mu/115913195.txt

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fresh cringe from Coachella
>“I don’t know if you’ve been checking the news and seeing what’s been going on in Florida and Missouri and some of the other places, but trans lives matter, trans kids matter,” Dacus said. “We’re gonna fight it. We love you.” Bridgers added: “And abortion rocks. And fuck Ron DeSantis.”
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>>115913195 (OP)
>“Abortion rocks”
If this bitch loves pills so much why is she so fat still?
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>>115913195 (OP)
>literal who troons say some dumb troon shit
more news at 11
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>>115913195 (OP)
>the smug, the dwarf, and the oaf
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>>115913195 (OP)
>trans lives matter, trans kids matter,” Dacus said. “We’re gonna fight it. We love you.”
That's fine. It's eloquent and tactful.
>and abortion rocks
God damn it
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You guys are such losers it's unreal
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>>115913195 (OP)
Meme music
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>>115913363
you have a penis and will always be a man
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>>115913195 (OP)
>And abortion rocks
Isn't Julie a christian?
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>>115913385
probably one of those tiktok church Christians
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>>115913195 (OP)
Why are there 3 guitars? Are you telling me this isn't actually a proper band? Tragically soulless
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>>115913430
What an equally blasphemic depiction of Christ.
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>>115913682
you are retarded if you think chuds are actually religious. at most they are intetested in the lore of a given religion
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>>115913707
I'm super Christian, but I'm not sure if I'm a "chud." What makes someone a chud?
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>>115913374
Yes that's true
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>>115913195 (OP)
more mid white woman pseudo-folk minivan music shilled by corporations. this band is irrelevant to anyone who isnt a white woman in american college town that wears denim jackets, pretends to smoke cigarettes for "aesthetics" and identifies as pansexual.
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>>115913735
Chuds are against socialism, don't believe in trans or queer rights, think women should stay at home and raise kids, support gun rights, etc. Basically they are pieces of shit.
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>>115913803
Cool, guess I am one then, and I will make it my goal to make your existence and people like you's existence a living hell
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>>115913836
How will you do that?
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>>115913195 (OP)
i don't see what's cringe about this? i don't even like boygenius but they're right
>>115913363
100%
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>>115913195 (OP)

>coachella

Its 2023, grandpa.
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>>115913850
saying nigger on the internet
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>>115913195 (OP)
>And abortion rocks.
I'm a big abortion enthusiast and I still cringed
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I want Phoebe to have my abortion
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I am an abortion and I still cringed
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I survived an abortion attempt on my life and I cringed so hard I died of an abortion
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I want to be phoebes abortion
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>>115913867
isn't the pro-abortion side always saying
>no one LIKES abortions! no one is happy about abortions! we just want them to be available for emergencies
then they turn around and say
>abortion rocks!!!
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the ogre on the right looks like she could abort an adult
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>>115913920
Kind of a dumb thing to say but women don't have abortions for fun. I assumed she meant the idea of having that option available and safe is what rocks.
--- 115913950
Honestly I think it's a pretty complex issue. It's certainly easier to transition if you start at a young age, but it also makes irreversible changes to your body that you may regret. Is that a freedom we should give to young children with still developing brains? How can you be so sure of such a big decision when you're 12, or younger even? How much of it is projection onto kids by zealous parents, and perhaps not even what the kid would really decide for themselves. It is really tough because I do believe it would improve some people's lives to help them transition earlier and more effectively, it just gets really muddy when you bring kids AND elective surgery in the mix. Like, kids can't even get tattoos in the US and that's WAY less impactful than gender reassignment or even just hormone treatment. I really don't know what the best way to legislate this would be.
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>>115913950
>Is that a freedom we should give to young children with still developing brains

The answer is obviously no, otherwise you would need to start questioning other age restriction laws
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>>115913950
>it's a pretty complex issue
No, it's not. Sterilizing kids before they can develop the biological and psychological drives to reproduce under the false pretense of providing them woth freedom of choice is morally wrong.
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>>115913950
nope. who is saying they are in a wrong body or sex or gender? the kids themselves? no, the activists. investigate the activists and theyre all pedo-phile, they seem very -morbidly- interested in child things, diapers, you name it. they wanna 'save' the kids (that arent even theirs) from a doomed future by applying irreversible chemical processes to them, because they know thats better for them, classic communist "savior" psyop: they know whats better for the dumb masses, and your kid too.
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>>115913735
Chuds are the opposite of humans being bros.
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>>115913950
Transitioning doesn't improve anyone's life. I'm sorry you've been lied to, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, but what are you going to do once you hit your 30s, 40s, 50s? This madness has to stop now, and I hope you wake up before it's too late (for you, I don't really care too much in the end)
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>>115913850
just voting conservative mexicans that will be X1000 harder on your degenerate ass than any recuckblican ever was, historically.
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>>115913950
I'm not against transgenderism if the person is 18 or over and understands the consequences of the decision, but it definitely is not something an underdeveloped mind would have the capacity to understand or should have the authority to determine. They don't let teenage boys get prescribed steroids (which is really providing extra testosterone, so hormonal treatment), so why should they let them be prescribed female hormones? It's reckless and harmful
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>>115913920
don't take it so literally, you don't actually think she's telling people to fuck DeSantis do you?
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if browsing the fag board has taught me anything is that trooning is 100% a form of schizophrenia, but since we have become very lax about mental illnesses lately, this isnt addressed or named or detected, but its all it is.
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>>115914128
it's becoming super cultish.
There's been a big problem lately with the trans community telling kids as young as 12 that their parents are abusive because they won't let them transition.
It reminds me of the US cults that showed up around the hippie movement
>your family is abusive. they don't understand. Come join us. We're your family now.
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>>115914143
The whole reason this is a question to begin with is that if you start transitioning when you're like 6, you can basically become indistinguishable from your intended sex, and this is essentially the goal for anybody who is transitioning. So yeah, there is a reason to consider this given that it's a time sensitive thing and in theory a trans person who transitioned in childhood may live a much happier, more fulfilling life because of this, opposed to someone who transitions as an adult. This constitutes an argument in favor as an appeal to utilitarianism. There are of course problems as previously stated, but if you can't see both sides then you are lost in the clouds of your own dogma.
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>>115914310
why should we allow 6 year old kids to make life changing decisions about their body and identity?
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>>115914310
it's unreal that you have a morality derrived rom pornography
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the trannies are propped up because any group with a narrative and practices that erode the nuclear family will. its needed for the "great reset".
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>>115914310
Do you think 6 year olds actually suffer from gender dysphoria
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>>115914262
itll end violently, theres no other realistic outcome to it.
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>>115914364
Exactly, that's why it's such a hard question imo. Because when that hypothetical kid turns 25, you have no clue whether they'd say 'I really wish I had been able to do that' or 'I really regret doing this'
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>>115914310
So what age should a child have a decision on whether they'd like to be killed?
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>>115914409
Mmmm I'm gonna say 10, nice round number
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>>115914406
>hard question
no such hard question here. its a pretty clear issue. children have no autonomy on their body, or sex, or making a bussiness, or signing a contract, or voting, because theyre still developing. you agree to one of that and need to make them full abled citizens at 5yo, with everything that entails.
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>>115914310
>if you start transitioning when you're like 6, you can basically become indistinguishable from your intended sex
No. No, you cannot. Maybe on pictures after careful appliance of makeup and choosing a good angle, but in real life, mostly anyone can tell. And even if they somehow couldn't, that's still only the case when you're young. Anyone's days of passing are over once they're in their late 30's.
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>>115913363
Not really, I’m pretty successful and fulfilled m8
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>>115914394
I'm looking forward to the detransition wave a decade or so from now when most troons in my generation realise that their ideology is a lie and they made an irremediable mistake.
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>>115913735
'Chud' is the anti-chad. Take everything that makes someone a chad, like being attractive or more relatably human, and the opposite of all those things makes a chud.
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>>115914506
Yeah but what other decision can you only make as a kid that literally the time limit will expire as soon as you go through puberty?
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>>115913363
I've actually never lost before
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>>115914576
but I've heard people call Henry Cavill a chud and he is clearly a Chad
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>>115914560
the poor fuckers will realize they were just used by Obama/Soros as a weapon
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>>115913950
The trans kids thing is a front for paedophilia, if kids can consent to being a tranny they can consent to "other" things. So the argument will go..
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>>115914394
This. Keep in mind a majority of trannies are "incel"-adjacent. There'll be a ton of mass shootings and mass murders (think families, etc.)
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>>115914611
Then they've used the term erroneously or are attempting to pervert the actual meaning.
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>>115914310
>basically become indistinguishable from your intended sex

So, a girl will being producing sperm now that's she's transitioned to boy? And the boy will have a functioning womb?

Oh wait, they won't. Because they'll never go through puberty, leaving them with shriveled useless genitals and no sex drive. 

Oh, and to add a whole new layer of irony -- since the boy's penis won't grow he won't enough material to construct a neovagina. So he won't even get to have the open wound he needs to dilate with a dildo for two hours every day.

Everything about transgenderism is monstrous. Pediatric transgenderism is fucking Satanic. 

I am telling you this as a gay male, we're not going to let you do this shit. We won't let you abuse children and drag LGB people down with you into your Hell. 

What troons need is 500mg of thorazine and an extended stay in a mental hospital.
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dont mind me, just posting transgender things
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>>115913195 (OP)
Based mu. Never change mu, never change.
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>>115914821
interesting, thanks for posting
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>>115914821
God I hate this AGP weasel
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>>115914821
Its Chud light guy!
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>>115914730
simple as
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>>115914821
God had the opportunity to put his body into shock and let him drown and He didn't. What the fuck man.
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>>115914172
Yeah this. I’m very pro-trans, but I cannot take trans activists seriously when they say that adolescents should undergo hormone replacement therapy because “puberty sucks”. If you wanna transition, you gotta at least love it out first before messing with your hormones like that. In that sense, you’d know whether or not it is a phase. It really sucks that the pro-trans side is not acting rationally and not addressing severe moral repercussions seriously because all it’s doing is just enforcing others’ transphobia. If the trans activists are promoting dumb shit, then you’re going to think that trannies are mentally I’ll with an IQ 20 points substandard to a cisgendered person. It’s really sad, but that’s the problem of being on Tumblr echo chambers. Any actual wisdom from the academics who are supposedly indoctrinating our kids gets thrown out the fucking window (no one reads primary sources on this anymore. Judith Butler is actually pretty based in her takedown of idpol and political correctness), so people just argue from their convictions, which doesn’t do anyone good.
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>>115914821
I hate this new Aphex Twin video
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I'm sure Ron is shaking in his boots and is rewriting all the laws right now.

>ph*Ebe br*Dgers
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lol corny woke leftshits
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I think it's cringier to take away people's human rights
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Honestly, I kinda miss the days where music artists said the worst shit ever and no one bothered to hold them accountable because they know they were talking out of their asses. We need someone like Lou Reed back in the music scene, but someone like that would be cancelled today.
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>>115916954
I agree, but Bridger’s political messaging is superficial. If anything I’d be more based if she said “I support aborting babies with firearms” or “down with the neoliberal petty bourgeoisie” (the latter wouldn’t happen because she is one of them).
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>>115913353
>It's eloquent
it's actually not eloquent at all
>and tactful
wrong again
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>>115913363
who. the ones who are for or against child abuse?
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>>115914310
You're a monster. Please kill yourself.
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>>115917028
No one is for child abuse, you paleocon. You do realize the LGBT community out groomers, right? If you browse through gay Twitter, you’d know this! I guguest stop watching Fox News and meet new people.
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>>115913920
>isn't the pro-abortion side always saying "no one LIKES abortions! no one is happy about abortions! we just want them to be available for emergencies"
that hasn't been the pro-abortion stance for probably a decade
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>>115913836
That’s not very Christlike of you. I suggest that you sell your possessions and squat on your neighbor’s house for a month. That’s what Christian’s immediately after Christ’s death did. Progressive Christians are closer to the actual spirit of Christ than fundamentalists are since despite not being completely in agreement with the teaching of the Bible, they attempt to replicate Christ’s actions and words. I’ve been raised by Evangelicals all my life, and I will say that from studying Gnosticism, Neoplatonism, and other esoteric occult ideologies that Christianity in it’s current form is paganized Judaism. If you wanna follow Christ, why not try feeding the homeless.
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>>115917089
I’m pro-choice, and I even think this is ridiculous. I understand than in many circumstances (especially those where giving childbirth will actually kill the mother), and abortion may be a necessary procedure. But don’t treat it as it is some minuscule thing. You need to take it a little bit seriously
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>>115917058
>No one is for child abuse
people are for "trans kids" and "transing kids", so, yes they are for child abuse. it doesn't matter that they don't think it's child abuse.
and I don't watch any corporate news.
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>>115915505
How the fuck have the mods not deleted this thread yet? It's not even about music.
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>>115916975
Bro if you were a popular musician and you said either of those things on stage I would shoot you myself
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>>115916975
>neoliberal petty bourgeoisie
the problem is that no one in her audience can spell, pronounce, or define any of those words.
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>>115917166
Lol I wanna see you try.

>>115917134
Bait and switch. We’re talking about grooming and you’re switching the topic to kids transitioning. If you want my honest opinion about that, read >>115916875
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>>115917006
Just because you disagree with the message doesn't mean it was presented in a poor manner.
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>>115917134
> and I don't watch any corporate news

Neither do I, but unlike you, I scout out reliable sources instead of making shit up. It seems more convenient to do the latter these days because it’s hard to trust anything in this post-truth society. It seems that everyone skews the facts to their point of view.
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>>115917190
NTA, but you were the one to mention "grooming" first, you retard.
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>>115913950
if 12 year olds can't consent to sex why are they able to consent to getting pumped with hormones and getting their genitals mutilated?
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>>115917238
>I scout out reliable sources
Such as?
>instead of making shit up
What did he make up?
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>>115917141
kill yourself trannoid, you will never EVER become a woman and you will always be an ugly obese fat troll
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>>115917250
Well, I apologize, because that’s what I thought you meant initially by “child abuse” because I already gave my opinion on children transitioning and I didn’t make any judgment of that being child abuse because I don’t know if it is or not. It depends on the child. If only you had any trans people as friends like I do. Sure, I think that their promotion of Marxist-Leninism is fucking retarded, but don’t you think gender dysphoria is a little more complicated than “children transitioning”

Like I said, and if you read my original comment, I think people transiting under 18 is risky, but calling it “abusive” is a little absurd since the youngest adolescent on hormones is 15. It can be abusive if it’s forced by parents on little children, but there is no evidence of children under that age on hormones, so at least be intellectually honest before yelling “child abuse” like a fucking idiot. 

Unless if you have a credible source of this happening, then I’m happy to be proven wrong.
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cant spell phoebe without hoe 

hoe be 
she be a hoe
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>>115917269
>such as

Good point. In this post-truth age, one can argue that no sources are reliable anymore. If anything, to be honest here, I scout out the most centrist-leaning political sources like NPR (>inb4 government funded propaganda they don’t slant heavily either direction), and use my innert sense of skepticism to determine what is true or not, depending on my own experiences. All I can say is /pol/ is NOT a reliable source. 

Well, I mean many of the stories of young children transitioning are literal fabrications if you look into the history.
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The reason I side with trannies over those who hate them is because seeing people pretend like they care about children as a talking point against someone makes me sick. Nobody who's cherrypicking articles about drag storytime or kids being ""encouraged"" to transition really gives a fuck. There's no effort towards public education reform. Foster care reform. School lunch reform. Gun violence prevention. Standardized testing and the lack of teacher-to-student involvement.

None of these clowns give a fuck about any of those other issues, so I discard their rambles about how trannies are "grooming" their kids despite national television programs presenting disgusting child pageants as wholesome entertainment for much longer.

Trannies are mentally ill, but at the very least they're sincere. I'll always hear them out over the grifters ITT.
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>armchair radical delivers ice cold, pandering takes to crowd of thousands that paid to see them
Courageous, heroic
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>protect trans kids
more like VEGAN CATS amirite
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is it bridgers with a hard r?
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>>115913195 (OP)
phoebe bridgers for senate 2024
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>>115917402

Based take. I honestly cannot fucking stand the Republican Party at this point. Even as someone who grew up in a house of firearm owners and was taught trigger discipline at an early age, I’m disgusted by how the NRA doesn’t give a shit about gun safety or any means of responsible gun ownership and lobbies for the status who and by proxy supports the rights of school shooters. It’s really fucked. And thanks for pointing out that none of these people actually care about children, but are only using them for their own political ends. It would be amazing if conservatives cared about education reform that was actually about objectivity and not about being against teachers educating children on ideas only taught in university.
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>>115914522
well you're posting on 4chan so something's gone horribly wrong
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>>115913285
>>115913294
>>115913303
>>115913353
>>115913374
>>115917411
>>115917423
>>115917402
 >>115913195 (OP)
Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests
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>>115917331
Again, I'm not that anon. But to answer your questions
>but don’t you think gender dysphoria is a little more complicated than “children transitioning”
This is just nonsense. Suffering from gender dysphoria doesn't inherently involve children, but if a child suffers from it, they're encouraged to transition, so I don't even understand the point of this post.
>risky, but calling it “abusive” is a little absurd since the youngest adolescent on hormones is 15. It can be abusive if it’s forced by parents on little children, but there is no evidence of children under that age on hormones, so at least be intellectually honest before yelling “child abuse” like a fucking idiot.
This is just false. Children are given puberty blockers as young as 8, and the guidelines encourage hormone use at age 14 (doctors can prescribe them earlier though, as seen here)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30783983
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>>115917492
I checked out your source and the youngest I could find is 13. I think that’s still a little too young imo, but it’s a far cry from 8. I guess my point about the gender dysphoria thing is that there seems to be this idea that people are forcing others to transition, and in some communities (especially on Tumblr) that is true, but again, it’s not true for everyone. I guess it only involves children because everyone else wants to make it involve children. Conservatives using children to bash trannies, etc. 

I appreciate your response than from the other anon chud. ;)
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>>115917317
I fucking hate trannies but that doesn't mean I want to read you pol fuck faces shitting up this board when it's supposed to be about music
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>>115917537
This. Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests
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>>115917549
Isn’t is amazing how a center-left con man manipulated the lowest common denominator Americans into voting for him and forever radicalized a center-right political party into being paleocons?
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>>115917570
you're not gonna like this, but he's winning again in 2024.
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>>115917536
>I think that’s still a little too young imo
Anything below 18 is a "ittle too young", freak
>but it’s a far cry from 8.
Learn to read, retard. The guidelines call for puberty blockers to begin at 8, which is incredibly damaging. 
https://apnews.com/article/gender-transition-treatment-guidelines-9dbe54f670a3a0f5f2831c2bf14f9bbb
>that people are forcing others to transition
Quite literally yes. A minor has no way of getting on puberty blockers or hormone replacement absent of coercion my parents and or medical officials.
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>>115917570
> trump 
> center left 
Holy Copeamole. Dude gave billionaires biggest tax cuts in history
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>>115917578
I'll be impressed. The first US president to lead the country from a prison cell.
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bitches think they are Kurt Cobain, also this is the most retarded political argument above, "YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING SLAVES" - Jim Morrison, simple as.
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>>115917491
>>115917549
the majority of people say their economic situation under Biden is worse off than under Trump
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>>115917620
he won't see the inside of a cell, and it's incredibly sad that the US has stooped to what is typically behavior exhibited by third-world shitholes, which is imprisoning political opponents
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>>115917629
>Biden takes office in 2021
>Smack dab in the middle of the pandemic
Those are the same retards that blamed Obama for the 2008 recession. They don't consider the factors behind their situation. They only go "Durr, my money's bad and shit's hard. But he's prezidunt rite now! Is his fault!"
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>>115917629
False. I got bigger raises under Biden
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>>115917460
>I’m disgusted by how the NRA doesn’t give a shit about gun safety or any means of responsible gun ownership
Please post examples of them opposing gun safety or responsible gun ownership.
>supports the rights of school shooters
How does the NRA support the rights of school shooters?
>cared about education reform
Reform in what way?
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>>115917648
This. Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests. Inflation was caused by trumps administration
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>>115917589
Trump was a registered Democrat for most of his entire life. I don’t think any of the Reagan-nite policies he did were from a place of honesty. 

>>115917588
If you even bothered to read my original opinion of transition, you would know that I think 18 should be minimum age one can transition. Also, just because medical officials allow puberty blockers to children as young as 8, does that mean that there are recorded cases of such? No. The youngest case is still 13. 

I’m actually trying to be nice to you when discussing this, so the fact that you insult me makes me sad.
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>>115917655
you realize thats unrelated to overall economic progress right? "Oh hey, thousands are starving, but I got a raise".
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>>115917656
The NRA constantly lobbies for anti-gun control measures immediately after any mass shooting occurs in the United States. Every time there is a mass shooting, one of the first things you hear on the news is the NRA lobbying against national gun reform. 

As for education, it seems that conservatives are trying to remove any instance of mentioning anything LGBT in the classroom instead of trying to
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>>115917697
Biden inherited a massive train-wreck of an economy left by Drumpf
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>>115917730
…improve academic standards to be comparable to the rest of the industrialized world.
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>>115917695
You don't understand the difference between puberty blockers and hormone therapy because you're a retard. Puberty blockers are given to people as young as 8 all of the time. The hormone therapy is what's used on teenagers after their puberty's been delayed, which is typically in the early teen age range.
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>>115913195 (OP)
>simps of /mu/: phoebe bridgers is /ourgi-
NOOOO!!!!! NOT MY HECKING PHOEBE!!!
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>>115917730
>The NRA constantly lobbies for anti-gun control measures immediately after any mass shooting occurs in the United States. Every time there is a mass shooting, one of the first things you hear on the news is the NRA lobbying against national gun reform.
Wanting to legally follow the Second Amendment isn't calling for people to not be responsible gun owners.
>As for education, it seems that conservatives are trying to remove any instance of mentioning anything LGBT in the classroom instead of trying to
So your idea of "education reform" is literally the promotion of LGBT ideology in the classroom? I figured as much.
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>>115917746
>my fetish is okay and should be forced on children because it's medically necessary for a tiny minority with severe disorders
no
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>this whole thread
kek way to go op you fucking dropkicked the tranny hive
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>>115917746
Puberty blockers and hormone therapy perform the same purpose, so even though they utilize completely different means, they’re identical in my mind. 

PLEASE STOP CALLING ME A RETARD, I’M PURSUING A M.S. IN PHYSICS. Just because I was ignorant at the type between the precise differences between puberty blockers and hormone therapy doesn’t mean that I’m stupid. Fuck you!
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Phoebe Bridgers is a prime example of what Mark Fisher called “capitalist realism” in music: a bland and conformist style that accepts the limits and logic of the neoliberal system and offers no alternative vision or challenge. Bridgers’ songs are full of clichés and platitudes that reflect the individualized and depoliticized worldview of the millennial generation, who have grown up in a world where there is no alternative to capitalism and where social movements and collective action are seen as futile or irrelevant. Bridgers’ music is also heavily sponsored and promoted by Apple, one of the most powerful and exploitative corporations in the world, which uses her as a tool to sell its products and to create a false image of diversity and creativity. Bridgers’ music is not indie rock, but corporate rock: a commodified and sanitized version of a genre that once had some subversive and rebellious potential. Bridgers’ music is not art, but propaganda: a way of reinforcing the status quo and pacifying the masses.
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>>115917807
Why are chudfags so obsessed with kiddie genitals?!
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>>115917814
>no u
LMAO!
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>>115917648
>>Smack dab in the middle of the pandemic
Not really. The worst of the pandemic was over by then.
>Those are the same retards that blamed Obama for the 2008 recession
Nobody blamed Obama for the 2008 recession, it predated him. People just criticized his response.
>>115917655
Inflation has outpaced wage growth in most industries.
>>115917688
This is false. You can argue both are culpable for spending big, but Trump did so to save the economy, which was successful, whereas things like the American Rescue Plan were incredibly inflationary and pointless. Biden spent just as much in his first year as Trump did in 2020.
>>115917737
Not really. Trump ensured the recession lasted only 2 months, oversaw the quickest recovery ever and America under him declined the least GDP wise in 2020 than every major economy other than China.
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>>115917775
I want the NRA to openly condemn mass shooters and still support 2nd Amendment rights. If you knew anything about me, I would want all resentment-based progressive ideologies out of the fucking classroom! What I mean by education reform is to improve math and science to be compare to that of India: a third-world country who has people more educated in physics than the average American. I like all the assumptions you make about me lmao.
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>>115917485
Fucking lol I’ve been posting on 4chan for half of my life, if you think that precludes success you need to go outside. Most people don’t fit into nice, simple categories, though if you post on Twitter all day I’m sure you think that’s the case.
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>>115917834
Here’s an idea: how about stop giving the president credit for how the economy goes. It is much more complicated than what executive control could govern (the government can’t control markets; only support it via fiscal and monetary policy).
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>>115917809
>Puberty blockers and hormone therapy perform the same purpose, so even though they utilize completely different means, they’re identical in my mind.
Then if you thought they were the same, you'd know (puberty blockers) "hormone replacement" is frequently used on children under 13/14, retard.
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>>115917851
Everyone on this retarded thread needs to go outside. That dude is not the only one lmao.
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red states are leeches and a drain on the country
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>>115917875
Yeah, I checked your claims even further about puberty blockers, just to see if there’s some truth. And apparently, people only prescribe puberty blockers to young children if they’re experiencing precocious puberty, which is what happens when children go through puberty early (which seems to be happening a lot in this society). So, you’re right about children having them at age 8, but are wrong that they’re being used for forcing children to transition. 

Who’s the retard now?
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>>115917842
>I want the NRA to openly condemn mass shooters and still support 2nd Amendment rights
They do this all of the time. It's you who is making the false equivocation between supporting gun rights and supporting mass shootings.
>is to improve math and science to be compare to that of India: a third-world country who has people more educated in physics than the average American. I like all the assumptions you make about me lmao.
And the GOP position is for schools to focus more on actual education, such as reading, math and science instead of gender ideology. DeSantis, who this thread's partially about, his increased funding for both schools and teachers in Florida.
>>115917861
No, just because people misrepresent the data sometimes doesn't mean presidents aren't responsible for the economy. Somebody like FDR or Trump, for instance, are presidents who inherited bad recessions and whose policies objectively ended them and allowed for growth. There was no justification for Biden's massive spending his first year in office, which he knew would be inflationary and for his administration to completely lie about it (it's only transitory, guys, I swear!)
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>>115917913
>And apparently, people only prescribe puberty blockers to young children if they’re experiencing precocious puberty
This isn't true. Just because puberty blockers still occasionally serve their originally intended purpose, doesn't mean transgender-related puberty blocking doesn't occur and is recommended by the medical community, as I showed you earlier. In the very same BBC article, it talks about how the doctor delayed the boy's puberty before putting him on hormone therapy
>"When I was little I always said I'm a girl. I look like a girl. My heart is a girl heart," says 13-year-old Zoey, who was born a boy but who now identifies as a girl. Her doctor blocked her puberty and then prescribed cross-sex hormones to allow her to develop as a female.
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>>115917968
Trump inherited a prosperous economy from Obama lmao
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>>115917968
First of all, fuck Joe Biden! Second of all, who was responsible for the 2008 recession? Bush or Obama? People argue either or, but some argue that it was actually Bill Clinton because of his policies deregulating the housing market. The point is that while cases like Woodrow Wilson and FDR, the executive branch had a clear overreach over planning the market, in most cases it’s much more complicated than that. There are a lot of systematic factors from policies built up from previous presidents. For example, Trump’s travel plan was initially an Obama policy. It’s not an economic example, but it shows how nuanced the system really is.

Also, give me one example of an NRA lobbyist condemning mass shootings in good faith. I’d love to see you try.
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>>115918022
The Obama economy was middling, and I'm referring to the COVID recession.
>>115918028
>Second of all, who was responsible for the 2008 recession?
It was mostly Clinton, but also partially Bush for continuing the loaning policies.
>The point is that while cases like Woodrow Wilson and FDR, the executive branch had a clear overreach over planning the market
This wasn't really true until the wartime economies. FDR ended the worst of the Great Depression before then.
>Also, give me one example of an NRA lobbyist condemning mass shootings in good faith. I’d love to see you try.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/republicans-guns-bump-stocks-las-vegas-shooting
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>>115918021
Look, here’s the thing you fucking bigot. I don’t support using puberty blockers for nothing but their intended person and I don’t think that hormone replacement therapy shouldn’t be prescribed to people over the age of 18 and all of this is making trannies look stupid. But y’know what, I’m still gonna support their rights. You may have won the argument, but you haven’t changed my mind, so fuck you!
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repukelishits are so insufferable now how radically far right they keep going . 2024 won’t be kind to them thankfully
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Phoebe Bridgers is a typical product of the culture industry: a standardized and interchangeable commodity that serves the interests of the dominant ideology and the capitalist system.
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>>115914310
>if you start transitioning when you're like 6, you can basically become indistinguishable from your intended sex
you will pass much better but you will never have a properly functioning body or genitalia
a boy that transitions to become a woman will never know what it feels like to be pregnant or give birth
a girl that transitions to become a man will still be small short and weak compared to a biological man, and have a barely functioning pseudopenis
and both will have more and more problems as they age and it gets more difficult to pass
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>>115918083
>mostly Clinton 

…pretty based opinion ngl

Also, Woodrow Wilson created the United States Railroad Association (USRA) to standardize the construction of steam locomotives in America, so if anything, he was a proto-FDR imo.

>Las Vegas shooting

Sorta weird the NRA advocates for bump stock regulations on what is arguable a psy-op from the government. I’d wish I’d see more of this in school shootings, but if it’s in a gun-loving state like Nevada, I guess I might as well just to tell the CIA to go fuck themselves.
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>>115918145
>Also, Woodrow Wilson created the United States Railroad Association (USRA) to standardize the construction of steam locomotives in America, so if anything, he was a proto-FDR imo.
Sure, but like i said, that was because of the war effort.
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>>115918166
Same with FDR, but in his case, his policies pre-dated the war effort, so I guess he doubly-counts
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>>115918090
>umm heck u
this is the thing you see a lot. the reason this will solve only by extreme violence. both parts are adamant and wont cede a milimeter. one part wont because it has the reason and this gone out of control decades ago, the other because its their political ground and whole identity, and without that they have nothing, sadly they have been weaponized, their whole lives have been, but political forces that dont give a fuck about them, ultimately.
>>115918137
"youngshits" as they call early transitioners look strange, like overgrown kids. old trooners are hotter anyway.
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Do you think they get told to say shit like this just so people will talk about it Twitter and suddenly Boygenius starts trending? Look how many replies this thread got already. All they have to do is mention two divisive topics in the news and 150+ mad replies on a dead 4chan board.
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>>115918191
Believe or not, I actually agree with this, but I’m under a lot of stress right now and I got accidentally drugged with meth 6 days ago (my research advisor is a meth addict who puts it in his coffee and I saw crystals drying in the fridge and that meth/solvent solution got on my hands and I washed it off like a dumbass), so I’m experiencing a lot of cognitive fatigue right now and I’m trying to learn to understand what I believe in since my parents think I’m a sociopath who doesn’t have an innate moral compass (I’m raised by Evangelicals btw). So, I completely apologize if I fell victim to the behavior you’re criticizing, because I’d make the exact same criticism. But it is 4chan after all, so it gives all of us more of an incentive to talk shit no matter what lmao.
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>>115913707
>if you think chuds are actually religious
Oh, like you? That’s fucking rich lol
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>>115913363
based us
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did she actually say "abortion rocks?" the set is still available on the youtube stream if someone wants to confirm
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>>115918191
Again, sorry about the last part. I just got too fed up to have this conversation. I have a very good friend who is transgender and I love her to death, even though I find the tranny ideology retarded as hell.
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>>115913195 (OP)
Those are the worst fitting suits I've ever seen lmao
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>>115917834
They won't listen to reason, don't waste your time dude.
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>>115917737
jesus christ you call him drumpf, listen I dont like Trump either as an Anarchist, but you realize hes a symptom of the system itself and not a flash in the pan. The reason people support Trump is due to the fact the system is so blatantly corrupt and evil they turn to Hero worship, the establishment sends a fake to tame the masses and boom. Trump was never an outsider, even during 2012 with him basically fighting Ron Paul, someone who actually wanted to create systemic changes (even if I dont agree with it 100% as an Agorist/Market Anarchist). Trump literally was the same politically, no different than any other Neoliberal. Now Ron Paul is out, his son has no chance of winning due to the Culture War and how the Culture War is perceived to be more dominant than State Power, etc. Fuck his son was prolly the most Pro-BLM/Police Reform Senator and he still got shouted at with "Say Her Name" when it was in the bill. The State promotes Clown World bros, take the Agorist pill and Ride the States collapse all the while forming Anarchist Market Co-Operatives.
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Listen up yall if it werent for abortion ya girl wouldnt be up here on this stage
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>>115918543
Based and libertarianpilled
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>>115913195 (OP)
"Abortion Rocks"
Is this a coded way to say Total Nigger Death?
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>>115917058
>You do realize the LGBT community out groomers
You are psychotic if you think they do anything other than gaslight anyone who notices it’s literally an integral part of the gay identity. Fags molest kids and those kids grow up to be fags and the cycle repeats.
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>>115918573
No it’s a liner to make the Chuds seethe with rage. It’s funny to show how manufactured the far right culture is
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>>115918565
actually an Agorist/Anarchist, but I like Libertarians. They just need to realize that in a truly Free Markets, Co-Operatives would be dominant and Capitalism would naturally collapse, once they get that idea in their heads, with them 100%. Still like em either ways, granted I also like Ancoms, Anti-Government people in general.
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>>115918583
Well, it seems that you don’t frequently the LGBT side of the internet that much. Regarding transgenderism, sure, they’re fucking idiots and they have no idea how to actually address legitimate mora concerns because their hormones are making them too emotional. But I assure you, most gays, lesbians, and bisexuals are surprisingly sane people.
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>>115918617
The hard part is telling them what “capitalism” is. To libertarians “capitalism” is defined by the market alone and is independent from the state, whereas socialists like Karl Marx include the state in their definition of socialism. Convincing ancaps of that is just talking right past them.
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>>115918610
How do you reconcile this with the fact that the overwhelming majority of abortions are nigger babies? Supporting abortion is overtly racist.
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>>115918646
What libertarians get massively wrong is there is always central planning going on in the markets . Free markets is a complete myth
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>>115918617
Also, it’s great see some respect from the libertarian left to the libertarian right. I wish ancaps weren’t so concerned about hating commies all the time to actually listen to you guys and realize you both want similar things.
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>>115918610
yuppers and it's definitely just them too and not you or this whole fucking thing haha wahoo eighth season of this btw
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>>115918666
Agreed, but libertarians will say that “no market is ever free” because of that and still advocate for one anyone if the stage is eliminated. You can’t get past those kind of mental gymnastics.
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>>115918469
watching now. 30 minutes to go, havent heard it yet
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>>115918646
As a former Ancap, I suggest C4SS/Gary Chartier as a source. Markets, Not Capitalism is a wonderful read.
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>>115913195 (OP)
racist cunt
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>>115918704
I’ll definitely look into Chartier. I’ve been a fan of Proudhon for a while, but he seems like the next step.
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>>115918668
tbf I am not an Ancom, I would say I am closest to a Mutualist. But still, we are all united against the same enemy, and all of our ideologies allow the ability for independent economic communities, so why are we so vehemently against each other. Purely stupid, I sorta blame the Marxists cause as much as I like Ancoms, they always stupidly simp for Marxism historically and still. Workingmans Association, Ukraine, CNT-FAI, etc. Marxism and Anarchism cant work together at all imo.
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>>115918666
obviously, all business in themselves centrally plan, and for trade there has to be a level of central planning, think of Road Companies and where to build Roads, however we can democratize them through Co-Operatives so that the most amount of people can have a say in it over a few people.
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>>115918725
if I had to rank my influences
1. Konkin 2. Stirner 3. Proudhon 4. Chartier 5. Spooner. Chartier basically pushes Proudhon a bit right, with him believing in Private Property, however the function of the society is the same.
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>>115913195 (OP)
>fresh cringe from Coachella
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>>115918732
Yeah I like Kropotkin and Proudhon, but I always found Marx to be overrated. The Communist Manifesto, while an excellent breakdown of the bureaucratic superstructure of corporations and big business, feels morally immature and the concept of a Proxy state only creates authoritarian regimes in practice. Critique of the Gotha Program seems interesting, but I think Nietzsche sorta demolished that premise by saying that that sort of society is prone to mob rule. I think the left need to focus on thinkers like Proudhon and Kropotkin and less on people like Marx. I even like Sorel more than Marx because at least he recognizes how much Marx’s dialectic is such a distortion of Hegel’s, despite his support of fascism later in his life. Bakunin seems insane to me.
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>>115918768
>Max Stirner

based Stirner fan! He is the basis of my moral philosophy.
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>>115918701
>>115918469
oh god there it is. she actually said it. what a literal retard.
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>>115918782
you wont find me disagreeing lol. Fascism vs Marxism is a Civil War on who will take Hegel's anti Liberal crown. Fuck, we even had Gramsci and Mussolini in the press arguing who was more subversive. Marxism and Fascism are mirrors of each other, and the only reason they are supposedly against each other is they disagree on what collective is more important, Nation or Class. I think Proudhon wont be accepted by the Left desu, he was way to opposed to Marx/Communism and can be slandered easily. While Marx was an open Antisemite with "The Jewish Question", Proudhon had passages in his diaries which were Antisemitic, however never released. Marxists love to talk about Proudhons antisemitism, but always ignore Marxs. Kropotkin is the best gateway imo, granted Breadtube mightve hijacked his image lol. I doubt any of them have read Kropotkin, its literally called Breadtube, but they only talk Marx.
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>>115918820
she looks like that bitch in the ghostbusters remake or the one in marvel avengers i dont remember
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>>115918796
Same here, Stirner is easily my favorite philosopher, basically becoming an Anti-Hegel all the while not bowing down to Liberalism. While Hegel was all about Collective Force and Historical Inevitability, Stirner's Egoism basically takes a shit on it. Even Marx tried to debunk him in "The German Philosopher" and failed. Thanks Saint Max, really cool.
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>>115918904
Yeah, Stirner and Nietzsche are my go tos for moral philosophy. Even though Nietzsche gets a little too reactionary for my tastes at times, I cannot help but notice he makes some very valid points about society and philosophy even when defending his contrarian opinions.
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>>115918870
I know Vaush is a self described “left libertarian” so I think he’s the closest in Breadtube we get to an actual mutualist.
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>>115913195 (OP)
as a member of the lgbtq community i gotta be real i absolutely STAN phoebe bridgers she is my everything she fucking slays such a goddess in every way realest there is
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>>115914560
>>115914630
>inb4 neither of these things happen
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>>115918957
Oh I disagree, he calls himself that, but his beliefs do not reflect that. When hes mask off, I would call him a Dengist, heres a clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncs6XjkvpFs [Embed] literally what China is doing.
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>>115919023
We already have a small number of detransititoners out there. I don’t think there will be a big wave or anything, but they exist.
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>>115919047
Yeah, that’s what a lot of people Vaush is secretly a tankie, so I’m surprised by that opinion. The only thing that he says is anything mutualist is his belief in worker’s co-ops, be he always seemed a little too aggressive in promoting his ideology to be anything libertarian.