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^
Novell is at least
demoing windows apps
running under UNIXWare.
^ ^
Try MKS. MKS &
others, esp.
EMX
Note here: the MKS toolkit (for DOS/Windows & OS/2) gives you a good
suite of standard UNIX utilities. There are other similar systems from
other vendors as well. The EMX system for OS/2 gives you most of the
standard UNIX system calls for recompiling your UNIX programs under
OS/2. Not quite the same thing as actually running UNIX programs
directly in either case, but EMX makes OS/2 almost as compatible with
UNIX systems as many UNIX systems are with each other. And, best of
all, EMX is free. :-)
There is a similar system (GO32) for DOS, but it doesn't work with
Windows, as far as I know.
Should add in the cost for DOS with both Geos and Windows, neither of
which is a standalone OS at this point. Neither OS/2 nor UNIX requires
DOS.
BTW, two of the best unices I've seen for the pee cee are UNIXWare ($300
for the personal edition) and LINUX (free). So I don't agree that "a
good one costs $400-$700." :-)
And, if you really want to check out the various options available to
you, you should also look into DESQview and DESQview/X.
cheers | 18 | trimmed_train |
976 | As a minor point of interest, earlier news reports claim to have
been quoting the Governor of Texas when Her Holiness referred to
the Dividians as _Mormons_ and called for their expulsion
from TX. Any Texans have details?
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8,282 | By the way, what do people think about the Opel CAlibra?
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6,367 |
Ok. I have a record that shows a IIsi with and without a 64KB cache.
It's small enough that I will attach it.
I have also measured some real programs with and without the 64 KB
cache. The speedup varies a lot from app to app, ranging from 0% to
40%. I think an average of 20%-25% is about right. The subjective
difference is not great, but is sometimes noticable. A simple cache
card certainly does not transform a IIsi into something enormously
better. I do not have an FPU.
The conventional wisdom says that cache cards from all of the makers
offer about the same speedup and that there is not much difference
between 32K and 64K caches. I bought mine from Third Wave for well
under $150. I have had absolutely no problems at all with it.
If you get *complete* speedometer runs for a 32K cache, I'd like to
see them. Let's check the conventional wisdom! The so called
"Performance Rating" numbers by themselves are of no interest.
Cheers.
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10,793 |
Could be. There is a Jayson Stark that writes weekly for some press syndicate
and also for Baseball America.
Stark has done this sort of thing, but he has never been serious about it.
He usually states that this sort of projection is useless at the top of
such columns. I think he did it one season and some manager was "projected"
to be thrown out of 60 games and some hitter could expect to be plunked
150 times.
Stark does some really funny stuff. His weekly baseball reviews are good
collections of strange things that happened during the previous week. He
also regularly prints Kinerisms. | 2 | trimmed_train |
3,169 | I want to get rid of alot of comics that I have. I am selling for 30% off
the Overstreet Price Guide.
COMIC CONDITION
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9,212 | AAAHHHH!!!!! Please someone tell me what I have done!!!
My 40 Meg miniscribe (8450AT) has a big sticker on the side that says
***DO NOT ROTATE INTERRUPTER** ---> (big knob here)
A big knob sticking off the side of the drive is pretty hard NOT to turn
when removing the drive!
I turned it. Now the drive won't spin up! Even with no data or controller
cables plugged in.. just power... it won't spin up!!
Please help!
Thanks
--
-Paul Carroll | 3 | trimmed_train |
10,242 |
I like Alomar. But I'd like to differ with your opinion about "a city
which is likely to pour in the votes...".
I attended many games last year during the balloting. I know that a
great number of the attendees DID NOT fill out their ballots, but left
them, beer soaked and torn on the floor of the stands. Toronto gets
no more and no less votes than any other city for the All Star game.
Unfortunately, this is not a one time thing. I've attended games
during the last four seasons, and it has happened every time. The
apathetic attitude to All Star ballots really offends me. | 2 | trimmed_train |
527 |
While others here may have had better experiences, I, too, share the
sentiments posted above. Though I have the original Stealth/VRAM,
it is only "relatively" recent that the Windows drivers for this card
have evolved to a point of decent performance. Note that there are
STILL a couple of modes I cannot use (ie. will not) due to shadowing,
mis-drawn check boxes, etc. I believe the version I have is 2.01.
If there's a more recent release, I'd appreciate if someone would
drop me a note to let me know -- I haven't been able to get on their
BBS lately to check again. Naturally, Diamond doesn't even bother
notifying me of fixes/releases.
Diamond was helpful when I finally reached the "right" person in curing
some of my Windows' problems due to an address conflict. The conflicting
addresses (2E0, 2E8) were OMITTED in at least my version of the
Diamond/VRAM manual. I hope it has been corrected by now. The tech rep
explained that ALL S3-based boards use these addresses. I have not
confirmed the validity of that statement.
When I upgrade my motherboard in the near future (hopefully with some
form of local bus), I'll seek a video solution from someone other than
Diamond.
Lance Hartmann (lance%[email protected])
Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address. | 3 | trimmed_train |
7,528 | So far Simmons looks like a total idiot.
1) Zane Smith should learn how to "switchpitch" and return from the DL. I
would rather have Zane Smith pitch right handed than have Moeller pitch at all.
2) I am sure Simmons was ready to say I told you so after Otto had an
impressive win last week. NOw Otto's latest debacle has restored Simmon's
reputation. Now he looks like he is back in his '92 form when he had the
AL's highest ERA among starters. Four our sake(not Ted's sake), I hope he
pitches with a 3.5 ERA for the rest of the season. Yeah, right.
3) Tomlin and Merced are a bit disappointing. They are still doing decently.
BUt considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have
shown their first seasons, they seem to have actually gotten a little
bit worse. Tomlin was almost unhittable his rookie year against lefty batters.
Merced had a very good OBA his rookie year. He showed a lot of concentration at
the plate in his rookie year.
4) Walk: Well, he seems to be on the losing end tonight. BUt I still think that
Walk desrved his contract.
5) Leyland should accept a part of the blame for the LaValliere situation. I
can't understand his and management's fear of losing Tom Prince through
waivers. Even if they do, what's the use. He is aright hander like Slaught.
Not a very smart platoon. Also, I am blaming Leyland in this case, since he is hcurrently convinced that LaVAlliere is through, while giving him
way too much time last year in the regular season AND the playoffs(SLaught
should have played in all 7 games; he has a good average against right handed
pitching). Didn't Leyland and Simmons forsee this last year, and attempt to
trade LaValliere last year itself? Any fool could tell them LaVAlliere
wasn't very fit last year.
6) Dennis MOeller is SCARY!!!
7) Candeleria: Well, he is not going to have such a high ERA at the end of the
season. Maybe it will be in 3-4 range. BUt $1 million plus? Come on. Other
than the customary home run giving stage Patterson goes through for a few weeks,
Patterson has served the PIrates very well each year. So far, he seems to have
pitched well for the Rangers. I think the PIrates should have spent the money
on Patterson in stead.
8) The Rookie batters: Well, Young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact. Other than that, their excellent performance hasn't been too much of a surprise. I think we should thank Doughty for that.
9) Rookie Pitchers: Worse than expected, especially Cooke.
10) Slaught: How come he wasn't given a contract extension last year? NOw his
value has increased immensely.
11) Lonnie Smith!! Well, Eric Davis was signed for a comparable amount.
Let's see. Eric can hit better. He can run better. He can field better.
Now why didnt the PIrates go after Eric Davis. An injured Davis is better
than a healthy Lonnie Smith. Even if Lonnnie Smith gets some big hits this year,he won't be an asset. He has looked terrible on the bases and in the field.
12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement
in favor of revenue sharing. He seems more concerned about pleasing that
idiot Danforth by preparing the team for a move to Tampa Bay.
13) Alex Cole fiasco. The PIrates infield and CF positions look good. The
RF and LF would have looked good if we could have gotten Cole to replace
two of the four outfielders. Eric Davis, Van Slyke and Cole would have made a
very respectable outfield. Even without Eric Davis, thye PIrates would have
a respectable outfield with Cole, SVan Slyke, and Merced(I think he should hit
left handed against lefts in stead of switch hitting). Simmons did have options
for the outfield. Ironically, the biggest accomplishment of Simmon's tenure was
getting Alex Cole really cheap. Too bad.
14) Compensatory draft picks for Bonds: Forget it. The pirates can rant and rave.
they will not get those picks. As of now, the issue is still being appealed.
Now, if this doesnt convince anyone that Simmons and Sauer are idiots,
nothing else will.
On a final note. Tim Wakefield won't be as awful as he was in his last 2
starts. BUt don't count on him pitching like last year for the rest of
the season. Also, if the Pirates are in contention towards rthe end of the
season, they will miss Redus's clutch hitting and his speed(he has peaked
in the second half of the last 2 seasons)>
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2,884 |
Do you have any statistical evidence to back you claim that requires another
limitation of the citizenry freedom?
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Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000
NASA Lewis Research Center |
Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: [email protected] | 9 | trimmed_train |
4,901 |
We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these.
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2,121 |
IMHO this whole discussion named "Motif looks like MS-Windogs" is totally
stupid. The only thing remotely influenced here can be the Motif Window
Manager, that features an arrangement of buttons and menus somewhat
similiar to this of the MS-W windowmanaging agent, however its name is.
But MWM is only a SMALL part of Motif, in fact, MWM and Motif can work
without each other, and if one doesn't like MWMs outfit for some reason,
he switches to another windowmanager. All this doesn't influence Motif,
which is a toolkit of widgets to write applications, and this toolkit
is IMHO uncomparable to MS-W, because it is much more wellorganized and
features alot of goodies more than the MS-W interface.
You cannot say "A Porsche looks like a VW Käfer" ONLY because they have the
wheel and the gear at the same position. Motif and MS-W are complete
different worlds, only one element of the Motif world has some gear and wheel
at the same position as MS-W.
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10,143 | <
< > I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in
< >the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more?
<
< Which is to say: is the NSA -totally- perfidious, or does it at least
<have the redeeming virtue of taking care of its own? <g>
Of course they take care of their own ... very well ... until the person
has 'outlived his/her/undefined usefulness'... then 'elimination' becomes
a consideration... :-)
| 7 | trimmed_train |
10,954 | Just a thought........Maybe it possibly has to do with the fact that it
IS an Emerson. I've got an Emerson VCR which is #6 in the series. Returned
it six times for various and never the same problems. Got tired of taking it
back and fixed it myself. The Hi-Fi "window" was a bit off. Something like
the Hi-Fi audio fine-tuning. When I was a Wal-Mart "associate" in '88-'89,
we had AT LEAST one returned as defective EVERY SINGLE DAY. How's that for
reliability? Face it--Emerson can make audio stuff (albeit not of premium
quality), but they CAN'T make anything as complex as video equipment with
reliability IMHO. Please, no flames. Just *had* to share my Emerson disaster
in the light of this exploding tv.
JC
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10,002 | I am in charge of purchasing some computer software for a small office and I
have a few question about Microsoft's Office Pack.
1) I was wondering, are the programs that are packaged with the Office
Pack--WinWord, Power Point, Excel, and ccMail--complete and the latest
addition?
2) Are the programs "hobbled" in any way?
3) Can we update single programs at a latter date ( i.e. from Excel 4.0 to
Excel 5) ?
4) Do you receive all of the necessary disks and documentation?
5) Is there anything that I should be aware of that makes the Office Package
less of deal that it seems?
Sorry if I seem skeptical put the price for the Office Package--$439.39 on the
street--sounds like a great deal for the office that is purchasing its first
computer and software. But all four complete programs for less than $450
makes me just a little suspicious. Maybe its just me.
Thanks for your help in advance
Kirt Wilson
Northwestern University
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10,756 | I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea
scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance. | 0 | trimmed_train |
2,138 | It depends on what you'd like your joystick for. I've seen Gravis
joysticks at Radio Shack. They seemed flimsy and didn't fit well in my
hand. I have heard on c.s.i.p.games that they don't last well (less than
a year) on flightsims. One redeeming feature does seem to be the ability
to adjust the tension of the stick.
I recently purchased a CH Flightstick. There aren't any suction cups and
no tension adjusters but otherwise it seems to be an excellent joystick.
I'm currently using it for the Wing Commander series and Red Baron. Works
quite well. The large base does not require a steadying hand and so
leaves it free. The buttons provide good tactile response (you can hear
and feel them well). There are other models made by CH that can go up or
down in features.
For price comparison Gravis analogue joysticks sell for ~$35.00 here
compared to the $45.00 I paid for a CH Flightstick. I think the extra
$10.00 is worth it just in feel. Best thing to do is to ask a salesperson
to let you try them out or at least feel it before you buy.
Just another note, analogue joysticks are best for flightsims or something
that needs sensitive touch. If you're only playing games such as Castle
Wolfenstein or some other game that only uses digital input (ie. only up,
down, left, etc. instead of 'how much right') you might want to look into
a Gravis gamepad. They look like a Nintendo control pad but I don't know
much beyond that. | 3 | trimmed_train |
4,122 |
1: "90% of diseases" is not the same thing as "90% of patients".
In a world with one curable disease that strikes 100 people, and nine
incurable diseases which strikes one person each, medical science will cure
91% of the patients and report that 90% of diseases have no therapy.
2: A disease would be counted among the 90% untreatable if nothing better than
a placebo were known. Of course MDs are ethically bound to not knowingly
dispense placebos... | 19 | trimmed_train |
5,486 |
So which are you advocating?
That You know Nothing About American History,
Or that You Know Nothing About the Bible?
Is this a Restoration of the "Know Nothing" Party?
ciao
drieux
ps: what WAS the "Free Negro Sailor Act" about,
and what was the Supreme Court's Ruling On it... and
More Importantly, how does this Complicate the Mythology
that all blacks were slaves????
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6,668 | Here is a press release from the White House.
Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team
April 19; Q&A Following
To: National Desk
Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100
WASHINGTON, April 19 -- Following is a transcript
of remarks by President Clinton to the University of Maine "Black
Bears" NCAA Division I hockey champions:
The Rose Garden
9:58 A.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning ladies and gentlemen. It's
an honor for me to welcome the University of Maine Black Bears, the
winner of the NCAA Division I hockey national championship to the
Rose Garden and the White House. I understand from Senator Mitchell
that this is the first team from the University of Maine every to win
a national championship. And we're glad to have them here.
I'm inspired not only by how the team pulled together to
win the championship, but how the entire state pulled together to
cheer them onto victory.
Coming from a state that is also relatively small in
size, but also filled with pride and tradition and community, I can
understand how the people of Maine must feel about the Black Bears.
In our state people are still talking about the time we won the
Orange Bowl over the number one ranked football team, and that was
back in 1978. I'm sure that 15 years from now, the people of Maine
will as proud of this team as they are today.
You know, in my state football is a slightly more
popular sport than hockey. We don't have a lot of ice. (Laughter.)
But after spending three months getting banged around in this town, I
can understand a little more about hockey than I did before I came
here. Hockey is a tough game. It's a hard-hitting sport. It does
have one virtue though, there's a penalty for delay of game. I wish
we had that rule in the Senate. (Laughter.)
In government as in hockey, leadership is important. In
the United States Senate, our team has a great captain, the Majority
Leader and the senior Senator from Maine, George Mitchell; junior
Senator -- Cohen looks so young, I can't imagine. (Laughter.) I'm
actually bitter about Senator Cohen because he looks so much younger
than me.
On your hockey team, the captain Jim Montgomery has done
a great job. He scored the winning goal late in the championship
game, leading you to a come-from-behind victory -- something else I
know a little bit about.
Sport brings out the best in individuals and in teams
and in communities. I share the pride that Senator Mitchell and
Senator Cohen and Congressman Andrews and all the people of Maine
must feel for the Black Bears who have shown us all how to play as a
team, how to bring out the best in one another, and how to come from
behind.
I think it's important, as I ask young people from
around America who have achieved outstanding things in working
together, to come here to the White House to be recognized and
appreciated by their country, to remember that those kinds of values
and those kinds of virtues need to be ingrained in all of us for all
of our lives.
We now have another role model, and I'm glad to have
them here today. (Applause.)
(The President is presented with team jersey.)
(Applause.)
THE PRESIDENT: That's great. I love it. It's beautiful.
(Applause.)
(The President is presented with an autographed stick.)
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. That's great. (Applause.)
* * * * * *
Q Mr. President, did you authorize the move on Waco
this morning, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: I was aware of it. I think the Attorney
General made the decision. And I think I should refer all questions
to her and to the FBI.
Q Did you have any instructions for her as to how it
should be executed?
THE PRESIDENT: No, they made the tactical decisions.
That was their judgment, the FBI.
Q Is this a raid?
THE PRESIDENT: And I will -- I want to refer you to --
talk to the Attorney General and the FBI. I knew it was going to be
done, but the decisions were entirely theirs, all the tactical
decisions.
Q What did you and Senator Mitchell talk about this
morning?
Q Any chance for that stimulus package?
THE PRESIDENT: Senator Mitchell ought to pay my
quarter. (Laughter.) I was in there -- (laughter).
SENATOR MITCHELL: You have to pay that quarter.
THE PRESIDENT: I was ready. (Laughter.) Senator
Mitchell, he's worth a quarter any day.
Q Any chance for your bill, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: We talked about what was going to happen
this week in the Senate and about what other meetings we're going to
have for the rest of the week. We only had about five minutes to
talk. And we agreed we'd get back together later, around noon, and
talk some more.
Q Senator Dole said over the weekend that your
compromise is no compromise.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I know he did, but, look, Senator
Dole and a lot of the other Republicans now in the Senate voted for
the same kind of thing for Ronald Reagan in 1983; and our research
indicates that a majority of them over time voted for a total of 28
emergency spending measures totalling over $100 billion when Reagan
and Bush were President, in those administrations. And many of those
purposes were not nearly as worthy as putting the American people
back to work. I don't want to go back and revisit every one, but you
can do it. You can look at the research there. So this position
they're taking is not credible. We have a very tough five-year
deficit reduction plan. All these costs are covered during that time
and then some. And the very people that are saying this has all got
to be paid for don't have much of a history on which to base their
position. They've got 12 years of vote for stimulus measures of this
kind that had very little to with putting the American people back to
work. So I think we've got a chance to work it out, and I'm hopeful.
We'll see what happens today and tomorrow. I'm feeling pretty good
about it.
THE PRESS: Thank you
END 10:10 A.M. EDT
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1,607 |
My favorite was the Barry Foote homer that bounced on Waveland and through
a second floor window across the street. Second though, would be the Kong
drive that was last seen bouncing down the street that dead ends to the
park at Waveland. | 2 | trimmed_train |
3,842 |
That isn't enough to change your Windows startup logo. vgalogo.rle is not
needed after you have installed Windows. It is incorporated as a part of
win.com.
To make a new win.com, you have to concatinate three files together,
using the /b option for a binary concatonation. I beleive it is
copy /b win.cnf+vgalogo.lgo+vgalogo.rle mywin.com
Make sure you backup your win.com file in anotehr directory before you do this
-- I absent-mindedly typed win.com instead of mywin.com and had to resinstall
Windows!
Anyway, substitute whatever .RLE file you want. The win.cnf has the
info needed to start Windows (think of it as a bootstrap) and vgalogo.vga has
video information. Just make sure that the .RLE file doesn't tip the whole
COM file size over the 64k limit of a .COM file!
So anyway, I use mywin.com to startup MS Windows. Now instead of that
annoying Micro$oft advertisment, I have the Joker (yes, from Batman) taking
yoru picture from the screen, saying "Smile!" Also a little bit of text:
"Micro$oft Windows: The world's first commercially sucessful virus." I added
that because of the frequency of crashes. <grin>
Rob | 18 | trimmed_train |
1,494 | Archive-name: rec-autos/part3
The Automotive Articles Archive Server:
the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted,
and is presently not available. | 4 | trimmed_train |
608 | Yes,
Take Interstate I-70 to the route 48 exit. Go south on 48 about
2-1/2 miles. Trun right on Shiloh Springs Road. The hamvention is
at the Harrah arena, which is about 1 mile west and on the north
side of the Road. Parking at the arena is limited. Lodging is
probably entirely booked-up within a 40 mile radius. Good luck.
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48 I75
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X | |
(mall) --------| |
S. Springs |
It is possible to park at the mall to the west. There are shuttle
busses running between the arena and the mall.
If possible, get a Montgomery County, OH map from your local AAA
office. It should be free if you are an AAA member.
If you don't already have definite plans, now is not a particularly
good time to start to think about going to the hamvention.
| 11 | trimmed_train |
4,909 | To get hierarchical icon groups in MS-Windows use Norton Desktop for Windows.
MS Windows in not mature. It's lousy. But its supposed to be lousy. It's
goal is to be ubiquitous not good. MS-Windows is the
course for the masses in IT Infrastructure 102. (DOS = 102, CP/M = 101.)
Unix was the course for the cogniscenti in IT Infrastructure 101. Together
they prove that there is good effect of good IT, and there is good effect
of ubiquitous IT. What we need, now is both at a significiantly higher
level of function. POSIX + DCE + CORBA + ????? ? See the problem?
NT may be IT Infrastructure 103, but it will also be IT Monopoly 102. (101
was IBM.)
We have a conundrum, gentlepeople. What are we going to do about it?
dubious-
lee
-- | 18 | trimmed_train |
3,119 | On sunsite.unc.edu in pub/multimedia/utilities/unix find
mpeg_play-2.0.tar.Z.
I find for mono it works best as mpeg_play -dither threshold
though you can use mpeg_play -dither mono
Face it, this is not be the best viewing situation.
Also someone has made a patch for mpeg_play that gives two more mono
modes (mono2 and halftone).
They are by [email protected] (Jan Newmarch).
And the patch can be found on csc.canberra.edu.au (137.92.1.1) under
/pub/motif/mpeg2.0.mono.patch.
| 1 | trimmed_train |
2,325 |
I totally agree. Really, the only people this is going to benefit, are
those who live in the cities where the train stops. Who wants to drive
to the train station from X (Lubbock for example)? It's probably farther
to drive to the train station than it is to the nearest national airport. | 13 | trimmed_train |
6,231 | out-
have
air,
hahaha ... my sentiments exactly.
| 4 | trimmed_train |
11,034 |
How 'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81?
I might just break out the scope for this one.
____________________________________________________
"No sir, I don't like it! "-- Mr. Horse
Dan Kelo [email protected]
____________________________________________________
| 10 | trimmed_train |
10,593 | 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS
home team in CAPS *=if necesary
=============================================
FIRST ROUND
Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins
Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4
Gm 3: 4/16 Providence at Springfield
CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings
Gm 1: Last night, CDI at Adirondack
Gm 2: 4/17 CDI at Adirondack
Gm 3: 4/18 Adirondack at CDI
Gm 4: 4/21 Adirondack at CDI
Gm 5: 4/23 CDI at Adirondack *
Gm 6: 4/24 Adirondack at CDI *
Gm 7: 4/26 CDI at Adirondack *
Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers
Gm 1: 4/16 Baltimore at Binghamton
Gm 2: 4/17 Baltimore at Binghamton
Gm 3: 4/23 Binghamton at Baltimore
Gm 4: 4/24 Binghamton at Baltimore
Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton *
Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore *
Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton *
Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans
Gm 1: 4/16 Utica at Rochester
Gm 2: 4/17 Utica at Rochester
Gm 3: 4/20 Rochester at Utica
Gm 4: 4/22 Rochester at Utica
Gm 5: 4/24 Utica at Rochester *
Gm 6: 4/26 Rochester at Utica *
Gm 7: 4/28 Utica at Rochester *
Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs
Gm 1: St John's 4 Moncton 2
Gm 2: 4/17 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax
Gm 3: 4/21 St John's at Moncton
Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens
Gm 1: Fredericton 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT)
Gm 2: 4/16 Cape Breton at Fredericton
Unfortunately the newspaper didnt list complete playoff skeds for
series that already began. Also, the paper has not listed final
standings so their posting might be delayed until early next
week (Hockey News). | 17 | trimmed_train |
3,348 |
Probably because most of them come packaged with some absurd theory
behind them. E.G. homoeopathy: like cures like. The more you dilute
things, the more powerful they get, even if you dilute them so much
there is no ingredient but water left. Chiropractic: all illness
stems from compressions of nerves by misaligned vertebrae. Such
systems are so patently absurd, that any good they do is accidental
and not related to the theory. The only exception is probably herbalism,
because scientists recognize the potent drugs that derive from plants
and are always interested in seeing if they can find new plants
that have active and useful substances. But that isn't what
is meant by alternative medicine, usually. If you get into the Qi,
accupuntunce charts, etc, you are now back to silly theories that
probably have nothing to do with why accupuncture works in some cases.
Perhaps another reason they are reluctant is the Rhine experience.
Rhine was a scientist who wanted to investigate the paranormal
and his lab was filled with so much chacanery and fakery that
people don't want to be associated with that sort of thing.
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Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
[email protected] | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." | 19 | trimmed_train |
10,026 | If one is a vegan (a vegetarian taht eats no animal products at at i.e eggs,
milk, cheese, etc., after about 3 years of a vegan diet, you need to start
taking B12 supplements because b12 is found only in animals.) Acutally our
bodies make B12, I think, but our bodies use up our own B12 after 2 or 3
years.
Lacto-oveo vegetarians, like myself, still get B12 through milk products
and eggs, so we don't need supplements.
And If anyone knows more, PLEASE post it. I'm nearly contridicting myself
with the mish-mash of knowledge I've gleaned. | 8 | trimmed_train |
7,822 |
in this regard that permission to export >>> PKZIP's encryption scheme
has twice been denied by NSA. Draw you own >>> conclusions.
PKWare >>has obtained a license to export their program to the whole
world, >>except a very limited list of countries... Draw your own
conclusions >>about the strength of the algorithm... :-)
Sorry if I was less than clear. :-) I was referring to our own efforts
to receive export permission from NSA for the PKZIP encryption
algorithm, not to any effort on the part of Phil Katz or PKWare.
I should point out that the original version of this algorithm was
designed by Roger Schlafly and that WE (meaning Roger and myself) were
twice denied an export license for it. The second go 'round was just
this past fall.
I had no knowledge of Phil's attempts in this. I do not even *know* for
sure if he choose to implement the algorithm as it was designed by
Roger, though I *believe* that was at least the case for versions prior
to 2.0. And then there's the question of key management. :-)
And even if our applications were identical, there is no reason to
assume the NSA would treat them that way. :-)
-mjm
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An Introduction to Atheism
by mathew <[email protected]>
This article attempts to provide a general introduction to atheism. Whilst I
have tried to be as neutral as possible regarding contentious issues, you
should always remember that this document represents only one viewpoint. I
would encourage you to read widely and draw your own conclusions; some
relevant books are listed in a companion article.
To provide a sense of cohesion and progression, I have presented this article
as an imaginary conversation between an atheist and a theist. All the
questions asked by the imaginary theist are questions which have been cropped
up repeatedly on alt.atheism since the newsgroup was created. Some other
frequently asked questions are answered in a companion article.
Please note that this article is arguably slanted towards answering questions
posed from a Christian viewpoint. This is because the FAQ files reflect
questions which have actually been asked, and it is predominantly Christians
who proselytize on alt.atheism.
So when I talk of religion, I am talking primarily about religions such as
Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which involve some sort of superhuman divine
being. Much of the discussion will apply to other religions, but some of it
may not.
"What is atheism?"
Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God.
Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist. The former is
often referred to as the "weak atheist" position, and the latter as "strong
atheism".
It is important to note the difference between these two positions. "Weak
atheism" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. "Strong
atheism" is a positive belief that God does not exist. Please do not
fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are "strong atheists".
Some atheists believe in the non-existence of all Gods; others limit their
atheism to specific Gods, such as the Christian God, rather than making
flat-out denials.
"But isn't disbelieving in God the same thing as believing he doesn't exist?"
Definitely not. Disbelief in a proposition means that one does not believe
it to be true. Not believing that something is true is not equivalent to
believing that it is false; one may simply have no idea whether it is true or
not. Which brings us to agnosticism.
"What is agnosticism then?"
The term 'agnosticism' was coined by Professor Huxley at a meeting of the
Metaphysical Society in 1876. He defined an agnostic as someone who
disclaimed ("strong") atheism and believed that the ultimate origin of things
must be some cause unknown and unknowable.
Thus an agnostic is someone who believes that we do not and cannot know for
sure whether God exists.
Words are slippery things, and language is inexact. Beware of assuming that
you can work out someone's philosophical point of view simply from the fact
that she calls herself an atheist or an agnostic. For example, many people
use agnosticism to mean "weak atheism", and use the word "atheism" only when
referring to "strong atheism".
Beware also that because the word "atheist" has so many shades of meaning, it
is very difficult to generalize about atheists. About all you can say for
sure is that atheists don't believe in God. For example, it certainly isn't
the case that all atheists believe that science is the best way to find out
about the universe.
"So what is the philosophical justification or basis for atheism?"
There are many philosophical justifications for atheism. To find out why a
particular person chooses to be an atheist, it's best to ask her.
Many atheists feel that the idea of God as presented by the major religions
is essentially self-contradictory, and that it is logically impossible that
such a God could exist. Others are atheists through scepticism, because they
see no evidence that God exists.
"But isn't it impossible to prove the non-existence of something?"
There are many counter-examples to such a statement. For example, it is
quite simple to prove that there does not exist a prime number larger than
all other prime numbers. Of course, this deals with well-defined objects
obeying well-defined rules. Whether Gods or universes are similarly
well-defined is a matter for debate.
However, assuming for the moment that the existence of a God is not provably
impossible, there are still subtle reasons for assuming the non-existence of
God. If we assume that something does not exist, it is always possible to
show that this assumption is invalid by finding a single counter-example.
If on the other hand we assume that something does exist, and if the thing in
question is not provably impossible, showing that the assumption is invalid
may require an exhaustive search of all possible places where such a thing
might be found, to show that it isn't there. Such an exhaustive search is
often impractical or impossible. There is no such problem with largest
primes, because we can prove that they don't exist.
Therefore it is generally accepted that we must assume things do not exist
unless we have evidence that they do. Even theists follow this rule most of
the time; they don't believe in unicorns, even though they can't conclusively
prove that no unicorns exist anywhere.
To assume that God exists is to make an assumption which probably cannot be
tested. We cannot make an exhaustive search of everywhere God might be to
prove that he doesn't exist anywhere. So the sceptical atheist assumes by
default that God does not exist, since that is an assumption we can test.
Those who profess strong atheism usually do not claim that no sort of God
exists; instead, they generally restrict their claims so as to cover
varieties of God described by followers of various religions. So whilst it
may be impossible to prove conclusively that no God exists, it may be
possible to prove that (say) a God as described by a particular religious
book does not exist. It may even be possible to prove that no God described
by any present-day religion exists.
In practice, believing that no God described by any religion exists is very
close to believing that no God exists. However, it is sufficiently different
that counter-arguments based on the impossibility of disproving every kind of
God are not really applicable.
"But what if God is essentially non-detectable?"
If God interacts with our universe in any way, the effects of his interaction
must be measurable. Hence his interaction with our universe must be
detectable.
If God is essentially non-detectable, it must therefore be the case that he
does not interact with our universe in any way. Many atheists would argue
that if God does not interact with our universe at all, it is of no
importance whether he exists or not.
If the Bible is to be believed, God was easily detectable by the Israelites.
Surely he should still be detectable today?
Note that I am not demanding that God interact in a scientifically
verifiable, physical way. It must surely be possible to perceive some
effect caused by his presence, though; otherwise, how can I distinguish him
from all the other things that don't exist?
"OK, you may think there's a philosophical justification for atheism, but
isn't it still a religious belief?"
One of the most common pastimes in philosophical discussion is "the
redefinition game". The cynical view of this game is as follows:
Person A begins by making a contentious statement. When person B points out
that it can't be true, person A gradually re-defines the words he used in the
statement until he arrives at something person B is prepared to accept. He
then records the statement, along with the fact that person B has agreed to
it, and continues. Eventually A uses the statement as an "agreed fact", but
uses his original definitions of all the words in it rather than the obscure
redefinitions originally needed to get B to agree to it. Rather than be seen
to be apparently inconsistent, B will tend to play along.
The point of this digression is that the answer to the question "Isn't
atheism a religious belief?" depends crucially upon what is meant by
"religious". "Religion" is generally characterized by belief in a superhuman
controlling power -- especially in some sort of God -- and by faith and
worship.
[ It's worth pointing out in passing that some varieties of Buddhism are not
"religion" according to such a definition. ]
Atheism is certainly not a belief in any sort of superhuman power, nor is it
categorized by worship in any meaningful sense. Widening the definition of
"religious" to encompass atheism tends to result in many other aspects of
human behaviour suddenly becoming classed as "religious" as well -- such as
science, politics, and watching TV.
"OK, so it's not a religion. But surely belief in atheism (or science) is
still just an act of faith, like religion is?"
Firstly, it's not entirely clear that sceptical atheism is something one
actually believes in.
Secondly, it is necessary to adopt a number of core beliefs or assumptions to
make some sort of sense out of the sensory data we experience. Most atheists
try to adopt as few core beliefs as possible; and even those are subject to
questioning if experience throws them into doubt.
Science has a number of core assumptions. For example, it is generally
assumed that the laws of physics are the same for all observers. These are
the sort of core assumptions atheists make. If such basic ideas are called
"acts of faith", then almost everything we know must be said to be based on
acts of faith, and the term loses its meaning.
Faith is more often used to refer to complete, certain belief in something.
According to such a definition, atheism and science are certainly not acts of
faith. Of course, individual atheists or scientists can be as dogmatic as
religious followers when claiming that something is "certain". This is not a
general tendency, however; there are many atheists who would be reluctant to
state with certainty that the universe exists.
Faith is also used to refer to belief without supporting evidence or proof.
Sceptical atheism certainly doesn't fit that definition, as sceptical atheism
has no beliefs. Strong atheism is closer, but still doesn't really match, as
even the most dogmatic atheist will tend to refer to experimental data (or
the lack of it) when asserting that God does not exist.
"If atheism is not religious, surely it's anti-religious?"
It is an unfortunate human tendency to label everyone as either "for" or
"against", "friend" or "enemy". The truth is not so clear-cut.
Atheism is the position that runs logically counter to theism; in that sense,
it can be said to be "anti-religion". However, when religious believers
speak of atheists being "anti-religious" they usually mean that the atheists
have some sort of antipathy or hatred towards theists.
This categorization of atheists as hostile towards religion is quite unfair.
Atheist attitudes towards theists in fact cover a broad spectrum.
Most atheists take a "live and let live" attitude. Unless questioned, they
will not usually mention their atheism, except perhaps to close friends. Of
course, this may be in part because atheism is not "socially acceptable" in
many countries.
A few atheists are quite anti-religious, and may even try to "convert" others
when possible. Historically, such anti-religious atheists have made little
impact on society outside the Eastern Bloc countries.
(To digress slightly: the Soviet Union was originally dedicated to separation
of church and state, just like the USA. Soviet citizens were legally free to
worship as they wished. The institution of "state atheism" came about when
Stalin took control of the Soviet Union and tried to destroy the churches in
order to gain complete power over the population.)
Some atheists are quite vocal about their beliefs, but only where they see
religion encroaching on matters which are not its business -- for example,
the government of the USA. Such individuals are usually concerned that
church and state should remain separate.
"But if you don't allow religion to have a say in the running of the state,
surely that's the same as state atheism?"
The principle of the separation of church and state is that the state shall
not legislate concerning matters of religious belief. In particular, it
means not only that the state cannot promote one religion at the expense of
another, but also that it cannot promote any belief which is religious in
nature.
Religions can still have a say in discussion of purely secular matters. For
example, religious believers have historically been responsible for
encouraging many political reforms. Even today, many organizations
campaigning for an increase in spending on foreign aid are founded as
religious campaigns. So long as they campaign concerning secular matters,
and so long as they do not discriminate on religious grounds, most atheists
are quite happy to see them have their say.
"What about prayer in schools? If there's no God, why do you care if people
pray?"
Because people who do pray are voters and lawmakers, and tend to do things
that those who don't pray can't just ignore. Also, Christian prayer in
schools is intimidating to non-Christians, even if they are told that they
need not join in. The diversity of religious and non-religious belief means
that it is impossible to formulate a meaningful prayer that will be
acceptable to all those present at any public event.
Also, non-prayers tend to have friends and family who pray. It is reasonable
to care about friends and family wasting their time, even without other
motives.
"You mentioned Christians who campaign for increased foreign aid. What about
atheists? Why aren't there any atheist charities or hospitals? Don't
atheists object to the religious charities?"
There are many charities without religious purpose that atheists can
contribute to. Some atheists contribute to religious charities as well, for
the sake of the practical good they do. Some atheists even do voluntary work
for charities founded on a theistic basis.
Most atheists seem to feel that atheism isn't worth shouting about in
connection with charity. To them, atheism is just a simple, obvious everyday
matter, and so is charity. Many feel that it's somewhat cheap, not to say
self-righteous, to use simple charity as an excuse to plug a particular set
of religious beliefs.
To "weak" atheists, building a hospital to say "I do not believe in God" is a
rather strange idea; it's rather like holding a party to say "Today is not my
birthday". Why the fuss? Atheism is rarely evangelical.
"You said atheism isn't anti-religious. But is it perhaps a backlash against
one's upbringing, a way of rebelling?"
Perhaps it is, for some. But many people have parents who do not attempt to
force any religious (or atheist) ideas upon them, and many of those people
choose to call themselves atheists.
It's also doubtless the case that some religious people chose religion as a
backlash against an atheist upbringing, as a way of being different. On the
other hand, many people choose religion as a way of conforming to the
expectations of others.
On the whole, we can't conclude much about whether atheism or religion are
backlash or conformism; although in general, people have a tendency to go
along with a group rather than act or think independently.
"How do atheists differ from religious people?"
They don't believe in God. That's all there is to it.
Atheists may listen to heavy metal -- backwards, even -- or they may prefer a
Verdi Requiem, even if they know the words. They may wear Hawaiian shirts,
they may dress all in black, they may even wear orange robes. (Many
Buddhists lack a belief in any sort of God.) Some atheists even carry a copy
of the Bible around -- for arguing against, of course!
Whoever you are, the chances are you have met several atheists without
realising it. Atheists are usually unexceptional in behaviour and
appearance.
"Unexceptional? But aren't atheists less moral than religious people?"
That depends. If you define morality as obedience to God, then of course
atheists are less moral as they don't obey any God. But usually when one
talks of morality, one talks of what is acceptable ("right") and unacceptable
("wrong") behaviour within society.
Humans are social animals, and to be maximally successful they must
co-operate with each other. This is a good enough reason to discourage most
atheists from "anti-social" or "immoral" behaviour, purely for the purposes
of self-preservation.
Many atheists behave in a "moral" or "compassionate" way simply because they
feel a natural tendency to empathize with other humans. So why do they care
what happens to others? They don't know, they simply are that way.
Naturally, there are some people who behave "immorally" and try to use
atheism to justify their actions. However, there are equally many people who
behave "immorally" and then try to use religious beliefs to justify their
actions. For example:
"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Jesus Christ
came into the world to save sinners... But for that very reason, I was
shown mercy so that in me... Jesus Christ might display His unlimited
patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive
eternal life. Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God,
be honor and glory forever and ever."
The above quote is from a statement made to the court on February 17th 1992
by Jeffrey Dahmer, the notorious cannibal serial killer of Milwaukee,
Wisconsin. It seems that for every atheist mass-murderer, there is a
religious mass-murderer. But what of more trivial morality?
A survey conducted by the Roper Organization found that behavior
deteriorated after "born again" experiences. While only 4% of respondents
said they had driven intoxicated before being "born again," 12% had done
so after conversion. Similarly, 5% had used illegal drugs before
conversion, 9% after. Two percent admitted to engaging in illicit sex
before salvation; 5% after.
["Freethought Today", September 1991, p. 12.]
So it seems that at best, religion does not have a monopoly on moral
behaviour.
"Is there such a thing as atheist morality?"
If you mean "Is there such a thing as morality for atheists?", then the
answer is yes, as explained above. Many atheists have ideas about morality
which are at least as strong as those held by religious people.
If you mean "Does atheism have a characteristic moral code?", then the answer
is no. Atheism by itself does not imply anything much about how a person
will behave. Most atheists follow many of the same "moral rules" as theists,
but for different reasons. Atheists view morality as something created by
humans, according to the way humans feel the world 'ought' to work, rather
than seeing it as a set of rules decreed by a supernatural being.
"Then aren't atheists just theists who are denying God?"
A study by the Freedom From Religion Foundation found that over 90% of the
atheists who responded became atheists because religion did not work for
them. They had found that religious beliefs were fundamentally incompatible
with what they observed around them.
Atheists are not unbelievers through ignorance or denial; they are
unbelievers through choice. The vast majority of them have spent time
studying one or more religions, sometimes in very great depth. They have
made a careful and considered decision to reject religious beliefs.
This decision may, of course, be an inevitable consequence of that
individual's personality. For a naturally sceptical person, the choice
of atheism is often the only one that makes sense, and hence the only
choice that person can honestly make.
"But don't atheists want to believe in God?"
Atheists live their lives as though there is nobody watching over them. Many
of them have no desire to be watched over, no matter how good-natured the
"Big Brother" figure might be.
Some atheists would like to be able to believe in God -- but so what? Should
one believe things merely because one wants them to be true? The risks of
such an approach should be obvious. Atheists often decide that wanting to
believe something is not enough; there must be evidence for the belief.
"But of course atheists see no evidence for the existence of God -- they are
unwilling in their souls to see!"
Many, if not most atheists were previously religious. As has been explained
above, the vast majority have seriously considered the possibility that God
exists. Many atheists have spent time in prayer trying to reach God.
Of course, it is true that some atheists lack an open mind; but assuming that
all atheists are biased and insincere is offensive and closed-minded.
Comments such as "Of course God is there, you just aren't looking properly"
are likely to be viewed as patronizing.
Certainly, if you wish to engage in philosophical debate with atheists it is
vital that you give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are
being sincere if they say that they have searched for God. If you are not
willing to believe that they are basically telling the truth, debate is
futile.
"Isn't the whole of life completely pointless to an atheist?"
Many atheists live a purposeful life. They decide what they think gives
meaning to life, and they pursue those goals. They try to make their lives
count, not by wishing for eternal life, but by having an influence on other
people who will live on. For example, an atheist may dedicate his life to
political reform, in the hope of leaving his mark on history.
It is a natural human tendency to look for "meaning" or "purpose" in random
events. However, it is by no means obvious that "life" is the sort of thing
that has a "meaning".
To put it another way, not everything which looks like a question is actually
a sensible thing to ask. Some atheists believe that asking "What is the
meaning of life?" is as silly as asking "What is the meaning of a cup of
coffee?". They believe that life has no purpose or meaning, it just is.
"So how do atheists find comfort in time of danger?"
There are many ways of obtaining comfort; from family, friends, or even pets.
Or on a less spiritual level, from food or drink or TV.
That may sound rather an empty and vulnerable way to face danger, but so
what? Should individuals believe in things because they are comforting, or
should they face reality no matter how harsh it might be?
In the end, it's a decision for the individual concerned. Most atheists are
unable to believe something they would not otherwise believe merely because
it makes them feel comfortable. They put truth before comfort, and consider
that if searching for truth sometimes makes them feel unhappy, that's just
hard luck.
"Don't atheists worry that they might suddenly be shown to be wrong?"
The short answer is "No, do you?"
Many atheists have been atheists for years. They have encountered many
arguments and much supposed evidence for the existence of God, but they have
found all of it to be invalid or inconclusive.
Thousands of years of religious belief haven't resulted in any good proof of
the existence of God. Atheists therefore tend to feel that they are unlikely
to be proved wrong in the immediate future, and they stop worrying about it.
"So why should theists question their beliefs? Don't the same arguments
apply?"
No, because the beliefs being questioned are not similar. Weak atheism is
the sceptical "default position" to take; it asserts nothing. Strong atheism
is a negative belief. Theism is a very strong positive belief.
Atheists sometimes also argue that theists should question their beliefs
because of the very real harm they can cause -- not just to the believers,
but to everyone else.
"What sort of harm?"
Religion represents a huge financial and work burden on mankind. It's not
just a matter of religious believers wasting their money on church buildings;
think of all the time and effort spent building churches, praying, and so on.
Imagine how that effort could be better spent.
Many theists believe in miracle healing. There have been plenty of instances
of ill people being "healed" by a priest, ceasing to take the medicines
prescribed to them by doctors, and dying as a result. Some theists have died
because they have refused blood transfusions on religious grounds.
It is arguable that the Catholic Church's opposition to birth control -- and
condoms in particular -- is increasing the problem of overpopulation in many
third-world countries and contributing to the spread of AIDS world-wide.
Religious believers have been known to murder their children rather than
allow their children to become atheists or marry someone of a different
religion.
"Those weren't REAL believers. They just claimed to be believers as some
sort of excuse."
What makes a real believer? There are so many One True Religions it's hard
to tell. Look at Christianity: there are many competing groups, all
convinced that they are the only true Christians. Sometimes they even fight
and kill each other. How is an atheist supposed to decide who's a REAL
Christian and who isn't, when even the major Christian churches like the
Catholic Church and the Church of England can't decide amongst themselves?
In the end, most atheists take a pragmatic view, and decide that anyone who
calls himself a Christian, and uses Christian belief or dogma to justify his
actions, should be considered a Christian. Maybe some of those Christians
are just perverting Christian teaching for their own ends -- but surely if
the Bible can be so readily used to support un-Christian acts it can't be
much of a moral code? If the Bible is the word of God, why couldn't he have
made it less easy to misinterpret? And how do you know that your beliefs
aren't a perversion of what your God intended?
If there is no single unambiguous interpretation of the Bible, then why
should an atheist take one interpretation over another just on your say-so?
Sorry, but if someone claims that he believes in Jesus and that he murdered
others because Jesus and the Bible told him to do so, we must call him a
Christian.
"Obviously those extreme sorts of beliefs should be questioned. But since
nobody has ever proved that God does not exist, it must be very unlikely
that more basic religious beliefs, shared by all faiths, are nonsense."
That does not hold, because as was pointed out at the start of this dialogue,
positive assertions concerning the existence of entities are inherently much
harder to disprove than negative ones. Nobody has ever proved that unicorns
don't exist, but that doesn't make it unlikely that they are myths.
It is therefore much more valid to hold a negative assertion by default than
it is to hold a positive assertion by default. Of course, "weak" atheists
would argue that asserting nothing is better still.
"Well, if atheism's so great, why are there so many theists?"
Unfortunately, the popularity of a belief has little to do with how "correct"
it is, or whether it "works"; consider how many people believe in astrology,
graphology, and other pseudo-sciences.
Many atheists feel that it is simply a human weakness to want to believe in
gods. Certainly in many primitive human societies, religion allows the
people to deal with phenomena that they do not adequately understand.
Of course, there's more to religion than that. In the industrialized world,
we find people believing in religious explanations of phenomena even when
there are perfectly adequate natural explanations. Religion may have started
as a means of attempting to explain the world, but nowadays it serves other
purposes as well.
"But so many cultures have developed religions. Surely that must say
something?"
Not really. Most religions are only superficially similar; for example, it's
worth remembering that religions such as Buddhism and Taoism lack any sort of
concept of God in the Christian sense.
Of course, most religions are quick to denounce competing religions, so it's
rather odd to use one religion to try and justify another.
"What about all the famous scientists and philosophers who have concluded
that God exists?"
For every scientist or philosopher who believes in a god, there is one who
does not. Besides, as has already been pointed out, the truth of a belief is
not determined by how many people believe it. Also, it is important to
realize that atheists do not view famous scientists or philosophers in the
same way that theists view their religious leaders.
A famous scientist is only human; she may be an expert in some fields, but
when she talks about other matters her words carry no special weight. Many
respected scientists have made themselves look foolish by speaking on
subjects which lie outside their fields of expertise.
"So are you really saying that widespread belief in religion indicates
nothing?"
Not entirely. It certainly indicates that the religion in question has
properties which have helped it so spread so far.
The theory of memetics talks of "memes" -- sets of ideas which can propagate
themselves between human minds, by analogy with genes. Some atheists view
religions as sets of particularly successful parasitic memes, which spread by
encouraging their hosts to convert others. Some memes avoid destruction by
discouraging believers from questioning doctrine, or by using peer pressure
to keep one-time believers from admitting that they were mistaken. Some
religious memes even encourage their hosts to destroy hosts controlled by
other memes.
Of course, in the memetic view there is no particular virtue associated with
successful propagation of a meme. Religion is not a good thing because of
the number of people who believe it, any more than a disease is a good thing
because of the number of people who have caught it.
"Even if religion is not entirely true, at least it puts across important
messages. What are the fundamental messages of atheism?"
There are many important ideas atheists promote. The following are just a
few of them; don't be surprised to see ideas which are also present in some
religions.
There is more to moral behaviour than mindlessly following rules.
Be especially sceptical of positive claims.
If you want your life to have some sort of meaning, it's up to you to
find it.
Search for what is true, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Make the most of your life, as it's probably the only one you'll have.
It's no good relying on some external power to change you; you must change
yourself.
Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good.
If you must assume something, assume something it's easy to test.
Don't believe things just because you want them to be true.
and finally (and most importantly):
All beliefs should be open to question.
Thanks for taking the time to read this article.
mathew
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10,652 |
Koberg,
Just a couple of minor corrections here...
1) The Churches of Christ do not usually believe in speaking in
tongues, in fact many of them are known for being strongly opposed to
Pentecostal teaching. You are probably thinking of Church of God in
Christ, the largest African-American Pentecostal denomination.
2) I'm not sure what you mean by "signifying believers" but it
should be pointed out that the Assemblies of God does not now, nor has it
ever, held that speaking in tongues is the sign that one is a Christian.
The doctrine that traditional Pentecostals (including the A/G) maintain is
that speaking in tongues is the sign of a second experience after becoming
a Christian in which one is "Baptized in the Holy Spirit" That may be
what you were referring to, but I point this out because Pentecostals are
frequently labeled as believing that you have to speak in tongues in order
to be a Christian. Such a position is only held by some groups and not the
majority of Pentecostals. Many Pentecostals will quote the passage in
Mark 16 about "these signs following them that believe" but they generally
do not interpret this as meaning if you don't pactice the signs you aren't
"saved".
3) I know it's hard to summarize the beliefs of a movement that
has such diversity, but I think you've made some pretty big
generalizations here. Do "Neo-Pentecostals" only believe in tongues as a
sign and tongues as prayer but NOT tongues as revelatory with a message?
I've never heard of that before. In fact I would have characterized them
as believing the same as Pentecostals except less likely to see tongues as
a sign of Spirit Baptism. Also, while neo-Pentecostals may not be
inclined to speak in tongues in the non-Pentecostal churches they attend,
they do have their own meetings and, in many cases, a whole church will be
charismatic. | 0 | trimmed_train |
1,419 | Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.
I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.
Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS
slot. Is that true? | 14 | trimmed_train |
10,771 | There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit
(Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes),
and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I
found in a rental store once
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1,604 | 11 | trimmed_train |
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4,463 | I am trying to find out if my application is running on a local or a
remote display. A local display being connected to the same system
that the client is executing on. I have access to the display string
but can I tell from the string?
If the client is executing on host foo then ":0", "unix:0", "foo:0",
and "localhost:0" are all local. Under Ultrix, I believe that
"local:0" is also a valid display name (a shared memory connection
maybe?). Are there other strings that I should check for? Is there a
better way to detect this?
Thank you for any help you can give me. | 16 | trimmed_train |
9,042 | :In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
:> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Marciano
:>
:> [stuff deleted about causes of people in ER]
:>
:> >due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw
:> >cars.
:> There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some
:> regulation to try to combat this.
:
:Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems
:the driver's license process does not work for this.
:
I can testify to this. My cousin spent a few weeks in the hospital, and his
friend was killed, because of a drunk driver. The son-of-a-b**** is back on
the streets... Officers from the scene are still p***ed about that one.
:> to take a drivers safety class.
:
:Because you wanted one while you were underage.
:
:> I HAVE to be licensed to drive.
:
:Only on public roads.
:
:> My car
:> MUST be registered.
:
:Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my
:property.
:
:> I MUST (at least where I live) have liability
:> insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an
:> accident with it).
:
:Only on public roads.
And this obviously doesn't always work, else why would they offer uninsured
motorist coverage?
:
:> Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration
:> of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for
:> gun owners.
I object to mandatory registration because I don't trust my government not to
use any information I give them for their own purposes. I am licensed to
carry a concealed pistol in my home state, but they never asked whether I
actually owned a firearm. A safety class before issuing a permit to carry is
reasonably, provided such classes are regularly available to the public. Of
course, most places would consider my time in the reserves and on a competition
rifle team to count.
:
:Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-)
Hey, now that's an idea :)
:
:> Paul Reimer
:
:Jim
Now, unless you have an agenda against private ownership of firearms, why would
you want to harass the person trying to legally defend themselves or exercise
their rights? (I know, defending oneself/family/whoever IS a right... at least
as far as my 9mm and I are concerned... ) (Also as far as the State of Alabama
seems to be concerned) Why don't you push for stricter prosecution of those
who use firearms in the commission of a crime? I've already pointed out how
we aren't nailing DUI's hard enough... Comparing the US with other countries
seldom works, but the European attitude towards alchohol and DUI seems to work..
Their attitude towards weapons isn't really a valid comparison because they've
historically done their best to keep the populace disarmed and submissive,
while our country was founded by a bunch of rugged individualists who told the
European monarchies (for the most part) to take a flying leap (used more polite
language though). We even weaseled out of our first international treaty, and
then convinced the French that it was in their best interests not to complain..
But first we had to overcome the fact that the Brits were doing their best to
restrict us to squirrel guns and such, so we'd be properly submissive while
they forced us to pay for their wars. Of course, most American history classes
these days tend to gloss over facts that do not fit the image they wish to
convey... I'm glad my Amer. Hist. teacher was a Libertarian who had us review
a good portion of the Federalist Papers, and debate their origins and meanings.
enough rambling,
James
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6,452 | The title says it all. Contact me via EMAIL if you would can help me out...
Mike Harpe
University of Louisville
P.S. I KNOW IT IS DISCONTINUED. I want someone who would like to sell
an old copy. | 11 | trimmed_train |
3,215 |
I thought I posted this last year.
The women came to court with three witnesses; the two women that were in
the car and one neighbor that heard me shouting. My lawyer didn't like
the odds since there were multiple complaints both ways and the judge had
a history of finding everyone guilty of at least something, so he convinced
us (she came without a lawyer) to drop everything. The net result was
a $500 laywer bill for me and $35 court costs for her.
The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35
while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me... | 12 | trimmed_train |
6,830 | Is the virtual mouse simulation in ol{v}wm 3.x available under X11R5?
I've been told I'm setting the right resource, yet it continues not to
work. I'm running olvwm3.3 (or olwm 3) on a Sun 3, X11R5 pl 22. | 16 | trimmed_train |
10,814 | April 13, 1993 response by Al Moore ([email protected]):
Basically the problem is that Israel may remain, or leave, the occupied
territories; it cannot do both, it cannot do neither. So far, Israe
continues to propose that they remain. The Palestinians propose that they
leave. Why should either change their view? It is worth pointing out that
the only area of compromise accomodating both views seems to require a
reduction in the Israeli presence. Israel proposes no such reduction....
and in fact may be said to *not* be negotiating.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim:
There seem to be two perceptions that **have to be addressed**. The
first is that of Israel, where there is little trust for Arab groups, so
there is little support for Israel giving up **tangible** assets in
exchange for pieces of paper, "expectations", "hopes", etc. The second
is that of the Arab world/Palestinians, where there is the demand that
these "tangible concessions" be made by Israel **without** it receiving
anything **tangible** back. Given this, the gap between the two stances
seems to be the need by Israel of receiving some ***tangible*** returns
for its expected concessions. By "tangible" is meant something that
1) provides Israel with "comparable" protection (from the land it is to
give up), 2) in some way ensures that the Arab states and Palestine
**will be** accountable and held actively (not just "diplomatically)
responsible for the upholding of all actions on its territory (by citizens
or "visitors").
In essence I do not believe that Israel objections to Palestinian
statehood would be anywhere near as strong as they are now IF Israel
was assured that any new Palestinian state *would be committed to**
co-existing with Israel and held responsible for ALL attacks on Israel
from its territory.
Aside from some of the rather slanted proposals above,
how *could* such "guarantees" be instilled? For example,
how could such "guarantees"/"controls" be added to the
Palestinian PISGA proposals?
Israel is hanging on largely because it is scared stiff that the minute
it lets go (gives lands back to Arab states, no more "buffer zone", gives
full autonomy to Palestinians), ANY and/or ALL of the Arab parties
could (and *would*, if not "controlled" somehow) EASILY return to the
traditional anti-Israel position. The question then is HOW to *really*
ensure that that will not happen. | 6 | trimmed_train |
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This list is updated continually. The latest list can be requested by
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7,258 | Hay all:
Has anyone out there heard of any performance stats on the fabled p24t.
I was wondering what it's performance compared to the 486/66 and/or
pentium would be. Any info would be helpful.
Later
BoB
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Robert Novitskey | [email protected] | (216)754-2134 | CWRU Cleve. Ohio
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COMPUTER ENGINEER AND C PROGRAMMER | NOW SEEKING SUMMER JOBS | 3 | trimmed_train |
518 | Is it possible, ie via creative cable splicing or whatever, to
hook a Syquest 44MB removable drive to a Mac?
Is there any difference with the guts of the drive or is it
just cable differences?
Thanks.
Rob | 14 | trimmed_train |
3,879 | xSorry to repost this again so soon, but
xthe information from my earlier post was
xdeleted from our system.
xI am looking for information concerning
x"sprayed-on" bedliners for pickup trucks.
xA company here does it using polyurethene
xbut they've only been around for 9 months
xso there's not much of a track record here.
xIs the sprayed-on bedliner any good? How
xwell do they hold up over the years? Any
xinfo would be appreciated.
x
xThanks.
x
xDennis
Do you have a Ziebart dealer in your area? They've offered spray
on bed liners around here for several years. If you do, see what
kind of a warranty they have. ( Unfortunately, I don't know anyone
who has gotten one so I can't help you there.) Also ask if they
can give you a list of references.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mack Costello <[email protected]> Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1)
David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>| | 4 | trimmed_train |
4,049 | Another fish to check out is Richard Rast -- he works
for Lockheed Missiles, but is on-site at NASA Johnson.
Nick Johnson at Kaman Sciences in Colo. Spgs and his
friend, Darren McKnight at Kaman in Alexandria, VA.
Good luck.
R. Landis | 10 | trimmed_train |
3,166 | My news feed is broken and I haven't received any new news in 243 hours
(more than 10 days). So, if you reply to this, please send private
email to the address [email protected] -- I have set the
Reply-To line to have that address but I don't know if it will work.
[It depends upon the software, but generally I wouldn't expect
reply-to to cause an email cc to be sent in addition to a posting.
You'll probably need to do something specific, which will vary
depending upon your news software. --clh]
At any rate, I need some support. (Much thanks to Jayne K who is
already supporting me with kind words and prayers!)
I've been working at this company for eight years in various
engineering jobs. I'm female. Yesterday I counted and realized that
on seven different occasions I've been sexually harrassed at this
company. Seven times. Eight years. Yesterday was the most recent one;
someone left an X-rated photo of a nude woman in my desk drawer.
I'm really upset by this. I suppose it could have been worse -- it
could have been a man having sex with a sheep or something.
There was no note. I do not know if it was:
- someone's idea of an innocent joke, that went awry
- someone's sick idea of flirting
- an act of emotional terrorism (that worked!)
I dreaded coming back to work today. What if my boss comes in to ask
me some kind of question, I don't know the answer so I take a military
specification down off from my shelf to look up the answer, and out
falls a picture of a man having sex with a sheep? I generally have a
Bible on my desk for occasional inspiration; what if I open it up to
Corinthians and find a picture a la the North American Man Boy Love
Association? I want to throw up just thinking about this stuff.
I can lock up my desk, but I can't lock up every book I have in the
office. I can't trust that someone won't shove something into my
briefcase or my coat pocket when I'm not looking so that I go home to
find such a picture, or a threat, or a raunchy note about what someone
wants to do to my body.
To make it worse, the entire department went out to lunch yesterday to
treat our marvelous secretary to lunch. The appointed hour for
leaving was 11:30. I was working in another building but wanted to go
to the lunch. So I returned at 11:25, only to find that ever single
person had already left for lunch. They left at 11:15 or so. No one
could be bothered to call me at the other building, even though my
number was posted. So, I came back to a department that looked like a
neutron bomb had gone off and I was the sole survivor. This, despite
the fact that everyone knew how bad I felt about this naked woman being
left in my desk drawer.
I need some prayers --- I can't stop crying. I am so deeply wounded
that it's ridiculous.
I feel like I'm some kind of sub-human piece of garbage for people to
reduce me and my sisters to simply sex organs and the sex act. I feel
like I'm a sub-human piece of garbage that's not worthy of a simple
phone call saying "We're leaving for Mary's lunch a little early so
that Bob can get back for a big 1:00 meeting..."
Please pray that my resentments will either go away, or be miraculously
turned into something positive. Please pray that whoever is torturing
me so will stop, and find some healing for him- or herself. Please pray
for my being healed from this latest wound (which falls on top of a
whole slew of other wounds...). Please pray that I can find a new job
in a place where the corporate culture does its best to prevent such
harrassment from happening in the first place, and swiftly acts
appropriately when something occurs despite its best precautions. (This
company, in my opinion, has pretty words about how sexual harrassment
isn't tolerated but when you get right down to it, how is it that one
female engineer can be touched inappropriately, left obsene or
threatening notes, left obscene pictures, spoken to lewdly, etc, seven
times in eight years in the same place? Pretty words from the company
do me no good when I'm terrified or healing from the latest assault.)
And please pray that I don't turn into an automaton because of this.
That's my bad habit: "ignore it and it will go away", "you're not worth
anyone's time so don't go talking to anyone about this", "you're right,
you are a sub-human piece of garbage and deserve to be treated this
way", "you are just an object", "you prostitute your mind to this
company so why can't others expect you to prostitute your body there as
well?", "what makes you think women aren't just possessions, and
nothing more than sex organs and their ability to perform the sex act?"
This is the kind of thinking that can catapault one into a major
depressive episode; please pray that these thoughts don't come into
my head and stay there, triggering depression.
Please pray that this latest trauma doesn't come between me and God.
In a way, a wound like this is an invitation to a deeper connection to
God, and it's also a possible trigger for a spiritual crisis that can
separate one mentally from God. (I know God doesn't drop me from his
loving hand, but it's awfully easy for me to walk to the edge of the
hand, look down, think I'm falling and forget that God's still holding
on to me.)
Although this probably isn't entirely appropriate for this newsgroup,
I really can use the kind of loving support you all provide. For this
reason I hope good Mr. Moderator allows me this latest indulgence. After
all, he's allowed me the thermometer note, and a few other off-the-wall
topics.
Thanks in advance to everyone for your support and prayers. Peace to you,
Esther
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4,015 | I need definitions of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks. Any background
material would also be welcome.
If anyoneand email something to me or point me to an anonymous FTP server
I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
Al Dykes | 3 | trimmed_train |
11,221 | As quoted from <[email protected]> by [email protected]:
Kind of sounds like Plessy v. Ferguson, huh? Of course as in that case,
things change, huh?
No, if your little fantasy comes to pass, the country will have gone
TOWARD the KKK. You're of course being a little disengenuous. Violent
solutions are never passe FOR THE GOVERNMENT and CRIMINALS (who frequently)
cannot be distinguished).
"Avoid situations which encourage criminals"? You mean don't be a woman?
Don't be Black? Don't be gay? I'm quite certain that having a surfeit of
unarmed victims will discourage your beloved KKK from engaging in "violent
solutions"....
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6,190 | )
)
)>The official and legal term for rape is "the crime of forcing a FEMALE
)>to submit to sexual intercourse."
)
)Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states
)had the word "FEMALE" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised
)as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but
)was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only,
)uniformly throughout the U.S.
I agree mostly with Chris. It is (unfortunately, IMO) true that the *FBI*
figures for rape based on the 'uniform crime report' report only female
rapes. However, some states (such as Illinois) are not tabluated because they
refuse to comply with this sexist definition! | 13 | trimmed_train |
9,877 |
Steve Dyer points out that Sharen was probably thinking of Sulfites. But
the question still stands. | 19 | trimmed_train |
9,506 | The idea is to clip one polygon using another polygon (not
necessarily rectangular) as a window. My problem then is in
finding out all the new vertices of the resulting "subpolygons"
from the first one. Is this simply a matter of extending the
usual algorithm whereby each of the edges of one polygon is checked
against another polygon??? Is there a simpler way??
Comments welcome. | 1 | trimmed_train |
10,072 | Somewhere, someone told me that Satan was the angel in charge of
music in heaven, and on top of that, he was the most beautiful
of the angels. Isn't it funny that these days how MTV has become
the "bible" of music and beauty these days. MTV controls what bands
are popular, no matter how bad they are. In fact, it is better to
be politically correct - like U2, Madonna - than to have any
musical talent. Then of course, you have this television station
that tells us all how to dress. Think about it, who started the
retro-fashion craze?? MTV and Madonna. Gag.
Anyway, just food for thought. It is really my own wierd theory.
If Revelation was to come true today, I think MTV would the "ever
changing waters" (music and fashion world) that the beast would
arise from, and Madonna will be the whore of Babylon, riding the
beast and drinking the blood of the martyrs.
Hmmmm....great idea for a book/movie.....
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7,651 |
If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well,
it's obviously a risk one takes.
I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of
conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of
trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary
experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from
the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the
perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable).
An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is
that the "better" descriptive language is not available.
This word "reliable" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you
can show how reliability can be determined. | 8 | trimmed_train |
11,269 |
I don't think this is the case, at least not on all jetskis. On my
friend's jetski, bars turn left to go left. Anyway, all you're doing
there is changing the yaw of the jets, so the relationship between
the handlbars and the rear-mounted jets is completely arbitrary
(simple linkage could make it work either way).
It seems to me that jetskis are even more irrelevant to this discussion
than snow skis. But it *has* been an amusing digression.
Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here?
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551 |
Please forgive all the inclusions. I suppose they are neccessary to follow
the argument.
My point is that "if life has meaning or importance then we should try
to find that meaning or importance" which is almost a tautology. (I hope
I'm not being too patronizing.) One term for that meaning is "Creator",
though that is not obvious from my above argument.
(It's more like "I think, therefore I am, therefore God is.")
Unfortunately the term "religious" is ambiguous to me in this context.
I could say that searching for meaning in life is by definition being
religious. I could say cult followers by definition have given up on
the search.
If you want "meaning" why not search for the truth?
So far, my understanding of Christianity is congruent with my understanding
of truth. There have been many before me who have come to conclusions
that are worded in ways that make sense to me. By no means does that imply
that I understand everything. | 0 | trimmed_train |
9,979 | We need a good concave ->convex polygon conversion routine.
I've tried a couple without much luck. Please E-mail responses and I
will post a summary of any replies. Thank you. | 1 | trimmed_train |
5,894 | (Soner Yamen) responded to article <[email protected]> BURAK@UCSVAX.
[AFS] Just a quick comment::
[AFS]
[AFS] Armenians killed Turks------Turks killed Armenians.
[AFS]
[AFS] Simple as that. Can anybody deny these facts?
Jews killed Germans in WWII -- Germans killed Jews in WWII, BUT there was
quite a difference in these two statements, regardless of what Nazi
revisionists say!
[SY] My grand parents were living partly in todays Armenia and partly in
[SY] todays Georgia. There were villages, Kurd/Turk (different Turkic groups)
[SY] Georgian (muslim/christian) Armenian and Farsi... Very near to eachother.
[SY] The people living there were aware of their differences. They were
[SY] different people. For example, my grandfather would not have been happy
[SY] if his doughter had willed to marry an Armenian guy. But that did not
[SY] mean that they were willing to kill eachother. No! They were neighbors.
OK.
[SY] Armenians killed Turks. Which Armenians? Their neoghbors? As far as my
[SY] grandparents are concerned, the Armenians attacked first but these
[SY] Armenians were not their neighbors. They came from other places. Maybe
[SY] first they had a training at some place. They were taught to kill people,
[SY] to hate Turks/Kurds? It seems so...
There is certainly a difference between the planned extermination of the
Armenians of eastern Turkey beginning in 1915, with that of the Armeno-
Georgian conflicts of late 1918! The argument is not whether Armenians ever
killed in their collective existence, but rather the wholesale destruction of
Anatolian Armenians under orders of the Turkish government. An Armenian-
Georgian dispute over the disposition of Akhalkalak, Lori, and Pambak after
the Turkish Third Army evacuated the region, cannot be equated with the
extermination of Anatolian Armenians. Many Armenians and Georgians died
in this area in the scramble to re-occupy these lands and the lack of
preparation for the winter months. This is not the same as the Turkish
genocide of the Armenians nearly four years earlier, hundreds of kilometers
away!
[SY] Anyway, but after they killed/raped/... Turks and other muslim people
[SY] around, people assumed that 'Armenians killed us, raped our women',
[SY] not a particular group of people trained in some camps, maybe backed
[SY] by some powerful states... After that step, you cannot explain these
[SY] people not to hate all Armenians.
I don't follow, perhaps the next paragraph will shed some light.
[SY] So what am I trying to point out? First, at least for that region,
[SY] you cannot blame Turks/Kurds etc since it was a self defense situation.
[SY] Most of the Armenians, I think, are not to blame either. But since some
[SY] people started that fire, it is not easy to undo it. There are facts.
[SY] People cannot trust eachother easily. It is very difficult to establish
[SY] a good relation based on mutual respect and trust between nations with
[SY] different ethnic/cultural/religious backgrounds but it is unfortunately
[SY] very easy to start a fire!
Again, the fighting between Armenians and Georgians in 1918/19 had little to
do with the destruction of the Armenians in Turkey. It is interesting that
the Georgian leaders of the Transcaucasian Federation (Armenia, Azerbaijan,
and Georgia) made special deals with Turkish generals not to pass through
Tiflis on their way to Baku, in return for Georgians not helping the Armenians
militarily. Of course, as Turkish troops marched across what was left of
Caucasian Armenia, many Armenians went north and such population movement
caused problems with the locals. This is in no comparison with events 4 years
earlier in eastern Anatolia. My father's mother's family escaped Cemiskezek ->
Erzinka -> Erzerum -> Nakhitchevan -> Tiflis -> Constantinople ->
Massachusetts.
[SY] My grandparents were *not* bloodthirsty people. We did not experience
[SY] what they had to endure... They had to leave their lands, there were
[SY] ladies, old ladies, all of her children killed while she forced to
[SY] witness! Young women put dirt at their face to make themselves
[SY] unattractive! I don't want to go into any graphic detail.
My grandmother's brother was forced to dress up as a Kurdish women, and paste
potato skins on his face to look ugly. The Turks would kill any Armenian
young man on sight in Dersim. Because their family was rather influential,
local Kurds helped them escape before it was too late. This is why I am alive
today.
[SY] You may think that my sources are biased. They were biased in some sense.
[SY] They experienced their own pain, of course. That is the way it is. But
[SY] as I said they were living in peace with their neighbors before. Why
[SY] should they become enemies?
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9,756 |
Right Gerald. And take away Bob Probert and the Wings are dead Octopuses.
Let's wait for the body to get cold before we start in with the eulogies
hm? They have only lost ONE game. The game was in Detroit after all and
Potvin did not have his best evening. Nobody that I saw thought that the
Leafs would sweep the Wings. It looks like it might go six. The Leafs
will take the Wings home advantage away in the next game.
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6,158 | Hi All!
I would like to know what are the popular ICs of the type, their capabilities
(# of channels et.c.) and prices :-)
Great thanks, | 11 | trimmed_train |
3,241 | I am interested in both the battletech games for the ibm pc.
I will be grateful to anymore with information. Please email me if you | 5 | trimmed_train |
5,133 | Remember roads in America are NOT designed for speeds above 80 meaning they
would be safe at 55-65. Roads like the Autobahn are smoother, straiter,
wider and slightly banked.
Example: A few months back I was traveling late at night ( 3:00 am or so)
and I was changing highways at a bent crosssing. It curved off to the south
east becoming hidden by trees after about 1,000 ft and continued to the
left strait north. I wanted to turn north, checked the south lane, rolled
into the crossing and checked the north lane. Nevertheless there wasn't
a car in sight, so I took one last look and pulled into the left hand lane.
Now my car isn't a 5 sec 0-60 performer but I was in the corect lane and
over 40 in decent time, even at 3:00 I wasn't wasting time. It was then
that I checked my mirror and saw a Mustang closing in my lane *FAST*, he
had just turned the corner and was just noticing me. Luckly he saw me and
changed lanes in time, I estamate he was moving in excess of 90 or so.
I was just a by stander, I had no chance of runing from him, or moving out
of his way. I'm glad he saw my brake lights in time. I shudder to
think of what would have happened had I wainted to pull out and not
left the time he needed to dodge me.
Rule: Just because your car can do 100+, and your way is clear,
don't assume it will stay that way. | 4 | trimmed_train |
16 |
I certainly do use it whenever I have to do TIFF, and it usually works
very well. That's not my point. I'm >philosophically< opposed to it
because of its complexity.
This complexity has led to some programs' poor TIFF writers making
some very bizarre files, other programs' inability to load TIFF
images (though they'll save them, of course), and a general
inability to interchange images between different environments
despite the fact they all think they understand TIFF.
As the saying goes, "It's not me I'm worried about- it's all the
abuse of TIFF over the years, and I chalk it all up to the immense (and
unnecessary) complexity of the format.
In the words of the TIFF 5.0 spec, Appendix G, page G-1 (capitalized
emphasis mine):
"The only problem with this sort of success is that TIFF was designed
to be powerful and flexible, at the expense of simplicity. It takes a
fair amount of effort to handle all the options currently defined in
this specification (PROBABLY NO APPLICATION DOES A COMPLETE JOB),
and that is currently the only way you can be >sure< that you will be
able to import any TIFF image, since there are so many
image-generating applications out there now."
If a program (or worse all applications) can't read >every< TIFF
image, that means there are some it won't- some that I might have to
deal with. Why would I want my images to be trapped in that format? I
don't and neither should anyone who agrees with my reasoning- not
that anyone does, of course! :-) | 1 | trimmed_train |
3,807 |
If the Papacy is infallible, and this is a matter of faith, then the
Pope cannot "be wrong!" If, on the other hand, this is not a matter
of faith, but a matter of Church law, then we should still obey as the
Pope is the legal head of the church.
In other words, given the doctrine of infallibility, we have no choice
but to obey.
This is a primary problem in the Church today. What you are saying is
more or less heresy. You might call it "infallibilism". It's the
idea that the Pope is always right in everything he says or does.
This is virtually all over the place, especially in this country.
The Pope is only infallible under certain very specific and
well-defined conditions. When these conditions are not met, he can
make mistakes. He can make *big* mistakes.
A couple historical examples come to mind.
Bishop Robert Grosseteste was perhaps the greatest product of the
English Catholic Church. At one point during his career, the reigning
Pope decided to install one of his nephews in an English see. Bishop
Grosseteste said that this would happen over his dead body (though
maybe not in so many words; you have to treat Popes with respect, even
when they are wrong). The problem was that this nephew would just
collect the income of the see, and probably never set foot there.
This would deprive the people of the see of a shepherd. Bishop
Grosseteste was quite right in what he did!
Another example is that of Pope John XXII, a Pope of the Middle Ages.
He decided that souls that were saved did not enjoy the Beatific
Vision until the Last Judgement. He decided that this should be a
defined doctrine of the Church. Though he didn't quite get around to
defining it. Now there's no way this is compatible with Catholic
doctrine. The Pope's doctrine was criticised by many in the Church.
He went so far as to put a number of his opponents in jail, even. In
the end, he had to admit his mistake. Shortly before he died, he
recanted. His successor made the exact *opposite* idea a dogma of the
Church.
If you consult any of the great Catholic theologians who treat of such
subjects, such as St. Robert Bellarmine (a Doctor of the Church), you
will find detailed discussions of whether the Pope can personally fall
into heresy or schism. | 0 | trimmed_train |
6,262 | Anyone seen any press releases or heard any rumors of a cache card
for the LCIII, now that it has the full data bus width on the PDS slot? | 14 | trimmed_train |
6,963 | 1 | trimmed_train |
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11,085 |
If this is any surprise to you, *I'm* shocked.
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737 | I'm looking for a Singer Featherweight 221 sewing machine (old, black
sewing machine in black case).
Please contact: | 5 | trimmed_train |
4,647 | The European Space Agency has involvement with remote earth
observation, and I presume this includes surveillance (optical etc.).
So it's not just the US/USSR(ex) who are in the game.
But what *is* the game? What can be done with space observation?
The military functions of missile spotting, troop spotting etc. are well
documented, but what about anything else?
The biggest eg I can think of is to get a metal sensing sat over a
paying country and scan their territory for precious metals.
More importantly, if radar can spot water vapour (clouds), presumably
a radar based sat will be capable of spotting rivers,open water and
*underground water* from space. This would be a positive life saver
for African or other drought affected countries. Implementing a
clean water and irrigation program would be of imense benifit to such
countries and should cut down mortalities considerably.
So how about it? Is there a charity or government agency that would
pay for a third world country to have their minerals and water deposits
mapped?
Or is this still sci-fi?
Mail replies would be great.
Thought for the day: Thermal energy needs water to make steam so sstick
it in the ocean!
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9,501 | rites:
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But drive UP to Cleveland and it is about 10,000 times better. I from Toledo
originally (but that place always as sucked as long as I've been on the planet.
Republicans have been trying to pass a balanced budget amendment for the last
ten years.
Because for a while, the American companies couln't even compete in THEIR OWN
COUNTRY, where free trade isn't even an issue. However, even the automobile
pendelum has swung back to the Big 3.
Oh, I don't know. It's probably in the tens of thousands. | 13 | trimmed_train |
7,230 | Does someone sell OEM scale units with either analog or digital output?
I need something like the scales used in supermarket cash registers,
with a dynamic range of a few pounds and reasonable accuracy.
Any sources ? -David | 11 | trimmed_train |
593 |
It also falls within the purview of the ACLU, but that doesn't mean
the ACLU (or the EFF) would be the most effective instrument to
"win the hearts and minds" in favor of access to cryptography.
It's precisely slogans like "cryptography makes censorship impossible"
which stand to torpedo any attempt to generate a broad consensus in favor
of encryption. It is not true, and in the context of a public debate it
would be a dangerous red herring. Advocates of strong crypto had better
prepare themselves to answer such charges in pragmatic terms that laypeople
and politicians can sympathize with. The usual mumblings about
Constitutional amendments are not enough.
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2,269 | Olympus Stylus, 35mm, pocket sized, red-eye reduction, timer, fully automatic.
Time & date stamp, carrying case. Smallest camera in its class.
Rated #2 in Consumer Reports. Excellent condition and only 4 months old.
Worth $169.95. Purchased for $130. Selling for $100. | 5 | trimmed_train |
6,170 |
how can >this possibly be fair to the infants?
What do you mean fair? God is just, giving to everyone what they
deserve. As all infants are in sin from the time of conception (cf
Romans 5.12, Psalm 1.7), they cannot possibly merit heaven, and as
purgatory is for the purging of temporal punishment and venial sins, it
is impossible that origianl sin can be forgiven. Hence, the unbaptized
infants are cut off from the God against whom they, with the whole of
the human race except Mary, have sinned. Which is why Jesus said,
"Truly, truly I say to you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless
he is born of water and Spirit" which is the true meaning of born again
(John 3.5). Thus, as infants are in sin, it is very fair for them to be
cut off from God and exlcuded from heaven.
As St. Augustine said, "I did not invent original sin, which the
Catholic faith holds from ancient time; but you, who deny it, without a
doubt are a follower of a new heresy." (De nuptiis, lib. 11.c.12) | 0 | trimmed_train |
7,706 |
I'm not sure about that. Did you see the "poll" they took that showed
that most people thought physicians should be paid $80,000 per year
tops? That's all I make, but I doubt that most physicians are going
to work very hard for that kind of bread. Many wouldn't be able
to service their med school debts on that. Mike Royko had a good
column about it.
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Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
[email protected] | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." | 19 | trimmed_train |
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products to Latin American countries. We are looking for brokers/agents who
can help us. Products include both color and black/white TVs from 11" to 24". If interested, please e-mail or fax to Mr Z Ho at 713-926-7953 (USA) for more information or inquiries. good commission.
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903 | Benedikt Rosenau writes, with great authority:
"Contradictory" is a property of language. If I correct this to
THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST
I will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to
THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST
then we've come to something which is plainly false. Failures in
description are merely failures in description.
(I'm not an objectivist, remember.)
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5,774 | I believe that in order to get at the innards of the new mouse,
you must remove the label on the bottom that says "Apple Desktop
Bus Mouse II" There you should find two screws on either side.
I haven't tried it myself yet, but when I ran my fingernail
accross the label, these two divots appeared, and I can only assume
that these are the elusive screws in question.
cheers,
john | 14 | trimmed_train |
4,997 | [reply to [email protected] (E. H. Welbon)]
For many atheists, the lack of belief in gods is secondary to an
epistemological consideration: what do we accept as a reliable way of
knowing? There are no known valid logical arguments for the existence
of gods, nor is there any empirical evidence that they exist. Most
philosophers and theologians agree that the idea of a god is one that
must be accepted on faith. Faith is belief without a sound logical
basis or empirical evidence. It is a reliable way of knowing?
There is probably nothing else most people would accept in the absence
of any possibility of proof. Even when we agree to take someone elses
word "on faith", we just mean that having found this person to be
reliable in the past, we judge him likely to be a reliable source now.
If we find faith less reliable than logic and empirical evidence
everywhere else, why assume it will provide reliable knowledge about
gods?
The difference between the atheist and the theist is fundamentally then
one of whether or not faith is held to be a reliable way of knowing,
rather than, as some agnostic posters would have it, whether ones faith
is in gods or no gods. The theist believes that faith is an acceptable
basis for a belief in gods, even if he rejects faith as reliable at
other times, for example in his work as a scientist. The atheist
believes that only logic and empirical evidence lead to reliable
knowledge. Agnosticism seems to me a less defensible position than
theism or atheism, unless one is a sceptic in regards to all other
knowledge. Without evidence, why should we believe in gods rather than
Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?
I would also like to point out as others have that the atheist doesn't
require absolute knowledge of the lack of gods. I don't believe that
there is any such thing as absolute knowledge. Atheism is the best and
simplest theory to fit the (lack of) facts and so should be held until
contrary evidence is found. | 8 | trimmed_train |
8,854 | ok - sorry about that...i didn't realise he was being sarcastic about
those sort of things.
but i'll tell you, mike lupica (daily news) usually says some pretty
funny things in his "shooting from the lip" columns... | 2 | trimmed_train |
805 |
Anything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin.
(If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.)
This implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should
never be satisfied. It does not imply that
having fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin.
It does imply that I sin every day.
A perhaps simpler definition:
Anything that is counter to the two Great Commandments:
love God, love your neighbor, is a sin.
Anything I do that is not from love is a sin.
The same action can be a sin sometimes and not a sin sometimes.
I could yell at my kids as discipline, all the time loving them,
considering only to teach them proper behavior, or I could yell at my
kids out of anger or selfishness.
I could post an excellent article because I am interested in sharing
my opinions and getting feedback and learning, or I could post an
article because I want everyone to realize how wise I am. | 0 | trimmed_train |
8,044 | A bit more than a year ago, a hernia in my right groin was
discovered. It had produced a dull pain in that area. The hernia
was repaired using the least intrusive (orthoscopic?) method and a
"plug and patch".
The doctor considered the procedure a success.
A few months later the same pain returned. The doctor said that
he could find nothing wrong in the area of the hernia repair.
Now the pain occurs more often. My GP couldn't identify any
specific problem. The surgen who performed the original procedure
now says that yes there is a "new" hernia in the same area and he
said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time.
My question to the net: Is there a nonintrusive method to
determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from
something else? | 19 | trimmed_train |
10,130 |
Well, DRL's are already mandatory for motorcycles...
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3,229 |
Well Sherri, I'd agree with you except that most 'kiddies' have more sense than
to spew their obscenities in front of a group of adults..
I try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools,
they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use
computers, but I'm telling you, it's gotten to the point that I don't even edit
the files anymore, just read them and throw out the trash... And thanks to all
you people that think it's wonderful to include a swear word or two in your
signature files, that's really nice... I have to read the whole article and
then toss it out because of the .sig. Don't get me wrong, I know all the words you
do, (and I've even made up some of my own!) or I wouldn't be able to edit them out ;^)
but this just doesn't seem to be the place, a public forum, to spew foul language,
sorry..
Thanks to all you people that keep in mind, there might be some decent, young
people, interested in baseball and computers reading this newsgroup.. They enjoy
your articles. | 2 | trimmed_train |
1,116 | Hello, I realize that this might be a FAQ but I have to ask since I don't get a
change to read this newsgroup very often. Anyways for my senior project I need
to convert an AutoCad file to a TIFF file. Please I don't need anyone telling
me that the AutoCAD file is a vector file and the TIFF is a bit map since I
have heard that about 100 times already I would just like to know if anyone
knows how to do this or at least point me to the right direction. | 1 | trimmed_train |
5,909 | : >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up
: >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and
: >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know
: >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but
: >humor us. Thanks for your help.
:
| 2 | trimmed_train |
7,687 |
Link with '-lm' (math library).
This is a bug in Sun's shared libraries. Linking with
'-assert nodefinitions' should do the trick. | 16 | trimmed_train |
7,008 |
I really don't understand all this! I watched on satellite network feeds as
perhaps 90 people died before my eyes, while the two Huey's fanned the flames,
and the FBI stopped the firetrucks at the gate.
Something was VERY wrong with that scene.
Perhaps if I'd watched RAMBO movies, I might've been dulled to the pain of
fellow humans dying.
Thank GOD I still feel. I'm very sorry for you who don't. For you who think
they got what they deserved. Can you really believe that? Even if Koresh was
the sadistic mad man they said he was, did the others deserve his fate? If,
in fact, he was mad, wasn't that even more reason to believe he duped his
followers, and therefore they were innocent, brainwashed, victims? Is there
any scenaro that justifies all that death?
And if not, it is clear that the deaths would not have occured if the BATF has
not FUCKED UP initially, and now the FBI got impaitent and pushed Korech over
the edge.
And that's if you buy the latest version of the "story" hook, line, and sinker.
I have believed all along that they could not let them live, the embarrassment
to the BATF and the FBI would've been too severe.
Remember, this was a suspicion of tax-evasion warrant. There were no
witnesses, except the FBI. All information filtered through the FBI. All they
had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed near the
building, and the press could've done their job, and would've been able to back
the FBI's story with close up video, while incurring no risk to the press.
Unless they did not want the public to see something. The complete lack of any
other source of information other than the FBI really causes me concern.
Sick to my stomach, and getting sicker from all the Government apologists
--
[email protected] | 9 | trimmed_train |
10,998 | I have read numerous posts over a period of several months, by
this anti-Israel fanatic, hiding in the shadow of the respectable
sounding name of the 'Center for Policy Research.' Obviously, it
is no research center of any kind, unless 'researching' published
documents to find material to use against Israel makes it so.
Labeling a propaganda mill a research center is not surprising
in itself. That is simply part of the propaganda process. I was
curious if anyone knew who this anti-Israel fanatic hiding behind
his phoney 'research center' name is. Is he an Arab? Is he some
typical anti-semite hiding behind a veneer of 'anti-zionism?' Is
he some Jew who perhaps lived in Israel and just couldn't make it
there, and is now taking his failure out on Israel? | 6 | trimmed_train |
6,646 | {drinking & riding}
0.20 is DWI in New York? Here the limit is 0.08 ! | 12 | trimmed_train |
8,588 | Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing
of X/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could
program (or which could record events/output) with our verification
test procedures and then run/rerun each time we do regression
testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX
projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS. | 16 | trimmed_train |
7,252 |
The funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to MSG vary so
greatly. Some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face. Some
claim their heart "skipped" beats once in a while. Some reacted with
headache, some stomach ache. Some had watery eyes or running nose, some
had itchy skin or rashes. More serious accusations include respiration
difficulty and brain damage.
Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one
suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But
if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. | 19 | trimmed_train |
9,919 | Does anyone out there have or know of, any kind of utility program for
Ribbons?
Ribbons are a popular representation for 2D shape. I am trying to
find symmetry axis in a given any 2D shape using ribbons.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated how to start program.
Thanks very much in advance,
Hoi
| 1 | trimmed_train |
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126K miles
Asking $2800. If interested, please contact:
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| 5 | trimmed_train |
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