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>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much
>worse, of course, if the government then uses this "Clinton Clipper"
>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main
>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.)
Excuse me? This has *already* happened. There's a couple of humps in
the tent already. Ask the folks at Qualcomm what became of the
non-trivial encryption scheme they proposed for use in their CDMA
digitial cellular phone standard? There *already* are restrictions in
place.
You have it slightly wrong. They dumped the encryption system because
they could not export it -- not because they could not produce it for
U.S. use. There are no legal restraints on citizen use of strong
cryptography -- yet.
--
Perry Metzger [email protected] | 7 | trimmed_train |
5,399 | This post has all the earmarks of a form program, where the user types in
a nationality or ethnicity and it fills it in in certain places in the story.
If this is true, I condemn it. If it's a fabrication, then the posters have
horrible morals and should be despised by everyone on tpm who values truth. | 6 | trimmed_train |
7,700 |
I'm not sure about Juha, but another top center, Rauli Raitanen([ss{t)
is drafted by Jets. Raitanen had very good year and he has played in the
Finnish nationalteam. I believe that he'll be one of the best finns in
this year's WC, if Matikainen(Head coach) elects him to the team.
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2,847 | [...]
henrik] Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the
henrik] KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan.
BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It
BM] seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
henrik] Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do
henrik] want them to do. Lay down their ARMS and let Azeris walk all over them.
News reports I've seen say otherwise both location and motives wise.
CAPS don't change facts.
BM] while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment,
BM] will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it
BM] is a part of it.
henrik] Armenians KNEW from the begining that TURKS were FULLY engaged
henrik] training AZERIS militarily to fight against KARABAKHI-Armenians.
So? Should I, at this point break into caps and start talking about
DEFENSE etc.? I don't know how 'fully engaged' Turkey is/was though.
henrik] The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000
henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the
henrik] ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending
henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION.
BM] Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them
BM] within their borders?
henrik] Well, history is SAD. Remember, those are relocated Azeris into
henrik] the Armenian LAND of KARABAKH by the STALIN regime.
So I hear. This justifies bloodshed N years after the fact?
henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the
henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER
henrik] OCCUR again.
BM] You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade?
henrik] It is not up to me to speculate but I am sure Turkey would have stepped
henrik] into Armenia if SHE could.
Why would Turkey do that? Do you not realize that this is a local clash
that Turkey never wished to see happen? Turkey has other plans for region,
like economic revival, co-operation etc. Good stuff in other words, I'd
be happy to bicker with Armenians over trade barriers and such on USENET
rather than 'who killed whom in what way' which I detest doing and wouldn't
do.
BM] Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header
BM] in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun?
henrik] Absolutely NOT ! I am merely trying to emphasize that in many
henrik] cases, HISTORY repeats itself.
Even if one buys into your implicit premise, the sane thing to do would
be to try not to provoke Turkey as was done in '74. If there'd been
a democratic government instead of a bunch of idiots in Athens at the
time, everybody would have stayed home with their families. [I have no
wish to go into the Cyprus quarrel, but I suspect what I've said is not
only accurate but also palatable to all parties involved]
BM] Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes
BM] she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring
BM] the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians
BM] are attacking Azeri towns.
henrik] So, let me understand in plain WORDS what you are saying; Turkey
henrik] wants a PEACEFUL END to this CONFLICT. NOT !!
So what do you think we want? War, death and destruction?
henrik] I will believe it when I see it.
No, if you allow yourself to believe it you just might see it.
henrik] Now, as far as attacking, what do you do when you see a GUN pointing
henrik]to your HEAD ? Do you sit there and WATCH or DEFEND yoursef(fat chance)?
This kind of childish rhetoric doesn't help anthing.
henrik] Do you remember what Azeris did to the Armenians in BAKU ? All the
henrik] BARBERIAN ACTS especially against MOTHERS and their CHILDREN. I mean
henrik] BURNING people ALIVE !
Now, some Azeri will come out and give a description of similar stuff
perpetrated by Armenians. One should re-hash stuff like this often to
keep the hatred alive, right?
BM] Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the
BM]futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that
BM] leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's
BM] going to cause incessant skirmishes.
henrik] Armenians in KARABAKH want PEACE and their own republic. They are
henrik] NOT asking much. They simply want to get back what was TAKEN AWAY
henrik] from them and GIVEN to AZERIS by STALIN.
Well they obviously aren't getting anywhere with their current methods
of asking (not very peaceful I'd say).
BM] Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent
BM] countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe
BM] the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better
BM] to keep the bad blood between them minimal?
henrik] Don't get me WRONG. I also want PEACEFUL solution to the
henrik] conflict. But until Azeris realize that, the Armenians in
henrik] KARABAKH will defend themselves against aggresion.
I don't know if you want a solution or just want to exchange slogans.
Peace isn't what's happening right now, furthermore what's happening
right now isn't condusive to peace. You can spend days and nights
raving about how 'right' the Armenian position is and I'm sure
there'll be others who'd be happy to talk to you by arguing the other
side. If entrenched positions lead to war, and if people want peace
than they should sit down and talk about a compromise. Armenia isn't
strong enough to exercise the 'we think we're right, and we have the
bombs, so we'll do whatever we want, so there...' style of foreign
relations. Yes you can type Stalin in caps, and give one sided
atrocity stories etc. but for peace you need to be willing to talk to
the other side. You personally can choose not to do that of course,
this being just USENET. The people in power shouldn't be so childish.
BM] If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes
BM] your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of
BM] their blood and future.
henrik] Again, you are taking different TURNS. Armenia HAS no intension
henrik] to GRAB any LAND from Azerbaijan. The Armenians in KARABAKH
henrik] are simply defending themselves UNTIL a solution is SET.
Azeri's would disagree with you on this, and the maps I've seen support
what they'd be saying. It doesn't seem likely that a solution will be
reached in this manner.
BM] It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize
BM] craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians
BM] in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate
BM] as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in
BM] the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for
BM] compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading
BM] inflammatory half-truths.
henrik] It is NOT up to me to decide the PEACE initiative. I am absolutely
henrik] for it.
It didn't look it when I read your posting. It would seem to me
that if you can spew mis-information about a boogey-man, you can also
talk about how one might avoid the nastiness. Fair?
henrik] But, in the meantime, if you do not take care of yourself,
henrik] you will be WIPED out. Such as the case in the era of 1915-20 of
henrik] The Armenian Massacres.
You don't realize I can say the same thing about 'The Turkish Massacres.'
Yes, boys and girls, let's always talk about how bad and nasty things were.
Let's do that so we're overwhelmed by anger, and let's do that so our
kids will also be hateful. Sounds crazy doesn't it? Don't do it then. | 6 | trimmed_train |
3,962 | Cheryl Marks writes
That depends. Just how much older were they?
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3,086 | Summer Housing needed-at University of Washington, Seattle.
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I am looking for a place to stay for the summer
at the University of Washington, Seattle, where I would be
doing an internship. If any of you from UofW Seattle, has
got some kind of space for summer sublet, please send an
email/call to me.
I expect to start my internship in the first week
of June.
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[email protected]
Koshy George,
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2,337 | Hi Folks,
Does anybody know where I can find the "Color" bitmap editor
around the public sites? Any information I do appreciate that.
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6,763 |
Nope. I'm pretty sure that this person knows how to take the ball out.
I think that what they want to do is take the mouse apart. The old mouse
had four screws on the bottom that you could unscrew to do this,
while there's no obvious way to take the new one apart.
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8,414 |
Apple has patented their implementation of regions, which presumably
includes the internal data structure (which has never been officially
documented by Apple). Apple cannot patent the concept of a region.
I'm guessing that either NuTek reverse-engineered Apple's internal data
structure for regions (I dunno if this would hold up in court), or they
came up with their own data structure. If it's the latter, then they
won't be able to draw PICT files containing regions. Besides PICT files,
there aren't many places where regions are stored on disk. (QuickTime
movies, perhaps?) As long as the region isn't being stored on disk and
transferred from a Mac to a NuTek clone (or vice versa), it doesn't
matter if NuTek uses a completely different internal data structure.
I remember reading that Apple also has a patent on their ADB hardware,
and that the NuTek clones would therefore be lacking an ADB port. What
other patents does Apple have on the Mac? | 14 | trimmed_train |
9,492 | Went to the Dodgers game tonight -- it was cap night.
Astacio pitched ok, but had control trouble all night.
In the first, he walked a batter, balked him to second, then
a single scored the run, with the batter taking second on the
throw home. Another single made the score 2-0 Cards.
Lasorda tried a new line up featuring Butler, Reed, And Piazza
batting third! Darryl and Eric were benched in favor of Snyder
and Webster.
Piazza homered in the first to make the score 2-1 Cards.
The Dodgers tied the game in the second on a two out single
by Offerman.
By the fourth inning, Astacio had already made about 80 pitches, but
the score was still 2-2. The Dodger defense made SEVERAL impressive
plays. Piazza looked GREAT behind the plate, gunning down a runner
trying to steal second, throwing a runner out at first who
had strayed a bit from first base, etc.
Karros also made a spectacular play, keeping a ball from going into
the outfield. The runner on first was so sure that ball was going
through, he just kept running past second. Karros got up and threw
to third and EASILY got the runner at third.
My heart sank in the 7th when Gross got up to warm up in the bullpen.
Astacio was lifted for a pinch hitter, and when Gross entered the game
with the score still 2-2, Dodger fans just KNEW it was over.
Gross was relieving because he stunk on Tuesday, pitching just 2 1/3
innings, forcing Lasorda to use much of his bullpen. The 15 inning
game had the same effect the next night...so only Gross was fresh
given his light work out Tuesday.
Gross lived up to his name. He walked the first batter, gave up a hit
to the second, and walked the bases loaded. After a grounder resulted
in a force at home, Zeile lifted a scoring fly ball to make it
3-2 Cards. Gross paid little attention to the runners, and the next
thing you knew, the Cards had stolen a fourth run. The runner on
first was eventually tagged out in the run down, but the 4th run had
scored long before that.
Meanwhile, the Dodgers mounted little offense after the second inning.
Lee Smith pitched the ninth. He had little trouble getting Karros
and Wallach (does anyone have trouble with Wallach these days?).
Cory Snyder collected his first hit as a Dodger, a single, but
that was all the offense the Dodgers could mount. Smith got his
third straight save against the Dodgers and all I got was my
free Dodger cap and a good look at Piazza. If Piazza keeps this
up all year, he will be a strong candidate for rookie of the year
honors. Though its really early, Karros is already showing signs
of a sophomore jinx year.
The final score...Cardinals 4 runs on 7 hits.
Dodgers 2 runs on 7 hits. | 2 | trimmed_train |
7,082 |
May we interpret this as an offer to volunteer as editor for a
"Copy protection FAQ" ? I am quite sure that I am not alone welcoming such
an initiative! *I* will volunteer to ask some of the questions, if you will
provide the answers :-) | 11 | trimmed_train |
5,529 |
I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get
rid of my "venerable" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough
cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing
worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys
at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers
might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't
format/mount/partition for A/UX. | 14 | trimmed_train |
1,684 | Has anyone had any problems with their Duo Dock not ejecting the Duo
properly?
When I first got it, the Duo would come out of the Dock a couple of inches
when ejected, and I had to pull it the rest of the way. Nowadays (and I've
had the system for 4 months), the Duo doesn't come out *at* *all* - despite
the fact that the mechanism makes all the appropriate noises, and I have to
grab hold of it and pull it out myself. Is there a simple fix for this, or
do I have to return it to my Apple Dealer, where it will languish for weeks
while I have to make do with no colour display, no VRAM, no floppy or
SCSI etc.
(BTW, it's not that the Duo is locked into the Dock - it just doesn't
want to slide out any more).
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1,561 |
I am fairly sure that she could obtain citizenship by making an
application for it. It might require immigration to Germany, but
I am almost certain that once applied for citizenship is inevitable
in this case.
More interesting only for your propaganda purposes. I have said several
times now that I don't consider Iran particularly exemplary as a good
Islamic state. We might talk about the rights of people in "capitalist
secular" third world countries to give other examples of the lack of
rights in third world countries broadly. Say, for example, Central
American secular capitalist countries whose govt's the US supports
but who Amnesty International has pointed out are human rights vacua.
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5,267 |
Maybe, maybe not. A new graduate would obviously be well trained (but
perhaps without sufficient experience). A radiologist trained 10 or
15 years ago who has not kept his continuing education current is a
whole 'nuther matter. A OB who HAS trained in modern radiology technology
is certainly more qualified than the latter and at least equal to
the former.
If the radiologist is also trained in OB/GYN, why not?
John
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3,263 |
Sounds like wishful guessing.
'So-called' ? What do you mean ? How would you see the peace process?
So you say palestineans do not negociate because of 'well-founded' predictions ?
How do you know that they are 'well founded' if you do not test them at the
table ? 18 months did not prove anything, but it's always the other side at
fault, right ?
Why ? I do not know why, but if, let's say, the Palestineans (some of them) want
ALL ISRAEL, and these are known not to be accepted terms by israelis.
Or, maybe they (palestinenans) are not yet ready for statehood ?
Or, maybe there is too much politics within the palestinean leadership, too many
fractions aso ?
I am not saying that one of these reasons is indeed the real one, but any of
these could make arabs stall the negotiations.
I like California oranges. And the feelings may get sharper at the table.
Regards, | 6 | trimmed_train |
2,212 | Cathy Smith posting for L. Neil Smith
Dear Bill --
Very, VERY good -- you made my whole day with this post. Thanks
a lot.
L. Neil Smith | 9 | trimmed_train |
2,124 |
Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain.
It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect,
and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly
doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause
drowsiness.
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2,079 |
: > I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance
: >was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard
: >Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave
: >Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me.
:
: I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the
: coverage. I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage
: of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting
: back to the puck.
Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it just
Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of you
who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the
production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even
reaped any $ made... | 17 | trimmed_train |
10,695 | Hello Netters,
I would like to find out information about a device that is used on vans and
trucks. This device is a step that hooks onto the tire and folds up for
storage. I've seen this device on TNN's Shady Tree Mechanic. I would like to
know if it is a good product and I would also like the price and address
of where I can purchase this product.
Thanks, | 4 | trimmed_train |
9,269 |
Many people responded with more anecdotal stories; I think its safe to
say the original poster is already familiar with such stories.
Presumably, he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about
MSG making people ill.
Similarly, debunking such claims without doing research (whether
literature and lab), is equally beside the point. The original poster
no doubt already knows that some people think 'Chinese Restaurant
Syndrome' is bogus.
Placebos are all very interesting, but irrelevant to the question of
what effects MSG has. You could have real effects *and* placebo
effects; people may have allergies in addition.
Have you read Olney's work? I fail to see how citing results from
peer-reviewed studies qualifies as "bizarrely cracked".
Tests have been done on Rhesus monkeys, as well. I have never seen a
study where the mode of administration was intra-ventricular. The Glu
and Asp were administered orally. Some studies used IV and SC.
Intra-ventricular is not a normal admin. method for food tox. studies,
for obvious reasons. You must not have read the peer-reviewed works
that I referred to or you would never have come up with this brain
injection bunk.
Pardon me, but where are you getting this from? Have you read the
journals? Have you done a thorough literature search?
But, you're right, mice aren't the best to study this on. They're four
times less sensitive than humans to MSG.
The point is exceeding the window. Of course, they're amino acids.
Note that people with PKU cannot tolerate any phenylalanine.
Olney's research compared infant human diets. Specifically, the amount
of freely available Glu in mother's milk versus commercial baby foods,
vs. typical lunch items from the Standard American Diet such as packaged
soup mixes. He found that one could exceed the projected safety margin
for infant humans by at least four-fold in a single meal of processed
foods. Mother's milk was well below the effective dose.
Between who? Over what? I would be most interested in seeing you
provide peer-reviewed non-food-industry-funded citations to articles
disputing that MSG has no effects whatsoever.
Hmm. ".com". Why am I not surprised? | 19 | trimmed_train |
11,064 | & Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models
& really mean.
& Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L
& and P in Suzuki VS750GLP
Honda: a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
"CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine.
"R" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike.
"CL" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes
"CM" was a "custom" street bike
"CR" is dirt only two strokes
"XL" is dual purpose bike
"XR" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has
an "L" as a suffix.
"GL" is a touring bike
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10,396 |
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One case of Slovenian paranoia.
Once upon a time a tried to walk over the (famous) Marathon field, not far away
from Athens. I could not do that mostly becouse the field is now a huge
antenna farm. Probably a Greek COMINT installation, would you agree?
--
Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic
J. Stefan Institute | Internet:[email protected]
University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199
SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request | 7 | trimmed_train |
241 |
There was an article on clari.news.religion in the last few days about a
Polish tribunal decision. It said that crucifixes and religious classes in
public schools were okay; and that children who did not want to take religion
class could not be forced to take an ethics class as a substitute. | 0 | trimmed_train |
2,035 |
The problem is that the pins in the ADB connector
are close to each other, and if you happen to bend the
cable a little while inserting it, you short the ADB
port. If you take it to an Apple Repair Centre, that
means a new motherboard (though a component replace IS
physically possible)
Same goes for serial ports (LocalTalk as well)
Cheers,
/ h+
--
-- Jon W{tte, [email protected], Mac Hacker Deluxe -- | 14 | trimmed_train |
1,587 | Was going over some videos last night.....
Studying 1986 and 1992 videotapes of Jose Canseco proved to be very
interesting. And enlightening.
Here's my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep '92, and Jose Canseco,
circa June 1986.
1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds,
not gain more bulk.
2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's
lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed.
3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like
Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is
released. Downing could do this without significant head movement -
Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his
stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes,
they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard
to make adjustments in your swing.
What would I do, if I were Jose?
Aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that I could never touch,
so that I'd never have to work again, I'd restructure my entire swing.
First, minimize movement before the swing. Close and widen the stance,
and severely cut down the stride I take on my swing. Hopefully, this
will cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move
the bathead more freely.
Second, drop 20 pounds. Cut out the weight work.
Third, relax the wrists. Will cost some power, but until I can find
my 1988 stroke, concentrate on keeping the back shoulder up, rolling
the wrists through the strike zone, and hit line drives. His strength
is more than enough so that some of those line drives will get out of
the park.
If Canseco's open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back
problems, he'll be out of baseball in three years. If not, he could
still hit 600+ HR.
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2,943 |
That's a typical claim, though they say they've improved
compression speed considerably. Did you find out anything else
about the book? I'd be interested in looking at it if you could give me
any pointers.
Reportedly, early fractal compression times of 24-100 hours used
that marvelous piece of hardware called "grad students" to do the
work. Supposedly it's been automated since about 1988, but I'm still
waiting to be impressed. | 1 | trimmed_train |
10,523 | Rob Butera asks about a book called THE LOST YEARS OF JESUS, by
Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
I do not know the book. However, Miss Prophet is the leader of a
group (The Church Universal and Triumphant) derived from the I AM
group founded by a Mr. Ballard who began his mission in the 1930's
(I am writing this from memory and may not have all the details
straight -- for an old account, check your library for a bnook by
Marcus Bach) after an eighteenth-century Frenchman appeared, tapped
him on the shoulder, and offered him a cup of "cosmic essence." A
major tenet of the movement is that there is a monastery in the
mountains of Tibet from which a monk descends to the lower altitudes
every few centuries to preach, and that all major religions have
been founded by monks from this monastery. Typically, the Ballard
family and their successors, the Prophet family (related by
marriage, if I remember aright), base almost all their teachings on
messages they have allegedly received by telepathy from Tibet. I
should be surprised if the book you mention has any scholarly basis. | 0 | trimmed_train |
11,233 | # ## Face it, Clayton, he was not found guilty, and so what if gays sometimes
# ## make it consensually with 16 year old boys. There ARE 16 year old gays, you
# ## know. And as I recall, the case of the state rested on the testimony of one
# ## "victim" who declined to testify, even under threat. I have had teens since
# ## I was 40, and so have a lot of people. Face it Clayton, you're just a jerk!
# ## -RSW
# ## --
# ## * Richard STEVEn Walz [email protected] (408) 429-1200 *
# ## * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are *
# ## * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* *
# #
# #I am always amazed to see people admit to breaking the law -- and
# #putting their address in the signature. Please tell us more about
# #this. Were they 13? 14? Would you like to make a statement for
# #the district attorney?
#
# I had sex with a 13 year old boy, it was great, we did *everything*,
# well, a hell of a lot. It was fun anyway. Oh, and before you turn
# purple with rage I was 12 at the time.
# #--
# #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
The Walz monster above, however, was past 40 when he molested these
kids, as he says above. | 13 | trimmed_train |
9,580 | hand.
Land Crusier is just simply nice with shit-load of power and room.
Fully stocked, it cost ~$40,000. I think it is worth the money.
Only problem is when you get into accident(it doesn't usually break down
unless you forget to get a oil change for 30000 miles or something
stupid like this), body parts and other parts are very hard to locate.
Parts are over priced also. One of my friend had accident in past snow
storm and he is still waiting for front bumper and passenger side fender.
Well, if you test drive Land Cruiser, all other SUV look like toys.
One of magazine writer called it "Land Bruiser".
If you have $40,000 to spare for SUV, get Land Cruiser and forget Lange Rover. | 4 | trimmed_train |
7,902 |
(1) Stephen said you took a quote out of context
(2) You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article
(call it A) that took a quote out of context
(3) But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the
lack of X (a common creationist error)
(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the
conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A
(5) You asked Stephen to explain why you were wrong and they were OK,
or to acknowledge that he was being a hypocrite.
(6) Both of the choices you give Stephen assume that he condoned
taking quotes out of context in A.
(7) I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins
"Could you please explain ..." was not a nonsequitur, but was intended
to follow from the sentence that preceded it.
(8) Therefore, I concluded that you believed that (2) implied that Stephen
condoned taking quotes out of context in A
(9) But we've already seen that (2) does not imply this
(10) Therefore, you were incorrect to believe that (2) implied that Stephen
thought it was okay to take quotes out of context in A, and were
making an error of a kind that is frequently made by creationists.
Is that better Jim? It's called an argument. If you disagree with it,
explain why the argument is not sound. (I admit that my assumption in (7)
may have been a bit hasty.) If you agree with it, just say "yup." | 15 | trimmed_train |
4,094 |
Could you expand on your definition of knowing? It seems a bit monolithic
here, but I'm not sure that you intend that. Don't we need, for example, to
distinguish between "knowing" 2 plus 2 equals 4 (or 2 apples plus 2 apples
equals 4 apples), the French "knowing" that Jerry Lewis is an auteur, and
what it means to say we "know" what Socrates said?
| 8 | trimmed_train |
1,581 |
With relays alone, you will always get a transient when
you abruptly turn ON or OFF any channel. If you don't want to hear
the transient, use some other device (a photoresistor-output optoisolator
is the usual sort of thing) to gently MUTE the signal, then switch,
THEN remove the power from the lamp in the optoisolator.
It used to be standard practice to employ photoresistors
in switching audio, because the photoresistor time delay (a few
thousandths of a second) kept any noise in the digital side (which
drives the lamp) from contaminating the audio. And, the devices
are cheaper than relays. | 11 | trimmed_train |
9,233 |
To which Mark Ira Kaufman responds:
Mark,
Were you one of the millions of Americans cheering the slaughter of Iraqi
civilians by US forces in 1991? Your comment could also apply to all of
them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being,
including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department)
Peace.
-marc
| 6 | trimmed_train |
3,777 | 88 toyota Camry - Top Of The Line Vehicle
blue book $10,500
asking 9,900.
73 k miles
auto transmission
Has Everything!
owned by a meticulous automoble mechanic
call (408) 425-8203 ask for Bob. | 5 | trimmed_train |
10,401 | [deletion]
: >Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it
: >was posted encrypted?
: >
: >These issues are not as seperable as you maintain.
: >
: Now why would anyone "post" anything encrypted? Encryption is only of
: use between persons who know how to decrypt the data.
: And why should I care what other people look at? | 7 | trimmed_train |
6,294 |
this is a tesrt
s
| 13 | trimmed_train |
4,338 | From Israeline 4/16
Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car
Bomb Explosion
Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car
bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and
wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of
a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas
exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the
other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an
Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement.
An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may
have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at
the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the
blast suffered light to moderate injuries.
The Arab that was killed was a probably from the Mossad so it is not count
as a murder.
Naftaly
-----
| 6 | trimmed_train |
3,978 |
Prestone. I buy it at ShopKo for less
than that a _gallon_. BMW has even more
expensive stuff than Kawasaki (must be
from grapes only grown in certain parts of
the fatherland), but BMW Dave* said "Don't
worry about it -- just change it yearly and
keep it topped off". It's been keeping
Gretchen happy since '87, so I guess it's OK.
Kept my Rabbit's aluminum radiator hoppy for
12 years and 130,000 miles, too, so I guess
it's aluminum safe.
*Former owner of the late lamented Rochester
BMW Motorcycles and all around good guy.
--
Pooder - Rochester, MN - DoD #591
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"What Do *You* Care What Other People Think?" -- Richard Feynman
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I share garage space with: Gretchen - '86 K75 Harvey - '72 CB500 | 12 | trimmed_train |
3,066 |
Check out the DIABETIC mailing list -- a knowledgable, helpful, friendly,
voluminous bunch. Send email to [email protected], with this line
in the body:
SUBSCRIBE DIABETIC <your name here>
Also, the vote for misc.health.diabetes, a newsgroup for general discussion
of diabetes, is currently underway, and will close on 29 April. From the
2nd CFV, posted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and sci.med,
message <[email protected]>: | 19 | trimmed_train |
10,724 |
There are many organisms, viral, bacterial, and fungal, which can
cause meningitits, and the course of these infections varies
widely. The causes of bacterial meningitis vary with age: in adults
pneumococcus (the same organism which causes pneumococcal pneumonia)
is the most common cause, while in children Hemophilus influenzae
is the most common cause.
What you are describing is meningitis from Neisseria meningitidis,
which is the second most common cause of bacterial meningitis in
both groups, but with lower incidence in infants. This organism
is also called the "meningococcus", and is the source of the
common epidemics of meningitis that occur and are popularized in
the press. Without prompt treatment (and even WITH it in some cases),
the organism typically causes death within a day.
This organism, feared as it is, is actually grown from the throats
of many normal adults. It can get to the meninges by different
ways, but blood borne spread is probably the usual case.
Rifampin (an oral antibiotic) is often given to family and contacts
of a case of meningococcal meningitis, by the way.
Sorry, but I don't have time for a more detailed reply. Meningitis
is a huge topic, and sci.med can't do it justice.
| 19 | trimmed_train |
7,171 | Is there evidence independent of the FBI that indicates that the Branch
Davidians set the fire? What have the survivors said? Did the press see
anything?
There is, unfortunately, precedent for the U.S. government saving children by
roasting them alive. (There is precedent for religious self-imolation
as well.) | 15 | trimmed_train |
653 | Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't
with the Yankees any more. What happened to him?
Doug Dolven | 2 | trimmed_train |
1,834 | Does anyone on this newsgroup happen to know WHY morphine was
first isolated from opium? If you know why, or have an idea for where I
could look to find this info, please mail me.
CSH
any suggestionas would be greatly appreciated
--
"Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach
the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."
Sir George Head, OBE (JC) | 19 | trimmed_train |
4,974 | Hi !
I am using Xview 3.0 on a Sparc IPX under Openwindows along with a XVideo board
from Parallax which enables me to use 24 bit color. I am having some problems
utilizing the 24 bit color and would greatly appreciate any help in this matter.
I use Xview to create a Frame and then create a canvas pane inside which I use
to display live video. My video input is 24 bit color.
The problem is that my top level frame created as
frame = (Frame) xv_create(NULL,FRAME,NULL);
seems to have a depth of 8 which is propagated to my canvas.
I would like to know how I can set the depth of the frame to be 24 bits.
I tried using the following Xlib code :
XVisualInfo visual_info;
int depth = 24;
Colormap colormap;
XSetWindowAttributes attribs;
unsigned long valuemask = 0;
Window *win;
Xv_opaque frame;
win = xv_get(frame,XV_XID);
XMatchVisualInfo(display,screen,depth,TrueColor,&visual_info);
/* So far so good */
colormap = XCreateColormap(display,win,visual_info,AllocNone);
/* It dies here with a BadMatch error :( */
attribs.colormap = colormap;
valuemask |= CWColormap;
XChangeWindowAttributes(display,w,valuemask,&attribs);
XSetWindowColormap(display,win,colormap);
Am I using a completely wrong approach here ? Is it possible to set the depth
and colormap for a window created by Xview ? What am I doing wrong ?
Thanks in advance for any help that I can get. I would prefer a response via
email although a post on the newsgroup is also okay.
Thanks again,
Alok. | 16 | trimmed_train |
1,779 | +
+I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
+from any place that i want to go to.
Many private places ban bikes. For example, the famous 17 mile
drive at the Monterrey Peninsula. And I have stayed at resorts
that sported a "No motorcycles allowed" sign at the entrance.
And there have been public places. Call the AMA and ask for
Jim Bensberg (sp?) or any one else in their Legislative Office.
They will recound the many public places that they had to bring
to court to reverse their ban on bikes. That includes everything
from public parks to full cities. There are probably a few fights
on their books as we now speak. That is another good reason to
donate to their legislative fund.
____________________________________________________________________________
Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired -- R. Geis | 12 | trimmed_train |
5,142 | #
#I have a question regarding the processing of program arguments
#such as the -geometry option. Since this is a standard X option,
#I'm wondering wether I have to parse it manually or whether there
#is some predefined function that will do this for me?
#
If you are using the Intrinsics, it is parsed for you. If you are working
at the Xlib level, you can parse it yourself or you can use the following
bit of code.
static XrmOptionDescRec options[] = {
{"-geometry", ".geometry", XrmoptionSepArg, (XPointer)NULL}
};
#define Number(x) (sizeof(x)/sizeof(x[0]))
XrmParseCommand(db, options, Number(options), "MyApplication", &argc, argv);
Then use XrmGetResource() to retrieve the value and parse it using
XParseGeometry().
It is probably quicker to parse it yourself from argv, however, I much prefer
using the X resource management routines to do this.
Patrick L. Mahan
--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- [email protected] --------- | 16 | trimmed_train |
5,807 |
Actually, that is no longer true. In the last few years Congress has
ammended laws to provide whatever is needed. Note that both Spacehab
and Comet are funded this way.
The problems aren't legal nor technical. The problem is NASA's culture.
Allen
| 10 | trimmed_train |
8,302 | :I recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me
:intravenous Acyclovir.
:
:It was a pain finding IV sites in my arms...can I have some facts about
:how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral?
:
I think some essential information must be missing here, i.e., you must be
suffering from a condition which has caused immunosuppression. There is
no indication for IV acyclovir for shingles in an otherwise healthy
person. The oral form can help to reduce the length of symptoms, and may
even help prevent the development of post-herpetic neuralgia, but I
certainly would not subject someone to IV therapy without a good reason.
To address your more general question, IV therapy does provide higher and
more consistently high plasma and tissue levels of a drug. For treating a
serious infection this is the only way to be sure that a patient is
getting adequate drug levels.
| 19 | trimmed_train |
7,972 | Archive-name: x-faq/part4
Last-modified: 1993/04/04
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Subject: 80)! Where can I get an X-based plotting program?
These usually are available from uucp sites such as uunet or other sites as
marked; please consult the archie server to find more recent versions.
gnuplot X (xplot), PostScript and a bunch of other drivers.
export.lcs.mit.edu [and elsewhere]:contrib/gnuplot3.1.tar.Z
gl_plot X output only [?]
comp.sources.unix/volume18
graph+
yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au:/pub/graph+.tar.Z [131.170.24.42]
comp.sources.unix/volume8
pdraw,drawplot 2D and 3D X,PS
scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/3dplot.tar.Z [128.32.138.1]
scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/contour.tar.Z [128.32.138.1]
scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/drawplot.tar.Z [128.32.138.1]
uunet:~ftp/contrib/drawplot.tar.Z
xgraph plot, zoom. Outputs PS or HPGL.
shambhala.berkeley.edu:/pub/xgraph-11.tar.Z [128.32.132.54]
sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de:X11/contrib/xgraph-11.tar.Z [132.230.1.1]
nisc.jvnc.net:pub/xgraph-11.tar.Z [128.121.50.7]
comp.sources.x/volume3
or many other sites
ACE/gr (formerly xvgr and xmgr) XY plotting tools
ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34]
XView version: /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xvgr-2.09.tar.Z
Motif version: /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xmgr-2.09.tar.Z
[mirrored on export in /contrib/acegr]
XGobi An interactive dynamic scatter-plotting tool from Bellcore
lib.stat.cmu.edu: general/xgobi* [log in as statlib with your email
as the password; or send email to [email protected] containing
the one-line message "send xgobi from general"]
Information from: Debby Swayne, [email protected].
Robot a scientific XView-based graph plotting and data analysis tool
ftp.astro.psu.edu:pub/astrod/robotx0.46.tar.Z [128.118.147.28]
plotmtv a multi-purpose 2D/3D plotter
tanqueray.berkeley.edu:/pub/Plotmtv1.3.1.tar.Z
[2/91. Thanks in part to: [email protected] (Ed Vielmetti); [email protected]
(Geoffrey Leach); Paul A. Scowen ([email protected]); [email protected]
(Mike Black)]
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Subject: 81) Where can I get an X-based spreadsheet?
A version of "sc" for X and which supports Lotus files is available from
vernam.cs.uwm.edu in xspread2.0.tar.Z. It also includes graphing functions.
Information: [email protected].
The GNU package OLEO is available in prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/oleo-1.2.2.tar.Z;
it can generate PostScript renditions of spreadsheets.
Also:
Several of the below are part of integrated office-productivity tools which may
also include word-processing, email, conferencing, image processing, and
drawing/painting, among other features.
Vendor Product Contact Information
------ ------- -------------------
Access Technology 20/20 508-655-9191
Informix WingZ 800-331-1763
Quality Software Products Q-Calc/eXclaim 800-628-3999 (CA:213-410-0303)
Unipress Q-Calc 201-985-8000
Uniplex Uniplex 214-717-0068, 800-356-8063
Digital DECdecision 1-800-DIGITAL
Applix Aster*x 508-870-0300, 1-800-8APPLIX.
AIS XESS 919-942-7801, [email protected]
BBN Software Products BBN/Slate 617-873-5000 [email protected]
Elsid Software Systems Ripcam 613-228-9468
SAS by the SAS Institute now has a spreadsheet module; the X version is
available on the current popular RISC platforms.
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Subject: 82) Where can I get X-based project-management software?
Vendor Product Contact Information
------ ------- -------------------
Productivity Solutions Ultra Planner 617-237-1600
Quality Software Products MasterPlan Version, 310-410-0303 [email protected]
Digital Tools, Inc. AutoPLAN 408-366-6920, 800-755-0065
NASA COMPASS 404-542-3265,
[email protected]
GEC-Marconi Software Systems GECOMO Plus 703-648-1551
GEC-Marconi Software Systems SIZE Plus 703-648-1551
TEI, Inc VUE 408-985-7100
Mantix Cascade 703-506-8833
Advanced Management Solutions Schedule Publisher 800-397-6829
Auburn University ?? ??
[thanks to Pete Phillips ([email protected]); 7/92]
[thanks to Atul Chhabra ([email protected]); 10/92]
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Subject: 83) Where can I get an X-based PostScript previewer?
Ghostscript is distributed by the Free Software Foundation
(617-876-3296) and includes a PostScript interpreter and a library of graphics
primitives. Version 2.5.2 is now available; the major site is prep.ai.mit.edu.
[11/92]
GSPreview (by the Computing Laboratory of the University of Kent at
Canterbury) is an X user interface (WCL-based) to the Ghostscript 2.4[.1]
interpreter [5/92]. The source is available for anonymous ftp from
export.lcs.mit.edu as gspreview.2.0.tar.Z.
Ghostview (by Tim Theisen, [email protected]) is full-function user
interface for GhostScript. Check ftp.cs.wisc.edu or prep.ai.mit.edu for
/pub/ghostview-1.4.1.tar.Z [1/93]. There are also several executables available
on ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/pub/X/ghostview-exe for various architectures.
Also:
ScriptWorks is Harlequin's software package for previewing and printing
PostScript(R) descriptions of text and graphics images; previewers for X are
available. For information call +44-223-872522 or send email to
[email protected].
Image Network's Xps supports the full PostScript language and renders
in color, grayscale, or monochrome. Fonts displayed are anti-aliased. Info:
Image Network, +1 415 967 0542.
Digital's dxpsview runs on UWS 2.1 and 2.2.
Sun's pageview runs with the X11/NeWS server.
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Subject: 84) Where can I get an X-based GKS package?
The latest freely-available XGKS can be obtained from
[email protected]; this is a 2c implementation derived from the
X11R4 contrib XGKS from IBM and the University of Illinois. The release
is on unidata.ucar.edu [128.117.140.3] as pub/xgks.tar.Z. [12/90]
In addition, Grafpak-GKS is available from Advanced Technology Center
(714-583-9119).
GKSUL is available from [email protected] (ULowell CS department). It is
a 2b implementation which includes drivers for a variety of devices. It can be
passed an X window ID to use. The package includes both C and Fortran bindings.
[11/90; from [email protected] and from [email protected]]
An XgksWidget is produced by Neil Bowers ([email protected];
[email protected]); the latest [10/91] conforms with the new version of
XGKS (2.4). It is available on export in contrib/xgks-widget.tar.Z.
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Subject: 85) Where can I get an X-based PEX package?
The first official release of PEX is with X11R5; fix-22 brings the
Sample Implementation server to version 5.1.
The final PEX 5.1 Protocol specification is now available via anonymous
ftp to export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12), in the directory /pub/DOCS/PEX/.
Changes made from the Public Review draft are listed in the file "5.1P_changes"
in that directory. [9/92]
The final PEXlib 5.1 document is on export in pub/DOCS/PEXlib. [11/92]
There is now available from the University of Illinois an
implementation of the PEX 4.0 specification called UIPEX. It contains a "near-
complete" implementation of PHiGS and PHiGS PLUS. The file
pub/uipex/uipex.tar.Z is on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1); the porting platform
was an RT running 4.3. Questions and comments can to go [email protected].
In addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson ([email protected]) is
available on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to
include PEX in Xt-based programs.
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Subject: 86) Where can I get an X-based TeX or DVI previewer?
The xtex previewer for TeX files is available from a number of archive
sites, including uunet; the current version is usually on ftp.cs.colorado.edu
(128.138.204.31) in SeeTeX-2.18.5.tar.Z; pre-converted fonts are also on that
machine. The distribution all includes "mftobdf" which converts PK, GF, and PXL
fonts to BDF format, where they can then be compiled for use by your local X
server.
The xdvi dvi-previewer is fairly comprehensive and easy to use. It is
also available from a number of sites, including uunet and export.lcs.mit.edu;
current version is patchlevel 16 [12/92].
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Subject: 87) Where can I get an X-based troff previewer?
X11R4 has two previewers for device-independent troff: the supported
client xditview, and the contributed-but-well-maintained xtroff. An earlier
version of xtroff also appeared on the R3 contributed source. xditview is also
in the R5 distribution.
In addition, the xman client can be used to preview troff documents
which use the -man macros (i.e. man pages).
If psroff is used its output can be viewed with a PostScript previewer.
In addition:
xproof, an X previewer for ditroff has been contributed by Marvin
Solomon ([email protected]); version 3.5 is available on export in
contrib/xproof*. [8/90]
Elan Computer Group (CA: 415-964-2200) produces eroff, a modified
troff implementation, and Elan/Express, an X11 eroff previewer.
SoftQuad (416-963-8337; USA only 800-387-2777, [email protected] or
[email protected]) offers SoftQuad Publishing Software, including a substantially-
rewritten troff formatter, a better intermediate language with backwards
compatibility, and an X11[R3,R4] previewer. (This is the package adopted by
AT&T's own MIS department, and used in and re-sold by many parts of AT&T).
[information from Ian Darwin, SoftQuad ([email protected]) 3/90]
Image Network (1-800-TOXROFF; CA: 415-967-0542) offers the Xroff
package, which includes a fine modified troff implementation and a set of
X11-based page previewers. (This is the package OEM'ed by several hardware
vendors.)
[mostly courtesy [email protected] (Mark Moraes)] [2/90]
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Subject: 88)! Where can I get a WYSIWYG interface builder?
A new release of the DIRT interface builder by Richard Hesketh works
with X11R5 and includes some support for the Motif widget set. From the README:
This builder allows the interactive creation and rapid prototyping of X user
interfaces using the X Toolkit and a number of Widget Sets. Dirt generates
"Wc - Widget Creation" resource files and this distribution also includes the
Widget Creation Library (version 1.06, with the exception of the demos and
Mri/Ari source code) with the kind permission of its author David E. Smyth.
Check dirt.README, dirt.A2.0.tar.Z, and dirt.PS.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu.
The InterViews 3.0.1 C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG interface builder
called ibuild. ibuild generates code for an InterViews application complete
with Imakefile and an X-resource file. Documentation is /pub/papers/ibuild.ps
on interviews.stanford.edu (36.22.0.175).
Quest Windows's (408-496-1900) ObjectViews C++ package includes an
interactive building tool.
Druid (Demonstrational Rapid User Interface Development) runs on SPARC
machines using OSF/Motif 1.0; it is intended eventually to be a full UIMS but
apparently now has only support for creating the presentation components, for
which it generates C/UIL code. Info: Singh G, Kok CH, Ngan TY, "Druid: A System
for Demonstrational Rapid User Interface Development". Proc. ACM SIGGRAPH Symp
on User Interface Software and Technology (UIST'90). ACM, NY, 1990, pp:167-177.
The BYO interface builder is implemented in tcl.
Also:
In addition, these commercial products (unsorted) are available in
final or prerelease form [the * following the product name indicates that the
product is known to allow the designer to specify for each widget whether a
particular resource is hard-coded or written to an application defaults file,
for at least one form of output]. Some are much more than user-interface tools;
some are full user interface management systems; information on most is not
up-to-date:
Product Name Look/Feel Code Output Vendor
HP Interface Motif 1.1 C(Xm) HP/Visual Edge
Architect/ UIMX
OPEN LOOK Express OPEN LOOK C(Xol+ helper lib) AT&T /
Visual Edge
UIMX 2.0 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm + helper code) Visual Edge
514-332-6430
& distributors
VUIT 2.0 Motif 1.1 C/UIL[r/w] DEC
(1-800-DIGITAL)
X-Designer 1.1 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL Imperial
Software
Technology, Ltd
(+44 734 587055)
[email protected]
XFaceMaker2 (XFM2) * Motif 1.0 C;C/script (C-like procedural
language);C/UIL
NSL
(33 1 43 36 77 50)
[email protected]
Builder Xcessory 2.0 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL[r/w] ICS
Ada (617-621-0060)
[email protected]
XBUILD 1.1 * Motif 1.0 C(Xm); C/UIL Nixdorf
(617-864-0066)
[email protected]
iXBUILD Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL iXOS Software
[email protected]
089/461005-69
TeleUSE 2.1 * Motif 1.1.5 C(Xm); C/UIL[r/w]
Telesoft
(619-457-2700)
[email protected]
ezX 3.2 Motif 1.1 C(Xm +helper lib);C/UIL;Ada
Sunrise
(401-847-7868)
[email protected]
Snapix Motif C/Xm ADNT
+33 1 3956 5333
OpenWindows Developers OPEN LOOK GIL [-> C/XView] Sun
Guide 3.0 GIL [-> C++/XView]
GIL [-> C/OLIT]
GIL [-> C/PostScript for TNT]
ExoCode/SXM Motif C(Xm) Expert Object
ExoCode/Plus OPEN LOOK XView 708-676-5555
TAE+ Xw;Motif C(Xw,Xm); C/TCL (TAE Control Language,
like UIL[needs helper library]);
VAX Fortran; Ada; C++
Nasa Goddard
(301) 286-6034
MOB, XSculptor Motif; OpenLook C/Xm,UIL; C/Xol Kovi
408-982-3840
PSM PM, MSW 3.0, C/UIL Lancorp
Motif 1.1.2,Mac Pty Ltd.
+61 3 629 4833
Fax: 629 1296
(Australia)
MOTIFATION Motif 1.0|1.1.2 C(Xm) AKA EDV
+49 (0) 234/33397-0
+49 (0) 234/33397-40 fax
UIB Open Look/Motif C++(OI) ParcPlace
+1 303-678-4626
Look for magazine reviews for more complete comparisons of meta-file formats,
documentation, real ease-of-use, etc; Unix World and Unix Review often carry
articles.
In addition, Neuron Data (1 415 321-4488) makes Open Interface, a
window-system-independent object toolkit which supports interfaces which are
or resemble (supersets of) Mac, Windows, and Motif and Open Look; the package
includes an interface builder.
In addition, the GRAMMI builder supports the development of Ada/X
applications using its own set of objects which are planned to have a Motif
look. GRAMMI is written in Ada and generates Ada specs and stub bodies.
(1-800-GRAMMI-1).
In addition, these non-WYSIWYG but related products may help for goals
of rapid prototyping of the application interface:
WCL: the Widget Creation Library. Basically describes the widget
hierarchy and actions in a resources file; available from fine archive servers
everywhere, including devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.1.143) in pub/. Wcl provides
a very thin layer over Xt without any internal tweaking. Version 2.5 is current
[3/93].
WINTERP: an Xlisp-based Motif toolkit allows for interpretive
programming. The copy on the R4 tape is outdated; get a copy off export or
email to winterp-source%[email protected].
The Serpent UIMS permits the building of user-interfaces without
specific knowledge of coding but with an understanding of attributes being set
on a particular [Motif] widget. Beta Release 1.2 is available from
ftp.sei.cmu.edu (128.237.1.13) and can be found in /pub/serpent. Serpent is
also available on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.11) in /contrib/serpent. Email
questions can go to [email protected]. A commercial version of Serpent is
available as "Agora" from ASET, 221 Woodhaven Drive, Pittsburgh, PA 15228.
Garnet is a Common Lisp-based GUI toolkit. Information is available
from [email protected].
MetaCard is a hypertext/Rapid Application Development environment
similar to Apple/Claris Corporation's HyperCard ([email protected]). MetaCard
is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or
128.138.213.21.
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Subject: 89) Where can I find X tools callable from shell scripts?
I want to have a shell script pop up menus and yes/no dialog boxes if the user
is running X.
Several tools in the R3 contrib/ area were developed to satisfy these
needs: yorn pops up a yes/no box, xmessage displays a string, etc. There are
several versions of these tools; few, if any, have made it to the R4 contrib/
area, though they may still be available on various archive sites.
In addition, Richard Hesketh ([email protected]) has posted the xmenu
package to comp.sources.x ("v08i008: xmenu") for 1-of-n choices. [7/90]
Two versions of XPrompt have been posted to comp.sources.x, the latter
being an unauthorized rewrite. [R. Forsman ([email protected]), 1/91]
There is a version of XMenu available from comp.sources.x; it is
being worked on and will likely be re-released.
xp-1.1.tar.Z, xpick-1.0.tar.Z and xzap-1.0.tar.Z on export's contrib/
are tools by [email protected] which act as X versions of the
simple display and choice-making tools in K&P. [4/92]
xtpanel lets the user build a panel containing interactive objects such
as buttons, sliders, text fields, etc., either from the command line or using a
simple scripting language. It is available for anonymous ftp from
hanauma.Stanford.EDU (36.51.0.16) as pub/X/xtpanel.tar.Z and may also be found
in the alt.sources archives.
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Subject: 90) Where can I get an X-based debugger?
xdbx, an X interface to the dbx debugger, is available via ftp from
export. The current [1/91] version is 2.1 patchlevel 2.
An X interface to gdb called xxgdb is more like xdbx 2.1.2. It is part
of comp.sources.x volume 11 [2/91]; xxgdb-1.06.tar.Z is on export.
mxgdb is a Motif interface to gdb by Jim Tsillas
([email protected]); version 1.1.5 was released 1/93.
UPS is a source-level debugger which runs under the X11 and SunView
window systems on Sun and DEC platforms. It is available from export
(18.24.0.11) as contrib/ups-2.45.tar.Z (also ups-2.45-to-2.45.2.patch.Z)
and unix.hensa.ac.uk (129.12.21.7) in /pub/misc/unix/ups (or try mail to
[email protected]). [10/92] Unofficial fixes by Rod Armstrong
([email protected]) are on unix.hensa.ac.uk in
/misc/unix/ups/contrib/[email protected].
Also:
MIPS produces a highly-customizable (WCL-based) Visual Debugger.
You should be able to use Sun's dbxtool with its X11/NeWS server.
The CodeCenter (617-498-3000) source-level debugger, available on most
major platforms, includes an X-based interface.
AT&T offers the eXamine Graphical Interface, an X11 interface to dbx
and C++ dbx for Sun3 and Sun4 and sdb and sdb++ for 386 and 3B2 platforms. Call
1-508-960-1997 or contact [email protected] for more information.
Solbourne (+1 303-678-4626) offers PDB, its X-based debugger for C, C++
and Fortran. PDB uses the OI toolkit and runs in either Open Look or Motif
mode.
SCO ([email protected]) offers dbXtra as part of several development
systems.
Lucid's Energize Programming System, a tightly integrated development
environment for C and C++ programs, incorporates a graphical user interface on
top of an extended version of gdb. Info: [email protected], or
(800) 223-9322.
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Subject: 91)! How can I "tee" an X program identically to several displays?
There are several protocol multiplexer tools which provide for the
simultaneous display of X clients on any number of machines.
XMX (an X Protocol Multiplexor) is available from wilma.cs.brown.edu
(128.148.33.66) as pub/xmx.tar.Z It works independently of the server and does
not affect the application being shared; it was developed for use in the
electronic classroom.
XTV is a conference program which can be used to duplicate the
"chalkboard" on several displays. Release 1 is available on the X11R5 contrib
tapes; a more recent version is on ftp.cs.odu.edu as pub/wahab/XTV.r2.tar.Z.
SHX from Michael Altenhofen of Digital Equipment GmbH CEC Karlsruhe
also does this; it is a "WYSIWIS" (What You See Is What I See) package in the
context of a computer-based learning/training tool to provide online help from
remote tutors but is also useful for general window sharing. Information:
[email protected]. SHX can be found on export and
gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/shX.tar.Z,
crl.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/shX.tar.Z
Modifications to SHX for color mapping and private color allocation by
Mark J. Handley ([email protected]) are on cs.ucl.ac.uk in
car/shX.car.tar.Z.
XTrap is implemented as a server/library extension and can be used
to record and then replay an x session. It is available as:
gatekeeper.dec.com pub/X11/contrib/XTrap_v31.tar.Z
export.lcs.mit.edu contrib/XTrap_v31.tar.Z
wscrawl can be used as a "multi-person paint program". It's available
on sax.stanford.edu as wscrawl.shar.Z.
Shdr implements a simple shared whiteboard, without a chalk-passing
mechanism. It's available on parcftp.xerox.com as pub/europarc/shdr.tar.Z.
SketchPad 1.0 (3/93) is a distributed interactive graphical editor
particularly designed for sketching. Sources have been posted to alt.sources
and are available from ftp.igd.fhg.de (192.44.32.1) in ~ftp/incoming/sketchpad.
The NESTOR project is described in "Upgrading A Window System For
Tutoring Functions", Michael Altenhofen et al., the proceedings of the EXUG
Conference 11/90.
Also of use:
Hewlett-Packard Co. has a commercial product, "HP SharedX" which works
under HP-UX currently on their 300, 400, and 700 series workstations and their
HP 700/RX X Stations. Machines receiving shared windows can be any X server.
HP SharedX consists of a server extensions and a Motif based user interface
process. Contact your local HP sales rep. for more information.
IBM offers a commercial product.
Sun offers multi-user confering software called ShowMe.
InSoft (Mechanicsburg, PA, USA) offers multi-user confering software
called Communique.
[Thanks in part to [email protected] (Tim Scott), 5/91, and to Peter Cigehn
([email protected]), 8/92 ]
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Subject: 92) TOPIC: BUILDING THE X DISTRIBUTION [topic needs updating to R5]
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Subject: 93) What's a good source of information on configuring the X build?
This FAQ includes information on a number of "gotchas" that can bite
you on particular system. However, the best source of general information on
building the X11 release is found in the Release Notes. The file is bundled
separately from the rest of the release, so if it's become separated from your
sources you can FTP another copy separately: the file RELNOTES.[ms,PS,TXT] at
the top of the distribution. The file RELNOTES is also available from the
xstuff mail server.
In addition, O'Reilly & Associates's Volume 8 on X Administration
includes information on configuring and building X.
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Subject: 94) Why doesn't my Sun with a cg6 work with R5?
Apparently gcc is the problem; it seems to produce fine code for all
Sun displays except for the cgsix. The new sunGX.o distributed with fix-07
may fix the problem (note: not known to work on Solaris).
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Subject: 95) Why doesn't my Sun with SunOS 4.1 know about _dlsym, etc.?
If you get errors with _dlsym _dlopen _dlclose undefined, link with
libdl.a. Add "-ldl" to your and eventually your site.def. You may want to
surround it with "-Bstatic -ldl -Bdynamic" if you add it to the EXTRA_LIBRARIES
variable, since "syslibs" get added after EXTRA_LIBRARIES on the eventual
compilation command; otherwise you may not have a shared libdl. (Or compile
the stubs shared.)
[thanks to Joe Backo ([email protected]), 12/91]
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Subject: 96) What is this strange problem building X clients on SunOS 4.1.2?
In SunOS 4.1.2 Sun fixed a shared-library bug in ld which conflicts
with the way X11R4 builds the shared Xmu library, causing these symbols to be
undefined when building some X11 clients:
_get_wmShellWidgetClass
_get_applicationShellWidgetClass
Compiling "-Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic" appears to work.
To solve the problem if you are using OpenWindows 3.0 (X11R4-based Xt), please
contact your local Sun office and request the following patches:
Patch i.d. Description
100512-02 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 libXt Jumbo patch
100573-03 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 undefined symbols when using
shared libXmu
[Greg Earle, [email protected]; 7/92]
A source patch for use with the MIT X11R4 libraries was developed by Conrad
Kimball ([email protected]); it retrofits into R4 some fixes made in R5 to
get around this problem. The patch is on export in [1/93]
contrib/X11R4_sunos4.1.2_patch_version3.Z
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Subject: 97) Why can't gcc compile X11R4 on my SPARC?
I used gcc to compile the whole distribution, but I get several segmentation
faults when running X.
Note first that gcc on RISC machines does not necessarily result in
any performance increase; it certainly is not as noticeable as it is on the
680x0 or VAX platforms.
Here is the problem: gcc and cc use incompatible methods of passing
structures as arguments and returning them as function values, so when
gcc-compiled parts of X are linked with Sun-supplied functions that pass or
return structs, run-time errors occur. Affected programs include rgb and
the server.
This is from the GCC manual:
On the Sparc, GNU CC uses an incompatible calling convention for
structures. It passes them by including their contents in the argument
list, whereas the standard compiler passes them effectively by
reference.
This really ought to be fixed, but such calling conventions are not yet
supported in GNU CC, so it isn't straightforward to fix it.
The convention for structure returning is also incompatible, and
`-fpcc-struct-return' does not help.
You can duck the problem either by using cc throughout or by using it for just
the routines which cause incompatibilities; the problem cannot be solved with
compilation flags.
Files which need to be compiled using cc include:
server/os/4.2bsd/oscolor.c
rgb/rgb.c
In addition, several of the "inet_" functions use structs as args or
return values:
clients/xhost/xhost.c
clients/xauth/gethost.c.
Calls to inet_addr in /lib/CLX/socket.c and lib/X/XConnDis.c are possibly
harmless as they don't involve structs.
[collected by [email protected] (Don Bashford); 8/90]
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Subject: 98) What are these I/O errors running X built with gcc?
When I try to run xinit or the Xsun server I get the error
"Getting interface configuration: Operation not supported on socket.
Fatal server bug! no screens found."
Running the gcc fixincludes script apparently didn't work. You can do
this simple test:
#include <sys/ioctl.h>
SIOCGIFCONF
Run that through cc -E and gcc -E. The last line of output is the piece of
interest; it should be identical (modulo irrelevant differences like
whitespace). If the gcc version has 'x' where the cc version has 'i', your
fixincludes run didn't work for some reason or other; go back to your gcc
sources and run `fixincludes`; then rebuild the X distribution. If they are
identical, try running a make clean in mit/server and rebuilding, just to make
sure everything gets compiled with the proper include files.
[courtesy der Mouse, [email protected]; 9/90]
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Subject: 99) What are these problems compiling X11R4 on the older Sun3?
In mit/server/ddx/sun/sunCG3C.c, we have found "missing" defines for
CG3AC_MONOLEN, CG3BC_MONOLEN, CG3AC_ENBLEN, CG3BC_ENBLEN. What should these be?
The R4 Errata list distributed after X11R4 mentions that you can add
these lines to the file on older SunOS versions (e.g. 3.5) to compile:
#define CG3AC_MONOLEN (128*1024)
#define CG3AC_ENBLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN
#define CG3BC_MONOLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN
#define CG3BC_ENBLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN
However, the Sun3 should not actually ever have the CG3 device, and so
references to it can be removed from mit/server/ddx/sun/sunInit.c and the
Imakefile. [11/90]
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Subject: 100) What are these problems compiling the X server on SunOS 4.1.1?
The file <sundev/cg6reg.h> isn't being found.
Sun omitted <sundev/cg6reg.h> from SunOS 4.1.1. Remove the #include
from sunCG6C.c and replace it with the line
#define CG6_VADDR_COLOR 0x70016000
The file has changed from earlier versions of SunOS and should not be copied
from another distribution.
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Subject: 101) What are these problems using R4 shared libraries on SunOS 4?
All of the executables that I try to run have the following results:
ld.so: libXmu.so.4: not found
or even:
ld.so: call to undefined procedure __GetHostname from 0xf776a96c
If you are building with shared libraries on a Sun, remember that you
need to run "ldconfig" as root after installing the shared libraries (if you've
installed X on a file-server, run it on the server's clients, too). While
building and installing the distribution, you need to be careful to avoid
linking against any existing X shared libraries you might have (e.g. those
distributed with OpenWindows). You should make sure you do not have
LD_LIBRARY_PATH set in your environment during the build or the installation.
If you are going to keep xterm and xload as setuid programs, please note that
the shared libraries must be installed in /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib, or
/usr/5lib for these programs to work (or else those programs must be linked
statically). [courtesy MIT X Consortium]
Note also that the program mkfontdir is run as part of the build; it
attempts, however, to use the shared libraries before they have been installed.
You can avoid the errors by building mkfontdir statically (pass -Bstatic to
most C compilers).
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Subject: 102) Can OLIT programs run with R5 Xt? (_XtQString undefined)
This is a bug in the OLIT. _XtQString was an external symbol that existed in
X11R4 (upon which OW 3.0's libXt is based). It wasn't documented and was
removed in X11R5 (MIT's guarantee of upward compatibility between the R4 and R5
libraries only applied to the documented interface).
A workaround is to temporarily set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the X11R4
or OpenWindows Xt library that you linked the program against.
[10/92; from Barry Margolin ([email protected]); 3/93 from Jeff Francis
([email protected])]
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Subject: 103) How do I get around the SunOS 4.1 security hole?
There is a security problem with certain R4 clients (xterm and xload)
running under SunOS 4.1 that have been installed setuid root and are using
shared libraries; to avoid the problem, do one of these:
1) make the program non-setuid. You should consult your system
administrator concerning protection of resources (e.g. ptys and /dev/kmem) used
by these programs, to make sure that you do not create additional security
problems at your site.
2) relink the programs statically (using -Bstatic).
3) install the libraries before linking and link with absolute paths
to the libraries.
[from [email protected] (Bob Scheifler), 12/90]
The R5 version of xterm does this automatically by rebuilding xterm against the
newly-installed libraries when xterm is being installed; this prevents an suid
program from being built with libraries specified relatively. Note that this
may cause an inconvenience when doing the installation from NFS-mounted disks.
Xload has been rewritten to avoid the problem.
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Subject: 104) How do I get around the frame-buffer security hole?
On many systems the frame-buffer is unsecured by default; this permits
anyone who can log into your workstation to peek at your windowing session by
accessing the frame-buffer directly, or, as less of a privacy issue but perhaps
more annoying, to [accidentally] start up a second X session on your console
display. Check the man page for fbtab(5).
[Thanks to Art Mulder ([email protected]); 2/93.]
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Subject: 105) TOPIC: BUILDING X PROGRAMS
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Subject: 106) What is Imake?
Imake is not a replacement for the make program; instead, it is a
makefile-generator that takes advantages of the include-file and macro-
processing capabilities of the C preprocessor cpp to generate makefiles
suitable for building software on a particular system. Although it is not
specific to X, the X release uses it to help solve a number of the
configuration issues that arise in making such a large system widely portable.
Imake has a fairly steep learning curve, in part because the process by
which the system-specific configuration files, system-independent configuration
files, and individual Imakefiles are melded to produce a Makefile is not
obvious.
There have been several different versions of imake; the R3, R4, and
R5 versions are different.
You can obtain information on imake from these sources:
- the R4 and R5 release notes and imake man page include information on
using Imake to build X
- the R4 and R5 file mit/config/README also contains useful information
- on the R4 tapes, contrib/doc/imake/imake.tex is Mark Moraes' R3/R4
guide to imake.
- the R5 mit/doc/config/usenixws/paper.ms contains a paper by Jim
Fulton on an early version of Imake
- Paul Dubois ([email protected]) has written a useful
explanation of how Imake works and how to use it in configuring X for non-
supported systems; the document is available from ftp.primate.wisc.edu
in the directory ~ftp/pub/imake-stuff; look for config-X11R4.ms (troff) and
config-X11R4.ps (PostScript). Some supplemental appendices are nearby.
[7/91: document version is now 1.06] These imake papers are available by email;
mail a message body of "send imake-stuff help" to [email protected].
- see "System Administration - Imake: Friend of Foe?" by Dinah McNutt
in the November 1991 issue of SunExpert.
- German readers should expect in June 1992 an article "Das Meta-Make
/ I make, you make / Schwerelos" by Rainer Klute in "iX
Multiuser-Multitasking-Magazin", directed at application programmers needing to
write Imakefiles. An English-language derivative of this article is in The
X Journal, issue 2:1.
- The O'Reilly X Resource issue #2 contains Paul Davey's article on
demystifying Imake.
- Alain Brossard's working document full of tips on Imake is in
sasun1.epfl.ch:pub/imakefile.1.Z.
[1/91;12/91;5/92;8/92]
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Subject: 107) Where can I get imake?
Versions are distributed with the R4 and R5 releases. An earlier
version is distributed with the X11R3 release; some third-party toolkits
redistribute versions of imake along with their own implementations of the
template and configuration files. There are no real standards for such
configuration files, although most *current* contributed software expects the
templates distributed with X11R5.
export contains the R5 distribution unpacked, so you can pick up imake
without picking up the entire distribution.
A stand-alone version of Imake, but one stemming from X11R5, is in
ftp.germany.eu.net:pub/X11/misc/imake/imake-pure.tar.Z (192.76.144.75).
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Subject: 108) I have a program with an Imakefile but no Makefile. What to do?
If you have R4 or R5 installed on your system, run "xmkmf". This is a
script which runs imake for you with the correct arguments. The output is a
Makefile configured for your system and based on the Imakefile. Then run make,
which will use that new Makefile to compile the program.
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Subject: 109) Why can't I link to the Xlib shape routines?
When I try to compile certain programs, I get the following link error:
Undefined:
_XShapeQueryExtension
_XShapeCombineMask
These routines are actually part of the Shape Extension to X (SHAPE)
which was introduced in the MIT X11R4 distribution and allows non-rectangular
windows. Like the other sample server extensions, the shape extension will
only run on a server which supports it. Pre-X11R4 servers, as well as many
vendor-supplied servers, do not support the shape extension, in which case
they will display rectangular windows anyway.
In order to use the shape extension, you must link to the library
libXext.a. In the X11R4 distribution, this library and the associated includes
will be in the mit/extensions directory. If you do not have these files, do
not despair: many freeware programs which use the shape extension can also be
compiled without it by removing the -DSHAPE define from the Makefile; you can
probably do this and compile successfully against your older vendor-supplied X
libraries.
[from John B. Melby, melby%[email protected], 3/91]
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Subject: 110) What are these problems with "_XtInherit not found" on the Sun?
When I run a X program that I wrote on a SunOS 4.0.3 or 4.1 machine I get the
error "ld.so: symbol not found _XtInherit".
What you are seeing is a side-effect of a kludge in the R4 libXt.a to
get Sun shared libraries working. Apparently, you can't share a function that
is both called and compared, as _XtInherit is. This was handled by putting
_XtInherit in the same file as a function that is always used, thereby
guaranteeing that it would be loaded -- that is, in Initialize.c, where
XtToolkitInitialize() and XtInitialize() reside. These routines would normally
be called.
You are probably seeing this error because your program is not a normal
Xt-based program and does not call XtToolkitInitialize() anywhere.
1) it may be a program that uses Xt functions but never opens a
connection to the X server. [OSF/Motif's 1.1.0 UIL had this problem; it called
XtMalloc() and other Xt functions.] The solution is to add the call to your
program; the function does not have to be executed, just linked in.
2) alternatively, your program doesn't need any Xt functions and is
correct in not calling XtToolkitInitialize() -- it may be an Xlib or XView
program. In this case, you can remove -lXt from your link command.
It should not be necessary to link the shared libraries statically,
although this will certainly solve the problem.
[from Jordan Hayes (now [email protected]) and Danny Backx ([email protected]);
11/90]
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Subject: 111) Why can't I compile my R3 Xaw contrib programs under the new X?
I have a program that worked well under X11R3. When I try to link it under
the current version of X, I get this message:
Undefined:
_XtScrollBarSetThumb
_XtTextSetInsertionPoint
_XtTextReplace
There were several name changes in the Athena widget set (in addition
to the header files moving into <X11/Xaw/>); these are mentioned in the R4
release notes. In this case, these functions are not really Xt functions but
are part of the Xaw text widget and so have been renamed from Xt* to Xaw*.
[10/90]
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Subject: 112) TOPIC: PROGRAMMING PROBLEMS AND PUZZLES
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Subject: 113) Why doesn't my program get the keystrokes I select for (sic)?
The window manager controls how the input focus is transferred from one
window to another. In order to get keystrokes, your program must ask the
window manager for the input focus. To do this, you must set up what are
called "hints" for the window manager. If your applications is Xlib-based, you
can use something like the following:
XWMHints wmhints;
...
wmhints.flags = InputHint;
wmhints.input = True;
XSetWMHints(dpy, window, &wmhints)
If your application is based on the Xt Intrinsics, you can set the XtNinput
resource to be True (as you probably want to in any case); if you don't have
source, you can start up the application with the resource '*input:True'.
Certain window managers, notably dxwm and olwm, are very picky about having
this done.
If you are using Sun's OpenWindows olwm, you can also add this resource
to your defaults file to use clients that aren't ICCCM-compliant.
OpenWindows.FocusLenience: true
[mostly courtesy Dave Lemke of NCD and Stuart Marks of Sun]
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Subject: 114) How do I figure out what window manager is running?
You can't reliably tell; whatever mechanism you could use could be
spoofed in any case.
For most cases, you shouldn't care which window manager is running, so
long as you do things in an ICCCM-conformant manner. There are some cases in
which particular window managers are known to do things wrong; checking for
particular hints placed on the window by the window manager so that you can
sidestep the problem may be appropriate in these cases. Alternatively, it may
be appropriate to determine which window manager is running in order to take
advantage of specific *added* features (such as olwm's push-pin menus) in order
to give your program *added* functionality. Beware of usurping the window
manager's functions by providing that functionality even when it is missing;
this surely leads to future compatibility problems.
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Subject: 115) Is there a skeleton X program available?
There is no general framework such as the TransSkel program for the
Macintosh which handles lots of the odds and ends and overhead of development
under a window system and which can be used as a platform for additional
development. In X, the problem is typically solved by using an interactive
application builder tool or by using cut&paste on existing X applications. Good
applications which you might look to manipulate when you want to "test just
this one little thing" include contrib/clients/xskel, a simple R4 program that
puts up a window and allows sketching in it and offers a starting point for
quick hacks, the Xaw examples in the examples/ directory in the R3 and R4
distributions, and the Xlib "Hello World" example in the R3 doc/HelloWorld and
R4 doc/tutorials/HelloWorld; an updated version of this program which uses R4
Xlib calls and current ICCCM conventions was posted in 2/90 to comp.windows.x
by Glenn Widener of Tektronix. [3/90]
In addition, a sample Xt program (for Xaw or Xm) by Rainer Klute
showing how to open multiple displays and how to catch a broken display
connection is available on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/mdisp.tar.Z. [4/92]
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Subject: 116) Why does XtGetValues not work for me (sic)?
The XtGetValues interface for retrieving resources from a widget is
sensitive to the type of variable. Your code may be doing something like this:
{
Arg args[3];
int i;
int sensitive; /* oops; wrong data type */
i=0;
XtSetArg (args[i], XtNsensitive, &sensitive); i++;
XtGetValues(widget, args, i );
...
}
But XtNsensitive is a Boolean, which on most machines is a single byte;
declaring the variable "sensitive" as Boolean works properly. This problem
comes up often when using particular toolkits that redefine the Xt types
Dimension and Position; code that assumes they are int will have similar
problems if those types are actually short. In general: you are safe if you
use the actual type of the resource, as it appears in the widget's man page.
[11/90]
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Subject: 117) Why don't XtConfigureWidget/XtResizeWidget/XtMoveWidget work?
You're probably trying to use these functions from application code.
They should be used only internally to widgets; these functions are for a
parent widget to change the geometry of its children. Other promising
functions, XtMakeGeometryRequest() and XtMakeResizeRequest(), are also for use
only by widgets, in this case by a child to request a change from its parent.
The only way for your application to request a geometry change for a
widget is to issue an XtSetValues call setting some of the geometry resources.
Although this will result in the widget-internal functions' being called, your
application code must use the standard XtSetValues interface or risk the
widgets' data becoming corrupted.
[The Xlib calls XMoveWindow() and XResizeWindow() should similarly be
avoided; they shouldn't be used to change XtNx, XtNy, XtNwidth, or XtNheight.]
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Subject: 118) Why isn't there an XtReparentWidget call like XReparentWindow?
Although there are various details of the current implementation of
the Xt internals which make reparenting difficult, the major reason that no
such call exists is that it remains undefined what the set of resources for
the "new" widget should be. Resources are typically set based on the location
in the instance hierarchy; what resources should change if the instance moves?
What should happen to the widget's children? And by the time such semantics are
defined, there would probably be little advantage over destroying the old
widget and creating a new widget in the correct location with the desired
resources, as setting the resources correctly is the majority of work in
creating a new widget.
Note that reparenting is possible in the OI toolkit.
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David B. Lewis faq%[email protected]
"Just the FAQs, ma'am." -- Joe Friday | 16 | trimmed_train |
7,346 | The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time.
When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front
from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and
all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely
doomed.
Other than that, I guess they're OK.
-- | 2 | trimmed_train |
7,215 |
I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure.
Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon .
David
| 7 | trimmed_train |
9,850 |
Hmm, here are a couple:
1) If the algorithm becomes known, it will be easy to produce
pin-compatible non-crippled chips that provide -real- encryption and
privacy, because their keys are only in their users' hands.
2) Since SkipJack is a symmetric key cypher, it needs some way to
agree on a session key. The released information says that any
protocol may be used (e.g., DH). From a theoretical point of view,
this is probably true. However, from a practical point of view, those
chips must have some kind of key exchange protocol built-in. What if
it is good old RSA? This will mean that the producer will have to pay
lots of bucks to PKP. By keeping the details secret this can be
avoided...
Regards,
Vesselin | 7 | trimmed_train |
7,634 | I've got the same problem; I can't dig up any info on the jumper settings
on the hd 3.5" drives.
Can anyone recommend a reference book(s) on the subject, rather than a
"quick fix" type answer?? I was going to start hooking up things and
logging the results, but the prospect of a ten second smoke test deters
me...
Thanks, Kirk Cowen. | 11 | trimmed_train |
9,731 | Danny Rubenstein, an Israeli journalist, will be speaking tonight
(Wednesday, 7:30 pm) on the messy subject of politics in Israel.
He is speaking at Hillel on the U.C. Berkeley campus. The talk is
sponsored by the Berkeley Israel Action Committee (IAC). | 6 | trimmed_train |
861 | Bingo.
Nothing evil at all. There's no actual harm in what they're doing, only
how they represent it.
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.sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one. | 10 | trimmed_train |
8,690 |
Well, if things were different and I had my way, the headline would be: "NHL,
European Division regular season game: Stockholm Storm vs. Helsinki Tornado
4-3..." Two games against every North American-based team (46 in all), and this
might have been the ninth and final regular season encounter between Helsinki
and Stockholm. The remaining 27 games would involve Paris, Dortmund, Milan...
A nice dream.
MARCU$ | 17 | trimmed_train |
1,257 |
Where can I buy or build a device that will convert 20 ma
current loop signals to RS232 voltages? I know some old terminals
came with that option, but none of the ones I own have that. Anyway,
I want to connect a computer to this old industrial computer to use
the computer with communications software as a console instead of
an old DecWriter. Please e-mail me if you have any info that would
point me in the right direction.
| 11 | trimmed_train |
386 | Sci.E(E) netters:
I am setting out to build and market a small electronic device that
requires an LCD display. All of the analog electronics are working
fine, I have ordered a PIC ICE (not vice versa) since the PICs are so
cheap and low-power, but I am having a devil of a time finding any
LCD displays in the 6-8 digit range that are priced as low as I need. I
am looking for somthing in the range of $1 in quantities of about
1000-10,000.
Mainstream distributors like Almac cannot help me without a part
number, or when they do look around for something in their line
they find a $15 8-digit LCD. Even Digikey's cheapest offering is $5 in
quantity.
I know LCD displays like this must exist because I see whole
calculators for sale for $4.99, meaning the retailer probably buys it
for $3.50 and the wholesaler probably gets it for $2.50 or so. This
$2.50 includes assembly labor, packaging, sales, transportation,
import duties, the case and keyboard, the PC Board, the processor
chip, the solar cell --- and the LCD. The LCD can't cost much.
If anyone could put me in touch with some manufacturers and/or
distributors that handle such things I would be much obliged.
-Joe Betts
[email protected]
| 11 | trimmed_train |
5,712 | :
It's i before e except after c, and in people named kEIth.
Learn to spell. It's Ryne.
How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo.
***********************
1a) Darren Daulton * MVP 1993
***********************
| 2 | trimmed_train |
9,663 | I have a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet Series II Paper Tray for sale.
Its letter size (8.5 - 11), brand new in the box and never used.
I'm asking $40.00 (bought new at Ballard Computer for $65.95) | 5 | trimmed_train |
6,021 |
Okay Mr. Dyer, we're properly impressed with your philosophical skills and
ability to insult people. You're a wonderful speaker and an adept politician.
However, I believe that all you were asked to do, was simply provide scientific
research refuting the work of Olney. I don't think the original poster sought
to start a philisophical debate. she wanted some information. Given a little
effort one could justify that shooting oneself with a .45 before breakfast is a
healthy practice. But we're not particularily interested in what you can
verbally prove/disprove or rationalize. Where's the research? Where are the
studies?
I appoligize if this sounds flamish. I simply would like to see the thread get
back on track.
Lone Wolf | 19 | trimmed_train |
1,914 | Well, it's that time of year again here at IU: graduation.
Unfortunately, this means that I am out of here, more than likely for
good. I cannot say if I'll be in here under another username or not, or
even if I'll ever get back in here at all. I am leaving this part of my
ministry to another brother, John Right. So, have fun and remember that
flaming can be considered slander. | 0 | trimmed_train |
3,548 |
backdesk.zip is on CICA, but I'm not sure of the whole directory.
Another to throw into the running is topdesk. It is alsow on CICA, but
I'm not sure where. It is more complicated then backdesk, but I've found
it to be more stable and more usefull. I recomend it to people who
have already used a virtual desktop. Oh yeh, It's free.
Copyright Microsoft and Sanford Staab.
| 18 | trimmed_train |
3,324 | Hello Everyone,
I have a Casio TV-470 LCD Color Television for sale. It
is in mint condition. Retail is $199 but I'm looking to
get about 1/2 of that for it, tops. Highest bidder in
a week gets it, assuming the highest bidder is at least $60.
TV comes with black case and uses 4 AA batteries. They also
sell AC adaptor. It has external jack for phones and external
antenna, etc. The picture is very good and it has electronic
tuning so you don't have to screw with tuning a picture in, etc.
I have the box and all documentation. This has seen less than
3 hours use as I have all but sworn off TV. | 5 | trimmed_train |
5,822 | > unsealed, it is CLEAR that Clinton and Reno supported an
> ILLEGAL raid. Did they not KNOW this?
> NO authority to use helicopters.
Sorry, I missed all this! Can you please give an update on
the warrant? I hadn't heard that it was unsealed. There
was no authority for a "no-knock?" This is news. How about
an OK for a wiretap? | 9 | trimmed_train |
7,259 |
When I was at the Texas Star Party a few years ago, the sky was so dark
that Venus did, indeed, cause light pollution until it set.
Even if the billboard were dark it could cause a problem. Imagine observing an
object and halfway through your run, your object was occulted!
I would guess that most of the people stating positive opinions are not
fanatically serious observers.
It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the
wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be.
George Krumins
--
| 10 | trimmed_train |
11,115 |
I live in Colorado, and have never heard of such a group. Obviously claims
that their posters are appearing "all over Colorado" are a tad overdone...
Hardly. Saying that homosexuality is a sin is a far cry from
"Working for a fag-free America". Saying that I wouldn't want
a homosexual babysitting for my kids doesnt mean I endorse
"Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash".
And now we have homosexual advocates telling us that if we don't teach
our kids that homosexuality is natural and a perfectly acceptable
alternative lifestyle, then they will have it done for us. No, thanks.
Absolutely. And the message is always, "go and sin no more". Not,
Go and do whatever "feels good".
This sounds real nice, but struck me as a little odd. You're
presenting yourself as if you were a straight Xian, who is sticking
his neck out and taking on the challenge of speaking out in support
of gays in the church. But I was under the impression that you
yourself are gay. That's all well and fine, but presenting yourself
as sticking out your neck to help "repressed others" seems a bit
untruthful under the circumstances.... | 15 | trimmed_train |
8,375 | I can tell you that when AMSAT launched some birds along a Spot satellite
(French), that during installation of some instruments on Spot 2, there
heavily armed legionaires who had a `take no prisoners' look on there faces.
Spot satellites are completely capable of doing some very good on orbit
surveillance.
BMc
-- | 10 | trimmed_train |
2,250 |
I'd personally prefer Buffalo-Boston, as a birthday gift from ESPN,
but I don't think the folks at ESPN will accomodate that for me ;-)
ESPN has this inexplicable affinity for the Patrick division, it
seems.
| 17 | trimmed_train |
6,517 | 1. Can low Voltage lights be controlled with an X10 module by putting it
before the transformer? It seems to work, even the dimmer works. Not very
reliable. Will it damage the module? Can it be done reliably?
2. I put a motion switch (Heath) to a low voltage light, it worked but now it is
broken, too much current? How can I get arround that?
3. How can I increase the intensity of a light using the X10 PC computer
interface without having it go 100% on first and then down. I am doing
my own programing, not the X10 program. | 11 | trimmed_train |
4,951 | If you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me:
EMail [email protected]
Phone (703)552-4381
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8,333 |
Lindbergh's flight took place in '27, not the thirties.
Could you give examples of privately funded ones?
Your logic certainly applies to standard investment strategies. However, the
concept of a prize for a difficult goal is done for different reasons, I
suspect. I'm not aware that Mr Orteig received any significant economic
benefit from Lindbergh's flight. Modern analogies, such as the prize for a
human powered helicopter face similar arguments. There is little economic
benefit in such a thing. The advantage comes in the new approaches developed
and the fact that a prize will frequently generate far more work than the
equivalent amount of direct investment would. A person who puts up $ X billion
for a moon base is much more likely to do it because they want to see it done
than because they expect to make money off the deal. | 10 | trimmed_train |
7,310 | The protocol/key-management description published so far is either
incomplete or incorrect. It leaves me with no idea of how the system
would actually _work_. I hope the CPSR FOIA request succeeds so that
we get full details.
Wouldn't it be easier just to ask [email protected]? ;-) | 7 | trimmed_train |
8,134 | My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
harm.
But I digress: I was riding near the (unpainted) centerline of the
roughly 30-foot wide road, doing between forty and sixty clicks (30 mph
for the velocity-impaired). The dog shot at me from behind bushes on the
left side of the road at an impossibly high speed. I later learned he
had been accelerating from the front porch, about thirty feet away,
heading down the very gently sloped approach to the side of the road. I
saw the dog, and before you could say SIPDE, he was on me. Boom! I took
the dog in the left leg, and from the marks on the bike my leg was
driven up the side of the bike with considerable force, making permanent
marks on the plastic parts of the bike, and cracking one panel. I think
I saw the dog spin around when I looked back, but my memory of this
moment is hazy.
I next turned around, and picked the most likely looking house. The
apologetic woman explained that the dog was not seriously hurt (cut
mouth) and hoped I was not hurt either. I could feel the pain in my
shin, and expected a cool purple welt to form soon. Sadly, it has not.
So I'm left with a tender shin, and no cool battle scars!
Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never
moved off course. The not inconsiderable impact did not push the bike
off course, nor did it cause me to put the bike out of control from some
gut reaction to the sudden impact. Delayed pain may have helped me
here, as I didn't feel a sudden sharp pain that I can remember.
What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if
it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the
thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a
blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?
I eagerly await comment.
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to
DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to
[email protected] | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . .
* SLMR 2.1a * "He's hurt." "Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor -- oh, right."
| 12 | trimmed_train |
311 | Reasonable doubt dates back to Human Rights. We are now in the time of
Civil Rights. Civil Rights are issued by the State with whatever strings
attached they choose as the Grantor of said rights. And if that means that
verdicts are determined by the needs of the state rather than by guilt or
innocence in a traditional sense, so be it. Being subjective rather than
objective may make it harder to anticipate what is right, and you may be
sacrificed for being wrong inadvertantly once in a while, but that really is a
small price to pay for the common good don't you think?
| 13 | trimmed_train |
1,021 | perhaps you can tell your friend that you feel pressured by his
continual discussions of this topic -- surely he doesn't feel you
should be _pressured_ into something you feel uncomfortable about
(since christianity should be a choice one should make on one's own).
please also realize that he is doing this out of friendship -- he
probably feels you are missing out on something great, and wants to
tell you about it. but since you know where you can learn about
christianity, you can tell him that it is now up to you to make that
choice, and if the choice is no, you should be respected for that.
personally i believe that a christian's mission is just to be
christ-like, showing his/her own faith and happiness in that faith,
and make sure people know they are welcome to talk to you about it. i
do not believe in imposing your beliefs upon others -- but then again
everyone's definitions of "imposing" may differ. | 0 | trimmed_train |
4,624 | :
: "But Hadas might be a fictitious character invented by the two men for
: billing purposes, said Mohammed Mehdi, head of the Arab-American Relations Committee."
:
: Tim
I would remind readers of the fact that the NY Daily News on March 5th
reported the arrest of Joise Hadas. Foreign newspapers reported her
release shortly afterwards. I can provide copies of the articles
upon request. | 6 | trimmed_train |
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1,592 |
My vote goes to Andy Moog 1st, Belfour 2nd, Vanbiesbrouck 3rd
The Bruin's are hot at just the right time !!!!!
rich beskosty | 17 | trimmed_train |
5,291 |
I don't know a great deal about the support for C++ in UIM/X, but I can tell
you that there is good support for it in TeleUSE. In TeleUSE you can call any
C++ method from a "D" module. What you can do then is to use the "D" language
for most of your interface code and then use C++ for you application code.
I should tell you that there is some real neat stuff coming out of TeleUSE soon
in regard to C++, but I can't give you many details. You should talk to your local sales rep and get the lowdown on what they will be doing in the near furture.
If you want example code of how C++ integrates with TeleUSE you should look at
$TeleUSE/examples/Thermometer
| 16 | trimmed_train |
449 |
yup. with onions, of all things. | 2 | trimmed_train |
3,177 |
Yes, absolutely, though I'd make the observation in a more general sense of
all observations are made by human beings and therefore made with various
biases.
But here your message leaves talk of hypothesis and gets back, once again,
to equating the business of science with the end result, the gizmo produced.
My point isn't so much whether or not you have a novel paradigm but *how*
you come about developing it.
Perhaps you'd admit that this is an oversimplification on your part (the topic
of the philosophy of science is made for them, I'm making them too) but I
think that it also summarizes popular misconceptions of science and the
business of doing science. Biomedical research doesn't make any basic
assumptions that aren't the same as any other discipline of scientific
research. That is, that you make empirical observations, form an hypothesis
and test it. Modern medicine has much more to do with biochemistry than
"the old Newtonian model of the world". And I doubt that many psychologists
would appreciate being put outside this empirical "world view". Psychology
also has more to do with biochemistry than spoon bending.
Oversimplified, of course, but a good example. This is an empirical observa-
tion. It was then tested, though perhaps not by Aristotle, and eventually
found wanting. In the meantime, some folk will
have continued to believe in the spontaneous generation of animal life.
There's nothing at all surprising about this, it's the way the gathering of
knowledge works. There are probably more than a few things in my own
discipline of molecular biology that will be found to be totally off-base,
even idiotic, to someone in the future. These future people won't have come
to these relevations because they had suddenly gone all Zen-like and had
a vision in an LSD trip. Someone will have thought of something new and
tested it. This is the bit that people who seem to relish misrepresenting
science and research can't seem to wrap their minds around. Science is a
creative process. What I think of as factual and good research can be totally
turned on its head tommorrow by new results and theories. | 19 | trimmed_train |
9,770 | Walter-
I tried several times in the past to communicate with you and Susan, but
you ignored me, and I don't honestly believe my letters were mean. Rather
I thought they were thoughtful and compassionate, but I see now what I should
have seen then. Call me naive.
I give up on this group. As my Lord advised, that if you are unwelcome in
a city then brush the dust of your feet and go on.
If anyone cares about the topic they write to me direct, if not, well,
may God bless you as well. | 15 | trimmed_train |
1,614 |
.
It's my understanding that the U.S. Supreme Court has never
given a legal definition of religion. This despite the many
cases involving religion that have come before the Court.
Can anyone verify or falsify this?
Has any state or other government tried to give a legal
definition of religion?
| 0 | trimmed_train |
3,518 |
By this, do you mean that you consider it absolutely impossible for the
media to be guilty of hypocrisy?
Note that the film industry in California traded their political support
for an "assault weapon" ban in the state for an amendment to the bill
exempting the entertainment industry from that very ban.
Note that the very issue of the Batman comic book ("Seduction of the Gun")
that was produced as a tool for gun-control organizations carries a back-
page ad for a "Terminator II" video game extolling the numerous and
varied sophisticated weapons available to the player.
Note that Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, publisher of the NY Times -- one of the
oldest and most incessant gun-control grinders -- himself carries a
concealed handgun.
Still, you find it completely incredible that these folks live by the
aphorism, "Do as I say, and not as I do."
-- | 9 | trimmed_train |
8,059 |
I would like to add my support for a misc.taoism discussion group.
I applaud the enthusiam shown by the person posting <[email protected]>
"[email protected]" (I read in alt.magick), but I differ
with him/her in believing that at least some minimal parameters
should be agreed upon.
But if we don't limit it to *something*, the discussion degenerates into
a big amorphous glob.
Other questions Thyagi proposes are:
It seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the
category of "general metaphysics". I would prefer any misc.taoism
to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated
with at least "semi-orthodox" Taoism: with established classic works
definitely included and works like Mantak Chia's argued about!
I think "neo-Taoism" should be excluded or get its own group (what I
mean by this is "Humpty-Dumpty Taoism", in which Taoism means whatever
a poster says it means.) This "alt.taoism" could also be a refuge
for debates about what "Taoism *REALLY* means" or speculations on sexual
alchemy, etc..
e.g. (from Thyagi again):
Kent gloomily predicts (quoting from Thyagi's article):
I think that discussions of this nature are not completely out of
place. What's happening is that that the term "Taoism" is becoming
completely polluted and trivialized like the words "magic", "Alchemy",
"Zen," etc., by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they
want. This is seen by the spate of new age books entitled "The
Tao of" this, that, and everything else. (With respect to some exceptions
like the books by Jou, Tsung-Hwa.)
Any other comments/ideas? I look forward to seeing them. On balance,
I say let misc.taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may. If
it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the
Tao of Sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to
these groups just as they do now.
-- | 15 | trimmed_train |
5,052 |
But Allen, if you can assume the existence of an SSTO there is no need
to have the contest in the first place. I would think that what we
want to get out of the contest is the development of some of these
'cheaper' ways of doing things; if they already exist, why flush $1G
just to get someone to go to the Moon for a year?
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden | 10 | trimmed_train |
8,580 |
My MDC cipher (which uses any one-way hash function as a CFB-mode stream
cipher, the current implementation uses MD5) uses a key of up to 2048 bits
(that is, you can use a 1-bit key if you want and copy it over the entire
2048-bit range, or you can use the entire 2048 bits). Runtime is
independant of key size, the system runs slightly slower than MD5 itself.
I presume RC2 and RC4 use a similar system (or possibly they just hash an
arbitrary-length key down to n bits, maybe 128, using something like MD5). | 7 | trimmed_train |
4,678 | I'm posting this for my Mom and Dad's neighbor. Please contact her
directly.
For Sale | 5 | trimmed_train |
7,122 | Have you checked out Adobe Illustrator? There are a few Unix versions
for it available, depending on your platform. I know of two Unix versions:
One for Mach (NeXT) and for Irix (SGI). There may be others, such
as for Sun SparcStation, but I don't know for sure.
ttyl,
| 1 | trimmed_train |
8,506 |
From a recent BYTE magazine i got the following:
[Question and part of the answer deleted]
If you are handy with a soldering iron, the loopback plugs are easy to
make. On a serial RS-232 nine-pin port, use a female DB-9 connector and
connect pins 1 to 7 to 8; 2 to 3; and 4 to 6 to 9. For serial RS-232
25-pin ports, you'll need a female DB-25 connector with pins 1 to 7;
2 to 3; 4 to 5 to 8; 6 to 11 to 20 to 22; 15 to 17 to 23; and 18 to 25
connected. To test a Centronics 25-pin parallel port, you'll need to
connect pins 1 to 13; 2 to 15; 10 to 16; 11 to 17; and 12 to 14 in a male
DB-25 connector.
-Stan Wszola
---
I haven't tried it. Use at own risk. | 3 | trimmed_train |
7,208 | Gordon Banks:
This certainly describes my situation perfectly. For me there is
a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat, which appears to
be totally limitless, and the purely conscious desire to not
put on too much weight. When I get too fat, I just diet/exercise
more (with varying degrees of success) to take off the
extra weight. Usually I cycle within a 15 lb range, but
smaller and larger cycles occur as well. I'm always afraid
that this method will stop working someday, but usually
I seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check.
This is one reason I have a hard time accepting the notion
of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting
(that results in long-term weight gain). I have been cycle-
dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change.
I think a vigorous exercise program can go a long way toward
keeping the cycles smaller and the baseline weight low. | 19 | trimmed_train |
7,714 |
I tend to use XIconifyWindow to achieve this effect... Have you tried that?
- Brad | 16 | trimmed_train |
3,892 | You should be ashamed to call yourself an Ulf Samuelson fan. Anybody who plays
the way he does, does not belong in the NHL. There have been cheap shot artists
through the history of the game, but a lot of them have been talanted players.
Bobby Clarke, Kenny Linsemen, Pie McKenzie, Chris Chelios etc.. but nobody has been
out right as dirty a cheapshot coward as Ulf. Violence in hockey has got to be curbed
and players like (Should have been a Women) Samuelson don't belong. When players
like Ulf, who's main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed
to continue, and the league won't stop it, the players should. A Christian Pro 1000
aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely. If the Bruins get
a chance to meet Pittsburgh in the near future, you can bet Neely will have his day.
The sight of watching Ulf turtle up like the coward he is, is worth almost as much as a
Stanely Cup. This wimp of a player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers
in the game. If you are to remove Ulf Samuelson from the lineup, the Penguins would not
even notice he's gone. He's an eyesore on the game of hockey.
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No, but I have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings.
I've never seen one that specifically provides the info that Davis insists
that he has, so I'd love to have a cite.
Wrong. There's one gun design where that can happen, and it is
supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber.
(Cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under
the hammer. In other words, it can be usefully carried in a safe
manner.) Other handgun designs don't have that property; if their
trigger isn't pulled, the hammer can't hit the firing pin.
The breakdowns that I do have include the above category. From them I
can safely say that if Davis is right in ALL of his claims, a large
negative number of people are killed by animals, because we know that
the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the
number of accidents due to gun failures (which is a superset of the
described circumstance) is near zero.
Please do. Include a cite for those of us who like looking at
context. Make sure that your source excludes other types of
accidents and suicides that are misreported. ("Gun cleaning
accident" is police-speak for "the family needs the insurance
money.")
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1,294 | Hi there,
I have a friend who'd like to get a hold of a bunch of those simple voice
recognition chips that Radio Shack used to sell (and no longer does). If
anybody knows of a source for these, please e-mail me. I'll forward the
responses to him.
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11,059 |
What do you mean "more comfortable putting it up to." That seems a bit
hard to evaluate. At least for me it is.
Stare straight Point with both hands together and clasp so that only the
pointer fingers are pointing straight forward to a a spot on the wall about
eight feet away. First stare at the spot with both eyes open. Now
close your left eye. Now open your left eye. Now close your right eye.
now open your right eye.
If the image jumped more when you closed your right eye, you are right
eye dominant.
If the image jumped more when you closed your left eye, you are left eye
dominant.
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Indeed! Word is, Intel's lawsuit against AMD was absolutely THROWN OUT of
court Monday! AMD said they would be shipping chips WITH THE INTEL INSTRUCTION
SET next week!!! 486 chip prices are going to go through the floor,
mark my words!!!
Regards,
Gordon.
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In the FBI briefing, no mention was made of having the fire starters in
custody.
not
Why not his mother? Why not the media?
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