Tue Apr 18 08:32:04 UTC 2023

k/57772495.txt

@@ -680,10 +680,6 @@ Fucking jew made the bundle 24.99 so you can't get free shipping
 --- 57871311
 >>57871091
 I enjoy what I like and you can do the same. I don't mind if others do not share the same enjoyment as me with what I find entertaining.
---- 57871324
->>57870042
-
-how do you cope with the fact that the biggest supporters of the LGBTMAP mafia are also the ones leading the charge on gun control?
 --- 57871425
 >>57871324
 the same way the entire conservative mafia copes with the nra, trump, reagen, cops etc
@@ -761,3 +757,49 @@ Nah I mean I just want one patch (one design) for myself cause whoever originall
 WHAT DO THE FLOWERS MEAN
 WHATS IT STAND FOR
 THERE MUST BE SOMETHING MORE
+--- 57879990
+>>57835937
+>nooo don't post pictures on an image board
+--- 57880310
+>>57879415
+Racism
+--- 57880375
+>>57879415
+--- 57883518
+>>57772495 (OP)
+--- 57885877
+>>57871621
+congrats on missing the point.
+--- 57886029
+>>57885877
+>conservatives are worse
+>they're not worse, you're a faggot for thinking that and i will call you a faggot for saying that
+>congrats on missing the point
+--- 57886955
+Patch idea
+--- 57888158
+Anyone here ever made one yourself? It's a bit time consuming, but totally doable since it's so hard and/or expensive to get custom ones.
+--- 57889280
+>>57884639
+Where cop?
+--- 57889661
+>Had GWN Yamaguchi patch on my "when I am no long broke list"
+>Decided I've waited long enough
+>Shop is perma closed
+Big sad.
+--- 57889785
+>>57889661
+You're gonna carry that weight.
+--- 57889837
+>>57802708
+>Didn't join during peace time for the gibs and discount
+--- 57889945
+>>57884639
+Lazy and no effort
+--- 57890724
+>>57772495 (OP)
+--- 57891327
+>>57858449
+>>57861633
+This all looks like shit
+Is it just me or have the instagram-ad patch shitters and redditors completely invaded this thread, shit wasn't like this the last time I left /o/

k/57819001.txt

@@ -809,3 +809,196 @@ In addition to different/cheaper bullet design, sometimes cheaper powder. For ex
 --- 57879105
 >>57842079
 I think it has more to do with the shape. Hard cast bullets are often semi-wadcutter, which (at least according to fuddlore) is less likely to deflect off bone.
+--- 57879679
+>>57868454
+Oh yeah and if you're east coast US, you're going to be waiting until August for the walnuts to ripen. Seasonal source of ink. Also a wood stain and clothes dye!
+--- 57880435
+>>57819001 (OP)
+how exactly do you take the factory sights off of a s&w MP model?
+--- 57881485
+Why do most AR10s out there have stainless barrels? I hate the look and it seems for combat purposes you would want it blacked out and not shiny.
+--- 57881820
+>>57881485
+Most AR-10's aren't going into combat, and those which are are going to get painted or cerakoted anyway. But most good barrel makers should offer you a choice of what steel you get. I used an X-caliber barrel for my last AR-10 build, they offer a choice of stainless or Chromoly.
+--- 57882613
+>>57877140
+I was scared they'd make fun of me for being a silly prepper or something :(
+--- 57882632
+>>57882613
+Don't tell them it's for prepping then. Just ask how to DIY it.
+--- 57883716
+Hello /k/
+
+I plan on buying my first gun on gunbroker. I've bought guns online before but with visa/ credit cards. This seller only allows USPS Money Order, Money Order, Certified Check.
+
+I have never paid with any of those things. What's the safest way to go about it and how the fuck do I pay online with any of those things? Sorry if it's a dumb question. The gun still doesn't have a single bid.
+--- 57883850
+>>57867180
+My in laws swear by and got me a pitsburgh 3 ton. It lifts my old 7.3 powerstroke.. could be they just want me dead though
+--- 57883895
+If I'm using a laser bore sighter but I'm limited on space, couldn't I just sight the optic above the boresight at enough space so that if the range were increased, it would be on target?
+--- 57884273
+>>57845794
+>>57845027
+Speaking of 7x64, if I don't have any empty casings avalible on the market, would it be safe to load a 7mm bullet and required powder load into a .30-06 casing and fire it from a 7x64 rifle?
+--- 57884328
+>>57883716
+>USPS Money Order
+After you win the auction, the seller provides you his name, address, and total cost. You walk into your local post office and ask for money order(s) in the amount required. You fill them out, take a picture of them for your records, tear off and keep the receipt portion, then mail them to him. After he redeems them he ships the gun.
+
+If he fucks you it's theoretically big boy federal mail fraud. I've both bought and sold guns using USPS money orders as payment without issue.
+--- 57884355
+>>57883895
+little mistakes turn into huge mistakes at distance.
+--- 57884430
+Don't know where or how else to ask this, but why do black people seem to gravitate towards .380?
+--- 57884714
+>>57884355
+Well what I'm saying is that if I sight the optic above the dot on a wall, can't I just use math to figure out where the dot and boresight would meet at say 100yrds?
+
+Wouldnt it be possible to calculate where to put the dot above where the boresighter is aiming in order for the point of aim to meet the point of impact out at the desired distance?
+--- 57885160
+>>57824258
+>>57824303
+>>57852519
+>>57852707
+>>57858306
+Aight it's done, poor grinding skills aside it, the 3d sabot actually holds in the cartrige and the round chamber correctly
+--- 57885183
+>>57884714
+You can do that. That's what a boresighter is for, nobody actually uses them at long range. But it won't be perfect because your math will be full of approximations and there will be some error in your adjustment. How well it all works depends on what your standards/expectations are. Are you just trying to hit a torso at 100 yards? So long as you're careful that shouldn't be hard. Are you expecting to be dead on? Lolno. That method is how I've done the preliminary zeroing on over a dozen rifles I've owned. It usually gets me within 3-4 inches at 100 yards with the first shot.
+--- 57885282
+>>57883716
+>and how the fuck do I pay online with any of those things?
+You don't. It's hard to buy guns from individuals online. Online payment services like PayPal don't allow it, and the average Joe doesn't have the ability to accept credit cards. You get a money order or certified check, you put it in an envelope, and you mail it to the seller.
+
+> Sorry if it's a dumb question. 
+Don't blame us. Blame your parents for failing to teach you about some really basic shit. You get USPS Money orders from a post office. You must pay for them with cash. You get generic money orders from banks or from the customer service counter at many supermarkets, gas stations, etc. Again, you must pay for them in cash. You get certified checks aka "cashier's checks" from a bank. You may have guessed the trend here: you will need cash, or an account at that bank they will withdraw the money from.
+--- 57885312
+Where does BCM (Bravo Company) source their barrels from? ( I’ve searched this but wind up on arf com with 10 page treads )
+--- 57885339
+>>57857853
+>>57857888
+It's a .410 shotgun AR-15-a-like
+--- 57885882
+Why do they look so good in green?
+
+They're the only 2 guns I know of that look better than in black
+--- 57886272
+>>57885339
+Man, a .410 "AR" for plinking sounds like a ton of fun.
+--- 57886311
+Are there any other places that talk about weapons that aren't absolutely full of retards just purposefully lying or spamming the same exact shit over and over again?
+--- 57886444
+>>57879084
+>For example, defensive handgun ammo might use low-flash powder so you don't blind yourself.
+
+but the kid in me at heart wants to see the flashy boom boom sparks.
+--- 57886455
+>>57876453
+just dissemble the gun and remove the trigger actions to clean it out dumbass
+--- 57886471
+>>57885882
+lol how many rounds does that drum hold? also Ithink all guns look better in FDE.
+--- 57886537
+>>57886311
+>places that talk about weapons
+>aren't absolutely full of retards
+>not the same exact shit typed over and over again
+
+The gun world barely changes over time, 95% of the discussions wouldn't exist if people were able to do simple google searches. Any info you could dream of is already out there, maybe except for the reviews of the few rare "new" products that come on the market once in a while. Sounds like what you're looking for is a fucking search engine.
+--- 57886549
+>>57885160
+Holy based.
+--- 57886587
+>>57884273
+You can't just drop a .30-06 cartridge into the rifle as the neck diameter is too large. However you can resize .30-06 to 7x64 with a handloading press. You can also use .280 Remington or .270 Winchester brass the same way.
+--- 57886627
+>>57886272
+Agreed. Only problem is that they're all turkshit, and I've never seen one that takes 3" shells either. So in the end you get a very limited crappy gun... Given that .410 is pretty expensive I'd rather have a nicer gun to shoot it out of.
+--- 57886644
+>>57885882
+It's not so much that they're green, it's that they are 2-tone. Having the two different colors of parts breaks up the fairly ugly shape of those guns. I don't think they'd look anywhere near as good if they were uniformly green.
+--- 57886662
+>>57819001 (OP)
+I'm a saw gunner now. Need a tactical belt so I can put drum pouches on each side instead of having that on my IOTV where it's always in the way and annoying
+anyone got any good recommendations for a tactical belt with molle I can use for drums, ifak, and other stuff?
+--- 57886808
+>>57841754
+I don't think so, at least the bullet-based ones wouldnt. Maybe the missile-based ones would, if they're using a strong enough explosive / penetrator?
+--- 57887586
+>>57886627
+Sounds like someone should write a letter to kel-tec :^) Sounds like something they'd be into. I've always wanted a Judge or Governor, and knowing that I have at least one other gun that would use .410 might be the last bit of convincing I need.
+--- 57887843
+Any ceramic plates out there that are 4x6 inches or less? Saw one online years ago but the closest I can find now is steelshit. Thinking of slipping it into the admin pouch of my IIIA vest to cover my vitals.
+--- 57887892
+>>57887843
+Search for side plates.
+--- 57888149
+>>57876124
+>"None."
+Darn, I guess I'll have to make my own then. 
+>"That's dumb. Find some speed strips instead."
+You're kidding? I use speed strips for my 22. SAA and let me tell you it's not quick nor easy as I would imagine a magazine.
+--- 57889900
+>>57880435
+A couple problems here:
+>Is this a revolver or autoloader?
+>Is this a new or old revolver?
+>Are the sights adjustable?
+"Smith and Wesson M&P" refers to like three or more different guns. IIRC it's:
+>S&W M&P, the original around 1900, pre model 10
+>S&W M&P, a modern autoloader
+>S&W M&P, an ar15 (?)
+>S&W M&P IIRC a modern revolver may exist under this name in current manufacture
+--- 57889957
+>>57885160
+Depending on how hard those are and how your gun feeds, be VERY careful to make sure it doesn't put big gouges in your feed ramp or chamber.
+--- 57890198
+>>57889900
+i'm talking about the very new 5.7 MP model. was just wondering what other kinds of sights I can put on it if I were to buy one.
+--- 57890295
+>>57885882
+Euro OD green is awesome, but why? It matters to them sort of the way a green AMG Mercedes looks cool, but a green Lexus looks like mold.
+--- 57890412
+>>57876124
+>Better answer is a Savage 99 or Browning BLR though. Better calibers available and they can mount optics.
+i had friends recommended the savage, but honestly i just want the classic cowboy gun aesthetic for this. i have no plans to mount a scope for this. i would have considered henry too, but supposedly they are shit according to the 2 cowboy larpers i know.
+--- 57890649
+>>57871608
+If you haven't bought it yet, don't. I've got one and the fucking slide keeps rusting no matter how much I clean it. Never had that problem with my other guns.
+--- 57890717
+Why did we adopt the 277 fury as the next gen cartridge then the military academy in the 80s claimed the ar-15 was already at peak performance and the only way to improve it is explosive ammunition
+--- 57890718
+>>57890198
+>S&W calls yet another one of their guns the M&P
+I can't believe it. Also,
+>drift adjustable
+Looks like dovetailed to me anon. Knock that shit right out. Just remember that one way is probably smaller than the other so don't fuck up your dovetail by pushing it out the wrong side like a retard. I forget what side is the tighter side; there's a standard that's (usually) followed. They're nice metal sights too. Also am I crazy or are these glock compatible sights? I don't own a glock so I may be wrong.
+--- 57890750
+>>57890718
+You didnt get a single thing right except being made of metal and having a dovetail but them making shit up about the dovetail.
+You should really just shut the fuck up instead of spreading misinformation
+--- 57890803
+>>57819001 (OP)
+Putting rails on a 10/22. Y/N? 
+I've loved my 10/22 for the past 13 years but I've been thinking of putting a red dot on it for plinking purposes. Is this a good idea? Seems fun for me.
+--- 57890808
+My AR shoots more to the left as I increase the distance, which I assume means my barrel is canted.
+Can this be fixed with a re-install and adjustment or am I fucked?
+--- 57890904
+>>57890750
+>but them making shit up about the dovetail.
+You mean the bit about the dovetail only going in one way because one side is tighter? On further looking it turns out this may not be true with Glocks for example but for many handgun sights, rifle sights, and even pins that hold parts in place that is DEFINITELY the case; they are tapered. You're supposed to remove them left to right. And on further inspection yeah they're not glock sight compatible, especially not the front sight as glock front sights aren't dovetailed. I've been up nearly 24 hours and I said one minorly retarded thing by accident, which by the way can be immediately proven wrong with a 5 second google search. I'm not perfect and don't have a complete knowledge of every gun; sue me. And I don't see you answering that anon so stop being a fucking prick and answer him yourself if you know the answer.
+https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/how-to-change-handgun-sights-the-right-way/#:~:text=Some%20dovetails%20are%20tapered.,still%20is%20on%20some%20firearms.
+--- 57890984
+>>57890803
+Sure, why not. Go with the Weaver 430T; works well for me with a scope when hunting. Get a FAT wrench if you really want to do it right. I forget how many inch pounds is right for the rail installation but it was easy enough for me to find last time I needed to.
+
+>>57890808
+Start with something easy. Is there a burr or damage on your barrel crown? How good does the crown look? Is there a burr on the inside of your muzzle device causing strikes with the bullets? Is it your rifle rest putting pressure on the barrel in an odd way (if using one)? Are you putting tension on the sling when shooting? Even things like barrel mounted bipods can throw off point of impact, but I'm not sure it'd do something like you're describing.
+
+Are you sure your scope or dot isn't the cause of the issue? Check that the mount isn't somehow bumped out of place. Try unscrewing it and pushing the mounts forward in their slot and then tighten as usual. Also try another scope or dot with a different set of rings/base if available; you never know. That is assuming you aren't shooting with irons. If you are, are you sure it's not your front sight being out of line with the barrel or front sight base being canted in some way? Not that it being the case would be any better.
+--- 57891313
+>>57890984
+I haven't checked the barrel crown or muzzle device yet but they're new so I wasn't expecting damage. I'm shooting with both a red dot and backup iron sights on a free floated rail from a simple rest.

k/57834081.txt

@@ -374,3 +374,62 @@ Ahhhhh fuck you're right
 I just got my first milsurps this month so I don't have ammo for them yet. 
 
 Also, unfortunately, nowhere in town to shoot so I have to drive a ways.
+--- 57879820
+>>57875105
+Your problem is the fact that you don't have 25 friends you can start a militia with.
+--- 57879841
+Slept in and got outbid on a Yugo 24/47 carbine (not a short rifle). Still got an fr8, German riot shield, and a box of sks parts.
+--- 57880088
+>>57879841
+Holy shit, what kind of racist ass bidding website is this?
+--- 57880351
+>>57875645
+God no; there's dirt out there. 
+
+>>57879841
+Congratulations Anon. 
+
+>>57880088
+LOL.
+--- 57882323
+>>57879841
+>>57880088
+We have a very similar watchlist from that one. I didn't bid, but good deal on that FR-8. someone got a good price on that carabineros carbine as well.
+--- 57882380
+>>57856649
+What in tarnation is this? I got offered one at a gunshow for $800 a little while ago
+--- 57883327
+>>57882380
+"Dreyse" M1907. 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAJFq2M2dao [Embed]
+--- 57884267
+>>57875645
+Not anymore. Work hours too long.
+--- 57885610
+>>57877623
+Tfw bubba sanded this off of mine. If I hold it at the right angle I can see the outline of it.
+--- 57886149
+>>57842504
+Looks like the bolt carrier was polished based on that pic. They usually have a rough forged finish
+--- 57887372
+>>57882380
+800 would be very generous on your part.
+--- 57887884
+.32 posting will continue.
+--- 57887935
+>>57887884
+I've kind of fallen out of love with 32s lately. And with a lot of smokeless in general. How could I not when the holy black mistress beckons to me?
+--- 57888106
+>>57887935
+I don't love the price of .32 currently, other than that my favorite handgun cartridge. 
+
+Waiting til the GF and I have a new house to get into reloading and reloading for BP. I'd like to shoot my Beaumont more than when Buffalo Arms makes some for $4-5 a round.
+--- 57890123
+>>57887935
+Sell me your boring old guns for a loss to afford more BP
+--- 57890182
+>>57875645
+>only place to shoot within 30 minute drive is a 25yd range that limits rifle calibers to .30 cal max
+>nearest outdoor range is 2 hours away
+>no public land to shoot on, just suburbs and corn fields
+Life is suffering with my desire to shoot big bore surps.

k/57836283.txt

@@ -798,3 +798,134 @@ Yeah
 --- 57879639
 >>57878739
 Oh.
+--- 57879984
+>>57879639
+Yeah bump
+--- 57880214
+>>57874167
+Nice.
+--- 57881419
+What are the good sellers for EUfags like me 
+btw I learned that hand free nvg in france is illegal lmao
+--- 57881448
+>>57881419
+>hand free is illegal
+>Presumably this means that helmet mounted is legal
+???
+--- 57881454
+>>57881448
+Oh wait sorry I'm apparently retarded this morning. So helmet mounted is illegal but if you hold it in your hand it's legal. Wot.
+--- 57881522
+>>57881454
+>Oh wait sorry I'm apparently retarded this morning. So helmet mounted is illegal but if you hold it in your hand it's legal. Wot.
+
+Yes you can buy a monocular that can be mounted, the mount is also legal but putting them together make it a A2 weapon which is at the same level as automatic weapon in France and thus completely banned for civilians. 
+ 
+sadly in France for weapons the law is getting worse and worse in order to get to EU standards apparently so more and more weapons are getting in B category which require 1 years of sport shooting license and a préfectoral authorization (and now they have orders to not give this authorization to preppers or listed far right individuals)
+--- 57881604
+>>57881522
+Maybe another revolution is in order? A lot of you guys seem to do it just because it's a day that ends in Y
+--- 57882486
+>>57880214
+that's awesome man
+--- 57882867
+>>57881522
+>Yes you can buy a monocular that can be mounted, the mount is also legal but putting them together make it a A2 weapon which is at the same level as automatic weapon in France and thus completely banned for civilians.
+what the fuck
+--- 57883443
+>>57882867
+>when taping glass to your face is the equivalent of murdering someone
+--- 57883607
+>>57882867
+>>57883443
+In all fairness, this is somewhat comparable to all parts for an SBR being individually immune from being NFA violations.
+--- 57883821
+Anyone have a good source for polycarbonate discs 37mm and 1/16 thick?
+--- 57884053
+Lasersneed needs to try their hand at a rifle mounted laser rangefinder.
+--- 57884384
+>>57883821
+Your local hardware store and a thin hacksaw
+--- 57884883
+>>57883821
+AliExpress, tons of that niche shit on there, why do you want one?
+--- 57885855
+>>57884053
+>Compete with sig for chink prices
+Stop making me want chinese stuff.
+--- 57886227
+>>57884883
+was trying to source a US store cause I cant trust the alibaba store item descriptions. also wanted to replace the UV lens in my filter for something stronger.
+--- 57886705
+>>57886227
+Why don't you just get a normal sac lens?
+--- 57887419
+Just found a complete PVS14 with gen3 ITT GP tubes for $1300, no blems on the tubes. What do you guys think? Anyone have info on ITT tubes? Is it hard to go wrong at the price point? Am I a colossal faggot for typing all this out?
+>pic unrelated
+--- 57887509
+>>57887419
+Very low price, almost too good to be true. I built out my PVS-14 with an ITT tube and it cost about 1800. If you can confirm it's not a scam or anything, I'd definitely jump on it. At worst, it'll be a really great tube to learn on.
+--- 57887639
+Whats the consensus on 10130/older nvd's?
+--- 57887716
+>>57887419
+Maybe the tube is well worn and the gain is down in the weeds. I don't care. It will be a good starter if you are just beginning. Do it.
+--- 57887726
+>>57887639
+>10130
+IMO anything Omni IV and beyond is going to provide the performance edge people expect for Gen 3 over Gen 2. Newer stuff is still better but a 10130 in that Omni V or VI range is going to work well for a lot of people.
+--- 57887759
+>>57887639
+For me, that is the tube series that really broke out into being a really useful format and being rugged enough for serious use without too much worry. The earlier stuff was either too fragile, too low of res, or just too low of gain to be really useful. Yeah, older stuff got the job done, but it was more hassle. 
+tldr; 10130 and 10160 are gtg provided they meet your reqs
+--- 57887857
+>>57887726
+>>57887759
+Noted, thx anons
+--- 57887862
+Does anyone know if a ITT NE 6010 F uses 10160 tubes? Or is it something else?
+--- 57888050
+>>57887862
+This listing suggests that they should
+https://astromart.com/classifieds/astromart-classifieds/nightvision/show/itt-gen-3-image-intensifier-mx10160a-milspec
+"taken from a cosmetically pristine ITT NE 6010F monocular housing "
+--- 57889423
+Picked up a Sionyx for cheap. Does anyone got advice on cheap bridges so I can pair it with a PVS-14 for shits and giggles?
+--- 57890413
+Being fuckin around with bnvd1431s for the last month and just tonight i turned them on and one of the pods didn’t turn on right away like it used to. Turned them off again then on and it was faster but the right tube def turn on first. 
+
+ Also noticed a bright white spot spilling over from the dark area onto the screen on the left tube also. (Hard to explain kinda maybe take a pic)
+
+None of this really bothers me just curious why it started happening
+--- 57890556
+>>57890413
+>bright light
+Figure out if it’s an emission point or just a bright spot.
+--- 57890558
+>>57890413
+>Also noticed a bright white spot spilling over from the dark area onto the screen on the left tube also. (Hard to explain kinda maybe take a pic)
+Pic or video if you can capture that would be helpful.
+I hope your tube isn't getting an emission point https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/emission-point-question.7107770/
+--- 57890861
+>>57889423
+The only one that I have seen that will do that config is the Nightwatch. It's not great. I would not bother.
+--- 57890877
+>>57890413
+>>57890556
+>>57890558
+
+Yeah, I get a bad vibe on this one and I usually say not to worry about it. What are the hours on it and what kind of life has it lived? Some kind of image will go a long ways towards figuring it out.
+--- 57890957
+>>57890556
+>>57890558
+>>57890877
+
+After reading a little i think i might be edge glow?
+--- 57890986
+>>57890957
+That’s what it sounds like. Tube is defective (rip). Should still be useable, though.
+
+Post a picture when you get a chance.
+--- 57891089
+>>57890957
+That is the particular vibe that I get, yes.

k/57843595.txt

@@ -594,3 +594,50 @@ lol fuck off glowie tourist
 It's about the shooting, such as the shooting of the bow, rather than the bow/gun itself, you low IQ faggot.
 
 Seriously, you are quite dumb.
+--- 57879880
+>>57872606
+but that's fiction anon
+--- 57879976
+>>57843595 (OP)
+That type of bow is quite retarded, and I'm a compound bow archer which is also quite retarded conceptually. I think recurve/olympic recurve is where it's at as far as keeping retardation to a minimum while introducing concepts like form/concentration/precision/simplicity and so on. 
+Compound bows are closer to >>57843624 this, kyudo is on the other side of the spectrum "muh zen spiritual warrior" kind of crap. I don't see any point in dressing up and having to reach a strictly formal training place when you can just grab a recurve bow in t-shirt and shorts and work on yourself any way you want in whatever grass field around town.
+Spirituality. meditation and concentration is what you make of it, practicality though is an objective tangible thing.
+--- 57880085
+>archery
+--- 57880099
+>>57843595 (OP)
+Wouldn't a better equivalent be using flintlock smoothbore pistols?
+--- 57882685
+>>57880099
+they do, see >>57855856
+--- 57884762
+>>57880099
+Impractical, annoying, and hardly "martial" in any practical sense, these days. 
+>>57872263 seems like a much better choice.
+--- 57887175
+>>57880085
+>europeons
+--- 57887568
+>>57843677
+>my one Westaboo buddy held them
+based, japanese guys are super chill and bros
+--- 57887732
+>>57856457
+imagine becoming so redpill brained that you not only write an entire paragraph completely missing the point of the thread, but also inadvertently end up shaming someone for cultural appropriation. You sound retarded, and also probably British owing to your poor mastery of the english language and mentioning the longbow when OP didn't mention it at all.
+--- 57889651
+>>57843595 (OP)
+How does one train point shooting?
+--- 57889888
+>>57889651
+google it, fuck head
+--- 57890678
+>>57864361
+Where in fuck's name do you think you are, faggot?
+--- 57890699
+>>57843595 (OP)
+>>57843713
+>>57843595 (OP)
+Japan is the only place with bayonet fighting martial arts outside of the military
+--- 57891510
+>>57855856
+The video said they were using blanks, but is owning one of those guns that won't blow up if you fire live ammunition a possibility in Japan?

k/57851236.txt

@@ -510,8 +510,6 @@ What did anon mean by this?
 --- 57876734
 >>57876721
 That M4 is a waste of space, unfit for peer conflict.
---- 57877351
->>57876734
 --- 57878602
 >>57863809
 First is Triela from Gunslinger Girl, in which she wields the M1897 shotgun and bayonet.
@@ -527,3 +525,89 @@ Thank you anon.
 --- 57879009
 >>57861661
 this person knows. this person gets it.
+--- 57879896
+>>57878968
+Extremely based.
+--- 57881374
+>>57876702
+Pretty good.
+--- 57881409
+>>57859776
+Ai Hayasaka
+--- 57881534
+>>57851236 (OP)
+>character has been out for less than 2 weeks
+>already OP's "waifu"
+You undedicated faggot OP
+--- 57883937
+>>57872199
+Best Knaifu.
+--- 57883978
+I'm back with more feedback. Everything I say is the Law.
+>>57868213
+Based as FUCK, cause it's me.
+>>57868263
+I mean it's alright
+>>57868351
+Damn good taste.
+>>57869267
+Cringe and gay and tryhard and dumb and stinky. Probably a Troon. 41% yourself.
+>>57869390
+One of the ugly bullpups. Faggot.
+>>57870602
+Insanely based. Good shit, nigga.
+>>57872120
+You're one of those gun guys who differs slightly from the other gun guys and maintains the fact that "You aren't like the other gun guys". You likely hide your power level around others. Regardless of the fact you have main character syndrome, you have good taste. Don't let my compliment boost your ego, cause you're a massive faggot.
+>>57872199
+Based, but that anime is gay. Stab yourself in the eye.
+>>57872603
+Insanely based taste minus the waifu because she is worst girl. Also undertale kinda fucking gay. (Actually, really fuckin gay.)
+>>57873357
+Horrible. Just horrible. Remove yourself from the gene pool.
+>>57873558
+You have ALRIGHT taste.
+>>57876702
+You need to be 18 to post here. And also not a massive faggot.
+>>57877511
+I'm not even clicking to enlarge that. I wish I could beat you to death with my bare hands. Go dilate with a cactus, Troon.
+--- 57884109
+>>57852224
+How does it feel to know you will never be with a goblin girl? Seriously.
+--- 57884452
+>>57851236 (OP)
+recently i have come to prefer my imaginary waifu over porn.
+--- 57884813
+>>57883978
+>Based as FUCK, cause it's me. 
+Anon that is a very bland taste.
+--- 57886289
+>>57883978
+>I'm back with more "feedback". Everything I say is cringe.
+--- 57886940
+>>57851236 (OP)
+unironic. also i hate anime.
+--- 57888346
+>>57884109
+--- 57888417
+>>57873558
+Based Lumi lover.
+--- 57888520
+>>57886940
+>x-men evolution's kitty pride
+Very based.
+
+>knaifu and raifu
+Ok interesting.
+
+>i hate anime
+Terrible taste anon. 
+
+C+
+--- 57891440
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57891467
+>>57873357
+>Fucking kill yourself
+>The red midget actually fucking does it
+Based neo.
+Also why a rondel dagger?

k/57851565.txt

@@ -1161,3 +1161,177 @@ Watch, Starship Troopers Traitor of Mars if you want to see fascist Emma Watson.
 --- 57879464
 >>57858110
 Actually it's pretty clearly defined, they just changed the term from g"lobal warming" to climate change because the former gave inept retards like yourself an aneurysm when it wasn't 86 degrees in the winter
+--- 57881541
+>>57856243
+In the time it takes for your coasting missiles to reach the target said target has already ventilated the launcher with railguns/lasers, then utilised its superior delta v to manoeuvre beyond the course correction capabilities of the missiles.
+
+Best point defence is being where the missile isn't, and this is the fundamental reason why missiles in space are of questionable utility. Spaceships are fast. Spaceships carry much more fuel than a missile. Any missile launched from far enough away to avoid projectile based retaliation will miss if the target manoeuvres at all. Any missile launched so close that the target can't evade needs to be transported through said projectile based weapons field of fire.
+--- 57882106
+>>57851776
+>No. No show, including the Expanse, has done Newtonian physics right for space combat.
+What's wrong with Expanse's Newtonian physics?
+--- 57882158
+>>57879239
+Mickey mouse march is immediately in my head, don't know why that part of the film is the first part I think of
+--- 57882190
+>>57851565 (OP)
+Ashley Williams is an accurate depiction of Military womens.
+--- 57882270
+>>57851776
+>>57881541
+>Regarding missiles, like everyone is talking about, those are generally retarded for space combat
+>and this is the fundamental reason why missiles in space are of questionable utility. Spaceships are fast. Spaceships carry much more fuel than a missile
+This is some real hot take. Projectrho is dying inside tight now.
+--- 57883071
+Has anyone here read the Frontlines series my Marko Kloos or the Palladium wars? 
+1/3 of his writing is just tungsten-tipped munitions and dropship turret calibers (1/3 self-insert)
+--- 57883140
+>>57875661
+Needing to design the satellites so they deorbit themselves is precisely because leaving it to nature will take several years as soon as you are above VLEO.
+Also I don't trust such companies to coordinate properly with others or use "self-cleaning" for more than the most minimal technically correct effort.
+
+>most
+Most CURRENT satellites and a full constellation will be nothing compared to a future infrastructure capable of building spaceship in orbit.
+By the time we get there, we'll definitely require ridiculously tight regulation that some call police-state.
+--- 57883534
+>>57851565 (OP)
+BABYLON 5 WAS OUR LAST, BEST HOPE FOR PEACE
+
+IT FAILED
+--- 57883747
+>>57857509
+you doomer idiots need to go into the corner with the warm weather hysterics and women will stop giving birth prophets. I swear to god there is a certain gene in certain human monkey types that just deeply yearns for a grand happening. Practically you types are no different then the "THE END IS NEAR" retards with the signs on the street corner
+--- 57884155
+>>57851776
+>>57881541
+>missiles in space
+Sorry anon(s) but you are very wrong, I hope you know The Expanse is built around basically engines, high-trust and nearly null consumption.
+Maybe you believe missile = short range based on how they are used in our current atmosphere&gravity based warfare where missiles are constrained by size, cruising range, top speed or limited in methods to evade hard-kill intercept.
+You saying "detectable" suggest you don't know stealth in space was never a possibility to begin with and it won't bother missiles.
+
+Even the wording is wrong:
+>To be fast, they'd need a powerful engine
+>Spaceships are fast.
+
+A missiles is literally a spaceship with only the mass needed to kill another, and yes it can be with 100% success.
+Missile do not need to be as massive nor need as much propellant to achieve the same range.
+
+A manned spaceship is going to be heavier and cannot have a high acceleration, any extra mass will reduce its range and it is mathematically impossible for a heavier spaceship with inferior acceleration to "evade" smaller missiles with higher acceleration and enough propellant to get in an intercept trajectory.
+
+Even interplanetary missiles using a expendable nuclear-bus would be 100% worth the price to kill a costlier manned spaceship.
+
+Yes you could make missile(s) launched by stupid people who can't do math waste their fuel.
+Or maybe you'll face missile(s) launched by smart people who did not leave you any mathematical way out.
+
+Do hope you'll have enough "railguns" to shot down the "lone missile" that split into hundred(s) of guided-projectiles.
+With Bola-type design (possible in space) you'd have trouble even calculating where to shoot. Or shades that only need to be between your sensors and the missiles.
+Hope you are quick because within orbits a missile could easily match the speed of a railgun.
+
+Yes it will be costly for the equivalent of "a railgun shell" but space war are going to be one-hit kill.
+--- 57884156
+>>57876905
+Get good at eating them and you'll not only 
+1) Not get eaten
+2) Make a new, close friend
+3) Have a loyal bodyguard.
+--- 57884653
+>>57851565 (OP)
+>Have any science fiction films or tv shows gotten the military right?
+
+None correctly depict orbital mechanics.
+--- 57884756
+>>57884155
+>shoots down missile
+what now, chud?
+--- 57884771
+>>57879239
+Still did a pretty good job considering that entire set was located a few miles outside of London.
+--- 57884795
+>>57882190
+>actually pulls her weight in combat and duty
+>isn't really speciest/racist like everyone claims, just accurately predicts aliens will throw humanity to the intergalactic wolves
+>tennyson enjoyer
+>family girl
+based?
+--- 57884830
+>>57884756
+>still face a swarm of guided subprojectile in a coordinated cloud that can never be shot down in time
+It's game over, man, game over!
+--- 57884985
+>>57884830
+you'd either have to split them off close to intercept, giving the ship time to shoot it down from long range, or you're splitting them off into multiple missiles with deltav vastly smaller than the one big missile, meaning the ship can outburn them easier
+however space missiles do add one interesting note to space combat, if we go the route of unmanned space warships (unlikely, someone has to do maintenance on them after all) a ramming manouver absolutely becomes an option
+--- 57885153
+>>57851639
+>>57852589
+
+...my god, the logo for this faction is just terrible.
+--- 57886941
+>>57884985
+By the time a properly designed missile-bus get in intercept range (including projectile travel time), it will be too late for a manned spaceship to evade split missiles no matter how low their dV are.
+A manned "warship" with reactor & stuff is not going to have high acceleration nor be able to vector into another direction like the dancing ships from "The Expanse".
+http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardefense.php#id--Evasive_Maneuvers--Moment_of_Inertia
+Therefore an enemy could see which way your ship is currently pointed, and insist in that direction.
+
+A smart enemy who only need some of the projectiles to hit, will scatter them so even if you burn in a direction you'd put yourself in the trajectory of another.
+Or the enemy can deduce by math what direction you are forced to take. It would be silly for you to do a burn in a direction that would deorbit your ship or on a trajectory you can not deviate from.
+
+Orbital and Interplanetary space are going to have very different dynamic. Each would favor different missiles approach.
+
+Trying to outrange a missiles will only work if the ship have vastly more dV or can force the missile into an impossibly costly maneuver.
+A missile don't carry fuel to go back, don't carry life-support, equipment and quo, it can absolutely compete with a ship and have extra dV for a final sprint.
+
+Depending of orbital mechanic the missiles can easily arrive at a speed comparable to a coilgun like the BAE project (~5 km/s)
+And if the missile-bus have the right mix of deltaV/Thrust/Time it can arrive faster than any coilgun/railgun projectile ever could.
+
+The above can be tested in ChoDE (pic) and that game don't even have complex AI-driven tactic with guided submunition swarm.
+--- 57887523
+>>57851590
+Minbari "Stealth" technology as portrayed in the prequal film "In the beginning" had a lot more to do with their sensors blinding the earth ship's targeting.
+
+Think of it like getting a spotlight pointed directly in your eyes and everything goes white. You can't just "Aim at the light" because at that moment Everything looks the same. As for physical guided or unguided munitions the FX team and JMS originally started off trying to portray very long range engagements between capital ships but later with pressure from the network moved things closer together. The universe uses Interceptor cannons and sweeping beam weapons in the same way that The Expanse used PDC cannons that screen incoming shots both ballistic and energy weapons though they seemed to have little effect on beam type cannons. The Star Fury also carries missiles as well but are not seen in the show. 
+
+In the original design docs the Star Fury used mass driver style weapons that launched solid projectiles with a magnetic accelerator but this was again changed for visuals before the show's pilot aired. In fact before The expanse B5 showed more "realism" in a scifi property than any show we had seen to date. Some time ago the writer of The Expanse and JMS crossed paths in a twitter exchange where James Corey mentioned that B5 was part of his inspiration for the books.
+--- 57887535
+>>57877747
+Fire wildly into the air
+--- 57887696
+>>57872820
+I would drag my dick through a mile of broken glass just to hear her fart through a walkie-talkie
+--- 57887753
+>>57877747
+
+Pic related.
+--- 57887850
+>>57886941
+in the guaranteed intercept scenario, what's stopping the targeted ship from shooting down that lone missile from 2-3 thousand kilometers away? That's the one thing that I feel a lot of missile fans get wrong about space combat, the PDC range isn't 1-2 kilometers like in naval warfare, there's no atmosphere to make bullets ineffective, no horizon to hide behind.Of course accuracy at such ranges is abysmal, but with your proposed 5km/s it gives the ship a lot of time to defend itself.Of course such a defence could be countered with either a same time-on-target strike or a grouped missile salvo, the first one being delta-v expensive and the other opening the strike to a nuclear counter-missile.
+Another thing, I don't see how acceleration changes anything when the COaDE style combat consists of minutes long burns alongside hours or even days of waiting, the delta v gain from having the bigger tank (thus from the square cubed law a more efficient one) does give the "slow big ship" a manouver advantage.
+--- 57887955
+>>57852271
+came to post this
+--- 57887998
+>>57851565 (OP)
+--- 57888059
+>>57857509
+--- 57888316
+>>57865404
+>As if you shut-ins have dates or something.
+Game nights, anon.
+--- 57888415
+Kind of disappointing with everything referenced ITT, nobody has brought up the two greatest spaceship combat games, Freespace and...
+--- 57888424
+>>57888415
+...Homeworld.
+--- 57888461
+>>57884156
+Seems sound, I’ll brb. I have to go find a Polynesian to eat.
+--- 57888498
+>>57856152
+that one dudes got a cool HUD eyepiece like the og halo dudes.
+--- 57890595
+>>57874896
+>Writes a story that is science fiction however based on the laws of physics and nature.
+>Completely ignores biology and states that women are just as strong as men.
+--- 57890611
+>>57851565 (OP)
+farscape

k/57852332.txt

@@ -858,3 +858,435 @@ All very effective against intercepting ballistic missiles, and some very effect
 --- 57879250
 >>57879226
 Since Reagan the American policy has hot been to seek better nuclear retaliatory capability, but nuclear invulnerability. We're (probably) not there yet with an exchange that could see thousands of warheads in the air at once, (Poutine press ebin red button), but less than 300? Piece of cake.
+--- 57880069
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>Russia collapsed immediately
+Yes, Russia is basically out of commission for the foreseeable future, they likely wouldn't be involved in a Chinese war, especially due to political conflict of interests.
+
+>Invasion of Taiwan failed
+A very likely outcome. There is a small window of opportunity, basically 2 months out of the year that would have "favorable" conditions for an amphibious invasion across the strait of Taiwan.
+
+>Korean War 2.0
+Yes, but no. As other anons have mentioned, NK brass joke about there not being a war. If China were threatened, I think they would pressure NK into attacking SK to stretch the U.S. thin, but due to the state of that country, I think they would capitulate very quickly. They would be to China what the Baltics are to NATO; a speed bump. The U.S. could negotiate some kind of agreement where Kim stays in power, but remains neutral. I really doubt they'd have much fight in them.
+
+>Iran is sitting this one out
+Not very likely. Iran and Pakistan are China's only true allies. They wouldn't pass up the opportunity to make bank off of oil sales. Expect them to be involved.
+--- 57880118
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Just blockade Chinese ports. They'll resort to cannibalism immediately. (They never actually stopped being cannibals)
+--- 57880293
+>>57880069
+Continued:
+
+With China backed into a corner, the party would be desperate for a victory. Their whole policy for the past 60 years has been to re-take Taiwan. If they can't have it, no one can.
+They would likely try to bombard Taiwan. The U.S. response would likely first be air defense (kind of like Iron Dome on steroids) and mass evacuations of civilians to Japan, Philippines, and SK.
+
+With such a large standing army and a nuclear arsenal that is smaller and less capable than the U.S., their best bet is to continue shelling Taiwan and force the U.S. to come to them.
+
+But invading China is no small feat. It would be just as difficult to pull of an amphibious invasion for the U.S. as it was for China, so that's off the table. If NK capitulated, that could be one avenue of approach, but not likely.
+
+Preventing the import of oil from Iran and Pakistan would be the first step. A naval blockade would be relatively easy as most of southeast Asia is de-facto U.S. aligned.
+
+With sea trade basically blocked, they would have to transport supplies by land through the 'stans and into Xin Jiang. This region, however, is home to 11 million Uyghurs who are heavily persecuted by Beijing. I could definitely see the U.S. supplying rebels in Xin Jiang to attack supply lines and divert manpower further inland. This could be done for other minorities throughout the country too. Basically, the CIA would start a civil war in China.
+
+Depending on how the Chinese Civil War goes, the U.S. could then ramp up supplies to their favorite "Moderate Rebel" group until they win, they could attempt a combined air and land invasion into territory held by the rebels, or force negotiations with Bejing.
+--- 57880321
+>>57855051
+>fully blockade it from the SEA straits or from the shore if naval supremacy has been attained.
+Some European faggot said it is a warcrime to blockade food ships
+--- 57880358
+>>57880293
+>mass evacuations of civilians to Japan, Philippines, and SK.
+No. They stay and defend the island. Air defense and counterbattery. Also some naval sinkings
+--- 57880406
+>>57880293
+
+you could do ALLLLLLL this, or you can just blow up all the nuke plants, the Dam and fingerblast Beijing with high explosives on day 1
+--- 57880636
+>>57880406
+>Blow up all the nuke plants
+Many of China's nukes are on mobile launch platforms in rural areas. Constantly moving too. Destroying the missle won't necessarily cause a full nuclear explosion, and would only cause damage withing a small radius in the middle of nowhere.
+
+>Blow up the 3 Gorges dam
+That would likely require a low-yield nuclear missile, basically guaranteeing a Chinese Nuclear response. It would also kill nearly 100,000,000 people, mostly civilians and displace another 400,000,000 creating the greatest humanitarian catastrophe in history. 
+
+Even if this plan worked, and there was no Chinese nuclear retaliation, and the U.S. won handily, you do know that the American taxpayer would be footing the bill for humanitarian aid for the next 200 years, right?
+
+The Chinese Civil War 2.0: Erectric Boogaroo plan causes fewer civilian casualties and makes the U.S. less directly culpable.
+--- 57880645
+>>57880636
+
+I am sorry, your point is?
+--- 57880648
+>>57880321
+Euroids seethe
+--- 57880661
+>>57880645
+Me: Big smart
+You: Big dumb
+--- 57880708
+>>57880661
+
+whats the problem with 100m casualties?
+
+perhaps they shouldnt start shit right where most of their population is?
+
+and i am talking about nuclear plants, you know the kind that produces 2 headed carp in the run off pool
+--- 57881168
+>>57863836
+>>57863905
+
+Without imported energy they can neither use the habner process to fix nitrogen in sufficient quantities nor run the machinery to maintain production. Thus output will drop. That's the real issue, they could try to use entirely domestic natural gas but that will mean next to nothing going to industrial processes.
+--- 57881193
+>>57880636
+>kill nearly 100,000,000 people, mostly civilians and displace another 400,000,000 creating the greatest humanitarian catastrophe in history.
+Is that not the point? Tough as a geologist I can tell you that you don't need a nuke to collapse that damn you simply need regular bunker busters to compromise it, once gravity damns start to go things get interesting due to the weird way unconsolidated sediment behaves when subjected to a great deal of kinetic force.
+
+And unless the nuke was part of a bunker buster that could penetrate the damn structure prior to detonating its actually not that effective against hard targets.
+--- 57881319
+>>57880708
+>perhaps they shouldnt start shit right where most of their population is?
+you're a fucking moron.
+--- 57881326
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Nobody wants ti invade China. In a war, China would get its cost bombed and be blockaded until they starve or civil war erupts.
+--- 57881438
+>>57881326
+>China would get its cost bombed and be blockaded
+lol
+retard
+--- 57881732
+>>57878305
+>>57878452
+>Do you think that china, with its mostly corvette-based navy,
+Boomer cope detected. In the last 10 years China launch more blue water warship than the rest on the world combined.
+Yes, you are an ignorant dumbass
+--- 57881832
+>>57881732
+I mean it wouldbe nice if the hatches closed but that’s Chinese engineering for ya
+--- 57881879
+>>57881832
+>American doesn't understand what that video means
+--- 57882079
+>>57852332 (OP)
+a ground invasion of China would be impossible.
+
+Their mega cities are too big for infantry to clear. it would be literally impossible.
+--- 57882098
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Send the buckbroken pidors in human waves to chyna
+--- 57882116
+>>57881326
+And what if...China fights back? What if China don't just sit and take it, and instead they start breaking blockade, sending their bombers and missiles to attack USA?
+--- 57882559
+>>57882116
+>sending their bombers and missiles to attack USA?
+the world rejoice.
+--- 57882647
+>>57882116
+
+They would first run into the second largest air force in the world, the US Navy. Soon followed by the largest air force in the world, the US Air Force. 
+
+Look, we get it, you need those 5 renmimbi per post to feed your family. But you can't argue away facts. China fighting anywhere past the immediate vicinity of its shores is a non-starter - as soon as they sail out of their own missile and aircraft range, the tyranny of distance turns right around and against them. The blockading force would have use of bases all around them as china has VERY seriously pissed off their neighbours and convinced them that unless china's imperial ambitions are checked, it'll be like japan in the 30s all over again. They're left fighting an uphill battle against an encirclement that can be adapted and augmented with air power & satellite surveillance as force multipliers. No amount of fleet tonnage will solve that problem.
+--- 57882666
+>>57880293
+I like the "Mujahideen the Uighurs" plan, but from a /k/ perspective pulling a Korean War pt. 2 before crossing the Yalu and fighting through Liaoning to Beijing would be objectively cooler, even if it's absolutely impossible until America sets up a comprehensive SDI successor that effectively makes ICBMs obsolete. If you did do that, you could focus on seizing the capitol and securing the capitulation of the Tier 1/2 port cities and force the government into the interior, cutting them off from not only their coastal supply lines but also the majority of their industrial base.
+--- 57882684
+>>57881732
+>launched
+>just because i launched 80 blue water warships in a decade i will best the US that still has more water warships that are battletested, battleready, and of higher wuakity
+lets see objective numbers. actual tonnage of chinese vs american blue water warships.
+and remember, you wont just be fending off pirates, but the navies of south east asia, all of which dont have to spread themselves thin within the entire supply chain from the persian gulf to asia, and thats not even taking into consideration the US.
+--- 57882700
+>>57882666
+
+take the ports, drop the chinks
+
+they seem to think the US will sit there and watch them perform, thats how lacking of experience they are
+--- 57882735
+>>57882116
+so china will somehow magically defeat all the navies and airforce of the first and second island chains, defeat the US navy, which also happens to be the 2nd largest airforce in the world, and then invade US airspace to bomb americans by beating the USAF which is the largest airforce?
+Words are easy to say but reality tends to be harsher than that.
+--- 57882927
+>>57852955
+
+This is the only economical way to do it. Invasion catastophic beyond retarded and would only serve to keep CCP trolls in power while the rest of the chinese would be content in eating their neighbours for sustenance. 
+
+Their ability to wage modern warfare nullified and supply chains been cut off, they will eventually rip themselves apart, or the CCP in best case scenario.
+--- 57883041
+>>57859560
+
+Being neutered and blockaded means that only a fraction of their shitty icbms will avoid being intercepted. And those that manage to get through, have to get through additional layers of countermeasures, each with multiple attempts due to the low number of icbms they have to engage.
+--- 57883262
+What does it mean exactly?
+--- 57883314
+>You fool! you fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asian!
+--- 57883994
+>>57883262
+It means muttards itt are exactly that: mutt retards
+--- 57884349
+>>57882735
+Are you implying that US navy will operate inside the first and the second island chain?
+
+I think US Navy will fuck off and preffer to fight against Civilian vessels in straits, terrorizing them wtih threats to not go to China, but they would never go even close to China out of fear of meeting the fate of Moskva cruiser. US Navy would probably be telling American government what they want to hear - just a few more days of bombing, and Kiev...sorry, just a few more days of blockade and BEIJING will start negotiating surrender! I swear, we calculated everything! And we will have threads here with "The 894 day of "All China Famine in 3 days"".
+--- 57884576
+>>57882684
+Show me an warship with dual band AESA radar. Or carrier with DC catapult.
+US navy dont have enough modern warships to compare 
+
+>>57882735
+China has so much missiles that nothing on the 1st or 2nd island chain will survive.
+Also US Navy airforce haven't been smaller than PLAAF for years. Your boomer knowledge are outdated.
+--- 57884698
+>>57852955
+>blockade
+The boring but obvious answer. In fact, that is exactly how this will go down and China knows it hence the frenzied blue-water buildup.
+--- 57884743
+>>57884576
+can we see it?
+--- 57884764
+>>57884743
+055, 052d and 003 all have dual band AESA. Now show me your shitty outdated ship
+--- 57884871
+>>57884576
+Yes, on all the new bloc F-18s and F-35, and they've been installing them for three years on all new vessels as well as retrofitting old ones. You do realize that having shit in a mast changes nothing right? The Ford's explicitly had this as an intended feature from the design phase onward.
+https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-us-navy-dual-band-radars-05393/
+
+You must realize this is nothing special right? Duals Bands have existed for decades and AESA was pioneered on US aircraft.
+
+I don't know if you're trolling with your ESL diction or a genuine chink.
+
+
+Chinks are so preoccupied with the carriers yet I see no way they can interdict the 50 nuclear attack submarines in the US fleet. It's like saying the post civil war US Fleet could beat the British Navy because it had more ironclads, forgetting they were all costal defense ships.
+--- 57884934
+>>57884871
+Show me the number of US ship with dual band AESA then
+Also, Ford catapult are AC, which is less reliable and versatile than the DC catapult on the 003, that's why Ford can't use F35 yet.
+--- 57885372
+>>57884934
+im sorry, but lets say youre correct. how is your dual band AESA on your fujian that isnt even operational going to fare against at least 11 nimitz/ford class carriers again? And its a big fucking assumption that youre correct since youre full of shit.
+Oh yeah, and how is a radar going to help with your trade dependency on fuel that is defintiely going to be raided by EVERY country since they all hate you?
+How is your radar going to fix demographics like this again?
+Sorry, this was never even supposed to be a navy argument. this was always supposed to be realization that china is fucked no matter what it does. you can fantasize in your head about chinese nukes raining on the US and island chain cities. it wont save you.
+--- 57885436
+>>57885372
+Stop moving the goal post mutt. How many US warships has dual band AESA radar? Afraid to admit that the US navy is outdated?
+--- 57885438
+>>57884934
+>>57885372
+You are both myopic cheerleaders with no genuine knowledge of or interest in the military capabilities of either country. The closest to /k/ either of you will ever be is serving as the jingoistic flag-wavers necessary to kick off a major regional conflict while the rest of the world looks on and says "Nobody could be dumb enough to start another war."
+--- 57885469
+>>57885436
+i think youre the one moving goalposts. everyone here has acknowledged that Chinese society is fucked if it loses trade. which it will if it invaded taiwan and fails. youre the only one trying to prove PLAN superiority over USN over one simple variable in an aircraft carrier china only has one of.
+--- 57885499
+>>57885469
+I repeat again: How many US warships has dual band AESA radar?
+--- 57885512
+>>57885469
+I am another anon, but it's funny how you try to change topic. The guy discussing actual /k topic of radars and weapons, and you try to run away from it, trying to derail conversation into some nonsensical trade socio economic bs?
+--- 57885628
+>>57885436
+DDG-120
+DDG-122
+DDG-123
+
+Fords, all of them, though the earlier ones aren't as good.
+
+LCS-19
+LCS-22
+LCS-32
+LCS-21
+LCS-26
+LCS-24
+LCS-28
+
+Can't find a list of the ones that were retrofit, probably a matter of convenience so it will be years before all existing ships get anything new. You do realize that naval ships have been using 4 or more bands since the 60s and that computer controlled arrays have existed for a long time? Without the specifications of the particular radar AESA doesn't say much and being a dual band system means little except for saved space and easier integration of data(ie yet more space saved). I mean its not useless but I have no idea why you are shilling for it so hard, is this a talking point your handlers have insisted on?
+
+>Ford catapult are AC, which is less reliable and versatile than the DC catapult on the 003 
+Post sortie rate.
+--- 57885640
+>>57885512
+this was my original post. i never changed my stance on this. >>57853473
+this is a weapons board, but what good are weapons when the society supporting the military fails.
+that is what everybody in this thread has been trying to explain to our dear autist here. Theres no need for a land invasion. convince countried to stop trading with china and now it loses imoorts and exports without war. if anything, this is the pinnacle of warfare.
+--- 57885737
+>>57885628
+Zero then. 
+China has:
+052d x 25 + 10 under construction 
+055 x 8 + 1 under construction 
+003
+Thanks for proving my point that Chinese warships are techonogically ahead of the USA.
+>>57885640
+USA lost the trade war, that's why you are in inflation while China isn't affected. Also China has the same median age as the USA and has better automation and infrastructure. China is in a much better condition than the USA. Please don't wake up.
+--- 57886068
+>>57885737
+Bugmen be gone!
+--- 57886177
+>>57852332 (OP)
+What the fuck is this fan fiction you absolute mongoloid?
+--- 57886221
+>>57885640
+ Dude imagine if any time you were to discuss wars and weapons, people would point out that USA is full of NIGGERS and in case of a war, they would all chimp out and the crime would go through the roof, with cities in USA turning into the war zones, with spontaneous racially diverse millitia and bandit gangs popping up everywhere. Because let's be frank, Tyrone is not going to fight for USA, but worsening economic outlook will force him to be even more criminal and aggressive, while all the white boys be dying God knows for what on the other side of the Pacific. So basically your American demographics are screwed, but war with China will do irreparable damage even further. White birthrates are plummeying, Democrats are electing trannies and pedos into the positions of power everywhere, sterilizing the last white kids while convincing them to be "stars" for ugly drag perverts. 
+Do you think all of this relevant to war? If not, then why the fuck you pretend that this type of shit is relevant when discussing China?
+--- 57886294
+>>57885628
+LCS (the newer ones) are equipped with TRS-4D, which is a C band radar from Hensoldt. They're not dual band. 
+You're confusing AESA with dual band AESA because you're a fucktard.
+--- 57886306
+>>57885737
+see >>57886294
+the guy you're replying to is a fucking moron.
+Instead of debating the exact merits of a dual band AESA this bitch googled AESA and shat out a worthless list. He probably doesn't even know what the first AMDR proposal was.
+--- 57886367
+>>57863905
+Operation "Make them as fat as US" is working I see...
+--- 57886661
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Biden would fight on the side of china
+--- 57886739
+Implessive, as a chang from changsha, I’m devastated by this hypothesis, and deeply demoralized by the sheer amount of shitposts. I decided that I will not defend china, instead I will flee to the US and breed their women.
+--- 57887146
+>>57886221
+People say that constantly, literally constantly.
+--- 57887179
+>>57885737
+>china isnt affected
+you can keep deluding yourself but it doesnt change china's oil import dependency, their fertilizer import dependency, and their lockdown of beijing for an entire year because of COVID lmao.
+>china has the same median age
+thats not what matters in a demographic statistic. and I wouldnt brag about that exactly. with demographics this shit, the same median age just means that chinese birth rates are so bad that the population is at the same median age as the US despite US superiority in medical technology.
+see the dark blue here? >>57885372
+that is the excess male population in china. that is called trouble, since they wont find domestic mates. thank you one child policy but what i would be WAY more concerned about are the up and down spikes in population as you look at the ages. you can basically expect a 20-30 year gap between a population and their children. 20-40 year olds are responsible for making new 0-20 year olds. notice something? that's right, there's half as many 0-20 year olds as 20-40 year olds. Youre getting a halving of the population within a single generation. That doesnt bode well for when those 20-40 year olds retire. remember, big population = big children, small population = small children. Eventually, you just don't have enough people to maintain the large cities and industrial manufacturing complex that china needed in becoming modern. This is why the west is obsessed with immigration by the way.
+--- 57887236
+>>57886221
+if this was a discussion about waging war on the US, then american demographics, and possible american insurgencies are absolutely relevant to the discussion. moreso than the weapons themselves. Weapons dont mean shit if you cant make them, maintain them, and then shoot them because of domestic problems. unfortunately for you america didnt shoot itself in the dick with a one child policy for 50 years, and they have ample domestic food, fertilizer, and energy production domestically.
+--- 57887405
+>>57887179
+>you can keep deluding yourself but it doesnt change china's oil import dependency, their fertilizer import dependency, and their lockdown of beijing for an entire year because of COVID lmao.
+Yet it's the USA that's in inflation not China, funny isn't it?
+--- 57887433
+>>57887405
+China also experienced inflation, their currency is just already devalued so they didn't notice.
+--- 57887475
+>>57887433
+Explain why the prices of food and staples in China are still at pre covid level then?
+--- 57887495
+>>57887475
+>and staples
+Are staples really considered an economic indicator over there?
+--- 57887512
+>>57852955
+>Without food imports a 3rd of the population will die within a few years
+Between One Child, dams like 3 Gorges going down day one by Taiwan or Japan alone, and "seven year grain stockpiles" being sold faster than Russian ERA, it's safe to say that Red China depopulates radically inside 6 months. The place isn't worth keeping, much less occupying. 
+
+>>57863836
+The GDP numbers are fantasy, Chang.
+--- 57887528
+>>57887475
+Offset by the communal rice halls which have put many local businesses deep in the red, and so hilariously failed during every food crisis.
+--- 57887530
+>>57863905
+>Reddit spacing
+This >>57881168 Enjoy endless swine ebola communist
+--- 57887629
+>>57880636
+Chinese nuclear response would be intercepted and also give us justification to nuke the entire Chinese coast and wipe the disgusting barbarians out once and for all.
+--- 57887703
+>>57884349
+Is yellow fever really insane enough to compare US to fucking russia but fail to see the direct parallel to it that is china?
+--- 57887922
+>>57887495
+>doesn't know what consumer staples means
+Ok retard
+--- 57888032
+>>57886294
+>>57886306
+
+No faggot I looked at the backlog for defense industry daily I then looked to see when they said dual band AESA was to be implemented on both destroys and LCS. According to everything I read they operate on C and X while the chinks operate on C and S. I then named the relevant ships fitted out and commissioned after that date as well as any others they mentioned, namely the Fords. It was my understanding they were sticking SPY-3/ SPY-4 on a bunch of shit and SPY-6 on others all of which are dual band aesa.
+
+If they are wrong then so be it but I haven't seen anything about a delay in the implementation so those should be the relevant ships. And I guess they want to equipped some the amphibious assets and frigates with them, but I can't find any information about them actually being installed.
+--- 57888261
+>>57888032
+Also the APG-81 which is on the planes can operate on X and SHF and is an aesa. Once again, I don't know why the chink is obsessed with this particular system?
+--- 57888552
+>>57888261
+why are you coping with the F-35's radar? We're talking about shipborne systems here, muttigger.
+--- 57889048
+>>57888032
+US has 10 Ship AESA, 7 of them are useless LCS.
+China has 33 Destroyer with dual band AESA, with 9 more coming out in 2023. China's next batch of 54B frigate will also have AESA.
+Also, Ford use AC catapult which an inferior tech to DC catapult on the 003. AC catapults are less reliable and cant launch heavy aircraft, while DC catapult can launch both UAV, fighter and AWAC
+
+PLAN has a greater number of modern warships than the USN that's a fact. Stay delusional
+--- 57889327
+>>57860736
+thats not really a feasible idea due to the same reason that there are few train tracks from Russia to China
+land routes are extremely expensive, and this is ignoring the time it would take for Russia/China, assuming it was willing which is dubious since the western world would probably financially incentivize them not to be, to actually build the infrastructure required. 
+iirc, assuming there is no conflict going on and nations are not joining sanctions, land route shipping is roughly 8x~ more expensive (the number would be a LOT higher in actual conflict)
+--- 57889415
+>>57873980
+>all our hopes of force projection are basically gone forever
+>what do you mean the nation pivoted production when war broke out? why aren't they just building the same thing?
+--- 57889428
+>this whole thread
+--- 57889503
+>>57889048
+>if i reduce ships to its radar and its emal type i can claim that the entire USN is useless
+>conveniently forgets that PLAN has 48 vs USN 62 destroyers
+>conveniently forgets that china has 2 obsolete ramp carriers, fujian isnt even in active service
+>USN has 10 active nimitz carrier, 1 ford class carrier
+>b-but muh emal and radar
+not so relevant when USAF has airfield and bases everywhere in the island chain for AWACS and heavier bombers, even assuming your entire crap about "m-muh DC catapult is le better because it just is" bullshit is true.
+So yeah, maybe two factors don't just win you naval engagements out of your ass, especially when youre heavily outnumbered, and geograohically surrounded by nations that hate you. 
+again, i also always found it interesting that you just ignore the japanese, SK, aus, indian, and SEA navy who the US will call to get in on humiliating the chinese. turns out, people dont like authoritarian governments that blatantly steal intellectual property and brazenly copy US designs of their warships.
+
+So yeah, the only one who has ever coped in this entire thread is you. because youre coping that your dual band AESA is somehow going to save you for the shitshow that will come if you attack and fail to take taiwan.
+--- 57889556
+>>57853738
+>>antichrist does his thing 
+>>Christ does his thing 
+>>aliens were also there 
+>>turns out everything was just consciousness, magnetism, and electricity
+>>magnetism
+
+Oh shit it’s the Lost finale
+--- 57889577
+>>57852336
+fpbp
+--- 57889632
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>he thinks America won't be in a full out internal race war by 2027 and will be in any type of position to invade China after getting embarrassed in Afghanistan and getting nothing after 20 years of effort 
+Fucking kek
+You will never win any war again
+--- 57889667
+>>57889503
+>conviently forget that all of US destoyer are outdated.
+>conviently forget that Chinese destoyer has asbm that outrange carriers.
+>conviently forget that all US bases in asia will get deleted wothin the first our of the war.
+Also China can build more ship and weapons than the entire NATO. US cs China is reverse pacific war.
+
+>just ignore the japanese, SK, aus, indian, and SEA navy who the US will call to get in on humiliating the chinese. turns out,
+Too puny and outdated to make difference 
+China is not locked in with you, you are locked in with China.
+--- 57889879
+>>57889667
+>X are obsolete if i say they are
+show us. prove it
+>meanwhile only active aircraft carriers uses RAMP. also only have 2 (TWO) of them
+not a good look my dude.
+>neighbours too puny and outdated to make a difference
+i bet the russians thought that too before invading ukraine.
+--- 57891307
+>>57889632
+You do realize a race war results in a white American victory and extermination of 100 million muds/jews within 6 months? There won't be a multipolar world but rather a practically disarmed world at the mercy of merciless american empire. 50 Nuclear attack subs will sink or steal every major shipment on the sea lanes. Medicine, food, fertilizer, and energy will cease to move. Society will collapse. And heartless white killers will stalk the ashes of global civilization feeding on you all for the sheer joy of murder.
+--- 57891532
+>>57889327
+Dude, if this was in peace time then 8X more expensive would indeed mean - "unfeasible, non-practical, economical waste". 
+But if we are talking about WAR TIME and this is a choice between certain death or...spending 8X time more money on something to prevent that death by expanding the route to Russia and running more trains and cars on it, then economic consideration of market capitalism from peace time go fuck out of the window. What matters is POSSIBILITY and not FEASIBILITY.
+So is it possible to get resources from Russia in case of the naval blockade at sea? Yes. Is it feasible? Who the fuck cares, and if someone cares - just shoot him in the head and continue discussion without this dumb element who doesn't understand the reality of the war situation. In war times people don't think about profit, they think about security. All of the US bases in Afghanistan had several trucks with constantly running engines, non stop, 365 days a year engines eating oil for 20 years - for security, in case the base is under attack and they need to make sure that engine will be running already. You think someone in US government said - "but this is expensive"? 
+China and Russia have great expertise in building the rail networks, so in case of war, i bet they can just employ millions of workers to expand those rail lines in all directions. For Russia it would be enormous profit and for China the life line.
+--- 57891545
+>Sinoschizo thread #3937283
+filtered
+Ban all Sinoshizos
+Rangeban all East Asian IPs

k/57853979.txt

@@ -656,3 +656,186 @@ Get a 56S-2 and get to work.
 They're are 2 factory 56S-2 spikers in the US that I'm aware of so you'll definitely be piecemealing it together.
 Bakelite sidefolders are cool, but it's just a rifle.
 >But if you have the means, don't let your dreams stay dreams
+--- 57879930
+>>57878855
+Same way a sig 55x series is considered an AK.
+--- 57880143
+Suck my dick tranny discord niggers. Ukraine and Russia suck
+--- 57880449
+>>57879389
+Nice photo
+--- 57880545
+>>57864595
+Every time I said I didn’t really care for Zastavas rifles there’d always be a few pop up and seethe comment about how they’re justasgood etc. but here we are. I know all manufacturers have problems from time to time but I just don’t trust Zastavas metallurgy
+--- 57880587
+>>57865127
+Regular poly coated or even non coated steel case would’ve been fine too as long as you didn’t leave in in the water for days. The powder would’ve been dry. Only problem would’ve been rust if you left them wet for too long
+--- 57880601
+>>57865299
+Yea, Barnaul and Golden Tiger are the two greatest
+--- 57880678
+>>57874006
+Nice b8
+--- 57881306
+>>57872176
+>>57872201
+>>57872673
+they were closed yesterday if they still have it when i get off work i'll buy it today
+--- 57881349
+>>57878015
+>If I recall correctly
+That it was. It's probably destroyed now ;__;
+--- 57881733
+>>57877897
+Very true. Mine was awful to shoot out of the box. I only shot two mags through mine to make sure everything worked before I filed my form 1. It was so awful to shoot that I didn’t touch it again until it was chopped. Now it’s a joy to shoot.
+--- 57882589
+>>57881306
+tell me where it's at I'll buy it
+--- 57883185
+Not an AK, but any VZ 58 fags in here? Which one is most clone correct? Black and buy barf furniture separately, or the gray that comes with barf furniture? Roughly same price. Also which flash hider should I get for maximum Czech autism?
+
+https://atlanticfirearms.com/czech-small-arms-vz-58-military
+
+https://atlanticfirearms.com/vz-58-rifle-military-gray-phenolic-czechpoint#
+--- 57884574
+>>57880449
+In what way? thats a reddit tard tier picture
+--- 57884582
+>>57884574
+why be so negative friend?
+--- 57884611
+>>57883185
+pretty sure czech point sends in vz58 to kikelantic, don't know much about vz58's but I assume those are straight form the source, and the sell out really quick though
+--- 57884668
+>>57884611
+So since posting I was reading that grey is the original finish
+--- 57885550
+>>57854536
+Trijicon mro hd
+--- 57887136
+>>57883185
+Grey is correct but that grey is quite light colored.
+--- 57887173
+>>57885550
+Those are still complete trash
+--- 57887485
+>>57861954
+*sks
+--- 57887539
+>>57861954
+buy these they're everywhere
+https://www.amazon.com/Cancelling-Shooting-Silicone-Lightweight-Construction/dp/B095797SMS?ac_md=5-3-RWFycGx1Z3M%3D-ac_d_hl_hl_rf&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D
+--- 57887828
+>>57861954
+Wear ear plugs under your muffs you fucking retard
+--- 57888477
+>tfw they're one of us
+--- 57888769
+>>57854536
+Obzor
+--- 57888777
+I am tempted to buy an ak pistol in 7.62x39mm but don't know whether to buy the WBP mini Jacek or the Zastava ak pistols. Are any of them stamped or milled?
+--- 57888835
+>>57888477
+>one of us
+>youtube content creator
+NEVER
+NEVER
+TIME AND TIME AGAIN
+NEVER
+--- 57888850
+>>57879249
+Based
+--- 57888868
+>make a new video about the sam7 despite having multiple videos about it
+>put it up on fudbroker the next day
+t-thanks misha
+--- 57888941
+>>57888835
+pretty sure that's just some guy working at zastava usa lmao
+--- 57889087
+>>57888777
+There is a WPB Mini Jack on a milled receiver but the rest of them are all stamped including the Zastava ones.
+I love my M92 for what its worth, it is a kit build though so its not exactly the same as what is sold today.
+--- 57889197
+>>57889087
+I prefer a stamped receiver for a WBP but I don't think there is any mention of it in AoA unless I am being retarded.
+--- 57889202
+>>57854536
+Whatever your prefered red dot is.
+
+If not a red dot than irons.
+--- 57889233
+>>57888769
+If you can even find one and are prepared to pay a lot
+--- 57889247
+>>57889202
+Is that one of those WBP parts kits? Neat.
+>>57889197
+$800 + tax and tip.
+https://armsofamerica.com/wbp-polish-mini-jack-ak47-7-62x39-pistol/
+--- 57889251
+>>57854536
+Like my T2 on my 74u, and my PA 3x on my 74
+--- 57889284
+>>57889251
+Forgot to add why, big retard moment. Like my T2 because I don't plan on using my 74u past 300yds and it's the perfect dot for the gun imo. Could have put it further if I drilled my dust cover for a stormwerkz but I could never do that 
+ to this gun. 
+
+Bought my 3x mostly because of that rob ski vid, and it's been pretty good to me thus far. And it's on the cheaper end too. I don't have a range to shoot past 300yds, but 300yd and in it's been great for me. Could definitely push it further though.
+--- 57889324
+>>57888868
+Some retard will buy it, Reddit still praises the sam7 series as one of the best AKs
+--- 57889329
+>>57889233
+There was one for sale on the files but yeah its expensive as fuck. $750 is too much
+I've never used one personally but if they're anything like they are in Tarkov, they are ass lmao.
+--- 57889356
+>>57889233
+Worst tint of any optic ever made. Wouldn't use it for free.
+--- 57889366
+>>57889247
+>https://armsofamerica.com/wbp-polish-mini-jack-ak47-7-62x39-pistol/
+Why is there no mention of it being a stamped on the description?
+--- 57889367
+>>57889329
+They are pretty decent irl, Tarkov is pretty shit game tho
+--- 57889390
+>>57889367
+They're dogshit. A $100 holosun or romeo5 is 10x better
+--- 57889403
+>>57889390
+I mean I'd rather buy an aimpoint instead of funding the chinese MIC
+--- 57889435
+>>57889403
+I mean I'd rather buy an eotech/trijicon instead of funding eurofag sissies
+--- 57889450
+>>57889435
+Trijicon sure but Eotech? lmao tier
+--- 57889682
+>>57889366
+I believe its due to how they list the product
+they specifically have one listing that has milled in the title
+Otherwise you just have to tell from the picture (and hope what they have as the picture is what they send you)
+https://armsofamerica.com/classic-milled-mini-jack/
+--- 57889686
+>>57889247
+No its a izzy kit with a 105 block
+--- 57889872
+>>57889324
+They aren't gonna buy it because it's an Arse Anal, they're gonna buy it because Mishaco owned it
+--- 57889881
+>>57889682
+Ok. And the Zastava alternative?
+--- 57889898
+>>57889881
+it's called a Zastava ZPAP92
+--- 57890531
+>>57854894
+stay strong
+--- 57890723
+>>57873332
+Sup bro
+--- 57890736
+>>57889087
+Mines at the local ak smith. I hope to join you soon king

k/57857018.txt

@@ -732,3 +732,170 @@ That's not a kimono, that's a maid outfit.
 --- 57878611
 >>57874702
 Its a shitty .22 made by armscor, a philippine gun company.
+--- 57880006
+Bump
+--- 57880015
+>>57880006
+now that's a nice rollstamp, how much was it?
+--- 57880071
+>>57880015
+Thanks, it was 1600 euro back in 2013 IIRC
+--- 57881122
+>>57881065
+Does anyone know if the airsoft repro handguards for a m203 would fit a real rifle?
+--- 57881251
+>>57857018 (OP)
+Who makes 300 blk barrel for this build? Suppressor would be on it instead though.
+--- 57881821
+>>57877740
+Very nice, is that a del-ton heavy barrel? What buffer spring do you have in there?
+--- 57881944
+>>57874702
+Armscor M1600, chambered in .22lr. Made in the Philippines in like the 80s or some shit to give consumers a cheap M16 look alike since ARs weren't as common as they are today. It was the ugliest thing I saw at the gunshow that day so I had to get it. They make an even more ridiculous looking variant though.
+--- 57882828
+>>57862772
+>MOE grips are the nicest ones
+Exactly correct now buy yourself some and replace that awful stock grip you still have
+--- 57883020
+>>57857018 (OP)
+>carry handle gen
+Heh nothing personnel bro
+--- 57884655
+>>57878611
+Neat
+--- 57885123
+>>57881821
+It's by Warsport, one of a handful (3?) of prototypes they made. Using an H1 for the buffer.
+--- 57885769
+what up my niggers
+--- 57886134
+>>57876428
+with no light?
+--- 57886161
+>>57857018 (OP)
+is the PSA H&R stuff good? anybody bought one yet? i was thinking of getting one when their models with the forward assist come back in stock.
+--- 57886211
+>>57857018 (OP)
+--- 57886278
+>>57886211
+JB Weld?
+--- 57886290
+>>57886278
+Picatinny
+--- 57886332
+>>57863112
+faggot
+--- 57886402
+it'd be nice if brownells gets some more smith enterprise carry handle rails in.
+--- 57886423
+>>57864399
+>>57863686
+My Bushmaster I bought right after the AWB expired.
+--- 57886545
+My cheapo Colt LEO trade-in upper on a poverty pony. Originally bought it just for the upper receiver and was going to swap in a government 20" barrel but I like the light weight of the skinny boi. Just need to hunt down a pad that fits the retro stock to stop it sliding around on slippery fabric.
+--- 57886593
+>>57871867
+Range day today went well. I was able to sight in and get the adjustable gas block tuned. No troubles at all. Still waiting on my form 1 and form 4 for the suppressor.
+>>57881251
+For a Colt 733 like I've got in 300 blackout, CMMG made a 12.5" mock dissy setup. It's not clone correct because it's a rifle length handguard. Good luck finding any though, they stopped production years ago.
+Best option is to do what I did, get an Odin Works 10.5" and pin a non F marked FSB to it. The barrel maintains the same diameter forward of the gas journal so you can do this relatively easy. Most barrels taper or narrow forward of the gas journal. Colt 733s were either 11.5" or 10.5" so it works. The low profile gas block you get with it just barely fits under the old style slim handguards.
+--- 57886935
+>>57886161
+I got one recently, gray anodized. Well built with really tight tolerances, receivers have zero slop. They have some black anodized M16A1's and 723's in stock right now.
+--- 57887004
+>>57886545
+>poverty pony with an aluminum stock
+Promag has one. Search Carbine stock recoil pad.
+--- 57887032
+>>57862001
+give it back tyrone
+--- 57887513
+>>57886593
+That's pretty cool. I had been wanting to do something similar for a while and thought about just dimpling a 300 barrel and tapping an old fsb for set screws, but then I ended up with a "COMMANDO CAL. 5.56" lower.
+
+>>57886161
+Got a stripped receiver set from them a few months ago. No issues so far, closes up tight.
+--- 57887611
+>>57881944
+>DW SUK
+--- 57887921
+>>57864399
+Very close not bad
+>>57886423
+this one is more accurate to the m4 in CS 1.6/CSS because of the detachable ch
+--- 57888503
+>>57857018 (OP)
+Based thread. Lots of pencils.
+--- 57888513
+>>57888503
+Forgot contribution.
+--- 57888522
+>>57888513
+what sight and stock?
+--- 57888540
+>>57887921
+When I got it I thought it was pretty high speed with the big “Colt style” knobs.
+--- 57888637
+>>57857058
+Cry more, bitch nigger
+--- 57888650
+>>57857058
+>another migraine war thread
+I think we have worse problems
+--- 57888660
+>>57888522
+The optic is a poortex strikefire. Basically their 30mm tube. Just took it out of that godawful mount. Not sure what brand the stock is. Picked it up from a parts bin at my lgs.
+--- 57888716
+>>57888660
+does anyone know where to get those kino shiny sets of A2 furniture? everywhere I look its just matte
+--- 57888738
+>>57888637
+do you know if anyone makes A2 stocks with a swiveling joint like the A1, even if just swiveling side to side or up and down like yours?
+
+>Captcha
+8THNK
+--- 57888831
+>>57888738
+I unno. It's an type D buttstock I got for making my early 604 clone before the price went full retard a while back. ffs theyre like 300$ now that I looked
+It doesn't twist sideways. Just swivels forward and back
+--- 57888968
+>>57882828
+the A1 stock and the MOE handguard are the best
+>>57886161
+I have one of their barrels but I missed out on getting a receiver
+probably going to need to send the barrel back if it's canted (which it probably is because lol PSA)
+apparently Mike went down there and started beating people purple after he figured out what was going on with the front sight blocks
+--- 57888973
+>>57888738
+I actually rattlecanned mine with a black semi to somewhat mimic that. Turned out fairly convincing in person. More noticeable on a1 handguards I did it on.
+--- 57888987
+>>57888503
+that is because pencil is objectively correct
+--- 57889008
+>>57888987
+Agreed anon.
+--- 57889085
+1/12 or 1/7 twist. leaning 12 for the authenticity
+--- 57889107
+>>57889085
+You should do 1/7, without a doubt
+--- 57889168
+I love my 723 knockoff but I hate buffer tube stocks cuz they pull my beard hair out and it gets so annoying. I’m thinking about stripping it and building it as a 715/C7 knockoff so I don’t have to be clean shaven to enjoy it but then it feels redundant cuz I already have an A1 and A2 and the C7 isn’t that much different.
+--- 57889198
+>>57889085
+Have both, rarely shoot anything other than 55gr and can’t tell the difference. My 1/12 doesn’t keyhole with 62gr but doesn’t shoot as tight as with 55gr. If 1/12 was all I had I wouldn’t care in the slightest because I’m already rarely if ever shooting anything other than m193 and with that it’s perfectly fine.
+--- 57889346
+>>57889198
+this
+Fuckers act like you have a current chinese issued rifle with a 1/12
+--- 57889862
+>>57889168
+Very nice 16" anon.
+--- 57890657
+>>57889862
+>16”
+--- 57890964
+>>57890657
+>>16"
+--- 57891649
+>>57880071

k/57857308.txt

@@ -668,3 +668,172 @@ Why did you redact the site id? It would only be used by ATC internally.
 --- 57879469
 >>57857308 (OP)
 based and fun LARP, anon. Would read through again.
+--- 57880397
+>>57877010
+I’m the J-22 guy, my discord is pod 8#1226. I assume we’d probably go at night right?
+--- 57881116
+>>57878067
+Not pike county sheriff or resident.
+
+Yes they have been convicted. Turns out that some of the family that committed the crimes immediately sold all of their land for dirt cheap, $300,000 IIRC and then fucked off to Alaska. Feds were monitoring them when that occurred according to rumors. After they all got arrested they all started to turn against each other in court to try and get better plea deals and bargains for reduced sentences. 
+And the motives for the crimes? All for custody of a little girl. Want to give a child a better life? Proceed to murder her mother’s side of the family then have the father’s family rot in prison for the rest of their lives. 
+Poor kid.
+There was also some weed/cockfighting stuff going on but I am unsure the relation of that to the killings.
+>>57878376
+Will there be an underground arms dealer that also has large quantities of vodka and sausage?
+>We're expanding the zone.
+Lots of places to explore and expand to around us.
+>>57878422
+Neat
+>>57880823
+Something tells me this sign isn’t informing us of some fine toe tapping tunes.
+--- 57881993
+>>57879390
+I have a kayak, albeit a very bright colored kayak. It can make it there but I would need to bring provisions such as tarps or netting to hide it from view.
+--- 57883625
+If I’m going to the outskirts of a town, what should I wear? I assume not full camo fatigues
+--- 57884515
+>>57883625
+dress up as Bigfoot
+--- 57884987
+Might have time to go out this week, as I'm burning up some of my use or lose leave days... Its all gonna depend on if I can get the tire on my truck patched, and to a lesser degree, get the spark plugs swapped. I'm out in New Mexico, anyone have any suggestions for locations? I have a few spots in mind, but I'm open to anywhere if someone would like a scouting report done before they go
+>pic semi related, probably gonna take the a4-ish out instead of the SKS. I've got a fuckton of 5.56 and not so much x39/8mm/54r
+--- 57885542
+>>57884987
+Isn’t there a number of abandoned areas and even ghost towns out west? Might be a fun place to go stalkering but I would imagine tourists and other explorers might not take kindly to open carry.
+--- 57885821
+>>57885542
+The ones that I know of that still have structures standing are pretty touristy, but I do have some locations that were were/are ghost towns. I just dont think there are anymore standing structures at those. What I really would like to find are old military installations or civil infrastructure of any sort. The very few ones I do know about are on private property, and are actively monitored
+--- 57886044
+>>57876278
+I've been slowly compiling a list of places I've picked up from here or places I've been to or places friends have heard of. It's not a very good list and I'm sure there's alot more but it's something and it's at a point where it brings hope to my fellow AZ stalkers.
+--- 57886210
+>>57881993
+My canoe is reflective silver. I've been thinking about this as well. There will need to be camo netting for the boats and for the buildings and positions. Netting and tarps will be crucial to this operation. I'm already pulling up different camo nets on amazon.
+--- 57886316
+>>57879390
+Neat idea, keep us updated
+--- 57886476
+Epic thread, needs screencap
+>>57857646
+This thing, much like some of my favorite games, is in need of a balance patch. It looked fine the first time I saw it back in 2010, but age and logic have revealed the flaws to me.
+Some things that stick out:
+>food difficulty should be by weight, not $
+>the age of cheap slavshit and mislurp did not last forever unfortunately
+>Ammo has almost no effect on difficulty and bringing more can hurt your score, but maybe that's by design to help players realize the power of travelling light? Genius, if true
+>the point value for leaving a stash is lower than finding one
+>leaving no garbage lying around should be a point bonus for every faction, not just one
+Now there's a thread idea, could even be a general desu
+--- 57886597
+>>57880831
+Is that the old North Concord AFS? I've always wanted to go.
+--- 57886713
+>>57886597
+Normiefucked beyond all recognition, sadly
+--- 57886781
+>>57886713
+Goddamnit. I'd hoped that the distance would help dissuade them.
+--- 57886841
+>>57886781
+Lmfao it's only 4 hours from their Boston suburbs. Get ready to be sneered at by middle aged white women delivered there by lifted punisher skull adorned F-150s
+--- 57886891
+>>57886841
+Fuck.
+>Titan I and Atlas-F siloes are all flooded and/or privately owned
+>Titan II and Minuteman I/IIs are all blown up
+>the Montauk AFS building is closed up and the park is infested with New York morons
+>old AT&T Long Lines towers are either torn down or have been repurposed for 3G/4G cell connections
+>the big 3 major nuclear bunkers (NORAD, Raven Rock, Mount Weather) are all still in use
+Is there any decent Cold War shit left to explore in CONUS?
+--- 57886920
+>>57857308 (OP)
+Idk why but this is my favorite thread on /k/ in a long time. Thanks for posting OP
+--- 57887550
+>>57886891
+All the decaying locations in the rust belt or elsewhere that were abandoned by the US government or private industries are being repurposed or resold. 
+Can’t have nice empty buildings or complexes like post-Soviet nations.
+--- 57887660
+>>57857308 (OP)
+Based and blessed thread.
+
+>>57857712
+That was a holdover from when the challenge was closer to the vidya counterparts, plus "less ammo = less fun shooting". The newer version is the other way around, and can be found at http://inna.zone
+
+>>57862057
+Alvira Bunkers, pic related.
+
+Follow the guide on inna.zone though, the entire rust belt is rich with places. Just trace out railroad tracks and look for cool shit on satellite.
+
+>>57862534
+Ok, now I remember your thread. Holy fuck, if it actually wasn't a larp I'll lose my shit. 
+
+>>57863291
+As the challenge author, I can officially say that actually getting irradiated gives you the "IRL Zone" bonus. 
+
+>>57869718
+Generally tons of antioxidants, iodine to prevent the thyroid from holding radioactive isotopes of iodine, and some other esoteric medical stuff. It's not a magic "one syringe and you're cured of radiation" but last time I read papers on ARS treatment my biology background left me pretty impressed. 
+
+>>57874688
+Would.
+--- 57887878
+>>57859096
+Based DS player. I like to bring mine along.
+--- 57887893
+>>57887878
+I don't have a DS, I literally found that floating in the water.
+--- 57887908
+>>57887660
+Sick new rules! Thank you sidorovich anon.
+--- 57888002
+okay I like this most recent set of rules the most. very good work. It's a lot more fleshed out. As a freedom enjoyer I like to see I have something to do now. Gonna make so many barricades and guard for monolith and mutants.
+--- 57888154
+I’m glad STALKER challenges are coming back with the weather. 
+I found a bunker deep in my property. 
+There were some
+Moldy spots so I went back with bleach. Plan on going back with an camp stove or something. There is a hole in the roof, but I’m not sure if it’s got any airflow as the only draft I was getting was from a crack/hole at the back of the bunker. Thanks anons for looking. The hole may be covered. There is wood on top and no light comes through.
+Thank you for reading my blog lol
+--- 57888304
+>>57888154
+I’d put a far or some sort of air circulation system in there. Even in the absence of mold, stagnant air isn’t something to scoff at. 
+Nice bunker to hide away during the day of the rake btw.
+--- 57888387
+Now that the Radiation King returned that got me thinking, does anyone remember that one anon around the same time with a webm of a chinook circling his house and weird glowing lights implying a group of people were walking in circles arpund something in the woods nearby?
+--- 57888972
+Ohio anons, supposedly this coal plant has been decommissioned in the past few years along with a few others along the Ohio rover. Might make good stalkering but I would imagine some of the locations probably have security measures that are still active. The Moscow plant was destined to be a nuke facility before being made into a cools plant thus the massive cooling tower. 
+Also it’s in Moscow so it’s nuke and name heritage sort of blend into the STALKER theme, no?
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Zimmer_Power_Station
+--- 57889089
+>>57888972
+Sounds like a lot of fun, but I wouldn't count on getting in without great levels of care and stealth. From the few times I've been in the area, seems like security keeps a close eye on it. It would be less of a stalker expedition and more of a Metal Gear Solid infiltration. But if you could manage it, it would be legendary.
+--- 57889093
+>>57886891
+Yes, but I dont share them here. If you are a New Englander, find your way onto one of the trannycords and you'll eventually get the locations
+--- 57889381
+>be bong
+>no guns because no loicence
+>no innawoods because farmers cut them all down
+>no abandoned buildings because high land prices mean everything gets redeveloped these days
+>tfw cannot go be Stalker
+
+I raise a cup of tea to you Stalkers and leave this pic (not mine) of some of the grafitti in an abandoned nursing home near me that I used to visit which has since been demolished and turned into houses. I'd post some of my old urbex photos, but they've been lost over the years.
+--- 57889461
+>>57857308 (OP)
+--- 57889520
+>>57889381
+Can't you go to the northern part of your island? Don't worry, anybody east of the Mississippi won't be doing much stalking either.
+--- 57889562
+>>57857333
+>I am wearing a freedom patch
+Just checking in to see if this place is still overwhelmed with trannies and got my answer. Carry on.
+--- 57890287
+>>57862057
+rollin for duty!
+--- 57890522
+>>57886044
+camp reno
+https://www.ghosttowns.com/states/az/campreno.html
+--- 57891584
+>>57860269
+>https://discord.gg/5fYrpArS
+Oh its this again.

k/57858727.txt

@@ -196,3 +196,63 @@ Have an idea for some stuff
 lever without optic?
 --- 57878466
 WTT sig 551a1 for aug a3 + 1500
+--- 57880095
+Bump
+--- 57880649
+>>57878388
+$800?
+--- 57882507
+Bump
+--- 57882522
+>>57869249
+Very nice.
+
+-Buck "Doc" McBrackland, signin' off!
+---------------------------------------------------------------------
+USMC 77th "Hell Devil Hounds", MOS: 0531, 1984-1986
+
+"Size em' up, pack em' in, ring em' out, and let em' have it!" Cpl Bobby "Devil Hands" Handleberger, USMC "Bloody Rhino Hounds"", 1975-1977
+
+Rapid fire? I should tan your hide till the chickens call high noon! If you need more than one bullet, you were never gonna make it...
+
+1977 Chevy Monza!!!! (Jealous? Well then, you and the missus got somethin' in common!)
+--- 57882553
+>>57882522
+Based Arfcom boomer.
+--- 57884984
+>>57868194
+If only I had the $
+--- 57886416
+>>57882522
+>1977 Chevy Monza
+I'll never forgive gm for letting go of the rotary engine even if it was a piece of shit. The idea of Doritos powered Z24 amuses me
+--- 57886522
+>>57859934
+If this is up next week I might bite. Gotta do some parts inventory and hit the gun show this weekend first
+--- 57886996
+Wtb HK91 low pro mount, OG claw mount (must be HK), collapsible stock, and bipod. I'll take clone shit for anything other than the claw mount.
+--- 57887844
+>>57866071
+The aurora still available?
+--- 57887847
+>>57880649
+naw
+--- 57889623
+>>57864727
+Geissele SSA Trigger - SOLD
+Geissele Barrel Nut Wrench - SOLD
+--- 57889877
+>>57864727
+>Used Buffer Tube Assembly
+>Aero Precision Buffer Tube, Aero Precision H2 Buffer & Spring, PWS Ratchet Lock Castle Nut and Endplate - $40
+How many rounds through this? I'm interested if it's light salt. How much shipped with fee altogether?
+--- 57890809
+>>57889877
+I haven't put any rounds through it, it's just been put on and taken off a few times. There's some wear from a stock being on the buffer tube, and some light wear on the buffer face- that's about it. I'm asking $40 shipped.
+--- 57891064
+WTB
+
+Beretta APX Target.
+--- 57891485
+>>57887844
+Yeah email me

k/57861708.txt

@@ -180,3 +180,336 @@ Okay
 This comes from the exploding g22 and the other glocks chambered in 40 I guess. However, the chamber is indeed not fully supported. I own a g22 and also handload 40 and I still have both hands and a functioning g22 so ymmv I guess
 
 Nyet, pistol is fine.
+--- 57879848
+>>57878400
+A bad trigger is literally a manufacturer issue
+The rest of your drivel concludes with “nyet pistol is fine” which is a dead /k/ meme. Learn to fucking move on, we know better now, glocks fucking suck.
+--- 57880301
+>>57879848
+It's not a bad trigger unless it's so heavy or long it throws shots. Caring about the way it feels is just petty. If the way it feels throws your shots, you're literally just a noob.
+--- 57880461
+I will now buy your handgun
+--- 57881999
+>>57878115
+>If you look at the damn thing compared to every other handgun of that time, it was obviously that era's equivalent of the Hi Point.
+This lol, it's so well-known even NPR of all goddamned places has an article on this
+
+>Gaston Glock was inclined to sell it at a relatively low price, retail price in this country, and Karl Walter said no, we're going to set the retail price relatively high. We don't want people think this is a junk gun. We want them to think that this is a high-quality gun, and the price will indicate that.
+
+>But then when he went to police departments, he said, look, I'll give you a huge discount from the, you know, the recommended retail price. Basically, you tell me what you can pay, you give me your old guns as trade-ins, and I'll outfit you with new Glocks.
+
+https://www.npr.org/transcripts/145640473
+--- 57882189
+>>57878400
+>heh, it’s not shit, you’re just not skilled enough to wield it
+A good weapon is one that can easily be used proficiently. That way, your skills will shine their brightest. Calling the shitty Glock trigger a “skill issue” is nerfing yourself for no reason.
+--- 57882206
+>>57880301
+>caring about the way a trigger feels is just petty
+The way a trigger feels is one of the most important aspects of shooting. Get Gaston’s cock out of your mouth.
+--- 57882359
+>>57882189
+In the grand scheme of strikers, glock's trigger is merely average, and yet this category of pistols is the fastest growing in the industry and has been for the last 30 years. So it's either you or it's all of us, idk man
+--- 57882389
+>>57882206
+I truly can't imagine being stumped by a stock glock trigger.
+--- 57883163
+>>57882359
+Because people think blasting at torso-sized paper targets from 7 yards is supposed to be impressive
+--- 57883197
+The general idea and theme of a Glock 19 isn't terrible, but I think Palmetto State Armory is taking it in a much better direction than Glock is with their compact Dagger.
+--- 57883297
+>>57882389
+>>57882359
+No one’s stumped you retard it’s just not worth the price. A number of cheaper pistols don’t have the problems glocks have yet you continue to suck off gaston because his company has good marketing and sold his pistols to police forces around the world for just barely above cost of manufacture.
+--- 57883336
+Glock really should have gone the gucci route like PSA and had their Gen 3 models be customizable on their website. They wouldn't have even had to bother with making a Gen 4 or 5, although adding incremental quality of life upgrades would be nice.
+--- 57883413
+>>57883297
+Man you must really like sucking off dudes considering how often you bring it up.
+--- 57883774
+>>57874320
+Is that nostalgia critic?
+--- 57883833
+>>57883413
+Cry harder
+--- 57883926
+Don't care, jew in the video, opinion disregarded. I've own several glocks and more than a handful of others, including S&W, Ruger, Springfield, NAA, and more. I use glock as my EDC. I have never had an issue with it. It is comfortable to carry and controllable when shooting. No matter what brand or grain of ammo, it never jams. The only upgrades I have done are the sights and the mag release, but it would have been fines without those. It's fine if you want to hate glock, like how Ford lovers may hate Chevy; everyone has a preference. But a Glock is most certainly not a shit gun. You can hate it for whatever arbitrary made up reason you want, but it's is perfectly fine and reliable, and I literally stake my life on that opinion daily when I choose to carry it over other brands.
+--- 57884623
+>>57866320
+Maybe it's because I haven't shot enough Glocks, but I have never had a Glock where I automatically knew where it was going to fire, it just went off after squeezing hard enough
+--- 57884816
+>>57866320
+The Glock trigger is bad. You have to train around it. You have to compensate for it. You have to think about it. It does not match the trigger pull of your AR, your shotgun, your hammer-fired handguns, etc.
+You CAN put enough time on the Glock to get great at shooting them. You can learn exactly how much force to apply and exactly when and where the mushy harbor freight staplegun trigger will drop the striker.
+They question is: why would you? When there are a million better options, why are you shooting this ugly plastic piece of dogshit?
+The only reason I can think of is if you're prepping for some kind of government collapse boogaloo scenario. That wouldn't be because they are good, it would be because they are ubiquitous. There are so many of these garbage bricks lying around owned by everyone from urban youfs to unbearable LARPerators, the most melanated of crack heads to the two man PD of Bumblefuck Idaho, that you will always have parts and mags for them.
+--- 57884914
+>>57883833
+>can't get the image of Gaston Glock's cock out of his mind
+>unironically got filtered by the Glock trigger 
+>"n-no u"
+Post your P210 since triggers are so important to you.
+--- 57884925
+>>57865753
+Training and standardization. And some groups carry modded 1911 style pistols if anything
+--- 57884967
+>>57873387
+>make claim 
+>can't back it up
+>"dude trust me my dad's the CEO of JSOC you just gotta look it up yourself bro"
+Yeah, okay. I'm sure the anon on 4chan who won't even hint at where his sooper sekret insider knowledge came from is more qualified than 99% of operators. Hell, I'd wager a motor pool tech is more qualified than you. Faggot.
+--- 57884982
+>>57873751
+Post credentials
+--- 57885003
+>>57861708 (OP)
+Glocks are perfect for restricted-fags who can't own suppressors.
+--- 57885014
+>>57884925
+Jesus Christ grandpa, hurry up and fucking die already
+--- 57885027
+>>57878400
+>gun is fine
+I never understood this mentality. Why be fine when it can be finer? If Glock think they're perfect, they'll never improve
+--- 57885048
+>>57884925
+And Vietcong mountain raiders carried Martini-Henry rifles.
+--- 57885069
+>>57884914
+>can't get Gastons meat out his own mouth
+>projects on others
+Shiggy diggy
+--- 57885092
+>>57885027
+They're fine, they aren't perfect, but at the point we are at with handgun development, there is no low hanging fruit to improve anymore and everything is a tradeoff now. For instance, weight and recoil impulse. If you want a lighter gun you get more recoil, and that is just the way things are.
+--- 57885094
+>>57884925
+No they don't, lol. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The last group to use the 1911 was MARSOC, and they moved to Glock in 2016.
+--- 57885102
+>>57885069
+No brought up his schlong until you did, buddy. Still waiting for your competition gun with a .2lb pull and cunt hair break by the way. Surely you have one since that's what makes or breaks a gun to you.
+--- 57885128
+>>57870649
+I've been getting recommended more videos that are sub-100 view count lately. It's possible, though unlikely, that OP is only retarded and not a shill
+--- 57885168
+>>57882206
+No it's not you're just a noob who needs a crutch to hopefully shoot better. I've never even noticed how the trigger pull feels, the only thing that matters in terms of helping you shoot better is finding where the break is. I've shot guns with triggers that were too heavy like most DA's or too long like the original Ruger LC9, and that affected shots. The long pull mostly because it's harder to determine where the break is with so much slack. But as far as the actual pull feel, doesn't fucking matter. The weight and pull length only matter past an excessive point too, so dropping from 5.5lbs to 1lbs isn't something you should do. You should rather get training so you can shoot with a normal trigger better. Whenever I hear mushy or crispy I lol and it reminds me how many noobs are here.
+--- 57885178
+>>57869683
+Meanwhile the ATF is hard at work trying to ban a brace
+--- 57885185
+>>57885094
+>>57885014
+Delta uses 1911s. MARSOC isn't even tier 1.
+
+>>57885102
+Not him but I use a Beretta. Crisper break than stock Glocks any day. Never settle for less. Dickriding a mid company resting on its laurels is plenty worth mentioning.
+--- 57885190
+>>57882206
+>one of the most important aspects of shooting
+It's one of the most important time wasting bits in a gun review video marketed towards clueless consoomers who think that shit is important.
+--- 57885228
+>>57885185
+Delta uses Glocks, and have done so for nearly two decades. They used to use G22s, now they issue 17s and 19s.
+--- 57885232
+>>57885092
+There's not much tradeoff with plastic sights as opposed to metal for example. Or no front slide serrations on <Gen 5 models. Or flat af slide stops, or mushy triggers. There's a massive aftermarket which is a big boon, but why must it be that way if Glocks are supposedly perfect enough? Not saying it's bad, just middle of the road
+--- 57885234
+>>57869710
+>SIG p320
+Anon we don't promote premature suicide here
+--- 57885308
+>>57885232
+The tradeoff between plastic and steel is weight, price, and durability
+
+Plastic is actually stronger per pound, and is more durable against certain kinds of conditions (moisture, for instance) while also being cheaper. Obviously stuff still needs to be made of steel in places due to strength.
+
+And idk dude, why don't people make guns out of scandium? It is stronger and lighter than steel. Well, they actually do, but nobody buys them because the tradeoff is not worth it.
+--- 57885428
+>>57885308
+I was talking more the differences between Glocks and similar pistols that go beyond Glocks, like M&Ps which I particularly had in mind when posting. An M&P has metal sights compared to a Glock with plastic ones, why put up with the plastic for a marginal increase in weight? Sure you can save a few grams but would it matter in the long run? Or the trigger on M&Ps, PDPs or HKs vs a Glock, what do you lose for a fancier triggers? And so on, these are all polymer pistols the same.
+--- 57885452
+>Glocks suck
+Glocks are like 500-600$ for a 9mm, you get what you pay for
+>Glock triggers are aids and will give you megacancer
+You get what you paid for. Spend 120$ and get a good one or buy something else.
+>Glock mags are too big/too plastic/too etc.
+You get what you pay for. Even rifle mags switched to polymer due to weight and manufacturing ease. This is the reason why the 'grip angle' is the way it is.
+>Glock has too many tradeoffs
+Potentially. But it just works TM. You can spend x2 the price point for something that works 25% better. For me, that economy of scale doesn't work out. The more money you spend, the less you tend to actually get once you get out of the low-medium pricepoint.
+
+Say all you want about their marketing, but it worked and now police use them and gangbangers do too. There's a big aftermarket that you can turn a glock into something gucci (incrementally and with far more freedom than buying a prebuilt). The shitty gun you do have is a lot better than the 1k Tangfoglio you can't afford or won't bring with you to shoot.
+
+Plus glock makes the only goddamn 1cm gats that I'd actually use. Every other 10mm is too expensive to be a daily carry. You don't want an uber expensive carry gun (Because police are thieves).
+--- 57885514
+>>57885452
+If Glocks didn't hate suppressors it's the only pistol I would buy.
+--- 57885634
+>>57885428
+Who gives a shit about stock sights when every serious gun is going to want night sights? You're going to be replacing your stock sights with Ameriglos or Trijicons anyway, so what does it matter that Smith gives you shitty pot metal sights instead of Glock giving you shitty plastic sights? Do you also complain about the shitty plastic sights on Walthers? 
+
+Also, do you really think there aren't cons to the other guns you mentioned? The PDP is the snappiest gun in its class, the M&P inexplicably weighs four and a half ounces more than the Glock/PDP, and the VP9 trigger is in no way better than that of a Gen 5 Glock. 80% of NATO countries issue Glocks as their service pistol (and that figure is higher for special forces), as well as other notables such as Switzerland. Do you really think that these procurement officers just haven't heard of the M&P or VP9, and so they just magically settled on the Glock? Do you sincerely think you're smarter than the field? 
+
+It's fine if you prefer the PDP or M&P or P320 or P10 or whatever flavor of sidearm to the Glock because they're all good guns, but acting like you're so enlightened because you went with choice 1B instead of 1A is fucking retarded.
+--- 57885714
+>>57885168
+> I've never even noticed how the trigger pull feels
+Post guns
+>>57885190
+Samefag
+
+>>57885452
+Glocks are 500-600 dollars for 350-400 dollar quality gun.
+--- 57885804
+>>57885714
+Don't shop at (((their))) gunstores. If your gunstore won't haggle or throw in 'gibs' onto your gun sale then usually it's not a place I want to shop at. Two extra magazines and two boxes of decent ammo usually bring the price up to near where it should be. Or literally don't buy new. I hate this fucking meme of 'X cheap thing is marked up unreasonably' then just buy it used. I don't buy new vehicles for the very same reason. They instantly lose 30% of their value minimum once they're off the lot.
+
+>>57885634
+True and heterosexual poster. Night sights are the GOAT and after getting some on my Glock 29 I'd want them on anything I was using seriously. All stock pistol sights suck ballz save for some revolvers.
+--- 57885890
+>>57885804
+>I hate this fucking meme of 'X cheap thing is marked up unreasonably' then just buy it used
+If it’s a 400 dollar quality gun and I buy it used then I ought to be able to buy it even cheaper. It’s not about how much money people are willing to spend it’s about the value they’re getting for that money. I genuinely don’t understand all the Glock cope. Just admit they’re overpriced because of brand recognition compared to every other major manufacturers semi-autos in the same quality range.
+--- 57886002
+>>57885634
+The sights were just an example. My M9A3 has stock night sights. Sure the other guns have cons to them, but in stock configuration they go beyond Glocks. Whereas the stock M&P does not need replacing of sights compared to glocks. Whereas the stock PDP does not need replacing of trigger etc. They got issues of their own too but I never denied that. I am saying they innovate or offer more than bog standard glocks ever could. All guns are "good", but some are better at being good than others.
+
+When it comes to procurement, do you think these organizations are acquiring Glocks because of how high performing the gun is? Or is it because it's cheap, common, easy to repair or replace parts, easy to use by virtue of simplicity, etc. Is it a truly good gun or is it merely good enough? It's just mid to me
+--- 57886042
+>>57885890
+>overpriced because of brand recognition
+Potentially. Especially for le 9mm.
+>value they're getting for that money.
+It does everything it's purported to do. If you buy a glock expecting a geissle then the only retarded one here is you.
+>Cope
+I'm good at that. I only buy 10mm glonks. As per Budz you can see that unless you want an autism awareness looking ass gun glock is your only option.
+--- 57886636
+>>57885634
+Ye Olde Glocksucker Coping Mechanism - just fix all the problems by buying a kit to replace every single substandard part in the gun (all of them).
+
+Trigger worse than a $250 Shield?
+Buy a cope kit.
+
+Factory sights made of Lego?
+Buy a cope kit.
+
+Slide release flat against the release completely flat against the frame and made out of an old Bud Light can?
+Buy a cope kit.
+--- 57886641
+>>57886002
+>”they go beyond Glocks”
+You keep saying that as if it’s somehow true, but the militaries and special forces groups of the free world disagree. Maybe you should inform the procurement officers. 
+
+>Glocks are only issued because they’re cheap! 
+
+Cope. These are NATO militaries with billion-dollar budgets, not BFE police departments. These guys buy four million dollar IFVs by the dozens, and five hundred thousand dollar Raytheon missiles by the hundreds. They don’t give a shit if a sidearm with a decades-long lifespan costs $250 or $500 per unit, because it’s a drop in the proverbial bucket. 
+
+The Swiss issue the most expensive infantry rifle on earth, the SG550/552/553, because small arms cost isn’t an issue to them. What sidearm do they use? Glock 17 and 19.
+
+>”just mid to me”
+You talk like a zoomer, so I’m not really surprised that you’re a faggot pseud. It’s awfully transparent.
+--- 57886690
+>>57869683
+did they literally take the sights off
+--- 57886779
+>>57864164
+Glock mags are made of stainless steel retard
+--- 57887223
+>>57886779
+metal encased in polymer you fucking mouthbreather
+--- 57887243
+>>57886690
+don't need 'em
+--- 57887614
+>>57885185
+>Delta uses 1911s.
+Someone get this nigger out of his 1990s timewarp
+--- 57887653
+>>57886636
+This sounds more like projection than anything. Sorry you feel the need to turn your combat pistol into a hypebeast Instagram gun.
+--- 57887768
+>>57885804
+>Don't shop at (((their))) gunstores. If your gunstore won't haggle or throw in 'gibs'
+Talk about the hebe calling the jew a kike.
+--- 57887800
+>>57887653
+>combat pistol
+this poster is 100% overweight
+--- 57887876
+>>57887768
+You might not remember it anon, but a long ass fucking time ago in a place called USA people would trade fur pelts and shit for guns and ammo. Anyplace that can't haggle on price or come down is usually highly incorporated or ran by tards. In either case your money would probably be better served going to a local place that aren't retarded boomers on their prices.
+
+The entire basis of 'commerce' is giving something of value for something else of value. If you don't feel like you're getting enough out of what a seller is selling then you either attempt to haggle or find it elsewhere. Because after all, something's only worth as much as you're willing to spend on it. So either don't bitch about the price (and thus cope about Glocks and how you bought a cheaper glock clone and have to cope and seethe) or attempt to find someplace to get it 'cheaper' that throws in extra so it's worth the 600$. I've gotten T-shirts, extra mags, boxes of ammo, novelty patches, and all sorts of shit doing this at gunstores. The main point is I'm not a lowballing boomer tard and know that the gunstore wants to make a certain percentage of upcharge to make it worthwhile to sell.
+
+If being financially not retarded makes me a kike then I understand why the white race is in decline now after being psyoped to act like nogs.
+--- 57888193
+>>57887653
+>combat pistol
+everything but the glock and the shield then.
+--- 57888204
+>>57886690
+Not like they use them.
+--- 57888396
+>>57887223
+Yes, stainless steel mags
+--- 57888555
+>>57861708 (OP)
+OH MY GOD HOW DARE BIG SIG FALSIFY A MASSIVE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN AGAINST GLOCK. 
+Oh wait..
+--- 57888749
+>>57886690
+You didn't watch the video anon? He upgraded the factory sights because bucket sights suck dick
+--- 57888881
+>>57883926
+>this is your brain on /pol/
+--- 57888914
+>>57887614
+What I find weirder is a couple sources from the late 90's-early GWOT days claiming CAG and 6 were apparently using .40 G22's for a while.
+--- 57889737
+>>57887653
+>all mechanical upgrades
+>b-b-but muh instagram social media
+--- 57889847
+how dare that son of a bitch wear flecktarn, the sexiest camo in the world
+--- 57889887
+>>57887876
+Ok boomer
+--- 57890132
+>>57886641
+>procurement
+I dont care for the opinions of organizations with bureaucratic inertia. If you're going to appeal to authority, look at elite comp shooters and what they use. You won't see them sell themselves short with their choice of gun.
+
+>cope
+Two words. Lowest bidder. The gun is not the only expense, there's logistics, long term deals regarding the supply of parts, training of armorers, training of users, etc. For individuals this doesn't matter to them. 
+
+You're not even a pseud, you're just retarded since you only jump on bandwagons instead of evaluating something on its own merit. It's awfully transparent. You are your own punishment
+--- 57890338
+>>57890132
+Again, militaries that spare no expense when it comes to small arms, like Switzerland, still use Glocks. You can try to lie to yourself about it, but it doesn't make it less true. 
+
+>elite shooters in competition
+Elite shooters use fucking everything, and mostly it comes down to who sponsors them. Nils uses a Canik, Stoeger uses a Glock, Grauffel uses a CZ and used to use a Tanfo, JJ uses a Beretta and used to use a Limcat, Michel uses a 320. Do you really think Beretta dominates in comp matches? The CO field is like 40% P320 X-Five Legions, 20% CZs, and 15% 34s. 
+
+Are you somehow under the false impression people don't use Glocks in comp? What's your USPSA membership number?
+--- 57890580
+If only there were a process by where people took things that sucked, made them better, then you paid them money for this new and improved product that better meets your needs. Oh well. 
+
+Glock triggers are legit trash. Apex are Chad tier.
+--- 57890629
+>>57888396
+They coat them in plastic to hide the fact that they used the cheapest unfinished steel possible. Squeeze a Glock mag with your fingers, it bends. Squeeze an actual steel mag, no bend. These thick ass chunk of shit mags they use are the reason their handles are so fat and they can't make a gun that competes with the Sig P365 which dropped 5 years ago. They're not even caught up to the level of the Shield which was popular 10 years ago. Their options always have 1-2 less rounds for the same size.
+--- 57890636
+>>57864182
+Glocke would be. Glock ist just a surname.
+--- 57890647
+>>57885714
+*$250 quality gun.
+
+These things come with Mattel plastic sights with the most retarded sight picture ever. Ball in the cup would be fine but it's put the ball in the cup and then keep putting it lower into the cup until you only see about 68% of it.
+--- 57890666
+>>57885228
+Delta are a bunch of retards who joined Delta. They're getting Army pay to get tortured at their job and might get sent off to their death in some African shithole to secure economic interests for some corporation. These are the stupidest people ever, so are SWAT operators. Oh wow you get a 2.5% shift differential to have to make 4 extra trainings per month, then get called out to sit on a 36 hour standoff and you can't leave until it's over? It's the literal most retarded thing to rank up to these units when the pay is still shit yet your duties are 10x more.
+--- 57890697
+>>57885514
+How does it hate suppressors? I run that super heavy B&T impulse 2 on my 19 without any issues. Your booster sucks ass bro. This isn’t a fixed barrel beretta.

k/57861832.txt

@@ -180,3 +180,225 @@ Post more tactical bullpups. I think its neat how crowded everything looks compa
 --- 57879031
 >>57873778
 What, so the wrap is for heat, but above the wrap you reach in to fiddle with gas?
+--- 57880065
+>>57878981
+>that camo and gun
+Neither are used anymore
+--- 57880978
+Didn't see there was a bpg up so stuck it in brg instead, but NF finally got levers back in stock. Tiny little thing but makes a pleasant difference in usage and resolves my major irritation which the optic. Now if only blacklabel would make a wrap mantis.
+--- 57881138
+>>57880978
+I can't work out what those two wing things are near the front
+--- 57881186
+>>57881138
+Side foregrips. Originally got them because this was kind of a silly build where I wanted to try lots of different stuff with a different gun, turns out it actually is surprisingly decent and works very well with the somewhat elastic sling, so have opted to keep it and toss an an extraneous wml underneath. yt if you want to see it in use a little better:
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnD4KumkQ8o [Embed]
+And then my ocd autism compelled me to stick on one the other side for symmetry and when I want to use it offhand.
+
+It's weird and isn't perfect but it's been a fun change. Somewhat different muscle use.
+--- 57881223
+>>57880065
+that looks like an uncomfortable way to carry a LAW
+--- 57881286
+>>57881186
+Interesting video, thanks for linking. Never seen a grip like that before but nice to see cool accessories
+--- 57881333
+Aug is one of the few guns that looks better another color instead of black (green)
+
+What do we think about the tuna gun? Do you guys think it looks better black or green?
+--- 57881346
+>>57881286
+Yeah if nothing else fun to see people take something basic that everyone takes for granted and consider another angle for it. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, or only for specific circumstances/people, but nice to see the effort. I mean, could say the same thing about the gun, number of flaws but plenty of awesome bits too, so seems kinda fitting in retrospect.
+--- 57881952
+>>57874318
+you just have the normal twist not one of those rare ones? then yeah >>57875984 and just try stuff out
+--- 57882467
+No guns here, what is the purpose of the square thing on top of a famas? I always liked the look of a famas because of that but i never found out what its for.
+--- 57882520
+>>57882467
+Do you mean this? It's a rifle grenade sight.
+--- 57882532
+>>57882520
+Forgot pic
+--- 57882588
+>>57871402
+>yet it seems like every successive iteration to the Tavor makes it uglier and less wieldy
+
+Tell me you've never touched any tavor without telling me you've- you get the idea
+
+The X95 having a straight handguard and squaring off the cutlass trigger guard (or even just using the alternative pistol grip trigger guard) makes the rifle significantly easier to shoot from the prone and off barricades. It also just feels smaller overall, particularly at the handguard, and the bolt catch not protruding from the butt so much when locked open means you're less likely to accidentally hit it with your kit and drop the bolt. The pistol grip is swept back less and is more comfortable, there's tons of rail mounting options, none of which interfere with the repositioned charging handle, etc etc etc
+
+The TAR21 has A E S T H E T I C, it's undeniable, but in terms of handling the X95 is way better.
+--- 57882616
+>>57882532
+Grenade launcher sight. It flips out the the side and you turn the rifle sideways.
+--- 57882649
+>>57880065
+We cant get the updated australian version in the states. Hoping steyr will give us the new austrian model but its doubtful. 
+Whats up with the rocket? That cant be the best way to haul it around.
+--- 57882706
+If I could only get one, should it be an AUG or Hellion/VHS?
+--- 57882759
+>>57882588
+I would argue that the SAR is better for 2 reasons alone.
+
+1: The mag release is a lever as opposed to an AR button.
+2: Integrated handguard button for lights
+3: Cutlass grip feels nicer on the SAR due to it being a little larger
+
+Rails are nice and I appreciate the X95 but aside from the rails, the bolt being in the middle of the gun, the shorter silhouette in the rear, and somewhat better trigger. 
+
+If the X95 had both the button and lever release I'd take X95 over SAR but reloading with the lever is so much nicer and intuitive. Realistically, I don't need an entire quad rail, the single canted 45 rail is perfect for light lasers, the top rail is generous, and the trigger update isn't good enough to stop me dropping a geiss trigger in it anyway.
+
+Bolt being in the center is a nice update but not critical in the overall function and code of arms for the gun.
+Overall tavor is goated, you can't go wrong with either one. There's pros and cons to both. For me the SAR is the move
+--- 57883369
+>>57882520
+>>57882532
+no, i mean this thing. I did another search and apparently its to attach accessories but i dont understand why the famas need it and other weapons like >>57878981 dont need it
+--- 57883424
+>eyyy yoo has there been testing on the Ayy You Gee?
+My maxima pigmented friends, the Austrian army has their AUGs in continuous use since the 70ies. Your "24/7 saline-blizzard mudwater sprinkle freak accident"-reliability tests are all irrelevant desu
+--- 57883590
+>>57883369
+Idk if trolling but the sight posts are up there, if it had a picatinny rail it would not need iron sights
+--- 57883767
+>>57883590
+I'm not trolling, i just have zero knowledge about firearms
+--- 57883828
+>>57883767
+It's a carry handle with iron sights on it that also protects the charging handle.
+--- 57883840
+>>57883767
+>>57883828
+*also the AUG A1 optical sight is a carry handle too.
+--- 57884212
+>>57861832 (OP)
+Is the kikevor 7 my only option for a AR-10 magazine fed semi automatic bullpup?
+--- 57884268
+>>57871402
+what is the ball for?
+--- 57884461
+>>57884268
+It's a jewish thing, you wouldn't understand
+--- 57884656
+>>57884212
+No, MDR is another option. They both have their pluses and minuses. But as far as mags same SR25.
+--- 57884701
+>>57884268
+Circumcision joke
+CAPTCHA: TAVRX
+--- 57884781
+>>57884212
+>>57884656
+K&M M17 is an option too
+--- 57884812
+>>57879031
+the gas block is under the handguard. you need a screwdriver to reach it.
+it's basically right above the front pivot pin, i would guess roughly carbine length.
+--- 57884839
+forward eject master rayce
+--- 57884894
+>>57881333
+green without a doubt. but I think all guns look better in tan or green.
+--- 57884937
+>>57884839
+Based forward eject enjoyer
+--- 57884976
+>>57884839
+>>57884937
+Gang
+--- 57885133
+Form 1 submitted today on the PS90. Going 3 lug once the stamp clears for that sexy HK flashider when not wearing a suppressor.
+--- 57885155
+>>57884839
+>>57884937
+very based
+>>57884976
+Fellow mantis enjoyer.
+--- 57885313
+>>57882759
+>Bolt being in the center is a nice update but not critical in the overall function and code of arms for the gun.
+
+Is that your gun? Because I don't see a light, and if you want to add one, that's where you're going to run into issues. DO you use a tail cap light? It's going on the right side of the gun where you can't access it quickly to turn it on or off. Do you use a pressure pad? How do you manage the cable? Do you run it under the handguard where it could get snagged by your hand or a barricade? Or over the top, where it might interfere with the charging handle?
+
+The charging handle position of the SAR give you great leverage if your gun is naked, but otherwise really causes problems. That built-in button spot in the grip is cool- if you can find a pressure switch for it. Good luck!
+
+I can respect preferring the mag release lever, it is really intuitive. The X95's cutlass isn't as nice for the offhand shooting, but it still does mostly the same thing whaile making other things easier, I just think it's a good tradeoff.
+--- 57885345
+>>57885313
+god i want a 18.5 inch barrel so bad for mine
+--- 57885419
+>>57885345
+pig fat 18.5" reporting
+--- 57886302
+>>57885313
+nta but thanks for the thoughtful rundown.
+--- 57886678
+Crazy guns made in Florida for the state of "you ain't gonna believe this shit." oh and an obligatory CZ
+--- 57888075
+>>57862919
+why does this meme keep appearing on /k/
+--- 57888150
+>>57883369
+It protects the charging handle (the little hook thing), provides a convenient horizontal surface for the iron sights, and is handy for picking the gun up off the ground when shooting from the bipod. I.e., basically the same functions as the similar feature on the M16, although the M16's charging handle was moved elsewhere very early in development.
+--- 57888308
+>>57882649
+>Hoping steyr will give us the new austrian model
+Why? It looks mostly identical to the A3M1, but with a new base for the integral optic that appears to feature a QD socket and side rail (disgusting) and a combo rail/VFG that 1. will cut the shit out of your hands if you shoot it without rail covers, which are thankfully issued with it, and 2. has a shelf and cable management notch molded in so you can attach a special tape switch for an MFAL you can't buy in America. It even still has the dumb little ski slope integral QD socket at the front of the receiver that makes it needlessly difficult to design an extendo rail for it.
+--- 57888327
+>>57882706
+The VHS is probably the most reasonable bullpup on the market right now, but you'll probably like the AUG more, in spite of its relatively dated design.
+--- 57888375
+I'm finally getting around to working on my ps90. I shoot it a decent amount but have been really lazy about putting the work into getting what I need for it. Form 1 soon and I've been sitting on a rmr mount for like a year and I'm not even sure I'm going to use it yet or order a ring sight.
+--- 57888384
+>>57884268
+Making the charging handle easy to grab without making it easy for your kit to grab it for you. Blue Force Gear's GMT sling (which is brilliant, btw—much better than the VCAS) has a similar feature on its adjustment slider, for the same reason.
+--- 57888493
+>>57881333
+For such a universally ignored rifle you'd think the price would come down eh?
+
+I should have got one when the prices werent insane.
+--- 57888613
+>>57888493
+>For such a universally ignored rifle you'd think the price would come down eh?
+It's not made anymore though, and while its shooting qualities are debatable to put it nicely it's definitely cool and iconic looking. Once it went off market collectors and folks who were always sorta-someday-i-should-get-that-gun types suddenly felt like they had to get their shit together and it was off to the races. It's probably never coming down again unless there was more production.
+--- 57888797
+>>57888613
+>coming soon: the FN FS2025, a sideways SCAR action inside a mostly FS2k-shaped chassis
+--- 57889091
+takin a bullPOOP rn lmao get it like bullpup but the pup is replaced with poop because I’m going poop with a bullpup haha get it
+--- 57889119
+>>57888797
+If they made some serious improvements it could have a second life. But hard to say, also sometimes once something stops getting manufactured it's actually pretty hard to start things back up again, institutional knowledge can decay pretty fast.
+
+Not a bullpup but in a completely different context I know that feel. I got a maxim 9 just a few years ago and at the time nobody was interested at all, the ones that were out there were just sitting around at dealers and prices kept getting cut to try to get them moved, got mine for like $980 and other anons got them $800-900. And I fucking love it, awesome pistol, and now really wish I'd gotten two or three because they seem to have stopped making them and suddenly anything to be found is like $2500+. Depressing.
+--- 57889354
+>>57885345
+Canadians with a rare win
+--- 57889491
+>>57889354
+Do they not sell the 18.5" version here? Anyway, the 16" version is fine; nobody at the range is going to lick boot hard enough to report you to the ATF for having the thin buttpad installed, assuming they even know about the X95's special OAL needs.
+--- 57889574
+short boi reporting
+--- 57890031
+>>57881333
+green and checked
+--- 57890118
+>>57889574
+Are those Earmors lmao?
+--- 57890166
+>>57889574
+lol that's awesome, micron and then you wrapped the can in the shorter aluminum handguard? based
+--- 57890584
+>>57889574
+dafuq is goin on with that 2 inch suppressor?
+--- 57891039
+>>57890584
+early HUXWRX (née OSS) cans came in two segments for reasons that I'm sure made sense at the time
+--- 57891040
+>>57890584
+kinda curious too that doesn't look like one of those chub ones, too narrow, or is there something new?
+--- 57891063
+>>57891039
+huh, never knew that. I assume it kills the effectiveness but sure looks wild.

k/57862803.txt

@@ -364,3 +364,92 @@ Beautiful skins, what did you do with them?
 --- 57879483
 >>57878100
 Springfield/Stevens 87A? How is it? How is the bolt lock feature?
+--- 57881176
+What are some good places/sites to get CCI standard? Most places I go to only have 50 ct boxes of minimags and other shit like that
+--- 57881241
+>>57881176
+Walmart? Or https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/standard_velocity/6-35.html
+--- 57881358
+>>57878322
+That is not my photo, but its a nice photo of the gun. I like preserving the fur from whatever I shoot and making things out of it. I have made liners for things, toys for my dog, covers, and sometimes I just leave it as a pelt if it is particularly nice.
+>>57879483
+Mine is a savage 6a. I really like the bolt features. I can choose to shoot whatever 22 I want. I can lock the bolt and shoot a subsonic round for sneaky plinking or I can set it to semiauto for funs.
+It also eats everything that I feed it. It even cycles 22 shorts on semiauto if the velocity is high enough. I am a big fan and advocate of the click clack rifle.
+--- 57882108
+>>57870237
+I was urbanite when I made that
+>>57874891
+Damn, I like the soul of the duct tape but that actually looks kinda nice
+--- 57882341
+>>57872338
+I have a ruger all-weather .17 that I got used from Cabelas. Think they are discontinued now, but the gun is awesome. However I agree with the other anon, fuck Cabelas.
+--- 57883702
+>>57882341
+It's just called an "all weather"? 
+Post a photo, please.
+--- 57883745
+buy or pass?
+--- 57883842
+What's the ideal barrel length for hunting small game with .22? I'll be taking shots roughly 100-200 yards at most, anything past that might be a bit much for .22
+--- 57884401
+>>57871430
+>>57871551
+The loading port is on the top of the wrist of the stock, instead of the right side like the later SA-22 models, Winchester 63/74, etc.
+--- 57884473
+>>57883745
+Pass. Find a nice old Colt or S&W .22 revolver with fine blueing. Maybe even a H&R 999 or a Ruger if you want to spend less. Spend money on quality firearms that are built well and will retain value, not cheap shit. At least that's my thought process.
+--- 57884535
+nogunz eurofag here, but when I was a wee lad in the cadet corps, we would shoot these .22lr conversions of Lee Enfields (No. 8) on 25 yrd indoor ranges. AFAIK they were all converted in the early 50s. Absolutely beautiful to shoot, recoil almost nonexistant, incredibly easy to maintain and clean that even an idiot teenager could do it. Spent 4 years on the unit shooting team before I aged out, with shoots twice a week.
+Then the bong government decided to replace them all with an extremely cucked version of the L85, and you know what they did? They had most of No. 8s destroyed. All that history gone, such a waste. Now all kids have to look forward to here is firing a version of the L85 (I had the displeasuring of testing one when we went to Rheindahlen in DE and out of 10 rounds I had 2 jams and a misfire) where you have to cycle the fucking bolt every shot, and the remaining No. 8s cost twice as much as a No. 4 in .303 so I will probably never get to own one.
+--- 57886719
+I've been saving up for a little bit, should I get a henry classic? What scopes would be compatible with it?
+--- 57887996
+>>57884535
+My condolences. Get a 10/22 and dress it up as M1 carbine and practice your best American accent at the range.
+--- 57888595
+So, I (not a /k/ommando, never owned a gun before, no gun culture in my family) found my late grandfather's Winchester .30-30 carbine, which he kept for home defense. It must be at least 70 years old and it's in somewhat rough condition, with some rust and chipping. The action works, as well as the firing mechanism. 
+I'm not attached to it and wouldn't say it's a heirloom, so I think I'll probably sell it. 
+Thoughts?
+--- 57888607
+>>57888595
+Sorry for potatocam, btw.
+--- 57888623
+*plink*
+--- 57888628
+>>57888595
+Sell it. It's only a toy and dead guy artifacts are not the person.
+--- 57888696
+>>57888595
+>Winchester .30-30 carbine
+>posts a Marlin 1894
+And if you sell your grandpa's gun that he was shooting for 70 years then you are an enormous faggot who doesn't deserve to own guns.
+--- 57888799
+>>57888696
+As I said, I am a nogunz faglord, so thanks for the ID, anon. I just thought I might show it to someone who knows their shit for some feedback. 
+I have no idea whether he actually shot the thing, for sport or otherwise. He was a chemist, I don't believe he was sent to the front in WWII.
+--- 57888999
+>>57883745
+Fun little gun to shoot that you can treat like shit because they're stupid cheap.
+>>57884473
+Some times the cheap shit is best shit.
+--- 57889043
+>>57888999
+>Double trips
+>Sometimes the cheap shit is best
+Cheap shit confirmed best.
+--- 57889777
+>>57884535
+I remember watching that happen as a Yank and being fucking PISSED that they weren't even being surplussed at all. Seriously, I might have understood maybe either not exporting them or not letting them being surplussed to the local market but just destroying something like that was fucking retarded. I would've loved one.
+--- 57889856
+>>57884473
+Not that anon, but how well does the lockwork on H&R top breaks hold up? I've heard claims that they're on the weak side.
+--- 57889865
+>>57888623
+Cute.
+--- 57889927
+>>57889856
+>how well does the lockwork on H&R top breaks hold up
+Perfectly, imo.
+--- 57890135
+>>57889927
+How many rounds do you have through it? I'm interested in getting a .22 revolver and would probably end up putting 200 rounds through whatever I get on a monthly basis.

k/57864436.txt

@@ -146,3 +146,99 @@ new thing? frog shirts are like 15 years old.
 --- 57879651
 >>57874701
 Are these DaftPunk ?
+--- 57879780
+>>57864436 (OP)
+Sleep tight OP. 
+>>57870305
+>>57867141
+Good contributions.
+--- 57879843
+>>57864673
+how does he shoot the gun if its upside down
+--- 57879867
+>>57866992
+seems like opfor always get to rock the nice movie/video game goon impractical camos, here's some french ones
+--- 57880908
+Aesthetics peaked from 1250-1400.
+--- 57880919
+>their aesthetics lacks magical amulets and relics
+--- 57880940
+>>57874701
+>you guys are idiots, the terrorists are LOOKING for guys dressed as soldiers
+--- 57881717
+>>57866934
+West bros...
+--- 57882050
+>>57868352
+I need a gear list and more money for an sp5
+--- 57882075
+>>57867568
+damn, it reminds me (g)old times
+--- 57882585
+>>57868245
+Unfiltered kino
+--- 57882679
+Fallujah '04
+--- 57882873
+>>57875889
+huh
+--- 57883352
+>>57866949
+--- 57883441
+Sexiest tank in NATO (although probably second worst)
+--- 57883868
+anp m51/53 and famas + bayonnet make my pp hard
+--- 57883944
+>>57866949
+frogbros...everything gucci
+--- 57884061
+>>57879867
+Clear Sky in real?
+--- 57885134
+>>57874701
+Anti thot conditioning training?
+--- 57886650
+>>57869703
+Call it
+--- 57887298
+>>57883944
+holy kino
+--- 57887402
+>>57866934
+das rite
+
+and that's the SMALLEST codpiece his military stocks
+--- 57887624
+>>57867007
+Comfy
+--- 57887650
+>>57867940
+Russkie fighting fire elementals
+--- 57887793
+>>57876000
+>Kane lives in death
+>Kane lives in death
+>Kane lives in death
+>KANE LIVES
+
+kino
+--- 57889137
+>>57882445
+Look like a low t sissy tranny
+--- 57889360
+>>57879042
+It would be extremely painful
+--- 57890613
+>>57864436 (OP)
+--- 57891104
+>>57874701
+>you just know
+--- 57891220
+>>57877794
+I wonder how many Russians she castrated?
+--- 57891241
+>>57887417
+They feel like a bunch of airsofters.
+--- 57891257
+>*BAMBAMBAM* 
+>OPEN UP MOTHERFUCKER, IT'S THE TAX INSPECTOR!!

k/57864918.txt

@@ -427,3 +427,348 @@ I mean just from statistical safety and stuff, you are overwhelmingly increasing
 >>57878046
 >or paranoid pussy.
 funny from a guy too afraid of his house being burgled to ever be seen with a firearm
+--- 57880275
+>>57876276
+>HEY LOOK AT THIS STRAWMAN THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IRL
+--- 57880514
+>>57878234
+>appeal to hypocrisy fallacy 
+Has nothing to do with fear just statistical likelihood. If your goal is self-protection you’re doing it poorly. 
+
+And again people with attention-seeking histrionic personality disorders and aren’t capable of rational critical thinking are the types of people that shouldn’t be trusted with firearms at all. Much less walking around Home Depot for some reason. Like you’re likely mentally ill. Why would anyone want to see you walking around suburbia with weapons?
+--- 57881721
+>>57866369
+That would be more romantic desu
+--- 57881763
+>>57864918 (OP)
+Post like yours are a reminders that restricted fags are worse than anti-gun fags
+--- 57881802
+>>57877658
+Every anti-open-carry argument sounds like a hysterical woman:
+
+"You're gonna get shot!
+"People who hate guns will hate guns extra hard!"
+
+Cops open carry exclusively. Please explain to us why they aren't getting constantly mowed down by these "wild gunman" you speak of?
+--- 57881824
+>>57880514
+>you're doing it for attention!
+Literally the most generic anti-gun argument used for everything, do better.
+--- 57881947
+>>57864918 (OP)
+--- 57882052
+>>57871993
+>[x] brings bad attention
+
+anti-gun faggots all read from the same pamphlet.
+--- 57882090
+>>57864918 (OP)
+no. People who do that are just as bad as fags who dress up for attention.
+--- 57882137
+>>57864918 (OP)
+If we had open carry I'd have a springfield or some kind of wooden rifle just as a fashion accessory
+--- 57882157
+>>57882090
+Another one
+--- 57882166
+>>57882157
+an NPC wouldn't say anything that would offend the "Homosexual community". I don't give a shit about fags. 
+
+If you open carry a rifle, you're not doing it for protection. you're doing it for attention. Just like fags who dress all gay. Because they want attention
+--- 57882193
+>>57882166
+You literally took an anti-AR15 argument and applied it to open carry. You're mentally just Citrl+v.
+
+Now go make a small penis reference to complete the package.
+--- 57882228
+If you're openly carrying for attention you're being a faggot. If you're openly carrying because it's necessary or you have a reason to be doing so, it's Based. If you're abusing a loophole that allows for openly carrying when it's necessary to draw attention you're being a gigafaggot. It's that simple.
+--- 57882230
+>>57882193
+>OP posts picture of 2 men with slung AR15s at a food establishment. Utilizing open carry rights
+>Post says nothing specific about AR-15s. Just references carrying a rifle in public
+>"You literally took an anti-AR15 argument and applied it to open carry"
+imagine being this retarded
+--- 57882244
+>>57882193
+pp small because gun big haha gotem
+--- 57882255
+>>57882228
+>If you're openly carrying because it's necessary or you have a reason to be doing so, it's Based. If you're abusing a loophole that allows for openly carrying when it's necessary to draw attention you're being a gigafaggot. It's that simple.
+there are very few instances where people open carry for a real reason beyond "muh right". Most do it because it is apart of their outfit. I used to be friends with someone who would always open carry. Even to go through the drive through at Chick-fil-A in a very very safe and wealthy area where no crime happens.
+--- 57882265
+>>57882166
+As opposed to "conceal carry" a rifle.
+--- 57882286
+>>57882265
+if you aren't cc'ing a 16 inch rifle during the winter under your coat you are not prepared for when the thing comes to get you
+--- 57882290
+>>57882265
+>he wasn't here when the anon got pulled over by police and he was CC an Obrez
+--- 57882304
+>>57882230
+"you just want attention" is what anti "black gun" faggots say all the time, you absolute dunce.
+
+Next time you see a rifle slung in the open take one of these and you'll feel better.
+--- 57882320
+>>57882290
+Obrez isn't a rifle, it's an absolutely based pistol that NFA inaccurately calls an SBR.
+
+Hope he got it back.
+--- 57882321
+>>57882304
+>"you just want attention" is what anti "black gun" faggots say all the time, you absolute dunce.
+ah right. You're a fag. I understand now.
+--- 57882322
+>>57866812
+Send pics pussy
+--- 57882336
+>>57882320
+he never lost it. It was in a shoulder holster under his winter jacket. which he displayed to the police
+--- 57882339
+>>57877539
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_crocodile?wprov=sfla1
+--- 57882351
+>>57882286
+I wish Florida had winters or I would do this.
+--- 57882363
+>>57882321
+You get emotional when you see a slung rifle. There's absolutely nothing you can say.
+
+>>57882336
+nice
+--- 57882377
+can someone explain to me why they have their slings over the left shoulder? Are they both left handed?
+--- 57882410
+>>57882377
+no. they just slung it like that because they are fuds. they don't actually know what they are doing
+--- 57882447
+>>57864918 (OP)
+I only open carry on my wrench and even then it's a pistol. Would never haul my rifle everywhere unless I'm out plinking or hunting with it.
+--- 57882454
+>>57882447
+*ranch, no fucking clue why i said wrench, jfc i need coffee....and fish oil
+--- 57882464
+>>57882255
+I live somewhere you can open carry handguns or long guns and I rarely if ever see people doing it unless they're in a really shitty part of town, are coming back from the range or hunting/fishing, or are worth assloads of money and probably do need to have a gun on them easily and quickly accessible even in the nicer parts of town. It's just dumb to do it unless it's necessary since it draws attention and tends to make a lot of people nervous, but it's entirely legal and people do do it. I've only open carried when hunting or fishing since innawoods without a gun is a bad idea for a variety of reasons but the only time I've openly carried in public is if I've got a lot of money on me; I do see a lot of people with a pistol in a holster when I'm at the coin shop buying gold or silver but that makes sense and nobody bats an eye.
+--- 57882466
+>>57882447
+>>57882454
+thats not even really "open carry". you're on your private property
+--- 57882495
+>>57882447
+>only for hunting
+--- 57882508
+>>57882464
+>I never see open carry unless I see open carry
+
+Doesn't matter, anti-open carry fags still support shit laws that will put them all in jail.
+--- 57882519
+>>57882508
+nta i don't think it should be illegal to open carry. But that doesn't means i don't think people who do it are attention seeking retards
+--- 57882521
+>>57882466
+That's still considered "brandishing" in some places, unfortunately.
+--- 57882529
+>>57864918 (OP)
+I don't drink liquid jew, no.
+--- 57882531
+>>57882521
+on your own private land?
+--- 57882565
+>>57882531
+yes even inside your home, if someone sees you through the window its brandishing
+--- 57882586
+>>57882565
+This is why I moved out of NY. It's filled with retards who say shit like "you carry guns for attention".
+--- 57882603
+>>57882508
+I ultimately agree with you, I'm just old enough to know being a tryhard autist about the topic is how you end up getting pulled over every single time you leave the house until you inevitably lose your shit and do something illegal and get buried by the local PD under the bottom of the jail, or shot if you go full retard. Don't vote for politicians that would enact laws that you don't like, don't be an autist with a gun in public, and if you do openly carry have a reason for doing it and don't be a fuckin' asshole. Have some understanding of nuance and appropriate behavior instead of being a pissed off teenager trapped in the body of a mid-20-something douche canoe and you can carry a gun on your hip without a problem. 
+>>57882519
+Correct. It should be entirely legal to openly carry a long gun or handgun. People doing so without a valid reason or in certain environments even with a valid reason should prepare to be stopped and questioned about it at a minimum and be able to handle themselves accordingly. I had a cop ask me why I was openly carrying when I stopped at a mcdonalds on the way back home from the coin shop, told him I was carrying a Tanfoglio 10mm and it's a bit too big to CC without printing, and then showed him one of the 1oz gold coins I'd purchased. He just said "nice" and I got my food and that was the end of it. 
+
+If you're gonna open carry be prepared to get tard checked, and if you act like a tard be prepared to be treated like one.
+--- 57882674
+>>57882519
+It shouldn't matter whatsoever.
+--- 57882733
+>>57881824
+>anti-gun argument
+NTA but its not anti gun he spelled it out for you. You are not "protecting" our rights you are attention seeking at best at worst trying to force a police response. Try to picture replacing the gun with a Katana or a bunch of mall cop gear, that is how you look the only difference is mall cops are trying to look cool not shield their attention seeking from criticism using the guise of protecting our rights as gun owners.
+Literally no different than shoving a Camera in someone's face because "this is a public space".
+--- 57882785
+>>57882603
+Those autists are a fringe eliminate that barely exist, solely mentioned to push laws that fuck everyone else via "common sense" arguments. But even if someone wants to carry for the sake of carrying, so what? What actually happens that's measurably negative about it?
+--- 57882794
+>>57866812
+>Infanteriegewehr Modell 96/11
+based
+
+How is your shoulder?
+--- 57882799
+Friendly reminder that open carrying a rifle in the real world will most likely cause you to end up like pic related. Anyone who actually wanted to carry a rifle for anything other than causing a scene would use a shoulder bag of some sort to be more discreet.
+--- 57882845
+>>57882733
+If I see someone with a katana, I think that's a pretty stupid fucking option to stop a mass shooter. If someone gets upset when they see legally owned guns, I WANT them to leave, just like I want them to leave /k/.
+
+They can move to some blue shit-hole utopia.
+--- 57882888
+>>57866812
+I had one with a serial-matched bayonet and muzzle cover. I was forced to surrender it when NYC dis-acknowledged Curios & Relics 20 years ago and didn't give me any time to apply for a rifle permit to keep it.
+
+>inb4 pre-1898
+They don't care and the legal defence would have cost more than the rifle.
+--- 57882894
+>>57882785
+>But even if someone wants to carry for the sake of carrying, so what? What actually happens that's measurably negative about it?
+The cops get a bunch of phone calls about it and have to show up and at minimum talk to you so all the butthurt people that called it in can chill the fuck out after the cops go talk to them, wasting police resources and time and potentially causing a conflict either before, during, or after when they showed up. It puts the PD in a shit situation where they have to both stop someone that's just exercising their rights, which upsets that person, and then upsets whoever called it in when they go explain why they can't do shit about it and why it's entirely legal and not a problem. Don't make the cops look bad and don't open carry around or in an area where shitbirds that are scared of firearms congregate and it's a non-issue. People get butthurt at this reality instead of taking the much easier steps of just not openly carrying unless it's necessary or not openly carrying in areas where shitbirds will be around, or if they have to carry around shitbirds accepting the fact that they're probably gonna have to talk to a cop about it and should be polite and civil when they do. Including being ready for the cops to show up with guns drawn because some asshole lied and said you were being threatening when you weren't, in which case if you don't act like a shitbird and comply you can then turn around and sue the dick off of the county for infringing your rights and a laundry list of other shit which will take money out of said shitbirds pockets in the form of tax revenue paying your settlement so you can finally leave that place and move somewhere that isn't retarded. 
+
+Or you can be an ass and scream about your rights and be a dick to the cops and get shot and die and some smug fuck is hailed as a hero for reporting a crazy guy with a gun. 
+>>57882799
+Correct and checked, or for handguns they'd CC instead of OC
+--- 57882910
+>>57882799
+Except he aimed it at someone you retard
+
+>Owning a gun will get you shot!
+Go back to Moms Against Guns.
+--- 57882929
+>>57882894
+>people get upset
+shortened it for you
+--- 57882987
+>>57882929
+Thanks, just figured I'd spell it all out for the slow kids.
+--- 57883009
+>>57882910
+>>Owning a gun will get you shot!
+Who are you quoting? Are you silly in the head?
+--- 57883013
+>>57882228
+>If you're abusing a loophole that allows for openly carrying when it's necessary to draw attention you're being a gigafaggot
+If you're doing this to be a nuisance about a fucking stupid law like that fishing chad posted earlier in the thread then it's fine. Florida needs to unfuck that bullshit and DeSantis is a bitch ass nigger for half assing the permitless carry instead of going all the way.
+--- 57883098
+>>57883009
+Hes quoting the post
+>>57882799
+>open carrying a rifle in the real world will most likely cause you to end up like pic related
+>the pic related got shot and killed
+thus saying
+>Owning a gun will get you shot!
+
+C'mon man READ!
+--- 57883150
+>>57864918 (OP)
+How many mass shootings took place in areas where people were openly carrying?
+--- 57883167
+>>57883013
+DeSantis is a bitch for about a billion different reasons, still hella dumb to open carry on a mega popular public beach with a rifle and a fishing pole.
+--- 57883227
+>>57883150
+Bunches? Dude shot up a bank a week ago. 
+
+How many mass shootings started with someone open carrying?
+--- 57883296
+>>57877600
+>gets shot while drawing from the back.
+lol
+--- 57883417
+>>57882987
+--- 57883428
+>>57883227
+No one was open carrying in that bank, nice try though
+--- 57883442
+>>57883167
+There's plenty of blue utopias you can move to, go be mad there.
+--- 57883478
+>>57883098
+No one said owning a gun will get you shot though. We said open carrying an AK like a retard will. If you carry it at "low-ready" like the dude in >>57882799 pic, then someone will eventually perceive you as a threat. If you carry it slung on your back like the fags in the OP pic, then a dindu will eventually shoot you in the back of the head to steal your gun. It happens all the time when retards open carry handguns without retention:
+
+https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/clayton-county/police-37-year-old-man-killed-after-gun-stolen-holster-while-waiting-line-gas-station/QBFRQVTEJZB4NISX3ZE6PE3LZQ/
+
+https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/shooting-decatur-dunkin-donuts/85-2d1e1733-b1f9-451e-9296-5153ca46de36
+--- 57883499
+>>57864918 (OP)
+No, I carry a pistol
+--- 57883542
+>>57883478
+>low-ready
+Pointing your muzzle isn't "low ready" you retard.
+
+>37-year-old-man-killed-after-gun-stolen
+CCW get robbed too, better ban that also
+--- 57883601
+I love it when dense spergs try to argue with each other
+--- 57883654
+>>57866059
+>wh-what I'm just FISHING bro?
+Open carry faggots just like the attention
+--- 57883661
+>>57866059
+unbelievably based dude.
+--- 57883682
+If you open carry a rifle and record yourself with a chest cam thinking your the authority on schooling anyone. You are a dumbass. End of discussion.
+--- 57883689
+>>57883542
+How do CCW get robbed if they're concealed? Brainlet.
+--- 57883699
+>>57883542
+You argue in bad faith and are desperate to be right.
+--- 57883733
+For those of you here who think Trump's whole "National Conceal Carry 2024" is legit. Well. don't forget he said the exact same thing back in 2016, and he never did shit about it when we actually could have gotten things passed.
+
+He's lying to you
+--- 57883806
+>>57883227
+>mass shooters had guns
+
+People who get ass-hurt over open carry really are indistinguishable from anti-fun advocates
+--- 57883836
+>>57883699
+You think aiming center-mass at a seated driver is low ready. Take your "faith" and fuck off.
+--- 57883844
+>>57883689
+The same way people with concealed wallets get their wallets stolen at gun point?
+--- 57883865
+Based Jerry Miculek dabbing on open-carry spergs
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGslzXxDhEU [Embed]
+--- 57883905
+>>57883865
+That vest is the last thing I would wear if I didn't want anyone to think I was carrying.
+--- 57884048
+>>57883905
+Then wear a jacket you nitpicking princess
+--- 57884320
+>>57882894
+If its such a waste of police resources, maybe they should stop responding to it
+--- 57884672
+>>57883733
+Trump couldn't even get the wall due to RINOs like McCain and Ryan.
+>>57884320
+>HELP HELP 911 THERE'S A CRAZY INCEL IN THE GROCERY STORE WITH AN ASSAULT WEAPON
+Of course they're going to respond to it.
+--- 57884683
+>>57884672
+>Trump couldn't even get the wall due to RINOs like McCain and Ryan.
+you couldn't be more wrong
+--- 57884702
+>>57883865
+There's going to be one sperg in this thread who will have a meltdown over this.
+--- 57887108
+>>57882529
+based
+--- 57888087
+>>57883601
+me too
+--- 57888238
+>>57865323
+You know they are methheads because they are thin
+--- 57888272
+>>57882910
+>Except he aimed it at someone you retard
+it was proven in a court beyond reasonable doubt that he didn't
+--- 57890083
+>>57876861
+necessary
+--- 57890331
+>>57890083
+Is this one of those things where it's like those shitty prank channels where they hire black guys to pretend to beat them up or threaten them?

k/57865882.txt

@@ -588,3 +588,429 @@ It will never be a duty round, dealwithit.
 >>57879510
 >55 round drum
 Why not just go with a P90 if you want capacity so bad that you'd consider bulky drums?
+--- 57879685
+>>57879625
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01OAJo_7M2s [Embed]
+
+this might change your viewpoints.
+
+>>57879656
+cus the barrel on that is 16 inches and it's great for poorfags. the 5.7 round needs velocity to do any damage
+--- 57879737
+>>57879685
+>cus the barrel on that is 16 inches and it's great for poorfags. the 5.7 round needs velocity to do any damage
+...the stock civilian market PS90 comes with a 16" barrel, and there is no gun in 5.7x28mm that's great for poorfags when ammo prices are comparable to full power rifle cartridges at 65c/round.
+--- 57879824
+>>57879737
+bottleneck cartridges are the future of handgun cartridges and duty firearms but go off.
+--- 57879910
+>>57879824
+>don't actually offer any advantage for normal civilian world handgun use
+>lose more energy out of shorter carry gun barrels than straight wall pistol cartridges
+>more expensive
+>suck to reload for, particularly 5.7x28mm with its extreme pickiness about case maintenance and need for rifle primers due to its high pressures rather than being able to use pistol primers
+"the future"
+--- 57880671
+>>57879824
+The real future of pistols and shotguns is caseless ammo.
+
+>Low volume of fire weapons do not suffer from the heat build up issue (which was already solved btw)
+>Lightweight as feathers
+>High efficiency magazines that use cube shaped ammo
+>Fired electronically so the trigger is always perfectly crisp no matter what the mechanics of the gun are
+--- 57880711
+>>57880671
+>crisp trigger
+
+If it doesn't have a sweet tangy crunch supreme trigger I don't want it.
+--- 57880904
+They're all fine as long as you practice. If you don't practice then we'll... Pick your poison and uh... Good luck.
+--- 57881519
+>>57865882 (OP)
+>are shotguns for home defense a meme?
+No, but all weapons are a series of compromises. 
+In the case of the shotgun you are trading capacity and rapid fire for a lot of power in single blasts. Pump actions are reliable and can be fast enough if you actually bothered to train for it.
+My advice: Get a Mossberg 500 or 590 and a bunch of snap caps and run dry drills through your home.
+Maybe look up room clearing videos on YouTube.
+Short stroking is practically a non-issue and is about as likely as a malfunction is in a semi-auto rifle.
+> I feel like a shorty ar just looks too "scary" and a pistol is underpowered
+My only issue with AR pistols is the noise.
+A pistol is a solid choice for HD and one that everyone seems to gloss over in their argument over shotguns vs carbines.
+--- 57881614
+>>57875307
+>I get the impression that even in castle doctrine/stand your ground states that shooting someone in home defense is gonna either get you imprisoned or sued by the home invader if they lived or by their family if they die
+Well you can think that, but you’re wrong. Try finding examples of that happening.
+--- 57881627
+5.56 sucks big donkey dick for home defense
+--- 57881722
+>>57876415
+>American police win over 98% of their gunfights, they're exceptional.
+With huge numerical advantages and criminals usually trying to escape versus trying to fight. And probably 75% of engagements can niggers who suck at shooting. Cops hit between 10-15% of their shots which is abysmal. The times when people fight rather than flee cops lose or have a negative K:D
+
+Civilian stats are very very hard to find but from what we can find, they hit more often, stop the threat in fewer shots, and don’t hurt bystanders as often.
+--- 57881734
+>>57876495
+>Soldier's never get close enough to get that hard of an adrenaline dump.
+>trust me guys the profession with a higher obesity rate than the general population is actually hard as fuck
+>soldiers ain’t got shit on us
+Post body, officer tubby
+--- 57881816
+>>57876631
+>Instructor
+If that’s true than you should know how fucking bad most cops are at shooting
+--- 57881841
+>>57878169
+>and rifles/armor/big teams are only used for higher threat levels
+Oh so when the stakes are higher the rifles come out? Wow what a fucking shock. If you are clearing rooms in HD then the stakes will never be higher for you. 
+
+Please show me a single doctrine that supports solo room clearing with a pistol. I’ll admit I’m wrong if you do.
+--- 57881872
+>>57879008
+It’s true. Search for drywall penetration by bullets or something on YouTube. Tons of people have done it. 
+
+Standard 55gr FMJ won’t go through more interior walls than 9mm because it starts to tumble. If you’re really worried about overpenetration (you shouldn’t be) use 60gr vmax. Vmax and similar are purposely designed to fragment and break up. The 60gr is just enough heavier to help reach vitals.
+--- 57881881
+>>57879101
+>ricochets
+How will that happen in your house?
+--- 57881892
+>>57879423
+>Blame the nigger who caused it not the cops who struggled to solve the horrific situation he caused
+Wut?
+>You're not going to like guerilla justice. Have fun getting your hands chopped off for stealing nigger.
+We aren’t niggers so we don’t steal. Ever think that were the ones doing the chopping?
+>We protected criminals from street justice more than anything else.
+Thanks for admitting it. This is why everyone hates you. You protect criminals rather than stop them.
+--- 57882054
+>>57881892
+Tbf they also protect people accused of crime
+--- 57882056
+I watched all 4 John Wicks, my feet and fist are more lethal weapons. That's why I keep them in a combination lockbox.
+--- 57882478
+>>57879510
+>all the size of a carbine
+>with all the weakness of a pistol round
+5.7 is cool. Some niche cases it’s great. But if you have a non-NFA 16” gun, just get an AR (or whatever carbine). It’s better.
+--- 57882489
+>>57879685
+>and it's great for poorfags
+No 5.7 is great for poorfags. If budget is the primary concern, get an AR in 5.56
+>the 5.7 round needs velocity to do any damage
+Yeah and .223/5.56 has even more and better bullets
+--- 57882498
+>>57879824
+>bottleneck cartridges are the future of handgun cartridges
+Then why did you post a rifle dipshit? And talk about a 16” barrel giving it the velocity it needs?
+--- 57882659
+>>57882054
+Like whom? The people trying to keep their businesses open during covid against the wishes of illegal health orders? The pastors holding services in parking lots? Or the people expressing their 1st amendment rights to complain about the previous items? Or did you mean those accused of wrongthink via red flag laws that violate the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments? How fortunate we are that they stick up for us lowly citizens and our pesky rights. Oh wait….
+--- 57882688
+>>57877879
+>he doesn't live in Texas
+NGMI
+--- 57882718
+>>57866344
+>more likely to fuck up someone wearing concealed armor plates
+lol
+--- 57882743
+>>57873783
+>only eee for a minute
+"Temporary" hearing loss is permanent cell death that your brain still has redundancy to cope with and work around. It is still very much a permanent degradation of function that chunk of salty fat in your skull is pulling off voodoo magic to stop you from noticing.
+--- 57884711
+>>57867207
+>First shell is birdshot. It warns off the intruder without doing lethal damage
+Lol at short distances it will make a big hole at whatever you shoot, it will absolutely kill
+--- 57884896
+>>57881841
+Not when the stakes are higher but when the potential threat is different, the stakes are always high because it's your life & your team's lives. I'll tell you right now, my life and my family's lives are better protected by my handgun and superior indoors tactics, then your rifle and your retardation. You will not do as well with it. The threat you will most likely face and the tactics you should use are far better suited for a handgun.
+
+>>57881892
+>you
+Not me, I just told you it wasn't me. I don't have any ideological ties to those people, I did it for a paycheck. They all do, some get caught up and get ideologically tied. You can point your fat little schizo fingers and say I admitted that too.
+
+You won't do shit, whites are extremely cowardly. We protected you more than anything. If police are gone you're on the chopping block. I was alluding to Asian and Middle Eastern store owners when I said that.
+--- 57885000
+>>57884896
+>You won't do shit, whites are extremely cowardly. We protected you more than anything. If police are gone you're on the chopping block
+
+Again, look at CHAZ. Two lunchtime rowdies came in with a hot car, they got lit up, somebody came in and shot them execution style, killed one. Brass got cleaned up, witnesses shut up, no arrests.
+Or Ahmed Arbory the original jogger. The only thing stopping this from happening a lot more is cops.
+--- 57885076
+>>57885000
+>white trash do dumb shit therefore the good whites will be safe
+
+Those are both examples of absolutely retarded things white people have done.
+--- 57885108
+>>57882688
+Yeah glad I don’t live in a Metropolitan area that’s mostly floodplain and full of steers, queers, and Californians.
+--- 57885169
+>>57885076
+CHAZ wasn't white trash you fucking tard it was leftist antifa types thinking the CHUDs were attacking lol
+--- 57885233
+>>57885169
+>wasn't white trash
+>leftist antifa types
+
+Same thing. You think you have to be a republitard to be white trash? It just means low IQ genetic trash whites, they make up a significant portion of leftists. These are not smart people, they're homeless drug addicts who ate the entire Jewish indoctrination cake. They're the lowest form of whites, at least the right wing retards have jobs and families.
+--- 57885401
+>>57876606
+>The design peaked with the AUG
+It peaked with the FAMAS it's not a meme for nothing. That is the only one that has a proper trigger and is the most compact one. 
+Most guns with collapsible stocks are shorter than the military issued AUG, it's barely smaller than the M4.
+The reason the FAMAS never took (and why it's getting replaced) is because of industrial and political reasons, not because the gun is lacking in qualities. You have a 20 inch barrel and a bipod to shoot long distance, a short rifle to clean rooms, you can switch it for lefties with a cartridge as your only tool, it had a stupid fire rate so with the bipod it could do some suppression in the absence of a SAW, it has a burst mode that increase chances to hit especially for not well trained troops, it comes with it's assortement of rifle grenades without having to add a dedicated launcher. It's truly built with multipurpose in sight making it the best "service" rifle.
+An M4 with a 10.5in is better for room cleaning a DMR is better for long shots, a M79 is a more precise grenade launcher, a SAW is better for suppression, etc...
+But the FAMAS does it all.
+--- 57885460
+>>57866700
+And burn your house down. This is still home defense we're talking about. Would it really bypass armor if all the shots Land on it, or would the armor just contain the fire
+--- 57885486
+>>57885460
+>>57866700
+Dragon breath are just good to set the countryside on fire.
+People on camera douse whatever they want to catch fire with accelerant then fire the dragon breath, IRL about as useful as firing a flare into someone.
+--- 57885594
+>>57872186
+Because your house will burn down lol
+--- 57885772
+>>57866519
+That's worth considering but I think the effectiveness of a shotgun speaks for itself. I am considering subsonic loads (pump shotgun) to potentially mitigate heating damage as well.
+--- 57887193
+>>57866876
+arg fags will actually kill themselves if their baby is locked up forever
+--- 57888330
+>>57887193
+I’m afraid to use my antique weapons in a home defense situation for fear they’ll take it and by the time they hand it back it’s a piece of rust
+So I use a 400$ gun instead
+--- 57888528
+>>57866876
+>retard actually thinks the specs of his gun have that much of an effect on the outcome of a self defense scenario
+--- 57888562
+>>57865882 (OP)
+Shotgun isn't a meme. Stopping power isn't a meme.
+5.56 is shit for self defense. I have shot a lot of stuff with .223 Rem: fox, coyotes, pigs, white tail, mule deer, javelina, bobcats, feral dogs. Most of those things are smaller and lighter than a human, it's still underpowered for killing them. A lot of that is that even the expensive hollowpoints fail to expand about half the time because the projectile is so small. It's very accurate, controllable, flat-shooting, mags carry a lot of it, blah blah. If you are using an SBR like half of the retards on this board will suggest you may as well just use a 10/22 and save your eardrums. You will be getting the same ballistics out of a short barrel (and losing a cheaper gun to the cops).
+5.56 is used for military applications. You are not in a squad of ten guys magdumping to keep hadjis pinned so that an A10 can turn their position into a trench full of human-flavored milkshake. You are one person, you probably have one shot to save your life and your family's life. You want them to die when you pull the trigger. Not be scared, not be warned, not be wounded. You are only firing because they are threatening your life. You need that problem solved. A 12 gauge full of your choice of buck is a pretty good solution.
+
+Note: 5.7 is even worse than 5.56
+--- 57888583
+>>57867170
+>“I cast Niggus Deletus”
+my fucking god dude. that gave me a kek
+--- 57888584
+>>57866974
+1. Keep a few extra spent shotshells (match how many you use)
+2. Fire the same type of shell out of both guns
+... and that's that
+--- 57888603
+Why do I have to see this theead every fucking day.
+
+As if all of us don’t already know that shotguns are most powerful weapon you can have for defensive use, and the one gun shitlibs are receptive to.
+--- 57888639
+>>57867170
+>“I cast Niggus Deletus”
+
+My sides exploded out of battery.
+--- 57888648
+>>57877919
+With a 30% hit rate. Ex LE and not surprised at all.
+--- 57888681
+>>57874961
+They should not be in your house and if they were in mine I'd magdump through the walls at waist height. I have no problem repairing holes.
+
+A strategically placed mirror and furniture to funnel attackers would help.
+--- 57888766
+>>57884896
+t.
+--- 57888990
+>>57865882 (OP)
+>are shotguns for home defense a meme?
+
+old celebrities like whoopie goldberg made it a meme. she said just cock the shotgun when you hear the intruder is in the home and they'll run away, or whatever. in reality it's a long ass weapon and you have to be trained with it. any gun is good in home defense. there's no perfect gun for home defense.
+
+if you want absolute peace and protection, hide multiple firearms in several locations in your home that a burglar wouldn't look into.
+--- 57889037
+They incapacitate better than rifles within 50 yards, in regards to number shots fired.
+However, they're not as good for causing instant lethality as rifles.
+--- 57889064
+>>57889037
+>shotgun
+>not as good for instant lethality
+You're high.
+--- 57889121
+>>57884896
+>Not me, I just told you it wasn't me. I don't have any ideological ties to those people
+>We protected you more than anything
+Pick one you faggot. Are you just some guy collecting a paycheck or are you part of the group? You say "we" often and talk like you are a cop so you are part of the group.
+
+>I'll tell you right now, my life and my family's lives are better protected by my handgun and superior indoors tactics
+Unless you have claymores rigged up at entrances, I doubt it. My tactic is to post up at the top of the stairs and wait in the killbox, not to go around searching for them and clearing rooms like some l33t oper8tor. 
+>You will not do as well with it. 
+Dead is dead and long guns kill people quicker. Period.
+>The threat you will most likely face and the tactics you should use are far better suited for a handgun.
+Lol what threats? A couple redguards trying to get the palace treasury are handled with either. If the world collapses after the boys in blue disappear, like you pretend it will, then packs of raiders are much too large of a threat to deal with using a handgun.
+>You won't do shit, whites are extremely cowardly
+Correct. I am completely demoralized. Time to hand over my guns and report for penis inspection day.
+>We protected you more than anything.
+Lol. Lmao. Let see
+>Warren vs DC
+>Lozito v. New York City
+>Katrina gun confiscation
+>Dorner manhunt shooting two women in a completely different vehicle over 100 times (and not managing to kill either)
+>Dennis Tuttle
+>Duncan Lemp
+>UPS driver carjacking
+>the entirety of 2020
+>Uvalde
+Sure bro you really keep us safe
+
+You won't answer to the rest, so answer this. What's your BMI? Mine is 25.7, and I admit I have about 5lbs to lose.
+>https://time.com/3637967/police-officers-fattest-profession-study/
+--- 57889145
+>>57885076
+Chaz was literally all niggers and anarcho-commie leftist whites. Try again
+--- 57889161
+>>57866700
+By the time they burnt enough to matter, if they even start on fire, they could shoot you 10 times
+--- 57889173
+>buckshot has the highest rate of 1-stop shots at a tad over 80% of cases
+Shotguns just work :^)
+--- 57889190
+Related video.
+
+>Analyzing 1800 Shootings: Which Caliber Has the Best Stopping Power?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5AnrYFHws [Embed]
+--- 57889219
+>>57889064
+I might be, might be not, I sure wish I was, but that's what the numbers over 20 years say. Also that's beyond 50 yards. within 50 they're basically the same.
+--- 57889227
+>>57889219
+>literally said within 50 yards
+>now it's outside of 50 yards
+>hurdur home defense at more than 50 yards
+nigger shut the fuck up
+>muh data
+yeah post it
+--- 57889229
+>>57889037
+>they're not as good for causing instant lethality as rifles.
+With the same shot placement they are equal and almost certainly better (assuming proper loads). Quicker stops are what shotguns have going for them
+--- 57889267
+>>57889229
+I think the quicker stops are mostly a psychological error, given modern rifle ammunition. 
+
+>it takes x seconds for any non-brain hit to produce an effect through blood loss
+>shotgun has a rate of fire of 1 per x
+>rifle has a rate of fire of 4 per x
+>it appears shotguns are 4x as good when actually rifles may be equally good, but rifle users automatically overkill because they're able to unlike with a slower ROF gun
+--- 57889269
+>>57889219
+Nigger it’s home defense. 10 yards is a long shot. 25 yards is absurdly far in this context. 25 would be outside the home and then it’s an entirely different discussion.
+--- 57889272
+>>57866349
+>>57866174
+Plebs
+--- 57889357
+>>57889227
+Worry not weary stranger. You are correct in all of your assumptions and 20 years of police engagement analysis is wrong. Time for your victory sleep. Goodnight. 
+
+>>57889229
+It was all done with 000 and 00 buck which was deemed appropriate for the 40 planned standoffs, which sometimes folded to 100 yards. so, yea your assumption is validated by the book. 
+
+I implied beyond 50 yards, centerfire rifles maintain high rates of instant lethality and incapacitation, when within 50 the shotgun is marginally the same.
+--- 57889368
+>>57889357
+>40 yard planned standoffs
+--- 57889398
+>>57889269
+I haven't stated an opinion this entire thread lol. I mentioned a pretty interesting analysis on shotguns. That's it. I didn't fuck your mom or turn your dog gay.
+--- 57889400
+>>57889357
+>20 years of data
+>n-no I can't post it
+yeah sure seems legit
+>I implied beyond 50 yards
+No you didn't, you directly and in no unceratain terms said the opposite of that.
+>They incapacitate better than rifles within 50 yards, in regards to number shots fired.
+>However, they're not as good for causing instant lethality as rifles.
+You're just fucking wrong, and incredibly stupid.
+--- 57889404
+>>57865882 (OP)
+I heard buckshot maximizes suffering so that's why I chose a shotgun.
+--- 57889413
+>>57875936
+You're not going to be convicted of a crime for shooting an INTRUDER in your own home with an AR15. That's not how it fucking works. It's fear mongering. You might be charged by an NPC ADA but it's going to have to be some blatantly stupid shit you did or you live in California.
+--- 57889421
+>>57889400
+
+See picrel. 
+>>57889037
+You waste of cum, It was literally posted lol.
+--- 57889454
+>>57889421
+>see pic rel
+>doesn't post pic
+Hmm, not seeing any data at all on shotgun lethality. Oh look, it took me less than one second to look up.
+
+Now what do you want to bet if we filter out all the fudds who bought into "use birdshot so it won't overpenetrate" that buckshot has a near 100% incapacitation rate?
+--- 57889616
+>>57889454
+
+5% more... out of how many shots? at what distance? what load? Where did you get this from? This means very little. Which is why i cited the BOOK, you fucking caveman. Citing a source isn't the same as spoon feeding a vegetative retard, it's letting you know where the information was from so you can go look at it yourself. that's how empirical data works. 
+
+>Now what do you want to bet if we filter out all the fudds who bought into "use birdshot so it won't overpenetrate" that buckshot has a near 100% incapacitation rate?
+>>57889357
+
+or you know, go read the book you insufferable little shit.
+--- 57889626
+>>57889616
+>cited a source
+But you didn't do that. You just said
+>here's a picture of a book
+That is not a citation. Page number and direct quote, right now or you're full of it.
+--- 57889633
+>>57889616
+>r-read the book
+Not gonna, don't care. 00 buck to the chest is in no way survivable under any circumstance.
+--- 57889662
+Anyone who doubts the power of the shotgun should let someone shoot them with one.
+--- 57889709
+>>57889626
+>You just said
+Brother, that's what citing is. When you go to school, you're taught several writing formats and citing them is all pretty much the same thing across the board. 
+
+>Page number and direct quote, right now
+Alright, lets see here by pulling this book out of my ass that I keep on my person for this exact scenario... Ah yes, Page 21 is says the following. "Your moms a hoe."
+
+>>57889633
+The book was written pretty much on that entire premise.
+--- 57889721
+>>57889709
+>Brother, that's what citing is
+No, it's not.
+>When you go to school, you're taught several writing formats and citing them is all pretty much the same thing across the board. 
+Perfect, now fill out your citation using one of those forms. Oh wait, you can't because you don't have a source. "I read a story" isn't a source.
+--- 57889775
+>>57866947
+>>57876361
+why exactly would you want to pump the shotgun, when you could instead not do that?
+--- 57889797
+>>57889721
+You can post links to abstracts which is considered citing but the name of a book and author, holy shit not good enough for the internet of strangers. Seems you're right afterall and I'm sure if (You) cite the book it will show something magically entirely different. 
+
+Besides replying to your bitch ass all night, It's a great book and everyone interested about shotguns should read it.
+--- 57889905
+>>57876521
+>*magdumps someone just sitting in his car*
+>"u-uh he had a gun in a holster so it's justified"
+based
+--- 57890079
+>>57889775
+Cost. That’s a good reason. But you missed my entire point. It’s not that pumps are better than semi autos, it’s that short stroking it is not a serious concern
+--- 57890106
+>>57890079
+Not him, agree. However, I do think there is a risk of you getting injured and being unable to use the pump effectively.
+--- 57890541
+>>57889145
+So black trash and white trash.
+--- 57890559
+>>57884896
+This retard is definitely a mall cop

k/57866742.txt

@@ -106,3 +106,54 @@ based
 --- 57879324
 >>57866816
 This man's dick
+--- 57881165
+>>57879318
+Kek
+--- 57881634
+>>57874038
+Based.
+--- 57881709
+Brick, also good when going to war against the unspeakable
+--- 57881752
+>>57866855
+>be watching this movie at dad's house
+>which is out on the country next to a huge field
+>my dad, sister, dog and me
+>stepmom died recently in a car crash
+At least it wasn't as bad as basically a week after she died and we were watching the James Bond movie where he gets married and she dies in a driveby.
+--- 57881778
+>>57873736
+H...hot.
+--- 57883282
+>>57871196
+Remember when demons and beast cast their darkness, you’ll have God’s love and Browning’s wrath to guide you
+--- 57884375
+>>57866742 (OP)
+20mm Vulcan and my dick. 
+>>57867005
+Soviet reports were that SAMs and AKs work just fine as long as you can weather the ayyy's response.
+--- 57885644
+>>57867121
+>Le Shaymalan plotwist
+
+Most overrated director of the 00s.
+--- 57886151
+I read a story about how some drunk russian detailed how to make a fairly simple, I think Plasma Cannon.
+
+You start by digging a hole about a mile deep in the earth, then line it thick with really good concrete until it's as close to a perfect circle as possible.
+Fill it halfway full of water, and float a nuclear bomb at the bottom, and cap it with a copper disk.
+Upon detention, every bit of water in it will be atomized, and send the copper disk into space at an appreciable fraction of light.
+--- 57886237
+>>57866742 (OP)
+M4
+--- 57888332
+>>57881709
+based
+--- 57890294
+>>57866816
+A man this confident in combat potential of his own penis cannot possibly be wrong. 
+
+Give 'em hell, O Champion of the Human Race!
+--- 57890930
+>>57879318
+I will now buy your book.

k/57867317.txt

@@ -320,3 +320,131 @@ It's a metaphor for his new station in life.
 --- 57878031
 >>57867745
 It’s like I’m watching an episode of the show right now. Which I am, but I mean like a second one at the same time.
+--- 57880105
+Bump
+--- 57880207
+>>57875527
+Man, that episode is so good, but he turns down the French countess (or whatever her social standing is) and then goes to the wife that ends up cheating on him while stealing all his money. Honestly, I'd have tried to find that castle again.
+--- 57880222
+>>57867317 (OP)
+Why doesn’t use a Glock or something? Swords are pretty obsolete
+--- 57880236
+I was ambush! Terribly ambush at Hostomel! By BLACK Afro-Ukrainians!
+--- 57880267
+>>57877681
+Mercian regiment
+--- 57880482
+>>57880207
+>wife that ends up cheating on him while stealing all his money.
+Which one? It happens to him like every other book.
+--- 57880554
+>>57880482
+only one wife steals his money; Jane, the one with the humongous tits in the series
+
+Poor Teresa died (my type), nobody cares about Lucille, the rest are all passing love interests
+--- 57880596
+>>57867505
+>His cavalry sword was given to him by a dying superior officer in one of the books iirc.
+same deal with the show, officer doomed even explicitly tells Sharpe that his sword will make the chosen men respect him more
+--- 57880657
+>>57870946
+That officer is the commander of the British army in Spain. 
+Sharpes Rifles, the first episode, isn't amazing, but the second one, Sharpes Eagle is really good, if you don't like that one the series probably isn't for you.
+--- 57880659
+>>57867745
+The "AAAAAHHHHHH BANG with the 7 barreled gun" gets me every time
+--- 57880720
+>>57880554
+>not knowing Elizabeth Hurley
+Peak 90s coomer bait
+--- 57880748
+>>57867745
+>>"Oh surely as the fields o' Ireland are green, sir, God has a plan for us, sir"
+My fucking sides
+--- 57880763
+>>57880720
+>Machine gun jubblies?! How did I ever miss those!
+Indeed
+Still, I confess a predilection for the slim streamlined type of girl
+--- 57880870
+>>57867317 (OP)
+>for range traps, James?
+--- 57881280
+He did literally nothing wrong.
+--- 57881896
+>>57880554
+Lucille is pretty top tier, tfw no French farmgirl waifu to put her cow milking skills to use on you after taking the buckshot she put in you out, Shame she only appears in two episodes
+Jane may have massive tits, but you're making yourself related to Simerson which is a fate worse than death really
+--- 57882198
+>>57867745
+>They fuck
+>"Look Patrick! It's the thing we're here for!"
+Blessed take.
+--- 57884783
+>no gunpilled qt Irish gf
+--- 57884785
+Why the fuck do the soundtracks for this show NOT have the electric guitar? I don't need some Snape-haired bumbandit warbling about Spanish hills.
+--- 57884893
+>>57884783
+Idk why she never made another appearance
+--- 57884948
+>>57884893
+Sharpe's Gold is infamously the worst episode, not based on the novel and the more that recurred from it, the more that ITV would have to acknowledge the Aztec turd's existence.
+--- 57885083
+>>57884948
+Best Sharpe girl though other than Liz Hurley
+--- 57885093
+>>57885083
+Lass making Simmerson swallow his own money at gunpoint is fucking kino tbf.
+--- 57886031
+>>57867986
+Wounded? You mean shot and stabbed through the chest 9 times only to walk it off to the sound of
+>o'er the hills and far away...
+--- 57886184
+>>57880236
+>PISS THY BRITCHES
+--- 57886418
+>>57885093
+Which episode? I don't remember that.
+--- 57886701
+>>57886031
+>it's another episode of Sharpe jets ambushed and gets his ass kicked in some alley again
+--- 57886714
+>>57867317 (OP)
+Because swords rock brother
+--- 57886924
+>>57884785
+you shut your bitch mouth about hagman
+are you just jealous that he is the finest shot with a rifle and you aren't?
+or maybe you're just fr-nch
+--- 57886993
+>>57886418
+Sharpe's Sword. Peak Simmerson fuckery, from his shit hat to his sobbing defeat in a swordfight.
+--- 57887124
+Why does Simmerson get so much play in these threads, but not arguably the best villain to have ever marched out of a cloud of pipeclay. 
+Obadiah must have his scratchings, mother.
+--- 57887156
+>>57887124
+simmerson has flair and a misplaced sense of superiority
+obadiah is just petty and deranged
+--- 57887182
+>Well I say, I say, why are we fighting white men?
+>I would much prefer to be whipping my niggers as they pick my cotton.
+>*chomps cigar*
+Seriously, what was his problem?
+--- 57887283
+>>57887182
+That's a very bad misreading of his character.
+--- 57887464
+>>57887283
+lurk more
+--- 57888191
+>>57887124
+Obadiah is legitimately too scary to meme about.
+--- 57888620
+>>57887124
+Obadiah is a shit villain
+--- 57891387
+>>57887124
+>Obadiah must have his scratchings, mother.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoR3nmvjnw [Embed]

k/57868019.txt

@@ -309,3 +309,284 @@ You know they make molle pouches right?
 >>57876725
 >Coyote tactical IFAKs (they support pass thru as well as molle)
 Shit I have one and didn't even realize. Could have spared myself two LAB panels.
+--- 57880850
+>>57877111
+No, it uses a different battery unique to it. I'd personally recommend getting a Yaesu FT-65R over this as it's essentially a Baofeng at the silicon level but with good filtering so the radio can actually pick up shit. If you're just getting this to slap on your plate carrier to keep in touch with your training buddies in the woods it's no big deal and the fengs will do what you need them to do, but if you start wanting to talk over more significant distances (more than a mile or two) you'll get frustrated by how deaf these things can be to lower power signals.
+--- 57880883
+>>57873970
+Are you just referring focus caps? I just punched a 5.56 hole in the soft bikini caps I bought and it works fine for me. I haven’t had nearly enough need for a lot of change of focus tasks to warrant paying for the over priced caps. 
+ A friend of mine used butler creek caps with a hole punched in it and it works for me. When my 31As come in that’s probably what I’m going to use as the traditional bikini caps can sometimes be finicky.
+--- 57880889
+>>57880883
+*works for him
+--- 57880953
+>>57878222
+A decent radio will have li-ion packs that you won't be able to beat for their footprint no matter what kind of 18650 holder you 3d print/cast from epoxy/buy off amazon. You could make the argument that 18650's are cheaper (hint: they're not, you're just buying cheap, dangerous batteries with overinflated stats) but 99% of the time it makes better sense to buy extra li-ion packs from the manufacturer or a trusted 3rd party since you can actually carry more usable capacity than you would stuffing 18650's in your gear.
+AA/AAA/123 holders have their place since the shelf life of basic-bitch drug store lithium batteries is orders of magnitude longer than a rechargeable with no maintenance/conditioning.
+--- 57881728
+amp bros...
+--- 57881793
+>>57881728
+>Catalog
+These look gay as shit too. Cant remember what the benefit is either.
+--- 57882006
+>>57868019 (OP)
+Perhaps a bit of a retarded question, but does anyone know of any shirts or hoddies that have shoulder pockets without looking "tactical". Not trying to greyman, just really like shoulderpockets in general, but I dont wanna walk around in multicam shirts like a mongoloid. I know Helikon tex has a few lines, but are there any other brands?
+--- 57882047
+>>57881793
+Believe its supposed to make space for attachments on the top of the rails. Ops core has been pushing the new SF helmet has a package with the AMPs + goggles + SOTR mask + other gear, which means the underutilized bottom rail had to be used.
+Personally I'm not a fan, I wasnt a fan on the peltor attachments either, since they also pop out, unity tactical is much better imo if you dont wanna run it under the helmet.
+--- 57882141
+>>57871622
+I ran pic related on a NTC Reidar II rig, works great for me. Tho I have switched the Spud pouches over to my plate carrier so Ill have to order more spuds. But I like the option to expand from 3, all the way up to 9 mags.
+But it seems to me like you'd benefit from a system that you can easily adapt and change. Something like what spiritus offers..Im sure there are other options out there.
+--- 57882219
+>>57879586
+Yes but adding on everything else may be a struggle. Especially if I wanted to run my medical in a dangler to keep everything fairly flat without getting so wide that it fucks with wearing a ruck. I haven't seen many molle bases that have velcro to attach a dangler besides the spiritussy split front one.
+--- 57882221
+>>57868019 (OP)
+>fabarm shotty
+Neat
+--- 57882665
+For multiday camping trips with some hiking, would a 3 day suffice or should I spend the bit more on a 50L+ bag?
+--- 57884798
+>>57882665
+Are you able to fit everything you need into a 3-day? If so, that ought to be fine.
+50L isn't a lot for a multi-day hike/camp, though.
+--- 57885086
+>>57885074 →
+>>57885074 →
+>>57885074 →
+--- 57885188
+>>57880883
+You can buy screw in irises on AliExpress for like 40 bucks.
+--- 57885287
+>>57880953
+It's the proprietary, fits one device form factor I object to. If the company goes out of business, then yeah, have to fuck around with a janky holder. If I need to carry backup batteries for e.g. a radio and a light, those are separate batteries – more weight and inflexibility. There isn't any reason in 2023 for proprietary batteries except liability bullshit and in some applications, like phones, everyone insisting shit be as thin as possible. And even in the latter case they could standardize on a LiPo form factor that could be serviced.
+
+>footprint
+
+Doesn't even have to be 18650 again, use 14500/18350 cells.
+--- 57885394
+>>57885287
+Baofeng isn't going out of business anytime soon and the batteries are like 10 bucks each. Even if it did, you could just buy a new radio and not really have it matter.
+--- 57885463
+>>57884798
+How much volume do you think could be good? I'm not thinking about 5+ days (at least for this pack) but like 3 days maybe 4
+--- 57885530
+>>57885463
+A 50 or a 60 would be good. You can get by with less if you know the area, otherwise you'll want to pack a bit extra in case of emergency. (Things like a lifestraw, antibiotics, etc.)
+--- 57885557
+>>57885086
+I'm not even aware of anything other than Sordins when it comes to the halfway point between the cheap stuff and the Comtacs/AMPs. The Sordins sound okay and have directional audio, but I've heard that they're not great for mounting to helmets, if that's any concern. Otherwise, they're fine.
+--- 57885682
+>>57885086
+>>57885557
+Earmors are a good option if you're wanting something a step above the Howard Leights or Impact Sports. Sound quality and directional hearing is much better than those. The Sordins are probably more durable and they do have better sound quality, but the directional hearing is about the same and you get comms and is much better for helmet mounting.
+--- 57885789
+>>57885557
+>>57885682
+Thanks frens
+--- 57885869
+>>57885530
+Sounds good, thanks!
+--- 57886144
+Made a few updates
+--- 57886595
+>>57886144
+I'm gonna go attach my gondola to my SBR because of this.
+--- 57886660
+>>57882219
+>>57879455
+HSGI AO. Put your other stuff in a pocket or something.
+--- 57886677
+hang on, quints?
+--- 57886830
+Those with plate carriers, do you always keep the plates in there when youre wearing it or do you sometimes just use it as a chest rig?
+--- 57886914
+>>57868019 (OP)
+> Dick Kramer poster art
+Brings back memories. There was a time that Kramer art was the meta for anybody putting out a catalog or new advertising line.
+> S&W
+> Colt
+> HK
+> FN
+They all threw money at Kramer to get their new toy featured in a series of Kramer originals.
+And then diamond plate was trendy. And flames. Resulted in some gaudy advertising.
+--- 57886976
+R8 and h8 poverty loadout:
+
+Carrier: 
+>Black Ferro Slickster
+>Unobtanium Gear D.R.I.P placard
+>RMA 1155 (Not MC :'( )
+>Condor shoulder pads 
+>3 mags in front, 2 in coomerbund
+
+Belt:
+>AWS SMU Multicam black
+>Condor double pistol pouch
+>Coyote burrito
+>NAR ifak+tq
+>Condor dump pouch
+>Safariland ALS
+>Amazon PIG ripoff gloves
+
+Pistol:
+>G19
+>Ameriglo Idot sights
+>124g HST
+
+Rifle:
+>BCM 14.5 Socom profile upper
+>Aero poverty lower
+>BCM BCG
+>Midwest Industries MLOK quad rail (not free floated)
+>BCM Comp mod 1
+>Magpul MBUS Pro rear sight
+>Aimpoint PRO
+>SKD lower 1/3 Riser
+>Specter raptor sling
+>SLK Stock
+>MOE k2 grip
+>Magpul VFG
+>Streamlight HLX
+>PMC x-tac 5.56 55gr
+
+Other:
+>Fenix PD35tac
+--- 57886985
+>>57886976
+>RMA 1155
+It's over
+--- 57886999
+Can small tubes and big tubes fit together? I want an equinox but already have long female tubes on my carrier
+--- 57887015
+>>57886144
+Surprised you haven't managed to kill the Inforce. I killed 2 of them on basic 16" middies a few years ago just shooting at the range.
+--- 57887217
+>>57886976
+Me next
+Carrier:
+>Black Ferro Slickster
+>Mk4. Spiritus 3x 55.6
+>single curve lvl 4 ceramic 10x12
+>Ferro shoulder pads
+>3 mags on torso total, could throw more in cummerbund
+
+Belt:
+>Grey Ghost Gear belt
+>Esstac 2pistol 1rifle
+>LBT Med
+>Safariland setup
+
+Pistol:
+>G19 Gen4
+>Holosun 407c
+>Modlite PLwhatever with PLHv1 head
+
+rifle:
+>2000's era CMMG Mod4SA 16" FSP Carbine
+>Eotech xps2-0 
+>PA 3x Mag
+>Unity mounts
+>Drop in MI quad rail
+>Modlite OKW head
+>Surefire warcomp
+>Vltor buffer system (sick nasty)
+>Sopmod b5
+>BCM grip skinny
+
+thats the gist of it
+--- 57887699
+>>57868019 (OP)
+
+>tfw you'll never be a cool operator
+God I hope deep dive VR becomes a thing because I'm too much of a weak pussy to join the armed forces
+--- 57887741
+>>57886976
+>RMA 1155 (Not MC :'( )
+lol
+Your first priority should be to ditch those overweight, single-curve, fiberglass plates. 
+Pretty good, other than that. 
+Captcha: NDASS
+--- 57887762
+>>57887699
+Have you seen the absolute state of the US military?
+--- 57887905
+>>57887762
+if anon's a weak pussy, then surrounding himself with more weak pussies isn't going to help
+--- 57887945
+>>57885086
+i have swatcoms, theyre pretty cool
+the decibel limit when rigging in music is kinda lame though
+on a positive note, the battery life lasted me near 6 months on construction
+--- 57887947
+>>57887699
+Train towards shit that's still relevant as a civilian. It's fun too.
+--- 57887979
+>>57887905
+thanks for the image anon, been looking forever for it
+--- 57888057
+>>57887947
+>Train towards shit that's still relevant as a civilian
+like what specifically
+--- 57888063
+Are the ear plugs that go with amps worth a damn? I'm about to order the amps and it's not much more to get the ones that work with the plugs, but I probably won't order the plugs right now but am wondering if I should down the road
+--- 57888189
+Anyone else getting comtac 7s?
+--- 57888243
+>>57873970
+Fatass.
+--- 57888318
+>>57888189
+do 20 pushups then you can post again.
+--- 57888408
+>>57887741
+>ditch those overweight, single-curve, fiberglass plates.
+y are they so bad? Isn't the Highcom the same weight?
+
+I was gonna go l210 but they also got meme'd on here. And I live in redneck huntin rifle country
+--- 57888459
+What’s /gq/‘s sidearm of choice?
+--- 57888575
+>>57888459
+for me it's the m&p 2.0
+--- 57888731
+>>57888459
+I CC a Glock 19, but use a Glock 45 for OWB stuff.
+--- 57888924
+>>57888459
+Right now it's the 365XL.
+Only Sig gun I own, but it fits my hand exceptionally well.
+--- 57888947
+>>57888459
+P2000, P30SK, Glock 43, depends when and where
+--- 57888993
+>>57888459
+CZ P01 because I like decockers
+--- 57889557
+>>57887015
+He doesn't shoot his gun
+--- 57889725
+>>57887947
+>Train towards shit that's still relevant as a civilian
+so nothing?
+Name the last time a civilian in the US got into a gunfight in his personally purchased plate carrier helmet and nods
+--- 57889839
+>still no axl eclipse belt in multicam restock
+what the fuck is their problem
+--- 57889929
+>>57888459
+Staccato P and Glock 17
+--- 57889932
+>>57889839
+I got an email from OPT earlier today about the axl bunds, did you miss that one as well?
+--- 57890309
+>>57889725
+wow you get it, learn something useful
+--- 57890952
+QASM/GTSR buckles or G hooks for a plate carrier and placard? The QASM/GTSR buckles seem pretty industry standard, but I like how low profile the G hooks look.
+--- 57891041
+>>57886144
+Why the AR mags on the belt? Wouldn't you be better off moving them to the PC and freeing up real estate on the belt?

k/57868061.txt

@@ -288,3 +288,344 @@ Notice how ever since they were deployed to Poland Russia stopped making constan
 Those kinds of people are generally nobility, which play by different rules compared to the random bugman. If you're some average Zhou from a Tier 3 city, you bet your ass you're going to have to fight your way through the rat swarm in order to get some economic security for you and your family.
 --- 57878520
 Honestly? Just retire her, build more F-35's with the difference, and construct the NGAD. It's as shrimple as that.
+--- 57880628
+>>57868061 (OP)
+Upgrade 100 F-22's, decommission the rest, get NGAD and F/A-XX flying by 2027 and >2000 F-35's in the air by 2030 and we're golden.
+
+This is just "gibs more moni for black projects" from the Pentagon, it's the same kind of thinking when we saw the MiG-25, "over estimated it" and then created the 104:0 K/D F-15 which remains the single best 4.5th gen fighter on the planet +50 years after first flight.
+--- 57880669
+>>57870364
+The moment you lengthen the design you end up with completely different aero performance, which means different control surfaces, which means different flight control systems, which means different engine tolerances which means etc etc etc
+
+Whilst the J-10 did build off of Lavi data (and the JF-17 evolved from the Super 7 project) to say it's a copy would be a incorrect over-simplification.
+
+It's like saying the AK-47 is a copy of the STG-44
+
+Bottom line is:
+>Jews can't be trusted
+>Neither can chinks
+>Physics is the same globally, aircraft designed for similar roles will end up looking similar
+>Learning from other's is a natural part of development
+>No such thing as "small changes" - small changes in design/engine usage lead to huge knock on effects.
+--- 57880691
+>>57870531
+J-20 is not an air superiority fighter. 
+It's primary goal is to defeat slow moving AWACS platforms. 
+J-20 will never be comparable to the F-22.
+--- 57880694
+>>57880669
+
+The 5th gen J-20 design was remade after 100 units produced. Is this not the biggest shit show in modern aviation history or what
+--- 57880700
+>>57868997
+The problems that make the f-22 obsolete include its missile bay being too small to carry top of the line A2A missiles. This is also true of the f-35.
+
+What we need for real is a new air superiority fighter, the NGAD.
+--- 57880706
+>>57870531
+PL-15 specs cannot be trusted. That's why there is no hurry in the west to develop a counter.
+--- 57880728
+>>57880691
+I don't think the criteria defining an air superiority fighters is static. Today's fighters need to be fast, high, long sighted and able to carry many missiles or at least some big missiles with high PK. The j-20 seems like it has some of that.
+--- 57881115
+>>57880728
+>The j-20 seems like it has some of that.
+Based on what data, exactly? May I see the J-20 flying high and fast at Mach 1.5+? It carries 4 missiles internally, plus the two AIM-9 clones, and has no gun. The radar isn't that good, unless you can prove otherwise? What is the PK of the PL-15, and can I see some data to prove it? China literally lies about every other metric they release to the public, yet, you'll take their propaganda about the J-20, PL-15, and PL-20 as gospel? Are you seriously retarded, or a WuMao shill?
+--- 57881307
+>>57880694
+Anon discovered iterative production and continual improvement.
+
+The C-5 Galaxy program was almost scrapped after the first entire batch was finished due to wing stress cracks.
+Refining a design after initial production isn't the end of the world.
+
+Initial J-20 blocks are still in service, remind me what changes were made and explain why they're a "shit show".
+--- 57881331
+>>57881115
+>prove the radar is good
+How about you prove that it isn't good? 
+
+PL-15E (export model) is sold as being capable of up to 145km. PL-15 (domestic model) could be slightly higher.
+
+>China lies about everything
+And America doesn't? Everyone lies.
+
+>“Upgrading the Block 20s to a combat configuration is cost-prohibitive and very time intensive,” Moore testified. “Based on the most advanced weapons that an F-22 Block 20 can carry now, it is not competitive with the [Shenyang] J-20, with the most advanced weapons the Chinese can put on it.”
+
+https://www.airandspaceforces.com/f-22-credible-9-billion-air-force/
+
+New jet is better than old jet. This isn't some crazy stretch of the imagination.
+--- 57881338
+>>57880706
+Errr the Meteor could be considered as a counter, as well as the USAF speeding up the development of the Aim-260.
+
+It was only recently that the newer Aim-120's surpassed the Aim-54 Phoenix in absolute range.
+--- 57881458
+>>57881331
+>How about you prove that it isn't good? 
+Not how it works. You and Chiner made the claim, you and Chiner prove it.
+
+>PL-15E (export model) is sold as being capable of up to 145km. PL-15 (domestic model) could be slightly higher.
+>could
+So, no evidence, then? 145km isn't great, and the AMRAAM is longer range. Especially the AIM-120D3. May I see the PL-15 hitting something at even 70 miles?
+
+>And America doesn't? Everyone lies.
+What has the US lied about, exactly? If anything, the US downplays the true capabilities of their systems.
+
+>“Upgrading the Block 20s to a combat configuration is cost-prohibitive and very time intensive,” Moore testified. “Based on the most advanced weapons that an F-22 Block 20 can carry now, it is not competitive with the [Shenyang] J-20, with the most advanced weapons the Chinese can put on it.”
+>https://www.airandspaceforces.com/f-22-credible-9-billion-air-force/
+See: >>57870252. Please educate yourself before posting.
+
+>New jet is better than old jet. This isn't some crazy stretch of the imagination.
+It is? Proof? They still use an inferior copy of a 70s US core to power the J-20 because they can't into metallurgy.
+--- 57881776
+>>57880694
+are you actually retarded? What will you say when you find out about (get spoonfed) the fucking feature rollout schedule and airframe changes in the JSF project?
+--- 57881784
+>>57881458
+>and the AMRAAM is longer range. Especially the AIM-120D3
+where is the evidence? Show me a max range AMRAAM kill.
+Mutt claim needs verification.
+--- 57881800
+>>57868061 (OP)
+translation: gibs moar money
+--- 57881804
+>>57881784
+https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40184/f-15-eagle-scores-longest-known-air-to-air-missile-shot-during-u-s-air-force-test
+Now, show me the PL-15 working. Just one test from the J-20 shooting it, please.
+--- 57881835
+>>57881804
+>https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40184/f-15-eagle-scores-longest-known-air-to-air-missile-shot-during-u-s-air-force-test
+
+This was 150km at least if not nearly 200km. And a kill vs a maneuvering object
+--- 57882248
+>>57870110
+Oh, and don't forget that J-20 is also a derivative of MiG 1.44
+--- 57882471
+>>57868061 (OP)
+>is our girl obsolete now?
+Good airframe is worthless if she lack modern sensors and network integration
+--- 57882484
+>>57882248
+and the F/A-18 is a derivative of the F-18, which is a derivative of the F-5, which is a derivative of the ADM-20 Quail, which is a derivative of the XSM-73 Goose, which is a derivative of the
+--- 57882505
+>>57882484
+Cope, seethe and mald, Chang.
+--- 57882514
+>>57869849
+Your comments would be accurate 15 years ago. Nice try.
+
+>>57870364
+>>57882248
+Delusional
+--- 57882530
+>>57882514
+--- 57882535
+>>57882514
+Watch out while shilling, an escalator might eat you if you're not careful.
+--- 57882604
+>>57882530
+This is from a comedy skit, right? There's no way the floors can collapse and move in such a manner they look like they're held together with duct tape and square panels, right?
+--- 57882621
+>>57882535
+More people dies of elevator in US than in China lol
+--- 57882629
+>>57882604
+Chinese quality.
+--- 57882705
+>>57882629
+I can understand this one since multi-level building but the other is outside where dirt is the foundation. Unless even their dirt foundation is absolute shit.
+--- 57882711
+>>57882621
+I don't believe you. Post source
+--- 57882737
+>>57882705
+Sinkholes form that exactly way: easily eroded soft foundation with a hard layer (road, concrete, etc.).
+--- 57882753
+>>57881804
+>>57881835
+>57881835
+
+The difference is that the 120D3 is in testing and not fielded in any reasonable number. And theres a reason they're developing the AIM-260. Theres just so much you can do with a legacy system.
+At the very least the PL-15 is considered spooky enough to do something about it. Worse case scenario we end up with a missile on par or better than the chinks, best case the PL-15 ends up being a paper tiger and the US ends up with the best AA missile that gets sold everywhere.
+--- 57882773
+>>57868061 (OP)
+Americans are still living in 2010 kek, the only thing they've advanced at is mass shootings and tranny rights kekw
+--- 57882795
+>>57882737
+>drives right into the hole
+Damn that's some mindless drone behavior
+--- 57882815
+>>57882753
+>The difference is that the 120D3 is in testing and not fielded in any reasonable number.
+It also is a much better missile than the PL-15. I think the base AIM-120D is better than the PL-15.
+>And theres a reason they're developing the AIM-260.
+Not because of the PL-15. The AIM-120D alone out ranges it.
+>Theres just so much you can do with a legacy system.
+Like the PL-15?
+>At the very least the PL-15 is considered spooky enough to do something about it.
+Says who?
+>Worse case scenario we end up with a missile on par or better than the chinks
+We already have one: the AIM-120D.
+>best case the PL-15 ends up being a paper tiger and the US ends up with the best AA missile that gets sold everywhere.
+So, like it is now?
+--- 57882827
+>>57882795
+That's what chinsects are, and why the WEF wants the rest of the world to be just like CCP run Chiner.
+--- 57883365
+The PLA is a performing act and not /k/
+--- 57883936
+>>57882604
+It shows nip text at the top for a second
+probably from some prank show
+--- 57884029
+>>57868061 (OP)
+probably means the bays are too small to carry the AIM 260's
+--- 57884050
+>Guys we need more money or else China will become implessive
+--- 57884094
+>>57868061 (OP)
+see, vatnigs? Thats how big boys do corruption.
+--- 57884111
+1980s
+>OH NO GUIZE WE NEED MORE MONEY THOSE SOVIETS ARE SO FAR BEYOND US IN EVERY ASPECT WE ARE SO FUCKING FUCKED
+>turns out its quite the opposite
+2023
+>OH NO GUIZE WE NEED MORE MONEY THOSE CHINKS ARE SO FAR BEYOND US IN EVERY ASPECT WE ARE SO FUCKING FUCKED
+--- 57884181
+>>57868061 (OP)
+What does it mean to keep the F-22 "credible"? The strike eagle can outperform any soviet derivative fighter in BVR combat, how can the F-22 be anything but sufficient?
+--- 57884209
+>>57868222
+Yeah, 9 billion really isn’t that much, all things considered
+--- 57884229
+>>57884111
+fuck you i like cool war machines give them more money
+--- 57884264
+>>57868061 (OP)
+>$9b
+why is it even a question then? it's literally fucking nothing
+--- 57884265
+>>57884111
+This time, it's different
+--- 57884643
+>>57884265
+Well that’s not good
+What do?
+--- 57884658
+>>57884643
+You know what must be done son.
+--- 57884718
+>>57884111
+Well yeah, you want to be far ahead enough to curbstomp the enemy, not simply attrite the enemy by the skin of your teeth
+--- 57884754
+>a whole thread of Chinese shills shrieking that there's nothing wrong with the US superiority fighter that's old enough to do MILF porn
+--- 57884811
+>>57882795
+I mean they also like to drink a lot so that might not be a sober scooterist.
+--- 57884843
+>>57870028
+>3 million a year per airframe.
+Yeah that's pretty cheap considering how expensive it is to maintain military jets, let alone jets in general.
+--- 57885278
+>>57870720
+Look at this bizarre cope propaganda saying that Chinese are one of the three elite wings of American society. It's very ham-fisted, and so salty.
+
+https://twitter.com/mssr_le_baron/status/1644188496418971648?s=46&t=c9dHL_Yh5TM4e8C5yhyVVw
+--- 57885536
+>>57885278
+I have zero idea what you're trying to say or what the Twitter gibberish is trying to say
+--- 57886579
+>>57868061 (OP)
+> Air Force insisting we have to scrap what we have so they can buy all new pew pews. Eventually.
+
+Well, this has never happened before.
+--- 57886632
+>>57878170
+>Is that why Russia and China shut the fuck up any time they are deployed within 100 miles of their shit hole countries? 
+Source? Sounds like bullshit
+--- 57886801
+>>57871396
+>And I'm not even touching on the de facto caste system implemented by the city tier regulations.
+Elaborate?
+
+>>57876446
+>a major corp chairman isn't treated the same as some random plebeian, news at 11
+--- 57886813
+>>57878170
+I thought it was because monke made a nuclear test and the misslie fizzled?
+--- 57886884
+how is it that china is supposedly catching up to us when we spend more on defense than the next 10 countries combined? the MIC racket should be burned to the ground
+--- 57887055
+>>57886884
+Purchasing power parity. Stuff's cheaper there so their money goes further.
+The US also spends on force projection while China spends on "get those carriers and AWACS/tankers off of me!" which makes the spending asymmetric.
+There's also the inherent expectations creating a double-standard: China catching up to the US doesn't mean they'd be able to Desert Storm 1991 Iraq. It means they can prevent from being Desert Stormed themselves. Which for practical purposes is all that matters,
+--- 57887094
+>>57886632
+All Xi, the CCP, and Chiner can do when the US slaps its dick on the world is seethe and cope. Seethe and cope. China's military is no match for the US military in a direct conflict. Even the CCP will admit this, hence them going with the asymmetric warfare strategy called Unrestricted Warfare written by two colonels in the People's Liberation Army (PLA), Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui to attack the US. They admit they would get steamrolled in a hot war with the US military, as the US is the sole superpower on earth with no direct peers to contest its spot. Keep coping, Dong "Brian" Tu Smol.
+--- 57887128
+>>57870767
+What you are referring to is the JL-7/8
+JF-17 is in a weird place where, it's not a copy of anything and took influence from everything.
+Super Sabre project then to an F-20 analogous then elements of the single engined Mig finally to what is now the pencil shaped JF-17
+--- 57887265
+>>57887055
+>Purchasing power parity. Stuff's cheaper there so their money goes further.
+How is that when estimates put the J-20 at $120 million USD per unit costs? The J-20 costs $40 million more than an F-35A. All while having shittier engines, radar, avionics, sensors, sensor fusion, stealth, and IR signature.
+--- 57887312
+>>57887265
+Kek. I wouldn't be surprised if their MIC extortion is magnitudes worse than ours.
+--- 57887467
+>>57880628
+
+Anon, if this was for black projects, it would be a lot more than only $9 Billion. $9 Billion isn't a lot of money to a military that spends over $750 Billion per year, especially considering how valuable the F-22 is, that's cheap.
+--- 57887600
+What's the likelihood of USAF bankrupting the entire military when it builds ONE (and only one) fighter that can destroy the rest of the world by itself.
+
+Dare I say the Gundam of fighter planes.
+--- 57887670
+>>57884754
+oldest f-22 isn't even 30 years old yet
+--- 57887684
+>>57887265
+The F-35 is produced in a larger scale.
+Defense spending vs unitary costs are totally different metrics.
+--- 57887711
+>>57882629
+Honestly props to that dude for reacting that fast. Most people would have ate shit in that situation.
+--- 57887975
+>>57887684
+It proves that PPP is a shit metric to go by, and that the J-20 costs $40 million USD more than an F-35A while being inferior in every way to it. That's not adding in the R&D, and IP theft used to produce it along with paying the Israelis for helping make the AESA radar for it. If it's so much cheaper to design, produce, and build in Chiner thanks to PPP, why, then, can they not mass produce them like the F-35? Makes zero sense to me, no?
+--- 57888004
+>>57887975
+PPP is a good measure for living standards in a city but a really bad measure for the economic power of a country. Rent and food are cheaper in Uganda but fighter jets stay the same price.
+--- 57888022
+>>57888004
+the more valuable and high tech something gets, the less the price changes due to purchasing power
+turns out anything that takes western wages to make requires western prices
+--- 57888139
+>>57886884
+They don't have to spend money chasing down dead ends and can instead just try to copy what the US has already proven to be successful. Of course, this means they lack of lot of knowledge of why things work and why they don't, which leads to funny moments like that video of the Chinese ship with the bulkhead that swings in instead of out, but does mean cost savings in the meantime.
+--- 57888310
+>>57887265
+Sure J-20 is worse than F-35 only retards disagree. 
+
+The thing is chinks went from being 3rd world shithole with african living standards to being the second country capable of making working 5th gen planes that are just a bit worse in what 20 years? 
+
+They also have more people and manufacturing capability than entire West combined.
+--- 57890660
+>>57869999
+>it can be retired after that
+
+Sold to Australia and NATO members, assuming they don't get NGAD
+--- 57891186
+>>57886801
+nta but you can figure out some interesting things about the level of nepotism, classism, and dystopian fuckery that goes on in china through their light novels.
+Its easy to joke that they took Russian corruption and sought to surpass it by mixing it with their complex social structure.
+Have a run in with the police?
+All that ever seems to matter is who is richer and has more connections.
+How you are doing at school is part of that, as is how you dress and how pretty you are.
+To them that is normal.
+And their government monitors their LN and cracks down on things THEY think makes them look bad.
+So its telling that they see NOTHING wrong with their society being depicted this way.
+Its utterly normal to them.

k/57869330.txt

@@ -525,3 +525,174 @@ Assasination of Ru ambassador Andrey Kharlov by Turkish police officer. Missed t
 --- 57878597
 >>57870560
 did you watch OP's video my nigga
+--- 57880604
+>>57874932
+Yeah, he was the only thing keeping JSP from falling apart, but that was mostly delaying the inevitable. But at least Yasushi Nagao got 1960 World Press Photo of the Year award and the 1961 Pulitzer Prize
+--- 57882273
+>>57874497
+>WHY GARY? WHY?
+--- 57884687
+>>57878367
+>>57874313
+Such a surreal moment. The photos and memes coming out of this were crazy.
+--- 57885285
+>>57869848
+Collect
+--- 57885306
+>>57869848
+>Chinese islands
+No such thing exists.
+--- 57885500
+>>57869848
+>Then Abe and his party took control
+
+What? 20 years ago? At least that long for Abe. But LDP had been running the show for almost the entire post war period.
+--- 57886757
+>>57869640
+--- 57886833
+>>57873527
+That's still fucking vomit you retard
+--- 57886923
+>>57878166
+At the time of the murder, Yamaguchi had a note in his pocket that read: 
+
+You, Inejirō Asanuma, are making Japan communist. I have no resentment towards you personally as a person with a leadership role in the socialist party but to your onus, your outbursts when you visited China, and the responsibility you bear for the intrusion into the National Diet. I cannot let go of your unforgivable actions. I shall hereby be the one to bring down your divine punishment.
+
+Based
+--- 57886997
+>>57886923
+>and the responsibility you bear for the intrusion into the National Diet
+/fit/pilled, keep the gains coming
+--- 57887135
+>>57871185
+Youre absolutely right. It should be 25. Also that should be the voting age as well. Also if you don't own property you shouldn't be allowed to vote on issues that would raise property taxes.
+--- 57887581
+>>57872561
+why does dude behind killer have 3 legs?
+--- 57887597
+>>57886757
+>entropy btfo
+--- 57887618
+considering they just had a former PM get shot under their watch less than a year ago i imagine they're all hyper alert.
+--- 57887649
+>>57869640
+>oh, look at me, I leave the house and have a job
+--- 57887698
+>>57869614
+It works. White people woudn't understand, all they're capable of is writing angry comments on the internet.
+--- 57887714
+>>57886757
+This has to be the result of a poltergeist
+--- 57887765
+>>57887698
+Meanwhile a former president is being tried for inciting Americans to go to DC and make congress shit piss and cum their pants in fear
+>inb4 you bring up the old lady who was shot by glowniggers
+Yeah and a pig was trampled to death, so I consider it an even trade
+--- 57887851
+>>57887698
+>It works. brown people woudn't understand, all they're capable of is writing angry comments on the internet.
+ftfy
+--- 57887953
+>>57869614
+political violence by small groups/individuals has a long history in Japan probably for various historical and cultural reasons weebs can complain about
+--- 57888067
+>>57872653
+So I have long held that Booth; who was a Jew–killed Lincoln on behalf of traitors in the north and bankers in Europe. Not on behalf of the Confederacy. 
+I also believe that he had help from within Lincoln's inner circle. 
+There is no way you can get me believe that you can fight the biggest conflict in history to that date, and expect that nobody is going to try and sneak up on the leadership of one of those forces.
+Maybe Abe was the same
+--- 57888328
+>>57887597
+Maxwell's Demon: "We do a little trolling"
+--- 57889125
+>>57869810
+You'd be surprised how being truthful to an absurd degree gets you out of a lot of things.
+Like I took a trip to Japan and brought back probably $3000 worth of anime/hentai, declared everything, calculated the conversion rate ahead of time and got the same amount as the custom's officer did, while asking if the box of Calorie Mates I also got would be considered a restricted item since it was food.
+I was well over the duty limit and expected to have to pay money, but the custom officer just said I didn't have to pay anything and I saved several hundred dollars.
+--- 57889245
+>>57878166
+It boils down to the kid being butthurt, along with the rest of the far right ultra nationalists over the fact that Asanuma got the right wing PM at the time, Nobusuke Kishi, to resign as a result of the Anpo protests against the 1960 U.S.-Japan Security Treaty.
+--- 57889281
+>>57888067
+Based non relevant question answerer
+--- 57889306
+>>57887765
+Coup d'etats are generally frowned upon when done by a guy who wants to install himself as a dictator. Although the aftermath does show how America is uniquely corrupt because in just about any other country, Trump would already have been prosecuted for his both his soft coup plots leading up to Jan 6th, and the the coup on Jan 6th.
+--- 57889312
+>>57889125
+Based, that reminds me of a time I bought a "12 pack of Warsteiners" not realizing it was one of the shipping boxes for the pint bottles. 
+So I bought a crate of pint bottles for the price of a 12 pack of normal 12.7 oz beers. I took the receipt to customer service the next day, and it was manned by a teenager who looked like he couldn't give less of a shit and he told me to just take em, I still felt bad, but I didn't feel like I should press the manner lest he get in trouble too.
+--- 57889349
+>>57872561
+reminder
+--- 57889355
+>>57885285
+Severely underrated post.
+--- 57889374
+>>57889306
+>Coup d'etats
+Lmfao
+He just tweeted (as he always does) for them to gather in DC, and they decided to get rowdy (remember that his twitter was silenced immediately after)
+If it was an actual coup, there'd be a lot of (justifiably) dead congressmen, and people like AOC would actually be able to truthfully claim they got PTSD from it lol
+--- 57889407
+>>57889349
+>h-he wasn't even that popular
+Lmao, commie cope, also >>57875004
+--- 57889411
+>>57889374
+Incompetently executed coups are still coups, ask the Japanese.
+--- 57889444
+>>57889411
+>it's a coup because I said so
+Lol
+--- 57889468
+>>57889444
+The group that studies coups says it was a coup. 
+https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project/statement_dec.15.2022
+What you're doing is called a cope d'etat.
+--- 57889517
+>>57889407
+>j-j-japan was totally gonna get taken over by the commies guys!!!!!
+underage
+--- 57889525
+>>57889517
+Whomst've are you quoting?
+--- 57889533
+>>57889468
+>The group that studies coups
+--- 57889538
+>>57889525
+>Whomst've
+ukraine tourist
+--- 57889542
+>>57889533
+>Still doing a cope d'etat
+--- 57889545
+>>57889538
+>being this new
+--- 57889549
+>>57889538
+Concession've accepted've
+--- 57889664
+>>57889374
+That shit really does need to happen more often, politicians need to be constantly fearing for their lives. These fuckstains need to be reminded who they work for.
+--- 57889962
+>>57873527
+Scat porn is all fake, its usually chocolate with peanut butter mixed up in a blender, its why its all weirdly creamy and orange.
+--- 57890134
+>>57869916
+>Ridge
+He deserves to rot in prison.
+--- 57890174
+>>57869848
+>chinese islands
+--- 57890191
+>>57869942
+That could have been poop, you wacko.
+--- 57890274
+>>57887698
+what were the assassins goals
+--- 57890884
+>>57875751
+Why the fuck would that be better? They escaped unharmed. Bodyguards aren't suicidal.
+It would've been best to just kick the thing since that would get it gone faster than hitting it with the briefcase.

k/57870499.txt

@@ -627,15 +627,6 @@ France sent a lot more than that.
 The air space thing was due to Britain not planning in advance and it thus being faster to take an indirect route than asking Germany for permission to ship arms over German air space every time. If anything that's a sign of bad british beaurocracy/logistics.
 
 Honestly surprised you didn't bring up that bullshit about Germany only sending helmets, it's about on the same level as everything else you wrote. You've presumably been on /k/ for about a year at least even if you're a war tourist, how did you manage to still believe that?
---- 57879413
->>57871937
->France partners up with Britain
->projects end up fine
->France partners up with Italy
->projects end up fine
->France partners up with Germany
->total shitshow
-have you thought that maybe krautniggers are the problem? Germany is that one country that thinks nuclear should go before coal and has been keeping Putin's leash around Europe's neck just ti save their dying industry (which is going to China anyway LMAO)
 --- 57879452
 >>57879413
 >/pol/posting nonsense like this on /k/
@@ -655,3 +646,498 @@ also funny you're mentioning Putin when France literally sold thermals to Russia
 --- 57879537
 >>57879526
 I'd bet my left nut sack that the guy isn't French.
+--- 57879887
+>>57879537
+/k/ needs flags
+--- 57879946
+>joint venture between any country and Germany 
+>Germans immediately want to scale down and cut costs to save shekels
+>French want the best so they don't back down
+>stalemate 
+yeah, sounds about right
+--- 57879965
+>>57879946
+>joint venture between any country and France
+>France wants the entire project to be done by French companies and paid for by the others
+>others tell them to fuck off
+>frogfaggots and their cocksuckers like (You) screech
+--- 57880013
+>>57879965
+I am willing to bet my arm that they forced the French to adopt that shitty main rifle because of joint ventures.
+--- 57880034
+>>57879946
+>>57880013
+Obvious falseflag.
+I don't even like frogs and have actively disliked every single surrendernigger I've ever had to interact with and you still couldn't fool me.
+--- 57880062
+>>57880034
+No, they had everything down to even reusing Renault factories.
+--- 57880158
+>>57880013
+oh yeah, private VW trying to sell cars in Russia is totally the same as the French state selling Russia thermals for tanks and helicopter carriers
+
+and France bought the HK416 bc it's the best rifle as proven by SOF all around the world, quit coping you stinking cheesenigger
+--- 57880185
+>>57872955
+>Well, that's just not nice.
+No. That is just cooperation with French. For French a partner means client. Cooperation is you buying French shit and France getting all the economic and industrial benefits. You getting none. 
+
+>>57873025
+You carrier is a LHD with a fucking ramp. It isn't big enough for Rafale or navalized Eurofighter.
+>>57873320
+>And that's why USA businesses keep acting entitled and saying it's a done deal.
+FCAS is not going to be ready when your Hornets have no flight hours left. For Hornet replacement realistic alternatives are F-35 or more Eurofighters. Rafale brings pretty much nothing to table that Eurofighter doesn't provide, so we can safely count that out. For Harrier replacement, it is either loss of fixed wing carrier aviation or F-35.
+--- 57880217
+>>57880158
+>private VW trying to sell cars in Russia
+by occupying Renault factories in a sanctioned state.
+>French state selling Russia thermals for tanks and helicopter carriers
+Thales isn't a state company.
+So you are basically saying "yeah, when people I like do something, based, when people I don't like do the same, cringe".
+>HK416 bc it's the best rifle as proven by SOF
+The VHS-2 and the HK were almost identical but the decision to adopt the HK rifle was political, per French state.
+--- 57880291
+>>57880217
+all weapon sales require the consent of the state you dumb nigger
+--- 57880402
+>>57880291
+You know what I mean.
+--- 57880427
+>>57871937
+Reminder France is actually the one pushing for technological improving inside the tank meanwhile Germany just want a new leopard that they can mass produce. 
+And that's why the leclerc is superior to the leopard
+--- 57880507
+>>57880402
+yes and you're wrong
+--- 57880556
+>>57880427
+Ok
+--- 57880664
+>>57880556
+I can draw too!
+--- 57880718
+>>57870499 (OP)
+>>57870512
+>>57870526
+WHat happens if I shoot some HE shell at the turret? Won't that knock out all the sensors and bells and whistles?
+--- 57880746
+>>57880718
+You can try.
+--- 57881064
+why didn't krauts/frogs want pooland to join the project? their economy might be mediocre but they have plenty of people and plenty of reason to want a great tank in a reasonable time-frame
+instead they now fucked off to buy abrams and south korean gear (of all things)
+--- 57881192
+>>57873697
+>not like germany is doing too hot either
+germany has made so many small blunders in the last 20 years that there's a lot of cracks showing up nowadays
+take the energy. shutting down nuclear because muh environment we'll just use russian oil and renewables, we're good at those
+-> hoooo there's a lot of money opening turnkey factories in china, let's gooooo ez money 
+-> oh shit chinks stole all our shit, better just, uh, give up? 
+-> oh shit we need coal, the worst kind of coal 
+-> oh shit why is everything so expensive
+(also where's all the fucking money from all those factories we outsourced to china, we wuz supposed to be rich, not outcompeted with our own stolen tech)
+
+They need a good kick in the dick but instead things just slowly degrade over time and those louses do nothing but bitch and watch the footy.
+Granted, frogs being frogs and poles having abysmal populist government that screeches about them all day to garner political support at home (like bongs before) is a pain, but they're not even trying
+--- 57881268
+>>57881064
+See >>57878940
+>>57872896
+Tldnr: Poland is the fat blue haired girl of the arms industry.
+--- 57881295
+>>57870499 (OP)
+>>57870512
+>>57870526
+You can tell we live the future because actual hardware is starting to look like RTS units.
+--- 57881318
+>>57870499 (OP)
+it smells like amx in here
+--- 57881339
+>>57874640
+>If German and France reject to defend Poland, USA won't do that too
+u wot
+more like USA decides whether krauts and frogs "decide" to defend poland or not
+NATO does as USA says
+--- 57881352
+>>57870986
+>German Industry: "I AM THE BEST, GIVE ME THE MONEY!!!"
+Undeniable fact
+>French Industry: " NO, I AM THE BEST, GIVE ME THE MONEY!!!"
+Lmao. It's like the the guy who is the poorest and did nothing demanding the flute
+--- 57881386
+>>57881339
+>NATO does as USA says
+That didn't work out in the middle east.
+--- 57881388
+>>57873025
+>Naval Eurofighters 
+The Luftwaffe is working on them too because of an US request or something
+--- 57881403
+>>57881386
+because it was some arab shithole and us wasn't interested in investing more social capital in getting others there, especially since they didn't really need them
+I'm fairly sure european countries care more about countries that are in europe and a member of their little bureaucratic nightmare
+--- 57881426
+>>57873025
+Isn't Morocco close enough that jets could take off from Spain?
+--- 57881470
+>>57881388
+Source? First time I'm hearing of this.
+--- 57881550
+>>57881470
+It’s just a rumor but there will be a squadron that’s supposed to be able to operate on American CVs. This came up because of the indo pacific operation last or this year iirc. It’s an offer by the US navy
+--- 57881559
+>>57881388
+Imagine falling for an April fools joke this obvious.
+--- 57881576
+>>57881550
+Very interesting, but seems like a waste of money desu.
+--- 57881588
+>>57881352
+>German industry
+Reminder the last jet fighter designed and built in Germany by German engineers to come off the factory floor did so in 1945.
+--- 57881670
+>>57881588
+The EF Typhoon came out in 1945? Damn
+--- 57881678
+>>57881670
+>designed by German engineers
+Lmao.
+Thanks for proving my point.
+--- 57881690
+>>57881678
+You are welcome.
+--- 57881696
+>>57870923
+>Why are French-German projects always so slow
+They both speak different languages
+--- 57881714
+>>57881386
+It did right up until German weapons started melting
+--- 57881829
+Why are Franco-German projects so shit? What are the odds on FCAS collapsing?
+--- 57881914
+>>57873363
+Good for Spain. Relying on foreign countries is not good. Air power is important.
+--- 57881932
+>>57881670
+Friendly reminder that Germany was not involved in EAP.
+--- 57882117
+>>57872850
+>I wonder why Poland was not allowed to participate in this project?
+Polish MIC isn't completely worthless but it's pretty underwhelming for anything more complex than a rifle or mayyybe an IFV (maybe).
+If they were taken it'd be more of a charity case, but Germany doesn't want somebody that permanently shits on them to score political points and France couldn't possibly give less of a shit about Poland and prefers them as weak as possible and only used for cheap labor.
+Hence being US lapdog for security and looking for alternatives abroad when it comes to tech, like Korea
+--- 57882301
+>>57881932
+Thanks
+--- 57882668
+>>57881352
+Germany has laughable aerospace and naval industries compared to France
+--- 57883076
+A lot of weird cope here.
+ 
+>muh politicians
+>Muh lack of competence
+>Koreans are... le bad 
+
+Does KMW salesmen really believe that their patronising attitude didn't made them lost a market for 1200 tanks?
+--- 57883508
+>>57883076
+there isn't a single timeline where Poland would have bought 1200 Leos
+--- 57883535
+>>57879336
+Literally you have wrong information. Germany did not commit to sending weapons in a meaningful amount until America strong armed the fuck out of Germany. ALso Geramny hasn't contributed in a meaningful way yet just promised to. Retarded faggot ESL kid lol. Try to get a better grasp of things.
+--- 57883559
+>>57870499 (OP)
+Is there a name for the shade of brown?
+--- 57883582
+>>57879887
+Then we wouldnt get the massive butthurt faggot no guns no nods no gear trolls who never reveal their pathetic country as part of their troll and these gay political discussions about Ukraine would be made worse by emboldened euros with their faggot no guns flags waving around. This is an American board and polite gun owning euros can chime in when necessary.
+--- 57883588
+>>57870499 (OP)
+Who even needs it? Just produce the kf51 panther en masse
+--- 57883650
+>>57883559
+>brown
+That's green
+--- 57883663
+>>57883650
+I meant the shade of brown on the tank in OP's post
+--- 57883677
+so what happened to the US tank replacement program DLP?
+--- 57883724
+>>57883559
+>>57883663
+Looks like RAL7013, it's a very common shade of brown/green in European militaries.
+--- 57883735
+>>57883724
+Brown/gray, I mean.
+--- 57883822
+>>57870499 (OP)
+get fucked krauts i cant wait for germany to become a turkish colony id rather kill myself than have to use another of their shitty designs
+>>57872269
+based pajeet i have to work wiht an hk416 everyday and it makes me suicidal (also hurts my eyes, one of the worst looking ar)
+>>57872252
+>Leopard 2 is much more successful than Leclerc anyway.
+lmao seethe and dilate faggot
+>>57872293
+turns out france only bought it cuz they were sucking merkel hard time and cuz the president got a fat stack of money in exchange of this decision
+everyone in the french army hates it compared to the famas, beside the comfort of being more practical to some extent the famas feels way better in every other way
+>>57871335
+post for 2008 btfo retard nowadays we got about 400 leclercs and 60% of it operational and i dont think we got any lef tin liban
+sold a few to UAE and they performed fine
+
+yall are coping so hard and im so happy this is failing
+Nexter ascalon on the Leclerc lets fucking gooooo
+--- 57883851
+>>57873211
+>So if a Franco-Polish conflict ever were to occur
+
+What are you smoking
+--- 57883887
+>>57883851
+reverse anschluss, somebody has to defend krauts
+--- 57883896
+>>57870642
+>because France is a shit partner
+
+>be bing bong
+>enter a AJAX
+>go deaf
+
+It's peak bong bing engineering
+--- 57883900
+>>57883896
+>>enter a AJAX
+-50 rubble
+--- 57884003
+>>57870808
+Nope. Even omitting the fact it's not finished project, and Germany industry can't provide it in numbers (Norway ordered 53 Leo2A7 with delivery ending in 2031). It would be just expensive and non standard platform
+--- 57884176
+>>57882668
+>>57881588
+And how exactly are jet fighters related to tanks?
+--- 57884402
+>>57883677
+Decision was supposed to be made last month, though apparently it was contentious and the requirements board couldn't come to a consensus.
+--- 57884447
+>>57883896
+The AJAX is a Spanish-Bong cooperative venture.
+Both known for producing world class machinery and weapons!
+Just look at how strong their automobile industries are! And they have amazing reputations for solid engineering and quality manufacturing!
+--- 57884581
+>>57881388
+Cable arresting gear is pretty standard solution even outside of naval fighters. It usually just isn't beefy enough for daily use, but it is alternative to drag chute.
+--- 57885063
+>>57881403
+More like America had no way to pressure Europe. 
+Freedom fries were the only thing they had going for themselves.
+--- 57885091
+>>57883535
+Lmao
+Only America sent more actual weaponry, anon.
+--- 57885106
+>>57883822
+kys
+--- 57885124
+>>57883851
+I'm not the one who thought it was possible,I responded to somebody who did. Frogs barely acknowledge the existence of Poland.
+--- 57885138
+>>57884003
+The german industry produces the most tanks in the developed world by far and the norwegian deliveries will only take 2 years. 2031 is the date for the support vehicles and so on.
+But I'm sure you know that and just tried lying about it.
+--- 57885218
+>>57883822
+
+i love the sound of french seething after they failed to steal german know how
+--- 57885265
+>>57885218
+Reminds me of an older colleague of mine who visited France and found a lathe they stole after WWI as "reparations" still being used there in a factory.
+Not sure if that's a statement on the quality of old German tools or new French tools though.
+--- 57885310
+>>57885265
+thats called french budget welcome on board here on the right you can see our 60's GB8KT being repurposed and still used to this day
+on the left you can see the radios from the 80's that weight a dead donkey and we still use daily
+if you look at it closer you can see the same old rusty vabs being repainted to look (and only look) brand new since the new griffons have been delayed yet again for 2030
+>>57885218
+cope harder nignog
+germany sure is good at trying to design 4000 different vehicles a year no ones ever gonna use anyway and only countries with a virtually useless military is gonna buy cuz they got no industry
+--- 57885337
+>>57885218
+they don't want to steal know how, they want to steal German money for their own shitty projects bc they're cheap niggers
+--- 57885355
+>>57885310
+>no ones ever gonna use anyway and only countries with a virtually useless military is gonna buy cuz they got no industry
+post Leclerc operators
+--- 57885422
+>>57885355
+How does the boxer map look like?
+--- 57885423
+>>57885355
+dman thats the map of leos im assuming
+ok now lets see which countries actually used it
+>it exports so it's obviously the best
+lmao aight bro on that map less than 5 countries actually used it, ukies dont count since evryone is throwing everything they have at them
+--- 57885425
+>>57881426
+And that's precisely why Spain is making programs to update the Harrier well past the point where it's outdated as fuck. (Seriously) Juan Carlos I and its planes only exist for dick measuring and maybe beating pirates in NATO missions. Which is also why seeing naval F-35s there is the only conceivable appearance of the plane. But even then:
+>>57880185
+Did I mention the Hornets? No. Wanna know why? Because they WILL be replaced by Eurofighters. This isn't speculation. The Halcón project will replace all of them with Eurofighters, this is already sealed. The only non-Eurofighter plane Spain is considering buying is the Harrier replacement. And even then, during the Halcón 2 program to be signed in 2023 they're only considering buying one single unit of a SVTOL fighter for the plane carrier as a stopgap until FCAS. This is the only point at which Spain may add 1 single F-35. And yet, when Cantera was told about the obvious fact the F-35 is the only existing plane which can fill that role, she said:
+> "El F-35 Bravo es un avión puramente estadounidense. Tal compra no sirve para Europa. La autonomía estratégica es importante no solo (...)"
+Which roughly translates as
+>"FUCK NO, FUCK USA, GET FUCKED."
+And then she went on a weird tirade about inovation and new technologies. Same thing that happened when USA businesses in 2021 anounced we were totally gonna buy 50 F-35-B planes. Every time this convo starts Spain chimps the fuck out. This has left us with no clear answer as to wtf is Spain even supposed to do. Speculations are:
+1-Cantera is just lying because she knows whoever breaks that news is politically dead. (Seriously.)
+2-Given that Spain has beaten the drum of making naval eurofighters multiple times, the money is indeed for a naval eurofighter. Even if it makes no sense and they have to butcher it into being useless.
+3-They have made a hush deal with some other european nation (most likely candidate being France) for adapting one of their planes.
+--- 57885462
+>>57885422
+likely to further expand
+guess who uses the VBCI besides France
+hint: nobody
+>>57885423
+weak cope
+--- 57885553
+>>57885425
+You were sperging out yesterday about how some pointless, irrelevant war in the 1950s totally embittered the Spanish airforce to US aircraft, even though they continued buying them for decades. Aviation Week already confirmed the F-35 purchase, it's over.
+--- 57885580
+>>57885553
+>it's over.
+no, it's a 100% reasonable and good decision for Spain, he's just an autist.
+--- 57885586
+>>57882668
+Except those stats were only so good because France was taking over Russian sales (and specially sales to Russia) post 2014 and specially on the very noticeable 2018 peak. And yet if you check further, French arms industry is now in serious issues, having fallen since said peak, and specially in 2020, past which it has been surpassed not only by Germany, but also China, Italy, Spain, South Korea and possibly funniest, Netherlands.
+Bitch since Putin couldn't keep bankrolling your egotrips your industry is so weak its getting beaten by a bunch of tulip munching potheads in a country a fourth your size. Germany may brag a tad too much but compared to you they're god damned saints.
+--- 57885624
+>>57885553
+Hmmm lets actually read what aviation week said:
+>Spain is set to acquire additional Eurofighters and an unnamed fifth-generation fighter–likely the F-35–as part of a new program to replace the country’s aging McDonnell Douglas EF-18 Hornets. 
+
+The Halcon 2 program will acquire 25 Eurofighters and later a fifth-generation fighter, says Revista de Aeronautica y Astronautica, the Spanish Air Force’s in-house publication.
+https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/spain-planning-phased-fighter-acquisition
+Ah... so it says exactly what I said. Yet you claim I'm the autist. Have you considered using a mirror.
+--- 57885678
+>>57885624
+It says they're getting the F-35 to replace part of the F-18s, which is exactly what you said wouldn't happen.
+--- 57885684
+>>57870499 (OP)
+What current next gen things is deutchistan actually even working on lmao? Nothing?
+--- 57885729
+>>57885684
+Your mom, the next gen whore.
+--- 57885739
+>>57885729
+So nothing
+--- 57885740
+>>57885586
+>dutch supremacy 
+Kek
+The country is cute as an idea, but it makes me want to annex them. Is that how hollywood execs (jewish (derogatory)) feel around children?
+--- 57885785
+>>57885678
+Ok let me put keywords in caps see if you can get it that way:
+It says AT A LATER DATE they're getting AND UNNAMED FIFTH GEN FIGHTER (LIKELY f-35, meaning the F-35 mention is purely an american press speculation, not a spanish anouncement.) through the Halcón 2 program which is still being debated. And as I mentioned when Spain was asked after this was published, Cantera's (the spokeperson) response was, and I quote:
+>"El F-35 Bravo es un avión puramente estadounidense. Tal compra no sirve para Europa. La autonomía estratégica es importante no solo (...)"
+Or in other words, NO.
+Furthermore as I mentioned the F-18s will be replaced part through Halcón 1 (which will get only eurofighters) and the other half through the 25 eurofighters in Halcón 2. The fifth gen fighter is only considered for SVTOL, something Aviation Week doesn't mention but the article they're quoting does.
+When your sources are a single paragraph long's summary of another source, you should try reading their source. F-35s aren't even considered as replacement for the F-18s. That's why only the F-35B is even mentioned as an option on the press (and not the original article.) Try some reading comprehension.
+--- 57885851
+>>57885785
+I think I'll take AviationWeek over "guy who thinks Spain vowed to never buy US aircraft again right before they bought the F-4"
+--- 57885924
+>>57885851
+And you'll take their speculation over both the official spanish air force document and the official response by their spokesperson to those articles too, apparently.
+You do you, buddy.
+--- 57885957
+>>57885851
+>>57885924
+Lel rekt
+--- 57885974
+>>57885462
+yeah call me when any of those countries projects as much as france lately
+--- 57886019
+>>57884447
+>they have amazing reputations for solid engineering and quality manufacturing
+Yes actually
+--- 57886086
+>>57870499 (OP)
+I have to work with frogs semi-regularly.
+They are the most stubborn about the dumbest even when they are obviously wrong but always do the
+>let me hear your opinion honhonhon
+First. So you list options on what could be done and they just keep saying no unless you guess what THEY wanted to do all along, wasting everybody's fucking time and if you ask them they sometimes pretend they're not sure.
+At the end they'll insist on their opinion for the most retarded reasons imaginable so you either have to out rank them, get around them or accept that you'll deliver a sub-par product because they wanted some retarded shit in there they came up with.
+The pay is a bit over 100 bucks an hour when I work with the frogs but I'm genuinely considering to quit over this shit, it's just not worth it to work with these retards and they seem completely unable to learn when faced with customer feedback which ends up pointing out the exact shit I mentioned half a year before.
+FUCK
+Is that normal there or did I just get a couple of genuine autists? That shit weighs on me, especially when they come with stuff they need help with and then just ignore the clear solutions I offer because they'd rather wait a month for customer support to get back at them via fucking email.
+Why do they even ask then?
+--- 57886093
+>>57885974
+Project what? Getting kicked out by your own colony?
+--- 57886145
+>>57886086
+I dealt with frogs too, can confirm, this is 100% how the ones I dealt with were. Even worse, I was supposed to be their guide and translator, but whenever I tried to explain to them how to file shit the right way they would do that. Like fuck I don't care how bureaucracy works in france these are legal documents and this is not france either you file them like the template says or you'll just get a rejection you dumbfuck! God damn. Wtf is wrong with these people. So yeah either we're dealing with the same batch or the entire country is just full of idiots. Never again, never again.
+--- 57886390
+>>57886145
+Fuck that, I'll demand that somebody else handles them, I don't care enough about the bonus, if my boss refuses I'll start applying elsewhere and quit ASAP.
+It's just not worth it, makes me feel like playing Dota with retards did 13 years ago when I was a teenager. Getting angry at strangers is dumb as fuck.
+Fuck them.
+--- 57886937
+>>57886093
+read the news, france said they were going out of maly cuz it was going nowhere and the govt was being a pain in the ass, the next day malis govt said they were kicking france out
+and now theyre drowning in shit
+--- 57888938
+Man, why the fuck europeans are so incompetent with modern tech? Even indians seem to be more competent than them.
+--- 57889787
+>>57888938
+>Even indians seem to be more competent than them
+Indians don't have any modern technology, pajeet.
+--- 57890163
+>>57886019
+No. The Bongs keep bragging about that, but the only people who think bong engineering is in any way respected are the bongs themselves.
+Bongistan hasn't been an engineering powerhouse since the 19th century.
+--- 57890190
+>>57870512
+does it have enough turrets?
+--- 57890207
+>>57872480
+>>57872558
+it does look a lot like the Jaguars turret
+--- 57890255
+>>57890163
+Any examples because when I think of their stuff it's usually pretty good.
+--- 57891362
+>>57873604
+>>57873819
+Tempest and GCAP are two different projects. Japan had to sign agreements with both Italy and Britain when the swap to GCAP happened. As such Sweden just didn't renew their membership on the new project. Regardless, Sweden was only interested in the loyal wingman of the program and wanted to integrate the final product into their Gripens.
+--- 57891388
+frogs have a truly awful middle managerial classes that make everything ineffective as hell
+--- 57891403
+>>57885425
+>(Seriously) Juan Carlos I and its planes only exist for dick measuring and maybe beating pirates in NATO missions
+blowing up invading boats of human smugglers, uh, refugees is a valid use case. carlos is a bit of an overkill for it tho
+--- 57891445
+>>57891403
+Personally I prefer small arms in their floatation device so the killer whales can get their meals.
+--- 57891456
+>>57891445
+huh, til
+--- 57891457
+>>57890255
+NTA but all of their tanks except one.
+--- 57891471
+>>57880718
+nah thats why theyre so expensive, fags will be like "oh you can buy second gen french optics on the open market for cheap" but they arent ruggedized for actual combat conditions etc. and MBT optics are
+--- 57891533
+>>57891457
+From what I recall the challenger is a pretty good tank, missing more modern upgrades like APS sure.
+--- 57891592
+>>57891456
+Yeah, and they've been attacking small boats.
+--- 57891603
+>>57891533
+Wasn't good when it came out and was tested in different trials and hasn't become good since so why would it be good?
+It's claim to fame is being able to tank shitty RPGs shot by sandnogs which AFVs can do nowadays.
+--- 57891613
+>>57891603
+>RPGs
+Where'd that S come from?

k/57870929.txt

@@ -694,3 +694,173 @@ france was literally the only user because they needed everything they could get
 they trialed them, found they werent worth the effort, and quietly scrapped them
 the panzer IV literally saw more action than the panther after a few were sold to syria and then got blow up by M50 shermans
 the hetzer was used more than the panther was, with a few built post war
+--- 57880416
+>>57879628
+>Trialled them
+French used the Panther for a few years akshually in 2 regiments
+France is the exception because they wanted to restart their whole tank industry after sitting out the war and shitting the ARL44 as a stop gap which is why their AMX50 programme takes inspiration from the German designs, like the overlapping wheels and engine.
+Even then the AMX50 programme screeched to a halt when French dreams of selling it to Europeans were dashed by the Americans dumping M47s on everybody including the themselves.
+>Panzer IV
+Czechs were contracted to support the Syrian Panzer IVs like refurbishing engines and installing adapters for the 12.7mm dshka
+--- 57880683
+>>57880416
+>only one user even interested in panthers
+>other german vehicles found a home somwhere yet the panther remained mothballed
+almost like it wasnt worth the time and effort to use
+--- 57880868
+>>57870929 (OP)
+It doesnt even look ahead of its time.
+--- 57880903
+>>57880683
+Yea, because the Czechs still had facilities to support the Panzer IV and Jagdpanzer 38t, not the Panther, those were all in Germany and Germany wouldnt start to develop any heavy military equipment until the 50s, whilst the Czechs maintained their heavy industry in the immediate post war.
+--- 57880910
+>>57873642
+If they had a 30 year gap in tech they would've won the war
+--- 57881001
+>>57871205
+Organic Control was a long US program to weaponize pigeons that lasted from the entry of the US in the war to 1953. 
+Precisely because despite working on it since the 30's and even with the capture of german systems as early as Anzio, they couldn't really figure out complex guidance systems so they kept the pigeons as an alternative system.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP1hJLepOhw [Embed]
+--- 57881099
+>>57873132
+>Lend leases Soviets
+>"Oops tee hee tally hoo ;^), we are off to become Pakistan 2.0 chaps!"
+--- 57881109
+>>57870995
+>he doesn't know about gravity technology
+--- 57881182
+>>57870929 (OP)
+>tanks that look 30 years ahead of their time
+The box medium tanks or the autistic heavy tanks that literally no one used afterwards?
+--- 57881214
+>>57870929 (OP)
+>>planes that look 30 years ahead of their time
+
+The allies had better, pushing half baked ideas into service isn't a sign of capability. 
+
+>tanks that look 30 years ahead of their time
+You think a king tiger stood a chance against a tank from the 1970s despite the fact it couldn't reliably move under it's own power? 
+
+>small arms that look 30 years ahead of their time
+you should already get the idea
+--- 57883808
+>>57871187
+
+Partially the massive superiority complex and partially the massive fuddlore that germans keep bringing up when the StG or the Horten being basically just as good as the m16,ak47 and B2 respectively.
+
+Take OPs statement for example: At worst, all german accomplishments were superseded by allied developments by 1949, at best the allies had similar technologies in place at the same time.
+--- 57883814
+>>57871898
+Wouldnt the Hewitt-Sperry Automatic Airplane be the first true drone munition?
+--- 57885304
+Thought someone would have posted this
+--- 57885370
+>>57870929 (OP)
+Germans are superior, easy as that
+that's why jews keep seething to this day and keep copying whatever real civilisations build better before.
+--- 57885386
+>>57870935
+Fpbp and /thread
+--- 57888026
+>>57870929 (OP)
+They didn't. Also, you have to be at least 18 to post here.
+--- 57888065
+>>57870929 (OP)
+>Deathtraps that look cool
+--- 57888124
+>>57871187
+Tourists, jews and leftists.
+>>57871455
+Hitler massively expanded gun rights for all people except card carrying commies and jews. Though the KPD was illegal anyway so if you were an active member of it you had other issues.
+--- 57888265
+>>57883814
+It looks like one of the first early attempts, but I don't think it did very well in testing if it didn't have a human helping it take off.
+--- 57888299
+>>57870935
+fpbp
+--- 57888317
+>>57871427
+You’re being a massive faggot
+--- 57888414
+>>57871187
+>why is there always anti-german seethe
+(((anti-German seethe)))
+--- 57888457
+>>57870929 (OP)
+Allies had jets. See Americans and Brits
+
+Allies had better guns. Mass produced Bolt Action vs US and Soviet Semi Auto
+
+German tanks broke down. More than they worked.
+
+Every squad had a hand held radio, see handy talkie 
+
+NAZIS TEC SUPERORITY IS A LIE!
+--- 57888479
+>>57871187
+because you fags constantly make threads like this were act like krauts were some advanced nation during WW2 because you saw some shitty history channel show or due to ideological reasons despite the fact most of the time they often lagged behind the allies in practical tech, and then when confronted by this you double down and accuse others of being one of your many strawmen
+--- 57888491
+>>57870929 (OP)
+>look 30 years ahead of their time
+>look
+Because they gave absolute power to an art student, aesthetics were on point even if everything else was a failure
+--- 57888545
+>planes that look 30 years ahead of their time
+The F-15 Eagle entered production in 1972, my guy.
+--- 57889252
+>>57888545
+This 100%!!! NAZIS jets were innovative but in the end were just a meme. Pound for pound the Mustang was more useful. Logistics win wars, not wonder weapons. How many mustangs and Sherman's vs tigers and nazis jets.
+--- 57889386
+>>57888457
+>germans develop impractical techwank that has no real impact
+>allies find out how to drop the sun from a B-29
+Many such cases
+--- 57889599
+>>57885304
+It was referenced >>57883808 it was innovative, but a prototype that definitely wasn't 30 years ahead of its time and it didn't introduce the idea of a flying wing. Problem with these discussions is that its not claiming that in some areas Germany had innovative ideas, early adoption of tech or excellent implementation of tech, its German weapons were far more advanced than the allies. This provokes an excessive response about WW2 mythology.
+--- 57890879
+>>57878070
+>No
+Good for you!
+--- 57891105
+>>57871384
+The F-80 was used in Italy for reconnaisance in January '45 never saw combat though
+--- 57891145
+>>57870929 (OP)
+I don't recall "muh lets focus on an unfounded grudge and warcrimes rather than the country" having semi automatic battle rifles as standard issue.
+--- 57891151
+>>57870929 (OP)
+>entirety of logistics is reliant on uncooked salami
+literally Napoleonic-era tier army with thirdie strange flex wunderwaffes.
+--- 57891152
+>>57870935
+What a satisfying first post
+--- 57891218
+>>57891151
+germans werent that terrible with field rations
+they used a wood-powered field kitchen to make garrison rations or packed them into insulated containers to serve at the front
+they had access to iron rations, slightly improved since WW1, if cut off from kitchens
+a 3-piece set with a meat dish, can of crackers, and seasonings (salt, sugar, peas soup stock)
+about as old as a kar98 in terms of effectivity, but it worked
+
+it did pale in comparison to the US offerings, though
+the C-rat was an evolution over iron rations, being a ready to eat meal, no further cooking or preparation required, having a much wider menu, and offering a whole accessory packet (powdered coffee, salt, gum, vitamins, cigs, a spoon, a dessert)
+tactical advantage of the C-rat is that you just give 1 unit per person per meal and it has everything needed to eat there and then
+iron rations would be gathered up from each trooper, prepared into individual portions, then returned to the troops
+
+the US even offered a K-ration, a slimmed down version of the C-rat to be used when cut off from supply that took up even less space
+--- 57891251
+>>57871455
+>restricts gun rights, like Third Reich
+Maybe stick to that one of facebook, retard.
+--- 57891261
+>>57871911
+Putting a bomb on the target was an absolute game changer.
+it unironically wasnt, this is a pretty unpopular opinion i think but the us was experimenting and had effective anti ship and precision guided munitions in ww2 and they were never the default bomb because they just arent worth it compared to strategic bombing - the germans never managed to strategic bomb anything so their few achievements with guided weapons stand out much brighter, even if they are just cope solutions for a military that couldnt bring that sort of force to bear.
+--- 57891299
+>>57871187
+Boring history channel fuddlore that's constantly brought up like the Nazis had flying cars and shit
+--- 57891509
+>>57870929 (OP)
+USA did it the best

k/57871076.txt

@@ -608,3 +608,59 @@ Nah, not just based on their state in the show, but as a result of their abiliti
 Exactly.
 >>57879053
 NAYRT but I get what hes talking about - either a lot of earthbenders are chronically retarded or there is a subset of them that don't have the skill/power/finesse for anything but pulling hunks of rocks out of the ground and chucking them. Lots of times where walls were the obvious choice and they still resort to rock throwing.
+--- 57879852
+>>57879578
+>they still resort to rock throwing
+it's super effective against Air types okay!
+--- 57881857
+>>57879852
+kek
+--- 57882213
+>>57879852
+>Rock is fine.
+--- 57884481
+>>57879578
+>NAYRT but I get what hes talking about - either a lot of earthbenders are chronically retarded or there is a subset of them that don't have the skill/power/finesse for anything but pulling hunks of rocks out of the ground and chucking them. Lots of times where walls were the obvious choice and they still resort to rock throwing.
+That can be beaten into them in the same amount of time you'd have to train a regular soldier. You don't need him to be a martial arts master, you just need him to learn this one move.
+--- 57884489
+>>57879442
+>in the case of the Fire Nation we're explicitly told the differentiation for line infantry.
+Can you show me this line of dialog?
+--- 57885735
+>>57879029
+His speech is so gay
+--- 57886054
+>>57879488
+I'm an Azula man, myself.
+--- 57886128
+>>57886054
+If Zuko had just fucked her we could have avoided all the retardation that was Korra.
+--- 57886260
+>>57885735
+He's a hard-core anarcho capitalist. Fun fact, he's voiced by the same person that voices Mad Stan in Batman Beyond, he's almost the same character.
+--- 57886398
+>>57874002
+Benders are a minority in the universe. Only 30% of people are benders. All benders would be specialists soldiers and would be used sparingly. Of course you want a non bender in a role that doesn’t use bending other wise you’re wasting the benders specialization. If you’d seen the show you’d know how the majority of the fire nations military are non benders and how drivers, navigators, and auxiliary personnel are not benders. This principle exits in the real world too. Losing highly trained and lower number personnel is worse than losing a grunt.
+--- 57887290
+>>57886398
+If 30% of your population was benders that's double what you'd need to have an all bender military in almost any society in history.
+Russia in WW2 couldn't get up to 20% deployment and they were dragging every fucker they could put half a rifle in the hands of to the front.
+
+America, WW2, less than 15 Percent.
+America, civil war, less than 15 Percent.
+--- 57888539
+>>57886398
+>Only 30% of people are benders
+Where is this number from? There should be way more earthbenders on that prison rig then. Theres supposed to be earthbenders multiple villages on there.
+--- 57888904
+>>57873250
+
+Considering how retarded the Fire Nation leadership is, the Russians might actually stand a decent chance at winning given their overwhelming technological superiority.
+--- 57890619
+Hot Take: Vanilla firebenders are pointless in modern combat. Combustion man firebenders however would be got tier. Its like giving every soldier a pinpoint accurate grenade launcher for no extra weight.
+--- 57890960
+>>57890619
+Firebending would make clearing buildings a fucking breeze, and somehow that random guy in Korra was able to shoot down fucking planes with his firebending.
+--- 57891560
+>>57872753
+https://youtu.be/DW3dg9VURMU?t=104 [Embed]

k/57871837.txt

@@ -159,3 +159,160 @@ Honestly, just go with the kits from whatacountry, at least then you won't have
 --- 57878278
 >>57878220
 I swear pretty much all of their kits were OOS but here's an imbel kit on their site for under a grand. Go figure. Still want an African kit but damn that's tempting as well.
+--- 57880839
+>>57873304
+M77 if you're a fan of $50 mags from a single supplier that only seems to restock when you need to put money elsewhere
+--- 57881672
+>>57878024
+>blue tigerstripe
+Abt the only thing I can relate to in this gamer post.
+--- 57882422
+Just got the m77 back from warranty, threw on the wood furniture from atlantic but its just “fine” not as nice as i’d hoped vs the original wood. debating on getting a galil style folder or the zastava triangle folder, throw on an rs regulate lower handguard with some kind of vertical grip and call it a day.
+--- 57882723
+>>57882422
+>not as nice as i’d hoped vs the original wood
+Slap some BLO on it
+--- 57883099
+>>57882723
+The happiest thing since the Twingo
+--- 57883860
+Why is my dpms unreliable? The receivers? The barrel? Mags?
+--- 57884032
+>>57877865
+>Hi Owl
+Hi fren! 
+>And Mrs Owl, I guess.
+Owl and Little Owl :)
+>Glad to see you're still with us.
+I still check in every few threads and I typically have them all on my watchlist tab. I just so happened to check in right as a new thread needed to be made so I did it for you guys :)
+--- 57885196
+>>57872893
+Try $31.5k and several days to go...
+--- 57885538
+>>57874427
+>>57885196
+I don't know much about those old vehicles, but they do look cool. I also don't have that kind of money.
+I will reiterate, got damn.
+--- 57885799
+>>57884032
+How come there are no cool books on the G3 :(
+--- 57885946
+>>57884032
+>>57871837 (OP)
+Adorable owls, great taste! Closest I have to a battle rifle is a basic bitch AKM.
+--- 57886328
+>>57885538
+Mercedes is like the FAL, it's everywhere Chevy isn't. If you want to overland the Pantanal, get the Mercedes. Dodge, Chevy need not apply. ...maybe Ford. This is what you want to find tge Lost World, City of Gold, El Dorado, et al. Make for a good prospecting truck, too. Pic rel.
+--- 57886601
+>>57885799
+This is I think the closest thing you may have fren, and its more on the action than the rifle if I am not mistaken, the book is far out of my budget.
+
+https://www.amazon.com/Full-Circle-Treatise-Roller-Locking/dp/0889354006
+
+>>57885946
+Ty fren :)
+--- 57886794
+>>57882723
+Thanks for reminding me about working on CETME wood :)
+--- 57886943
+>>57886601
+Hey, I have that book as a PDF. Technically 4 different PDFs. Not sure how to share it effectively, but if someone knows a way I can do that.
+--- 57887003
+>>57886943
+all 4 merged. quality took a hit, but here you go
+https://files.catbox.moe/ddm8oj.pdf
+--- 57887256
+>>57882422
+that "tigerstripe" stuff from atlantic looks like shit
+--- 57887658
+Is it even possible to find a m14 these days?
+--- 57887870
+>>57882723
+His smile and optimism: restored
+--- 57888084
+>>57887256
+>>57886794
+this is minwax gunstock stain mixed with tung oil
+--- 57888117
+>>57887003
+Trouble downloading, I'll try again later, thx!
+--- 57888161
+>>57887658
+I got a great one a little less yr ago off GB. Under a thou, closer to $1100 with tax, ship and xfer. Score in my book.
+--- 57888207
+>>57871837 (OP)
+What FFP scope for a M1A should I get for under $1000?
+--- 57889006
+>>57888207
+God damn that's a deal. I paid $920 and that was a steal.
+https://www.brownells.com/optics/scopes/rifle-scopes/match-precision-optic~-mpo-5-25x56mm-rifle-scope/
+--- 57889053
+>>57888084
+for me, it's tongue oil
+--- 57889115
+>>57888207
+Go for the true Marine Corps larp and get an SWFA 10x42 HD. They're on stupid sale right now for $480, usually they're $800
+--- 57889117
+I know its AR10 & 6.5 Sneedmoor but I'm trying to help fix this shit and it's driving me nuts.
+Anyone know what to do if you ever dealt with this shit?
+>24" barrel
+>rifle length gas
+but has adjustable gas block
+>keeps double feeding & stove piping rounds
+>does ok with a well used bolt?
+>hole in the fucking primer
+--- 57889238
+>>57871837 (OP)
+Are DS Arms Fals good? I'm looking to buy one but some people on plebbit complained about quality control.
+--- 57889406
+>>57889238
+must we have this same question every day, multiple times per thread?
+yes, they're fine
+the ones with chrome lined barrels are even more fine
+--- 57889445
+>>57889006
+Well this made it to the roster
+>>57889115
+>no illumination 
+>boomer reticle
+>no wind holds
+No thanks
+--- 57889773
+>>57889406
+Yes
+--- 57889806
+I hope someone got this, email alert, out of stock by the time I checked...
+--- 57889950
+>>57889445
+>>boomer reticle
+What the living fuck is a "boomer reticle"?
+--- 57890256
+>want to get into 308 and bigger for the sake of short and long range shooting
+>don't hunt
+
+Besides "because I like it" is there any reason to get a 308 and up if you don't use it for anything but ringing steel and paper or am I wasting time and money on a rifle I won't use practically outside of hypothetical home defense?
+--- 57890266
+>>57889117
+
+Do you know if you're using one of the "high pressure" firing pins if it's a DPMS pattern? Armalite ones don't need it because of a return spring while the DPMS sorta free floats if Google is to be trusted.
+--- 57890281
+>>57890256
+Long range shooting, fun, big boolet make big hole and if you get invited hunting you can bring it
+--- 57890296
+>>57890281
+It seems fun and practical for the sake of gun usage otherwise I have zero experience beyond 300m
+--- 57890430
+>>57889806
+FUUUUUUUCK. Seriously what the fuck what else rhodie came back in stock if they somehow found more of those?
+--- 57890865
+Talk me out of a desert tech mdrx
+--- 57890954
+>>57890865
+--- 57890982
+>>57889445
+Its really nice, amazing turret feedback. Better than $2k optics I've used. Crystal clear glass too.
+--- 57890985
+>>57890296
+>I have zero experience beyond 300m
+I mean you can hit something anywhere between 3-300 with 308 and 556 but go beyond with 308. Ammo being expensive and extra weight are the only real downsides, but if you have the cash and muscle then go for it.
+The army’s going back to BRs.

k/57872175.txt

@@ -399,3 +399,251 @@ The psychological effect on your enemy is a key part of any armored vehicle.
 >>57876971
 >NO! it has over 200 mods, it is totally Polish! lol
 anyway it is understandable that poles want to built it themselves, they ordered over 1000 of them, so it is a lovely machine, hell, even japs want them now, it has been exported to many countries. I think that the next Patria truck is going to be same kind of a miracle, they cut the bullshit out and made it simple & mean
+--- 57881078
+>>57874182
+Basically French tech license with a Russian turret.
+--- 57881155
+>>57878939
+Yea it does. Not having one is a terrible design. The 40 is nice but sucks if you’re using your IFV to try and establish a base of fire for maneuvering infantry. The 40mm can’t pent MBT frontally so it needs an ATGM. The fact that it doesn’t have one makes it a very meh IF
+--- 57881190
+>>57878891
+>Wykop is firmly Polish reddit,
+Some of its threads can simply be /pol/ (just without the pro-Nazi shit, obviously).
+
+P.S. Captcha: KKK24
+--- 57882462
+>>57878990
+The key point of a vehicle would be for it to actually work and doing what it was designed for, be it safely transporting a squad or neutralizing the enemy etc., not its looks, like please... The looks alone won't kill your enemy.
+https://youtu.be/7kifV0zROuU?t=87 [Embed]
+--- 57883344
+>>57872434
+>>57873019
+>>57875257
+Let's compare the interiors, pic rel: Patria AMV.
+--- 57883355
+>>57883344
+And pic rel: KTO Rosomak.
+--- 57883374
+>>57881155
+When 40mm shells start smattering the front of the vatnikmobile and ripping all the equipment off they are gonna abandon the tank.
+--- 57883410
+>>57881155
+>>57883374
+The next version of the CV90 will have an integrated ATGM launcher, most likely it's gonna be a modified version of the Akeron.
+--- 57883473
+>>57883344
+>>57883355
+Both look pretty neat. Wasn't the AMV intended from the start to allow this kind of design change, though? I know the UAE also requested a slightly longer vehicle, probably to make room for the BMP turrets they put on them.
+Some older Russian machines are so cramped and built around their engines, fuel tanks and whatever that you couldn't possible move anything without having to start from scratch.
+--- 57883475
+>>57883344
+>>57883355
+Look like completely different vehicles desu.
+--- 57883671
+>>57883344
+>>57883355
+As you can clearly see, almost everything is changed, not only the seat type etc., but even the placement of the support beams, the floor, the roof, the sides, not to mention the driver-turret operator "free-floating" ring casket.
+>>57883473
+>Wasn't the AMV intended from the start to allow this kind of design change, though?
+Yeah, it's a platform designed to have enough room for different turret types.
+>>57883475
+That's my point from the beginning. But people tend to give us Poles shit for nothing. When I said 200 modifications, I really meant it, I know what I'm talking about. AMV and Rosomak are not exactly the same vehicles, but the BASE platform is the same, yes obviously, duh!
+--- 57883690
+>>57883475
+>That's my point from the beginning.
+I'm not the anon you were arguing with. I'm just posting my observation.
+--- 57883703
+>>57883690
+meant for >>57883671
+--- 57883744
+>>57883690
+>>57883703
+Yeah, I didn't accuse you specifically, just overall venting a bit, that's all.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MMOzW3MI8I [Embed]
+--- 57883758
+>>57883744
+We should send some of Rosomak's equipped with ZSSW-30 for field testing.
+--- 57883958
+>>57883344
+>>57883355
+ There's nothing clever or funny about posting the same picture twice anon.
+--- 57884067
+>>57883758
+Maybe, depends.
+>>57883958
+I know you're blind troll, get glasses, faggot.
+--- 57884153
+the polish bot farms are pajeet-tier in their propaganda, to the point i'm surprised they can even use english without making glaring mistakes every three words
+--- 57884215
+>>57884153
+>i'm surprised they can even use english without making glaring mistakes every three words
+That maybe has something to do with our Polish IQ. ;)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km61cWOsF4M [Embed]
+--- 57884237
+>>57884215
+jaka placa taka praca, co?
+--- 57884248
+>>57884215
+
+China, cheating as usual
+I'm willing to believe Singapore. Great for em.
+--- 57884258
+>>57883344
+>>57883355
+You are comparing a fucking APC variant with .50cal RWS to IFV with 30mm gun turret. Picture completely unrelated.
+--- 57884289
+>>57884237
+Nadal czekam na me dzięgi.
+--- 57884290
+>>57883671
+>>57883744
+
+I was under the impression the Rosomak was built entirely in Poland now with mostly Polish components.
+What parts are still shipped in from Patria? I know the power pack is still not a Polish engine.
+--- 57884306
+>>57884258
+And you're comparing an IFV to a self-propelled mortar?
+
+The Polish RAK would be a better example, and it was developed entirely by Polish industry.
+--- 57884358
+>>57884215
+PISA is a pisa shit. Tests are performed locally, supervised by local professors. It's trivial to manipulate scores.
+--- 57884385
+>>57884215
+Dayum, Estonians are pretty high. Good on you bros. Finns be popping off as well.
+--- 57884569
+>>57884258
+Yeah and? Show me the interior of a Finnish 30 mm turreted Patria AMV interior then? Smartass.
+
+P.S. Is that the NEMO/AMOS? Niiice. Pic rel is the Polish M120K Rak (wheeled mortar system based on the Rosomak) interior.
+--- 57884579
+>>57884569
+Less blurry pic.
+--- 57884585
+>>57883374
+This makes me wish for the alternate reality where Poles went with the BWP-2000 project with the 60mm automatic OTO Melara gun.
+--- 57884646
+>>57884579
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBSaj5r1uLo [Embed]
+--- 57884755
+>>57884258
+>>57884569
+>>57884579
+These are sooo pretty!!!!
+--- 57884793
+How the autoloading mechanism works.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKuyQeEY0rY [Embed]
+--- 57884818
+>120 mm self-propelled mortar RAK during fire exercises on the training ground https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6SooKdyg-E [Embed]
+--- 57884825
+>>57873545
+wtf is that thing
+I must own it
+--- 57884849
+I don't even care who made what. These are cool and I would drink to the sight of these deleting vatniks.
+t. Finn
+--- 57884885
+>>57884646
+And this is the tracked Rak version on the Polish LPG chassis from HSW.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofhBfTGvQbg [Embed]
+--- 57884928
+>>57884885
+M120G Rak (tracked).
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOFE0scCX1o [Embed]
+
+P.S. G stands for gąsienicowy "tracked" and K stands for kołowy "wheeled", so M120K Rak is the wheeled one on the Rosomak platform.
+--- 57885459
+>>57884825
+That's the KTO Ryś ("Lynx") KOBUZ.
+--- 57885487
+>>57874118
+>not a short bus
+>damn polaks lol!
+Haha sure, aren't you one little, small hypocrite?
+--- 57885491
+>>57885487
+Like please...
+--- 57885517
+>>57872354
+>which in turn was a not-so-cheap copy of Soviet BTR-80 or BTR-70 though
+I don't what you've been smoking but you need to stop with that shit.
+--- 57885642
+>>57885491
+cute hippo, would cross lake with if possible
+--- 57885908
+>>57873816
+rolling
+--- 57886263
+>>57884849
+True. Germany just joined CAVS, they need north of 1k vehicles.
+--- 57886443
+>>57886263
+CAVS? I'm not familiar with this acronym
+--- 57887329
+>>57885642
+>cute hippo
+There is only ONE hippo! 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dd8DcfjKns [Embed]
+
+P.S. TOPKEK.
+--- 57887454
+>>57886443
+CAVS = Common Armoured Vehicle Systems. Started out with Binland and Latvia. Sweden, Germany and Estonia have since joined. 
+Buying already existing equipment has legal implications for european tenders.
+--- 57887622
+>>57873019
+>something Polaks could have never made themselves.
+Orly?
+>So sorry I am taking your national pride away.
+Never! You can never take our Bober away!
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6oMVHht-ew [Embed]
+--- 57887681
+>>57887622
+Bober!
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hz7Nt-yMzA [Embed]
+Thread anthem:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Nbqcjw1mg [Embed]
+--- 57887900
+>>57873816
+Rolling
+--- 57888541
+>>57887900
+Could be worse.
+--- 57889705
+>>57874118
+Your SISU reminds me a bit of the AH 20.44 btw.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghYoTb_Maow [Embed]
+--- 57890019
+>>57884928
+It looks like a constipated obese version of the Borsuk.
+--- 57890061
+>>57887329
+It'd be interesting to see an MLRS built on this. It's amphibious and has a decent payload.
+--- 57890101
+>>57882462
+Is that a local build of the Tatra Triton?
+--- 57890111
+>>57889705
+HONKERS?!
+--- 57890523
+>>57890061
+Polish AF don't seem to be interested in it so far, and it's an older project from 2011, so yeah...
+>>57890101
+Rather more on the Patriot II. Yeah, Waran is based on the Tatra Force 815-7 truck chassis. It seems that the Polish Army will pick it for the Ottokar-Brzoza tank destroyer program.
+--- 57890573
+>>57890523
+Neat. I think the Triton is just the export branding for the Patriot II. Poland is good at picking military systems. Are they still getting those Chudmoo rockets?
+--- 57890583
+>>57890523
+Infographic of the TD program.
+--- 57890597
+>>57890583
+Prototype is scheduled to be done this year.
+--- 57890956
+>>57883410
+--- 57891699
+>>57890573
+>Are they still getting those Chudmoo rockets?
+Well, 212 ChunMOO launchers been ordered.
+
+P.S. MOD still wanna order almost 500 HIMARS launcher modules (for Jelcz trucks) on top of the 20 HIMARS already ordered.

k/57873507.txt

@@ -199,9 +199,6 @@ Are you an illiterate nigger or something? Just ran away from the plantation?
 >>57878135
 >So you're assuming without any evidence that Ukraine has no shortages despite contradictory statements?
 Nigger, the US is literally still sending millions of shells, per the fucking US officials.. Ukraine is fine for their up coming counter-offensive.
---- 57878242
->>57878207
-Ukraine lost 30k men for the strategically vital city of Bakhmut, cope and seethe retard
 --- 57878256
 >>57878231
 THE 14 Challengers with the armor removed? THE Leopard 1 shitboxes? Beast of an offensive coming up, can't wait.
@@ -225,9 +222,6 @@ Can't believe they got my nigga
 >>57878256
 >vatnik is already is seethe mode
 Lol. How did Vuhledar go, Vatnik? Take Bakhmut yet?
---- 57878287
->>57878269
-Stop pretending to run things you deluded little bitch, say that to me IRL and I would break your face you pussy
 --- 57878299
 >>57878287
 you can hear the increased pressure of each keystroke.
@@ -246,9 +240,6 @@ lancet bait :)
 --- 57878328
 >>57878259
 Tunisia, but all kraut tanks had dark yellow base paint from 1943 on. You can paint all kinds of greens and browns over it to make effective camouflage. IIRC, it also happened to be a paint German army had shortage of.
---- 57878336
->>57878316
-6" Han Chinese, currently in the USA to steal as much IP as I can get away with and there is nothing you can do to stop me. LMAO
 --- 57878357
 >>57878336
 Nice rp lmao
@@ -352,3 +343,252 @@ needs dispersion
 --- 57879658
 >>57874307
 Are you retarded? Or from some flyover state where they don’t have trees?
+--- 57879734
+>>57877404
+>Western aid has been decreasing
+Danes annouced few days ago they are sending 100 Leos.
+US announced big package like a week ago.
+Italy sent M109 recently.
+--- 57879746
+>>57878287
+ReeeEEEEE, i'm gonna kill ya! Reeee!!!!
+--- 57879751
+>>57873798
+>Ugledar, and Gulyaypole
+OK Ivan.
+--- 57880022
+47 brigade has based units, it will be interesting to see them in action on bradleys
+--- 57880042
+>>57873507 (OP)
+did they really not fucking paint them? ffs
+--- 57880054
+>>57874307
+its a pine tree retard. they are literally called "evergreen"
+--- 57880084
+>>57873507 (OP)
+>Counter offensive soon
+2 weeks
+--- 57880096
+>>57874307
+It's April.
+--- 57880107
+>>57880084
+>Offensive
+>Happening at all this spring
+lol, lmao even, kek possibly, jej maybe, top zozzle perhaps.
+--- 57880121
+>>57873523
+Don't worry, Dennis/Warriortard/Starstreaktard/Bonghatetard/USshittard/Germanybesttard will be spamming multiple threads a day and will be glad to switch it up with a new one
+>WHY IS THE BRADLEY SO SHIT?
+>I THOUGHT THIS WOULD WIN THE WAR?
+>USBROS....
+Etc.
+--- 57880141
+>>57878641
+i just dont understand it.
+is it that hard to buy a fucking can of paint at tthe hardware store?
+--- 57880172
+why tf u need green camo in zaporizhzhia oblast fields
+--- 57880186
+>>57873515
+Stay away from me, FSB
+--- 57880322
+>>57879734
+>Danes annouced few days ago they are sending 100 Leos.
+That isn't a new package, just reiterating their (+NL+DE) previous commitment.
+--- 57880658
+>>57873523
+>A destroyed Bradley is a tragedy.
+>A thousand destroyed BMPs is a statistic.
+True, because there are thousands of BMPs on the battlefield and only a hundred Bradleys.
+--- 57880719
+>>57873507 (OP)
+>skipping in joyous glee
+>sees camera
+>stops
+wtf... be happy my bro...
+--- 57880821
+>>57878135
+I am demoralized.
+
+Every time I'm demoralized I send 100€ to united24 to pick me up
+--- 57880952
+>>57880121
+Warriortard likes to coom all over the Bradley comparing it to other western nation APCs, until he starts comparing it to anything Russian, in which case his narrative slips and all of a sudden American vehicles are shit.
+He is a shill plain and simple.
+--- 57881003
+>>57878469
+Fucking hell.
+
+>>57878634
+The projections are the only proof that russians could have some level of self awareness, it's twisted, it ill intended, but despite all it's somehow there.
+--- 57881007
+>>57880719
+He was about to stick kontakt-1 one on it but heard about you salivating weirdos and was self-conscious
+--- 57881087
+>>57873507 (OP)
+>Counter offensive soon
+Lmao
+--- 57881090
+>>57873564
+Ummm... sir?
+--- 57881104
+https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FHBftxz1UNI
+Do Bradleys still have terminator thermals?
+--- 57881189
+>>57873507 (OP)
+>Bradley's are officially in Ukraine. 
+Ahem, NAFO tranny. I'll remind you that T-54's are also officially in Ukraine. Khokhols have already been checkmated.
+--- 57881284
+>>57873515
+Not deceptive enough for me, FSB
+--- 57881336
+>>57881189
+I heard the Abrams is no match for the T-54. Ukraine is about to be taught a serious lesson.
+--- 57881347
+>>57878082
+Poland alone send 400 AFV during these months. Rosomaks, PT-91, Leopards, BMP-1 and the ones you're not supposed to know about :)
+--- 57881418
+>>57881347
+...PL-01?
+--- 57881498
+>>57874256
+I want to see the salt after they start blowing up MBTs too. Maybe a repeat of the BTRs wrecking russian t72s early on
+--- 57881671
+>>57878256
+>Challengers with the armour removed
+U fuckin wot mate
+--- 57881685
+>*armata have joined the battlefield*
+oops.....
+--- 57881703
+>>57881671
+He thinks the bongs give a fuck about their super secret armour even though it's basically the same shit on the Abrams.
+--- 57881715
+>>57879106
+The Houthis crack open the things like cold ones so I figure wagner or the VDV can do it
+--- 57881718
+>>57878256
+Well it's not like they'll be going up against Armatas.
+--- 57881720
+>>57881685
+PLEASE RUSSIA NOT THE ARMATAS NOOOOOOOOO I'M SORRY AAAAAA
+--- 57881741
+>>57881703
+Wtf is left if you took the armour off a chally, a kettle?
+--- 57881743
+>>57881715
+We back in fantasyland.
+--- 57881749
+>>57881720
+we will unleash.. remove the bater tank.. or else
+--- 57881772
+>>57881741
+Are the kettles electric? Surely they will be highly prized trophies for the Russians if so.
+--- 57881869
+>>57874307
+CIA painted them green
+--- 57881954
+>>57881715
+I think you posted the wrong image vatnik
+--- 57881985
+>>57874388
+>>57880054
+Birch trees with leaves at this time of year?
+Kill your selves.
+This is not in Ukraine at this time of year.
+--- 57882019
+>>57881985
+Birch blooms in April-May, you fucking idiot. Of course they'll have leaves on them now.
+--- 57882025
+>>57881985
+Correct, it's localized entirely within my kitchen.
+--- 57882027
+>>57873523
+That was my first thought when I heard western ifvs and mbts were being sent lol
+--- 57882107
+>>57881985
+this looks nothing like a birch tree fucking treetard
+you never seen a pine tree in your life?
+--- 57882164
+>>57881090
+>Bradleys in Soviet Green.
+
+Ahhh muh dick aahhhh.
+--- 57882197
+>>57873523
+I like that you've prepared your cope in advance
+--- 57883993
+That Financial Times article from yesterday... Do they really only have 35000 troops for this offensive? Is that enough?
+--- 57884647
+>>57883993
+500 boyscouts with pocket knives would be enough at this point with artillery overwatch.
+--- 57884902
+>>57874307
+It's April, you dumb ass nigger.
+--- 57885558
+>>57881090
+>>57873564
+Whats the retionel behind this? 
+I remembe somebody on /k/ once wrote that digital cammo on uniforms is bullshit because the pattern is too small. By that logic it might work on vehicles?
+--- 57885605
+>>57881715
+Houthis are better soldiers than Russians.
+--- 57885638
+>>57883993
+That article is retarded because its acting like the spring offensive will be some sort of all front crusade where Ukraine tries to push them out from all directions hence the 35k vs 140k bullshit
+--- 57885662
+>>57885558
+
+It might be so that Ukrainian rank and file, spotters, drone operators, etc can recognise a given vehicle as friendly by its camo pattern.
+
+>source: i just guessed, someone else probably has a better answer
+--- 57885723
+>>57885558
+US Army experiments in he 70's shown that Dual-Tex is more effective than MERDC, despite being the same colors and pattern, only pixelated.
+--- 57885997
+>>57885723
+Ahh, cool thanks
+--- 57888353
+>>57880952
+>>57880121
+
+Unpopular opinion: WarriorTard is Armatard after he finally went full blown insane.
+--- 57888410
+>>57881772
+Yeah, I can see this being a sought after item for the Russians if they can get one
+You can make soup in them
+--- 57888488
+>>57873507 (OP)
+Is that a Bradley without the side skirt? That's the rarest Bradley sight of them all.
+--- 57888820
+>>57888353
+I don't think this is too far off, something is more than just a bit fishy.
+--- 57889118
+>>57873515
+right next to the town of Ligma
+--- 57890172
+>>57878469
+>That bottom post
+kek
+--- 57890212
+>>57883993
+Because journalists have no grasp of strategy and the idea of securing local superiority on a specific point on the lone evades them.
+
+Also IIRC the original statement was that an additional 35k troops were raised for the offensive, that’s not necessarily the total troops they’re limited to.
+--- 57890521
+>>57890212
+the irony. /k/ope has a complete lack of self awareness. The war is going to end on Russia's terms.
+--- 57890550
+>>57883993
+/k/ope is about to find out. The last 6 months has been Wagner vs AFU, giving breathing room for 300k Russians to get training. don't expect any offensives until June, earliest May.
+--- 57891654
+>>57890550
+300k Russians who don't want to be there
+--- 57891673
+>>57890521
+WTF? I hate the west now!
+
+That argument has convinced me to call my representative in the European parliament and tell them to stop the support.
+
+t. Hans Hamburg from Düsseldorf oblast.

k/57873628.txt

@@ -168,9 +168,6 @@ Fun fact: it had to because h bomb tech sucked at that time (bombs grossly heavy
 Would you look at that: Armatard threads are still around. You can only wonder where this could be going, looks like this >>57874370, not like we already had this dumb shit a hundred times and it will only continue like this a little bit later, because you idiots keep ignoring what happens every time.
 
 God only knows for how many years he had made these threads and the posters on this board have learned nothing and just keep bumping and replying to them as if nothing ever happened. No wonder he never left, he never actually had a real reason to do so, he only had to duck down for a few days and then most had already forgot what he had done for months before. I would wager by now the majority doesn't even know why he spams seemingly on-topic threads and why one should avoid them.
---- 57875882
->>57875807
-The only reason why I post the Migs is because i know you'll respond.
 --- 57875902
 >>57875882
 --- 57875918
@@ -195,17 +192,6 @@ Super Hornet is just another overgrown F-5 variant.
 F-16N, delivered in 1987 and 1988. Retired in 1994. Talk about endurance issues.
 --- 57876024
 >>57873628 (OP)
---- 57876074
->>57875963
->>57875902
->>57875807
-I'm armatard, not him. Don't give him those replies. He's just copying me.
-
->>57875997
->Talk about endurance issues.
-A flame that burns twice as bright, will live half as long.
->1987-1994
-You know those were some hard-G years.
 --- 57876104
 >>57875882
 >why I post
@@ -253,3 +239,234 @@ See here he has de facto confessed to being the one guy copying Armatard 90% of
 --- 57879485
 >>57873628 (OP)
 >Foxbat...I am your mother.
+--- 57880475
+>>57874145
+kek
+--- 57880525
+>>57874791
+There were only two fighters that were initially designed as piston-engine aircraft but entered service as jets. The Yak-15 was one of them (the Saab 21R was the other)
+--- 57880543
+>>57874973
+How could you bring up the F-89 and not mention the wing-tip weapon pods?
+--- 57880552
+>>57876787
+>glowie sccreecher see the opportunity and starts to falseflag 
+At least you are not attacking innocent posters for a change.
+--- 57880564
+Not even sur why but I really like this jet.
+--- 57880571
+>>57874973
+Or the weird-ass nose turret, for that matter.
+--- 57880584
+>>57873628 (OP)
+the only note worthy achievement of the Mig-25 is spurring the development of the greatest fighter aircraft to ever fly
+--- 57880590
+>>57880564
+
+Me too but the Corsair 2 is even better
+
+And their modern adaption corsair 3 is picrel
+
+hope we get to see it
+--- 57880597
+>>57876216
+>>57876240
+>>57876389
+Not a jet.
+--- 57880617
+>>57873628 (OP)
+I've always found the Crusader III's triple tails bizarrely aesthetic.
+--- 57880707
+>>57880617
+Crusader III is the coolest thing. It's what I imagined spaceships would be like as a kid.
+--- 57880898
+>>57880617
+reminds me of the F-16 ATFI
+--- 57880962
+i am a big (large) fan of the EA-6B prowler i think it is a very cute and chubby plane.. and it has four seats which would make it the comfiest to flu in because i could sleep so nice like a roadtrip with my friends :D
+please be nice to it
+--- 57881015
+>>57873848
+>>57874189
+>>57874836
+>>57880584
+Based.
+F-15 is objectively the nicest fighter ever, 2nd is the F-22.
+--- 57881435
+>>57880584
+Don't say that too loud. Leafs will take the credit on developing the MiG-25.
+--- 57882636
+>>57876161
+Hits a bigger plane than you think.
+--- 57883019
+>>57874852
+It’s a death trap
+--- 57884040
+does anyone have cool f111 pics?
+--- 57884956
+>>57880617
+>>57880898
+I like those, they remind me of the useful fish.
+--- 57885009
+>>57875100
+Ace Combat aesthetic 10/10
+--- 57885026
+>>57873848
+
+F-15 was the DEFINITION of Fighter Jet for me growing up, so that's what I'll always imagine when I hear the term.
+--- 57885049
+>>57876389
+>B-24 Liberator
+>Named Bolivar Jr.
+
+N I C E
+--- 57885073
+>>57880962
+Thats a thicc girl
+--- 57885085
+>>57882636
+>dayumm guurll, you shit with dat ass??
+--- 57886135
+>>57882636
+Did they hit a limit in engine research and just made it bigger?
+--- 57886910
+>>57886135
+IIRC those engines originally were designed to be as cheap as possible and huge for a supersonic drone.
+The MIG25 was just another soviet case of the "XB-70 Valkyrie fear"
+--- 57886930
+>>57880552
+>no you are Glowie screecher
+>no you are Armatard
+Will you ever get a new line, you stupid fucking vatnigger? This is why everyone is laughing at you.
+--- 57886975
+you are all homosexuals
+--- 57887306
+>About to end the ShitBat whole career
+--- 57887341
+>>57886930
+Yes, you are glowie screecher, the faggot, armatard's personal little bitch. While we are at it both need to be permabanned and a therapy.
+--- 57887384
+>>57873628 (OP)
+Not even close.
+--- 57887643
+>>57887341
+^^^^^
+This poster is glowie screecher, he is false flagging against himself now trying to trick people into attacking his enemies through reverse psychology. It doesn't work because it's clear from the post chain that you are defending the shit tier vatnik thread and not the other way around.
+--- 57887706
+>>57873628 (OP)
+ahem
+--- 57887747
+>>57887643
+Yeah, yeah, glowie screecher, keep trying, it's not going to work beside making it easier to find you. But after trying it for two years i doubt you still put much thought into it, you just do it like a reflex.
+
+Anyone wondering why he's called glowie screecher? He couldn't understand how other people could have other opinions from his vatnik opinions, so he made it up in his mind how everyone with another opinion must be from some government organization. You are glowie, this guy is glowie, only a glowie would say this, etc. That's how he got his name. 
+
+And if the faggot dares to continue, i tell yah all the story of how he became Armatard's bitch boy. Btw, glowie screecher, you are rather tame today, received too many bans in recent time?
+--- 57887915
+>>57887747
+>>57887789
+Imagine the surprise when you show up to defend the other vatnik thread like an ass sore on the catalog, with your wordsalad attempts at reverse psychology. How does your tactic even supposed work?
+>Find vatnik thread getting shitposted against
+>Pretend to be ukraine supporter saying the shitposters are false flagging vatniks
+How many layers of "pretending to be retarded" can you hide under, until you're just another retard?
+--- 57887959
+>>57886975
+Look, it's a close second, but you can't beat the Eagle.
+--- 57888246
+>>57887915
+That's your problem, glowie screecher, you lie too much, basically all the time. Like how you bumped the thread again, why are you bumping Armatard's thread unless younare lying? Same thing over in the other thread, you keep bumping it and everyone can watch you do it!
+
+And now as promised, the story of how glowie screcher became armatard's bitchboy: he was too stupid to realize that armatard's threads weren't genuine or made in good faith, or anything beside below subpar quality, they are just spammed for effect and more often than not just a copy of a copy of ... Anyway he thought they were normal and liked them because he shares similar opinions, and he got real mad when everyone kept reporting them and calling them shit. Posters explained what was wrong with the threads to him, but he wasn't having any of it, he wanted those low quality threads which were the breeding ground and emergency backup for armatards next jingoistic outbreak or shill spam. He hated better quality threads about russian equipment since they lacked the shill and jingoistic undertone and he would stand out there. Eventually he became something like a retarded chihuahua guard dog for even the dumbest and most obvious kind of armatard threads and would furiously defend them at any form of critique, he would spend days doing it and nothing no matter how stupid was too stupid for him, it had even gone so far he keeps trying to shill armatard isn't real, ironically that was also in a time when everyone could watch him maintain his usual 4-6 threads for like 16 hours a day. How he continued to see and call out glowies everywhere didn't help either.
+You might say "he sounds a bit like a schizo and newfag if he does all this dumb shit", well, you are probably not wrong, i guess.
+
+Took me a while to response, but same gimmick as before, but this time it gets spicy: he replies again and i post one of his mental breakdowns on /k/, maybe even two.
+--- 57888467
+>>57887706
+wtf never heard abt this
+--- 57888572
+>>57873848
+>>57885026
+Truly the platonic ideal of a jet fighter
+--- 57888579
+>>57873628 (OP)
+You're kidding me right? The think's a brick with wings glued on it.
+--- 57888621
+>>57873628 (OP)
+I only like naval jets because for political reasons I consider every air force in the world to be populated by gay faggots that can suck my cock and balls at the same time
+--- 57888672
+>>57883019
+It’s a suicide rap
+--- 57888702
+>>57876436
+obvious winner
+--- 57888902
+For me, it's the F14.
+--- 57889111
+>>57874710
+You think you’re hustling me? Im the ultimate hustler
+--- 57889123
+How do you do, fellow Russians?
+--- 57889418
+>>57874836
+>le k:d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+you're a dumb nigger
+--- 57889544
+>>57873628 (OP)
+The Cocaine snorting lunatics at the Air Force evaluated an interceptor version of the extremely sexy B-70 against it's equally sexy little brother the F-108 Rapier
+So imagine this with like 70 AIM-9's lol
+--- 57889757
+>>57874189
+God damn this photo always gives me the chills.
+--- 57889790
+>>57873628 (OP)
+>all these vapid slut planes 
+It’s like you want to lose ww2
+--- 57889817
+>>57889757
+hi redit
+--- 57889970
+>>57889123
+Greeting my Russian Comrades. My name is Ivan Notciaovich from St. Petersberg County here with my other fellow Russian Comrades. Let us squat and discuss the specifications and capabilities of you- I mean our glorious Russian military aircraft.
+--- 57890372
+>>57889544
+>interceptor version
+No, nobody did that. Are you confusing something with the XF-108 Rapier, which shared engines with the XB-70?
+
+Also:
+>intercepting with sidewinders
+lol, no dummy. Would have had a handful AIM-47s.
+--- 57890392
+>>57889970
+i always knew washington was eastern european
+--- 57890609
+>>57873628 (OP)
+ITT all the popular fighters and some attack aircraft
+
+Meanwhile me in the corner with the S-3. I just think it's neat and cute looking.
+--- 57890638
+>>57884040
+The roll-out ceremony is pretty cool
+--- 57890658
+>>57873628 (OP)
+The last good looking Mig was the 21
+--- 57890997
+>>57890609
+Love your weird little plane anon. Don't let the simps sucking off the fighter jocks take her away from you.
+--- 57891010
+>>57884040
+The crew escape capsule was neat.
+--- 57891017
+>>57891010
+>Don't talk to me or my son ever again
+--- 57891044
+Sorry, you missguided mongrels, just posting the sexiest jet ever. And don't you dare to come up with one of those dogshit longnose variants.
+--- 57891122
+>>57889111
+>Im the ultimate hustler
+That's only because the Super Hustler got cancelled.
+--- 57891337
+>>57873628 (OP)
+I've always loved the look of the P-59 Airacomet. The thing is just so fucking dieselpunk. It was meant for an alternate timeline where the Nazis launch thousand bomber raids on New York City and the P-59s dogfight German escort fighters that look exactly like Do-335s (but which inexplicably have a transcontinental range), somehow Howard Hughes builds a AIM-9X Sidewinder in 1946, and there's a brief cameo by Major Dick Bong.
+--- 57891365
+>>57891044
+F-4 is like Rafale, beautiful from some angles, not so much from others.

k/57873722.txt

@@ -169,3 +169,202 @@ The yield is less than some other trees and the investment is long-term, but has
 >>57879260
 >onions
 Really, 4chins? The word was s_o y.
+--- 57879724
+>>57873722 (OP)
+Flintlock rifles are the best rifles for prepping no ifs or butts
+--- 57880050
+>>57874941
+I wouldn't recommend putting them up on a shelf and forgetting about them.
+Agriculture (especially permaculture) is something you should start working towards asap.
+It's like that old proverb "the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is today"
+--- 57880127
+>>57878988
+Self sufficient backyard 
+https://www.digistore24.com/redir/379127/approved123/
+--- 57880607
+>>57873894
+This is my goal in life. Thanks for the book recommendation
+--- 57880878
+>>57875134
+Eastern eurofag reporting, with long term experience in using Soviet made Shmel gasoline stoves, Iam talking about years of almost daily cooking. Despite being decades old and built to the Soviet standards of fit and finish they are still excellent, even in comparison with modern MSRs or Colemans. Simple all steel/brass construction, tough parts, eats up all kinds of gasoline, so no need to splurge for white gas. Requires preheating and frequent cleaning, had to change one rubber seal after a year of usage. The main downside is these stoves arent made anymore, though people still offer repair kits for them. From my experience average monthy usage for single person is one gallon of gasoline, and tiny bit of alcohol employed as primer, though its unnecessary if you are to use it in the open - you can prime it with gasoline just fine, its just gonna produce lots of stink and smoke. IMHO liquid fuel stoves are excellent short to medium time solution for prepper, dependable, portable, use ubiquitous and easily stored fuel, work well in winter, good for both outdoor and indoor applications, still very small footprint. Great think to have in your car kit, if they use the same fuel.
+--- 57880915
+>>57875269
+gonna greatly enjoy the White Sharia with my golden dinars and enslaved roasties, ngl.
+--- 57880950
+>>57879269
+lol newfag
+--- 57881100
+>>57877074
+He is, you just can see him through the shit slurry
+--- 57881113
+>>57876894
+At least you fed your rabbits
+--- 57881144
+>>57877398
+Building a city as a straight line is so retarded that I hope they'll finish the project
+--- 57881204
+>>57881160
+That's pretty cool. I'll give it a try next time I'm /out/. 
+How well does it work?
+--- 57881249
+>>57881204
+Don't know. I've been working myself to death for years and years without a chance to go camping.
+I just holiday vicariously by looking stuff up online. Sometimes I sit there and listen to outdoors camping ambiance on Youtube. Rain on a tent. Rain on a car. Cabin in a snow storm.
+Let me know how it works?
+--- 57881276
+>>57875134
+
+Butane stoves are great for camping. For SHTF you should have a good supply of cans. Get a few with the winter mix, it is a variant suited for below-freezing-point temperatures. If you plan to make food for a family then you should have something more powerful or that runs on cheaper fuel. Kerosene stoves are old school but great for cheap food making; white gas stoves have a lot more output per cubic unit of fuel so are more effective. Multifuel stoves are great but for versatility but it switching between fuels can be fiddly.
+--- 57881460
+>>57873722 (OP)
+>Personally I’m looking for the cheapest way to stockpile freeze dried foods.
+Rent time on a commercial freeze dryer, or if you can afford it, build your own. That's what the Nutrient Survival guy did, now he runs a pretty nice operation around it using the competitive differentiator of adding tailored vitamin loads to each of the products.
+
+Freeze drying is a superior method of food preservation, but it's not easy to do at home. Consider relying on home preservation techniques for the bulk of your supplies, maybe augmented with whatever freeze dried components you can afford and can add a little spice and nutrition to a survival diet.
+--- 57881936
+>>57881249
+>>57881249
+>I've been working myself to death for years and years without a chance to go camping.
+>I just holiday vicariously by looking stuff up online. Sometimes I sit there and listen to outdoors camping ambiance on Youtube. Rain on a tent. Rain on a car. Cabin in a snow storm.
+That's kinda sad, mate. And evidence that you need to reevaluate your life. Can you really not even take a weekend off to go do something for yourself? Maybe by spending less time on 4chan?
+
+You could buy a solo tent from REI right now for $99 (if you can afford just an extra $80 you could grab a Lanshan 2 Pro, big enough for two people and almost half the weight). The rest of the gear you need for a 2-3 day camping trip in mild weather won't set you back much more than that. 
+You could do it. You could be listening to actual rain on your tent by next weekend (or next consecutive 2 days off if you're a shift worker). 
+
+I will post a review on here in the future when I get a chance to try it out though.
+--- 57882031
+>>57881276
+>>57875134
+>>57881249
+Doing some reading on wood gasifier stoves I doubt they'll replace my MSR canister stove any time soon (hunting for dry wood and building a fire is a hassle you don't always want at the end of a long day's hiking, even if the stove makes it easier than a camp fire), but building a tiny fire looks fun af and I can see some benefits to it. Use is a little more complex than just throw wood into the can if you want gasification.
+There are various designs (see http://angrysparrow.com/misc_hosted/bushwhacker.pdf), I'll need to see what the differences are and what significance they make to the end product. I'm thinking I'll build a relatively small one first (suitable for my/my wife) and if it works out something larger for camping with a group. The latter use case is probably more valuable to me, whenever we go camping with mates we tend to have a campfire anyway and that means we'll already have wood collected that can be used in the stove. Looks more convenient than attempting to use a campfire for actually cooking anything other than marshmallows. 
+
+From a shtf perspective I still think I'd stick with a canister stove if I only had the space for one. Simpler to use in rough weather when you're already stressed and potentially injured. Faster to get up and running, and faster to cook with (meaning less chance of attracting hostile actors). Safer to use inside if you're sheltering in a building. Possibly lighter.
+A gasifier stove would be more useful long-term, sure, but I'm not expecting to be camping innawoods longterm so I'd expect to have other cooking options available (the canister stove is just for emergency use during the few days of travel it'll take to get somewhere safe). If it works out I'll leave one in the 4x4 and another at a likely BOL.
+
+Alcohol stoves are another option. Soda can alcohol stoves are a great project to do with young relatives or your kids. Not the greatest for shtf but they have their advantages.
+--- 57882543
+>>57882031
+
+Nice PDF dude. Thanks.
+--- 57883384
+Food is easy and cheap to gave around.
+https://providentliving.churchofjesuschrist.org/food-storage/home-storage-center-locations-map?lang=eng
+--- 57883394
+>>57875269
+>China at baseline is xenophobic
+>thinking that China will not gulag you if anything happens with any white country
+
+Lolol all that work just to get disappeared on foreign soil
+--- 57883693
+>>57881102
+Should call them SREs
+--- 57883889
+>>57873894
+Just bought this book. Never really thought about the lack of internet or electricity might make it hard for me to access my infographics
+--- 57884279
+>>57874161
+>occasionally dipping into it for camping
+Nah, just get camping food like tuna packs separate. 
+If you want to just get some food grade 5 gallon buckets with an air tight seal and put in rice and dry beans. Stick a dessicant pack or 2 in there and it'll last 10 years at least. That's cheap insurance for emergency food.
+--- 57884343
+>>57874001
+Ponder
+The
+Aroma
+--- 57884601
+>>57882092
+>Using a bunch of psudo-science hippie/FB-mommy bullshit
+>not using gamma ray sterilization
+Incredibly fucking lame.
+--- 57884621
+>>57881160
+>>57881204
+Please be aware that the wood gas is carbon monoxide, that shit can kill you.
+That shit can kill you. Only this outdoors, and light the gas on fire as soon as possible so it's not just shitting out a bunch of unburned poison gas.
+--- 57884766
+>>57874909
+Buy a used Hi-rail and use railroads or buy used Hyrail kit and convert your own truck. They'll be largely empty and normals don't think of them. Hiking, dirt bike and 4x4 will also work on them but not quickly.
+--- 57884786
+>>57880878
+That IS well made (stove and related blowtorch aficionado here).
+--- 57884796
+>>57880878
+Those sell well on Ebay too so if you can get more you can turn a profit. Check US Ebay.
+--- 57884827
+>>57880878
+Austrian Phoebus was the original BTW.
+--- 57885197
+>>57873722 (OP)
+Anyone not currently making Pemmican is NGMI
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vLuMobHCI&pp=ygURcGVtbWljYW4gdG93bnNlbmQ%3D [Embed]
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQZj1-lSilw&pp=ygURcGVtbWljYW4gdG93bnNlbmQ%3D [Embed]
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHMAoIJuiVU&pp=ygURcGVtbWljYW4gdG93bnNlbmQ%3D [Embed]
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ApJGqJOi0&pp=ygURcGVtbWljYW4gdG93bnNlbmQ%3D [Embed]
+
+Freeze dried, canned, or vacuum sealed, it will last literally forever.
+--- 57885567
+>>57885197
+what can I do with pemmican that I can't with dried meat and rice, or flour, or beans?
+--- 57885652
+>>57885567
+
+How is the total vitamin content in meat, rice, flour and beans?
+--- 57887881
+Deenz
+--- 57888502
+>>57876322
+>freeze dried
+>good for MRE type applications
+I don't think you know what MRE means
+--- 57888589
+>>57885652
+okay, so they're what, 50% more calorie dense? do you *need* that compactness?
+--- 57888763
+>>57888589
+/k/ isn't a need board.
+--- 57888854
+>>57888763
+So you.. Want to eat a shit load of pemmican, instead of a variety of food with various nutrients and tastes and textures? Well, have fun anon.
+--- 57889066
+>>57888763
+>/k/ is a larp board
+well alright
+--- 57889076
+>>57877074
+Bottom right.
+--- 57889318
+>>57877257
+Nice kniv anon, I have the same one same color strapped to my camping/hiking pack
+--- 57889764
+>>57885197
+>Freeze dried, canned, or vacuum sealed, it will last literally forever.
+You can't freeze-dry high-fat foods. Why would you even suggest that?
+--- 57889808
+>>57885567
+>>57888589
+>okay, so they're what, 50% more calorie dense? do you *need* that compactness?
+Good if you're on the move, that's pretty much it.
+--- 57890375
+>>57889764
+I just don't like people with freeze driers.
+--- 57890409
+>>57882069
+please stop posting this, this literally does not work. You will only grow more green, however the green will NOT make more shoots to grow potatos. The only potatos that will form are with the original shoots coming up when first planting. This does not work at all, I don't know why you goobers keep posting this.
+--- 57891429
+>>57889764
+You can
+But there's no point freeze drying pemmican, freeze drying meat would have the same effect
+--- 57891491
+>>57873722 (OP)
+--- 57891512
+>>57891491
+Basically everything on the right is covered by "militias"
+--- 57891551
+>>57881128
+>masks
+dropped

k/57873754.txt

@@ -71,3 +71,104 @@ If I was like a police chief or police captain, I would carry a gold desert eagl
 --- 57878038
 >>57873754 (OP)
 >nobody's mentioned the GOAT game pistol
+--- 57880000
+>>57873754 (OP)
+What?: ESL?
+--- 57880077
+I will protagonist carry my p226 with wood grips (invisible until i draw it for dramatic effect)
+--- 57881213
+>>57877797
+Sexy
+--- 57882481
+>>57873754 (OP)
+God that would look so much better without that stupid STARS engraving
+--- 57882592
+>>57873754 (OP)
+>LOVE AND PEAAAAAACE
+--- 57882608
+>>57882536
+It's never coming out.
+--- 57882896
+>>57882608
+Making it Anon from the hit /k/ post >>57882536's iconic weapon will force them into production
+--- 57883100
+Colt Delta Elite. The red triangle is cool.
+--- 57883250
+Claimed
+--- 57883289
+>>57883250
+--- 57883404
+45 lonslide
+--- 57883430
+Mine
+--- 57883448
+>>57873754 (OP)
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_10
+
+https://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/smith-and-wesson-model-10-review/
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFYn5KChBvo [Embed] 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyuWY3NU3e8 [Embed]
+ 
+
+https://www.gunbroker.com/Revolvers/search?Keywords=Model%2010&PageSize=96&Sort=4&View=1&Ch-model=10
+
+www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-revolver-buyers-checklist/
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEHNZFTfSD8 [Embed]
+
+ 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkWlIhaeuaY [Embed] 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaiGSDiaI_w [Embed]
+--- 57883554
+spess cowboi
+--- 57883624
+First (i hope) for Glock 20
+--- 57883835
+I really like my Q4 SF so I'll be going with that.
+--- 57883930
+>>57873754 (OP)
+--- 57883976
+>>57873754 (OP)
+Perfect for retiring Replicants.
+--- 57884572
+Claimed
+--- 57884675
+>>57873754 (OP)
+Either something painfully boring or something quite retarded like pic related. So I guess this one is claimed.
+--- 57885838
+>>57877333
+this gun made by the autistic nigger that wrote his name on everything in school
+--- 57885858
+>>57877797
+is it possible to remake this gun in a modern non retarded calibre?
+--- 57885909
+>>57885838
+That gun was made in a time where plenty of parts were still hand fitted to firearms.
+--- 57886954
+EZ
+--- 57887678
+simple as
+--- 57887692
+/thread
+--- 57887695
+>>57880077
+ew, is that their dak or whatever trigger? gross
+--- 57887712
+>>57873754 (OP)
+Type 17
+--- 57887733
+Da Oozi Nein Millahmeatuh
+--- 57887791
+>>57885858
+Yes.
+--- 57889160
+Malaysian Police USP
+--- 57889304
+Claimed
+--- 57889343
+Glock 18.
+
+Every single time I get into a gunfight, the dramatic tension would disappear pretty much immediately as I spray the entire mag into the general direction of the enemy, reload, and then do it again.

k/57873845.txt

@@ -161,3 +161,221 @@ if anyone needed further proof that feds were in here trying to scare everyone i
 Blacks can’t aim for shit. But a FA Glock fires so fast that the entire mag is emptied in, for all intents and purposes, the same amount of time as it would take a nog to fire one shot. So although they can’t aim, they get 33 (fifty with da mufuggin drum clip n shiet on da glitzy nigga fuck shit) chances to get lucky, and all they have to do is aim in your general direction
 
 How have nigger on nigger homicide rates changed every since auto Sears became popular among them?
+--- 57881011
+>>57876445
+>it's not illegal to share, produce or purchase these
+>what is intent to construct 
+alright fed now this is just entrapment at this point.
+Incase you're not a fed and you're just really, really stupid. if you get caught with a 10inch barrel and a non sbr'd AR, that's a felony for intent to construct. it doesn't matter if you were holding it, or waiting for your tax stamp to be approved, or whatever. if it looks like you had the parts and intended to use them, you're fucked. 
+now imagine if you had a very very specific part that's only function is to make a very very specific gun full auto. if you get caught with one of them, sure maybe nothing happens. now if you get caught with one of them, and you just happen to own a Glock, now you're fucked big time.
+--- 57881053
+>>57876352
+>you can easily purchase
+yeah if by easy purchase you mean $38,000 dollars? this isn't even a poor nigger problem, even if you're making 100k a year, that's over a third of your paycheck spent on what, another gun? could be buying a brand new car for that money, or pay for like over a years rent at a nice house in a big city. or buy 38k worth of different guns and ammo.... the only people who would buy a full auto would be either boomers With more retirement money than sense, or niggers who think buying this 18k transferrable Uzi will make them the talk of the hood
+
+>it's legal to manufacture them hehe
+no, not unless you're an SOT and conducting business with them. plus even then it's a 600$ tax every year and if you ever stop paying, the feds come and take all your guns away. then the rest of the year you have to worry about finding like 3 people who can and want to legally buy full auto guns or else the ATF deems you aren't doing enough business and- once again, takes all your guns away and never lets you get an FFL again
+--- 57881381
+>>57873845 (OP)
+Orcs are not great at ranged combat, but they have enough dakka to make up for it. The best way to avoid this is to stay at a far range, and use your superior hit dice to your advantage.
+However, if you get caught in the middle of a big city during a WAAAAGH, you’re pretty much fucked
+--- 57881406
+>>57876445
+SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK MY DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK LIKE THE GOVT TEAT GLOWNIGGER. CHATGPT OR GLOWNIGER, BEGONE. BACK TO YOUR DILATION STATION AT CAMP AXE WOUND.
+--- 57881423
+>>57881053
+>"STOP BEING POOR!!!"
+-Person with 75k in credit card debt, wobbly IKEA furniture and carpeted apartment showing off his latest gizmo gadget to strangers on social media
+--- 57881494
+>>57876360
+Why don't we team up then? /k/ could give niggers tactical training and overthrow the US gov in 3 weeks
+--- 57881502
+Being racist and owning guns doesn't make you a tough man
+--- 57881613
+>>57875973
+It's also not illegal for you to put anybody you want on a list for further monitering :)
+--- 57881704
+>>57876445
+>the government is not an all seeing eye
+sure, but we aren't stupid, fed. they've caught feds hundreds of times on 4chan. people have been arrested (for shitposting and venting about politicians mind you, nothing illegal) by feds who were monitoring 4chan in the past. there is undeniable proof that at the very least, there is a small team at the fbi dedicated to monitoring chan threads for any illegal activities, threats, or anything going against their status quo. 
+I'd be surprised if feds were monitoring sites like reddit or Tumblr or something, but to be monitoring 4chan not only has precedent but is now expected. 
+
+>the black problem in the USA is proof of this.
+for starters, you aren't even allowed to say nigger, dumbass fed. clocked from a mile away.
+secondly, it's already been established in this thread that feds and cops are afraid of another "Summer of peace" aka mass riots if they do anything to a nig and it gets on TV. 
+so instead of sending feds to the hoods and risking their boys getting shot trying to confiscate the crips seemingly endless supply of Glock switches and wish dot com autosears, they have em sit in a comfy office, monitoring 4chan and trying to bait people into saying or posting that they have illegal guns, parts, plans, etc. by lying to them and entrapping them.
+
+tldr; get fucked fed we can see you glow from a mile away
+--- 57881833
+>>57881011
+>>57881406
+>>57881704
+BE AFRAID EVERYONE!! BE VERY AFRAID!
+
+your lives are worth infinite value and not worth protecting the future of our people (especially those brown people that come from africa and live in filth and dirt) or the second amendment. 
+
+DO YOUR PART TODAY TO DEGENERATE YOURSELF AND OTHER FOLKS!
+--- 57881847
+>>57876441
+>look at the reviews
+>surprising numbers of whites
+>lots of retards posting with their hands or tattoos visible
+>posting with their serials visible.
+People are dumb.
+--- 57881855
+>>57875799
+百度一下,你就知道
+全球领先的中文搜索引擎
+--- 57881950
+>>57876360
+>bent coat hanger.
+..........???
+--- 57881973
+>>57875027
+Anon government employees dont send their kids to inner city schools, its an anarcho tyrannical move as dead inner city kids impact the machine little at all.
+--- 57882044
+>>57881011
+>>57881406
+>>57881704
+
+why don't you fags go join a libtard cult in a big city and throw away your guns, then start telling everyone else they need to get rid of their guns or you're going to call the cops.
+
+fucking pussy libtards...you don't even belong on this board
+--- 57882077
+>>57873845 (OP)
+You're at a tactical disadvantage if he trains and you don't. 
+
+The gun doesn't matter and fuck the 1986 GCA.
+--- 57882232
+>>57881950
+boy that hanger took a beating! all mangled up and stuff and destroyed.
+--- 57882345
+>>57881704
+>(for shitposting and venting about politicians mind you, nothing illegal)
+
+specifically saying shit like "I AM GOING TO KILL (politician)" is a threat and is not legal. its not 'venting'. there are been enough terrorists from 4chan that the feds would be stupid to not take every threat seriously.
+--- 57882393
+>>57882345
+You’re objectively wrong but thanks for the input. 
+It has to be an actionable threat for it to be illegal. Threatening someone across the country by saying you’re gonna throw them in a woodchipper is fine but if you say youre going to kill X neighbor in Y way at Z time then yeah you might get a knock on the door. 
+
+Chitwood hasnt changed the law
+--- 57883544
+>>57875316
+>Full auto on an infantry combat rifle specifically is less useful because you are usually at a longer engagement distance
+The entire point behind developing the assault rifle as a concept was to do what you said, but also being able to take that gun and fight indoors or in trenches. During WW2, the SMG was vastly preferable to your rifle in those situations. Assault rifles simply gave you that SMG capability as an option.
+--- 57883732
+>>57874928
+love this one, got more webms, and or story?
+--- 57883790
+>>57874928
+>>57883732
+bruh
+https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5117383
+--- 57884005
+>>57882077
+>Niggers
+>Training
+Thanks for the laugh, anon
+--- 57884442
+>>57874875
+This guy is noguns, you always know its him because he attaches that faggot smiley face when he makes his cringenigger posts.
+--- 57885187
+>>57881855
+I'm a SOT looking for plans, not looking to set a trap for myself buying something I'd otherwise be legally allowed to have.
+--- 57885305
+>>57873867
+Wish.com, Ebay, Newegg, Aliexpress, you name it. Pretty much every Chinese website is flooding the US with these. I wouldn't even be surprised if this is an official CCP operation aimed at destabilizing politics in the US by ramping up urban crime warfare.
+--- 57885320
+>>57874928
+>Mfw the bullets just bounced off his blubler
+--- 57886033
+It just aint fair guys. I wish I was born black!
+--- 57886064
+>>57882345
+>specifically saying shit like "I AM GOING TO KILL (politician)" is a threat and is not legal.
+
+there are plenty of people who threatened publicly on social media to kill trump and there are videos of the FBI arriving at their house and doing nothing at all because it's free speech. you're just wrong
+
+also the retard here >>57881704
+ needs to read this
+--- 57886090
+>>57882345
+>there are been enough terrorists from 4chan that the feds would be stupid to not take every threat seriously
+
+you cannot possibly know if anyone on this website is a terrorist, and sheer probability is against you. it's very hard to be a terrorist, not easy. 
+
+mass shooters aren't even terrorists neither are countries that invade other countries killing tens of millions of people. killing people doesn't mean terrorism and there is no such thing as a domestic terrorist. even if there were... people can do whatever they want - mind your own business
+--- 57886791
+>>57874928
+Why any cop would approach a nigger in a vehicle with anything less than an M4 set to full giggle I'll never understand.
+--- 57887785
+>>57881494
+niggers are untrainable idiots, they're feral and only good for proving gun laws dont work.
+--- 57887808
+>>57873845 (OP)
+How do these even work? Wouldn't it cause the Glock to slam fire?
+--- 57889262
+>>57876339
+>supply is limited
+The files to print one are freely available. $200 for the printer and a few cents worth of filament.
+--- 57889270
+>>57889262
+in a way that doesn't cause the BATFE to come kill my dog
+--- 57889296
+>>57889270
+They're lack the man hours to monitor even a fraction of that stuff.
+Thousands of printers change hand every day, most for lawful purposes. The hosting sites see millions in traffic. No one is going to know. If you're really that much a of a bed wetter I'll put a copy on catbox.
+--- 57889303
+>>57889296
+no I mean, if I start shooting this thing at the range
+--- 57889322
+>>57889303
+then don't do that?
+The point is not to be out gunned when crossing spooksville.
+better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 anon.
+--- 57889328
+>>57889322
+I'm fine with semi for that purpose
+--- 57889498
+>>57881704
+>they've caught feds hundreds of times on 4chan.
+--- 57889516
+>>57873867
+I am convinced that the fbi and the cia are actually just dumping bags of them in random coon towns
+--- 57889676
+>>57877012
+Shut the fuck up shitskin. You're retarded.
+--- 57890726
+>>57881833
+>>57882044
+queers who stole digits and told people to go buy dindu brand giggle switches from the upright chinamen. 
+
+glownigger fed hang your discord tranny ass from a tree BY YOUR PRE-OP BALLS 
+>>57885187
+if you were, you would have a email folder full of daily email sales on shit like this. manufacturers and dealers get shit cheaper than youd believe and mark it up like crazy. 
+yes even the gcode for it.
+--- 57891029
+>>57890726
+>shit like this
+>yes even the gcode for it.
+I can tell you don't know what your talking about. There is no real trade for full auto stuff outside of sturmgewehr and GunBroker, especially with the ATF cracking down on law letters they have been arbitrarily deciding don't count because they don't have real application. Manufacturers don't typically share gcode for anything cool because it would cut into their own production... Well especially not gcode because that'd be for their specific machine.
+
+Gatalog/defcad/oddsee have some stuff if your willing to filter through 1000x mods to the same thing and modify it for metal vs additive manufacturing.
+
+But there is no good resource for real parts readily available for licensed manufacturers.
+
+And as far as "cheap" goes, accessories are typically cheaper than market, but serialized parts are at the low buy it now price on GunBroker.
+--- 57891576
+>>57876352
+Purchasing the FA parts for guns that were around in 1986 is fine, but it is illegal to actually convert something to FA. Like you can buy m16 auto Sears, but you can’t drill the hole in the receiver to assemble it all together.
+--- 57891644
+>>57874928
+Source? I think I remember seeing this on police activity, but from the officer’s POV
+--- 57891662
+>>57874928
+Nvm, found the source
+
+For those interested:
+
+https://youtu.be/4zFrF8PCR08 [Embed]

k/57874395.txt

@@ -106,3 +106,225 @@ It's a Marlin Model 60 I picked up in 2008 and I have no intention of ever repla
 --- 57879412
 >You bought cheap and stacked deep, it's okay to actually shoot all of that .22. Please?
 I should pull the ol' Marlin out more. Wish I had a plinkable yard, I'm sure I would.
+--- 57881143
+>>57878702
+Mauser?
+--- 57881230
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>I've been sitting in your Dad's gun cabinet since you grew up and got too big for me.
+>One day you're going to give me to your son though, right?
+Sorry little Ruger. Things didn't quite work out that way. I'm gonna come get you and bring you home to my safe though. You can meet all the new guns.
+--- 57881367
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>my bayonet is still bent, bashd meg!
+--- 57882658
+>>57874638
+You need to take better care of your guns, my guy.
+--- 57882730
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>Why don't you shoot me more anon?
+After shooting
+>Clean me you lazy piece of shit. Also, I chewed up all your brass. 
+still fun though.
+--- 57882768
+>hey faggot, how about you take me to get some duck instead of skeet shooting again
+--- 57882897
+>>57874395 (OP)
+
+Why don't you shoot me anymore?
+
+Because I noticed the amount of wear on the side of your chamber, and I want to leave some use left on you for my child. 
+
+
+I do think the wear is being caused by the extractor, I could potentially lengthen its life by removing it, but then you would have to extract each shot with your fingernail.
+--- 57882979
+Lakefield mk2 
+>thanks for taking my shooting again . I love you too anon
+--- 57883032
+>>57874395 (OP)
+I know you haven't shot me in a while but will you at least get the sight pusher and actually fix my rear sight
+--- 57883045
+Sako P72 22LR with heawy barrell, target stock and riflescope; why did you sell me?
+--- 57883073
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>get that staple out of my trigger
+--- 57884150
+>>57881230
+>Sorry little Ruger. Things didn't quite work out that way.
+Unless you're brown, have children.
+--- 57885061
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>first gun ever
+A russian tokarev which would scream at me for not shooting her more often and taking 2 years to find a replacement firing pin detent pin out of lazyness.
+--- 57885703
+>receive little .22 rifle from great grandfather as a gift
+>don't know him well, but I'm the fourth generation to have it and we're both excited
+>go out into his yard and shoot some oranges
+>take it home and eagerly await next chance to use it
+>chance never comes
+>father is a stunted manbaby who doesn't want me interfering with his hobbies, so he avoids ever taking me out to shoot it
+>know he would've ruined the experience anyway
+>take it with me when I move out, he tries to fight me on it
+>live in shitty rent houses in college town, nowhere to shoot
+>gun goes back to sitting in a closet, gets thought about very little
+>fast forward 14 years
+>father and I don't speak often, great grandfather has been dead for some time
+>I have two boys and a girl on the way
+>having kids and knowing what it feels like to be a dad has only deepened my contempt for how he handled everything
+>I shoot regularly and have more guns and ammo than he does
+>remember the little .22
+>take it out, clean it, oil it, test it
+>feeling unexpectedly emotional about it, choking up and wishing things had been different
+>realize that like my great grandfather, I barely got to know this gun at all
+>both were because of my father not wanting me around
+>realize I'm projecting my feelings toward my great grandfather into this gun
+>feel like this gun has a soul to it, and regardless of who's fault it was, I've failed to nurture it
+>put the gun back in the closet
+>promise in my head that it'll get to know my boys better than me
+Take your kids shooting. This stuff matters.
+--- 57885993
+>>57885703
+Sorry that your Dad is that way, but maybe things happen for a reason and your children will be blessed by your abounding love toward them. Try not to harbor any bitterness, that ain't good for a person. 
+
+First gun was a Kimber 1911 TLE 1 I think, full size .45
+>we had some great times anon but I'm in a better place now. These guys really enjoy 1911s and I see that your getting along just fine with that glock harlot.
+--- 57886174
+>>57874395 (OP)
+"Tpeбaлo јe дa бyдeм y Capaјeвy, нe oвдe."
+--- 57886185
+>>57874395 (OP)
+WHy do you point me at your head so much?
+--- 57886270
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>STOP SHOOTING ME THERE’S A TINY DENT IN MY BARREL!! 
+Just noticed granpappy’s 12 guage has been one heavy load away from stealing some fingers for the last 5 years.
+Can you repair db barrels from the 50s or is going above the mantlepiece?
+--- 57886343
+>>57884150
+>Have kids
+Wanted to. Ex wife did not. Now I'm at a point in my life where I'm kinda too old to start over. So I shoot and I hunt and I come on here with you guys and talk about retarded shit like what if my guns could talk.
+--- 57886615
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>DP-12
+"You are an idiot for buying me... I love you too"
+--- 57886658
+>>57886270
+How bad is it do you mind taking a picture?
+--- 57886738
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>Well well well, if it isn't mister flinchyboy?
+--- 57886746
+>>57886343
+Go cream pie an 18 year old. IF you're white.
+--- 57886824
+>SKS
+"Yeah you fucking retard, my sights were fine BYLAT."
+>Hi Point 9mm
+"Atleast you gave me a chance, anon."
+>P80 Glawk
+"Sorry for being jealous daddy. Please come back to 9mm. Think about all the good times we had together."
+
+As for the new twins
+"Aren't we so much better than 9mm? You finally got away from those 'little girls' and got with some real women. Lots of men have been tempted by those hag .45 guns, but why would you want some ancient fat hog? 10mm is perfect. Modern, Thick, Powerful, and Fast enough to compete with magnum revolvers."
+
+Anyone that complains about 10mm recoil needs BTFO'd. Even buffalo bore doesn't meaningfully increase recoil to bad levels. But when you let soi fbi agents shoot guns what do you expect.
+--- 57886874
+>>57874395 (OP)
+"fix me already you fuck"
+--- 57886925
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>first gun
+Listen I know I was rough around the edges but that doesn't make it okay to pawn me off
+>oldest gun I still own
+Hey thanks for not getting rid of me and all but your dad shot me a lot more than you've ever done. What the fuck is up with that? Don't give me that ammo cost cope, I've seen tons of new guns come and go so I know you can afford to shoot me. Do I not excite you anymore? You loved me when you were a youngin
+>oldest handgun
+Fix me you lazy fucking faggot
+--- 57886939
+>>57874395 (OP)
+FIrst gun
+> that I shot - my grandfather's Remington Model 12 w/ octagonal barrel & corncob front end
+"Why did you let your uncle's shew wife give that beautiful rifle to a gun buyback?"
+> that I bought - Colt HBAR AR-15
+"Why'd you sell me?"
+--- 57887816
+>>57882897
+Could try for getting a custom one made from a softer metal like aluminum, hard to put a price on sentiment.
+--- 57887830
+>>57886343
+Got any nephews?
+--- 57887940
+>>57885703
+I don't know if you had it better or worse, anon. My grandfathers were all dead beats, and my dad at least made the overtures of caring, but if anything came up in his own hobby groups, you can bet your ass he chose them over me every time.
+It really fucking hurt, having what you could have dangled in your face all the time. We don't talk.
+--- 57887958
+>>57886738
+haven't had a chance to post this one in a while.
+--- 57888011
+>>57886939
+Why did you sell your AR?
+--- 57888023
+>Remove kebab.
+--- 57888029
+>>57874395 (OP)
+my current gun is an A2 clone that I built but it originally had an A4 upper, the A4 upper with detachable carry handle is in storage in a little box made for it and I keep the A2 on for the most part (receiver is one of those govt roll stamped A2s) so which would talk? the A2 or the A4 upper.
+--- 57888233
+>>57888029
+A2
+--- 57888257
+>>57888233
+but did I kill the A4? is it just a floating brain? a corpse from the waist up?
+--- 57888366
+>Stop coming up with excuses for why we can't go to the range this week you lazy faggot, it's been months, and don't give me that "b-but, I don't want to blow through all my ammo too fast" shit, you have over 4000 rounds.
+--- 57888393
+>>57888257
+you overthink it man soul is bolt heart is barrel my friend
+--- 57888476
+>>57874395 (OP)
+"ayyyyy nigga we finna get into some shit?"
+
+My first gun was a Hi Point JHP 45 i got for free in 2010
+--- 57888505
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>Why wasn't *I* worth an optic?
+--- 57888606
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>>57888393
+A2 completed rifle
+>I know you bought me for the carry handle anon, but will you stop racking me every five seconds? also stop holding me by the carry handle how would you like it if someone held you by your hair?
+
+A4 upper sitting in the box
+>Father why have you cast me aside, I know my older sister is more favourable to you but please at least grant me the dignity of a complete body. I miss our time together...
+--- 57888768
+>>57887958
+L-lewd...
+--- 57888816
+>>57888393
+>doesn't know his waffengeist lore
+bolt is both heart and mind, barrel is mouth
+--- 57888945
+>>57874395 (OP)
+>"I know I'm just a chinese version of the real thing, but I'm reliable and good looking, too! Take me out at least once a year, please? I promise I feel better than that romanian you bought to replace me..."
+--- 57889073
+>>57886746
+I am in fact White. That's why my life sounds like a country song. If I run into an 18yo White girl who needs a daddy I'll make sure to add some cream to her peaches though.
+
+>>57887830
+Nope, but I do spend some of my time teaching other people how to shoot; coworkers, friends, women who want to into self defense. One of my coworkers has a son who might get some good use out of that old .22. It's a single shot bolt action though. Kinda tempted to ask his dad if I could kick in and we could get him a 10/22
+--- 57889396
+>>57874395 (OP)
+Why did you TRADE ME TO A FUCKING MACHINE GUNNER FOR AN ACOG
+--- 57889447
+>>57874395 (OP)
+should have waited for the p365 with a slide cut that allows co-witnessing
+--- 57889482
+>>57886270
+How the fuck do you dent a shotgun? Did your granpappy face off Bugs Bunny at some point?
+--- 57890674
+>>57889482
+I chipped the plastic of my Mossberg 590 when I slammed the buttstock into a window to try and bust it. It busted near where your hand goes, which was odd.
+--- 57890754
+>>57888945
+1897?
+--- 57891156
+>>57886658
+Off at the gunsmith now but he hasn’t said if it’s repairable. It’s like the size of a pencil tip but you can see it inside the barrel so I rlly don’t want to fuck with it.

k/57875029.txt

@@ -109,3 +109,244 @@ Because Indonesians are cowards who don't even recognize Kosovo.
 --- 57879502
 >>57878079
 duplicitous,perfidious, sunburned, Albions
+--- 57879757
+>>57878079
+I (an Australian) personally support Papua reunification because border gore triggers me
+--- 57879787
+>>57878201
+>some random papuan gets to fingerfuck and use a steyr
+>i cant even own one
+--- 57879809
+>>57878272
+>grease gun
+>FAL
+>Galil
+>Longbow 
+Unfathomably based
+>ywn dab on Jungle asian "special forces" with your homemade longbow and 80yr old grease gun
+--- 57880565
+>>57879472
+Nah, Indons are still in their "non-aligned movement" phase from the Cold War. They have a national neurosis about foreign influence on their shores, so their tendency is to go full insular and autarkic. But yeah, otherwise, they're not gonna be reliable allies in any shooting war. They're like the India of SEA in that respect, but without a real bone to pick with China.
+--- 57880647
+>>57880565
+>Nah, Indons are still in their "non-aligned movement" phase from the Cold War. They have a national neurosis about foreign influence on their shores
+Malaysia, Brunei and even Singapore recognize Kosovo.
+Indonesians go out of their way not to recognize Kosovo.
+
+Indonesia and Malaysia went out of their way to criticize the AUKUS submarine deal.
+> https://theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/we-are-worried-indonesia-and-malaysia-express-concern-over-australias-nuclear-submarine-plan
+> https://channelnewsasia.com/commentary/aukus-australia-nuclear-asean-china-south-sea-tension-2191776
+Mind you, it doesn't matter whether the submarine is diesel powered or nuclear powered. A nuclear sub doesn't necessarily carry nuclear weapons and alternatively a diesel sub can also carry nuclear weapons. So the statements weren't based on real security concern and was purely political and meant to enamor China.
+
+>so their tendency is to go full insular and autarkic.
+Indonesia produces nothing in terms of defense, but buys everyone from other countries. They also like to claim credit for shit they didn't create, like the Kaplan medium tank (Turkey) and the KF-21 fighter jet (South Korea). They are the furthest thing from autarkic.
+
+>They're like the India of SEA in that respect, but without a real bone to pick with China.
+All of Maritime Southeast Asia has territorial disputes with China.
+--- 57880651
+These Papua dudes are some bad motherfuckers
+--- 57880945
+>>57880647
+nta but Indonesia and Malaysia release new statements on AUKUS in 2023
+>https://www.kln.gov.my/web/guest/-/enhanced-trilateral-security-partnership-between-australia-the-united-kingdom-and-the-united-states-of-america-aukus-
+>https://twitter.com/kemlu_ri/status/1635487830314217473?s=61&t=ox7wiYMgklaiYRyHyhJCJw
+the 2021 statements focus on arms race while 2023 is softer and focus on calls for transparency and NPT commitments
+--- 57880973
+>>57880647
+>Indonesians go out of their way not to recognize Kosovo.
+How does this refute my argument? A lot of countries don't recognize Kosovo for geopolitical reasons, especially countries like Indonesia which have actual secessionist movements going on, simply because recognition would imply some kind of legitimacy to unilateral declarations of sovereignty. That's why Spain doesn't recognize Kosovo either despite being in NATO and the EU.
+>Indonesia and Malaysia went out of their way to criticize the AUKUS submarine deal.
+For Malaysia, there's definitely an element of wanting to be on the Chinese good side, and yeah, Indonesia is the same to a degree. But in general Indonesia views SEA as its backyard and wants to turn the region into a big neutral zone. That's why they've been trying so hard to turn Jakarta into the Brussels of SEA.
+>Indonesia produces nothing in terms of defense, but buys everyone from other countries.
+The Indons have to rely on foreign purchases like pretty much every non-major military, but in the first place, they force foreign partners into joint ventures because they want that domestic capability for themselves. But if you look at their trade policy outside the military, it's a sea of export bans, non-tariff barriers and foreign equity restrictions. Economic nationalism and autarky is a very strong idea in Indonesia compared to the rest of SEA.
+>All of Maritime Southeast Asia has territorial disputes with China.
+Yeah, but China's 9-dash line over the Natuna islands is really a nothingburger compared to the Spratlys or Paracels, let alone India's long, if inhospitable border with China. To India, China is a powerful and ever-present enemy. To the Indonesians, China's saber-rattling is annoying, but they're still more than happy to sell all their nickel to them.
+--- 57880988
+Are the vtubers safe?
+--- 57881010
+>>57880651
+It's the blend of mixed salad hodgepodge gear and tribal attire that really makes the aesthetic for me.
+--- 57881020
+>>57880647
+>Indonesia and Malaysia went out of their way to criticize the AUKUS submarine deal.
+retard take 
+yeah, there's no way for them to oppose it
+
+but it's symbolically saying to china
+>we're not a part of this
+--- 57881137
+>>57876776
+he has a widened anus right now
+and he loves it
+--- 57881157
+>>57880647
+>Malaysia went out of their way to criticize the AUKUS submarine deal.
+Aren't they part of the FPDA? Why would they object to their closest ally gaining better capability?
+--- 57881224
+>losing to barely stone age spearchuckers.
+
+The absolute state of Indonesia, we're not like this even on a bad day.
+
+t. Flip.
+--- 57881332
+>>57878118
+>China: build the dildos
+> USA: Brings the dildos to your childrens school...with intent
+China 1 - 0 USA
+Death to ZOG
+--- 57881353
+>>57879809
+No FALs or galils, just variants of domestic produced FNCs by Indonesia.
+--- 57881451
+>>57881224
+C'mon now, don't stir shit up, we're one of the few neighbors Indons are actually cool with
+--- 57882470
+>>57881157
+they dont see>>57880945
+--- 57882546
+>>57875029 (OP)
+
+OP is fucking Malayshit vermin disguise as Indonesians to spreading fake news. 
+
+OP ialah Malon bankrupt anjing ingris
+--- 57882614
+>>57880647
+>>57879472
+
+Found the Malingshit vermin. You Malon retard couldn't even survive a single day once the mighty Garuda Indonesia destroyed your shitty "armed forces".
+--- 57882712
+>>57882546
+OP here. sorry anon, lot of genuine malingshit in this thread, but I am 100% indog. This clusterfuck is fucking embarassing and there is no point denying it.
+--- 57882756
+>>57882546
+>>57882614
+>B
+>R
+>O
+>W
+>N
+--- 57882761
+>>57875029 (OP)
+In a fight between Kopassus, VDV and Unit 777 who would lose the hardest?
+--- 57882771
+Hopefully those abbo pygmies get napalmed
+--- 57882842
+>>57881353
+Most of their weapons are from Indonesia
+They stab soldiers with spears to loot their stuff
+Sometimes corrupt soldiers sell their guns for food (lmao)
+>https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/422136/papua-liberation-army-sold-arms-by-indonesian-military
+>Kogeya said he bought ammunition and weapons from the TNI and Police because that was their way of accessing food while posted in Papua.
+--- 57883858
+>>57882842
+this is just plain zigger tier propaganda.
+--- 57886572
+>>57875029 (OP)
+>Kopassus
+
+How? Isn't that Kopassus is the best Indonesia special forces ever? The tip of the spear, the creme de la creme of Indonesia Armed Forces? The best special forces ever that unrivalled. Even American General admitted that SINGLE Kopasssus operator are much much worthy than whole regiment of US Navy SEALs? How come they got raped by a bunch spear chucking Papuan natives?
+--- 57886762
+>>57886572
+>bunch spear chucking Papuan natives
+That's the problem, they expected dried grass as a weapon
+--- 57886821
+>>57879472
+Chinks always think that paying bribes gives them influence and then they impotently seethe and cry when the bribed party pulls a Bane and asks if they feel in charge.
+--- 57887631
+>>57876950
+Proofs?
+--- 57887781
+>>57882761
+My sides, of course
+--- 57888081
+Kill jawakadrun. Behead jawakadrun. Roundhouse kick a jawakadrun into the concrete. Slam dunk a jawakadrun baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy jawak. Defecate in a jawakadrun food. Launch jawakadrun into the sun. Stir fry jawakadrun in a wok. Toss jawakadrun into active volcanoes. Urinate into a jawakadrun gas tank. Judo throw jawakadrun into a wood chipper. Twist jawakadrun heads off. Report jawakadrun to the IRS. Karate chop jawakadrun in half. Curb stomp pregnant jawakadrun. Trap jawakadrun in quicksand. Crush jawakadrun in the trash compactor. Liquefy jawakadrun in a vat of acid. Eat jawakadrun. Dissect jawakadrun. Exterminate jawakadrun in the gas chamber. Stomp jawakadrun skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate jawakadrun in the oven. Lobotomize jawakadrun. Mandatory abortions for jawakadrun. Grind jawakadrun fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown jawakadrun in fried chicken grease. Vaporize jawakadrun with a ray gun. Kick old jawakadrun down the stairs. Feed jawakadrun to alligators. Slice jawakadrun with a katana.
+--- 57888217
+>>57875029 (OP)
+
+>Jakarta decided to send reinforcement 
+>Transported Army Special Forces General alongside squadron of premier Tier-1 Kopassus, Satgas, Detachment -88 and Kopaska operators on Indonesian Air Force B-737
+>Immediately crash 
+
+How?
+--- 57888279
+>>57875029 (OP)
+one race the human race
+--- 57888430
+>>57887631
+>proofs
+
+For which bit, the hostage or nothing interesting happening in Indonesia? Here’s a link about the hostage and this current shitshow.
+
+https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65295678.amp
+--- 57888977
+https://en.tempo.co/read/1716228/tni-denies-9-soldiers-killed-by-armed-group-in-nduga-papua
+
+The Indonesian National Army (TNI) denied claims by an armed criminal group that they had killed nine TNI soldiers during an attack in Nduga, Papua on Saturday, April 15, 2023. Head of the TNI Information Center Rear Admiral Julius Widjojono said that soldiers who had been separated because of the attack had begun to be able to regroup with their units.
+
+"The current development is very positive, the troops have started to gather," Julius said via text message on Monday, April 17, 2023.
+
+Julius said that the TNI continues to maintain communication with field personnel to gather information about the development of the situation. Julius said that the TNI is still recording the number of personnel who managed to regroup with their units.
+
+The Raider Infantry Battalion 321/Galuh Taruna was attacked by an armed group in Nduga on Saturday, April 15, 2023. The team was approaching the location where Susi Air pilot Philip Mark Marthens had been taken hostage by the armed groups on February 7 this year.
+
+The TNI said that it lost one of its soldiers, First Private Miftahul Arifin, who took a shot and fell 15 meters into a ravine.
+
+Meanwhile, the West Papua National Liberation Army-Free Papua Organization (TPNPB-OPM) claimed they shot dead nine TNI members during the attack. The TPNPB-OPM spokesman Sebby Sambom also claimed that they had stolen nine weapons from the TNI.
+
+Julius said that Sebby's claim was a lie and asked the public not to believe it. Julius said that the Commander of the Indonesian National Armed Forces, Admiral Yudo Margono, is currently visiting Papua to meet face-to-face with troops and they will hold a press conference.
+--- 57889036
+>>57888279
+Did we found the missing link between apes and humans?
+--- 57889051
+>>57875029 (OP)
+RAISE THE MORNING STAR
+--- 57889165
+>>57878040
+highly politicized
+>>57878079
+lolno Australia supports Jakartas imperialism and crimes
+>>57878101
+trained by US and Australia
+>>57878272
+I love that some them go into battle in their traditional native garb and even use bows
+these are people will never ever give up on independence
+/k/ can be tacticool and prepped and be grey man and have go bag all day long but this is what it really looks like
+>>57878397
+Indonesia and Western multinationals has been raping West Papua of resources for decades
+Same thing happened with East Timors demographics during its occupation
+>>57879472
+>decades ago
+they were doing it in the 2000s
+>>57881137
+The Papuans are a mixture of Lutherans and traditional animist beliefs
+It is the Indonesians who go around raping
+>>57881224
+According to Peter Dunns book Timor: A People Betrayed in the first ~two years of Indonesias occupation of East Timor they may have lost as many as 5,000 troops to the Timorese resistance movements insurgency
+Units were having to be rotated out after just a few months due to low morale, commanders were making deals with local cells to not go on patrol in exchange for not being attacked
+>>57882761
+Also according to the book in the paradrop on Dili most of the Indonesian troops landed in the harbor and drowned
+And the regular troops that did make it into the city were more concerned about looting and raping the Chinese district
+>>57886572
+Corruption and nepotism
+Control and placement in of different elements of the Indonesian military has more to do with Jakartas wealthy families and blocs than actual qualification and ability
+--- 57889218
+>>57880988
+Asking the important question.
+--- 57889228
+>57889165
+you are a retard
+--- 57889240
+>>57888279
+>>57889036
+Australian Aborginals, Torres Straight Islanders, Papuans, and Solomon Islanders all descend from Dravidians
+--- 57889256
+>>57875029 (OP)
+why is he wearing a monkey mask?
+--- 57889258
+>>57889165
+>According to Peter Dunns book Timor: A People Betrayed in the first ~two years of Indonesias occupation of East Timor they may have lost as many as 5,000 troops to the Timorese resistance movements insurgency
+>Units were having to be rotated out after just a few months due to low morale, commanders were making deals with local cells to not go on patrol in exchange for not being attacked
+With the situation spiraling out of control like that the Indonesians probably would have become amendable to a negotiated withdrawal if the West had politely and firmly suggested it
+Instead the Great Humanitarian Jimmy Carter authorized a new arms package that included OV-10 Broncos and napalm to strike the mountainous interior of Timor where rebels had made their bases and many refugees had fled
+--- 57889271
+do the West Papuans use Phantom Shields like in PNG?

k/57875883.txt

@@ -70,3 +70,339 @@ I am not seeing ERA on Fat Man or Little Boy. I am disappointed in the lack of i
 --- 57879313
 >>57876266
 That's nice
+--- 57879670
+>>57879284
+--- 57879680
+>>57879670
+>ERA teeth
+Cyberpunk as fuck.
+--- 57879700
+No era toyota pickemup trucks?
+--- 57879978
+Polish aid has arrived. No need for ERA, is perfect already.
+--- 57880109
+>>57880087
+>Centurii-chan
+--- 57880113
+I need the one where they put ERA on either a jet or a tank and the german takes out a gun
+--- 57880120
+>>57880113
+This one?
+--- 57880130
+>>57880120
+perfect
+but isnt there one way less detailed ?
+--- 57880132
+>>57879978
+Complete with historically-accurate plop of horse shit.
+--- 57880174
+who are these and why are they everywhere
+--- 57880213
+>>57880204
+>meme about how Ukrainians are slavshits and don't understand how to properly use the gear they're being given
+>someone HATO propaganda
+--- 57880284
+>>57880213
+Sure m8, slavshits, don't understand, yada-yada
+Try to force this shit all you want, it still won't change the fact that
+A) ERA is good. Even ancient Kontakt 1 improves protection quite substantially, and Nizh is basically a 1-Up for tanks
+B) ERA'd Leo did not have any additional armor packages, so extra protection was very much needed
+C) "slavshits" have a functioning MIC while being at war with "world's second army". All your shithole managed to do was turning on some microwaves without doors and shooting down a bomber that flew over the same spot for 1000th time
+--- 57880329
+Russia did it better
+--- 57880400
+>>57880329
+>the fucking scooby-doo van with ERA
+speechless
+--- 57880621
+>>57880204
+>>57880284
+>My politics precludes me from having fun or allowing fun ever
+I pity you.
+--- 57880845
+>>57880204
+>no fun allowed
+--- 57880887
+>>57878784
+--- 57881014
+>>57875883 (OP)
+The captured T-90M at Bovington already has ERA
+--- 57881205
+>>57881014
+>not double stacking ERA on your ERA
+--- 57881236
+>>57876266
+Must you sexualize EVERYTHING?
+--- 57881277
+>>57880284
+lol, calm down.
+--- 57881324
+>>57881277
+I just can't stand this faggot, dude. His every post on this board is "muh slavshits"
+--- 57881410
+>>57876266
+>>57876941
+They look like they fuck Americans instead of Europeans who has been supporting them more than any other party in the war.
+--- 57881649
+>>57877549
+>>57877384
+>real women have lots of fucked up bits if you look closely
+>but its not ok when AI does it
+--- 57881669
+>>57880329
+Do you think they know the ERA will kill them and just don't care because anything that sets it off will kill them anyway?
+--- 57881699
+>>57881324
+Just stop being a slavshit. Easy.
+--- 57881803
+>>57881324
+Just grow thicker skin, fag
+--- 57881895
+>>57880204
+are you crying?
+--- 57881916
+>>57881410
+They fuck eachother
+--- 57881939
+>>57881236
+yes
+--- 57881951
+If you put ERA bricks on a WW2 tank, like a Sherman or a Panzer, would they stand a chance against an RPG?
+--- 57881957
+>>57880204
+I thought it was originally a vatnik meme to make fun of ukies for using "cope bricks"
+
+t. in a friend group with a pro-RU artist who is among the first one to draw these
+--- 57881970
+>>57876266
+>everything has to be sexualized into a woman
+No wonder this site is overran with troons
+--- 57881972
+>>57881957
+I thought russians slapped ERA on everything as well
+--- 57881994
+>>57881970
+Nigger how new are you?
+--- 57882002
+>>57881972
+Yea i thought that was funny too, wanted to point that out to her but I don't wanna be rude
+--- 57882132
+>>57880329
+Jesus christ Obama, you've really done it this time!
+--- 57882172
+>>57881957
+>in a friend group with a pro-RU artist
+Kill him. 
+Then yourself. 
+Do it.
+--- 57882173
+>>57881970
+>getting upset
+>at rule34
+>something as old as 4chan itself
+--- 57882181
+>>57881957
+>pro-RU artist
+How mentally ill are they in general?
+--- 57882194
+>>57882173
+Um sweaty that's rule 63
+--- 57882217
+>>57882172
+It's not up to me dude, the place is just a hangout group that welcomes basically any weapons/militaria nerds, not unlike /k/
+
+>>57882181
+They're usually pretty high on copium, it's kinda sad
+--- 57882264
+>>57880204
+Would you like some monkey Putin? Russians raping each other? Or the battleship turret welded on a APC?
+--- 57882295
+>>57879978
+>that pile of shit
+CLEAN IT UP JANNY
+--- 57882343
+>>57881957
+It started out as an joke on r/noncredibledefense about Ukrainian modifications of western donated tanks, I think.
+--- 57882516
+>>57882407
+The Ukrainians show promise.
+--- 57882523
+>https://youtu.be/DK5s--KSmrc [Embed]
+So what is /k/ weapon for the war of meme?
+--- 57882638
+>>57876266
+YES
+
+>>57881236
+YES
+--- 57882667
+>>57881410
+Retard
+--- 57882855
+>>57882523
+underrated comment
+--- 57882900
+>>57882343
+Yup. First everyone joked that Leos are gonna get ERA'd the moment they cross the border, then a photo of ERA'd Leo appeared, and everyone lost their minds
+--- 57883114
+>>57882343
+>>57882900
+As far as I know this was the first.
+--- 57883128
+>>57883114
+Love this shit
+--- 57883275
+You might to want to save some images from this thread before it dies:
+>>57846570 →
+>>57846681 →
+>>57846710 →
+>>57846738 →
+>>57846856 →
+>>57846891 →
+>>57846922 →
+>>57846979 →
+>>57847052 →
+
+shameless plug
+>>57847455 →
+--- 57883313
+I was under the impression that ERA bricks stopped being effective against anti-tank missiles made in the 80s. Unlike an APS which MIGHT stop an anti-tank missile...made in the 90s.
+--- 57883342
+>Alternative reality where Russian tanks have APS
+--- 57883400
+>>57883313
+Depends on the model, the more common Kontakt 1 is mostly only good for dealing with old fashioned HEAT warheads like what an RPG-7 is normally equipped with, however it's ineffective against tandem warhead designs. Supposedly Russian Relikt is supposed to defend against tandem warhead by being a two stage design
+--- 57883511
+>>57883114
+That's the first with the sockpuppet guys. But there have been photoshops floating around of Abrams/Leo2s with digital camo, Kontakt-1, and Maxim guns on them for months.
+--- 57883620
+>>57883128
+>that turret in the background
+*chef's kiss*
+--- 57883846
+>>57881324
+Lurk moar dumb slavfag
+--- 57883857
+>>57883128
+>>57883620
+Fuck'n saved!
+I will never stop laughing at these
+--- 57883898
+>>57882002
+ah 'cmon bro, srsl
+--- 57883987
+>>57881236
+rule 34 newfag
+--- 57883988
+>>57882900
+>First everyone joked that Leos are gonna get ERA'd
+maybe because Leo 2a4 is not armored good enough to protect on modern battlefield?
+>AAAAAAAAAAH, THEY ARE USING ADDITIONAL ARMOR PROTECTION ON TANKS, I"M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE
+--- 57885752
+>>57882523
+This is nice.
+--- 57886350
+>>57881970
+Would you prefer it if it was sexualized into a man?
+--- 57886365
+>>57880120
+>RED SUN
+>RED SUN OVER PARADISE
+--- 57886379
+>>57886365
+Meant for
+>>57880087
+--- 57886392
+>>57882132
+Vatniks stole his melanin.
+Can't have shit in Bakhmut.
+--- 57886426
+>>57886333
+ERA could have prevented this.
+--- 57886482
+>>57882523
+I could sense Otto Carius looking down and smiling as he watched this
+--- 57886497
+>>57886426
+prove this wrong
+--- 57886536
+>>57881410
+>They look like they fuck Americans
+...Because they have big thighs?
+--- 57886602
+>>57876266
+>>57876941
+
+why do i want r34 of them so badly
+--- 57887309
+>>57886673
+Behead those who disrespect the /k/ube
+--- 57887507
+>>57887309
+Brother, they're adding more weapons to it. If anything they're glorifying the /k/ube further by making it more explodey.
+--- 57887685
+>>57875883 (OP)
+>>57876006
+>>57876266
+>>57877604
+>>57876941
+>>57878784
+>>57879670
+>>57880087
+>>57880120
+I think the art is kinda fun looking but I don't understand what these things are or what makes it funny to glue them to everything. 
+I understand that they are a kind of armor. So if you stick them to a tank does that give it more armor? Which is a good thing?
+I'm a revolver and bolt action nerd. I know fuck all about tanks or planes so I don't understand why putting these little green squares on tanks and planes is so funny.
+--- 57887769
+>>57887685
+Explosive Reactive Armor. Each brick has a layer of explosives which detonate when hit by anti-tank weapons. The energy will cause the flyer plates to disrupt the projectile or HEAT jet, adding effective armor without having to bolt heavy steel or composite to an already heavy vehicle.
+--- 57887792
+>>57887685
+They are little bombs that dissipate and prematurely detonate incoming explosives.
+They do work, but they are a little ridiculous and can be impractical or dangerous without proper armor. They'll also gib friendlies standing nearby.
+--- 57887814
+>>57887685
+>>57887792
+There are also what's called "tandem warheads", where someone has slapped an ERA brick onto the tip of the missile to detonate enemy ERA bricks before they can explode the missile.
+--- 57887977
+>>57887814
+yeah that's assuming they have an RPG-29 ready
+>>57887792
+Ukraine also has an ERA for kinetic penetrators but idk if it works https://youtu.be/qWgXC6PZx2c?t=102 [Embed]
+the ERA module itself is smaller than Kontakt-1 and fits within the readily available Kontakt-1 cover, so we never really know what they're throwing on the tanks.
+--- 57888034
+>>57881236
+--- 57888646
+>>57879670
+--- 57888929
+>>57886333
+--- 57889297
+>>57886497
+Ooarai found new ways to launch armor.
+--- 57889335
+>>57875883 (OP)
+--- 57889443
+>>57882523
+Amazing
+--- 57889474
+>>57882343
+>>57882900
+Western tenks hab era too
+--- 57889588
+>>57889474
+proofs?
+--- 57889635
+>>57887792
+To be more specific, current conventional ERA works best when the plates sandwiching the explosive are moved in such a way that they constantly move new material into the path of a superplastic metal jet or long rod projectile. The general concept can be called the "mass-flux model". Thought of another way, this essentially like taking obstructive material from a wide area, and concentrating it exactly where the penetrator hits, making it much more effective for the weight. 
+
+In theory this consumes valuable energy and forms interruptions in the case of superplastic jets, and the same in rigid penetrators along with the potential of inducing catastrophic vibrations, shear and breakage. (Last I checked there where also some potential experimental types of ERA that make use of linear shaped charges to essentially try to cut penetrators to pieces)
+
+While somehow destroying the liner of the incoming EFP warhead before the jet has a chance to fully form would be ideal, I am dubious about how often that would actually happen.The fuse on the EFP warhead is going to be more sensitive than the ERA and get triggered first.
+
+It should also be noted that the further away from the tank the ERA is (standoff), the more the effects of disrupting the various penetrators can significantly play out before the remains hit the main armor. Basically, the further away the the ERA is the better. 
+
+Science informed /k/ommandos know that ERA should go on top of cope cages.
+--- 57889761
+>>57886392
+--- 57889769
+>>57882523

k/57876662.txt

@@ -52,3 +52,109 @@ You mean wool hats, SSh-40s, Mosin-Nagants and PPSHs.
 --- 57878518
 >>57877629
 What’s this from?
+--- 57879863
+>>57876773
+Kino can still be found in pictures but the problem is that the vast majority of russians fighting now are Wagner and they all wear some ugly universal camo not EMR.
+--- 57880317
+>>57879863
+>the vast majority of russians fighting now are Wagner
+Sure? I thought they were running out of prisoners and can't recruit any more
+--- 57880327
+>>57880317
+I meant that the majority of combat footage from Russians side is from Wagner. idk what are you talking about tbqh
+--- 57880334
+>>57880327
+
+thats already ended a week ago
+
+they are mostly russian mobiks and regulars now fighting in bakhmut
+
+wagner is kaput
+--- 57880350
+>>57880334
+don't take your info from UK intelligence. They really are the least intelligent intelligence in Europe. They only thing they ever got right was predicting the approximate date of the invasion which they got from USA.
+--- 57880431
+>>57880350
+
+It's not. Even the ukranians and ukranian telegrams are saying it
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9tlltpImVQ [Embed]
+--- 57880447
+>>57880431
+I'm confused. Why would I take one side's opinion on the matter? But honestly it doesn't matter. let's not derail the thread.
+--- 57881641
+>>57876858
+--- 57881861
+>>57876858
+I only have this one
+--- 57881866
+>>57876823
+>>57881641
+>>57881641
+lolwtf
+--- 57881981
+>>57880431
+Wagner storm battalions (cannon fodder) isn't exclusive to prisoners. Like the normal military they also have contractors sign up for high risk positions for big salaries compared to whatever they have around their shithole village. I dont think there are mobilized on the flanks or inside of Bakhmut I'm under the understanding that these guys are preparing defenses for the coming offensive.
+Though I have seen mobilized being sent into the fire somewhere on the Donetsk axis so idk. Those guys seemed to have fucked up military papers and no official standing though so this seems to be more of a product of Russian fuckups rather than their actual plan
+--- 57882038
+>>57876662 (OP)
+Where legg
+--- 57882060
+>>57877629
+>even in drawings girkin is perpetually sitting just to the left of a flag with a troubled look
+--- 57882200
+>>57882124
+>We are actually going to see this in our lifetime
+
+Maybe this is the good timeline after all
+--- 57882220
+>>57881861
+--- 57882352
+>>57882220
+>>57881861
+Reminds me of that black & white globohomo art /pol/ seems to always ramble about.
+--- 57882853
+>>57882220
+>>57881641
+>>57881861
+>>57876823
+Absolute kino
+--- 57882863
+>>57876823
+W-why?
+--- 57882926
+>>57882863
+One man's autistic fetish is another's kino
+--- 57883044
+>>57878385
+>if a unit uses AK-74's, they tend to have optics of some sort
+I've barely seen any in the entire war
+--- 57883769
+>>57882124
+Tankers are truly blind
+--- 57883899
+Does anyone know the sauce of the image? Reverse image search turns up nothing
+--- 57884805
+>>57876662 (OP)
+VDV zisters....I don't feel so good...
+--- 57885635
+>>57882124
+Fuck me, that looks completely like my village.
+Maybe its good that the cold war never went hot.
+--- 57885675
+>>57885635
+what country?
+--- 57887227
+>>57876662 (OP)
+--- 57887266
+>>57876662 (OP)
+>Missing a leg
+Apt
+--- 57887285
+>>57877629
+Wtf, this shoot looks like an illustration from those 90s military info books.. who tf is making these?
+--- 57889023
+>>57882564
+Who are these guys supposed to be?
+--- 57890628
+>>57876662 (OP)

k/57877001.txt

@@ -75,3 +75,174 @@ Shot placement needs to be really taught more to soldiers and law enforcement. A
 --- 57878935
 >>57877344
 Yeah looks like first 5 shots were all in the diaphragm area, he was probably struggling to breath but definitely not down for the count. Was probably gonna die eventually what but the last one put him down immediately
+--- 57880610
+>>57877001 (OP)
+>Sign in to confirm age
+Youtube, me signing up with an email and saying I'm 69 is no different from me just saying I'm 69. Stop trying to make me sign up just to artificially inflate your user statistics during the quarterly report.
+--- 57880790
+>On social media, several friends and family members have expressed their anger over the shooting, saying police were called to help Murphy.
+>"There's zero reason for them to shoot him like they did," one woman commented.
+>"I'm beyond words right now. Dylan Murphy was an absolute awesome, down to earth guy who wouldn't harm a fly! I will miss you so much bro," one man wrote.
+>His sister, Laecie Horn, has now watched that video of her brother’s death several times. “He was a good human. That’s it. He really was a good man, good little brother,” she said.” She said Dylan battled addiction and mental health issues, which is why her other brother KC called police on that night, March 26th.
+>The sister continues, “That officer clearly fired another shot with his lights on,” she said. “He shoots another round into my brother who I clearly know at this point from seeing their footage that he was already dead. I wanna know specifically why the officers that I gave all that trust to specifically I didn’t go crazy this whole entire time, I trusted them. I waited for the footage to come out before I made any type of assumptions, and I’ve seen how crazy my brother was but then they doctored stuff.” (This is in relation to a RING camera footage, the two "didn't add up" and she's complaining about discrepancies in the police's accountability) 
+
+>>57877743
+If only the officer had a .45
+--- 57881337
+That’s pretty normal desu. Almost every police shooting video I see, the cops are magdumping. When they have rifles though, it’s usually one or two shots.
+
+Also, the guy behaves and sounds as though he’s on drugs, so if that first burst of shots hit him, it could explain why he didn’t go down. It’s that or the cop missed entirely.
+--- 57881681
+>>57880790
+> think brother may be suicidal
+> surprised when he charges the armed men you requested to pick him up so he can _gasp_ commit suicide
+I'm not a total asshole. I understand we don't really have much of an alternative when you need help for someone planning violence to themselves or others. But you cannot act indignant and surprised when the most plausible outcome occurs.
+--- 57881968
+>>57881681
+I remember the Ronnie mcnutt suicide video. Someone watching the stream was concerned and call the cops, and they barged in right after he blew his head off. I scratched my head thinking what exactly are cops supposed to do in that situation, had they gotten there in time.. “hey don’t shoot yourself, or else... or else we’ll shoot you!”.
+
+Suicidal men are the only truly free people in the world. they’re free of biological imperatives at that point, and can’t be threatened with anything.
+--- 57881979
+>>57877160
+drugs do not help your survive rapid arterial blood loss. drugs are not a berserk pack
+--- 57884026
+>>57881979
+All evidence from police encountering belligerent drug addicts seems to contradict your post.
+--- 57884362
+>>57884026
+Police are often garbage shots. Drugs reduce the likelihood of psychological stops which is what happens when your aim is shit and you hit people 5 times in the intestines and legs. So if you are incompetent and your gun is more pain compliance tool than lethal implement then drugs might be a really great excuse for why you suck ass.
+
+I’ve seen nothing to suggest that they greatly change the level of oxygen your brain needs to function on a cellular and molecular level which is where physical stops usually come from. Hell half the police shootings where nothing remarkable happens probably involve druggies anyway.
+--- 57884390
+>>57884362
+Isn't there a webm of a dude walking forward gnashing his teeth like a demon while being shot multiple times in the chest?
+--- 57884457
+>>57884390
+He was not stated to be on drugs as I recall.
+
+The blood already in the capillaries of the brain can sometimes sustain a couple seconds of action after circulatory flow ceases. Couple that with the fact that the cop was firing at a rather sedentary pace (and may have missed the first few shots due to his retarded gangsta one handed shooting) and handgun bullets do not generally destroy the heart or lungs with a single shot. Takes a couple seconds for the cop to do enough damage to shut down his blood flow, then a few more for his brain timer to run out, and he drops.
+--- 57884738
+>>57884457
+And to be clear, aortic output will likely be reduced almost immediately after the first shot to the thoracic cavity. The successive shots increasingly cripple the cardiovascular system until the onset of cerebral hypoxia has reached its maximum rate and the brain receives no fresh blood at all. So technically the timer “starts” from the first chest shot but it counts down a lot faster as the heart and lungs are increasingly damaged.
+
+With all this in mind, said shootee might be said to have lasted an exceptionally long time (maybe about 2.5 seconds at continuously decreasing levels of partial circulatory function and another 2-3 after the system has stopped working) considering most people probably only have a second or so of meaningful standing capability after their brain stops getting more blood, but it is not really outside the realm of what we would expect to be theoretically possible.
+--- 57884845
+>>57877160
+>drugs
+People always assume drugs in these situations, I've done a lot of drugs and seen a lot of people do drugs, I've never seen any that do this.
+--- 57885028
+>>57877574
+Damn, if only there was some sort of solution to mediocre shot placement. If only modern technology could provide us with some sort of mechanism to increase volume of fire or assist with aiming.
+Does anyone make tracers for 4.6×30mm?
+--- 57885113
+Can you really be executed for the crime of walking toward a cop unarmed? What socialist police state is this from?
+--- 57885698
+>>57885113
+lmao.
+In China, people argue with the cops all the damn time. It's normal. Even if things get violent, nobody is executed in the street. (And, in fact, nobody at all would be executed for the crime of assaulting a cop.) 
+In the USA, you had better behave VERY carefully around Cops. Or they'll just murder you on the spot.
+"Land of the free."
+--- 57885710
+>>57877743
+A common pistol cartrige like the 9mm paraplegic, 45 anti coloured people, 357 magCock or the 40 Onions and W0ke do not match the kinetic energy of a rifle caliber , even something "relatively weak" (in terms of rifle calibers) like a 556 or even 30 carbine, . 9mil has about 400 ish ftlbs , 357 mag has almost 800 from the allmighty buffalo bore pissinhot loads (but that is the high end of energy from available ammo from "who knows" which barrellenght),
+ A standard 556 round has 1300 ish ftlbs. It is easy to imagine which one can potentially do more tissue damage (in width and lenght) WITH A DECENT PROJECTILE choice.
+Also a pistol is much more difficult to accurately and rapidly shoot then a gun with a buttstock.
+Here is a Video comparing 9mm fmj, 9mm hollowpoint, and 55 grain 556 ball from a 13.7 inch barrel (supressor is pinned so "not an sbr"). The optimal barrellenght for a 556 semiauto rifle is somewhere around 20 inches which means the 556 could easily be more effective
+https://youtu.be/905iE1gIP1c [Embed]
+--- 57885970
+>>57885698
+It’s the natural result of the police facing no-consequences 
+
+Why shouldn’t a cop just murder somebody because she’s being annoying? There’s no consequences for doing so. Just claim you feared for your life and you’ll get off Scott free
+--- 57887394
+Now imagine the perp wearing class IVs. Dick plate under the navel class IV helmet, side plates. Front and back plates. Imagine how much longer he could have lasted. 
+
+At that point the new "center of mass" becomes the face/neck. At that point you must hit the apricot. 
+
+Perp becomes unstoppable when wearing a diamond age faceplate.
+--- 57887455
+>>57887394
+People who do this much drugs would just sell the plates right away for more dope and they suck at sustained cardio.
+--- 57887503
+>>57877724
+>the coroner has their own vehicle for that.
+In my town, the coroner drives a Prius. EMS transports bodies (dead or alive).
+--- 57888259
+>>57885710
+>45 anti colored people 
+Only used in brother wars
+>40 Onions and Woke
+Not onions or onions enough for the modern age.
+>357 magCock
+>9mm paraplegic
+>muh rifles
+Yeah
+>>57885698
+Here's your (You) Chang
+--- 57888326
+>>57888259
+its only game. why you have to be mad?
+--- 57888573
+>>57877001 (OP)
+so having to shoot someone 7 times in a row to kill them in resident evil 4 remake is actually realistic interesting
+--- 57888617
+>>57884390
+Yeah
+--- 57889101
+>>57885970
+yea if police didn't have qualified immunity they would be opened up to a whole new level of scrutiny both civil and criminally.
+--- 57889422
+>>57877001 (OP)
+I think you don't realize how ineffective pistols are
+--- 57889434
+>>57877244
+>he was attempting to get help
+I doubt that.
+--- 57889504
+That’s why you carry a .45 yeup
+--- 57889536
+>>57877001 (OP)
+Despite what you've seen in movies the 12 or so years you've been alive bullets aren't magic off switches
+--- 57889555
+>>57885970
+>>57885698
+unless youre black. how dare you then.
+--- 57889573
+>>57880790
+When will morons learn that police are not social services?
+--- 57889649
+>>57888617
+Dang, get that sheriff some .44 magnums
+--- 57890863
+>>57888259
+What is your point?
+You have not offered a counterpoint , expanded on the topic, you
+Seemingly have not even attempted to be funny either, you only autistically screach 
+>brother waaar
+ >muh rifles
+What is YOUR point
+--- 57891036
+>>57877001 (OP)
+You've obviously never worked as an EMT in Detroit. Druggies taking 5-10 rounds to go down because they are so blasted on drugs that their bodies do not register pain are very much a real thing and unsettling as fuck the first few times you see it happen.
+--- 57891049
+>>57890863
+The only autist is you and that overly defensive retard that I originally replied too. I didnt even shit on 9mm just the fags that get worked up even when no one is seriously shitting on it.
+--- 57891127
+>>57884738
+People certain do die when shot in the heart, but that's not the full picture. People black out after being shot even if the heart, surrounding major arteries and lungs are fine. The brain only runs out of oxygen like 10 minutes after the heart stops. People fall down after being shot because of blood loss, primarily. The rapid loss of blood pressure causes fainting. Then the arteries collapse as bleeding continues. The heart stops, then the brain cells begin dying. 
+
+As a fun side note you can actually keep someone with extreme blood loss alive for a while longer if you can inject some fluid into their circulatory system. Blood, water, coconut milk, etc. Anything for the heart to continue pumping and support the arteries.
+--- 57891222
+>>57889649
+More like a billyclub. Almost all of these suicide by cop situations could be resolved by beating them with a stout piece of wood until they stop resisting and get the cuffs slapped on. 
+Taking away nightsticks from cops was fucking retarded and the whole reason for cop shootings going up. 
+Give em billy clubs and institute hard height/fitness/BMI limits, I don't care how many languages officer rosalita speaks.
+--- 57891283
+>>57877001 (OP)
+I work in house security at a Healthcare system. We have to fight people like this. I have released my dog on two separate occasions and they guys absorbed the bite, still got taken down by the dogs weight/inertia, and gone on to fight 3-4 of us on the ground with the dog still on their arm. 
+They don't respond to pain compliance, have no fear, and do not gas out. Working at a hospital is fucked because handcuffs aren't considered a medical restraint and we have to fight them until we get them on a bed and into hard restraints. Fentanyl/meth or heroin/meth make these monsters. The medications like b52s etc don't work. I've seen them get hit with presidex (sp?) and still keep fighting the meds as they're being intubated. We have k9 and tactical teams where I work and the shit I've seen is insane. I couldn't imagine running into one of these mf'ers on the street, alone, with a broken radio and back up miles away.
+--- 57891643
+>>57877001 (OP)
+How does it get decided whether to start off with nonlethal or go straight to lethal? Is it officer discretion? 
+
+Also that panicked shuffle at 2:07 when he debates if he's dealing with a zombie outbreak lmao

k/57877260.txt

@@ -156,3 +156,133 @@ really?
 --- 57879594
 >>57877260 (OP)
 Bocchi needs breeding correction
+--- 57880182
+>>57877757
+Uteropodes.
+--- 57880724
+>>57879594
+Bocchi the mating press until pregnant
+--- 57880736
+>>57879594
+>>57880724
+How big of a family you want with Bocchi?
+--- 57880742
+>>57880736
+3 kids at minimum
+--- 57880754
+>>57880742
+Her breast can feed so many kids.
+--- 57880771
+>>57879553
+Yeah. As that other anon said, the usual treatment for hysteria (and back in the day, pretty much everything was diagnosed as hysteria when it came to women) was a genital massage. Some doctor got tired of fingerbanging women to climax and invented the first vibrator to do it for him.
+--- 57880881
+>>57877260 (OP)
+Bocchi the crosspost
+--- 57880890
+>>57877567
+>posts dragon ball z 
+Argument Invalid 
+I'm not making rules here
+--- 57880907
+>>57877260 (OP)
+Yes, they can. But no, they won't.
+--- 57880914
+>>57877260 (OP)
+I want to sex Bocchi in the pussy.
+--- 57880929
+>>57880182
+I prefer Uterussies
+--- 57881147
+>>57877260 (OP)
+are we talking girls girls or girls with female penises?
+--- 57881174
+>>57877856
+shut the fuck up you retarded imbecile. 
+you never go infront of the muzzle and since that is only firing a blank there are no moving parts of the carriage that can hurt you while being behind of it.
+faggot gtfo
+--- 57881262
+>>57878479
+Most adults I know who still like dragon ball are mentally stunted
+--- 57881351
+>>57877678
+Why are spics obsessed with torturing people?
+--- 57881362
+>>57878510
+>those commas
+ESL.
+--- 57881376
+>>57880771
+Just like my hentai
+--- 57881513
+>>57877729
+I thought trains went 41mph
+--- 57881524
+>>57877260 (OP)
+They can't, just like women don't fart.
+--- 57881691
+>>57880771
+>women going to the hospital was just an excuse to cum
+easy mode
+--- 57881738
+>>57877567
+Based
+--- 57881801
+>>57877260 (OP)
+Yes. Not very well though.
+--- 57881989
+>>57877273
+I never knew I wanted to go out like this.
+--- 57882058
+>>57877567
+WTF, I suddenly love moe?
+--- 57883040
+>>57879553
+>>57878072
+--- 57884996
+>>57880742
+--- 57886285
+>>57878510
+can I hire you to write speeches for me? That is excellent.
+--- 57887031
+i like it when she makes the squiggly face
+--- 57887061
+>>57883040
+women truly are the biggest coomers
+--- 57887231
+>>57877260 (OP)
+Maybe
+--- 57888205
+Why do they all lean backward to an exagerrated degree? Is it fear of recoil? Some biomechanical center of gravity thing?
+--- 57888399
+>>57877337
+HE SAID THEIR WOMBS WOULD FALL OUT
+--- 57888496
+>>57884996
+Cute desu
+--- 57889952
+>>57888399
+Why
+--- 57889960
+>>57880742
+Sex.
+--- 57890262
+>>57889952
+Because of the recoil
+--- 57890953
+>>57888205
+Well, they are more front-heavy
+--- 57891407
+Women can't fire the Apilas, because their womb would explode.
+--- 57891413
+>>57877567
+DragonChad I kneel
+--- 57891487
+>>57887061
+It takes more effort for them to coom
+--- 57891639
+>>57891407
+>because their womb would explode.
+Same reason women can't handle MY DICK!
+--- 57891648
+>>57877820
+based

k/57877370.txt

@@ -87,3 +87,112 @@ I think the original screencap DID say something about some possible threat and
 --- 57879512
 >>57877370 (OP)
 I would carry more than one gun, but I would bring my duke silver shotgun based on principle
+--- 57880954
+>>57877616
+It's supposed to be some kind of colony of bacteria with functioning human organs(brain?) that it keeps alive and it seems to use random trash it finds as a skeletal structure. So overall pretty original and pretty dumb at the same time, obviously chosen because it would be easy to render with software. 00 Buck would probably be best to break it apart.
+
+>>57878558
+>>57877961
+>>57877829
+The problem is they all want to get to the monster too quick and don't cut the footage to show the passage of time. None of them get to wander around for two days without water and realize "Jesus Christ I'm going to die in here aren't I?" just because there is nothing to drink.
+--- 57881291
+>>57879512
+Would you also bring your saxophone?
+--- 57883502
+>>57877370 (OP)
+1911
+--- 57883513
+>>57877379
+Yourself
+--- 57883560
+>>57877473
+based post, idol shows are awful
+--- 57883584
+>>57881291
+Gotta be ready for surprise free-form jazz battles
+--- 57883770
+>>57880954
+>Nothing personnel stickfag
+--- 57883824
+>>57877370 (OP)
+Breed bocchi.
+--- 57883920
+>>57877946
+I work in a shopping centre and I feel the same when I use the "Staff Only" fire escape accessways to take shortcuts. It's really eerie walking down the silent long empty rabbit warren of corridors.
+--- 57883956
+>>57883770
+I like how it mentions covid like it’s dante from the devil may cry series
+--- 57884202
+>>57883956
+Lel
+--- 57884367
+>>57877829
+>>57877878
+Truly this. It's a shame that Kane Pixels has some cool ideas, the will and the dedication to create something out of a creepypasta but FUCK I hate how seemingly so many people take away the worst parts of it as "the best parts"
+
+Like every instance where he had videos in that old corporate/low-budget documentarian style with long, long static shots of the actual spaces, or just people wandering with the ambience, those were nice. However, as these anons said for some fucking retarded reason most young people, even though they agree about liking the idea and the creepiness, turn it into only watching the videos with monsters and jumpscares. And conversely, now more of the content is focused on the big happenings and muh plot instead of feeling like an even more dead Black Mesa or something. Hell I'm not even sure that it's truly zoomers who feel this way, it might be genuine children who lack the comprehension of a "disturbing space".. Idfk
+--- 57884376
+>>57877377
+fpbp
+--- 57884428
+Just this.
+--- 57884564
+>>57877370 (OP)
+Magic gun or some shit idk.
+--- 57884915
+>>57877473
+Stale pasta but I’m really starting to like the trope of associating Dragonball with counter-weeb “culture” (and in some cases bigotry). I should start watching Dragonball
+--- 57884955
+>>57877916
+That reminds me. I live in a flyover town that built a shopping mall pre-Recession and now half of it is closed down and I really wanna get a job there as a security guard so I can wander into the closed off areas at night
+--- 57886258
+>>57877829
+I think a cool concept would be that instead of "le mosnters!" The backrooms would be sparsely littered with items like coins, lint, and other things that just seem to disapear. Ever lost a sock? Well theres a 1 in X chance it clipped out. Maybe even skeletons.
+--- 57886299
+>>57877473
+Azumanga Daioh is great, though.
+--- 57886326
+>>57877829
+>slowly fade away from dehydration
+another fuck-you of the backrooms was that they were damp, just enough to let you feel wet and cold, but simply not enough to get water out of anything
+--- 57886354
+>>57879507
+the vague threat that you may not be alone is much more nerve wracking then an in-your-face-five nights at fuckbois fotm monster chasing you around 
+it's the uncertainty that is key here
+--- 57886361
+>>57884367
+>Hell I'm not even sure that it's truly zoomers who feel this way, it might be genuine children who lack the comprehension of a "disturbing space".. Idfk
+99% of viewers of horror-anything on the Internet, YouTube especially, are literal children to whom the genre itself (even when executing HILARIOUSLY shittily) is still incredibly novel and exciting because this is their first time experiencing anything like it.
+t. guy who grew up watching shit-tier YouTube "horror films" made with Zoo Tycoon 2 mods in 2007
+--- 57886499
+>>57883956
+--- 57886575
+>>57884915
+The abridged series is better than the source material
+--- 57886683
+If it's the fuck off uber quiet go mad and see shit backrooms? IDK if you'd want a gun. Suicide is the biggest bitch move you can make.
+
+Now if we're talking 'modern' backrooms with shit tons of monsters (that honestly make it less scary.) Then I'd yoink an AK. Probably some shitballin Wasr. 7.62 has good penetration even into weird fuck-ass monsters, you can carry more than a shotgun, an it's a nice compact rifle especially if you get a side-folder.
+--- 57888464
+>>57877370 (OP)
+Rooo
+--- 57888943
+>>57884367
+Probably actual kids considering the majority of backroom videos with huge views are the kind of shit that only kids would find entertaining.
+A big problem is most kids just don't really have a concept of fading away slowly, death is still a pretty foreign concept to most them on a pretty fundamental level and the idea of just slowly dying because you can't get something that's provided to them for free everyday just doesn't really exist, their sense of danger is still very rudimentary and pretty much only comprehends the big scary bad thing coming to get them. The backrooms got relatively popular but the main source of horror just didn't register with kids, until a big scary monster chasing you was thrown in.
+--- 57889060
+>>57888943
+Even the monster is done incorrectly, if I could talk to Kane who was a young guy apparently I'd tell him not to make the monster fast or strong, or at least not until it is years old and mature. I'd say you have to wander dozens of miles or maybe hundreds before running across a body that became a monster and if you did it should be a pathetic corpse thing. But you fell in unprepared and in most places there isn't even furniture to break down into a club. So you could fight it and get injured stomping it to death, but most people would walk away and it would follow you. But you need to sleep and it doesn't, you need water and it doesn't seem to or maybe can subsist on the moisture it finds leaking from pipes but you would sicken. The idea of the air being moldy and thus making you sick was a good edition at least but nobody is there long enough to make it matter. If a survivalist hiker fell in he might last for months and start feeding on others since there is almost no way out he's practically doing them a favor by drinking their blood and using the little untreated wood he found and stashed to jerk their flesh.
+--- 57889780
+The Rapist Gun
+--- 57889815
+>>57889060
+What are you on about mate
+--- 57889944
+>>57889815
+I'm giving an opinion about how you could make the setting focused more on the horror of being trapped in a shitty maze rather than a moaning pile of goo and bedsprings that chases you within fifteen minutes of getting into the maze. And some random asshole in the maze with a pistol or a hatchet would be more dangerous than the monsters, thereby adding a different kind of horror into the mix if you wanted that. It's not anything particularly original its just a little more depth than: fall into yellow corridors, monster screams, run.
+--- 57889986
+>>57877473
+Cgdctsisters?..
+--- 57890914
+Flame Thrower for Mr. Stickman, then a Semi-auto shotgun with slugs.

k/57877430.txt

@@ -321,3 +321,599 @@ there are people online who pretend to.
 There are some people who find them inoffensive, but they don't actively like the sequel trilogy, it is just one of the hundreds of "pretty good" movies they've seen. 
 
 No one actually likes the sequel trilogy.
+--- 57879767
+>>57879408
+> Oddly enough, I think the in-many-ways-made-for-marketing sequel trilogy with all its faults are better movies than the Lucas's-weirdo-creative-vision prequel trilogy
+I mean almost all movies are lol. At least the sequels looked and felt like movies and not like autistic industry-facing effects reels for ILM.
+--- 57879795
+>>57879536
+> there isn't a human alive who likes the sequel trilogy
+You realize that everyone said this about the prequel trilogy when you were still a dumbass poopy pants toddler right? And now there’s an army of shills for them. 
+
+ What do you think is gonna happen when all the babbies playing with the sequel toys now who don’t give a shit about all your astroturfed corporate culture wars get their own iPads like the prequel babbies did?
+--- 57879814
+>>57877744
+If you have to treat your own populace as the enemy, you might be a communist Gaylord.
+--- 57879839
+>>57877744
+> thanks Obama for making propagandizing the US people legal
+ the country was literally founded by publishers and propagandists lol it never wasn’t legal
+--- 57879858
+>>57879795
+no one will ever confuse this as an era with quality film
+for eternity, media from this era will be regarded as propagandistic and therefore artistically moot.
+--- 57879898
+>>57879814
+gaylord confirmed 
+>>57879839
+>the country was literally founded by publishers and propagandists lol it never wasn’t legal
+Smith-Mundt act nigger
+--- 57880131
+>>57877430 (OP)
+She's hot enough to convince me to die for Biden's crackhead son in Ukraine, but not hot enough to convince me to eat that slop.
+--- 57880196
+>>57877430 (OP)
+Obviously the vast majority of people who work in things that sound cool like Intel psyops PR and so on and even things like green door assignments are actually really boring if not fake and gay. Intel for instance has a bit of a reputation in the community. 
+
+That said stated and implicit policies are two different things.
+--- 57880225
+>>57877640
+But for our loss in Syria and Afghanistan I think we would be in a shooting war with Iran now as it stands morale is in the toilet and the American people are going to have to be let down easy on this whole Ukraine thing means either you're going to have to pay people more across the board and then they're not going to want to die, they'll just join but not die, or you're going to have to import a bunch of dumb people to die for them more likely. 
+
+You're going to see a bunch of Rob Ross stuff like they made in the arts with white Heroes and stuff unless non-white homosexual people because they're going to need those guys from the south and the Midwest to actually do the shooting part and the getting blown up part but I really don't think even action movies with guys that look like them are really going to undo the last 20 plus years of failure and Malice.
+--- 57880237
+>>57877655
+Meds and schizo started as a stock Anime Avatar kid response to being found out it's a zoomy thing and it started on Twitter.
+--- 57880252
+>>57877430 (OP)
+Western psyops are still primarily military operations-focused. For example in Afghanistan Psy-op teams were tasked with changing the locals' opinion on the taliban so they would rat out IED diggers. Russia and China have long been focused on the civilian side of the USA. A huge problem the US has in relation to psychological warfare reaching civilians is freedom of speech. Russia and China can, to a reasonable extent, shield their population of western influence because of their suppression of media and internet.
+--- 57880262
+>>57877849
+Generations all have a type of psychology and culture and even physiology that marks them out zoomers all look like genderless little hapas that snaps super hard into pop due to Instagram and the collapse of subcultures via hipsterism in the 2010s they're not exactly pretty people definitely not beautiful none of them but you can tell these people were exposed to hardcore pornography before they hit puberty the women every bit as much as the men
+--- 57880279
+>>57880252
+I think you're putting the card before the horse in relation to the whole Russia China propaganda thing
+--- 57880303
+>>57880279
+How so?
+--- 57880314
+>>57877430 (OP)
+demoralize enemy population, motivate friendly population.
+
+make friendlies seem like theyre doing better than they are if theyre doing badly or make them seem like they require more support and arent doing well if theyre doing 'too well'
+
+if you live in a country that is in any way relevant to any war even in a small part the entire image of said war on social media will be fake,heavily biased and misrepresented.
+
+never trust any news of any ongoing war or conflict and dont trust most stories about recent history. the more time passes the harder it becomes to keep up the psyop and the less interest is in it which is why you can get a more-or-less accurate image of stuff that happened half a century ago, anything more recent is all bullshit and bias
+--- 57880333
+>itoddler
+>schizo
+--- 57880336
+>>57880279
+>cart
+The USSR was feeding American schizos conspiracy theory stuff since the 60s
+Yeah, a lot of the particularly extreme American don't-trust-the-gubmint horseshit is rooted in 60-year-old Soviet psyops
+the irony...
+--- 57880414
+>>57880303
+Rather than doing stuff people like, scolding people for not liking the stuff you're doing, and for noticing other places do do stuff people like.
+--- 57880667
+>>57877430 (OP)
+Lujan is grade A rapemeat
+--- 57880672
+>>57877430 (OP)
+>PsyOps even do in modern war?
+Spam reddit reposts on /k/ it seems.
+--- 57880701
+>>57877430 (OP)
+soldiers dont exist in a vacuum, they will know what is posted online and it WILL impact them
+also have some recent lujan
+--- 57880760
+I shit in Lujans mouth last month in Quantico. She's the current fucktoy for the confidential clearance staff there.
+--- 57880768
+>>57880760
+>confidential clearance staff
+i wish that were me
+--- 57880934
+>>57877566
+oh look a masker
+
+retard
+--- 57881246
+>>57877566
+>Russians (and their American and uk allies) have been like microtargeting cuck and tranny porn at reactionary conservatives to get them hate baiting to it privately and radicalizing against it publicly. 
+Porn is jewish and is used by jews to corrupt morals. They have admitted this on more than one occasion.
+>Astroturfed gamergate
+Or gamers noticed what a shit product jewish feminists were putting out and didn't like it.
+>They microtargeted spider-man and Elsa rape videos at toddlers.
+Or it really is that the internet is full of perverts.
+>BLM vs ALM has been boosted by Russian psyops the whole time.
+That was just them exploiting an entrance made possible by the largely black and jewish BLM.
+>Antimasking and antivaxxing campaigns 
+That's because tee-shirt cloth doesn't stop a virus and the vax is unsafe and ineffective, as well as being a leaky vax that encourages rapid viral mutation, but was shit out in under a year to make money for three jewish owned pharmaceuticals giants, one of which (Moderna) just happens to be among the most popular stock options in Congress.
+>The birth and rise of depression memes.
+Not the Russians. People are just depressed.
+>Fucking prequelmemes and all the Disney Star Wars and Marvel culture wars 
+Disney put out a bad product, but that is because they failed to heed Walt's advice: "Don't let the jews in".
+>Lot of the Russian shit is pretty dumb but it’s just a whole bunch of these regards sitting around in offices every day spitballing stuff and seeing what sticks. They go for a whole chaos and confusion and nonsense shotgun approach.
+They don't have to. We have 7 million jews in the US, and we treat them like normal citizens instead of deadly parasites, which is all it really takes to upend society.
+--- 57881372
+>>57878817
+...JUNIOR
+--- 57881479
+>>57879219
+You faggots are wrong as shit. People are pissed about trannies, homos, jews, nogs, ect and are right to be so. We should have a massive civil war and exterminate them. Russia sees this and hopes to manipulate it. Because Chinks and Ruskies can't run a proper genocidal civil war to save their lives due to 1) general incompetence and 2) their political ideologies being based coercion and domination rather than the extermination of opponents and their replacement with your own people.
+
+Russians think an American in civil strife would be tied up for years and would be knocked from its perch atop the world order. They are dead wrong because assholes like me post the syntheses for nerve agents online and racist whites own all the ammunition for the 1 billion+ firearms circulating in this country. If a civil war breaks out it will become an exterminationist race war and will be over in six months, likely with the result of creating a genocidal expansionist empire. Chinks and Russians don't understand that jews and WASPs(roundheads) have been taking it easy on them. Their enemies have first and foremost always been their own population, they don't want a genocidal white nationalist empire because in the case of the jews they'd be killed and the in the case the WASPs(essentially libtards and yes all politicians are libtards) they just don't like it.
+
+When any russians claims they can destabilize the US my response is "i wish a nigga would." But they wouldn't like the results.
+
+Russia thinks it is clever by stirring the pot, they've been doing it even before the Soviet era.
+--- 57881493
+>>57879194
+This post reeks of HRT and bot juice
+--- 57881573
+>>57880701
+>>57880760
+How do I find a Lujan gf? I’d literally enlist tomorrow and in whatever position needs to be filled if the gubmint guaranteed me a Lujan gf that couldn’t, by law, leave me.
+In case there are any glowies here, you guys could literally have ever young white man fighting for you if you offered them government mandated girlfriends.
+--- 57881601
+>>57879194
+And still do, they are mildly disliked. They are shit in comparison to the first three but without that comparison they wouldn't be hated. People didn't realize how bad things could get. the Prequels are the result of incompetence, they are a mistake. The Disney movies start out with a reboot, an almost shot for shot remake of a movie. Then they handed it over to a man who literally states that medieval history is for everybody and shouldn't be white on numerous occasions, who mixes incompetence with his "fuck whitey" politics. Malice was added to the equation. Realizing this the kikes at Disney decided to backtrack but couldn't even do that right and created a movie somehow more poorly plotted and confusing than the previous entry. 
+
+>>57879281
+What is this shit? One of the latter Dune novels?
+--- 57881629
+>>57877430 (OP)
+You tell me mrs. Psy ops agent
+--- 57881651
+>>57880701
+
+> recent Lujan with recent herpes infection
+--- 57881664
+>>57881651
+She has Nurgle’s blessings
+--- 57881668
+>>57881246
+Hello agent
+--- 57881956
+>>57881668
+You realize you can despise kikes and think the Russians are retarded at the same time right? Not every white nationalist is a TRS faggot.
+--- 57882080
+>>57877655
+>new trends happen
+holy shit you figured it out, only Russian psyops could create such a powerful new phrase.
+--- 57882104
+>>57881956
+So do you have to crack first like a glowstick or do you just have an ambient glow to you?
+--- 57882308
+>>57878008
+>tossup if your video gets ads whether or not you say something as obscene as crap in the first 20 seconds.
+Oh no! Get a real job. Good on YouTube for prioritizing good content that's safe for children over lazybones that shouldn't be making money off youtubepoop anyways.
+--- 57882338
+>>57877566
+Its funny because I'd they didn't spam garbage everywhere, people just wouldn't care one way or another. Its so obviously a coordinated shilling campaign that costs quite a bit of money, so in reality it just makes me and others mad at countries like China and Russia. I have zero care or interest in geopolitics, yet I'm getting splattered with shit when cruising on the net.
+--- 57882439
+>>57877430 (OP)
+this bitch will never see deployment
+
+imagine the sheer terabites of 4k high def rape videos they'll keep uploading for months.
+any rescue operation would be too dangerous of course, so we can only sit and watch as they keep pumping out new videos.
+--- 57882566
+>>57882104
+Does the word glownigger mean anything to you retards anymore? Do you faggots have a physiological need to overuse and misapply every term we collectively adopt around here?
+--- 57882607
+>>57882439
+sounds pretty based ngl
+--- 57882793
+>>57882566
+Yes i just learned it today
+--- 57882830
+>>57877566
+Based. All the culture war bullshit are Russian and Chinese psyops. Expect that shit to go into overdrive the next few years with AI technology maturing.
+--- 57882909
+>>57877566
+>tranny and cuck porn radicalizing
+>"reactionary"
+
+
+The radicalization is happening on CNN and WaPo and NYT et al, not fucking /gif/. seriously go outside once in a while and talk to people face to face.
+
+Nobody gets radicalized by tranny porn on 4channel.org. They get angry at drag queen story telling hour in their preschool. They get angry at "peaceful protests' that burned down their businesses. They get angry at an ever expanding surveillance and police state that can and will be used against them.
+
+They get angry at an endless litany of domestic policy that goes against EVERY.SINGLE.THING. that they believe in: family values, gun rights, freedom of speech, freedom of association, property rights.
+
+TL;DR: The main complaint that those "radicalized" people have is that the US is becoming MORE like russia and china. They want MORE liberty, not LESS.
+--- 57883107
+>>57882909
+> TL;DR: The main complaint that those "radicalized" people have is that the US is becoming MORE like russia and china
+Lol non. 
+
+The Russians are doing the exact same thing the Soviets did. But the Soviets were communists so they could mostly only target fellow travelers like college professors and uppity artist types and minorities. And now the Russians are an authoritarian far right oligarchy, so guess who they primarily target as fellow travelers that they can turn into useful idiots now?
+--- 57883195
+>>57882909
+>acts reactionary about the existence of the concept of being a reactionary 
+Bro maybe if you like learned what terms mean instead of acting offended that they exist you’d have a better time in life. Doesn’t matter if you don’t like or believe in “reactionary” politics, because your propagandists do.
+--- 57883213
+>>57883195
+NAYRT and non-USA, but what is "reactionary" and what does it mean in American political contexts?
+--- 57883321
+>>57877566
+--- 57883357
+>>57880701
+Why does she have such a big ass head.
+--- 57883685
+>>57883213
+Means the same in American as means in French and german. Started with the French Revolution and a rise in reactionary far right political movements opposing the rise of anti-monarchists and liberals and progressives. 
+
+And it’s been a tool for social control that the monarchists and corporatists and communists and any other authoritarians have used to keep a base of commoners that flip out about any critique of them and help keep them in power ever since. Hitler’s whole Mein Kampf and screeching about modernism was basically reactionary political propaganda at its apex. 
+
+And it’s just such a powerful propaganda too, once you get someone embracing reactionary outrage because you just show em anything and they go nuts. Like there’s ~3000 tranny surgeries a year in the US. It’s statistically a non-issue. But to reactionary conservatives that have been having it targeted at them every time they get on the internet, it’s the biggest issue there ever was. Like the second you stop demonstrating a reactionary conservative psychographic profile, blacked porn and trannies essentially disappear entirely from your internet experience. 
+
+Tranny on /tv/
+2010=1107
+2011=1294
+2012=2472
+2013=3131
+2014=5332
+2015=8548
+2016=8360
+2017=11,178
+2018=18,036
+2019=66,577
+2020=72,517
+2021=84,853
+
+Dilate
+13=21
+14=49 (time and eye related)
+15=39 
+16=41
+17=101 (first tranny related)
+18=394
+19=14,615
+20=15,304
+21=12,536
+
+Fun fact there was a notable shift from cuck to tranny messaging strategy starting in 2017 after trump took office. Cuck is better at manipulating people who aren’t in power by attacking their masculinity, and tranny is better at people who are in power by attacking their masculinity.
+--- 57884090
+>>57877924
+American heroes
+--- 57884166
+>>57877430 (OP)
+>What does PsyOps even do in modern war?
+Pic related. Also those campaigns to help Russians surrender and information on how to surrender.
+--- 57884213
+>>57877992
+>>57877898
+It was a campaign to on one hand force YouTube to crack down on how it’s algorithm worked for small YouTubers and started restricting it’s recommended and autoplay features to a handful of “safe” channels for each demo that could be more easily exploited by shill farms, which helped turn YouTube into a useless shithole that endlessly recommends random culture warriors taking lots of anonymous money from Eastern Europe and stuff. Basically by using both Disney and WB properties and having them do stuff that goes against their company s&p it was putting basically all of Hollywood on YouTube’s ass and forcing them to make the platform “safer” for corporations and advertisers. 
+
+And on the other hand it’s part of some super dark psyop trying to basically incept antisocial sexual ideas into the minds of people at their most influential when it comes to psychosocial development, with the broad overall intention of increasing the number of disaffected virgins, rapes, suicides, homicides, serial killers, spree killings, and so on when those people grow up. It was basically kind of a way to exploit the YouTube algorithm and use it like how pedos groom kids, but generally grooming them more towards being obsessed with sexual violence and rape and other kinds of antisocial compulsions that will make it difficult for them to have a healthy love life in the future.
+--- 57884506
+>>57877566
+>Fucking prequelmemes and all the Disney Star Wars and Marvel culture wars have been heavily shilled/utilized by Russians as radicalization and messaging strategy outlets.
+--- 57884520
+>>57877566
+>Gamergate is a Russian psyop
+Least delusional feminist
+--- 57884537
+>>57877566
+Kek it's an actual Steelefag post even down to him rambling about how Disney Star Wars was good but the Russians totally made it fail.
+--- 57884555
+>>57877655
+I remember when you were making posts on /int/ in the French general about how you were going to persuade /k/ to stop saying nigger, now here you are.
+--- 57884634
+>>57884506
+Literally what is hard to understand about it?
+--- 57884684
+>>57882830
+>All the culture war bullshit are Russian and Chinese psyops
+You are delusional if you don't think its also promoted by leftists and corporations
+--- 57884765
+>>57884506
+Forgot the infographic. Considered getting into vr just so I could try and build a 3d interactive timeline of the history of Disney subversive shills promoting the prequels as the in-house alternative for contrarians to shill for to spite the sequels and the intersections they had with Russian shills trying to turn literally anything in the west into a bitter culture war. 
+
+But Disney saw how millennials just ditched the franchise entirely when the prequels sucked so they took the prequels, which already had nostalgia value to people whose balls hadn’t dropped when they came out, and propped them up and started shilling them on /tv/ for awhile and mostly getting bullied before they found traction on Reddit and started using cult compliance strategies to peer pressure kids into bullying each other into shilling for the prequels (Disney properties) to spite the sequels (Disney properties). 
+ And it just kept the movies in the culture. Shit like /r/saltierthancrait or whatever was keeping the sequels top of mind by having a cult dedicated to whining about them, for way longer than had they just come out and been disappointing and went away like the PT did. 
+
+Like it can’t be stressed enough that in 2000, if you were in the high school lunch room whining about how bad the Star Wars prequels were, everyone would call you a fag. Not because they thought they were good, but because you were talking about the Star Wars prequels at all.
+--- 57884788
+>>57883107
+Russia can only exploit US domestic policy disputes to its advantage. But it literally can not create those policies unless it were in control of the senate, white house, CNN, MSNBC and so forth. You cannot exploit something that doesn't exist.
+
+Basically the thing is: I like the evil assault weapons, I like eating red meat, I like owning a house and a car. I think kids shouldn't be allowed to change their gender and teachers have no business telling them that they should. I think aborting a baby at 9 months is far too late and hate speech is free speech. I think the patriot act and everything from the EARN IT act to net neutrality is an assault on all of our liberty. Do the russians support any of those issues? No. Do the democrats? No. Which one of those two groups is actually making our laws?
+
+In case you haven't noticed, none of those issues relate to foreign policy and being aggressive/hostile toward russia and china.
+--- 57884806
+>>57884520
+Kek all the boogiewomyn feminists were Russian assets to m80. The entire culture war was entirely astroturfed. You politicized tribalism chimps would have never been encouraged to invade and ruin this place it if wasn’t for you all happily hopping on the retard wagon with a bunch of seething ESLs screetching about sjws and cuck porn constantly.
+
+SJW on /tv/
+2010=0 (appears once in gibberish)
+2011=0
+IRA FORMED
+2012 = 7 (including explicit messaging strategy [The term SJW isn't used by the "warriors" themselves, at least, not usually. Basically, SJW = Crazy.]
+2013=578
+2014=16,086
+2015=31,837
+2016=30,723
+2017=29,945
+2018=31295
+2019=28836
+2020=16288
+2021=10655
+--- 57884834
+>>57884788
+The truth is Russians on the internet project their depression and make it a worse place, there is no concerted KGB effort.
+--- 57884929
+>>57879814
+I'm tired of seeing retards blindly accept this shit as gospel. For those who have an IQ above 70, the actual content of the bill can be found here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/5736/text
+>Amends the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1986 and 1987 to prohibit funds for the Department of State or the Board from being used to influence public opinion or propagandizing in the United States. (Under current law such provision applies to the United States Information Agency [USIA].)
+--- 57884979
+>>57884788
+> But it literally can not create those policies
+The tranny hubbub started when a likely Russian asset in North Carolina state legislature introduced a tranny bill as bait designed to fail in response to something that happened in Canada so they could create a wedge issue to push to rouse the rabble before the 2016 election. Other than that the tranny issue pretty much boils down shit that private sports organizations and bars do. All of which can be easily influenced anonymously over the internet. And it’s like the biggest issue to conservatives desperate for something to be distracted about. Like nothing is happening with trannies other than the endless propaganda about them. Plus how the whole schmebogle works is that you get the reactionaries yelling about all the queers doing queer shit on their internet experience and gets the counter-reactionaries to start shilling for them out of spite. Like making fun of trannies was a lot funner when there wasn’t a bunch of sniveling nigger foreigner propagandists that jerk off to them as a culture invading my culture to endlessly agitate about them. 
+
+Same with sjw and now woke and everything else in ESL newspeak. It starts with anonymous foreigners suddenly showing up reacting to all the “sjws” or “woke mob” or “trotskyists” or any other newspeak label they choose, and then they present a bunch of strawmen examples to define what the term means and then get kiddos seeking out annoying assholes on the Other side to label and attack. Literally the same shit they’ve been doing since they perfected it in the 30s.
+--- 57885045
+War photography maybe.
+--- 57885200
+>>57883685
+Anon, I appreciate the effortpost but you gotta dumb it down for me here, I don't know at all what the political definition of "reactionary" is.
+--- 57885398
+>>57877430 (OP)
+>What does PsyOps even do in modern war?
+It's actually debated as to how much it helps your own side, probably the best thing it can do is make the other side not be convinced that a fight is worth it. Of course, that only works in democracies where the people in charge can't just start a war without any checks and balances.
+--- 57885435
+>>57880131
+>She's hot enough to convince me to die for Biden's crackhead son in Ukraine
+But Biden isn't asking US troops to die in Ukraine so literally all you're getting out of it is eating the slop.
+--- 57885442
+>>57882439
+So you're saying we should deploy her
+--- 57885456
+>>57884788
+>In case you haven't noticed, none of those issues relate to foreign policy and being aggressive/hostile toward russia and china.
+It does in a roundabout way, but making politics so focused on those things that politicians can't spend their time or resources on destroying anything that opposes America.
+--- 57885470
+>>57885456
+by* making
+--- 57887369
+>>57884684
+the point is that russian psyops feed these ideas to both leftwing and rightwing to get the culture war going. Then they pour gas in the fire by echoing both sides on platforms like twitter. You're missing the bigger picture by just blaming it on leftists.
+--- 57887392
+>>57877430 (OP)
+Almost none of it is spent on social media, ironically enough. Civil Affairs spends more time on social media than PSYOP ever will.
+
+t. knower
+--- 57887409
+>>57884929
+Anon, if you ever spend a significant amount of time analyzing righty talking points, you will notice the theme is "Screech at headline, do not read content". Much like hyper anti-gun libs, there is no capacity for deeper analysis.
+--- 57887438
+>>57884765
+I wish people could make images like yours coherent and not an eyesore to actually illustrate their point in a sensical manner.
+--- 57887866
+>>57887369
+to blame our shitty culture wars all on the Russian boogeyman is retarded. It's our own population that creates and feeds off of it and of course the Chinese and Russians exploit it.
+--- 57887926
+>>57887866
+Russia literally invented the modern Left.
+--- 57888030
+>>57884765
+>>57887438
+Yeah I drew it at some point and can’t read half of it lol.
+--- 57888085
+>>57884765
+Steelefag you don't need to be here, you need a therapist.
+--- 57888098
+>>57884806
+I'm glad you stopped taking your meds again, it makes you easier to spot.
+--- 57888104
+>>57887866
+Leftists would be unrecognizable today if the soviet union never existed.
+--- 57888105
+Imagine thinking the Russians are secret memegods when they can't even take Bakhmut.
+--- 57888109
+>>57888105
+But that makes perfect sense as they can encircle Bakhmut in all ways except physical
+--- 57888114
+>>57887369
+>Muh both sides
+--- 57888132
+>literally ranting about /tv/
+People said it was schizo shit when I said the giant walls of texts complaining about Republicans came from one French retard who got chased off /tv/ and /int/ for ranting about how Russians did Gamergate, the 2A movement, and made the Disney Star Wars sequels fail. I'm glad he couldn't hold his spergery in any longer.
+--- 57888134
+>>57877430 (OP)
+You're thinking about it wrong. Intelligence work isn't "there's a guy named Psy Op and he goes around manipulating the narrative". If you want to explain to some Afghans how the US is going to help them out (kek) - which is a kind of propaganda, because everything is - you schedule a meeting and hand out some materials so that some pamphlets get handed to soldiers and then the next time those guys are in some village they follow the "Why We're In Your Country" guide and give some candy to kids. Repeat over and over at various degrees of intensity and various scales with varying targets.
+--- 57888140
+>>57887866
+The problem with that logic is that the far left for 50 years was defined by its need to suck up to the communists and those people are the teachers of the current leftists so really, it does come back down to Russia.
+--- 57888156
+>>57882909
+I stopped using /soc/ when the everpresent gay threads increased in number and slid the straight threads off the board. That made me kind of sad.
+--- 57888174
+>>57883685
+>Hitler’s whole Mein Kampf and screeching about modernism was basically reactionary political propaganda at its apex.
+Hitler's first victims were the actual Prussian Reactionaries.
+--- 57888185
+someone post the taut t shirt pic
+--- 57888223
+>>57877430 (OP)
+Wow they can't even get their AI Psy-op bimbo to pretend it likes mre Mac n cheese
+--- 57888289
+>>57877566
+>>57877655
+>>57879219
+>>57882080
+This the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. 
+You're cherry picking things which any 4channer would know to be true, like crying about Trannies increasing over the years, and then painting a narrative around it.
+
+Speaking of psyops. Association tricks like this are bread and butter pysops.
+>Mad about X?
+>Y wants you to be mad about X!
+>You don't want to be on team Y do you!
+It's effective because the negative association works with the general publics. So if you say something like The Black Panthers are terrorists and you cherry pick a case where that's true then the public associates Black Panthers with terrorism first and foremost in their minds when the propaganda machine blares away.
+Then you end up with things like Ronald Reagan banning open carry in California. To "protect" us from the terrorists the machine made you believe in in the first place. Ala >>57877924
+--- 57888324
+>>57877430 (OP)
+For some reason she look extremely breedable with a gas mask
+https://www.instagram.com/p/CobBO6DMJj7/?igshid=MTIyMzRjYmRlZg==
+--- 57888356
+>>57881651
+>recent herpes infection
+KEK!
+--- 57888647
+>>57888289
+>Mad about Ukraine?
+>Globohomo wants you to be mad about Ukraine!
+>You don't want to be on team Globohomo do you!
+literally the only argument vatniks have
+--- 57888922
+>>57888289
+>Mad about vaccines even though before 2020 being antivax was for liberal housewives that we made fun of?
+>russian active measures shills want you to be mad about vaccines to increase the number of preventable deaths in your country.
+>You don't want to be on team literal treason do you!
+
+Not sure what your point is. 
+
+>Mad about trannies?
+>russian active measures shills want you to be “mad” about trannies after they fill your life with trannies and use trannies as a boogieman outgroup label that manipulates disaffected virginal types by attacking their sexual insecurities and causing them cognitive dissonance that makes them easier to manipulate. 
+>You don't want to be on team constantly obsessed with degenerate porn that causes you to spend a bunch of time publicly stressing how much you hate it do you!
+
+Like where’s the fallacy? Why would you want to have anything to do with a bunch of foreign invaders that want you to literally die?
+--- 57889067
+>>57888140
+It was created by Russian Judeo-Bolshevism
+--- 57889070
+For her next ad she should have sex with me
+--- 57889316
+>>57877430 (OP)
+What is it with zoomer girls and the tumblr nose
+Millennial Ess Jay Dubz just drew noses that way; they didn't use makeup to actually try to have a tumblr nose
+--- 57889550
+>>57883107
+>Russia
+>far right
+>former KGB for a dictator
+>oligarchs are former communist party members
+>still waving the hammer and sickle flag
+>anything not owned by a commie oligarch is owned by the state
+>most popular philosophers are still soviet era communists and national socialists
+>puppet states are called "X peoples republic"
+But they're totally the same thing as American libertarians and conservatives you guys. Definitely not communists trying to rebuild the Warsaw Pact and put Russian colonists back in their old soviet empire.
+
+The one thing that you can say about conservatives that is absolutely true is that they are reactionary in that they never take initiative in anything. They only ever react to things happening around them and the reaction is only ever shouting "BASED" or adopting the contrarian view.
+--- 57889718
+>>57889550
+>Russia
+>far right
+Correct.
+--- 57890164
+>>57889718
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY [Embed]
+--- 57890537
+>>57890164
+>posting random YouTube propaganda. 
+Cringe and yikes. 
+
+ESLs were a mistake.
+--- 57890590
+>>57889550
+>”gay propaganda” bans and wife beating decriminalized and endless far right reactionary conservatism 
+>is a literal oligarchy 
+Cope and seethe weirdo lmao. 
+
+Not sure what you’re even assmad about desu senpai. Is it cuz you’re a tankie and want to think Putin is one of you lr because you’re a YouTube-radicalized reactionary far-righter and you don’t want to think about the reality that the far-right in the west has been stalinized by former-kgb niggers for the last 10 years?
+--- 57890631
+>”gay propaganda” bans and wife beating decriminalized and endless far right reactionary conservatism
+Plenty of communist countries have done this, almost every communist regime in Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe and South America had generally socially conservative views when compared to the West.
+>Oligarchy = far right
+retarded
+--- 57890656
+>>57890537
+>>57890590
+So this is the new tactic from the twitter leftoids infesting /k/? Accuse everyone else of being a "far right reactionary" communist? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, it's an old tactic.
+>Verification not required.
+--- 57890669
+>>57889316
+It's freckles, anon
+--- 57890682
+>>57890590
+>”gay propaganda” bans and wife beating decriminalized
+Nta but in fairness, the soviet union DID do the former of those 2, the USSR was hilariously homophobic
+--- 57890683
+>>57890631
+> Plenty of communist countries have done 
+And then Russia, which is currently a fascist oligarchy, also did that. 
+
+Nice whataboutism too you russian-radicalized snake nigger lmao. You mindraped bozos don’t even realize how much your mind is being reflexively conditioned to automatically and unconsciously whatabout away from anything that causes cognitive dissonance. 
+
+Like how you’ve been trained think is how the commies that survived the great purge had been brainwashed. It basically uses outgroup boogieman bait to trigger your tribal chimp feelings so you turn off the need for critical thought or self-reflection. 
+
+Like what are you arguing bozo? Why is it so important to you to desperately pretend that Russia and Russian shills aren’t typically far-right and far-right focused?
+--- 57890688
+>>57890656
+>So this is the <generic stalinist strawman meme>
+Post passport nigger gookike
+--- 57890708
+You don't have to join the army to bang fit army ladies. Just move near an army base and bang them and the wives who live on base while their husbands die for israel. The surviving males can raise your children. It's win-win.
+--- 57890709
+>>57890683
+>Russia and Russian shills aren’t typically far-right and far-right focused?
+The people who love Russia are usually Israeli backed Zionists while Putin kisses the shoes of his Jewish oligarchs while passing laws to make anti semitism illegal, shows how Judeo-Bolshevism still survives in Russia. To call them far right is laughable
+--- 57890740
+>>57890688
+Libertarian Stalinist? And I don't have a passport. The last time I went to Canada I was a kid and it was before 9/11 so I didn't need one.
+>Verification not required.
+--- 57890762
+>>57890683
+>snake nigger
+Can you not use racial slurs like that? This is a blue board. Weaving slurs into every other sentence doesn't help you fit in here.
+--- 57890837
+>>57890709
+Meds lmao
+>>57890740
+> Libertarian Stalinist? 
+Yes absolutely. Stalinism is about cult compliance strategies and messaging and thought control strategies and stuff. The whole thing 1984 and Animal Farm were about. 
+
+Plus most you “libertarians” with your faggot YouTube propaganda videos that do the talking for you are some of the most authoritarian statist cucks when it comes to everything but sucking corporatist dick.
+>And I don't have a passport. 
+Convenient. No way you can prove you’re not a russoid nigger other than by talking like one I guess. And also frustrating because you true believers and useful idiots legitimately don’t travel and are actively ignorant as hell so it’s pretty hard to tell the difference sometimes. They rely on spamming YouTube propaganda because they don’t speak good English, while you do it because you have no agency most likely. 
+>>57890762
+>Libertarian 
+>b-b-but this is a blue board 
+Lol you hypocrite chinks are so predictable. 
+
+>Verification not required.
+--- 57890894
+>>57890837
+Stalinism is literally a strain of Communism and at the opposite end of any political spectrum, compass, or other value chart. Libertarianism is the polar opposite of communists. And I have nothing to prove to a literal nobody leftoid troll from twitter. But hey, you can feel like someone that matters by buying a verified checkmark and pretend you're a legacy checkmark.
+--- 57890948
+Not either of the people in this discussion but I think attributing some kind of philosophical basis to Russia's current government based on how the country used to be is well, a mistake. I've seen several people, Kraut being the most notable of youtubers, who makes the link between Putin and the writings of Ivan Ilyin but as Vlad Vexler said, I think that's is putting more thought into it than Putin himself does because Putin does not have a single philosophical bone in his body and in closer to just a ruthless man with a "whatever fits what I already think about the world" ideology
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7u3Z3GyLiI [Embed]
+--- 57890978
+>>57890894
+I refuse to believe that you learned English as a first language. 
+
+You’ve run out of interesting stuff to talk about. Cope and seethe harder you stalinist traitor lol. 
+
+And now I don’t even need to use the casual freehand for “you’ve been trained to think like a mindraped Russian” since you made it clear >>57890762 I was right about you being a sniveling faggot virtue signaling faux-libertarians that immediately runs to the gubment the second you get uncomfortable. So you’re a proper stalinist too you little commie slut lmao.
+--- 57890980
+>>57878962
+All women are whores
+--- 57891078
+post on twitter, facebook, 4chan, write articles for washington post and NY times, make 'suggestions' for hollywood scriptwriters to modify their script to be more friendly to the regime
+--- 57891086
+>>57877566
+hillary lost
+--- 57891107
+>>57882104
+When psyop agent turns desperate
+--- 57891146
+>>57890978
+>tucker
+>stalinist 
+Pull that used buttplug out of your mouth annon the lack of oxygen is hindering your mental faculties, let's hope de damage is not permanent.
+--- 57891213
+>>57888647
+Delete this t. Florida oblast

k/57877560.txt

@@ -10,3 +10,144 @@ bump
 --- 57879331
 >>57877560 (OP)
 Yes, but from the looks of it also the past and present. Checkmate is a pretty old concept.
+--- 57881477
+>>57877560 (OP)
+Isn't mosaic warfare an old idea by now?
+--- 57881512
+The United States military does not have an effective close air support air frame that can survive in an area in which the enemy has the current inventory of SAM's. Man portable SAM's will defeat CAS attempts.
+--- 57881532
+>>57881512
+We can do CAS from strategic bombers. MANPADS are a threat to specific forms of CAS, but you need actual AA systems to deter CAS in general.
+--- 57881533
+>>57881512
+PGMs fired from outside their range is the solution.
+--- 57881575
+>>57877560 (OP)
+It is a simplification of ideas that already exist into a visual form. Total conventional war is the lowest form of warfare, and kill chains can be more complex. History would suggest that each opponent, each political situation, and each strategic situation call for a unique approach.
+--- 57881593
+>>57881512
+The US has the most advanced aircraft and missiles in the world, as well as the most SAM systems. With the extremely advanced tech that the US fields, there would be a way to land bombs against any conventional force.
+--- 57881612
+>>57881533
+FLYMARS
+--- 57881966
+>>57881512
+CAS means that the support is hitting close to friendlies, not that the thing delivering it is close.
+--- 57883085
+>>57877560 (OP)
+I understand the infographic, but the last sentence alone could have been rewritten to explain the entire thing much better, thus:
+>have many different mobile and shifting independent kill chains all at once so that enemies have no effective response
+--- 57883168
+>>57881512
+>Offering hot takes
+>Doesn't know what CAS is
+>Doesn't know what a MANPAD is
+God damn I don't even into crew served or armchair generaling and you're obviously fucking clueless
+--- 57883419
+>>57877560 (OP)
+In the words of Vaclav Smil, all the models do is give you back the assumptions you put in them.
+--- 57883496
+>>57877560 (OP)
+The future of warfare is controlling the satellites and their communications mesh with high altitude and ground. He who controls the spice controls the universe. he who controls the spice can send a robot bomb to land on a pin and see the thermal signatures of his enemies children's turds.
+--- 57883602
+>>57881533
+These are unironically just rapid dragon cruise missiles
+--- 57883633
+>>57881533
+i cant tell if this is reformer tier retardation or an actual idea someone came up with.
+--- 57884225
+>>57877560 (OP)
+Is this not how its already done?
+--- 57885364
+>>57884225
+No.
+>how it's done today
+soldier sees target, soldier talks to JTAC, JTAC talks to F-15, F-15 drops bomb
+>how they want it done in future
+soldier sees target, drone sees target,
+both talk to the Net
+F-15, artillery piece, tank, offshore destroyer all get targeting data from the Net
+F-15, artillery, etc launches the bombs, shells, cruise missiles
+
+they want to P2P torrent ordnance, not client-server ordnance
+--- 57885637
+>>57881533
+--- 57886028
+>>57877560 (OP)
+The future of American warfare is just as expensive and ineffective as ever.
+--- 57886053
+>>57886028
+Looks like we lost two countries and gained five to our sphere of influence. Per this map.
+--- 57886070
+>>57886028
+Wait. Actually we gained 6.
+--- 57886074
+>>57886053
+Wow you're retarded
+--- 57886095
+>>57886070
+You quite possibly have the worst comprehension I've ever seen on 4chan. How did you go in school?
+--- 57886112
+>>57877560 (OP)
+>flank the enemy
+Wow, so future, much new
+--- 57886121
+>>57886112
+flanked your comprehension, certainly
+--- 57886137
+>>57886121
+Oh, the irony of this post!
+--- 57886153
+>>57886137
+>n-n-no u!
+--- 57886187
+>>57886153
+Great comeback, anon. I bow before your intellectual prowess, for you are truly a mental colossus and I can only kneel in the dust.
+I accept your concession, o great master of grade school tier zingers!
+--- 57886201
+>>57886070
+Anon, I…
+It’s good relations with Iran
+--- 57886217
+>>57886187
+Oh, the irony of this post!
+--- 57886257
+>>57885637
+This is fucking hilarious.
+--- 57886370
+>All those words to say "Don't use infantry against fortified infantry positions"
+--- 57886393
+>>57886370
+That's not what it says.
+--- 57886445
+>>57886393
+Its just a wordy way to say we won't do dumb shit with infantry anymore and will rely heavily on drones.
+--- 57887099
+Low-flying CAS is optimal because it increases situational awareness and reduces time-to-target. In a MANPADS situation the CAS must fly outside of the threat’s engagement range, or attempt Wild Weasel if training and machines allow. Doing Wild Weasel takes the plane off the CAS mission and flying high decreases withal awareness and increases time-to-target. Helicopters are another option able to hide from threats while providing CAS but position becomes a complicating factor. This is talking about America mind you.
+
+Russians doing CAS rely mostly on dumb bombs and rockets so must fly low; even Soviet-era planes have ballistic computers but there are too many factors which impact accuracy which can only be minimized by flying as low as possible. The pilots don’t have the training to do Wild Weasel so any AD threat means they can’t do CAS. Their choppers can snipe things at max range but they don’t have the tech to do anything more. Ukrainians have JDAM-ERs but this is a kludged-together solution so they’re really only for pre-planned targets— and Ukrainians are only able to manage a handful of sorties a day for whatever reason meaning their troops simply don’t get CAS at all.
+--- 57887168
+>>57881533
+--- 57887299
+>>57877560 (OP)
+>if you have more shit and you're stronger, you win
+I know that powerpoints and paperwork is part of why the US is as powerful as it is, but holy fucking shit can it be retarded.
+--- 57887380
+>>57886445
+It's not that either.
+
+>>57887299
+The question is in "what way do you have more shit", which is something that many eg Russia to this day fail to understand.
+
+As well as many people ITT.
+--- 57889151
+>>57886028
+>Saudi Arabia has good relations with Iran
+>Iraq has good relations with Iran
+>The Taliban has good relations with Iran
+lmao
+--- 57889700
+>>57889151
+--- 57889860
+>>57886028
+Where Bakhmut

k/57877676.txt

@@ -83,3 +83,211 @@ SIX MILLION DOLLARS!?!?!!
 >>57877676 (OP)
 >6 fucking grand
 It better come with a heartbeat monitor at that price is all I'm saying
+--- 57880379
+>>57877676 (OP)
+>6k for rifle with known video game service record.
+--- 57881592
+just buy a grot
+--- 57881687
+If you used this in MW2, fuck you
+--- 57881698
+>>57877676 (OP)
+>https://www.bushmaster.com/shop/acr/acr/
+
+Bushmaster still has a website? lmao
+--- 57881880
+>>57877676 (OP)
+>Six thousand dollars
+--- 57881906
+>>57877676 (OP)
+>$6k
+get the fuck out
+--- 57882378
+>>57877676 (OP)
+This thing is the nissan juke of rifles
+--- 57882433
+>$6k
+Oh honey no.
+--- 57882435
+>>57878885
+>faggotgroup
+Bro they're gone, Remington went bankrupt and all its assets were sold
+--- 57882446
+>>57877846
+>zero upgrades or flaw fixes from the original one
+Bushmaster ACK..!
+--- 57882469
+How the fuck is this MORE expensive than even SIG?
+--- 57882475
+>>57882446
+Because, again, they’re not actually building new ones yet. They’re selling new old Remington stock.
+--- 57882572
+SIX
+THOUSAND 
+DOLLARS
+--- 57882660
+>>57877676 (OP)
+And it left!
+--- 57882695
+>>57877676 (OP)
+For that price I'd rather buy an SR25 with that kind of money lmfao fuck this shit
+--- 57882707
+>>57877839
+>>57877997
+>>57878476
+>>57878722
+>>57878880
+>>57878950
+>>57879500
+>>57880379
+>>57881880
+>>57881906
+>>57882433
+>>57882572
+Just get the Grot like this >>57881592 very wise anon said.
+--- 57882734
+>>57882695
+Get the Grot, I'm telling you.
+--- 57884315
+Ahh very organic discussion about a Grot in a thread about something that isn't the Grot, clearly not the result of a single unstable Polish slav
+--- 57884331
+>>57882707
+>>57882734
+silence polish vermin
+--- 57884350
+>>57882572
+>Pricemaster, on my /k/?
+--- 57884720
+>>57884331
+post your skin colour faggot
+--- 57884961
+>>57877839
+>>57877997
+>>57878476
+>>57878722
+>>57878880
+>>57878950
+>>57879500
+>>57880379
+>>57881880
+>>57881906
+>>57882433
+>>57882572
+--- 57885052
+the best part about having an acr is knowing that poors wont have one
+and its important to reintroduce them at such high prices to remind poors that they cant have anything good in life
+theyre allowed to have psa aks, turkshit shotguns, and generic glock clones
+--- 57885156
+>>57885052
+>calls others poor
+>settled for a knock off eokek
+--- 57885511
+>>57884315
+It's nice, trust me.
+--- 57885518
+>>57884331
+Ah, the seething coper has appeared.
+--- 57885540
+>>57877676 (OP)
+>6k
+>Scar beats it in the polyshit AR bracket
+--- 57885552
+>>57885052
+The ACR was cool in the sense that it was promised as a consumer market product, ergo inexpensive, and also that you could easily change calibers on it (which even poorfag AR15s can do). It's cool as a collectible, but $6000 cool? I'm not poor, but I'm not invested in the ACR either, and I'm not wealthy to the point that I'm willing to spend twice the price of an FN SCAR for a fifth of the performance and a tenth of the quality, it'd have to be something more special.
+
+I think I'd rather just go higher and start looking at transferable MGs at that point, an M10 or M11 would be lots of fun, and an FNC can become quite fantastic if you have some gunsmithing done to it.
+
+>>57885156
+That's also very funny, I didn't even pay attention to that.
+--- 57885562
+>>57884331
+>Shrubmashter ACR
+>Fagner
+--- 57885590
+Bushmaster addressed this on their instagram page. The ACR is currently being reworked and is in development, it’s not actually available yet. The picture on the website shows the old model and the price is just there as a placeholder. You can’t actually order them.
+--- 57885766
+>>57885590
+All they have to do in my eyes is release the real RemDef ACR for $1600 and I'm sold. It'll never happen.
+--- 57885779
+>>57885590
+Lol what a strange placeholder price.
+I mean could believe it was an error because holy shit 6k but I can also see out of touch bosses seeing that price justified.
+--- 57885937
+>>57885779
+It’s probably to keep people from trying to buy it
+--- 57886231
+>>57885937
+Some idiot is gonna try though. Really they should've left the price blank, or maybe putting an absurd price tag on it is a way of generating buzz for items
+--- 57886253
+>>57885562
+t. poor who cant afford one
+--- 57886318
+>>57882734
+Unavailable in the US as of 2023.
+--- 57886339
+>>57886253
+>Rushit supporter bragging about others not being able to afford stuff
+--- 57886391
+>>57886253
+In the same way that I'm too poor to afford spending $10000 for a transferable parts kit Sten, sure.
+--- 57886395
+>>57877676 (OP)
+
+>$6000
+
+What does this do for $6k that a $1k gayAR15 cannot?
+--- 57886541
+>>57885518
+>>57885156
+>>57886339
+>>57886391
+>>57886395
+>all these poorfags
+--- 57887201
+>>57878885
+>They're probably going to revive the ACR before faggotgroup does.
+
+That's what I'm waiting on. It would cool if he managed to get full production going because I don't want to fuck around looking for the few parts he doesn't make, BUT I'm really tempted to just buy everything he's got working so far
+--- 57887259
+>>57884720
+>>57885518
+>>57885562
+>>57886339
+>>57886391
+>poor fags hate PMC chadner
+Guess shilling for UAH wasnt worth it huh?
+--- 57887336
+>>57877676 (OP)
+More like Bushmaster ACK
+--- 57887367
+>buy it or you're poor
+idk, seems like a waste of time if you ask me.
+I'll stick to the AR platform since it's easier to find parts and info for :)
+--- 57887407
+>>57887201
+Same. I'd love to do an ACR-IC clone reproduction, but there's still too many tiny parts that are marked up for 10x their value only on gunbroker for me to consider it.
+--- 57887432
+Hol up
+Weren't they unable to move these things for 1200 before remshit went under? 
+Damn, I shoulda bought a few.
+--- 57887442
+>>57887432
+They sure as shit aren't gonna be moving them at $6k unless it's just some money laundering scheme.
+--- 57887450
+>>57887442
+5000 dollars i kno wat i got
+--- 57887676
+How is this allowed?
+--- 57887962
+Only good thing to come out of the ACR was the stock
+I wonder how many more stocks than rifles were sold
+--- 57890417
+>>57887259
+How's the stalemate going?
+--- 57890445
+>>57877676 (OP)
+>SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS
+LOL. LMAO even.
+--- 57890526
+>>57877786
+Don't ban things ban idiots from abusing them

k/57877683.txt

@@ -145,3 +145,265 @@ I would be for this if only whites could get firearms.
 --- 57879561
 >>57877683 (OP)
 I like a lot of different Kel-Tec guns. RDB, KSG, PMR30, and even like the aesthetics of the P-15 aluminum.
+--- 57879873
+>>57879314
+You're a problem.
+--- 57879914
+>>57879486
+Chad response
+--- 57879942
+>>57878237
+Hello fellow Kemono Friends enjoyer
+--- 57880092
+>>57877683 (OP)
+My collection is too big and needs its own building. I Don't clean it enough. I'm also the last person on earth who should have weapons.
+--- 57880123
+>>57877683 (OP)
+ive been browsing this board for 9 years and still havent made a firearm purchase due to my autism interfering with my purchasing decisions. noguns4life!
+--- 57880159
+I took carry with the cheapest ammo I can get but it's because I keep forgetting to get the good stuff. Thanks for the reminder.
+--- 57880271
+>>57878655
+I’ve carried a Gen 1 S&W M&P 9 Shield for nearly a decade in a pocket holster in my front right pants pocket, even when I’m at home and wearing comfortable clothes like basketball shorts I carry it. You can’t even tell I have it and it’s so light & thin I could forget I even had it in my pocket. No excuse. That’s why I bought the M&P Shield when my state passed constitutional carry, I knew if I got the right gun even when I was having a lazy day I would carry cause I’d have no excuse. If I were you’d I’d still carry a fixed blade but I’d also get something you can pocket carry comfortably.
+--- 57881659
+>>57880123
+Don’t worry anon, you’ll find your special gal soon enough
+--- 57881680
+>>57877930
+Ballistics are important when you are shooting at a distance. Even shooting accurately at 500 yards and below requires practice and training. If you want to "hit people where it counts" you have to understand the ballistics of the round you are shooting. Even up close, you have to compensate for the bullet climbing.
+--- 57881707
+>>57881680
+Really, if you want to hunt ethically you have to be accurate. Making a clean kill with one shot and feeding people. Much more to guns than self-defense.
+--- 57882333
+>>57877683 (OP)
+I'd instantly and gladly trade in permitless carry for a reopening of the machine gun registry.
+--- 57882580
+>>57879314
+>>must have a primary care physician
+in a country without universal healthcare coverage 
+SNEED
+--- 57882617
+I do not give a single fuck about modern tactical rifles or any bans/legislation around them, they're LARP tools for 99.9% of their buyers.
+CCW and handguns are far, far far more important and I'd gladly trade muh salt rifles for 50 state permitless purchase and carry
+--- 57882630
+>>57878532
+>ouch! careful, little guy!
+--- 57882655
+>>57878655
+guess you’ve never had something as simple as a crackhead pull on your door handle? What are you gonna do, gut them? You shoot or use your fist at that point. If you use your fist the cops won’t even bother you once you’re finished. I think it’d be pretty hard to get a good ruling in court with a self defense stabbing.
+--- 57882681
+I don't actually own any guns but I constantly call people out as nogunz and have an arsenal of pics saved to stand in as my arsenal.
+
+Although I have learned about guns over the years, I still mostly rate them based on how good they were in Call of Duty or Battlefield.
+
+When discussing combat or military ops, I often claim that I have significant first hand experience on these matters and in turn use that to support my position.
+
+I also think submachine guns, shot guns, and DMRs almost always look cooler than assault rifles and are thus cooler.
+--- 57882686
+>>57877930
+>>57877683 (OP)
+Yes, hole through something vital makes things dead and in a military context where shooting trough objects can be important fmj makes sense. Good expansion or fragmentation makes for quicker results though and anyone who's hunted animals with both can attest.
+If you want a cheap but good enough jhp the winchestor white box 147gr jhp you see at academy are adequate.
+--- 57882744
+>>57878628
+>You carry what you practice
+Why if they have the same point of impact? For a +/- 2% difference in perceived recoil? I'm doubt I could notice the difference between +p and bottom of the barrel 115gr fmj.
+With rifles where the POI difference is more noticeable because you're shooting further okay I guess. Or keep a note card for m193 zero and whatever nice load you use zero side by side in the grip.
+--- 57882763
+>>57879314
+There are smart ways to do gun control, but yeah we'd need some major incentive to even pretend to try. NFA repealed, no ammo sales tax or some shit.
+
+Even then I'd just have it be a voluntary training license. Getting the trainer card gives you all the benefits you mentioned but it's entirely optional with all the normal measures we have today for the ones that don't.
+--- 57882986
+>>57878628
+Brainlet take. The 1" POI difference makes zero practical difference for any realistic self defense situation. Vette reliability with the good stuff, practice with the cheapest similar POI and recoil impulse ammo you can find, and shoot up your carry ammo as you cycle it out.
+>>57882686
+Bonded JHP frequently performs better post barrier then FMJ as the FMJ is unbonded and more likely to experience core jacket separation when going through things like sheet metal or auto glass
+--- 57886203
+>>57877683 (OP)
+i think pocket carry is the best form of carry because you don't know that i'm carrying a rocket in there
+--- 57886249
+>>57877683 (OP)
+I think 5.7x28 is a stupid fucking round and the M&P 5.7 is a stupid fucking gun.
+
+Regardless I just bought the gun for $649 (after tax) and eight 22 rnd magazines for about $30 each.
+
+I did this because I've seen enough shit for past couple of years to prioritize capacity above all else, and the gun shoots ok.
+--- 57886755
+>>57886249
+It's weird because I was just looking up videos of this gun all night last night. I'm very fascinated by it and considering getting it as a car gun and home defense gun. i'm surprised everyone is hyping up the 5.7 round again. apparently its ammo price is going down as well. I hope hickok45 reviews it.
+--- 57887062
+I bought a Taurus and I liked it.
+--- 57887068
+>>57886249
+
+Is it true that 5.7 pistol is a hot black market item in mexico because it can pierce some body armor levels?
+--- 57887086
+>>57887068
+>can I go to Baja to eat a lot of grilled shellfish, real 5.7, Xanax, and Tylenol with Codeine? 
+
+asking for a friend
+--- 57887188
+>>57878237
+Faggots like this can find a woman to marry irl, but a supreme gentleman like myself is constantly ignored and denied by women. le sigh
+--- 57887348
+>>57887188
+you respect them
+--- 57887426
+I don’t have the slightest idea which of these ledges the guide rod is supposed to rest on, and it’s up to chance which one I’ll choose every time I reassemble my Glock.
+--- 57887452
+>>57887188
+>faggot
+>married a woman
+Does that make you, who cannot find a woman, a super faggot?
+--- 57887456
+My guilty confession is even though I am living in a based country which of course bans firearms since we're not retarded, I'd still want a 9mm revolver (yes they exist) for myself. Though I'm very happy that i don't get to have a gun if all the other morons can't either.
+--- 57887548
+>>57886249
+>I did this because I've seen enough shit for past couple of years to prioritize capacity above all else
+When you say you've "seen enough shit", are you talking about the fact that there's never been a single recorded case of a private citizen being killed or injured due to running out of ammo in a defensive shooting? There's even the ultimate example of Rittenhouse, who was attacked by a mob, only firing 8 rounds total. Idk, maybe you've seen something in the past couple of years to contradict these facts.
+--- 57887572
+>>57878848
+>>57880271
+>>57882655
+
+I spend years in a high-risk job where I had to be heavily armed constantly. You get tired of it. Now, i have the luxury of avoiding bad people and places. Crims don't usually attack people who don't have anything valuable, and who can obviously beat them to death either. I have a higher chance now of being struck by lightning then being a victim of a violent crime. You can inject whatever hypotheticals you want, I lived it. Mass shooting? Im supposed to carry a gun everywhere for a statically irrelevant phenomenon? No.
+--- 57887644
+>>57879002
+>The losers in WWII were also using FMJ ammo
+British & Italian frangibles
+--- 57887992
+>>57887456
+Do you realize that you're not welcome on /k/ for unironically thinking this retarded pussy shit
+--- 57888027
+>>57887456
+I, too, am very happy you can't own a gun. Cucks who don't wish for an armed society don't deserve such a freedom themselves. Enjoy living as a second class citizen in a third world shithole.
+--- 57888235
+>>57879314
+>shall issue
+gay if you paid attention youd realize it actually means shall not issue
+--- 57888266
+>>57886249
+i bought a ruger 57 last friday
+--- 57888556
+>>57887548
+>There's even the ultimate example of Rittenhouse, who was attacked by a mob, only firing 8 rounds total.
+
+That's some sort of spin you're spouting there. They were actually trying to disarm him because they thought he was a threat and didn't think he had access to that weapon. Why wouldn't you call kyle rittenhouse a mob participant himself? They don't know what the fucks going on. He didn't know what he was doing. He wasn't even part of a security team. He wasn't a cop. I support gun laws and stuff but that rittenhouse fellow was a huge retard. Do you remember when he was crying at the verdict? It's because he knew he fucked up and knew he could have been found guilty for the shit he did.
+--- 57888587
+>>57888556
+Tl;dr he legally did nothing wrong as declared in a court of law get rekt bich lool
+--- 57888602
+>>57888556
+This b8 is shit. Take a cue from OP his b8 was actually good.
+--- 57888644
+>>57887572
+>Im supposed to carry a gun everywhere for a statically irrelevant phenomenon? No.
+
+My personal opinion is I would feel like shit living my last moments thinking wow I should have had my gun on me, while the neighborhood pitbull gnaws my toes and fingers off. Or as the mass shooter walks on top of my body and moves to kill grandpa behind me. I don't want that to be my last thoughts. I realize it's statistically low, but you have to have the mindset of every off-duty cop in brazil. If you don't understand that reference then you don't belong on this forum.
+
+>You get tired of it. Now, i have the luxury of avoiding bad people and places. 
+
+You could at least carry a gun that is no more uncomfortable than a phone in your pocket. Do it for society. You are trained as you say, you could save another person from mortal danger. Yet you choose to be selfish.
+--- 57889054
+>>57887548
+Large pack of feral niggers never burned down my local stores before either, the fuck is your point?
+--- 57889059
+>>57888556
+He probably carries revolver leave him alone
+--- 57889147
+>>57882655
+Some dude in New York stabbed a baby daddy to death in self defense at a convenience store recently. Guy got put in holding for days without medical attention. 
+
+His charges got dropped by the end of it but fuck man.
+--- 57889226
+>>57877683 (OP)
+>I carry the cheapest ammunition I can find for personal defense because if FMJ's worked just fine in wars like the Battle of the Atlantic or in Operation Rolling Thunder, then FMJ's are good enough for me.
+ 
+For real my nigga, 9mm is 9mm
+--- 57889570
+>>57887426
+New Glock owner here. We are apparently the pair of people who weren't born with this knowledge. It's a pretty well guarded secret online but this video shows placement and hasn't been removed from Youtube yet: 
+https://youtu.be/18Di2i1bgTs [Embed]
+--- 57889606
+>>57888266
+I heard the trigger was hit or miss on those, hows the trigger on yours?
+--- 57889680
+>>57889606
+feels fine havent had any trouble yet
+--- 57889741
+>>57878532
+That's a great photo
+--- 57889979
+I don't actually like guns, I just own them because I am not physically capable of killing a man at range unarmed
+--- 57890173
+>>57877683 (OP)
+I feel like people reee too hard over Bubba guns, ignoring the obvious eldritch horrors there are tasteful examples.
+
+I for one am dropping sniper mosin guts in a KPYK Chassis for a nice long bolt gun. I like the idea of taking a old crippled war vets brain and putting it in a fuckin 40k space marine body and slingshoting old weapons platforms into the 21st century.
+--- 57890199
+>>57887572
+Did you retire Gecko45?
+--- 57890314
+I'll probably never be a decent shot with a pistol and I've accepted that. I always get shakes pretty bad once I start shooting. I train most weekends but I don't seem to be improving beyond what I already can do. Not sure if I'm just shit or just need to stop being a shaky faggot
+--- 57890352
+>>57890314
+Drink a tallboy before shooting, why do you think painters are alcoholics? Steadies the hands.
+--- 57890400
+>>57877683 (OP)
+I hope i'm never in a road rage situation because I don't know how I would react. once I had a person follow my ass around the road wildly and I didn't own guns back then. I think they had a case of mistaken identity, they tried to cut me off and get in front of me, trying to look at my face. it's scary because I don't know if a crazed person like that is gonna shoot in my vehicle and strike me in the heart or the brain. do I shoot that person first before they can shoot me? it sucks living in america because any bozo can get a gun eazily.
+--- 57890416
+>>57878005
+>Leans into it
+Thank you
+--- 57890421
+>>57878532
+Ive seen that happen. It drops the dude lke a baseball bat to the back of the head. The guys defenses are totally down and is in protection mode, so he crumbles!
+--- 57890449
+>>57878532
+Someone should photoshop his bicep in place of the baby and the baby in place of the bicep.
+--- 57890472
+>>57890314
+You probably have some bad habits that you don't realize are fucking you up because no one ever told you not to do it
+--- 57890477
+>>57877683 (OP)
+i like turkish shotguns and pistols
+--- 57890493
+>>57890477
+--- 57890501
+>>57887572
+a man who carries a gun is a fool every day but one
+--- 57890509
+>>57879314
+Shut the fuck up fudd
+--- 57890519
+>>57877683 (OP)
+I dont really like or hate guns, it's just a thing to me. I just own em because they're useful and likely to get banned, and it gives me something to learn and get skilled on. Not bad
+--- 57890529
+>>57890519
+You listen here, bud. You either make it your entire personality or you can sell them all to me and get off my forum.
+--- 57890543
+>>57877683 (OP)
+Personal preference. FMJ can cause over penetration which can be a bad thing in a self defense situation. Combat is a different situation. But in the end a well placed shot is what's important. I personally wouldn't carry the cheapest ammo I could find because QC is a real thing and a failure to fire could be life and death.
+--- 57890547
+>>57877683 (OP)
+This is just the objective truth. After breaking in my gun with 500 rounds of 124g/147g I'm going full cheap and getting boxes of 115 gr. Unless the ammo instantly kills the target, it is always better to have more ammo then to have muh piercing for a 9mm ammunition
+--- 57890553
+>>57886249
+i kinda like it but think imma get the poor mans version
+--- 57890642
+>>57890553
+Get an Automag II
+--- 57890835
+I keep on going to websites and stores in real life looking for a shotgun or hunting rifle when I have the money to purchase a firearm and every fucking time I go, I buy a fucking Milsurp rifle instead. Every fucking time. 
+
+A milsurp rifle as a hunting rifle would not be much of a problem. If I didn't hunt in a mountainous state. I went hunting elk with a 1896/11 with no goddamn scope because of this. Even worse I'm going for a masters in history right now so job opportunities are iffy but this degree leads to park ranger jobs ironically. What the fuck am I going to carry in a park ranger job?
+--- 57890905
+>>57877683 (OP)
+FMJ is fine. Good JHP will do its job much better in most situations, but FMJ will do what it's good at in ALL situations.
+--- 57890906
+I on occasion rather than either my 9x19 or 9x18 carry a pocket 22lr.
+--- 57891072
+>>57877930
+>>57878005
+Muskets fired plain lead balls and they absolutely fucked people up, all this retard hand wringing over what type of modern bullet is 'best' is just because the tech is so good now there's little more to tall about. Same with your 9mm vs .45 threads constantly being posted.

k/57878051.txt

@@ -263,3 +263,805 @@ He didn't want you to think he didn't have a fork.
 But this can happen with countless guns with an extra long mag. This guy would basically break any WW2 era gun if he got his hands on it.
 
 Glock is retarded proof, I get it, but the solution is to stop being a retard.
+--- 57879713
+>>57878051 (OP)
+>the ejector is not replaceable
+Excuse me? How the fuck was this allowed?
+--- 57879743
+>>57879713
+Its part of the serialized fcg. Replacing it is replacing the "gun"
+--- 57879752
+>>57878051 (OP)
+This isn't new: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/269368-p320-damaged-ejectors/
+
+>Per the Sig rep, they will bend it back once under warranty.
+LMAO
+--- 57879765
+>>57879743
+Other guns keep it as a serviceable part though, even if it isn't always the most friendly thing to service, because they do wear.
+--- 57879807
+>>57879216
+assassinations are NOT real and they can NOT hurt you mr representative
+--- 57879904
+>>57879807
+so 1?
+--- 57879962
+>>57879157
+>I don't care about any gun that can't be used to overthrow the government so buying handguns seems stupid to me
+You are a bigger moron than the siggers.
+What criteria does a gun have to meet to be “capable of taking the govt down”? I really want to see your answer because you might just out yourself as the stupidest person on the board.
+--- 57879969
+>>57879962
+>siggers
+whats a sigger
+--- 57879988
+>>57879190
+>being this new
+>(((Jarred Kushner's))) father in law
+r/thedonald shutting down was the worst thing to ever happen to 4chan.
+--- 57879992
+>>57878816
+>>57878836
+if you watched the video, which you didnt, youd know he pointed out exactly inside the guns where the military spec ones were already drop safe.
+--- 57880153
+>>57879988
+>>being this new
+pic rel
+>r/thedonald shutting down was the worst thing to ever happen to 4chan.
+using the iron law of woke projection that would mean you're a bunch of faggy gun enthusiasts that got chased off of reddit?
+--- 57880175
+>>57879969
+It's our word, but you can use sigga
+>I like the p320
+>My sigga...
+--- 57880201
+>>57880175
+I don't speak ebonics
+--- 57880902
+>>57880153
+This has to be a troll, no one is this big of a faggot.
+--- 57880944
+>>57880902
+>This has to be a troll, no one is this big of a faggot.
+I'm twice as big of a faggot as that
+--- 57880983
+>>57879022
+If all the other replies haven't told you already, they. Are absolutely assblasted unironically seething faggots. SIGs are fine, Glockfags and CZoibois just can't believe their favorite flavor of wonder none lost the big army contract.
+--- 57881119
+>>57879157
+Gets new gun, is upset that its literally designed wrong.
+
+Apparently this is inconceivable to the sigger and must be a paid marketing campaign by big Glock.
+--- 57881156
+>>57878788
+Does anyone hold down their magazine release while inserting a magazine?
+--- 57881181
+>>57878051 (OP)
+Behold, here comes the superior handgun.
+--- 57881212
+Just passing through. Letting all you cow pokes know that sig is owned by a jew. Happy trails y'all.
+--- 57881443
+>>57878788
+>https://files.catbox.moe/rz2qr4.mp4
+why is he doing it without the slide on?
+--- 57881462
+Sig P320 is a flawed handgun. Why siggers try to defend it so hard, I’ll never know.
+>bu… but you’re just sour grapes!!!
+It’s a $600 gun, anyone that can afford a Glock, M&P, etc. could afford one.
+--- 57881504
+>>57881443
+Most importantly, why is he pressing the mag release while inserting a mag?
+--- 57881508
+>>57881443
+with slide on you wouldn't be able to see inside the gun or whats going on
+--- 57881527
+>>57881508
+With slide on maybe part of the mag would be in contact with the slide. With the slide on maybe the position of some parts is different.
+
+You wouldn't believe how many times I thought something was wrong with a gun, only to put it back together and see it working flawlessly.
+--- 57881540
+>>57879752
+>Per the Sig rep, they will bend it back once under warranty.
+AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
+--- 57881551
+>>57881527
+with the slide on and forward this issue cant happen. with the slide on and locked back it is the same as having the slide off
+
+obviously if the mag catch grabs the magazine before it over inserts this isnt an issue but it doesnt always do that or sometimes people ride the button. there is a reason sig put over insertion protection on the M17 and the OG 17 round mags
+
+the question is why did they strip that feature out?
+--- 57881739
+>>57879157
+Imagine being this mad that there are people out there trying to save you your own hard earned money LMAO
+--- 57881762
+>>57879209
+Literally can not happen to a glock though so I don't see your point.
+--- 57881783
+>>57878051 (OP)
+HK wins again!
+--- 57881850
+>>57878051 (OP)
+Why is the guy's voice so fucking weird?
+--- 57882602
+>six years later and Glocktards still can't get over the MHS competition
+--- 57882639
+SIG's logo is cooler
+Glock has a gay logo and rhymes with cock
+--- 57882676
+>>57878836
+They were surplus. They belonged to B Co, 2/327. I was one of the armorers who packed them up.
+--- 57882697
+>>57878836
+>>57882676
+They were drop safe also. We returned them to Sig because Sig sent us newer 320s a couple years after our first batch as part of the Army's second, larger contract.
+--- 57882702
+if you use an extended magazine you deserve to have your gun broken. learn to aim.
+--- 57882722
+>>57882602
+--- 57882824
+What the fuck is this thread.
+
+This is a legitimate problem with the P320. The guy may be a faggot, but he’s right. This is another example of the P320 being lazily designed, which is just another example of nuSig being a dogshit company.
+
+That being said, this thread is half full of people absolutely seething that people are starting to point this out more frequently. What is wrong with you? This shit happens to companies, it happened to Remington, Kimber, and outside of the gun industry there were times where legacy brands go down the shitter. The best thing to do is to acknowledge that, move on, and put pressure on the company to stop putting out dogshit until they either break or make it. 
+
+Ron isn’t going to fuck you if you defend his shitty gun online.
+--- 57884019
+>>57881156
+My guess is that the magazine catch also prevents over-insertion, but for the purposes of the conversation (slamming a magazine in quickly) there's the possibility of it going in too fast for the mag catch to grab onto the mag.
+--- 57884129
+>>57878051 (OP)
+Filthy (((Siggers))) get what they fucking deserve.
+Why would anyone buy a POS monkey-model pistol made by a bunch of Faux-Germanic Amerimutt/heebs?
+Especially when the pistols have indian-made components, and have several design and quality control flaws which have been public knowledge for years?
+--- 57884139
+>>57884019
+The mag catch only works in one direction. It doesn't prevent over-insertion and the resultant cervical trauma.
+--- 57884175
+>>57879022
+because anti sig posters are racist anti semite nazi chudcel antivax transphobe pissbabies who don't believe in the hecking sciencerino
+--- 57884201
+>>57878051 (OP)
+How do Siggers even defend themselves at this point? All they can do is say "MUH GLOCK" like being better than a Glock is a goal. It's not the 90's anymore and everyone is better than a standard Glock except for Taurus and Turkshit
+--- 57884208
+>>57884139
+Hmm, square hole, sharp edges on either notch of the mag catch.. I'm calling BS on that.
+--- 57884249
+Isn’t Sig a Jewish company?
+--- 57884372
+>>57882602
+DoD:
+>Hey we want our next military sidearm to be modular.
+
+Sig:
+>Ok
+
+Everyone else:
+>No
+
+DoD:
+>Sig wins
+
+/k/:
+>WTF HOW DID SIG WIN THEY BRIBED THE JUDGES CEO IS JEWISH OMG WTF
+--- 57884389
+>>57884372
+Everyone knows it was the price that did Glock in and anyone that doesn't wasn't actually paying attention to the MHS until it was finished.
+--- 57884416
+>>57884249
+110%.
+SIG Sauer Inc (SIG USA) is also completely unrelated to SIG Sauer GmbH of Germany, and SIG Sauer AG of Switzerland.
+It's like how Springfield Armory Inc is completely is a new company with a fake name meant to trick boomers into thinking it's in any way related to the old US government arsenal.
+--- 57884419
+>>57884208
+its quite easy to push up faster before the magazine catch engages.
+the other thing is the magcatch spring is fairly weak. its not locking that shit in and impossible to move.
+--- 57884469
+>>57884419
+That was essentially what I said in >>57884019, without the lie about the catch only working in one direction. No different than AR15 mags: square hole, square catch, without overinsertion stops there could be issues.
+--- 57884559
+>>57884372
+More like
+DoD:
+>Hey we want our next military sidearm to be modular.
+
+Berettas: 
+>*eat it's own shit*
+
+Glock:
+>We've been that for years
+
+Sig:
+>We can make that cheaper than glock, but the quality is shit
+
+Everyone else:
+>No
+
+DoD:
+>Sig wins because one of ours is on the board
+
+HK:
+>Wait there was a contest and you didn't invite me?
+--- 57884662
+>>57884559
+It does make me wonder about how much truth there might be to >>57879242
+A state-funded small arms manufacturer makes sense.
+--- 57884703
+>>57884662
+It probably makes sense, from a geopolitical standpoint it would make sense to have weapons made for military and possibly police to be domestic, and by proping up SIG (which already has. A good name prior) it would cut down on "accidental" gun problems from a foreign gun maker whose state of origin may not agree with America at any given time.
+--- 57885025
+>>57879262
+Why would glowies try to prevent the cheapest possible gun with a 100% markup for brides to be stopped? Glowies are trying hard to push SIG and you can tell anytime their is a SIG event
+--- 57885191
+There's at least one or two paid SIG shills in this thread, isn't there?
+--- 57885231
+>>57879713
+I was wondering the same thing. It's a wear part and I don't think I've ever seen a pistol where you couldn't replace one. Are you supposed to just trash that whole serialized frame insert when it wears out?
+--- 57885247
+>>57879022
+Must be a cohencidence
+--- 57885263
+>>57879752
+>On another note, did you know that a 2 inch group within 10 yards is considered acceptable accuracy for the "match grade" X5?
+Sig: Not even once.
+--- 57885274
+>>57880983
+It's always the same exact shit said word for word like it's copy pasted.
+--- 57885283
+>>57879752
+>the Sig P320 isn't designed to handle slide lock reloads unless you gently insert the mag
+God I fucking hate what Sig has become. Guess I lucked out when I wasn't able to buy that P250 I wanted several years ago, since that was designed the same way and almost certainly has the same problem.
+--- 57885301
+>>57879642
+it happens on 2011/1911 platform as well, Glock wins again.
+--- 57885325
+>>57885283
+P250 was their initial test run of what would become the p320, my cousin got one when it first came out and it was a massive piece of donkey doo doo.
+--- 57885326
+>>57878051 (OP)
+This is true of almost every pistol, very few have a hard magazine overtravel stops like Glocks and USPs do, most rely on the magazine base plate hitting the frame for this function. This is why extended magazines have sleeves and is not unique to the P320 and it only affects gorillas who SLAM mags in with the maximal force of their body. All of those P320 magazines have over-insertion stops except for the superextendo on the left
+--- 57885363
+>>57885326
+that just isn't true. the legion baseplate mags do not have over insertion stops, the strike industries mag over inserts even with the "stop" and the factory 21 rounder "stop" doesn't stop over insertion except on M17 style frames. The most common mag that causes this issue on the forum posts is that factory 21 rounder
+--- 57885381
+>>57878051 (OP)
+more and more i realize it was better than the sig in every way.
+--- 57885413
+>>57885381
+If you know you know
+--- 57885414
+>>57878522
+Unfathomably based.
+--- 57885415
+>>57885363
+It looks to me like it does. Are you sure this isn't stemming from people slamming full size mags into compact frames or some other combination where the base plate can't contact the frame?
+--- 57885450
+>>57885415
+it looks like it does because it does, that is an m17 style frame
+--- 57885461
+>>57878546
+Back to twitter, Karen.
+--- 57885465
+>>57885415
+Burt why are you constantly defending Siggers? Jesus christ you've been an unpaid spokesperson for them for months now lmao even after getting crowned a few months ago.
+--- 57885476
+>>57879157
+>I don't care about any gun that can't be used to overthrow the government
+seems to me like a concealable weapon would be pretty useful in domestic guerrilla warfare.
+--- 57885483
+>>57885450
+?????? That's a normal P320 frame, it doesn't get any more normal afaik. What is a non-M17 style frame? The X Carry? So people ARE using the wrong magazines in the wrong frames then?
+
+>>57885465
+If you know that much then you know my answer without me having to give it, countering hyperbole
+--- 57885504
+>>57885483
+burt my dude. look at the p320 line up and tell me how many are "normal" M17 style frames...
+
+if you buy a p320 legion for instance, the "correct" legion magazines over insert
+--- 57885516
+>>57885483
+NTA but M17 style or regular P320 is just arguing semantics, they have the same grip shape and cut for that baseplate.
+
+As far as "wrong magazines" go, the fact that there's a distinction at all is questionable. Yes, people can just read the manual and buy the correct magazines which may or not be more expensive.. but a magazine for a doublestack 9mm glock is a magazine for a doublestack 9mm glock, regardless of the manufacturer, or if we're talking about a 17, 19, 45, 19x.. this same rule generally holds true for other pistols.
+--- 57885520
+>>57885415
+>>57885483
+Why are you acting like the problem here is people over inserting mags, rather than Sig designing guns where a wear component that is replaceable on most all other guns is integrated into the frame and replacement is a $200 fix?
+--- 57885527
+>>57885476
+>seems to me like a concealable weapon would be pretty useful in domestic guerrilla warfare.
+how many pistol casualties do you imagine occur in an insurgency
+--- 57885663
+>>57885520
+>replacement is a $200 fix?
+its not
+laws and sig overpricing make it a $200 fix
+if they wanted to they could fix that shit for $20 or cover it for free and still make profit.
+--- 57885712
+>>57885504
+If I search "P320 legion magazine" I see a totally different base plate designed to work with that frame using a magwell. I see a similar discrepancy with the X-Carry frame. This would be like using a Walther P88 magazine in a PPQ with a magwell. It's the exact same body shape, it will fit and it will lock in and it will function but if you slam it it's absolutely going to skip over the mag catch and hit the ejector. How is this Sig's fault and not the fault of someone slamming mags intended to stop on a P320 magwell into a Legion with a different magwell?
+
+>>57885516
+>As far as "wrong magazines" go, the fact that there's a distinction at all is questionable.
+Absolutely disagree, see the Walther example above in this post. If I shove a Sig P226 magazine into a P229 as hard as I can what's going to happen? 
+
+Here's an opposite example. An HK Mark 23 mag and a USP 45 mag are basically identical and fully interchangeable but for the base plate. If you stick a Mark 23 mag in a USP it fits and stops correctly, if you stick a USP mag in a Mark 23 it stops short of locking. The mag is for all intents otherwise identical, but the base plate makes it exclusive to a different gun. If I try to force a USP mag into a Mark 23 as hard as I can, who's at fault? HK for making the base plates different?
+
+I think it's pretty stupid that a 21 round magazine would damage a Legion or X-Five when that's probably the most likely guns to be paired with them and Sig should probably put an idiot warning on them or something if it happens a lot, but there is a clear design difference visual between """M17""" P320 style mag baseplates and Legion style baseplates, and there is no way this damage happens without forceful magazine insertions.
+
+I have dozens of mags modified to fit other guns and if the base plate doesn't touch the frame, I use my brain to stop my hand from being forceful with those mags in those guns.
+
+>>57885520
+A base plate isn't a wear component what?
+--- 57885745
+>>57879076
+lol found the 556 owner. Man you guys are eternally butthurt I'll be hearing about that into my 80's
+--- 57885754
+>>57878051 (OP)
+Given how much scrutiny the P320 has been under (and justifiably so), I would imagine if this was a common issue we'd hear about it more often.
+--- 57885781
+>>57885712
+yeah except these are all P320s...
+
+i played myself arguing with a tripfag thats just on me for being retarded
+--- 57885783
+>>57885663
+>laws
+That were in place for decades before Sig designed the gun. Not keeping them in mind when designing the gun when the US is the largest market for guns is a failure on Sig's end.
+
+>>57885712
+>A base plate isn't a wear component what?
+The ejector you fucktard.
+--- 57885817
+>>57885712
+See, the only problem with all of your examples is that the guns you're talking about have different names. Whereas the Legion, X5, X Carry, M17, etc. all are the "P320" by name. Fuck, they're just grip modules, you can take your trigger group and swap grips in 20 seconds. You can't make the same argument for the USP, Mk23, P88, PPQ, or otherwise.
+>>57885745
+I wouldn't buy that genuinely mutt-tier amalgamation, I own an imported 550.
+--- 57885886
+>>57885712
+expecting a p320 magazine to work in a p320 is not the same as expecting a USP mag to work in a Mark 23. if the guns are so different that using the wrong p320 magazine on the wrong p320 breaks it thats on sig for not just giving them new model names
+
+captcha H82A lol
+--- 57885953
+>>57881551
+>the question is why did they strip that feature out?
+Because now they can sell you a mag sleeve instead.
+--- 57886010
+>>57878062
+>>57878132
+>>57879131
+>>57879157
+>>57879209
+>>57879220
+>>57880983
+>>57882602
+>gun that was released in 2014 has major issue
+>compare it to a cheap, ubiquitous gun released in 1982 that does not have this issue because it is such a simple fix
+>apparently this is a conspiracy from big gaston
+--- 57886082
+>>57885783
+The ejector isn't a wear component either, what are you talking about? It's unintended damage.
+
+>>57885781
+>>57885817
+>>57885886
+The point isn't that the guns are different it's that they use the same exact magazine bodies. You can take a Walther P99 magazine, swap only the base plate, and it'll correctly fit a P88C. But if you take a P88C mag and slam it into a P99 it's gonna hit the ejector even though the mags are exactly the same length and construction. Same mag everything, except base plates. There's no parallel I can think of where a design changes the insertion depth of the same pistol with the same length grip, but there are tons of examples of incompatibility as a result of baseplate changes among the same pistol model, especially revolving around magwells which seems to be a key factor here.
+
+There's a gun tickling the back of my memory which did just change the baseplate and nothing else about the mag and made new ones incompatible with old ones, but I can't think of it. Was it a Beretta? Anyway it doesn't matter if it's a different gun, magazine geometry is what matters.
+--- 57886133
+>>57879642
+Most guns have over insertion stops for this very reason retard.
+Try to find me a single military gun other than the SIG that has this issue.
+--- 57886162
+>>57886082
+here is the P320 Legion with its objectively correct, on the same product page magazine
+
+it does not have over insertion protection because sig designed it wrong.
+--- 57886189
+>>57884469
+The AR magazine catch is designed to work as an over insertion stop which is why there is that bump on the mag body and a groove in the magwell.
+--- 57886200
+>ejector isn't a wear component
+jesus christ this board is full of fucking retards
+--- 57886378
+>>57886162
+What is your source that it doesn't? I don't have one in hand to inspect obviously but why wouldn't it work like every other pistol which uses beveled aluminum baseplates which hit and stop on the magwell? Did you think the hump I circled >>57885415 was a specially designed overtravel stop feature or something and it's lack means the magazine can't stop on anything else? I just circled where the baseplate touches the magwell like it does on every pistol. In that circled P320 pic the mag could just as easily stop on the nose of the baseplate as on the side.
+
+I see a mark in Hickok's video that looks like it functions the way I'm expecting, with the baseplate hitting the magwell. Can you show otherwise?
+https://youtu.be/EQvo73qki1w?t=533 [Embed]
+--- 57886411
+>>57886162
+It looks to me like the mags are stopping right there. And he's not even using Legion mags, the table is full of regular P320 """"M17 style"""" mags
+--- 57886453
+>>57878538
+Just put it on safe, bro.
+--- 57886488
+The ejector is non-replaceable? Why is that? Is it because it's machined to the inside of the slide?
+--- 57886500
+>>57886488
+It's not a separate part like on any gun designed by competent engineers. It's a piece of the metal subframe cut and bent into shape.
+--- 57886508
+>>57879765
+Its literally a machined part of the frame on the Beretta 92fs, the 1911 a PERMANENT fixture, and molded into the fucking frame of the USP.
+
+Its literally just dependent on the manufacturer.
+--- 57886509
+Part of the serialized module.
+--- 57886511
+>>57886488
+It's part of the stamped chassis, and Sig will charge you $200 for a new one. Basically any other gun makes it a separate part that can be serviced.
+--- 57886515
+>>57886500
+>>57886509
+>>57886511
+That is fucking retarded.
+--- 57886518
+>>57886508
+>the 1911 a PERMANENT fixture
+lmao no it fucking isn't you noguns retard. Swapping 1911 extractors is a 5 minute job at most.
+--- 57886524
+>>57886518
+You're still correct, but we're talking about ejectors, not extractors.
+--- 57886529
+>>57886518
+*ejector not extractor. It's actually easier to swap ejectors on one.
+--- 57886538
+>>57886508
+>the 1911 a PERMANENT fixture
+It's staked in place, but it's also a chunky solid block rather than a spindly finger that can be bent like on the P320.
+--- 57886551
+>>57886508
+>Its literally a machined part of the frame on the Beretta 92fs
+What did he mean by this?
+--- 57886558
+>>57886508
+>Its literally a machined part of the frame on the Beretta 92fs
+It's not though.
+--- 57886567
+>>57886508
+>Average intelligence of a sigger
+--- 57886643
+>>57879216
+You never watched a ISIS video have you?
+--- 57886671
+>>57885325
+>>57885283
+I thought the P250 was the good one and the P320 was the shit one?
+--- 57886681
+>>57884129
+>pistols have indian-made components
+Which ones?
+--- 57886682
+>>57886643
+yeah I remember when they cut off that dude's head with a berretta was tits
+--- 57886684
+>>57886500
+Why doesn't HK, Beretta, Walther or anyone else who uses molded in or integrated extractors given shit over this? Are HK, Beretta and Walther owners just smart enough to know hot to slam the wrong magazines into their guns with the full force of a thousand suns? Or is it because it's a made up outrage based on a fallacious nonproblem?
+--- 57886688
+>>57886558
+>>57886551
+Sorry, its installed with a tapered pin that is then double staked in place along side a fucking roll pin.
+
+What a mountain of difference.
+
+>>57886538
+The P320 unit is made from 7 gauge high strength stainless.
+
+This whole fucking thing is a self admitted Glock fag's spergout.
+
+The P320 and P250 have been out for how long and yet suddenly, out of nowhere, this is an issue?
+--- 57886697
+>>57886684
+*ejectors
+Anon got me spun
+--- 57886763
+Man I can't wait to see what kind of retarded corner cutting and shitty QC comes to light once all those new Sig rifles and MGs start getting fielded.
+--- 57886798
+>>57886671
+P250s were always shit but werent plauged by costcutting. It was a bad design executed compentently. P320 didnt even get the competent part right.
+Nobody liked the p250 but it was the first of its kind. You expected it to be meh.
+--- 57886826
+>>57886671
+The P250 was basically the same thing, except it was a hammer fired DAO design. They also got gimped because Sig had problems and needed to add a firing pin block safety, and decided integrating it into the rear sight was the best option so you don't get any sight options outside of the factory white dot/night sights.
+--- 57886836
+>>57886688
+>Part that wears down with use over time is finally starting to show signs of wearing down.
+How could this only start happening, now?!?!
+--- 57887406
+>>57886684
+Because they have over insertion stops.
+--- 57887449
+>>57879022
+Short version, they are Remington from 20 years ago. Rapidly diminishing QC, coasting on name and image from decades prior, new stuff isn’t up to the same standards, downgrading materials, while still charging brand name price. Actually on 2nd thought it’s worse than Remington. They weren’t as expensive and never outsourced production to India
+--- 57887474
+>>57879108
+>he thinks Sig hate isn’t organic
+It’s kinda taken over as a meme but if they didn’t consistently fuck up the critiques wouldn’t have merit. They do have merit and that’s the issue
+--- 57887482
+>>57879131
+How much is Mr Cohen paying you?
+--- 57887492
+>>57887449
+>doesn't answer question
+>repeated narrative 
+k
+--- 57887510
+>>57887474
+>It’s kinda taken over as a meme
+holy fucking shit you must be retarded to think a specifically tailored shilling campaign is a meme 
+> but if they didn’t consistently fuck up the critiques wouldn’t have merit. They do have merit and that’s the issue
+its fucking nuts
+every reply 
+>its real
+>repeat narrative 
+whoever hired this e-marketing firm needs to get fired
+--- 57887668
+>>57878051 (OP)
+>”ejector is not replaceable”
+This has to be fake, right?
+--- 57887680
+>>57887668
+its part of the sub frame and is considered the gun by the ATF. if you break it you have to buy a new p320.
+--- 57887797
+>>57886681
+Good morning sirs.
+All of them.
+--- 57887861
+>>57879166
+Umarex makes powder burners?
+--- 57887923
+>>57887406
+The USP specifically in 9mm and .40 have two overinsertion stops like Glock, the USP 45, the rest of the HKs and all the others have the same single mechanism as a P320: their baseplates.
+
+Try again?
+
+>>57887797
+Who cares where it's made? Can you demonstrate that Indian or Israeli Sig parts are inferior to US made parts?
+
+I can demonstrate that US made parts are inferior to Indian parts; the only two Sig parts I've had break were made in the US. And they were both replaced for free, even this 10+ year old mag release far past warranty.
+
+>>57887861
+Umarex owns Walther and makes all their rimfires and some of their cheaper centerfires.
+--- 57888033
+>>57887923
+I didn't know that about Umarex; thanks, anon.
+--- 57888049
+>>57878051 (OP)
+Are those factory P320 frames? I read somewhere the issue is more prevalent with aftermarket frames.
+--- 57888097
+>>57888049
+According to anons and that image, it seems to be mostly on Legion and X-Carry frames when people use mags with base plates for regular P320 frames
+--- 57888101
+>>57886162
+Why do they insist on giving all their guns cringe ass names like TREAD and LEEJUN?
+--- 57888214
+>>57888101
+Because the firearm industry is filled with gullible suckers who will will whip out their credit card like some pavlovian response for anything called a SPARTAN RAGNAROK HONEY BADGER or some dumb shit.
+--- 57888276
+>>57879166
+>Roy Cohen
+Everystein Singleberg Timeowitz.
+--- 57888307
+Let me guess, this isn't a problem for the champion?
+--- 57888360
+>>57887923
+>barely 1mm of material thickness for a mag release
+>on a sintered part resulting in brittle failure
+holy fuck siggers are beyond help
+--- 57888391
+>>57879209
+but DA GLAWK doesn't have the issue, so you are just a mad sigger
+--- 57888438
+>>57888360
+lol Yeah the design is pretty dumb, doubly so considering the cutout in the mag is about 3x that size. It should be shaped like any other gun, with a ramp on the downward side. It can't even be reversed, there's no reason for it to be symmetrical like that. The P225 mag release is correctly shaped
+--- 57888678
+>>57878051 (OP)
+>>57878788
+>>57881762
+>Literally can not happen to a glock
+Ding dong, you are wrong
+https://twitter.com/WSSjcklp/status/1647859367189037057
+--- 57888735
+>>57888678
+Interesting!
+--- 57888827
+>>57879157
+>there is some concerted effort to counter signal sig.
+I don't doubt they have issues It's just the sig spam is CERTAINLY inorganic.
+
+Have you considered that they've been actually fucking up bad enough, in a way that is not acceptable for a major firearms manufacturer, to warrant all the hate? This is a place where we discuss weapons senpai
+--- 57888858
+>>57879202
+>I don't even care if sig actually sucks, but the effort is inorganic.
+
+Correct, I make a concerted effort to make at least 3 posts shitting on Sig per day, because its my duty to humanity
+--- 57889005
+>>57879904
+WW1 was triggered by a man with a handgun shooting and killing someone important. Stop being a retard
+--- 57889012
+>>57889005
+but 1 though right?
+--- 57889015
+>>57884662
+Basically all the good domestic manufacturers died out some time in the last 30 years.
+The only ones left are the unambitious and fairly antiquated ones like S&W or Ruger or the memes that somehow make a profit like Mark Serbu and Keltec. With a smattering of sometimes actually innovative companies that are just too small to be relied on, POF for example. 
+Colt/Winchester/Remington, etc., are all zombie companies these days. 
+Euros might have American branches to make guns over here, but those aren't totally trustworthy due to international politics. 
+
+SIG is the US's best bet to make into a competitive firearms manufacturer to keep around purely domestically for supply security and as a vendor for export.
+--- 57889041
+>>57884175
+You get all these adjectives for pointing out the CEO is a jew. The moment SIG goes Spanish Empire and expels them, it enters a golden age just like history always repeats itself.
+--- 57889057
+>>57885191
+Paid for by the ADL for connections with the cousin of Sig's CEO. They are from the same synagogue.
+--- 57889069
+>>57889015
+This is retarded, there doesn’t need to be a “national firearms company”. 
+
+It’s pure corruption, there’s not really too much else too it really.
+--- 57889084
+>>57889015
+you don't know many manufacturers then if that's your list of them, you just hear less of them because they don't have the marketing that Sig has.
+--- 57889106
+>>57879204
+Umarex owns walther and the cheap walthers like the creed and ccp and what have you are made in umarex factories and not walther factories.
+--- 57889129
+>>57878051 (OP)
+sig has a literal jew CEO. He's known to have cut corners on Q&A, and uses indian manufacturing, and now he cuts corners on R&D.
+Total shit show.
+This is the only "sig" I'll ever own unless they fix their shit.
+--- 57889142
+>>57888827
+I’ve been called inorganic like 40 times shit talking Sig on /k/. I just really don’t like them as a company and want people to know about all of the shady shit they’ve done the past decade.
+--- 57889192
+>>57889084
+There are thousands of manufacturers. Probably at least 1 more gun company is registered every day at this point. 
+There aren't thousands that could theoretically outfit the US Army during a war with China for several years straight. Trying to contract between a thousand small manufacturers who previously just made 10 C list AR15s a month with their 2 CNC machines would be an exercise in insanity. 
+>>57889069
+Any country that is liable of getting into a large war needs to have significant domestic manufacture. And the US Government has proven that they really want to go to war with China whenever they get the chance to do it. Ain't nothing we can do about that. 
+Right now, our best domestic firearms manufacturers are American branches of foreign gun companies. All of which are at the mercy of international politics and international economic changes. 
+The Army is giving SIG a boost for the same reason that China keeps Norinco and CSCG around, or Russia keeps Kalashnikov around.
+--- 57889283
+>>57888678
+That's a gen3
+--- 57889665
+I'm just here to see if the wordfilter still works.
+
+Basedplate.
+--- 57890236
+>>57879270
+Tldr existed before Reddit was even a website
+--- 57890243
+>>57879407
+>Siggers once again deflect rather than explain why Sig doesn’t suck
+--- 57890325
+>>57890236
+>'a nigger actually invented the light bulb'
+>*turns out he actually invented some hardly-used filament that was never put into commercial production
+cool bro
+--- 57890337
+>>57890243
+>>Siggers once again deflect rather than explain why Sig doesn’t suck
+I don't care about Sig its just weird there's this inorganic weird effort to shit-talk some random company
+inb4 you explain why Sig is Le Terrible for the 14th time
+--- 57890355
+Pretty inorganic in here honestly.
+--- 57890385
+>>57890355
+but bro it's run by (((()))()()()()()() so that means you can shit up the board for hours on end! Seriously it's weird how it's the same exact shit almost word for word said ad nauseam over and over again. It's not even being said to spread awareness it's just said out of rage or spite.
+--- 57890425
+>>57890337
+Have you considered stopping sucking off Sig for a little, letting your brain get some oxygen, and thinking about it for a little? Name another gun that you can do $200 worth of damage because you used a magazine for that model gun but not for that exact configuration of that model gun, despite that model of gun being advertised as having mix and match modularity.
+--- 57890432
+>>57890425
+>Have you considered stopping sucking off Sig for a little,
+I don't even care about handguns
+this dispute is fake and gay
+--- 57890461
+>>57890355
+I don't even like the p320, I think they're over hyped by youtubers and dude bros, over priced for what they are, and a shitty design compared to the p365, which also suffers from the same finish issues. 
+But, the anti-sigger shills are one of the most annoying and asinine groups of people on the planet earth and I wish they would all kill themselves.
+--- 57890463
+>>57890355
+Looks like you murdered a unicorn family to color those faggot guns
+--- 57890496
+>>57890461
+>I don't even like the p320
+Me neither, I'm just here to push back against hyperbole
+--- 57890510
+What was the last good year for non-shit Sigs? I like the feel of the P226 but I don't want a Cohengun.
+--- 57890511
+>>57878051 (OP)
+Glock, it just works.
+--- 57890540
+>>57890510
+Cohen hasn't really fucked with metallurgy, the 226 and derivatives are fine. It's the designs made post-Jew that are the problem.
+--- 57890554
+Kill siggers. Behead siggers. Roundhouse kick a sigger into the concrete. Slam dunk a sigger baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy nogunz. Defecate in a siggers food. Launch siggers into the sun. Stir fry siggers in a wok. Toss siggers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a siggers gas tank. Judo throw siggers into a wood chipper. Twist siggers heads off. Report siggers to the IRS. Karate chop siggers in half. Curb stomp pregnant siggers. Trap siggers in quicksand. Crush siggers in the trash compactor. Liquefy siggers in a vat of acid. Eat siggers. Dissect siggers. Exterminate siggers in the gas chamber. Stomp sigger skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate siggers in the oven. Lobotomize siggers. Mandatory abortions for siggers. Grind sigger fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown siggers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize siggers with a ray gun. Kick old siggers down the stairs. Feed siggers to alligators. Slice siggers with a katana.
+--- 57890588
+>>57890510
+It's virtually impossible to define it via years like that because Sig US AND Sig Germany were assembling frankenguns with parts from both countries for a number of years while they operated concurrently. But very very broadly, the late-2000s were the years for those frankenguns which did have a bad reputation at the time, say 2007-2010. I'm not sure of the exact year P226s stopped being made in Germany but I want to say it was around 2010 with some German frames and stuff continuing to be made until 2011-2012 or so. They continued making all-German P226 X-Fives and other heirloom models until around 2020.
+
+That said I don't see a much if any difference in the big parts of mine (frame, slide, barrel) and I doubt you could quantify the quality of the small parts since MIM can be as good or as bad as QC allows and there's absolutely no evidence to suggest one country's MIM is of a different quality to another or that one company's machining is different to another. To head off another question here, Sig's problems are all engineering related not manufacturing related as evidenced by them quietly iterating problems out once discovered and future iterations not suffering the same failures.
+
+If you absolutely have to have an all-German one then look for 2006 or earlier. But other than the dumb memes and prejudice in these threads I don't see why you would, Mark 25s are REALLY nice feeling and they are US made.
+--- 57890592
+>>57890510
+>>57890588
+Oh and I forgot to say, German guns are always triple serial numbered on the frame, slide and barrel as well as proofed and date marked. US guns have none of that.
+--- 57890604
+>>57878522
+It’s a Zpap but whatever
+--- 57890616
+>>57890355
+How do you feel about the modern p210? Is it of lesser quality than originals? My fiance really wants one.
+--- 57890622
+>>57890588
+The only sig I would ever get is a Mk 25, I liked it even more than the legion.
+--- 57890653
+>>57890616
+I LOVE it it's one of my favorite guns! I don't know how much they've increased since I got mine but when the P210 Standard came out I thought it was a very good deal at ~$1,100 since the only things the P210 Target at $1,500 has over it are the grips and adjustable sights.
+
+Since the thread wants salacious crumbs, the guide rod screw of mine did break but the gun still functioned and I could have left it like that, but Sig replaced the whole assembly for free. The screw just holds the recoil spring captive instead of free like a P226. I also noticed that if I overtightened the screw that holds the P210 fire control group assembly into the frame it would cause friction with the slide, so I had to un-gronk that screw slightly. Function has been excellent, feels great, looks great and it's a good value compared to the bozo classic P210 prices.
+
+>>57890622
+I don't know what it is about the Mk25 bro but it really does feel a notch above even my German P226, real nice feeling gun!
+--- 57890668
+>>57890653
+Thanks for the feedback. Guess I'll have to make her a happy woman.
+--- 57890675
+>>57889015
+>SIG is the US's best bet to make into a competitive firearms manufacturer to keep around purely domestically for supply security and as a vendor for export.
+lol lmao etc you fucking siggers holy shit. You are pure civilian thinking and have no idea what you're talking about if you think the likes of Textron or General Dynamics or the like couldn't trivially supply the military as they do in general. The AAI subsidiary alone mogs Sig. Hell even if you want to talk US subsidiaries of euro companies, there is FN as well. Where do you think the current LMG (SAW) comes from? Or, you know, ever heard of U.S. Ordnance? I know the name is tricky to remember.
+--- 57890681
+>>57878132
+Is he wrong though
+Siggers be like
+--- 57890710
+Are the anti-Sig threads just new the anti-CZ threads that were so prevalent a few years ago? When /k/ decides to move on from Sig, what gun manufacturer will be in the cross-hairs next?
+--- 57890719
+>>57890710
+Keltec
+--- 57890729
+>>57890710
+Everyone already agrees that CZ owners are troons, and that SIG owners are military washouts or glowies. I say that new smart gun brand will get it's time in the shit when it is inevitably found that it's a shit gun that doesn't work but the people in charge try a media blitz for force out competition
+--- 57890734
+>>57890432
+you care enough to defend it
+--- 57890758
+>>57890710
+I predict in 5 years time Berettafags will have become so numerous and insufferable as a result of Beretta's incredible quality and pricing getting their guns into sperg's hands that they will become the new Glocksuckers, exhausting any remaining goodwill of the brand despite it's inherent virtues, leaving it's reputation here to slump back to a ~2010 era noguns bully target du jour
+--- 57890759
+>>57890734
+didn't defend them
+--- 57890773
+>>57890719
+I think a lot of the hate on /k/ comes from the board's tendency to be contrarian. CZ got it because a lot of younger, first time gun owners started buying them, and a lot of the Sig hate comes from the fact that they're raking in military contracts left and right. I don't know if Keltec is popular enough to get a reaction out of this board.
+--- 57890777
+>>57885274
+Is it wrong though? It should be a pasta for how often people ask about Sig products and their quality.
+--- 57890793
+>>57890758
+That was my thought too. Lot of M&P shield fanboys popping up lately too. I could see them making the board's shitlist down the line.
+--- 57890797
+>>57890773
+Keltec is too much of a well known meme to actually be a thing to hate. It would be like car guys suddenly hating Alfa Romeo
+--- 57890807
+>>57890793
+M&P might get big as the new anti-glock crowd as Siggers reputation falls ground floor. I can see M&P hate threads.
+--- 57890850
+>>57885381
+Do berettas have overinsertion stops too?
+--- 57890881
+>>57886688
+>What a mountain of difference.
+Yes because it's replaceable without changing the entire guts of the gun
+--- 57890929
+>>57890850
+on the slide catch. 
+I had to see if sig would have done the same. they dont.
+--- 57890935
+>>57890929
+for reference

k/57878145.txt

@@ -50,3 +50,139 @@ Most people will be doing this job.
 Scavenge everything and bring it to one central location. It will be rationed by the warlord. Perishables will be used first. If it has a seed, plant it. 
 Hunt whenever practical for meat, keep fish as a back-up. 
 Your job determines the amount of food you get rationed.
+--- 57879678
+>>57879636
+Good post
+Any thoughts on extruding brass for making cartridges from scratch? Also, when you've used up all the available chemicals I suppose you'd have to find natural sources for your powder and primers. In some parts of the world you have natural sources of sulfur (there are sulfur pits in Ukraine for example) and saltpeter
+I imagine you'd have a lot of trouble extracting and refining some of these things by hand though, seeing as it's been hundreds of years since anyone has had make black powder absolutely from scratch using naturally occurring compounds
+--- 57879707
+>>57879663
+There is an awful lot of unused land that can be planted with vegetables like potatoes and pumpkins. Like road verges and public parks, Also lawns
+So even in an urban area you can actually grow a lot of food. You can raise chickens and rabbits in cages too
+--- 57880453
+>>57879678
+I'm basing this off of where I live. We have several large sporting goods chains that sell reloading equipment. There are also several metal-working shops just outside of town. I guarantee someone here has the expertise to make cases with the machinery and material available.
+
+As for the chemical components, a lot of it can be found at Home Depot/ Lowes. There is also an area known for sulfur about an hour away with nothing but farmland in-between. Saltpeter can be made crudely by using human and animal waste in some particular way. I don't know it off the top of my head, but I have the process saved somewhere. Basically, someone is going to get extra rations for collecting saltpeter from the pissy-shitties slurry.
+
+>>57879707
+Yes, potatoes, melons, zucchini are relatively easy to grow. Like I said, basing this off of my area. We have a large lake halfway surrounded by forest that would be great to grow food. There are also some deer in it. Chickens, ducks, and fish are easy meat sources.
+--- 57880496
+>>57879678
+I think a scenario in which common chemicals are all used up and are no-longer being produced is more of an "end of history" scenario. Any kind of calamity that would cause that level of destruction would be nigh unsurvivable. At that point we're going back to hatchets and clubs.
+--- 57880500
+>>57880453
+>Saltpeter can be made crudely by using human and animal waste in some particular way
+Yeah, you basically put shit piss and dead animals in a big pile, cover it with dirt and leave it for a year or so. I think you need to have a roof over the pile to keep rain off it too. The extraction process is kinda crude and work intensive iirc, lots of boiling and straining and filtering til you get the final product
+--- 57880517
+>>57880496
+Well true enough but in some parts of the world you might run out of these things quicker than other areas. And you'd want to be somewhat self-sufficient anyway, rather than simply using up your old-world stockpiles, even if you have a lot of them
+--- 57880684
+>>57880500
+Hence the extra rations. An extra can of beans per week for the poop boilers.
+--- 57880737
+>>57880684
+Maybe it's a good thing my country is getting filled with pajeet immigrants. They'd do the needful
+--- 57880979
+>>57878145 (OP)
+>Would they start making basic muskets and black powder to offset their ammo shortage?
+
+
+Yeah, unironically they would.
+--- 57881012
+>>57880979
+Give dem niggas a volley
+--- 57882822
+>>57880737
+"Jes coomander, I bil do dee necessary."
+*head bobbles*
+--- 57882872
+>>57878145 (OP)
+>you can purify your own water of most things, including some chemical warfare agents, by using vetiver grass
+>power can be cheaply, effectively, and robustly supplied via sterling engines that run on a variety of fuel sources, including the sun
+First faction to figure these two things out immediately gets to start playing with well fed soldiers and weapons made in a machine shop while everyone is still cobbling archeotech together and fighting over old packets of skittles.
+--- 57882945
+You can make a primitive gunpowder from charcoal, saltpeter, and sulfur in a nuclear apocalypse survival situation. Saltpeter can be sourced from guano (literal batshit) or animal excrement which is nasty but it works.
+--- 57883816
+>>57882945
+> animal excrement which is nasty but it works.
+eh not as simple, you have to ferment it in piss and hay for atleast a couple of months for a good yield
+>>57882872
+what about contaminated soil?
+--- 57884006
+>>57883816
+>what about contaminated soil?
+Vetiver grass is currently in use to prevent erosion, the spread of certain invasive insects, and to purify contaminated soil and water as a form of bioremediation. It handles heavy metal toxicity, high salinity, and excessively low or high pH levels. Really cool stuff. Can also serve as a privacy screen/fence in the same way a good tall hedge can because of the density and height to which it grows. It is also drought resistant. The only real downside to it is that it absolutely needs full sunlight for proper growth.
+--- 57884699
+>>57884006
+>It handles heavy metal toxicity
+u sure it would be able to handle radioactive fallout, i mean how the fuck does it even work, it sucks up all the bad shit while it grows and when its done i toss it our somewhere?
+--- 57885001
+>>57878145 (OP)
+The ammo you have would last you so long that you'd probably have smokeless cartridge production up and running again, at least on some scale, before you ran out.
+Worst case scenario the warlord sets up black powder production to stretch the ammo supply, but there's no reason the muskets would have to be "basic", no reason you wouldn't crank out the latest and best Musket designs anyone ever thought of.
+--- 57885047
+>>57884699
+>u sure it would be able to handle radioactive fallout,
+I'm pretty confident, but don't take my word for it.
+https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32212968/
+14 days to clean water worst case scenario sounds pretty good to me.
+>how the fuck does it even work, it sucks up all the bad shit while it grows and when its done i toss it our somewhere
+Sucks up the bad shit and keeps it safely within its leaves, no need for disposal.
+--- 57885275
+>>57880453
+>Chickens, ducks, and fish are easy meat sources.
+I'd be worried about fags hunting everything to extinction in the first few months. Anyone with a gun is going to think "yeah I'll just go grab some deer" the second they have to think about food.
+--- 57885563
+>>57885047
+won't that fuck up the food chain and make animals inedible
+--- 57885607
+>>57885563
+If you graze your animals on it, yes. You could always... not do that.
+--- 57887060
+>>57879678
+>seeing as it's been hundreds of years since anyone has had make black powder absolutely from scratch using naturally occurring compounds
+false, it still happens, although usually just as a novelty now. You can refine potassium nitrate from urine, but it takes months, Charcoal should be obvious, and sulfur is optional. You can use a ratio of 100 parts KNO3 to 23 parts charcoal to get an acceptable musket powder.
+The US army improvised munitions handbook has a good guide on the process
+--- 57887126
+I spent like six months researching this back in about 2016
+
+>powder
+
+Smokeless is easy enough to make using either the Haber/Ostwald process or the arc process if you're desperate. The factory is likely to blow up sometimes though
+
+>brass
+
+Can be milled from rods of metal, or just reloaded on a reloading press. Making new brass from sheet metal requires industrial grade presses and a bunch of different dies, but it's possible
+
+>bullets
+
+Just melt some lead lmao. Worry about the brain poisoning later
+
+>primers
+
+A true pain in the ass because it's a tiny part with all the mechanical complexity of brass, and primary explosives like killing people. Likely, the only solution is just to accept that whatever primers you build will be garbage compared to pre-war.
+--- 57887304
+>>57887126
+>smokeless powder is easy enough but primers are hard
+How the fuck do people even come to this conclusion when in reality it's the exact opposite?
+--- 57887365
+>>57887304
+>because it's a tiny part with all the mechanical complexity of brass, and primary explosives like killing people
+--- 57887398
+>>57885275
+Much like dumping your shit in the water, that would presumably be heavily punished by whoever the local gang leader was.
+--- 57889762
+I hope civilization collapses so I can re-populate the Earth with my sister.
+--- 57890160
+>>57885047
+>>57884006
+>>57884699
+Why are you niggers talking about fallout contamination of soil?
+Isn't fallout primarily a problem for the first few weeks after which point it's decayed enough to no longer be a serious threat?
+--- 57890189
+>>57890160
+Heavy metal toxicity has a variety of causes beyond just fallout, anon. In any situation where general industry has collapsed there are going to be lots of unintentional spills and leaks that nonetheless are very deadly to the people downstream of them. I've got no clue what the long term effects of fallout are after the radiation has died out, and only looked into it after the other anon asked.
+--- 57891153
+>my thread is still up
+Pleasant surprise, some very intelligent answers itt thanks anons

k/57878883.txt

@@ -47,3 +47,149 @@ Look I love arab women and gently making love to them while their angry brothers
 --- 57879478
 >>57879461
 Based and christpilled. Christ is King and I am His greatest soldier
+--- 57879854
+>>57879006
+Problem is that online security is an endlessly ongoing struggle while physical security is more of a onetime big investment (secure doors+windows, better locks, motionsensor lights, maybe a camera) and then only maintenance (training with your ccw)
+>hardening your online presence isnt hard but for most people they cant deal with a world without being able to watch shitty videos on youtube or endlessly scrolling tiktok fapping to furry tranny porn
+I think there's just a big generational divide between the people who remember the internet without widespread social media and the people who can't fathom not posting everything on instagram.
+If you'd start proposing to stop using Ring, Alexa, cloud-based IoT gadgets, don't buying appliances that need their own app to function, not giving every fucking app on your phone access to all permissions; you'd look like Ted Kaczynski in their eyes (if they even know who he is, maybe there's an "educational" tiktiok about him)
+--- 57880040
+>>57879063
+>everyone thought it was a random homeless guy
+>this is how he actually fucking died
+>the guy who stabbed him wasn't even some rando but rather someone he knew through work
+lol
+--- 57880059
+>mental outlaw
+more like mental midget
+absolute pseud that muppet
+--- 57880075
+>>57878883 (OP)
+So what's the deal with his assassination and it was an assassination because they were quiet and everyone assumed it was like a black guy or something because why not it's America and then they said it was a petite and then an Iranian and then a petite again and everyone kind of given the nature of tech and techies now assumes it's a lover's quarrel. anyway...
+--- 57880114
+>>57878883 (OP)
+Now in my experience and as someone that did this for the military and does it for corpos now cyber security people tend to be massive boot lickers because it's literally their job to enforce policy and detect things their employer doesn't like. If you're worried about someone using Tech as a vector to attack you you should read industrial society and its future you shouldn't learn how to annoy people via group policy and cbt's cleverly disguised as emails.
+
+Anything related to counterinsurgency up to and including us-based companies managing their social media platforms is a good look into how your data is managed and used against you and why ideally you just shouldn't have data and identities on the internet.
+--- 57880162
+Imagine your Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff bezos and some Street shitting Dalit you hired to replace and confound white labor, instead of consigning their fourth or fifth infant corpse to the muck of the Ganges, as would be happening in the "good timeline", just slashes your fucking throat as you're waddling back to your condo with your falafel. The last words you hear are "bitch lasagna".
+--- 57880234
+>>57878883 (OP)
+Mental Outlaw is based nigger. 
+
+It's nice to see when all my interests converge with Mental Outlaw starting to talk about right to repair and Louis Rossmann, and also right to self defense.
+--- 57880245
+>>57880162
+To me the first thing that came to mind was "Knife School". 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsGcg1icSyA [Embed]
+--- 57880318
+I use arch btw
+--- 57880340
+>>57878883 (OP)
+>cpu from 2008
+what the fuck
+--- 57880369
+>>57880245
+
+https://youtu.be/5WzKDdj0CxY [Embed]
+--- 57880421
+>>57880340
+One of last CPUs without Intel ME rootkit.
+--- 57880451
+>>57879063
+unbridled cope. yet another case of white on white crime and bob lee was no doubt a rapist nigger
+--- 57880458
+>>57879461
+>event where some sandniggers
+And the FBI, they escorted the armed killers right to the front door.
+--- 57880476
+>>57880340
+It's still pretty fast for many computing tasks.
+The only reason it might struggle with desktop office/enterprise software and web stuff is that the software is subhuman garbage these days.
+Games, videos and other tasks that might fundamentally require a lot of computation are another matter, of course.
+--- 57880502
+>>57878883 (OP)
+>linux tranny
+--- 57880547
+>>57879063
+>>57879214
+Must have been some good pussy if he died for her
+>>57879427
+He was having an affair with her, double stupid to tell her brother, probably would have been killed by the husband otherwise
+>>57880451
+>white
+--- 57880616
+I work in network security, and I'd be pleasantly surprised if a single one of you actually was particularly hardened in your home computing environment. That said on the scale of things it probably doesn't matter too much if most of you get hacked either, simply because you're not very dependent on it. I have data going back something like 30 years, losing it or my home business environment or everything else would be crushing but I've seen multiple anons be like "oh yeah hdd crashed and I lost all my stuff can you share some of my old porn!?!" and that's it. For most people it's probably enough if they pay for a backup service, and then if they get completely destroyed by ransomware to just reformat or buy new kit, even if it means some of you are part of botnets busy attacking the rest of us. About the only thing that is particularly high risk is online banking, and there it's easy to just tell people "get an iPhone/iPad, keep it on the latest, and use the app" since those are locked down better than most people will do anyway.
+
+I agree that physical security is not done as much as it should be, though also worth noting that it's a lot more expensive to retrofit than to do upfront. But if you're not running a business or other valuable activity or fairly heavily dependent on home networked security getting completely hacked digitally probably isn't that bad if some minimal hygiene is observed.
+--- 57880635
+>>57880616
+
+thank you for a few blips in the dead internet
+--- 57880641
+>>57878883 (OP)
+>Arch
+>567 packages
+>Sigger
+Checks out
+--- 57880689
+>>57880547
+Based sandnigger, adulterers get the rope (knife in this case)
+--- 57881517
+>>57880616
+>hardened in your home computing environment
+Examples/recommendations?
+--- 57881529
+>>57881517
+wrap your cpu with tinfoil
+--- 57881572
+>>57881517
+>Examples/recommendations?
+Keep updated of course, but also run a packet firewall on client system and be cautious about connections. Isolate different stuff in its own VLANs with well controlled firewall between them, and even better for user interactive stuff capable of it (like computers/tablets/phones) use a virtual overlay network based on the noise framework like WireGuard or Nebula. Selfhost as much as possible, use hardware keys as much as possible (YubiKey and NitroKey are the two big ones), use a password manager and good fully random passwords, have your own domain and email control, have a good zfs based NAS with solid auto snapshotting, run gui/ssh and services on separate NICs, and more I'm forgetting. I should make or find some good rundowns, but some stuff is fairly easy and some takes a lot more work and expertise right now than honestly it should. I have no problem envisioning nice GUIs on a lot of this that would let anyone inclined pick the low hanging fruit, but probably unsurprisingly the sorts of folks doing development often don't care about, or flat out suck at, UX and care more about bc. There's also stuff that SHOULD be built-in features, like unexpected entropy increase watchdogs, or bandwidth watchdogs, that afaik you need to program yourself right now. It's not nearly as smooth as it should or could be.
+--- 57882769
+>>57878883 (OP)
+Good thread. Bump
+--- 57882837
+since the IOT (internet of things) is pozzed someone should make a thread on setting up a home security system using open source software/hardware. I like the Raspberry PI but I don't trust them. Still better than that fucking Amazon Ring bullshit that all my normalfag NPC neighbors have normalizing the idea of filming your neighbors on their own property. Fucking cunts.
+--- 57882899
+>>57879473
+>what do you expect?
+In the second case I expect the niggers to begin applauding me for taking their sisters out of the hood
+--- 57882941
+>>57882899
+you didn't just take his sister you took his wife. It's poetic justice watching Western Hijabis slowly become more secular and slutty with lip fillers/plastic surgery and "modest" clothing that is anything but
+
+Islamic and Indian culture is why some degree of Hypergamy is necessary even if it's out of control in the West. All the "based" traditionalism of these cultures that incels champion results in nothing but dysgenic inbred mutants that don't abide by the r/K selection theory
+--- 57882971
+>>57882941
+>r selection: breed with as many different women as possible
+>K selection: only breed with the best possible mate
+
+>Muslims/Indians: only breed with your sister and have 20 kids while being the 18th generation to do so
+--- 57882988
+>>57878883 (OP)
+1. You're a nerd and I'm retarded 
+2. That an m17?
+--- 57885399
+>>57878883 (OP)
+install gentoo
+--- 57887125
+>>57885399
+based
+--- 57887241
+>>57878883 (OP)
+Isn't that guy just a knockoff of Luke Smith, who himself is just a dude who earned a little audience by spoonfeeding them /g/ memes and know-how.
+--- 57887289
+>>57887241
+Anyone that posts Wojaks or uses them for thumbnails should not be taken seriously
+--- 57890311
+https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=1oFMjNYZUMQ
+>FUCKING NORMIES SUCK
+--- 57890444
+>>57882837
+>since the IOT (internet of things) is pozzed
+IOT is a super broad category anon. The big thing with it is to learn to distinguish between stuff that has WAN dependencies ("cloud") and stuff that is fine LAN-only. With a decent router and WAP/switch setup (I like Omada) that supports MPSK/PPSK, you can then very easily isolate IOT kit on its own VLANs and tightly control what it can talk to and how.
+>someone should make a thread on setting up a home security system using open source software/hardware
+For router/gateway/network services I think OPNsense is extremely solid and has both a decent (though unpolished in some respects) GUI and solid documentation, which is something a lot of open source projects lack. Can be installed on essentially any bogstandard PC hardware, with all the benefits that brings. There are other open source options for that role like VyOS if you prefer full commandline for everything.
+
+It gets rougher after that. I haven't found a really good open source video system I'm happy with yet for example, though may just be missing it. Also not sure it really matters vs running something in a dedicated VM and again, just fully isolating it (can talk to cameras, not the internet). It's a deep rabbit hole.

k/57879709.txt

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+-----
+--- 57879709
+if you were to start profiting off of the ukraine war, how would you do it?
+--- 57879720
+As I currently do. Eating weird pancake things in Hitel Mozart Odessa rn.
+--- 57879725
+>>57879709 (OP)
+exactly how people have already done it. Start a gofundme, then disappear with the profits.
+--- 57879726
+Become an employee in the Russian MIC refurbishing mothballed tanks after thousands of lost tanks and ifv’s at the front. Easily 2-3 years of work. Pocket all the money reserved for actual upgrades, i.e. thermals, fire control, etc.
+--- 57879728
+tg accounts fake crowdfunding for both sides
+--- 57879730
+>>57879720
+Your ONE(1) job is to post cats you faggot
+--- 57879733
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Scavenge battlefields for "trophies" to sell to slavaboos abroad.
+--- 57879744
+Become a russian propagandist that pockets money from thirsty boomers: https://twitter.com/p_kallioniemi/status/1647199965540646913
+--- 57879745
+>>57879730
+--- 57879748
+>>57879709 (OP)
+>if you were to start profiting off of the ukraine war, how would you do it?
+run for President of Ukraine
+--- 57879811
+>>57879748
+Please elucidate in detail all of the ways in which Zelensky has been enriched by the war
+And remember your handlers will review your work and poor performance WILL result in you dying in a ditch in the donbass, probably on video for us to laugh at
+--- 57879812
+>>57879709 (OP)
+I would just want to be able to be invisible and invincible. I'd scour the battlefields picking up magazines, rifles and gucci gear whenever I find it. Not even to resell it, just to enjoy it and shoot trash outside.
+--- 57879842
+>>57879709 (OP)
+offer loans for rebuilding damaged infrastructure etc. at very fair interest rates and stakes in rebuilt infrastructure
+
+oy i also have some friends who could do the rebuilding and eventual maintenance of said infrastructure my gentile friend, they are very good, i can get some special prices just for you too
+--- 57879844
+>>57879812
+I dislike this war but the other day I saw a still image of some devastated slavs(ukie or russian I honestly do not know) and saw a wonderful bake' mag, and suddenly wished I was around just to pick shit like that up.
+--- 57879892
+Ukraine offers 20% interest on dollars you put into their banks with 4% being taken back for the Army leaving you with 16% interest.
+--- 57879915
+>>57879892
+holy fucking shit is that true?
+--- 57879959
+>>57879748
+This is the real answer lol. 
+It would also appear that at least a portion of the weapons sent to Ukraine aren’t making it their soldiers and most likely some of those weapons will make their way out of the country and into the hands of private enthusiasts. 
+Then again as long as the US doesn’t do something really silly like I don’t know let a very prolific arms dealer go free n exchange for drug smoking, ungrateful third rate basketball player, as long as they don’t do anything that it’ll probably be fine
+--- 57879964
+>>57879915
+Yup
+--- 57879986
+>>57879964
+i don't know why I'm surprised
+what a fucking grift
+--- 57879997
+Offer to make political threads on the weapons board for a small fee.
+--- 57880005
+>>57879748
+>>57879959
+ >POLAND WANTS TO ANNEX UKRAINE JUST AS RUSSIA DOES
+
+>ZELENSKY STEALS MILLIONS JUST LIKE PUTIN DOES
+
+>THE WHOLE WORLD IS JUST ONE BIG RUSSIA, WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME?????
+--- 57880012
+>>57879959
+>as long as they don’t do anything that it’ll probably be fine
+bro I got some bad news
+--- 57880036
+>collect empty shells
+>smelt them
+>sell for profit
+Do people in warzones not do this?
+--- 57880926
+>>57879709 (OP)
+I'd choose to make $1 for every shitty Ukrainian war thread every faggots and shill posts and be a millionaire by the end of the week. Thanks for the dollar, queerbait.
+--- 57881425
+Buy stock in that South African neon plant.
+--- 57881638
+((( They ))) start wars to facilitate human trafficking.
+--- 57881663
+>>57880036
+brass goblins be gone
+--- 57881693
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Invest in companies that produced whatever the US is sending to Ukraine or seem likely to in the future.
+--- 57881730
+You missed the boat, nerd
+--- 57881735
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Oh I don't know maybe something like send billions in equipment under the guise of supporting Ukraine in order to weaken the Russian military. But hear me out I would, hypothetically only of course, make tax payers pay for initial cost of the equipment while ukraine has to pay something similar to a lease in order to keep the stuff and get more. Then I would pressure EU countries I have a lot of influence over to give ukraine money and support so they can pay for said lease, preferably with monthly payment to cash in not only from tax payers but also from a country in debt for years to come and other countries that feel obligated to pay for it. Maybe even fuel the fire with a bit of shilling in news and social media.
+
+Just a hypothetical idea though.
+--- 57881736
+>>57879709 (OP)
+be American MIC, if you can't get there get into Turkish or German MIC
+--- 57881742
+>>57881425
+>investing in short-term prospects.
+Low energy.
+Copper will be the new oil in less than two decades, and it will last.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOEGKDVvsg [Embed]
+--- 57881746
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Ebay
+--- 57881826
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Buy LNG freighter stock, raytheon, LM, start a tiktok page where i use my 4 years of experience as an MP to legitimize all my retarded takes on the war and get sponsored by world of tanks
+--- 57881891
+>>57881742
+i think you're ill informed about noble gas production, or, it depends if you feel western sanctions on china will hold.
+
+but yes copper is also a safe bet.
+--- 57884068
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Traffic vulnerable Ukrainian girls to Israeli brothels.
+--- 57884081
+>>57879842
+talmudic
+--- 57884763
+>>57879959
+>as long as the US doesn’t do something really silly like I don’t know let a very prolific arms dealer go free n exchange for drug smoking, ungrateful third rate basketball player, as long as they don’t do anything that it’ll probably be fine
+What a lunatic low IQ take.
+--- 57884778
+Make videos about how Russia is actually winning and tellign the truth mainstream media are trying to hide.
+--- 57884847
+>>57879709 (OP)
+I would run a company focusing on the rebuilding post-conflict, snatch the aid money
+--- 57885315
+Sell military "surplus" to /k/ommandos
+--- 57887109
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Buy up a ton of cheap real-estate that is bound to increase in value once the war is eventually over.
+--- 57887170
+>>57884763
+It doesn't matter whether he's going to go back to arms dealing or not, it was a completely retarded self own of a deal that made the US a laughing stock. 
+I was also mainly joking, though not about the arms going missing.
+--- 57887192
+>>57879709 (OP)
+sell defective ball bearings to Russian manufacturing factories
+I get money, their machines get sabotaged, the money is drained from the side I want to lose.
+--- 57887198
+>>57879959
+Kek at the redditcucks who don't get the joke
+--- 57887207
+>>57881746
+Honestly if there was proof that the watch is legit a war trophy I'd be interested. Be cool to wear a genuine piece of militaria, straight from the frontline
+--- 57887212
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Scavenge dead russians for small arms to turn into refurbished parts kits and ship 'em off to AOA.
+--- 57887263
+The completely amoral yet most profitable way is to just sell weapons to both sides. In fact, just sell weapons to both sides of every war and you're guaranteed to get retardedly rich.
+--- 57887284
+>>57887109
+>buying land in Russia
+ngmi
+--- 57890033
+>>57879709 (OP)
+I would start selling ukraine flags and pro ukraine stickers and shit
+This probably would earn more profit if the war had just kicked off
+--- 57890050
+>>57879709 (OP)
+>how would you do it?
+Own a big construction company and offer my services post war to the EU and Ukraine
+--- 57890074
+>>57879709 (OP)
+Well there is an internet LARPING company called the FORWARD OBSERVATIONS GROUP and they seem to be doing it pretty well, that or you could copy that one boomer from last year or Yaeger
+--- 57890086
+Get elected to congress.
+--- 57890376
+>>57879709 (OP)
+sell russian widows into sex slavery (unironically the only way out of the economic hell they're sliding into)
+--- 57890753
+>>57879709 (OP)
+I would beg the US and NATO for billions. Seems pretty fool proof so far.
+--- 57891651
+>>57879709 (OP)
+
+Posting YouTube links on /k/
+--- 57891659
+>>57879745
+look at him go!
+--- 57891685
+Selling airsoft-tier polymer weapon attachments to both sides.
+
+Seeing wooden stock AKs being used in a current year conflict in Europe (as opposed to africa/ME) triggers autism in me, worse than the abysmal online discussion, double think, and constant shilling.

k/57879913.txt

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+-----
+--- 57879913
+Why was SS camouflage so ahead of the curve?
+--- 57879918
+>>57879913 (OP)
+Is that why they lost?
+--- 57879928
+Give it a rest, Dennis.
+--- 57879939
+>>57879918
+>Is that why they lost?
+Camo so good you don't even see them win.
+--- 57879972
+>>57879918
+Post estradiol
+--- 57879979
+>>57879913 (OP)
+Why did you just post a picture of any empty field?
+--- 57879994
+>>57879928
+>Dennis
+Dennis Smirnov is a vatnik from Serbia living off German gibs. Your post makes no sense.
+--- 57880002
+>>57879918
+>>57879928
+>>57879939
+Seething tourists are getting ridiculous.
+--- 57880147
+>>57879918
+>>57879928
+Seethe harder leftypol.
+
+>>57879979
+>>57880002
+Based.
+--- 57881191
+>>57879913 (OP)
+>Why was SS camouflage so ahead of the curve?
+
+Were they? Italy had issued camo much earlier than Germany. England had two separate camo patterns, including one two piece three color suit and the Denison jacket's early DPM pattern. USA issued camo patterns from 1942.
+--- 57881195
+>>57879913 (OP)
+Whole Nazi German doctrine and technology was designed by Nordic Ayyys.
+--- 57881197
+>>57879913 (OP)
+For me, its splinter camo
+--- 57881272
+I want an SS uniform for meme costume parties but I can't find them anywhere senpai.
+--- 57881308
+>>57881301
+I'll look into them you deviant homo.
+Very lickable tummy.
+--- 57881312
+>>57879913 (OP)
+It can't have been that good... They lost lmao
+--- 57881313
+>>57879913 (OP)
+because they were based AF
+
+there was actually some US pattern used in Europe that looked really similar, but they stopped using it for fear of friendly fire
+--- 57881315
+>>57881301
+Reconsider your lifestyle choices.
+--- 57881325
+>>57879913 (OP)
+They should have covered their women with it after they lost
+--- 57881364
+>>57881191
+Correct. The Allies were used came first, just like they did many things before or better than the germans, despite what wehraboos believe
+>>57881313
+See pic related:
+>Infantry of the U.S. 2nd Armored Division in Coutances, France, July 1944. The soldiers wear HBT camouflage. 
+>Due to several friendly fire incidents, the uniforms were withdrawn in late August. Anyone wearing camouflage was considered to be German
+--- 57881377
+>>57881191
+Wehraboos often are mislead to assume the developments of nazi germany’s war machine were unique, when really they are a part of trends that other nations were also on track with. The US used night vision in Okinawa, but wehraboos will only talk about muh Vampir. Stamped metal firearms were developed in multiple nations, but wehraboos only talk about muh sturmgewehr. Electronic tank turrets, tilt switch fuses, magnetic anti-tank grenades, shaped charges, etc etc are not unique to nazi Germany. Hell, any time a nation well exceeded the nazis, the wehraboos will cry and make excuses, such as why the Germans failed to develop the atomic bomb or resolve supply line issues. I don’t expect any of them to respond to me because they haven’t been “trained” to respond to such unfamiliar criticism. They repeat the response that they have seen others give, like good little cogs in a machine that was thoroughly crushed almost a century ago. It still makes me laugh that quite a few of them now simp for Russia, the country that raped and pillaged quite a bit of their precious fatherland.
+--- 57881380
+>>57881301
+fugg
+--- 57881385
+>>57881364
+And of course the USMC were using it since the start.
+--- 57881387
+>>57881272
+You can order one from Poland, we are one of the world leaders in manufacturing and distribution of Hitlerism post WWII. 
+https://partyzant.pl/mundury-umundurowanie-waffen-ss-allgemeine-ss
+https://nestof.pl/pl/menu/rekonstrukcja-niemiecka-1933/umundurowanie-ss/bluzy-i-kurtki-312.html
+--- 57881396
+>>57881377
+Wehraboos also don't know or don't want to be remembered about all the tech the germans stole from the US before the war.
+--- 57881398
+>>57881387
+Woah, thanks dude.
+--- 57881422
+>>57881396
+Let alone the ingenious developments that the Germans didn’t steal, like the human hair that we used for bomb sights
+--- 57881505
+>>57879913 (OP)
+We see a lot of photos from 44 with krauts in camouflage but rarely see brits and americans in proper camo. Why is that? It's not like the technology was not there for them, they had it on their tanks for heavens sake. And they were infinitely richer and better at researching shit like that than the krauts at that point in the war with actual wunderwaffen marvels like the B-29 or the nuclear weapons.
+--- 57881515
+>>57881301
+The Weimar republic also lost
+--- 57881642
+>>57881505
+
+You see a lot of those people because a) the germans had lots of press photographers and soldier-owned cameras, and b) there are a lot more people today interested in them than there are people interested in photos of Allies in camo. It's like asking why there are more pictures around of young hot girls than worn down grannies.
+--- 57881648
+>>57881505
+USMC used camo extensively in the pacific, while bongs seem to have generally been very conservative in equipping their regular infantry while stuff like paras used camo more frequently. I think it might just be a question of ease of production vs percieved benefits. They already had uniform production going and changing it for large scale production would have complicated things, and it would be to gain an advantage that was at the time still only theoretical to the brass, while risking lowering recognizability, as brits and their allies would have to educate their troops on what bong camo looked like to prevent them from being mistaken for germans who were better known for wearing camo.
+--- 57881723
+>>57881387
+based toaster-fuckers
+--- 57881788
+>>57879913 (OP)
+Misallocated resources. SS divisions were always incredibly well-equipped, incredibly poorly trained, and incredibly poorly led.
+
+It's like if you tired to form a combat unit out of guys posting their overpriced kit on Instagram. It's just gonna make for really good looting for the first mildly well-trained unit they come up against.
+--- 57881864
+>>57881301
+>watching your twinky great grandson get railed in your jacket by a man twice his size
+--- 57882036
+>>57881387
+Wow, those prices are pretty gud
+>>57881788
+>SS divisions were always incredibly well-equipped
+Only the few favorite ones e.g. LSSAH, Das Reich, Totenkopf; the rest were on par or below comparable Wehrmacht units. Also, the favorite Wehrmacht unit Großdeutschland was even better equipped than the SS divisions
+Source is in German from the book Jan Erik Schulte, Bernd Wegner, and Peter Lieb: Die Waffen-SS - Neue Forschungen
+--- 57882074
+>>57881301
+c-can you post more i want the see the uniform from a different angle
+--- 57882451
+>>57881301
+Looks very good on you.
+--- 57882956
+>>57881301
+Very historical cosplay, it perfectly reflects the malnutrition of 1945. Good job.
+--- 57882968
+>>57881308
+>>57882451
+>>57882074
+Ty. Unfortunately I don't have any lewd pics in the uniform.
+>>57881315
+Why?
+>>57881515
+Good I hate jews and faggots.
+--- 57882985
+They weren't. The Marines were.
+>reversible
+>beautiful
+--- 57883038
+>>57882985
+Cool, i wish photos like these were more common than the usual SS camouflaged guys with MG-42
+--- 57883039
+>>57879994
+Dennis is a rusky-mutt from the black sea basin, my nigger.
+--- 57883838
+>>57881648
+>>57881364
+>>57881313
+This is a myth they didn't discontinue it due to friendly fire. They discontinued it because it faded, didn't blend in with the European environment, and were expensive. Once the uniforms were used up they just issued solid green again. There's no evidence of the camouflage causing friendly fire.
+--- 57883849
+>>57882985
+Marine camo was kino
+--- 57883854
+Mostly because it was smaller private orders in the SS' own logistics, so there was a lot of experimentation.
+--- 57884492
+>>57881272
+>I want an SS uniform for meme costume parties
+I would never risk that in this day
+--- 57885136
+>>57879913 (OP)
+I can clearly see the men depicted in this picture, therefore that camouflage is useless.
+--- 57885260
+>>57879913 (OP)
+It's great, despite its spotty past
+--- 57885294
+>>57881505
+Bong paras used camo
+--- 57885297
+>>57881301
+I sincerely wish for you to kill yourself
+--- 57885321
+>>57881788
+>SS divisions were always incredibly well-equipped, incredibly poorly trained, and incredibly poorly led.
+...are you saying that the SS were the Kadyrovites of WW2?
+--- 57885340
+>>57885297
+Why?
+>>57885321
+He's just retarded.
+--- 57885346
+>>57879918
+Go back to /his/.
+--- 57885357
+They gave the Lieber brothers carte blanche to make anything they want. The vast majority of modern camoflauge patterns are directly or indirectly descended from their work
+
+t. knower
+--- 57885369
+>>57883838
+>There's no evidence of the camouflage causing friendly fire.
+Where's the evidence that it faded, didn't blend in and it being cost prohibited?
+--- 57885375
+>>57881505
+allies specifically didn't use camoflauge on the western front for IFF reasons. Germany heavily used infantry camo and it was decided more lives would be saved by preventing potential friendly fire than any concealment camo would provide
+
+same reason why Israel doesn't use camo today. 
+
+Pacific theatre was completely different tho, and the allies heavily used camo there
+--- 57885406
+>>57879913 (OP)
+
+Now. If we ignore that other nations were doing at the same time for discussion's sake? The SS could be said to be unique in their approach to field not just one but something like eight concurrent pattern variations. (At the same time that the Heer had two (three?) versions and the Luftwaffe about the same, not even including captured patterns. This was done in an attempt to make patterns for specific war zones and their vegetation, based on prewar studies of the same. Beside a dizzying variety it also meant for smaller production runs spread over more factories. But I want to point out that these garments almost without exception were overgarments and not defined as actual uniform, which meant distribution was on an as-needed if-available pattern. Only a small percentage of the German forces ever wore camo for that reason.
+--- 57885440
+>>57885406
+>The SS could be said to be unique in their approach to field not just one but something like eight concurrent pattern variations.
+
+notably, the SS did not actually differentiate between the patterns when it came to distribution. manufacturers had eight patterns, quartermasters had summer camouflage and winter camouflage and you got what you got.
+--- 57886345
+>>57881788
+>incredibly well-equipped
+true
+>incredibly poorly trained
+bullshit
+>incredibly poorly led.
+bullshit
+--- 57886369
+>>57886345
+None of them are true. The SS had a few premier divisions that were well equipped and many divisions that were comparable to wehmacht divisions, and a large amount of third rate divisions. The SS had 38(kinda) divisions by the end of the war. Most of which you've never heard of.
+--- 57886430
+>>57879913 (OP)
+I'm not a wehrafag but I do like the camo, it seems practical for its environment and it looks fashionable too. Flecktarn looks kinda crap by comparison. Are the only contemporary options for this kind of pattern slavshit?
+--- 57886439
+>>57886430
+You can get Crye cut uniforms in German camo made by Roman Kurmaz. Though he is a Slav. He's located in Ukraine.
+--- 57886450
+>>57886430
+Mine
+--- 57886457
+>>57886450
+I got the same dot 44 from Roman. Nice.
+--- 57886481
+>>57886450
+Nice, how much'd it cost?
+--- 57886530
+>>57886481
+I think I got it in 2018 for 150 for pants and 90 for combat shirt. IDK how it works now with the whole Ukraine invasion situation since he lives there and if you want to gamble with someone making an order that will take a pretty long time. You can shoot him a message on instagram @romankurmaz
+--- 57887044
+>>57883038
+Seems pretty common to me, Anon. You just get a lot of preteens obsessed with SS shit (weebs, furries, school shooters) that post more often than older folks (Pacific Campaign connoisseurs)
+--- 57887238
+>>57885321
+Yes.
+--- 57887356
+>>57887044
+Wow you retards are autistic. People like the SS because they're both different and just plain looked better. They make what few camouflage patterns the Allies fielded look like ass.
+--- 57887382
+>>57886430
+--- 57887391
+>>57886369
+All of the core SS and even the European volunteer divisions kicked ass, and had been around for a long time. LSSAH, Das Reich, Totenkopf, Wiking, Nordland, Charlemagne, etc. all 100% lived up to the "elite" stereotype.
+
+The ones that sucked were the hastily raised and/or eastern volunteer divisions scrounged together in the last couple years of the war, as everything was going to shit.
+--- 57887418
+>>57887356
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u28C3dF3Kc [Embed]
+Sure sure buddy. They like them because they're different. That's the reason.
+Have some fucking balls and admit the reason why you like them, don't be an obfuscating pussy. Just admit it.
+--- 57887471
+>>57886450
+But anon, you don’t even have the best part of the uniform.
+
+Also oak > pea dot
+--- 57887494
+>>57887391
+high school teacher was a WW2 vet. landed in Normandy and fought all the way to the Elbe.
+
+Said they preferred fighting the SS because they knew they'd never surrender, so they'd just call in rocket artillery and finish them off with flamethrowers. Said they died like pigs and he had no regrets about his service after liberating a concentration camp
+
+miss ya Capt. Simpson. really need more men like him these days
+--- 57887538
+>>57885357
+>Lizard camo descends from British Denison
+>Brushstroke descends from Denison
+>Tigerstripe from Lizard
+>DPM from Denison
+>Digital patterns first were Dual-tex in the 70s.
+>Duck hunter originates from American duck-hunting camo
+You can claim Flecktarn obviously, and god help you if you ty and go "oh they were tiny flecks therefore it's what digital camo comes from", and raindrop pattern. But unless you really fucking stretch logic and suggest Leaf camo somehow descends from Leibermuster and thus ERDL/woodland has its origins there, Denison is far and beyond the champion as the dominant camo patterns worldwide until recently are either DPM, Lizard, Woodland, Desert-based-on-Woodland or digital. Changing now with Multicam and all that. 
+
+We can credit the Germans for things that they did originate (GPMG for one), but god damn you chucklefucks are tiresome for how you think everything in existence originated from das reich. Fuckin hotep tier wigger shit.
+--- 57887547
+>>57887418
+I'm not the one who said "Only Le preteens and furries think anything SS is cool! Only le badass old people think american shit is cool! Based pacific shithole enjoyers!"
+
+You're just another retard on here trying to bait people by being contrarian. The SS looked amazing and had the best camouflage patterns of anyone form WWII. Denying this fact isn't impressing anyone except other retarded contrarians.
+--- 57887583
+>>57879913 (OP)
+It wasn't
+--- 57887610
+>>57887494
+Virtually zero WW2 vets regretted fighting the deuchistanis they were like Isis but European
+>Suicide planes
+--- 57887615
+>>57887494
+>high school teacher was a WW2 vet. landed in Normandy
+Case in point, he fought against a bunch of literal children from divisions like the 9th and 12th SS Panzer lol, when he wasn't fighting the washed up foreign conscript units that were assigned to the Atlantic Wall.
+
+Go back thanks. We're eternally grateful here that there aren't 6 gorillion more that we'd have to be dealing today.
+--- 57887648
+>>57887538
+I've read US reports on German camo dated from right after the war in 1945. They don't explicitly say it, but ERDL is clearly descended from Leibermuster, which by extension means M81, multicam, all the derivatives, including all the CADPAT variants (and copycats like MM14, Chinese digital, EMR) are descended from Leibermuster
+
+Again, we are talking about the most commonly used patterns. not going to argue about tigerstripe or lizard
+--- 57887659
+>>57887648
+also, I'm not a wehraboo, I'm just a camo autistic. I see a likewise spirit in the camofleur Leiber brothers, to whom the art of camoflauge owes a great deal
+--- 57887661
+>>57887583
+Explain to me why we don't use zigzag on people and land vehicles
+--- 57887691
+>>57887661
+The world's not ready it's too vogue
+--- 57887697
+>>57887661
+dazzle camo doesn't make sense nowadays with the widespread proliferation of battlefield sensors.
+
+The original use case of dazzle was to confuse gunners back when weapons were manually aimed by sight. ATGMs aren't fooled by them so it's just a waste of time.
+
+Swedish M90 is literally just dazzle camo for infantry. I don't know why it never caught on with other militaries. It's a shame since it's such an effective pattern
+--- 57887707
+>>57887661
+Use one brain cell anon, and you may figure out you might want to use actual camouflage on a vehicle on the ground, and why you might not even bother trying to camouflage a 10,000 ton metal box on the open ocean.
+--- 57887728
+>>57887697
+the French have recently been experimenting with it again
+--- 57887772
+>>57887697
+>Swedish M90 is literally just dazzle camo for infantry.
+It literally is not though. It's an attempt at an urban camouflage, and a decent one too.
+Dazzle-pattern "camouflage" isn't even trying to camouflage ships.
+
+Dazzle just attempts to disrupt the silhouette of the vessel, and make it difficult for enemy planes and vessels to ID it, determine what systems are where, and what the vessel's heading is, ideally making them miss the ship with their gunnery, torpedoes, bombs, etc.
+Dazzle is just to try and confuse people since you can't hide colossal tin cans on the open ocean. M90 is actual camouflage.
+--- 57887809
+>>57887772
+what do you think disruptive camo is for?dumbass
+--- 57887824
+>>57887772
+>The idea of dazzle is just to confuse you 
+Heh that's the definition of camouflage dummy
+--- 57887827
+>>57886430
+I would like to get splinter camo in a modern cut
+--- 57887855
+>greatest battleship ever made
+>greatest tank designs of the period 
+>greatest small arms designs of the period 
+>invented jets
+>invented icbms
+>invented guided rockets
+>invented night vision
+Its crazy and makes sense they were only defeated by spamming amerigolems and vatnigs
+--- 57887899
+I wouldn't say no to a nice Waffen SS camouflage jacket for fashion-not sure if anyone would recognise it as being an SS jacket though
+--- 57887904
+>>57887809
+>>57887824
+>Hurr durr its stil camuhflage even if it dusnt camuhflage
+
+cam·ou·flage
+noun
+the disguising of military personnel, equipment, and installations by painting or covering them to make them blend in with their surroundings.
+--- 57887919
+>>57887899
+No one notices my SS Oak-B pattern reversible parka whenever I take it hunting. It's an awesome camo too, and the pure-white snow reversible side is sex.
+--- 57887925
+>>57886345
+I think its fairly obvious they had political preferment and motivation on their side, but training and leadership were generally poor.
+
+There is a reason that throughout the war even in Germany the Wehrmacht was considered far more prestigious and indeed several senior SS men had Wehrmacht uniforms they liked to LARP around in. Not how edgy teens today would like to remember things but there we are.
+--- 57887950
+>>57887855
+I start to blame britcucks more. Fucking faggots could not take it that germany is the better rule of europe but karmas a bitch and they get everything back now.
+--- 57887999
+>>57887648
+If you're not bullshitting about the actual authoritative reports then yeah you can claim ERDL in that case and you'd be right about the modern supremacy of ERDL derived stuff. Lizard (and DPM) had been the big dicks around the world until probably the 90s when you really saw woodland taking over. Maybe the 80s.
+
+>>57887925
+People just always glomp onto praetorian pageantry. I mean christ they think the Praetorians were some elite super hardcore formation of Rome when they were some of the jobbiest jobs that ever jobbed.
+--- 57888001
+>>57887855
+I mean, Germany and two allies took on literally every other world power power at once in the largest global conflicts and almost fucking won, not once either, but twice.
+
+
+That says all it needs to. Anyone saying they weren't badasses is just redditoid cope.
+--- 57888020
+>>57887904
+>Disruptive coloration (also known as disruptive camouflage or disruptive patterning) is a form of camouflage that works by breaking up the outlines of an animal, soldier or military vehicle with a strongly contrasting pattern
+
+>It appears paradoxical as a way of not being seen, since disruption of outlines depends on high contrast, so the patches of colour are themselves conspicuous.
+
+>Moving objects with disruptive camouflage patterns remain harder to identify than uncamouflaged objects, especially if other similar objects are nearby, even though they are detected, so motion does not completely 'break' camouflage.
+
+>Most forms of camouflage are made ineffective by movement: a deer or grasshopper may be highly cryptic when motionless, but instantly seen when it moves. But one method, motion dazzle, requires rapidly moving bold patterns of contrasting stripes.[122] Motion dazzle may degrade predators' ability to estimate the prey's speed and direction accurately, giving the prey an improved chance of escape.[123] Motion dazzle distorts speed perception and is most effective at high speeds; stripes can also distort perception of size (and so, perceived range to the target).
+
+TLDR military camo doesn't use the same techniques and principles as hunting camo. The point isn't to perfectly blend in, it's to disrupt visual recognition
+--- 57888031
+>>57887999
+I misspoke earlier. I had meant that the majority of most commonly used patterns were descended from them, not that most patterns were, which is a big difference
+--- 57888045
+>>57888001
+They were cringe
+--- 57888056
+>>57888045
+Go back tourist
+--- 57888072
+>>57888001
+Germany declares war on....THE WORLD once again
+--- 57888088
+>>57888056
+They were cringe LARPers
+--- 57888096
+>>57888072
+the only countries Germany declared war on were the US and Soviet Union tho
+--- 57888136
+>>57888096
+Big mistake
+--- 57888137
+>>57888088
+Why are you still here? r/FuckTheAltRight beckons.
+--- 57888145
+>>57888136
+No one said anything mistakes. You just said something that was retarded and wrong.
+--- 57888169
+>>57888137
+>Lost their entire country forever in 6 years 
+Woah enjoy being a us airbase I guess
+--- 57888196
+For perspective the Napoleonic wars lasted 23 years WW2 wasn't a big deal but it did result in Germany being a house nigger for eternity.
+--- 57888237
+>>57888196
+>WW2 wasn't a big deal
+--- 57888251
+>>57888169
+Careful, that'll get you banned for hate speech over where you normally lurk.
+--- 57888286
+>>57888237
+The neutron was discovered in 1932 so WW2 was basically just a countdown to Germany being nuked.
+--- 57888344
+>>57879913 (OP)
+>>57887855
+>>57888001
+--- 57888355
+>>57888196
+>rules europe
+>house nigger 
+Pick one.
+--- 57888394
+>>57888344
+smells like BITCH in here
+--- 57888469
+>>57888355
+Occupied continuously congested territory for a short amount of time*
+--- 57888483
+>>57888344
+The bottom was the top and the top was the bottom
+But somehow this was everybody else's fault
+--- 57888516
+>>57888394
+>In 5 years you will never recognize Germany again 
+Kek
+--- 57888550
+>>57888394
+He said that in 1933. By 1938 Germany had been transformed from a Communist infested shithole in political chaos, into a literal paradise and one of the most powerful nations in the world. 
+You cannot even outwit him 80 years after he died, kek.
+--- 57888598
+>>57888550
+Then fast forward to 1945 and Germany has child soldiers suicide planes and hitlers IK OOK DOD
+--- 57888633
+He's ik ook dod dude 
+
+I mean he's ik ook freaking dod dude
+--- 57888675
+>>57888598
+I'm not sure what that has to do with 1938. You tried to use some witty out of context quote you didn't even understand, and completely embarrassed yourself lol.
+Keep coping I guess.
+--- 57888715
+>>57888675
+Okay I guess.. I guess I'll just keep coping then I guess
+--- 57888742
+>>57879918
+>>57879928
+>the camo is bad because it didnt win the war by itself
+>everything else is bad too, btw
+Get out of this fucking board
+--- 57888784
+>>57888355
+I'm picking house nigger
+--- 57888794
+>>57888715
+>I guess I'll just keep coping then I guess
+We can tell by the way you keep trying to bring up shit unrelated to what we were talking about lol.
+--- 57888796
+>>57879918
+Retard historylet militarylet
+--- 57888805
+>>57888001
+This
+Ibn4 seething americucks and vatnigs
+--- 57888814
+>>57888742
+This board has become Reddit 2.0, and has been terminally infected by nogun lefties unfortunately.
+--- 57888843
+>>57888794
+>Unrelated 
+You are talking about a period of about 18 months it's so irrelevant it's not even worth mentioning, you're clearly just dumb
+--- 57888915
+>>57888843
+>Try and use a Hitler quote as a "gotcha"
+>Point out quote literally only pertains to the years 1933-38
+>NOOOoooOOO!!! Wut about muh 1945! Child soldiers!! Hecking owned!!!
+
+Cope & Seethe™ harder kid.
+--- 57888936
+>>57887824
+>>57887809
+>>57887772
+>>57887728
+>>57887697
+Dazzle camo works against a manual optical rangefinder where the operator overlays two telescope images. The dazzle looks confusing when the two images are superimposed and it isn't obvious how to line it up. Hence the double bow, false bow waves and other patterns that give false overlaps.
+--- 57888952
+>>57888915
+>Germany rules Europe 
+France
+>Germany ruled Europe in WW2 
+No they didn't
+>Germany could have beaten everybody in WW2 
+No they couldn't 
+You are embarrassing yourself...
+--- 57888965
+>>57888550
+just take the L and move on. this is genuinely embarrassing
+--- 57888995
+I mean the Japanese suicide bombing a non allied harbor really did cement the entire national socialist LARPers as totally insane faggots that needed to die
+--- 57889001
+>>57888936
+>manual optical rangefinder where the operator overlays two telescope images
+We call this a coincidence rangefinder, anon. 
+And not really. If this was actually effective, we would've seen a lot of navies using it a lot more, since that's how almost all artillery, naval or no, was ranged from around the year 1900 until the advent of radar fire control.
+--- 57889016
+>>57888952
+>List of things I never said.
+You are now having to resort to inventing an alternate reality so you can "embarrass" me. Sad.
+--- 57889027
+>>57889016
+All of those things have been said ITT but please embarrass yourself even more
+--- 57889045
+>>57889027
+>All of those things have been said ITT
+Not by me. Like I said: You are now having to resort to inventing an alternate reality so you can "embarrass" me. Sad.
+--- 57889068
+>>57889045
+Fuck you and fuck Hitler how about them apples
+--- 57889130
+>>57879918
+>>57879928
+>>57881191
+>>57881364
+>>57881385
+>>57881788
+>>57887044
+>>57887418
+>>57888045
+>>57888394
+>>57888598
+>>57888965
+>>57888715
+>>57888843
+>>57888952
+>>57889027
+>>57889068
+All this for pointing that the Waffen-SS had good camo. Please go back.
+--- 57889204
+>>57889130
+I'm sure all the civilians they massacred in Italy and Belgiume loved it
+--- 57889244
+>>57879913 (OP)
+They removed poor performers in most departments
+--- 57889448
+>>57889204
+And then you get homunculi like these that prattle on endlessly about "muh war crimes".
+--- 57889611
+>>57885321
+>...are you saying that the SS were the Kadyrovites of WW2?
+There were even chechen SS!
+--- 57889648
+>>57889448
+They made people group together in fields and shot them with machine guns
+--- 57889654
+>>57888936
+Not necessarily "works". It made the ships speed and heading slightly more annoying to gauge but like >>57889001
+said, it didn't really help much so why bother painting an entire ship in dazzle just to get sighted in all the same? The dazzle camo came and went fast but the coincidence rangefinder stuck around into the 70's and 80's.
+--- 57889681
+>>57889654
+Actually I looked it up and I was wrong, the US Navy was using coincidence rangefinders to shell Iraqis from the Iowa in '91.
+--- 57889776
+Realistically the SS were pussies that murdered civilians and lost most most of the time when they encountered real men on the battlefield.
+--- 57889826
+>>57887547
+Two different posters. Also, you are a preteen.
+--- 57889846
+>>57889776
+Which explains why Heer officers were constantly requesting the redeployment of these SS units to their sectors.
+
+>>57889826
+Go back tourist.
+--- 57889854
+>>57889130
+I've been here longer than you. You go back. I was rustling jimmies while you were playing with one of those iPad in a child proof case.
+--- 57889878
+>>57889846
+Return to 2009 /k/. God I wish. Kek
+--- 57889903
+>>57889846
+To clear the village they were in of Innocent civilians most likely
+--- 57889910
+>>57888001
+>they almost won
+(They didn't)
+--- 57889925
+The war in the Ukrainian has made this place Reddit 2.0 god forbid you talk about any military equipment on a weapons board
+--- 57889942
+>>57889925
+Just weird how you admire people that shot old women
+--- 57889969
+>>57889204
+>>57889648
+based
+--- 57889973
+>>57889942
+We are talking about camo you faggot. I can like my toakarev handgun and disagree the commissars that killed people with them.
+--- 57889981
+>>57889942
+he's not talking about the spanish commies who lost the only war they ever fought despite receiving infinite foreign support... so i'm not sure what you mean
+--- 57889982
+>>57889925
+I'm sorry someone disagreed with your opinion on a camo pattern. Maybe have a little cry into a pillow.
+--- 57889998
+>>57889982
+But there has been 0 discussion on camo just name calling and whining
+--- 57890047
+>>57889998
+>waaa people name call on 4channel!
+There as been plenty of discussion, you're just a little pussy that can't take even a small amount of banter, and can't hang with the boys. Have a little cry, and grab me a beer on the way back.
+--- 57890113
+>>57889982
+>>57890047
+How to be an insufferable faggot 101.
+--- 57890139
+>>57882985
+>>57881385
+Where can I buy duck camo trousers?
+--- 57890184
+>>57888020
+It's pure soul
+--- 57890349
+>>57890139
+Bronson mfg has good ones.
+--- 57891548
+>>57887648
+>>57887659
+How would that make any of the patterns other than ERDL and M81 related to leibermuster?
+--- 57891591
+>>57891548
+NTA but camo kinda works like a family tree.
+--- 57891604
+>>57891591
+I know. But multicam isn't related. Cadpat and it's derivatives aren't either. MM14 and EMR are even less related.

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+-----
+--- 57879932
+I'm pretty sure the Russians at Bakhmut and Vuhledar could have used 10,000 cruise missiles but I guess making sure some anons in Kiev couldn't play Tarkov for 12 hours was more important.
+--- 57879950
+That was merely a taste of what's to come! As we speak, quantum High-Hypersonic phase shift missiles will rain down on the banderite illegal regime. With our eyebrows raised, you will know. The bear does not take kindly to the clucking of chickens....
+--- 57879952
+>*looks into an empty cruise missile storage and squeals nervously*
+--- 57879953
+Yeah I don't get it. Sure the missiles can't hit the broad side of a barn, but why not use them to carpet bomb enemy strongholds? Instead they were spent on not hitting kindergardens and hospitals...
+--- 57880029
+>>57879953
+Assuming they wanted to hit civilian structures is retarded. They willingly accepted it, but there's a lot of factors in play;
+- shitty technology
+- wrong intel
+- ukrainians actually hiding in civilian infrastructure
+- counter intelligence like placing gps reference devices at wrong places
+- shot down rockets crashing down somewhere
+You can't simultaneously assume that russia is 100% retarded/corrupt/incompetent while also managing to precisely hit every fucking kindergarden they for some reason wanted to bomb.
+--- 57880137
+>>57880029
+They missed most of the kindergartens they wanted to bomb
+--- 57880148
+>>57880029
+>You can't simultaneously assume that russia is 100% retarded/corrupt/incompetent
+--- 57880176
+>>57879952
+STOP using pigs to depict Russians. Pigs are cool dudes and don't deserve to be dragged into your dumb human war shit. They're friendly, loyal and pretty much mind their own business. There's literally no better friend to man than the humble porker. If you ;eave them alone all we'll do is snuffle about for truffles or something and bring them to you. They're good guys.
+--- 57880187
+>>57880029
+You need to broaden your conception of 'they wanted'. You have the more western style of value driven meritocracy where, at least in principle, people driven towards a common goal prove their place in the hierarchy by the value they provide in pursuing that goal.
+
+Youre dealing with russia, stuck in eastern commie bloc mode model of society. The common goal is whatever the proverbial head monke wants, and the value you add to society is only counted insofar as the chimp above you in the hierarchy is able to use the outcome to protect himself from the wrath of the monke above him. It even works some of the time, but the risk of failure present in any endevour leaves the poor underlings fearing for their lives. Better to just fake it and live the great collective lie, as you know that the men above and below you can also saved themselves using the lie and will only het themselves ousted by speaking up and taking responsibility for something.
+
+They weren't 'wanting' to hit civilian infrastructure, theyd rather hit Ukie troops of course. That was just the easiest and best target to ensure enough of a practical result to spare the arses of the men involved from the retribution from higher up the chain.
+--- 57880194
+>>57880148
+>...while also assuming they manage to do do what they planned to do
+--- 57880239
+>>57880176
+>t. pigger
+--- 57880244
+>>57880187
+I could see that happening, but shouldn't the house of cards eventually collapse? Particularly putin in combination with his secret service should have a reasonably qualified and decoupled means to double check military feedback.
+
+It's not clear to me how something like this could play out undetected.
+--- 57880346
+>>57879932 (OP)
+Save for the missile spam, this fatass was actually a pretty decent general, the best Russia had so far during this war. His plan was to hunker down, recuperate strength and start preparing the defenses for a Ukrainian counter-offensive, and he also conducted the Kherson retreat very well. His reign was short-lived because Putin can't into war and he thought that Gerasimov's retarded offensives were the way to go because attacking is the only thing you can do in war, anything else is for pussies
+--- 57880373
+>>57880176
+>>57880239
+
+lazerpig????
+
+>dat captcha
+--- 57880391
+>>57880244
+Very few people in Russia have a realistic incentive to expose the sham. Basically zero who hold actual power. It's easier to just pretend you don't notice it, even if you do (which most don't because they aren't looking)
+--- 57880422
+>>57880029
+>ukrainians actually hiding in civilian infrastructure
+
+If a nigger raids my house, grabs my washing machine and gets shot, does that mean I am hiding in civilian i frastructure?
+--- 57880438
+How much do those missiles cost per unit?
+--- 57880456
+>>57880422
+when a nigger raids your house because there's another nigger with an ak in there and they start shooting all your stuff trying to kill the eachother, the proper reaction should be to kneel and blow the second nigger, yes, because he's your homie, cracker.
+imagine what would happen if your homie nigger just stayed inna woods. the first nigger would have to go inna woods too and would completely miss your house!
+--- 57880466
+>>57880346
+>because attacking is the only thing you can do in war
+Putin had ordered the capture of Donbass for certain points in time. That's the minimum he wanted. If he HAD all of Donbass in his control, Putin would have 100% been happy to have it turn defensive. But since he doesn't, he has to try and take it.
+--- 57880488
+>>57879932 (OP)
+hey I remember General Diabetes. Has he fallen out of a window yet? I bet that'll leave a crater!
+--- 57880499
+Remember when they were saying europe was gonna freeze this winter? lmfao
+--- 57880508
+so this is the power of krokodil and bathtub vodka...
+--- 57880510
+>>57880499
+And it turned out to be an exceptionality cold winter for Russia
+--- 57880550
+>>57880029
+How do you explain this then? What reason did they have for shooting at this? And then go and surround it with scaffolding and tarp so that the world can't see their retardation.
+--- 57880562
+>>57880499
+Don't worry, winter starts in about 6 months, anon.
+--- 57880570
+>>57880499
+I can't imagine the Muscovite psyche when God is literally on your enemy's side.
+--- 57880606
+>>57880570
+I swear near the start of this war there was some talk about how some woman (a saint or something) cursed Russia when she died.
+--- 57880613
+>>57880606
+I'm sure there are plenty of people that have cursed them after the shit they pulled as the USSR.
+--- 57880630
+>>57880613
+>USSR
+
+If there is a God he sure as fuck hates these fuckers
+--- 57880637
+>>57880630
+Yeah and the worst part is dumbass Russians think they are the good guys of WW2. It's their identity and national fairytale, that's why they have those dumbass parades every year except this one since they ran out of tanks lmfao
+--- 57880675
+>>57880637
+>every year except this one
+They have parades in main cities. They're not in some. Moscow is still going to do a parade.
+--- 57880680
+>>57880675
+Gotta keep the farce going then I guess. Hopefully some Ukie blows some shit up there.
+--- 57880743
+>>57879932 (OP)
+>Ukraine is exporting electricity again
+I doubt it and it's really easy to check than on EU gridmap website. I'm not gonna waste my time with it because every time this was posted Ukraine was gigantic net importer. Why would they even bother generating electricity when they can just get it for free from EU?
+--- 57880784
+>>57880176
+They're more akin to a wild boar.
+
+They are always hungry for land because the land they have has been destroyed by their own hand.
+They come and take more land destroying it in their wake, which leads them to want more land.
+
+The only incongruency with this is their birth rates are low, and after losing all these young men their country will never recover. 
+I thought the US would collapse before Russia did again, but I think Russia will beat them in that regard.
+--- 57880793
+>>57880675
+>Moscow is still going to do a parade.
+I can't wait
+--- 57880794
+>>57880784
+>They're more akin to a wild boar.
+
+One generation out of civilization and they turn back into animals?
+--- 57880804
+>>57880743
+>every time this was posted Ukraine was gigantic net importer
+Do post the proofs
+>why bother
+because EU doesn't have enough to supply both civilians and industry+we have a fuckton of nuclear power plants that russia will not strike no matter what unless they are already determined to use nukes
+--- 57880806
+>>57880784
+>I thought the US would collapse before Russia did again
+ironically enough, thats what Russian propagandists also wanted you to think
+--- 57880828
+>>57880804
+>Do post the proofs
+Check it yourself, I don't feel like doing work for free.
+https://transparency.entsoe.eu/
+--- 57880833
+>>57879932 (OP)
+Oh fuck, now i remember general winter, ooooohhhh!
+--- 57880840
+At the rate Russia is advancing, there won't BE a Russian military soon enough, lol.
+--- 57880859
+>>57880804
+https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/87735/
+>inb4 source: Moscow
+https://gmk.center/en/news/ukraine-can-increase-electricity-imports-from-europe-without-daily-restrictions/
+https://www.entsoe.eu/news/2023/02/16/further-increase-in-the-trade-capacity-with-the-ukraine-moldova-power-system/
+--- 57880862
+>>57880029
+
+Their TV talking heads openly admitted that goal of campaign was to inflict as much suffering on civilians to distort the government and cause the refugee crysis in EU to go even deeper. They are also openly and literally upset that it didnt work out. 
+
+"I dont want to upset you, friends but Kiev has electricity and water right now, street lights are back on" (c) Skabeeva.
+--- 57880891
+>>57880550
+>if you write kids infront of a building you can’t hit it during a war because think of the hecking children
+Never in history have people lied
+--- 57880893
+>>57880862
+>penly admitted that goal of campaign was to inflict as much suffering on civilians
+It worked in Serbia.
+In Ukraine it's different since US will just print money for wages and pensions and send to Zelensky and they can leech electricity and goods from EU, idk for how long tho.
+--- 57880911
+>>57880893
+Decades, easily
+--- 57880923
+>>57880911
+>Decades, easily
+It's one wrong election results in US away...
+--- 57880932
+>>57880891
+>in the middle of a big city lets just bomb it anyway without even checking they cld be lying who even knows lmao
+--- 57880937
+>>57880893
+>>penly admitted that goal of campaign was to inflict as much suffering on civilians
+>It worked in Serbia.
+That bullshit lie again, shill?
+They didn't destroyed the power plants in Serbia, they just short circuited the power lines by dropping conductive wires onto them. Why do vatniks always lie?
+
+What was the plan? Thought you were shilling and you slip an old lie in hoping no one would notice or tell?
+--- 57880941
+>>57880923
+> The MIC shills will cut military spending if they win. Because
+--- 57880949
+>>57880937
+What's the difference? Semantics? US bombed Iraqi power grid, bombed Serbian grid. The only reason it didn't bomb Afghanistani is that parts of the country that had electricity were the ones under US control while countryside was under Taliban.
+--- 57880961
+>>57880828
+Doesn't work for me. 'Unknown exception'.
+--- 57880966
+>>57880176
+Based
+--- 57880976
+>>57880859
+>February
+>Today is April 17th
+--- 57880986
+>>57880949
+Oh no, our vatnik serb friend attempts another pathetic "it's all the same if you actually don't look at it" apporach, it's not very effective.
+
+There is a big difference if you try to destroy power plants with cruise missiles and if you drop conductive wires onto the power lines to short them. One can have negative effects for years and the other can be removed in a few days. 
+
+Go on, continue. Show everyone what a little disingenuous little shill you are.
+--- 57880999
+>>57880986
+There is none, because the intention was the same. I could understand your sentiment that maybe US was a little better than average (was of the same opinion) before Snowden leaks, but not in 20+23.
+--- 57881013
+>>57880244
+The FSB does it too. They were supposed to have laid the pro Russian groundwork in Ukraine for the invasion, but like all the people pretending to maintain Russian hardware, they never expected that it would actually be used, so they just pretended to do their job and succeed at it. That's why Russia tried the blyatskrieg SMO, because they really did think that 2-4 weeks was a realistic estimate. Nobody has been interested in telling Putin about the absolute state of basically everything before the war started, and now that it ongoing, there's no way back, because the consequenced just get more and more severe. At the end of it all sits Putin, who whether fully understanding how bad things are going or not, has to pretend that it's cool to the Russian people, in the same way everyone below him have pretended.
+--- 57881021
+>>57880976
+What changed, one statement by energy minister? If that's all you have,
+>may I see it?
+I don't even doubt that it's theoretically possible, as Ukraine's internal consumption has a seasonal variation because a significant percentage of household heating is electric.
+But even that wouldn't mean that all the infrastructure was restored.
+--- 57881022
+The Manlet of Muscovy's new elite forces en route to Bakhmut
+
+Two more weeks just you wait, the secret Russian army is here
+--- 57881023
+>>57880923
+Germany alone can foot the bill. Watch germany pay for polands shopping that turns into donations for ukraine.
+>>57880932
+>yes, I know we’re at war but what if somebody gets hurt?
+Your parents really coddled you too much
+--- 57881036
+>>57881021
+Holes in the electric grid could possibly also be an explanation for export. If for instance one part of the grid simply can't reach the other and thus produces an excess, they could just export that.
+--- 57881045
+>>57880176
+pink hands typed this post
+--- 57881047
+>>57880986
+>drop conductive wires
+Are you for real kid?
+--- 57881055
+>>57880999
+>buzzwords help me! you got to save me
+There is a difference between interrupting the power supply by attempting to bomb the power plants directly and destroy them for years to come and to short circuit power lines with special bombs that drop conductive wires, that can be removed later.
+
+This is the best vatniks can come up with? Lying, playing dumb to the most obvious differences and trying to drag in other side topics with cheap buzzwords? Fucking pathetic.
+
+Please degrade yourself even further by continuing this way, vatnik shill.
+--- 57881068
+>>57881047
+>uhm here is picture
+>no explanation or anything
+>just take picture and i win
+>okay?
+no, you doublenigger
+--- 57881077
+>>57881068
+buzz off
+--- 57881082
+>>57881047
+Are you?
+>Russian politicians, lawmakers, and other commentators on Russian state media widely applauded the prospect of Ukrainian civilians being left without heat and water in winter. One member of parliament stated that ordinary people should “rot and freeze”, another said the strikes were necessary to destroy the Ukrainian state’s capacity to survive.
+Source: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/12/06/ukraine-russian-attacks-energy-grid-threaten-civilians
+--- 57881097
+>>57881077
+sorry, did i offend you by telling everyone what kind of bullshit you are trying? no paycheck for you today
+--- 57881101
+>>57881055
+>cum gurgling noises
+Are you okay, brother? Read these someday. Of course you won't, because your fake outrage ends with your perceived victory in an internet argument.
+https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/220-bombing-to-bring-peace
+https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt6wp7nf
+--- 57881106
+>>57880923
+You have no idea how much this is helping the US military. All that "Aid" is just throwing old gear to the Ukrainians and the money goes to the military for a New replacement.
+
+It kills the wests enemies with no harm to the US costing them pretty much nothing.
+
+>70bil in aid vs GDP of 23.2Trill is 0.00301% 
+
+That is what has Russia grinding away what was left of it army and respect as a nation. A fucking Rounding Error!
+--- 57881114
+>>57881082
+Well that's the point, to make general population suffer and start "regime change".
+It worked in Serbia quite nicely, Ukraine is different story because of billions pumped into it every month.
+If left alone without external help like Serbia Kiev govt would collapse in a month.
+pic related, final act of HATO bombing of Serbia. Ruskies hope for the same thing.
+--- 57881126
+>>57881023
+>vatnik can't grasp the concept of non-combatants
+man you'd fit right in along with the other retarded mobiks
+--- 57881127
+nato purpusfolly bombed serbia too, how is this different
+--- 57881133
+>>57881106
+>how much this is helping
+It's not, there's pretty nasty inflation in US which happens because Biden is printing and spending more than he is earning, big chunk of that sending to Ukraine as strategic "investment".
+Did you know pensions and wages of state employees in Ukraine are entirely paid by US tax payers. Kinda crazy when you think about it.
+--- 57881135
+>>57880194
+they failed at everything they've tried to do so far, fucking retarded nigger
+--- 57881142
+>>57881133
+Inflation is a global problem
+--- 57881146
+Remember the morning coffee nonsense? That was cringe.
+--- 57881148
+>>57880891
+>UKRAINIANS LIED, PEOPLE DIDN"T TAKE SHELTER IN IT, IT WAS AMMO DEPO
+>we've captured it? Quick, destroy what remains of the building
+pro-Russians should be tried in court of law
+--- 57881154
+>>57881114
+No, it's not the same. Russia is literally getting called out for wasting resources on civilian targets to terrorize the population in Ukraine, while the other example was part of a tightly coordinated military operation with interlocking tactical strikes that actually were working together.
+
+You are on /k/ here, not some random board, if you can't tell the difference, you are doing this either to hide something or stupid.
+--- 57881158
+>>57881021
+>What changed
+Nuclear power plants. Usually 0-2 reactors were used because they are expensive, and basically not needed, Ukraine can supply 1.5 Ukraines just on fossil generation. Oh, and russians don't dare to strike them
+Significant percentage is electric, but it's negligible compared to centralised. However, since electricity was/is mostly generated on TЭЦ, heating+electricity plants, when heating is on, a lot of energy goes to hearing, and since boilers aren't infinitely powerful, much less steam is being generated to spin the turbines
+--- 57881184
+>>57881101
+>throws chaffs in form of links
+>cant argue for shit
+
+And why all this? Because vatniks are niggers and cant tell the difference between someone attacking the power grid to terrorizing the population with little to no military use, even openly admitting they want to terrorize the population, and an actual military operation where taking out a power grid actually serves a direct military goal and it's part of military actions actually going on in this area.
+--- 57881188
+>>57881154
+>tightly coordinated military operation with interlocking tactical strikes
+like man, how can you write something like that down and not cringe, unless it's some kind of a weird bait.
+pic unrelated.
+--- 57881206
+>>57881188
+you have to stop coping, Peskov already admitted that strikes are intended to make Ukrainian civilians suffer
+--- 57881218
+>>57881206
+>coping
+I'm from Croatia, I don't care.
+>Peskov 
+Never heard of him/it.
+--- 57881221
+>>57881188
+Unrelated my ass. russia totally expected 2 simultaneous outcomes
+1) Ukrainians to rebel against the government bc no electricity and heating
+2) Cripple AFU(russians forgot that armies don't run on civilian power plants, they run on diesel)
+--- 57881238
+>>57881188
+>like man, how can you write something like that down and not cringe, unless it's some kind of a weird bait.
+ad hominem
+>pic unrelated.
+The picture is actually very related to the thread and shows how different the attacks are from both sides are. Russia wants to destroy the Ukraine's infrastructure they can't capture anymore and want to terrorize the population for no or low military gain and are open about it.
+--- 57881263
+>>57881238
+>Russia wants to destroy the Ukraine's infrastructure
+Just a little correction, they want to destroy Kiev govt infrastructure, they don't have anything against Ukraine itself. Ukraine is like their little brother that has drug addiction problem at the moment.
+--- 57881273
+>>57880794
+Bold of you to assume Russia ever achieved civilisation.
+--- 57881282
+>>57881218
+>Never heard of him/it.
+You need to leave.
+--- 57881287
+>>57881263
+Ah I guess that explains the beheadings, I do that to my brother all the time.
+--- 57881289
+>>57881263
+Is this the reason why they do it all over Ukraine, my little trolling friend?
+--- 57881298
+>>57881218
+>>Peskov 
+>Never heard of him/it.
+Explains so much. Also how fucking new are you?
+--- 57881299
+>>57881287
+>beheadings
+Those where not Ukrainians, that's why they got beheaded in the first place - not that I support such practices just want to clarify.
+--- 57881310
+>>57881289
+Last I checked Kiev govt is actually not the govt of whole Ukraine, like especially the part that didn't want to live with them anymore.
+--- 57881317
+>>57881299
+Cope.
+--- 57881321
+>>57881287
+And the uniformally organized torture chambers by the russians Ukraine found in the recaptured territories, or the how they cut off genitals with box cutters and how they kill their own with sedge hammers on camera.
+--- 57881340
+>>57881317
+It's not, I'm just stating facts.
+Guy that got beheaded, not only was he not a citizen of Ukraine, he didn't speak a word of Ukrainian/Russian whatever. Who knows where that redditor was actually from.
+Two morons that did beheading, they're so fucked, ruskies glowies are after them.
+--- 57881343
+>>57881310
+Last time i checked, even promoting your region should leave Russia could get you up to five years in prison in Russia and they made the law a bit before they invaded Crimea. Strange
+
+Oh and then there was Girkin one of the seperatist leaders who said that nothing would have happened if he didn't gone there and started to stir up shit. Do you know Girkin is a former russian intelligence officer? It's just one of many things that happens.
+--- 57881368
+>>57881343
+>Girkin
+Never heard of him
+I only know of Givi, Motorola and Prigozhin.
+--- 57881393
+>>57881368
+Oh yeah, Givi and Motorola got killed by the russians after they stopped being useful and not just wanted their regions to get Anschluss'd by Russia. They ran out of being useful for Russia, Russia killed them. This is what happens when you trust Russia.
+--- 57881397
+>>57880176
+>we’ll
+Nice try Porkchop, but you’re still going to the abattoir
+--- 57881400
+>>57879932 (OP)
+Russia never targeted it in the first place. The rolling black outs were government enforced.
+
+Which looks like justifying taking civilian electricity for the eu companies.
+--- 57881437
+>>57881106
+Fun fact: the US is actually making money by handing over these old vehicles because eliminates maintenance, storage and disposal costs while allowing them to refill units with newer (and thus much cheaper to store and maintain) replacements
+--- 57881478
+>>57881437
+>while allowing them to refill units with newer
+So they basically take money from population and fill pockets of military contractor shareholders with it.
+Only problem is that money doesn't really exist so you're taxed twice, once through the tax itself, 2nd time through inflation but what do I know, realistically I'm just butthurt because I'm poor.
+--- 57881854
+>>57880244
+>Particularly putin in combination with his secret service should have a reasonably qualified and decoupled means to double check military feedback.
+
+They do, and the figures those systems produce are also incorrect for the same reason. At every single stage of recording these numbers, from unit commanders to the people presenting their reports to Putin himself, people are heavily incentivised to lie. Accurate figures practically can’t exist because in a highly authoritarian society like Russia telling the truth is dangerous while lying is rewarded, both directly and indirectly.
+
+You can see an example of the effects this can cause in the early response to the pandemic in China. Officials at every level didn’t want to be seen as responsible for the effects of the virus so every report up the chain of command downplayed the seriousness of the situation. Beijing had absolutely no idea how bad things had gotten until it was too late so instead of being able to contain the virus it spread uncontrollably.
+
+>Shouldn't the house of cards eventually collapse? 
+
+Yes, and it will given time. It has already happened twice to Russia in the last 40 years - once in 1989 when their outer empire in Eastern Europe collapsed, and again in 1991 when the Soviet Union itself fell apart. The Russian state is like a giant Ponzi scheme, eventually the lies it is built on will be so far disconnected from reality that the entire system will fall apart. Democratic societies have checks and balances which systematically try and prevent this from happening. Authoritarian states like Russia generally don’t or have very heavily decayed ones, so when the system is overstressed by something like a war going badly it’s often enough to collapse the whole thing.
+--- 57881871
+>>57880176
+based and /an/pilled
+if I had some land I'd have a pig instead dog
+--- 57882020
+>>57881148
+>>we've captured it? Quick, destroy what remains of the building
+You'd rather they just leave the whole city in ruins forever until the war is finished or something?
+--- 57882134
+>>57880806
+You're not wrong, but let's not lie to ourselves. Once Russia is finally converted, it will still take a lot of work to sanitize and mend the scars they were actively causing in every society around them and beyond, and it will take wisdom and introspection and grace to ensure that there's actual healing instead of replicating the Russian mistakes.
+--- 57882245
+>>57880966
+I love how he's like
+>What a lovely day for taking in the view
+>Oh shit, it's a human, better do some pig shit so he doesn't suspect
+>Bugger the game is up
+>"How do you do, sir, joy of the day to you."
+--- 57882261
+>>57880891
+I hate to tell you this, but bombing a location that is actively communicating to you that it is full of civilians on the off chance your enemy is committing perfidy is still a war crime.
+--- 57882296
+>>57882261
+only individuals can commit war crimes, when an insect hive does it its a force of nature
+--- 57882405
+>>57880029
+>ukrainians actually hiding in civilian infrastructure
+The Ukranians aren't Russians or engaging in urban operations in uncontested cities Vatnik.
+--- 57882594
+>>57881273
+I think they were going to with Czar Nicholas II, but we know how that went.
+--- 57882625
+>>57880806
+That cumshot birthmark guy wasn't entirely incorrect. 
+Collapse like East Berlin and resulting Soviet Union collapse, not really, but collapse as a society from troons, pedophiles, and communists from the inside? Yes.
+--- 57882635
+>>57880176
+Pigs are habitat destroying monsters fit for food and football covers.
+--- 57882646
+>>57881114
+The war is truly over, the vatniggers found the piss jugs.
+--- 57883380
+>>57880862
+And now you suddenly trust some russian propaganda muppets? Get the fuck out.
+They say a lot of shit and all of it needs to be taken with a ton of salt, and while I believe they expect and don't care about civilian casualties, they certainly must have the capacity to optimize their attacks to provide the most effective way forward - in theory.
+They're assholes, possibly incestuous aids ridden alcoholic assholes, but they certainly know the basics of warfare and pretending this is not the case is ridiculous.
+--- 57883561
+>>57881393
+Say what you will about Russia, but they know better than to trust anyone who'd betray their country for Russia.
+--- 57883827
+>>57882625
+no not really
+--- 57883906
+>>57880176
+Porcine trotters typed this post.
+--- 57883945
+>>57880176
+Shut up, Lazerpig
+--- 57884031
+>>57879953
+This is the difference with the USA :
+Sure, that tomahawk you just fired at a building to kill a single team of insurgents might be overkill.
+But at least it's hitting its target, the target is an enemy combattant and you won't ever run out of missiles anyway.
+--- 57884121
+>>57880923
+LMAO. No. Lend-Lease is enshrined into law. And overwhelming majorities in both parties are backing said law.
+--- 57884470
+>>57881154
+>the other example was part of a tightly coordinated military operation with interlocking tactical strikes that actually were working together
+
+One could also just say that they were working, period.
+Russians are failing to achieve lasting result while targeting civilians on purpose.
+USA succeeds in toppling regimes while trying (and sometimes failing, yes) to not hit civilians.
+--- 57884797
+>>57883380
+There is incentive to exaggerate your capabilities- there's no advantage to admitting previous attacks didn't work without reflective analysis. Russians are incompetent drunks, and can't into anything but theft or rape.
+--- 57885342
+>>57880176
+--- 57885468
+>>57883561
+They were idiots for thrusting Russia, doesn't make Russia any less an bad actor.
+--- 57885588
+>>57885479
+being a contrarian still means that your opinion is formed the exact same way as those leftycucks (in context of the status quo), good job retard, in your spiteful rage you decided to be just as thoughtless and irritating as the people you supposed to dispise.
+--- 57885648
+>>57881142
+>Inflation is a global problem
+only it's not
+--- 57885674
+Attacking Ukraine’s large power grid seemed like a poor use of assets to begin with, but maybe the Russians felt like they needed to show some kind of win instead of this constant slow creep forward over sone ruined town.
+--- 57885697
+>>57885648
+>Believing bugmen numbers 
+
+imagine
+--- 57885749
+>>57885648
+why is it called globohomo when it's not even global?
+--- 57885790
+>>57885648
+Why is Brazil's so high when they ride with Based BRICS?
+>>57885749
+Imagine thinking third-worlders matter.
+--- 57885884
+>>57885648
+old data, it's even lower now.
+not much to it, chinks just don't print money that is yet not earned like Biden does.
+--- 57885892
+>>57885648
+yeah china's economy is booming
+--- 57885943
+>>57885892
+Meh, not really, only compared to the west.
+--- 57885991
+>>57885943
+although we can do without them, they can't do without us
+--- 57886078
+>>57880029
+>yes anon there was nazis hiding in the jungle gym
+--- 57886181
+>>57886078
+>oh no, not the children
+--- 57887316
+>>57885749
+Post countries with drinkable tap water, oh wait you already did
+--- 57887344
+>>57881133
+>A big chunk of that
+You're responding to a poster who has just clearly elucidated that it's 0.00301% of the US' GDP
+You are not on /pol/ we actually read the full thread here. You need to do better or you will be fired from your shill position and probably die bleeding somewhere.
+I know you're probably a brown thirdie and nobody, not even your family cares for your life, but you should stop shitting up the board for your own sake at the very least.
+--- 57887415
+>>57886181
+You seem pretty well informed about what's happening on reddit. You instantly can find a picture that was posted there, for example.
+--- 57887596
+>>57880029
+They're static targets, it doesn't take much to find and hit them. Also you're incorrect, I always assume complete Russian ineptitude and they never disappoint.
+--- 57888138
+>>57882594
+they were never going to anon, because they'd still be russian at the end of the day. Russian reformers who get things done are dangerous because they just wind up making a stronger, more dangerous russia that will invariably default to the nature of russians.
+
+The very core of their culture is incompatible with behaving like normal human beings in large numbers.
+--- 57888162
+>>57880949
+--- 57888190
+>>57881126
+Nigger it’s an active war zone. No actor would give a shit about what’s written outside of a building. If there actually are kids there they should be moved. There’s no war in the west.
+--- 57888197
+>>57888190
+if you wage war like a nigger or thirdie, maybe.
+--- 57888200
+>>57881263
+Yeah, the drug problem is ratfucking pro russian columnists. Literally, you can correlate AIDS and heroin abuse rates in Eastern European states to their Russian immigrant/directly descended population to a hilarious degree
+--- 57888212
+>>57880923
+>election 
+Are you stupid? Who cares if a president is in charge? The one way for them to revoke laws is by going through congress and the Senate. Congress introduces the bill, the Senate reviews the bill.
+--- 57888250
+>>57882020
+All I'm saying is that when the Ukranians take back Mauripol, they're gonna find so many skeletons buried underneath it they're gonna rename it to the Bone Zone.
+--- 57888270
+>>57881148
+>pro-Russians should be tried in court of law
+I’m not pro russian. I really dislike them, just like I dislike the wave of reddit war tourists that gets their panties in a twist over literally anything and everything. 
+>they bombed a building during a war!!!
+>can you imagine?!? A building was targeted!!! 
+You want to know a secret? People die in wars
+--- 57889337
+>>57880176
+i want a pet pig
+
+>>57880891
+why would you bomb a theatre anyway
+--- 57889530
+>>57880176
+based, pigs are cute little trashgobblers
+--- 57889655
+>>57880893
+Serbia wasn't habitually turning the guns on its "own" civilians. Kiev is. If democracy 'worked' and wasn't interfered with, this war wouldn't have happened and Maidan wouldn't have mattered.
+--- 57889669
+>>57889655
+you again
+--- 57889670
+>>57889669
+first post in this thread
+--- 57889677
+Here is a recent Russian view on Ukrainians.
+--- 57889824
+>>57889655
+--- 57890009
+>>57880187
+Not much credit for this one, anon. But it really speaks to the difference in mentality between the east and the west. Not just a mode of governance, or an economic system, but the way you describe it - the american value system, vs the russian 'keep a low profile' system, really sheds light on the radical differences. 
+I've thought a bit more about Russian society since the start of this war, and we joke about conscriptovich selling off half his supplies because his commanding officer sold off HIS half, but when phrased like this it really shows how deep the rot may penetrate into their whole society.
+--- 57890319
+>>57881013
+>>57880937
+Remember the Ukrainian brotherhood will join us posts.
+--- 57890360
+>>57881133
+2004, 2008, and 2016 regiems all printed money bother to do some research before posting.
+--- 57890411
+>>57881478
+MIC is hiring like mad. Go to any ship yard and learn to wield.
+--- 57890429
+>>57882134
+USA really failed to bring about a better russia both in 1919 and 1991.
+--- 57890441
+>>57880176
+--- 57890446
+>>57879932 (OP)
+They thought they could break Ukraine's will by making the place a shithole. Unfortunately for Russia, Ukrainians have already experienced Russian rule. They already know that even Russia intentionally damaging their territory with the aim of destroying it will be less destructive than the mundane corruption and incompetence of Russian rule itself.
+--- 57890450
+>>57880176
+--- 57890502
+>>57885884
+Dude the Yuans value is directly derived from the USD to increase exports.
+--- 57890530
+>>57889655
+lol this is so retarded I can't even follow it. I know you faggots all think (you)s are upvotes, so I'm only encouraging you, but take my (you) anyway.
+--- 57890834
+>>57880029
+>wrong intel
+>counter intelligence like placing gps reference devices at wrong places
+I've seen vatniks and vatnik supporters legitimately use this argument and every time I see this nonsense argument I can't help but wonder if Russians are dumb enought to think people will accept it or if they're dumb enought to believe it themselves. 
+
+The bulk of Ukraine's energy infrastructure was built under the USSR and by its very nature it's not exactly something that's going to get up and move around. You don't need GPS guidance or 'new intel' to hit the V.I. Lenin brown-coal powerplant outside Lviv or a major substation in Kramatorks when they're still in the exact same location they were in 1967 when the Russians were running the place. Basic intertial guidance systems should be able to easily hit them, even the very basic ones that Russia can build under the sanctions regime. 
+
+Russian technology is either worse than the inertial guidance in a German V2 rocket or they're deliberately hitting civilians. Or both.
+--- 57890868
+>>57890834
+Actually now I remember that time they shot a missile at Poland and I'm realising that "wrong intel" is a real thing, in the sense of it being a euphemism for "drunk mobik missile operator punched in the coordinates backwards"
+--- 57890889
+benis
+--- 57890890
+>>57880029
+>They can't figure out where giant transformers, power plants and hospitals are
+Anon?
+--- 57891098
+>>57889655
+Nigger the Serbs where genociding people living on what they claimed to be their land and thus their citizens.
+--- 57891166
+>>57879932 (OP)
+I still can't believe this humpty dumpty retard wasted so many expensive, limited missiles on retarded shit.
+--- 57891197
+Any Yooks in this thread? Are the blackouts still as bad as they used to be?
+--- 57891240
+>>57880176
+Fair and righteous
+--- 57891253
+>>57890450
+Nice one anon, if you did in-fact make this
+--- 57891268
+>>57890450
+kek
+--- 57891473
+>>57887316
+But NA water is literal poison