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+Welcome to /k/, 4chan's weapons board. Our board centers around weapons, armor, and other myriad military technology. While guns are the primary topic, threads involving any other sort of weapons, from swords and knives to tanks and jet fighters, come up frequently as well. If you're new, we suggest reading the sticky at http://amagicalplace.wikia.com/wiki/Sticky to get acquainted with the board's subject matter.
+Before posting a thread, please check our catalog to ensure that a thread about the same topic does not already exist.
+>>>/k/catalog

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+--- 27429060
+/k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment.
+Discussions about politics or current events belong on /pol/.
+>>>/pol/
+--- 27429070
+Do not post threads about gun control. They belong on /pol/.
+Troll threads will be deleted, and those posting troll posts will be banned.

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+--- 57772495
+Design, create, and discuss your latest patches
+Previous Thread: >>57714636 →
+>Where do I cop that patch?
+Newest
+>https://patchfeed.com/patch-seller-list/
+Newer
+>https://hackmd.io/@Patchboi/PatchThread
+Classic
+>https://pastebin.com/cXZTGafD
+--- 57772583
+>>57772495 (OP)
+someone please tell me where I can buy the blue /k/ patch for the love of god
+--- 57773373
+>>57772583
+would like to know as well
+--- 57773959
+>>57772495 (OP)
+--- 57776313
+>>57776273
+need links to the bunny girls on top 2 rows
+--- 57777510
+>>57776313
+etsy iirc
+--- 57779722
+Posting a South Vietnamese patch to combat the faggotry:
+--- 57780051
+>>57773959
+>>57775056
+>>57776273
+>>57778610
+>>57779316
+very organic posting
+--- 57780335
+>>57779722
+>never put on an article of clothing and only dropped once
+--- 57780829
+>>57780051
+Fuck ya mudda
+--- 57780853
+>>57779722
+What unit was that from?
+--- 57780977
+Are there any good custom patch sites that do embroidered one-offs? No one has what I'm after but I keep encountering sites with a minimum order of a hundred units and other wack shit.
+--- 57781727
+>>57776313
+Project shokoshu. Probably won't find the ones you want he guy only does limited runs
+--- 57781746
+>>57780335
+Where can I find this
+--- 57782119
+Ukrainian patch ,looks like different tridents in a circle. :2.15 mark.
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_woUtKt6KEs [Embed]
+--- 57782255
+new patch idea
+--- 57782312
+>>57782119
+You mean the vegvisir rune?
+--- 57782943
+>>57780051
+patch idea
+--- 57784481
+for the love of god, someone please tell me how to acquire
+--- 57784583
+>>57784481
+> www.ruten.com.tw
+> item/show?22148307633953
+good luck
+--- 57784604
+>>57784481
+>>57784583
+kek
+--- 57784842
+>>57780977
+Nope rip twill
+>>57782255
+Whats this from?
+--- 57786678
+>>57784842
+Tsukuyomi Moon Phase
+--- 57786728
+>>57784481
+>>57784583
+based, fuck china, fuck holosun, and fuck shitty chinese lasers
+--- 57788540
+Looks like we finally ran off Badger.
+--- 57788835
+>>57788540
+Good, maybe he can put some of that money toward getting opchan running and keep the cp off of it.
+--- 57788914
+>>57788868
+where
+--- 57788936
+patch idea 1/34
+--- 57788943
+patch idea 2/34
+--- 57789014
+>>57788943
+>>57788943
+>of/34
+quit while you're ahead
+--- 57789051
+>>57789014
+no
+--- 57789062
+>>57772495 (OP)
+Why isn't anyone making an Azov-chan patch?
+--- 57789079
+>>57786233
+>>57784583
+>>57783385
+>Marx
+>Taiwan
+>antiklan
+Don't glowies get Sundays off anymore
+--- 57789092
+>>57789079
+>>they do it for free
+--- 57789524
+>>57772495 (OP)
+ready for the range
+--- 57789748
+>>57789524
+kino
+--- 57790161
+>>57789667
+kek king
+--- 57790203
+>>57789748
+faggot
+>ftfy
+--- 57790230
+>>57789062
+>making a patch for a crack head
+ngmi
+--- 57791430
+>>57789667
+basado
+--- 57791759
+Patch idea for Aho
+--- 57792364
+>>57789524
+--- 57793096
+Sput is kill
+Crimson is kill
+who's next?
+--- 57793435
+>>57793096
+all of them
+general is ded
+time to pack up
+--- 57793501
+>>57793096
+fuck sakes, i didnt grab a checchyna butterfly in time
+--- 57793592
+>>57793096
+Great White North Patch Co closing shop or already closed
+--- 57794223
+>>57793096
+Bought SKS Innawoods patch and got refunded.
+I'm gonna cry
+--- 57794296
+Crimson only had like one good patch. Never liked Fallout autism.
+--- 57797187
+Where can I get this?
+--- 57800118
+>>57797187
+what are percs?
+--- 57800325
+>>57800118
+Percocets
+--- 57801543
+When did this become a liberal tranny hangout? Looks like r/liberalgunowners around here now.
+Seems like just last year this was RWDS patches
+--- 57801562
+>>57793096
+it's a shame, Crimson is a good dude I met several times.
+--- 57801582
+>>57801562
+he peg you?
+--- 57801594
+>>57801543
+More than a year but yeah it happened pretty quick. Started with the guy bashing badger, moved onto the pvc I didnt serve because ____ guy, and very rapidly devolved from there.
+--- 57801661
+Wanna get these soon but I dont really know where to put em, I take greymanning to heart
+https://www.etsy.com/listing/907842513/csgo-patch-tct-emblems-ironhook
+https://www.etsy.com/listing/889060036/opposing-force-cs-phoenix-connexion
+--- 57801736
+>>57801661
+>browsing
+Holy fuck look what i found, this brings back memories
+https://www.etsy.com/listing/714265789/battlefield-2-middle-eastern-coalition
+--- 57802708
+>>57802697
+>Im not going to fight for Israel
+--- 57802773
+>>57802718
+New Badger drop?
+--- 57803147
+>>57786678
+Neko mimi mode
+--- 57803466
+>>57802708
+would you do it for a Klondike bar?
+--- 57803737
+>>57801543
+More or less. Trannys are with the Janny because for a while any trans hate or calling out of his faggotry was met with bans left and right. Seems to have died down but only because more people are being vocal. Hopefully, they moved on.
+--- 57803751
+>>57801594
+Now its these god awful spams of gay pride flags, portect equality and god awful starwars shit. Never bought Nazi and Fash stuff but I'd welcome those guys back compared to these fried retards.
+--- 57803808
+>>57803751
+Yeah that slope got steep FAST
+--- 57804803
+>>57803751
+literally those most reddit tier bullshit around
+this general can be summed up as a bot posting a rainbow flag storm-trooper helmet.
+--- 57805062
+Anyone know where I can buy an SKS Innawoods patch? Please
+--- 57805113
+>>57804803
+Pretty much. Baby yoda saying "Equality Protection" meanwhile we never got "The Black Death" or "Intolerance is a Virtue".
+--- 57805670
+>>57680094
+make this patch, faggots
+--- 57806319
+>>57793096
+Damn Crimson was a favorite of mine, RIP
+--- 57806327
+>buy galil patch from one of you guys
+>arrives in 2 days
+unironically thanks for being on the ball
+--- 57806855
+Patch idea
+--- 57806935
+>>57788116
+Where'd you get the awesome face one?
+--- 57807201
+>>57779316
+The Anarchist one is very nice
+--- 57807298
+>>57806935
+>>57807201
+Very organic posts
+--- 57807328
+>>57807298
+Suck my dick you lobotomized faggot
+--- 57807331
+>>57806935
+>>57807201
+Eat a bag of rocks and begone from this place
+--- 57807474
+>>57807328
+you are not fooling anyone
+--- 57808585
+>>57793096
+Fug it I was going to buy some stuff from him.
+--- 57809596
+>>57772583
+What's the idea behind the fake East India Trading Company flag patch?
+--- 57810730
+Guys and dolls. Something is going down
+--- 57810843
+>>57810730
+Something is always going down and nothing ever happens
+--- 57810956
+>>57806327
+Post patch
+--- 57811031
+new petch wall shot
+--- 57811284
+>>57811031
+Just make sure its the last
+--- 57811301
+>>57809108
+why do people have these finger traps in their every day carry?
+--- 57812365
+>>57811031
+How much does the FBI pay? I'm looking for a new career?
+--- 57812578
+>>57798316
+Boot.
+--- 57813145
+>>57811031
+missing the badger ghost of kyiv one. otherwise based af
+--- 57813308
+>>57810956
+its this one
+--- 57813382
+>>57801594
+It's a very specific store posting this stuff, I won't say who, but he's been doing it a long time
+--- 57813767
+>>57813382
+You're one of a couple who blames it on specific patch jews. You start flinging shit when that specific merchant puts his trip on like a fucking chimp.
+Part of the problem.
+--- 57813821
+>>57812365
+the only good thing about government is that all the pay scales are open to the public. starting for a special agent is 55k and max is 72k for level 10, plus however much in location based adjustment. i think the highest location adjustment is the san francisco area which has the same pay be 80k to 100k.
+--- 57813862
+BUY AN AD SPACE
+--- 57814026
+>>57813767
+I never post here anon, I just came by because somebody mentioned Crimson was quitting. Just posting my what I know direct from the source
+--- 57814040
+>>57809630
+Does make a patch insult enemy good?
+--- 57814122
+>>57814026
+Surely this is true.
+Surely you are genuinely whistlebowing on a secret patch making cabal, while also not being involved in any way.
+Do you also know exact details on the deaths of ai and komfy?
+--- 57814294
+>>57814040
+aww look at the poor little ESL trying to speak a real language
+--- 57815580
+Why is Ahoworks taking so long to ship my damn order!?!
+--- 57815591
+>>57815580
+He's on vacation for the whole month of April.
+--- 57815620
+>>57815591
+you're joking...
+--- 57815639
+>>57815620
+--- 57815653
+>>57813382
+>>57813767
+just say NEET and be done with it
+>>57815620
+he's getting drunk in japan with your patch money as we speak
+--- 57815696
+>>57815620
+Nay, he aint.
+--- 57815907
+Anyone know were I can get a 50 blessings patch?
+--- 57816796
+>>57772495 (OP)
+who sells these?
+--- 57816819
+>>57779316
+>dat fucking cringe
+go back to plebbit
+--- 57817576
+>>57772583
+4chan told me all the trannys were gross why is this one cute.
+--- 57817604
+>>57789062
+make your own if you really care for diet russia that much
+--- 57817878
+fuck all your femboy animu drama, i want this
+--- 57817903
+found this one on ebay. i'm planning to put it on a serbian field parka
+--- 57818045
+>>57811031
+https://www.reddit.com/r/Patches/comments/12ftq09/just_wanted_to_show_off_my_patch_wall/
+of course it's a fucking reddit troon
+--- 57818076
+>>57817576
+Its name is lexical, one of the myriad PA trannies.
+--- 57818125
+>>57793096
+>sledgehammer bumper stickers never restocked
+rip crimson you were one of the real ones
+--- 57818156
+>>57818045
+whats wrong with reddit?
+--- 57818233
+>>57818156
+its censored, owned by the chinese, and the insufferable globalhomo basedface users preach endless false virtues
+--- 57818238
+>>57818233
+nevermind I cant even say s o y
+this sites fucked too
+--- 57818769
+>>57793435
+This whole board is dead, it's only fitting.
+--- 57818879
+>>57818769
+Ukraine supporters killed it
+--- 57818915
+>>57818879
+where do they get all the shills from? shouldn't they be armed with aks instead of keyboards? so much for their homeland and all that bullshit
+--- 57820006
+>>57817878
+Can't post link with spam filter
+>>57818156
+It's full of faggots.
+--- 57820588
+>>57818238
+>wordfiltered
+Ironic
+--- 57821489
+>>57772495 (OP)
+Cringe or based to wear this patch on my carrier? As someone from Greensboro
+--- 57821972
+>>57814122
+Anon, don't take everything so seriously
+--- 57822187
+>>57821972
+Hard not to sometimes with the autism and all
+--- 57822683
+Here's some pics I took years ago
+--- 57822698
+>>57822683
+--- 57822709
+>>57822698
+--- 57822753
+>>57822683
+>>57822709
+>>57822698
+Wow that's fucking terrible. Fuck off and don't come back.
+--- 57822860
+>>57822753
+Thanks anon
+--- 57823233
+>>57821489
+Send it. Is that from Texas 144.1?
+--- 57823832
+Lol
+--- 57824158
+>>57818045
+>petch
+Dead giveaway. Do a /k/ archive search for "petch" sometime.
+--- 57824183
+Need pregnant cunny patches
+--- 57825629
+>>57822683
+>>57822698
+>>57822709
+Very nice.
+--- 57825773
+I don't even remember getting half of these
+--- 57826660
+>>57825773
+nothing beats possum patches :D
+--- 57827096
+Patch when
+--- 57827775
+>>57821489
+If you are also from Greensboro like me then its based. Otherwise its lame.
+--- 57827984
+>>57827775
+oof
+--- 57828586
+>>57824727
+kek based
+--- 57829212
+>>57772495 (OP)
+--- 57831307
+>>57814122
+No I don't but was a part of a secret discord
+--- 57832557
+>>57822683
+Anon, did you take these pics in the fucking drying room in your company?
+--- 57834440
+>>57832035
+If you own this sincerely kill yourself
+--- 57835425
+i got some velcro backed patches that would look good on a bag i have with no velcro. how good is iron on velcro? the bag has multiple layers and foam between them so sewing will be a pain.
+--- 57835582
+>>57835425
+It's worked for decades with no issues
+--- 57835937
+>>57835323
+>>57829212
+>>57828001
+>>57826660
+buy an ad space for your horse shit reddit tier garbage you fucking loser
+--- 57836214
+>>57834440
+im a good christian so don't think i will anon
+--- 57836351
+>>57835425
+I have a couple padded bags I used sticky Velcro enhanced with the adhesive tape that’s real thin and melts when ironed. It’s held up so far but I also am careful when changing patches. Also you have to make sure you leave a hair of space around the edges so it doesn’t melt and creep out like in pic.
+--- 57837083
+>>57836351
+Sorry do you mean you added tape to the stick on kind? The stick on and iron on are two different products
+--- 57837251
+>>57837083
+It’s not tape, but it looks like medical tape on a roll. It melts under steam. I used sticky Velcro so the strips would stay out while ironing.
+--- 57838052
+>>57826660
+>>57828001
+Post stinky dildo collection and body hair troon
+--- 57839112
+>>57772495 (OP)
+--- 57839136
+>>57832557
+Yep. There was zero chance I was going to explain Upotte to the other NCOs
+--- 57839206
+>>57801736
+loading geometries... 62%
+--- 57842352
+>>57806327
+Ayy that was me, just started out.
+Thankie!
+--- 57844884
+taytay :D
+--- 57844912
+>>57782943
+seconded. would buy.
+--- 57845280
+Any Holo patches?
+--- 57845388
+>>57845280
+Pastebin
+--- 57846124
+>>57828001
+Please leave this board.
+--- 57846302
+>>57846124
+t. atf agent
+--- 57847126
+>>57784583
+>>57784583
+>>57784604
+Based as fuck. Will be buying
+--- 57847263
+>>57813308
+Sauce me. Where mate?
+--- 57847528
+>>57846571
+you should get new lines.
+--- 57848177
+>>57847263
+https://www.kawaiioperator.com/product/galil-ar-thankie
+--- 57848188
+>>57847528
+you should buy an ad space
+--- 57848515
+>>57848177
+Thankies ^-^;;
+Wished there were more patcheroos on that site. Copped one for now
+--- 57848908
+>>57848515
+Pay your taxes
+--- 57849054
+>>57837251
+Thanks man I found some at a fabric store today and it seems pretty secure
+--- 57849209
+>>57848908
+??? Already did that 14days ago
+--- 57849385
+>>57849209
+Sorry i meant the store
+--- 57849391
+patch idea
+--- 57849598
+Patch idea
+--- 57849799
+>>57772495 (OP)
+--- 57849809
+>>57849799
+ngl that alien due is str8 bussin fr fr ong
+--- 57851584
+>>57849391
+--- 57851794
+>>57844884
+based
+--- 57852527
+Any recommendations on someone who could do a one-off patch?
+--- 57852988
+>>57847303
+Where please to be purchase sirs
+--- 57853284
+>>57852527
+Come up with 2 or three ideas and start a store
+--- 57855880
+>>57855196
+--- 57856394
+>>57801594
+>Started with the guy bashing badger
+I didnt know what i was starting, but im not sorry. My only regret is that we had to suffer along the way.
+--- 57858449
+new cop
+--- 57858839
+got this ages ago and finally have some place to put it
+--- 57859352
+>>57849391
+done already by texas 144.1
+--- 57859366
+PK when
+--- 57859378
+Badger when
+--- 57859505
+>>57852527
+I've got 25pcs of the vietnam napalm hippie patch being made now. It's a test to see if they do good work. I'll let you know how it goes. Should be done in another ~3 weeks or so.
+--- 57859541
+>>57817576
+That's not cute
+--- 57859711
+>>57859366
+>>57859378
+neither of them are looking at this thread
+--- 57862583
+>>57859711
+>>57859378
+I just go on his twitter to get update
+--- 57862947
+>>57862583
+i just check reddit for his latest drops. got the spy balloon one recently
+--- 57863214
+>>57863019
+??? what's wrong with badger posting on reddit and me going there for uodates
+--- 57863254
+got to love the jannies personally monitoring this thread and deleting posts they don't like
+--- 57863387
+>>4491159
+--- 57864341
+>>57772495 (OP)
+>>57782312
+Ahoworks
+Would anyone be able to make this into a patch? Either with Bocchi as the rock shape alone or with the MRE leaning on Bocchi with none of the text.
+--- 57864546
+>>57809596
+Probably a play on the fake Blackbeard flag patches
+--- 57864691
+>>57864341
+PK is making that.
+--- 57864748
+I hate you sick tranny freaks so fucking much.
+--- 57864793
+>>57863254
+yeah they're super fast to delete responses to spam, but refuse to delete the actual spam. Jannies confirmed for intentionally torpedoing the patch thread.
+--- 57864910
+>>57864341
+iirc that's Sours art and tacbacon sells a shirt of it. my recommendation would be to go to sour first to see they're doing a patch
+--- 57865032
+>>57864691
+Awesome, good to hear that! I'll be on the lookout for it on his site.
+>>57864910
+ahh...well I hope they can resolve that issue then. It would be a nice patch for the collection.
+--- 57865475
+>>57864910
+I sent you an email a few weeks ago please respond
+--- 57865831
+>>57865475
+I'll sort through emails when able. not a whole lot I can do atm
+--- 57865933
+>>57865831
+Okay. I just want to know if usps lost my patches or you forgot to send them out. Its not a time sensitive issue so i can wait.
+--- 57867897
+>>57867135
+Cool he's doing the Ai scam now
+--- 57868597
+cleaning and petching ^^;
+--- 57869414
+>57868597
+--- 57869927
+>>57867897
+>you won't be charged until the patches are ready to ship
+--- 57870042
+>>57869414
+and?
+--- 57871034
+:D
+--- 57871091
+>>57864341
+it's such a bad anime though...
+--- 57871276
+>>57869927
+I don't want to give a redditor money though
+--- 57871291
+Fucking jew made the bundle 24.99 so you can't get free shipping
+--- 57871311
+>>57871091
+I enjoy what I like and you can do the same. I don't mind if others do not share the same enjoyment as me with what I find entertaining.
+--- 57871324
+>>57870042
+how do you cope with the fact that the biggest supporters of the LGBTMAP mafia are also the ones leading the charge on gun control?
+--- 57871425
+>>57871324
+the same way the entire conservative mafia copes with the nra, trump, reagen, cops etc
+doing more for gun control than the dems even could dream of i guess. might want to look into the buzzwords you use tho so you don't ask retarded questions next time :D
+--- 57871428
+>>57868597
+trannies are allergic to real fumos, its why they're banned from speedrunning events.
+To trick people they make their own custom ones or use chinese knockoffs
+--- 57871444
+>>57871425
+>n-no u!
+not sure what I expected. have fun with all the blue states steadily disarming their populace.
+--- 57871446
+>>57864341
+Give it a few days. Should be here soon.
+--- 57871523
+>>57780977
+waeponized.design 144.1
+--- 57871621
+>>57871425
+>I support gun rights but I'm also a liberal
+>I better vote liberal because the conservatives are worse
+>My state has banned magazines
+>That's ok because conservatives are worse
+>My state has now banned threaded barrels
+>That's ok because conservatives are worse
+>The conservative state next door has removed their license requirement and is another constitutional carry state
+>My state carry license now requires me to give a blowjob to a cross dressing preschool teacher while facial recognition software determines if im disgusted or not, in order to evaluate if im liberal enough to own a gun
+>Thats ok because conservatives are worse.
+--- 57871786
+>>57871291
+oof
+--- 57871975
+>>57871291
+waaah it costs money to ship things
+--- 57872007
+>>57871975
+yeah but making it 1 cent off so you don't get the free shipping is kikery at it's finest
+--- 57872053
+>>57872007
+I think the idea is you're incentivized to buy more so that your money goes to product instead of shipping
+--- 57872119
+>>57871621
+OP, have you LOOKED at the conservative politicians being put forward as leaders these days? Yes...theyre worse. How many trannies do i have to blow to keep Marjorie Taylor Green away from appointing judges? Line them up.

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+--- 57812977
+Anyone here is Interested in a thread about asian armies and their equipment?
+--- 57812985
+>>57812977 (OP)
+Yeah. /k/ is direly deprived of weapons content. Especially Asian.
+--- 57812986
+>>57812977 (OP)
+No
+--- 57813004
+>>57812977 (OP)
+Please, this board has been severely lacking in autistic info dumps.
+--- 57813023
+>>57812977 (OP)
+impressive
+--- 57813035
+>>57813002
+Why don’t you make a thread then, instead of derailing a promising thread into a ukraine seethe thread.
+Those south korean guns are very cool, it’s interesting to see them looking so old but with upgrades bolted on
+--- 57813056
+>>57812977 (OP)
+apparently China is teasing another border skirmish with India, maybe we'll finally see some action in Asia
+--- 57813063
+Eh
+I'm just going to post some pics
+--- 57813078
+>>57812977 (OP)
+yes
+--- 57813098
+>>57813078
+>Israel
+--- 57813119
+>>57813098
+yes
+--- 57813149
+>>57812977 (OP)
+Sure, unless you start spamming bullshit about hypersonics
+--- 57813168
+>>57813063
+I love these things. Most 80s future looking gun, what were they thinking not adding a stock though
+--- 57813224
+>>57812977 (OP)
+So how are Korea's and Japan's optics compared to ours? I know Nikon used to be in the scope business but those were mostly fudd scopes and not red dots and prisms. Are they reliant on sales from other nations to get the glass they need?
+--- 57813247
+>>57812977 (OP)
+The Indonesians have this 7.62 NATO firing machine gun that looks like a weird offshoot of an RPD, and it’s on a spider looking tripod that lifts up whenever you fire it in bursts, so it needs sandbags, felt kinda silly. Also it doesn’t have butterfly trigger, instead it has like a paddle that you twist down like a motorcycle throttle.
+--- 57813253
+>>57813117
+>>57813080
+Have any of those 3D printing faggots every made a chassis like this?
+--- 57813289
+>>57813224
+Japanese glass is superb. They're using their own company for their LVPOs. Their digital optics OTOH idk.
+--- 57813333
+>>57812977 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt_mtjhr55Y [Embed]
+--- 57813345
+CS/LS06 submachine gun
+--- 57813378
+>>57813117
+Is that real?
+--- 57813379
+>>57813247
+Their cool guy units also have a lot of cool guy shit. HK 416, and he even have agilite gear, which is illegal there since they don’t have recognize Israel so that’s kinda sick.
+Also the machine gun was the madsdeb saetter, and the Indonesians had converted it to 7.62 NATO
+--- 57813428
+Taiwanese camo goes very hard
+--- 57813468
+I JUST LIKE IT
+--- 57813489
+>>57812977 (OP)
+i'm not interested in chink shilling
+--- 57813503
+>>57813412
+i have questions
+why does the guy have a hammer
+what gun is in the back
+why is bob the builder leading the way and packing heat
+--- 57813535
+>>57812977 (OP)
+Define asian
+--- 57813552
+>>57813313
+>>57813292
+>>57813263
+>>57813240
+Total gookoid death
+--- 57813570
+QBZ95B
+--- 57813585
+>>57813570
+--- 57813667
+Zijiang M99 semi-automatic anti-materiel rifle
+--- 57813740
+Old pic from Myanmar
+--- 57813788
+>>57813667
+implessive height over bore.
+--- 57813824
+The W03 sniper rifle was a prototype Chinese bullpup anti-materiel rifle developed as a potential sniper rifle for export to other countries.
+However, the W03 was in developmental hell until 2012, when it was developed into the LR2 sniper rifle.
+--- 57813843
+>>57813824
+--- 57813865
+>>57813824
+The LR2
+--- 57813878
+>>57813865
+--- 57813899
+>>57813878
+--- 57813926
+>>57813899
+--- 57814116
+>>57813878
+>>57813899
+>Sixth International Police Equipment Exhibition in Beijing
+That's an anti-material rifle or one of their funky high velocity grenade rifles, what in the world is it doing at a police exhibition?
+--- 57814272
+>>57814116
+>That's an anti-material rifle?
+Yes
+>what in the world is it doing at a police exhibition?
+Is really that weird?
+I though most special police units have access to high caliber sniper rifle.
+For example,here's a member of the Mumbai police quick reaction team with a Barrett M107.
+--- 57814326
+QLZ87 automatic grenade launcher
+--- 57814352
+>>57814339
+--- 57814416
+In South America
+--- 57814423
+>>57814416
+In Africa
+--- 57814435
+>>57814423
+In the middle east
+--- 57814437
+T91 with M-lok handguard.
+--- 57814458
+The SAR-21 from Singapore
+--- 57814478
+>>57814458
+--- 57814688
+Still can't get over how tiny they look holding any gun.
+--- 57814706
+SAR-21 in Sri Lanka
+--- 57814766
+>>57813078
+>>57813119
+fuck outta here bagel bitch, this is a rice nigger thread
+--- 57814817
+YES OP i posted a thread about the JSDF body armor not too long ago, we need "highspeed" japs, they literally larp as tier 1 in airsoft while their military still uses flak jackets
+--- 57814820
+>>57814785
+>>57814798
+>>57814809
+I hope Iran nukes you
+--- 57814881
+>>57814822
+Tavor is such a good rifle. Leave it to the Israelis to master the bullpup.
+--- 57814998
+>>57814817
+https://twitter.com/dewszt/status/1600803742060019713/photo/2
+If you bother looking for more than 2 seconds. The idea that every basic bitch unit should be running around JPCs and FAST helmets is an absolutely retarded notion when artillery and drone dropped grenades exist. The Type 18 is a perfect combo of soft and hard armor.
+https://euro-sd.com/2023/03/news/30280/jgsdf-to-adopt-new-body-armour-system/
+--- 57815133
+Indian Military’s improvised brass-catchers made from empty plastic bottles.
+--- 57815150
+>>57815133
+--- 57815166
+>>57815133
+Japs used noodle strainers as brass deflectors
+--- 57815182
+>>57812977 (OP)
+--- 57815225
+INSAS rifles with some factory made brass catcher
+>>57815133
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGDyveapEQQ [Embed]
+--- 57815243
+>>57815225
+--- 57815277
+>>57815225
+YouTube link mean for>>57815166
+--- 57815332
+Dunno what's with asians and their obsession with brass collecting.
+--- 57815338
+Does Australia throwing its SOG guys under the bus count?
+--- 57815346
+>>57815338
+No
+--- 57815507
+>>57815346
+Walked around Melbs or Shitney lately? Or Brissie? We're an Asian cuntry.
+--- 57815542
+Tell me about the insect men, why do they like brass catchers so much?
+--- 57815574
+>>57815507
+Ah, yes. And California is apart of Mexico.
+--- 57815575
+>>57814998
+looks badass, desu i couldnt find anything when i looked for more than 2 seconds thanks for looking for me.
+--- 57815610
+>>57815542
+shiny
+--- 57815617
+>>57815542
+probably some ridiculous rule where they count all the brass to make sure its the same as the amount of ammo issued
+--- 57815777
+>>57812977 (OP)
+Will Taiwan allow foreigners to join their military with this CHYNA threat?
+--- 57816279
+The Indonesian Pindad PS-01 pistol
+--- 57816288
+>>57816279
+--- 57816302
+>>57816288
+--- 57816343
+>>57815332
+Because most Asian countries have strict gun control, brass are collected to ensure the soldiers don't sneak the bullets home.
+t. Asian
+--- 57816408
+You now remember the North Korean helical magazine AK
+--- 57816424
+>>57813063
+>>57813168
+There was a provision for stocks on them at one point in time I believe. Why it was never implemented commonly, no idea.
+I've been collecting pictures of the fucking PM-9 for a while now to try and generate a 3D model, I want to mill one out of a 4140 block of steel I've got kicking around.
+Picrelated - the only example I've ever seen, captured in photo form with a fucking potato.
+--- 57816454
+>>57813345
+>>57813354
+>>57813370
+This has to be near the top of all Chinese weapons platforms I really want to fondle.
+--- 57816496
+>>57813253
+There are models out there but none that are accurate to the best of my knowledge.
+I've been collecting data on this fucking thing for like a year now to try and generate a model.
+Internals are pretty much standard Mini/Micro uzi bolt, striker, magwell, and FCG as far as I am aware, with an extended micro uzi dimension barrel and shroud with regular mini/full size uzi barrel nut thread sizes.
+--- 57816613
+>>57815574
+Yes
+--- 57816650
+Some weird looking suppressors from the 2020 DPRK parade
+--- 57816667
+>>57816650
+--- 57816931
+ROK Coast Guard Special Sea Attack Team members during training
+--- 57817282
+>>57812977 (OP)
+>Other US military branches aren't allowed to wear MARPAT
+>Other countries are allowed to wear MARPAT
+--- 57817302
+>>57814437
+I want a T91 upper so bad but I'm not impressed with the plastic handguard version that we get here
+--- 57817318
+The first M16A1 produced in Korea, serial #001
+--- 57817325
+Indigenously produced 60mm mortar
+--- 57817336
+>>57813289
+Dion is the manufacturer I believe.
+The model they're specing for the howa type 20 is an 1-10x lpvo with dual reticles so the crosshair remains the same while windage and elevation charts appear out of nowhere in the background when you zoom in.
+It's also smaller in length than most other 1-6x optics.
+Fuckin' sunrise kingdom magic man.
+--- 57817339
+>>57816442
+--- 57817353
+Type 74s are a cute. I hope the japs send some to Ukraine
+--- 57817374
+>>57813224
+The glass in most quality optics comes from Japan. So its probably great.
+--- 57817377
+>>57817282
+My understanding is it went like this
+>USMC funds, tests, and develops the pattern because the Army has fucked up multiple times in a row making worthless patterns that don't match the biomes or use cases they're intended for, and will surely fuck up again (correct assessment)
+>makes a really good pattern that's fantastic in the conditions it's designed for and at the time one of the best patterns for use at night against NODs
+>they patent it
+>Army suddenly realized, hey we want that
+>so the USMC says "so pay for it"
+>Army says no, fuck you, I'll make my own digital camouflage, it'll be the best camouflage, it'll work in every environment, on the moon, in grasslands, on your grandma's couch, in deserts, in woodlands, in cities
+>they fuck up again, lmao, trying to make it match everywhere made it work nowhere, except on your grandma's couch
+>after years of pretending everything is fine they finally pay crye to use their multicam pattern
+So anyway other countries probably either pay to license it or don't answer the phone when the marine corps calls to ask if they're going to pay their licensing fees already
+--- 57817389
+>>57816650
+Can't unsee.
+--- 57817441
+>>57816572
+I love looking at all the wild kit NK parades out. Its like their army is a bunch of larpers and they are trying to copy every setup they see and think looks cool.
+--- 57817463
+>>57813865
+pretty sure this is getting used in myanmar right now
+--- 57817603
+Which Asian military has the most soulful camo?
+--- 57817606
+>>57816582
+--- 57817688
+>>57817377
+You forgot the
+>Shamelessly copied CADPAT and recolored it with leftover crayons the marines didn't eat
+--- 57817689
+>>57817603
+Malasya
+--- 57818544
+>>57815166
+Adapt, improvise, overcome
+--- 57818555
+>>57817353
+On one hand, they're really outdated, on the other hand, they would be fighting vatniks, so I wouldn't be surprised if it would've score a kill on T-90
+--- 57818562
+>>57817302
+You can buy the M-lok handguard on T91 Tactical.
+--- 57818564
+A blow forward automatic grenade launcher
+--- 57818573
+ROC Army Special Forces are using Trijicon MRO and EOTECH G33 combo on their T91s now.
+--- 57818589
+>>57813056
+What's India got? This is China's
+--- 57818657
+>>57814881
+it ok, could be improved
+and they did
+--- 57819964
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIrapk2DT3U&amp;ab_channel=Neje203 [Embed]
+--- 57821233
+>>57817353
+Finally, a tank for the latino market
+--- 57821282
+I love the look of Jap SWAT. I really want a New Nambu M60
+--- 57822156
+>>57821233
+Lol
+--- 57823245
+>>57812977 (OP)
+The South East Asian archipelago is an interesting theatre of war. There is a fuck ton of human beings, industrializing societies and an environment that lends itself to amphibious landings and parachuting. If those nations got there shit together and made a military and economic alliance it would make for an interesting civilization given how it is primarily made of islands. Many of these countries have young growing populations and are looking to be the next centers for economic boom if globalism functions properly and industry isn't reshored. The problem as far as I can tell, because there are too many nations to read about is that there individual military strengths suck.
+--- 57823554
+>>57814865
+What gun is that?
+--- 57823617
+>>57821282
+You should see the chair their boss sits in.
+--- 57823898
+>>57823554
+Daewoo K1 but with a Mlok handguard and a buffer tube adapter for the stock.
+--- 57824576
+Top armor technology from Philippines
+--- 57824591
+Why is it so difficult to find East Asian surplus outside of chinese things? Do they not get rid of it and destroy it? Or is there some secret i'm not aware of?
+--- 57825603
+>>57812977 (OP)
+Please do so.
+--- 57825607
+>>57823898
+The updated Daewoos look pretty good ngl
+--- 57825620
+>>57825607
+--- 57826529
+>>57823617
+Kek
+--- 57827366
+>>57824576
+>ERA
+--- 57829592
+>>57812977 (OP)
+--- 57829723
+>>57821282
+Jap MTF looking pretty good
+--- 57830117
+>>57818562
+What kind of brass-catcher is that?
+--- 57830288
+>>57813078
+what is with israelis trying to post their gay webms at any given opportunity
+--- 57830317
+>>57825607
+love it, looks like some Metal Gear Solid V AbominationKino
+--- 57830356
+>>57816424
+Reminds me of the MP7 stock Fab Defense makes.
+--- 57830365
+>>57818657
+>smallest target takes point
+kek, makes sense
+--- 57830441
+>>57814435
+whats with the hat? bro looks like he came straight out of a portal from kabul in the 80's
+--- 57830500
+>>57816667
+Why I get the feeling that all the snow camo will soon look like M05?
+--- 57830570
+SAR 21 is a kino rifle
+--- 57830630
+I am partial to the Nork copy of the Komatsu LAV.
+--- 57830632
+>>57830117
+Brass Goat AR Catcher
+--- 57830691
+>>57818573
+>MRO’s
+Holy fuck, they have contracts?
+--- 57830719
+>>57812977 (OP)
+They have some interesting grenade launchers.
+--- 57830735
+>>57816288
+>>57816279
+Wait, what the fuck is this Robocop shit doing in Indonesia?
+Is it a Beretta 93r copy in a funny caliber WITH THE PROP COMPENSATOR STANDARD?
+--- 57831557
+>>57830570
+Yeah
+--- 57833452
+>>57825721
+What pattern is this
+--- 57834042
+>>57831557
+>>57830735
+--- 57835051
+CS/LS06 in Myanmar
+--- 57836627
+>>57833452
+No idea
+--- 57837714
+>>57823245
+Yeah
+--- 57837739
+>>57837714
+Famas
+--- 57837890
+>>57814881
+>1.8 MOA on a great day
+--- 57837967
+>>57813078
+real tough against rock throwing kids lol
+--- 57838195
+>>57813224
+>he isn't aware of Dong In
+--- 57838226
+>>57813263
+Why blur a korean?
+--- 57838372
+>>57830691
+Like it or not it is a clean picture and shadow from a tube.
+--- 57838480
+>>57813224
+When I was in Korea, whatever indigenous red dot seemed like it was somewhere between Aimpoint and primary arms in terms of quality.
+--- 57838625
+Anyone got shit on the MSSR from Indonesia
+--- 57838996
+>>57813080
+I love how you can shove this gun as is on a Cyberpunk anime like Ghost in the Shell and looks completely futuristic and coherent with its setting, whereas guns like the Type-89 look old as fuck, incredibly outdated.
+--- 57839023
+>>57813454
+I'm partial do the A1 variant myself.
+--- 57839045
+>>57817336
+That's pretty rad
+--- 57839152
+>>57814822
+>proceeds to drive tank into a ditch
+--- 57839175
+>>57815332
+Stupidly fucktarded gun control laws to the point in where people can get in trouble if they so much as have empty bullet casings on their possession.
+--- 57839195
+>>57816408
+These North Korean tactical vests use some sort of fabric that thinner than my tighty-whities and those helmets are absolutely made of plastic.
+--- 57839218
+>>57818555
+Stick a new turret on them and some ERA on the tank's glacis and it will be good to go.
+--- 57839272
+>>57825750
+>Daewoo with that heatshield
+Sex
+--- 57839306
+>>57813503
+Their ways are beyond your understanding, Westoid.
+--- 57839561
+>>57817377
+UCP was ok in the rocky mountains of Afghanistan. They worked really well in a sandy environment too after like a day or two of getting dirty in the field.
+--- 57839597
+>>57839561
+>if you smear it with the environment it becomes the same color as the environment
+wow, very cool
+--- 57839697
+>>57830365
+My SWAT team does that too. The guy in the rear generally has the biggest gun and he covers the hall while we search rooms and take corners. When the stack is moving down a hall, we crouch low enough so the rear guy can shoot over our heads if necessary for additional firepower. Because of this, it's more efficient to make the tallest guy in the stack the rear man.
+--- 57839847
+>>57839597
+Kys
+--- 57839860
+>>57839847
+Your picture is an excellent example. Which part matches? Oh yeah, the dirty part. Wow, the uniform works when it's no longer its original color but is instead literally covered in the environment. And all you need to do to hide in a mud puddle is cover yourself in mud.
+--- 57839949
+>>57839597
+sure but it’d be harder if the base color was bright blue or something
+--- 57839980
+>>57839860
+>the dirty part
+Nigga, it's barely that dirty. I'm still right. Cope.
+--- 57839997
+UCP Delta was alright.
+--- 57840009
+>>57839980
+>Nigga, it's barely that dirty.
+Look at his leg. It matches the ground next to him. Look at the rest of him. It does not.
+>i-if I post a tiny res picture it kinda all blurs together!
+very nice anon, except even from the thumbnail I can pic out the dumbfucks in UCP, and yet the one guy's multicam backpack blends in to the background.
+--- 57840133
+>>57839023
+where the actual mcinfuck do you get those fucking uppers for those things, or rails. Where. How. Who sells them? Where are they sold? Being an american with a T97 is suffering man.
+--- 57840261
+>>57840133
+There is this company that I know of, but I don't know if they ship to outside of Canada.
+http://www.t97.ca/
+--- 57840419
+>>57840261
+>>57840261
+i hate you leaf fucks.
+>image limit reached
+fuck off.
+>Please note, the LHG is no longer available and there are no future productions planned. All backorders are filled. Thank-you.
+--- 57840563
+>>57815379
+Is that a fucking digital camo M1952 flak vest?
+--- 57840569
+>>57840419
+I'm not leaf, am Brazilion.
+--- 57840704
+>>57840569
+>Brazilian
+Oof chief, that's gonna be a yikes from me dawg. A real WeirdChamp moment from right there, senpai. Just some big cringe energy vibes from this coming from this post, deadass.
+--- 57841635
+>>57840704
+fr fr no bussin
+--- 57842292
+>>57813313
+>K1A
+>KIA
+hahaha
+--- 57842534
+>>57825750
+It took me way too long to realize that that pouch wasn't some tactical codpiece.
+--- 57842695
+>>57842534
+Same
+--- 57844130
+>>57842534
+>2023
+>not having tactical codpiece
+It's like you don't want space to get comfortably erect while shooting
+--- 57846870
+bump
+--- 57847817
+>image limit reached
+Should we make another thread?
+--- 57847835
+>>57813056
+One would hope. But it's quite unlikely.
+--- 57849024
+>>57813224
+LOW is pretty much the most used optics maker for most scope brands like Trijicon, Vortex, etc. Quality glass.
+--- 57850171
+>>57814437
+Pure sex
+--- 57851744
+>>57847817
+Well? Yes or not?
+--- 57852565
+>>57837890
+you don't need sub-moa accuracy when you're murdering Palestinian children at close range
+--- 57853576
+Six million palestinian children...
+All death...
+--- 57855741
+>>57840133
+How the fuck did you get one of those? I thought access to chinkshit rifles was one of the few exclusive pros of being a gun guy in this socialist ice box versus stateside. IIRC Bush senior put an import block.
+--- 57855763
+>>57830288
+US glownigs outsource to Israel to spam shit.
+--- 57855804
+>>57824591
+The JSDF actively tries to keep it out of foreign hands, mostly because of Nork infiltrators having done shit in the past, both in SK and even in Japan itself.
+--- 57856174
+>>57855804
+>mostly because of Nork infiltrators having done shit in the past, both in SK and even in Japan itself
+I'm curious what other conspiracy theories are actually true. Before 2002 socialists and North Korean diaspora in Japan were claiming that there were no abductions of Japanese citizens by Korean infitrators and that's just a right wing conspiracy theory
+--- 57857478
+>>57856174
+Supposedly the Japs have at least some work on a potential warhead if ever the day comes. The space program being a dual purpose ballistic missile development opportunity and their plutonium stockpiles from reactor byproduct, those are public knowledge. But iirc some anon had claimed they had actual research or technical information of some sort on the bomb
+--- 57857582
+>>57857478
+>The space program being a dual purpose ballistic missile development opportunity
+What, you don't have solid fuel space rockets that can be launched on short order with just a laptop instead of control tower for your peaceful scientific needs?
+--- 57858092
+>>57824576
+stand off distance is stand off distance
+--- 57860763
+>>57813224
+Pretty good
+--- 57861537
+>>57817336
+Wait, are you sure it's 1-10x? According to wikipedia type 20 was shown with DEON MARCH 8x, which sounds like 1-8x optic
+--- 57863939
+>>57840261
+Thanks
+--- 57865588
+>>57813056
+>"Bloddy bich basterd, post bobs and vagene or I post tinnamin copypasta!"
+--- 57865609
+>>57842292
+For me it was the 5.56 nato smg.
+--- 57865850
+>>57816931
+These guys actually do shit. North Korea still occasionally tries to kidnap random fishermen, and did so super often in the early 2000s. These guys just hang out and wait to shoot Norkies who try it.
+--- 57868838
+>>57812977 (OP)
+Non
+--- 57871343
+>>57814658
+Wow, a Starlight picture?
+--- 57871431
+>>57816343
+Can confirm (Singapore), heard on the grapevine that quite recently there was one case involving a sergeant which was on guard duty for firearms negligence after a round was discovered to have went missing; one of the guys he was in charge of accidentally ejected/dropped the magazine (a possible mistake is that it was not inserted properly) from his rifle and didn't check the number of rounds thoroughly afterwards
+All I know was that some uncle from the canteen found the round on the ground a few hours later, not sure what happened to those implicated; really sucks because the sergeant (from what I've heard) was already reaching the end of his national service obligations

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+-----
+--- 57819001
+Does 300WM magazines take 308?
+--- 57819165
+>>57819001 (OP)
+They will fit inside but it will not fit in a .308 maxwell. Short action vs long action.
+--- 57819210
+>>57819165
+I know.
+I'm looking for a way to make my .308 M94/14 take detachable magazines, and PTG makes a Mauser magazine well for AICS long action magazines. Figure if it fits, it'll work.
+--- 57819602
+>>57819001 (OP)
+>QTDDTOT
+Why aren't constant force springs more common in magazines? They seem like a good way to make higher capacity magazines more reliable but they're rare, so I'm assuming there is some catch.
+--- 57819628
+>>57819210
+Is .308 NATO's case large enough to not just slip through the feed lips?
+--- 57819886
+>>57819628
+That's what I'm wondering.
+--- 57819950
+Is there any diffrence between industrial (?) peltor protac 3 like pic related and hunter/shooter model? Or rather are these also ok for shooting?
+--- 57819961
+>>57819886
+If this thread is still up when I get home I'll measure my X-bolt magazine. It's in 300WM. Won't be perfect, but it'd be a start.
+--- 57820023
+Will a Mossberg 590 hand guard fit the maverick 88?
+--- 57820102
+>>57819950
+They don’t have a noise cancellation function like walker razors, but they are a way better NRR of 26vs23. Double the price though, but I can see it being worth it. They’re very nice. Albeit pretty big. I can see them fucking up your cheek weld.
+I’m pretty satisfied with wearing plugs with my walker razors.
+--- 57820166
+>>57820102
+Me buddy is authorised dealer of 3m and he could get me these for a very good price. Unfortunately his discounts aint work for shooter/hunter, only basic peltor 3 or slims.
+So i should be fine with either of these?
+--- 57820252
+>>57820166
+That’s pretty dope. They’ll work well, other than active noise cancellation all that matters is NRR value, and you don’t easily get higher than 26 with over the esr muffs. You’ll probably want to double up still, you never get hearing back once it’s gone.
+They do kinda look like it can make getting a good cheek weld difficult, that’s the only issue I see with them. Even the slim walker razors can be against the stock sometimes.
+--- 57821325
+Will I ever get a gf?
+--- 57821432
+>>57819961
+Thanks anon
+--- 57822243
+Can you still buy 30 round mags in Oregon/are shops still selling them? Google seems to go back and forth about it.
+--- 57823511
+>>57820023
+Yes but you usually have to buy a new action slide assembly, they usually cost like 50-60 dollars. They're pretty simple to install, shouldn't need any tools or anything. Apparently some 88's at one point were made with the normal 500 one but almost all have it as one piece with the handguard, it's one of the cost saving measures on the 88.
+--- 57823536
+Does anyone actually ever use the lanyard loops on handguns?
+--- 57823604
+Does anybody know about an AR style buttstock where the buttpad is convex instead of concave?
+Like the shaping is the same, but the buttpad itself, the rubber, is cylindrical instead of being either flat or slightly concave
+--- 57824258
+>>57819001 (OP)
+What if someone drilled a bullet and lodged a tungsten-thorium tig electrodes in it as a heavy metal penetrator, would it work ? Asking for a friend
+--- 57824303
+>>57824258
+You'd have to make sure it's extremely well centered, and that it had supporting material from the rear jacket because normal FMJ would just blow the core.
+--- 57824408
+>>57824303
+Like this ?
+--- 57824546
+I accidentally screwed a 6-32 screw into a 6-48 hole in an aluminum receiver while trying to mount an optic plate. There were some shavings in the hole so I definitely stripped it.
+I was able to attach the plate securely in the same holes using the correct 6-48 screws but haven't shot it yet. Will this hold or am I gonna have to retap a bigger hole?
+--- 57824675
+>>57819210
+>>57819001 (OP)
+Long action and long action magnum have different base diameters. You want standard long action assuming whatever gun this is has the room needed for a long action magazine.
+Make sure your magwell cutout is big enough for whatever bottom metal you're looking at.
+--- 57824835
+>>57821325
+yes
+WAGMItvhjmx
+--- 57824933
+>>57823604
+some of the a1 stocks are like that but then you have to look out for the ones that didnt have the rubber shit damaged or replaced with a2 parts for a trapdoor.
+honestly just take sandpaper to what you have and round the edges.
+--- 57824935
+Grandfather is circling the drain, and he had decades old books and periodicals on all sorts of gun stuff to go so far as to build your own gun. What is the idea on selling these kinds of things. It's a thing my Grandmother is asking me and my Dad to deal with soonish.
+--- 57825312
+>>57821432
+0.466" on the feed lips.
+Hope that helps.
+--- 57825563
+>>57824408
+I imagine that would work. If you went in from the front I think it could be a problem.
+--- 57827377
+>>57824935
+Probably find a local flea market with a "hunting" day or a "military" day and set up. Or a normal flea market. As far as it's just books (and your local flea market is not gay) you should be fine to sell and there will probably be some guy who buys 70% of your shit outright to resell or hoard. Milsurp and old books like that do end up at places like that and there's often sellers that swoop that shit up early in the morning.
+--- 57829754
+Why do Americans and chinese dont wear balaclavas/face covering but russians love to wear them ?
+--- 57829972
+>>57829754
+Because Russians are ugly
+--- 57830187
+>>57829754
+Because Russia is fucking cold as shit and >>57829972 is a nigger
+--- 57830200
+Where can I get cheap woodland ALICE pouches
+--- 57830928
+>>57819602
+Additional cost, expense, and lower durability compared to conventional springs which already work well.
+>>57819001 (OP)
+What is the best FFP MPVO for the money. I like the looks of the Swampfox Kentucky Long and Athlon Helos 2-12s, but I'm curious what else is out there.
+Unfortunate I cannot stand Primary Arms' weird horseshoe reticles.
+--- 57833816
+>>57830200
+Good will, pawnshops (haggle on these because they've been in the same spot since the 80s), ebay, yard/estate sales.
+Insider Trading: Make a trip to your local military base with $1,000 cash and hit the dozens of pawn shops off base for stupid deals on stupid stuff.
+--- 57833954
+Can someone recommend a cheap plate carrier that will fit 1 inch hard plates (militech) AND hard 6x6 side plates? Looking at the Condor modular gen II but want to check out other options.
+Trying to keep it under $200.
+--- 57836137
+Is there any reason to get a hammer coach gun over hammerless?
+--- 57836400
+>>57819001 (OP)
+what do 'target practice' rounds mean exactly? are they still lethal? does it mean they use less gun powder in the bullet? or does it just mean it's a non-hollow point?
+--- 57836468
+>>57836400
+What? Are you talking about FMJ? Companies just print "target" on the box because it's their intended use. If they were less powerful they'd be shit for practicing and zeroing with and wouldn't cycle right in semi-automatics. They're still bullets and have killed people
+--- 57836536
+>>57836137
+Aesthetics mainly.
+--- 57837697
+Is the rdb as bad as people say. 1k for one is really tempting for a first bullpup.
+--- 57837805
+>>57837697
+Mines an old one with a fucked up top rail. I've had perfect reliability and its handy, but goddamn don't touch the top rail.
+--- 57838230
+Just got this sxs hammer shotgun, wanted to know is it normal for them to have some sort of wobble?
+--- 57839091
+I ordered a panzer m4 today from buds
+Most bad reviews have to deal with the stupid stock issues so it seems well reviewed
+I already have a benelli m2 and m3 and didnt feel the cost was worth it for the b m4
+Anyone have the panzer? how you like
+--- 57839543
+>>57836468
+>Companies just print "target" on the box because it's their intended use.
+I was just making sure. I'm a new gun owner but i'm afraid of using hollowpoints because what if I'm in a scenario where I need penetration to take down a suspect? Why isn't penetration more important than wound cavity?
+--- 57839557
+>>57833954
+Try calling pawnshops that focus on firearms. Might have some used plates for sale.
+--- 57839562
+>>57839543
+>e. I'm a new gun owne
+lurk, faggot
+--- 57841713
+Uhh historical question about swords. The development history of the katana is very interesting to me, was there any Western equivalent?
+>take standard military sidearm just before the dawn of the modern era
+>try to fix any flaws of it
+>downsize it, optimize it for unarmored EDC and quick-draw
+Rapiers and epees are close, but more difficult to draw and better for dueling than open combat
+--- 57841754
+Could a gun CIWS like Phalanx or Goalkeeper shoot down say a 16" shell? What about one of those missile based CIWS?
+--- 57842079
+How much of a difference is there between FMJ and hardcast lead? Particularly for large animal defense. I see a bunch of people talking about how hardcast lead is the best load but I don't see how a nonexpanding bullet resistant to deformation would be enough different than a 180 grain flat nose FMJ at 1300 fps to justify paying Underwood 200cpr.
+>>57823536
+Some militaries and specialized police people mandate it, the 101st airborne M17 in the new ForgottenWeapons video for instance has a lot of wear on the loop which suggests that at least some airborne guys use them.
+--- 57844726
+Why the FUCK dont M11 stocks fit semi auto clones? I just want to make this piece of shit i got for basics free somewhat less shit.
+https://macmachineguns.com/?product=m11-folding-stock-2
+--- 57845027
+Did anyone tried handloading Rhino Solid Shank bullets? How good are they? In my country they're two or three times cheaper than Hornady, RWS or Lapua, yet there aren't many reviews of them.
+Who makes better 7x64 factory rounds? Found some decent 7x64 rifles, but the ammo is scarce.
+Would it be comparable to.30-06 in terms of power and handloads? I'm not planning to go hunting brown bear, at least right now, but I want to know how good are my chances may be with hand loaded rounds.
+How should I choose the bullet weight for my game, is there some sort of a weight-game table, as with bird- and buckshot?
+--- 57845046
+>>57841713
+>downsize it, optimize it for unarmored EDC and quick-draw
+Epee to rapier, rapier to sidesword, cutlasses and hangers to sabers and messers, trench daggers and fighting knives to bayonets.
+--- 57845794
+>>57845027
+I've never used the Rhino bullets so I can't comment on those. 7x64 is about the same power as .30-06. Rifle bullet construction matters more than the weight, but generally speaking the lighter weight bullets will be for smaller game and the heavier bullets will be for larger game.
+--- 57845868
+late evening, someone knocking at your door, do you open empty handed? what do?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0TmKOVyFg [Embed]
+what do?
+--- 57846102
+>>57845794
+>but generally speaking the lighter weight bullets will be for smaller game and the heavier bullets will be for larger game
+Yeah, that's obvious, But I thought that there would be an easy digestible article on choosing the bullet weight.
+Agreed on the construction, but it's hard to find a bad bullet from a famous brand on reloading market. That's why I ask about Rhino, they're not as famous as RWS, but more affordable. I expect to stick with SP, HP and plastic tip bullets, because, well, FMJ doesn't deform as much.
+--- 57846127
+>>57845868
+Opening the door with a gun in your hand is retarded, especially at night. Most of the time its going to be a cop. Having a gun concealed or in a holster that isn't immediately visible is a good idea; cops won't immediately shoot you and you have it if you need it.
+Step 1: ask who it is
+Step 2: if they claim to be the police, call 911 and ask if real police have really been sent to your address. Inform the people outside that you are calling 911 to make sure. If it is the police, you'll have mildly inconvenienced them but they probably won't care. If its not the police, then you already have 911 on the line and can tell them that someone is there impersonating a cop so they can break in, outsourcing your violence to the real cops and saving yourself from potentially getting into a voluntary gunfight. To be clear, this is a 100% valid use of 911.
+Alternate step 2: if they don't claim to be the police, use your peephole/doorbell camera (you do have a security system, right anon?) to sus out if you are willing to take the chance on it being a criminal for the chance to help someone. If you cant decide, you can always call someone else to help them out (for instance, sending them an uber if they need a ride, use your imagination).
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEi9Qpnro34 [Embed]
+If you open the door with a gun in your hand, best case scenario you scare the shit out of some confused drunk or pizza boy. Worst case you get into a gunfight with the cops or some criminal.
+--- 57846593
+>>57846127
+thanks! unfortunately no peephole where i'm renting. been visited once by two plainclothes, asking about my neighbor. had my rape whistle behind the door, outside of their view, and felt retarded about it since then.
+--- 57847047
+I see all the posts about Russia using T54's now and laughing at them for it, but I'm not sure I get why. I mean, the T72's, T80's, and T90's get slaughtered too, right? So are T54's really a down-grade? If a single ATGM will kill a T90, a T54 isn't exactly worse for also getting OHKO is it?
+--- 57849127
+>>57819001 (OP)
+Bit cringe to say
+I have a gun loving OC, (stick in crazy).
+What’s cooler/more attractive KAC chainSAW with m203 or sci fi m82a2?
+--- 57849320
+>>57849127
+They're both pretty dumb but I suppose I'd find an actual M82A2 impressive.
+>>57847047
+The older tanks are more vulnerable to a wider range of cheaper and more abundant threats. As short as the front line combat life of all the systems that already got schlacked was, an obsolete tank would be killed even faster. At some point they'd be getting destroyed so quickly and easily that even bringing them to the fight is a complete waste of time, resources and lives. Hard to say if the 54/55 is really that level of abject uselessness since Ukraine has successfully made use of some extremely modified examples though.
+>>57845868
+Have the gun out of sight.
+>>57839091
+I don't have the Panzer but I have a different M4 clones that was imported by Charles Daly (601 DPS). Lot of trigger time on it so far and I'm extremely happy with it.
+>>57838230
+It's not great but kind of like a revolver a little wobble is acceptable. That means it's either worn, not the best quality or both.
+--- 57849437
+>>57819001 (OP)
+Do operators ever use ricochets to take out someone that is hiding behind a structure? For example aiming at a concrete floor or aiming at the side of a hardened wall? Sort of like a trick shot.
+--- 57850250
+What kind of ALICE M16 pouches have a big brass ring on the bottom for a drainage hole? It has 1990 and 1991 stamped on it, don't know if ones a contract date and the other and issue date or whatever
+--- 57850528
+Assuming all other parts are CA-compliant, could a commie-state ARfag with a featureless grip legally switch it out with a pistol grip if a bullet-button is installed?
+--- 57850536
+What optics would pair well with my Savage A22 Takedown? It has iron sights built in but it's kind of hard to see indoors and I get like 5 inches groups with it at 25 yards.
+I also have a bolt action 22lr with a 4-14x scope that I enjoy shooting more. I'm tempted to swap the scope over and see if it's as enjoyable.
+--- 57850566
+>>57850528
+Shit meme, faggot
+--- 57850585
+>>57850528
+> a bullet-button is installed?
+this is illegal in ca
+--- 57850587
+>>57850566
+Not enough words tankie?
+--- 57850601
+Also, why do people buy SFP optics? Doesn't FFP optics do everything better?
+>shoot paper target
+>point of impact is off
+>look at markings and measure how far off it is
+>dial it in
+>done
+Can't do that with sfp unless the rifle is immobilised with a vise or something.
+--- 57850646
+>>57839543
+Look man part of being a good hollowpoint is consistent test passing penetration. There's an fbi test that is like the standard for how a hollow point should perform. Nerd out on some videos like tn9outdoors and shootingthebull410 for ballistics test. As long as you don't cheap out on your hollow points and stick to the big 3, federal hst, Speer gold dot, winchester ranger t, you'll be better than fine.
+--- 57850648
+>>57850601
+>Can't do that with sfp unless the rifle is immobilised with a vise or something.
+i think youve mistaken something or dont actually fully understand sfp. because you can do that.
+the issue with sfp is when you change magnification.
+dialing in windage and elevation would work fine as long as you knew what you were doing(like how much each click moved) and didnt fuck with the magnification.
+--- 57850682
+>>57850648
+Don't SFP reticules usually not have markings to measure with? And even if there are markings, the markings won't translate directly to the number of clicks of the turrets?
+--- 57850712
+>>57839091
+I got the same one as wumbo, only have like 300ish shells of random number 7 or 6 walmart birdshot and a bit of buck through it and it's been fine. Have had exactly 3 problems where the shell stovepiped but there were scratches on the brass that were like rough chamber maybe or who knows. Anyways that was only during the first hundred rounds. I installed the Charlie's extended mag tube and ghostloading and ripping 9 shells of anything is dope as fuck. I got some snap caps and practice quad loading, not super pleasant but doable. Stock up on shells, shoot it asap to know if you got a good one. Looks like it's a luck of the draw with Monday morning or Friday afternoon guns.
+--- 57850734
+>>57846127
+This is important information
+--- 57850752
+>>57849437
+No dude. Just no. The closest you could say would be if they have a round they know could penetrate whatever the enemy is behind, ie: turn their cover into concealment. That is it.
+--- 57850761
+>>57850587
+Lol
+--- 57850809
+>>57850601
+Ffp is dumb and wasteful for lpvo's in the 1-6 and moreso in the 1-4 because of the size and weight, they're fatter and heavier, plus price penalties more expensive. It's not necessary until you get past 10x which is now mpvo territory. From 1-6 a good reticle and you actually having shot your shit is more than enough to adjust your shots. Also yeah sounds like you're confused as fuck. Watch out for the dunning kreuger drop off.
+--- 57850831
+>>57850682
+>Don't SFP reticules usually not have markings to measure with? And even if there are markings, the markings won't translate directly to the number of clicks of the turrets?
+this is true but you just experiment before hand and know how your optic works. with ffp it holds true regadless of magnification. with sfp it would change depending on magnification so you woull need to know what it was a 3x and what it was at 9x. beacuse it would changes since its sfp. you write that shit down in a logbook or something. prior to the 2000s all optics were like that ffp and sfp
+its not the fault of it being sfp its just being old and unmarked.
+--- 57851048
+Is there anyone who makes a chassis like picrel still? or do I have to go through some jew on GB charging thousands
+captcha: GAY4XM
+--- 57851243
+>>57819602
+Short answer, expensive.
+Long answer, a constant force wouldn't be ideal either. The more rounds you're pushing, the more inertia and friction there is, and the more force you need, so common compression mag springs are in the right direction. They may typically overdo it, but it's cheap and usually can be made to work well, so compression springs are fine.
+On the other hand, weak recoil springs of autoloading 22s (meaning limited force to strip the round from the feed lips) and fully loaded 20+ capacity magazines are not a combination that have a great legacy of "usually can be made to work well", so there's more interest in trying the extra bulk and expense for an alternate approach.
+--- 57851278
+>>57850528
+There are too many CA laws, just claim ignorance
+>>57851048
+https://www.milehighshooting.com/ai-chassis-systems/ That is always going to be pricey
+--- 57851497
+>>57851278
+Something about the newer AICS stocks just doesn't do it for me. The AWM / MK13 Mod 5 just does it for me. I just didn't wanna shell out the 4-5k for an old deployment kit
+--- 57851506
+>>57851497
+Reading this back, I sound autistic as fuck.
+--- 57851746
+>>57849437
+No but yes.
+If you're thinking of it like bouncing a billiard ball off the edge of the table for a precise shot from a new angle, that's not viable at all. Bullets and the surfaces they hit aren't purpose built for making intuitive bounces, they're going to deform in the process, affecting the angle in ways you can't predict, and the remaining energy of the bullet will be weak.
+But if you add up a lot of weak random ricochets, you can eventually expect results in some situations. The story of tony stein and his custom machine gun is that he dumped shitloads of ammo into the windows of pillboxes, small concrete rooms, and successfully relied on ricochets for effect on the enemy inside.
+--- 57851796
+>>57824546
+Retap with bigger hole and screw, or alternatively use a thread repair kit. There are several different types I use at work:
+Heli-coil:
+>easy to install and remove
+>Best general use ones and inserts are cheap.
+>messups/failures don't damage parent material and can be removed easily
+slimsert/rosan insert/rosan slimsert:
+>only usable in soft material
+>Much higher strength then heli-coil
+>Cost more for both tool and inserts
+>Still easy to install (requires limited forgiving counter boring)
+Some kits have a separate counter sink tool while others use a stepped drill bit
+>https://catalog.howmetfasteners.com/category/all-categories-slimserts-reg-
+LOCKRING THREADED INSERTS
+>HIGHEST STRENGTH
+>MASSIVE DICK
+>(for use in soft materials)
+>Requires BIG counter boring to install
+>Counter bore depth matters a lot
+>0.015+ IIRC is bore depth tolerance
+>can only install each size lockring twice
+>https://catalog.howmetfasteners.com/category/ring-locked-inserts
+Bullshit mentions that you should avoid:
+keensert
+>gay and finicky to install, difficult to remove without damaging existing hole
+using gaybweld/excessive locktite/thread locker/anyotherglue
+>I'd hate you for that.
+Using a coil of wire and tapping to the next size
+>Heli-coils work cause they have a rhombus cross-section that fits threads perfectly, but in a pinch using appropriately sized wire isn't the worst option.
+Alternatively you can drill it out bigger, and then
+a.tap for a bigger screw, and then drill into that screw, and then tap the inside of that screw for the correct size
+b.IF you or a friend have access to a lathe, even a small or mini-lathe you can make a threaded bushing to press fit inside the hole.
+If you have any questions, I'll refer you taewoeaweokawodkasnfb wm,.amwmd .wafcv cx
+--- 57851933
+Just got my first gun, a P365XL. Are there any grips or mods I should be looking for? I'm not a huge fan of the stock grip but otherwise very happy with it. Put a 100 rounds through it today. Also, any good videos on fundamentals of shooting and things to practice would be much appreciated. I definitely need all the help I can get there.
+--- 57851942
+Has anyone here directly compared 22lr accuracy between ammos like Federal AM22 (LRN) and Federal 745 (CPHP)?
+Are they both waxed? I imagined CPHP has less wax if any.
+--- 57852256
+>>57849437
+yes and no like>>57851746 said.
+You don't ricochet a bullet expecting it to hit someone, HOWEVER one real world example of
+>For example aiming at a concrete floor
+is what made a small protest turn into
+>ROLLIN' DIRTY TANKS IN THIRTY
+Specifically I am referring to the euro-maiden protests in Ukraine (funny how things worked out) where riot police would fire slugs at concrete floors at an angle to shatter it and cause large amounts of directional concrete fragmentation/spalling that was used repeatably and effectively to destroy and shred peoples knee caps and lower legs. It turned a lethal slug into concrete buck/bird shot that would maim rather than kill. I see no reason why rifles couldn't do it on a smaller scale.
+>p.s.
+Concrete is very low density, and chunks or splatter that breaks off would have a very unlikely chance at any deep penetration of tissue (the lead slug fragments not included). Any small fragments would likely lose significant amount of energy before reaching you and be like a worse sandblaster at a distance. Any big chunks would likely cause crushing/blunt damage rather than normal ballistic damage. small rock sized chunks would probably cause the most damage, as in sharply edged 1-3 inch long, ~1 inch thick or less, and while would not penetrate deeper than their length, would still not make a great time. Pebble sized ones would be equivalent to low power pellet gun with terrible ammo.
+>t. Concrete ballistics enthusiast since 2013
+--- 57852386
+I found this magazine in a car at work. No note of the caliber. It's a Promag but I got bored looking through their catalog. What's it for? Never seen a mag with such a protrusion
+--- 57852406
+>>57852386
+SKS thingmabob
+--- 57852461
+>>57852386
+More specifically, a detachable mag since a stock SKS comes with an internal mag and is fed from the top with stripper clips.
+--- 57852512
+I've been out of the hobby for 2 years. During this time my state banned mags and about to do an AWB.
+What I gone done? Whats the overall state of affairs in the hobby? What the hell happened to the prices of 5.45 and 7.62x39?
+--- 57852519
+>>57824258
+I always wondered how you'd cut them down to a consistent size. Also they might be too brittle for. Most people I see speculating just wanna stuff them in hollow points like maybe 3d print ballistic tips that are also a sabot to seat the penetrator or something.
+--- 57852594
+New suppressor owner here, a week ago I went shooting, came back and cleaned my baffles with an ultrasonic cleaner (manufacturer said it's fine), dried it, and reassembled. Now I opened up the can and have these dark spots all over the baffles, the surface is still smooth but I'm certain I fucked up somewhere. I was pretty sure I dried the baffles thoroughly before I reassembled. What causes this? If it's just cosmetic then it's no big deal but I want to make sure I don't make the same mistake on future cans.
+--- 57852707
+>>57852519
+grinding them with the same tools you use to sharpen them for welding
+>diamond wheel
+At my work there is one that has a block fixed to it with different sized holes (for different sized tungstens) and it has 2 sets, one set of holes is on a moveable angle (for sharpening the point) while the other is at a straight 90 degree angle (useful for blunting your tungsten). I believe it would be simple to sharpen one like normal, then flip it around and "trim" the back side of it flat and to length. If you want to get really consistent you can do above but hold it in a object that has a shallow or repeatable depth, like a pair of needle nose vise grips but you weld on a fixed plate on one side of the top jaw to zero off of and then either settle for whatever size that is or mill and/or file the side that will be facing the tungsten sharpener flat to whatever desired jaw thickness (translates to length of tungsten) you want.
+>all in minecraft of course!
+--- 57852930
+>>57824935
+send anything rare/interesting to the internet archive, or scan it yourself
+--- 57852970
+>>57851933
+>Are there any grips
+if you're comfortable with it, no
+>or mods
+never mess with the mechanics of a carry gun unless absolutely necessary, but a red dot (the holosun 407K is a good option) and light (TLR-7/A and TLR-1 good) are recommended
+>Also, any good videos on fundamentals of shooting
+twink-rex arms has some good content
+https://www.trex-arms.com/category/Pistol/?post_type=video
+--- 57853156
+>>57852970
+Perfect, thanks anon.
+--- 57853181
+>>57850734
+&lt;3
+>>57850536
+Depends on what you want to do with it, if you already have a scoped .22 then I'd personally go with a red dot. Sig is making them really cheap nowadays, I've been pretty happy with my MSR but you can pay a few dollars more and get something like the Romeo 5 which is a little more user friendly. Downside on a takedown rifle is that you have a potential to shift your zero every time you disconnect the barrel. I don't know if that's much of a concern on an A22 in particular but if your trying to shoot a squirrel at 50 yards and your zero is off by a couple inches, it could make a real difference.
+>>57851933
+The Wilson Combat grip mods are great, but the thing that will really improve your capability at this point is a case of 9mm 115 grain fmj range ammo, whatever you can get the cheapest that isn't Ammo Inc (picrel).
+--- 57853260
+>>57851933
+>>57853181
+As for technique,
+In order to hit something with a handgun you need to point the handgun at that thing and then make the gun fire without moving it. This is much easier said than done. Assuming you know how the sights work, the only two things keeping you from shooting accurately are the trigger pull and recoil anticipation (sometimes called flinching).
+For the trigger pull, dry fire. A bunch. More than you're thinking. P365s are dry fire safe (as with most modern handguns). Practice pulling the trigger until you can reliably make it break without the sights moving at all, if you're new to shooting it might take time for the fine control muscles to get developed.
+As for flinching, its pretty common that people will jerk the gun at the last moment as they are firing, pulling it off target (often low and to their non-dominant side). You can load snap caps into your mags at the range to better understand the concept, but the only way to beat it is shooting a lot and making yourself not flinch.
+--- 57853390
+>>57853181
+I'll look into those grips. I've been buying boxes of Blazer 115 FMJ for the range.
+>>57853260
+This is exactly my issue. If I try and shoot quickly (for me) my shots were all low left. When I stopped, exhaled and pulled the trigger deliberately I had much more success. I work from home so I'll probably just practice dry firing all day. That was another thing I couldn't get a straight answer on, whether the dry firing the gun was going to damage it. Again, thank you all.
+--- 57854173
+Any good magnified prism optics for yuro/commie guns with a significant stock drop? Absolute cowitness at minimum, lower if possible.
+--- 57854213
+Good first aid kit or first aid items? I got an amazon gift card, so something non-chinkshit from there would be good
+--- 57856118
+>>57819001 (OP)
+I want a box magazine fed .22lr bolt action with a wooden stock and peep sights to satisfy my particular autistic idiosyncrasies. I'm thinking of getting a savage mk2 and mounting techsights to it. Would there be a better option I'm not considering? As far as I can tell the Savage is on par with those lovely CZs for build quality and accuracy so price is in the MK2's favour.
+Also is it a bad idea to use JB Weld to mount the techsights permanently. I intend this to be an irons only rifle.
+--- 57856517
+>>57856118
+>I want a box magazine fed .22lr bolt action with a wooden stock and peep sights to satisfy my particular autistic idiosyncrasies
+Zastava MP22
+Or might buy biathlon rifle like Anschutz
+--- 57856540
+>>57856517
+Ah, sorry, missed the peep sights
+You can install aftermarket sights tho
+--- 57856573
+>>57854173
+Not sure about stock drop, but try VOMZ PIlad Brevis. I should beware you, VOMZ sights have jumpy quality, some may be good, some break apart just as that. This is determined by assembly quality rather than model flaws.
+And don't buy VOMZ on Aliexpress, Ali sellers put VOMZ brand on typical chink airsoft sights
+--- 57856582
+>>57854173
+Veber Wolf, Dedal Stalker
+--- 57856727
+>>57856517
+>>57856540
+I intend to. I haven't found any factory irons for 22s that aren't either notch and post or Lyman style peep sights. I'm not fond of either. The Zastava is a lovely piece and the Anschutz are well regarded but both are pretty rare and expensive in my neck of the woods. I don't believe tech sight has a model for them (not that I know why they're model specific), and haven't seen other peep sight manufacturers of that style for those rifles. That's why the CZs were the other option I was considering
+--- 57856859
+>>57856118
+>Also is it a bad idea to use JB Weld to mount the techsights permanently. I intend this to be an irons only rifle.
+see >>57851796
+>using gaybweld/excessive locktite/thread locker/anyotherglue
+>>I'd hate you for that.
+locktite and thread locker would be the correct option because those can be removed with heat.
+--- 57857616
+the dumb fucks at discover declined my $30 c&amp;r renewal fee with the atf. They sent the text out and I responded yes it was legit but I don't think the ATF has tried again after it was declined the first time. Are they gonna send my renewal papers back or just send me a letter telling me to pay?
+--- 57857853
+/o/ here, didn't know where to put this. What gun does Slim have?
+--- 57857888
+>>57857853
+AR15, but something seems fake about its barrel
+in car equivalent it is a civic with body mods
+--- 57857929
+>>57857853
+some additional info for a non-/k/ anon
+The front looks so different from what you might consider a standard ar15 because someone switched out the normal hand guard for a quad rail and then left the grippy covers on it (covers rails and is supposed to be for grip, but gets lost/damaged easily and not worth keeping).
+--- 57858026
+>>57819001 (OP)
+Were czech Hedgehogs thick/sturdy/strong enough to stop a 7.92 bullet?
+--- 57858264
+>>57852519
+I know a guy who knows a guy who just 3d printed a sabot for 7,62x39 with a 2.5mm hole to fit the 2.4mm tungsten tip, also possible with the 4mm tips. 2.4mm might be better when drilling the lead bullet and lodging the tungsten inside. 4mm for sabot rounds. All was done in international waters ofc. And to cut and sharpen them you use a grinding wheel as >>57852707 said
+--- 57858287
+>>57821325
+What a weird question.
+--- 57858306
+>>57824258
+>>57824303
+>>57824408
+>APAnon you are forgotten
+--- 57858398
+>>57858306
+I don't have knowledge of this piece of board lore, please explain
+--- 57858555
+>>57819001 (OP)
+easiest way to get Rust-oleum off a gun without damaging its finish?
+--- 57858582
+>>57858555
+cloth. If the finish comes off with a cloth then it was already damaged.
+--- 57858736
+>>57858582
+no, i mean, rust-oleum, like the spray paint
+--- 57858780
+>>57833816
+Are you allowed to go inside a base if you’re just a regular jackoff? Last time I was in Washington there was a Taco Johns inside Lewis-Mcchord but I ended up not going in since I wasn’t sure if I could.
+--- 57858792
+>>57858736
+oh. I though you meant the de-ruster, doesn't help that they sell a wide variety of stuff that could be applied to (ghettod) guns.
+I would need to know the finish in question.
+If it's on a wooden piece, give up.
+>high grit sanding to remove paint is POSSIBLE but aids to actually do.
+If it's on metal, use paint remover or brake cleaner.
+>do this outside
+ If it's on plastic, find out what paint stripper works on said paint but doesn't melt the plastic
+>NO ACETONE ON PLASTIC!
+--- 57858811
+>>57858792
+Ah no worries. It's just my AR-15 I camo'd up like a year ago and got sick of the scheme. Was thinking about using brake cleaner but was worried about it taking the finish off the aluminum, so I wanted to ask just to make sure.
+--- 57858854
+>>57858780
+No, you need a common access card. Most bases will allow you in if you have one even if you are not assigned to that base. The reason is that military bases actually have a lot of supporting civilian jobs that are usually worked by people who are married to active duty personnel. The main one being working at the commissary, which is a tax free grocery store. So people if theoretically questioned on why the have a need to go onto a base that they are not assigned to can say shopping at the commissary which is a legitimate thing that happens. Some bases have food courts with franchises in them, and bigger bases even have a full blown mall. Common to most bases at minimum is at least one B/X (Base exchange) (ranges from gas station mini-mart to small Walmart sized) and one Commissary (day to day necessitys mainly).
+--- 57858856
+>>57858736
+this will do the job perfectly. though be willing to detail strip the gun during/after cause that shit gets everywhere.
+--- 57858885
+>>57858856
+true, will keep in mind! thanks king
+--- 57858899
+>>57858811
+brake cleaner is fine for both anodized and non anodized aluminum. If it's bare metal aluminum it will remove the oxide coating but aluminum self passivates and forms a thin protective oxide film over time.
+--- 57858938
+>>57858398
+It was done already with tungsten scribes.
+--- 57858982
+>>57858899
+Anodizing is an oxide coating on aluminum.
+--- 57859079
+>>57858885
+coat all painted areas liberally, let it sit overnight, then brush it off with a toothbrush or something.
+it expands so it will get in all the cracks and crevices like under the gasblock. so you really need to detail strip afterwards to get rid of all the residue.
+the surface will be unharmed.
+--- 57859144
+Is there any downside to leaving one in the chamber for a pistol in terms of corrosion? It's for CC, but I leave it chambered while I'm at home.
+--- 57859170
+>>57859144
+if it was years theres the possibility of moisture getting in and rust happening ruining the gun but under normal use even if its months its fine. just check that shit occasionally.
+--- 57859199
+>>57858982
+yes. Anodizing is a very thick aluminum oxide coating that traps dyes in it. brake cleaner is very slow at removing aluminum oxide, and it's solvents will evaporate before it makes any significant amount of progress on the outermost layer of oxidation. On regular aluminum the oxide coating is a single layer thick, hence why it is important to mention it. It is also very slow acting on aluminum oxide so it only becomes a problem when left to sit for a while.
+--- 57859227
+>>57859144
+>>57859170
+Galvanic corrosion can happen, though unlikely. just applying a little oil to the chamber and then wiping off excess should be enough to stop it from happening. the oil will evaporate one you fire.
+--- 57859551
+>>57859199
+Care to explain how an organic solvent removes oxides then?
+Only in the gun world does it seem to attack aluminum. Kind of weird considering the amount of aluminum in cars, almost like manufacturers know this and formulate appropriately.
+--- 57860013
+>>57859551
+>Care to explain how an organic solvent removes oxides then?
+Acetone
+>Only in the gun world does it seem to attack aluminum. Kind of weird considering the amount of aluminum in cars, almost like manufacturers know this and formulate appropriately.
+They were retarded and some non chlorinated organic brake cleaners still use acetone
+--- 57860787
+>>57859551
+By the power of niggers
+--- 57860955
+Ibought a berreta 92 x rdo , I like it alot how ever when i try to put a new mag in when the action is open there is always a jam . however when i close the slide , put a mag in and pull the slide back there is never a jam. Am I just operating this gun wrong?
+--- 57860986
+>>57860955
+>when i try to put a new mag in when the action is open there is always a jam .
+how are you releasing the slide to send it forwards?
+how much force are you using slamming the mags in?
+--- 57861016
+>>57860986
+yes I am releasing the slide , its kinda concerning being that berettas are pretty reliable, but if i am just an idiot then thats ok. I could be using too much force , but I tend to baby this gun since its my first
+--- 57861034
+>>57860986
+i misread that , i am using the slide release
+--- 57861050
+>>57861034
+is your thumb rubbing against the slide while you hit the lever?
+--- 57861063
+>>57861050
+i use my thumb to hit the lever
+--- 57861073
+>>57861063
+If you slingshot the slide, do you have this issue?
+--- 57861082
+>>57861063
+so its only the slide release you are sure you arent fatfingering it? if your thumb or other bodypart is slowing down the slide that would explain it.
+if you are sure its not that we move down the checklist of common causes.
+--- 57861255
+>>57836137
+Some people chamber them then manually put the hammers down, which can be dangerous depending on the design for obvious reasons. 12ga hammerless typically aren't stored loaded and certainly aren't drop safe.
+If you don't care for that it's, as >>57836536 points out, for aesthetics only.
+--- 57861517
+>>57861073
+no , slingshotting always works if its what i think it is (putting a mag in when the slide is closed, pulling it back and letting it close)
+ >>57861082
+im not sure what the fatfingering is , i am new to the lingo of /k/ but i dont think i am doing that
+--- 57861524
+>>57861255
+>and certainly aren't drop safe
+That depends entirely on the gun in question. Some have "interceptor sears" which is a fancy word for a drop safety.
+--- 57862180
+>>57861517
+>no , slingshotting always works if its what i think it is (putting a mag in when the slide is closed, pulling it back and letting it close)
+thats not what it is
+sling shotting is pulling the slide back with your left hand then letting it fly forwards.
+no easing it down or any bullshit like that.
+it doesn't matter if the slide was closed or already locked open.
+fatfingers should be self explanatory. you are fat so you hit more than the thing you intended to. like 12 when you only meant to hit 1 on the keyboard.
+if it isnt going into battery when using the slide release you need a new recoil spring. your current one is too weak. this assumes that you arent doing something else retarded like being in the way of the gun, no lube, or extremely dirty.
+--- 57862271
+Are archery threads allowed on /k/?
+--- 57862486
+>>57862271
+you can make one and it will die or be full of bullshit.
+--- 57862637
+I have a Vortex Venum laying around, should I put it in my AKV, Benelli M4 or on my suppressed .22 handgun
+--- 57863471
+>>57862271
+it's /k/ WEAPONS not /K/ GUNS
+weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
+occasionally have bow or cross bow threads.
+No weapon is too old or too small, we will go back to fists and the humble rock. No weapon is too new or too big, whether it be back yard bombs (aka Gigaton nuclear weapons) or space lasers.
+--- 57863634
+I tougt about asking /x/ but I figured you guys might know more about this topic
+how do I get skinwalker gf?
+--- 57863691
+>>57862180
+ok , thank you for telling me this , Ive got dainty fingers so no fatfingering here , so I guess I will try a spring and just better maintenance. Thanks again
+--- 57863787
+>>57862637
+based chiyoposter
+--- 57863858
+Will Czech hedgehogs (specifically the design used at Normandy) stop a 7.92?
+--- 57864135
+>>57860013
+Acetone does nothing to anodizing.
+--- 57864138
+>>57819001 (OP)
+What does this mean? It's my grandfather's ribbons from Korean War.
+--- 57864165
+>>57864135
+>t. retard
+>https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_effect_of_acetone_to_anodized_aluminium_surface
+--- 57864288
+>>57864138
+https://www.uniformribbons.com/
+This site has pictures I will not spoon feed you more.
+--- 57864615
+Is Bad Dragon still a gag for unboxing threads?
+--- 57864635
+>>57863858
+At 500 yards and a compound angle?
+No
+At the muzzle and perpendicular?
+Yes.
+--- 57864641
+>>57864165
+You never bothered to read your link did you?
+--- 57864895
+>>57819001 (OP)
+What magazines can accept 44-40 ammunition? I ask because I would like to use a magazine to reload my six shooter more efficiently.
+--- 57866587
+>>57851497
+>>57851506
+NTA but don't worry anon, I fucking love the old AWM stocks too. I'm biased, of course; it's all old games and movies that I saw those old green AWM/AWPs in that made introduced them to me, sure, but I love the look. Folding or other colors are cool, sure, but the "original" or whatever model it is I like will always be better looking in my head.
+--- 57866602
+>>57852512
+>What the hell happened to the prices of 5.45 and 7.62x39?
+Russian ammo import bans baybee. I do not look forward to the future of x39. I love my SKS. May be brass cases and reloading in my future, and for x39 of all things.
+--- 57866618
+>>57856118
+CZ? I really want to buy one of those silly 26" barrel rifles. And then put a suppressor on top of that.
+--- 57866622
+>>57857853
+>no iron sights at all
+how does he aim???
+--- 57866631
+>>57864615
+I haven't seen that in years. It'd certainly be a welcome sight.
+--- 57867051
+>>57819001 (OP)
+Marlin 336 Classic, Winchester 1873, or 94 for a deer hunting rifle? I have never been hunting before, never had a lever action before, and figured it was a good excuse to get one. Just can't decide at the moment. I like the classic styling on the Winchesters, but the Marlin seems more practical and probably comfortable to shoot.
+--- 57867180
+>>57819001 (OP)
+who makes a good floor jack
+I want to be able to lift high enough to do work on the suspension of my pickup
+--- 57868454
+Are there any good infographics or anything for ink or book-making or especially handmade typewriter inkribbons or printing presses? I'm a moderately successful smut author and artist, and I feel like bespoke pornography would be highly in demand in post-apocalyptic scenario. Like how some people recommend you stock up on honey and mustard and salt to trade.
+--- 57869779
+>>57866631
+It seems the kiddos on /k/ nowadays don't care the culture of the board from years past
+--- 57869895
+>>57867051
+>Marlin seems more practical and probably comfortable to shoot
+Marlin are a slightly better optic host but otherwise they're the same
+Be careful with Marlins as their QC was trash for a good handful of years and there has been problems afterwards too. Take a nicely made winchester 94 and never look back, don't make the same mistake I did.
+--- 57869936
+>>57869779
+I always do a 'gay sex with hats on' tab when I take a screenshot.
+--- 57870450
+>>57869895
+>Take a nicely made winchester 94 and never look back
+2nding this. John Browning's design plus Jap QC autism is a winning combination. The Miroku-made Winchesters have much better fit and finish than the Marlin.
+--- 57870679
+Grappling best martial arts for hazguns?
+What if countering knives?
+--- 57870973
+I went to the range yesterday to shoot my s&amp;w642. I fired 5 rounds of my carry ammunition which all fired fine. However, I bought a box of 50 Norma .38 special training rounds from the range. 6 out of 50 rounds failed to fire. It appeared every one of the FTF rounds had a depression in them so I’m hoping it’s just the shitty range ammo but I’m concerned. Should I be worried about carrying this until I can shoot a different box through it or should I assume it’s just the ammo?
+Second unrelated question, here were the 5 rounds I fired of my carry ammo. Is this acceptable for shooting at 10 yards with a jframe? I should add that when I was using the training ammo I had a bad habit of shooting slightly high and to the right. What can I do to correct this? I shoot left handed for the record.
+--- 57871016
+>>57870679
+The best martial art is the one you train consistently. Grappling especially has a much higher learning curve to become proficient compared to striking, so you should do whatever you’re more interested in. If you want to ground fight, do bjj. If you like throws and standup, do judo or sambo. If you like to do standup without the go (and also be a special snowflake) see if you can find someone who teaches catch wrestling. If you want to do a little of everything, join an mma gym.
+Don’t be afraid to shop around to find what you like either.
+--- 57871329
+>>57868454
+>Are there any good infographics or anything for ink [...] making
+You can make ink out of green Walnut husks. You cut the green "fruit" off and let it oxidize. The finer the better I assume since it lets the air oxidize it faster. Then you put it in water and boil it to concentrate it down. It takes a while and dark brown/black ink would take quite a few walnuts but it'd be doable. Also it's a rather permanent ink; your hands will be black afterwards, kek. Wear gloves. You can "paint" or write (quill and ink or calligraphy pen) with it but you'd be stuck with black/brown tones.
+>or especially handmade typewriter inkribbons
+You might just be able to soak ink ribbons to reuse indefinitely as long as they are not the plastic type (fabric only) but the challenge would be keeping them wet while not getting everything filthy and ink covered.
+--- 57871526
+>>57819001 (OP)
+What are some good QD scope mounts that provides options for offset microdots? I know of the Burris PEPR, using their picatinny ring tops, and of the Unity, are there other options? I like the PEPR solution, it seems super simple and I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't do it.
+--- 57871537
+>>57871526
+forgot pic
+--- 57871608
+Where are the adjustable sights for one of these?
+--- 57872282
+>>57869936
+Remember the /k/lass photos?
+Wonderful times from when we had actual fun
+--- 57872367
+>>57872282
+NTA but I never got in one and I regret it in some strange way. I remember the last one or two devolving into autistic picture size/cropping arguments, leaving out wrongly formatted photos, and multiple "real" or "final" versions by multiple anons when there were disagreements and that was it. What a weird way for those threads to fizzle out.
+--- 57872456
+>>57869895
+>>57870450
+That's what I'll get then, thanks guys.
+--- 57873043
+>>57872367
+I mean, my dumbass was able to make a 200x200 picture for the collage
+Shit ain't hard
+Dude was putting it together, the least everyone could do was format the pictures correctly
+Also Squid
+--- 57873114
+>>57873043
+>my dumbass was able to make a 200x200 picture for the collage
+>Shit ain't hard
+No doubt, but I seem to remember that getting very common in the most recent two threads I remember. Before that I can't remember it. Maybe it was the phonefags, I dunno. Then it just sorta died out after that which was odd to me. Thought it'd come back after the year or two off but it just never did.

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+--- 57824354
+Chinese here. Share with you amerimutts some war stories. Heard from family members or people I know irl.
+--- 57824443
+Grandpa on mother’s side fought Korean War.
+He was arti crew. Don’t know how he survived through America-tier CAS.
+One mission includes”organising lost soldiers”. PVA used to rush alot for outmanoeuvring, long range, mountainous terrain, and on food. It was inevitable that someone would straggling. His unit would gather them and wait for other units to take them back somewhere. Occasionally there would be deserters.
+Grandpa don’t want to talk about that.
+--- 57824566
+The artillery position of another unit get caught by F84. He said they were “plane with big thing on the end of wings” so I guess they were f84.
+Grandpa’s unit came to assist after the attack was over.
+Total hell. They have to find some guns still functional. Remove…human body parts out of artillery pieces. Then took guns back to service.
+The heat was brimstone level. Something would melt and stick together with guns. Have to be removed with tools.
+--- 57824622
+>>57824443
+Artillery crew? Like a mortar team or actual artillery? Because the PVA could only use mortars in the early phase, but then they used actual artillery later on. I think the Battle of Kumsong was like the culmination of Chinese experience with artillery, since they were able to send a shit ton of artillery down at UN positions
+--- 57824638
+He knows someone who fought indians during borders clash decades ago. Generally indians got fucked up by Chinese infantry. But some urban legends left. It’s said that some india guys can shot chinese hmg gunner through the sight on sg43’s shield. With only iron sight brits bolt action. I don’t know if it’s real but I have read accounts on some random partisan silenced a jap bunker by snipe the shooting holes with only a rifle.
+--- 57824681
+>>57824622
+They used real thing. American guns captured from KMT. We used to joke that Chiang Kai Shek ( we call him Jiang Jieshi) actually runs the clandestine logistics department of early PLA.
+--- 57824696
+No something’s wrong. He’s not grandpa. He’s grandpa’s father.
+--- 57824709
+>>57824681
+Lmao that's pretty funny. I'm guessing alot of PVA troops were thankful to your grandfather, artillery was scarce and so were logistics to supply shells. As well as it being a damn scary job with US counter battery and air support. Has he ever spoken about the Japanese invasion?
+--- 57824745
+>>57824709
+My Grandfathers friend was a translator for the Allies in Burma when the Chinese Expeditionary force was sent to fight with the Americans and British against the Japanese. He was sent there because he was the only guy educated enough and who knew english. So it's interesting to hear stories from other Chinese as well about veterans.
+--- 57824794
+Grandpa on father’s side spend university years during cultural revolution.
+I try to explain it simply.
+It’s like early modern Europe.
+CCP is Christianity. Mao is Jesus. Dissens are Muslims. That’s many people know.
+But many people don’t know the christians also divided by catholics or many thing else.
+That’s how gang fight between red guard groups began.
+One gang in university seized the radio room and do mission all day long on top volume.
+Grandpa was on the other gang. They tried to besiege the building and capture the room back.
+They tried to rush in through doorway.
+Defenders throw things. Attackers repulsed.
+Grandpa’s friend had an idea.
+They flipped a basketball pole. Using the H shape base as bow. They cut many bicycle tires to make strings.
+Behold. A siege engine.
+Firing bricks to suppress defenders.
+While assault team rushing in.
+Building captured.
+Top volume didn’t turn off. But changed to another tongue.
+--- 57824909
+>>57824709
+Grandma experienced japs.
+Just as what book said.
+Entire street in her village was literally emptied.
+--- 57825001
+One neighbour old man fought Vietnam. They experienced the horrific people’s war themselves.
+ Soldier helps a Vietnam granny.
+Granny hugged her help.
+Then took out a triggered grenade.
+Partisans attacking logistics convoys everywhere.
+Poisonous bamboo spike traps.
+Soldiers had to put steel plate in boots.
+But on real battle Vietnam was shit. At least china arti was batter.
+--- 57825030
+>>57824443
+cool, my grand dad on my mom's side was a tank crew member, he remembers there being russians on the ground in Best korea
+--- 57825062
+Grandpa’s family used to work as servant in the house of a KMT officer. He was a division commander of Fu Zuoyi’s clan. Maybe not Fu’s army but be one division in Beijing area. His family name is Zhang and he had many pet snakes.
+Xinbaoan, a city near Beijing. Besieged by PLA.
+That division went for enforcement.
+Ambushed halfway. Typical PLA tactics.
+Commander ran back home that night. Covered with mud and blood.
+He flied Taiwan a few days later.
+--- 57825155
+>>57824709
+Grandma has a older brother and a older sister. And many younger siblings.
+Many of them died during the famine of You Know When. Only she and her older brother survived.
+Japs attacked the village on the same day her mother’s giving birth to another sister.
+One soldier rushed into house.
+Older sister points the birth to soldier.
+That Japanese lad just turned away.
+I sincerely hope that jap survived the war.
+--- 57825250
+>>57825155
+Was your grandma's family in the north like Shanxi?
+--- 57825269
+>>57825001
+Yeah the battles during 1979 were terrible for everyone involved, I think the Battle of Cao Bang was the worst meatgrinder of the war. Vietnamese were very skillful with ATGMs and RPGs so Chinese tanks were picked off alot
+--- 57825324
+>>57825269
+The use of grenade launchers(m79in this case) and the importance of issuing helmets. That war actually taught china alot.
+--- 57825360
+>>57825001
+why was Chinese artillery better?
+--- 57825362
+>>57825269
+I watched a Vietnam film on YouTube recently. It’s funny how films of commie countries portrayed their enemies in exactly the same way.
+--- 57825377
+>>57825360
+Simple answer. China has more.
+But it’s true that Vietnam has soviet 130mm but china not.
+--- 57825411
+>>57824638
+>With only iron sight brits bolt action
+Completely possible for a trained rifleman as far back at the 1800s
+>>57824794
+>a basketball pole.
+>Behold. A siege engine.
+>Firing bricks to suppress defenders.
+awesome. pour one out for Gramps next time you open the baizhu
+--- 57825488
+>>57825411
+Red guard gang fight is not something to be proud of.
+In Many places the fightings are bloody. Many people died just for argument on who is Maoist canon.
+--- 57825519
+>>57825250
+Yes. In central plain.
+--- 57825746
+>>57825519
+Did your grandfather defect to the PLA during the Civil War or did he only join during the Korean War?
+--- 57825805
+>>57824794
+>Top volume didn’t turn off. But changed to another tongue.
+Revolutions, gentlemen.
+--- 57825870
+>>57825488
+>Many people died just for argument on who is Maoist canon.
+Damn that's fucked, got to admire the dedication though
+--- 57825903
+Ya/Herb.
+Get dunk on you yellownigger. You'll never be human.
+--- 57826474
+>>57825488
+On /k/ we do not care why men fight, only how they fight. War is eternal, glory is elusive.
+>07 Grampa Wang
+--- 57826485
+>>57825870
+Boy have I got something to show you and it's called "1000 years of religious wars in Europe"
+--- 57826594
+>>57824354 (OP)
+Do you still live in China?
+--- 57828734
+bump for GMT
+OP good thread
+--- 57831467
+>>57825746
+He’s too young for fighting japs. I think he just joined in late 40s and only fought the Korean War.
+He stayed in NK for a few years and then went back home to return civvie life. That’s when he met grandma.
+I have no chance to ask now. He passed away a few years ago.
+--- 57831486
+>>57826594
+Currently studying in UK. family still in China.
+--- 57831535
+>>57825870
+In some place gang fights involved rifle, tank, gunboats. It was relatively peaceful in Beijing. Fighters only use bayonets stolen from PLA.
+In Sichuan a gang removed another gang and many many civvies with ZPU. Mao thought things are out of control. PLA was ordered to stop them. Then gang fights stopped. Everyone turn to dissents.
+--- 57831582
+In old times the soviet nuke threat was real. So most “politically entrusted populations” had militia training. My dad has a mate received training for 37mm 61K in late 80s.
+Amerimutts literally shocked everyone how they fucked iraq.
+“You’re gonna go fighting apache and a10 don’t you?”
+Mate smile like a mobik just received draft.
+--- 57831720
+One current classmate is from Taiwan.
+I might be thought autistic if they find I know huge amount of ROC military lore.
+We all know how life would be once under commie rule so that's not a question.
+But I do think ROCA would not stand a chance when the invasion commenced. Even if US intervention is real but that would not rise chance to 50/50.
+Huge loss of life will be on both sides. Like typical chinese civil war, especially when one side is crazy.
+I cannot imagine how huge cities would be like during the war. I cannot also imagine how partisans would do after the war.
+--- 57831832
+>>57831535
+>ZPU
+holy shit
+--- 57831856
+>>57831720
+Interest in /k stuff is pretty common so he could be a potential friend, even if you're from the enemy's side.
+Interesting stories. Thanks for sharing.
+--- 57831895
+Thank you for this thread friend. Interesting read
+--- 57831967
+>>57824354 (OP)
+why chinks be calling american mutts while they are mutts themselves?
+--- 57832016
+>>57831967
+why you amerimutt call chinese chinks while you are mutt yourself
+--- 57832032
+>>57824794
+Based these stories rule
+--- 57832045
+>>57831856
+not he, she.
+that's why.
+I don't want one more person think I'm chrischan lite.
+though they all don't know cwc lore as well.
+--- 57832082
+>>57831582
+The stuff I’ve read about militias was nuts. They didn’t just give them rifles but mortars, anti air, heavy machine guns, some trucks…
+--- 57832094
+>>57832045
+>she
+this is you
+--- 57832102
+Anyone play Arma3?
+I'm ElderLZ on steam.
+It's bizarre how Arma "predicts" what happened now.(actually arma just recreated what happened in Moldova I think).
+But the only thing different is CDF evoved into arma3 while russians remained in flashpoint.
+--- 57832117
+>>57832094
+wtf is this?
+--- 57832147
+>>57832117
+the direct result of the one child policy
+--- 57832159
+>>57832102
+I kinda envy you, I’d kill to be able to study modern Chinese doctrine and philosophy but I’m a monolingual cucked by translations. I’m a bit away of systems confrontation warfare and tianxia. Is tianxia an idea people discuss or take seriously?
+--- 57832196
+>>57832082
+In the old times militias were everywhere. Every village has militia, mostly typical light infantry. Every state-run factory has militia.
+They were on defensive or aux role. aa, at, trucks, like you said.
+The most of them were light infantry with rifle, mortar, zpu and rpg2.
+Some village militia on south east also run some costal defence or patrol.
+They gave Taiwan recon some hard lessons.
+--- 57832229
+>>57832082
+By the way. In 80-90s, public security is shit, police were too few. Many criminals buy or thief guns from militia in cities. That's partilly why the militia thing was cut around the same time.
+--- 57832254
+>>57832196
+Yeah I watched How Yukon Moved the Mountains, I saw some of the costal milita drills. Fascinating stuff.
+--- 57832320
+>>57832159
+Philosophically I think Tianxia may means the entire known world. For a long time the known world didn't change. Siberia-south china sea-Xiyu-Yellow Sea.
+Tianxia isn't talk seriously I think.
+Old people in my family used to take abit taoism. Some read Laozi's book and some practice Qigong.
+(Normal Qigong, NOT the human combustion one!!!!!!!!!!!!)
+--- 57832352
+>>57824354 (OP)
+--- 57832371
+>>57832352
+--- 57832393
+>>57832371
+and thats all i have in my "fuck china" folder besides a pic of Douglass MacArthur and a carrier with a ramp, because i refuse to put forth the mental wherewithal to expand it.
+--- 57832437
+>>57832371
+These're some old logical fallacies and shit thoughts. Everyone hates that. I think they're dying, though on a slow speed.
+What do you mean by this?
+--- 57832969
+>>57832147
+I never though the things in that pic can be together in one pic.
+--- 57832986
+>>57831832
+Puts the whole "this is just like the cultural revolution" stuff you hear about protests in perspective.
+>>57832229
+I've also heard that crime was high in the 80s.
+>>57832159
+Interesting book here:
+https://community.apan.org/wg/tradoc-g2/fmso/p/fmso-bookshelf
+--- 57833084
+>>57832986
+>>57831832
+The city is Chongqing. There's a lot factories for river gunboat, so as to weapons for gunboats.
+Here are accounts:
+August 1 1967. One group fortified a school building. The other gruop took control a factory of naval AA gun. They took out tens of ZPU4 and DshK out and shoot the building.
+August 5 1967. One group tried to human wave a hill captured by another group. Defencing group use 20 to 30 people to lift a ZPU onto the top of that hill. You know what happened next.
+--- 57833111
+>>57831486
+Where and what in the Uk are you studying?
+--- 57833138
+>>57832986
+Yes. Crime was crazy in 80-90. Even in Beijing. With many guns came from militia weapon depots.
+Chinese has no SWAT then, only regular police with type 54(Chinese TT) or type 64(Chinese PPK).
+When my father was at my age there were rumors of a guy with a stole 81-1 fleed somewhere to Beijing. People were in panic for months then.
+--- 57833149
+>>57833111
+Studying urban planning. In scapa flow.
+--- 57833172
+>>57833149
+>>>57832986
+Based, I do History in London. I have a lot of Chinks with me and the guys are absolute lads, the girls are a little bit difficult but I enjoy you guys a lot.
+It really really surprises me how Anti - CCP a lot of them (all I spoke with) are - like saying Xi and his party are actually damaging to China in the long and middle term and how they like democracy here.
+Captcha: WAR X2A
+--- 57833205
+>>57833172
+haha.
+I always think the way to fuck up nationalism is to know a person from other country in person.
+Chinese hate west, west hate chinese, that's what ccp want most.
+--- 57833233
+>>57833172
+don't feel bizarre when some of them turn mute when you talk politic with them. That's what we're "trained" to do.
+I don't have many chinese around me. Most of them are from south china. No north guy like me. Others are hk or taiwan.
+--- 57833327
+>>57833233
+I try to avoid inner chinese politics as much as possible, but they are huge pacific war nerds and we bond a lot about that and other historic engagements between china, japan and other countries.
+I actually think that we westerner are way more cucked by the CCP than the chinese here. I said something in class in regard to HK and Gibralta and the Falklands being neighbors to "evil" neighbors in the 1960-2000 (Francoist Spain, Maoist China and the Argies) and my prof actually told me I should refrain from such generalisations specifically in regard to the Chinese students in class as they are from the CCP.
+Interestingly enough my friends from the mainland basically agreed with me, that the chinese regime was/is bad and that they do not understand our lecturer here.
+--- 57833421
+best thread on this board in a while
+You play any Squad, OP?
+--- 57833425
+>>57833233
+nta, but whats the north/south chinese divide actually like? I hear it mentioned occasionally, but only briefly
+--- 57833497
+>>57833425
+There's 1,700 km between Hebei and Guangdong. Nearly the same between Texas and Virginia. We use the same Mandarin and that's all. A lot of differences in many things.
+--- 57833504
+>>57833421
+It's not as huge as chinese meme says. But it exists.
+--- 57833538
+>>57833421
+sorry I reply to the wrong person.
+I don't play squad.
+FPS. too nervous. My heart beat as fuck when I tried COD for the first time in 2015.
+RTS. too boring. I play Red alert 2&amp;3 for more than 10 years.
+So I choose Arma in between.
+--- 57833575
+Thanks for these stories chinanon.
+--- 57833733
+Dear asdfg, I have an unrelated question. To us it seems comical or unbelievable that, during the Red Guards period, people would worship mango fruit after Mao received one from Pakistan. How are events like that regarded today in the public consciousness?
+--- 57833859
+>>57832016
+Because racism is 4chan culture.
+--- 57833921
+>>57824354 (OP)
+How is life in China these days? Are there still lock downs or is that pretty much over?
+--- 57833930
+China anon have you read the three body problem? Thats the only chinese thing ive interacted with recently beside chinese tiktoks
+--- 57834063
+>>57833859
+>>57833859
+You have right to racism and others also have right to racism you.
+That's my favourite part of 4chan.
+Unlike some place irl, where only one group have right to racism others and when others racism back they're labelled morally wrong for racism.
+--- 57834077
+why did the PLA gain so much ground in Korea but get stopped in Vietnam?
+--- 57834117
+>>57833921
+I don't know.
+My family says they're fine. Lockdown happened before and after I left. Chaos for supply commenced in the first few days and then things back to normal.
+My grandma had lung cancer once and she caught covid. She's fine. It's a miracle.
+Old people're vulnerable so once I get back this summer I would stay home for a week before go to see granpa and grandma.
+This only applied to Beijing. I don't know how people in other cities doing. You guys out of firewall may know this better than me.
+--- 57834129
+thank you for your stories, friend
+peace and fortune upon you and your family + friends
+--- 57834216
+>>57834077
+I think these are different case.
+I don't think China have thought of gaining vast land in Vietnam. Their only goal was to make Vietnam draw back their focus from elsewhere. One opinion is Vietnam want to be Gadaffi of Indochina and China attacked to stop that, by forcing Vietnam to remain moblised in north.
+When China got back they did many demolition to interrupt Vietnam economy. Maybe that's one point.
+--- 57834313
+>>57834117
+What part of Beijing does your family live? Is it true that the bars at Sanlitun are gone?
+--- 57834372
+>>57834313
+None of us go for bars even before covid.
+One of my highschool mate remains posting her bar safari on wechat everyday so I guess the bars are still there.
+--- 57834417
+>>57834313
+Sanlitun, this name has story.
+Around a week before Christmas eve of 2014 or 2015 someone said on the internet that Uyghur Separatists were planning an attack in Sanlitun against foreigners on Christmas eve.
+The rumors gone viral on the internet that week.
+Police even arrested that retard to disarm the storm of public panic.
+--- 57834472
+>>57824696
+There are some rather old Anons....
+--- 57834490
+>>57824794
+Very fucking cool.
+--- 57834529
+>>57834063
+This. Morals and rules are gay. Let us fight!
+>>57833930
+A friend loaned that book to me at a mining camp and I had no idea what to expect. It was really good. Highly recommended.
+Thank you for your stories OP.
+--- 57834651
+>>57833930
+>>57834529
+I only did read the book version around 2016. Then I read some other books by him.
+I don't read alot scifi books so it's hard to compare.
+Liu's books are cold I think.
+Inhumane somehow.
+He said the topic he discuss is how human would behave under"extrem conditions".
+If you want to find how Chinese massing people thinking nowadays on how society and world politic truely works, go for Liu's books.
+I don't think what he writes are scifi. They're realism under a highly censored environment.
+If I can choose a future to live. I would go for Startrek than Liu's future.
+--- 57834671
+>>57834417
+>Sanlitun
+so you're like Chinese aristrocrats?
+--- 57834680
+>>57834671
+What?
+--- 57834702
+>>57833930
+>>57834529
+One more suggesstion.
+Go for books, not movies. Book are Liu's thought, movies are CCP's.
+--- 57834747
+Here is a urban legend.
+I met one guy on a chinese site. He said his granpa who worked in a Steel Factory in Beijing actually saw a few Panther tanks. Soviets sold them to china for wasted steel.
+He thought his grandpa was talking about T34 or 3485 or even M41 so he showed him different pics.
+Old anon pointed Panzer V and said that was it.
+--- 57834875
+>>57834651
+I agree with you, Liu writes humans from a very detached perspective, the most “ human” feeling character in 3 body is detective Shi. Im glad you like the books and find them an accurate presentation of chinese thought and opinion. Im very curious to know more about the average chinese persons thinking and way of life, its a shame it seems like the US is ramping up aggression towards your country, the government might suck but so does ours.
+--- 57835373
+>>57834216
+i would imagine it also has something to do with how the locals felt as well, north korean opinion probably ranged from greeting them as saviours to neutral while the vietnamese had grandmas blowing themselves up with grenades to kill chinese troops if what anon >>57825001 said is true which makes things way harder, also different geography probably played a role along with vietnams many years of fighting on paper stronger opponents
+--- 57835978
+>>57833425
+Northerners eat more and are chads, souferners are poofs.
+--- 57836571
+>>57835978
+Maoists mainly concentrate their fire on Beijing people like me and Southeast people- ironically, most of my friends. They think Beijing people are enablers(sorry for using christory word lmao) and southeast people are people who gain economical benefits in Reformation.
+--- 57836688
+>>57833327
+I think calling things evil is emotional language and your professor was right for calling you out on it. Use better words.
+Also if they're not careful they lose Chinese gibs as well as the Chinese there end up being heavily questioned and less likely to have a good life when they go home.
+I see why they do it for the students, but not letting students discuss it at least is pretty shit.
+--- 57836867
+>>57824638
+Old tribals in the subcontinents are natural born sharpshooters and still are.
+I've seen 9yr Olds plinking needles with .22 from far away.
+That's why Pakistan has a hard time quelling insurgencies in balochistan. They get fragged from miles away.
+--- 57839044
+My ex-gf from high school had a grandfather that fought in Korea.
+I was doing a program with a local congressman and he had us interview a veteran and write their story.
+He was a badass, was a Marine, was there throughout most of their tactical retreat, killed a few commies, survived a human wave attack, managed to capture an enemy soldier. Got sent home after his left leg got blown off below the knee. Got married and had a on of kids. I was honored to have deflowered his granddaughter.
+I was told after that I was the only person he had shared that much of his war experience with.
+The interview is preserved in the US National Archives. Not that anyone will read it probably, but it's cool that something I wrote is there.
+--- 57839063
+>>57834063
+Fair enough slanteye
+--- 57840327
+>>57836688
+In a lot of countries there are unofficial Chinese cop shops that are therer to look over the Chinese ex-pats, they will just bodysnatch you if they think you are fucking up in your fancy gwailo school
+--- 57840427
+>>57824354 (OP)
+1- Is it true Mao was about to invade Taiwan when Best Korea chimped out and attacked South Korea, meaning that Mao had to take his army to help Best Korea and they lost too much soldiers and material so the Taiwan invasion had to be postponed?
+2- Have you seen the American perspective of the war (meaning how the war is portrayed and talked about)?
+3- Is the Korean War talked about a lot in China?
+4- Is it true that one of the reason the modern CCP leadership is so paranoid about control is because they had their formative years in the Cultural Revolution and don't want something like that happening again?
+--- 57841410
+>>57824354 (OP)
+What secret code word should I shout to the other line when I get drafted and sent to the front in mainland for ww3 that will prevent Chinese soldiers from shooting at me?
+--- 57841480
+>>57841410
+台湾不是中国的。香港也不是中国的。钓鱼岛永远是日本的。Say these magic words to get free cigs and baijiu
+--- 57841539
+Old fag here. Mother in law was in PLA. Better than starving, as military at least got food.
+--- 57841590
+On a different note, got absolutely ripped on PLA booze one night..
+--- 57841625
+>>57841480
+--- 57841719
+>>57841590
+China is an alcoholic's paradise. You can get a gallon of 56% gaijin for $5
+--- 57841789
+>>57841539
+Throughout human history this has been a constant theme. You get treated like a dog and you may die tomorrow, but at least you can eat buns
+--- 57841871
+>>57841719
+>>57841590
+Meant to say baijiu don't know why it got changed to gaijin
+--- 57841902
+>>57841789
+>>57841539
+One of the interesting things I’ve noticed about the (pre-deng) PLA is that they didn’t seem to have endemic sexual abuse of the women in their ranks. It certainly seems there was some, certainly during the early civil war before the Japanese invasion, but not nearly as much as one might expect in what was essentially a mainly-peasant army that was frequently starving, doing dangerous guerrilla warfare, sabotage, etc.
+Obvious sexual assaults did happen though or mao wouldn’t have put out a pamphlet on military discipline and conduct that including, alongside “don’t loot,” “please don’t rape women, people will hate us.”
+*I as pre-deng because I am much more ignorant of the post-cultural-revolution era of PLA history
+--- 57841987
+>>57841902
+I think the pre-Deng PLA really drank the kool-aid. Alot of the old people and boomers I've met seem to really think the party takes their interests to heart
+--- 57842018
+>>57841987
+It was the same in the USSR. even tho they had to wait in line to buy toilet paper in the 80s, boomer Russians after 1992 often cried for the Great Sovier State to help them instead of democracy
+--- 57842025
+>>57825030
+Were they really far behind lines? I find it hard to believe the soviets would risk losing one of theirs and have the corpse be unretrievable
+--- 57842174
+>>57834077
+The military that went into North Korea had been seasoned by ~20 years of warlords and an invasion by the Japanese. Many were also schooled and trained by advisors from the Allies, both American and Soviet, in order to help with the South China and Burma Campaigns.
+The military that went into Vietnam was mostly party loyalist which had went through twenty years of famine, poverty, and near-Civil War conditions during the Cultural Revolution.
+It also doesn't help that when they went into Vietnam, they were going up against a military that had been seasoned for the last thirty years in irregular jungle and urban warfare, and was also on a war footing thanks to Cambodia and Laos going full retard with their own cults of personality.
+Basically, China had to neuter its military post-Mao in order to prevent a 2nd Cultural Revolution. Chinanon might have to correct me, but this is also why the PRC adopted harsh anti-gun legislation in comparison to the years of the Red Guard, where most school students were kitted with WW2 surplus. By the time Mao died, several factions were already preparing for a 2nd Cultural Revolution, with hardliners threatening to go Khmer Rogue mode.
+By the way if any anons want to go "WTF" look up the Shanghai People Commune, and the whole Wuhan Incident. Cultural Revolution almost broke into Civil War several times.
+--- 57842226
+Damn this is an interesting thread. It's not often we get to hear from somebody from mainland China. My grandfather lost his leg to a German mine in the battle of the bulge so I guess that makes me the old anon
+--- 57842589
+larper can't even speak chinese
+--- 57842640
+>>57842174
+The Shanghai people’s commune was pretty intense yeah. Sort of like a Paris Commune inside of an existing civil strife situation. So chaotic even the hardliners wanted it done with.
+--- 57842682
+The fact that people type out all these posts makes me feel great because I don't read them
+--- 57842713
+>>57842682
+Good on you, anon. Reading's for fags
+--- 57842738
+>>57834472
+I'm on the cusp of still being young enough to be called 'young' and my grandfather fought in WWII. Perfectly believable.
+--- 57842841
+>>57833084
+And they were just citizen gangs? And they did all this because they believed in communism that strongly? I know little about China but that sounds crazy.
+--- 57842889
+>>57842226
+My dad's aunt's husband got knee capped in the Ardennes when the Germans counter attacked. He had to play dead overnight and hide under another American body to avoid detection. He pulled the pin on a grenade when he thought they were about go get him, but they didn't noticed him and he realized how difficult it is to put the pin back in in the dark.
+Later he made a friend who was also in the Ardennes and got his knee fucked up on the same leg, but the dude was on the German side back then.
+--- 57842989
+>>57842841
+Yes. Read literally any account of the cultural revolution. I know it sounds crazy but kids aged 13-22, typically aged about 15 or 16, were constantly fighting each other. Usually it was on the level of street gangs with sticks - sort of imagine the peak of post-trump maga v antifa street brawls but happening literally everywhere and somewhat encouraged by the government. Every building was covered by huge posters which loudly proclaimed so and so was a revisionist. Universities, high schools (which iirc started about year 7 like in the UK), apartment blocks and factories were divided into factions who debated, carried out propaganda campaigns and frequently got into brawls. Sometimes people were beaten to death, hung, etc. Three Body Problem includes a scene of a man being beaten to death for espousing General Relativity - it’s framed as a going-to-far by over enthusiastic youth during a party show trial, but that sort of thing did happen, it’s not at all exaggerated.
+And that’s without guns. Local militias were armed, and I mean proper militias properly armed, especially with light field artillery and anti aircraft guns. They drilled frequently and enthusiastically because of quite reasonable fears of US/USSR invasions, but also to be able to defeat the PLA if they became “reactionary.”
+When those got involved it turned into small scale warfare and armed skirmishes.
+While fictionalised you should try to read the three body problem excerpts about the cultural revolution specifically because it will give you real insight into what that was like. 15 year olds gunning each other down over the specific wording of pamphlets. The CCP allows such writings because the official party line is essentially that it was a mistake/sabotage by far-left radicals in the party, and ending the cultural revolution and putting those supposed leaders of the violence on trial was how the Deng government cemented their legitimacy.
+--- 57843003
+>>57842989
+>>57842841
+Meanwhile the tiananmen square protests were carried out against the Deng government, by a combination of factions most notably pro-western democracy forces and pro-maoist/pro-cultural-Revolution forces (but it was more complicated than that). The massacre was the steel heel of the Deng government and PLA demonstrating that there would be no second cultural Revolution nor would there be any sort of pivot to liberal democracy.
+Obviously the successors of Deng want to look like a peaceful continuation of the legacy of ending internal strife and bringing about prosperity after the “mistakes” of the cultural revolution and Great Leap Forward, and the Tiananmen Square stuff tarnishes that narrative
+--- 57843047
+>>57842989
+>>57843003
+How did they come to be that crazed over communist writing minutiae? It wasn't like that in the soviet union's early days, was it?
+--- 57843067
+>>57834671
+Are you trying to dox chinkanon or something?
+--- 57843092
+>>57843067
+Sanlitun is a district where there's lots of diplomat housing. The heavy diplomat presence led to people setting up bars in the area with many concentrated on an unpaved road that everyone simply referred to as "dirty bar street". Notable recent events there are a ricecel stabbing a Chinese woman to death in front of her French boyfriend and a lady recording a crappy sex video at the Uniqlo store. Asking if he hangs out there won't reveal his identity.
+--- 57843097
+>>57843092
+>Notable recent events there are a ricecel stabbing a Chinese woman to death in front of her French boyfriend
+based
+--- 57843103
+>>57843047
+>It wasn't like that in the soviet union's early days, was it?
+Nigger are you fucking kidding? Russians of every commie and other political stripe killed each other in droves. The big meta story of the Russian revolutions and civil wars was that the various communist and authoritarian factions sucked at winning battles and wars, but kept winning the peaces, while the anarchist factions like the black guard were ridiculously combat effective but insanely easy to slaughter and disperse with secret police etc once the battle was over.
+--- 57843119
+>>57843103
+The way it's always been explained to me was after the revolution there wasn't actually much in the way of street violence, and all the killings were either quiet political assassinations or regular old gulag death camps. Government-sanctioned street gangs beating and sometimes killing eachother seems like it's several levels above that.
+--- 57843144
+>>57843119
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_uprisings_against_the_Bolsheviks
+--- 57843201
+>>57843047
+It’s kind of a complicated question but
+>mao himself
+>memories of the civil war
+>memories of the Japanese invasion and the Korean campaign
+Mao, it cannot be stressed enough, encouraged freedom of criticism to an absurd degree. I know this might some strange to a western reader but there’s a logic to it. Think of it as a combination of social mobiliazation, civic engagement, and kind of a bottom up censorship. Random people were encouraged to attack party officials (usually not physically) for failing to do their jobs and follow mao’s policies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin,_Criticize_Confucius
+It’s hard to talk about concisely but here we go - after stalin’s death mao was shocked by the Krushevite changes and the 180 on the cult of Stalin. It became apparent to mao that krushev had been preparing for such a coup and “shift to revisionism” for years before Stalin’s death. This lead to the sinno Soviet split. But at home mao began to fear a similar coup, believing it would originate in the party, which was actually huge and unwieldy and he never had anything like full control over (how could he given china’s size and the pre-modern state of infrastructure), and backed by the PLA. So Mao essentially tried to use the masses to control the party from below for him, through semi-organized and semi-directed campaigns of criticism and removal of party officials (sometimes violently) and trying desperately to keep the PLA from being independent
+Now, criticism from below was sort of mythologized in the party. During the civil war, retarded leadership were retards and were taking retatded advice from retarded Soviet advisors. This nearly wiped out the party and only didn’t because mao said “this is retarded we’re going north.”
+Why was it so bloody? Because of the lessons of Japan and Korea, and because of fears of the PLA and the USSR. The Chinese took a rifle behind every blade of grass seriously (cont)
+--- 57843208
+>>57843047
+>>57843201
+ mao believed that an armed, organized populace (loyal to him) was necessary to protect against internal coups and external invasion. So random fuck off villages were organized into platoon or company sized militias with some old military hardware, including mortars, trucks, anti air guns etc. these drilled quite a lot. You had costal militas, factories organized into political study groups that doubled as milita platoons, etc etc etc etc. these were explicitly trained to be wary for both internal and external threats
+After the sinno Soviet split the Chinese people were primed with endless essays, articles, speeches about the dangers of revisionism, the importance of adhering to the revolutionary path and maozedongthought, the dangers of party officials trying to turn the state against socialism and maoism and to fascism (which the Chinese would associate with the Japanese invasion of China). Mao has been telling them this is exactly what happened in the USSR, who are now threatening china with nuclear annihilation and denying them machinery which can lift them out of poverty, trying to destroy socialism.
+So mao says
+>we need to organize struggle at all levels of society to protect against revisionism!
+And they take it to heart. You know American culture warriors telling you that children’s cartoons are going to destroy America? Notice how American high schoolers get extremely emotional about either things being too woke or not woke enough? That was what China was like, but actively encouraged by the head of state and most admired man in the countr, and with a similar proliferation of guns but with less small arms and more military surplus. And with government organized student groups on the level of JROTC but with more political debates. They literally had internecine brawls over opera and poems, debates about specific pieces of opera were often centrepieces of debates and struggles in Beijing amongst both party officials and lay people.
+--- 57843234
+>>57843208
+In short - imagine your typical teenager who is way too into politics. Now imagine their idol has told them they have to struggle against internal enemies or there country is doomed and there will be mass death. Imagine he encourages them to form groups and engage in struggle personally, tells them they’re the future of their civilisation. Imagine now that they’re given fucking guns and told to root out corrupt municipal figures and people with the wrong beliefs who will destroy America.
+Imagine if Trump went on /pol/ in 2018 and told them that if they started attacking commies in the street he would be sure they were protected from prosecution.
+--- 57843265
+>>57843201
+>>57843208
+>>57843234
+>brawls over opera and poems
+Wow, how strange, and, well, foreign. I honestly don't think I can actually truly imagine something like what you described taking place in the US, as with your Trump example. Interesting stuff anon, thank you.
+>>57843144
+Look how shit-tier and uninteresting this response is in comparison. How embarrassing for that anon.
+--- 57843873
+>>57824354 (OP)
+thank you for comfy thread china anon
+--- 57844774
+>>57843097
+I forgot to mention he did it with a katana
+--- 57844839
+>>57841590
+This thing has a reason.
+In wild cold war era chinese light infantry need something that can do both in medical and hydrate way.
+When the army became motorised the drinking cult just die out.
+PLA prohibited drinking alcohol many years ago.
+--- 57844883
+>>57842841
+It is crazy indeed.
+In People’s War theory there is no noncombatant. Commies around the world have taken advantage in it for more than 100 years.
+Most people taking part in fighting received military training. At least the training about how to shoot sks and using grenade.
+That city also has factories of ordnance so it’s easy to get arms.
+--- 57844948
+>>57843234
+Dude are you Chinese?
+中国人?
+--- 57844959
+I didn't expect this thread to survive this long...
+--- 57844993
+>>57825030
+Do you know where he was trained? My grandfather was a tank driver then commander under Patton in WW2 with three bronze stars. When Korea started he was brought back as an instructor in Virginia.
+--- 57845165
+>>57832117
+Severe mental illness
+>>57832147
+It could be diaspora
+>>57832969
+Have you seen non-4chan social media? It's full of LGBTQ commies that are pro-China, pro-Russia, pro-Iran, pro-Palestian and basically full on tankie. They literally root for countries and leaders that would make their lives miserable if not kill them.
+--- 57845879
+>>57845165
+Tankies shall be treated in the way how tankies would like to treat dissents. It's mirror fairness.
+--- 57846791
+>>57825488
+How did the cultural revolution gangs realte with central and local authorities? As far as I am aware, things like public trials and struggle sessions were official, unlike the gang fights. Were the administrative revolutionaries above reproach from any gang, or was it a struggle of which gang were the regional officials?
+--- 57846812
+>>57843265
+>>brawls over opera and poems
+>Wow, how strange, and, well, foreign. I honestly don't think I can actually truly imagine something like what you described taking place in the US
+I can only assume you're joking
+>>57843208
+>>57843201
+>>57842989
+I remember a book with with a white horse on the cover about this; can't remember the name. was written well before Red Scarf Girl, anyway absolutely nightmarish stuff yeah
+thanks for butin to a quality thread
+--- 57846882
+>>57846791
+there were a lot of sudden and not-arbitrary promotions and demotions, a cadre leader would accuse the local boss of capitalism or revisionism and the higher up bosses would either promote him to local party boss after he's taken out he local boss in some hideous manner, or they would gin up another cadre across town to oppose them.
+violence from the street, middle ranks in turmoil, orders from the top.
+bog-standard populist-authoriatrian playbook, straight from the French Revolution right on through Hitler and etc
+--- 57846912
+>>57842589
+of course its a larp. let people enjoy things, bigot.
+--- 57848142
+>>57846882
+>>57846791
+The thought behind it is that they would eventually revert to capitalism as things calm down, heirarchies reappear, society gets orderly again, and the only way to prevent that would be continuous revolution by constantly encouraging whoever was on the bottom to keep attacking anyone who gets higher than them. This is why ancom is worse than stalinism. The only way to make society be moneyless heirarchyless grugs is to have them constantly kill eachother and cut down any grug that gets too high
+--- 57848368
+Why? Just, why?
+--- 57848787
+>>57844948
+Not him but Maoist China is a topic a lot of non-Chinese can and do put the actual intellectual effort into understanding beyond pop-history bites and narrative-driven (from either end) portrayals.
+It does not extend the other direction from my interactions with Chinese nationals. I haven't seen you tread near it in this thread, but even non-pozzed Chinese nationals tend to have cartoonishly poor or otherwise low-resolution understandings of US history beyond militaria.
+--- 57848801
+>>57848142
+>they would eventually revert to capitalism as things calm down, heirarchies reappear, society gets orderly again,
+And they were completely correct as we can all see, which led China and Xi to unironically reinvent fascism as a working model and by God he's got a decent shot at pulling it off
+--- 57848922
+>>57834063
+>You have right to racism and others also have right to racism you.
+im saving this quote.
+--- 57849048
+>>57848787
+I have to admit that my timeline about American history is linked up by war after war. From Chicago indians to Afghanistan. And I have no idea on how American politics before 20th century.
+--- 57849134
+>>57848992
+Based
+--- 57849180
+>>57848368
+Oh God you don't know about Chris-chan?
+--- 57849443
+>>57848787
+The irony of an American complaining about people having cartoon-tier knowledge of history
+Toppest of keks.
+--- 57849612
+>>57843201
+>Mao
+>Encouraged freedom of criticism
+What is Hundred Flowers? Some of us lost family who thought they were doing the proper thing in calling out flaws in the system.
+--- 57850262
+>>57843119
+You can look at Stalin's purges as a Russian equivalent of the Cultural Revolution since a lot of people who caught a bullet were in the middle, which created upward mobility from the bottom (who'd also be loyal to Stalin). There's a book called "Stalinism and the Politics of Mobilization" about this, arguing that mass mobilization was more important than assumed by historians, rather than the purges being strictly top down.
+It's more of a pincer attack. And it's complicated, because Stalin (and Mao) were paranoid and wanted to root out their enemies, alleged spies, traitors, and potentially disloyal people, but they also used mass mobilization and political commitment on the part of people at the bottom to help do it. Stephen Kotkin, the conservative historian who is finishing a three-volume biography of Stalin, described Stalin's rule as a form of "participatory totalitarianism," which is an interesting phrase. Like this:
+>>57843201
+>Random people were encouraged to attack party officials (usually not physically) for failing to do their jobs and follow mao’s policies
+Stalin encouraged that too, although in a somewhat different way. Your manager at a state-owned factory is disloyal? There have been accidents that injured a worker because of neglect? Report him to the NKVD and then some mysterious men show up and the managers disappear. Then some other guys at the factory take those jobs. Those guys will be loyal to Stalin for life. Maybe the manager who got disappeared didn't do anything wrong, but either way... who's asking questions?
+It's an absurd (but funny) movie, The Death of Stalin, because it depicts the top leadership as craven, but there are throngs of people flooding into Moscow to pay their respects, but some of the leaders are trying to control it, or Beria trying to shut the capital down with his NKVD troops, and the people at the bottom are more militant true believers than the leaders:
+https://youtu.be/VersLJjqRGY?t=105 [Embed]
+--- 57850438
+>>57848142
+>continuous revolution by constantly encouraging whoever was on the bottom to keep attacking anyone who gets higher than them. This is why ancom is worse than stalinism.
+Stalinism is kinda like continuous revolution though, that's the weird thing about it. Or at least that's part of it. I believe Mao also had a concept like "permanent revolution" or something. The French Revolution had its Jacobin phase which led to the Thermidorian reaction and then the rise of Napoleon. But Stalin had elements of each of these things, so you see Stalin adopting rather conservative policies in various areas, reintroducing pretty traditional military ranks with generals with shoulder bars, but then also adopting some of the most radical measures such as forced collectivization. That was not the case with Thermidor, the radical social experiments stopped, but not under Stalin (or Mao), in some areas they intensified. Thing is, too, all the people at the top we're talking about read a lot about the French Revolution.
+Stalin's consolidation of power purged both "left" and "right." In communist terms that is, the "left" would be Trotsky and the far left of the party, who he moved against first, but then the "right" represented by Bukharin (think of Deng Xiaoping here), while also adopting elements of both in his own policies. For Stalin, everything was basically relative, contingent.
+--- 57850846
+>>57824354 (OP)
+Genuinely good thread anon
+--- 57851062
+>>57849180
+I’m a Chinese who spend most of my life inside the wall why shall I know him.
+I do know a bit cwc lore but don’t know this China thing till today.
+--- 57851082
+>>57848922
+>>>57834063
+>>You have right to racism and others also have right to racism you.
+>im saving this quote.
+its a whizbanger no doubt
+>fr fr no cap ong
+--- 57852325
+>>57841987
+It’s partially true.
+Mao himself once wrote a passage on rural poverty in 1920s.
+I forget the exact number.
+More than 70-80% peasants are literally serfs. The same percentage of total population is illiterate. Landlords are intentionally pushing peasants into a Engel coefficient of 1 or even more than 1. The case of more than 1 is usually used to gain land or labour from them. The result is the entire village would remains shit for 1000years. In marxism word, this system cuffs the productivity in shithole.
+For example before commies came to granny’s place the most advanced agricultural technology in the entire village was a single cow and a set of wooden plough owned by the landlord himself. Wtf.
+Granny’s family used to be one of these serfs. Commies came in late 40s. The recruiting station was nearly crushed by human wave after commies said they would give every family a land. Despite shit happened later, but that’s exactly why commies can have sky high popularity then.
+Maybe many would say Mao is shit.
+But for the majority of population Mao is Jesus at least before late 50s.
+--- 57852363
+>>57824354 (OP)
+Grandfather fought in WW2, never met him cuz he shot himself in the 70s when his cancer became terminal.
+Great uncle on other side of the family fought in korea, went to Tokyo U for college, married a japanese girl.
+Father was going to fight in Vietnam but his brother died in a test flight of the Starfighter and thus he was exempted under the Sole Survivor policy.
+--- 57852381
+>>57852363
+Oh and grandfather on other side was in the navy during korea but didnt fight, they were stationed in the Caribbean during it. He WAS however physically present at the Reagan assassination attempt so that's something.
+--- 57852396
+>>57852325
+Another thing.
+Giving everyone land is just PR for recruiting(but was successful). China has so many people and so limited land. The only way to concentrate land and apply soviet tractor and fertiliser on it. Even for now, post deng era, this is happening in rural area in a slow pace.
+Honestly I don’t know how People’s Commune both Mao and me(lmao) thought that should work.
+The materials and researches on the Great Famine are also restricted in China so some of you people might know this better than me.
+--- 57852427
+>>57852325
+It's hard to blame impoverished communists at the turn of the century. I completely understand why they chose something to fuck over the people who fucked them over nonstop. It's the utopianist middle-upper-class communists I detest because they just want to meet the new boss same as the old boss at worst or at best are guilty and trying to dances-with-wolves. But fuck you live in the depraved shitholes of the industrial revolution or landlord era third world 19th-20th century and fuck yeah unless you could get into the system as a mook of the landlord of course you'd go commie.
+--- 57852732
+>>57824354 (OP)
+Why aren't they slapping ERA onto the statue?
+--- 57852810
+Actually a good thread compared to /pol/ and CIA troons trying to influence each other.
+--- 57852816
+>>57852732
+it already has it, look closer
+--- 57853405
+>>57849612
+Yeah I was trying to make a 101 explanation but it would be more accurate to say that he encouraged freedom of criticism as it allowed him to more clearly identify threats on one hand and on the other direct the broad people to keep the party loyal to him through that criticism, as the party wasn’t nearly centralised enough for him to do that from the top down. It’s a very complicated issue but no one can say that mao stifled expression, especially during the cultural revolution. Now, stifled specific persons and groups for their expression…
+--- 57853478
+Hi OP, cool thread you seem very knowledgeable
+I don't know a lot about earlier PLA/China history admittedly, but I have done a decent amount of research into modern-ish PLA kit
+Here's my PLAN Marine uniform I put together, I'm aware type 07 camoflage is being replaced by the type 16/19/whatever Starry Sky, but I prefer the 07 digital honestly
+also using the older type 95 style chest rig, rather than the newer type 06 MOLLE vest
+--- 57853561
+>>57842025
+That would be bizarre as Soviets were not practitioners of the "no one left behind" doctrine and used to high casualties as the price of operations. Even as late as A-stan they buried many dead on the battlefield though there were corpse repatriations too.
+--- 57853583
+>>57842738
+Post age. I'm 63 and my father fought in Europe (US Army).
+--- 57853596
+>>57843119
+The Russian civil war was enormous and went on for years until the White forces were defeated and killed or expelled overseas.
+--- 57853674
+>>57833205
+doesn't even have to be in person.
+I'm Bangladeshi. If you knew our history, you'd see we had a lot of bad blood with Pakis and Indians. Let's just say, I was brought up with a not-so-rosy view of them.
+Then, I played COD4x in a Sri Lankan server with asians of all countries including Pakistanis and Indians, became friends. That changed my mindset and now I don't think they're so bad.
+There were also a bunch of russians too and now I wonder how they're doing with everything thats going on.
+--- 57853849
+>>57850262
+>Death of Stalin
+really good movie. Surprisingly historically accurate for a comedy
+--- 57853894
+Wow, I've got to learn a lot of Chinese history that I'd have otherwise been unaware of.
+You guys recommend any books to get an overview of the politics, happenins and the PLA state in China from the 40s onwards?
+--- 57853987
+>>57853583
+28
+--- 57854055
+>>57853583
+If this is true damn anon what made you find this place lol
+--- 57854159
+>>57852325
+It helps that the Guomindang were absolute dogshit during WWII
+--- 57856531
+>>57853478
+The time period I’m obsessed with are Deng and Jiang era. I’m abit lost about post-Jiang PLA because things just changed too rapidly.
+Grandpa owns a Type 65 overcoat. In winter mornings of 2007 he used to put that on me and drive me to school in his scooter.
+By the way this blue camo is informally called Smurf because it’s just too…ugly.
+--- 57856866
+Just did weekly video chat with grandpa.
+Told me more about his good old days.
+Serious military training starts at high school. He used a type 38. Practicing physical skills and bayonet. Grenade as well. But no shooting.
+There was a pen pal project between east bloc for kids to practice Russian. Grandpa writes with a Russian girl. Her name is Dasha or so. She sent grandpa a soviet novel. The Young Guard. Written in russian. The entire class plus the teacher spent a semester together to read this.
+--- 57856891
+>>57856866
+Still wondering how that Russian person doing in these 60 years. Is she still alive? Grandpa said she may from Ukraine. That adds uncertainty.
+High school ends and grandpa went through Gaokao for university.
+3 months of military training in advance. This is serious. Involving everything of boot camp. Living with real soldiers. Shooting sks. Shooting rpd. Rpg2 and rpg43.
+--- 57856914
+>>57856891
+One training involves what to do when you spot a mushroom cloud nearby. Holy shit.
+Another is going prone at night. Soldiers shooting tracer with rpd above your head.
+They had a marching practice in one rain night. They returned barracks with mud and water. One mate found the upper of his sks is gone. Everyone freaking out. All goes out to find. Things recovered later in a mud pool.
+--- 57856962
+One day. Nonsense chatting with my classmates.
+ A mountain hiking obsessed guy asks me if I do the same in Beijing cuz Beijing is surrounded by mountains in three side.
+Yes I do and I love these old bunkers.
+What bunkers?
+In old times the mountains are the last line between soviet tanks and Beijing so there’re bunkers.
+Alright…
+One bunker is funny particularly. When russians dropped nuke on Beijing the guys in bunker would observe how many of the city is vaporised and reported it to someone else.
+One girl turns a shitty smile.
+Only a week later I got to know she’s russian.
+--- 57857071
+>>57844839
+>When the army became motorised the drinking cult just die out.
+>PLA prohibited drinking alcohol many years ago.
+Doubt. This particular bottle was new. Maybe only officers can get it, idk. All I know is that it came from a friend of a friend currently in the PLA and I have no idea how it got snuck into the US.
+--- 57857193
+>>57843047
+Ever try talk to a commie? Like a real die hard commie? They know and obsess over every minute detail of theory worse than the most ardent religious fundamentalist. And like a religious fundamentalist, to be against their hyperspecifc interpretation of the one true ideology is to be the enemy, the embodiment of evil, the heretic. Now that's here in the West, where they're somewhat restrained. In a world where their (broad) worldview has violently won its place they get cart blanche to act on that. See secterian violence in Iraq and Iran, or commies killing commies in China, early Soviet Russia, and so on
+--- 57857254
+>>57857193
+For example, the early Red Army in 1930s.
+Imagine a grouping of teens going really crazy in this commie thoughts. And different from rural rebels they’re properly trained in killing and properly organised in killing teams by some educated and super smart middle aged men who have military experience seasoned in decades of light infantry fightings.
+And you have to fight them in mountainous southern china.
+Even you have mauser and they only have pike you cannot defeat them.
+--- 57857766
+thanks for sharing anon, your grandpa sounds nice. mine (US) got drafted during the korean war but thankfully got sick and didn’t deploy with his unit. Two stories:
+>be grandpa during basic training
+>do grenade practice
+>throw grenade really hard
+>it bounces back
+>everyone runs away
+>thankfully it was a dud (or maybe a practice grenade, I forget which)
+Then after training was done
+>get released from army
+>grandpa is from New York
+>his friend is also from New York
+>they decide to drive back together
+>important note: his friend is black and basic training is in the south, which is super racist. New York not so much
+>grandpa was shocked on the drive back when they couldn’t eat at the same restaurants or use the bathroom at the same gas station, they had to find separate ones
+Later he programmed computers for the Apollo missions and the Osprey (he predicted it would crash but got fired because he insulted his boss about it). He died a few years ago.
+--- 57858120
+>>57856962
+>guys in bunker would observe how many of the city is vaporised and reported it to someone else.
+>One girl turns a shitty smile.
+>Only a week later I got to know she’s russian.
+thats funny right there i dont care who you are
+--- 57859217
+>>57853561
+The point is the Soviets didnt want the west to have proof they were involved, hence why they only flew air support deep in NK territory
+--- 57859451
+>>57857766
+this is all true
+--- 57859504
+>>57834077
+they didn't get stopped. they fucked up the gooks up enough to teach them a lesson, then fucked back to China because who knows what the USSR was gonna do.
+Vietnam got BTFO in 79 hard and anyone who disputes that is a retarded gook lover or muttard wholly devoid of reason.
+--- 57859568
+>>57833172
+>It really really surprises me how Anti - CCP a lot of them (all I spoke with) are - like saying Xi and his party are actually damaging to China in the long and middle term and how they like democracy here.
+kek
+what they don't tell you is how absolutely they think the west is.
+And besides, grass is always greener on the other side. These people you speak to are the elites of Chinese society. You talk to Chinese students in provincial universities in China and see what you get.
+>>57833327
+>that the chinese regime was/is bad
+then ask them who provided the economic reforms necessary for them to acquire enough wealth. Hint: if the KMT won the civil war, you're looking at another civil war in 25 years.
+>>57833233
+>don't feel bizarre when some of them turn mute when you talk politic with them. That's what we're "trained" to do..
+That's not really true.
+>>57833205
+>Chinese hate west, west hate chinese, that's what ccp want most.
+you're a naive retard.
+Western propaganda arms are working overtime to build a comprehensive anti china narrative and if you don't understand that, you're even dumber than you sound.
+--- 57859582
+>>57841987
+>Alot of the old people and boomers I've met seem to really think the party takes their interests to heart
+that's because it's true.
+the CPC and the PLA were a lot more egalitarian back in the days.
+the command structures and decision making matrices were much flatter.
+--- 57859593
+>>57859568
+>chink
+>dd ar
+checks out
+--- 57859606
+>>57859593
+KNEEL.
+WORSHIP AT THE ALTAR OF MARTY DANIEL.
+--- 57860756
+>>57853405
+>You have freedom of legitimate criticism
+>That is: The freedom to get lynched afterwards
+>But only after a self criticism session
+--- 57860776
+>>57860756
+>freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences
+--- 57860794
+>>57860776
+>/leftypol/ fingers typed this
+--- 57860809
+Cultural Revolution China sounds like a capture the flag game
+--- 57862921
+>>57860756
+>t. retard
+--- 57863263
+When i was a kid my uncle was friendly with a guy who won the medal of honor in Vietnam. He won the MOH during his first tour and then went back for 4 more doing various things, including as a LRRP/SF. He told some pretty fucked up stories.
+The LRRPs were generally a recon force but the VC/NVA hated them because they were so elite. When a LRRP team got hit, they were such a small unit that they would have to leave any friendly KIAs behind. A couple days later they'd send another team back to investigate and dudes would have their dicks cut off and shoved in their mouths, impaled...all kinds of atrocities.
+So despite being a recon unit, most of the LRRPs would end up wanting to kill some motherfuckers and would do it whenever they got the chance to without compromising the mission. He said sometimes if they had a slow mission with no enemy showing up or whatever, they'd set up a fake camp and cook some rice the same way the VC/NVA would. When dudes showed up to investigate, they'd think it was one of their camps, sit down to eat, and they'd ambush them and either kill them or kidnap them. He also said one time he came up on a guy sleeping in a hammock. Instead of just slitting his throat and being done with it, he put his hand over the guy's mouth and shook him awake to see the look on his face before he killed him. Must have been crazy doing that job. He really had a tough time when he came home though desu
+--- 57863619
+>>57863263
+Heard similar stories since childhood.
+Chinese and Vietnam recon during Sino-Vietnam war. Not 1979one, but the long war alongside border in 80s.
+The geo of sino vietnam war zone was bizarre. Many positions were on isolated hill tops. Only connected by roads on valley.
+Recons were deployed for gaining intels for further offensive. This applies for china in most case. Vietnam didn’t wage big offensive alot. they made big offensive once. they won initial infantry battle with superior force but eventually got raped hard by our arti.
+Both china and vietnam love to use recon for kidnapping. Target might be signal guys or small patrol. This was one method to gain intel. But mostly just for scaring people.
+There’re stories of vietnamese Dac Cong infiltrates Chinese barracks and kill random people or planting bombs.
+There’re also stories about female Dac Cong. An urban legend says female Dac Cong would hid explosives in their china.(another cwcism)
+--- 57863637
+My uncle was in Vietnam, he was drunk when I was a child and told me a story about how his M16 was out of ammo, or maybe jammed, and he had to bayonet the VC he was just shooting at. I think he might have felt bad about it.
+>>57863619
+>There’re also stories about female Dac Cong. An urban legend says female Dac Cong would hid explosives in their china.(another cwcism)
+Hah
+--- 57863702
+>>57863263
+Vietnam also deployed many US things against China. Like M16 with silencer, M16 with nvg or M79. The latter two gave PLA hard lessons sometimes.
+China uses flamethrowers alot for Vietnam. Many that’s one reason China still doesn’t want to give up it today, even portable thermobaric are already deployed.
+For counter insurgency operations in You Know Where and You Know Where II they still use flamethrowers to clean caves.
+--- 57863739
+Random thought. What do the Chinamen think of America's adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan?
+--- 57863804
+>>57859568
+>Western propaganda arms are working overtime to build a comprehensive anti china narrative
+yeah both governments are, they're each trying to create political will for their desired outcome (invade/defend Taiwan). Most likely, the outcome will be decided more by this psychological trickery than any battle. This is because political will determines whether or not America intervenes, and whether the CCP gains anything internally by invading.
+I hope it doesn't happen. I don't know if the CCP is really crazy enough to do it, but a friend of a friend building PLAN ships said they were aiming for 2025.
+--- 57863852
+>>57863739
+For contemporary China the Iraq wars were Human-Kryptonian war. Just too shocking.
+Like aforementioned. One of my dad’s mate was 37mm 61K gunner factory militia. One day dad just laughing on him. Saying that he would be sent to counter apache and a10 when Sino American war broke out. Mate just smiled like mobik.
+For Afghanistan, the sudden retreat causes the same shocking. Nobody knows why. Even for Chinese people.
+--- 57863883
+>>57863804
+Stop replying that guy. China-taiwan comparison is fine but put non/k/ politic aside.
+I don’t want my thread to become sino american bot war.
+--- 57863982
+>>57863739
+Iraq also somehow boosted Jiang‘s will on reforming and modernising PLA. And we have to say that this modernisation finally works.
+Taiwan for example. Things are alot different nowadays than 1996.
+--- 57864022
+>>57863702
+>using flamethrowers and cave hajis
+Jesus Christ how horrifying. But they’ll get a rude awakening if they try that against any actual military
+--- 57864074
+>>57863852
+military knowledgelet here, what makes apaches and a10s scarier to do AA against vs whatever he was expecting before then?
+--- 57864162
+>>57863883
+fair. here's a /k/ but not military china story.
+I did kung fu for several years here in the states. my teacher's teachers were involved in involved in triad/gang/hongmen shit back in the day. They never specified exactly. one time, one went on a trip back to hong kong. A guy he knew there wanted a gun, so he bought one in the states and just... stuck that shit in his waistband and walked on the plane. Then when he got there, the guy didn't offer him enough money for it, so he... stuck it right back in his pants and went home. 1970's airport security did not give a fuck.
+--- 57864267
+>>57834077
+How hard would YOU fight for Pol pot, anon?
+Outside of murder/k/ube obligations.
+--- 57864428
+>>57864074
+Countermeasures, BVR stealth fighter fleets and AWACS makes it hard to even get a lock before you're destroyed.
+--- 57864494
+>>57864074
+Anon this is what this factory militiaman would have been manning against gunships with guided missiles with BVR capabilities
+I would shit my pants too
+--- 57864496
+This is quite possibly the most informative thread I've ever seen on /k/
+--- 57864834
+Tell me more about these factory militiamen. Were they based at these factories because the factories were just the best place or centerpoint they had for that region, or were they intended to guard the factory specifically?
+--- 57864842
+>>57853478
+Nice I have a pla bonnie hat that I love for hiking. The tibetian plain camo it has is pretty unique.
+>>57844883
+Apparently sks are still being manufractured as a gun for formal occasions. Wish we could get some here.
+--- 57865003
+>>57832094
+Not the USMC Flag :(
+--- 57865060
+>>57864834
+Factories themselves were very organized, a lot of the workers lives would have revolved around their factory
+>lived close by
+>work teams already highly organized, politicised by discussion and debate groups
+>these groups were often the only organizing the production lines and methods themselves
+>daycare facilities at factory
+>healthcare and pharmaceutical facilities at factories
+And then add onto that, the factories would have been often producing war materiel. In fact some factories weee started basically by random people in the neighbourhood finding an old building and requesting permission and machinery to get started. Random housewives making iron cookware, for example.
+Militias were fucking everywhere pre-deng, and people were organized into groups everywhere from villages to factories to primary school to university to factories to apartment complexes.
+How Yokong Moved the Mountains is obviously propaganda but when you acknowledge that, it’s interesting to see how they framed the idealness of their society. Factory groups putting up giant posters criticising the party official managing their factory, debating whether or not pay incentives are socialist, conducting costal air raid milita drills, putting on socialist plays, etc.
+When the language from party leadership turned to correcting mistaken ideas, preventing internal coups, re-educating the wayward revisionists, the dangers of the PLA… well you can see how these organisations might start turning on each other
+--- 57865078
+>>57856531
+I'm in a online community that does PLA impression kits, one or two of the guys there are actual PLA vets as well, I've known about the smurf nickname lol, I've always liked it for being unique though
+>>57864842
+Nice, the Tibet flecktarn clone I presume
+--- 57865261
+>>57833172
+We all bleed under the same sun, we all sleep under the same moon.
+--- 57865486
+>>57832117
+>>57832969
+>>57845879
+based innocent chinese.-anon
+How many gangs were there in the early days of the Red Guard fighting?
+Dozens? Over a hundred?
+Early christianity had three main branches (only Catholics survived; they had the best recruitment message) but for a very long time every church picked and chose what sacred Hebrew and Christian writings were used.
+One church might choose some books, another church might refuse those books.
+--- 57866106
+>>57824354 (OP)
+Changnon, why is Chinese cinema so devoted to spectacle over substance?
+--- 57866148
+>>57864162
+>Then when he got there, the guy didn't offer him enough money for it, so he... stuck it right back in his pants and went home.
+This sounds like a Sopranos scene lmao
+--- 57866230
+>>57866106
+Says the guy living in the country that invented capeshit
+One Shadow is worth the entire Avengers series you uncultured mutt
+--- 57866534
+>>57856531
+>By the way this blue camo is informally called Smurf because it’s just too…ugly.
+kek. I will have to remember that.
+>>57856914
+Damn, that sounds like some bad luck. It's hard to knock that lever out of place, then catch the pin on something to pull it out and lose the top cover but I believe it, especially if it's been worn in. I wonder how he didn't hear it when it fell off, though; they're quite loud when the cover pops off! As an aside, I love my Chinese SKS. It's not in the greatest of condition as it was used by Albania but it shoots rather accurately and the recoil is very light. I prefer it over my AK.
+--- 57866555
+>>57860794
+>he doesn't understand sarcasm
+Why do you think I wrote it in greentext?
+--- 57866562
+>>57866534
+>Damn, that sounds like some bad luck. It's hard to knock that lever out of place, then catch the pin on something to pull it out and lose the top cover but I believe it, especially if it's been worn in. I wonder how he didn't hear it when it fell off, though; they're quite loud when the cover pops off! As an aside, I love my Chinese SKS. It's not in the greatest of condition as it was used by Albania but it shoots rather accurately and the recoil is very light. I prefer it over my AK.
+Not him obviously but when I read that post I assumed the grandpa's friend guy or whatever meant his gas tube. I feel like it's easier to mistakenly think the gastube is on right while it's not, than the same for the top cover.
+--- 57866601
+>>57866106
+Not op, but entertainment as a whole is kinda made to cater to the lowest common denominator. It's actually pretty hard to find groups to do hobbies with because most entertainment venues try to cater to as wide a market as possible. Disposable income and time are still pretty new things to many Chinese people so it's taking awhile for more niche interests to gain a following. Also, Chinese people kinda have a mindset of bigger/more is always better so people rarely think a movie is too dramatic or has too many special effects.
+--- 57866655
+>>57866562
+I was going between that and the dust cover while I was reading OP's reply. Makes a lot more sense; if that thing falls off it would make almost no noise, especially in the rain and mud! My lever on the gas tube is even more worn out than the one holding the cover on. Should bend it to keep it more secure so the same doesn't happen to me if I ever take this thing hunting. SKS parts are fucking retarded right now.
+--- 57867019
+>>57824354 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/DXbwKf-2iB8?t=18 [Embed]
+--- 57868121
+>>57866106
+I don’t watch film then. Maybe the last time I went for cinema was in 2014or 2015, for a Jackie Chan movie I think.
+I watch some TVs. Mainly police tv from early 2000s. The equipment used in these are interesting. Maybe deserved to be talked about in another reply.
+--- 57868214
+I love two Tv particularly.
+重案六组(Crime investigation team VI) and 士兵突击(Soldier)
+The first is a police drama, with 4 seasons, themed police in early 2000s Beijing.
+I love the first two.
+Many interesting /k/ features can be seen in there.
+Police equiped with regular type 54 and type 64 pistol. BUT someone have BHP and PPK.
+In one scene a guy is using a Mauser HSC. Wtf.
+Police use SMG like Type 79 or CQ UZI.
+Sometimes the 'sniper' guy would use a CQ M16 with a scope.
+All real guns I can sure. Fake movie gun were not popular in mainland in that time.
+There's no swat in Beijing then. So all reinforcements are real PAP soldier. They have type 56(AK) and wearing thet classic chest gear, right, in 2003.
+These're real soldiers. PAP at that time are allowed to take part in tv for extra money. Jiang banned army and pap from setting company but acting and renting house is not banned until XI.
+Banning pla from renting house made my favourite Uyghur restaurant dissapeared. I miss Xinjiang noodle and Roast Lamb!
+Many scene of the tv are just filmed in streets of Beijing. Fulfilled my 2000s nostalgia.
+--- 57868254
+>>57868214
+Where did they source the weirder guns? Is it all straight from government sources or were there companies that specialized in renting real guns to movie and TV show productions?
+--- 57868272
+士兵突击 is about PLA in early 2000s.
+It's about a soldier's life of being recruited, bootcamp, deployed in a regular recon company in motorised regiment, then got chosen into "elite" unit.
+Type 87 camo (copycat M81) still in use.
+Type 81 and 81-1 rifle and Type 81 LMG still in use. The sniper in infantry uses type 85 (chinese svd). In one scene there is a disguised Type 56-2 with black handguard. A fake 81-1 isn't it?
+The "Elite Troops" are using type 95 and type 88 sniper.
+Vehicles:
+Regular units still using type 63 APC and type 59 tank. But they're in a transition toward type 86 ifv. The company leader later moved to be a battalion leader of "divisional recon battalion".
+--- 57868280
+>>57868254
+from police themselfs. this is later prohibited. that's how these early police drama can offer us a insight of police equipment in that time.
+--- 57868323
+>>57868272
+what do you think about the fact that westerners hate you and will not think twice about putting you in a camp?
+--- 57868353
+>>57868323
+fuck ya mudda
+--- 57868401
+>>57868353
+Based
+--- 57868412
+>>57843208
+>They literally had internecine brawls over opera and poems, debates about specific pieces of opera were often centrepieces of debates and struggles in Beijing amongst both party officials and lay people.
+I think when chinese say "america is collapsing" this is what they mean, because they have a historical reference to go off of for how their own country faltered - not that I necessarily believe that premise.
+--- 57868450
+>>57865078
+Is there something wrong with his wrist? Besides the rubber band constricting it. The fuck am I looking at? Am I having a stroke?
+--- 57868715
+>>57832016
+Chink is a reference to the slit eyes.
+Amerimutts mostly have normal shaped eyes.
+So whats your point? Or are you just being a regular yellow fella and copying without understanding.
+--- 57868744
+>>57868715
+anon the epicanthic folds are normal for them
+--- 57869197
+>>57868353
+Is this how you cope with being an inferior chink?
+--- 57869864
+>>57869197
+Yes so fuck ya mudda
+--- 57870005
+Actually breddy gud bread, chinanon what do you think of the PLAAF aircraft would you say that the CCP still copies both American and Russian designs or are they now trying to design their own fighters from the ground up like the h-6 or J-20, not trying to start shit flinging just genuinely curious
+--- 57870130
+>>57870005
+I’m not familiar with PLAAF. We shall say, as long as they had the capability of designing something different they start it. From J10abc to J20.
+Shenyang finally made Su27 their own to develop J11, J15 and J16, maybe the only thing kept them from designing something looks like new is that the aerodynamic of Su27 is so damn good. Y20 is here. Maybe new bomber is next.
+Engine is still a problem. CCP got seethed by AVIC so much that they set up a separated engine company. That did achieved something. Notice the difference in Y20’s engine.
+In a sentence. Long way to go. But better than nothing, better than 2010s, partially better than Russia, and equal or better than US in some minor points.
+--- 57870210
+Someone screencap this thread
+--- 57870360
+>>57824794
+>Behold. A siege engine.
+Nice
+--- 57870504
+>>57824909
+What book
+--- 57870555
+>>57831535
+Thay's a very different take on how history books told the story.
+So if civil unrest predated mao, what caused the civil unrest?
+--- 57870576
+>>57832016
+Amerimutt is an insult coined in /int/ to insult americans. Mixed blood americans like to own it up but it's an endearing term.
+--- 57870596
+>>57832045
+Just ask her out bro.
+Reunification can happen in other ways
+--- 57870617
+>>57832229
+How bad did corruption get in the 80s?
+--- 57870662
+>>57833233
+Is the turn mute thing something tgat predates the revolution?
+--- 57870670
+>>57833327
+>argies
+>evil
+Autistic brit detected
+--- 57870701
+>>57870504
+All books. No matter Chinese or western, propaganda or history. Japs just still fight in medieval way.
+--- 57870711
+>>57834117
+>i dont know how other cities are doing
+??? Why not?
+--- 57870719
+>>57870711
+many municipal governments and provinces do their own thing and have their own standards, they're fairly decentralized in some respects
+--- 57870745
+>>57870711
+Media is controlled. Social media is also controlled. Central authority have power to delete things. Local authority(even universities) have bots cruising around and look for bad news.
+--- 57870784
+>>57870617
+Crazy high.
+Just like culture revolution era.
+The crazy thing is not Mao himself would do bad things to you without supervision. The crazy thing is anyone who represents Mao(party officials in this case) can do bad things on you.
+--- 57870786
+>>57870701
+No. I understand that Japs were brutal and inhumane but they have always been very quick to adapt and adopt new ways to commit war. After the Portuguese introduced them to firearms in 1543, they were mass producing better muskets in 3 years. Imperial Japan before WWII had the best ships, best planes, best weapons (except tanks) in the world other than Germany. They conquered most of SEAsia because they were much more modern and skillful than other Asian people. They could not upgrade quickly enough and were stretched too thin so they lost the war but it was not because they were bad at fighting wars, they were very good at that
+--- 57870830
+>>57870745
+We can see a lot of this from outside, infosec people who monitor Chinas internet notice the gaps and painted over parts in social even if we can't actually see it happen.
+Anyway do you like Chef Wang Gang? I love his recipes and his uncle
+--- 57871054
+>>57857766
+When did segeefation laws really get gping in the south?
+I feel like they weren't there before 19220
+--- 57871165
+>>57870745
+I didnt imagine you were not allowed to know about what happened to your own nationals.
+Say im a beijing civil engineer, how would I find out that there's compaby looking to set a company up next province and they are hiring?
+Or do provinces no really exchange people?
+--- 57871180
+>>57870784
+Did Xi really did manage to stop corruption, or he cant penetrate province level corruption?
+Does it affect modern PLA?
+--- 57871193
+This was a fascinating thread. Thanks for your anecdoctes and answers, friend
+--- 57871208
+>>57870786
+>they were mass producing better muskets in 3 years
+Let’s not get carried away
+>best ships
+Lmao no
+>best planes
+>best weapons
+Ah I see, you are shitposting
+--- 57871272
+>>57870830
+I'm sorry who is Chef Wang Gang?
+--- 57871349
+>>57871180
+At least he stopped some.
+It depends on how you view these things.
+[setting up a police state.]
++ drug selling(even weeds) and terrorism nearly eliminated.
+- too many.
+? huge budget.
+[Xi concentrating power.]
++ corruption partially stopped. At least party anti-corruption agency starts being serious.
+- too many
+? winnie the pooh banned.
+--- 57871442
+>>57871272
+Sichaunese chef on social, his uncle looks like the Beast from Kung Fu Hustle
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hgYXRuQcniw [Embed]
+--- 57871599
+>>57871349
+>winnie the pooh banned.
+this is a lie. Go to Shanghai Disneyland.
+--- 57871997
+>>57871599
+Since Jiang era we call Winnie and in recent years all media call him pooh.
+Do you know why?

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+-----
+--- 57825770
+Emergency Bake Edition
+Post wood (furniture)
+Frens
+Battle Rifles
+Living Easy, Living Large
+Thread Theme:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgoqrgc_0cM [Embed]
+As always; No Trips, No Traps, No Airsoft ~
+Previous Thread: >>57778003 →
+--- 57825786
+pasty: replace the "()" with "."
+https://rentry()co/brg_V09
+--- 57825811
+>>57825770 (OP)
+This barrel is far too long for good accuracy and performance. Ninjas will teleport in no problem and then you'll get stuck swinging it for cqb.
+--- 57825851
+>>57825770 (OP)
+What's a fair price for a brand new gen 1 galil ace in .308?
+--- 57825967
+>>57825851
+$1,800 more or less. They still have them on Gun Broker. There were a lot more available about 6months ago. Looks like you missed your mark senpai. Better luck next time. Can still find them in 5.56 and x39.
+--- 57826719
+>>57825851
+See the first post. Oh...
+--- 57826794
+>>57826719
+I'll see about actually putting in some effort and contributing this time around.
+>>57825967
+Conversely some stuff that was going to for stupid pricing above msrp durig coof is now better and improved, and ammo pricing has come down significantly, so not all bad. For me though the only gun I can say was a truly perfectly timed purchase wasn't a bg and sadly only got one. Hindsight is 20/20, end of the day for most of us I think the best strat is to do some research, try stuff, and just get things you think are truly cool and enjoyable yourself. If you luck out and it goes up great, if not you've still got a gun you personally love.
+--- 57826999
+Just tried to buy g3 mags and they canceled my order without giving a reason. What's the best place to buy g3 mags?
+--- 57827264
+>>57826999
+>Just tried to buy g3 mags and they canceled my order without giving a reason.
+Name and shame.
+--- 57827313
+>>57826999
+Do you live in a cuck state?
+--- 57827321
+>>57826999
+https://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/CAN-COMBO-FOR-HK-G3-FIFTEEN-20RD-G3-MAGS-WITH-ONE-NEW-AC-AMMO-CAN-2p11420.htm
+Came in the mail alerts earlier this week, about $6/mag before shipping unless you value the ammo can.
+--- 57827341
+remember to write Coomeranon about the M41 match trigger!
+>sub 4lbs
+>adjustable trigger stop to switch between BR or DMR
+>used for the sub 0.5MOA M41 DMR
+--- 57827352
+For the anon telling me to flip the bipod around, this is how I actually use it normally, but because of other shit in my case, it fits better when it's backwards. Also gravity would work regardless of which way I flip it to help deploy it, and the mount would likely break before the bipod itself, so I don't think it would matter anyway. Also the stock already has a sling attachment point and I feel it's balanced enough and not uncomfortable to shoot
+--- 57827415
+>>57827341
+>Zur Zeit nicht lieferbar
+Sad.
+--- 57828301
+>>57827352
+Not the dude who called you out, but your bipod is fine so long as it suits your needs. If it's stupid but it works it's not stupid and anyone else can get bent.
+--- 57828394
+>>57825770 (OP)
+M&amp;P 10. Sneed it or Chuck it?
+--- 57828634
+>>57825023 →
+Sorry, bud. I missed the close of that one. Taste the country side.
+>>57825770 (OP)
+Thank you op.
+--- 57828673
+>>57827321
+This is still a deal. Lee's Mags would be first, but I took my finger off that pulse last year after a quan 30 buy. I rounded up for free shipping, I think.
+--- 57828682
+>>57825770 (OP)
+FLY BY NIGHT AWAY FROM HERE
+CHANGE MY LIFE AGAIN
+--- 57828928
+>>57828682
+>mfw my ship isn't coming and I just can't pretend
+--- 57829257
+>>57828673
+Lee's is out of mags essentially. Website only has a $250 pack of six mags now.
+--- 57830226
+>>57828673
+>be brg
+>wonder why you can't get fal mags despite being the right arm of the free world
+>also brg
+>buy g3 mags thirty at a time
+It will happen to you too
+--- 57830377
+>>57830226
+>>be brg
+>>wonder why you can't get fal mags despite being the right arm of the free world
+Worse still, I just bought 3 FAL mags from Sarco, really nice ones. So in every way, that's 3 you'll have to buy from my Estate at $150/ea 7-32 yrs from now. Neener, sompin', sompin'... you should see the wooden FAL carry handles I bought from then a couple yrs ago. I actually CAN wait to gouge for those... Time marches on. Good thing I snagged the last of the G3 mags from Lee. Maybe he will change his company name from Lee's Mags to Lee's Leftover Shitty AK Parts Nobody Wants?
+--- 57830496
+>>57826999
+https://www.jgsales.com/c308-and-cetme-20rd-surplus-308-magazine,-vg,-used.-p-2415.html
+Buy in 10+, $4.50/mag steel C308s that should fit.
+--- 57830780
+>>57828394
+Yes
+--- 57830904
+>>57825770 (OP)
+What is the best FFP MPVO for the money. I like the looks of the Swampfox Kentucky Long and Athlon Helos 2-12s, but I'm curious what else is out there.
+Unfortunate I cannot stand Primary Arms' weird horseshoe reticles.
+--- 57830940
+>>57830904
+I’d get the althob because swampfox is a noname brand
+--- 57831279
+I have a rifle rebuilt to .308win in 1955. Anything to take into consideration using modern ammo in such an early .308 gun?
+--- 57831404
+>>57831279
+depends on the action
+and .308 has been standardized for a long time
+--- 57831495
+>>57827352
+i wonder what his favorite brand is?
+--- 57831986
+>>57831279
+>I have a rifle rebuilt to .308win in 1955
+What rifle? It would be cool as fuck if it was a Garand
+--- 57832417
+>>57830904
+>What is the best FFP MPVO for the money
+By this you mean what's the best poorfag budget one? Never used their mpvos but swampfox lpvo was pretty decent for the bucks. At that price range I doubt there is any massive difference between them so probably worth just check fov and relief, if it's gudenuf then just pick by what reticle you want.
+--- 57832471
+>>57831279
+The main things I can think of are
+a) make sure it's actually 308 rated not 7.62x51, this is one case where the civilian one is actually the hotter round. 308 can use 7.62 fine, and with new guns they're pretty much whatever, but back then probably worth double checking.
+b) all the normal stuff for an older rifle, any corrosion, shit like that. That's not so old that metallurgy was all different or anything like that so I wouldn't say you should have it chamber checked with an xray/ultrasonic or something like with an 1890s gun but look closely for any signs it was stored/maintained badly.
+c) I assume it's a normal 1:12 twist but might be worth checking out of curiosity.
+Any enjoy your neat older rifle, post some pictures!
+--- 57832472
+>>57831986
+Not a battle rifle, sadly. But figured this was the place to ask.
+It's a Swedish M94/14. Supposedly Interarms bought a batch of them from the Swedish government back in '55 and had Madsen in Denmark convert a bunch to 7x57mm and .308Win. Funny thing is that I don't think it's been shot at all since it was converted - all the refurbished parts show zero wear, and when I got it the trigger spring was missing, so I think whoever had it before me just thought it was broken and never bothered fixing it. But hey, cheap pristine .308 Swedish Mauser for me.
+--- 57832552
+>>57832471
+I'm certain it's .308 since I went to the auction house to check for myself, since I saw it and was like "what the fuck". Big ".308WIN" stamp on the barrel. It's also clearly one from that batch conversion I talked about, since many of the parts are pitted to hell from rust, but whoever refurbished it just recoated everything and assembled it while forgetting to put the trigger spring back. A proper gunsmith job would not have been like that.
+The barrel is the only part that doesn't have some sort of pitting, which leads me to believe they replaced the entire thing with a new one. The receiver also doesn't have any crest on it anymore, so that could also have been completely replaced, or maybe just polished down and recoated. The serial number is the original one, as it matches with several parts that have not been refurbished, and puts the rifle as a 1901 production.
+Other than that, the stock is heavily sanded and very worn, but is also the original. I'm having a new one custom decorated at the moment.
+I'll skedaddle for now and let the discussion get back to semi-auto rifles. Thanks for the answers.
+--- 57832647
+I found a site that is selling the CA CETME clone with the surplus wood parts. The price is $600. Worth it?
+--- 57832765
+>>57832552
+Nothing wrong with a bit of 30cal older goodness like that once in awhile. Thanks for posting it, looks fun.
+--- 57832898
+>>57832552
+I have always had an erection for cavalry carbines. I went with a Spanish fr8 though instead because it was cheaper to buy and to shoot
+--- 57832978
+>>57827341
+Does Lube need another new email?
+--- 57833058
+What length handguard should I use on my 18" barrel ar10?
+--- 57833061
+>>57833058
+Rifle length
+--- 57833124
+>>57833061
+13", 14" or 15"?
+--- 57833167
+>>57833124
+20"
+--- 57833185
+>>57833124
+>>57833167
+https://www.smftactical.com/products/308-hand-guard-kit.html
+get the 20"
+--- 57833531
+>>57830226
+Just gotta be patient. And know where to look.
+--- 57833720
+M1A is love
+M1A is life
+--- 57833739
+>>57833720
+--- 57833847
+Big sister
+Little sister
+:D
+Wish I could find wood for the SAR but oh well
+--- 57833966
+>>57825811
+t. owner of real ultimate power website
+--- 57833994
+I'm building a 12.5" meme AR10 bros, any optics you would recommend?
+--- 57834021
+>>57833994
+Some sort of red dot. What are you willing to spend?
+--- 57834083
+>>57834021
+Under 1k preferably. I got all the parts for ~$850 so I can stretch the optic budget a bit more.
+--- 57834108
+>>57833994
+Like >>57834021 says, dedicated 1x, you're not shooting for distance with that. If it's a pure cheapshit fun build then just get whatever minimal rds. If it's a fancier meme build (12.5" 30cal? really? or is this 8.6memeout subsonics?) and you want to larp with your nv or whatever maybe an eotek holo, or if you have shitty eyes and find etched reticles do better for you a quality 1x prism.
+Alternate option: get a fucking 12-60x HPVO (vector minotaur, just $450, made from finest chinesium metaloid materials!) scope that hangs right over the end of the barrel, a set of pit viper wraparound sunglasses, bright purple top hat, biohazard upper suit, a scottish kilt for your bottom (no underwear), and go to the range exclusively using the 500yd+ lanes. Post photos.
+--- 57834128
+>>57834108
+>Alternate option: get a fucking 12-60x HPVO (vector minotaur, just $450, made from finest chinesium metaloid materials!) scope that hangs right over the end of the barrel, a set of pit viper wraparound sunglasses, bright purple top hat, biohazard upper suit, a scottish kilt for your bottom (no underwear), and go to the range exclusively using the 500yd+ lanes. Post photos.
+mutter "they're always after me lucky charms" if anyone asks questions
+--- 57834143
+>>57834108
+>>57834128
+Kek, thanks for the ideas. I'll have to find a range near me with 500yd lanes. And it is indeed 30 cal. Like I said, it's a meme build.
+--- 57834795
+finally going to join a club for a private range today. 20-30min away isn't terrible. will be fun to see how that goes this summer.
+--- 57835309
+>>57834795
+Range by me is only 700 for a lifetime pass but all the cops train there :(
+Plus only 150y rifle range
+--- 57835819
+>>57835309
+no lifetime but $60/year isn't enough for me to be that concerned about giving a spin and seeing how it is.
+--- 57835865
+>>57835309
+>>57835819
+Lifetime memberships are well worth the cost depending upon your youth and peripatetic nature.
+--- 57835942
+>>57835865
+don't think they offer one, but again, vs $700 upfront I'd have to be going there for over 12 years. will they even still be in business? and the other $640 can go into an investment account or otherwise used immediately so it's actually more like a $15 year payoff. don't deny lifetime can be worth it in some places and circumstances at all but think that's a pretty fair price. anyway, wouldn't pay lifetime without first going there a little while and seeing what it's like right?
+--- 57836232
+Any idea if the Noveske dual ejector BCG will work with a an Aero M5 receiver and barrel extension?
+--- 57836280
+>>57836232
+How many times will it take for you to learn your lesson old man? You and the guy that asks about the Best Low Power Scope are probably one and the fucking same. Just buy it. If it doesn't work, return it for a refund. Asking the same idiots every thread won't solve your problem.
+--- 57836350
+>>57836232
+Dpms and sr25 pattern internals are the same. The receivers are not cross compatible >>57836232
+--- 57837135
+>>57835942
+>seeing what it's like
+>you can pick your house
+>but you can't pick your neighbors
+Memberships, like neighborhoods, can charge and evolve. I pity the fool who think they won't look back on "the good ol' days". Nostalgia comes with rose tint inherent.
+--- 57837274
+>>57837135
+Sure anon but culture and institutions can be surprisingly sticky as well in some cases. Even at huge scale. Pic related is a classic, a super simple, seemingly meaningless question, of what do you call that sweet carbonated flavored beverage that's ubiquitous nationwide? Soda, Pop, and Coke are the big three labels in the US. Yet the answer paints a wild view of different regions and history. This can be less true if there aren't many choices combined with inelastic demand, or if there is some sort of outside pressure, but if people are able to pick and there is some level of continuity that can get sticky. Like here if there was literally one place to shoot within hours, well guess you just have to suck it up. If it's a "eh, might be nice" and you don't like it, probably just won't renew, which means mostly only people who like it will stay and thus it'll self-perpetuate. If a place was expensive to run and membership shrank too much then they might feel forced to change to try to attract more, but a basic rural range is going to be pretty dirt cheap.
+--- 57837323
+>>57833058
+Just make sure it wont cover the adjustable gas block
+--- 57838340
+>>57837323
+Or has windows so you can adjust the gas with the handguard on.
+--- 57838397
+>>57833720
+>>57833739
+A fine rifle you have there.
+--- 57838405
+>>57834795
+It's really nice. During the week mine is basically empty so I almost always have the place to myself.
+--- 57838408
+>>57827341
+Listen to this man, he's your friend.
+>>>NEW&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; Mail what you want for the SAR bulk order to Lubeanon, check their catalog, if you don't find what you want there, try mailing him anyway
+>mail [email protected] and include your order-ID and order date to be included in the lube mailing list for news, updates, questions etc. [BETA TESTER LIST IS FULL]
+>lube available via Moka's shop, by /k/ommandos, for /k/ommandos
+CURRENTLY OUT OF STOCK
+>I'm not Lubeanon
+Reminder that SAR G3s will get you
+>sub 1 MOA
+http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.331
+>sub 0.5 in the DMR version
+http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.373
+>5 years guarantee
+>2 free check-ups
+>officially certified German master artisan (yes that's a thing) crafted weaponry
+>literally produced just 15 minutes away from the HK HQ
+>peerless reliability and unmatched quality
+>a gun that never even came CLOSE to grubby PTR hands
+>break in period? Are you gay? (/akg/ welcomes you)
+>trigger? Not shit!
+>the highest quality barrel
+>Polygonal rifling (none of that cheap L&amp;G PTR shit) coldforged and stress free annealed in a vacuum by Lothar Walther (rip)
+>national marksman competition winning accuracy
+Don't want an old school battle rifle?
+How about something newer than the SCAR for only 3k?
+>the HK417 (aka MR308 in the civilian version, HK original, so feel free to post better deals or deals in your region) is also available at SAR
+>precision, reliability, operator level gear and the ability to dunk on SCARfags*
+All that and more, only at SAR with worldwide shipping.**
+Buy SAR, buy quality.***
+*pls no spergerino SCARfrens we still love you
+**American import restrictions apply, blame your local governor/president
+***currently out of stock due to christmas sales and SARnon snagging up one of the last
+--- 57838423
+>>57835865
+I don't plan on moving but I'm trying to buy the next lot over to put a rifle range in.
+If they had a 1km DMR range is def just get the lifetime
+--- 57838424
+>>57825770 (OP)
+>Tfw the zipties shipped with the streamlight are too brittle.
+I will probably be coating or rattle canning the light, not sure on color
+>earth yellow
+>field drab
+>Ral 8000
+>coyote
+>
+--- 57838425
+>>57838408
+Lübeanon, widely renowned for providing the best lube around for /k/commandos by far, stepped up and offered to just proxybuy and ship them through Korbo's LLC in Arizona, he was offered an extra cut for his services but refused and preferred to do it for free. Buy some of his lube if you need a refill though.
+>what does that mean for me?
+Cheap European parts probably this winter INCLUDING PIC RELATED.
+Already got a PTR or intend to get one soon?
+Want SAR quality for your G3 clone but live under a tyrannical government that colludes with your gun lobby to restrict imports in any way possible?
+How about a high quality 1900g pull weight G3 match trigger for 400 bucks?
+http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.1013
+>not a refurbished old G3 trigger, actually a fresh product from their own production
+>all new parts, nothing recycled
+>long development to ensure quality that matches the rest of the M41 (SAR G3 clone)
+>triggerstop customizable to your taste
+>crisp break
+>completely SAR made from start to finish
+>high production quality, top quality surface treatment, finely CNC'd
+>improved spring
+>production via the highly accurate machines of SAR (it doesn't say whether machines refers to the actual machines or Germans here)
+>Black Rheinmetall finish over a corundum blazed surface (wow!)
+>No flimsy plastic
+>large precision increase if you have any idea how to shoot
+Get fucked HK Parts.
+--- 57838465
+>>57838424
+What scope?
+--- 57838472
+>>57832647
+For 600, might as well go for it.
+--- 57838563
+What were the lube rankings again? I think I screenshot it but don't want to go digging, but barfcom has me doubting SOTARacha, CherryBalmz is kill apparently, and I'm running low on OneShot, so looking to buy.
+Thanks!
+--- 57838605
+>>57838408
+>costs ein arm and ein leg + tip compared to my $1100 gunbroker PTR
+d-danke...
+--- 57838624
+Coomoil and Coomgrease, only option
+--- 57838654
+>>57838563
+Anon summarized it for you here >>57838624
+--- 57838663
+>>57838605
+Get the trigger for the PTR, thank me later. To poor for a 350$ import trigger from /k/? Get a job
+--- 57838725
+>>57838424
+That is a beautiful rifle.
+--- 57838816
+>>57838624
+Where does one acquire the coomgrease?
+--- 57838879
+>>57838563
+I use good ol ballistol for most stuff, break free clp for tougher cleaning, and slip2k for general dedicated lube. Got some of the nanolube stuff to try, guess a pretty old one, didn't seem any better or worse and formula was constantly jumping around so left it on the shelf and maybe will check back in a year. The stuff I have I know and have used from 35 below zero to 102 above and hasn't let me down so it's fine.
+Only ones I'd actively stay away from are anything obviously known toxic (motor oil for example) and natural stuff like coconut oil (froglube being a well known brand) which are liable to turn to glue if left sitting. Most well regarded synthetics are likely going to be OK so long as they publish a full data safety sheet that doesn't have any red flags.
+--- 57838882
+>>57838624
+>>57838654
+What were the other ones?
+--- 57838918
+>>57838879
+Reason I'm asking for the other ones is because of reading the aforementioned arfcom thread and re-reading the info on CherryBalmz' website, I'm wondering if I should try some of the more "technical" lubes instead of the ol' Hoppes or Slip 2000 or so on, but I can't remember what they were called, though I recall them placing pretty high on the lube list, right by the Coom. Was it Lucas Extreme and something else? I can't remember and my autism/OCD is going insane.
+--- 57839073
+>>57838816
+Time travel or killing Anons
+--- 57839109
+>>57838816
+Coom oil should be enough for everything you need. If not, send lubeanon money through paypal to get a grease prototype sent to you I guess. Shipping's expensive.
+--- 57839173
+>>57838465
+Poortex Strike Eagle 1-6, Derpcoated Ral-8000. May**get a Stiener Prism
+--- 57839570
+>>57838408
+>lube available via Moka's shop, by /k/ommandos, for /k/ommandos
+>CURRENTLY OUT OF STOCK
+Figures. I get ready to buy lube for my tube and anon is all out. Shaking my head in disappointment. How will I get my alone time enjoyment in the weekend now? Take my gun out dry?
+--- 57839610
+>>57839570
+Write Moka and ask for Coom amd Hentai Slings, I want that so bad
+--- 57839618
+>>57839570
+Yeah I'm waiting for the coom to come back too
+--- 57839800
+>>57838563
+>I think I screenshot it but don't want to go digging, but barfcom has me doubting SOTARacha, CherryBalmz is kill apparently, and I'm running low on OneShot, so looking to buy.
+Sotaracha is good for basic needs. Coomoil is better. Other stuff like CLP, Ezzox, Ballistol etc are pricey and don't beat Coomoil so best to get Coomoil for your most used or best piece, then sotaracha slathered on other stuff. Coomoil wins in quality, sotaracha wins in quantity and value. I use both, but go with your needs.
+--- 57840038
+>>57838918
+I've never heard of anyone being let down by slip2k ewl in any temperature or use conditions, nor if a gun has some put on it and then just sits for 6 months (though for seriously long term storage obviously grease is better than anything wet at the cost of maybe have to give it a clean first). I guess it's like, what more are you after here? Are your guns seizing up or something? Military seems to have no problem just using break free clp on absolutely everything.
+World of guns is vast so I won't claim there aren't situations where maybe something else is better, but until I find one myself kinda done with it.
+--- 57840092
+>>57839800
+>Other stuff like CLP, Ezzox, Ballistol etc are pricey
+I don't understand this. You can buy Ballistol by the fucking gallon and it's like, $0.85/oz. What the hell else is cheap? And anyway how is literally any lube "pricey" in the context of guns? You don't bathe the gun in it, couple of drops here and there and you're done for entire rounds. Even a 4 or 8oz bottle will last ages. The cost per outing is less then like, a single fucking bullet. What are people doing with lubes that it's a consumable they even think about beyond safety/performance?
+--- 57840098
+>>57840038
+I don't know if it's just /brg/ or humans being humans, but there are a LOT of RETARDS seeking extreme best scope, extreme best BCG, extreme best lube for no real reason other than they want what others think is the best giving no thought to what they need, use, value or own. What fucking losers.
+--- 57840119
+>>57840092
+>What the hell else is cheap?
+Sotaracha gives you a two quarts of use for $15.
+--- 57840166
+>>57840038
+>I guess it's like, what more are you after here?
+I guess, more or less, I'm just interested in trying more "new" (to me) stuff, see if there's any "room for improvement" or stuff like that because I like tinkering, and I've always been wary of crappy lubes since the winters in my neck of the woods can get both very cold AND very wet at the same time (most times it's a dry(ish), -35 or so sort of deal, but there's always days where it's much worse), and the summers retardedly humid/muggy, meaning my 'tism makes me stress about muh WHAT IF's.
+One of the reasons I like OneShot so much is because it's easy to just blast it in the gun and it apparently performs incredibly well compared to most stuff, but I end up going through a ton quickly and I figure I might do better by finding stuff I'm less likely to go overboard on, while maybe "performing" "better", or at least no "worse", etc.
+>(Also, I punctured a can of it in my bag once and got kicked out of the range one of the few times I actually went to one and not just shooting on my own or public land, so now I'm a little jaded)
+--- 57840185
+>>57840092
+>You don't bathe the gun in it
+I have a problem
+--- 57840230
+>>57840185
+Thinking the same thing. That anon probably doesn't own many guns or shoots much. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I have yet to see anyone on /brg/ provide PROOF that they shoot at least 400rounds a month, which I do. Not much compared to the pros, that go through 800rounds a week but a huge power gap from you average poster that owns palmettos or aeros.
+--- 57840274
+>>57840119
+How much does Mobil 1 cost near you? 5 quarts is like $40 at the O'Reilly's down the road near me.
+--- 57840282
+>>57839173
+Meh I need a MRAD something
+--- 57840328
+>>57840230
+I still douse my Scorpion in lube after bumpfiring 300 rounds in one trip, and that's a super simplistic direct-blowback gun, kek.
+My Mini, AK, and Nugget get the dowsing even moreso, for reasons I can't really explain, but they seem to run fine for the moment.... Other than the nugget being a giant POS and hurting my tender girlhands from beating on the bolt handle the entire time.
+--- 57840367
+>>57840274
+I started mixing sotaracha six years ago. Started my second quart in early 2021.
+>5 quarts is like $40 at the O'Reilly's down the road near me.
+It's so cheap, that Amazon doesn't even bother selling them by the quart because there is no money to be gained. Then you mix your full synthetic grease of choice and voila. It's literally that easy. I'll take an updated picture with Coomoil, tomorrow for sure....
+--- 57840417
+>>57840367
+Be more careful! You've spilled more than you've put in to mix apparently!
+Just kidding. Anyways, I guess I really should start using Amazon more often, I poo-poo it for no real good reason, and it's not like I can go to the general store anymore, it's all big box shit taken over, so I can't say MUH CORPORATIONS either now. I'll just submit and be a good consoomer.
+--- 57840462
+>>57840417
+>Be more careful! You've spilled more than you've put in to mix apparently!
+Mixing and pouring into a squirt bottle isn't easy. That's the part that took practice and skill. I'll take wax cardboard boxes from Wawa, the kind their burgers come in because they are in plentiful supply cause... REASONS, mix the grease and oil into a proper consistency, then pour the mix into a small Shiracha bottle.
+--- 57840564
+>>57840490
+That bun looks really sad and now I'm depressed too...
+--- 57840619
+>>57840490
+>>57840564
+>Dark room
+>No signs of life, pets or children
+>Mostly empty chocolate pretzel bag
+>Cheapest dollar value bun with nothing on it
+Anons, please don't take your life. It can get better, you will find that waifu if you try hard enough. When was the last time you talked to a woman with the intention of flirting? She's waiting for you to save her. You will find her, you only need to try. We're gonna make it brah.
+--- 57840628
+>>57840230
+>Thinking the same thing. That anon probably doesn't own many guns or shoots much
+That makes no sense still, because shooting a ton doesn't change the relative ratios at all. I can go through hundreds of rounds of 308 in dirty conditions without any sort of cleaning and lube. Straight from the horse's mouth with my MDR:
+>https://deserttech.com/media/download/MDRX-Manual-V2-Low-res.pdf
+>pg49: "Desert Tech recommends cleaning the MDRX every 1000 rounds in clean environments."
+And then it's mostly a few drops here and there. My other guns are even less finnicky, not more. And that's lined up with what I've shot. And again, 1000 rounds of 308 is going to be like $700-1500 depending on what you're shooting. A gallon of Break Free CLP is $90. Even if you just hosed the fucker it with 3-4 entire ounces of CLP (jesus), that'd be 4*(90/128)=$2.81. An entire couple of dollars, or 0.2-0.4% of ammo consumption.
+Seriously anons show me why LUBE is something you stress about on pricing. Are there guns you're running that have to be hosed down every other fucking mag or something? I mean sure, shoot what you like, but if I had to clean and lube a rifle more than a dozen someodd times before the entire barrel burns out I'd sell it unless I was very attached.
+--- 57840671
+>>57840619
+Hopefully it just looks worse than it is because it's in one of those stupid fucking noveau interior design schemes that's gotten so fucking popular and trendy where everything is cold colorless shades of grays/whites. Like living in a hospital.
+--- 57840767
+>>57840671
+Anon that moved with a bunch of bros? You had that sterile Home Depot showroom aesthetic before you moved. Kitchen is fine style wise, it just needs life and attitude. The Time Has Come, your parents are waiting for their grandkids and death is drawing closer with each day. You can only be selfish and think about your needs, your wants, your desires before you look at the man in the mirror, and an old gray wrinkled guy stares back.
+--- 57840823
+>>57839570
+Tactical reload is on the way.
+--- 57840844
+>>57840823
+--- 57840912
+>>57840767
+>Doesn't even have a spice rack
+Home Depot, step it up.
+--- 57841111
+>>57840564
+>>57840619
+Sad bun anon here. Signs of doggo and children present, I’m just super cheap on buns and like >>57840671 said it’s a cheaper condo interior. GF and I are renovating as time goes on.
+--- 57841176
+is it okay to get a ptr 91 without rail and get claw mount? or is welded the way to go
+--- 57841207
+>>57841111
+--- 57841240
+>>57841176
+>is it okay to get a ptr 91 without rail and get claw mount?
+I'm in the anti-claw camp. For many reasons. Expensive. They will gouge out your rifle. They don't hold zero. Not drop safe or drop proof. Claw itself will break on you, something I haven't seen happen on a pic rail. Why do you want a Claw mount? Convince me why it's better.
+--- 57841300
+>>57841176
+Welded unless you are looking for very specific larp stuff.
+--- 57841318
+>>57840282
+Trijicon 2-10, or if poor I think the Viper PST's have it
+--- 57841519
+>>57828634
+I appreciate you following through. Cute buns.
+--- 57841611
+>>57840619
+Forgot bad counter
+Nice gun though
+--- 57841661
+>>57833739
+>>57833720
+Fellow Ruuuun Through the Jungle chad.
+--- 57841889
+Why can’t the Sig 716i have an 18” barrel with adjustable gas ugh
+--- 57841927
+>>57841176
+Just get an MFI rail if you want a rail, at least you can remove them at leisure and they’re relatively cheap and available.
+--- 57841943
+>>57841176
+For practical, welded, for aesthetic and proper G3 vibes: without. If you don’t want to rock a claw mount, you can get a MFI or B&amp;T mount like my old one in pic. It held zero and was a great way to mount optics. I went with the claw mount to do proper G3 DMR vibes. I had to dremel my receiver to get the stanag claw mount to work but no pain, no gain.
+>>57841207
+Thanks bru
+>>57841611
+Also TY. I love my PTR. Question for you all; I want a 30mm scope for this, and I want something that fits the aesthetic of clone-correct Zeiss optics that were fielded with G3. Does anyone have a modern optic that would do the trick?
+--- 57842140
+>>57830904
+Not sure but I'm thinking of getting either the Helos or the Burris Veracity 2-10.
+--- 57842315
+>>57827264
+I tried ordering from RTG parts which makes me wonder why the order failed if it worked for >>57827321
+The payment went through (they refunded it when the order was canceled) and I live in texas so idk what the issue is.
+--- 57842339
+>>57825770 (OP)
+sell/trade galil ace gen 1 pistol and cop BR? sig tread looking kinda gud…
+--- 57842377
+>>57840490
+chocolate always gets the /brg/ romance going
+--- 57842464
+>>57842315
+When I said in the mail I meant email. I had plenty of mags so I didn't buy any more. You didn't say a name at the time so when I suggested RTG it was just the first to come to mind.
+--- 57842624
+>>57842464
+I must be dyslexic. But yeah that place keeps canceling my order, Ill give them a call tomorrow and see why they deny my god given right to cheap g3 mags.
+--- 57842789
+>>57838425
+Is this real and how does one get?
+--- 57843558
+>>57842789
+Send a mail to Lubeanon, his friend does the import for Anons and gunshops once the needed value for SAR is reached
+--- 57843960
+Have a crackpot idea.
+How hard do you reckon it'd be to make a retro reciever/parts set for a Ruger SFAR?
+I really like the idea of a retro M-16A1 sized AR, but in .308.
+I'm thinking Portuguese AR-10 style.
+Reuse the same BCG and barrel extension from the SFAR, have a new 20" barrel turned for it.
+Laser scan the internal dimensions, work up a retro exterior model in CAD, then CNC some new receivers using billet 6061 aluminum.
+Also design a new charging handle and handguard reminiscent of the Portuguese AR-10. Drill and pin a new FSB on the 20" barrel. A1 stock and grip.
+Thoughts? Can't be that hard. I have a bit of machining experience and some good friends who have done custom gun stuff before.
+--- 57844011
+>>57833994
+That's actually not as retarded as it seems. Go with 13.5" bull barrel and you can pretend it's a SCAR. IIRC short bull barrels were preferred in special forces DMR setups, if you're staying in the 200-350yd range it's ideal.
+Pic semi related, it seems like it's actually kinda rare for actual in-field-use .308 DMRs to have barrels longer than 16in. I'll find the anon who explained why it's viable
+--- 57844038
+>>57844011
+>tldr: some cartridges lose relatively less energy than others when lowering barrel length
+--- 57844092
+>>57840230
+>I have yet to see anyone on /brg/ provide PROOF that they shoot at least 400rounds a month
+That makes two of us. I shoot about that much that split between 5.56 and 9mm just because .308 has been expensive and hard to find locally and most ammo companies refuse to ship to my state (blessed be RTG). I have to actively restrict how much ammo I bring to the range because I only come back with guns.
+>>57841176
+If you're going to actually go out and shoot it a lot, I'd say welded. If it's going to be a range/safe queen, go with the claw for pure aesthetics
+--- 57844335
+>>57840619
+I hate women. I don't want one in my life.
+--- 57844403
+>>57844038
+This oversimplifies somewhat though. Like yeah, check a barrel/velocity table and do the math for your target use range and what you're after, but overly short barrel has other effects like much bigger flash bang out the end, which obviously is an effect by itself in terms of noise/lightshow but also obviously then also goes into any can one might want to use. Lot of cans have minimum barrel lengths they're warranted for in a given cartridge. Also while it shouldn't matter in this case from a quick glance, if MV changes enough it might need a different twist to achieve desired stabilization. I guess just don't forget the whole spectrum of effects is all.
+Not that any of this has anything to do with anon just wanting to do an awesome silly fun memebuild.
+--- 57844512
+>>57841661
+Yezzir
+Gonna get a sadlak mount here soon for a m21 clone. Is the steel really worth the extra money over the aluminum?
+--- 57844613
+>>57840619
+he has a pet/kid gate so definitely one or the other
+--- 57844795
+>>57841943
+What ranges are you looking at shooting also price
+--- 57844928
+>>57844335
+Having been married and divorced and with girlfriend, women can make or break a good man. A good one will help you unlock your highest potential. And you should do the same for her, too.
+>>57844613
+Both, my bru. Doggo is much easier.
+>>57844795
+Range: 400 to 500 meters, well in the PTR’s range
+Budget: upwards of 1k. I have a budget Burris on there now that isn’t awful, but using 1inch inserts is sketchy and is rather rock the proper G3 DMR vibe.
+--- 57845039
+Mornin Frens
+--- 57845161
+>>57845039
+Morn.
+--- 57845249
+>>57845039
+>>57845161
+Gm friends
+--- 57845660
+>>57845039
+>Mornin
+>10am
+>Not getting up before the sun does
+Low
+T
+Niggas
+--- 57845732
+>>57845660
+>the world is one timezone
+--- 57845932
+>>57842377
+BW LKS Chad, love that rig to death, putting together my third one, have an old setup I threw together
+--- 57845979
+>>57844011
+>Go with 13.5" bull barrel and you can pretend it's a SCAR.
+That is a good idea, but I've already committed to my full retard 12.5" barrel. I'll keep that in mind.
+--- 57845995
+>>57845660
+>Not sleeping until the babby starts crying
+I need those extra sleep cycles
+--- 57846376
+Got tired of taking the bayonet adapter out whenever I swapped to this handguard.
+--- 57846492
+>>57846376
+Careful anon, a few more inches and you might have "accidentally" made a fully semi autoerotic bayonet.
+--- 57848207
+Fuck, I really dont want to go with a buffer tube adapter but I think that might be the best option unless i can ask Kalashnicarver for a reduced angle clubfoot.
+--- 57848250
+>>57846147
+Whats the deal with those blue bullets?
+--- 57848307
+i'm bringing back hose clamps
+--- 57848349
+>>57848307
+>honeycomb optic
+wat
+--- 57848387
+>>57848349
+never seen an ARD newfag nogunz?
+--- 57848586
+>>57848349
+The Apache always knew where the Cavalry was from the glint off their spyglasses. If bluecoats into honeycomb hideout heap big scalps on belts.
+--- 57848647
+>>57848349
+Lenses work in mysterious way, if you put something right in front you won't see it, it'll just appear less bright. So it reduces shine but you can still look through it.
+--- 57848788
+>>57848307
+Ok, do it work and where can I get one?
+--- 57848882
+>>57848647
+huh, more effective then a shaded lens or other shade? neat.
+--- 57848886
+>>57848250
+Candy bullets blue raspberry flavor.
+--- 57848891
+>>57848882
+ok so it also hides reflection. makes sense, same idea as screen window.
+--- 57849424
+>>57848788
+it work. get on internet
+--- 57849498
+>>57848788
+--- 57849700
+>>57848886
+>taste the rainbow
+--- 57850079
+>>57848349
+>he doesn't know about the corn optics
+--- 57850121
+>>57850079
+honestly I did not. for all shit shit on /k/ one thing that I love is after decades just seeing other anons guns and learning something new from a single picture. wish people still posted as many actual guns and groups as once happened.
+--- 57850366
+Sig Tread $1,349 wat do
+--- 57850396
+>>57850366
+ruger sfar $900
+--- 57850399
+>>57850366
+>Sig Tread $1,349 wat do
+You do what you want with your money, but I haven't ever seen a confirmed, verified report of a Sig Tread being bad. Ruger Sfar does more nifty, cutting edge things but I have seen 3 different confirmed varied people having problems with them. Is 3 bad samples out of 5,000 a deal breaker for you? Other wise, the Sig Tread is the best of the budget AR10s. Much like the M&amp;P10 but that rifle isn't as nice or have as many from the factory extra features.
+--- 57850432
+>>57850121
+For you my new fren. Let me tell you about my leetle fren, it's heavier than you'd expect. 30rnd mags are heavy. The man purse (murse) carries 4 30s and was from Galati (sp). It's a nice solution, but last I checked, wasn't shown on thier web site. Gear for 30rnd .308 mags can be problematic, but you can always bungee cord an open top or cut your flap off and do the same. The best accessory is the Versapod grip, it's a solid handle on a less than perfect ergonomics (and heavy) gun. The little spout takes a qd bipod, so ...cool.
+ Normally I'm not so blabby, thx 4 rdn. Oh, yes, a piccatiny bottle opener frame right because ...cool.
+--- 57850481
+>>57850432
+those carry handles are super flimsy.
+use AK mag pouches. my 25 rounders get swallowed up by 'em.
+--- 57850551
+>>57850396
+I like Ruger but not their semi-auto offerings.
+>>57850399
+Yeah I agree
+--- 57850572
+>>57850432
+thanks a bunch anon, looks very fun.
+--- 57851105
+>>57850481
+>those carry handles are super flimsy.
+Totally agree, unusable and came off before seeing dirt.
+>>57850572
+Np, welcome.
+--- 57851150
+>>57850366
+>Sig Tread $1,349 wat do
+Sig is probably lowering their price to clear stock to make room for the Sig Spear 6.8 and .308 that are in production.
+--- 57851161
+>>57848886
+Did some research and they appear to be cheap 308 German training rounds.
+Will my Aero AR10 eat them? I only seen videos of them being used in G3 derivatives which need a special bolt.
+--- 57851189
+>>57850399
+>I haven't ever seen a confirmed, verified report of a Sig Tread being bad.
+I've seen a thread on SIG Talk about extractor issues, and there's a few YT videos about the same thing, but I'm not sure if those were earlier gens. Not any better or worse than simple QC fixes on the SFAR (still a problem, but if you don't know how to properly re-align a gas block, I'm not sure you should own firearms in the first place, for example.), along with plenty of other good reviews. Hot new thing gets some bad reviews and people latch onto it, a few sour grapes spoil the bunch and all that, but I really don't think you can go wrong with either and any problems either may or may not have had/are having are vastly misproportioned in my opinion.
+--- 57851268
+Alright, just picked up my first BR. I am excited but think I'm going to change it up some. I'm thinking off going with a socom ace stock, PRI handguard and an 18" fluted barrel. And maybe swapping the mk4 MRT for a mk4 LRT. Thoughts?
+--- 57851282
+>>57851189
+Also, while I know it's SORT OF a "pain", following Ruger's instructions for break-in and using the right gas settings shouldn't be so hard for some of these "reviewers" desufampai. (Turkey's Opinion comes to mind, if I'm not misremembering)
+--- 57851325
+>>57851268
+PRI Handguard YES
+Mucho sexo
+--- 57851377
+>>57851268
+>Thoughts?
+You're putting $800 worth of changes and upgrades when you could have just bought a better rifle. Shaking my head. Maybe you should have just built it from the ground up instead of getting a complete base to work from.
+--- 57851413
+>>57851377
+I mostly bought it because of the scope. It's a $1600 scope and I paid $1600 for the whole thing.
+--- 57851416
+>>57851268
+No real thoughts beyond
+a) congrats on an awesome new funz and first battlerifle.
+b) personally not a fan of fluted barrels but shoot it a bit as you have it first and get a feel for how it runs and what you want to do with it (if you haven't already).
+--- 57851427
+>>57851413
+>It's a $1600 scope and I paid $1600 for the whole thing.
+--- 57851433
+>>57851413
+nta but yeah that's a solid scope, and at that pricing it's "scope, with free br to go with it", but maybe in that case just do the minimum and drive the thing into the ground and then follow that advice later to build something else to put the scope on. But that sounds like an awesome purchase. I got my scope at a real discount too, one of the only two good gun deals of my life but fun when it happens.
+--- 57851442
+>>57848349
+Insect vision mode
+--- 57851488
+>>57848349
+It gives you 32x different views of your target from different angles for the best precision.
+--- 57851492
+>>57832417
+unironically just look at PA's optics, for &lt;$400 you'll find something decent. use that until you either break it or out grow it
+--- 57851527
+Can anyone ID this muzzle device?
+--- 57851547
+>>57851377
+>>57851433
+i've heard people say that DPMS is bad quality before. is that why you're saying it's not a good rifle? i have a DPMS in 5.56 but i've never had any problems with it.
+--- 57851592
+>>57851547
+nta honestly don't know anymore but they were brought a private equity place and then got sold again during remington's bankruptcy and that kind of jumping around is rarely great. also remember problems tend to be statistical. if a company has 35% fail rate? thats fucking abysmal but also means 2/3 of customers had no issue. if you put few hundreds rounds through and runs perfect then same as most guns might be fine, just would be cautious about sinking a lot in day 1 is all.
+--- 57851600
+>>57851547
+>is that why you're saying it's not a good rifle?
+I'm a man of value and cost saving. I built my ADM over six months by buying parts on sale. For my Sniper rifle I saved $1200 cash, then got it on credit and paid it off in three months. I'll wait for black friday, Christmas, 4th of july and other sales instead of buying something I want or need right away.
+$1600 plus $800 parts = $2400
+You could get an entry LMT, an ADM .308 or DD V4 for similar prices.
+--- 57851846
+>>57851600
+Link to lmt for $2400?
+--- 57851868
+>>57851846
+Travel back in time 6years. Learn this simple trick from the pros.
+--- 57851897
+>>57851868
+Unfortunately speed limit around here is 65mph. I can't go 88mph, that'd be breaking the law :(
+--- 57851909
+>>57851268
+>>57851325
+Just dont buy one that covers the gas block
+--- 57851967
+>>57851527
+Pretty cool, 2nd to Viper brake.
+--- 57851985
+>>57851897
+Breaking the law is wrong, I learned that watching Buffy. More people should watch Buffy.
+--- 57852034
+>>57851985
+this anon knows what's up
+--- 57852071
+>>57851985
+I have never broken a law.
+:^)
+--- 57852089
+>>57850399
+Tread is good imo. Buy it
+--- 57852091
+>>57851909
+Why not?
+--- 57852214
+>>57852091
+If you force the poor thing to clench and hold the gas in that eventually it'll come out as a huge stinky wet one and everyone in the range will turn and look at you and you'll be SO embarrassed.
+--- 57852246
+>>57852214
+H-hot...
+--- 57852293
+>>57851268
+why do you want SFP with lame ass reticle? get an accupoint 3-9 if you're willing to put up with that. also 18 inches has no meaningful benefit over 16. and get a 6.5 mememore barrel.
+not sure what that ace stock does better than an A1, looks heavier.
+i can tell you're going for an SPR clone in .308 or whatever, but there's a reason nobody builds rifles for serious use like that anymore
+--- 57852371
+>>57852293
+>Nobody builds rifles for serious use like that anymore
+Why? I have a 5.56 mk12 mod 0 clone and it's fucking awesome.
+--- 57852390
+>> 57823314
+Damn, the man I’ve tried for years to copy finally did away with the beautiful wood.
+You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
+--- 57852395
+>>57852390
+>>57823314 →
+Goddamnit.
+--- 57852410
+>>57852390
+>>57852395
+Sometimes people change as they get older. We are all subject to the gnawing winds of eternity :(
+--- 57852444
+>>57852410
+We’ll I hope you’re happy as the person you’ve become.
+I’m still gonna do it though.
+>I cropped out the tip of this guy’s penis.
+--- 57852495
+>>57852444
+Sorry to be clear I'm not him, I still like wood even though I do have a BR now without it, I'm just commenting that I've seen friends change, and hell I can't deny I have as well. Haven't lost a lot of core stuff I loved but no sometimes I do wish I had taken different paths. Nothing for it though.
+Personally I wish you luck on your vision and think the wood looks good. I wish it was possible to get wood, even if it was on plastic or metal, versions of some bullpups or other wild designs.
+--- 57852884
+>>57852371
+i already stated why. basically the only good part is the handguard
+--- 57854295
+>>57825770 (OP)
+Washington fags, time has been bought for you:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LBv4_H0Ejk [Embed]
+--- 57856514
+Mornin boop
+--- 57856627
+Morning frens
+--- 57857156
+>>57856514
+Nice Silencer. When B&amp;T releases their mini for 5.56 in the Surefire Warcomp compatible base, I might have to get one.
+--- 57857233
+>>57851105
+RFB fren!
+--- 57857364
+>>57856627
+Morning anon
+--- 57857373
+Why is the APC10 so heavy?
+--- 57857385
+>>57857373
+I meant APC308
+Can't wait until Steyr DMR comes out. Or maybe a SAKO clone
+--- 57857690
+>>57856514
+wat rail covers
+--- 57857867
+>>57857690
+Your AK isn't done cooking, friend. Put it back in the oven for a while?
+--- 57857984
+>>57857233
+>Foregrip on a short barrel
+Hello, FBI?
+--- 57857996
+Hey frens, do you know anything about these?
+https://luxdeftec.eu/ldt%20products/ldt%20hsg/ldt%20hsg41
+There's one available locally but 900€ sounds too good to be true
+--- 57858046
+>>57857867
+The .358 Win BLR is it’s chaperone here
+--- 57858050
+>>57858046
+Always good to make sure the kids are chaperoned
+--- 57858246
+>>57857984
+>he doesn't know
+--- 57858265
+>>57858046
+Wise choice.
+--- 57858867
+>>57858046
+Gotcha, couldn't really tell what it was at first glance. A solid choice, friend
+--- 57859001
+>>57857690
+Ummmmm I think they're just old fde magpul rubbery ones. That rifle is almost totally a parts bin rifle. Always keep MBT2 triggers in the parts bin.
+--- 57859663
+>>57857156
+Kek it's just a warden m8
+I refuse to get a tax stamp out of principle
+--- 57859989
+>>57852444
+where did you get the 901 front sight? i found the block for sale but it doesn't have the actual sight post on it.
+--- 57860127
+>>57850366
+I did a thing
+--- 57860233
+>>57860127
+Based
+--- 57860320
+>>57856627
+Where the FUCK do you people find wide handguards nowadays?
+--- 57860367
+>>57860320
+There was a modern repro at robert's place.
+--- 57860426
+>>57860320
+Mail me and i try to clear some.
+--- 57860482
+>>57860426
+lube, do you need people who previously mailed you about the sar triggers to do so again?
+--- 57861170
+>>57860482
+Yes, im making a list of all items for k. SARshill makes another list for gunshops.
+--- 57861236
+Shot my PTR for the first time in years today. Bought it in 2021 but I couldn't have hands on it consistently until recently. I must've gotten lucky, because I haven't had a single malfunction with it besides a FTF I accidentally induced. Great rifle, I love the thing.
+--- 57861354
+>>57857996
+Never heard of them. Be the first!
+--- 57861671
+>>57857996
+>There's one available locally but 900€
+>900€
+I only speak AMERICAN.
+--- 57861694
+>name all the countries that use metric that landed men upon the moon?
+I'll wait.
+--- 57861763
+Is the Tavor 7 really the best bullpup battle rifle?
+Does it also have the ironic problem with holocausting you if it’s suppressed?
+--- 57861817
+>>57861763
+spending $2000 to group 2+ inches is retarded, especially on a modern gun
+--- 57861877
+>>57861763
+Does anyone here even have one? I've seen all the 308 battle rifles get posted here EXCEPT the T7
+--- 57861903
+>>57861763
+>Is the Tavor 7 really the best bullpup battle rifle?
+No, though it's one of the decent choices. There is no perfect bullpup BR though and I say that as someone who owns and likes one. All of them have tradeoffs. But all of the top newer ones are also solid and a ton of fun in varying ways, so I don't think you'd go wrong with whatever you liked so long as you make sure you understand what you're after and have the budget. Tavor 7 does have a 4 position AGB iirc so I assume if you pair that with a low backpressure can you should be able to tune it alright. How good a suppressor platform something is though is one of the things that can vary.
+Also there are other advances to take into account, like if this year one of the more advanced flow through designs get applied to 30cal a lot of that tradeoff may go away on nearly any BR platform at all.
+--- 57861950
+>>57861817
+Everything I’ve seen points to about 1.5 MOA which isn’t bad.
+>>57861903
+Which ones do you think are better? The MDR? RFB? MDR seems cool in theory, but it seems like they’re super hit or miss on quality. I don’t want to spend $3k on a lemon. I’ve heard good things about the RFB, but again it’s leltec so who knows what you’re actually gonna get.
+I just want a bullpup battle rifle that is “combat ready” and the Tavor platform is battle proven (against unarmed children)
+--- 57861958
+>>57861950
+And I really wish there were more options. I would buy a 7.62 AUG in a heartbeat
+--- 57862008
+>>57861877
+>Does anyone here even have one? I've seen all the 308 battle rifles get posted here EXCEPT the T7
+I think I saw one in one of the bullpup general threads, maybe a month ago? But yeah if there's a /brg/ anon with one would love impressions, I only got to shoot one once last year, was fun but not like I own one, I have an mdr. Damn heavy beast though, even for a bullpup. Trigger wasn't as good but good enough. Apparently it's not that accurate (again, even for a bullpup), though 2-4moa would still be gudenuf for hunting if you really wanted. I can't speak to that personally because I didn't shoot it enough for my own groups to mean anything.
+Also forgot to mention one kinda interesting thing is that with the gas block one of the positions is just "off", you can literally turn it into a purely manual repeater. Can't remember seeing that before.
+--- 57862064
+>>57862008
+Yeah, I'm interested in a breakdown from someone who actually owns one too. I love love love my RFB but I was going to get a T7 as a second choice. There's just not much practical info out there.
+--- 57862091
+>>57862008
+How do you like the MDR?
+>>57862064
+How do you like the RFB?
+Pros and cons of both?
+--- 57862100
+>>57861950
+where are you seeing that? overwhelmingly people report 2-4 MOA.
+--- 57862126
+>>57861958
+>I would buy a 7.62 AUG in a heartbeat
+From God to you and me, fren!
+--- 57862154
+>>57861950
+>Which ones do you think are better?
+I mean, I'm not trying to fuck with you anon or be waffly when I say that doesn't have a clear answer. I researched it a lot, I shot them a bunch, and I went with an MDR, but it does have one real design flaw/really weird choice (fixed block tied to rail section), whose importance will vary a bit. They've massively improved on quality, if you buy one right now you're getting a significant number of improvements, but there absolutely can still be lemons. Of my two, one worked perfectly, liked it enough got another (admittedly during coof off of shekelbroker), and it failed after one single shot. But then on another side, their warranty service was as good as I could wish. Zero bullshit, told them the problem, they sent me a label, paid for shipping both ways, had it done in a few weeks and that was over the xmas/new years holiday season too, and they also gave me upgrades to recent improvements. Which doesn't change the fact it broke after one shot and then I didn't have it for three weeks. They should bring everything in house already.
+But I still love the thing. I can do 1.5moa groups with limited practice after finding the right ammo. Non-float block makes it stupid picky though for such an expensive gun. But T7 is apparently not a sub-moa hole driller either? It's lighter and shorter than the T7, like the trigger better (but variable), better after market, it has a 6 position block vs 3+off, forward eject is actually pretty cool. Split rail doesn't matter to me because I'm only using an LPVO, it could be a deal breaker for someone else, T7 is superior in that regard. They're both pretty ambi friendly. Then there's a bunch of little details, like grip storage, 3rd mag release, differences in rear bolt catch etc. A lot of that is really subjective.
+If MDR had floating block, better rail setup, and if their 2023 efforts show real quality improvement I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. As it stands though maybe T7?
+--- 57862215
+>>57862154
+sorry for wall of text. Also I've seen mine go down to 1.3moa, which still isn't amazing, but haven't been able to do that consistently, and that itself is one of the issues, it's too damn picky in that regard. A very comprehensive review technically did submoa, but only with one single brand of ammo out of like dozens tested. And when I wrote about trigger varying, mind is 4 lbs something, but others have seen 5.5 lbs, which again is an example of inconsistent quality control. But they did a huge apology video a year ago and said they'd improve, so maybe it's better?
+But that mere fact of rapid change is another problem. Tavor 7 has just plain been around longer, it's stable, you know what you get right? DT, like Keltec, continues to iterate, which in one way is a good thing, I mean shit, better to keep polishing something then just ignore flaws. But I can't give them full credit since it's not trivial to tell where you stand, and obviously it'd be better if it was smoother all along.
+I liked shooting the RFB too for what it's worth, though again I don't own one. I had one fte though with it and found it hard to clear that vs the others as one example downside.
+Guess this is all a lot of words to say it's a gun I like but that also gives me an idea of its faults and they're real. Don't want anyone to be disappointed. Guess I will lean towards suggesting the 7 might be best because you don't sound like you want to deal with any fiddling and I cannot honestly say with an MDR anything more than "you'll get there in the end". Check back in 2024/2025? Otherwise T7 is probably "safer".
+--- 57862226
+>>57862091
+Great gun. Took a short break in period but after that I haven't had any issues that weren't mag related (using thermolds has never worked out so I just stick to steel/aluminum FAL mags). I've almost exclusively shot cheap M80 ball through it, and it groups around 2-2.5 MOA on my rifle. I did put a couple boxes of M118 through and I remember it being noticeably tighter at 100yds. Honestly I need to go buy a bunch of different higher quality ammo and see how it goes. With just regular M80 I've had good results from 0-500 yds, though. The steel rings and it's fun.
+Pros: The gas adjustment is insane on this thing, there's 34 clicks on mine. You can make it run basically anything and have an enjoyable experience, mild recoil, etc. Other than that the usual bullpup perks of small package. Also the RFB definitely has one of the best stock triggers of the bullpups.
+Cons: FAL mags. If you can't find good steel/aluminum, you'll have to settle for the various polymers. I don't like em at all, so I just paid up for the good stuff. People meme about plastic gun but only the lower assembly is actually plastic. The rest of it is all metal, making it pretty hefty (in a good way). If you're an accessory guy then the rail space might be lacking, even if you install the handguard rail. I'm still trying to figure out if/how I want to put a light on mine.
+Can't think of much more to say other than it just werks
+--- 57862237
+>>57862154
+>warranty service was as good as I could wish. Zero bullshit, told them the problem, they sent me a label, paid for shipping both ways, had it done in a few weeks
+Anyone should be able to admit it doesn't get better that that. SW, Ruger, Winchester name it, couldn't do better. Except sell guns that work the first time. Still, that's pretty great service.
+--- 57862239
+>>57862100
+Arfcom, boomer forums, Reddit, various YouTubers. I’ve seen reports of worse accuracy too, but more recent reviews seem to trend towards 1.5 MOA
+>>57862154
+I appreciate the well thought out post. I have seriously considered the MDR in the past. Cool gun when it works, but definitely would not consider it a rugged milspec rifle
+--- 57862281
+>>57862226
+How do you find the build quality to be? On par with milspec rifles?
+>>57862237
+>Except sell guns that work the first time
+I mean that’s pretty important. If I wanted a gun that didn’t work, I’d just buy a Turkish shotgun
+--- 57862356
+>>57862237
+>Except sell guns that work the first time
+Right, well that's the kicker ain't it? Their service is good enough that it moves to "tradeoff" territory vs "dealbreaker" territory to me, in that I got a lemon and they really took care of me. They even called me up to check on how it was going after. But at the same time damn, there do seem to be a lot of lemons period. And no one WANTS to get a new gun, pull it out of the box, fire it up and whoops, off for service! But then again it's worked great ever since, in bad conditions, and down to 30 below zero, so it's not inherently unreliable either, which makes it different from real shit designs. So yeah.
+>>57862239
+>I appreciate the well thought out post.
+Glad if it was any help, sorry again for words, was kind of thinking it through as I wrote. And fwiw, again anecdotal, but it seems like a bathtub curve gun. IF it shoots 300 rounds, it's probably going to be good for 3000 or 6000 rounds. Friend had an original gen 1 MDR (not MDRX) even, did the free kit but that still didn't bring it to mdrx and yet it's still been chewing steadily along no problem. So I guess once broken in I do trust it. But getting there? Wish it was better.
+>a rugged milspec rifle
+Yeah probably not if only because of that rail section bit. If you wanted to stick a cozeroed MAWL or front NV/FLIR or whatever on there it's just not going to work. And that is a design, not QC issue.
+--- 57862395
+>>57862281
+I'm no machinist/metal expert/etc, but in my experience it's a solid rifle, certainly not milspec but it isn't too far off. Haven't had anything break yet, although I have seen people post about welds failing due to spotty QC. I bought mine "used" off GB but it was basically new, very low serial number but had all of the gas system/bolt improvements.
+--- 57862400
+>>57862356
+>Their service is good enough that it moves to "tradeoff" territory vs "dealbreaker"
+A valid perspective.
+--- 57862420
+How cool is that?
+--- 57862436
+>>57862420
+that is pretty cool
+--- 57862459
+>>57862420
+Kind of a funny chicken headstamp. Loading M14 mags so zen for me. Enjoy my National Geographic cover quality 7x eye loope and cell cam photograph.
+--- 57862469
+>>57862356
+also purely as an aside because was discussing it on /brg/ like two threads ago with another MDR owner, I just learned yesterday the apparent reason for their strange rail/block design and the reason itself was SO FUCKING WEIRD. So like, apparently it's tied in with the modular caliber system they're proud of, where you can take any MDR and convert it from 30cal straight down to SBR. They sell this dinky little cheap pistol style RDS with a strange custom mount that attaches directly to that single rail section, and the idea is that you'd buy a bunch of these and have one for each barrel assembly, so you can have them all zeroed separately tied to a specific barrel assembly and go from 5.56 to 308 or whatever in the field and have an RDS work right away with no rezeroing, and this is supposed to be some neat thing worth all the tradeoffs. And somebody powerful likes it so much they've resisted all efforts to change it.
+Those fucking mormons man.
+>>57862395
+I wonder, for some of these guns used might almost be better than new? Like, if it's only been used 500 rounds or something, in 308 that isn't much wear at all but now you know it's broken in and isn't an oob lemon.
+--- 57862481
+>>57862420
+>>57862459
+based
+--- 57862528
+>>57862469
+All of my bullpups were bought "used" off fuddbroker and every time I've opened the box they were basically new. Considering the deals I got for them and how well they're working out I am not complaining at all.
+--- 57862582
+>>57833720
+very nice
+--- 57862761
+>>57862215
+one final thing, the multicaliber is potentially interesting, but not to me so not sure how to rate it. But I can see some people liking that you can take an mdr and go to 5.56/223 or 300bo or sneed, or even third party, you can actually do 350 legend and 450 bushmaster from es. If someone lived in a state with restrictions on bottleneck cartridge use, that itself might be a killer feature vs any other bullpup on the market or even a bunch of brs.
+Since I don't though I can't really think of why I'd use that vs buying another gun, so didn't even really think about it, yet it is technically neat? Dunno.
+--- 57862880
+>>57862481
+It's just such a wonderful endorphin release. I think because I must really enjoy recycling cardboard. I just want to do my part for a better world.
+--- 57862898
+>>57862528
+>"used" off fuddbroker and every time I've opened the box they were basically new. Considering the deals I got for them and how well they're working out I am not complaining at all.
+Weird, my "trust issues radar" would be telling me they were dumping lemons. Nice score.
+--- 57862913
+>>57862898
+Don't get me wrong, I was apprehensive at first too, but I checked everything I could and tried to cover my bases and it all worked out. Now if only DM had the low mounts in stock for ps90s, I'd be all set.
+--- 57862915
+>>57862761
+I think those kinds of features are cool, but are they *actually* accessible and easy to take advantage of?
+As an AUG fag, the AUG is great because you can theoretically convert it from an LMG, to a carbine, to a 9mm PCC with a few easy swaps. In reality, barrels are sparse if not unicorn levels of rare and expensive, and 9mm kits number within the hundreds. I feel like that’s the case with most of these “multi-purpose” guns
+--- 57862917
+>>57862880
+>I just want to do my part for a better world
+Then go plant some trees. You'll be lucky if half the shit you "recycle" actually gets re-used.
+--- 57863001
+>>57862917
+Just ran the chain saw today. Hoping to poach some ocelots in the fall.
+--- 57863072
+>>57862915
+>but are they *actually* accessible and easy to take advantage of?
+Yes, absolutely. It's a big thing for them, one of their core features they're enthusiastic about, kits a readily available. Go look, everything is in stock that I can see right now. So that at least is not an issue, and bunch of anons have done it even. Not hard either, I've seen people swap em in like 10min or less, though I assume doing it the first time would take longer. ES's take like 3-4 months apparently, but that's a super high end comp type of ultra custom job where you can specify different twists, fluting styles if you want even, so doesn't strike me as a weird it'd take awhile.
+So they're in no way unicorns, but they are damn expensive, and that's another point in the T7's favor, it's just plain cheaper. Like a solid $250-450 off the gun, that's real money. And you could have any MDR conversion kit you wanted and have it next week, but they're $700-1000 each. You could get a decent basic full standard pattern BR for that, even if sure it's much less then another bullpup.
+--- 57863177
+>>57862226
+Lucky Irishman handguards are pretty slick looking when you have the rail connector installed. Without it they look goofy to me. I have an idea for another handguard in my head, but unfortunately I am terrible at putting in-my-head ideas on paper due to my incredible retardation.
+--- 57863630
+>>57861763
+In terms of performance, features and theoretical quality where it just works?
+MDRx > Tavor > Aug > RFB
+In terms of real life use and what actually works as advertised?
+Aug > Tavor > RFB > MDRx
+--- 57863696
+>>57862898
+>Weird, my "trust issues radar" would be telling me they were dumping lemons.
+I've gotten 3 used items from Gun Broker and yeah, they worked. But I stuck to relatively fool proof guns like HK USP, Jericho 941 and Sig Scorpion 1911. You're correct in that if you buy used "bad" reputation guns, then you are taking big risks my white american friend.
+--- 57863738
+>>57862880
+>That feeling you get when your can is over flowing with ammo and you've no choice but to shoot what doesn't fit
+--- 57863875
+>>57860426
+What’s your email?
+--- 57864377
+anyone have any sr25 lancer mags? are they worth it? sure look pretty damn cool but ouch are they expensive vs pmags.
+--- 57864420
+>>57864377
+I have several I have not used yet.
+--- 57865583
+>>57831495
+Didn't set out to buy a bunch of sig firearms but I bought an M18 because I was already familiar with it and liked it from what I had seen of it. The sig tread I bought during the COVID bs when I was on leave briefly back from Germany, only Decent looking/feeling ar10/.308 anyone seemed to have in stock. Definitely don't feel like it was a bad purchase though
+--- 57866828
+NN
+--- 57867679
+>>57864420
+since it's a meme build might grab two anyway
+--- 57868809
+Would anyone happen to have a spare $1200 so I can purchase a garand?
+--- 57868823
+>>57863875
+Thats my public mail, more than a half year on /k/ :)
+[email protected]
+--- 57868928
+>>57868823
+>more than a half year on /k/
+Get a load of this newfag.
+--- 57869016
+>>57868928
+Yeah, because Im here since 6months LOL.
+--- 57869027
+>>57868928
+I would rather not.
+--- 57869479
+Patiently waiting...
+--- 57869893
+>>57868928
+>Get a load of this newfag
+He actually sells them for 10 bucks a bottle.
+--- 57870303
+You know by now I only post unique, this would make for the most baddass camper under the "covered wagon syndrom" ever: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-mercedes-benz-unimog-10/
+Ever.
+--- 57870621
+>>57870303
+--- 57870722
+Can someone explain 5r rifling to me?
+--- 57870798
+>>57840230
+never understood this. even when i lived in LA id put 1k rounds down range a month. its really not that hard just budget and or get a better job.
+--- 57870964
+>>57870722
+it has 5 grooves. supposedly, since none of the grooves are directly opposing each other, this is better for accuracy because of how the bullet gets squished or something.
+--- 57870978
+>>57870722
+Smoother and nicer rifling angles, doesn't deform the bullet so much.
+--- 57871041
+>>57870964
+>>57870978
+Tanks
+--- 57871052
+>>57870798
+I don't understand why you think how many rounds you put down range has anything to do with relative lube costs. Wouldn't matter if you did 10k rounds per month. The proportional cost of lube per bullet/barrel would still be zilch.
+--- 57871141
+>>57871052
+I think the liquid volume for surface protection is higher than the need for lubrication. Cost for lubrication per cleaning is around 2-7ct with Coom, so yeah its ALOT and makes you poor
+--- 57871385
+>>57871141
+>I think the liquid volume for surface protection is higher than the need for lubrication
+Well, if I ever develop the burning desire to leave my non-cerakoted guns sitting outside in the rain for a month between usage I'll certainly keep that in mind.
+>Cost for lubrication per cleaning is around 2-7ct with Coom, so yeah its ALOT and makes you poor
+too true but sometimes fates smile on you, I thought it was all over for me last year due to cost of lube but then I noticed a shiny quarter on the ground at the range, phew crisis averted for another year!
+--- 57871719
+The Time Has Come And So Have I.
+Cosplay Edition.
+--- 57871844
+French Bread: >>57871837 →
+>>57871837 →
+>>57871837 →
+--- 57871995
+Poopa
+--- 57872040
+>>57871719
+>Cosplay Edition.
+Nicely done, my man. Peasant girl edition next time.
+--- 57872870
+>>57871995
+Looks shopped, but I'm pretty sure it's not.
+>>57872040
+Nice

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+--- 57827396
+Billy Waugh edition
+Lying about medical record: GOOD
+Lying about criminal record: BAD
+>Resources:
+>Before you ask a question, check the FAQ
+http://pastebin.com/Rx0nDuga
+>Free ASVAB Practice Tests
+https://www.asvabpracticetests.com/
+>Fort Jackson Army Basic Training Guide (Nov. 2020)
+https://pastebin.com/yg972vRE (Short version)
+https://pastebin.com/53tsDj90 (40 page version)
+>Special Forces Fitness Guide
+http://specialforcesrecruiter.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/THOR3-10-Week-Program.pdf
+http://www.stewsmith.com/linkpages/sfart.htm#:~:text=PT%3A%20Every%20other%20day.,of%2040%20to%2050%20reps).
+>https://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/index.php
+For all Army SF info.
+>https://www.airwarriors.com/community/
+>https://mega.nz/folder/ZQhQDLQA#SrCZyqNQiomnG4DsTzcNMg
+Naval Aviator forum with info on Navy OCS, as well study guides for ASTB-E
+>https://bogidope.com/civilian-to-guard-or-reserve/the-ultimate-military-pilot-career-path-part-1/
+Airforce Pilot guide - just do AFROTC, political science major, 4.0 with athletics is auto-acceptance
+>Info on sf86
+https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf
+>How to get way overqualified physically for BMT/BCT when starting from nothing
+https://pastebin.com/yGzadpNZ
+>How can I get more college credits while I'm in without signing up for classes
+CLEP/DSST information:
+https://dantes.doded.mil/EducationPrograms/get-credit/creditexam.html
+>What is MHS GENESIS?
+https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/MHS-Transformation/MHS-GENESIS
+https://calmed.tricare.mil/Getting-Care/MHS-GENESIS-Patient-Portal
+--- 57827621
+Why is NAFO leaking TOPSECRET/NOFO documents to win arguments in War Thunder?
+Verification not required.
+--- 57828356
+What are good certs/foundry courses for a 35F?
+--- 57828663
+How disqualifying is ADHD? I was diagnosed with it at a young age, thought I haven't taken (or needed) meds for it since I was ten, but I had an IEP through most of school. I wasn't going to mention it to the recruiter, but I'm worried it will show up on Genesis and fuck me if I don't.
+--- 57828725
+Anybody here Coast Guard? I've been wanting to enlist and join the deployable operations group they have as either Taclet or MSRT. What should I expect from it? I'm also considering doing Navy EOD after I went to my recruiter and learned about it. My main consideration is how much time I would get working in the field
+--- 57828770
+>>57828356
+mental illness.
+--- 57828773
+>>57828725
+DOG is dead and they never actually did their jobs anyways. When is the last time an MSRT shot someone? Navy POGs saw more shit in the GWOT
+--- 57828787
+>>57828663
+Just don't mention it. I had a kid in my basic with sickle cell anemia. Kid next to me at airborne was color blind. They'll never know.
+--- 57828792
+>>57828787
+Sickle cell anemia can be confirmed with a blood test which they likely performed which is why his dog tags were red you dumb fucking boot
+--- 57828826
+>>57828792
+He didn't have red dog tags. He said he was nervous they'd not allow him in, so he didn't mention it at MEPS. As far as I know, it never came back to him.
+--- 57828880
+>>57828826
+Well they're red now.
+--- 57828958
+Why is this off-topic general allowed?
+--- 57828996
+>>57828663
+If it's not medicated and was diagnosed at a young age you could be fine. But don't mention it if you don't have to.
+--- 57829021
+>>57828996
+>the neverserve name faggot is still here
+Yikes
+--- 57829124
+Why can't we talk about our negative experiences in the military when the thread is off-topic to begin with? Is this really a FED invested thread?
+--- 57829162
+>>57829124
+The people bitching about it being off-topic were never in (a western) military. Vets share their shitty stories and teenagers pretend to know more than they actually do (and then demand timestamped uniform items). It's the /meg/ ecosystem.
+--- 57829217
+>>57827396 (OP)
+>just found out I got selected for commission
+I finally made it out of the hood, bros.
+--- 57829230
+>>57829162
+Nah, I've seen posts deleted in this very thread for talking about realities in the military. It's a blatant recrootment thread and completely off-topic to this board. Not surprising, given how pozzed this board has become. The constant shilling for Ukraine speaks volumes for the current affairs of this board.
+--- 57829251
+>>57829230
+>completely off-topic to this board
+/meg/ has been around since 2015 and the reason it exists because people got tired of "how do I join dah muhreens" and similar threads like it. It's no more off topic then /ak/.
+--- 57829254
+>>57829230
+>/pol/ jibberish
+So you're the former, got it
+--- 57829265
+>>57829251
+I'd say 2012. That's when I was using it.
+--- 57829276
+>>57829254
+Dude you're just proving him right
+--- 57829307
+>>57829276
+He posted absolutely no information or personal stories or even third-party anecdotes about being in the military, just an impotent whine about Ukraine. That's off-topic in an "off-topic thread". I don't know what you want, do you want the thread not to exist or do you want it to exist but only if the posts conform to your (autistically specific) worldview?
+--- 57829356
+>>57829251
+>how do I join dah muhreens" and similar threads like it
+Nobody posts these threads, but even when these generals are dead or achieved, they're miraculously bumped or always present. So either FEDS are making sure the general is always active, or there's a sad obsessed anon making these threads for over a decade
+>>57829254
+Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this board was for discussing weapons. How dare I don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine or Russia.
+--- 57829385
+>>57829307
+>He posted absolutely no information or personal stories or even third-party anecdotes about being in the military
+No. Anon. Because if i did post my experience, the mods would delete my post for wrong-think like they already have itt. I understand you're reading comprehension is shit, but try to keep up.
+--- 57829413
+>>57829217
+lol you're going right back to the hood to be a junior manager
+>>57829356
+I don't think that's true, otherwise you would be equally upset with counter-ukraine posts. You're disingenuous and passive-aggressively filtering like a scorned woman.
+--- 57829431
+>>57829385
+>if i did post my experience
+>you're reading comprehension
+ESL your way out of here, faggot
+--- 57829436
+>>57829413
+>otherwise you would be equally upset with counter-ukraine posts.
+What part of "i don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine or Russia" went over your head? Fucking dumbass.
+--- 57829463
+>>57829436
+>What part of "i don't give a rat's ass about Ukraine or Russia" went over your head? Fucking dumbass.
+This part:
+>>57829230
+>The constant shilling for Ukraine speaks volumes for the current affairs of this board.
+--- 57829467
+>>57829356
+>but even when these generals are dead or achieved, they're miraculously bumped or always present.
+>This general that has been board for years keeps getting threads.
+>The only possible explanation for this is Glowies
+--- 57829472
+>>57829431
+>he used youre instead of your!!!
+>gottem
+Imagine resorting to muh grammar because you cant formulate an actual argument. Again, I understand youve reinforced you have 0 reading comprehension, but try before you post next time.
+--- 57829491
+>>57829463
+>an anon is sick of the shilling for a country he doesnt give a rat's ass about
+>acktually that clearly means you DO care
+Really dumbass?
+--- 57829494
+Monkey's going nuclear now
+--- 57829521
+>>57829467
+>This general that has been board for years keeps getting threads.
+>The only possible explanation for this is Glowies
+No, no, no, shit-reading-comprehension-anon, i said it could also be a pathetic obsessive anon making these off-topic generals. Perhaps (You)? FEDS or not, they are still shit generals.
+--- 57829543
+it's really falling apart for them isn't it?
+--- 57829546
+>>57829521
+>No people can't actually be interested in joining the military on this board where talk about the military it has to be one schizo
+--- 57829550
+>>57829431
+>ESL your way out of here, faggot
+I hope you're being coy...
+--- 57829579
+>>57829546
+>threads are dead all the time
+>always bumped before achieving
+>any posts that speak ill of the military are deleted
+>ignores the amount of traffic coming from Eglin
+Yeah. Okay.
+--- 57829615
+>>57829579
+>threads are dead all the time
+>always bumped before achieving
+That also applies to a bunch of generals. /k/ is fairly slow board.
+--- 57829682
+>>57829615
+>it's okay because...
+If the general needs to be bumped constantly to keep it afloat, why not let it die? Oh, maybe because somebody wants to ensure this off-topic general is always present on this board. But wait! If you want to participate in the shitty off-topic general, make sure you only say good things about the military or we'll delete your post. Go ahead, give your justification for why this general should be allowed to stay.
+--- 57829740
+>>57829682
+The enter premise of your is argument is muh glowies. Literally every general on this website no matter the subject will get bumped once in awhile so that the thread won't get archived and discussion can continue.
+>But it's Le off topic
+Please explain to me how this general is somehow any less off topic then /ak/ which is literally dedicated to posting pictures of anime girls or /Cangen/ which is literally dedicated to one country.
+--- 57829742
+>>57829579
+have you ever tried making the /meg/ thread yourself? i promise you the jannies won't not delete it.... why do you think the image for this general is deleted half the time?
+--- 57829768
+>>57829742
+>why do you think the image for this general is deleted half the time?
+Because it's weird gay stuff that you post
+--- 57829772
+>>57829740
+The funny thing is people like shitpost and seethe in the general and inadvertently bump the thread. We have plenty of /meg/ threads these days that are nothing but schizo babble keeping the thread afloat.
+--- 57829777
+>>57829615
+>/k/ is fairly slow board
+Compared to /o/ and /diy/ this board moves at lightning speed
+--- 57829788
+>>57829740
+>please defend another off-topic thread to justify this one
+You really are a dumbass.
+>>57829742
+>have you ever tried making the /meg/ thread yourself?
+Why would I? The only time these generals are amusing is when they shit on the current military, but half the post that criticize the military are deleted or get assblasted by shills. Just look at the archives for when anon called out the clot shot mandates.
+--- 57829799
+>>57829788
+>Just look at the archives for when anon called out the clot shot mandates.
+That because most of it was some schzio sperging out about how it was the Mark of the Beast or how everyone was going to drop dead
+--- 57829835
+>>57827396 (OP)
+Anyone got any info on Navy Reserves Intel? I am going for officer. I am in Texas btw if that makes a difference.
+--- 57829847
+>>57829799
+>schzio sperging
+>the Mark of the Beast
+>how everyone was going to drop dead
+Either a shill or dumbass. Any anon that expressed concern, or questioned the mandate, was met with dumb replies like (You)r's. The clot shot were unjustified, but i degrees. These generals glow.
+--- 57829856
+>>57829835
+I'm also transgender, not sure that matters.
+--- 57829861
+>>57829847
+>but i degrees
+I to degrees
+--- 57829862
+>>57829847
+>posts the military 1200%+ cancer rate since 2021 vax mandate documents from Congress
+how many times do we have to humiliate you, old man?
+--- 57829865
+>>57829856
+Trannies deserve death
+--- 57829893
+>>57829861
+It's cute how you try to point out spelling/grammar errors while making them yourself. I would assume it's intentional, but I doubt you're cognizant of it.
+--- 57829908
+>>57829862
+Generally can't tell if you're defending or criticizing the clot shots.
+--- 57830127
+>>57828725
+The EODs I saw worked out five times a day, and when they weren't skating on the mess decks, they were fucking E-3 thotties.
+That was on a carrier, though, and I didn't know any of them personally.
+How hard is it to join again? How difficult is it to go into naval aviation as an enlisted? I want to wear a flight jacket.
+--- 57830182
+>>57829847
+You’re STILL here?
+--- 57830275
+>>57830182
+>pot let me introduce you to kettle
+Why the fuck are (You) here? Oh, that's right, you need to make sure your thread stays glowing.
+--- 57830319
+>>57828773
+>>57830127
+That sounds good, thanks for the input
+--- 57830587
+>>57830275
+O B S E S S E D
+--- 57830643
+>>57828356
+IFPC
+--- 57831779
+>a thread about military careers is off-topic on /k/
+Cope and seethe, self-hating American. Your crusade has yielded zero results and your bitching just keeps the threads bumped. Even if /meg/ goes away, you’ll find something else to complain about.
+Remember: you are here forever. Hahahahaha
+--- 57831814
+>muh glowies keep bumping the thread when it’s almost dead!
+How would you know this, unless you are constantly monitoring the thread? That sounds exhausting, watching a thread on 4chan slide up and down the pages all day and night. What would compel a man to waste his life like this? Or rather, what does this man lack in his life?
+--- 57831835
+Leg 11b here if anyone has questions
+--- 57831857
+>Duty day is on a Saturday again
+--- 57832756
+I think there are recruiters here because they never give accurate or non-obfuscated info on joining. Anyone can do research and see that a lot has changed but these guys want you to use old outdated info.
+Also, complain about anything and they get pissed. Most recruiters are massively braindead including the officer recruiters. They can't even set up a zoom meeting correctly.
+--- 57832814
+>>57829021
+>Yikes
+Cope.
+--- 57832836
+Would I be severely limited in my career potential if I commissioned now at 30? It goes without saying that my 20s haven’t gone in a way that is exactly ideal and I’m worried I’m screwed no matter what I do now.
+--- 57832847
+>>57832836
+By the way, I’m mainly considering Army, but am open to all branches.
+--- 57833054
+>>57832756
+>he’s too afraid to respond to me
+Seethe harder nonserve
+--- 57833071
+Does anyone have an explanation for why 99% of guys in the army seem to be obsessed with Latinas
+Is it part of a military psyop?
+--- 57833234
+pssst liam, look at this cutie! *stares at you all evening*
+--- 57833285
+>>57829230
+>spams it’s a recrootment thread and complains about it being so every single thread
+What mental illness drives a person to do this? Just filter the thread you gonk
+--- 57834599
+>>57833285
+No, I must make myself angry every single day about a problem that only I think is a problem! I deserve to have my way on an anonymous anime forum which is notorious for not giving a fuck about user preferences!
+--- 57834750
+>>57833071
+99% of guys in the army are Latino
+--- 57834965
+>>57833071
+>THICC LATINA E-3s
+--- 57835013
+>>57827621
+picrel
+--- 57835040
+I swear, /pol/yps are angrier about this thread in particular than any other.
+--- 57835056
+>>57827396 (OP)
+>this thread again
+FUCK OFF FED
+--- 57835078
+>>57827396 (OP)
+>You WILL enlist
+>You WILL learn teamwork and basic tactics
+>You WILL spend 4 years PMCSing Humvees.
+--- 57835101
+>>57835040
+>gun talk
+>must join the army
+Lmao tell your co they are just as stupid as you
+--- 57835136
+>>57828787
+dirty RIGGER
+--- 57835221
+>>57828787
+>I had a kid in my basic with sickle cell anemia. Kid next to me at airborne was color blind.
+They test for both of these conditions. You literally cannot hide them. They just put it in your medical profile.
+--- 57835262
+The most based US serviceman to ever live.
+--- 57835273
+>>57835101
+Literally a bot reply.
+--- 57835753
+>>57835262
+wrong
+--- 57836010
+>>57830127
+Naval Aircrew is a difficult school but it is achievable if you’re fit and focused. It’s harder for rescue swimmer candidates obviously.
+--- 57836045
+>>57832756
+Sounds like you’re autistic
+--- 57836050
+>57833054
+>noooooo you have to give me a (You)
+Lmao
+>>57833285
+If (You)r dumbass is referring to me, my original complaint was the fact you can't talk about the realities of being in the military unless it's PC, which is dumb when the thread is off-topic itself. Why does calling out the recrootment thread make you FEDS seethe so much? Kek.
+--- 57836073
+>>57835262
+he's really damn cute... what is he, naval officer? i would love to take orders from him all night long
+--- 57836109
+>>57836073
+Thats an E1 Airman. Good 50/50 chance he's gay, so youre in luck
+--- 57836346
+>>57836109
+Since when do E1 get to have nice coats like that?
+--- 57836443
+>>57827396 (OP)
+I was caring for a sick family member and made the mistake of not keeping up with my fitness while away from home. Now I'm trying to get back into it and it's exceedingly difficult to do the amount of exercise I used to do every day. How do I get back into it? Im feeling fatigued and just have trouble starting
+--- 57836465
+So this isn't an enlistment-related question, but I feel like this is a better place to ask than any: for everyone who's a veteran, what's been your experience with the Veterans Benefits Administration (VBA)?
+The reason I'm asking is cause I recently accepted a Veterans Service Representative (VSR) position there. And I want to know what I'm getting into.
+I've also worked similar customer service-type jobs in the past, and I've had people tell me I'm good at it, especially in terms of being emphatic. But I want to know what's frustrated you about dealing with the VSRs in the past. And just in case I end up reviewing your claim or talking to one of you guys, I want to know if there's anything specific you would appreciate me doing.
+--- 57836503
+>>57836465
+Don't get frustrated and take it out on the one honestly broken guy after struggling through 10 one-term supply clerks who are blatantly scamming the system.
+--- 57836505
+>>57836443
+just push harder man. not much else you can do if you're getting the nutrients, water, and sleep you need. maybe you fell out of touch with your mentality.
+--- 57836537
+>>57836073
+>Naval Officer
+>No rank insignia, no ribbons, no shoulder boards,
+>Literally the slickest of sleeves in Airman Blues
+I hate civilians.
+--- 57836647
+>>57836503
+I promise you I won't. Like I said, I try to be emphatic when dealing with people. I've worked a call center job where I had people who were already pissed off when they first got on the phone with me, and then were thanking me for helping them by the end. I understand you guys are frustrated after all the bullshit you've been thru and then having to deal with bureaucracy just to get medical benefits on top of that.
+--- 57837533
+I wanna do coolguy stuff in active, but am currently looking to do service in the ARNG while I'm still working on my bachelor's. Recruiter told me there's no 17C vacancy, but they can get me 17E. Whats the job like for 17E? Should I take this if I wanna do stupid combat arms or SF shit when I go active?
+--- 57837570
+>31, Engineer
+>Have good skin because I don't go outside and do med diet/eat organic heavily
+>Some zoomer retard recrooter tried approaching me today
+Are you niggers really that fucking desperate
+--- 57838136
+>>57837570
+It must be getting pretty entertaining now that zoomers are getting old enough to become recruiters.
+I would love to see the interaction between some socially awkward 25 year old e-5 try to get a late 30s professional to consider enlisting or commissioning.
+--- 57838341
+went to the Navy recruiter today. They scheduled me for MEPS for next week.
+There is absolutely no where they're going to send me there and not mention my weight. I'm about 15 lbs over, and when I was speaking with the air force they wouldn't even send me to meps till I lost the weight and some other shit.
+also what is the strategy for getting the rate you want? I'm not locked to 1 rate; Navy Information Systems Technician (IT)
+Navy Cryptologic Technician Technical (CTT)
+Cryptologic Technician – Collection (CTR)
+Cryptologic Technician – Maintenance (CTM)
+Cryptologic Technician – Networks (CTN)
+Electronics Technician (ET)
+Navy Aviation Maintenance Administrationman (AZ)
+is what's on my list. he assured me at least 1 would be on there, and hopefully so.
+--- 57838450
+>>57828356
+Reclass to November
+--- 57838755
+>>57838341
+Choose your rate, choose your fate. Be willing to stick out for the one you really want. Navy is accepting ASVAB scores of 10 so you have all the cards.
+--- 57838774
+>>57827396 (OP)
+Can’t wait to go to camp Lejeune shortly
+--- 57838786
+>>57838341
+Lose the weight man
+--- 57839137
+Is the reverses worth it if I'm bored? Hit 30 not long ago but managed to stay in shape and just looking for something that will get me out of my city and maybe even country once in a while. Looking at either Chair Force or Army I got a 82 on the ASVAB back in HS but that was all the way back in 2011 probably be a bit worse since I haven't been in education in a long time.
+>>57837570
+They seem to be dipping into the 30-35 year old pool now, had a old from HS that is 31 and he had a recrooter trying to get him to enlist. Gonna humor one, curious about how desperate they are now and see what I could get.
+>>57838341
+>I'm about 15 lbs over, and when I was speaking with the air force they wouldn't even send me to meps till I lost the weight and some other shit.
+You can water fast that off in like 2 weeks to a month, look into water fasting.
+--- 57839542
+Cyberfags your time is literally numbed. The DoD is not going to let enlisted touch shit but client systems or help desk. That shit is going directly to contractors.
+--- 57839735
+Nobody cares but I made it past BRC bros
+--- 57839781
+>>57839542
+>tfw cyberfag on terminal leave applying to contracting positions
+I'm going to take a trip to Fort Leavenworth to thank that based retard for my future job security
+--- 57840190
+>>57835221
+My understanding is that you can't go airborne if you're colorblind because you can't see the difference between the red and green light. We got into airborne after having high PT scores in basic, so we kind of back doored our way in. I always assumed that's why he got away with it.
+--- 57840257
+>>57831857
+Why would that matter enough to merit a post? Saturday is just another day. Are you twelve?
+--- 57840302
+>>57836465
+Visit veterans forums with other vets who help vets then ask detailed questions. hadit.com was useful when I appealed my disability rating. Take advantage of those who have gone before you, be awesome then mentor your future replacements.
+--- 57840331
+>>57840190
+You don't really need to see the light telling you to jump when the guy at the door is yelling "JUMP", and everyone in front of you is jumping out of the bird. If that isn't enough of a hint, you have more issues than colorblindness.
+--- 57840426
+>>57839137
+Sure but goAir Force. The Army is for those who don't know any better or are driven by memes. /k/ are mostly autspergtards but even if you are, do the AF for the career potential then second career potential. Always plan for a career even if you don't anticipate one. Vesting an early retirement is the most important thing you can do in the first half of your life to make the second half suck less. This falls on deaf ears among the yungtards but that's fine because high retention slows promotions.
+Everything is about financial security, medical benefits etc. Life is about security because the world is a volcano of flaming smegma above which we walk a rotting tightrope. Early retirement is "fuck you" money after which your usable freedom is vastly increased. Piss on working to 65 then dying at 70.
+Your peers who follow their dreams off a cliff accumulate over time and that's not pretty to watch, especially the autspergies, OCD etc because that shit gets worse over time. I'm fortunately unafflicted but my damage is physical. Having that bulletproof fallback plan let me retire debt free at 47 and be a comfy cripple.
+--- 57841448
+>>57840331
+I don't make the rules man
+--- 57841508
+>>57841448
+>thread dead
+>about to be archived
+>pointless comment from a faggot to keep it alive
+You FEDS aren't even subtle about it
+--- 57842088
+>>57841508
+Conspiracy is comforting vs. a world of disorder so autspergies prefer that explanations which also explains religion and other superstitions.
+What really bothers you about the armed forces?
+You're here for weapons (presumably which exist for war and other infliction of violence therefore you intrinsically approve of war and violence. Delicious war gives you the toys you adore as talismans of something you will never actually do in person (wage war). War is what primates do! It's who we are as humans, PC leftarded subversive (thank the vatniks for the subversion and the entire anti-weapon polity) drivel to the contrary.
+This is a weapons board and the highest level of weapons use is modern war. You (if Burger instead of some slave) can own weapons because real men waged war against their Bong oppressors, sending shot and shell through tender pink Britfag, Hessian and Tory guts until they ran off or surrendered. The military is why the US dollar is the global reserve currency, a benefit worth many wars to maintain. While misbegotten constabulary operations of late were unwise, delicious nation-state wars are good and good for America.
+War kills Communists who want to disarm and enslave you therefore war is wonderful. War defends Europe, the core of human (not to be confused with bugs) civilization and such a magnificent example even Japan and Korea buy in.
+Contrarian shizo edgelords desperate for relevance repeat your incantations as if they were insights. They're not. You're simple and stupid.
+--- 57842107
+>>57841508
+Why were you sitting in a dead thread? Does this general’s existence give you anxiety or something?
+--- 57842369
+i got signals for af and i leave soon.
+this is all because i read a few posts by the intel guy who shills 35n hard
+thank you, intel /meg/ guy.
+i’m looking forward to this chapter
+--- 57842370
+>>57842107
+--- 57842481
+>there's gonna be people monitoring my activity on furfag servers that I'm in from now on
+t. 1N2XX
+--- 57842502
+>>57842481
+There always have been
+--- 57842508
+>>57841448
+Yea, but you clearly dont even know them either.
+--- 57842529
+>>57840426
+>The Army is for those who don't know any better or are driven by memes
+>Everything is about financial security, medical benefits etc
+It's crazy to me that Airfags complain about the Air Force feeling like a corporation rather than a military, then turn around and say shit like this. Believe it or not, some of us joined and STAYED in the Army or the Marine because we want to fight. Someone has to do it.
+--- 57842567
+>>57827396 (OP)
+>Lying about medical record: GOOD
+Noticed the "ymmv" has been removed. Are they not pulling prescription histories anymore? Makes sense.
+--- 57842572
+Anyone know how likely it is that they discover I used to have eczema? Haven't had a prescription for anything for it in over a decade. Interested in Army but I head they take skin conditions particularly seriously.
+--- 57842782
+>>57842481
+i’m going 1n2 and my recruiter literally told me there are bronies and furries in the af intel community and i thought she was overstating it.
+i hope i never interact with you people
+god what the fuck i even heard rumors there are directors in central intelligence that are furfags why can’t you guys be normal…
+--- 57843262
+>>57836010
+How hard of a school? I got consistent good mediums, but that's not saying much. I got through nuke school, and did my six years.
+Ask me anything about being a surface nuke.
+--- 57843631
+>>57843262
+Advantages of surface over sub?
+--- 57844299
+Is there any MOS that guarantees me a Korea duty station?
+--- 57844732
+>>57844299
+Air Defense Artillery has a pretty good chance at it
+--- 57844737
+>>57844299
+No, but there are MOSes that are required on every base, and if you have an MOS like 88M then you can apply to go anywhere
+--- 57845360
+>>57827396 (OP)
+Kinda a cautionary tale, the weakest men I've ever met in my life have been career military. Zero control over their emotions, if they're upset or angry they're taking it out on everyone else. No introspection or self criticism whatsoever.
+Keep this in mind when you're planning on enlisting/commissioning, esp in combat arms. Being surrounded by faggots is a huge part of why people hate being in the military.
+--- 57845517
+>>57843262
+>good mediums
+I, too phone it in every time. I have no questions about being a surface nuke.
+--- 57846407
+>>57827396 (OP)
+Alright boys, how do I get OUT of conscription? I don't want to fight for globohomo.
+Can I just say "I don't think homos, trannies, and women should be in the military, let alone in any position of command"? Please oh please...
+--- 57846473
+>>57846407
+Assuming you're American, this is a tricky question because they're going to dramatically lower standards when they resort to conscription.
+I think you should look at how guys avoided the draft back in Nam. Being well connected enough to get deferments, having a legit medical condition like diabetes, or simply fleeing to another country.
+--- 57846596
+>>57846473
+>they're going to dramatically lower standards when they resort to conscription
+Yeah, they most likely will. I think this next war is going to be the Big One.
+>Being well connected enough to get deferments
+Can't do that, poor straight white male in commiefornia. Plus I'm Catholic and the alphabet agencies basically have it in for us
+>having a legit medical condition like diabetes
+Got amnesia and executive dysfunction from a bad childhood but no way to prove it without insurance, at least not yet. Not sure that would count either
+>or simply fleeing to another country
+Could work, but where? It's not like it was in the 60s; most countries are globalist now and will be fighting each other to set the stage for the NWO
+Worst case scenario I can try to be a conscientious objector, right? (Doubt that'll work either.)
+--- 57847595
+Is ET for the navy a good rate? What’s it like? I’m not sure what else is interesting to me either
+--- 57847600
+>>57846407
+Is your power fantasy one that involves you draft dodging? Men dream of building monumental structures or performing memorable altruistic acts, but your big dream is to give the middle finger to a recruiter in a scenario that is never going to happen? Reminds me of the preppers that were convinced NATO soldiers sent by Obama were going to roll up and seize all of their hoarded .22 and buckets of freeze-dried mac and cheese.
+--- 57847848
+>>57843631
+Surface: You get heavily restricted internet access, and censored emails
+Get to see the sun, if you like that kind of thing
+Guaranteed your own rack, and probably a locker. Subs may make you share a rack with one or two other people, depending on the type of sub, and manning. Not terrible if your rackmates are hygienic, but not as good as having your own
+More room, you can work out in the hangar bay, run on the flight deck (when not launching planes)
+More ports of call (in theory, not necessarily in practice)
+Probably more time off. Depending on your job, I heard of some topsiders getting 8 section duty, or better. Nukes get 3 or 4, like many subs. Some subs get 2 section (Port and Starboards)
+Frequent mail delivery. You can order Amazon packages to the ship, it just takes months for them to arrive sometimes. Just pack what you need, don't order hundreds of pounds of shit in the mail
+Sub: Better food. They have cooks specifically sent to subs for morale. Includes a deep fryer
+No useless people. Carriers can get away with people who skate off the entire day, subs can't
+No stealing, if you find a thief, they get fucked up. This also negates the need for locks
+Air conditioning, a friend said that temperature in the engine room never went above 69F
+Cool submarine sweaters. Once you get your subsurface warfare, you get to wear a nice sweater to keep warm
+Maintenance is usually deferred until you pull in, a lot cannot be done at sea
+No smoking at all on subs. Smokeless tobacco is fine, but no place smells like an ash tray
+Subs usually have longer hours, but the community seems great. I heard about it from a few submariners who got surfaced, and it makes me wish I went subs. Grass is always greener. I'd probably bitch about being on a sub too, though.
+If you're not a huge people person, and you can deal with more work, subs have some good advantages. I think the worst part of the carrier was the awful food, and heat.
+Any specific questions?
+--- 57848108
+>>57847600
+>Is your power fantasy one that involves you draft dodging?
+Is this projection? This isn't a power fantasy for me, more like a contingency plan for if and when globohomo stages another world conflict. What, you don't know they started the last two? Good grief...
+I do of course dream of glorious, altruistic acts, but there is no altruism in fighting an unjust war for globohomo. If you think any desire you don't understand is held due to a power fantasy then I feel sorry for you.
+--- 57848312
+>>57848108
+No, it sounds like your power fantasy. Here, let me write it out so you can see how stupid you appear to others
+>be me
+>war were declared
+>military needs more people, specifically pure huwites like me because the darkies and women all dodged the draft because they are sub-human
+>the military sends three generals to my door, willing to make an concession so that I will join
+>I make them get on their knees and apologize for repealing DADT, allowing non-whites to serve, and not nuking Israel
+>then I laugh and tell them I won’t join anyway, giving them a big fat middle finger
+>I slam my mom’s front door in their face, then go back on 4chan and write this greentext about dodging the draft, just like the people I don’t like did
+>America loses the war because I refused to fight for them, specifically me and only me
+>?????
+>profit!
+--- 57848385
+Dropping a packet for naval aviator.
+ASTBE was 66, 8,6,7.
+Wish me luck bros.
+--- 57849413
+>>57827396 (OP)
+Will the Navy give me a waiver for ADHD after 1 year?
+--- 57849446
+>>57846407
+Just take adhd and anxiety medication they'll hand that shit out like candy.
+Considering how mentally illness/disorders are frowned down upon, to the military straight up not allowing those with those issues to join, you'll be fine.
+If all else fails just gain a fuck ton of weight.
+Or just pray that you wont be drafted
+--- 57849682
+Can I take the dlab test for the navy before swearing in to something? I’m interested in CTI but if I can’t get it then I’m not sure I’d want to go
+Anyone have advice for the DLAB?
+--- 57849800
+I’m 30. I’ve spent the last 5 years as a college administrator. I also have a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree. I’ll spare you the details about what I did in between the degrees and becoming an administrator.
+My question is simple. How much of a mistake would it be to enlist with my education and work experience? I’m in good not great shape, so as much as I want to consider an 18x contract, I’m not ready for that.
+--- 57849819
+>>57849800
+What’s your long-term goal by enlisting? You need to lay out where you see yourself 5 years AFTER you finish your ADSO
+--- 57849930
+>>57849819
+I want to run for elected office but plans b and c are returning to the university either in the law program or as an administrator again.
+--- 57850604
+XIR! YES XIR!
+https://www.ndtv.com/feature/us-marines-told-to-stop-using-sir-maam-for-superiors-report-3631833
+--- 57851934
+>>57850604
+THEY/THEM YES THEY/THEM
+Shocked how it's the marines of all branches caving to this.
+--- 57852318
+>>57850604
+>>57851934
+kys, chang
+--- 57852659
+>>57848312
+>>be me
+>>war were declared
+Ok, I follow
+>>the military sends three generals to my door, willing to make an concession so that I will join
+>>I make them get on their knees and apologize for repealing DADT, allowing non-whites to serve, and not nuking Israel
+>>then I laugh and tell them I won’t join anyway, giving them a big fat middle finger
+>>I slam my mom’s front door in their face, then go back on 4chan and write this greentext about dodging the draft, just like the people I don’t like did
+>>America loses the war because I refused to fight for them, specifically me and only me
+>>?????
+>>profit!
+Not sure where I came up with this. Sounds more like the piss-poor rambling of some contrarian idiot on Reddit. They put something in those rations to make you a plebbitor?
+--- 57852856
+>>57851934
+That's because you're a pathetic neverserve that doesn't know anything.
+--- 57853110
+>>57852856
+this dudes still coping lmao
+--- 57853136
+>>57853110
+Are you serving namefag?
+--- 57853157
+>>57853136
+let me finish college first mf.
+--- 57853202
+>>57842088
+tl;dr
+>>57842107
+I've browsed the board enough to know these recrootment generals are always on life support. If i could openly speak about my shit experience in the military, maybe I'd tolerate these off topic threads a bit more. Seeing as how it's finally the weekend, I anticipate the thread will be archived since you FEDS are off. Come Sunday evening, this shit general will be back up.
+--- 57853224
+>>57853157
+>imagine wanting to join today's military with a degree
+Anon...
+--- 57853243
+>>57853224
+well im sorry that getting a shot at an air force pilot slot requires a bachelors.
+--- 57853307
+>>57853243
+>wants to be pilot
+>Chair Force
+Good job reinforcing the point that degrees do not equate to having intelligence. Why do you even come to these threads, neverserve?
+--- 57853534
+>>57853243
+Marine pilot here. Don't listen to >>57853307 go Coast Guard. Air Force close 2nd.
+--- 57853603
+>>57853534
+>Marine pilot here.
+lol
+>go Coast Guard. Air Force close 2nd.
+I agree neverserve anon, go CG or Chair Force if you want to be a pilot lmao
+--- 57854921
+>>57853202
+Nobody is stopping or censoring your posts. If you mean you want to whine without people shitting on you and insulting your mother… do you even know where you are? It sounds to me like you want to complain and have people agree with you, and this just isn’t the place for that. Go to your local American Legion, which you should have access to if you aren’t a larping non-serve
+--- 57854930
+>>57852659
+Why don’t you greentext how this fantasy goes in your head then? Or are you going to back down because you know how silly you sound when you say it out loud?
+--- 57855053
+>>57842107
+--- 57855097
+>>57854921
+Jesus fuck, (You) expect me to read all your dribble? Let me sum it up for you; the military is shit if: you have potential, your skin color is any shade of not-shit-skin, you have an iota of patriotism. Join to get your bennies and be a welfare queen, but let's not pretend anyone should sign up defend this country or better themselves. The military is glorified welfare plan.
+--- 57855112
+>>57855097
+Cool, so now that you got that out of your system, what’s next?
+--- 57855141
+Scored a 96 on the ASVAB and couldn't fucking get those retarded mouthbreathers to leave me the fuck alone.
+How does it feel that you retards literally practice for that shit and still won't be showered in retarded handouts because they know they have you by the fucking balls?
+Feel good, retard? Real good to absolutely beg to become a fucking pissed-on and shit-eating veteran retard?
+Glorify your undoing harder, dumbfuck. I'll be over here, ignoring recruiter mailspam and leading coldcallers on while you scrape your nuts through glass to suck farts out of 26 year old retard assholes who get off on your subordination.
+Fuck's sake.
+--- 57855165
+>>57855141
+Why did you take the asvab in the first place if you weren't interested in joining
+--- 57855166
+>>57855112
+>responding right away
+>denies nothing
+Tell me, FED, does it annoy (You) that the not-shit-skins perform better than you?
+--- 57855179
+>>57855165
+You are such a fucking retard.
+--- 57855180
+>>57855166
+Why are you avoiding the question? You came here to complain, you did so, so… what’s next?
+--- 57855190
+>>57855141
+>Scored a 96 on the ASVAB
+Imagine being too retarded to score a 99
+--- 57855216
+>>57855180
+>Why are you avoiding the question?
+Idk or care what (You) asked, poop skin. Waste of oxygen
+--- 57855223
+>>57855190
+You're so retarded you think that posting this is going to insult that guy, who thought you were retarded, and proving you are too retarded to read the rest of his post to get his point.
+--- 57855225
+>>57855165
+He didn’t think that far into his larp
+--- 57855231
+>>57855225
+Everyone's fucking required to take the ASVAB in most American highschools, retard.
+--- 57855249
+>>57855223
+>tl;dr
+Seething sub 99 ASVAB monkey lmao
+--- 57855266
+>>57855249
+>meme-riddled babble
+14 year old Mexican. Guaranteed.
+Go suck more Gokock.
+--- 57855272
+>>57855231
+So you’re admitting to be underaged? Nice
+--- 57855282
+>>57855231
+>thinks he will be able to dodge the draft
+>can’t even dodge the ASVAB
+NGMI
+--- 57855295
+>>57855272
+>what is the passage of time????
+I don't blog every fucking waking moment into my phone, unlike some of these fucking retards.
+>>57855282
+You've lost sight, SOLDIER!!!!!! of the point.
+--- 57855311
+>>57855295
+So when did you take the ASVAB that you shat out an entire paragraph about?
+--- 57855386
+>>57855266
+>t. Bulbasaur
+Lucky for (You), subhuman, calling out monkeys is an auto-ban in these off-topic generals. Washington, forbid, we call out all the shit skins that make modern military, oh, so enjoyable. Verification not required
+--- 57855392
+>>57855311
+Lol he ran away because he knows he either
+>admits to being under 18 and gets banned (again)
+>admits he is still seething about something that happened many years ago that the rest of us don’t even remember
+What a sad waste of a human being.
+--- 57855467
+>>57836346
+those are airforce blues -- their standard dress uniform
+--- 57855733
+>>57855231
+My parents loved me so I didn't attend public school shooting ranges when I was your age
+--- 57855993
+>>57850604
+Given what I've seen, not fucking likely.
+--- 57856053
+>>57827396 (OP)
+I am going to get a job as a logistician in a European military, but the ones with the ground forces and airforce are already filled. There is a job left at the navy but I don't like boats nor the navy.
+Should I wait a year to apply for the army/airforce or just go ahead and join the navy
+--- 57856996
+>>57827396 (OP)
+Once again checking to see if any of my fellow retards are leaving on the 17th from Seattle for Fort Jackson
+>68W Supremacy
+--- 57857272
+>>57849930
+You have a graduate level education. You need to commission if you want to have a real shot at getting into politics.
+--- 57857596
+Hey /meg/ redpill me on 19K (M1 Armor Crewman)
+--- 57857631
+/meg/bros, just got the result for one of the officer exams today aaaand i failed
+Another year of listening to dumb shits in university that do not help me in any ways, another year of doing things i don't like, FUCK
+--- 57857933
+anybody know the usaf leaker's AFSC?
+--- 57858008
+>>57827396 (OP)
+I took the PiCAT but didn’t capitalize and take the verification at MEPS. How does the ASVAB compare in difficulty? My only issue is urgency when testing, I start losing focus at some point.
+--- 57858061
+>>57849682
+read up on grammar and how different languages structure their sentences. I believe that’s what the test consists of. I never took it, plus by me replying someone will feel the need to provide correct info. How do you pick a language for CTI? I thought of it before
+--- 57858325
+whoever needs this join the AF trust me
+--- 57858452
+>>57858414
+It was destiny. That hole was made for him.
+--- 57859659
+What will my options look like if I fail out of DLI and have to reclass? Will they make any particular effort to make use of my security clearance?
+--- 57859696
+>>57859659
+>Will they make any particular effort to make use of my security clearance?
+--- 57859754
+>>57837570
+What does your skin health have to do with the rest of your post?
+--- 57859757
+>>57859659
+>What will my options look like if I fail out of DLI and have to reclass?
+SFS, 1s, 2s, and any other job that people don't want to do.
+--- 57860547
+>recruiter said my test results make me competitive for the USSF
+What do I do with this information?
+--- 57860588
+>>57860547
+That means you can go into Intel
+--- 57860615
+>>57827396 (OP)
+I miss it bros
+--- 57860654
+>>57860615
+Nice, I just did eib. Bout to go to school. Should be fun.
+--- 57860671
+any good reads / films / videos to educate myself on self-defense, becoming a dedicated warrior so i never have to fear walking on a street?
+--- 57860672
+Memes aside how many trannies are actually present in the Army/Guard and how does that work with dress/grooming regulations. Are they even deployable?
+--- 57860679
+>>57860654
+Enjoy dude. It honestly wasn't really that bad desu. My issue was land navigation but figured it out in no time and didnt have to repeat anything. But it's my most prized medal I have.
+And to be honest, that's pretty awesome you're doing it. Just study hard as fuck. Something I should have done more (2008)
+--- 57861001
+>>57859757
+Forgive my retardation, what do you mean by 1s and 2s?
+--- 57861483
+Hey guys, stupid question:
+Should I tell the doctor at meps that I have seasonal allergies? If I do, what’ll happen (if anything)? I need to take anti histamines and anti nasal blockers to be able to breathe through my nose.
+Thanks.
+--- 57861552
+>normal part of me wants to reclass and then move on with my life
+>retarded part of me will always want to stay infantry
+>can't make the retarded part listen to the normal part
+AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
+--- 57861591
+>>57861483
+Don't say anything. Literally nothing at all
+ They try and scare you with fines, blah blah blah. I had 3 dudes stand up at Ft. Jackson where I went for MEPS and they all lost out. Pretty much everyone in there has some shit. Lie, lie, lie. I mean unless your some unhinged mother fucker then you probably didn't even make it pass thr paperwork at your recruitment office lol. But don't mention it.
+Here's what will happen:
+>probably spend first night in motel or barracks
+>wake up to bus
+>blood work
+>hearing
+>duck walk
+>weight and height
+>spread ass cheeks
+>pass or fail
+Sure I forgot some but you get my point and you're going to wait in line for 2-3 hours each test lol. ENJOY!!!
+--- 57861618
+>>57861591
+Appreciate it bud.
+--- 57861631
+>>57861483
+Forgot to add they take people who believe they can change genders (mentally deranged) so I mean if seasonal allergies are the worst you have I'm sure you're fine but I'd still lie about it if you can survive basic.
+What branch and what MOS?
+--- 57861652
+>>57857631
+You must be a foreigner where they have higher standards for officers because in the US they let dumbasses like me do it. I'd still wager you're pretty dumb though.
+--- 57861676
+>>57861618
+Yeah man don't worry about it. You'll be alright
+--- 57861757
+>>57861552
+Why not just leave? When my shit was up I'd seen enough lol and this is peak Afghanistan fighting at my 2nd tour at my veeeeeerrrrry cozy COP(s). If you change don't you have to go through MEPS again, though?
+But again, do you want to make a career out of it? How long have you been in?
+--- 57861844
+>>57861001
+1 and 2 afscs are tip of the spear.
+--- 57862194
+>>57860672
+post moar ass ketchup
+--- 57862204
+>>57861631
+>brings up trannies out of nowhere
+RENT FREE
+--- 57862309
+>>57861844
+>reclassing into logistics
+pls no
+--- 57862657
+>>57862204
+They do, though? So the fact just warned a young man about what lies ahead is something that is rent free in my head? Lol
+--- 57862823
+>>57832836
+Can anyone answer this?
+--- 57863595
+>>57860672
+Amount varies by MOS. Everything depends on if your ID says M or F.
+They're deployable as support, but any meds they're taking aren't guaranteed in a warzone and they'll likely be discharged. But we're in peacetime so no one cares.
+--- 57863652
+>>57827396 (OP)
+It sucks I wanted to join the chair force , my scores were pretty good and then at 17 I got type 1 diabetes.
+--- 57864189
+>>57863652
+I got cold urticaria before I got to submit an OCS packet. I guess some things aren’t meant to be.
+--- 57865131
+Even when recruiters aren't lying to me they are slimy.
+--- 57865215
+How bad is Sill? I’m going in May
+--- 57865476
+>>57865215
+If it's for basic then it's good that you won't be there when it's cold as shit but you'll be there when it's hot as fuck. It's also nearly all flat in Oklahoma so it'll be windy too.
+--- 57866311
+>>57842782
+Kek you haven’t heard of the furfag at Keesler AFB that got fur suits banned on base?
+--- 57866463
+>>57866311
+Story?
+--- 57866494
+>>57849682
+>he wants to be a linguist
+>he wants to be a linguist in the NAVY
+Oh no, hahahaha
+--- 57866681
+>>57866463
+Nothing special. A tech schooler airman wore his fur suit everywhere, including to squadron functions at the in front of the fish bowl, against MTL wishes. His way of thinking was that squadron mascot costumes were also fur suits, so his should be allowed. Enough people bitched and then recently the base commander made it official that squadron mascots are the only allowed type of “fur suits” on base.
+--- 57866705
+>>57862657
+Bro you live in a country filled with trannies
+--- 57866716
+>>57866681
+Kek. Based fur chads
+--- 57866718
+>>57828958
+Only Ukrainian shill faggots are mods in K anymore. Place is beyond fucked.
+--- 57866793
+>>57866718
+So why are you still here? I would stop going to a bar if it became a gay bar
+--- 57866817
+>>57866793
+>doesn't deny anons point
+Either you came here after the bar became gay or you're lying and are content with your bar turning gay. Dumbass.
+--- 57866835
+>>57866817
+What am I supposed to be denying here? If you think this place is like a gay bar and you keeping coming in, I can only draw one conclusion about you
+--- 57866885
+>57866835
+>continues to deflect
+Whatever (You) say. No more for you, shill.
+--- 57866929
+>>57866885
+I’m just telling you what I think. Nothing you say or do will influence my opinion because I’m not easily swayed by anonymous 4chan users, unlike yourself.
+--- 57867046
+>57866929
+>still responding
+Sure (You) aren't. Lol
+--- 57867090
+>>57867046
+>wah wah stop bullying me! Stop btfoing me on the internet!
+You come to a place you don’t like full of people you hate to get mistreated by them. Reply to me in any form if you’re gay.
+--- 57867119
+>57867090
+>still responding
+Lol
+--- 57867134
+>>57866705
+>he lives on a planet filled with trannies
+--- 57867143
+>>57867119
+You know, you never told us when you took the ASVAB
+--- 57867155
+>57867143
+Do you think all anons that disagree with you are 1 person?
+--- 57867174
+>>57867155
+What disagreement are you referring to?
+--- 57867184
+>57867174
+Why bring up ASVAB? Schizo
+--- 57867192
+>>57867184
+You would be a very interesting person to torture. If the world was as bleak as you think it is, we would find out
+--- 57867199
+>57867192
+>she's moved onto projection
+--- 57867213
+>>57867199
+Your response times adjusted rapidly when you felt like you were being accused of being “the one troll”. I wonder what a different person would have said in response to my ASVAB question.
+--- 57867241
+>57867213
+Whatever (You) say anon. You sound more schizophrenic with every reply.
+--- 57867300
+>>57867241
+You stayed up past your bedtime to spend hours talking to a stranger on the internet. You aren’t the winner here. I’ll talk to you tomorrow if I’m bored, because we both know that all of the shitposting in these threads is just you, me, and me pretending to be you.
+--- 57867390
+>>57861757
+A bit under 5 years. I'm trying to take advantage of the military by getting some certs, experience, and a TS clearance before I fuck off to the civilian world but part of me will always be pissed about thr fact that I never did anything while in the infantry except mop a motor pool in my shitty ABCT.
+--- 57867672
+>>57828787
+There is a certain percentage of allowed when it comes to Sickle cell aniema, if the guy had it it would have shown on the blood test unless the testing materials were bad. I was let go for being over the hemoglobin limit by .4%. If that guy didn't have red tags he probably only had the trait instead of the actual disease.
+--- 57869020
+>>57867672
+Good info to pass along. Damn shame that you were let go over something so small.
+--- 57869098
+>>57862194
+She has a Twitter y'know.
+>>57863595
+That's fair I suppose. I can only imagine the paperwork though.
+--- 57869122
+Alright so fellas, let's say someone hypothetically fractured one of their vertebrae in the past, but they didn't end up in a wheelchair. On a scale from 1-10, how fucked are they if they try and commission in the National Guard?
+--- 57869148
+>>57869098
+She cute
+--- 57869165
+>>57869098
+who is this?
+--- 57869206
+>>57869098
+That nigga has been on my mind. No cap, I been thinking about that time when I barebacked him raw on the center console of a Humvee in Fort Hood. That shit had to be the whitest, tightest, wettest bussy I've ever laid pipe into. I swear to God, the most heavenly high is gargling that wonderboy's toes while going balls deep into his shitter. I had Ketchum screaming in the sheets with ass eating too ridiculous to ignore. That nigga frotted my cock until he busted on my chest, I had to return the favor. That nigga Alex and I been fucking non-stop ever since, but keep that shit on the DL. He does that shit for free. If you're gonna ask me how to "long" Ketchum, I'll be deadass. All you gotta do is ask, be straight up, and get physical real quick. Touch his booty, get him on his knees, talk your shit. He doesn't play around with no pansy-ass niggas either. He likes his men manly, and his dick thick. Dark skin, 6'7 is the minimum and I ain't talking about height boy.
+That nigga Alex Ketchum stole my heart and drank my seed.
+--- 57869324
+>>57856053
+please anons answer me
+--- 57869339
+>>57869324
+Which military anon?
+--- 57869346
+>>57869339
+netherlands
+--- 57869371
+Easiest army to get into Don't need to have a PR or something like that)? from a commonwealth country, I'm skinny as fuck, 18.8 BMI.
+thinking of french foreign legion but that sounds impossible. russian army = low pay. Doubt the UK army would want me though
+--- 57869493
+>>57869371
+Getting into the British Army isn't really that monumental a task anon, especially since you're already from a commonwealth nation. What role were you thinking of?
+--- 57869586
+>>57869493
+hey man.
+>What role were you thinking of?
+infantry soldier is my first and preferred choice, and I'm open to our roles as well, as long as it's not confined in a base.
+From what I know they've 'closed' applicants from the commonwealth for years now. I feel like its never going to be my turn considering how many people from africa and the pacific apply to it each year.
+--- 57869630
+>>57827396 (OP)
+When will USMC realise that poolacks are the true enemy of America
+--- 57869781
+>>57869206
+Go jack off in the portoshitter and get back to work
+--- 57869901
+>>57869346
+:|
+--- 57869921
+Saturday duty day makes the whole weekend disappear because I have the spend all of Sunday catching up on the sleep I didn't get during my shitty 24 hr watch.
+--- 57869981
+>>57869921
+what country you live in that has 24 hour duties lmao
+--- 57870010
+>>57869981
+24 hour duty day is normal. But lazy cunts who keep calling in sick coupled with other people on leave means that I had to man the watch for the entire 24 hour period. I cheated a little bit and ate food and brought my vape but that was still awful especially now that I can't enjoy my Sunday because I all have the enemy to do right now is lay in bed and look at my phone. If I fall asleep now then I fuck myself over on Monday.
+--- 57870018
+>>57870010
+>because I all have the enemy
+*because I don't have the energy
+Brain is sputtering out
+--- 57870044
+>>57870018
+Because all I have the energy to do*
+Sorry you got fucked over anon
+--- 57870091
+>>57869981
+American staff duty is typically 2-3 people doing a 24hr shift and getting the next 24 off to recover. So often each man gets a few hours of sleep while the other two guard.
+So the best day is thursday for a 3 day weekend while the worst is saturday and get sunday as the recovery.
+--- 57871460
+>trying to enlist in Army
+>still testing positive for marijuana 35 days after I quit
+I feel like my recruiter is lowkey pissed at me
+--- 57872128
+>>57871460
+Marijuana is fat soluble. It takes a long time to get it out of your system.
+I would be pissed too, if I was a recruiter.
+--- 57872555
+How many miles of walking do you do per day at SFAS and rasp?
+--- 57872625
+>57872555
+Why do you ask stupid queations just to keep this retard thread alive, dumbass recrooter.
+--- 57872664
+>>57872555
+A lot
+--- 57872840
+>>57872128
+:(
+It's been 35 days since I last took an edible, and 45 days since I last smoked.
+--- 57872971
+>>57872840
+Then exercise you lazy idiot. If you were a chronic uesr, and it sounds like you were, then it's going to take closer to 3 months to completely leave your system, especially if you're fat or not doing anything to expedite the process.

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+--- 57834081
+$3000 for a bulged barrel: edition
+--- 57835389
+>>57834081 (OP)
+I found out this company was making 10 round magazines for Mosin Nagants that just replaced the existing magazine endpiece and required no permanent alterations to the gun.
+Then I found out that I guess they went out of business years ago.
+--- 57838594
+My first two milsurp guns have been pistols. I really want a rifle...
+--- 57840122
+I got to play with some milsurp today. It felt complicated inside when you rack the slide. A lot of moving parts. Really nice trigger tho
+--- 57841560
+Good evening niggas
+--- 57841601
+>>57841560
+There were times I wondered if you ever slept from all the 24/7 posting you used to do here.
+--- 57841609
+>>57841601
+I have a 4mo daughter. I haven't slept once this year.
+But yeah, the mobile IP ban makes posting during my many hours away from home difficult.
+--- 57841665
+>>57841609
+Chan must hate Detroit. Granted the great ip range ban of 20-21 made me fall off for awhile.
+--- 57841946
+>>57841665
+It's not just Detroit. PA, KY, FL, OH... every single state I've been in. Mobile IPs banned, every board.
+--- 57841963
+>>57829325 →
+Did you get on a waitlist from Starline directly or some other retailer?
+--- 57841984
+>>57840122
+>G43
+Nice, I've been looking for a qve45 K43 for a little bit now. I got the chance to take one apart a few years back and really like the bolt mechanism, even if it's not the best. Hopefully, I find an unaltered matching one this year.
+--- 57842075
+>tripfag spam
+yep no wonder the last one got autosaged after 200 posts
+--- 57842097
+>>57841963
+Yes. Starline, Buffalo arms, grafs. Probably other places.
+--- 57842122
+>>57842075
+It's called a conversation noguns.
+--- 57842206
+>>57842097
+Alright, looks like I'm getting on some waitlists for some then. I don't need 250 cases, I think 50-100 cases would suffice for my M1871 Rolling Block. Otherwise, I might try reforming .348 Win brass since there was some at the local gun show.
+--- 57842504
+>>57841984
+That one was all matching according to the listing. Dude paid a little over 4k for it. I wish I had time and permission to take it apart, it would've been fun getting all that open.
+--- 57842827
+>>57834081 (OP)
+thats a bsap stamped rhodie webley mkiv.
+worth?
+--- 57844957
+>>57842504
+They're a bit unique to get apart but most people do at least take the bolt carrier group apart just to confirm that it matches to the rifle. The bolt components are electropenciled to match which is something rather unique to Gewehr 43s. Who was the manufacturer on that one, Walther or Berlin Lübecker Maschinenfabrik?
+--- 57845675
+Coolest pre-WW2 .32 acp gun? Best sights? Most reliable?
+Pic potentially related but I would like to know more
+--- 57846272
+>>57845675
+While really cool, I prefer a different FN
+--- 57846284
+>>57845675
+Pretty much all pre war .32 pistols are blowback. There are some mechanical oddities though. None of them have that great of sights which is typical of handguns of the era anyways. My FN1900 is a very reliable gun, but my favorite remains my Langenhan which is basically a 1900 clone. The langenhan has a very nice trigger even by today's standards, very nice gun to shoot.
+Among others my Sauer 1913 is decent, my Bayard pocket .32 is fun to shoot but the magazine and release are horrendous. My Beretta 1934 is a commercial post war but I find it very meh despite me being a huge Beretta fan. I also think the Walther PP is a very eh gun. Good enough in single action, the double action trigger is among the worst I've ever fired, I consider the double action on my Enfield no2mk1* to have a better trigger than it
+--- 57846313
+>>57846272
+Nice kingdom of Yugoslavia 1922. I like mine, surprised I got it so cheap. People pay premium for the nazi knew despite them being the most boring of the military contract M1922s. I got a copy of the new FN Browning pistols book, I was surprised how many contracts they got on them beyond the common Dutch, Yugo, Nazi ones that are easy to find in the US.
+--- 57846746
+>>57845675
+Daily reminder that 32 acp euroguns just arent worth it any more with ammo at $0.60/rd
+--- 57847166
+>>57846746
+I don't care about that, plus I shoot mostly milsurp rifles so 60cpr sounds cheap to me
+--- 57847277
+>>57846746
+40cpr from SGAmmo and I got it in person shockingly at Scheels at that. Still way more than it has any right to cost, but it's settled around $20 a box.
+--- 57849669
+>>57841946
+>SAA repro
+Who made that one? Or is it a later gen Colt?
+--- 57849987
+what's the cheapest i can get a webley that i can actually shoot?
+--- 57850117
+>>57849987
+$3000, the barrel is bulged tho
+--- 57852111
+>>57849669
+It's a Uberti repro. 3 click hammer unfortunately but I'll get the 4 click soon enough.
+--- 57852900
+>>57852111
+I figured the closest I'll get to a US martial SAA is a repro though I'd like one with a 4 click hammer that can handle smokeless loads without issue. Need one to go with my trapdoor.
+--- 57853934
+>>57852900
+The Uberti handle smokeless just fine, you can add a 4 click hammer for around $85. Considering the Uberti was under $500 shipped, I'll call there good.
+--- 57853943
+>>57849987
+$200 >>57845696 →
+--- 57856418
+>>57846746
+Vz.61 SBR says otherwise.
+--- 57856649
+>>57846746
+.32acp was never cheap.
+--- 57858650
+>>57840122
+>>57842504
+How the krauts went from fielding one of the simplest and robust bolt actions ever made that was so good most bolt actions to come after are based on the 98 action, then went turbo autism on autoloaders and came up with some of the most pointlessly complex designs for no reason.
+--- 57859728
+>>57858650
+Well, you have to remember that the Mauser 98 action went through almost a decade of iteration and improvement starting with the Model 1889 and done in peacetime with no massive conflicts. It's also not a simple rifle to make, there's a lot of machining operations done on that receiver and bolt to make it function as it does. In contrast, development for the Gewehr 41 started in earnest in 1938 with the first prototypes complete in 1939, when war had already broke out. Semi auto rifles were still a relatively untested field in the 1930s so a lot of ideas had yet to be proven superior to others. The flap locking system worked well in the DP27 MGs and the patents on it had already expired so it was a logical choice to try out in a semi auto rifle for Walther. The first rifles for trials were made in the spring of 1941 and with the start of Operation Barbarossa, German industry was becoming strained trying to keep up with the demands of the Wehrmacht. The kneecapping requirements originally set out by the HWA didn't help either for the Gewehr 41 with trials beginning for the 2 rifles late in 1941. Experience with the SVT necessitated that the gas system be redesigned as well as the exorbitant cost and time involved in producing G41s with the first Gewehr 43 prototype submitted for testing in January of '43. The G43 was designed and significantly simplified the receiver and some of the bolt components, and wouldn't enter serial production until October of 1943. When you really get down into the weeds, the development for the G43 was extremely short compared to the Mauser 98 and done under a wartime environment that was becoming worse as time dragged on. It worked and the demands for better weaponry on the front significantly expedited all new wartime designs, even if they hadn't been perfected.
+--- 57860314
+I went to a gunshow today and wonder of wonders they actually had a good selection of surps.
+a bunch of interesting mauseroids from persia and south america along with the usual suspects, along some hakims, arisakas and a destroyer carbine
+I ended up picking up a berthier becuase I didn't want another mauseroid to add to my gorwing collection of mauseroids
+--- 57860339
+>>57858650
+flag_de
+also the mauser action isn't exactly SIMPLE, it was just that good. It wasn't so complex that it couldn't be produced in numbers by the germans, but the greeks and serbians definitely had trouble keeping up
+for a good enough dead simple bolt action rifle you should really be taking something like the carcano as your benchmark
+--- 57860349
+>>57860339
+>>57858650
+also, for an example of something that is both overly complex and not great
+well the mosin is right there
+--- 57861583
+Are non-matching numbers a dealbreaker?
+--- 57861613
+>>57861583
+Depends. On a common gun yes, on something that you see pop up for sale once every 3 years less so
+--- 57861621
+>>57861583
+For me personally it all depends on the relative rarity and asking price of the firearm.
+>pic related
+--- 57862489
+>>57861583
+I like the reciver, bolt, and barrel to match. Other than that not much.
+--- 57862980
+>>57861583
+yes
+--- 57863187
+>>57861583
+Depends on the price and what you plan on doing with it.
+I bought a few cheap non matching guns to shoot them.
+--- 57863240
+>>57861583
+I prefer the receiver and bolt match since they tend to perform better when they do, but normally it isn't a dealbreaker if the price is right.
+Pic rel is a turbo mixmaster Czech Brazilian contract but I paid barely $200 for it.
+--- 57863275
+Dude tried to tell me 3700 for a SVT-40 in decent but not great shape and a broken hand guard was a good fucking deal.
+Wouldn't shut up about the no import mark. and the all matching numbers. But would not let me take it down to inspect.
+And went on and on about how it was taken by a GI who took it from a dead german.
+And then he threatened me and the gun store owner.
+he also wanted around 3,000 for a 1937 k98.
+WTF is wrong with people?
+I'm fucking done meeting people to buy guns.
+--- 57863914
+>>57863275
+They see outrageous auctions online that are probably fake and think that's what they got.
+--- 57863958
+>>57863914
+He probably is behind some of them.
+He claimed he would sell it for 4,000 on gunbroker and he kept wanting to bet me money.
+--- 57864013
+>>57863958
+Should have asked him why the fuck he was wasting his time with you then.
+--- 57864059
+>>57861583
+No because I’m not a faggot. I honestly think it’s a little funny when none of the numbers on my gun match
+--- 57864085
+>>57864013
+Oh don't worry, that was brought up.
+He was a very fucking weird man, kept saying shit about how he had autism.
+And not the cool kind.
+And kept telling me to read a book.
+At least the gun store owner is a cool guy.
+He sold me a still packed in cosmoline m48a for 350 last week.
+--- 57864279
+>>57861583
+No, but I'm not going to pay matching number prices.
+--- 57864335
+>>57864059
+I love my mish mashed vz. 24 that's had 2 different rack numbers on it.
+--- 57864343
+>>57864279
+Yeah, they go through the roof.
+Saw a 91/59 for 950 bucks. but the non matching one next to it, they only wanted 500 for it.
+Magical numbers sometimes.
+--- 57864378
+>>57859728
+I see Ian browses the board. Love your vids bud.
+--- 57864393
+>>57864378
+That's not Ian. I'm Ian.
+--- 57864421
+>>57864393
+I don't believe you.
+Why didn't they just copy the M1 Garand then?
+--- 57864453
+>>57861583
+Some types of vet bring backs won't match. Bolts were thrown in a pile separate from the rifles.
+--- 57864468
+>>57864421
+Okay, you caught me.
+I'm othais from C&amp;R arsenal.
+--- 57864495
+>>57864468
+No you aren't. Othais doesn't shit at this time of night.
+--- 57864514
+>>57864468
+How come you never shoot.
+--- 57864530
+>>57864495
+Oh shit, I've been caught again.
+Dammit.
+I WAS BRUNO THIS WHOLE TIME!
+>>57864514
+Well duh...
+She cute.
+--- 57864715
+>>57864530
+>I WAS BRUNO THIS WHOLE TIME!
+Then you owe me $50.
+--- 57864784
+>>57864715
+How about I pay you in technical animations?
+--- 57864815
+>>57841946
+That’s weird cause I work in KY and browse/poast on here from time to time and have never had a problem with it
+--- 57864823
+>>57864815
+Most of Kansas and oklahoma is blocked too.
+--- 57866343
+>>57864378
+Not Ian, just someone decently well read on German small arms for WWII. I'd love to get myself both a G41 and a K43 one of these days.
+--- 57866730
+>>57864378
+Ian actually hates /k/ because of how autistic people are here, as the constant misinfo and shitflinging.
+--- 57866738
+>>57866730
+*as well as, fuckin phoneposting
+--- 57866756
+How old does a Mosin-Nagant need to be for antique no FFL needed status? Thx
+--- 57866797
+>>57866756
+C&amp;R rifles need to be 50 years old, so anything made before 1973 is a C&amp;R as long as it doesnt violate NFA
+--- 57866807
+>>57840122
+My cope for not having the G43 is having a hakim
+--- 57866864
+>>57866756
+December 31st 1898 is the last day of manufacture that would be considered "antique" under US law.
+--- 57867593
+>>57866756
+I don't know the answer, but I got ahold of a nugget the other day and I'm pretty happy about it. It's a basic Tula 91/30 and was manufactured in 1931.
+I think its pretty cool that I have a rifle that was built 92 years ago that still functions. Out of all the guns I have, it is also the one that has the highest chance of having been used to take a life.
+I bought a front sight adjustment tool so I can resight it without the bayonet, probably going to head up to the shooting spot and do that next week.
+--- 57867938
+Where can I get genuine bong milsurp? I never got issued a few things that I kind of want now as a civilian.
+--- 57867953
+I've been looking on ebay, but it's all stock images, so it could well be that it's just chink shit.
+--- 57867979
+>>57867938
+IMA have stuff that they say is original, but that stuff may be too old for what you're looking for.
+https://www.ima-usa.com/collections/british-militaria
+--- 57868916
+>>57861583
+Not for rifles, for me at least. Now if it's pistols, then it can mean the difference between a functioning pistol and a fancy paperweight, especially for the WWI semi autos.
+>>57863275
+SVT-40s have exploded in price the last couple years, glad I got mine for $1200 when I did.
+--- 57869174
+>>57867979
+Do not buy from IMA.
+--- 57869420
+>>57869174
+Sheer curiosity why? Granted the only thing I bought from them was Austrian bayonets since they were 40% cheaper than everyone else.
+--- 57869524
+>>57868916
+Yours looks way better than his.
+And I found another one locally for 2,500.
+And he said some shit about the mag being 500 bucks.
+Found tons of them for about 175-250 a piece.
+--- 57869535
+>>57866797
+>>57867593
+Seriously guys? Basic question.
+1898
+--- 57869559
+>>57868916
+I remember when they went from $600-800 to suddenly $1200-1500
+--- 57869603
+>>57869420
+My only issues with them was over priced.
+But I was only buying the Martini henrys a few years ago. So I cannot comment on the other guns.
+--- 57870285
+>>57869174
+I recently learned that the Colorado National Guard bought 1895s in 30-40 Krag. Auction house nearby had a rough one that ye olde bubba replaced the rear sight on. Still sold for 2k. RIA sold some nice ones for well over 5. Adding another to my high end want list.
+the last Russian one I saw in person was at a gun show with the classic boomer 'NOT FOR SALE' sign on it.
+--- 57870549
+>>57870285
+>It's a 'Gun Show' buddy. I'm showing my guns. Nothing is for sale.
+--- 57871649
+>>57870285
+>>57870549
+Speaking of gun shows, I went to a gun show today. Saw a bit of the usual there.
+>M1 Garands for $1600
+>1873 Trapdoor for $850
+>Finnish M39 with some modern scope slapped on
+>bcd 43 K98k with sanded stock, forget asking price
+>do not touch Luger carousel
+>byf42 P38 for $2600
+Did not find any .50-70 but walked out with a bag of .348 Winchester brass that I can convert into it. Some Model 71 shooter probably hates my guts right now.
+--- 57872066
+>>57864279
+>chinese reproduction sling
+absolutely disgusting.

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+--- 57836283
+Previous thread >>57783045 →
+Lets be frenly edition
+Resource on what these spec terminology mean
+https://www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101
+https://apollogearco.com/blogs/news/night-vision-specs-explained
+https://gloomgroup.com/blogs/night-vision-info/night-vision-specifications-understanding-what-they-mean
+You shouldn't be chasing for spec values but they do exist and if you wanted to know what "better spec" values are there's a way to know which unit is desirable over another.
+Most retailers won't post this info as they build NVDs to order, first come first serve, and depending on their grading scale of high, mid, low tier it may differ from retailers. If a retailer offer a “ready to ship” fully built units they will list the spec values. Hand select is an option from retailers that will try to match to your spec requirements.
+Some reputable retailers:
+https://www.jrhenterprises.com/
+https://nvisionoptics.com/
+https://www.customnightvision.com/
+https://gooningear.com/
+https://apollogearco.com
+https://blackphasetactical.com/
+https://steeleindustries.com/
+SNR: signal to noise ratio, the amount of signal the tube can make compared to the noise
+EBI: equivalent background information, how much false image appears in the screen through which the actual image has to show, sort of a noise floor of sorts
+Halo: How big the circle of bloom is around lights
+Photocathode Sensitivity: How sensitive the photocathode is
+LP Resolution: Line pair res of the center of the image as measure against a standardized chart
+If one spec is shit it negates the rest, if you have a halo of 2.0 it kinda fucks on an EBI of 0.20 if you want to do any kind of shooting and it's all a balance game
+The numbers to meet or beat are
+EBI under 1, preferably under 0.6 being great, 0.1 is gucci
+Halo under 1, anything under 0.7 is awesome
+SNR, over 25 anything over 30 is gucci
+Photocathode, 1900+ is pretty great, 2500+ is stellar
+Resolution of 64+ is good, 72+ is gucci
+--- 57836677
+>>57836283 (OP)
+>tfw can go shooting at night any time I want within 10 minutes
+I love living out West, the perfect place for NVG use.
+--- 57837157
+>>57836677
+blessed anon with blessed digits
+--- 57837277
+Maybe it was a mistake ordering a chink helmet for shits and giggles
+>still hasn't arrived
+--- 57837292
+>>57836677
+baaaaased
+--- 57837455
+>>57837277
+Did you take the Chink Caiman bump pill? I got mine after two weeks.
+--- 57837690
+>>57837455
+>>57837277
+You guys really bought chinese helmets, you could have gotten a surplus galvion for 350. If one of you is the idiot from gq fuck you. You scoffed when i suggested a galvion surplus helmet because people laughed at you when you said you were gonna buy one from alibaba, you were too stupid to understand that they were telling you noo and saying you were stupid and making fun of you because you were buying it from alibaba dipshit not because galvion is a bad brand. In the end looks like you still bought the alibaba helmet.
+--- 57837701
+>>57837690
+>surplus galvion for 350
+Is that for a bump helmet? Because that would be a killer deal for a ballistic helmet.
+--- 57837716
+>>57837690
+For dudes that just want something to hang their nv off of, its hard to argue with chinkshit. It doesn't matter how good a deal for a ballistic may be, if you don't need it then its dead weight vs a simple plastic bump.
+--- 57837726
+>>57837701
+The surplus ballistics from CNV/Kosher
+https://www.customnightvision.com/product-category/military-surplus/surplus-helmets/
+--- 57837888
+>>57837716
+you can get a Team Wendy bump for 300 and it has very good head adjustment and mounting capabilities.
+--- 57837933
+>>57837888
+checked, people shouldn't scoff at the price for equipment that is PPE and is expected to be worn for 8+ hours if you're going beyond casual larp.
+--- 57837965
+>>57837888
+I like TW bumps and think they are the best overall package of the name brand bumps, but I'm not going to pretend that a $50 chinese caiman knockoff isn't a decent option for casuals looking to pinch pennies.
+--- 57838006
+>>57837933
+N49 brother!
+Love this ballistic helmet, so damn light weight.
+--- 57838243
+>>57837965
+i wish there was a bump helmet without holes in the top. it pisses me off how they're all the same. my ops core ballistic helmet does a great job keeping rain off of me. these bumps would all be an absolute disaster in rain.
+--- 57838412
+>>57838243
+>i wish there was a bump helmet without holes in the top
+The PTS Flux and its genuine counterpart {MTEK Flux Carbon-S) don't have holes. The retention on them doesn't seem as nice as TW though.
+--- 57838538
+>>57837965
+If you're trying to be cheap night vision isn't the hobby for you
+--- 57838565
+>>57838538
+youre gonna trigger the gen1 shizos by saying stuff like that
+--- 57838597
+>>57837965
+>>57838538
+You could always go full Sportsman's Guide SEPT2, empty shells start at like $20 or so. Add some Amazon parts and some drilling, and you've got a literal IIA-ish PASGT clone with a cheap shroud for around $60-70. Also pic related if you want cheap NV. It's crappy compared to even Gen 2 but hell it's all well under $200, what do you expect?
+--- 57839256
+>>57838538
+I mean, you can build a 10s clap trap foxbody for cheap or buy a new ZR1. At the end of the day they both run 10s, just one does it with a lot better road manners, performance beyond just straight line speed, and reliability.
+There is no reason to gatekeep folks with a cheap 14 into having to spend several hundred or more on accessories just to get out and shoot with it. There are circumstances where buying good gear is important, but that doesn't mean everyone needs it.
+--- 57839712
+>>57838538
+>hobby
+>/k/
+--- 57839934
+What's the / k/onsensus on the Steiner Otal-C IR? I saw one for $600 a few weeks ago and I missed the opportunity to snag it. Are they at least good enough.
+--- 57839967
+>>57839934
+Its a pretty decent when paired with a Kiji or similar IR illuminator head. Other than that you can have the same performance and save money with a holosun LS221.
+--- 57840070
+>>57837690
+You're the downie who still doesn't understand the difference between a bump helmet and a ballistic one.
+--- 57840094
+>>57837888
+Yeah but I can get the bump helmet from China for less than 1/3rd the cost and the only thing I need it to do is protect against accidentally bumping against branches when hiking at night.
+--- 57840299
+>>57838538
+There's no reason to not save money when practical, within reason. People excused TNVC's jewry with the same explanation. This general never would have found the Laserspeed if people didn't want to save some money compared to the overpriced accessory market that normie NVG uses know about.
+--- 57840353
+>>57840299
+there's a diff between saving on something that's going to be protecting your head and you're going to be wearing for hours vs. saving on a piece of metal or 3d printed mount.
+--- 57840407
+>>57840353
+It does protect my head from basic bumps, which is all I need it to do. The suspension is very comfy.
+--- 57841660
+>>57839934
+>Are they at least good enough?
+Yeah, but not worth that much. I bought mine at 330 USD and thought that it was an OK deal. At 600? No thanks. They do work.
+--- 57842512
+Story time, faggots. Also a practical application of martial arts. I was stopped at a juncture and had to reset some gear. My buddy apparently took false cues from me that it was OK to fuck around where we were and almost fell off of a five foot dropoff onto concrete. I was pivoting side to side and he took that it was safe to blindly waddle about. I was using The Star of Cali. You keep your feet where they are at all times while kneeling, only pivoting to turn to face another direction. You do not shuffle. You do not slide. You do not step. You do not leave your position. You do not fall off of the edge. Especially given the handicap that we place on ourselves working in the dark like we do, we need to be especially cognizant of terrain issues that can bite us and, if we cannot keep track of where our feet are going then we need to be able to lock them to Mother Earth. End of rant. Carry on, boys.
+--- 57842559
+>>57842512
+You need better friends
+--- 57842630
+>>57837690
+If chinkshit fit my fat fucking head I'd probably get that too but it doesn't so I have to spend a ridiculous amount of money on a piece of plastic with some foam and velcro.
+I just try to take some comfort in the fact that for the most part these are 'buy once cry once' pieces of kit.
+--- 57842684
+>>57842630
+What's your hat size?
+--- 57842759
+What about PVS-69s? Anyone built a pair?
+--- 57842918
+>>57842759
+Funny, I saw that model name for a thread on arfcom and didn’t think much about it but it looks pretty interesting https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/PVS-69-Digital-Pass-or-Try-it-out-/18-543659/
+It probably is using the same digital NV sensor of this build or have similar performance https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MthrbR4_UAk [Embed]
+--- 57843490
+Anyone have experience with the SOTAC KIJI replica? I want it for my helmet, not a rifle setup. I remember an anon posting about a knockoff a while ago, but it's lost in time.
+https://www.specprecision.com/en/tactical-flashlights/514-584-sotac-bem-kiji-k1-infrared-laser-ir-illuminator-k1-10-perfect-replica.html#/46-color-fde
+--- 57844725
+>>57843490
+I’ve only seen it’s performance compared to a legit kiji in this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubZ9Xnpodg, [Embed] the knockoff is not very good at trying to replicate the legit kiji. Unless you just want it because it looks like the real thing, I would get something else that is cheaper like an ultrafire ir flashlight.
+--- 57844954
+>>57842684
+I'm the retard who got an XL ops core bump, thought it was too big so I exchanged for an L and can't fit into that without taking out all the pads.
+--- 57845147
+>>57844725
+The ultrafire is way too big to be helmet mounted. It's pretty comically sized. I'm gonna return mine.
+--- 57845185
+>>57845147
+Not him but I went with a Surefire 6P housing with a chinkshit IR module. It has worked very well.
+--- 57845429
+Itt we customize 18650 outside diameter by stripping casings and wrapping in tape. Just to pissoff obsessive lunatics who can't relate to diy.
+>have issue
+>fix issue
+>improve fix
+>no problem
+>profit
+>...
+>anon has problem
+There will always be one intolerant malcontent.
+--- 57845501
+https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrBEIyWMoop/
+>has the vis laser override the real ngal has
+>focusable illuminator
+>weighs less
+>takes a CR123
+>is being recoil tested using real firearms in the US
+Oh no lasersneed bros, what happened? How did homogear win?
+--- 57845652
+>>57842759
+They're okay as a DIY project but the dude making them is an insufferable prick who wildly overstates what they can do. He claims they can compete with Gen 2 and are in his words "“combat ready” but in reality the performance is dog shit for the price. You can buy a Sionyx for the cost to build one and it will out compete the PVS-69. He's also working on a "real" night vision housing but again the build cost creeps into the price range of devices that aren't made of shitty 3d printed plastic but instead professionally built by people who knew what they were doing. His build price for a Gen 2 dual Binocular was 2500 using blemmed chinese tubes. You can easily get a Gen 3 PVS-14 at that point which will out compete it and if you're dead set on duals that's well above what a good condition PVS-5 costs even with the recent increase in prices.
+--- 57846405
+>>57845652
+You had me until PVS-5.
+--- 57846519
+>>57845652
+Yea, I wouldn't have expected Chinesium IR cameras to perform at a super high level. Still, the system is appealing, to me at least, because the modding community for them is pretty prolific, so I'm hopeful some better systems will come from it.
+--- 57846604
+>>57846405
+The tubes he used in his housing at the 2500 dollar price point were a pair of Blemmed Gen 2 Chinese NNVTs. They might have a sharper image in high light compared to older Gen 2 devices but their low light performance is still garbage. I think it's fair to compare a Gen 2 device to another Gen 2 Device. PVS-5 may be a couple decades old but they're still perfectly usable devices and are going to have an exponentially better build quality than you'll get with a 3d printed PVS-69.
+--- 57846611
+>>57838006
+Borthers, what helmet cover do you use?
+--- 57846632
+>>57846611
+First spear opscore maritime ballistic
+--- 57846703
+>>57846632
+It fits well? I feel like most covers don’t fit the N49 well. I just use some no name cover that I’m pretty sure agilite uses. It doesn’t fit perfectly but fits okay.
+--- 57846724
+>>57846703
+It's not a perfect fit. besides the company that shall not be shilled, idk if there are covers specifically made for the n49
+--- 57846783
+>>57846724
+I don’t think there are, it’s kinda a bummer desu. I just want one made specifically for it.
+--- 57846825
+>>57846783
+I think I'm just going to cover it in a beez scrim and call it a day desu
+--- 57846855
+>>57846825
+I have a Multicam cover and a snow scrim for winter fun. My beef with the scrim is that it makes accessing stuff like lights, cables etc, hard because it goes over everything
+--- 57846950
+>>57846855
+>it makes accessing stuff like lights, cables etc, hard because it goes over everything
+noted
+--- 57846965
+Who has the opfor 1431 housings? I was told I need opfor.
+--- 57847278
+>>57846931
+What clicky cap is that on your surefire light?
+--- 57847286
+>>57847278
+Zbolt
+--- 57847301
+Newfag here, thinking of buying a chink laser (not the somogear)
+Should I go for the peq or the ngal?
+>both out of stock despite being in stock when I checked 2 weeks ago
+Nevermind
+--- 57847304
+>>57847286
+Any issues with it/ does it suck power output?
+--- 57847320
+>>57847304
+The clicky feels cheap and its a crane connection but I hear the gen 2 is better and no it doesnt seem to cause any issues. They claim the gen 1 I have doesnt even work with DF heads but works with mine and a few other anons.
+--- 57847331
+>>57847304
+I think that zbolt tailcap is using the laser crane plug, it might be an issue if you have a pressure pad with two leads they don't usually have dual crane plugs.
+--- 57847339
+>>57847331
+>two leads they don't usually have dual crane plugs.
+the ones from insight do
+--- 57847377
+>>57847320
+Which did you choose for your mod button? It keeps trying to charge extra for an FDE crane switch vs the hot button but there’s not difference if you got the hot button crane plug.
+What am i actually getting with “FDE crane plug” I already have one from my old FP Peq15.
+--- 57847401
+>>57847377
+Jesus they arent even worth it at that price I got mine on amazon for $50 for the tail cap. Then I got my mod button from plow works. I dont think there is anymore on amazon tho.
+--- 57847450
+>>57847401
+Its still there from the z-bolt store too so it doesn't look to be a knockoff:
+gen 1: https://www.amazon.com/Function-Tailcap-Finish-Surefire%C2%AE-Equivalent/dp/B07VQ5LK1H
+gen 2: https://www.amazon.com/Switch-Tailcap-Malkoff-Arisaka-Surefire/dp/B0BRJDMMR3
+I don't understand why this tail cap is using the crane plugs, I guess its easier to source that part vs the SF plug.
+--- 57847509
+>>57847377
+That drop down looks like a fuck up. I'm guessing the Hot Button option is supposed to be for no add ons. Don't forget to use the 25% off coupon code if you're buying from their site.
+>>57847450
+>I guess its easier to source that part vs the SF plug.
+That's not the reason they stated.
+--- 57847753
+>>57847320
+I’m not super concerned either way, I’m just lost as to what they mean by “crane plug” are they trying to get 100$ extra just to have it accept crane plugs or are they literally giving me a crane presssure pad?
+--- 57847785
+>>57847509
+> Hot Button option is supposed to be for no add ons
+Okay that makes sense. Deff not worth 200$ for a damn clicky cap
+--- 57847994
+>>57847301
+You actually found them in stock? You missed out cause everyone is buying them up and reselling them on Ebay. Thats why they been out of stock since the brassfacts reveal. lol
+--- 57848139
+>>57847753
+idk when they had it on amazon I didnt get a crane plug with it I only got the tail cap.
+--- 57848154
+>>57847301
+I'm assuming you're gonna get an Invisible Sight. The NGAL is the better buy, but in higher demand. Either way, you're going be waiting several months.
+--- 57848168
+>>57844954
+But what's your hat size
+--- 57848262
+>>57848154
+Thank you anon, I'll keep that in mind
+Guess I'll be hitting F5 for a while
+--- 57848412
+>>57848262
+Youll be waiting months.
+>>57848154
+Im getting loaned is ngal Ill let you guys know what I think. 2 other anons are suppose to also be loaned it.
+--- 57848533
+>AGM rattler
+>this cope
+Is this really a cope?
+--- 57848608
+>>57848533
+>scope
+perhaps a Freudian slip
+--- 57848622
+>>57846965
+Opfor as in the Canadian assembler that used to do upgrade packages on the early 1431s? No longer necessary.
+>"We are the only company in Canada working directly with Argus to improve and evaluate the BNVD-1431 series of products. Our feedback and recommendations led directly to many of the improvements made to this housing. Our weatherproofing service is no longer necessary as all changes have been made at the factory, and the Opfor Night Solutions upgrade screw kit has been supplied to the factory so all units come with them as standard."
+--- 57848857
+>>57848608
+>if your on a budget
+I sincerely cannot tell if he is retarded or shitposting. I lean towards retarded.
+--- 57849022
+>>57848533
+Not really. Setting aside firmware, control layout, and form factor; all that really matters for thermal performance is that it has enough resolution to provide you the desired amount of clarity at the level of magnification and zoom combo you want to use, while having enough FOV backed out for your scanning needs.
+In that guy's review he is comparing two 384 sensor optics with vastly different form factors and base magnifications so they will have different sweet spots where one can easily be much happier using one over the other in different situations.
+At the core of it you need to consider that the AGM is 14.9* FOV with 1.5x base mag whereas the iRay is 7.5* FOV on 3x base mag. Aside from if you absolutely need a tube form factor like the Bolt (being able to be mounted further rearward is the primary driver there), any other considerations are secondary since they build from the FOV/mag experience.
+See similar discussion here:
+>>57620997
+>>57626309
+--- 57849121
+>>57849022
+It's good we have such a thermal specialist in this thread, thanks for imparting your knowledge man.
+--- 57850322
+bump
+--- 57851006
+>>57836283 (OP)
+Laserspeed is upgrading the FL5's vis power.
+--- 57851024
+>>57851006
+Fuck.
+--- 57851038
+>>57851024
+It's not like you gonna use vis my guy
+--- 57851053
+>>57851006
+Was the vis laser always &lt;5mw? I thought it was way higher for some reason.
+--- 57851063
+>>57845501
+If it's as good as their PEQ clones, we have nothing to fear.
+--- 57851094
+>>57851038
+Says who.
+--- 57851232
+>>57851094
+Vis is useless besides zeroing. This isn't cod.
+--- 57851280
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpTJpfyfHuw [Embed]
+Disregard tripfags, vis lasers are cool.
+--- 57851281
+>>57851232
+haha boolet go where laser point in daylight haha
+--- 57851293
+>>57851006
+Neat. Have they mentioned anything about the WL? either reducing the spill or increasing the throw? Its my only real complaint and even then its not much since I don't see me using the WL that much. Just would be nice to see it improved.
+--- 57851383
+>>57851232
+>this advertisement brought to you by Victor Dicosola at TNVC
+--- 57851798
+bretty cool
+--- 57851807
+>>57851798
+--- 57852014
+>>57848168
+My hat it has 3 corners, 3 corners has my hat, if had it not 3 corners, it would not be my hat!
+--- 57852343
+>>57836283 (OP)
+I don't know about you guys but, I love my caiman bump. The golden ratio of price to preformence. The helmet costed 80$ and the whole kit costed 234$ including wilcox mount. Very nice + Cope
+--- 57852357
+>>57852343
+Back side >.&lt;
+--- 57852467
+>>57852357
+Cool. Planning on earpro?
+--- 57852488
+>>57852467
+Yeah, probably going to buy sordins soon.
+--- 57853703
+>>57852488
+sordins deez nuts.
+--- 57853951
+>>57853703
+Yeah, what brand do you have/want to have?
+--- 57854045
+>>57852343
+I'm very happy with mine, I just had to replace the nape strap velcro and it has been fine since. The same company also makes a TW knock off if you don't have a head that requires the Caiman.
+--- 57854129
+>>57836283 (OP)
+Anyway, anyone has experience with these pouches or overall company? This is poorfag thread now
+--- 57854139
+>>57854129
+Also, what did it mean by this?
+--- 57854317
+>>57854129
+No experience with that brand or store, if you are looking for a pouch to store your NVD I have this pouch https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ENO5EL4
+It fits my PVS-14 with its j-arm and the lowering arm mount or I will use it to stow away my C35 thermal clip-on.
+--- 57854458
+>>57848168
+Idk I don't wear hats. i'm not bald. If you're asking to figure out what size you are just spend the $5 to get a tape measure on amazon.
+--- 57854471
+>>57854129
+If you're feeling poor then just get one of the MNVD canteen pouch inserts.
+--- 57854543
+>>57851280
+based
+--- 57855289
+>>57854458
+Ok well get your hat size with a measuring tape and I might have a recommendation for you.
+--- 57855297
+>>57854129
+Surplus options are cheaper.
+--- 57856589
+>>57855297
+I need to store my friends panos somewhere when he gives them to me.
+--- 57856971
+>>57855289
+It's 23 3/4ths in. so it's inbetween a 7 1/2 and 7 5/8ths according to a chart
+--- 57857030
+>>57851006
+Now they should upgrade the m3 to be smaller, lighter, and cheaper. We don't need their shitty flashlight
+--- 57857038
+Homogear coming in hot
+--- 57857044
+>>57857038
+--- 57857091
+>>57857038
+Nahh, what is this?
+Already out of stock? Bro...
+--- 57857121
+>>57857038
+Looks like shit desu and out of stock. specs pic rel
+--- 57857124
+>>57857091
+The new ngal is apparently being tested in the US under real firearm recoil. I'm actually excited to see how it turns out
+--- 57857129
+>>57857121
+That's the old version, they haven't released the new version yet. If the weight is even close to the old version that's still half the weight of an FL5 and nearly half the size
+--- 57857161
+>>57857129
+Is homogear actually better then LS FL5? or is it just a meme?
+--- 57857167
+>>57857161
+The old models are shit and won't hold zero and don't have an aligned laser and illuminator. It's shit and is only popular because it's half decent for how cheap it is unlike the $60 models. The new version is showing some promise but we will see
+--- 57857277
+>>57857167
+What about LS FL5/ M3?
+--- 57857295
+>>57857124
+Anyone knows the price?
+--- 57857337
+>>57857277
+M3 review
+--- 57857346
+>>57857337
+The m3 would be great if they scrapped the fucking QD mount and just used the fl5 mount
+--- 57857354
+>>57857295
+They havent said but I'm gonna assume around the same price of their other products so ~$300
+--- 57857454
+Has anyone used these chink skeletonized 3-hole shrouds from ebay? I'm building a cheap bump helmet for eventual NVG use, thought I'd ask in this general if these are ok.
+--- 57858204
+>>57856971
+>inbetween a 7 1/2 and 7 5/8ths
+Are you me? Get out of the diameter of my head!
+--- 57858307
+Decided to put the WL back on the rifle after getting the Sneed. Went with the Arisaka side mount. I'm a lefty so I like my light on the left side but couldn't reach it because of how the FL5 and the streamlight fit with each other. I ended up moving it to the right side so I can still get a pretty decent grip on the gun and articulate the push cap. I may play around with the pressure pad and see if it's better that way.
+For using the laser I just roll the gun over otherwise my thumb takes up the whole sight picture. Seems ok to at least LARP in the basement with.
+This gun is also heavy as fuck because it's a braked 16 with a WL and laser and EOkek.
+Right now I only have one rifle so I'll be coping but at some point I will build out a dedicated night gun with an 11.5 or MK18 or something.
+>>57858204
+Fat heads rise up.
+What bump are you using btw?
+--- 57858400
+>>57857454
+use caiman like shroud, 0 wobble, fits great.
+--- 57858893
+>>57857346
+You prefer the FL5 mount? Funny, I was thinking the QD mount was better.
+--- 57859255
+>>57857454
+I have had both phenomenal and dogshit results with unbranded chinkshit knockoffs. Your call.
+--- 57859615
+>>57858893
+QD weighs more and makes it sit way higher up. I find it unnecessary since it will probably lose zero anyway. I'd only have a QD on something like a magnifier or suppressor
+--- 57859742
+>>57836283 (OP)
+Nightcap mod for those with larger heads https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Crye-Nightcap-big-head-mod-swap-to-H-Nape/18-543756/
+--- 57859793
+>>57859615
+If you are losing zero with a QD you need to tighten it.
+--- 57859832
+>>57859793
+There was an anon who had to modify his laserspeed's QD to make it not-QD to fix his loose fitting mount. Supposedly laserpseed fixed this after his feedback.
+--- 57859848
+>>57859832
+Yeah, I recall that and recall that they sent him(?) the updated mount. I'm just talking QDs in general though.
+--- 57859883
+>>57859848
+Ah, my bad.
+Yeah a reputable brand QD mechanism should/can maintain zero if tighten down to spec/instructions.
+--- 57859920
+>>57859793
+The laserspeed m3 had QD issues that they only "fixed" in March. With chinesium you can't trust it 100%
+--- 57860096
+>>57859742
+I feel kinda bad cause I would recommend the crye nightcap but I got the knock off version, which fits my large head just fine.
+--- 57860281
+>>57856971
+You should have a good amount of options then. I'm a 7 3/4 and use the Caiman chink rip off on the XL size.
+--- 57860555
+>>57860281
+Link?
+--- 57860612
+How would you design a non helmet mount for your nods that is quick to don and doesn't suck like the usgi or crye.
+--- 57860692
+>>57859832
+They did fix it and announced it last month. There should be no need for DIY fixes now.
+>>57860612
+The Raptor Tactical skullcrusher design is a pretty good.
+--- 57860731
+>>57860692
+>raptor tactical skullcrusher
+Oh yeah I forgot about this.
+--- 57861113
+>>57860555
+If you look up Caiman helmet on aliexpress, it'll come up, get the one with the most orders. It's like 80 bucks.
+--- 57861880
+>>57861113
+Alright thanks
+--- 57862250
+>>57860731
+That thing looks eerily familiar. I can't quite put my finger on it.
+--- 57862333
+>>57862250
+This is how I would design a PVS-14 mount too.
+--- 57862393
+>>57860731
+see
+>>57837157
+--- 57862580
+>>57836283 (OP)
+Decided to update my NVD recording device guide/recommendation that I made awhile back.
+Got a new recorder that a buddy of mine linked me and it looked like a nice one for some anons to try out.
+--- 57863272
+>>57862580
+I made the gopro mount and it's really bad for recording because you're losing 50% of the brightness so everything you film is much darker than it actually is. What would be interesting is finding the right chineseium nanny ribbon camera to copy the unobtanium recorder for a fraction of the cost.
+--- 57863390
+>>57863272
+>you're losing 50% of the brightness so everything you film is much darker than it actually is
+True, but you can increase the exposure on the GoPro and other lighting settings to compensate for that. I did that when I repurposed the 3D gopro mount to record through my ACOG so I can record with my C35 thermal clipped on.
+--- 57863420
+>>57863390
+Forgot to mention what gopro I was using to record that, that was a gopro 11.
+This video though was with a gopro 8 with auto settings.
+--- 57863502
+>>57863272
+https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KY81F8T/
+--- 57863525
+>>57863502
+hah, very nice! All you need is to find the STL file for the eyepiece mount adapter for the camera/lens or buy it instead.
+--- 57864889
+bump
+--- 57865482
+tfw we will never have specialized lenses that let us see straight through them but record as well.
+--- 57865540
+>>57865482
+We do with thermal.
+--- 57865561
+>>57865540
+Elaborate please? I'm talking about taking something in the form factor of a bubble wand, sticking it on your nvg, and recording as you go about your business.
+--- 57865743
+>>57865561
+There are thermals with built in recording capability. I am unaware of any for i2.
+--- 57865992
+>>57865540
+>>57865743
+2/10 reading comprehension
+--- 57866167
+>>57865992
+I was looking past the lament to try to find the real source of the problem. Can you identify a solution to this problem?
+--- 57866323
+>>57865743
+Probably because they're digital devices.
+--- 57866331
+>>57854129
+They do decent clones desu, an anon said the Spiritus LV119 clone they made was pretty much 1:1, so maybe give it a try. Other airsoft gear that make decent clones is Emerson, TMC/Cork in terms of PC and clothing, as for PEQ and flashlight clones, FMA has some decent stuff too, dunno if they are as good as the Somogear PEQ, but its more than enough for a poorfag larper desu. Airsoft gear definitely has gone a step up in quality over the years, so much so that I wouldn't even bother on picking up overpriced old surplus shit nowdays, unless you are one of those rare ALICE system focused fags, shame for them cuz now these days being one of them is pretty rough with current prices.
+--- 57866396
+>>57866323
+Well, that is entirely the case. The signal necessary for the recording protocol is already native to the thermal device. I assumed that pointing at pragmatic solutions was better than pipe dreaming. Otheranon disagreed. It is what it is.
+--- 57866441
+>>57866167
+>real source of the problem
+Anon wasn't asking for any ordinary method of recording in the dark. You act like he didn't know clip on NV recorders and recording with digital devices existed.
+>Can you identify a solution to this problem?
+No I refuse to.
+>>57866396
+>pragmatic solutions was better than pipe dreaming
+What do you think tfw implies?
+--- 57866510
+>>57865482
+/TG/ &amp; /X/-->
+is that way.
+--- 57866572
+Hello /k/
+I have head crusher and a pvs 14 gen 3 wolf
+its good stuff id like to get a helmet bump is fine so i can mount it but I really only want it for bump unless you know a great deal on one with a mount
+i want a helmet id like to have the 3 hole mount and helmet for under 300, preferably high cut for muffs
+am I being to poo and thats not happening or im missing a whole section of the market....arms core is to leet for me yeah
+--- 57866603
+>>57866441
+>You act like he didn't know
+I am not acting like anything. They come in all varieties here - including actual retards and people pretending to be retards. Even Wuggy used to come in here with his terminal case of Dunning-Kruger. If my feedback is unwanted then just let it ride.
+--- 57866633
+>>57866572
+>3 hole mount
+>under $300 (eh)
+ballistic, but yeah
+https://www.customnightvision.com/product/protech-armored-iiia-high-cut-ballistic-helmet-with-ops-core-nightvision-shroud-light-tan/
+--- 57866637
+>>57866572
+If you get one of the better chinkshit bumps then you can upgrade components as you go. I got the top tier of unobtainium chinkshit shells and put a legit OpsCore liner and shroud on it. If the helmet is the right config then all of the legit parts should fit.
+--- 57866665
+>>57866633
+thanks this is perfect
+>>57866637
+is the above a good idea then?
+--- 57866701
+>>57866665
+>is the above a good idea then?
+I am somewhat fond of Protech. I think that that is a good start. Keep in mind that you still need rails and that the initial purchase eats your entire budget.
+--- 57866721
+>>57866701
+yeah i get that. they have a used mount
+https://www.customnightvision.com/product/surplus-norotos-rhino-mount-with-j-arm-bayonet/
+does that fit the "ops core three hole mount?"
+--- 57866736
+>>57866721
+I really suggest a RHNO II over that RHNO I. The old arms have some issues and the new ones have more adjustments. I do like the old mount but the newer one is better overall.
+tldr; I would pass
+--- 57866744
+>>57866736
+https://www.customnightvision.com/product/wilcox-pvs-14-dovetail-arm-with-and-without-on-off-switch/
+is a wilcox good?
+--- 57866754
+>>57866603
+I now at least understand what your intention was from >>57866441 so I have no further objections.
+>They come in all varieties here - including actual retards and people pretending to be retards.
+Agreed. Although anon didn't come off as any sort of retard to me. What he wants sounded like a perfectly legitimate wish. The closest thing to a "solution" I can think of realistically is a further miniaturized clip on recorder but, what he wants sounds like some sort of thin prism with good light transmission.
+--- 57866755
+>>57866744
+you're going to need a far more expensive mount or modify the RHINO II to accommodate a dovetail j-arm
+--- 57866761
+>>57866755
+hmmmmm i think ill pick up the helmet and get the mount anouther pay period not gonna be able to do this as cheap as possible
+--- 57867285
+>>57866761
+That'll give you time to get the mount sorted anyways.
+--- 57867511
+>>57866572
+I use a chink Caiman helmet and it's very good for the price. 80 bucks on Aliexpress.
+--- 57867957
+bump
+--- 57869782
+>>57867511
+Mine finally hit the shores of the CUSA.
+--- 57870262
+There's something I don't understand. Can you put a simple camera lens on a thermal vision device and have a zoomed in picture? Or I must have special lens for that?
+--- 57870399
+>>57870262
+You can do that it’s similar to thermal clip-on devices, the thermal is 1x native with a screen resolution of whatever its specs are and then the scope zooms into the screen like this setup >>57863390.
+If the screen resolution is too low it’ll look extremely pixelated and can only zoom in so far before you can’t make out what is trying to display. Retaining zero if it’s a thermal scope could be an issue too.
+--- 57870691
+>>57870262
+>Can you put a simple camera lens on a thermal vision device and have a zoomed in picture?
+No. It needs to be a germanium lens due to the band in which thermal imaging operates.
+https://outdoorlegacygear.com/blogs/news/thermal-optics-terminology
+--- 57871521
+>>57870399
+>>57870691
+Ehm... That's two opposite answers.
+--- 57871646
+>>57871521
+Because there’s two mindset on answering your question.
+The first reply has to do with magnifying the actual display of the thermal screen.
+The second reply has to do with magnifying the actual image/view the thermal sensor is detecting.
+Which one were you actually asking for?
+Now I’m confused on what you were originally asking about.
+--- 57872074
+>>57871646
+Why would I want to magnify the screen with camera lenses?
+That's kinda obvious.
+There's a regular camera, I use telescopic lenses to zoom in the view.
+There's a thermal camera, I use ?????? lenses to zoom in the view.
+--- 57872122
+>>57872074
+>Why would I want to magnify the screen with camera lenses?
+Because that is how its done with clip-on thermals with magnified scope optics.
+>That's kinda obvious.
+Yes so obvious that you don't know what you are even asking about. Do you even own a thermal device? Go place the thermal objective lens into your camera viewfinder or even the telescoptic lens and see what you get.
+You truly are moronic and didn't even know what you are asking for.
+--- 57872170
+>>57872122
+Retard I don't have a thermal camera but but I want to buy one, that's why I ask. What's hard in my question? If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image?
+--- 57872211
+>>57872170
+>Retard
+Ironic. Its been answer already, retard faggot.
+--- 57872442
+>>57872170
+>If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image?
+No. The thermal band is blocked by standard glass. Are you familiar with Carl Carwindows? It's the same principle. You cannot even see through window glass with a thermal imager. That has always been one of its larger downsides.
+--- 57872481
+>>57872170
+>If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image?
+Negative, the glass used for a camera zoom lens does not allow pass through of the needed spectral range.
+There are existing Germanium afocal lenses out there but not many designed for the sportsman market. You would need something like this https://sectoroptics.com/product/afocal-thermal-adapters/
+--- 57872508
+>>57872442
+>>57872481
+Thank you anon, now I got it.
+>https://sectoroptics.com/product/afocal-thermal-adapters/
+Damn the price, but atsast they exist. Maybe some day chinese will discover it's secret and manufacture a cheaper aliexpress version.
+--- 57872550
+>>57872481
+You know what? I found the separate germanium lenses on aliexpress for cheap. I should definitely play with them after I get my thermal camera.

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+-----
+--- 57837602
+But... why?
+--- 57837614
+>>57837602 (OP)
+So many manufacturing malfunctions for a piece of shit that costs $7k.
+Fuck sig, they're niggers.
+--- 57837627
+>>57837614
+What happened this time?
+--- 57837821
+>>57837627
+Everyone who's ever bought an AR-15 is outrageous the Army has switched to a different cartridge and rifle. They feel abandoned and unloved because they are, and they're hyped up little 22 magnums are going the way of the dodo while 30 caliber rains supreme yet again after a nice little nap.
+--- 57838080
+>>57837821
+>.30 cal reigns supreme
+>new cartridge is .277
+What did he mean by this?
+--- 57838096
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Is it the handguard flexing and not returning to center?
+--- 57838108
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Because the army was too far into SIG's pockets to pick an actually innovative rifle
+--- 57838141
+>>57837602 (OP)
+It can blast through Russian body armor, it was literally designed to do so
+They are also going to be issued with an optic that's able to auto-aim headshot targets from a mile away (see pic related)
+--- 57838150
+>>57838108
+>actually innovative rifle
+None of the rifle entries were innovative and Sig produced the only innovative SAW, you coping and seething nigger. >>57837614
+>source: my ass
+--- 57838194
+>>57837602 (OP)
+To make /k/ seethe
+--- 57838218
+>2010 /k/: WE WANT BATTLE RIFLES. BATTLE RIFLES ARE CHAD
+>2020 /k/: WHY DID THE MILITARY ADOPT A BATTLE RIFLE?
+--- 57838228
+>>57837602 (OP)
+compensation for small penis
+--- 57838352
+>>57838218
+Take me back
+--- 57838540
+it really is a dumb idea
+there is already so much support for the AR platform, they really should have just made an AR in the caliber they want
+also this new rifle is heavy, which is going to be a problem if the army continues to lower standards and push "diversity and inclusion" and recruit women, trannies and fags
+--- 57838632
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Two (2) charging handles
+--- 57838704
+>>57837602 (OP)
+>Cohen.
+--- 57838707
+>>57837602 (OP)
+The russian big bad has body armor now! The US needs a bigger booooolit for muh OVERMATCH, so say the MIC.
+Turns out they probably can't afford to issue it. And if they did, they'd probably be sold to the black market and replaced with egg cartons.
+--- 57838776
+>>57838218
+Based fucking king
+--- 57838883
+>>57838218
+But this battle rifle is retarded and jewish.
+--- 57838906
+>>57838080
+uh, duh its called ROUNDing up
+--- 57838943
+>we're going to replace several million M4s and M16s in armories with 110,000 of these
+--- 57838991
+>>57838943
+no, they're replacing ~110,000 frontline M4's and ~20,000 frontline M249s with ~110,000 XM7s and ~20,000 XM250s.
+Everyone else keeps their M4s.
+--- 57839197
+>>57838991
+and after sometime everyone will have xm5 or 7 as you called it for unknown to me reason
+--- 57839232
+>>57837614
+Such as?
+--- 57839271
+>>57838632
+It's stupid but it's one of trivial reasons why they won
+--- 57839327
+>>57838218
+SIG managed to take all the soul out of a battle rifle somehow
+--- 57839344
+>>57837602 (OP)
+The MG
+--- 57839354
+>>57839197
+They haven't announced any plan to do as such.
+For now all they've announced is they're buying ~110,000 rifles to be fielded by the frontline combat units.
+What they decide to do in 5-10+ years is anyone's guess, but right now they've officially not made any decision.
+As for XM5/XM7, it was renamed because Colt already has an M5 rifle and to avoid any potential lawsuits or problems the army pre-emptively changed the name to the XM7 which will become the M7 when it enters service later this year.
+--- 57839371
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Battle Rifles are too heavy
+Assault Rifles are too weak against modern body armor
+The Sig Spear bridges the gap between Battle Rifles and Assault Rifles. This is afforded due to modern material science, allowing higher chamber pressures than previous Assault Rifles while also remaining relatively light
+>but muh recoil!
+I've fired one, its fine.
+--- 57839394
+>>57839371
+it has the weight of a battle rifle and the ballistics of an intermediate
+--- 57839410
+>>57837614
+>Fuck sig, they're niggers.
+You didn't need to say anything else
+--- 57839420
+>>57839394
+but it has better ballistics than either .308 or 6.5 mememoor
+it's also lighter than MOST other battle rifles. And none of those other battle rifles were designed to shoot an 80k PSI round.
+--- 57839459
+>>57837602 (OP)
+MICs gonna MIC
+cant stop the MICkers
+--- 57839501
+>>57838883
+Incorrect, Jewish battle rifles are highly tuned kebab removal machines
+This is lederhosen made of weinerschnitzel
+--- 57839520
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Because muh overmatch.
+Never forget that the Army spent twenty years working on a new, lightweight polymer case-telescoped round that would reduce the infantryman's burden (or more likely, allow him to carry more stuff like radios, batteries, and explosives). And then, at the last second, a couple generals who were obsessed with the supposed range advantage the Taliban had in mountaintop fights trashed the whole program by rewriting the program requirements to demand a heavy bullet traveling at warp speed. And now, the infantry won't have enough ammo for a long firefight, much less enough spare weight allowance to carry the smart munitions they'll need.
+--- 57839668
+>>57839520
+Polymer case technology is rapidly advancing too. It's not like it just stopped when this competition ended. The goofy multi-piece case shit already looks outdated and will be a forgotten curiosity within a few years.
+--- 57840014
+>>57839520
+And range + Velocity is the most important design criteria but god forbid they pick a bullpup
+--- 57840028
+>>57839668
+Sig won and you haven't been able to cope with it since
+--- 57840091
+>>57839520
+got mech dog carry ammo soon dont you worry
+--- 57840103
+>>57837602 (OP)
+SIG USA has successfully captured the Army procurement apparatus. Corruption is increasingly evident across all of US government including armed forces.
+--- 57840144
+>>57837602 (OP)
+reinventing the wheel lol. every general prepared to fight the last war.
+--- 57840159
+>>57840103
+Even leafs are replacing their pistols with P320s
+--- 57840216
+>pircrel is the guy she told you not to worry about
+FN IWS puts siggers on suicide
+--- 57840272
+>>57840216
+How so? It's not like FY24 budget saw any reduction in M7/M250 orders.
+SIG are laughing all the way to the bank.
+--- 57840461
+>>57840159
+Canada is run by jews
+--- 57840476
+>>57840216
+>We should've adopted .280 Brit in the first place
+--- 57840637
+>>57839197
+>after sometime
+Which has never happened before with a service rifle
+The '03 Springfield, Garand, M14, M16, they were all rolled out by the millions within their first five years issued
+--- 57840746
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Because it's fast as fuck boy and has good bc and sectional density to shred armor and turn tissue into jelly
+--- 57840793
+>>57839420
+>Better ballistics than either .308 or 6.5 creedmoor
+>For some reason they cant go back to .308 and make it better saving time and money.
+>Oh wait they want this thing to be "Expensive" so they can transfer more wealth from the American tax payer to the elite
+Nothing to see here.
+--- 57840798
+>>57838218
+because
+>"WE WANT A BATTLE RIFLE"
+>monkey paw: "okay, but it's made by SIG"
+>"FUCK"
+--- 57841206
+>>57840793
+This
+--- 57841271
+>>57840798
+>"okay, but it's made by SIG"
+it's more like
+>"okay, but it's a soulless AR platform ripoff"
+--- 57843095
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Because
+--- 57843424
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Grifter's paradise
+Just like with the Future Warrior/Future Soldier programs of the 90s and early 00s the only winners are the defense companies involved
+--- 57843472
+>>57839668
+>The goofy multi-piece case shit already looks outdated and will be a forgotten curiosity within a few years.
+>*he doesn't know*
+--- 57843478
+>>57840476
+>piss weak cartridge
+--- 57843481
+>>57838150
+The Textron one with the cased telescoped ammo was better
+--- 57843508
+>>57843481
+There are rummors case telescoping is plagued by accuracy problems induced by moving chamber misalignments and incompatibility with VLD bullets like 6.8 GP.
+It passed tests with surrogate bullet, but with real 6.8 GP it flopped.
+--- 57843520
+>>57843472
+Hmu when 5.56 can go 4k fps out of a 16" barrel
+--- 57843544
+>>57843472
+I mean, it's one way to get Govment Subsidized Bubba's Hottest Pissenist loads to fire without exploding cases.
+A bridge tech if anything. Until we can easily rework a new case alloy/poly whatever they go with.
+Guns a meme but the idea of fuckin 80k PSI kinda tickles my innards
+--- 57843603
+>>57843544
+>you WILL fire thee 100K PSI 5.56
+>and you WILL like it
+--- 57843622
+>>57843603
+TIME TO PLINK BOI- *durrrrrsh*
+--- 57843665
+>>57838141
+>an optic that's able to auto-aim headshot targets from a mile away
+but can it 360 noscope?
+--- 57843783
+>>57839327
+>muh soul
+Just admit you wanted wood furniture becuase BRetards just can't leave the 1960s in the past.
+--- 57843793
+>>57840103
+>do think purchasing all our small arms from one manufacturer would be a logistically and financially sound decision?
+>NO ONLY A JEW WOULD THINK OF SUCH THINGS
+Man, I'm glad you'll never be in any position to make procurement decisions.
+--- 57843827
+>>57837602 (OP)
+>no polymer ammo
+Shit and cringe.
+--- 57844075
+Has anyone actually shot the actual full oomph the so called Sig fury round pray tell
+--- 57845443
+>>57841271
+if it was just an AR-10 that would be cool but it's bad instead
+>>57843783
+needed more polymer and less aluminum
+--- 57845481
+>>57845443
+Short stroke gas piston is based, especially since the rifle is meant to be run with a suppressor 24/7.
+I get that DI is mechanically simpler and much cheaper to manufacture, with a few benefits in mud tests and shit, but those few benefits aren't really worth getting your panties in a twist over.
+I doubt you COULD make a DI AR-10 in the same size footprint as the XM7.
+--- 57845495
+>>57845481
+yeah but the (scaled up in this case) AR-18 action is trash, heavier and taller than an equivalent DI and buffer tube action
+the only benefit is that it doesn't fart out the ejection port and you can remove the buffer tube
+--- 57845505
+>>57837602 (OP)
+At least this one doesn't look like a fucking fish.
+It WILL fail anyway, no matter what you autists say. They WILL walk back on the contract and keep the M4/M16/Big Black AR-15/Whatever.
+America is a dead end nation.
+--- 57845582
+>>57845495
+Sure, but a DI action would take up more length and fart in your mouth, we already know gas blowback is horrible for your health, the army doesn't want the VA having to pay out in 20 years when the boots who were running this rifle start to see their lungs fail.
+--- 57845597
+>>57845582
+>take up more length
+folding stocks are a meme, just use a non-collapsing polymer rifle stock (A1 length) and move on with your life
+>fart in your mouth
+don't be left handed I guess
+gas blowback is not so bad with the lead-free primers but yeah NOx is... gross
+you'll be fine unless you're huffing MG fumes all day
+--- 57845605
+>>57837602 (OP)
+i hate that it looks like the mag was inserted backwards
+--- 57845619
+>>57845605
+It was designed to be used by niggers, so no surprise.
+--- 57845801
+>>57838141
+You're wrong about literally everything in your post, holy shit
+--- 57845961
+>>57838141
+seeing M7fags think that a autoBDC in a LPVO turns a rifle in the hands of the typical 20-something army mouthbreather into a long range aimbot machine is one of the funniest developments of this shitshow
+--- 57846008
+>>57845961
+It's incredible. I shit you not that multiple times I've seen them swear that the BDC is enough and that windage at 500m+ won't matter because "beeg boolet go fast." There is a nearly 24" deviation at 500m from a 10mph crosswind for Fury.
+--- 57847797
+>>57845505
+I keep saying it doesn't even have to be walked back
+The contract is miniscule enough that damage control was always in place for them to easily go "Yep, we're very happy with our new SCAR-H/HK417/AR10/M14 replacement" and not even be lying
+--- 57848999
+>>57838141
+>It can blast through Russian body armor
+Why would you invest in a gun to counter threats that simply don't exist?
+--- 57851417
+>>57845961
+>>57846008
+I'm not even sure how all that stuff got started. I remember seeing Vortex's patent documents posted ages ago and they made it pretty obvious how the scope works.
+--- 57853039
+>>57837821
+ESL belong on /int/
+--- 57853247
+>>57846008
+It's literally just .270 Winchester out of a short barrel.
+--- 57853743
+>>57837602 (OP)
+You will never be a real gun. YWNBARG
+--- 57853775
+>>57853247
+that was my first rifle caliber way back in the day :tear:
+--- 57853819
+Most people here who try to write off the m7 in about 1 sentence or just lazily "it's just (example that isn't even remotely close to what it is being compared to) it's all a scam" are dumbasses or people who can't get over sig winning the contract since their totally game changing bullpup whatever was definitely the better choice.
+--- 57853865
+>>57851417
+It's because a good chunk of the proponents do not know anything about long range shooting, or shooting in general. They unironically think that getting the range down is the hardest element when it is by far and away the easiest in regards to making a shot that's really going out there.
+--- 57853886
+>>57853819
+it's not as good as it could be therefore I hate it
+--- 57854270
+>>57838141
+ruccians can barely make it 20mi outside their border anyway who cares
+--- 57854299
+>>57838141
+Russians can afford body armor?
+--- 57854328
+>>57843472
+>steel cope case on a joke cartridge
+--- 57854581
+>>57839354
+>m7
+>it's not a caseless 5.7 suppressed PCC
+it's over
+--- 57855633
+>>57853886
+How could it be better?
+--- 57856287
+Reminder that the SIG round averages over 80-90k psi while still being the slowest round. Reminder that the army required over 10k round barrel life. Reminder that SIG’s mat sci group couldn’t pull off polymer designs so they had to change to the shitty hybrid case, yet can supposedly somehow make better barrels than companies like rheinmetal.
+I pity the poor grunt who gets the first failure.
+--- 57857620
+>>57837821
+literally not a 30 cal, retard.
+--- 57857715
+>>57837602 (OP)
+if you can't understand why a (gay) military doesn't want its infantry weapon to be 99% parts compatible with civilian weapons, you're ngmi
+--- 57857874
+>>57855633
+lighter, softer recoiling
+20" barrel
+--- 57860667
+>>57857874
+so both larger and lighter weight, while ALSO reducing the recoil?
+seems like physics would contradict that possibility.
+--- 57861364
+>>57860667
+Not him but playing with the idea:
+A long-stroke piston has lighter perceived recoil than short-stroke pistons because it feels more like a push than a few light hits
+C405/7050 series aluminum could replace 7075 to cut a few ounces while retaining strength. Or in the case of the handguard, keep the weight and strength it to increase rigidity.
+The longer barrel poses a problem. Maybe have it really thick around the chamber but tapered to a pencil profile? Or use a barrel sleeve design like on tanks/ what Armalite did with the original AR-10 against Stoner's recommendation
+--- 57862379
+>>57861364
+DI
+>>57860667
+You'd need to sacrifice the folding stock and use more polymers but it wouldn't even be hard
+the barrel is negotiable
+--- 57862381
+>>57854299
+They meant "near
+-peer adversary"
+--- 57862549
+>>57838707
+There’s still based Chinks as enemy.
+--- 57862584
+>>57837602 (OP)
+Because it makes bullpup fags cry and they deserve to suffer for having shitty European tastes
+--- 57862745
+>>57837602 (OP)
+RIP AR
+--- 57862855
+>>57845597
+>>fart in your mouth
+>don't be left handed I guess
+Doesn't even do that if you're left handed
+Suppressed I get smacked on the right cheek by unburnt powder from shitty Winchester ammo, that's about it.
+--- 57863082
+>>57840793
+This, also retarded that they want a new service eifle that also is a dmr but they cut that rifle shorts as fuck, and as seen by the commercial hybrid ammo that’s available. It affects ballistics alot
+--- 57863206
+>>57843472
+Get with the times grandpa. Hybrid cases are old and busted. Thin wall stainless steel is the new hotness.
+--- 57864193
+>>57838228
+>you have a gun that scares me? Now I'm thinking about your dick! Checkmate, gun owner"
+Sorry to inform you, but thinking about dicks is extremely gay
+--- 57864337
+>>57840216
+What is this?
+--- 57864726
+>>57839410
+Pretty much.
+--- 57864740
+>>57840014
+Bullpups suck worse than Sigs.
+Verification not required.
+--- 57866027
+>>57837821
+I thought the new cartridge was 6mm ARC
+--- 57869012
+Because corruption and retardation, that's why.
+--- 57869036
+>>57838141
+I can no longer tell when this is said as a joke or from a troll vs genuine belief by Siggers
+--- 57869037
+>ctrl+f drone
+>0 results found
+smart scope + ivas feeding aimbot tier aiming advice to grunt
++
+grunt with heavier and harder hitting round
+=
+every infantry squad now has a fighting chance against enemy drones
+=
+US has widespread anti-drone capability built into every infantry soldier when countries are still figuring out how to use drones
+--- 57869068
+>>57839371
+>The Sig Spear bridges the gap between Battle Rifles and Assault Rifles.
+By having the weight of a battle rifle and the effect on armor of an assault rifle?
+Post guns.
+--- 57869099
+>>57838906
+>uh duhhh
+Ok retard
+--- 57869101
+>>57838218
+/k/ US mil criticis BTFO
+Pentagon is the Chad
+--- 57869231
+>>57843793
+>just have a monopoly on your weapons production
+Man, I'm glad you'll never be in any position to make procurement decisions.
+--- 57869253
+>>57860667
+Hmmmm if only there was a way to increase barrel length and therefore velocity meaning a lower pressure round could be used, all while not increasing OAL
+--- 57869265
+>>57869037
+>smart scope + ivas feeding aimbot tier aiming advice to grunt
+Which can be applied to any rifle
+>+
+>grunt with heavier and harder hitting round
+>=
+>every infantry squad now has a fighting chance against enemy drones
+What? How are grunts able to pick out drones from the sky with a rifle?
+--- 57869911
+>>57837602 (OP)
+I'm going to buy one of these just to make /k/ seethe lmao
+--- 57869943
+>>57869253
+bullpups are gay tho
+--- 57869958
+>>57869068
+One of the lightest weight BRs ever made for it's capabilities, and more lethality than either .308 or 6.5meemoor, both of which can do considerably more against armor than 5.56.
+This doesn't mean 6.8x51 (or 7.62) can pen the armor you're talking about, but it IS more effective than 5.56 even if neither one pens on the first shot.
+--- 57870021
+>>57864337
+.264 licc
+>>57869958
+>it can't pen armor any better than the cartridge it was supposed to replace to pen armor, but if it lands a hit despite more recoil and less ammo the bruise on their ribs will be slightly wider
+--- 57870058
+>>57837602 (OP)
+>why?
+Because if you don't want M4s on Mars you have to start somewhere, unfortunately at this point in time there's no significant leap if technology that's going to necessitate something that different which is why the fish gun wasn't going to make it.
+--- 57870061
+>>57869958
+>makes praise revolve around effect on armor
+>"it IS more effective than 5.56 even if neither one pens on the first shot."
+Do SIG shill have actual brain parasites or something? Between not understanding windage, thinking a BDC turns the common grunt into a sniper, and this assumption that people are really getting nailed multiple times at range by infantry rifles, it's like all their knowledge about small arms combat comes from videogames.
+--- 57870065
+>>57870021
+Considering it was never designed to penetrate high tier body armor, I don't really understand your point.
+It was designed to go through light cover (walls, unarmored vehicles, etc) better than 5.56. It does that. It's ALSO flatter shooting, heavier, and faster.
+The idea that it was SUPPOSED to be able to penetrate level 4 rifle plates is just fuddlore fantasy cope you dumb fucks made up to shit on it.
+--- 57870086
+>>57870061
+I'm just tired of morons like you pretending it's supposed to be some sniper round penetrating high tier body armor when it was NEVER intended to do that. It's intended to go through light cover like a single layer brick wall or some wood or sheet metal.
+BUH MUH ARMOR PEN as if armor pen = penetrating BODY armor, not just generic greater penetration through ANY cover (the actual point of the program).
+--- 57870098
+>>57870065
+>The idea that it was SUPPOSED to be able to penetrate level 4 rifle plates is just fuddlore fantasy cope you dumb fucks made up to shit on it.
+you are absolutely fucking deluded if you think the detractors were the one spewing the armor pen meme and not the supporters. like straight up brain damaged.
+--- 57870109
+>>57870065
+Penning peer body armor was the latest official justification, moron. Before that, it was range in afghanistan and in the program before NGSW it was stopping power for CQB.
+You're continuing the same series of rationalisations, but unlike the official copers you're denying the literal official justifications.
+--- 57870111
+>>57870098
+Who the fuck cares who started it?
+I don't give a single fuck who started saying it, if you're STILL saying it, you're a moron. And the people who STARTED saying it, are ALSO morons.
+--- 57870117
+>>57870086
+>I'm just tired of morons like you pretending it's supposed to be some sniper round penetrating high tier body armor when it was NEVER intended to do that.
+Ironic, considering skeptics like me were the ones always saying this and it was your ilk posting otherwise, but you do you famalam.
+>BUH MUH ARMOR PEN as if armor pen = penetrating BODY armor
+No one refers to barrier penetration as armor penetration you literal retard, holy shit.
+>not just generic greater penetration through ANY cover (the actual point of the program).
+I cannot tell if you're being serious or not, this was never alluded to in any of the competition specs.
+--- 57870122
+>>57870109
+>was the latest official justification
+Show me ANYWHERE that OFFICIALLY claims this.
+I've read the entire original project PPON that started the program, as well as watched the entire contract award announcement press conference.
+--- 57870128
+>>57870111
+>YOU JUST SAID THIS TO SHIT ON IT
+>no we didn't the whole reason it got brought up at all was because the pro_NGSW crows swore it would go through IV plates for weeks on end
+>WHO CARES WHO STARTED IT
+are you a woman?
+--- 57870136
+>>57870122
+You cannot say that the whole point of the program was to increase blind barrier penetration capability and expect to be taken seriously. Why are you posting like you're on the verge of crying?
+--- 57870149
+>>57870136
+I never said that was the ENTIRE point of the program, that was the ONLY point of penetration needs stated by the program ( you know, the specific thing we're talking about here?)
+The overall goal of the program was to increase lethal engagement range while keeping ammo commonality throughout the squad.
+--- 57870150
+>>57870021
+This is just wrong. Its supposed to give basic infantry the ability to reach out to 600 yards, thump through light-skinned vehicles, and defeat special threat plates (not level IV) in a similar size and weight package to 5.56 rifles. It does this. Its actually a great idea for an intermediate cartridge.
+--- 57870151
+>>57870122
+>aaaaaaaa it was actually barrier pen all along
+There's no reasoning with a liar like you.
+--- 57870162
+>>57870086
+> as if armor pen = penetrating BODY armor not just generic greater penetration through ANY cover
+Do you refer to cinder blocks, sheet metal and foliage as "armor"??
+--- 57870175
+>>57870151
+I'm asking for the proof you said existed OFFICIALLY.
+if asking you to provide proof of a claim you said was OFFICIAL justification, how the fuck am I supposed to believe ANYTHING you claim?
+--- 57870178
+>>57870149
+>I never said that was the ENTIRE point of the program
+>>57870086
+>generic greater penetration through ANY cover (the actual point of the program).
+please refer to >>57870128, are you a vagina-haver, because you argue like one.
+--- 57870193
+>>57870178
+Yes, again in the context SPECIFICALLY of penetration, the point of THIS program was NOT to design a round to penetrate level 4 plates.
+--- 57870194
+>>57870150
+>M7
+>a similar size and weight package to 5.56 rifles
+>an intermediate cartridge.
+Okay I'm starting to think that these people are either shitposters or genuinely mentally ill.
+--- 57870199
+>>57870194
+Nigger kill yourself, the army themselves refer to it as an intermediate cartridge.
+ACHTUALLY faggots like yourself will point out it's a full-sized rifle cartridge, but so fucking what? The army is calling it intermediate.
+--- 57870204
+>>57870199
+Active denial of reality, more support for my theory.
+--- 57870219
+>>57870204
+Again, blame the most well funded military in the world for making that claim, not the people repeating what they say.
+You just seem like a pedantic faggot the more you dig your heels in on that one in particular.
+--- 57870231
+>>57870199
+A round with a135gr. projectile and 80k psi chamber pressure is not intermediate in any way shape or form. Do you consider 6.5 Creed and 7.62 NATO intermediate?
+--- 57870239
+>>57837602 (OP)
+I dont know what it is but I dislike rifles without fixed iron sights. I dont mind optics but I NEED fixed irons (no flip ups)
+--- 57870241
+>>57870231
+see >>57870219
+--- 57870249
+>>57870239
+And I personally simply wouldn't buy a rifle with fixed iron sights. Ever.
+--- 57870255
+>>57870199
+>>57870219
+>THE *AMRY* SAID SO
+the army has repeatedly proven its capacity for retardation which anyone who has served would be able to tell you, use your brain you hyperemotional faggot, if you think this shit is actually intermediate then you might as well consider any full-powered rifle round intermediate as well
+--- 57870263
+>>57870249
+Thats alright anon. How about carry handles ?
+--- 57870274
+>>57870263
+If it's collapsable maybe.
+If it's like on the M16 or similar i'd rather eat a bullet.
+--- 57870275
+>>57870241
+Even if they said that, they're wrong. It's nto intermediate, and you thinking it is just because some nimrod with a rank said it was makes me wonder what you know about shooting period.
+Anywho, it's a nice Sunday and I'm going to spend it shooting steel at 300m, not arguing with a likely gunless troll having fits of autism rage.
+--- 57870288
+>>57839520
+yep. the XM7 is a rifle to fight the last war. Doesn't make ANY sense for a highly mechanized and urban Pacific war that we expect to fight by the end of the decade
+--- 57870290
+>>57870199
+>the army themselves refer to it as an intermediate cartridge.
+they're wrong then, if they said the sky was green would you believe them? because that's essentially what they're doing here, if they actually said that at all.
+--- 57870297
+>>57870275
+>>57870255
+Get over it, the round was created after the army ran several research programs on a replacement intermediate caliber round, they determined a larger round than 5.56 was needed, so they settled on 6.5-6.8mm bullet this eventually finalized to a 6.8x51 bullet/catridge.
+Since all of this originally started with the goal of making a new intermediate caliber, that's what the army calls it even if by traditional standards, it is full-size.
+--- 57870307
+>>57870297
+>the army says it's an intermediate round so it's an intermediate round
+my guy you are actually retarded, I hope you're realizing this
+--- 57870326
+>>57870297
+>>57870219
+>>57870199
+>>57870111
+>>57870086
+You have to be 18 to post here
+--- 57870329
+Honestly glad I never bought Sigshit despite living in New England where it is held in such high regard because there's a manufacturing plant in NH as well as training facility. Every person I know with a gun has a Sig lmao
+>>57838141
+This picture just makes me mad that the tens of thousands I pay in taxes each year are going to niggers and goblinos to have this stuff instead of me.
+--- 57870331
+>>57870307
+You're also the retard that thinks the army wants it to pen level 4 armor despite never having said that's what they want.
+>>57870326
+Good thing I'm 31 then.
+--- 57870340
+>>57870331
+You're 31 and you have the emotional posting style of a 14 year old redditor? Damn.
+--- 57870348
+>>57870274
+damn ok brother
+--- 57870358
+>>57870331
+>You're also the retard that thinks the army wants it to pen level 4 armor
+nah, but cool backtracking attempt you noguns moron, lmfao
+--- 57870374
+>>57870340
+>the emotional posting style
+LE REDDIT POSTING MAYMAY?!@?!?!
+"reddit" posting as a meme was created to let newfags (like yourself) call someone out for "reddit" posting which was just allowing yourself to signal to everyone else that you were a newfag.
+"Reddit" posting as a format style has existed since before 4chan even existed, since it's a stylistic holdover that was popularized on tech forums and other online forum communities in the late '90s and early '00s.
+--- 57870379
+>>57870297
+>>57870219
+>>57870199
+--- 57870393
+>>57870374
+My dude are you okay?
+--- 57870402
+>>57870393
+Did you read the first line and assume it was some breakdown or something?
+I'm fine, I'm more worried about you since you've soundly outed yourself as a newfag.
+--- 57870405
+>somewhere out there is a 30-something loser spending his sunday soaking his keyboard with tears of rage as he defends a rifle he will never touch, let alone shoot
+--- 57870416
+>>57870405
+I like how to "win" you have to pretend I'm somehow angry and crying lmao
+--- 57870424
+>>57870402
+> I'm more worried about you since you've soundly outed yourself as a newfag.
+only a sigger could post this without any hint of irony.
+--- 57870437
+>>57837602 (OP)
+MIC grift
+Expect this to get dropped and everyone goes back to the M4
+>inb4 cope
+--- 57870441
+>>57870424
+Only a braindead retard thinks that me pointing out how the gun isn't shit and does exactly what the army asked for somehow makes me a "sigger".
+I don't even own ANY SIG products.
+I've got a Benelli M4 and I'm debating on AR, but haven't made any decisions yet.
+--- 57870457
+>>57870441
+>I don't even own ANY SIG products.
+you don't own any guns period dude lol
+--- 57870471
+>>57870162
+He's retarded.
+--- 57870491
+>>57870457
+Besides my Benelli M4 I also have an old Remington 870.
+I live in a state where handgun purchase is dumb and ARs are also restricted and harder to get generic models.
+In this state the only easy guns to buy are shotguns or bolt action rifles.
+--- 57870556
+>>57869943
+Which is the inclusivity the modern army wants
+--- 57870574
+>>57869958
+>One of the lightest weight BRs ever made for it's capabilities
+It’s 13.5lbs.
+>and more lethality than either .308 or 6.5meemoor
+Not in any practical sense with bullets of similar construction. Explain to me where there is a lethal hit with 6.8 that would not be a lethal hit with the other 2 in the same place.
+>both of which can do considerably more against armor than 5.56.
+Still requires multiple shots to penetrate
+You didn’t post guns. Hmm I wonder why. Even tiny ones like this are fine.
+--- 57870590
+>>57870574
+>It’s 13.5lbs.
+loaded, with optic and suppressor and other accessories.
+A fully kitted M4 can push 11+lbs too.
+--- 57870597
+>>57870058
+>Because if you don't want M4s on Mars
+I do want M4s on Mars. 1911s and M2s
+also
+--- 57870610
+>>57870086
+>enetrating high tier body armor when it was NEVER intended to do that.
+Then why did you bring it up first? You disingenuous faggot
+--- 57870631
+>>57870590
+>A fully kitted M4 can push 11+lbs too.
+No it can't.
+--- 57870632
+>>57870111
+>Who the fuck cares who started it?
+Everyone. Because you started it. Then backpedaled faster than primetime could.
+Are you jewish?
+--- 57870712
+>>57870491
+>In this state the only easy guns to buy are shotguns or bolt action rifles.
+Why aren't you being specific about the state, that narrows it down to a small handful already.
+--- 57871359
+>>57837821
+Based af fuck 5.56 nigger amerishits. .30 cal and 8mm Mauser are the lord's caliber
+--- 57871642
+>>57870631
+Not him, but yes it can with a Vortex Razor and PEQ-15, RC2, sling, and loaded magazine, it gets a little over 11 pounds. If you replace the Razor with an Aimpoint and the RC2 with the Mini 2, you're back to around 10 pounds.
+--- 57871704
+>>57837602 (OP)
+This is such an ugly fucking abomination of a gun. It looks like it belongs in that "in-between" era of experimental guns that never took off, except this is the nightmare alternate reality where it did take off and got adopted.
+--- 57871722
+>>57870631
+Lmao yes they can, and often do. Try actually being a grunt.
+--- 57872107
+>>57870150
+>in a similar size and weight package to 5.56 rifles
+If that was the goal they failed
+--- 57872140
+>>57870199
+The army also says a man can cut off his dick and be a woman. That doesn’t make it true
+--- 57872288
+>a bunch of skinnyfat nerds and obese bubbas reeing at each other about a weapons system they'll likely never put their stubby Cheeto snatchers on because they can't afford it/won't or can't join the military for a litany of psychological and physiological reasons
+Never change /k/, this is why I still come here
+--- 57872322
+>>57870297
+>intermediate caliber round, they determined a larger round than 5.56 was needed
+>larger
+>than intermediate
+>nooooooo it’s still intermediate
+Post hand and guns
+--- 57872341
+>>57870441
+>I've got a Benelli M4
+Then post it
+--- 57872359
+>>57870590
+Which is a 23% increase before factoring in mags. It’s another 2.4lbs of ammo with just 6 mags which is a 40% increase
+--- 57872457
+>>57837602 (OP)
+I'm halfway convinced it was just to have caliber parity with MG adoption
+The M250 is legitimately a good upgrade over the 249, and will probably take over the 240 as well just for weight considerations alone
+--- 57872522
+It's the inverse of what the marines did by requesting and adopting the M27 to replace the M249 but right after adoption they hoodwinked ordnance and said they're replacing their M4/16s with it instead.
+The Army wanted to replace their 308 rifles and GPMG at the same time, so they adopted this. They're not gonna stop using their M4s.
+--- 57873155
+>>57839501
+Canada banned a ton of assault rifles by name, but the Tarvor wasn't one of them, so this may be the leaf gun of choice in a few years time.
+--- 57873242
+>>57870631
+>being this fucking stupid.
+jej

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+-----
+--- 57838374
+Anybody have the leaked Ukraine documents? I was waiting for the media to get pissed to see if they were legit
+--- 57838388
+>>57838374 (OP)
+You will not find it on this board dude. A certain country is 10 days from collapsing everyday day here and so on
+--- 57838396
+>>57838374 (OP)
+Yeah
+--- 57838414
+>>57838374 (OP)
+Imagine her doing a mission in Africa. But instead of ending up killing the king warlord nigger, she gets captured and raped in a dungeon by a dozen BBCs.
+--- 57838421
+>>57838374 (OP)
+are you talking about these ones? i thought they were fake too
+--- 57838429
+>>57838414
+Mutts law.
+--- 57838453
+>>57838388
+kek
+Russia's EMBARRASSING HUMILIATING LOSSES just keep getting further and further west.
+And the documents are real, except for the part about Ukrainian casualties ohnononononono
+--- 57838454
+>>57838421
+Why?
+You think Vatniks know how to use and format MS Project?
+--- 57838456
+>>57838421
+the ones that make russia look bad are fake
+--- 57838474
+>>57838374 (OP)
+Is that ShoeOnHead? Man she's a lot different since the last time I saw her
+--- 57838475
+>>57838388
+hard projection
+--- 57838493
+>>57838453
+Russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut and never will
+--- 57838511
+>>57838374 (OP)
+https://teletype.in/@tysknip/USleak
+--- 57838514
+>>57838493
+Bakhmut is still installing the Artmemovsk operating system, its just stuck at 80% and updating since its been turned off for 30 years .
+--- 57838516
+>>57838493
+))))), pay close attention during the following couple of weeks.
+-From Z
+--- 57838522
+>>57838474
+No thats the chick they modeled Mara after in MW 2019.
+--- 57838543
+>>57838388
+Kek so true. The leaks basically completely invalidate the entire /k/ike narrative they're pushing here so you'll get banned if you post the original leak.
+--- 57838614
+>>57838543
+You mean the ones where Ukraine lost more planes and tanks than they have?
+>kek
+How to spot a glavset prostitute.
+--- 57838616
+>>57838374 (OP)
+There is nothing in the leaks concerning the war you wouldn't know if you follow it. There are some interesting international bits:
+Serbia selling weapons to UA
+Egypt wanting to sell ammunition to Rus
+SK considering supplying USA with artillery ammo so the us can move their stocks to ua
+--- 57838640
+>>57838453
+The part about UA casualties which was a '1000 hours in paint' edit?
+--- 57838678
+>>57838454
+Fair point
+--- 57838684
+>>57838374 (OP)
+I was the first to post them on /k/ (not the bad Vatnik shoops).
+--- 57838689
+>>57838421
+What gets me is it was supposedly some NG fag who leaked them. Really strange to me that some literally who NG zoomer had access to super duper totes top secret stuff relating to another country. That does more to convince me it's "fake" (intentional misinformation) than real. Operation mincemeat without the need for a body because zoomies can't be trusted with jack shit as shown by the many War Thunder leaks over the years. If that wasn't the goal and it's all legit then holy fuck the military's current security is an absolute joke, might as well be an open book to anyone who wants to read it.
+My favorite part is all the Ztards acting like it somehow means Russia isn't bogged down to a near standstill by a notably smaller force. Regardless of the situation it has taken 2/3s of a year to even get halfway into a single city. Russian gains can be measured in single digit miles per month. If instead of Russia it was the US doing this badly every single one of you faggots would rightly be saying we're getting our asses kicked.
+--- 57838698
+>>57838421
+THIS LEAK HAS KEKED ME OUT OF
+TOTAL
+ZIGGER
+DEATH
+REEEEEEEEEE
+--- 57838708
+>>57838374 (OP)
+No. Most people on /k/ haven't read them but comment in the threads anyway. The rest of /k/ and the media in general get hard when they play coy, even if they're playing coy with publicly available info. Everyone seems quite happy to give their summary, but apparently it's a step too far when I want to fact check what these arrogant fat cunts are saying
+--- 57838716
+>>57838684
+In fairness, they don't contain anything dramatically new, if you follow the war closely and have good OSINT sources like Wolski.
+What is kind of surprising is that they show that Ukraine have receiver only enough new equipment to arm 9 new brigades, while we were being told it was going to be a much higher number.
+Also what the leaks showed were that both the Russians and Ukrainians have less forces engaged than most open sources speculated.
+--- 57838733
+>>57838716
+I still can't find the remaining pages. Please post if you have more.
+BTW glowniggers can fuck off. I'm not a US resident.
+--- 57838734
+>>57838684
+I guess this is the only part of the leak allowed to be posted on /k/. the "NOT SHOOPED ORIGINAL" page where Ukraine has lowered casualties
+--- 57838741
+>>57838689
+He was some kind of an it technician, it guys usually have a wide access to info since they manage the network. Also it's not THAT top secret, not the kind of thing that exposed your agents or compromises critical systems, those are daily briefing info snippets
+--- 57838746
+>>57838708
+They were posted a week ago?
+--- 57838747
+>>57838733
+--- 57838759
+>>57838734
+UA favored documents predate the Rus photoshops by weeks
+--- 57838783
+>>57838759
+Yes, it must be a huge EMBARRASSMENT for anyone to say otherwise. Because that would be believing VATNIK DISINFO.
+EVERYONE on /k/ knows that the original documents favored Ukraine. You don't even need to have been there when it happened, you just know it , because vatniks always lie and anyone who believes vatnik DISINFO is a 5th column /pol/.
+--- 57838804
+>>57838783
+https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/04/09/from-discord-to-4chan-the-improbable-journey-of-a-us-defence-leak/
+We both know you're not going to read it but just so you can fuck off
+--- 57838824
+>>57838783
+>EVERYONE on /k/ knows that the original documents favored Ukraine.
+Half of the retards here still think the leaks are fake, despite this blowing up in the media and the US DoD pursuing and snagging the leaker.
+--- 57838828
+>>57838716
+>Wolski
+--- 57838830
+>>57838747
+>>57838733
+>>57838716
+what do these mean? more red squares than green squares bad for ukraine?
+--- 57838831
+>>57838374 (OP)
+PM'd you
+--- 57838845
+>>57838374 (OP)
+You missed it. Nothing you find now can be confirmed because there have been hundreds of edits dumped. What's available on the Internet now is too polluted to know what you're looking at. Your last chance was about a week ago ... so, go to the /k/ archives and look for the first posted images, then trace them backwards through other boards &amp; websites to confirm what was originally available. Have fun with that.
+--- 57838850
+>>57838684
+Where did you get yours from?
+--- 57838864
+>>57838850
+Thug Shaker Central
+--- 57838885
+>>57838453
+This poster is true, every week they get 3 feet closer to Kyiv. In 25,000 years Ukraine is FUCKED
+--- 57838889
+>>57838543
+What's your opinion on the leaks showing Russia losing 50,000 soldiers?
+--- 57838897
+>>57838830
+>what do these mean? more red squares than green squares bad for ukraine?
+Why don't you read a book maybe Zoomie zoom zoom?
+You need everything to be spoonfed to little babby brain zoomie?
+Open wide zoomie, here comes the aeroplane, say AHHHHHH
+The Russians use different force structure. Ukrainian brigades are much larger units and are represented thus with fewer symbols.
+Plus it literally tells you in the map legend the Russians have 23,000 personnel in Bakhmut vs. 10,000-20,000 for Ukraine who are being constantly rotated.
+I swear, we need mass conscription of the whole Zoomer population to be fed into a ground war with China or something, so that the last 30 years of devolution and dysgenics in the gene pool can be reversed.
+--- 57838900
+>>57838747
+This was the fake one, check the obvious shoop on the casualties and aircraft losses.
+--- 57838912
+>>57838864
+Telegram.
+--- 57838925
+>>57838900
+>This was the fake one, check the obvious shoop on the casualties and aircraft losses.
+Oh shit, you're right. Got mixed into my folder.
+--- 57838927
+>>57838912
+Telegram was late to the party, it went through 3 discords first
+--- 57838937
+>>57838746
+About 6 pages out of public leak of about 100 and a further 200+ potentially trapped in the Discord
+--- 57838949
+>>57838927
+But I'm not a zoomie.
+Still, I was the first to post on /k/.
+t. Pikachad.
+--- 57838955
+>>57838925
+It's still funny as fuck to look at again.
+--- 57838957
+>>57838897
+so which squares are better? If you had to choose a square, what square would you be? I like the brighter red square with the "X" in it :)
+--- 57838960
+>>57838949
+tfw I'm on a discord but it's for a boomer game so everyone is 30+ anyway
+--- 57838961
+>>57838741
+Still extremely strange that he was just able to casually access and take them. The fact that they hunted down and nabbed the guy could easily just be selling the leak and making it seem more legitimate. Also probably a solid excuse to make an example. Again though, even if it's legit it doesn't really change much to me. The Russians are still gaining shockingly little ground over a disturbingly long time at absurd costs. Bakhmut will be Russia's Isonzo.
+I'd expect secret and top secret stuff to be secured and encrypted in such a way some random NG IT guy wouldn't be able to just casually yoink them or even see what they are. If they're just raw and can be easily accessed by even the NG's IT guys it's not actually a secret. That's a HUGE security issue and would mean it's heinously easy for vodkanig and chink spies to get into.
+--- 57838962
+>>57838689
+>supposedly some NG fag
+Massachusetts Air National GUard, 21 year old faglord who was posting shit to his gaming discord group since 2020. He was a chairforce wannabe, but not good enough for even that. They had him managing part of a network, with "security clearance" to access servers that general, lower level info was kept on for reference.
+They interviewed some sub-zoomer teen who called him a "father figure," totally into guns, republicans, God, games, and presented himself as an "authority" on the Ukraine war. For the last three years he was impressing teen zoomies with how hard he was in the intelligence community by posting various shit.
+Going out on a limb here and I'll suggest he probably had an abovetopsecret account. Or something(s) similar. The media is already trying to pass him off as some sort of a Snowden-like whistleblower.
+--- 57838968
+>>57838955
+Yeh, when I first saw it I knew it was fucky because of the retarded edit to the aircraft losses. I could personally count more visual RU aircraft losses than what the Vatniks claimed.
+--- 57838982
+>>57838961
+I'd prefer that the government was this super powerful cabal if 10d strategists, but the truth is it's made of regular people, and the quality of human material gets worse with each generation
+--- 57839007
+>>57838824
+I believe the leak is real but there are so many photoshopped versions that the real one is lost in the misinformation
+Omg this is just like the Codec call with the AI in MGS2, it’s just like my video games!
+--- 57839009
+>>57838957
+Ukrainian mechanized brigades are the top dogs in that theatre.
+--- 57839021
+>>57839007
+>real one is lost in the misinformation
+The shoops are primitive and stupid and immediately give away if the document is altered, like here:>>57838747
+Only morons appear confused, which is actually half of /k/.
+--- 57839024
+>>57838421
+POSTING IT IS ILLEGAL AND YOU WILL GO TO JAIL
+--- 57839046
+>>57838453
+>bakhmut is west of kherson
+this geographic knowledge proves this poster is an actual burger, not an oblastposter
+--- 57839205
+>>57838962
+If that's the case he's never seeing daylight that hasn't passed through frosted security glass again lol. If I had some zoomie with "above top secret" clearance working for me in that field meaning they had access to the rawe documents I'd have that little bastard monitored multiple ways for exactly this sort of thing. If he's a patsy he was probably chosen specifically though. Bet the risk of him doing that was painfully obvious. Guys like that don't exactly hide their delusions of grandeur or their desire to be seen as a badass well. A lot of people should be in a world of shit over this if it's been going on for over 3 years and it wasn't planned leaking of misinformation.
+>>57838982
+Keeping secret and top secret stuff encrypted and server access well monitored at bare minimum isn't some super impressive feat. It's incredibly embarrassing that this was even able to happen if it wasn't outright planned.
+Intentionally "leaking" misinformation isn't some super hard thing either btw, it's been bone for ages. The British took it a step further than normal in WWII's Operation Mincemeat though. Dressed of a dead hobo as an officer, loaded him with documentation to make him look legit, and stuffed him with juicy but bad info. Then they stuck him in the ocean at a location where his body would drift to a place someone would surely find him and pass the documents to the Germans.
+--- 57839254
+>>57838421
+Isn't it illegal to post this?
+--- 57839367
+>>57838889
+much less than the 100k commonly cited
+--- 57839403
+>>57839254
+It's illegal to leak them, since they've already leaked though you're not breaking any laws by reposting them.
+--- 57839424
+>>57839396
+>muh Joos!
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
+Who are you even kidding Ivan?
+--- 57839428
+>>57839396
+Why u always lyin'?
+--- 57839440
+>>57839396
+>You get banned you post it here since it doesn't align with the narrative pushed here.
+But the leaks confirmed Pucciya losing 2000 of their most modern MBTs and another 8000 IFVs in addition to 200,000 killed and wounded.
+--- 57839465
+I for one welcome our incompetent zoomer army. maybe we'll get our asses kicked for real and stop our worldwide mayhem hobby.
+--- 57839475
+>>57839403
+>According to Mr Stransky, the plain text of the Espionage Act does not differentiate between the original source of information, the platform it was leaked on or whether - or not - those sharing it are within the government.
+>Legally speaking, this means that anyone sharing the documents could be "equally liable for breaking the law", he added.
+--- 57839478
+>>57839254
+Lol. Lmao even.
+Fuck off glowie no one will fall for it. No one would care even if it was true.
+--- 57839502
+>>57839475
+If something becomes common knowledge, then the Espionage Act no longer legally applies, since its non-enforcable.
+--- 57839513
+Damn, I love the fact that russians are killing themselves by the bushel for free.
+--- 57839519
+>>57839367
+Imagine how rabidly the Ztards would jump on the US for KIA numbers that high. Even just 50k casualties including wounded in a year would have them proudly crowing about it.
+--- 57839567
+>>57838689
+He was in an intel unit. It’s not that surprising he’d have access to a generic daily briefing
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/102nd_Intelligence_Wing
+--- 57840797
+>>57839205
+>some zoomie with "above top secret" clearance
+You've misunderstood the post you replied to. There is a website/conspiracy forum with that name. Among others. Qtarded little shitwits have been using it for decades, and there have been several "incidents" where someone thought they could post there anonymously.
+> Search String: "above top secret forum"
+If /pol/ &amp; /x/ had a moron love child, that would be it. Except, it probably predates 4chan &amp; Stormfront and most other similar communities.
+--- 57841087
+>>57839367
+Yet much more than in any conflict Russia has participated since World War II.
+--- 57841118
+>>57839367
+50k dead you inbred tard. 200k estimated out of action, and 200k men who could’ve worked real jobs back in Russia and save it from disaster holy shit
+--- 57841158
+>>57841118
+Going to be a whole lot of fun when they realize all the electricians and plumbers became fertilizer.
+--- 57841169
+>>57840797
+Thank you for clarifying, and that's fucking hilarious lol.
+--- 57841236
+>>57838374 (OP)
+>>57838421
+let's hope the leaks are fake for the glowies sake, it would be a shame if their reports were filled with glaring mistakes like picrel
+--- 57842287
+Everything I got was from /pol/, /k/, twitter, a random chinese site, and a random israeli site.
+--- 57842311
+There were pictures of some of these on national news broadcast but they were blurred.
+--- 57842316
+Which means they were shown to several people in their org. Just like what I'm doing here.
+--- 57842348
+How to convince Israel to supply lethal aid to Ukraine
+--- 57842355
+>>57838388
+Are you a bot.
+No seriously why else would you post the same low effort 1-2 short sentence posts in every thread.
+I'm glad you've stopped using /k/ope though you were giving yourself away.
+--- 57842358
+Battle damage assessment
+--- 57842359
+>muh top secret
+Literally the only surprising thing is that the Pentagon claims numbers of soldiers involved are much lower than we all thought
+--- 57842368
+Page 2 of 8 from some sort of daily news briefing
+--- 57842374
+Black sea sorties
+--- 57842381
+I think this is 1 of 8
+--- 57842387
+>>57842322
+This is the only one that seems actually kinda nasty when it leaked.
+--- 57842391
+another battle damage assessment
+--- 57842400
+3 of 8
+--- 57842410
+>>57838747
+The unedited version
+--- 57842414
+>>57842358
+These things have got to have been the groomer faghot larping with partly real product, but mostly his own autism. There's no way any agency or int officer would let an assessment with that many errors in spelling, grammar and terminology.
+--- 57842418
+Found this on the Israeli site, never seen it anywhere else or unblurred
+--- 57842427
+>>57842387
+Personally I want to see what they mean by Frankensam
+They sticking western missiles in IRIS tubes or just bolting them onto the side of the launchers? Lmao.
+--- 57842435
+>>57838684
+This map's assessment is for a day earlier
+--- 57842445
+more BDA
+--- 57842450
+4 of 8
+--- 57842461
+forward lines of troops around Bahkmut
+--- 57842482
+ROK 155 delivery timeline
+--- 57842494
+Ukraine troops around Bahkmut as assessed by US
+--- 57842501
+Russian advance on Bakhmut
+--- 57842513
+Bakhmut Topographical Tactical Map
+--- 57842518
+CIA Update
+--- 57842522
+Daily Intel Update
+--- 57842532
+>>57838374 (OP)
+Holy shit, what a fucking idiot.
+--- 57842533
+>>57842400
+>Artillery unpackaged and stored in an open field
+Jesus christ what the fuck KEK
+--- 57842541
+Battle for the Donbas Region Likely Heading for a Stalemate through 2023
+--- 57842543
+>>57838830
+>>57838957
+This grimoire contains the secrets of NATO rune magic:
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Joint_Military_Symbology
+--- 57842558
+>>57839024
+For undercooking the chicken or overcooking the fish?
+--- 57842560
+>>57839024
+Not how that works.
+--- 57842562
+That's it aside from close ups of things already posted like picrel
+--- 57842588
+others exist but I've not seen them
+--- 57842604
+>>57842588
+The glimpse of the satellite hacking one seems interesting.
+I told faggots here they were doing more than just jamming satellites.
+Shame I can't trust it.
+--- 57842617
+>>57838684
+>boomers just printing out stuff then forgetting it on the desk
+--- 57842621
+>>57838374 (OP)
+>21 year old sad lonely autist spends the rest of his life in Leavenworth because a kid on a minecraft discord server named after a gay black porn meme called him a cuck
+lmao
+--- 57842634
+>>57839205
+I mean the bongs are actually likely part of this one too. This sort of operational misinformation is literally par for the course and we know they're heavily involved operationally in Ukraine.
+--- 57842635
+>>57842427
+FrankenSAM is probably the program to jerry-rig the Buk to fire Sea Sparrows.
+--- 57842651
+>>57842518
+Why is Hungary acting like the United States even knows they exist?
+--- 57842664
+>>57842651
+Not sure, but today they capitulated and won't be working with a sanctioned Russian bank.
+>BUDAPEST, April 13 (Reuters) - Hungary's government has decided to withdraw its representatives from the Russia-controlled International Investment Bank (IIB) and will quit it, the Economic Development Ministry said on Thursday.
+>The decision comes a day after the United States imposed sanctions on three top officials of IIB in Budapest: two Russians and a Hungarian.
+>Despite agreeing to withdraw from the bank, Hungary expressed frustration at being pushed to do so.
+>The Czech Republic, Poland and Slovakia have completed their withdrawal from the IIB, while Romania will exit in June. At the end of January, Hungary held a 25.27% stake in IIB, the second biggest stake after Russia with 45.44% according to the bank's website.
+--- 57842700
+>>57842651
+There's a few govt sinecures trying to nag them gay
+--- 57842788
+>>57842374
+This is the one with the most interesting piece of info, but everyone glossed over it because it just looks like air deconfliction and sortie info. The UK nearly had a drone I haven't heard of before shot down.
+--- 57842808
+>>57838429
+She's got black in her anyway so nothing of value would be lost if she got railed by a pack of wild BBC's
+--- 57842817
+>>57838962
+>Going out on a limb here and I'll suggest he probably had an abovetopsecret account.
+I think ATS is bit too boomerish for 21 year old zoomers. That forum is older than him.
+>>57840797
+>Except, it probably predates 4chan &amp; Stormfront and most other similar communities.
+It predates 4chan, but not Stormfront.
+>>57842427
+>They sticking western missiles in IRIS tubes
+IRIS-T SL is western system. IRIS-T is Kraut/Italian/Swedish short to medium-ish range IR-AAM with surface launched version and longer range radar guided surface launched version under development.
+>>57842621
+Leavenworth isolation cells created broken MANning. I wonder how zoomie will handle it.
+--- 57842834
+>>57842788
+UK RC-135W Rivet Joint
+--- 57842853
+>>57842788
+>>57842834
+seems like this was reported on already and it was a plane not a drone.
+>LONDON, Oct 20 (Reuters) - A Russian fighter jet released a missile near an unarmed British spy plane patrolling in international airspace over the Black Sea on Sept. 29, UK defence minister Ben Wallace said, in an apparent accident and not a deliberate escalation of tensions.
+--- 57842893
+>>57842853
+>>57842834
+Then it's further evidence that the leak is partly real and partly autism larp fiction by the groomer kid, or evidence that RC135 is optionally crewed (ie that RJ 41BLK is a drone RC135 you've never heard of). The sortie info for September says there were no manned UK sorties.
+--- 57842979
+>>57842322
+>Ukraine has 700 SA-3s in storage
+Interesting
+--- 57843000
+>>57842817
+>manning wasn't a histrionic homo before imprisonment
+yeah
+--- 57843020
+>>57842817
+>MANning
+He joined the Air Force because of his dysphoria and thought that an overwhelming masculine environment would force him to be manly.
+Also, Manning was sentenced to 35 years which was commuted by Obama so only served 7 years. I bet this kid gets longer because of the racist slurs on video.
+--- 57843036
+>>57839205
+But these docs aren't printouts of something off a server. They're printed on high-quality heavy stock and folded into quarters as though intended to be carried in a briefcase.
+--- 57843051
+>>57838962
+>exposing top secret information to an alt-right zoomer discord tranny
+lmao, exactly who in the IC thought this was a good idea?
+--- 57843057
+>>57842501
+See, shit like this isn't classified. Herr Panzerface gave us a rundown on this a month ago. Multiple axes of advance with no apparent coordination between them -- he identified five, not three, and his disdain was apparent.
+--- 57843058
+>>57842979
+700 missiles 5 fixed sites to fire from with 40 km range.
+>Non-mobile, fixed sited. Least capable SAM system
+--- 57843127
+>>57843020
+>Air Force
+>overwhelming masculine environment
+kek
+--- 57843168
+>>57843000
+He was and still is certainly a faggot.
+>>57843020
+Dude was in Army.
+>>57843051
+We are talking about military intelligence here. It has reputation for being a oxymoron.
+--- 57843186
+>>57838421
+legis this page is the crux. Presumably Russia can tell what Ukrainian unit is where at minimum which gives away much of the game. Of this is an amazing super convincing psyop but I really doubt that given apparently a real US citizen is being held responsible
+--- 57843230
+>>57838421
+What are the XXX tanks by country TBD
+--- 57843243
+>>57841118
+>>57841118
+Still. Much. Less. Than. The. Hundreds. Of. Thousands. Khokhole. Propaganda. Claimed.
+Capisce???
+Also more importantly, according to the leak, Ukraine will be out of S300 missiles by May. That's huge, Russia will finally have air superiority. It's over. Can't fucking wait.
+--- 57843273
+>>57843243
+When has any official Ukrainian source ever claimed hundredS of thousands KIA
+--- 57843430
+>>57838421
+Yikes, they really aren't ready for a spring offensive
+The constant rain keeping the mud in place is definitely god looking out for them
+--- 57843442
+>>57843430
+looks like the plan was for the spring offensive to start two weeks ago
+--- 57843513
+>>57843230
+Something to do with smuggling of pornography and spreading degeneracy. Perfidious Anglos did this Netherlands in 1944, effects are still felt today. Their most important tourist attraction is fucking red light district and entire fucking country copes with by 24/7 420 blaze it.
+--- 57843539
+>>57843273
+He's a Turdworlder that doesnt know the difference between KIA and Casualties
+If you assume the standard 1 to 3 casualtie rate conversion using the Leaked KIA numbers then the Official Ukrainian Estimate of Russian casualties is quite accurate (like 150k)
+--- 57843823
+>>57843230
+>ussia will finally have air superiority. It's over. Can't fucking wait.
+AHAHAHAHAHAH
+--- 57843877
+>>57838474
+Holy shit, Alex is actually ShoeOnHead???
+--- 57843945
+>>57843243
+This. Post. Is. Seething. So. Hard. Kek.
+What you're seeing anon, is the casualties for a section of the front. Specifically Bahkmut.
+Sorry to ruin your fun.
+--- 57843987
+>>57843945
+below the casulty numbers it says that Russia lost 6000 vehicles
+they didn't lose that in Bakhmut alone, even Oryx claims that they lost 10000 vehicles in the entire war
+therefore it is for the entire war
+--- 57844029
+>>57838543
+have you actually read the docs? Im now even more convinced russia is fucked
+>>57838747
+>>57842410
+why keep posting this page specifically when a much better page exists for losses specifically, picrel
+--- 57844037
+>>57844029
+--- 57844079
+>>57838374 (OP)
+>virgin boomer: selling pentagon secrets to appease your shitty venezualan wife and buy a jaguar
+>chad zoomer: taking pictures of internal memos in order to win arguments on discord while youre living in your moms basement
+--- 57844083
+>>57838421
+They are partly edited.
+Basically: the documents are real. What's on them, not necessarily. Some of those posted documents for example state Russian MoD propaganda numbers that we know for a fact aren't true as being the case. I.e. some of the edited numbers gave Russia 7:1 K/D... which is completely unrealistic.
+The unedited version gives 2.5 K/D in favor of Ukraine.
+>>57843430
+Mud season doesn't end until late May. The Ukrainians should know that.
+--- 57844131
+my hotwife :)
+--- 57844175
+>>57843020
+What video ? Have a link ?
+--- 57844185
+if it was this easy for a random nobody to print out these plans and leak them for bragging rights on a discord, then russian and chinese intelligence already had access to this
+I don't think they learned anything new, but it's embarassing for the usa
+--- 57844707
+>>57844185
+That makes me think the poor bastard was a designated fall guy, and he fell for it. They don't give two shits about enlisted, and will fuck him over just to make sure that the enemy gets bad information. At least the bongs were kind enough to use a dead guy in WWII.
+Unless this kid volunteered for this...
+--- 57844971
+Some of these documents are very out of date. Wish he had leaked recent stuff only
+--- 57845035
+>>57842322
+The rest of the leaks if true are very positive for Ukraine except this. This is very worrying, but it is 2 months out of date hopefully they have had missiles/systems delivered since
+--- 57845413
+>>57845035
+Ziggers like to bring this up all the time, but has everyone forgotten how many AA systems NATO has sent to Ukraine? It's literally a testing ground for anyone wanting to test their shit
+--- 57845708
+>>57844175
+His underage discord "friend" gave an interview with wapo or something and described the video of him saying racist and antisemitic words then shooting guns.
+--- 57845810
+>>57844037
+Russia has a K/D ratio above one, as long as you include civilian deaths.
+--- 57846235
+>>57845708
+ok he's 100% fucked lol
+--- 57846864
+>>57845708
+literally /ourguy/
+--- 57846996
+>>57842543
+Is that "do not microwave" or "drycleaner only?"
+Asking for a friend.
+--- 57847055
+>>57838374 (OP)
+Who OP qt3.14? Sauce please
+--- 57847095
+>>57845035
+The multitude of short-medium systems they've received are surely enough to continue to protected areas against drone swarms and cruise missiles.
+The S-300s are not surprising as Ukraine doesn't manufacture missiles for it - they were bound to run out as most pieces of that platform were USSR hand-me-downs. Other ex combloc countries can help backfill but likely it will provide impetus for Patriots to be provided to fill in that long range gap in the bubble. While the long range cruise missile launches are still taking place, their impact is not that large in the grand scheme of things. Russian Kalibers/Kinzhals whatever the fuck are likely being depleted at a similar rate as Ukraine expends BUK/S300s, and it doubtful Russia has deep pockets with those sort of PGMs.
+--- 57847134
+>>57838493
+One elevator at a time.
+--- 57847190
+>>57838374 (OP)
+Id like to shoot a load (of semen from my cock) into this woman's vagina if you know what I mean
+--- 57847249
+>>57842368
+None of you cumstains cares that Putin is undergoing Chemotherapy as of early March?
+This has a FISA warning on it too. So this was maybe picked up for phone conversations being recorded?
+--- 57847439
+>>57847249
+>implying anyone reads these things instead of just looking at pictures
+--- 57847512
+>>57847439
+literally me
+--- 57847628
+>>57842322
+>Courses of Action:
+>Military Deception
+kek
+--- 57849071
+>>57838453
+What about the page that says Ukraine is loosing 7 men to every Russian?
+How about western SF's operating in Ukraine and they still can't win?
+How about spring offensive getting pushed back to summer?
+You retards actually believe the Pentagon leaker leaked the documents then photo shopped it to make it look like Russia is winning?
+--- 57849103
+>>57849071
+DO NOT REEDEEMEE SIR
+--- 57850403
+>>57842322
+What the fuck is "Project FrankenSAM"?
+--- 57850498
+>>57850403
+Slapping sea sparrows on BUK’s.
+--- 57850856
+>>57839367
+casualties do not mean only KIA you dumb fucking shit
+--- 57850924
+>>57844707
+you are way overthinking it. If intelligence apparatus bureaucrats had even a quarter of the "god works in mysterious ways" power level paranoid tard on the net claim the world would be a very different place right now. This goes for everybody, specially the asiatic face saving shitbirds like vatnigs and chinks that have a in built motive to lie to themselves on every level of the machine
+--- 57850932
+>>57838374 (OP)
+Got you famurai
+--- 57850946
+>>57847249
+>cares that Putin is undergoing Chemotherapy as of early March?
+he has been sick for a while. His bloated face has been the ground of making fun of him ever since the start of the war dumbass
+--- 57850956
+>>57838374 (OP)
+https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=war&amp;no=3271888
+--- 57851050
+>>57850956
+nice, a bunch not posted here already
+--- 57851059
+>>57838388
+Haiti?
+--- 57851084
+>everyone once-again forgotten that top secret doesn't always mean 'omg literally no one can know about this or were all dead' tier shit
+--- 57851114
+>>57838804
+Bellingcat is strait up cia propaganda
+--- 57851184
+>>57847055
+https://www.youtube.com/@Alex_zedra
+--- 57851218
+>>57839367
+If I recall, it listed KIA and for bakhmut only
+--- 57851235
+>>57838374 (OP)
+what is the appeal of "manly" grils who pretend to like guns? is it so you can feel less gay about wanting to fuck guys?
+--- 57851253
+>>57851235
+If you think a woman stops being a woman because they aren't a dainty delicate wallflower wholly incapable of fundamental life tasks, you're kind of just a piece of shit.
+--- 57851261
+>>57851253
+you into bodybuilding bitches bud?
+--- 57851331
+>>57838421
+looks like a lot of the equipment and training isn't ready for the spring offensive..I guess they better call of the distraction of bank collapse/ food crisis / toxic rail disaster they were planning. Here is a gay nigga - he's an army one. He attacks anuses with his tougue..
+--- 57851364
+>>57851261
+If you think the girl in the webm is a "bodybuilding bitch" you're delusional, anon, I'm sorry.
+--- 57851397
+>>57838374 (OP)
+This chick is sad. Last year she was mad because the dude who lives above her makes a lot of noise. Imagine doing all the e-whoring she's done but still being stuck in an apartment.
+--- 57851568
+>>57842355
+I hope congressional offices are called and asked why US foreign policy is reactive to Israel. SAMs are the weapon that will incite a overwhelming response UA can't withstand.
+--- 57851829
+>>57842461
+Look at that scale. I've seen boy scout jamborees with a bigger AO. Can those faggots stop sucking each other off long enough to move the lines?
+--- 57851842
+>>57842418
+Fucking kikes. How quickly would this end if more Americans knew who was behind it.
+--- 57851892
+>>57838689
+>you faggots would rightly be saying we're getting our asses kicked
+indiscriminately slaughtering sand niggers and waging a "brothers war" are not the same
+--- 57851981
+>>57851892
+Don't try to bullshit your way out of admitting Russia's getting it's shit kicked in.
+--- 57852032
+Russia, Europe, &amp; Eurasia
+--- 57852047
+>>57852032
+--- 57852059
+EU Northern Ireland Africa
+--- 57852070
+Wagner/Vagner in Africa; Western Hemisphere Bolivia; Cyber China
+--- 57852084
+Russia stuff
+--- 57852094
+China
+--- 57852109
+Near East; Africa
+--- 57852117
+Africa
+--- 57852130
+Latin America
+--- 57852131
+>>57852070
+Ty homie
+--- 57852149
+this might be summaries of things already posted
+and that's it
+--- 57852218
+Thank you for the docs.
+they will be an interesting read.
+--- 57852235
+>>57842335
+Lmao "it's not "failing" it's just not working because of two failures in parts"
+--- 57852796
+Maybe I'm retarded, but I've skimmed these docs and I'm not seeing anything we didn't already know or suspect. Am I missing something?
+--- 57852808
+>>57852796
+Nope. It's a power point of the most surface level bullshit- nobody except retards are excited about it.
+--- 57852971
+>>57852796
+The internet has resulted in open source intelligence that would blow the minds of central warplanners in WWII.
+--- 57853111
+>>57852796
+>reads list of special forces operating in ukraine
+>"but i knew that"
+crawl out of your own ass
+--- 57853279
+>>57853111
+Less likely operating operationally against russians and more likely doing training and checking that the ukrainians are just selling war aid on the black market (remember the short-lived outrage when it turned out some stuff was being sold off instead of going to the front). But people see SOF mentioned and think of the Navy Seals movie.
+--- 57853508
+>>57839475
+The espionage act is sufficiently unconstitutional for the government to avoid getting it nullified by abusing it. Courts have held that the first amendment protects the publication of classified info. Anyone suggesting otherwise is a disinformation agent, and even thinking that some nonsense secret squirrel circlejerk by illegitimate 3 letter agencies should be able to govern the behavior of US citizens is as unamerican as it gets. Of course, the government has previously illustrated its ability to ruin people's lives with no legal standing through procedural abuse, but you DO have the constitutional right to share it so long as the intent is to inform.
+--- 57853667
+>>57839475
+IS THIS WHY ALL THE UK GUARDIAN STAFF AND EDITORS WENT TO PRISON FOR LIFE AFTER THE SNOWDEN LEAKS?
+--- 57853687
+>>57853619
+meds
+--- 57853729
+>>57839021
+>Only morons appear confused
+But those are the numbers Fox News ran with. 7 to 1 casualties in favor of Russia. Are you saying Fox News ran Russian military disinfo or something?
+--- 57853741
+>>57853717
+I remember this particular piece of psyop from early weeks of the war.
+--- 57853913
+>>57853111
+I knew British special forces were there because why wouldn’t we be, we’re perfidious Albion after all
+--- 57853924
+>>57853698
+How many mobniks is that car worth? 30,000? More?
+--- 57853928
+haha, idiot hohol does not realize that earth is round, every time we "retreat" glorious motherland is actually advancing
+--- 57853954
+>>57853698
+>>57853717
+Again, meds.
+--- 57854110
+>>57849071
+Which page is that I only have the one showing twice as many dead russians
+--- 57854131
+>>57854024
+>Hersh
+Don’t this guy thinks that the Knights of Malta secretly control the US army?
+--- 57854414
+>>57854190
+>doesnt this nigger say theres only 10,000 wounded UA soldiers
+No? He said that Ukraine had about 100.000 casualties back in November. Like, are you retard?
+--- 57855957
+>>57842340
+What is this retardation, are they unironically not even trying to get real numbers because it'd be too sensitive
+--- 57855987
+>>57853619
+Why did you put a UK flag on him?
+--- 57855996
+What are the special forces doing in Ukraine? Clearly none have been captured or they'd be paraded.
+--- 57855997
+>>57850403
+firing sam hydes
+--- 57856079
+>>57841118
+>200k men who could’ve worked real jobs back in Russia and save it from disaster holy shit.
+..but hey..at least Putin is scared to leave the house. (sorry apparently Im an out of touch boomer now and can only offer cheap quips)
+--- 57856097
+>>57853111
+>Less than 100 people
+That's enough to provide security to the diplomatic/logistics oversight people we have there + some trainers, if they were actually involved in combat/spooky shit in anyway there would be way more. New to no one.
+--- 57856111
+>>57855996
+Mix of security for whatever the US still has over there diplomatically, trainers and probably some liaison types for passing on US Intel/picking up captured Russian shit the glowies wanna look over.
+--- 57856120
+>both sides suffered heavy losses fighting over a tiny backwater town in the middle of nowhere
+>nobody is winning
+>no change likely in the near future
+>this is somehow top secret intelligence
+--- 57856141
+>>57856120
+That's not all anon, we also found out that the US government is spying on everyone, not just enemy nations!
+--- 57856156
+>>57853619
+Right wing memes used to be so good, now they’re just like shopping 20 boosters and a pride flag onto what you don’t like. They’re like a retarded picture book version of leftoid wall of text memes
+--- 57856181
+>>57853928
+kek
+--- 57856207
+>>57856156
+Today's /pol/acks aren't the same "right wing" you're thinking of. Basically the equal yet opposite of you average blue haired landwhale or screeching onions swilling retard.
+--- 57856368
+>>57856207
+I guess it was more 4chan memes being good before we got flooded with facebook boomers
+--- 57856395
+>>57853111
+did you actually believe there are no SF on standby in Ukraine ? watching/protecting advisor? preparing US visits? watching stuff like US embassy? waiting to evacuate some tar American? Picking up abadooned equipment and collecting SIGINT? Doin the shit jobs?
+what...
+--- 57856419
+>>57856156
+This isn't a "Right Wing" meme this is some glavset IRA communist faggot in Russia's idea of what a right wing meme is.
+--- 57856810
+We will know in one year.
+--- 57857479
+>>57855997
+lel
+--- 57860088
+>>57856097
+Never said they were involved in combat, learn to read. And no, you didn't know there were special forces there
+>>57856395
+Never said there were no special forces in Ukraine, learn to read
+--- 57860436
+>>57860088
+so... it means nothing?
+--- 57862275
+>>57843186
+So the US knows what and which units are being raised by the Ukraine military outside of Ukraine and this makes you presume Russia also knows? Why?
+--- 57862472
+>>57838716
+To be fair the documents are dated to January and February. And the info used may be older than that. You'd have to use what the documents show and add in newer developments to bring it up to date.
+--- 57862503
+>>57838708
+>>57838937
+Only like 10 pages or so have been saved from the original and published is why. Most of what was leaked stayed on the Thug Shaker Central Orthodox Christianity server and with their members.
+--- 57862543
+>>57839367
+You lost 50k men in a year instead of 100k. Congratulations. You want a medal?
+--- 57862620
+>>57855957
+It means they can only get numbers that are partial at best with a lot of effort on their own part. Basically, the Russians and Ukrainians aren't giving their numbers.
+--- 57862671
+>57851842
+Unironic bot post.
+--- 57862762
+>>57844083
+How likely is that the casualty numbers don't count the separatists and mercenaries?
+--- 57862810
+>>57851184
+>>57838374 (OP)
+She looks like Italian fit curvy porn slut Megan Fiore but with light eyes.
+--- 57862857
+>>57839513
+damn i wanna buy a cadillac now
+--- 57862889
+>>57838374 (OP)
+A woman would think Kriss Vectors are good.
+--- 57862905
+>>57852032
+What the hell is "The Farm"? It doesn't seem to be Prighozin's troll farms.
+--- 57862943
+>>57852047
+Oh boy, this fucking brief. This really should be posted more.
+>On 21 February, FSB officials claimed the Defense Ministry was excluding the deaths of soldiers fighting with the Russian National Guard, Vagner, Chechen leader Kadyrov's mercenaries and other unnoficial organizations. They calculated the actual number of Russians wounded and killed in action was closer to 110,000.
+The Ruskies have lost more than 50k dead haven't they? Imagine the state of the separatists then...
+--- 57862972
+>>57852059
+LMAO UN being progressive little shits fucking things up again.
+--- 57862993
+>>57860088
+https://nypost.com/2022/03/16/ukrainians-got-secret-cia-training-after-russias-crimea-invasion/
+SF and CIA spooks have always been there, it's literally nothing new.
+--- 57863009
+>>57852070
+>US experts think Lula will help "curb" the communist faggotry Arce is doing in Bolivia at Evo Morales' behest
+Lmao so much for all that Ivy League education.
+--- 57863216
+>>57853741
+I like that the source is a fucking anonymous ESL person on a social media site named "Wignat Woodcock" who starts the post by saying he knows a guy in a PMC and no more details. I also like how this anonymous social media profile says Russia is using lots of conscripts even though the Russian military can't use conscripts without a declaration of war hence their constant problems with lack of manpower and recruitment for the war.
+--- 57863328
+>>57856395
+looks like the Indian members of the Ukrainian Foreign Legion is hard at work...
+--- 57863393
+>>57862993
+You're not reading my post
+You're not reading your own links
+You expect me to believe you've read and understood these top secret documents?
+--- 57863469
+>>57851253
+They dont physically stop being a female human. They just dont embody any sort of feminine virtue or worth.
+--- 57863486
+>>57839009
+I like the paint job :)
+--- 57863661
+>>57838374 (OP)
+shes cute , the tattoos are kinda dumb , but as a millennial Ive come to expect them from the women in my age group
+--- 57864068
+>>57863661
+at least its a sleeve and not those tiny tattoos women put randomly over there body.
+--- 57864301
+>>57842322
+If western deliveries of AD systems don't ramp up to match Russian volume, this is the one I can see that will break Ukraine. That loss of long range is going to badly hurt. Best course of action barring that is diverting resources away from defending civilian infrastructure but that gets bad for politics even for the most zealous of defenders.
+--- 57864911
+>>57842418
+>even Mossad is seething over the judicial reform
+I knew we were in for some keks when Netanyahu picked James Mason's Jewish counterpart as the second most powerful man in the country.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir
+--- 57865277
+>>57856156
+Right wing memes were never good. It's just that left wingers can't meme, and so anti-left memes were.
+--- 57866042
+>>57842543
+Wheeled mounted infantry. Idk what the line running vertically at the left side denotes.
+--- 57866237
+>>57864068
+I saw a flabby 50 year old with a butterfly on her upper back/neck area while shopping. God damn how long have women been doing this? I almost laughed out loud
+--- 57866306
+>>57853729
+Sure dude
+--- 57866315
+>>57850932
+>Black History
+That's what got me
+--- 57867431
+>>57842617
+Actually, chunky, they were retrieved from a burn bag. That lazy millenial ass failed at his job ensuring their destruction. Behaviour that pretty much sums up todays generation.
+--- 57868268
+>>57866042
+its called a gun modifier, it means the thing has a gun, no line = no gun. if thats american it would be an M1117. if its ukraine could be a BTR
+--- 57870339
+>>57842322
+where is iris-t located?
+--- 57870920
+>>57839024
+no, it is illegal for the first guy, not the second.
+--- 57871507
+>>57866237
+>I saw a flabby 50 year old with a butterfly on her upper back/neck area while shopping. God damn how long have women been doing this?
+A lot are getting tattoos in their 40s now that it's more socially acceptable, but to answer your question an upper back tattoo was a thing in the 2000s. She could have got it when she was in her 30s.
+Speaking of which, did all the guys with tribal tattoos get them lasered off or just died from OD?
+--- 57872331
+>>57864911
+Lmao this guy's biography is a piece of fucking work. We really need to just let the jews and goat fuckers duke it out, they deserve each other.
+--- 57872389
+>>57872331
+Meir Kahane, the guy's mentor, literally looks like a Jewish George Lincoln Rockwell kek
+--- 57872551
+>>57872389
+Guy went nuts because of commies giving the typical commie treatment to their jewish population. Jews running from the USSR is a common origin story of these extreme-zionist figures.

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+-----
+--- 57839204
+whats your go to simplistic cheap but effective watch for a shtf scenario
+mine currently is the casio w-218h picrel
+22 dollars functions all the same as a gshock
+--- 57839309
+F-91W is the ultimate shtf watch
+>battery 10 years, you will die before your watch
+>small led, no EL that gives you away
+>so slim it will never be caught on anything
+>women love it
+>can be used as a bomb timer
+gshocks and casioaks are just tryharding gay navy seals too much and don't even get you on the list
+--- 57839375
+>>57839342
+the cursed f91w government agent mod
+--- 57839390
+>>57839309
+>10 years, you will die before your watch
+... wat
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Honestly a mechanical watch with a decent movement will last longer. You can get them with service intervals longer than 10 years, and you can just keep using them.
+Honestly a slim dive watch is smarter than an electric that will run out eventually. You could argue for a solar, but you'll need a steel bracelet anyway since those resin bands crap out over time.
+--- 57839472
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Rolex with nato strap
+--- 57839497
+>>57839472
+why would you wear a rolex into such a situation
+>>57839390
+my worry with mechanical watches is one bad hit and the arms will get fucked up or the movement will get fucked up thus the superiority of the digital watch
+--- 57839518
+>>57839472
+good tatse
+--- 57839529
+>>57839497
+Theyre rugged, and if shtf why would you leave a rolex behind?
+--- 57839538
+>>57839204 (OP)
+>Not solar
+>No radio
+Poors
+--- 57839555
+>>57839497
+>why would you wear a rolex into such a situation
+not him, but people often forget that Rolex' are made to be tool watches. They were always expensive in the same sense that ANY piece of precision equipment made for professionals is expensive. Just because their market shifted from Mariners needing Marine Chronometers to richfags trying to show off doesn't change what they were designed for.
+--- 57839583
+>>57839555
+>>57839497
+sure I guess I didnt take it that rolex made rugged watches but even then why do you want a $5000 watch that does the exact same thing as a $20 watch like id be worried that 5k watch is gonna break that 20 dollar watch is replacable
+--- 57839588
+>>57839583
+my friend, shit has hit the fan
+--- 57839589
+>>57839497
+>my worry with mechanical watches is one bad hit and the arms will get fucked up or the movement will get fucked up
+Mechanical Watches are designed to be rugged. They're self-winding, you shake them to wind up their mainsprings, they are designed to handle a high level of G-forces. NASA Astronauts didn't take quartz watches to the moon, they took Omega Speedmasters
+--- 57839592
+I like my Suunto
+--- 57839612
+>>57839583
+>id be worried that 5k watch is gonna break
+trust me, that 5k watch aint gonna break, they're not made of Chinesium like your $20 watches are.
+--- 57839613
+>>57839309
+>Women love it
+--- 57839615
+>>57839497
+>is one bad hit
+Proper dive watches are rated against, shock, vibration, and, particularly better than resin bands, pulls against the bracelet. I always wear a watch, exclusively mechanical, and it's not a problem, even when you are doing real shit like working on cars/machinery and shooting guns. Also the lume is nice compared to trading battery life for being able to read your watch during half of all the time ever.
+--- 57839629
+Mine
+--- 57839642
+>>57839629
+Is that on a proper nato strap or is it a look alike? There's alot of rings on it
+--- 57839656
+I have a F91W with a broken strap in my range bag. For everyday wear, I have an older Seiko SNK and a hand me down TAG Heuer Link, neither of which are SHTF.
+But then again, how long is this SHTF is going to last and how accurate does my watch need to be? My TAG is off by a few minutes a month, so it's "good enough" in that regard despite never having been serviced in the past 20 years
+I have been looking at getting a G shock though. I like how this one looks and it's one of the few 2100 that doesn't have a negative display.
+--- 57839658
+>>57839642
+Chink knockoff
+--- 57839662
+>>57839583
+>>57839497
+the Rolex Submariner is a tool watch designed for, as the name implies, navigation on the open ocean. They are required to pass various industry standard tests like COSC and ISO 6425. They are generally put under way more scrutiny than your cheap dollar store watches
+--- 57839674
+>>57839204 (OP)
+F-91w or F-105w
+--- 57839696
+>>57839658
+If it works it works, I just always recommend a nato strap because it retains both springbars. If one breaks the watch head doesn't fall away.
+--- 57839708
+>>57839612
+>>57839662
+you say that like g-shocks arent tough watches as it stands or even the standard casio watches
+--- 57839732
+>>57839708
+and you're talking like rolex watches are built like Timex watches
+--- 57839844
+>>57839204 (OP)
+>>57839592
+Any triple sensor watch so long as you keep your altimeter calibrated would be useful for single-point resection assuming you live somewhere with meaningful elevation changes, but given they aren't shooting GPS/GLONASS out of the sky during civil unrest I plan on using my foretrex 401 and the six extra lithium AAAs I keep in an admin pouch in my backpack.
+>inb4 autism, I have topo printouts and know how to use a map and compass too
+--- 57839962
+>>57839589
+The last manned mission to the moon was in 1972 you retard. The first commercial quarts watch only hit the market in late 1969 after the first 2 moon landings had already happened.
+--- 57840002
+>>57839962
+Okay and? The watches still passed NASAs certification and made the trip
+--- 57840029
+>>57839629
+Nice. I'm only shocked(G) that it only has M battery with PS on.
+Do you have the light on autio?
+--- 57840049
+>>57839844
+>GPS/GLONASS
+This is your threadly reminder that gps/glonass use ground sourced updates for coordination of their own clocks. If those end the accuracy will wander to kilometers from meter in a few months.
+--- 57840078
+>>57840002
+>The watches still passed NASAs certification
+They were the only option on the market at the time you retard. That really isn't an achievement, and doesn't justify their use use over the much more cost effective options that exist today.
+--- 57840088
+I hate quartz watches because changing the batteries on them every year is a pain in the ass. I had to take mine to a Jewler every time because its meant to be water resistant and so every time the battery is swapped you also needed to swap the rubber gasket sealing it. I've had my Seiko 5 for a couple years now and I've never done any maintainance on it and she just keeps on ticking and keeping good time
+--- 57840137
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Cheapest G-Shock I can find at Walmart. If I want something special I'd wear a Tag Heuer Formula 1x S my company gave me for a gift at 10 years.. I also was given a 5 year Bulova watch that has two small diamonds and an emerald to represent our company I use specifically at company meetings.
+Point being, wear cheap shit that works lol
+--- 57840160
+>>57840088
+>I hate quartz watches because changing the batteries on them every year is a pain in the ass.
+What the fuck is your watch doing to burn through batteries that quickly?
+--- 57840163
+Why do you need to know the time in a shtf scenario?
+--- 57840170
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Citizen Eco-drive. I don't have to change the batteries but get the accuracy and durability of a quartz movement.
+--- 57840180
+>>57840034
+Hell yeah Invicta sub bro
+--- 57840204
+>>57840160
+The reason for the shit battery life is probably because it used an analog clock face instead of a digital LCD, since those always burn betteries much quicker.
+My dream watch I eventually want to get is a Seiko Springdrive. It has the reliability and accuracy of quarts, with the mechanical nuance and perpectual nature of an automatic.
+--- 57840220
+Any casio is good.
+--- 57840225
+>>57839204 (OP)
+>F-91W
+I have been wearing these for maybe 8 years now.
+The fucking pin that holds the band into place is fucking trash. It lasts maybe 6 months under extremis.
+I don't know why I keep buying these things. It is a design flaw. Everything else is solid but its a critical fail.
+looking for suggestions on a new watch. They are not the hype.
+--- 57840259
+>>57840049
+Yes, that's why you have (and train with) backups for all your gear. I don't see how things like that should stop you from using GPS, starting fires with a bic, using pre-made tent stakes, etc., etc.
+--- 57840283
+>>57840204
+I used to have a Timex analog watch that went a good 4-5 years without needing a replacement battery.
+--- 57840301
+>>57840049
+Sauce? Big if true. The preppers I've interacted with have always acted like the satellites will always work short of them being shot down.
+--- 57840325
+>>57840049
+>>57840259
+Your watch doesn't need GPS to help you navigate. You just need to know what time it is in Greenwich, England vs what your local time is and then count the difference in hours by 20 degrees longitude (from clockwise if east of Greenwich, from anticlockwise if west) and it's accurate within 20 degrees. You can then use the position of the north star to determine your latitude. Thats literally why the first modern mechanical clocks were invented. Some watches have an extra hour hand you're meant to set to GMT for this exact purpose.
+--- 57840338
+>>57839962
+speedmasters are still used in outer space btw. digital displays and batteries don’t do so well in the extreme temperatures of space, so mechanical watches are still the go to choice.
+it’s a reliable backup and seeing how habitual pilots and astronauts can be, we will probably continue to see them using these things for decades to come.
+--- 57840393
+>>57839589
+lol what a retard
+You gonna argue the battle of Verdun was fought with mechanical so it makes them superior to quartz next?
+--- 57840397
+>>57840225
+You can buy a bunch of springbars super cheap on ebay or Amazon. I'd suggest you get a nato strap as well for >>57839696 reasons. It would have to be a super thin nato strap though because the springbars on those don't provide much clearance
+--- 57840442
+>>57840325
+>within 20 degrees
+That gives you an equatorial positional accuracy of like, 1000 miles.
+>>57840301
+>Sauce? Big if true
+How do you think GPS works? GPS doesn't tell you where you are, it sends out timing signals of absurd accuracy, which are synchronized. You know how far you are from the satellites by the minute differences in the time signature of the various satellites signals and thus know where you are on the earth. If these timing signals are not regularly synchronized then the system drifts, not because their clocks are bad, but because the timing is so precise.
+https://www.gps.gov/applications/timing/#:~:text=Each%20GPS%20satellite%20contains%20multiple,receiver%20to%20the%20atomic%20clocks.
+It mentions the synchronized time system.
+I had to deal with this BS when I was doing seismogrophic support, as the ground stations used GPS for timing.
+--- 57840444
+Used Rolex Oyster for $1200. Don't know why people buy $5000 meme watches or cope with $200 shocks. Either buy the Oyster or be happy with the $15 F91W. Anything else is cope.
+Only notable exception being the Amphibia.
+--- 57840477
+>>57839204 (OP)
+The one on my wrist. Currently using whatever the cheapest Casio on the shelf at Walmart was a decade ago (not the F-91W). The original band broke and the plastic cover over the screen has some deep gouges in it now, but otherwise it has worked just fine.
+--- 57840481
+>>57840442
+Also
+Lööm
+--- 57840494
+>>57840088
+>doesn't service his mechanical watch in years
+Well you should
+>changes battery every year
+Yo wtf
+--- 57840498
+>>57840442
+>That gives you an equatorial positional accuracy of like, 1000 miles.
+It depends on the latitude, if you want more accuracy, you just do the same thing but instead of setting your current time to your timezone, you instead set it yourself based on your exact local time (just set your watch to 12 noon whenever the sun is highest in the sky) and you can use more precise measurements. Its still a good skill to have when SHTF
+--- 57840523
+>>57840494
+>Well you should
+I should but I don't have to, when a watch battery dies, that watch is dead, when watch oil gunks up the watch just ends up slightly less accurate but it still works
+--- 57840524
+Got an GW B5600 nearly unworn for a good price on eBay, and while the strap doesn't completely suck like the resin ones I've got it on a Nato one now and it's become one of my most worn watches.
+I previously wore a asio ae-1200wh which was a great beater for the price as well.
+--- 57840525
+>>57840325
+>20 degrees
+--- 57840548
+>>57840325
+>You just need to know what time it is in Greenwich, England vs what your local time is and then count the difference
+That's just knowing your location with the same precision already but with extra steps
+It's a good joke though if you're meming
+Not easy to know who's meming and who's retarded these days
+--- 57840603
+>>57840523
+>it still works
+You're gambling on that in the long run of you don't service it though
+--- 57840614
+>>57840204
+You would probably like these anon. I don't know much about them but I think they charge with hand movement
+https://sequentworld.com/en-us
+--- 57840661
+>>57840548
+>That's just knowing your location with the same precision already but with extra steps
+Set your clock to 12 noon whenever the sun is the highest in the sky. You don't need to know your exact location for this. They literally teach you this exact kill in scouts ffs
+--- 57840712
+>>57840524
+I want need to get another casio. I broke my a158 trying to fit a jubilee bracelet to it.
+--- 57840785
+>>57840712
+I love my casios, cheapo seikos and Vostoks but the very day I have money to spare for a 36 mm (yeah wristlet) Datejust on an oyster bracelet with the white gold crown I will probably never touch any of them again. Thats the watch they have to pry from my cold, dead hands.
+--- 57840854
+>>57840785
+Datejust with an engine turned bezel and black dial. They look quite nice on leather as well
+--- 57841639
+>>57839583
+this applies to their stainless steel sports watches. they date from a time when this was still a thing though. after quartz became a thing rolex had to move up-market to survive and did this by re-positioning the brand. so even up the 70s you would buy something like a rolex as a top end absolutely dependable tool watch and you could even have a reasonable expectation of being able to afford one, provided you saved your money. since then they have become more and more of a status symbol.
+so it's not that case today. you can't even buy a rolex if you're a pleb; supply is deliberately limited and dealers have discretion as to who they sell to. dealers have waiting lists and for some models (daytonas) it can be years. there is nothing that any rolex can do that you can't find in a digital and better. durability and accuracy wise, quartz is just a much more effective option. you're not going to out-beat a g-shock and you can find iso-spec g-shocks if you need them.
+however, they are still very nice watches and if you can afford them you have a reasonable expectation of wearing one (at least the stainless steel sports models) daily without breaking them. also shtf you could probably use one in trade.
+--- 57841645
+>>57840712
+are you the berettafag with a million berettas?
+--- 57841659
+>>57839662
+>navigation on the open ocean.
+no anon it's a dive watch. it's intended to keep time underwater (no mean feat originally) and the bezel is for timing deco stops. you're maybe thinking of the yachtmaster but i am not sure that's the case either.
+--- 57841677
+>>57840785
+36mm is the kino case size
+--- 57841686
+>>57840444
+>Only notable exception being the Amphibia.
+those are straight up good. nice anon.
+--- 57841756
+>>57841645
+Thats my only beretta in the pic. You're thinking of burt in hg
+--- 57841787
+>>57839589
+I only have a Seiko SKX007, G-Shock DW6600 and a Longines. My first expensive watch is going to be a Speedmaster. I just love the way it looks and it's got cool history.
+--- 57842213
+>>57839497
+More than a few Vietnam vets came home with Rolex watches which were known as being a sports watch, stainless oyster case. Only in the 90s did they really turn towards a fashion/luxury status statement from a racing/diving/yachting status statement. I have a gold Rolex Datejust and a 30 year old Casio dive watch. I like the Casio.
+--- 57842225
+>>57839555
+This.
+--- 57842770
+>AQ-100W
+--- 57842828
+For me, it's the CA-53W. It's nice to be able to do simple math when tired, and it looks cool.
+The first one I had, the strap developed some cracks, and eventually the crack worked it's way across fully. I tried to replace the strap, but the attachment method seemed too tight. I couldn't deform the NATO strap enough to get the spring loaded pins on both sides of the face in place.
+I didn't treat it very nicely on the ship. It's probably not good for the rubber to go through massive temperature changes, or go in the shower every day. I've treated the second one a lot nicer.
+--- 57842927
+>>57839497
+90% of rolex you see posted are 100 dollar fakes
+--- 57842965
+Rolex hasn't been a tool watch for decades, if you want a Rolex as a tool watch go buy a Tudor for like 1/5 the price, they're pretty much made in the same factory but rappers don't brag about wearing a Tudor, so they're priced like tool watches instead of status symbols.
+--- 57843070
+Are there any knowledgeable anons who have experience with adding titanium casing you can buy separately? Do you have some good sources? It seems like a good idea to make my B5000 survive me.
+--- 57843271
+>>57842927
+50% of which were bought for roughly 10x the price may I add
+--- 57843310
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Probably my Hamilton Khaki for Analog, though my Casio Worldtimer is fantastic.
+--- 57843368
+>>57840661
+>what is precision
+Earth's circumference is roughly 22000 km, so roughly 1000 km per hour zone, so if your measurements are precise up to 5% (which i think is a generous assumption considering you also need to know gmt time) that's a little less than 50 km
+If you think you can be in a situation were this is useful, you should have packed specifically designed tools for the job
+Also do they really teach it?
+Probably as a general example of problem solving, not as an actual tool one would use
+--- 57843375
+>>57843310
+Bretty /fa/ collection ngl
+--- 57843393
+>>57843368
+>Probably as a general example of problem solving, not as an actual tool one would use
+Anon, its literally how people once navigated the globe. Its literally why the modern mechanical clock was invented. The British Parliment started the Longitude Project in an attempt to navigate the oceans better and John Harrison was awarded over a million pounds in todays money for his invention.
+--- 57843578
+>>57840078
+Being the only watches around that could meet the standards set is an achievement in and of itself.
+--- 57843781
+>>57839844
+The rangeman looks like a cow turd on the wrist. How distasteful.
+--- 57843787
+>>57842828
+Ultrabasado and best itt.
+--- 57843788
+>>57839204 (OP)
+This is my go to. A friend had one where the battery lasted 15 years (with daily sun exposure). In a true SHTF I would be worried about not receiving time signals but I doubt being a few minutes off a year is that much of an issue. (Nor I do think I'd last that long in the first place)
+--- 57843796
+>>57839629
+I prefer chinkshit adapters and textile straps, they don't make the core stand out so much. A NATO easily adds 5mm or more in height, I hate it
+--- 57843808
+>>57843070
+>titanium
+Seconding this. They are fine as fuck, but I don't want to shell out so much money.
+--- 57843817
+>>57843788
+Must have been a defective one. I have look up when the first solar Gs started appearing but fyi Casio doesn't give a battery life estimate on solar watches because all of them are still running and they can't yet reach a consensus
+(Battery life under good use and good solar exposure, it's months or a year if they don't get sun)
+--- 57843876
+>>57843808
+Not a true G. And you must know steel and titanium bezels resist impacts worse than a resin bezel. The toughest/most durable balance gshock you can buy is one with a resin bezel and a steel or titanium case, and id recommend no Bluetooth and that it is solar and multi band. That leaves you with the 5000 and some frogmans.
+--- 57843881
+>>57843876
+Anon, what is even your point.
+--- 57843884
+>>57843876
+No matter which G-Shock you get it'll be able to put up with a shitload of abuse compared to other watches.
+--- 57843888
+>>57843070
+I don't like it because the titanium 5000-5600 bezels that are official from Casio come with cushioning that ends up rotting/degrading and they won't fit regular 5600-5000 module cases. Not even the steel ones.
+You'd haven't have to buy either chinktanium bezels or the fancy fashion ones, none of which come with Alpha Gel, the cushioning.
+No cushioning translates to more energy being transmitted to the module upon impact, which on practical terms can translate to broken glass.
+As I said before the toughest gshock is the one that has a steel core but resin bezel, which should be considered a disposable item. You can perhaps get a nice titanium bracelet but the regular resin straps are design to also absorb shock if you drop the watch, so you're also detracting from it's toughness.
+I would recommend resin straps with carbon fiber inserts. Those don't rot and if they did they'd still keep everything together.
+--- 57843893
+>>57843888
+Ahh, now I understand. Thanks, anon.
+Also, checked.
+--- 57843901
+>>57843881
+My point is these new luxury gshocks with titanium and steel everything don't follow the same spirit the originals had (and the regulars still have), and that they're actually less tough than a regular cheap gshock in resin. So don't think you're getting betterer and tougherer just because you're forking hundreds and thousands.
+I'm speaking of the 5600series , the squares. Digital frogmans are indeed top tier.
+--- 57843903
+>>57839204 (OP)
+for me, it's gold painted plastic
+--- 57843936
+No other option besides the Spynet™ VideoWatch© that can store up to 2000 photos or 15 minutes of video. It also has a lie detector and bug detector among other things.
+Found mine in the back of the closet after some good 10 years and it still works.
+--- 57843980
+>>57843901
+I am the >>57843070
+Thanks for the elaborate reply, I appreciate it. Beyond the durability, it is mostly for me how different materials age. Steel/titanium gets scratched in a way it gives it charm. Resin just looks like trash after a few years and I don't enjoy consooming new watch every five years or so. So I was thinking about getting a 5600 (ideally the one with the negative display and cleaner design, I know they can be worse, but I am just a sucker for them) and then strapping a chink titanium casing on them.
+--- 57843981
+>>57843936
+And you can get the flexible Snake Camera© to take stealth pictures, but I don't have one.
+--- 57843982
+Mechanical watches need to be serviced and if it breaks, good luck getting spare parts.
+Quartz watches have fewer parts so less likely to break but they require battery changes every few years.
+Gaskets will need to be replaced for both.
+No, in a shtf situation what you want is the trusty sundial. No moving parts, no need to be serviced or battery replaced. Used since ancient times.
+--- 57844039
+I'm a level 100 gshockfag so here's a guide if you want a gshock for top toughness AND top durability, which are not the same. This is a list of things not all Gs have and in fact you'll have to evaluate a d research on your own, also choosing according to budget, aesthetics etc...
+- steel / titanium case
+- screwback
+- solar + multi band
+- carbon fiber insert strap
+- well protected glass OR bullbar
+- aftermarket screen protector
+- resin bezel with as less parts as possible
+- modular (don't get a one -off model)
+- easily available and compatible replacements
+Steel case because if you screw and unscrew the backplate/ bezel on resin cases too many times the threads get fucked and you lose the watch.
+Screwback comes with the solid cases. Once you go black -ehem- screwback you can't go back. Every other G will feel like a toy. They also don't need as many seal replacements.
+Solar and multi band for obvious reasons. Never change the battery, never change the hour. Always have exact time. (Only connected smartphones can do this, no regular watch)
+Carbon fiber insert because it will still absorb the impact and it will not be cut / rot in the same way regular resin ages.
+Well protected glass so it doesn't scratch (it will with time if it isn't, and we're talking about one G for life). Same for bullbars (Jays and Kays makes the best) and screen protectors. (They don't hurt the solar panel intake)
+As for modular, the most modular Gs can use straps from other popular models and there's a lot of aftermarket options. Up to you really, you can always fork many hundreds for Frogman straps and bezels if you have the moneys
+--- 57844115
+>>57843980
+Always think of combining hard with soft. The best is hard core with soft outer. If you want hard outer maybe consider a resin case, but it's by far not a big improvement. I always recommend steel or titanium cases because of the screw threads, mainly.
+I have a beater 5610 with a steel bezel and a bullbar (which is mandatory if you're all for durability) . I must tell you from experience that, while you're correct in regards to resin, steel and titanium may not age the way you think. They will look good for a while, then look good when scratched, showing wear , but 80% of the time the watch will look like a hunk of shit. You'll have to look for a high quality DLC coated bezel or use JG Gunkote or something to get it recoated from time to time.
+Again I know what you mean about wear and your only showing wear, but trust me it will look like shit (even to you) for most of its life, because the wear won't be aesthetic.
+--- 57844154
+>>57839309
+no get a similar model with 50m water resist. f-91w buttons don't have seal and will get fucked up when used in water (inb4 cope anecdote about how it survived a dive once)
+if you can go a little bit thicker, get a W-800H. 100m water resist means double seals on the buttons. it has 10 year battery but instead of its CR2025, you can shove a thicker CR2032 battery, the ones found on PC motherboards, and now it's 14 year battery. longer if you don't use the light or alarms of course.
+>>57839555
+lol that's only a tiny part of their history. it's funny if you look at their marketing, even 70+ years ago they were pushing this larp narrative to luxuryfags about how their watches are actually "tool watches" and totally not luxury items. tudors were used far more by military divers for instance because it was essentially rolex but without the luxury fluff.
+>>57840225
+been there, done that.
+failure modes of those shitty casio watches if you actually use them:
+- in a couple years the band will break
+- in 2-4 years the springbar will fail (get thicker springbar)
+- in 7-10 years the resin hole that holds the springbar will wear out and not hold it anymore. game over.
+i found this thing which looks like your typical small casio but in steel case and 50m water resistant:
+https://www.armitron.com/products/the-silver-rubik
+the specs seems good but there is so little info about this thing. if you're american or something, do me a favor and try it.
+>>57843393
+at best it's good to know your general location in the middle of the ocean so you don't wander off too much. completely useless for land nav.
+--- 57844171
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Wearing that right now kek
+--- 57844241
+>>57844039
+Gib your top5 gshocks I can buy now. For durability and looks. Bonus points if at least somewhat minimalistic.
+--- 57844248
+>>57844241
+No. You look for them and show us anons.
+Go to Shockbase, it has an excellent search tool.
+Follow my above guide point for point and you'll find there aren't that many that fit the criteria
+--- 57844256
+>>57844248
+>refuses to spoonfeed
+Nigger, but also based.
+--- 57844261
+i like those sqaure g-shocks but i'm not a wristlet and that's a problem. the way the band curves down presses on the sides of my wrist to the point of pain. even strap adapters are like that and besides, they make the watch look retarded. i had to sell the watch.
+i have to cope with wearing small casios or my 38mm skx modded out the ass. i hate giant watches. my perfect watch would be a small casio but with a real metal case, at least 50m water resist, sapphire glass (or acrylic, just not mineral), metal bracelet, solar or at least 10 year battery.
+--- 57844265
+>>57839204 (OP)
+What does this have to do with Ukraine?
+--- 57844273
+>>57844241
+I personally rock the new GW-5000 with a Jays and Kays bullbar, but even I haven't been able to tick all the boxes.
+The light sucks shit and is very ugly, but LEDs don't fade, unlike older, awesome looking bluish green electroluminescence , which can fade with the years. (Remember, you're looking at just ONE G to use forever)
+It also doesn't look as much and it's dark gray instead of black, which I really like.
+--- 57844295
+>>57844256
+Because Shockbase exist and personal taste is crucial I encourage any anon to make up their own mind in regards of finding the perfect gshock. Also because there are many other factors to consider besides durability and toughness (the only ones I've focused on) such as:
+-do you like hueg watches?
+-or small? (Are you a wristlet)
+- do you like tall watches?
+- do you want big, accessible buttons?
+- do you want the iconic central G light button?
+- do you want a subdued look? Or eye bleach? Maybe retro?
+--- 57844316
+>>57844265
+Cope you seething vatnigger faggot.
+--- 57844341
+>>57844261
+6900 straps curve at a much wider angle and they are 100% compatible with 5600s
+--- 57844412
+>>57844316
+Thats a pretty dial, anon
+--- 57844462
+*blocks your path*
+--- 57844475
+>>57844462
+I'll get one when they make a solar multiband version, or at least a solar.
+--- 57844480
+>>57844475
+It's SHTF, not a fucking science project.
+--- 57844536
+>>57844480
+So, at least solar you reatard
+--- 57844590
+>>57844241
+If aesthetics are a bigger concern than maximal toughness, the GAB2100 is nice. It's solar powered unlike the base GA2100, though that earlier model does have more colourways available.
+--- 57844640
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Garmin instinct tactical
+It's the new high speed casio
+--- 57844744
+>>57839589
+Moonwatch isn't self winding. There is no gravity in space so its manual wind.
+--- 57844806
+>>57844744
+Omega coasts on the speedmaster name pretty hard. The real moonwatch is manual winding only yes, but omega sells many variations with automatic movements
+--- 57844835
+>>57843393
+I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it can't be done with a suitable precision in a shtf scenerio with just a mechanical wristwatch you dummy
+--- 57844962
+>>57842828
+This is what I wear to work everyday
+--- 57845538
+>>57843936
+That's some cia tier shit
+Do you need some sort of permit for those, like license to kill?
+--- 57845629
+Oh great, a "let's post pictures of our fat arms and hands" thread.
+--- 57845718
+>>57844590
+That looks like shit though. And feels even worse. Also not multi band, just (((Bluetooth)))
+--- 57845756
+>>57845629
+--- 57845771
+>>57845718
+Multi band is useless outside NA, Europe, China and Japan.
+--- 57845785
+>>57844115
+I've been into titanium for about a decade now. Bottle, smaller utility cases, even fucking utensils. I like how it ages and I have yet to see something made out of titanium to look like trash when old and banged up. It is just a wonder material for me. Can't imagine gshock squares being different for some reason.
+--- 57846176
+>>57842828
+>>57844462
+Should I get one of these as an alternative to my B640W?
+--- 57846341
+>>57845771
+Anon if you live in the third world the last thing you have to thin about is buying a GShock.
+Also not true because multi band watches can be tuned with a phone app that sends a radio signal.
+--- 57847931
+>>57846176
+If you want to, it's a twenty dollar watch. I hope that's not a deal breaker.
+Give it a try. If you like it, wear it from then on.
+--- 57848034
+>>57845718
+the fuck do you actually need bluetooth for in a watch like that? i get it for a smartwatch but what does it actually do on that?
+--- 57848123
+Don't care about SHTF, this is an actual picture of my everyday watch. W800H with aliexpress strap and solder mod to unlock all of the module's features (namely 5 alarms and countdown timer)
+--- 57848214
+>>57840481
+What watch
+--- 57848223
+>>57848214
+Zelos Hammerhead 2
+--- 57848279
+>>57839309
+Pro tip: when the rubber watch band cracks and breaks from flexing back and forth too much (took me about 3 or 4 years for that), buy one of those $0.75 shipped wish.com f91w clones, throw out the watch, and just keep the band.
+Sad that real ones are up to $13 on amazon, it's supposed to be the dirt cheap poo in loo watch
+--- 57848369
+>>57848123
+I havent heard of that mod, do they really sell it with only half of the features available? Why????
+--- 57848468
+>>57848369
+Yeah, you have to remove the solder on the jumper numbered 0 to enable countdown timer, and solder the jumper numbered 3 to enable 5 alarms.
+Why do they do that? Same reason video games are sold with built in features that can only be unlocked through DLC. Same reason why Tesla sells you a car with built in features that can be unlocked if you pay more.
+It's just easier to develop one module for several watches, and remove features on the cheaper ones, then you can sell watches with the full features for a premium.
+--- 57848492
+>>57848468
+forgot pic
+--- 57848569
+>>57839844
+Best I can find is the Rangeman basic in black for good bang for buck ABC function without GPS. Good layout for use with gloves or not. Was like $165 CDN a month and a half ago here but other places have it jacked way up like $270.
+--- 57848590
+Anyone know the difference between the gwm5610 and the gw5000? Might cop the former
+--- 57848592
+>>57848492
+>>57848468
+I don't care about watches but just wanted to throw in that that's called market segmentation
+Other examples are software (Windows Home vs. Windows Professional is basically just a switch) and supermarket coupons (cutting those out is only worth it for poor people so only they get the lower prices)
+--- 57848642
+>>57840444
+Respect to the F91 but fuck that. I went with the GWN5610-U as I wanted multi and and solar. Paired that with a Rangeman for my outdoor activities. I would not pay reg price for both. Got both at all time low prices when I got them. Love both but would take Rangeman if SHTF.
+--- 57848651
+>>57844039
+Shockbase has to be the least user-friendly database I've ever had the misfortune of using, at least as far as searching for the criteria you've laid out goes
+--- 57848708
+>>57848651
+It works fine and I am happy to see a website that is not a modern nu-web trash for once. What is however unforgivable that it is a fucking mess regarding cases. It doesn't do what anon proclaims as one of the most important things - with shitload of models it doesn't differentiate between a steel and titanium bezels. It just gives you "metal lmao".
+--- 57848782
+>>57843310
+>IMCO
+based
+--- 57849454
+ITT clowns that think automatic watches of ANY kind make good "tool" watches.
+this board is so full of fucking larpers, it's become unbearable.
+>accidentally bang your OH SO RUGGED rolex (or any other automatic) against anything
+>good chance rotor gets stuck
+>even better chance gears skip or turn out of sync now
+>at least between 6 to 12 seconds off PER DAY (on a serviced and tuned movement, out-of-the-box numbers are even worse)
+>after 2 months of survival in your end of the world scenario, no two people on your team will have the same fucking time
+i realize that many people here just don't want to hear it or don't deal with watches as much, but if you're really looking for /k/ watches, go for the some following:
+>solar powered
+>digial (because lumeshots are bullshots, do not kid yourselves and spare me the fantasy stories of how you always get up at 4am and immediately read the time with perfect readbility)
+>sapphire crystal or just plain old plastic
+>rubber/silicone straps, NATO straps wear out easier and the hassle of getting them smell-free every few weeks isn't worth it
+>radio controlled, won't ever have to worry about setting the time unless putin nukes the continental signal emitters, at which point being off 0.5 seconds every 5 months is the least of your concerns
+yes, a Rolex can look cool and the insta feeds where they put "rugged" straps on no-date subs to make em look like that watch has gone through some rough shit may look appealing to you, but please be fucking real.
+if you really live such a Jason fucking Bourne life, get a GWM5610 (or literally any solar+multiband g-shock) and be done with caring about watches for the next 200 years. more time for your survival fantasy training.
+otherwise, get the good old F91W. for analog, get literally ANY Citizen that says "eco drive".
+if you ever get the call from the president because he's "putting together a team" and asks if you're on board for some operating, a g-shock will do the trick. don't worry.
+--- 57849671
+>>57844154
+Just get the W-59-1VQES, basically a F91-W, but with water resistance. I have it and I couldn't be more happy.
+--- 57849712
+>>57839204 (OP)
+I wish Casio didn't discontinue the W-86. It was perfect, and had great water resistance while also being electroluminescent.
+--- 57849818
+>>57839583
+For the same reason a shotgun from Walmart and a Kreighoff exists. You work hard (or not) and you have some money and you want a mechanical time piece because...some like guns, some like cars, some like nice watches and there are many watches more expensive than a Rolex. The cost to own one does not end in the purchase. These watches also need service. The correct service is a complete disassembly, cleaning, lubrication, and replacement of wear parts. It runs all the time so that's why, and the seals need to keep the water out. A few hundred dollars per 15 years. I have one but I'm not a watch guy but sometime if I know I am going to be around people who give a shit about company bullshit and money, I wear it to see the visible irritation, they also know, knowing me, that it would never be a fake. When they ask me about it, and they ar wearing a Seiko or Breitling I say oh ..yeah it's 10:16. Most days I wear a casio dive watch been going for 30 years.
+--- 57849849
+>>57839589
+You might even break the glass on it (the sapphire) and Rolex will repair that and much worse. That's what Rolex service does. Corrosion being the worst. Guys that wear a Rolex everyday just wear a watch that takes the abuse and gets fixed.
+--- 57849852
+>>57849454
+They do and uh you are wrong.
+--- 57849873
+>>57840041
+That nigga be fresh.
+--- 57849894
+>>57849454
+Rolex watches are within 2 seconds per day cased and non thermo compensated quartz can be just the same. You can also use a sub to dive and find north and time various things. It'll last longer than a casio battery and the crystal will be tougher. There's a reason soldiers still wear subs and it's not because your opinion is the only one.
+--- 57849906
+>>57839309
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Yeah
+--- 57849918
+>>57840041
+On his right is a gold/stainless Datejust, not with a very good glow-in-the-dark face, the one on his left does. I bet the Mrs. gave him the gold one.
+--- 57849944
+>>57849454
+based and true
+watchfags are insufferable
+--- 57849989
+>>57840034
+Fellow Invicta enjoyer
+--- 57850006
+>>57849944
+Many cope fags itt
+--- 57850032
+>>57839204 (OP)
+solar seiko but i have a solar citizen chronograph too
+--- 57850037
+>>57840041
+--- 57850038
+>>57850032
+Can it be charged by any light?!
+--- 57850058
+>>57849454
+I love automatic watches, but you're 100% right. They're just jewelry for men nowadays and not serious tools. Just any rugged digital watch with a few years of battery will do, really.
+>>57849894
+>There's a reason soldiers still wear subs
+To larp or as fashion. Neither real divers or soldiers wear a fucking Rolex when there are better and cheaper options for them.
+--- 57850077
+I've liked this Casio, but the build quality leaves much to be desired and I've needed to replace the battery after less than a year of ownership
+--- 57850099
+>>57850038
+i think so but idk
+from my experiance photovoltaics only work well in strong sunlight when the whole panel is exposed but idk how they did it in the watch
+i live in a fairly dark place with not much sun and only spend a few minutes outside in the sun per day and yet my watch never got to a low battery level in my 5 years of wearing it (low battery means you still have weeks left and the second hand starts jumping 2 seconds at a time to tell you to charge it)
+pic related is my citizen, it stopped by only after i left it in a drawer for like a year. started again after a shone a flashlight right at it for a few seconds
+--- 57850151
+Horizon Zero Dawn is a post-apocalyptic game where humanity very nearly became extinct in run-away robot/AI rebellion. All that is left from the old civilization is just some old ruins and robots still wandering in them.
+Humans live in isolated tribes, and are generally fearful of any old technology. It is cursed and those who use it are shunned and made outcasts.
+In this game, you can still find relics from the ancient past, which are considered valuable and desired by the people who managed to survive the apocalypse.
+Picture related is one of the ancient Relics, known as "Ancient Bright Bracelet" and if you find it, it will get you a pretty decent price in the marketplace of those human settlements and villages which are still left in the world. It is a relic from the old days, when humans still ruled the world, and a fashionable piece of jewelry.
+Just saying.
+--- 57850152
+>>57850032
+reminder that these prospex solar divers have developed a huge and subtle following amongst seiko owners
+everyone should pick one up before seiko eventually double the price
+--- 57850162
+>>57839204 (OP)
+--- 57850167
+>>57850058
+>divers or soldiers wear a fucking Rolex
+Cope cause ur wrong
+--- 57850180
+>>57839589
+>mineral glass
+>no self winding
+that will be 10k+ tip sir
+the new astronaut speedmaster(the x33) is quartz and its NASA certified
+but so is gshock and casio doesnt market it like omega does.
+--- 57850204
+>>57850151
+By the way, the game is gorgeous.
+Here is a savage tribespeople looking at some ancient ruins where it is forbidden to go. Just in case you might awaken some slumbering old machine devil.
+--- 57850207
+>>57850152
+you mean this one?
+yea its the same watch besides the 'padi' writing i considered getting it but i hated the different colored second hand
+--- 57850220
+>>57850180
+they were the X-33's within the station but the mechanical speedies during extra vehicular activities.
+also self winding doesn't work so well in low gravity environments, which is why manual winding is preferred.
+i don't know why you niggers are literally questioning the tests and decisions made by white male nasa engineers from the 1950's and 60's. it comes off as massive cope because it's true, omega milks the brand and moon missions but the original speedmasters with the lemania 5100 caliber are suited for outer space work.
+if you think there's a quartz watch with a digital display that can handle the vacuum and temperatures of outer space, post it.
+--- 57850249
+>>57850207
+They have several color combinations these days. I highly recommend picking one up because like I said, I guarantee that in the near future Seiko will realize they can double the prize as they have with some of their automatic watches with the 6R movement that now sell for bullshit prices, near $2k if not higher.
+https://www.seiyajapan.com/collections/seiko/prospex+divers+solar-quartz
+--- 57850256
+>>57850220
+>i don't know why you niggers are literally questioning the tests and decisions made by white male nasa engineers from the 1950's and 60's.
+Anon, you're bragging about decisions and testing from a time when the choice was mechanical watch or no watch. Should we also be using vacuum tubes because that's what they chose to use in the 50s and 60s?
+--- 57850260
+>>57850167
+Imagine thinking that real divers use automatics like we're still in the 90s instead of dive computers. Fucking larper
+--- 57850261
+>>57850220
+Its cringe to brag about the speedmaster so much about its "outer space cred" because you are paying out the ass to get a gimped watch.
+nobody would buy a ferrari nowdays if it had no AC
+also bulova lunar pilot is also space certified and nobody gushes about it like you omega niggers
+--- 57850274
+>>57850249
+the green one looks nice
+i honestly cba to set the watch every day tho so it's quartz for me
+--- 57850292
+>>57850256
+the conditions of space haven't changed. if it works it works. if your complaint is that that the watch is too expensive then blame Omega, but the technology is solid for what it needs to do.
+p.s. you won't find an off the self watch quartz watch with a digital on the market right now that can do what the speedmaster still can in the current year. so why not accept that it's a good backup system at the very least?
+--- 57850300
+>>57850274
+if you buy it head over to the WatchUSeek forum and you can find recommendations for a better bracelet. all in all it's probably one of the best value propositions in that price range.
+--- 57850303
+>suited for outer space work.
+>literally falls apart in space
+https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-other-moon-watch-has-landed#:~:text=Then%20on%20August%202%2C%201971,off%20during%20an%20earlier%20moonwalk.
+bulova to the rescue i guess..
+--- 57850316
+>>57850260
+I dive and I wear a mechanical watch
+--- 57850328
+>>57850220
+They made up their mind and twist all data to match. Basically what liberals do. It's the sign of low iq.
+--- 57850331
+>>57850292
+You sound really invested in the products you consume.
+--- 57850339
+>>57840325
+This is the convoluted aviator way to use the 24hr hand for navigation. Most people just need help getting a consistent bearing which is more easily accomplished syncing the 24hr hand to their time zone so they can point the 12hr hand at the sun and the 24hr hand will then point North.
+--- 57850421
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Until I can be bothered to buy a replacement strap for my F-91W ill continue using the G-Shock
+--- 57850439
+>>57850038
+AHHHHH one of only two kind of expensive watches I actually want.
+Very tasteful.
+--- 57850591
+>>57850261
+i'm not trying to convince anyone to buy it, i don't even own it because the original models that were certified for these missions are either in possession of these agencies or sold for insane prices on the grey market. and i think the new 321 caliber speedmaster has a display back which is retarded, so there are no good options to purchase what they actually wear in space.
+i'm simply saying that it has performed it's job in extreme conditions for decades and that to this day even the Russian cosmonauts use it for EVA's and that trying to deny that it works in outer space is pure cope.
+>>57850328
+all of the testing methods and results are published and reproducible by anyone who cares enough about it
+>>57850303
+the crystal for one of the speedmasters that were tested on the ground also popped off. the reason was that the astronauts didn't pressurize correctly before one of the space walks and when they walked out it popped off. and i didn't talk shit about the bulova, they used to make great watches as well
+ >>57850331
+yeah this is the most important thread i have ever participated in, in my entire life
+--- 57850599
+>>57850303
+>m-muh sneedmaster
+>m-muh moon certified
+>falls apart on the moon
+lel
+--- 57850626
+>>57850439
+You can buy it bro it's not that bad. I have faith in you. Just get the fully tegemented one because it really works.
+--- 57850733
+>>57850591
+>mechanical watches are rugged bro, they used them in space!
+>you just have to baby them or they will literally fall apart
+lmao you picked the worst example to point to making them rugged
+--- 57850803
+>>57842828
+Walter White drip
+--- 57850826
+>>57840524
+pretty based, I have this watch too, it's solid as hell. last watch I'll need
+--- 57850855
+>>57850733
+post a watch that has more usage in outer space than the speedmaster
+if you can’t, then you’re gay
+--- 57850887
+>>57839204 (OP)
+i use a gshock. just came in the mail, great so far. we'll see how it holds up to long nights in the machine shop
+--- 57850922
+>>57850855
+Shit, maybe we should all go back to using spears too since they've been used in more wars then guns. It's not like technology has ever advanced and rendered something obsolete before.
+--- 57850925
+>>57850260
+A lot of divers still use automatics.
+Sure, you may have a diving computer as part of your diving equipment. You you are not diving ALL THE TIME, are you?
+It's like having cross-country hiking boots. Nice to have if you are heading out to wilderness, but not really something you use on your office job or on your way to a nearest supermarket. For that, you use something more sensible. Like low-cut shoes. Does not stick out of the crowd or in an office, but can handle some sticky situations.
+--- 57850957
+>>57850887
+Granted I push a desk for a living, but I would think introducing snag hazards like a wristwatch would frowned upon. Or is that a think of the past with manual machining going by the wayside?
+--- 57851002
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Got a Timex Ironman on sale for my beater watch and so far I'm happy with it.
+--- 57851132
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Gimme something cool and cheap that goes well with a NATO strap, /k/
+--- 57851154
+>>57851132
+How cheap
+--- 57851173
+>>57851154
+150$ and under, but realistically under 100$, looking for something to use everyday and beat the crap out of and replace. Bonus points if it's big (I have huge hands)
+--- 57851217
+>>57851173
+Vostok is usually the go to brand if you know you’re going to destroy it and don’t care about losing it.
+I’m not even going to tell you where to buy them because part of the journey of owning a piece of shit like a Vostok is going down the rabbit hole and drudgery finding one you like and where to get a legitimate one for the real price.
+--- 57851224
+>>57851173
+If you're ok with quartz
+Casio Duro
+Entry level Gshock 2100
+--- 57851259
+>cheap
+For mile splits, my trusty Timex Ironman. Waiting in the wings Casio F91W-1. But normally I'm not a watch fag because time of day is instinctive to me. I also have an iPhone 13.
+--- 57851262
+>>57851224
+Oh yeah I'm definitely ok with quartz.
+Casio Duro looks like it'd look good with a nato strap, and it's around 80$
+>>57851217
+Vostok is starting at like 250$ here
+--- 57851284
+>>57851259
+>iPhone13
+Ceiling cat is watching you masturbate.
+--- 57851340
+>>57851173
+Diesel
+--- 57851351
+>>57850626
+Actually I got it mixed up with the UX. Sexy oily goodness. My dad's got a sinn something or other, it's one of the high pressure ones with the neato desiccant chambers.
+--- 57851861
+>>57848279
+>>57839309
+The default strap is shit quality and will snap on its own much earlier than the battery dies. Get one with the metal strap
+--- 57852567
+>>57850004
+>>A+ basic functions.
+>>Fucking big led.
+>>Probably the best negative siaplay on a casio.
+>>Shitty acrilic display...
+Almost a flawless score here.
+--- 57852576
+>>57850004
+Can this take a nato strap?
+--- 57852622
+>>57851002
+Based Triathlon poster. Most people just assume it's a G-shock at first glance.
+--- 57854038
+I keep buying cheap timex watches from walmart and when they break or the battery dies I just buy a new one. what's the step up from this that doesn't look like a brick on your arm or cost a gorillion dollars?
+--- 57854217
+For me it's the protrek solar
+>basic compass
+>alt/baro/temp
+>solar
+>nuke time receiver
+Only complaint is the compass doesn't account for being at an angle. They should add a mercury level on the display to ensure you get a more accurate reading, or account for the angle automatically
+--- 57854786
+>>57854038
+what's your budget
+--- 57856051
+>>57854038
+I like this one. >>57842828
+It's like 25 bucks, lasts for years, and you can replace the battery
+--- 57856087
+>>57854786
+idk like $1-200
+--- 57856119
+>>57856087
+Citizen Ecodrive can be had for under 200 bucks, looks nice, and is good for 10 to 20 years before you need to replace the solar panels, though if you're beating a quartz timex to death, you are still likely to do the same to any other quartz solely unless you're getting them wet.
+--- 57856146
+>>57850855
+most astronauts wear fucking casios and other quartz watches when on station, stop believing promo bullshots.
+it's the same with formula one pilots, it doesn't mean they use automatic watches for time measurement just because they get a $45000 Rolex strapped to their wrists before standing ont he podium.
+how fucking dumb are you? IQs below room temperature shouldnt even own guns
+--- 57856178
+>>57856146
+worst part is that they dont even use watches in EVA anymore so he can constantly claim
+>its the longest used watch in outer space!
+here's a list of all watches that went to EVA
+http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001835.html
+Notice how there's even a quartz watch in there.
+--- 57856229
+>>57856146
+>>57856178
+This whole argument is retarded as fuck.
+>but muh spacemen use X!
+Like lmao, how old/childish are you? Are you a fucking spaceman?
+--- 57856646
+>>57849454
+Based and truthpilled
+t. a mechanical watch enjoyer
+--- 57856666
+Is this a watch rec thread?
+Looking for something within these criteria
+>Very legible display
+>Water proof, at least up to 50m
+>Rugged and reliable
+>Maybe a compass
+>Within $500
+I go out fishing and boating a lot and have fallen into water a few times. I'm clumsy
+--- 57856729
+>>57839390
+Mechanical watches are retarded and you should feel bad about owning one because nearly every mechanical watch is overpriced garbage for what they are.
+If it's not quartz timer or better you might as well throw it in the bin.
+Just don't get cheap quartz circuits, anything above 60 moolahs in circuitry alone should give you a hyper accurate time piece that won't break or run out of battery in a couple years.
+The case itself doesn't matter at all, nor do any functions outside of timers.
+I have a generic chink/mexicoshit "replica" of a Rolex (made in the same factory same bracelet, they say "only in Switzerland" but it's all bullshit marketing) that I filled with a semi expensive generic quartz that has smooth motors rather than the cheap "tick" of cheap quartz, and it works unironically better than an actual Rolex kek. I also eventually replaced the cheap glass with sapphire glass and now noone would even tell the fucking difference without opening it.
+Honestly for most people, long battery (4week) smart watches are fine. If you're expecting an apocalypse get some of the digital ones anons here have suggested, or fuck around finding "fakes" that are probably just as good as 15 grand retard watches made to scam idiots that care about "skilled workmanship" rather than an actual decent product.
+--- 57856730
+>got quad 6s
+Holy kek
+This seems nice but I have 0 experience with any watches.
+https://www.seiyajapan.com/collections/seiko/products/seiko-prospex-200m-diver-solar-gmt-sbpk001-made-in-japan
+--- 57856757
+>>57856730
+The reviews are literally paid for, they read like a shill, "I wish I bought the more expensive one lol" be careful.
+>Accuracy: ±15 seconds per month
+Yeah that's normal for quartz. Should be fine.
+--- 57858004
+>>57856666
+Casio duro as other anonymous have said is pretty phenomenal for the price. Citizen has some nice offerings as well. If you want something mechanical I would go for a hamilton manual wind field watch. Otherwise there's a ton of gshock offerings that would serve you well. It's all up to what you like based on functions and aesthetics.
+--- 57858150
+>>57839309
+F-105W is a straight upgrade, no reason to get the 91 over it except for Taliban aesthetics
+--- 57858207
+This is my everyday watch. I have a couple of G-Shock's but I have genetic wristletism and I don't wear them because they look ridiculous.
+--- 57858210
+I bought a Casio A158W since my dog liked chewing the bands off my F-91W's. I wouldn't say it's more capable but the adjustable steel band is a big improvement over other watches I've worn before it. If I were to upgrade I'd definitely want a similar style band.
+--- 57858324
+>>57849454
+Based.
+If analogue is a requirement I'd go for ProTrek though, they are not quite as durable as G-Shocks, but they have solar, all the usual casio functions and a compass.
+I fucking love mechanical watches, but anyone who pretends they are in any way superior to digital in this day and age is delusional.
+--- 57858335
+>>57856729
+You must be fun at parties
+--- 57858383
+>>57858335
+>Anon goes to a party
+>Yeah this is actually a Zigglerwheilmer style movement
+>Everyone gather 'round and remain silent so we may appreciate the unique Hubbmleplex's unique tick
+--- 57858391
+>>57858383
+>everyone must share what I enjoy and only what I enjoy
+You've never been to a party
+--- 57858422
+>>57858391
+--- 57858456
+>>57849454
+>citizen eco-drive
+they suck ass after a few years. I've sent my blue angel twice for repairs also gifted a few from a stranger (always keep them in light).
+--- 57858534
+bought a g-shock GW6900-1 what amIn4?
+also, I have a f-105 and how to u get the spring pins out? I tried the floss method but there was nothing to grab. took some pliers and pulled them out to replace with 20mm nato strap that came with pins. the pins are too short and can't use the original pins since they're bent.
+--- 57858579
+>>57854217
+Based. I had a protrek for years.
+These days I wear one of those. They are relatively new and casios attempt to break into the smart watch market while still retaining the qulities that made G-shock popular.
+It's sturdy, basic watch mode will run forever, but it also has gps, heart rate, and all that stuff.
+--- 57858900
+A dw-9052 that's bigger than my wrist.
+--- 57858916
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Mine
+--- 57858988
+Inexpensive and functional, keeps time good enough, I like it.
+--- 57859385
+Team G it is
+--- 57859409
+>>57839204 (OP)
+Watch?
+--- 57859476
+>>57843310
+>>57848782
+Based IMCO enjoyers. Got to use mine on my recent trip to Vegas and it lit those cigs like a pro.
+--- 57859538
+>>57858988
+what is it?
+--- 57859567
+>>57859538
+I don't know the model, but that dude has an Islander, house brand of long island watch. Most movements are seiko based, but there are a few ameriquaterz.
+--- 57859599
+>>57859538
+Islander ISL-49 with a coin edge bezel and ceramic bezel insert.
+>>57859567
+You got it.
+--- 57859623
+>>57858988
+>islander
+I've never seen one out and about.
+--- 57859690
+>>57859599
+>>57859623
+thanks, it looks nice and the price is alright, I'd pick one up to check it out but I already have a seiko samurai to fill my diver's watch needs
+--- 57859713
+Anyone know a watch that might be useful for pilots? Baro, altimeter, etc maybe built into the watch face/main interface screen?
+--- 57859739
+>>57859713
+Either a garmin or apple smartwatch
+--- 57859752
+>>57859713
+>Baro, altimeter
+Shouldn't your plane instruments tell you that?
+Anyways Protrek, a few G-shocks or most Garmins have that.
+--- 57859769
+>>57859752
+>Shouldn't your plane instruments tell you that?
+Plane won't until you set your baro before startup, and having a watch tell your your baro is useful because it saves time having to check the METAR or listen to the radio for it.
+--- 57859771
+>>57859713
+>Baro, altimeter, etc
+Those are all screaming into your face from your gages if you are flying a plane. I used the altimeter feature on a Casio watch a lot when I was hiking. If I calibrated it within a week it would be more accurate than GPS most of the time.
+--- 57859773
+>>57859690
+The way I see it, at least it has sapphire instead of hardlex, I think it's a better deal than the new 38mm series Seiko released a few days ago and certainly cheaper than trying to get a real SKX013.
+--- 57859850
+>>57859771
+>Those are all screaming into your face from your gages if you are flying a plane.
+Anon, pilots are autistic about backups to backups to backups. Steam gauge altimeters can also fail, pitot tubes can get clogged, etc.
+But really the main use is on the ground, before flying. Don't know your field elevation? Check the altimeter on the watch. Don't want to tune the radio to the nearest ATIS for a baro reading? Its on your watch.
+--- 57860381
+>>57859409
+>Just stare at the sun bro! Those flashing blotches will go away... Eventually.
+>Clouds? What are those?
+>Dense tree canopy where the sun literally is not visible at all? Just free climb to the top of the biggest tree and stare at the sun bro!
+--- 57860469
+>>57859769
+Thats what atis is for, or set your altimeter to field elevation
+--- 57860689
+>>57859690
+They also got other styles. They just released a new line that uses the Seiko mecha quartz movement, which you only find in Seiko's Asian sub brands and alibaba brands.
+I like the idea of a decent and affordable mecha quartz, just not a chronograph, which is all the have right now.
+--- 57860754
+>water resist
+--- 57862530
+>>57860381
+>he can't tell time purely by listening to his internal circadian rhythm
+--- 57863769
+>>57850004
+i have all 3. Khaki is my main driver. Had high hopes for the negative display, but it is not useable, can't read unless you line it up it just right.
+--- 57864840
+>>57848123
+Nice to see a fellow W800(HM) enjoyer, though mine hasn't been soldered (I'm content with the stopwatch and don't use the alarm) and I replaced the broken band with another band from a broken Casio watch.
+--- 57864960
+>>57859850
+>Anon, pilots are autistic about backups to backups to backups
+No they aren't.
+>Don't know your field elevation? Check the altimeter on the watch. Don't want to tune the radio to the nearest ATIS for a baro reading?
+Holyshit it's a no-fly. Don't take this retards advice, the station at your airport will give you good numbers and your checklist will last multiple readings anyway so there is no reason to disregard it and use an uncertified, unmaintained, unreliable source for your fucking navigational and altimeter settings.
+Jesus christ, don't talk about shit you obviously know nothing about.
+--- 57866102
+>>57860689
+they have some really nice looking ones, but the ones I'm interested in are sold out unfortunately
+--- 57867175
+Watchanons, why are multi-wave preferred over GPS?
+am I missing something if I went with GPS?
+>t. radio-less ausfag
+--- 57867374
+The only correct answer to this thread is all of them.
+--- 57867704
+>>57867374
+I wonder what the Ukraine war is going to do to the quirky hipster reputation of Amphibia?
+>NOOO YOU CAN'T WEAR THAT, YOU'RE SUPPORTING LE HECKIN WARCRIMERINOS
+--- 57868036
+>>57839204 (OP)
+A solar-powered watch would make sense. Automatic watches are nice, but they often aren't accurate, and need resetting every week or so, unless it's a premium watch, and they require servicing.
+--- 57868081
+SEIKO COMING THROUGH
+>fuck rolex
+>fuck iwc
+>fuck sinn
+>fuck all the french shit
+>fuck laco
+>FUCK omega
+>fuck all those wannabe trendy epic outdoorsman craft beer mini brands who just put uncalibrated seiko NH35/35As into basic SKX replica cases and put their le epic logo onto basic dials
+CITIZEN
+CASIO
+SEIKO
+WE RIDE TOGETHER, WE DIE TOGETHER
+i will take no comments
+--- 57868110
+I think I'm just gonna buy a Mudmaster.
+--- 57869035
+>>57867704
+Obsessed
+--- 57869107
+>>57839497
+you never know when you'll need to barter for a rat burger
+--- 57869264
+>>57867704
+If that was the case, I would be wearing my two amphibias and VDV komandirskie in rotation everyday to show how much I don't give a shit about muh Ukraine.
+Unfortunately, 99% of people don't give a fuck about watches and won't even bother looking at what I am wearing, and the remaining 1% has never heard of Vostok.
+--- 57869422
+>>57869264
+>VDV komandirskie
+that a diver's watch?
+--- 57869510
+>>57869422
+No it's an officer's watch.
+--- 57869858
+>>57867175
+GPS is fine, it’s just more expensive than radio controlled watches.
+--- 57870078
+>>57864960
+Anon you wouldn't be flying under night vision illegally would you?
+--- 57870099
+>>57870078
+>illegally
+Why would you assume that?
+--- 57870112
+>>57869510
+Does the VEH DEH VEH actually wear these or is it just a meme / marketing watch
+>>57869858
+Thanks, do you know if GPS watches can be updated if/when timezone rules changed? Or are these eventually obsolete? I'm semi-tempted to get a seiko astron or similar for my next watch
+--- 57870183
+>>57842828
+That one has shitty buttons. Get the better one for 10$ more.
+--- 57870202
+>>57868081
+pretty based
+--- 57870276
+>>57870099
+I havent read the far pt 91 in a long time, I thought general aviation wasn't allowed to officially use night vision for flying
+--- 57870508
+>>57870112
+actually holy shit nevermind that I am not expecting them to be as expensive as they are
+>>57868081
+seikoanon, got any recs of solar seikos suitable with nato strap?
+--- 57870533
+>>57839204 (OP)
+>cheap Casio
+Actually not many features, only 3 buttons for most, resin rot is real, strap will fail.
+>average Casio
+More features and buttons, better straps.
+>Gshock
+Resin rot, strap will fail.
+Yeah, get some $40-60 Casio.
+--- 57870917
+>>57870508
+>solar seikos suitable with nato strap?
+http://www.watchsleuth.com/seikodiverfinder/search/?MV%5B%5D=V145&amp;MV%5B%5D=V157&amp;MV%5B%5D=V158&amp;MV%5B%5D=V172&amp;MV%5B%5D=V175
+http://www.watchsleuth.com/seikochronofinder/search/?MVTYPE%5B%5D=Solar
+Pic related, depending on your wrist size the recent seiko night vision series might be appealing to you. The watch on the right is solar, as well as the chrono posted above.
+Otherwise, a chinese re-brander "Tactical Frog" has started to buy seiko VS75 movements and put them into chronos.
+In general, any Seiko that isn't an explicit dress watch is suitable for a nato strap, BUT
+If you've got some money to spend, google for Seiko PROSPEX solars and you'll find the premium shit. They also have some more obscure solar field watches, and while the lume on them is pretty great, it isn't applied everywhere it should be.
+Nato straps basically "have become solved" and pointless with the recent rise of (curved-end) silikone straps.
+be it literally any aliexpress curved or a $60 (but literally indestructable) Crafterblue, they do what NATO straps did, only better:
+- close the optical gap between lugs, watch and strap
+- quiet
+- easily adjustable without tools, unlike metal bracelets
+- good water resistance
+- ++feature that natos don't have: they do not absorb smell
+If you've ever worn a nato strap for 3 months constantly during sommer, sport, sleeping, showering etc, it smells like a fucking dogs ass with diarrhea.
+The last time I took my watch off was like 14 months ago when I had to go into a CRT machine, so I really wear them 24/7. Silicone straps do not absorb smell and I'm never going back to nato.
+That being said, if you want to stick to your Nato straps: throw them into boiling water every 3 months and have em dry, then put em back on. Don't listen to idiots who tell you to just rub some soap into the strap everytime you take a shower, that's not gonna do shit in the long term. Boil it or replace it.
+--- 57870952
+>>57870917
+>seiko in the year 20 x (20 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20) + 20 + 3
+Overpriced trash.
+>If you've ever worn a nato strap for 3 months constantly during sommer, sport, sleeping, showering etc, it smells like a fucking dogs ass with diarrhea.
+FUCKING WASH IT WITH SOAP.
+>Don't listen to idiots who tell you to just rub some soap into the strap everytime you take a shower, that's not gonna do shit in the long term.
+IT FUCKING DOES.
+--- 57871004
+>>57870917
+on a sidenote, pic related is what I'm wearing now minus the leather strap because my 22mm curved end silicone is underway already.
+Citizen AS-4035, kinda expensive for a "tool watch", but then I bought unused it for 1/4th of its price because the woman who sold it to me explained that her husband didn't like it. he only likes watches where the second hand flows and so she put it back into the box and let it sit in the drawer. mint condition, fucking lemayo. But hey, I won't complain. as a general tip, always try to get em used first if they're not automatic. most of the time, people have no idea what the fuck they're selling.
+TL;DR, if you're looking for "military field watch" types, citizen has some great chronographs that only start getting into expensive territory if you want radio controlled movements for automatic time adjustment. you're never gonna need that unless you're literally the protagonist from far cry 2 and event then...
+--- 57871051
+>>57870917
+>Seiko Prospex
+I bought an automatic for 700 and was pretty disappointed. Loses time faster than my nu-hamilton and tissot.
+Silicon straps are fine I guess, but they make your watch look like a child’s toy watch.
+Bracelet, NATO, or bust.
+--- 57871120
+>>57870952
+>FUCKING WASH IT WITH SOAP.
+i don't know how sensitive your nose is, but I promise you that showering with a nato strap, no matter how much soap you dump onto that motherfucker, is NOT going to get rid off the smell.
+it just does not. we can go yesnoyesnoyesnoyesno for the next 2 hours, but I stand by my point.
+I've worn watches long enough, I've been fumbling and fucking around with them for 2 decades and have tried every type of watch strap there is. natos are fine and somewhat durable, but they do absorb sweat and the fabric does start to smell bad. getting rid of that smell isn't dont with a spritz of soap.
+>>57871051
+>automatic
+you've given yourself the answer: automatic movement.
+prospex auto's are still automatics and I wouldn't trust the most expensive automatic to keep the timer better than an old f91w. it's just not technically possible.
+i don't get why people still fall for the automatic watch meme, the 80s are over.
+>Silicon straps are fine I guess, but they make your watch look like a child’s toy watch.
+depends on the combination of watch and strap, but I rarely see people using anything but black silicone straps. pic related
+--- 57871175
+>>57871120
+>i don't get why people still fall for the automatic watch meme, the 80s are over.
+Because watches are jewelry and status items, Anon. That is why the most valuable and coveted watch brands are automatics.
+Your phone is more useful in every way for telling time accurately and only a handful of niche uses (diving, gps, etc.) warrant the use of a watch to begin with.
+Otherwise it’s just grey man LARP.
+--- 57871206
+>>57871120
+>showering with a nato strap
+Not showering, washing it: take it off, wash it with warm water and soap, like you'd wash any other piece of nylon, wheather a coat, a chest rig, or a belt, because I sure hope you watch your gear anon. I do it like once a month while washing my hands, I wash the band along with any dust or grime that accumulated on the watch, takes a minute, and then it's perfectly fine.
+It's fucking nylon, it's easy enough to wash, unless we're talking low quality NATOs with cotton fibers, or all the perlon shit that are made of whatever chinks have available.
+--- 57871250
+>>57871175
+I'd argue that turning my wrist and looking at pic related is even more practical than fumbling a hopefully charged phone out of a pocket, turning it on an looking at it. especially when you're at the beach or something.
+but I see your point and I agree with it: watches are jewelry for man.
+not so much status items though, because literally nobody will ever stop you and go "omg anon is that a rolex on your wrist?".
+you buy a watch because YOU like it and think it looks good, but you're almost never going to impress anybody with your watch. maybe a tinder date and when she shows an unusual interest in your rolex, then you gotta bail anyway.
+--- 57871263
+>>57871120
+>showering
+have you heard of the concept of washing your clothes/washing machines, you fucking ape?
+--- 57871280
+>>57870276
+Well, it's nobodies business.
+--- 57871660
+>>57871120
+>>57870917
+>Nato straps basically "have become solved"
+>I wouldn't trust the most expensive automatic to keep the timer better than an old f91w. it's just not technically possible
+How can you sound so confident about everything you’re saying yet be so retardedly wrong?
+--- 57871963
+>>57871660
+>I wouldn't trust the most expensive automatic to keep the timer better than an old f91w. it's just not technically possible
+Everything he said there was actually correct
+stop buying 5$ fakes on ebay
+--- 57872521
+>>57868081
+Fuck you IWC makes god tier watchers.
+You're right about everything else.
+--- 57872562
+>>57871660
+He's right though and you are wrong and gay.
+>>57868110
+Those are fucking huge aren't they. Not hating, but you need a beefy wrist to rock one of those.
+--- 57872572
+>>57868081
+Seiko was the best bang for the buck brand up until a few years ago. Nowadays, the prices are pretty much on the same level as Swiss watches. They make mostly big, thick, tacky watches with subpar movements and cheap bracelets.
+--- 57872607
+>>57864960
+This dumb nigger actually thinks all fields have baros lmao. Fuck you idiot.
+--- 57872655
+>>57868081
+>>57870917
+>>57871004
+>>57871120
+>citizen
+>seiko
+What’s next, Fossil?
+This is the advice you follow if you dress like a 14 year old who just wants a giant tacky glowing watch with a bunch of useless and crowded complications on his wrist, likely with a bezel thats 44mm or bigger.
+Watch equivalent of 5.11 and merrell.
+--- 57872694
+>>57872607
+Anon if a small strip doesn't have any info typically pilots set to field elevation or get weather from a nearby field. If you're doing bushplane shenanigans that's different but even still any responsible pilot is not going to use a watch to pull altitude information
+--- 57872741
+>>57872694
+It's a dude illegally flying with nvgs so I quite frankly don't give a shit what he thinks.
+Modern digital baros fit in a chip the size of a grain of a grain of rice and are incredibly accurate so even if you are doing backwood STOL shit off of mesas of unknown elevation or something they're going to be plenty reliable.
+--- 57872994
+>>57871963
+>>57872562
+>Everything he said there was actually correct
+here’s how the next set of replies will go:
+1) I will point you to the Rolex specifications which show it’s more accurate than an F-91W per month
+2) You will then move the goal posts claiming that it doesn’t actually matter that it’s more accurate because it’s thousands of times cheaper than a Rolex so it’s better value
+3) I will then point out that you were factually wrong and a cock sucking faggot
+4) You will then say accuracy doesn’t matter since we all have smartphones
+5) I’ll then point out that if you can use your phone, then why do you have an F-91
+6) go kill yourseld
+--- 57873165
+>>57872994
+Anon they're just coping, let them. The reality is as long as a watch is able to be hacked and standardized between a fire team and can reasonably hold that time for a single day it will be usable in shtf
+--- 57873231
+>>57872741
+The original claim was that you can use your watch as a substitute for a field altimeter to save time as stated >>57859769 so admitting that it's only useful for remote stol stuff is a huge step. Glad we could clear that up, retard

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+--- 57843595
+In Japan there is a style of martial art called Kyudo. This is ritual archery, where 正射正中, "a true shot always hits," and the emphasis is on absolutely proper form and the spiritual connection between the shooter, his weapon, and the iron thread between the shooter and his target.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT0XczNY9TU [Embed]
+A gun kyudo, a more ritualistic and intuitive shooting sport, should be developed. Pistols, without sights and certainly without optics, shot with one arm, at a 14" target 100 feet away. Only proper form, stillness of hand, and an absolute connection between the shooter and his weapon would ensure a hit. This would promote concentration, and would forge a bond between a man and his handgun, making them one being.
+What does /k/ think of my new martial art?
+--- 57843607
+>>57843595 (OP)
+Thats what olympic shooting is, and its really fucking gay, however kyudo is based because all of the girls ive seen practice it are decently cute
+>t. lives in Japan
+--- 57843608
+>>57843595 (OP)
+Retarded but fun.
+--- 57843611
+>>57843607
+>/k/ommando lives in Japan
+That's probably more interesting than where this thread will go otherwise. What's it like for you anon?
+--- 57843624
+>>57843607
+No, picrel is olympic shooting, and it is an abomination. They shoot small calibers with absolutely laughable amounts of gear/optics and zero spiritual element.
+--- 57843625
+>>57843595 (OP)
+>gun in japanese is "Jū"
+>Jūdo / Jūjutsu
+I think there might be a problem with that term
+--- 57843640
+>>57843611
+I just moved here about a month or so ago, but ive visted a bunch before. I work as an English teacher (lmao) and im planning on staying here for a year or two then becoming either a milfag pilot or an air traffic controller.
+Anyways, its pretty cool, my town is a pretty boring suburb, but theres a train station about 10 minutes away by foot where I can end up in the nearest major city in about an hour or so. I've just been wandering around the country by rail in the time ive been here and oogling the airshit in hobby shops whenever I miss my gats back home.
+Is there anything specific you wanna know?
+--- 57843644
+>>57843624
+I often wonder how useful this gear is. You never hear about anything of the sort being used by combat snipers, and those guys are the ones with all the records, not these tards.
+--- 57843649
+>>57843624
+That's why biathlon is the true /k/ sport. Heavy exercise combined with target shooting emulates combat conditions.
+>In modern times, the activity that developed into this sport was an exercise for Norwegians as alternative training for the military. Norwegian skiing regiments organized military skiing contests in the 18th century, divided into four classes: shooting at mark while skiing at top speed, downhill race among trees, downhill race on big hills without falling, and a long race on flat ground while carrying a rifle and military pack. In modern terminology, these military contests included downhill, slalom, biathlon, and cross-country skiing
+--- 57843659
+>>57843640
+How it is as a gunfag, I suppose, and how the locals respond to your interest in firearms and airshit. Do you mean a milfag pilot or ATC for the japs, or for your home nation? If for the japs, why?
+--- 57843661
+>>57843624
+"all the horsemen's faces gaudy and grotesque with daubings like a company of mounted clowns, death hilarious"
+--- 57843662
+>>57843649
+Why is that sign photoshopped?
+--- 57843674
+>>57843625
+It would have to be "kenjūdo," "拳銃道" -- "the way of the handgun."
+--- 57843677
+>>57843659
+I hide my /k/ommando power level because nips are very, very afraid of even the concept of a gun, its really strange, but a bunch of them visited my apartment when I lived in Arizona and I showed them my guns and the girls basically had panic attacks and refused to even touch them, my one Westaboo buddy held them, but the rest treated them like they were radioactive lmao.
+Also no, I'm a burger, I'm just doing this for fun and because its something Ive wanted to do for a while, and I had the opportunity, so I went for it.
+--- 57843687
+>>57843677
+I should add, nips are conditioned from a young age to abhor violence. Like kids playing rock paper scissors dont slap their fist in their palm when they are playing because its percived as being violent
+--- 57843692
+>>57843674
+Maybe shorted it to kendo?
+--- 57843705
+>>57843687
+Oh, come on. I've also spent a lot of time in Japan, and some kids are in Judo, Sumo, and wrestling from age 5. "Martial" sports -- guns aside -- are more popular in Japan than they are anywhere else.
+--- 57843713
+>>57843692
+Already exists. (It is slightly less based because of its autistic ruleset.)
+--- 57843731
+This shit better be done in 1700's dress with spark/flint/miquel/wheel/match lock guns or I am not buying
+--- 57843734
+>>57843705
+Nah, Im serious, not sure what the whole thing about it is, but that's what one of my co-workers said the other day. My best guess is that with kendo/sumo/etc. is that it's in a controlled environment with certain expectations vs out in public
+--- 57843765
+>>57843595 (OP)
+It already exists, the only difference is the Japanese-style ritualized training.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwC4RL-FpDE [Embed]
+This style of training can however also be applied to normal firearms-training there is no need for non-ideal form to be paired with it.
+e.g.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQDfwyUgtjg [Embed]
+--- 57843898
+>>57843644
+no anon, military snipers don't have olympic records. where did you get that idea from? and typically if a civillian shoots someone at long range it's called 'murder' and they get put in jail or executed for it.
+you seem to be confused as to what you're actually talking about, and are conflating multiple different things. that shit is very useful for winning olympic medals; that's why they use it. they don't care about if it's useful in a military context, because they're not in the military. see how that works?
+not everything to do with guns is a call of duty larp. maybe step away from the internet for a while.
+--- 57843919
+>>57843687
+>Like kids playing rock paper scissors dont slap their fist in their palm when they are playing because its percived as being violent
+They don't do it because they just don't do it. It's not because adults want them not to do it because violence
+Japanese kids like to play pretend fights as Ultraman and stuff.
+--- 57843920
+>>57843898
+Don't talk down to me, you fucking child. I am talking about general records concerning snipers. I am not talking about "WHOOAAAAA WHO GOT DA HIGHEST KDR!!??!" My point was the military snipers? They hold all the records related to sniping. Olympic "sniping" as you call it is only related to the sport. Which is why I fucking asked if any of their equipment had actual use in the context of actual sniping, because, you retard, sniping records can also extend to targets and hunting, not simply military contexts. Fucking dunce.
+--- 57843971
+>>57843919
+Well yeah, when I say conditioned, I mean their parents yell at them to knock it off. Sorry that it came across that way, I got off work like 2 hours ago so im kinda schleepy
+--- 57843991
+>>57843687
+I believe that's japs not wanting to be disruptive, something about maintaining harmony or some shit. Heard it explained once.
+--- 57844004
+>>57843677
+You have jap friends? I'm surprised you found enough japs with acceptable English skills for that. Did you take the westaboo shooting at least?
+--- 57844045
+>>57843991
+From what I hear, before the war they had a pretty vibrant gun culture going on, its that after losing the biggest war ever that started in part to their aggression and the years of occupation afterward, anything seen as "aggressive" became a cultural faux paus. Also yeah the cultural harmony thing has a lot to do with it.
+>>57844004
+Yeah, a few, unfortunately I couldnt go shooting with the westaboo since we didnt have the time, and all of the covid lockdown shenanigans happened literal weeks after he left the states so I didnt see him for another 3ish years until I met him again in Germany. Also it's pretty easy to find at least a curious acquaintance who can speak some japanglish at you, and if reciprocate it can grow from there. My westaboo buddy was like that and 4 years after I first met him, he is what I would consider to be basically fluent.
+--- 57844062
+>>57843595 (OP)
+I got you OP
+https://youtu.be/-_y7PL23Cko [Embed]
+--- 57844070
+>>57844045
+"Freeaboo", surely
+--- 57844197
+There's a great moral degeneration doujin about two cute sisters who practice that.
+--- 57844211
+>>57843644
+It's for consistency.
+All the fancy bullshit just exists so the gun shoots the EXACT same way every single time. It's just about improving consistency.
+>>57843920
+>military snipers? They hold all the records related to sniping.
+Because olympic athletes generally don't see combat?
+--- 57844223
+>>57843640
+Based adventure haver. How expensive are the high-speed rail lines?
+--- 57844281
+>>57844223
+Honestly not too awful, a ride from Kobe to Tokyo (~300 miles) is roughly $110 and takes 3 hours one way. While it is cheaper to fly that, with the Shinkansen you dont need to go through airport bullshit, and you get dropped generally where you want to be, and you can take the metro/other trains to anywhere else you want to go, so I feel that the convenience is worth whatever you would save flying.
+--- 57844318
+>>57843640
+how much japanese do you need in your daily life?
+I'm thinking of visiting and working from japan for a bit since my buisness is home office and I've got someone that can handle the physical paperwork
+I can read katakana and a decent bit of vocab but making a coherent sentance is above me
+--- 57844342
+>>57844281
+Right. I've heard it's not as cheap as people think, but that's still not bad. What's been the easiest adjustment to make?
+--- 57844387
+>>57843595 (OP)
+>. Pistols, without sights and certainly without optics, shot with one arm, at a 14" target 100 feet away. Only proper form, stillness of hand, and an absolute connection between the shooter and his weapon would ensure a hit. This would promote concentration, and would forge a bond between a man and his handgun, making them one being
+Minus the lack of sights, what you're describing is NRA bullseye 50 yd slowfire.
+It's 10 shots in 10 minutes, 1 minute each to make sure each shot is perfect
+--- 57844420
+>>57844318
+Speaking isnt super required when it comes to daily life, especially in the big cities like tokyo where most people can speak english to some extent or another. Listening though I find is super useful, I can understand a decent amount and figure out most situations through context, but I cant do much more speaking beyond some pretty simple introductions.
+My company does a bunch of the paperwork for me, so reading isnt suuuper important in my case, but I do know hira/katakana and some kanji and it does make a big difference.
+>>57844342
+Easiest is finding food lol. There are a ton of familiar chains and things so if you get a hankering for a burger you can just walk into a Wendy's and get one. Also getting groceries is pretty easy because they have supermarkets all over the place here.
+--- 57844444
+>>57843920
+i can guarantee you a very decent Olympic shooter will outshoot a us army or marine sniper any day of the week when it comes to shooting a paper target at a distance.
+and i can guarantee you the military sniper will outshoot an Olympic shooter in every other scenario that isn't shooting at a paper target.
+I'm sorry anon, no matter how much you love Israel's greatest military force (US military) a guy with an $8,000 custom built gun and years upon years of practicing shooting a target with said gun will out-shoot the best taxpayer-trained grunt with a rifle made by the lowest bidder, who's training consists of maybe 50% distance shooting and 50% doing non-shooting related bullshit like pushups and surviving in a forest for a week
+--- 57844490
+>>57844444
+You were given quints just to draw attention to how batshit retarded your cope/bait post is
+--- 57844807
+>>57843595 (OP)
+Already a thing
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C5%8Djutsu
+--- 57845507
+>>57843640
+>English teacher
+JETson
+--- 57845527
+>>57844807
+>Reenactment
+:|
+>Reenactment, Japan
+:O
+--- 57845641
+>>57843920
+>My point was the military snipers? They hold all the records related to sniping
+No they absolutely do not, lmao, a 5 second googling turned up this:
+https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/firearm-hunting/7-774-yards-new-world-record-rifle-shot-set-in-wyoming
+They hold the record for longest KILL-shots, of course, but that's because war is the only place where you can do that without getting thrown in jail, and war is where military snipers operate
+--- 57845684
+>>57845527
+I've honestly come to respect re-enactment quite a bit. When I was young I saw it as cringe and gay, now I see it as something akin to practical history, understanding history by studying AND doing, and also giving a visual example to others of how it looked like.
+--- 57845777
+>>57843595 (OP)
+While there is a bit of a spiritual aspect to kyudo, it's often grossly exaggerated. Partially because you had to if you wanted to do anything remotely martial in the late forties, and largely because an old hippie weeb who didn't know any real Japanese wrote a book about it (Zen in the Art of Archery). Unsurprisingly, said book leaves a lot to be desired: https://thezensite.com/ZenEssays/CriticalZen/The_Myth_of_Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery.pdf
+Now we do have old martial arts dealign with firearms. On the whole they are basically just matchlock handling drills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgP_G_U0iE [Embed]
+All said and done it's mostly that any practice requiring deep focus (target shooting being an obvious example) can take on spiritual undertones and the Japanese aren't shy about acknowledging that.
+>Pistols, without sights and certainly without optics, shot with one arm
+You're missing the point. Kyudo uses old equipment just for tradition's sake (it's not like this is going to be a practically useful skill regardless), not because making shit harder somehow makes it more spiritual. You can be as focused on your shooting with a red dot as without sights. Your way of shooting simply means you don't need as long a shooting range to see the difference between good and great shooting.
+>>57843624
+>They shoot small calibers with absolutely laughable amounts of gear/optics and zero spiritual element.
+You're focusing on the gear, they're focusing on the target. You're not going to buy your way to enlightenment regardless of whether it's a dioptre sight or sightless pistol you bought. If you want spirituality you'll have to put your vanity to the side and look elsewhere.
+--- 57846253
+>>57843595 (OP)
+Seems gay to me
+--- 57847507
+>>57845777
+based and Buddha pilled
+--- 57847795
+>>57845777
+>Practically useful skill
+Considering the former prime minister was just assassinated with a musket a group of heavy archers could probably bring a city to it's knees.
+Unfortunately vanishingly few traditional Japanese archers use the full power bows of the past. Samurai used to have tests where you'd have to shoot over a building that physically cannot be cleared from the starting position with a bow of less than 100 pounds draw weight.
+--- 57848063
+>>57843595 (OP)
+I'm in. would it be done using modern handguns or historical ones?
+--- 57848126
+Any Japanese martial-art, which all end with -do, is a watered down version of the original -jitsu martial art that was largely lost because of the Meiji Reformation when traditional Japanese arts and traditions were largely banned.
+Then when high schools and/or the Olympics got involved they got even more watered-down. You're looking at a LARP of a LARP when it comes to Japanese martial-arts.
+--- 57848178
+>>57848126
+Jujutsu - Judo
+Aiki-jujutsu - Aikido
+Kenjutso - Kendo
+Kyujutsu - Kyudo
+--- 57848228
+>>57843595 (OP)
+Have you seen a kyudo competition? They miss all the fucking time. All this "muh spiritual purity" bullshit is a bunch of cope that was made up in the late 19th century. I really doubt 16th century samurai gave a single solitary shit about "form" beyond your ability to hit what you're shooting at.
+--- 57848669
+>>57845777
+>You're missing the point. Kyudo uses old equipment just for tradition's sake (it's not like this is going to be a practically useful skill regardless), not because making shit harder somehow makes it more spiritual. You can be as focused on your shooting with a red dot as without sights. Your way of shooting simply means you don't need as long a shooting range to see the difference between good and great shooting.
+Based digits, kami-sama.
+I do think, however, that the spirit of Kyudo lies precisely in its focus on form rather than its focus on piercing the target.
+Kyudo practitioners are allowed to use new equipment. Carbon fiber and fiberglass bows are far more popular (and cheaper) than old-fashioned bamboo bows. Moreover, draw weights are low in kyudo -- historical/antique war bows are much harder to draw: http://gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2017/07/yumi-japanese-bow.html
+Lastly, in kyudo, you're not allowed to use any marking or tool that might help you aim. The focus is strictly on proper positioning and form. "A true shot always hits." This actually fosters a real bond between the archer and his arrow. Surely the same can be done for handguns, and not in a samurai-larp flintlock sense.
+--- 57848736
+>>57848178
+>Kenjutso - Kendo
+"Police kendo" is, in at least a few locations in Japan, kenjutsu + grappling. It's based. But regular kendo is lame because of a gimped set of competition rules, and modern "kenjutsu" is purest cringe.
+--- 57848816
+>>57844211
+>Because olympic athletes generally don't see combat
+A few biathlon shooters got caught up in Sarajevo during the sniper wars there. Apparently they did pretty well. One of them only went down because he kept camping the same spot and another one of the Biathlon guys from the other side caught on.
+>t. Fry the Brain: The art of Urban Sniping and something something
+--- 57848883
+>>57848126
+>Any Japanese martial-art, which all end with -do, is a watered down version of the original -jitsu martial art that was largely lost because of the Meiji Reformation
+That's a bit unkind. The jitsu "art" forms are for practical war fighting, the do "way" forms are for self discovery. They're meditation aids.
+They're not watered down or replacements. They serve different functions entirely.
+--- 57849076
+>>57843624
+>muh small calibers
+With that kind of shooting, caliber really doesn't make much of a difference outside of the wind pushing your bullet around more at a shorter range.
+>with absolutely laughable amounts of gear/optics
+They have an adjustable stock and a peep sight with an aperture that's adjustable rather than needing to swap apertures. Modern tactical long range shooting is more gear focused.
+>inb4 the jacket is impractically stiff, when a motorcycle jacket is considered too stiff for competition use for that style of shooting
+--- 57849125
+>>57849076
+> t.
+--- 57849147
+>>57843692
+That's fencing
+--- 57849216
+>>57849076
+They should have to kill a boar with their gun to qualify for the competition.
+--- 57849258
+>>57849076
+>With that kind of shooting, caliber really doesn't make much of a difference
+There's zero recoil. In real shooting, your stance is adjusted to handle recoil and your body is using a lot more muscle to brace.
+When I did precision shooting in high school, the coach told us "you should feel like a blob" when in position. You use as little muscle as humanly possible. If you tried shooting a .308 while completely relaxed in a standing or kneeling position, you'd get knocked on your ass 100% of the time and you'd get the shit beaten out of you by your own gun within 10 rounds.
+--- 57849329
+>>57848126
+>because of the Meiji Reformation when traditional Japanese arts and traditions were largely banned
+The Meiji government banned carrying swords in public.
+The McCarthy administration banned most martial arts, taking aim at kendo and judo specifically (so, you know, the -do was there already).
+No one banned tea ceremony, ikebana, ukiyo-e, etc.
+You need to do your homework better.
+>>57848669
+>the spirit of Kyudo lies precisely in its focus on form rather than its focus on piercing the target.
+Same shit most of the time, since form is necessary for accuracy. The rest of the movements are just there because the Japanese like to have a script to follow.
+>The focus is strictly on proper positioning and form.
+Which you need to be accurate. You're largely making up a this-or-that schism where there is none so you can pretend it's all different and special and mystical.
+>Surely the same can be done for handguns, and not in a samurai-larp flintlock sense.
+Sure, you can take the sights off of a gun. Don't expect that to expand your mind though, only your group sizes. What kind of spirituality are you looking for if you think a few metal nubs on a gun will stand in your way? And remember, Buddha rejected both luxury and asceticism. You going on about what sights specifically a gun has here is basically just vanity.
+Go listen to people who actually have found spirituality in these things and you'll notice that what they speak of is repeated practice until they no longer have to consciously think of it and intense focus so they aren't consciously thinking of anything else either. The use of tools doesn't prevent this, but nor do you need to forge some kind of bond with any tool for it either. So just like finding enlightenment in Zen Buddhism by sitting down and shutting up ( https://www.amazon.com/Sit-Down-Shut-Up-Commentaries/dp/1577315596 ) spirituality in shooting isn't going to be a matter of buying a special blessed dharmablaster, Instead just load, aim, fire.
+--- 57849338
+>>57849216
+>he doesn't know
+https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/predator-hunting/airguns-feral-hogs-going-small-bore-small-boar
+>>57849258
+>but you have to brace for recoil
+No, you really don't. Not every style of shooting needs to focus on rapid fire.
+>If you tried shooting a .308 while completely relaxed in a standing or kneeling position, you'd get knocked on your ass 100% of the time
+If you're a child.
+--- 57849375
+>>57849338
+>https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/predator-hunting/airguns-feral-hogs-going-small-bore-small-boar
+I do know. I keep 17HMR and 22lr boar hunt videos tabbed so I can repost them here whenever people talk about caliber requirements for pigs.
+ I wasn't saying that they couldn't, I was saying that they have to.
+--- 57849408
+>>57849338
+>Not every style of shooting needs to focus on rapid fire
+>If you're a child
+A 300 pound man will be knocked off balance by a full-power rifle if he is only using enough muscle to keep himself upright in a position optimized for idle balance. The position is the polar opposite of sturdy.
+--- 57849471
+>>57849408
+>A 300 pound man will be knocked off balance by a full-power rifle if he is only using enough muscle to keep himself upright in a position optimized for idle balance
+Imagine actually believing this shit.
+--- 57849639
+>>57849408
+Maybe if the rifle weighed as much as a deringer, and even the that's a maybe.
+--- 57849744
+>>57849408
+Have you considered shooting in a stance that's actually stable when relaxed?
+--- 57849915
+>>57843640
+DO YOU GET PUSSY? ARE THEY SHAVED OR SMOOTH? ARE THEY KAWAII UWU?
+--- 57850911
+>>57849744
+Why do they wear those clown suits?
+--- 57851009
+>>57849408
+Anon, I'm gonna need you to post a gun with timestamp, preferably with your wrist in view so we can laugh at what a twig you are.
+--- 57852012
+>>57851009
+He has a point, though. "Practical" shooting and Olympic-style shooting are extremely different. Look at the "rifle COG" in >>57849744
+That's the worst possible way to hold a rifle if you need to use it in a defense or combat scenario.
+--- 57852041
+>>57843624
+This is one of those sports invented just so wealthy people can join the olympics without the effort or skill
+--- 57852107
+>>57843595 (OP)
+>more ritualistic and intuitive shooting sport, should be developed.
+Fuck you that's gay and retarded and so is nip archery.
+--- 57852168
+>>57847795
+>musket
+Leave.
+--- 57852209
+>>57843595 (OP)
+I try to use zen techniques for shooting
+Instead of trying too hard I’ll point shoot and correct the sights and fire as if it were being done on instinct
+Not constantly trying to line up a sight which only makes me mess
+--- 57852368
+>>57852012
+>the retard who is insisting you need to muscle a .308 onto target or it will knock you over has a point
+No, he really doesn't.
+>b-but muh mag dumpy CQC is the only practical use for a rifle
+Fuck off retard.
+--- 57852672
+Ironically, as a practical (for killing or shooting accurately) martial art, it sucks.
+Not only their bows require years of practice to master, the Japanese bow is limited severely in performance by its domestically available materials, and is therefore compensated by its giant cumbersome size. It also has very short range despite this, but this means that they can maintain a small easily maintainable firing range everywhere, a contributing factor to its worldwide popularity.
+It is no surprise that the Japanese were eager to immediately ditch them for Portuguese Arquebus even though there was no real spike and shot tactics in Japan.
+--- 57853606
+>>57852672
+>It also has very short range despite this
+Absolute nonsense. They used to test Samurai archers by having them shoot from two structural landmarks that still exist, over a building that still exists. The shot is not physically possible without a shot equal to normal warbows with draw weights over 100 pounds.
+--- 57855326
+>>57852209
+How’s that worked for you?
+--- 57855702
+>>57853606
+I think he's confusing low draw weight bows for kyudo with historic warbows
+--- 57855720
+>>57843607
+can you do shopping for weeb shit for us? theres a missing service no one has filled for that shit. the weeb kitkats are impossible to score here for under $10 for a single minipack.
+--- 57855822
+>>57843607
+olympic shooting is gay as fuck and super retarded
+--- 57855843
+>>57843595 (OP)
+add rifles to the mix too. this would greatly improve instinct shooting. go for a traditional dress as well. traditional redcoats for our british friends. blue coats for the amerifats. stuff like that to keep it in line with the general theme
+--- 57855855
+>>57843595 (OP)
+Rituals are faggotry. Only efficient, devastatingly effective killing is worth of admiration, not degenerate play without useful combat purpose.
+--- 57855856
+>>57843595 (OP)
+You are aware there is a Japanese art of the gun, right? Hojutsu?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgP_G_U0iE [Embed]
+--- 57855866
+>>57855855
+have a cheese burger. you're not yourself when you're hungry.
+--- 57855890
+>>57850911
+Make oneself more rigid. Increase stability to the point where finals had to be regularly shot without the jackets to reintroduce some form of variability, otherwise every one would go 10/10 every shot.
+Only riflefags use them though, Olympic pistol is where its at.
+--- 57855894
+>>57843625
+>>57843674
+It exists, see >>57855856
+The term is 砲術, "Hojutsu". The character 砲 is a bit more archaic, but it's the same one used for "Taiho"/"Dai-ho" (cannon/artillery, lit. "big gun"), and the same designation used for Imperial Japanese army weapons (ex. the Ho-103, the WWII era copy/clone of the M2 Browning)
+--- 57855902
+>>57843595 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BgP_G_U0iE [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wg0OQAa2A [Embed]
+Japan's way ahead of you.
+--- 57855925
+>>57845641
+>He's never hunted in the midwest
+Shameful, really.
+--- 57855945
+>>57845641
+>1 lucky shot after 5 hours of shooting
+lol, lmao.
+--- 57856083
+Japan anon here, just went into the city to go shopping for paint brushes for my 40k minis, went and oggled the airshit again, honestly buying one of these for shits and giggles sounds kinda fun.
+>>57855720
+Really? Theres no way that there isnt a service for that. But to be fair, those special kit kats arent all that cheap, and having to go out to don quixote to buy them in bulk, then ship them would add up quite a bit to the point where it wouldnt really be worh it unless I brought them on as a carryon next time I fly back to the US.
+However it probably would be worth if you wanted something that is either Japan exclusive or marked up a ton overseas like figurines and shit, Ive seen some stuff Ive won from an arcade for like 2 dollars sell for over 60 in the US.
+--- 57856144
+>>57856096
+Hey, it's that gun!
+--- 57856155
+>>57856096
+s 0yface activated
+--- 57856175
+>>57855326
+Guns aren’t my original focus so I did much better after I started treating it as a martial art but with point shooting
+I like handguns and use one handed so maybe that wouldn’t work with a rifle
+--- 57856247
+>>57856083
+yeah, j exclusive merch goes for big money, esp Starbucks shit. dudes make a living shipping cases to senpai in the states to sell for them.
+nintendo store fukubukuro bags. louis vuitton is like 1/4 usa price
+--- 57856457
+>>57843595 (OP)
+>What does /k/ think of my new martial art?
+I think you should realise that aside froma veil of mystical bullshit its principles of repeatable form via muscle memory attained via practise are exactly that of western archery as practised in FITA Olympic pic recurve and to confirm that you should actually learn archery in a FITA club and read zen and the art of archery. I will say that both the physical form of draw and of course the bows, clickets, arrow tuners, materials, fletching etc of western recurve archery are evidently more advanced and interesting and teach you even more about perfect repeatability. Even iof I wanted trad I would go longbow. Your just another worthless thousand folded weeb (unless you are actually Japanese in which case based, enjoy your national traditions)
+--- 57856464
+>>57843607
+Actually good first post with insight.
+--- 57856561
+>>57856457
+Holy fuck, did you even read the post? It's about adapting handgun shooting to that paradigm.
+--- 57856723
+>>57856561
+Never expect basic literacy skills on the internet, you'll only get disappointed and frustrated
+--- 57856923
+>>57844444
+>very decent Olympic shooter
+They don't use anything above .22LR past 50 yards. If you're firing "at a distance" they're probably not hitting shit, especially if they don't have the cope-jacket and pseudo-sling set-up on hand. Olympic shooters (outside of biathlon guys, they're based) are dogshit in every situation that isn't 100% tailored to ISSF regs. But hey, if you have proof of ISSF shooters consistently hitting several hundred meter shots with a conventional ""sniping"" round, by all means post it.
+--- 57857599
+>>57843644
+Olympic shooters are basically minmaxing their way to victory in their very specific field, the problem being that their 'field' is shooting small stationary targets at 10 or 25 meters with gucci .22s and all the gear money can buy. Olympic marksmen are great at what they do and the gear helps them, it's just that it's all so niche and incredibly specific that there's very little carry over to any kind of practical application. If you gave them an iron sighted 10/22 and told them to shoot a bottlecap at 25 meters could they do it? Very likely. Could they take out a boar running at 300 meters with a rifle caliber rifle outfitted with a scope? Entirely different ball game to what they're used to, probably not.
+--- 57857635
+>>57848816
+sauce on pic?
+--- 57857645
+>>57857635
+Looks like Grisaia.
+--- 57857806
+There are already many branches of competitive shooting, all of which require discipline to excel at to the point they might as well be martial arts.
+Accuracy and form above all else:
+ - Olympic rifle &amp; pistol
+ - Bullseye (with variations of equipment, range, and stances)
+Speed with acceptable accuracy under simulated stress:
+ - Biathlon
+ - "Brutality" competitions
+ - USPSA / IPSC (freestyle, you are given a stage and you clear it how you want)
+ - IDPA (more like executing a kata, you run the stage exactly as prescribed)
+--- 57857842
+>>57856561
+Not him but no
+--- 57858154
+>>57857806
+Does any of those involve point shooting?
+--- 57858369
+>>57858154
+Practical shooting stages can but often don't.
+--- 57858765
+>>57843625
+>He's ignoring pitch accent
+--- 57859361
+>>57844045
+>Faux paus.
+Everybody point and laugh at the stupid Gaijin, kids.
+--- 57859858
+>>57848816
+I vaguely remember it came up in Nagano or SLC because some of the competitors were stacking bodies in the war and then went back to competition once things settled down.
+--- 57859896
+>>57855855
+Sorry, symbolism is a human thing, a drone wouldn't get it.
+--- 57860038
+>>57857806
+I want zen added, I want it to be to the point where you’re shooting in what’s practically an altered state of consciousness where you’re a point shooting machine
+--- 57860619
+>>57860038
+In all seriousness, shooting without sights would teach you to be absolutely hyper-autistic about your grip and wrist positioning, so even without the zen, it would develop good handgun shooting habits.
+--- 57862820
+>>57856464
+Isn't this book mostly bullshit written by someone who isn't even Japanese?
+--- 57862885
+>>57845777
+>and largely because an old hippie weeb who didn't know any real Japanese wrote a book about it (Zen in the Art of Archery)
+is this like the fucking Ninja thing where the concepts regarding modern ninjas were invented in the 60's/70's by some larper otaku?
+How many times has this happened
+--- 57862892
+>>57862820
+Anon, it's about the experiences of someone who isn't Japanese who took up Kyudo while in Japan.
+--- 57863862
+>>57862885
+There is an authentic Japanese ninja tradition, but it's nothing like the 80s-90s bullshit
+--- 57864361
+>>57843595 (OP)
+this "muh spiritual connection with muh gunz" is such homosexual faggotry. a gun is a tool, a weapon, an ooga booga stick that goes boom, it is not a living thing or a being, it is not a spiritual thing. it is a weapon designed to kill people. you are completely full of fucking shit and obviously a touch starved loser psycho if you think your gun is somehow magical or le deep. get a real connection with another human being and stop worshipping your guns like a nutcase
+--- 57865116
+>>57864361
+--- 57867004
+>>57864361
+>get a real connection with another human being and stop worshipping your guns like a nutcase
+--- 57868159
+>>57848816
+Aren't most of the stories in that book at least partially fabricated? He goes off on a anime monologue about how he knows who the sniper is because he was clearly just shot at with a mauser and there are only like 7 mausers in the country, one of which was sporterized and used by that guy, which is so stupid and unlikely that it wraps around to being funny.
+--- 57870851
+>>57864361
+No
+--- 57870966
+>>57864361
+Respect and honor your gear anon
+--- 57872060
+>>57843607
+This. It's retarded except for the cute girls in cute uniforms.
+>MUH archer's spirit folded over 9000 times
+--- 57872263
+If you want a gun to shoot with the mindset of practicing an art, you won't regret getting a good single action revolver like pic related
+The SAA in particular intuitively points the best, has unmatched ergos, and its cartridge is more than enough to make the most of each shot
+With training, you absolutely will fire the first shot and land it at even 75+ yards
+It is also meant to be wielded with one hand having been designed for cavalry use, the plow handle aids in this regard, and by attuning yourself to it the SAA will elegantly roll with the recoil of each shot
+--- 57872313
+>>57843595 (OP)
+>thread mentioning pistols shot with one hand
+>a method of shooting using no sights
+>just going off instinct
+>not one reply with webm related for TWO DAYS
+--- 57872606
+This exists and it's called gunkata
+Go watch equilibrium and learn the ways of a Tertranomicin Cleric
+--- 57872857
+>>57872606
+Yknow since this system was designed specifically off of analysis of the shot patterns of the mostly untrained savages with AK outside the city, I'm wondering if you could more or less short circuit a cleric's brain by simply breaking the pattern in some strange way, like training your men to drop to the floor and shoot from prone, or aim at the pelvis instead of the head and chest.

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+-----
+--- 57847204
+like a regular kino thread but only post the good guys/winning team
+--- 57847234
+>>57847204 (OP)
+Ngl that looks ugly as fuck. Surely there's a better way to do a flag livery?
+--- 57847576
+>good guys
+>winning team
+--- 57847612
+>>57847204 (OP)
+>only post the good guys/winning team
+--- 57847622
+>>57847204 (OP)
+--- 57847639
+>>57847622
+--- 57847654
+>>57847639
+--- 57847771
+>>57847204 (OP)
+>winning team
+--- 57847800
+>>57847204 (OP)
+It's a shame what amerimutts did to the East India company flag
+--- 57847816
+>>57847800
+It's the Greek flag actually
+--- 57847894
+>>57847816
+Greek fag?
+--- 57848237
+>>57848233
+Isn't that a Tornado and Mirage
+--- 57848332
+>>57848325
+cute crab in thumbnail
+--- 57849102
+I fucking love America
+--- 57849113
+>>57847612
+>in a state of potential collapse(again)
+--- 57849124
+>>57849113
+Technically, everything is in a constant state of potential collapse. That's what potential means
+--- 57849126
+>>57847612
+>>57849113
+>invade country, rule it for 20 years
+>educate all the women
+>refuse to elaborate
+>leave
+--- 57849132
+>>57848362
+Does the military ever give people proper protection when it comes to the shit in air whenever a building collapsed? At least a balaclava would give some protection against the dust or sand.
+--- 57849135
+>>57849102
+quite aesthetic
+--- 57849143
+>>57849126
+Insane how quickly Americans turn into Vatnik tier copers. I’ve said this over and over, as someone who’s lived in both Russia and the US for periods, Americans are just vatniks with more money.
+--- 57849171
+>>57849124
+The taliban and Pakistan are close to a collapse than anybody else. The taliban because the country is still unstable and their population are about to suffer from a famine because of being reliant on western gibs.
+>>57849126
+>educate women
+Having educated people doesn't mean anything when you refuse them into power or any kind of field that they specialize in. America gave the Afghans a foundation, but its up to them on whether or not they want to improve on it.
+--- 57849184
+>>57849143
+12 Americans died during the invasion and takeover of Afghanistan
+139 Americans died during the invasion and takeover of Iraq
+both operations were successful. what happened after that (the occupation and nationbuilding) is generally regarded by Americans as having been a huge waste of time, lives, and money, but regardless of your opinion it is the truth that the US ran the show for two decades with no significant opposition.
+--- 57849200
+>>57849143
+>copers
+In what way? No one is denying that Afghanistan was a failure. It wasn't a failure in terms of military because america was able to invade and occupy successfully. What was a failure was the set up of government and military that will take over without american assistance. It worked in iraq, but didn't work in Afghanistan for obvious reasons.
+--- 57850501
+>>57848237
+No it’s an AAAAAAAAAAAARDVAAAAAAAAARK
+--- 57850757
+>>57849126
+Unironically you are coping, come on anon.
+--- 57851884
+>>57851801
+WHY
+WHY CAN'T I HAVE IT
+SHE'S SO GORGEOUS
+--- 57851957
+>>57849143
+Anon you're just a retard at this point, how can you unironically struggle with reading this hard
+--- 57853712
+>>57849171
+2 more weeks
+--- 57854505
+>>57848237
+VARK VARK VARK VARK VARK
+>>57848338
+>>57851425
+>>57851583
+F-35 can tongue my anus
+--- 57856060
+>>57847419
+why are yuro tanks so disgusting looking?
+--- 57856140
+>>57851801
+>>57851884
+I want her so much
+--- 57856510
+>>57854505
+Watch a 35 fly in person and it might change your mind. It did for mine.
+--- 57856617
+>>57849143
+>make an irrelevant shitpost
+>get called a bumbling retard
+>HURR, YOU'RE COPING LIKE A VATNIK!!!
+lmao, why are you subhumans like this?
+--- 57856850
+>>57856510
+https://litter.catbox.moe/y0ccfu.mp4
+It sure warmed me up. No other plane puts out sound with such intensity, even the F-22. And as with most combat jets the roar is felt, not merely heard.
+--- 57857368
+>>57856510
+I live 30 minutes away from the assembly line.
+I know too much about it to be able to love it.
+--- 57858313
+>>57847204 (OP)
+point_mugu_skies routinely puts out great shots
+--- 57858718
+>>57858313
+nice
+--- 57858980
+>>57858902
+hnng
+--- 57859009
+>>57847204 (OP)
+>only post the good guys/winning team
+Nah, Imma post american ones instead
+--- 57859071
+>>57852776
+Took me years to figure out why I thought the E variant was so much more sexy than the C's, it's all in the conformal tanks!
+--- 57859244
+>>57859071
+never knew this until rn lol
+--- 57860241
+>>57860229
+--- 57860254
+>>57860241
+--- 57860744
+>>57858313
+I saw that plane today at Long Beach Airport.
+--- 57860777
+>>57860241
+--- 57861114
+>>57860777
+trips of f15 enjoyment awwwyeah
+--- 57861196
+>>57848237
+>>57848233
+So, while those are a F4, F111 and F15 respectively, I'm a bit confused by the one on the far right side.
+It looks to me like a Mirage III, with Romanian air force roundels. But AFIK the Romanian AF hasnt used Mirage IIIs.
+So what is it, or which airforce is that?
+--- 57862566
+>>57861196
+Belgium. It’s black, not blue and that should be a Mirage 5.
+--- 57862760
+>>57848233
+>>57861196
+Mirage 5 BR, belgian as >>57862566 said
+--- 57863596
+>>57848233
+F-111 is so perfect.
+--- 57864706
+>>57863596
+i think its my most aesthetic plane no cap
+--- 57864717
+wrong pic >>57864706
+--- 57865222
+>>57862566
+>>57862760
+Beldium. duh. I'm a fucking idiot, I thought ti was blue not black.
+Thanks, that's that puzzle resolved.
+--- 57865707
+>>57847658
+>>57847693
+I still can't get over the fact these were real vehicles that were actually issued to troops
+--- 57865757
+>>57865707
+yeah its a uniquely cool, based, and aesthetic vehicle. a rarity of engineering and art in any field or medium
+--- 57866720
+>>57866277
+This is from the IMAX Red Flag movie, btw.
+Lots of cool aerial cinematography, but kinda shit delivery.
+--- 57866726
+>>57847204 (OP)
+have some growlers,they need appreciation
+microwave the enemy.
+--- 57870148
+>>57847204 (OP)
+>good goys
+--- 57870842
+>there are people RIGHT NOW living in the most powerful empire with the most powerful economy and technology in the history of the world who STILL aren't patriots
+Fuck this political division, as a center-left leaning person
+We should compromise on issues and stop infighting so we can continue to eternally BTFO the rest of the world
+sad many such cases
+--- 57870907
+>>57870842
+Hell yeah brother
+--- 57871195
+>>57847639
+Can anyone identify this guy's boots? They look cozy
+--- 57872925
+>>57870842
+Based

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+-----
+--- 57847993
+Your daily LANCET kill, couple tens of millions of dollars more of your taxes up in flames.
+--- 57848012
+The observer is an Orlan I think, the shitty stabilization symbology is familiar, where's the FPV footage from the lancet?
+--- 57848019
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>>57848000
+Ok
+--- 57848029
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Okay
+--- 57848035
+Ok
+--- 57848046
+>>57848012
+Here is another LANCET kill from today with FPV.
+--- 57848049
+>>57848000
+Sure bruv
+--- 57848053
+ok
+--- 57848058
+>today
+--- 57848061
+Ok
+--- 57848064
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Did you add the flames again pajeet?
+--- 57848077
+>>57848000
+so? lmao Finland and soon Sweden will join NATO
+--- 57848087
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>daily
+LMAO
+>YOU are bankrolling this war
+We can afford it, unlike poor russians that need to cancel their WW2 victory parade
+>a vassal of the US, lol
+Subhumans like you can't understand mutually beneficial relationships, yet they try to peddle BRICS as a real thing
+--- 57848090
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>>57847986 →
+Mhhh....
+--- 57848133
+>>57848095
+Get better material, it didn't work at the start in 2022 and still doesn't
+--- 57848136
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>daily
+I think you meant "weekly"?
+Did you finally stop using the Lancet-#number# format?
+I guess it's good since the last one you posted last week was lancet-55 or something like that.
+--- 57848138
+Reminder to report all pajeet lancet posts. Jannies know he's just a crossboarding troll so the response is normally quick.
+--- 57848148
+>>57848133
+Weird, it seems to look like the Vatnik Bingo 2022 looks like the Vatnik Bingo 2023.
+--- 57848153
+>>57847993 (OP)
+You sure that's a krab? I can't see shit here.
+--- 57848157
+>>57848095
+>mentally ill homosexuals are living rent free in his head
+I somewhat pity you creatures.
+--- 57848169
+>>57848000
+no one asked
+--- 57848208
+Im so demorgalized gaise, better message my senators to give Ukraine ATACMS so they can kill more Russians.
+--- 57848213
+>>57847993 (OP)
+good morning sir
+I know another cheap and efficient technology that might be useful for you
+--- 57848224
+>>57848148
+They haven't changed their script in more than a year. You can go into the archives and look into /k/ threads from the early weeks and it's pretty much the same as today after the first days.
+--- 57848229
+DESIGNATED
+--- 57848234
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Are there any lancet videos that aren't blurry and shitty? Why even bother to post propaganda this bad
+--- 57848235
+>>57847993 (OP)
+There are ~24 million Russian men aged between 18 and 44, if we are willing to spend as much as we spent of the GWOT (which I am) that means we can afford $120,833 per dead Russian.
+We must invest now to build a better tomorrow.
+--- 57848254
+>>57848229
+SHITTING
+--- 57848259
+>>57848138
+see >>57848090
+Looks like he started to make threads from two devices, two Lancet threads made in under a minute (dont get fooled by the posting time if you hover over the link to the other thread, it shows the UTC (???) time), one being blatant and one made with denialbility in mind.
+--- 57848260
+>>57848095
+It is fucking insane what a dumpster fire /k/ is now. A fucking video of a weapon in use
+>noooooo fuck you vatnig street shiting pajeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+>ukie drone nade drop
+>omg so based!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Interesting seeing all the new shit mixed with old shit on the battlefield.
+--- 57848266
+>>57848260
+>>noooooo fuck you vatnig street shiting pajeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+>>ukie drone nade drop
+>>omg so based!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+This, but unironically.
+--- 57848331
+>>57848254
+Lancets?
+--- 57848342
+>designated lancet threads
+You tards were so close
+--- 57848351
+>>57848331
+--- 57848353
+>>57848277
+Armatard sucks donkey dicks.
+--- 57848371
+What happened this time?
+--- 57848381
+>>57848371
+Russians brought T-55's to the front
+--- 57848395
+>>57848277
+This is the garbage I am talking about. You can tongue my anus.
+--- 57848400
+>>57848266
+fucking this 100%.
+between the shilling and the constant scam calls i'm starting to think india should be fucking glassed as well.
+--- 57848405
+If Lancet is so good I wonder why Russia still lost 7 times over more equipment than Ukraine
+--- 57848417
+>>57848000
+I'll gladly bankroll another 10k pieces of heavy equipment to kill your kind
+--- 57848419
+>>57848339
+The jannies are actually based? What a twist!
+--- 57848427
+>>57848395
+>so assblasted he posta a pic
+kek
+--- 57848432
+>>57848260
+>Please do not redeem sirs
+--- 57848436
+>>57848260
+The OP's literal first two opening posts were him talking shit to no one from an obvious RU bias perspective so don't even try to pretend there was any good faith hope for discussion.
+--- 57848443
+>>57848395
+In case you haven't noticed; you are replying to a troll and shill, he does these kind of false flag posts to rile you up so you will attack posters who call him out or Armatard. Or that's what he thinks is going to happen when he does it.
+--- 57848452
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Oh no my tax dollars... said no American who actually pays taxes. Will you vatniks ever understand that as long as Russians are dying we will support the cause?
+--- 57848455
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>US shouldn't arm Ukraine because it costs you tax dollars
+It wouldn't be costing my tax dollars if ruskies hadn't invaded. It wouldn't be costing my tax dollars if they weren't shooting lancets at shit. It wouldn't be costing my tax dollars if ukies didn't need a constant stream on nlaws and tows. If ruskies went home today it would cost zero tax dollars.
+--- 57848469
+>SIR! YOU MUST CARE! SIR! YOUR TAX DOLLARS, SIR!
+Turdie Thirdie
+--- 57848478
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Why do you imagine that's real money? Stop being poor. Killing Russians is a wonderful use of my money in revenge for their helping kill tens of thousands of my milbros in proxy wars.
+I frequently annoy my Congressman to send more aid. I want YOU shillngiggers to die in a ditch or lead lives of shame that you fled the fight for your Rodina. Your mothers and sisters have emigrated to rent their bodies for decades since the Wall came down and it's time to replenish the bars of Asia with your widows.
+--- 57848485
+>>57848427
+Yep before any of you stupid niggers ask for gun/timestamp. I am not armatard or whatever russian boogey that is living rent free in your heads.
+--- 57848496
+>>57848469
+>SIR, DO NOT REDEEM THE 'PREGNANT ANNE FRANK' ARTILLERY SHELL! I SAID DO NOT RED- ACK
+--- 57848504
+>>57848445
+You have such a garbage take on things it is hilarious and sad at the same time.
+--- 57848505
+>>57848095
+They're killing vatniggers who are gayer than Mardi Gras with a raep bonus. Your memes just fuel my amusement.
+Post hand and guns.
+--- 57848507
+>>57848000
+You should thank me.
+--- 57848508
+>>57847993 (OP)
+what the fuck is this footage? Can't fucking see shit. Don't they put DSLRs in their shit?
+--- 57848511
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>Option A
+>120 billion on weapons to stop a horde of murdering, raping asiatic rusniggers
+or
+>Option B
+>120 billion fo' dem programs
+Vote now and dubs doubles the amount!
+--- 57848518
+>>57848511
+fuck niggers
+--- 57848521
+>>57848478
+It's nice to see in this age of political extremism there are still some moderates around.
+--- 57848524
+NOOOO NOT THE HECKIN' TAXDOLLARINOS THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT FOR ISRAEL OR THE BAMBOOZLING BROWNERINOS I AM LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW
+--- 57848525
+>>57848436
+>what is the tactical advantage of
+Nigger every thread about this war starts off this way, I just want to see something get blown up.
+--- 57848526
+>>57847993 (OP)
+If the choice is the government spending my tax dollars on gay nigger tranny pedo propaganda or on cool military shit, then I choose cool military shit.
+--- 57848534
+>>57848486
+Glowie screecher (You) is Armatard's little bitch and since he has nothing he can show for, all he can do is false flag as his enemies trying to get posters to hate his enemies. Imagine being such a faggot. Btw if i'm Glowie Screecher, than i'm confirming that i'm a little bitch and need to be culled.
+--- 57848546
+>>57848000
+This, ladybois and gentlemen is what fetal alchohol syndrome looks like.
+--- 57848554
+>make weapons to kill russian
+>omg why are they using these weapons to kill russian?
+I know Russia and China are the main enemies now but we have to start thinking about bombing India too.
+--- 57848555
+>>57848542
+Says the guy getting his lancet footage from reddit.
+>>57848138
+--- 57848558
+>>57848534
+You are a true faggot. Is armatard in the room with you now? Where did he touch you?
+--- 57848574
+>>57848235
+I'm willing to double if we commit to genociding all Russians.
+--- 57848593
+>>57848554
+We don't need to bomb India, they are just getting uppety because BRICs propaganda has convinced them the the west is failing, the irony is it was until Russia forced us to get our shit together.
+As soon as Indians realize we are still so far ahead we could exterminate them for fun they'll go back to being good little dalit.
+--- 57848618
+>>57848558
+Yes, glowie screecher is a true faggot. Strange how i can say that, but you can't and i'm supposed to be him.
+You wanna know how this idiot got his name? He couldn't comprehend anyone having another opinion, so he made up this fantasy world of how everyone disagreeing with him or saying stuff he doesn't like was actually a goverment shill and how they have overrun /k/. Such a dumb faggot, and salty, rile him up and he'll start seething for days and make his passive aggressive false flag posts during that time.
+--- 57848630
+>>57848561
+>-t. DGSE
+Seethe Frenchie.
+--- 57848632
+>>57848554
+Pajeets are fucking retarded. They've enjoyed 50 years of positive image in the West thanks to Gandhi, hippies, and murderous islamists, and yet they're still butthurt about us instead of taking the opportunity to join us.
+The day the West begins treating them like we do Russia or China, they're going to really understand the privileged pass they have now.
+--- 57848668
+>>57848618
+What the fuck are you even going on about? Holy shit you are off your meds you sad sack of shit. Can we just agree this was a shit lancet video compared to the others, then you tongue my anus and fuck off.
+--- 57848678
+>>57848095
+--- 57848683
+>>57848632
+Being prorussian in India is a sign of being a poor or dumb pleb. To be fair they are also the main and easiest target of russian shill farms.
+t. non Indian knower
+--- 57848729
+>>57848683
+This message needs to be spread far and wide to Indian audiences, that being pro Russian means losing prestige. How can we do this?
+--- 57848743
+>>57848722
+You mean OP’s incoherent offtopic pro Russian spamming?
+--- 57848757
+>>57848668
+What i'm talking about?
+You (glowie screecher) are a salty schizo, you false flag around to cope and can't actually insult glowie screecher, but instead always try to aim it at the person you are replying to instead.
+Btw, did you know what a cuck he is? He's the idiot that made the Armachad picture with the magazines, imagine being such a cuck. Amirite? Actually answer to this, is this some stupid and cucked behavior?
+--- 57848807
+>>57848757
+>you are a cuck
+>please answer my 4chan post
+Not that anon, but you sound mentally unwell.
+--- 57848822
+>>57848757
+You dumb nigger I posted guns because I knew some faggot like you would call me armatard. Fuck off you dumb ape and enjoy the paranoid fantasies in your tiny head.
+--- 57848838
+>>57848000
+Lol why you mad though?
+--- 57848847
+>>57848743
+>proving my point
+--- 57848888
+>>57848822
+I didn't call you Armatard, i was the one who told you the person calling you Armatard is a troll and shill, who does this to get your reaction and train you to attack posters who actually point out Armatard.
+--- 57848903
+>>57848095
+I know you fantasize about fucking trannies but they aren't even that common in the west. Iran is full of then though and South Asia has many.
+--- 57848909
+>>57848757
+>>57848618
+This poster is the Glowie screecher, also. Another example of being a troll and a shill to train people to attack posters who actually call out Glowie screecher.
+--- 57848915
+>>57847993 (OP)
+What did it destroy ?Sorry I can't see shit.
+--- 57848916
+>>57848807
+>>>Y-ou are glowie screecher! You are a faggot!
+>>Well, no. But yes, glowie screecher is faggot and these other things, do you agree?
+>Umm, not answering this quesition
+I win, you lose, and there is nothing that you can do about it, glowie screecher. Well, except for the usual seething and tantrums.
+--- 57848918
+>>57848478
+>revenge for their helping kill tens of thousands of my milbros in proxy wars.
+Now I wouldnt really say that the USA is a blameless victim there. Your buddies were there to fight the other side of that proxy war.
+--- 57848933
+>>57848046
+And I thought the tank one was obviously faked fpv.
+--- 57848964
+>>57848888
+You are right. Anyway I must confess, I am The ArmaTard. Next anon who rolls dubs gets my long/lat for a drone strike.
+--- 57848973
+>>57848521
+The hard rod she needs and deserves.
+--- 57848976
+>>57848916
+>still false flagging
+Sad
+--- 57848981
+>>57848916
+I am glowie screecher, not that him/her/it.
+--- 57848994
+>>57848504
+get fucked you zigger cunthole
+--- 57848995
+>>57848909
+>>57848976
+>still can't say really bad things about glowie screecher
+>continues with this flaseflagging
+Well, if i'm glowie screecher than i'm a registered sex offender. Now you say it.
+--- 57849005
+>>57847993 (OP)
+This is 2 or 3 weeks old, Ramesh.
+--- 57849010
+>>57848888
+>still can’t attack either Armatard or Glowie Screecher
+Armatard and Glowie Screecher need to be permabanned. Now you repeat it.
+--- 57849025
+>>57848000
+Why does the existence of poland make you seethe so much?
+--- 57849027
+>>57848964
+>ArmaTard
+Don't wanna ruin your party, but it's Armata-rd, the russian T-14 Armata was the reason he got the name or to be more precise his stupid obsession with it.
+--- 57849038
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Worth it. I'd rather see more of this than writing off the student debt of some dipshit with a masters in Queer Afro-American studies. It's also better than free healthcare for brainlets.
+--- 57849043
+>>57848511
+Could always be used national deb...
+Hahahahaha
+--- 57849044
+>>57849010
+Armatard and Glowie Screecher need to be permabanned.
+Still waiting for you to acknowledge the stuff in >>57848995, >>57848757 and >>57848618, and before you ask it's all correct.
+--- 57849057
+>>57848678
+Never stop
+--- 57849059
+>>57849038
+>/pol/ tier samefagging
+>in an Armatard thread
+there are less surprises up your sleeve every day
+--- 57849080
+>>57848933
+Average ZOG goy knowledge of optics.
+--- 57849090
+>>57849062
+hello dennis
+--- 57849097
+>>57849062
+>glowie screecher doubling down after his false flag attempts failed and backfired
+That was quicker than usual.
+--- 57849104
+vatniggers will spam the stupidest offtopic shit 10 times in 15 minutes and then cry "it's a NATO conspiracy" when their spam gets cleaned up by tranny-janny
+--- 57849109
+>>57849104
+This
+--- 57849122
+>>57849110
+Yeah Dennis is cringe.
+--- 57849140
+>>57849110
+>>57849111
+It's funny, when you are a shill who posts from two devices and you press post at the same time on both you can get consecutive post numbers.
+--- 57849148
+>>57849144
+lol ok Rajeesh
+--- 57849151
+>>57849144
+Sure dennis.
+--- 57849152
+>>57849111
+Jesus, what's in vodka and pot these days?
+--- 57849153
+>>57849140
+based retard
+--- 57849158
+>>57849104
+It is a lancet video, and no one has talked about the stupid thing. Because the ukie fanatics won't shut the fuck up. A million ukie drone nade vids
+>fucking based omg kill russians!!!!!
+>heckin based moderate!!!!!!!!!!!
+>one shitty video of a lancet
+>omg you fucking shill why post this
+You can't have a fucking discussion.
+--- 57849159
+>>57849111
+But i thought Armatard was fake and you just made Armatard posts for fun 5-6 days a week for years, and 90% of all times when someone was called Armatard it was you?
+--- 57849174
+>>57849158
+yeah
+--- 57849186
+>>57849144
+Glowie screecher, you really need to go to a psychiatrist, doubling down on a nigerian coconut carving forum isn't an adequate alternative for your severe developing mental illness.
+--- 57849191
+>>57849158
+You can't see shit in the video what do you want to hear?
+--- 57849197
+>>57849164
+That was really cute Pramit, we bullied you so much you are trying to copy us.
+--- 57849213
+>>57849158
+It's because /k/ hates russia and russians. Always has. Any sensible person does.
+--- 57849220
+>>57849196
+Only funny thing to watch is how often you try different and contradicting shit and hope something will stick, glowie screecher.
+--- 57849239
+>>57849220
+Now there are two glowie screechers in the thread? Maybe someone could put two or three Ukraine shills together and actually achieve a triple digit IQ.
+--- 57849244
+>>57849158
+OP literally is a cum /chug/ging indian who takes the videos from Reddit and only comes here to start shit. And he's been doing it for months and months, but god forbid anyone would remember that.
+--- 57849247
+>>57849210
+i wonder
+--- 57849249
+>>57849220
+kys room temp IQ slav
+--- 57849262
+>>57849239
+Who said there are two?
+--- 57849268
+>>57849158
+>It is a lancet video, and no one has talked about the stupid thing
+It's pretty funny to see you seething yet missing why anons here mock you and your videos, pajeet.
+Maybe if you tried to post those with a more neutral tone and as a matter of fact it would work, but you can't stop seething and writing like a fucking cumchugger retard.
+It's not really because you post russian "wins", it's because you're insufferable.
+--- 57849279
+>Russian video
+>Its pure dogshit
+Fucking kek
+--- 57849281
+>>57849262
+I did
+t. other anon
+--- 57849288
+>>57849062
+The projections from the idiot who brought us funny stories like:
+>it's CIA
+>it's Earnest Voice
+>it's the state deparment
+>it's Langley
+>it's bots
+>it's MI-6
+>it's Shareblue
+>it's an indian call center
+>it's a nigerian sweat shop
+>it's Israel
+>it's jannies
+>it's bots run rampant across the internet
+>it's polish and ukrainian workers shitposting after they got off work
+>It's DOD shills
+>it's the shill
+>it's a polish descent in the US eastern time zone
+>it's estonian shills
+>it's ukranian shills
+>it's people making up a new boogie man cartoon character
+>it's oinker
+--- 57849295
+>>57848064
+Holy fuck that's good. You can see the first bit a smoke disappear. Can't trust shit
+--- 57849313
+>>57849281
+And what makes you say it?
+--- 57849316
+So for the last several months I have fet like I didn't care about the war and was annoyed by constant shilling. But honestly I think I am enjoying the idea of NATO crushing the Russian retards. I watched Red Dawn the other night and figure since I'm a NATO country citizen fuck it. Eat shit russia
+--- 57849337
+>>57849316
+Russia turns out to be so shit that they make people root for NATO. What a time to be alive
+--- 57849356
+>>57849062
+>Ukraine glowies are so powerful they went back in time to like 2014 to create the Armatard persona
+I kneel
+--- 57849380
+>>57849360
+Paranoia is no way to live
+--- 57849381
+>>57849360
+>Very organic. Upvoted, even.
+--- 57849397
+>>57848000
+I paid $95,000 (yes, 95k) in taxes last year. I relish the thought of that money going to kill more Russians.
+--- 57849401
+>>57849316
+And there is no one else to blame for that but themselves, if they didn't had shilled their shitty stuff so much, if they didn't had been such pretenious assholes, if they didn't had called everyone weak and cucked all the time, if they actually had as much balls as fucking iranian woman and actually revolted against their tyranical goverment,... all this would not have happened.
+--- 57849412
+>>57849337
+For months I quit even coming on this board because it was just NATO shills and russian shills fighting. But having recently gotten on a Cold War kick, I'm feelin real fuckin NATO
+--- 57849445
+>>57849401
+I don't really care about all that, I just enjoy being part of the winning team and have been on an M81 and M16a1 kick lately. Plus I'm already paying for the war with my taxes so might as well make some popcorn and roll with it. The more things change the more they stay the same. 40 years ago we were in a Cold War with Russia. And now we are again, except this time the USSR is gone and its just them being morons. Kinda kino in a way.
+--- 57849466
+>>57849445
+>M81
+I may be wrong, but i think some of the Bradleys that went to Ukraine had or got that camo. Pure kino about to happen.
+--- 57849487
+>>57849288
+--- 57849507
+>>57849487
+--- 57849518
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>>57848000
+>tens of millions of dollars
+Every single day the United States of America pays 1.3 billion dollars to service the interest on federal debt. That means every hour 54 million dollars is paid to service interest alone on the federal debt. Every minute nearly a million dollars goes to servicing the INTEREST and only the INTEREST on the federal debt. Now eat the fucking McDonalds franchise burger and be crushed by the imperial economic might of America with the rest of the "global south" third world shitskin,
+--- 57849548
+>>57849518
+And while Russia is currently trying to field T-55 to have tanks in service, the US is casually having a T-90A laying around on some parking lot in Lousiana. >>57831001 →
+--- 57849578
+>>57849556
+>/k/eddit
+Way to out yourself as a spammer and a tourist
+--- 57849582
+>>57849556
+>/k/eddit
+post discarded
+--- 57849603
+>>57849518
+Unless we lose the petro $ status. Hard to project any power when a loaf of bread is $20. I am more worried about that then a war.
+--- 57849618
+>>57849578
+>>57849582
+I already posted guns tongue my anus
+--- 57849621
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Too bad I guess.
+Looks like we need to send the Ukies more shit.
+--- 57849633
+>>57849556
+>terminally online orange county contrarian ancap retard
+At least pajeets have excuses to be retarded and shill for their country, you're just a defective subhuman and a traitor
+--- 57849640
+>>57849603
+>implying a strong Russia and China will not actually make this happen far more likely than supporting the collapse of tyranic Russia
+--- 57849644
+>>57849582
+you have to go back
+--- 57849655
+>>57849618
+>posted guns
+Any retard can own guns. If you think that gives you a pass here, you out yourself as a tourist that doesn't really know this board.
+--- 57849658
+>>57849645
+>now
+--- 57849672
+>57849645
+>reeee mods and jannies are not doing their job
+>reeee mods and jannies are doing their job
+>le /k/eddit meme
+weak bait
+--- 57849774
+>>57849633
+You are dumb bro, even a bot could recognize satire.
+--- 57849797
+>>57849655
+Just give it a lick bro, it won't be as salty as you.
+Drones seem to be really good at cleaning up leftovers from artillery barrages. The lancet and switchblades seem to have a good record taking out vehicles.
+--- 57849804
+>>57849774
+>I was only pretending to be retarded
+Vatniks are the ones actually dumb on this board
+--- 57849828
+>>57849804
+You are really low iq, i will keep responding to repeat this to you. You really need to understand how retarded you are since you family won't. You can report me I don't care.
+What do you think of the lancet video? I thought it was low quality shit compared to the others.
+--- 57849850
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>fundamentally misunderstands Americans’ hatred of Russian fuckery
+I would gladly pay higher tax if it meant even the possibility of Moscow getting shelled, you lot are a scourge on the planet
+--- 57849893
+>>57849850
+>I would gladly pay higher tax if it meant even the possibility of Moscow getting shelled
+This war is literally the first unquestionably worthwhile use of my taxes in decades.
+--- 57849908
+>>57849893
+--- 57849933
+>>57849908
+kek based altruistic burger
+--- 57850705
+>>57847993 (OP)
+The Russians managed to knock out an XM-1244 Indistinct Blur, Ameribros. It's unironically over for us.
+--- 57850854
+>>57848419
+more annoying than based.
+I prefer idiots be seen and laughed at properly.
+obviously thread spamming is a different issue, but this is more... I dunno, feels too faggoty like its gonna stick around and be used more often on completely different stuff.
+We have had a few jackasses trying to pull some manipulation on here already to try and say no one can criticize the american government now because "= vatnik"
+It doesn't go anywhere but it stinks of glowie bullshit the same way the vatniks and poo shills do, and they probably hope to target the tourists with it.
+--- 57850937
+>>>57849062
+no one who has been here longer than a few years is gonna believe that bullshit.
+you opened up with a character that predated the Russian reenactment of the 3rd Reich.
+--- 57850942
+>>57850854
+Nah, moderation doing something is long overdue, idiots have become too confident with their constant ban evading and remaking the same bullshit threads like it's their job. If you want to blame someone for the situation than get angry at these idiots, because they are the ones trying to disguise themselves as neutrals and making it worse for everyone in the process, because they simply have no shame or morals, and couldn't care less if they cause any harm or who they drag into this bullshit.
+--- 57850945
+>>57848395
+>stealth mode XD
+--- 57851027
+>>57850942
+this isn't about the threads though.
+you brought up and centered around your argument around shit that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
+I SPECIFICALLY said that thread spamming was a separate issue.
+Go suck a jannie cock. You seem to be running low on semen.
+--- 57851039
+>>57851027
+Maybe read the whole post.
+--- 57851080
+>>57850854
+>>57851027
+that are some odd and overly nagging posts, almost makes it look like some of your own posts got deleted in this thread
+--- 57851216
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>cut up video where you cant make anything out
+this has got to be a russian video again
+--- 57851246
+>>57851162
+just so you know, it generally a bad idea to schizo ramble conspiracy theories in a thread with so many justifiable deleted posts
+>>57851216
+it's like a trademark
+--- 57851617
+>>57851246
+Not really.
+Fuck off if all you can say is bullshit and vague allusions to threats of silence.
+that shithole /pol/ was deliberately targeted for culture wars and manipulation long before the russians got their hooks in as deep as they did.
+But now board manipulation is crazy conspiracy shit?
+Don't make me laugh.
+We have china, russia, and america trying to pull their crap whenever something happens on here.
+The very jannie crackdown on vatnik attempts to do this is being openly applauded by people in the thread, and suddenly its crazy talk to think anyone other than them would be doing anything?
+but I do agree with you on >>57851216, that is pretty much their trademark for war footage at this point.
+--- 57851680
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Remember how in Vietnam the press constantly gave CENTCOM shit for bragging about the kill ratio? Imagine being russian and bragging about a 0.33 ratio.
+--- 57851984
+>>57851680
+>in Vietnam the press constantly gave CENTCOM
+>CENTCOM
+You make the most krokodil-addled gopniks look like Leonardo da Vinci.
+--- 57852656
+>>57851856
+Imagine going on /k/, a board where a fuckton of people including the moderation had to deal with armatards untreated schizophrenia for almost a whole decade, and then act like you are smart by saying he's not real and never was real. The fucker got fucking soft doxxed merely a year ago and all the autistic shit he did here he also had done in other places on the internet he had visited. How darn new or delusional are you actually?
+--- 57852915
+>>57852770
+>bump from page 7
+Predictable, very predicable as always.
+>Stop trying to do damage control dumbass.
+Nice projections, more on that later.
+>>57852770
+>Of course Armatard was real at one point.
+And when was this actually, my intentionally vague being friend? Actually answer it so everyone can see what a turbo liar andd shill you are.
+>The low IQ faggots running the “every pro Russian post is Armatard Dennis etc” psyop are not creative enough to make it up, only to spam it at everyone.
+Nice shill campaign you got yourself there, shill. After your false flagging failed, after your "armatard is a psyops" bullshit failed, you are now trying to play the victim? And you have the audacity to do it all in a singular thread, probably on your third ban evasion on top of everything. Talking about damage control, glowie screecher.
+If you actually had something worth saying you wouldn't change it so often.
+--- 57852969
+>>57852770
+from
+>ARMATARD WAS A UKROPS PSYOP
+to
+>uhhhhh well uh. yeah armatard was real
+>BUT UH NOW HES FAKE! EVERYONE IS FAKE
+--- 57853160
+>>57851856
+>>57852770
+Armatard sucks donkey dicks. :^)
+--- 57853774
+>>57852770
+Btw, you already forgot how the whole mess started in this thread? You got mad at how the thread was developing and then you decided to start to falseflag by calling people Armatard for no good reason to lure them on your side. You did that, not some imaginary psyops, it was just you, no one else did it. You got called out for it, which angered you even more and made you shill even harder like the dumb fool you are.
+So take your
+>“every pro Russian post is Armatard Dennis etc” psyop
+fantasy and shove it so far up your own ass until you start chocking on it.
+Again, you started this mess in this thread, no one was talking about Armatard, you were the one starting with it and you did it in bad faith, now you are angry because there are negative consequences and reactions to your actions. Do you even get the irony of your own actions?
+--- 57853857
+>>57847993 (OP)
+The US spends tens of millions of dollar in mere food waste from the carriers. Try typing a larger amount.
+--- 57854216
+>>57848574
+I, too, hold a moderate position.
+--- 57854226
+>>57848729
+We should shift messaging from “You’re Brown” to “You’re Poor” starting here in /k/ and see how it works.
+--- 57854726
+>>57853774
+>mad at how the thread was developing
+nta, but wasn't that the idiot who got his shit canned by a faggot jannie throwing a perfect imitation of armatards old bitch fits?
+screaming about cope this, cope that?
+>act like armatard
+>use armatard tactics
+>get called on it
+>panik.jpg
+>claim armatard is made up psyops
+>get called on that
+>panik2.0.jpg
+>whine that its some anon's fault for noticing you matching armatards style
+>suddenly claim imaginary psyops is no longer something you claimed
+>suddenly insinuate that someone else brought up the armatard psyops
+Very convincing.
+I am fully convinced you are retarded.
+--- 57854999
+A lot of coping going on lately.
+--- 57856210
+>>57854226
+we have mocked people for both of those things for decades.
+--- 57856326
+>>57848729
+Say supporting Russia makes them lose their caste and become untouchables.
+--- 57856450
+>>57851162
+>when it isn't even shilling, vatnik retardation, or offtopic?
+Sounds like you're shilling to me and you got caught, and you're currently coping, seething, dilating, and generally crying spam all over the board about how the big bad baddie jannie's read your post history, realise they banned you before for shilling, and keep banning your proxies.
+They do it for free, and as long as you (you specifically) are getting banned I don't even care. Stop making these threads faggot this is like the 50th time this year alone.
+--- 57859020
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>tens of millions
+Krab (or whatever pixellated blob that is in your shitty vid) is not a fighter jet, retard.
+--- 57859077
+>>57849603
+So never in our lifetimes then, given the USD as global reserve currency is the foundation of the entire global economy and that every country on Earth that isn't already a North Korea levels shithole would face ruinous economic collapse if it was to try and change that. See Russia right now.
+--- 57859143
+>>57858973
+Nice, very organic 6 hour bump, shill. On what page was the the thread? 9 o 10?
+--- 57860235
+i like this one
+--- 57860386
+>>57859020
+Numbers seem to be a hard thing for you, but maybe use google before being this retarded in public.
+--- 57860428
+>>57860235
+poor trees
+--- 57860788
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Those billions of dollars we are spending, they are killing Russians. Tens of thousands of Russians. And prolonging a war that is toxic to the very existence of Russia itself, killing the Muscovite empire of filth, sodomy and crime.
+I don't care how many hundreds of thousands of Russian lives it takes before the Muscovite racket collapses upon itself. I don't care how many Russians will die as their criminal empire is shattered, its vassals murder their way to independence and freedom, and the vultures circling overhead take every bit they can from the pigs of Moscow and St. Petersburg.
+I will applaud as each and every alcoholic thief in Putin's junta turns his guns and thugs on the rest and the blood begins to flow.
+It is all money well spent.
+--- 57860812
+>>57848213
+You stupid fool? What good is this thing? How can you pave a sidewalk or street with such a weird shaped object? Ridiculous.
+--- 57860821
+>>57860788
+>they are killing Russians
+They're mostly killing Ukrainians, just the rebel, 4gvnj
+--- 57860880
+>>57860821
+ESL friend, you seem to have strayed from /CHUG/. I've got some bad news for you about the ratios...
+--- 57860911
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Damn. We should send another one to replace this one.
+--- 57861186
+>>57856450
+sorry charlie.
+aint done none of that.
+jannies don't give a fuck about me unless its a new one freaking out over gamer words being used on /k/, and I don't write books about it like that one infamous anon.
+though it looks like I triggered one after you cried to them, and even then they just went after that one post. "wah!!! off topic!!!!"
+like they gave a fuck before. but then jannies have always LOATHED people daring to talk about the state of a board too much, which is telling about the past and potential future.
+Cope all you want, but it won't change the fact that this board can be shifted just like any other one, even if the tactics would have to be different because we aren't a shithole like /pol/
+--- 57861233
+>>57856450
+actually, to give an example,
+https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/57854843/
+>>57857283 got censored just for complaining that people were making off-topic threads, one of those guys salty people keep talking about the war and not guns enough.
+--- 57861287
+>>57861233
+Complaining about the moderation is a bannable offense; you are not obligated to be here.
+--- 57861363
+>>57861287
+>no defense, can only whine for jannie
+a better argument for my case could not have been made
+good job, anon.
+--- 57861417
+>>57847993 (OP)
+Not one dime of tax revenue directly pays into anything but the interest payments on debt secured by the meat of the citizens themselves, Ivan/Chang.
+--- 57861469
+>>57861363
+>GR 8: Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc) on the imageboards may result in post deletion and a ban.
+You willingly come into a tyrannical hellhole, and complain of tyranny.
+Alternatively, banning of a user usually also comes with deleting ALL of his posts currently on the catalog, so perhaps you should begin by confirming that he got banned for that post instead of it being caught in the crossfire when he did something else.
+--- 57861496
+>>57847993 (OP)
+>Daily lancet bread
+>Doesn't actually provides daily footages
+What did anon mean by this?
+--- 57861516
+>>57861469
+what tyranny lmao
+you are constructing fantasies in your mind.
+shifting the board and acting up out of being new and incompetent is a different matter lol.
+board culture and rule enforcement has always been different from stated rules,
+which is why we continue to have gun control threads and why war threads about current wars always get to to stay up.
+Fucks like you have whined for decades about this and it never changes.
+The rules aren't the rules.
+The actual rules are the "norms" of what is enforced.
+Lurk moar or finally learn this, be you newfag or one of those eternal autists.
+--- 57861568
+>>57861469
+>whines someone is complaining about moderation
+>also whines that the website is a tyrannical hellhole
+I also just have to stare in awe at how you decided to bitch MORE in one sentence than I did across multiple posts.... and you think THAT is fine lmao
+Don't worry, unlike you I have skin thick enough to not cry about you egregious rule breaking to upper management.
+--- 57861827
+>>57861811
+nta, but why are you trying to sound retarded?
+do you not know about the alcoholic "successor" to armatard or something?
+--- 57861922
+>>57861856
+anon.
+for all intents and purposes, those people, potentially yourself included, ARE armatard, dennis, the glowie screecher, etc.
+reality on this place is based more on perspective since we are all "anonymous."
+There is an anon, that confessed a while back to "imitating" armatard by going on every fucking week and doing his best to perfectly imitate his style, his shilling, his posts, everything.
+That dude had effectively BECOME armatard, and it mattered not to the masses on here which was which.
+People like that effectively become archetypes and its a joke to make fun of them by calling them such, whether its true or not.
+The more you ACT like the titles they give you, the more TRUE them calling you that is, as far as everyone else is concerned.
+Meanwhile russia has been so obnoxious and retarded BEFORE this until now that, now that they kicked up the shilling, upper management WILL step in.
+And no one actually likes russia aside from the poos and serbs.
+The ones who get mostly called retards are YOU. Everyone who has 4chanX will continue to laugh and call you idiots retarded long after your stuff gets removed.
+Hell I could argue that the jannies are doing you idiots a FAVOR by preventing the unwashed masses from seeing what retardation was being replied to.
+Keep fucking dreaming, armatard, or whomever you are.
+Maybe we will finally update our bingo cards.
+--- 57862086
+>>57862066
+see? perfect example
+this isn't a meme
+this is someone taking pity on a retard and pulling back the veil of irony and fuckery to give a perspective on the workings of this place.
+act like a retarded vatnik all you want.
+be it for (you)s or to shill.
+that inorganic defensive response is a better meme than anything I could pull from a folder.
+--- 57862711
+>>57862066
+This lol, I can’t tell if some pathetic schizo is actually writing these by hand, or if they have a GPT AI copilot type software for their shill center, so they just click a few suggestions to assemble the wall of text
+>inb4 the loser claims we are the same person
+--- 57862750
+>>57862711
+they probably will
+--- 57862858
+>>57862066
+>>57862711
+Nice samefag, bro. The preemptive damage control only made it better.
+--- 57862879
+>>57862858
+well they certainly are matching the playbook.
+--- 57863248
+>>57861811
+>You went from claiming the posts calling Armatard were “false flags” to claiming that OP is Armatard bumping the thread from page 7.
+Why do you always have to lie so fucking much, glowie screecher? Seriously, what is your defect? You can't even make it into the first sentence of your post without telling bullshit?
+And that isn't even all, there is the constant samefagging, falseflagging, flipping between demanding a discussion and then making short insulting butthurt replies, because the answers you got yet again dismantled your bullshit claims from before, how you constantly try to change what happened, how you try to obfuscate topics,...
+>>57862879
+He does it quite often, he only pretends he wants to discuss something, ultimately he is the pathetic shill he likes to call others, if it starts going bad for him, he metaphorically flips the table in anger on the discussion and shits out posts like he did above. In the end he's just an unpaid shill with the ironic believe he's fighting a government psyops on his own and that legitimates and justifies everything he does, no matter how immoral or vile.
+--- 57864537
+>>57864522
+(You)
+--- 57864820
+>>57864522
+Again you forgot how this started, """other""" anon? It started with a shill (You) named glowie screecher pretending to be an obnoxious anti-armatard so he can rally up support for his cause and so he can get his revenge on those who had called him Armatard in the past.
+Always remember: You are in this situation because of your own disingenuous actions, there is no one else to blame for it but yourself.
+--- 57865257
+>>57864820
+its interesting how they >>57864522
+dont get what was spoken of here >>57861922
+they seem to struggle with english as well.
+The more they scream the more they become what they deny being.
+certainly a high amount of autism.
+they use words and phrases that they clearly heard and are imitating, but they lack understanding and so it sounds off.
+but I doubt they truly wish to succeed in their constantly failing attempts at manipulation.
+they just want the attention, more likely.
+like the dogfucking namefag.
+>>57864522
+so make sure to thank us for giving you what you obviously want, glowie screecher or armatard or whatever you want to be known as.
+--- 57865760
+>>57860788
+I agree with every single word you wrote, greetings from Poland
+--- 57865799
+>>57865257
+tHEy sure seem to have a lot of deleted posts and this uncanny ability to appear after another, pick up right where the otHEr stopped, be very agitated to finally get any sort of a win out of a deteriorating situation, have expert knowledge on an obscure and niche topic, while barely ever interacting with each other if at all, and gradually becoming more angry and frantic with every new iteration. This should be one big gay sex bundle of anons deepthroating each other in harmony, but all we actually can see is some dying human centipede where one repeats the same shit of the other before him who died a bit earlier.
+>dont get what was spoken of here >>57861922
+tHEy are too far gone to actually process this. Let me rephrase it; if tHEy were capable of processing something like this, they would not brought themselves into such a situation. Also it's a direct threat to tHEir current gaslight and shill attempts, so it's simply not engaged. Truth was never the goal, tHEy know how full of shit they are and how much tHEy lied, ultimately tHEy have to keep track of it so they don't say too much self-conflicting things, which tHEy failed to manage to do in this thread.
+>but I doubt they truly wish to succeed in their constantly failing attempts at manipulation.
+tHEy surely wouldn't know what to do, if tHEy actually succeded.
+>they just want the attention, more likely.
+No, it's personal, tHEy had multiple mental episodes on /k/ over the whole thing and it's now part of tHEm, ingrained in tHEir brain like a tumor, festering with every further fail or perceived win. Before i forget, please sage your posts, this thread wanted to die a long time ago, who are we to deny it its humble wish?
+--- 57866152
+>>57864522
+Armatard sucks donkey dicks.
+--- 57866764
+>>57865799
+nah. I choose when I want a post to bump.
+--- 57866908
+>>57866795
+महोदय, यह मिस्टर पुतिन के वाउचर को रिडीम करने का समय नहीं है
+Sir, it is noon.
+Not time for redeem.
+Come eat. Remember use right hand.
+यह दोपहर के भोजन का समय है। ध्यान रहे कि बाएं हाथ से खाना नहीं खाना है। तुमने मेरी बहन को यह बताकर विसर्जित कर दिया कि तुम कितनी घिनौनी हो।
+--- 57866969
+>>57848077
+Finland is already in NATO.
+--- 57866976
+>>57848213
+You can't hold your neighbor's hand while taking a shit while using this. This does not spark joy.
+--- 57868104
+>>57860788
+>sodomy
+How can you fags write this with a straight face?
+--- 57868116
+>>57847993 (OP)
+cant see shit, captain
+--- 57868702
+>>57848235
+>There are ~24 million Russian men aged between 18 and 44, if we are willing to spend as much as we spent of the GWOT (which I am) that means we can afford $120,833 per dead Russian.
+just set a $25k bounty per head and let all the russian third world cheerleaders solve the russian problem
+imagine the mall ninja kino we'd get out of this
+--- 57868829
+Anyone who joins the military is a brainwashed fool. Fighting for Israel and the jews is nothing to be proud of.
+--- 57868845
+>>57868702
+$25k a pop? Whole russian armies are gonna spontaneously disappear under Lukas watch right in the middle of Belarus.
+--- 57870904
+>>57868853
+The goy stockholm syndrome is something to behold.
+Absolutely buckbrocken by the ZOG.
+--- 57872046
+>>57866795
+Lol at scrolling through the deleted comments and walls of butthurt text. They/them have reached mentally ill levels of butthurt so extreme that it’s about to spawn a new gender for NATO to celebrate

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+-----
+--- 57848080
+why the hell English longbow men were so devastating? couldn't those French niggas just use bigger shields and/or protection for exposed limbs?
+and if they are killing your horses just dismount.
+--- 57848103
+>>57848080 (OP)
+Longbows were long. They would pierce plate armor and get stuck on a shield, making it useless.
+Those fuckers had to train their whole life to use them, it was kind of a wunderwaffe.
+--- 57848105
+For the same reason an AR-15 is pretty devastating when fired at someone standing 100m away and armed with nothing but a kitchen knife
+--- 57848284
+>>57848103
+just ditch the big, thick shield that is pierced with arrows when you get in melee range and pullout a buckler. also, it's not like arrows were infinite, just literally wait it out under a portable barricade like japs did.
+--- 57848299
+>>57848080 (OP)
+Mud. You try and do the shit you described while sinking into the mud, and you'll figure the French were fucked from the beginning.
+--- 57848301
+>>57848080 (OP)
+When the long bows became common, European armies had already been ditching shields for hundreds of years. The longbows would have met heavy infantry and pikes with no shields leading them to perform extremely well.
+--- 57848303
+>>57848103
+they do not pierce plate armor, where did you even read this factual lie
+--- 57848315
+>>57848299
+just advance slowly instead of tiring yourself out in mud, you get added benefit of enemy running out of arrows.
+i think the french were just retarded like modern russians.
+--- 57848334
+>>57848303
+--- 57848354
+>>57848334
+This is some "let's fire it at armor at perfect angle from 10 meters" stuff.
+Can it penetrate at long range, which it was famous for?
+--- 57848363
+>>57848080 (OP)
+Ummm actually they were Welsh longbows
+--- 57848388
+>>57848354
+That's what the contemporary accounts say
+--- 57848406
+>>57848354
+Anon you do realize what you’re saying is retarded? No one is only going to get shot once while in plate, archers fired in volley leading the front ranks of a charge to be littlered with arrows. That’s like expecting a modern ceramic plate to work like a vidya game and then seething that it’s unrealistic that they got shot more than once
+--- 57848414
+>>57848080 (OP)
+>muh bow
+lmao
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Patay
+--- 57848442
+>>57848080 (OP)
+It’s memes. English longbowmen were essentially professional soldiers with training and equipment that gave them an advantage over peasant levies. The two battles where they btfo’d French knights were the results of well chosen ground. Their arrows wounded horses, distracted men in armor, and when said knights went down and got stuck in the mud the longbowmen charged in and executed them with hand weapons.
+Read a fucking book, nigger
+--- 57848462
+>>57848406
+not him, but it's not like your body armor is the only option, japs had all sorts of things that protected from arrow and even gun fire.
+--- 57848502
+>>57848414
+>we killed 2000 peasents after being slaughtered for 30 years !
+>that means bows suck and has nothing to do with it being sheer luck that the Frog noble who caught them was coming back from a brother with his men (true story look it up)
+Cope
+--- 57848598
+>>57848284
+T. Crassus
+--- 57848623
+>>57848354
+With bodkin heads, yes
+--- 57848687
+>>57848080 (OP)
+bong propaganda
+they won mostly because of smart choosing of terrain and other tactical shit.
+--- 57848696
+>>57848442
+>professional soldiers
+there were large numbers of longbowmen and most of them were just peasants who were forced to shoot on weekends.
+>Whereas the people of our realm, rich and poor alike, were accustomed formerly in their games to practise archery – whence by God's help, it is well known that high honour and profit came to our realm, and no small advantage to ourselves in our warlike enterprises... that every man in the same country, if he be able-bodied, shall, upon holidays, make use, in his games, of bows and arrows... and so learn and practise archery.
+the French were just retarded, battle of Crécy is the clear evidence of that, they couldn't even charge all at once. no wonder the English only lost few hundred men.
+--- 57848697
+Literally just bumrush them with armored knights. Worked for the French when they carried the day in Agincourt.
+--- 57848705
+>>57848080 (OP)
+>>57848502
+You know the french won the Hundred Years War anon?You do right?
+>>57848301
+First of all shields were still used during the period the hundred years war was fought and they later ditched shields because armor became so good that a shield would offer no extra protection.A bit of wood from a shield wouldn't offer better protection than steel.
+>>57848334
+That's not plate armor.That's a cheap peace of prop armor meant for reenactment.
+--- 57848720
+>>57848697
+>Worked for the French when they carried the day in Agincourt.
+ >Agincourt
+--- 57848723
+>>57848705
+>You know the french won the Hundred Years War
+It took them 100 years to win a war?
+--- 57848724
+>>57848623
+Bodkins were meant to pierce mail .They are terrible against real plate.
+--- 57848747
+>>57848723
+It took the english 100 years of fighting only to not win the war and lose all of their continental holdings?
+--- 57848781
+>>57848747
+Wait so it took 100 years for the french to push the English out of the Continent? Wow
+--- 57848797
+If you ever see a french guy with blue eyes he's got a bit of anglish in him
+--- 57848858
+>>57848080 (OP)
+>it's french vs brits arguing about longbows/agincourt again
+you cunts have been doing it for 600 years.
+600 years.
+--- 57848880
+>>57848858
+It's what we're good at
+--- 57848898
+>>57848797
+Ahh yes. I heard the Frankish and normans were all negroes.
+--- 57848989
+>>57848858
+Welcome to Europe.
+It is why we are better than you.
+--- 57849020
+>>57848462
+Bulky, slow, only work on flat ground. Also Japs didn't face longbows.
+Shogun wars were more like a game of Go than real war.
+--- 57849112
+someone dump crecy
+--- 57849115
+>>57848080 (OP)
+Longbows werent that "devastating" they were always used best as part of a larger strategy. They werent massive casualty producers on their own, but they'd disrupt, weaken, and harass extensively before a melee broke out.
+Consider agincourt, the best case scenario for Longbowmen, where they basically got to dump all of their ammo uninterrupted on french knights. Most of the killing still happened in a melee, where the archers charged down at the dismounted, weakened, and separated knights and butchered them in an endless series of many-on-one fights despite being outnumbered (lancaster's square rule is a bitch, force concentration is often more important than numbers).
+Longbows against armor are for weakening and killing small numbers, not for cutting down huge swaths, and that's how they were used.
+>>57848103
+>>57848303
+>>57848334
+>>57848354
+>>57848406
+>>57848623
+>>57848724
+Armor was vastly different thicknesses on different parts of the body. Even ignoring an arrow's chance to pierce the chain mail between plates (as some, but not all suits of plate were quite tightly fit together), a blow against a thinner plate or the edge of a plate, or both, could see an arrow that would shatter against the strongest parts of the armor (what we see tested primarily) penetrate to, if not a lethal degree, one sufficient to cut or bruise.
+--- 57849139
+>>57848284
+Tiring you out as you stand there for ten minutes getting pelted or making you march slower carrying a bunch of extra bullshit is basically most of the job of the Archer, anon.
+--- 57849161
+>>57849115
+>where the archers charged down at the dismounted, weakened, and separated knights and butchered them in an endless series of many-on-one fights despite being outnumbered (lancaster's square rule is a bitch, force concentration is often more important than numbers).
+Not really the english knights did most of the melee fighting and it wasn't one one fighting.
+>>57849112
+>Battle of Formigny
+--- 57849222
+So..…who WERE the French knights? Actual nobles who trained their whole lives for battle? Just the bigger sell-swords who got put into armor and lent a horse?
+--- 57849231
+>>57849112
+https://imgur.com/gallery/XqJod is this enough or do you still want it dumped
+--- 57849237
+>>57849161
+>it wasn't one one fighting.
+That is in fact, exactly what I said, if you look again at the post.
+--- 57849309
+Ah fuck it, anon is right
+Dumpan
+--- 57849336
+>>57848898
+Some Norwegians have really dark hair
+--- 57849369
+"That fought with us upon St. Crispin's Day"
+--- 57849402
+41 parts btw, this is a long comic
+--- 57849485
+>>57848299
+>Mud
+Mud has destroyed so many armies, from the French to the Germans to the Russians.
+--- 57849499
+>>57849485
+It's pretty funny that the popular perspective of why Russia is hard to invade is the cold in winter, and not the fact that Rasputitsa makes moving armies impossible
+--- 57849502
+>>57848363
+This seems to be untrue despite the association. The longbow was first introduced against the Scots by the English and seemed to have terrified them. Just as you get everyone properly armoured up too. Kind of like everyone gets tanks they are finally proud of and then cheap anti-tank missiles come out.
+--- 57849516
+>>57848080 (OP)
+they werent. they were good when utilized properly in conjunction with fortifications against cavalry but most of the time heavy cavalry still destroyed them.
+The english also still had knights of their own.
+--- 57849526
+>>57848080 (OP)
+They became less deadly as plate armor developed but the raw quantity of arrows often meant that the archer's got lucky and found a gap. Even after armor improved the rain of arrows would annoy and provoke the knights, often causing them to charge too early or into bad terrain. See Battle of Crecy.
+--- 57849529
+I don't think anyone understands just how powerful English longbows can become. With a big enough man who can pull it to the maximum power stroke, there were bows that could only be pulled with 200 lbs of force. That's heavier than many modern crossbows and on top of that they had a longer draw length, which allowed even more of that force to be let loose. Pair that with well designed bodkin tipped arrows and you have a recipe for armor penetration and ridiculous momentum at longer ranges.
+--- 57849560
+>>57848284
+i.. .. they had eyes. if the enemy stood in tustedo theyd stop shooting until you exposed
+--- 57849592
+>>57849581
+Here we go lads
+--- 57849596
+>>57849529
+>I don't think anyone understands just how powerful English longbows can become. With a big enough man who can pull it to the maximum power stroke, there were bows that could only be pulled with 200 lbs of force. That's heavier than many modern crossbows and on top of that they had a longer draw length, which allowed even more of that force to be let loose. Pair that with well designed bodkin tipped arrows and you have a recipe for armor penetration and ridiculous momentum at longer ranges.
+If by "modern" bows and crossbows you mean compound bows, I dont think you're understanding the difference in efficiency between a compound and traditional bow. The strongest compounds are as strong, if not stronger, than all historical warbows because of the difference in efficiency. Tod Cutler even used a modern Crossbow to fire a medieval arrow at the same speed it was launched from a medieval longbow of average draw weight, and that wasn't the most powerful crossbow on the market.
+--- 57849623
+>>57849592
+I had honestly forgotten how much talking there. Love it though
+--- 57849627
+Based comic poster
+--- 57849634
+>>57849623
+there is*
+--- 57849668
+>>57848696
+>there were large numbers of longbowmen and most of them were just peasants who were forced to shoot on weekends.
+Not quite. Longbowmen were a step above the commonest peasant. They often comprised the key part of a knight/lords/kings retinue. Making them professional or semi professional soldiers. The English also hired other cultures longbowmen as mercenaries, including from places like France &amp; Scotland.
+Presents who couldn't use a bow would serve as billmen or spearmen.
+--- 57849726
+Fin.
+--- 57849733
+>>57849726
+Good comic. Enjoyed the use of cunt.
+--- 57849748
+Realistically how many French women took the BBC
+--- 57849756
+>>57848080 (OP)
+Watch Tod's videos. Dude has done two fucking series now on this very question. Ultimately here is his findings:
+>Armor quality varied, using armor made out of high end, modern steel invalidates tests just as much as making the suits out of aluminum.
+>Because armor quality varied, you could actually get penetrations, but a blow straight through the front of a plate with period materials was functionally impossible.
+>Armor design also varied. Your chest plate could easily tank the blow, but in exchange it'd fling the arrow straight up and into your throat if you didn't have a gorget, and even if you were wearing mail but not a gorget there was a good chance you would have a bad time.
+>There are weaker areas of armor that could conceivably be punctured, and the likelihood of this went up if the quality of the armor was substandard.
+>There are areas without place protection, and sometimes knights would opt to wear mail without sections of plate over top to make themselves lighter. Arrows would punch through these sections easily.
+>Lucky hits could happen, like an arrow in the eye or the mouth vent.
+>Getting hit by an arrow was an extremely taxing thing. It's like getting punched straight on by a very strong person. Armor stops the penetration but not the transfer of energy. Eventually you will get tired, you will get bruised, you will make mistakes.
+--- 57849770
+>>57849756
+>Getting hit by an arrow was an extremely taxing thing
+Something I had never considered before. Thanks, anon
+--- 57849787
+>>57848080 (OP)
+They weren't. They got routed a bunch of times and the Valois eventually pushed the Plantagenets out of France.
+--- 57849945
+>>57849770
+this. not to mention that most soldiers were not heavily armored knights. most were infantry with mail and gambesons, or mounted seargents.
+ generously, maybe 20% of an average medieval army were heavily armored shock cavalry. looking at an ideal scenario, if you use skirmishers to route their man at arms and levy infantry, and then shoot the horses of the knights, the enemy is left with heavily armored infantry which will get destroyed by your cavalry and infantry even if you couldn't penetrate them with your arrows
+--- 57850048
+Just noticed the imgur link is missing the page where the French run into their stake traps
+--- 57850190
+I'm going to be serious here, I've actually read a fair bit about the Hundred Years War. Also you guys are really fucking retarded for responding to the obvious shitpost that was first post.
+The French just weren't really much good at battles. They usually ended up being very tactically inept. This was due to a number of factors. A lot of the time the French had a qualitative and quantitative advantage that meant they simply couldn't be bothered to take a safer approach and instead hunted for glory. This was compounded by cultural factors. There was as strong tendency for level-headed commanders to be accused of cowardice, which was a social death and led to saner battle plans to be discarded. French commanders were frequently nepotistic, headstrong, arrogant,incompetent, and any other flaw of a cartoon villain noble you care to name, but that was also a flaw of the English so not a deciding factor. However the English did have a "doctrine" that tempered their worse commanders (usually the ones who ignored said doctrine) and handily countered the usual French approach to war, that being of finding and then preparing a strong defensive position and terrain, and waiting for an attack. So that's tactics and generalmanship dealt with, at which the French were remarkably inferior and any quick skimming of the three famous battles (Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt) of the Hundred Years War, or outside of that, Courtrai, Nicopolis, would attest to. Also interesting to note the sheer span of time between these battles, that gives a hint as to how institutional it was.
+(1/4)
+--- 57850196
+>>57850190
+Now, on to the actual weapon systems. In the beginning of the period in question, the horse was lightly armored, the standard for a full man at arms being simply that it was barded, which could range from anywhere from simple cloth or leather to mail. Man at arms were also accompanied by a lot of lesser cavalry which did not have protected horse. Now back to the OP >>57848080 (OP). You could indeed just dismount, and that is what the French did at Poitiers and Crecy. However, your commanders are shitters and decided to attack in a way that means now you have to wade through mud, while your relatively less protected sides are being shot at by arrows. You are tired, your visor is down and making it hard to breathe and see and you are losing formation, getting so close to your comrades that you can't fight properly, and when you finally reach the English dismounted knights, not only are they fresh, they don't have arrows up their arse, they have room to move and they're also experts at foot combat on both the individual and formation level because they've been training and doing this tactic for decades. You get fucking trashed, and the French dismounting to attack into the teeth of arrows and solid blocks of dismounted knights is a recurring them in the wars. Why did they keep doing this? Because they had no counter. There were serious attempt at raising their own bow force, but they weren't respected, used, and integrated into the French army the same way the English did. It wasn't really until the advent of the super heavy knight, with full plate barding for the horse, that there was any real counter to an astute commander with the amount of archers the English could field.
+--- 57850215
+>>57850196
+So how did the French prevail? The war was won mostly on the strategic side. Estimates place England around a third of France's economy. At the start of the war, England was a well-taxed and administrated country by the standards of the time. However, with every victory England won a Pyrrhic victory. English administration with regards to conquered territories were inept, and they were financially a loss for the English crown, the spoils of war going into private hands while the expenses of defense fell on the crown, and often annoying the local native lords. With every win, England lost money. With every win, the French crown wrestled greater powers and taxes from the towns and lords, and the Hundred Years War culminated into France becoming the most centralized and tax-bearing country in Europe. Meanwhile, England struggled, its formerly strong taxation not looking so hot against the new (French) standards of the time and decreasing from changes in the wool and wine industry. Unlike France, it could not neither take advantage of victories or turn losses into a reason to tax heavier, and as it had gained a habit of taking loans to finance the wars, was permanently in debt and unable to wage war except by taking on even more debt and using emergency taxes to pay debts that stretched back decades. Diplomatically, as time passed, the English position got worse as they lost allies. The loss of Spain meant they could no longer count on control of the sea. The loss of Britanny lost them a convenient staging area into France. The loss of Flanders lost them money. On the operational side, the French for the first half of the war pursued a Fabian strategy of avoiding big battles. At this they were very successful, although there was the occasional large battle where they got BTFO when they got mad about it and had to relearn why they stayed out of the way of the English
+--- 57850226
+>>57850215
+So, in the end how essential were the longbowmen? Really fucking vital. They enabled England to punch well above its weight. At Crecy, Poitiers and Agincourt the English were hideously outnumbered and out-qualitied only the benefit of hindsight could possibly give them the lightest chance of winning. The beginning of the war started with a ratio of 1:1 longbowmen:men at arms, and ended with 10:1. The longbowmen got the attention, but it was part of a combined arms system that would not had worked without the English learned habit of dismounting for combat. But the key ingredient wasn't the longbow, which was just the standard war bow of Europe. It was the willingness to field archers in large numbers, integrate them into the tactics and formations the the English army, institutionalize their use and tactics, give them the respect due to them from their battle-winning prowess. All things the French never did, who stopped at the first half step (mandating a certain number of archers per parish). tl;dr archers are OP, Total War got it right (surprisingly).
+--- 57850236
+>>57850215
+>Estimates place England around a third of France's economy
+Based anon remembering that wars are won by money, money, and more money. France was a scary superpower for hundreds of years
+I dread to even think what France would be like today if their population growth hadn't mysteriously cratered in the 19th century
+--- 57850241
+>>57849358
+>Deaths a mugs game
+--- 57850273
+>>57849668
+Also for most of the war it was law that all young Englishmen had to be proficient in the use of the longbow. Lots of skeletons from the period have distorted right shoulders because of all the training and weights on the right arm (drawing arm). Longbows typically have 150lbs of draw (modern ones are 60lbs).
+--- 57850315
+Best thread on k this year probably. Thanks blessed analysis autismo and based comic poster, you guys are cool
+--- 57851247
+>>57850226
+V. cool effort post, have a (you) for your time.
+--- 57851294
+>>57849222
+At Agincourt, it was mainly nobles, which meant they had the training and equipment that the status would allow them to have. However, being nobles, this meant that many would be arrogant little shits and even worse, they were also french.
+--- 57851365
+So…uh, how did the English get their asses handed to them at Orleans?
+--- 57851459
+>>57849726
+Whoever wrote this has no idea about longbows,medieval history or warfare in general.Longbows never became widespread outside of england,they were not adopted by other nations ,nor did they change warfare.The english got destroyed by cannons during the Battle of Castillon which ended the hundred years war. Gunpowder and pikes dominated battlefields for the next few hundred years.Which is why it's called pike and shot and not bow and bill.300 yards is also a ridiculous claim and the effectiv range of a longbow is far shorter.The maximum and the effectiv range of a bow aren't the same at 300 yards even a gambeson could stop a war arrow.
+--- 57851865
+>>57849222
+>>57849222
+Nobility (and men at arms) covers a wide range of soldiers. The "bigger sell-swords who got put into armor and lent a horse?" could describe a noble and a commoner equally. (My speculation) On the French side, who had vast reserves of men and thus could afford to care a lot more about that stuff, your typical man at arms would indeed be a noble. Not necessarily one that would be landed though, there were plenty of itinerant men at arms, dirt poor (well, as poor as you can get while still owning the trappings of a man at arms) and probably indistinguishable in skill and equipment from a rich commoner who by career or interest pursued such things (end speculation). On the English side, being more pragmatic by the necessities of the war and culture, having already accepted longbowmen as instrumental to their victories, the common folk making it into to the ranks of men at arms was far more common. For example, the rather excellent theses "English castle garrisons in the Anglo-Scottish wars of the fourteenth century" by David Cornell reveals an astonishing level of upward mobility, (page 165, e.g. William Wisse), with multiple men (clearly rich and respected) rising up the ranks from crossbowmen to become men at arms and some constables seem to have even did this as a matter of policy (!), and all this was even before the genesis of the longbowmen having a starring role in the English army. The mounted longbowmen of castle garrisons, having replaced hobelars and expected to take the key offensive role that castle garrisons are known and intended for, must had been trained and expected to engage in mounted combat, a far sight from the typical image of archers that rode to then dismounted for battle that usually accompanies the phrase "mounted longbowman". As well, there are multiple accounts of former longbowmen striking it rich and gaining the equipment necessary to be considered men at arms. To be a victorious longbowman at one of the major Englis
+--- 57851926
+>>57851865
+h battles (or even just a routier) seemed to have granted modest-to-slightly-great riches as a matter of course, and we read of many nouveau riche joining the ranks. I have read an account of a commoner (the name escapes me) who graduated into commanding many knights while serving as a man at arms, and apparently couldn't be bothered to get knighted despite how easy it would had been (all that's needed is a willing knight to knight a man), a story that surely survived the ages due to how amusing it was. One question is how skilled and suitable these new men would had been for the rigours of mounted combat. There were indeed complaints about such nouveau riche entering the ranks of men at arms, but they concerned good breeding and manners but oddly enough, nothing about their actual fighting prowess, so I must conclude training was not a problem.
+Incredibly the Holy ROman Empire had the Ministerialis, a class of men almost contradictory to explain - military serfs or unfree "nobles", they can by considered as commoner knights too.
+As an aside, I would heavily recommend the imaginatively named monographs "The Hundred Years War" by Jonathan Sumption which comprises 5 volumes and goes into great detail about the war and contains a great many anecdotes of the nature similar to what I have described above.
+Fuck the word limit, and my god, if I hear anything about nobles who trained all their lives to have huge swinging dicks riding down vast hordes of unwashed peasants like as if we went back time and am reading straight out of a yellow-paged journal from the 1850s I will end you.
+--- 57851986
+>>57850236
+>I dread to even think what France would be like today if their population growth hadn't mysteriously cratered in the 19th century
+Well there would be what, between 150 and 200 millions of french now?
+Fair to think that they would have won WW1 and WW2 in continental Europe on their own, if the wars happened at all. The UK might have even joined forces with Germany instead
+--- 57851997
+>>57850226
+>Total War got it right (surprisingly).
+Which makes me hate playing multiplayer on any tw title. I want to larp with my spear walls not get cut to peaces by a javy throw that retreats while peppering me with arrows if I pursue or retreat
+--- 57852038
+>>57851986
+No, France like much of Europe was hitting a cap that has faced all white countries without fail, whites do not like to be crowded and are naturally schizo and seek to isolate from one another. Even a post ww2 Europe that grew at normal rates as before would have seen a Soviet Union with 400 million people (if parity with their churka parts), A Germany with 200 million and so on. But instead the case with the Czechs and Austrians became the norm, where their populations today arent much different to their 1920 demographics and thats with thirdie replacement
+--- 57852061
+>>57848080 (OP)
+>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating
+They weren't, french knight armors of agincourt often had dozens of impacts without a single penetration.
+Frogs lost in melee.
+--- 57852088
+>>57852038
+Maybe but it looks pretty empty to me.
+--- 57852136
+>>57852088
+Population density in Europe becomes a accurate depictions in prevalence of schizophrenia too lol
+--- 57852174
+>>57852136
+Okay, now do it by per capita.
+--- 57852382
+>>57848858
+This is how the world works, you can divide it in two :
+1- France and UK are endlessly fighting each other and leading the march of progress
+2- The rest of the world, doing fuck all and watching us fight
+--- 57852421
+>>57852382
+You forgot
+>3-Germans spending a thousand years absolutely butchering each other while also leading the charge in new ways to kill a person who speaks a slightly different form of kraut
+And yes Nords are just krauts with extra steps
+--- 57853004
+>>57852421
+I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with bias, no sir.
+--- 57853013
+>>57851459
+The plural of cannon is cannon, you daft cunt.
+--- 57853031
+>>57848080 (OP)
+Either eyewitnesses and participants were completely retarded and based their entire future combat strategy on something that didn't happen, or longbow shafts could indeed penetrate contemporary armour and kill or at least wound mounted French men-at-arms
+Chances are, the arrows were indeed effective
+--- 57853038
+>>57848080 (OP)
+They weren't devastating by themselves but by how many archers there were.
+--- 57853075
+>>57852421
+>sweden, denmark, norway
+--- 57853624
+>>57853013
+No gun
+--- 57854257
+>>57852382
+Based
+>>57852421
+Even more based Germans : helping mankind by eradicating themselves their racial siblings
+--- 57854330
+>>57849115
+>What we tested
+Damn you guys are here? Why don’t you make more informative medieval threads?
+--- 57854461
+>>57848334
+That breastplate is nothing like the 6mm thick center crest one a historic plate drawn out to 1mm overlapping into 2 on the sides. Thats probably 18gauge with virtually no curve.
+--- 57854905
+>>57853031
+There's about a thousand degrees between "effective" and "able to reliably penetrate the thickest part of a knight's armor"
+--- 57854944
+itt. Retards who in 1000 years will be spouting the same nonsense about how US marines were unkillable on the battlefield because their plates could tank three shots of 7.62
+--- 57854946
+>>57848598
+Parthians got buttraped after carrahe
+Crassus was just a big idiot
+Its funny everybody remember carrahe but nobody mention the assraping romans did to the parthians afterwards
+--- 57854963
+>>57854944
+This thread is much more
+>7.62x39 had to be able to go through level IV armor in one shot, otherwise they'd be invincible!!!
+--- 57855026
+>>57848781
+How much time did it take for Brits to take their continental fiefs back? Oh, wait, they still didn't take them back.
+--- 57855426
+>>57852382
+I would posit that the British were the master race, single-handedly creating and leading the the industrial revolution. It just so happened the European countries were along for the ride, being fortuitously able to glean what few achievements they could from sheer physical and cultural proximity.
+--- 57855501
+>>57849365
+Any history buffs know what he is supposed to be chewing in that page?
+--- 57855526
+>>57855501
+Looks like a sprig of parsely to me. Jesus Christ, it's a comic not a thesis.
+--- 57855779
+>>57851459
+seething frog kek
+--- 57855976
+>>57849115
+Eyewitness account doesn't say anything about "arrows penetrating armor". It's only on a bardic song, poem, or something that somehow people quoted (I've seen a military history book quoting that).
+--- 57856005
+>>57853031
+Quote those accounts.
+How could those knights, still in sizable numbers, reach the position of the English longbowmen and dismounted men-at-arms if they were slaughtered by arrows (during the Battle of Agincourt)? Think about it for once.
+Can't believe /k/ is even more retarded than /his/.
+--- 57856297
+>>57853013
+Both is correct bong.Cannons is used in US english.
+--- 57856387
+>>57848080 (OP)
+>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating?
+Because English historiography made sure to only mention their victories, not their defeats. Somehow, when it hadn't rained and the ground was decent, longbowmen tended to get overran by cavalry.
+>couldn't those French niggas just use bigger shields and/or protection for exposed limbs?
+They literally did just that.
+--- 57856396
+>>57849726
+>this is how anglos see themselves
+--- 57856398
+>>57856387
+>when it hadn't rained and the ground was decent, longbowmen tended to get overran by cavalry.
+Just don't give battle when it doesn't suit you. Generalship 101, for free.
+--- 57856412
+>>57856297
+>Both is correct bong.Cannons is used in US english.
+Are you ESL? Your English is atrocious. Your sentence should read:
+Both are correct, bong. Cannons is used in US English.
+--- 57857021
+>>57848442
+English longbow men were peasants.
+Every man in the country on a sunday had to practice with a longbow.
+--- 57857063
+>>57848334
+I'm fairly certain I've seen this video. And they say it's both poorly representative of plate at the time, was a very heavy longbow close to the target, and more importantly, the target didn't have a gambeson underneath like a knight actually would.
+https://youtu.be/DBxdTkddHaE?t=807 [Embed]
+This video just shows it, 160 lbs warbow with bodkins aiming at a target 20 meters away. It did penetrate where it missed the armor (just like how a modern trauma plate wouldn't help if someone manage to hit you around the plate) but the second shot completely bounced off the plate.
+--- 57857102
+>>57849756
+>Getting hit by an arrow was an extremely taxing thing. It's like getting punched straight on by a very strong person. Armor stops the penetration but not the transfer of energy. Eventually you will get tired, you will get bruised, you will make mistakes.
+This is exactly what happened at Agincourt, even by witness accounts. A few of the knights had been penetrated by arrows or hit in the slits of their helmet; so they held their hands up or shields up high to cover them. And since they were marching in extreme mud during horrible rainy weather, between the blows of the arrows and the fatigue from riding (and eventually having to dismount and march up hill) they got tired. Most French knights actually drowned to death face down in a puddle of mud, rather than get killed by a weapon.
+Another thing is the english yeoman with the longbows joined the melee with lead capped mauls after their knights (armed with poleaxes and other polearms) marched out to fight the french (who, being mounted knights only had swords)
+--- 57857103
+>>57848080 (OP)
+It's just a dumb history channel meme
+--- 57857141
+>>57849309
+B A S E D crecy poster
+--- 57857189
+>>57856412
+Holy shit you're retarded.
+--- 57857215
+>>57850048
+good lad
+--- 57857284
+>>57857063
+The video also says that they used far better steel than what was available for both the arrows and plate which is always the biggest issue when it comes to testing how effective equipment was in the past. Even the most primitive mail from Celt or Roman reconstruction are invincible to all forms of thrust when even most mail coats dound up to the early medieval period shows the death wounds usually being from thrusts punching throw cleanly which is impossible to do with our current steel
+--- 57857587
+>>57857284
+The thing is, mail was never made from properly quenched steel. Not even plate was. Then that same low quality iron was exposed to elements, and time, as it went from father to son, and it ended up being very brittle indeed.
+Also, longbows were shit. English lost the 100 years war so hard that they ended up loosing all the territories in France that they held before that war started. Long after the time when longbows were retired, xbows were still used.
+--- 57857604
+I just knew someone was gonna post Crecy as soon as I saw the OP, it was basically my first thought on the subject as well. Good show, chaps.
+--- 57857938
+>>57849336
+This, I submitted my dna to the overlords at ancestry and I'm pretty much Norwegian/swedish and somehow my hair is dark and my skin is Olive. Go figure
+--- 57859087
+>>57854944
+the difference is that 8000 US marines wouldn't be able to take on 25000 soldiers of a well funded European superpower with minimal loses.
+US armed forces are, in general, overrated, only capable of winning over corrupt 3rd world shitholes like Iraq, Russia, China etc. and only thanks to limitless resources, international allies and superior tech. there is no innate talent so to speak.
+--- 57859125
+>>57848354
+Cope
+--- 57859467
+>>57849502
+The english longbow was almost certsinly inspired by the welsh bows at least in part, "In the war against the Welsh, one of the men of arms was struck by an arrow shot at him by a Welshman. It went right through his thigh, high up, where it was protected inside and outside the leg by his iron chausses, and then through the skirt of his leather tunic; next it penetrated that part of the saddle which is called the alva or seat; and finally it lodged in his horse, driving so deep that it killed the animal". This is an excerpt from 1188 well before the longbow became widley used by the english for war.
+--- 57859626
+>>57848080 (OP)
+If youse talking about Henry V killing like all the French nobility in agincourt the archers were so effective because they were a frontline hybrid force positioned behind pike walls on both sides that forced all the cavalry into a choke point where the archers were essentially shooting them point blank and/or running in and pulling them off their horses and stabbing them under the armor.
+--- 57859637
+>>57849560
+no, life is like a video game and nobody here even owns guns or weapons at all
+--- 57859682
+>>57848080 (OP)
+The french are so bad at war, I don't get why they coulisse not use the rafale to provide CAS against english longbowmen positions.
+Sending cavalry with no mechanized infantry and air support is suicidal.
+--- 57859830
+>>57855026
+100 years though... How weak are french men... If that's what you could call them
+100 years living under the English cock
+--- 57859857
+>>57859830
+Sorry more like 400
+--- 57859894
+Wait so France also celebrates it's independence from Britan? The french are up there with heavy hitters like the embembe ukembo walla tribe of Swahili, can't believe how long the french lived under the English the french were literally beneath them for hundreds of years in status and they still are geographically
+--- 57859912
+>>57859087
+>The US isn't overpowered everyone else on the planet just sucks at war
+Lol, correct.
+--- 57859948
+>>57857021
+Nonsense, the ones who went to war in France were professional soldiers. Do you think they fucked off back to England to plough the fields and harvest their grain?
+--- 57859952
+>>57859087
+Holy europcope
+--- 57859960
+>>57859894
+Wtf are you talking about the English lived under the French from 1066-1400s. Henry V was descended from Rollo and William the Bastard Conquerer. English nobility spoke French from William to Henry V, who switched to English on account of being at war with the French.
+And when Henry V invaded France he was pushing his claims to the French crown, and after agincourt a peace deal was made with the king of France that Henry would inherit when he died, but Henry died like the next year and the whole plan went to shit.
+Tldr: technically northern France ruled England for like 500 years, not the other way around.
+--- 57859986
+>>57859960
+Yeah loads of people spoke french a couple of hundred years ago but they grew up
+--- 57860008
+Crazy how the french were ruled by the Norwegians then the English, it's interesting
+--- 57860039
+>>57859986
+>tfw the British were so cucked their term for “global language” is Latin for “French Language”
+>tfw the first European treaty written in English was the Treaty of Versailles after WW1 because it was written by Americans
+>tfw Europe all started learning English 80 years ago in spite of it being the language he British spoke
+--- 57860125
+>>57859912
+my point is that America IS overpowered strategically, unlike English who had less manpower and were three times poorer than French and were constantly getting fucked over by their allies.
+--- 57860142
+>>57860039
+Ok thanks but Mexicans don't have their own language
+--- 57860178
+I mean... french is just pidgin latin when you think about it
+--- 57860245
+>>57860142
+Who cares?
+Someone in Germany that wants to talk to someone in Portugal would have spoken French or pre-French from Roman times to mid-20th century. Then as the British empire was collapsing French inexplicably stopped being the global lingua franca and English did.
+Only reason English is currently the global language in the first world is because of post-war murica. At the height of the British empire they spoke French if they wanted to communicate with anyone else in Europe.
+--- 57860263
+>>57860245
+If you have to type out something this long to get your point across you're quite clearly seething, relax little fella
+--- 57860278
+>>57860263
+Seething and wrong*
+I mean... It's just too many words to be correct
+--- 57860401
+>>57860263
+>>57860278
+I just like talking about it. It’s a fascinating subject that I’ve studied a whole bunch.
+I also like writing as an avoidance thing.
+But here let me ESL it up for Ching Chong:
+You speakie engrish right now = most rikery America’s fault
+--- 57860751
+>>57860142
+Technically they do have different dialects. Mexican Spanish is vastly different from European and even most South American Spanish.
+I can speak European Spanish fine because I learned it in school, and while my workers can mostly understand me there’s a lot of terms and grammatical inconsistencies that I can’t always quite follow what they mean.
+T. Most of my cooks are beaners
+--- 57860887
+>>57850226
+good read. thanks anon.
+--- 57860902
+>>57860008
+In what parallel universe do you live anon?
+--- 57861340
+Crecy is some edgy tryhard shit
+why don't you post a Crossed comic while you're at it you loose toothed bongnigger
+--- 57861359
+>>57861340
+How come the crossed virus turns everyone super British? You ever notice that?
+--- 57861797
+>>57849726
+I will never tire of that. Nice one.
+--- 57861830
+>>57848334
+That dent wouldnt even reach the skin, let alone vital organs and arteries. Penetrating armor doesnt matter per se.
+--- 57861854
+>>57860902
+I’m assuming they think that Normandy = all of France or that Normandy was ever more than like 40% Scandinavian idk lotta people that ain’t shit bout the best parts of herstory
+--- 57861891
+>>57861830
+Oh fuck off.That's the worst false flag I have seen this week.The "armor" in the picture is not real plate armor and no penetration does matter.
+--- 57861898
+>>57861854
+Remember the part where anglo women were lusting after vikings since they kept themselves clean and handsome? What does the nordic % matter if few men can dick a thousand women?
+--- 57861915
+>>57861891
+How is it a false flag? The armor does its job if it slows an arrow to the point where it cant even pierce your rib. In one battle Crusaders were shot full of arrows that stuck in them - that is, penetrated the chain - and the crusaders just plucked them out because lower layers worked.
+--- 57862357
+>>57848080 (OP)
+>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating?
+They weren't.
+>b-but they won one battle I heard about
+Did you know England lost that war? No? yeah that's because "muh Agincourt muh longbow wunderwaffe" is literally English cope.
+--- 57862599
+>>57856396
+The two fingered fuck you is a bong thing for a reason, and it's still a thing now.
+--- 57862624
+>>57851459
+>angry frog writes a seething wall of tears
+News at 11
+--- 57863828
+>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating?
+They were effective, but not to the extent that is often exaggerated.
+They were effective because it was relatively inexpensive, fairly uncomplicated to make and they had a law in place which made it mandatory for large amounts of the population to know how to shoot one. If you field longbows enmasse, you will eventually fuck up whatever you're shooting at due to weight of fire.
+Bigger shields mean more weight and are awkward to carry around. Pavise's are great to have when set up, but lugging them around sucks.
+Too much armor on your limbs then you can't fight for shit as for the above reason.
+Also if you're horse gets killed while you're riding it, odds are you'll get trampled and/or pinned under it. And even if you're wearing armor and that doesn't happen, good chance you'll be concussed and are likely going to be in pretty bad shape afterwards in general.
+--- 57866216
+>>57848747
+>english
+It was a French civil war between the French King and the Duke of Normandy who also happened to rule over the *ngloids
+every *nglo that died in that war, died fighting for a French duke that wanted the crown of France because the english one was shit next to it
+--- 57867073
+>>57849726
+>crossbows losing to longbows by such an absurd degree
+>zero shields present in the army of those who made the pavise famous
+>those without plate not carrying a shield
+>300ish archers killing thousands over an 8 hour period without going through literal bales of arrows
+capeshit tier powerwank, comics are for children
+--- 57867195
+>>57849726
+Always hated this gigantic cope comic
+I'm not even a frog
+--- 57867250
+>>57862599
+Too bad they've been replaced by Pakis now
+--- 57867519
+>>57867195
+>>57867250
+>>57867073
+To the loser goes the seeth
+--- 57867542
+>>57867519
+I'm not the one having my population replaced by muzzies
+In fairness the frogs are doing it as well so both lost
+--- 57867908
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxdTkddHaE [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds-Ev5msyzo&amp;t=11s [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0TfSW0FfiA [Embed]
+--- 57867956
+>>57848103
+>They would pierce plate armor
+nope
+>get stuck on a shield
+so?
+>making it useless.
+how?
+>>57848080 (OP)
+because you don't have the funds or resources or training to deck out your entire army in full plate, and shields only work at long distances (due to the angle) and when you aren't engaged in melee
+--- 57867993
+>>57867195
+>t. Pierre-ahmed ibn drapeu-blanc
+--- 57867995
+>>57867519
+But the french won.
+--- 57868006
+>>57867995
+>the french won at crecy
+--- 57868014
+>>57868006
+The hundred years war,stupid.
+--- 57868087
+>>57868014
+Those anons were on about the crecy comic tho...
+--- 57868184
+>>57859830
+>How weak are French men
+Clearly stronger than the English.
+Don't forget that you were ruled by Romans and then the Danes for like 12 centuries straight lmao
+--- 57868289
+>>57860142
+>Ok thanks but Mexicans don't have their own language
+I have to disagree with this wholeheartedly. You've never heard the "Spanish" spoken by illegal Mexicans and their Indians.
+--- 57868689
+>>57868289
+Google Andalusian Spanish. Nearly all latam Spanish derives from it due to when the Spanish expelled the Muslims they gave the option to the converts to go to the new world instead of a certain life of slavery in Morocco if they were lucky
+--- 57869079
+>>57848334
+This buckbroke the platesissies
+--- 57869169
+>>57848080 (OP)
+>why the hell English longbow men were so devastating
+Victorian era weapons studies, imprecise and filled with britwank.
+--- 57869226
+>>57857021
+>English longbow men were peasants.
+rubbish, they were countryside middle class, having leisure to train with the warbow and resources to purchase their own weapons, equipment, horses and usually hire a servant that would accompany them on campaign.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeoman
+--- 57869240
+>>57848080 (OP)
+the english longbow was basically just a meme blown out of proportion for the sake of propaganda
+--- 57869296
+>>57868184
+>The English
+>The Scottish
+>Ruled by Romans
+Um no sweetie
+--- 57869297
+longbow only worked when sittting on fortified hills or behind mudfields and pike walls and with an enemy that just bum rushed it, its a big meme,
+when french cav could actually charge, longbows would get massacred
+--- 57869302
+>>57867542
+T. Some Balkan paki
+--- 57869610
+Why do people still act like the English longbowmen were any good, or even relevant?
+They had zero actual impact on the history of warfare. Their crude bows were not widely emulated, they didn't have any influence on the development of warfare, and even the victories people keep talking about are totally cherry-picked.
+Unlike the English longbowmen, the Swiss actually lived up to the hype. They were the ones who actually set the tone for warfare for centuries to come, who were copied by literally everyone, who were actually able to defeat knights (notably by being on the offensive themselves, rather than digging in and waiting), who wiped a country off the map, and who's valour was so great that they guard the pope to this day.
+They even had a number of encounters with English longbowmen and won every time.
+--- 57870196
+>>57869610
+Because the english conquered half the planet and did the industrial revolution etc. What tf have the swiss done, toy knives, cuckoo clocks, and them swiss rolls (which are pretty good tbf).
+--- 57870260
+>>57870196
+They didn't use longbows to do it.
+--- 57870398
+>>57869610
+France tried to emulate the English, then got cold feet when they realized they were potentially arming the peasantry. As simple as that. Meanwhile the English YOLO'd and lived with it.
+--- 57870451
+>>57870196
+Yeah, the English really did well after they adopted Swiss-derived pike-and-shot tactics
+--- 57870489
+>>57849115
+>Longbows against armor are for weakening and killing small numbers, not for cutting down huge swaths, and that's how they were used.
+I don't believe you
+--- 57870538
+>>57848858
+Rofl
+--- 57870563
+>>57854905
+yup
+such as "effectively penetrating the thinner bits"
+>>57856005
+>Quote those accounts
+Both French and English participants and eyewitnesses credit longbows, and the English army continued using longbows, and the French army took steps to mitigate their power, so... either literally everyone was retarded and based their strategies around a meme, or it WAS effective.
+>How could those knights, still in sizable numbers, reach the position of the English longbowmen and dismounted men-at-arms if they were slaughtered by arrows
+That's just it; they didn't. Far more French men-at-arms died than can be accounted for by melee combat alone. The alternative explanation is that 1,000 English men-at-arms and 5,000 English archers managed to kill and capture 8,000 French men-at-arms, including most of their top commanders and fighters, in melee combat.
+Juliet Barker's Agincourt is the most definitive discussion of the battle, I feel.
+--- 57870620
+>>57870489
+They were.At Crecy they were killing the horses and at Agincourt they harrased the french knights while they marched through the mud.Most of the killing was still done in melee.
+>>57870563
+Yes you nigger they captured so many that they had to kill prisoners after the battle.
+--- 57870624
+>>57852382
+--- 57870638
+>>57870563
+>. either literally everyone was retarded and based their strategies around a meme, or it WAS effective.
+The english stopped using the longbow in favour of pike and shot tactics.
+--- 57870779
+>English longbowmen
+It's French longbowmen. Anglos still don't understand that after they got conquered by William they cased to exist for 5 centuries.
+--- 57870836
+>>57870620
+We know the killing of the prisoners was haphazard, inefficient, slow, and many survived.
+But even accepting that, you never wondered HOW they managed to capture so many?
+Like, you're submitting that English archers are just THAT OP against fully armoured up French men-at-arms in MELEE?
+Idiot.
+>>57870638
+Amazing
+Did you know they also adopted the FN FAL and called it the L1A1 rifle?
+Pike and shot was probably a meme.
+--- 57871831
+>>57848989
+is that why America is independent and dominates both the french and british?
+--- 57871881
+>>57870196
+--- 57872817
+>>57870563
+>The alternative explanation is that 1,000 English men-at-arms and 5,000 English archers managed to kill and capture 8,000 French men-at-arms, including most of their top commanders and fighters, in melee combat.
+That's not actually unreasonable if they had their formation disrupted. Volleys of arrows that don't produce tremendous casualties can still weaken and disrupt the enemy, especially if there were many volleys. Force concentration is a bitch in battles, and your weakened, incoherent large army can quickly be dominated by a smaller, more concentrated force. It turns the battle into an endless series of "several men ganging up on one man" fights, like how three men can defeat ten if they only fight them one at a time.
+--- 57872900
+>>57848103
+At one point you were legally required to be competent with a longbow, iirc it's one of those laws that are still on the books (UK) but not enforced.
+--- 57872997
+>>57854946
+I remember Crassus ignoring his commanders' advice
+--- 57873073
+>>57872817
+Terrain and unity of command played massive roles at Agincourt, definitely. However, it doesn't make any sense that otherwise-untrained archers could mog men-at-arms that badly. The battle was historic to both sides, the English claimed the longbow was key to their victory, and the French didn't dispute the notion. The longbow continued to be used, and knights' armour plating didn't lessen in protection until the gun came into its own. IMHO, any alternative theory would have carry a very significant burden of proof.
+>>57872900
+Every able-bodied boy above the age of 12 was required to spend 2 hours at arrow practice every Sunday

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+-----
+--- 57851312
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57851370
+>>57851312
+god damn furri-
+oh, a bar. A man of culture i see.
+--- 57852093
+>>57851313
+what happened to the nafo mods?
+--- 57852194
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57852221
+>>57851236 (OP)
+Post the template next time.
+--- 57852224
+>>57851312
+That thing is the only thing I excuse from troons, and only bc of it's tongue
+--- 57852229
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57852297
+>>57852229
+>party van pilled
+Bold choice
+--- 57852486
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57854000
+>>57852229
+Aren't you cute and funny anon.
+--- 57854014
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57854331
+>>57851236 (OP)
+Gay
+--- 57854404
+>>57851236 (OP)
+>>57851312
+>>57852194
+>>57854014
+--- 57854492
+>>57854404
+Makura doesn't count as furry. She'll bear human children.
+--- 57854557
+>>57854014
+best one so far
+--- 57854718
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57855299
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57855628
+Last time it got removed despite my wife being censored :(
+--- 57855648
+Argonian women are fine women
+--- 57855860
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57855977
+>>57854572
+I only have the bare tang version of the 240, are the other one any good or just pleasant looking knifes ?
+--- 57855991
+opachki
+--- 57856002
+>>57852127
+I don't really like folding knife, but god, holy based
+--- 57856180
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57856271
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57856327
+>>57854028
+>>57854572
+Incredibly based
+--- 57856679
+Posting with the newer format.
+1/2
+--- 57856691
+2/2
+--- 57856698
+>>57851314
+Nigger>>57852093
+--- 57856707
+>>57852224
+based all across the board
+--- 57856720
+>>57856679
+>>57856691
+That's a good effort and all, but I feel like part of the novelty is the silly rhyming scheme we have going
+--- 57856728
+>>57855991
+What a shit combination
+--- 57856775
+>>57856720
+I still respect the original's simplicity, but I also like how this one feels more like the loadout threads. Love these threads regardless.
+--- 57856854
+>>57856691
+who's the waifu?
+--- 57856862
+>>57856854
+Pirotess from Record of Lodoss War
+--- 57856867
+>>57851312
+based tongue nigger
+--- 57856953
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57857026
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57857383
+>>57856691
+god-tier taste in music
+--- 57857514
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57857550
+>>57852127
+knife is the only thing i have issue with but even then its a good knife. Ya got taste kiddo
+--- 57859436
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57859463
+>>57851312
+what even is that?
+--- 57859750
+>>57856679
+--- 57859761
+>>57851312
+That bat has a penis
+--- 57859776
+>>57857514
+I’m not familiar with the girl but she looks cute and good taste in rifles.
+--- 57859829
+>>57856679
+>>57856691
+>trying to have two waifus
+Nah, you only get knife ears
+--- 57860408
+>>57859463
+Mitch McConnell
+--- 57860626
+>>57855977
+They are quite good, although I feel they were a better value before the price hike varusteleka did. Understandable since nothing is as cheap as it was.
+They are very heavy duty knives with nice leather sheathes and the handles they use while not particularly fancy are very well designed, comfortable, and durable. I like it much more than my Garberg for instance, I think it's better in literally every way while being cheaper as well.
+But I think the Mora companion/companion HD is probably a better all around value.
+--- 57860816
+>>57852224
+>>57856867
+Does rimming even feel good?
+--- 57860865
+>>57860816
+Yes
+Makes you feel like a grinning ugly bastard
+Or maybe that's just me.
+--- 57861131
+Anybody else in here bean-pilled?
+--- 57861268
+>>57861131
+fuck, thought this was a loadout thread to be honest
+it is what it is
+--- 57861723
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57861772
+>>57854572
+--- 57861834
+>>57855860
+based tatse
+>>57860626
+I've been thinking about picking one of them up, I'm not sure if I wanna go that route or a more traditional puukko.
+--- 57861985
+>>57861834
+My one issue with it is it has a secondary bevel rather than being a 'true' scandi grind. Personally, I'd go for the traditional puukko as long as you haven't fallen for the batoning meme.
+>>57861772
+we even have similar taste in knives
+--- 57861994
+>>57854404
+I too like trains
+--- 57862039
+>>57860816
+Yes, but tongues aren't only good for that
+--- 57862145
+>>57861834
+My dumbass forgor the picture and then took a shower
+>>57861985
+Now to just figure out which maker to buy from
+--- 57862606
+>>57861268
+THIS NIGGA EATIN' BEANS
+kek
+Don't worry about it, it turns out you're the least autistic person here. That's a good thing
+--- 57863809
+>>57854028
+>>57860144
+Sauce on the waifus?
+--- 57863813
+>>57851236 (OP)
+I'm phone posting and don't care what anyone thinks
+Knaifu: My bayonet
+Raifu: C308. Yeah, I'm a poorfag, but it's been a reliable shooter, surprisingly.
+Waifu: Anchovy. She is my true love.
+--- 57863847
+>>57851236 (OP)
+are husbando's allowed
+-sincerely,a gay fag
+--- 57863895
+>>57863847
+Did you not look at OPs image? Males are allowed.
+--- 57863961
+>>57861661
+>New animated movie comes out
+>Love interest has kids with a black fly
+>Diversity is our strength!
+--- 57864139
+>>57863961
+Think about the mental gymnastics the writers jumped though on that one.
+A mouse, giving birth to a bunch of maggots that grow into mouse-fly abominations. All to push a race mixing agenda.
+--- 57864146
+>>57863895
+im retarded
+--- 57864232
+>>57851236 (OP)
+call me basic
+--- 57864271
+>>57855628
+Glad to hear that my reports are working.
+--- 57864278
+Not crapping for you shills.
+>Raifu: Savage 110 Tactical 8/10 rd magazines in 6.5 PRC
+>Knaifu: S&amp;W Extreme Ops
+>Waifu: Brigitte from Overwatch 1 or 2
+--- 57864765
+>>57857669
+based primal man
+--- 57864954
+>>57858024
+Who's the waifu?
+--- 57865006
+>>57859761
+egad
+--- 57865161
+I need to reread Stand Still Stay Silent one of these days
+--- 57865279
+>>57865161
+do you fuck reindeers?
+--- 57865462
+>>57865279
+I can't deny they're kinda hot
+--- 57865782
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57866058
+>>57864954
+Nana, Lala and Momo deviluke from To lore-ru.
+--- 57866111
+>>57865900
+nice waifu
+--- 57866151
+>>57865900
+>POV: You're a white supremacist spending Christmas with his gf
+--- 57866800
+>>57863809
+Second one is Peach, pretty /k/ herself, by Dimtrys.
+--- 57866841
+>>57866800
+>dimitrys
+Damn, I haven’t heard of him in a while. Last I saw his stuff it was going further and further into gross exaggerated territory, why do futafags do that
+--- 57866895
+>>57866151
+I just like how wholesome she is
+--- 57867100
+>>57866841
+All artists that create rule 34 stuff basically draw whatever they're personally into. Some will obsess over a particular character or series, others over some fucked up fetish that they get off to.
+The artists that stick to the more vanilla stuff are likely doing normal professional art design and don't want to get a bad reputation. There are exceptions, of course, mostly with Japanese artists.
+If Dmitry is drawing weirder and sicker stuff then he's probably getting tired of the material that used to get him off.
+--- 57867651
+>>57851236 (OP)
+--- 57867974
+>>57866825
+The only thing that would make this better is the green or black version of the RM277.
+--- 57868179
+>>57851236 (OP)
+Gay waifu based gun
+>>57851312
+Faggot
+>>57852127
+Boring
+>>57852160
+Kinda mid, but like the gun
+>>57852194
+Autistic 14 year old. Touch grass.
+>>57852224
+You're alright. Fantasy fag tho.
+>>57852229
+Pedophile
+>>57852241
+You take yourself too seriously and think you're more interesting than you actually are
+>>57852486
+You're chill
+>>57854014
+You were a teenager in the early 2000s and grew up to be your dad.
+>>57854028
+You're alright
+>>57854572
+Basic, but not overselling yourself. I respect you.
+>>57854718
+Basic waifu, but based as fuck gun and knife choices.
+>>57855299
+You're alright. Slightly above mid.
+>>57855628
+Faggot waifu and dumb sword. Kill yourself. Love me a Galil tho.
+>>57855648
+One of those weird furfags that like lizard bitches and doesn't even have enough taste to enjoy the classic famas. Neck asap.
+>>57855860
+You're alright. Solid choices.
+>>57855921
+You're alright. Solid choices.
+>>57855968
+You think you're tougher than you actually are. You're just slightly above average in strength. The average blue collar redneck could kick your ass.
+>>57855991
+Faggot slavaboo. The SKS is a sexy rifle. Regardless, go kill yourself.
+>>57856180
+Boring
+>>57856271
+Solid. I like you.
+>>57856327
+Basic, but not bad. I can appreciate the A1 and the KA-BAR.
+>>57856331
+You somehow think the French are "based" and your breath stinks.
+>>57856679
+>>57856691
+Needlessly verbose format. Stick to the thread, you fuckin sperglord.
+>>57856720
+Dumb
+>>57856741
+Either really cringe or really based. Not sure which.
+>>57856953
+Boring. Go die
+>>57857026
+You think you're cooler than you actually are. Go kys
+>>57857221
+Kind of a faggot but not really. You're alright... for now...
+>>57857514
+Respect
+>>57857621
+You have to be 18 to post here
+>>57857669
+Another furfag that fucks lizards. Why are you like this?
+>>57858024
+Mommy issues
+>>57858912
+Simple. I like.
+>>57859436
+Ungodly shit taste on the waifu and Boring knife. The Thompson is based tho. I bet you're a Virgin.
+--- 57868210
+>>57859750
+Never served because "if a drill sergeant got in his face he woulda had to punch him"
+>>57859829
+Tranny. Neck pls
+>>57860055
+Good taste
+>>57860144
+Good choices, but I bet you're a sperg.
+>>57860635
+Insanely based
+>>57860734
+Shut up, faggot.
+>>57861131
+Stupid
+>>57861242
+You're alright ig
+>>57861661
+Die, furfag. Based choices for the rifle and knife tho.
+>>57861723
+Based
+>>57861772
+Tranny. Dilate.
+>>57862145
+Boring
+>>57862911
+Someone's papaw
+>>57864232
+Faggot.
+>>57864524
+Insanely mega based
+>>57864628
+Weird
+>>57865161
+Lit. I like it.
+>>57865782
+Wrong format, dipshit.
+>>57865900
+Mega based.
+>>57866825
+Pretty baste
+>>57867651
+Good.
+--- 57868213
+Anyway, here's mine.
+--- 57868325
+>>57868213
+--- 57868332
+>>57868263
+--- 57868351
+>>57855299
+Well rounded combination
+>>57858912
+>887 Nitro Mag
+What a blast from the past
+>>57865161
+Tasteful
+>>57865900
+Based
+--- 57868364
+>>57868332
+After deliberating long hand hard, I have decided to compromise: the cat gets to eat my wife's fish taco on alternating weekends, but I get unlimited ear- and head scritch privileges.
+--- 57869267
+>>57868179
+>>57868210
+And the most noguns post of the bread award goes to...
+--- 57869303
+>Revy
+>Esee 4
+>Ruger SFAR (or any ar10)
+--- 57869327
+>>57868179
+>>57868210
+Thank you for your valuable opinions
+--- 57869797
+>>57868179
+>>57868210
+Based thread reviewer.
+--- 57869811
+>>57868263
+>cat-fucking dyke
+--- 57870468
+>>57869811
+please see
+>>57868364
+--- 57870487
+>>57868364
+Degenerate.
+--- 57870602
+>>57868263
+--- 57870729
+>picking the girls from rwby team as waifus
+Terrible taste.
+>>57865900
+One of the best combos itt.
+--- 57872089
+>>57868332
+--- 57872104
+>>57868179
+>You were a teenager in the early 2000s
+Late 2000s but close enough.
+--- 57872198
+>>57859829
+>more than one waifu will ruin your laifu
+--- 57872199
+It's been a bit and I can't wait to take her to the range soon. ACOG and PARA stock one of these days.
+>>57869390
+RFB? that's neat anon.
+--- 57872298
+>>57868179
+You're nobody and your opinion is worthless, just like you.
+Kill yourself, loser
+--- 57872350
+>>57872298
+which one he called shit is yours
+--- 57872375
+>>57868179
+>>57868210
+Now THIS is autism.
+--- 57873133
+>>57872199
+Yes. Adore that FAL!
+--- 57873263
+>>57851236 (OP)

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+-----
+--- 57851565
+Have any science fiction films or tv shows gotten the military right?
+--- 57851590
+>>57851565 (OP)
+>can't lock onto Minbari ships so earth gets rolled in the war
+That always irked me. You have range, heading, and speed. That's all you need to put rounds on target.
+>earth ships don't use missiles
+Also retarded
+--- 57851609
+>>57851565 (OP)
+the expanse where it's all retarded politics and sitting around hoping that your computer-guided munitions are slightly better than the other guys computer-guided munitions
+--- 57851634
+>>57851590
+This. If a Tesla can drive around on cameras then at some point you can build military tech that can basically say if I can see it, I can shoot it.
+--- 57851639
+>>57851590
+>That's all you need to put rounds on target.
+For dumb rounds and you could tell smart rounds to go to the predicted location but that wont take into account the target changing course
+>Also retarded
+They did use missiles in a few instances but it is limited.
+The Omega destroyer was supposed to feature them prominently, that is what the red circles along its sides are - missile silos. It was supposed to be done in a very dramatic "rolling out the guns" shot with the camera sweeping across as they opened up.
+But this and other design features - the big guns in the front and the fighters launching from the rotating section - were never included in the show for some reason
+--- 57851648
+>>57851609
+>the Expanse
+No, show is retarded as are the factions and how they work
+>Muh Martian marines 80% are STRONG WYMENS!!!!!
+--- 57851651
+>>57851639
+>never included in the show for some reason
+Animation budget, I think. The SFX department on B5 was on a shoestring. The first season was done with Amiga computers.
+--- 57851673
+>>57851651
+I don't think so, they did some amazing stuff in season 3 and 4.
+I think somehow it wasn't conveyed that the model had those elements
+--- 57851676
+>>57851639
+>For dumb rounds and you could tell smart rounds to go to the predicted location but that wont take into account the target changing course
+My nigga, we've had weapons that could course correct for decades. No excuse to not have such ability centuries in the future
+>They did use missiles in a few instances but it is limited.
+Which is even more retarded. They can use missiles at standoff range and saturate a target area. None of the fucking ships in that universe have point defense systems either
+--- 57851693
+>>57851648
+tfw no cute martian GF
+--- 57851709
+>In space no one can hear you scream - unless it is the battle cry of the United States Marine Corp!
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlyNiXPA47M [Embed]
+As much as I liked Space Above and Beyond growing up it has to be the worst offender
+>recruits still in bootcamp sent to mars to check on radio telescope relay
+>marine fighter squadron pilots routinely tasked to fly transports, do ground pounding, intel, etc
+--- 57851719
+Edge of Tomorrow is pretty good
+--- 57851726
+>>57851676
+course correct for what you cant track the ship, you can physically eyeball it and see it through an optical telescope but that is it
+>None of the fucking ships in that universe have point defense systems either
+No we def see B5 had quad rail guns and RAMs for defense
+--- 57851742
+>>57851726
+>>57851676
+--- 57851751
+>>57851742
+>>57851726
+>>57851676
+--- 57851754
+>>57851709
+>marine fighter squadron pilots routinely tasked to fly transports, do ground pounding, intel, etc
+Yeah, this was the real limitation of the series. It would have been better to be two separate character sets that occasionally intersected. One set of aviators, one set of expeditionary ground forces.
+--- 57851765
+>>57851639
+The Omega's will forever by my favorite sci-fi warship, they just feel right. Maybe some nostalgia thrown in ,
+--- 57851775
+>>57851648
+>doesn't have any coherent commentary on the space combat in teh show, just gets mad at the female marine
+oof
+--- 57851776
+>>57851565 (OP)
+No. No show, including the Expanse, has done Newtonian physics right for space combat. I suspect that's because the real deal would be not exciting for television screens.
+Something like this >>57851639
+would get hit with a projectile fired at fractions of the speed of light and be obliterated instantly with no warning, killing everyone aboard. That might be interesting to see just once, but doesn't make for good television.
+Regarding missiles, like everyone is talking about, those are generally retarded for space combat. They would be detected at range, meaning they have to be fast to avoid defenses. To be fast, they'd need a powerful engine, making them even more detectable, as well as a fuel source that'll probably be rapidly expended via constant acceleration, meaning the range will be short. Shorter than a railgun, which can fire faster, can't be intercepted, and gives no warning. The only reason to have them would be to bomb stuff through an atmosphere.
+--- 57851788
+>>57851754
+several characters spread around
+pilot, jarhead, crew, some folks back home, etc
+what the Battlestar Galactica remake figured out
+--- 57851810
+>>57851776
+B5 did 3D physics right
+whether it correctly applied the technology at hand is another question
+--- 57851857
+>>57851810
+Well B5 still fell into the same trap they all do of depicting space battles as if they were ships of the line at sea, like some British age of sail adventure. There's not going to be broadsides in space, that's just fantasy. I will admit it's pretty to watch though.
+What there would be in IRL space combat is nothing at all, followed by sudden extremely powerful violence.
+--- 57851902
+>I, STAR COLONEL NICHOLAI MALTHUS, DO HEREBY CLAIM THIS THREAD IN THE NAME OF THE GREATEST MILITARY SF PRODUCTION - BATTLETECH
+>WHAT FORCES DARE DEFEND IT
+--- 57851961
+>>57851902
+No one gives enough credit to Battletech. They just see the mechs and go "WEEB SHIT" and move on, ignoring the entire franchise is centered around giga military autism. People would rather play Warhammer with its space magic, than shoot ERPPCs and LRM20s at approaching dropships laden with infantry and tanks, and cackling maniacally as they crash into a city and explode, taking out several buildings with them. Sad.
+--- 57852043
+>>57851961
+it has a lot of hand waving space magic in terms of ranges and abilities and sensors
+but if you really stated weapons to have ranges of several km instead of ~600 meters you'd have to play on a gigantic field or adjust the scale and cause a new group of problems
+--- 57852069
+For me it's CoD AW
+--- 57852095
+>>57852043
+I mean, they just explain that part away for the sake of gameplay by saying the technology loss from the Succession Wars was so huge that humanity practically reverted to medieval times, and that while they can build a lot of the military hardware they now use, they can't improve on it really or even understand how it totally functions. That's why they use short-range swarms of guided missiles, and lasers with a range of just a few km, etc.
+In terms of actual table top gameplay though, full-spectrum Battletech is vastly more entertaining than Warhammer.
+--- 57852106
+>>57851961
+Aren’t the succession wars basically what’s going on in Eastern Europe, but with all the inner sphere getting bombed back to the Stone Age?
+That’s pretty realistic
+--- 57852197
+>>57852106
+Per the game lore, the Succession Wars were retardedly violent. Like, orbital-nukes-into-playgrounds violent. So yeah kinda. The rigid military hierarchy broke down, and individual regiments ended up becoming more like roving bands of boyars looting one place to go fight somewhere else. I'd actually say it was more like the 30 Year's War, in that any semblance of order just went right out the window.
+Unfortunately, it's also the best backdrop for the series, apart from maybe the Clan invasions. All the latter lore is really boring, personally speaking.
+--- 57852248
+>>57852106
+>>57852197
+Russia and Syria before that are more akin to the Chaos March
+military too weak to fully take over
+various independent factions and militias sprout up to defend their newly independent fiefs
+--- 57852258
+Mass Effect has the right amount of military and science autism. Damn shame about Andromeda though.
+--- 57852269
+Expanse.
+Pretty sad there is no game like Elite Dangerous/SC but Expanse
+--- 57852271
+>>57851565 (OP)
+the Expanse
+--- 57852285
+>>57852269
+>>57852271
+based fellow expanse poster beating me by 15 seconds
+--- 57852311
+>>57852258
+Pretty sure they're de-canonizing Andromeda, because Mass Effect 4 is in the works.
+--- 57852463
+>>57852197
+in the star league era the standard deployment was a brigade of 3 mech regiments
+by the time of the 3000s a regiment was the largest organization, and even then its forces only fought company-sized crossboarder raids
+--- 57852513
+>>57852463
+>in the star league era the standard deployment was a brigade of 3 mech regiments
+Bigger formations, because they literally had more gear.
+Regiments by the time of the tabletop game are about 3-5 battalions and 100-180 or so mechs, with the rest being tanks, infantry, VTOLs, logistical, C&amp;C, etc. I don't think anyone plays with regiment-level units though, Battletech just isn't popular enough to pull that off. A shame really.
+--- 57852530
+>>57852311
+>"I must go now, the Milky Way needs me."
+>Note: Ryder died on the way back to their home galaxy
+--- 57852552
+>>57852530
+At least Andromeda's total failure destroyed that trend of "if you don't buy this, YOU'RE A RACIST/SEXIST!!!" whining. The game was so bad it collapsed an entire company and 300+ jobs. People got real silent with the strong-arming after that.
+--- 57852578
+>>57852513
+BattleForce is lance-sized units, that has been around a long time
+Strategic BattleForce allows for regiment sized units, not sure how many actually play that
+--- 57852589
+>>57851590
+>earth ships don't use missiles
+>>57851676
+>None of the fucking ships in that universe have point defense systems either
+You are either didn't watch the show, lying or retarded. Not sure which.
+>>57851651
+>Animation budget, I think. The SFX department on B5 was on a shoestring. The first season was done with Amiga computers.
+Not really hardware issue at all, it just happened to be first show doing CGI on major scale. Making animation takes time, from animator, more objects you add, more shit you need to animate. Laser beams and some sort light balls for particle projection cannons are just simpler to animate.
+When it comes to Amiga, those were pretty common in audio-visual productions of all kinds until early 2000's, shit stuck around for almost decade after Commodore went belly up because Amiga in 90's had better software for that shit than pretty much any competitor at the time. Saying Amiga for kids might imply reasonably priced home computers, with comparable prices to modern reasonably priced gaming PC's is absolute bullshit. Amiga 2000, 3000 and 4000 line up was pretty different from Amiga 500 and 1200 home computers, especially with expansions, when it comes to both price and capability.
+--- 57852623
+>>57852552
+I've yet to make it more than a few hours in that game. Modded to shit, I still can't endure through. Blows my mind they spend years making that pile of shit, but only gave ME3 a fucking year.
+--- 57852685
+>>57852578
+>tfw you will never experience a strategic game of Battletech like this
+--- 57852696
+>>57852589
+they upgraded the computers after season 2
+you can see a very noticable bump in the quality of the digital from season 3 on
+that is when they started using the nebula backgrounds, have a lot more ships doing a lot more things and doing it fast and with the camera moving around a lot
+--- 57852734
+>>57851639
+>>57851765
+Your shipfu was copied from 2010.
+--- 57852745
+>>57851857
+B5 would sometimes go hard scifi with battles. There's one where the Narn engage the Shadows with beam weapons outside of visual range.
+--- 57852768
+I'm probably the only person on /k/ old enough to have watched this. From what I remember it was really, really good.
+--- 57852781
+>>57852768
+I remember that shit
+--- 57852829
+>>57852768
+nigga I was born in 1986 of course I remember it
+--- 57852865
+>>57852829
+Why are you still on 4chan? For that matter, why am I? I was born in '83.
+--- 57852869
+>>57852768
+You're not the only one. I remember. Had the toys too. Good times
+--- 57852873
+>>57852768
+>>57852781
+>>57852829
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7ktkOEeFw [Embed]
+--- 57852889
+>>57852865
+its saturday
+--- 57852904
+>>57851673
+>I don't think so, they did some amazing stuff in season 3 and 4.
+>I think somehow it wasn't conveyed that the model had those elements
+the entirety of B5 was animated in Lightwave
+Series 1 of B5 was animated entirely on a network of 20 amiga 2000 stations linked using the Newtek Video Toaster software/hardware interface. They upgraded to a network of 486DX PCs when Lightwave was ported from hardware to software. (yes, the original iteration of Lightwave was partially hardware based)
+the 20 machines working in parallel were able to render about 1 frame every 45 minutes, In PAL Resolution: (720 x 576 pixel)
+While the software did get a leap forward by Season 3, the single PC I'm typing this on has more graphics processing power than the multi-million dollar graphics rendering studio for B5.
+--- 57852920
+>>57852768
+Never seen that, as that was the year I moved overseas. My childhood exo cartoon was The Centurions, but that wasn't set in space.
+--- 57852926
+>>57852904
+toaster was the pilot, they upgraded for after it the regular series and again after season 2
+--- 57852934
+>>57852869
+I was too poor to have the toys so I drew them while I watched the show and clipped out pages from toy catalogs.
+--- 57852938
+>>57852106
+The Succession Wars are like WW2 if it went on for a few hundred years at like 10x intensity. Where you just can't produce things not only because the facilities producing the material are gone, but all the factories, labs and planets they were on.
+Nukes and theater level chem weapons were the norm back then.
+--- 57852943
+>>57851775
+>mad at the female marines
+>Need marines on mars who are trained in high grav to be effective on earth.
+>Which means you need high bone density and muscle mass
+>Most are WYMENS!!!!!!
+Military aspect of the show is retarded.
+--- 57852944
+>>57852696
+>they upgraded the computers after season 2
+They got rid of effects company and hired animators themselves, bought bunch of hardware and started doing effects in house, cutting the middle man saves money. I picked up Amiga thing, because that for ignorants is implying hardware would be cheapo home computers. All computers of the era, including 100k+ SGI workstations are toasters by any semi-modern standards. Hardware was never bad by standards of the day.
+>that is when they started using the nebula backgrounds
+Wonder what else changed. Hubble Space Telescope started working properly, after its optics were fixed. It produced copyright free high resolution images of nebulas.
+--- 57852951
+>>57852943
+Nigga what are you smoking? Most of the martian recon marines are men. Frankie was a physical freak.
+--- 57852974
+>>57852944
+>They got rid of effects company and hired animators themselves
+After season 3 Douglas Netter wanted to buy out Foundation Imaging and make it an inhouse unit
+They preferred to remain independent
+So Netter let them go and hired a bunch of junior Foundation Imaging staff and put his son or grandson in charge of them :\
+No longer contracted to Babylon 5 meant that Foundation Imaging could then go to work for Star Trek and greatly improve their effects that were still mostly being done by ILM with models
+--- 57853002
+>>57852926
+Nope,. first season was done on video toaster boards. the software version wasn't released commercially till '94.
+The pilot was on a network of 8 toasters, that was upgraded to 20 for the production of the first season CG by Foundation Imaging.
+that was upgraded in turn to 486DX PCs for the start of season 2, but certainly wasn't in place for season 1.
+--- 57853025
+>>57851902
+This is the part where I challenge you to a batchall right? ok, ahem
+> I, LORD OF THE STARS AND GUARIAN OF THE GALAXY DO CHALLENGE YOU TO A DANCE OFF, DARE YE REFUSE MY BATCHAL CLANNER SCUM!?
+--- 57853406
+>>57852974
+>No longer contracted to Babylon 5 meant that Foundation Imaging could then go to work for Star Trek
+Fun fact. Pic related from Star Trek Voyager is literally unused Vorlon ship form B5. That is confirmed by guy who made the model, there might be more B5 originated work in progress stuff in later seasons of Voyager and DS9. Star Trek had similar issues when it came to effects as B5, there isn't lot of time to do models and animations for a weekly tv-show. Choke point for VFX was never computer hardware, that was the workforce. Kinda old scifi movies and tv-shows from early 2000's often better VFX than stuff coming out now. Why? Pretty much everyone working in the industry in late 90's and early 2000's were enthusiastic about stuff they did. No amount of rendering passes for dynamic light on some frame can replace good taste and commitment to the art.
+--- 57853484
+>>57852768
+13 Year old me was hooked on this show. Fuck this was based children's programming.
+--- 57853490
+>>57851902
+--- 57853658
+>>57851639
+>>57851765
+>>57852271
+>>57852589
+>>57853406
+Why is it that every sci-fi ship has their guns bolted to the front when turrets exist? You’d think being able to shoot in directions other than dead ahead would be useful in space
+--- 57853709
+>>57851590
+How are you getting the range, heading and speed of a target, if you can't see the target on radar?
+Suppose the ship armor absorbs all radiowave/lightwave and doesn't bounce back any for receiving end. How are you ever "seeing" anything in the empty space? Might as well be shooting everywhere in every corner of the space at that point.
+--- 57854482
+>>57853658
+You literally just saw the only part of the expanse where they aren't furiously dakkaing with turrets, kek
+--- 57854491
+>>57852623
+>Blows my mind they spend years making that pile of shit, but only gave ME3 a fucking year.
+I think someone said that the game was originally meant to make heavy use of procedural generation.
+When they couldn't get that to work, or it wasn't cinematic enough, or something, they scrapped that. What was actually released as Andromeda was bashed together from the earlier version's assets and engine in like 1 year.
+--- 57854530
+>>57852271
+the Expanse gets ships right but militaries very very wrong because the writer is a faggot civilian
+--- 57855217
+>>57852869
+I used to have the toy on the right side of this picture.
+--- 57855847
+>>57852271
+Why does he rotate for no reason?
+--- 57855952
+Apart from the cops all carrying airsoft H&amp;K XM8s, Children of Men was pretty good, but probably not exactly what OP is after
+--- 57855964
+>>57855952
+fug. forgot pic.
+--- 57855978
+>>57855952
+>>57855964
+Children of Men is a great movie.
+--- 57855979
+>>57855847
+360noscope
+--- 57855980
+>>57851565 (OP)
+>Have any science fiction films or tv shows gotten the military right?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY [Embed]
+--- 57855988
+I hate the Minbari so much!
+Getting lucked into super advanced earth technology from the future. Stuck with billions of backward rituals and religious belief shit.
+Having no problems of genocide Humanity because they got the wrong idea because activating your weapons is kinda aggressive looking for an outsider, despite their own claimed morally and spiritually superiority.
+--- 57856019
+>>57851857
+I mean it's all fantasy in space to some degree, so better just to pick a historic metaphor as baseline for your space battles.
+Star Trek II's submarine like space battle was more interesting than whatever the show did space battlewise
+--- 57856123
+>>57851775
+aside from women being naturally weaker and thus shit material for high grav (for a martian) combat, people in general are very tired of Mary Sues mandated by the woke cultists plagueing entertainment
+ notice also in expanse the agenda creep in every aspect.
+>Like the best pres of earth being a pajeeta after men fail on multiple tries,
+>the belter rebel commander being constantly second guessed by his right hand who (of course) is always right,
+>Holden being holden to the obnoxious girl with the zoomer perm haircut, the only correct,
+>righteous and not cringe belter faction being led by Drummer who lives with a hamster colony commune "family"
+>the crack shot ace pajeet pilot Holden had effortlessly replaced by the martian mariner (after pajeet got cancelled irl) who turned out to be just as good as the natural born pilot.
+>the colonies on the alien planet led by strong, independent women who, of course, were in the right despite being illegal gypsy squatters and trying to kill the research crew sent out to prospect. While the only guy who had the correct answer for the belter question was, of course, the seasons big bad.
+--- 57856148
+>>57853658
+Why bother with turrets when your ship shoots at things at 500km+ away and your 5000m long warship turns at 30 degrees a second like in trek because of inertial dampeners kek.
+--- 57856152
+>>57855978
+ya the battle in the refugee camp at the end is pretty kino. its post-apocalypse though, so there's not really any tech or futuristic military concepts on show, more societal collapse and rag-tag militarism.
+--- 57856172
+>>57856123
+I bet you also get angry that the Sky Marshal in Starship Troopers got replaced by a black woman.
+--- 57856182
+>>57856172
+Facism breeds wokeness!
+--- 57856215
+>>57851565 (OP)
+BSG
+--- 57856231
+>>57852513
+>Battletech just isn't popular enough
+Battletech is the only tabletop (sci-fi at least) that i've wanted to try out. Sadly however I have never met anyone else who wanted to play.
+--- 57856234
+>>57851565 (OP)
+>>earth ships don't use missiles
+no but earth defense ring was all missiles
+--- 57856243
+>>57851776
+>Regarding missiles, like everyone is talking about, those are generally retarded for space combat. They would be detected at range, meaning they have to be fast to avoid defenses. To be fast, they'd need a powerful engine, making them even more detectable, as well as a fuel source that'll probably be rapidly expended via constant acceleration, meaning the range will be short. Shorter than a railgun, which can fire faster, can't be intercepted, and gives no warning. The only reason to have them would be to bomb stuff through an atmosphere.
+Projectile-based point defence will need a considerable amount of time to reach the missile and can be avoided if the missile has active sensors.
+Beam-based point defence has a linear relationship between aperture diameter and effective range. Any point defence gun capable of intercepting a missile at a respectable distance would be the size of the main battery. Which is fine, we can have the main battery do double duty, but heat management is an issue, and it can be overwhelmed.
+Any point defence gun small enough to fit in numbers would not be effective past doubledigit kilometres.
+And you can't even fit them in numbers because heat management sets hard restrictions on the number of guns you have, anyway.
+All of this also means that the missile can coast most of the way, only needing enough Delta V to do course correction and for the final approach, making them smaller and cheaper.
+The best way to intercept missiles are, amusingly, smaller gunboats that can meet them at range. Which requires the missiles to be protected by their own gunboats, of course.
+Oh, did I just set up fighters in space? Guess all the nerds bitching about them need to take it up the ass.
+--- 57856260
+>>57852745
+>B5 would sometimes go hard scifi with battles. There's one where the Narn engage the Shadows with beam weapons outside of visual range.
+It's a great sequence.
+A pity they dropped that approach afterwards. Need more BVR space combat.
+--- 57856274
+>>57851565 (OP)
+Stargate is really close to how Planet Dirt really operates
+t. overheard something I wasn't supposed to
+--- 57856280
+>>57852768
+i have season 2 .do you?
+--- 57856293
+>>57856231
+Try MegaMek. It's literally a free version of the tabletop game that can be played against local AI or online against other people.
+--- 57856302
+>>57853406
+That thing is roughly as dense as planet Earth.
+That's not a bioship, that thing's made of solid Titanium. With a lead core.
+--- 57856314
+>>57856243
+macross fans know better
+--- 57856342
+>totalitarian regime in space
+>focus on superweapons over practicality
+>obsessed with being themed
+>makes sure the grunts are incompetent retards so they cannot rebel
+>brought down by its own spitefulness and desire to torture its already defeated foes
+It's not a good military, but goddamn is it a realistic take on one specific type of military.
+--- 57856380
+>>57856231
+>Sadly however I have never met anyone else who wanted to play.
+The managing company is incompetent. They give it basically zero advertising or support, and their sole interest is to make money off legacy players. No one wants to play because no one really knows it exists. If they knew what it was, they WOULD want to play. That's the paradox.
+It works for me, at any rate. It's futuristic space Chechnya 24/7.
+--- 57856397
+>>57852513
+It's on the upswing, their new kickstarter just got 5.5 million
+--- 57856422
+>>57856342
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlvSwZ_4uuA [Embed]
+--- 57856440
+>>57851565 (OP)
+Gunbuster
+--- 57856463
+>>57852943
+>>57852951
+>>57856123
+Bobbie in the books was established as being unusually large and strong due to her polynesian heritage.
+--- 57856480
+>>57856380
+They did license a really good and faithful version on the PC. And fucking niggers on /v/ and /btg/ and the CBT forums shat all over it because you could OPTIONALLY choose some pronoun bullshit (or you could choose not to) and because there were some VERY VERY minor differences in mechanics.
+The CBT community doesn't deserve nice things. Although NEA seems like a nice guy. Apart from the weird porno fanfiction he wrote.
+--- 57856485
+>>57852685
+Go to Cincinatti
+--- 57856520
+>>57856485
+Just in general?
+--- 57856534
+>>57856480
+The only reason to get mad at the Battletech game is because there's not much variety in weapons or mechs. Some autismos modded it though and added in hundreds of mechs, as well as playable tanks, VTOLs, and basically every weapon ever dreamed up. The mod is 3x the size of the base game.
+--- 57856554
+>>57855847
+The shot is a spinally mounted railgun, which is technically too big and powerful for the ship it's mounted to. The rotating ship is being pursued by the ships being shot at.
+--- 57856700
+I remembered this story, written in a snit after seeing the WW2 aeroplane space battles in Star Wars.
+http://library.lol/fiction/4b0c638011a5231bc781f3f4446b5863
+--- 57856722
+>>57856463
+NTA but it is nice they cast an actual Polynesian chick to play the part. That actress is a tank .
+--- 57856725
+Oh shit I just remembered an old Newgrounds Flash cartoon... let me see if I can find it.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7MZL_MptOQ [Embed]
+God damn this takes me back.
+--- 57856735
+>>57851565 (OP)
+Did anyone else really enjoy Titanfall?
+Aside from the time travel BS, really enjoyed the plot, story, and combat. You can tell that they were aiming for the gritty feel that old school Halo gamers were seeking for years: wouldn't this game be a lot tougher if we were ODSTs?
+--- 57856756
+>>57851776
+>Regarding missiles, like everyone is talking about, those are generally retarded for space combat. They would be detected at range, meaning they have to be fast to avoid defenses. To be fast, they'd need a powerful engine, making them even more detectable, as well as a fuel source that'll probably be rapidly expended via constant acceleration, meaning the range will be short. Shorter than a railgun, which can fire faster, can't be intercepted, and gives no warning. The only reason to have them would be to bomb stuff through an atmosphere.
+You can fire a missile through a railgun, and that missile could iself be railgun.
+--- 57856763
+>>57856722
+I like the fact the director took the time to shoot closeups of her ass in tight space outfits coming down the ladders.
+--- 57856766
+Man I really hate to do this, but
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWtuKm6C1Sw [Embed]
+--- 57856779
+>>57856756
+Yo dawg, we heard you like near C projectiles, so we put a railgun in yo railgun projectile, so you can fire a railgun while firing railguns.
+--- 57856807
+>>57852904
+>the single PC I'm typing this on has more graphics processing power than the multi-million dollar graphics rendering studio for B5.
+The PC I'm using renders VR in 4k at 144FPS for videogames. Moore's law is a helluva drug.
+--- 57856816
+>>57856274
+>Planet Dirt
+What?
+--- 57856849
+>>57856816
+I wouldn't worry about it.
+--- 57856864
+>>57856816
+>Have planet
+>Name it dirt
+No wonder the Gou'ld abandoned it.
+--- 57856921
+>>57856735
+Titanfall 2 was a fucking blast in singleplayer. Even the time travel shenanigans were awesome to use.
+It really felt like a crossover between Portal and Halo.
+--- 57856924
+AT LAST, WE NOW GET THE CHANCE TO FACE EACH OTHER IN COMBAT
+--- 57857055
+>>57856924
+>Kamovs are supposedly complete shitbuckets
+>can cloak
+>can immediately fire out of jump
+>will fire several salvos despite Energy Shield Genrators are online and win trough sheer saturation
+>meanwhile Gamma shoves their thumbs up their assholes and you have to protect from enemy turrets,fighters and destroy shield gens, till their slug like movement allows them to lock and fire
+--- 57857061
+>>57856763
+Also this
+--- 57857073
+>>57856921
+>It really felt like a crossover between Portal and Halo.
+Perfect way to describe it. I absolitey enjoyed pilot shenanigans with wall-runs and the like. It's a pity the original game is near impossible to play these days; support ended a while ago.
+--- 57857087
+>>57856924
+>torpedoes
+My PTSD just kicked in.
+--- 57857104
+>>57855988
+And that interspecies shit. Stop that!
+--- 57857147
+>>57851565 (OP)
+No, though a few got close.
+It depends on travel technology, therefore how meaningful/meaningless distances get, and how much resources are available and required. Both defines the scale of conflicts and what is needed: at a short enough distance, you wouldn't even risk human lives on spaceships, if there's enough resources you wouldn't have much conflicts at all.
+Still the ideal spaceship design would look kind of like an airship, that is a very small spaceship, surrounded by a huge structure that catches projectiles. At least, in the few vidya that kinda properly depict space combat issues, it's what works the best, there needs to be as much filler as possible around you.
+--- 57857509
+>THIS ENTIRE THREAD
+>no one mention Kessler effect
+Disappointed.
+Space debris are really, really, really bad for any orbit you care about and the infrastructure building your mighty manned spaceship.
+Once you have the infrastructure to build "warship" you have the ability to build Laser turrets capable of effectively disabling any fleet or missile swarms not big enough to get through.
+On the other side, this is a way to legitimize space boarding.
+--- 57857634
+>>57857509
+Fuck off retard. Kessler syndrome is functionally impossible and cleans itself rapidly. Solar wind, magnetism, and thin exosphere all rapidly degrade the orbit of small objects. But also collisions result in most off the mass staying in a single large chunk in the original orbit and very few small pieces and a token amount if sand and powder that basically deorbit instantly.
+Fuck off with your "nuclear winter but in space" lies. BTW nuclear winter is also a fucking lie.
+--- 57857894
+>>57856231
+You can come to /tg/ battle tech general and shitpost with us anon, and there is MegaMek than makes playing the game fun and not have to look for all the tables all the time.
+--- 57858002
+>>57857509
+There was no reason to mention it. This thread isn't about that.
+Secondly, the debris wouldn't be permanent.
+Thirdly, all the space debris problems could be mitigated by just not having ships in that orbit.
+Practical actual combat ships in space are going to be small, have small crews, and be highly fast and maneuverable while delivering probably one single powerful punch before running away. Basically gunships. Something that zooms into orbit as fast as possible, drops a payload of warheads onto the surface, and hits the burners to break orbit just as quickly. There's not going to be any big hulking cruisers with 10,000 crew members, precisely because that is impractical and stupid, and also presents a gigantic target. Newtonian physics dictates that big slow targets will be very dead targets, and in the arms race between defenses and offenses, offenses will ultimately win. A rod of tungsten about the size of a telephone poll fired at 60% C at a planet would blow the planet up. There's no armor or PDWs that will ever be enough. The only way to not die will be to not get hit. So there won't be big debris fields that choke off a planet, because no one will be dumb enough to build massive structures or ships to create such a thing. Or, well... I should rephrase that, because humanity is stupid. Someone WILL build a big thing, and it will inevitably be destroyed, and then the lesson learned after will be "Oh, we shouldn't build big targets anymore", since a lot of people will have to die before lessons are learned. And that's always been the case.
+I don't especially like Mass Effect's space ship designs, but they had the right idea in a double-hulled 20-30 man ship that can RCS out of the path of danger, and juke, roll, etc.
+--- 57858006
+>>57857634
+>denial
+Smarter people than you say otherwise. I guess you like looking like a retard on the internet.
+You don't even understand basic orbital mechanics, "original orbit" still mean all orbits going through it will be lost and must be cleaned of anything that cannot dodge, constantly, for several decades.
+Else ANY impact will create another "original orbit" you cannot go through.
+https://youtu.be/JyG3zqLyW8k [Embed]
+The only orbits that clean themselves are the very low orbits and it still take decades plural and depend of debris size. Surprise surprise most of what we are small expendable satellites of a few tons at most who can dodge on their own.
+The danger literally scale with how much stuffs you have up there, it would already cause problem right now despite our very low launch capability so we literally cannot have a glorious space future with large space station, space dock, orbital rings, space elevators...etc unless we take this deadly seriously.
+Good luck telling everyone on Earth they should just wait "decades" then rebuild all their 1000+tons stations and only build rocket capable of dodging the shredder orbits.
+>Fuck off with your "nuclear winter but in space" lies. BTW nuclear winter is also a fucking lie.
+I suspect you are the kind of idiot who think Climate change is a lie because "it didn't kill us already" or because as long as a few people survive it doesn't count.
+You weren't worth answering but many other will care to get the full scope.
+--- 57858044
+>>57851565 (OP)
+The Outer Limits
+Space: Above and Beyond
+--- 57858053
+>>57857634
+>rapidly degrade the orbit of small objects
+Actually, no. People tend to exaggerate how hard it is to hit a perfect orbit. It's very easy, and the margin of error is absolutely huge.
+Our only frame of reference is the ISS and the early MIR, but that's only because they're low enough that it's still in the upper layer of the atmosphere, and gets slowed down. That aside, anything else higher up is likely to remain long enough to be a huge pain in the ass for several generations.
+--- 57858078
+>>57856763
+>>57857061
+Can we get some webm's please? Thank you.
+--- 57858110
+>>57858006
+Not him, and most of your post is relatively okay, but "climate change" literally is a propagandistic lie. It's a nuspeak term that means whatever people want it to mean, which is why it's never clearly defined. I doubt you know what it really means either, but you're very sure it's real, because a lot of people have repeated the buzzword on tiktok and you heard about it in public school. Yet you don't really think in practical terms of what "climate change" allegedly is. Which is why if there's more hurricanes, that's climate change. If there's no hurricanes, that's climate change. If it's the same amount of hurricanes, well that's climate change as well. Etc. It's just a rebrand of "global warming" because global warming didn't actually happen, and despite what the false prophets of 30 years ago said, Florida wasn't put 20 feet under water, which is what they originally predicted would have happened by now. Whatever doomsday scenario you've been taught in school is going to happen in the next ten years, I guarantee you it isn't going to happen. And if Hollywood movie-tier doomsday "climate change" were about to happen in the next few years, the governments of the world would be sterilizing and killing people off, and shutting down Chinese factories with nukes if they had to. Instead, mass-immigration continues unabated, and cheap Chinese crap continues pouring into every Western nation.
+--- 57858316
+>>57858110
+meds
+--- 57858392
+>>57851961
+Have you considered that space magic is okay?
+--- 57858411
+>>57858002
+Something that can kill or deny a military force orbits is very much in topic.
+If you wanted a genocidal war you'd definitely count on a Kessler effect.
+>>Practical actual combat ships in space
+You'll need to be a bit more specific with the context because you may not need to have crew, or a spaceship at all.
+Given you used "Mass effect" as reference you'll understand I'm skeptical of your understanding of space navigation and reactive mass.
+You do not need to move in a planet orbit to then strike the surface, and being able to do so while starting outside this planet orbit (or even from its moon) imply your ship have huge power source and dV range, making it BIG by other standard.
+ex:
+>small
+gunship varied a lot in size
+>small crews
+A mostly automated deathstar would count
+>highly fast
+Can either mean you can change orbit quickly
+or can reach another planet with SLOW but constant acceleration
+>maneuverable
+Could just be a space pod capable of moving around space station
+Could be a very big ship capable of changing orbit, basically pic.
+>before running away
+All trajectories in space are ballistic, this imply you cancel the speed you've painfully gained to go back. It's going to require a LOT of fuel.
+What you describe is more like
+- changing your trajectory so it pass by the target
+- use a non-autonomous weapon on target you couldn't hit another way
+- keep on your trajectory then change it later
+>because no one will be dumb enough to build massive structures or ships to create such a thing.
+So building a civilization is stupid but war is natural and should be actively made easier to do without repercussion?
+I see you don't have an high opinion of mankind.
+If your real argument is that we should not encourage single point of failure, obviously but risk prevention will mean acting to make war unprofitable (and yes by that I mean making space-Putin not even be able to order to capture space-Ukraine).
+--- 57858464
+>>57856463
+>>57856763
+I had a sensible chuckle from one of Bobbie's internal monologs in the books. She said she usually had an advantage in social situations. Either the person was thrown off by being intimidated by her size or they were thrown off by her activating a chocolate muscle girl fetish.
+--- 57858652
+>>57858110
+Original anon you answered,
+Only way to keep this on topic would be to point out that propaganda and false information are legitimate weapon of war. An alien civilization who would like to wipe us out (without being irrefutably evil to other civilization) might discretely encourage self-destructing stupidity in our race.
+Shame it may make you think you are right because you branded what other said as "propaganda" first, regardless if making you believe something is "fakenews" might be the (real) propaganda of another group who make extra millions per seconds of you acting on wrong information.
+Changing the name of something isn't done solely for misinformation, sometime it's because the problem you only saw a fraction of needed a more scientifically accurate name.
+In military context it's like rewording "Enemy provocation, they won't really do it" into "Enemy first strike, they mean war".
+https://youtu.be/g3vPyhX1Pps?t=70 [Embed]
+--- 57858696
+>>57858053
+based planetes poster
+--- 57858737
+>>57856182
+Oh no
+I would rather being eaten by a bug then follow orders from a black woman!
+--- 57858744
+>>57851639
+The big red circles are clearly broadside particle cannon.
+--- 57858975
+>>57856534
+Which BT game and mod?
+--- 57859111
+>>57856231
+>>57856380
+That and the main BT system is kinda clunky and gets really time-intensive once you try to play larger than lance-on-lance engagements, let alone anything involving combined arms.
+--- 57859208
+>>57852043
+Ranges in the TT are deliberately shrunk down and abstracted so you don't have to rent a warehouse floor to play a big engagement.
+Like, compare the RPG and Tabletop ranges: A shoulder-launched SRM in the TT has a max range of like 180 meters, while the same launcher in the RPG goes out to 750 meters for a long-range shot. RPG ranges for LRM enable straight up indirect fire over the horizon and the only direct-fire weapons longer-ranged than that (AC/2s, Light Guass etc.) are at least in part designed for AA duties.
+--- 57859274
+>>57851565 (OP)
+starship troopers.
+the movie not the book.
+--- 57859423
+>>57852938
+Eh, not quite. The First and Second Succession Wars (both lasted like 30 years each, with a ~10-year pause in between) were more akin to a full-blown Cold War goes hot scenario with all sides trying for full-on strategic destruction of their opponents warmaking and industrial potential. Everything that looked remotely important got nuked if at all practical. Military infrastructure, military-related industry, R&amp;D, administrative hubs, hell even just civilian industry and whatever could theoretically be dual-use. Worlds died, and that was just collateral damage outside a few exceptions like Jinjiro Kurita going full psycho after his dad bit it.
+They only stopped because they all by the end of the 2nd Succession War realised that interstellar civilization was literally at the brink of total collapse. WarShips - military FTL-capable ships - and the industries building them were literally extinct and civilian FTL JumpShip production had declined to the point where they could barely replace just the normal attrition from accidents and wear&amp;tear.
+The 3rd Succession War that followed and lasted ~160 years was essentially a mix between WWI and medieval-style raiding warfare. The lack of FTL transport meant that you couldn't really do massive invasions on an interstellar scale anymore. JumpShips were safe though, because basically everybody relevant agreed that destroying them now was a crime against humanity. So everyone just rolled out the militia, dug in on the border planets and put reserves one or two FTL jumps back and every real invasion would generally get stuck one jump in and then have to grind it out while both sides tried to bring in reinforcements. Campaigns slowed to a crawl and small-unit raids became the prevalent type of combat.
+--- 57859449
+>>57858392
+Have you considered not being an irredeemable faggot?
+--- 57859527
+>>57856480
+>>57856534
+They expanded the Mechs and parts a bit in later DLCs, too.
+Also, the mechanics differences if at all made things better overall IMO. The buff to ye olde autocannons alone was great, actually amde the smaller ones viable.
+>>57858975
+Harebrained Schemes' Battletech TBS game.
+--- 57859534
+>>57858053
+Space diapers!
+--- 57859786
+What does everyone think about the idea of still using conventional weapons on Mars?
+Rifles, etc should all still work.
+I guess you need to adjust for a higher barrel pressure differential with the thin atmosphere
+The only argument that can be made about handing to use lasers or rail guns instead, is that it takes fuel to get the chemical propellant and projectiles to Mars, and those materials could be better used in other applications
+--- 57860162
+>>57859786
+By the time wars are being fought on Mars, there will be local production of muntions.
+--- 57860363
+>>57860162
+They may need to come up with new recipes then.
+--- 57860382
+>>57856342
+Sir that is a dick and balls
+--- 57860418
+>>57860363
+Why? Basically all the resources needed are on Mars. The problem is extracting them. There's nitrogen and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, water ice in the ground.
+--- 57860453
+>>57859449
+--- 57861329
+>>57857634
+>Fuck off retard. Kessler syndrome is functionally impossible and cleans itself rapidly. Solar wind, magnetism, and thin exosphere all rapidly degrade the orbit of small objects.
+It is possible and how fast low earth orbits will clean itself is extremely relative. Shit might stay up there for long enough to prevent or at least limit space flight for generations.
+>>57856302
+>That's not a bioship, that thing's made of solid Titanium. With a lead core.
+kek. I have rarely bothered to check numbers in any of supposed technical specs in scifi fluff materials. I guess we have lead based lifeforms here. Now the relevant thing is how you can kill 'em, lead poisoning wouldn't be a viable method.
+>>57858110
+>"climate change" literally is a propagandistic lie
+Most of opposition for climate change are propagandistic lies. Literally coming from same scientists that previously opposed the fact that smoking causes cancer. People with previous experience in selling their opinions to business interests. Rest are mostly willful ignorance.
+--- 57861448
+>>57851693
+You know she'd slap a ball gag on you, strap on a massive dildo and reorganize your guts in zero g.
+--- 57861561
+>>57851776
+Nebulous Fleet Command works with those issues with missiles by forcing players to use different tactics with different missile types. Having a missile that has a second "Sprint" stage allows you to fire it from far away or around objects to engage the ship with a missile that the enemy's PD cannot engage in time. Missiles can be fired in groups and with additional onboard munitions to overwhelm the PD with targets to track. There's a lot more to it, but it's honestly just a naval combat game in space.
+--- 57861584
+>>57853709
+not to mention distances in space battles could be hundreds of kilometers
+even if you could just look out a window (you wouldn't have one) the chances of seeing and estimating off visual alone is just lol, lmao
+--- 57861636
+>>57860418
+Water flow has artificially concentrated a lot of the elements on earth. Think California gold rush. You mine the minerals where they are, not everywhere.
+I suppose everything is technically possible though.
+--- 57861693
+>>57856463
+>Muh books!
+>100lb woman is as strong as 250lb Arnold villain
+The concept is overused and is retarded.
+--- 57861746
+>iykyk
+--- 57861783
+>>57851565 (OP)
+https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tottr
+i love this scene of space yamato with everthing and how retard its is.
+--- 57861849
+>>57858053
+This is in my top 5 anime of all time.
+I like the little detail accuracies. Like how before going on a spacewalk, they zero a artificial horizon on their HUD to give them a frame of reference. It's not explained in the show/manga, they just do it.
+--- 57861861
+>>57861693
+Have you considered not being an irredeemable faggot?
+--- 57861926
+>>57861636
+This has likely occured on Mars as well because it too had water and rivers.
+--- 57861957
+>>57861636
+Mars had liquid water in the past. It has had a lot of resource concentration.
+--- 57862045
+>>57861746
+>that commercial got so many dudes
+--- 57862079
+>>57858110
+This anon speaks the truth.
+--- 57862082
+>>57859786
+>What does everyone think about the idea of still using conventional weapons on Mars?
+By the way I'm sure you /k/ junkies will love this page or have plenty of opinion about it
+http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sidearmintro.php
+(talking about pure oxygen atmosphere in space station, which give plenty of advantage)
+>In such an atmosphere, the danger of muzzle flash, the unburned gunpowder residues, will force the installation of silencer mount to any gun. Hot brass pose anther ignition source and brass catcher have to be attach to any autoloader or use of revolvers instead. The lower air pressure will reduce the natural convection heat transfer, the guns will heat up very fast and will takes longer time to cool down. Any expose metal part should be cover in the equivalent of full body barrel shroud that prevents any contact between the hot metal to any flammable material if the gun dropped or fall down. Two unexpected perks of the lower pressure; firstly sound transfer reduced by the lower air density and with combine with the obligatory silencers eliminate the need of hearing protection. Second; the lower air density, a fifth of Earth sea level, meant that the air drag is also approximately fifth of what the bullet face in normal Earth air. Most if not all of the special purpose cartridges designed for reduced hull penetration and reduce over-penetration have terrible aerodynamic properties. A lower pressure cabin will allows such types of ammo lower velocity drop and larger ranges beyond their Earth bound specification.
+And more here with official report
+http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sidearmslug.php#id--Slugthrowers--Vacuum_Firearms
+--- 57862095
+>>57861448
+I know. That's the appeal.
+--- 57862305
+>>57851565 (OP)
+Earth Force had Russian tier tactics in Mimbarii war. All they did was just letting themselves to be blown up by space elves. Sheridan was only one who did something else, utilizing concept of trap on his own.
+Even first contact was like they intentionally choose most hotheaded and not fitting officer to do diplomatic mission.
+Also security on Babylon 5 sucks, far to many times ambassadors had no protection and were in danger few easy to avoid assassination and murder attempts (some even successful).
+So yeah, technically it did it right, realistically depending what irl military you compare with
+--- 57862322
+>>57851961
+Battletech tries to be realistic but it's in the context of some really retarded foundational rules, so it's a give-some-take-some relationship to realism.
+* """long-range""" missiles are about half a kilometre, and completely unguided without extra special equipment
+* Literally ballistic weapons can't be fired *ballistically* at targets over the horizon, only missiles
+* Armour is just protective hit points rather than a pierces/doesn't-pierce relationship like it mostly has in reality
+* Let's build armoured fighting vehicles with giant windowed cockpits, that's a great idea
+* Walking tanks fighting at point-blank range, in fact even actually punching each other
+* A computer allowing the giant robots to coordinate with each other takes up space &amp; weight measured in fucking *tons* (this one at least is understandable since back in the 80s people thought powerful computers would always be big &amp; heavy)
+So yeah let's not pretend Battletech is the pinnacle of realism. It's decent at being internally consistent, though.
+--- 57862561
+>>57861861
+>if you don't like current entertainment that puts diversity before story writing and character development, you're a fag
+Sorry that I like good entertainment and don't consume current product.
+--- 57862771
+>>57851648
+Yeah nah cunt, as an aussie I can tell you right now that polynesian women (who bobbie is supposed to be) like that exist. The show and books had heaps of gay woke shit, bobby wasn't one of them
+--- 57863297
+>>57862561
+>puts diversity before story writing and character development
+How exactly did it do that? Be specific. What character development and story writing took a back seat?
+--- 57865404
+>letting this tgread archive on a saterday night
+As if you shut-ins have dates or something.
+--- 57865710
+>>57862322
+>* """long-range""" missiles are about half a kilometre
+Even in the TT rules that seriously reduce weapons ranges for the sake of playability, this is incorrect. Also, the LRM is a tactical system and only considered long-range by that measure (and to differentiate from SRMs.) It's not an artillery weapon.
+>and completely unguided without extra special equipment
+As is this. The only actually unguided missile weapons in the game are cheapo one-shot rocket pods and specific "deadfire" missiles that sacrifice the basic seeker to pack more boom.
+>*Literally ballistic weapons can't be fired *ballistically* at targets over the horizon, only missiles
+Yes, because the "ballistic weapons" category are direct-fire weapons that make no accomodations to indirect use. Actual artillery weapons are treated as their own category.
+>*Armour is just protective hit points rather than a pierces/doesn't-pierce relationship like it mostly has in reality
+Which is an artifact of the in-setting technological progression. Armor has become increasingle ablative in exchange for being stupendously resistance to outright penetration. Older "primitive" or crappy commercial armoring types can be penetrated without ablating everything if you shoot it with a big enoug weapon, but those just aren't used on frontline units anymore exactly for that reason.
+>* Let's build armoured fighting vehicles with giant windowed cockpits, that's a great idea
+Yet those "giant" windows are so small that trying to go for a cokcpit shot on a moving target is a waste of time.
+>* Walking tanks fighting at point-blank range, in fact even actually punching each other
+Which mostly happens in heavily broken or urban terrain, and as a consequence of armor being good enough to allow units to take hits and keep going as a matter of course.
+--- 57865746
+I'm not reading this whole fucking thread just to post 'Space: Above and Beyond' was the best military scifi show and be eternally and indisputably right.
+--- 57865768
+>>57862322
+>* A computer allowing the giant robots to coordinate with each other takes up space &amp; weight measured in fucking *tons* (this one at least is understandable since back in the 80s people thought powerful computers would always be big &amp; heavy)
+C3 networks do rather more than just "allow units to coordinate with each other". Like, holy shit, the actual level of data sharing and fire-control computation involved to make that work the way it does is pretty damn mind-boggling.
+Also, remember that Mech construction rules are abstracted to a point. Like, weapons tonnage includes things like putting those guns into an articulated, armored mount and providing proper connections to power, cooling and autoloader systems. Targetting computers include actual upgrades to those remote mounts and all adjacent systems to work with the improved precision of the system etc.
+--- 57865852
+>>57853025
+>You think your freeborn moves can possibly compare to how a trueborn of Clan Jade Falcon gets down?
+>Well bargained and done then surat.
+--- 57865932
+>>57852869
+80s and 90s toys were GOAT
+--- 57867214
+>>57863297
+This anon summed it up the best
+>>57856123
+--- 57867418
+NTA,
+To be honest Battletech will obviously suffer from all the flaws related to mecha, AND being ported from arbitrary tabletop gameplay and funky sci-fi weapons that wouldn't exist by realistic physics.
+Really, even Gundam is more coherent as pseudo-science and design go. Battledude mocking humanoid shape should remember Battletech still have anthropoid number of arms &amp; legs (save a few exception).
+pic 100% related
+>>57865710
+>Yet those "giant" windows are so small that trying to go for a cokcpit shot on a moving target is a waste of time.
+Many battlemech do have GIANT windows right in the center of mass. Redesign or not.
+At Battletech level they should have 360° VR with triple redundancy, even with a dedicated FoV for the real sensors
+>>57865768
+>C3 Network
+I give them inventing L16 before it was a thing IRL, but the computation required to have walking machine is actually far more impressive than just "sharing targeting data" which was IRL only a problem because constant emission make you into a target.
+--- 57867526
+>>57856123
+>didn’t read the books
+Holden was a Pajeet because he was a Pajeet in the books and he was a talented Pajeet because he was literally a Pajeet PC in a tabletop campaign of Traveller you dumb culture warrior, and I say that as someone who doesn’t like the show and thinks the books are mid
+--- 57867540
+>>57851565 (OP)
+Bump
+--- 57867549
+>>57861693
+>has never met a Polynesia woman
+Samoans are literally built different
+--- 57867563
+>>57854530
+Yeah the writers are civvies basing it on a tabletop campaign. It’s why their captain can just do whatever he fucking wants without consequences and always saves the day and makes huge decisions for everyone else kek
+--- 57867570
+>>57851961
+Both Battletech and WH40k games where the setting and associated fluff material is better than the game. Even the spin off and licensed vidya are mostly better than original games. Battletech has remained more or less same when it comes to gameplay between new editions, just added more stuff to it. WH40k on the other hand has gone thru plenty of simplification to make easier for kids, some of it good, some of it bad. Best GW games are easily the smaller scale games like Necromunda, Gorkamorka and Bloodbowl. Then again GW's main business has been selling miniatures and new books for new editions for sake of making more money.
+>>57862322
+All of that is derived from game play limitations, size of a table and trying to balance the game. If we ignore realism aspect entirely, look at the internal consistency. Like 70% canonical mechs have some borderline retarded armament choices. 25% are kinda okay with only mild retardation. 5% of designs actually make sense within game.
+One thing is certain, people who made source books about inner sphere factions have no clue about math or human biology. People in BT breed like fucking insects. They also had very little idea of astronomy.
+--- 57867691
+>>57867549
+>heavist deadlift by a woman, 621 lbs
+>heaviest deadlift by a man, 1,185 lbs
+yeah....
+--- 57868312
+>>57858316
+>>57861329
+"Climate change" isn't real, which is why you cannot define what it is. Reddit is elsewhere.
+--- 57868324
+>>57862322
+Literally everything you're complaining about is explained by the canon.
+--- 57868663
+>>57856243
+>All of this also means that the missile can coast most of the way, only needing enough Delta V to do course correction and for the final approach, making them smaller and cheaper.
+Really feels like it defeats the point of using a missile.
+--- 57868667
+>>57856700
+>>57856725
+Did anyone check out my links? Opinions?
+Interstellar Marines and Hellion showed a lot of promise, but both were cancelled due to fuckery.
+I have hopes that Kerbal Space Program or the older Orbiter community will give us the autismo space combat I crave.
+Well, now that the Space Station 13 3D remake that was being made out of eight chan by that Russian autist is gone.
+Outrim was a web comic with pretty hard physics, but it was based on someone's Traveller campaign. Too bad the author packed it in due to some family drama and never came back.
+I heard the RPG Albedo, and the comic that it was based on, were pretty hard-SF settings. I mean, it's furry, but it's that charming sort of early 80's protofurry from before the Sonic OCs and Sparkledogs and the backlash.
+--- 57870223
+>>57856274
+Where did you hear about Planet Dirt, anon? Outside of ATS of course. Apparently there is a other potentially better place to go now.
+--- 57870232
+>>57867418
+>"sharing targeting data"
+You're completely ignoring that there's degrees there. It's like someone saying modern fire control systems aren't impressive because technology doing the same existed a hudnred years ago already, all while completely ignoring the actual performance of the systems in question.
+>>57867691
+I'd like to see the guys who complain about how buff women are an impossible myth try and deadlift 621 pounds. Probably preceede it with the Jackass soundtrack.
+--- 57870639
+Patlabor 2 has maybe the best depiction of electronic warfare in any film, should I put together a QRD?
+--- 57870886
+>>57858411
+What game?
+--- 57872777
+>>57851648
+Eheh, at least Bobby was a TRAINED marine. Not like Avasaralla and the whole, smelly yaaasqueens behind her.
+The physics checked out for the most part. But on the topic of military - to come back to the question OP had - it was more a political show and therefore
+'insert latte-drinking millennial nasal tone\
+military `stuff` just `kinda happened` and some people died and got shredded.
+I rate that show 6/10.
+REALLY good visuals,
+SOLID grasps on physics,
+industrial sized cliffhanger insertions (basically ever ep ended with something hanging in the air),
+and some sorry ass woke shit that just made my eyes roll.
+I like B5 better
+--- 57872820
+>>57851648
+>>57872777
+Bosmang Camina was the only good female character, and truly a good female character for fucking once.
+--- 57872826
+>>57870232
+again 621lbs of 1185lbs with similar years of training
+Average male is stronger than the average female body builder,
+Sorry that you don't like reality.
+--- 57872851
+>>57852271
+Awesome shot, solid grasp on physics
+Just. Those four ships could pepper the roci`s ass just as likely.
+--- 57872990
+>>57861746
+what?
+--- 57873007
+>>57852943
+>>Most are WYMENS!!!!!!
+Less than half of them were, and they were in power armor which more than makes up for their sex.
+--- 57873062
+>>57853490
+Clan Jade Falcon reference.... lol , my sides, literally, my sides.... XD
+--- 57873153
+>>57856172
+At least she had a better idea than the brickhead before her. But, yeah, that was also the EXACT thing that happened.
+--- 57873174
+>>57862045

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+--- 57852155
+I'm a jogger and I feel vulnerable running around unarmed. For a fighting chance against pitbulls and hobos, I'd like a real small profile knife, probably a folder, and a thigh holster set up that I could have strapped under my running shorts, a lot like pic related actually. I live in California so I'm not sure what exactly the laws are but I believe to I can't conceal carry a fixed blade.
+The thigh holster is gay as hell I know, but I don't want to have some pocket knife bouncing around loosely in my shorts, that I'd have to unzip the pockets anyways to get the knife out. Ideally the knife would be flat like a douk douk.
+--- 57852302
+I don't think a thigh holster will work for jogging / running.
+ You will need something like a Hill People Gear Runners Kit Bag.
+https://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/CategoryID/1/ProductID/2
+--- 57852492
+>>57852155 (OP)
+running with a leg holster sucks ass and is retarded. if you want to run with a knife, run with a neck knife or have a lightweight running pack where you keep a fixed blade secured inside an easily accessible pocket.
+--- 57852499
+Sex with Ada
+--- 57852503
+get a gun sweetheart
+--- 57852545
+>>57852155 (OP)
+A folder would be the shittiest choice. Get an inside the waistband or horizontal belt carry sheath for a good fixed blade so you can just draw it out of the sheath and put it to use when seconds count. I recommend something like https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/terava-jaakaripuukko-110-carbon-steel/63681
+Or this which can also be used as a neck knife
+ https://www.bladehq.com/item--Cold-Steel-Tokyo-Spike-Fixed-Blade--15423
+--- 57852557
+>>57852503
+Recommend me a DAO, stainless, polymer frame, .25 or .32 acp then. I just want something to make sure the pitbull fucking suffers for attacking me.
+--- 57852592
+>>57852155 (OP)
+--- 57852602
+>>57852155 (OP)
+I think the dangers of coffee are way overblown.
+--- 57852621
+>>57852499
+Sex with Ada (She has a full auto thompson that she'll let me use after)
+--- 57852628
+>>57852155 (OP)
+You can open carry a fixed blade of any length, but you can't conceal a fixed blade if it isn't 3 inches or lower IIRC. Folding blades are the same idea.
+--- 57852678
+>>57852557
+you want a Phlster Enigma as your holster.
+>wah I spend a lot of money on holster?
+yes, because for your purposes (running), the holster is actually more important than the gun.
+carry a Glock 42 in it.
+if you cannot carry a gun, then just get a Mora Companion or some shit. if you intend to use a knife for defense, then it needs to be big (for penetration) and fixed (for quick access).
+carrying a gun will be better in the long run, and will cause less legal strain (carrying a knife in commiefornia will be looked at weirdly by officers, where if you carry a gun, you have a card to show you can do so legally, absolving you of all officer "opinions")
+--- 57852717
+>>57852557
+Kel Tec P 32. I’d honestly just go with a Gen 1 Smith &amp; Wesson M&amp;P9 Shield though
+--- 57852773
+>>57852678
+Let's be honest here, the hobos really aren't the problem where I live, as it's usually some crusty gen x white guy that wants to be alone and not bother anyone. It's the shitbulls and possibly mountain lions that I'm likely to deal with. I live in small town california in the north.
+--- 57852857
+>>57852155 (OP)
+Stick a cheap knife in your waistband like a normal person.
+--- 57852877
+>>57852857
+>HRT
+--- 57852953
+>>57852773
+shitbulls and mountain lions? even more reason to carry a gun.
+you do NOT want to fight a mountain lion with a knife.
+you want to carry a weapon. guns are the modern choice of weapon.
+--- 57853165
+>>57852857
+But I'm fat. How am I supposed to carry a pigsticker like that under my piggy little rolls?
+--- 57853176
+>>57852155 (OP)
+Pepper spray or sig p365 in 380
+--- 57856799
+This is designed as a purely defensive knife and attendant fighting system. It's innovative, but I'm not sold yet. What does /k/anon think? Did they reinvent the wheel, or just make a square wheel?
+https://www.swatmag.com/article/huttons-edge-tactical-knife-and-fighting-system/
+http://www.zerodistancedefense.com/index.html
+https://huttonsedge.com/
+--- 57857782
+>>57852155 (OP)
+most perfect Ada of any RE game ever
+demakes deserve to be removed from this world
+--- 57857916
+>>57852678
+Can you even get a concealed carry permit in Commiefornia? I haven't followed the news much in the last few years. Did California fix their gun laws yet?
+--- 57858659
+>>57852155 (OP)
+>I'm a jogger
+Recreational runner or African American?
+--- 57858693
+>>57852155 (OP)
+>I'm a jogger
+Try a hi point or glawk 40
+--- 57858721
+>>57852557
+Beretta Tomcat is DA/SA but otherwise great
+--- 57858788
+>>57857794
+That is a sexy knife.
+--- 57858921
+>>57858659
+Recreational. I love the birds, trees, and the gentle breeze on a sunny day, shame that occasionally fat cunts take pibbles out for his monthly walk on my running trails. I've had so many nigger dogs make an attempt on me.
+--- 57858945
+>>57858721
+I can't believe I forgot the tomcat existed. Still I'd prefer a polymer frame for absolute lightness.
+--- 57859070
+>>57858659
+--- 57859413
+>>57856799
+>He stated that the HETK is a defensive instrument because it and his technique target the opponent’s appendages to render them inoperable.
+>The HETK is more of a slashing tool, and the first purpose of the system is to stop the fight rather than attempt to kill the opponent.
+>In one practitioner’s opinion, the stab is the “least effective way to disable.”
+>One other advantage of the system is you don’t have to be physically fit to employ it.
+Yeah this is just like Michael Janich's retarded theory with the Yojimbo. Back in the day people kept trying to make the argument that it takes years for someone to be incapacitated by a stab. It just isn't true. If you study what sparing footage of knife situations that exist, you see people go down quick all the time, especially if you get an artery. The reality of using a knife in a self-defense context is that it will be very brief and brutal. You will not have the time or inclination to engage in any of the bullshido limb-disabling these guys talk about.
+A "defensive" knife just has to be: concealed, able to be drawn quickly, easy to grip securely, and able to stab. A knife user should be relatively athletic and understand what spots are vital targets for a knife to strike. Anyone that sells you a "knife system" where "even a fat fuck can do it" is just grifting or full of their own smoke.
+--- 57859669
+>>57859413
+Which brings up a other question, what's the best place to stab an attacking pitbull especially with one arm sacrificed to its mouth?
+--- 57859821
+>>57859669
+probably the carotid
+--- 57859837
+>>57859669
+Slash as deep as you can into the neck, try to cut arteries. If you stab and get the knife stuck you're fucked.
+--- 57860351
+Hijacking.
+This shit is what happens when you dunk hot titanium in ferric chloride. You guys happen to k ow ir any other metals react like this, say brass or copper? I know aluminum can be violent with ferric chloride.
+--- 57863153
+>>57860351
+copper alloys can be flame colored but it won't last long
+--- 57863190
+>>57860351
+Cool. Post more of that.
+--- 57865950
+>>57863190
+>>57860351
+Please do.
+--- 57867094
+>>57859669
+I purchased a 16 lb. brisket yesterday and, while cutting the fat off of it, I did a light test of stab vs. slash. That's something you could try, to get a feel. Most notable was the incredible difference between a very sharp knife and a duller knife. There's almost no point in carrying a knife if it isn't as sharp as possible, especially if slashing.
+--- 57869207
+>>57852155 (OP)
+ill tell you what you really want. a gun, cant get one?
+get a spyderco manix 2 with g10 scales, or the cheaper option is spyderco's subsidary brand, byrd harrier 2 with g10 scales. spyderco covers its basis with all scenarios for why you would need a knife, and their designs are better than others.
+--- 57872291
+>>57852877
+Apropos .
+--- 57872305
+>>57857913
+That looks like absolute trash, and that's not even considering the design itself.
+--- 57872318
+>>57863190
+>>57865950
+Here's a Kizer Vindicator I did the other day. Discontinued knife and I have a new blade on the way, may try and sell this one for $200 or so.
+--- 57872329
+>>57865950
+>>57863190
+>>57860351
+Or even better, post any information on how to accomplish that. Asking for myself.
+--- 57872472
+>>57852155 (OP)
+>tfw no pale skin slant eye gf with a thompson
+--- 57872591
+>>57852155 (OP)
+Seems like a OTF knife would be perfect for you
+--- 57872975
+>>57852155 (OP)
+Goddamn, you're dumb. SoCal-anon here Just tuck a fixed blade into your waistband if you're so worried. I've done it for years, with folders and fixed blades. How hard is that to figure out?

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+--- 57852332
+The year is 2027, NATO is at war with China and Russia. The Russians collapsed immediately, Putin was shot before the nukes could fly, and the oligarchs have capitulated. The invasion of Taiwan failed, with heavy naval losses on both sides, 100k+ Chinese dead. The Korean war 2.0 is playing out with large formations of Chinese and American troops in support of whatever Koreans are left on either side. Seoul is an irradiated wasteland. All that's left are the Chinese mainland and the North Koreans. Iran is sitting this one out due to civil unrest.
+How would this play out? Would we invade at all? Would there just be a nuclear standoff until a peace settlement was reached?
+If we were to invade, what would be the best way to do it? What do casualty figures look like? Would they collapse as soon as we reached Beijing?
+--- 57852336
+yeah
+--- 57852520
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Remilitarize Russia and send them in waves. They're clearly buck-broken enough to do it. Once both sides are spent, swoop in and finish the job. Pat Russia on the head and tell them they saved the world again and can have another parade day and an invitation to NATO.
+--- 57852894
+>>57852332 (OP)
+We would send 3rd world "allies" like Filipinos or slavs to invade, no one would care about the casualties.
+--- 57852955
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Blockade and let them starve. It’s not worth trying to invade China it’s pretty defensible in terms of the terrain and has literally millions of bodies they can feed into a meat grinder before starting to feel a strain on their manpower. Without food imports a 3rd of the population will die within a few years or they’ll start crab bucketing and NATO can pick the winner.
+--- 57853078
+>>57852332 (OP)
+chinese take anchorage
+war continues until 2070s
+nuclear holocaust soon after
+--- 57853257
+>>57852955
+> Without food imports a 3rd of the population will die within a few years
+Retard
+--- 57853473
+>>57852332 (OP)
+you dont need to invade taiwan for it to fall.
+economic sanctions, limit food and fuel imports to china, maybe some green berets/CIA glowies to start an insurgency in south and west china, and the regime will topple by itself because Xi doesn't have much competent and autonomous people left in middle management or even in his high cabinet to manage the crisis properly. Xi is like the incarnation of stalin. he has been purging everyone.
+>>57853257
+china is one of the largest importers of food and energy in the world, and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation that damaged the lands in the longterm and got rid of most farming competency in the populace.
+--- 57853738
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>Chinese industrial capacity bombed into the Stone Age
+>PLAN at the bottom of the ocean
+>US bases in Asia are craters but new ones replaced them and US/NATO continues to have air superiority
+>Vietnam on Tren on the ground
+>stalemate
+>social unrest in all countries involved puts an end to the war
+>world economy in shambles
+>everywhere is a revolution except for maybe a few places in Africa and South America
+>antichrist does his thing
+>Christ does his thing
+>aliens were also there
+>turns out everything was just consciousness, magnetism, and electricity
+> ƧΉIƬƧ ЩΣIЯD MΛП ︻̵̵̿
+--- 57853803
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Will the pajeets get to shit their way into china once the use keep them distracted on the Pacific? Or will they instead nuke themselves into oblivion with Pakistan?
+--- 57853818
+>>57852332 (OP)
+this is gay and retarded fantasy coming from that retard who can't stop trying to be famous.
+--- 57854067
+>>57853627
+>please sanction china more
+china isnt being sanctioned in any major way.
+US is one of the largest food and energy producers. If the entire world sanctioned the US then lower class people wouldnt be able to afford eggs and beef, but they wont starve. Electronic supply chain are disrupted for a year, but we'll live without phones.
+China is an industrial, urbanized society that literally destroyed their agricultural sector in the great leap forward. An industrial society that relies on importing 75% of its energy by the way. you sanction china and you get famine that is worse than the great famine, its industrial sector is gone entirely because no energy, and now the lights are off and people in the city are starving, and they cant even trade in the black market for fuel and food because their industrial capacity is gone
+--- 57854078
+>>57853473
+>and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation
+you don't know wtf you're talking about and you're being a huge faggot pretending you are.
+--- 57854166
+>>57854067
+>urbanized society that literally destroyed their agricultural sector in the great leap forwar
+>doesn't realize China is self sufficient in food. Doesn't realize China's energy import is for it's manufacturing export.
+If you sanction China you entire society break down because you won't have the parts or machinery to build a street lamp
+This is the so called américain education?
+--- 57854319
+>>57854166
+>>57854078
+>food security
+https://www.reuters.com/article/china-fertilizers-quotas-idUSKBN2OQ0KY
+no fertilizer. no food.
+>you wont have the parts or machinery to build a street lamp
+you can rebuild industrial capacity. luckily, US has good relations with canada and mexico who can trade the rest of the missing things.
+unfortunately, you cant "rebuild" energy capacity. you either have fuel or you trade for it. unfortunately for china, their immediate neighbours dont exactly like them. You can bet that malaysia, taiwan, singapore, indonesia, india, japan will comply with sanctions not because of their obedience to the UN but because they actually have an interest in seeing the CCP eat shit. No energy --> no petrochemical processing, no cheap products, no exports, no processing of fertilizers for their precious foods, no money
+Oh and lets not forget to mention their brilliant inverted triangle demographics. those one child policies during industrialization sure are doing a number.
+>inb4 russia
+i guess they can rely on russian gas (and they actually are relying on russian gas), but in case you havent noticed russia is not the most reliable ally, and neither is china, so they dont exactly trust each other. additionally, russia is also currently undergoing their own crisis.
+--- 57854335
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Count Russia on the West side, remember USA and Europe would rather prefer Ukraine to sign a piece treaty where they recover their 2021 territories while letting Russia keep Crimea to save face, in the deal Ukraine becomes a member of NATO an EU while the russian regime somewhat manages to save face.
+By 2027 the West can make a deal with Russia, in exchange for a lifting of the economic sanctions and Lend-lease 2.0, the russians attack northern China while they are already are fighting a naval war against Taiwan, USA and their pacific allies, a meatgrinder in the Himalayas against India, asymetrical warfare against Vietnam and have to keep best Korea afloat.
+Ultimately it will be like a mix of the Opium Wars and WW1 european theater all over again, with China's military getting decimated from so many enemies outnumbering even them, too many fronts and a blockade which will finally break Jinping grip on the government, I imagine he may attempt to press the button if someone at the CCP doesn't just put a bullet in his brain to avoid to break the taboo and save something, but I suspect even if that came to happen USA may already have by that point such advanced anti-ballistic systems to deny most nuclear attacks.
+I honestly can't see how China would recover from this, as they already crippled their own demographic.
+--- 57854368
+>>57854335
+I can only get so hard, broster
+--- 57854390
+>>57854166
+In fact it will be beneficial to the rest of the planet to get rid China from the economic system, go check academic works and you will find the american middle class shrunk in great measure due exporting jobs to China, as a matter of fact, it was the CCP making a devil's deal with the west elites what allowed China to lift so much of their population from poverty while the west workers faced stagnation, both sides will suffer, but it's the chinese the ones who have the most to lose as don't even think for a second western corporation owners will side with China once it becomes a liability.
+Really, do you honestly believed a nation with an ideology which predicates world revolution was holding back out of good will?
+--- 57854405
+>>57854319
+don't shift the fucking goalpost
+>and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation
+this is what you said. It's wrong. You're a dumb faggot.
+--- 57854415
+>>57854335
+NATO? 2027? lol.
+>>57854390
+> go check academic works and you will find the american middle class shrunk in great measure due exporting jobs to China
+you're a fucking moron
+--- 57854497
+>>57854405
+i can readily admit that I'm wrong about food production; I mixed it up woth their potash imports. However, it doesn't change the fact that their demographic is shite and their fuel hungry. you put sanctions on fuel and now they lose fertilizer production. sanctions would also affect potash imports. so yes, maybe sanctions on food wouldn't do shit. but sanctions in fertilizer and fuel would destroy china.
+--- 57854528
+>>57854368
+You can, listen to this while reading it:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P2QaXbWWF4&amp;t=324s [Embed]
+USA is a strange nation, they are the only major world empire in history who truly seems to prefer to use the carrot rather than the stick, they DO believe it, what is more, instead of a carrot there is burger and discount coupons for more burgers, that's why they always win in the end, even if you somehow manage to make their military go away after ruining yourself to the point of starvation you eventually fall for the smell of roasted beef coming through your window. I guess all these autocrats are vegans or something.
+--- 57854546
+>>57854415
+>NATO? 2027? lol.
+>Finland
+now go and cry to monke lord for a banana
+--- 57854565
+>>57854415
+You know outside of 4chan most people don't really hate you, but the ones who rule you want you to believe that despite ample evidence on the contrary the rank and file of humanity and even the elites would rather prefer you don't live in abject poverty, no one has any use for hobos.
+Let me ask you one question, what do you think you will achieve in the long term if you somehow manage to capture Taiwan?
+--- 57854727
+>>57854565
+Nigga wtf are you talking about? Off shoring started way before chinese entry into the wto, and it went to Mexico and SEA.
+As far as capturing taiwan, it’s one less headache for china. Taiwan is a huge security complication for China, especially given US designs to use the cross strait relationship as the lynchpin of Chinese maritime containment.
+--- 57854737
+>>57854528
+> USA is a strange nation, they are the only major world empire in history who truly seems to prefer to use the carrot rather than the stick
+This is the biggest bullshit in a thread full of bulshits.
+--- 57854745
+>>57854319
+>no fertilizer. no food.
+uhm did you even read the first link you fag?
+Did you just google it and copy the first link?
+--- 57854775
+>>57854727
+Security Complication? What security complication? They literally just sit there and sit on an island asking China to fuck off. If China were willing to negotiate an end to the standoff, it would end. China's 'negotiation' is "You become part of us immediately and we strip your people of all civil rights like we did Hong Kong."
+--- 57854776
+>>57854745
+what do you think they need to produce phosphate fertilizer smartypants?
+thats right. energy. energy they wont have if they get sanctioned
+--- 57854797
+>>57854776
+Every energy exporter is not going to simultaneously sanction them.
+--- 57854800
+>>57854776
+name 1 process that doesn't need energy.
+are you are retarded by any chance?
+--- 57854837
+oh and were you implying that China imported oil to make fertilizers?
+wow. that's very smart. I bet you are from Taiwan or some kind of SEANIG. Nowadays you are all the same with the diversity BS going on.
+>>57854775
+when the KMT was still strong, they did negotiated but was told to fuck off. You don't get play coy when you become weak kek.
+--- 57854840
+>>57854800
+which makes china's reliance on energy imports even worse. thanks for proving my own point.
+>>57854797
+they dont have to. again, china imports 75% of its energy. lets be generous and say that it falls by 20% from sanctions initially, ramping up further and further over time. What so you think happens to chinese society and economy.
+--- 57854884
+>>57854840
+>china imports 75% of its energy
+lol
+lmao even
+I am arguing with a monke
+--- 57854898
+>>57854840
+>What so you think happens to chinese society and economy.
+If we're talking about a full war economy, which is really the only condition I could see sanctions like that happening, they would have shut down all their useless thingamabob factories. They would have enough energy for fertilizer. Remember Japan could prosecute a full invasion of south east asia even after getting sanctioned
+--- 57854934
+>>57854775
+> They literally just sit there and sit on an island asking China to fuck off.
+You’re a fucking retard and don’t know shit.
+--- 57854958
+>>57854737
+"I may be an asshole but I'm not a 100% dick."
+--- 57854980
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Isolating them from technology, energy and food supply would be enough to destroy them, wouldn't be good for US and world but much better than all out war or nuke exchange.
+--- 57854987
+Invading China sounds completely retarded, like attempting to invade the USA
+nothing would make it worthwhile.
+--- 57855007
+>>57853627
+>PLAN successfully projecting beyond its own borders in a global conflict
+Thats a wild fantasy novel you're writing
+--- 57855027
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>The Korean war 2.0 is playing out with large formations of Chinese and American troops in support of whatever Koreans are left on either side. Seoul is an irradiated wasteland. All that's left are the Chinese mainland and the North Koreans. Iran is sitting this one out due to civil unrest.
+North Korean brass literally joke about the war with the south never coming. There is exactly zero desire with conflict with the south, meanwhile China literally tried to have Kim Un killed in a quiet coup that resulted in several of his family members dead (some of whom China was backing lol).
+--- 57855051
+Why even invade China, seems like too much of a "mainland invasion of Japan" sort of situation to be truly considered.
+Why not just take the "nuclear option" and fully blockade it from the SEA straits or from the shore if naval supremacy has been attained.
+--- 57855061
+>>57854898
+You know, China's biggest flaw is having this belief about every single chinese being expendable in order to achieve the great leader's goals "for the greater good", it's only when you learn to appreciate the individual when true prosperity can be achieve, because ultimately it's the individuals, however flawed and easy to corrupt, the ones who made a society, not the other way around.
+>>57854934
+Why don't you run a poll with taiwanese people? Let's see what they think about becoming part of China.
+--- 57855127
+>>57853627
+Imagine the CCP council making a PPT presentation about how the war in Taiwan is going when suddenly the audio systems are hacked and they hear the most fearsome thing ever:
+>GOOD MORNING SIRS!
+--- 57855150
+>>57855051
+A lot of Chinese just under half are very anti-CCP
+because of one man, millions were barricaded in their homes for 3 years with no work, no means of living, no food and even when the building was on fire. many died starving but this is routine for communists. where they go, mass death and ruination follow
+covid really opened the eyes of the chinese people, that's why there is so much less shilling nowadays by chink idiots and also the government apparatus is visibly scared in their propaganda
+--- 57855352
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>Invading a nuclear power.
+>Get glassed from this plant
+>Fuck around and find out lmao
+--- 57855402
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>Would we invade at all?
+whatever for? if they start a war: just bomb and starve them until they start behaving
+--- 57855473
+>>57855127
+what the fuck is wrong with india
+--- 57855477
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>2027
+>Russia still being a threat to anyone
+>Russia still even existing
+If you're going to larp or shitpost, at least make it believable.
+--- 57855487
+>>57855477
+Ukraine vs Russia war will last 4 years
+--- 57855493
+That map is unrealistic. An invasion into China from India, especially northwest India, isn't happening. You're forgetting the borders are mountainous.
+A land invasion into China is only geographically realistic from Myanmar and Vietnam.
+--- 57855512
+>>57855061
+>Switched to shitposting because he ran out of dumb arguments
+lmao
+--- 57855519
+>>57852332 (OP)
+do people even live close to the nepalese border? it's all mountains and plateaus several km above sea level, it must be miserable beyond belief
+--- 57855545
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>How would this play out?
+Your fantasy is so stupid I suggest adding ponies and Warhammer characters. That you didn't instantly implode from shame at the idea of sharing it says a lot about you and nothing good.
+It's so stupid it's not even cool fun fantasy. It's a singularity of duh.
+--- 57855554
+>>57853627
+>Your mind on Ching Chong
+--- 57855567
+>>57854067
+>If the entire world sanctioned the US then lower class people wouldnt be able to afford eggs and beef,
+Honestly they still would. Basic food products are so abundant in the US that they could feed the entire world if they wanted to and used their land efficiently, ie. onions and corn instead of McGregor's 5800 acre organic beef farm.
+--- 57855641
+>>57855487
+What is your point..?
+--- 57857672
+>>57855127
+>2023 same population
+>2030 (prediction) doubling the gap
+In just 8 years.
+--- 57857688
+>>57857672
+*2022
+--- 57857722
+>>57855567
+Then why is food getting more expensive in America while staying the same in china?
+--- 57857775
+>>57855150
+>A lot of Chinese just under half are very anti-CCP
+What kind of propaganda bubble you live in? American probably. Reminder that the great firewall of china exists for YOUR protection
+>>57854727
+>Chinese maritime containment.
+Chinese warships surround Taïwan and police strait traffic while the US navy ran away as they always do
+--- 57859145
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Imagine Vietnam, Korea or Operation Downfall but with a terrain 50x larger, with mountains (deathtraps) and cities (deathtraps) to clear and against a military at 0.75% the capability of USA and armed with a fully functioning nuclear triad including HGV's.
+Retard.
+>>57857688
+Churchill was right, they breed like cockroaches.
+If America was clever it would do an Iran vs Iraq, or Ukraine vs Russia. Arm both sides (covertly/overtly) and force India and China to slug it out for a decade before pacifying both countries and installing favourable rulers.
+--- 57859275
+>>57852955
+China does not have the manpower to face off against the world. It only has enough to make it difficult.
+--- 57859291
+>>57855473
+Democracy is unable to stop subhumans breeding.
+--- 57859479
+>>57855061
+>Why don't you run a poll with taiwanese people? Let's see what they think about becoming part of China.
+are you actually retarded or do you not understand Taiwan is full of US SIGINT and HUMINT TODAY and the US had nuclear weapons on Taiwan pointed at China until the 72?
+Do you know who came up with the Taiwan ADIZ? THE US.
+--- 57859536
+>>57857775
+Lmao
+--- 57859560
+>>57852955
+This plan ends in the Chinese firing off their nuclear arsenal in a coutner-value strike just to spite everybody. Probably after building a couple hundred extra warheads and missiles beforehand.
+You don't play stupid fuck-fuck games like trying to starve a nuclear power to death without winning some astonishingly stupid prizes for it.
+--- 57860023
+no smartie pants plans ITT
+--- 57860045
+>>57859560
+>MUH NUKES
+kek chang melty
+--- 57860048
+>>57857775
+>Reminder that the great firewall of china exists for YOUR protection
+more like our sanity, I wish India would follow china's lead and keep all of their citizens in a little propagandized bubble
+--- 57860313
+>>57852332 (OP)
+everyone forgets the chinks have about 50M minorities to eat before they start starving
+--- 57860427
+>>57859560
+Call me when china can even hit the same city they're aiming at.
+--- 57860467
+>>57860313
+50m minorities
+30 million living in caves
+countless undocumented bastards of the One Child Policy
+Honestly these people are more likely to take over china than be eaten by it, Most have never been in a school or received anything but violence from the party.
+Regular Han fucking suck as fighting. If the splinter-chinese who have been living in caves for the last hundred years show up and start rampaging, most chinese will just stand there staring like cattle while they're killed, we've all seen how they react in rekt footage.
+--- 57860484
+>>57857722
+Staying the same? You niggers literally just reopened communal rice halls. You know, those things that worked out so well for you last time?
+The Chinese consume ten million gallons of sewer-oil a year.
+--- 57860606
+>>57857775
+the wall is not to keep Chinese citizens from accessing Western media. It's to keep the West from accessing Chinese internal eco system.
+Ask yourself: is it easier to access the outside internet from within China or is it easier to access Chinese service from outside?
+The former is piss easy, even a child can do it. Now the second, even the glow niggers in Langley cannot reliably do it.
+That's how most of the "top secret" leaky of Chinese amunition/armor spec "leaks" are just literal screencap of what they show on TV regularly.
+You may ask then why don't sexpats in China make a living by "leaking" these shit regularly?
+It's simple they cannot understand Chinese LMAO. Even if they have lived there for 20 years.
+--- 57860736
+>>57854319
+Russia can provide both fertilizer, food and fuel and coal to China. And Russia is the biggest producer of all of those at different times.
+Which is why friendly relations with Russia is of such importance to China. Friendly Russia completelly covers Northern flank of China, allowing them to concentrate resources on the East and South. To this end China is even Ok if Russia is influential in Central Asia, because Stable Central Asia provides safe Western flank for China, allowing them to not bother covering this flank.
+Whatever idea of "Owning" or "Dealing with" China you have - China knows about it for decades and prepared for it. How do they know about it? Because Chinese can read English and they can read Americans bragging about "blockading China and starving China". And so Chinese prepared for that.
+But whats funny is that you don't know how China can deal with you - because you don't know Chinese and Chinese are not dumb enough to tell you about their plans in English. So fuck around and find out.
+--- 57860879
+>>57859560
+This
+The obvious solution is a First Strike in China.
+--- 57860894
+>>57860736
+>If you block of the vast majority of China's trade they'll just instantly pivot their entire economy lol
+This is how people think when their only experience with conflict or business is in video games.
+--- 57861536
+>>57860894
+touche'. How's that trade war going? Easy to win?
+>i buy at walmart. therefore, walmart is dependent on me
+lol
+lmao even
+--- 57861573
+>>57861536
+>How's that trade war going? Easy to win?
+which one? none of them impact me personally
+--- 57862931
+>>57861573
+>none of them impact me personally
+if you live in the US it certainly impacts you.
+--- 57863006
+Just hit them with the same sanctions used on Russia. China is so resource dependent it would collapse. Mongola, Tibet, Vietnam, Korea, Kazakhstan, Kyrgzstan Myanmar and Russia can all claim clay. The rest of china is broken up into separate regions.
+--- 57863589
+>>57860894
+China has several years worth of grain stored. That buys them plenty of time.
+--- 57863836
+>>57852955
+Where did this stupid fucking meme come from? Do people even bother to think through the shit they here propagandists say?
+China produced 25% of world grain and only has about 20% of the world population. It is a major rice exporter. A little over a decade ago China didn't import any better cereal crops.
+>But YouTubers, Tucker, and /pol/ talk about their food sufficiency falling to 67% from 94% in 2000. They have sources and graphs.
+And those sources are correct, but you have to know what those figures mean. They are about the share of food/feed for final consumption in China.
+China didn't loose tons of arable land or forget how to farm over the last two decades. What happened is that food grown in China got relatively more expensive due to gains in foreign productivity and because wages rose dramatically. Since more Chinese can work in non-farming jobs, wages need to be higher to get labor. Chinese land, overall, is also not a fertile as that of other major food exporters.
+So China imports more because it is cheaper. Chinese farming decreased due to competition but could be restarted in a war, and they still make 95% of their own cereals and are net exporting calories from cereals.
+The ratios aren't about calories, what keeps people alive, but in $ amounts. China got richer and eats way, way more meat and out of season fresh produce. This is significantly more expensive and also is more likely to be imports (either meat itself or the feed).
+China can and does produce enough calories to keep their population alive. Currently they are getting more obese. 42% of adults there are overweight or obese now.
+Losing imports would cause high prices and force people to eat differently and even likely actual hunger problems in some regions (more to food be rerouted to rich Han areas from minority areas realistically) but some huge % or even a % dying of starvation is fucking retarded.
+--- 57863894
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>2027
+This is cope. You have until June.
+--- 57863903
+>>57852332 (OP)
+to be honest,the best way to cripple infrastructure would be to send a F35 squadron to the three gorges dam and send some trollage their way
+if China is gonna have any anti air presence in that area (likely) its possibly still easilly disrupted by a E/A-18 growler or more f35's specced for AG operations
+--- 57863905
+>>57853473
+China has high food self sufficiency rate than the US until the mid-2000s.
+China has higher food self sufficiency than some wealthier nations, e.g. the UK, Japan.
+It is eating way, way more meat now and way, way more oil. They're wouldn't starve without exports, they would just go back to eating meat occasionally, stop frying shit, and get unfat.
+A funny thing about food supply is that it increases health and life expectancy at first, moving up from low levels, peaks, and then begins making people less healthy as food becomes relatively more affordable.
+--- 57863926
+>>57863905
+true,that is funny OP,dosage is important for anything
+--- 57863973
+So what's going to happen to Ukraine after we pivot to Taiwan? More importantly, what's going to happen to the ukrainian shill farms that police nu-/k/?
+--- 57863986
+>>57860736
+>and Chinese are not dumb enough to tell you about their plans in English
+lmao, they tell us their plans all the time
+--- 57864144
+>>57852332 (OP)
+>How would this play out?
+Establish a naval blockade preventing even food items to be delivered to them. They'll starve by the dozens of millions and probably start eating each other within 6 months. Negotiate with them and demand a total surrender of their nuclear capabilities and assets, along with complete demilitarization of their conventional forces or their entire population will be starved to death.
+--- 57864230
+>>57863905
+China just reopened communal rice halls (yknow, those helped out so much last time) and the Chinese consume over ten million gallons of sewage oil every year.
+--- 57864316
+>>57863903
+The three gorges dam is like 1000 miles away from Okinawa. I get that F-35 is "stealth" but I don't think they make it there with a E/A-18 in tow.
+--- 57864334
+>>57864316
+Obviously,thats why its not the prime objective,i said this with forward operating bases and like with troops and land already taken.
+obviously a strike from taiwan to the 3 gorges dam would not be possible...
+--- 57865005
+>>57852332 (OP)
+More interesting is how would you defend China with a 3 front war in the west, south, and east. Assume Russia is neutral. How do you defend yourself from the pajeets in the himalayas, japs in the east, and americans in the east and south? No nukes for either side. Assume south korea is preoccupied with an invasion in north korea, but they may break through and invade the Northeast.
+The biggest issue is the pajeets in the west. I don't see any easy way of neutralizing them just because there's so many of them and you may need to go deep into India. If the western front has a quick end, maybe with China settling borders in India's favor, the defense in the east would be much easier. The northeast is chill because of how the borders are drawn.
+--- 57865118
+>>57865005
+>Assume south korea is preoccupied with an invasion in north korea
+It's never going to happen. The north is completely disinterested in renewing that conflict, it's all just for show.
+--- 57865204
+>>57865005
+>Assume Russia is neutral.
+Based retard.
+--- 57865223
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Realistically, I highly doubt we would ever put boots on the ground aside from special forces strikes or whatever, maybe outlying islands, but China just has too many fucking people and is too big to invade and subdue. Much more likely that we would interdict trade in the Indian Ocean and maybe tit for tat strike at fuel storage and the nascent Russian pipeline infrastructure if they attacked US bases during a Taiwan invasion. China's fuel supply is all imported and almost all of it comes through the Indian Ocean.
+>>57854166
+China is not food secure when you consider agricultural inputs. We build the machines that Chinese use to make most cheap Chinese shit. Loss of China's manufacturing base would be temporarily painful but it is absolute pure hopium to think it would actually cause a societal breakdown rather than a few years of heightened inflation and general economic malaise as supply chains readjust. Loss of foreign capital, foreign export markets and large portions of the global agricultural and energy markets would cause far, far more economic pain to China than what China is even capable of inflicting on the collective west or USA alone.
+--- 57865244
+>>57865223
+>China's fuel supply is all imported
+implessive
+--- 57865245
+>>57865005
+>defend yourself from the pajeets in the himalayas
+Logistics constraints
+>japs in the east
+It'd be fun watching the Japanese parliament justifying amphibious landing capacities for the SDF
+>and americans in the east and south?
+America has never conducted an amphibious assault against the mainland of a country with a comparable navy. Truth is, landing spots aren't exactly dime a dozen.
+--- 57865342
+>>57864144
+Based retard
+--- 57865659
+>>57863894
+What's the implication here? Joe Biden dies and NATO vanishes along with him?
+--- 57865789
+>>57865659
+China interfered in the 2020 election so that the demented retard would be left unprepared for their summer 2023 Taiwan invasion.
+--- 57865910
+Umm... The year is 2023, NATO is not at war with China, and no open conflict between it and Russia. Putin still rules over Russia, the oligarchs are still in control, Taiwan has not been invaded, WAY more than 100k Chinese have died, and Seoul is doing just fine.
+Fucking dumbass.
+--- 57866611
+>>57860736
+>russia can provide fertilizer, food, fuel, and coal
+i have some bad news for you.
+https://delano.lu/article/russia-depends-on-western-tech
+like i said, russia is currently undergoing its own crisis. its demographics is shit with constant brain drain because nobody competent wants to live in a mafia state, and its geography is just unfortunate, with most land being inhospitable and the hospitable land being flatlands that are a security threat. then just consider the maintenance, technology, and manpower needed to hoist/pipeline gas, coal, fertilizer, food to at eastern china from siberia which is closest to china.
+And thats not even considering the ukraine war yet, where theyved gotten tens of thousands of their everyday civilians killed, with many more running from conscription, further destroying local expertise. And then there's the sanction on western tech which russia actually needs to keep their manufacturing and energy processing and production industry running.
+>chinese are not dumb enough
+chinese don't have to be stupid. they're running their system stupidly because its a one man state under Xi where he purged everyone competent who could be a threat to his power. not to mention that nobody brings him any bad news because they're scared. Again, this is the same china that claimed they destroyed COVID as soon as western journalists left, created a shit vaccine that no other countries wanted, and then surprise surprise beijing now has a pandemic, xi calls for complete lockdown and millions lose work and savings, not only that but because of the lack of natural immunity because of tight lockdowns and the shit vaccines, doctors were overwhelmed.
+--- 57866981
+>>57864230
+US operates soup kitchen and eat themselves to insulin induced death. What’s your point?
+--- 57866988
+>>57865223
+> We build the machines that Chinese use to make most cheap Chinese shit.
+You’re a fucking moron who’s never looked up the CAPITAL GOODS chinese import category.
+--- 57867232
+>>57866981
+Soup kitchens havent
+1. put local businesses out of business
+2. Appeared before massive turmoil and failed at their one job so spectacularly even the most loyal patriots cringe at their very mention
+Funny that you equate low quality unhealthy food to the actual sewage being used by the millions of gallons to cook in China.
+--- 57867242
+>>57865245
+>America has never conducted an amphibious assault against the mainland of a country with a comparable navy.
+And considering no comparable navy exists, this trend will continue regardless of who we go to war with.
+--- 57867245
+>>57866611
+the shit Chinese vaccines is exactly the tell that Chinese weapons will be shit
+they are producing both things in a vacuum with whatever they can copy or steal, and the people who do this never have to take any responsibility for it
+--- 57867312
+>>57867245
+>t. a fucking moron
+--- 57867631
+>dude just eat only rice for years dude we're self sufficient in food
+--- 57867696
+>>57867312
+You will always be subhuman, chink.
+--- 57868269
+>>57867696
+>a room temp iq poverty mutt calling anybody subhuman
+KEK
+E
+K
+the irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
+--- 57868279
+>>57852332 (OP)
+Threaten to Bomb the Three Gorges dam if China doesn't surrender.
+Win.
+--- 57868761
+>>57852332 (OP)
+It makes no sense to attempt a ground invasion. Instead, the smart play is to cut off china's sea access, cruise missile its fuel stockpiles, pipelines and railroads from russia, then wait two years and watch as they eat each other because their agricultural sector can't produce without fuel to run all the machines.
+Also if you think that the chinese fleet can keep its supply routes open, you're delusional. Their navy is built for local force projection, and can only carry out small missions further out from their bases. Tankers moving fuel to china from oil-producing nations need to travel vast distances in the open seas where they are trivially easy targets. To keep them secure they'd need to escort them the whole way for which they haven't got enough warships; whereas any interdictors can drop off a boarding parties on multiple vessels a day, and that's if they're not willing to accept an oil spill and simply missile the damned things. Once it's clearly demonstrated to the tanker operators that their vessels WILL get seized or sunk if they move fuel to china, they'll stop on their own; you can't make a profit when all your ships are under arrest at port.
+--- 57872206
+>>57868269
+No gun no opinion post gun
+--- 57872344
+>>57867245
+>>57867696
+>>57872206
+Please take more mRNA vax, please be a good guineas pig.
+>>57868761
+I'm sure a fleet of outdated 30yr old ships can blockade the largest fleet of modern warships of the world. You american have qing dynasty tier delusion
+--- 57873183
+>>57872344
+>PLAN is better than USN copium
+post aircraft carriers lmfao.
+But, lets even humor your copium for a second and pretend that the USN cant blockade china. it doesnt even have to blockade chinese ports lmao.
+like i said, chinese southeast neighbours (vietnam, indonesia, philippines, malaysia, singapore, japan, SK, australia) arent too fond of china. they will patrol their own sea lanes and enforce chinese sanctions because china treats all its neighbours like shit.
+all america has to do is park a carrier group in the persian gulf and the red sea, and there goes iranian and arabic oil. you can figure out what happens then.
+--- 57873232
+>>57873183
+post missile defense system capable of intercepting maneuvering HGVs
+t. not even him

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+-----
+--- 57853262
+How would a woman conceal a handgun or knife in a dress that is almost totally skintight?
+I’m writing a scene where a woman needs to infiltrate some kind of fancy dress party
+--- 57853286
+>>57853262 (OP)
+--- 57853310
+>>57853262 (OP)
+anything you can write about women wouldn't be realistic so I wouldn't worry so much about it
+--- 57853332
+vagoo
+--- 57853384
+>>57853262 (OP)
+--- 57853392
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Cooter Carry
+--- 57853401
+>>57853262 (OP)
+classic pocket pistol in a thigh strap
+--- 57853409
+>>57853262 (OP)
+slide the barrel up the vagene, that was she has easy access to the handle and he can do a quickdraw.
+If anyone asks about the bulge just call them a transphobe.
+--- 57853410
+>>57853310
+It was an actual plot point in this movie that Bond acquired a backwards-firing gun from Q and gave it to his love interest, knowing that women are so useless, she would be disarmed immediately when confronted and the bad guy who took her gun would then inadvertently kill himself trying to operate it
+--- 57853438
+>>57853286
+Has anyone asked the ATF what that would be classified as? If not, I might ask
+--- 57853556
+>>57853262 (OP)
+They have an extra pocket for a reason
+--- 57853710
+>>57853262 (OP)
+If her boobs were big enough presumably she could hide a small pistol in the space under one
+--- 57853777
+>>57853262 (OP)
+In her gaping cavernous vagina
+--- 57853787
+>>57853710
+Imagine how sweaty it would get, underneath those heaving breasts...
+--- 57853877
+>>57853710
+Are large breasts a tactical advantage in this case?
+--- 57853885
+>>57853401
+Even easier, handbag. Depending on the bag you might even be able to carry something full-sized.
+--- 57853887
+>>57853262 (OP)
+In the dress itself. A hidden pocket in a flow area. Also, her hair if done correctly can hide a fucking RPG damned near. Hair accoutrements can easily be hidden weapons especially if disassembled. Platform shoes can also hide significant weaponry. You can also go with certain materials that when dry move with the fabric or move as fabric but once wet, become rigid carbon blades. We haven't even gotten into jewelry that can administer poisons, deadly toxin dart guns disguised as bracelets or necklace, daggers hidden as high heels or even an elegant high heel that's actually a small caliber pistol.. Shit, that's with me pretty drunk, tired and off the top of my head...
+--- 57853899
+>>57853262 (OP)
+If she has help she could have hidden it inside the establishment beforehand?
+--- 57853939
+>>57853438
+Is.. is it a stock?
+--- 57853953
+Idk how fiction/sci-fi/realistic is has to be, but maybe one of the heels on her shoes is secretly a single shot 22 or something that can be detached and fired.
+--- 57853956
+>>57853286
+round base butt plugs suck
+you want the thinner base that fits between the cheeks, much more comfortable and better for long term wear.
+--- 57853978
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Jill Bearup literally has a video about this exact thing
+--- 57853980
+OP here, thanks for the ideas. Any suggestions for a small compact handgun?
+--- 57853989
+>>57853956
+true but it only really matters with the larger sizes, beginner plugs are fine with the round base
+--- 57853996
+>>57853262 (OP)
+How does that stay on without something snagging on and ripping it off? How do women do it
+--- 57854013
+>>57853978
+correction, she has several videos about this
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ5Z6awBSb8 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/pcEUSRAFi9w [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDUps4lW07s [Embed]
+--- 57854103
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Realistically? She wouldn’t. She’d wear something specifically so that she could conceal something.
+Unrealistically?
+Cooter carry
+--- 57854116
+>>57853996
+I feel bad for women that high heels are a thing.
+Hell there's been times I've pained my ankle in the street wearing my boots just stepping wrong.
+--- 57854133
+>>57854103
+Cooter carry can easily fit large objects. Siswet could conceal a SEAL team. Moids are basically hollow hence their ability to hold large litters and birth them at full auto.
+--- 57854142
+>>57853989
+depends how fat your ass is
+--- 57854182
+>>57853262 (OP)
+--- 57854212
+>>57854116
+Heels accentuate the lumbar curve. Looking more enjoyable to fuck is prerogative number one and is worth any price.
+It is astonishing though that women aren’t walking around with their ankles in casts 24/7.
+--- 57854393
+>>57853996
+>How does that stay on without something snagging on and ripping it off?
+The train is gathered up when she's not on the red carpet, she just needs to bunch it in one hand when standing up from her table when going up to collect her award. There are ushers who will help too and she might have an assistant designated for it.
+For how it stays on generally, it might well be sewn shut but even if not, the top is glued to her breasts, either by liquid glue or transparent double-sided tape designed for the purpose.
+That's how all those premiere dresses avoid wardrobe malfunctions when otherwise they'd be falling off breasts left and right.
+Tape and glue are a big part of the dressing room when professional fashion dressers prepare their clients.
+Same thing for runway shows, music videos and similar stuff obviously.
+--- 57854598
+>>57853262 (OP)
+have her steal a weapon with her distractions
+or you know, have her plant it before hand
+or have an accomplice simp take all the risk and give it to her
+or have her rip her dress off because it can turn rigid with a chemical or electrical current
+or have her smuggle it drug mule style. bonus points for using the same condom in a sex scene
+--- 57854611
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Early 20th century woman would order special hairpins made out of spring steel that were reaaaallly sharp on the end. Also, they carried muffs. And they carried tiny handguns like the baby Browning in their muffs, and these were called muff guns. Stop giggling.
+--- 57854621
+>>57854182
+is that a bottle opener on the heel?
+--- 57854664
+>>57853262 (OP)
+In between flaps of fat.
+--- 57855052
+Pretend to be pregnant and hide an arsenal of weapons inside their prosthetic pregnant belly.
+--- 57855076
+Something real small, tucked up by the goods.
+--- 57855109
+>>57853401
+Look at the picture in the OP more closely. There is no place on either of her thighs that wouldn't be visible from some angle when she moves.
+--- 57855118
+>>57855052
+Congratulations, it’s an IED! Now just let me cut the cord…
+--- 57855119
+>>57853980
+Derringers are the classic for the role.
+--- 57855147
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Inside natures pocket. You'd probably want to wrap the gun up in something waterproof (it can get kind of gooey up in there, and you don't want to ruin the finish or gunk up the action) which would slow the draw down even more. The only other option would be to strap it to the side of her face, which might not be 'concealed' technically, but I guarantee you that almost nobody is going to see the gun while she's dressed like that.
+--- 57855260
+>>57855109
+What do you mean? Are you talking about the vent on the back of her skirt? Those aren't as open as in that picture during normal wear.
+--- 57855416
+>>57855260
+Are you saying it magically sews itself when nobody is taking a picture?
+--- 57855612
+>>57855416
+Nevermind, I thought you were talking about the girl wearing the pencil skirt showing off the thigh holster for some reason.
+--- 57855659
+>>57853262 (OP)
+in her wig.
+--- 57855910
+If you have big enough assets you can hide quite a bit of gear in the underboob region.
+--- 57856220
+>>57853409
+>and he can do a quickdraw
+E.G.:
+https://youtu.be/4tk8rlh9oeA [Embed]
+--- 57856258
+>>57856250
+is that may marmalade?
+--- 57856325
+>>57853777
+Tried and true.
+--- 57856357
+You know how, you're just afraid to say it
+--- 57856378
+>>57853262 (OP)
+She wouldn't.
+The point of women's dress is that she's harmless, often hampered by her own clothes and mostly naked so she can't conceal anything and is at mercy of guys around her.
+--- 57856546
+>>57854133
+>hold large litters and birth them at full auto.
+Kek, made me laugh
+--- 57856553
+>>57853286
+Am I seeing this correctly?
+>clench ass
+>gun fires
+--- 57856559
+>>57854133
+Hey also, moid is the term femcels (self-described) use for men. It derives from “foid”, which is what the blackpillosphere uses for women. The femcels stole the term because they are women and thus unoriginal and can’t meme kek.
+Female humanoid organism > femoid > foid
+--- 57856605
+>>57853262 (OP)
+I can conceal my dick inside a woman, and it's a pretty big caliber, so I'm pretty sure a woman can hide quite a lot of hardware on account of women being whores.
+--- 57856819
+>>57856605
+>>57853262 (OP)
+There are women who can literally birth twins simultaneously.
+There are women who can take two liter bottles with room to spare for a hand.
+--- 57858142
+>>57854182
+picrel
+>>57853980
+derringers are probably the most concealable, although if it has to be an automatic I'd say something like the beretta tomcat or other subcompact pocket guns
+--- 57858415
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Hairpin dagger.
+--- 57858429
+>>57853980
+--- 57858435
+>>57853438
+Wouldn't it be an AOW like penguns, watch guns, lighter guns, and other retarded spyshit?
+--- 57858451
+>>57853877
+Large breasts are always a tactical advantage
+--- 57858592
+Neck collar that is also a holster with a snub-nosed revolver or any other tiny guns, then cover the back with thick black hair or better hair colour that matches the gun and holster lol
+--- 57858612
+>>57858592
+>neck collar
+*choker
+--- 57858665
+>>57858612
+I hardly knew her...
+--- 57858709
+>>57858451
+Yes
+--- 57858759
+>>57853262 (OP)
+make in modern day, she can pretend to be a dyke and wear a suit
+--- 57858804
+>>57853262 (OP)
+>ctrl+f “purse”
+>nothing
+???
+Didn’t Scaramanga have a gun made from like a lighter and a pen?
+--- 57858824
+>>57853286
+truly a tool for an assassin
+--- 57858832
+>>57853262 (OP)
+non metallic blade hidden inside the shoe
+--- 57858865
+>>57853262 (OP)
+The real answer would be to just not wear a dress that make concealed carry difficult. If she has an accomplice that can pose as busboy or kitchen staff, the weapon could simply brought in before hand and stashed somewhere.
+--- 57858877
+>>57855118
+>"Congratulations, it’s an IED! Now just let me cut the cord…"
+>"Uhh, doctor, there are three cords..."
+>"Damn it! Which one do we need to cut?!"
+--- 57858881
+>>57853262 (OP)
+What kind of scene/story are you writing for? Like presumably it is something semi-realistic and set in a modern day type of era?
+--- 57858887
+>>57858804
+Someone used the term "handbag" instead of purse.
+--- 57858907
+Make her a gypsy Romani, and she can carry full tactical gear inside her skirt.
+--- 57858936
+>>57858907
+>and she can carry full tactical gear inside her skirt.
+thats not going to remain undetected in a security search
+--- 57858954
+>>57858936
+>searching through gypsy woman's dress
+See you in court, bigot.
+--- 57858960
+>>57858907
+And then she gets kicked out because Euros hate gypsies (for good reason)
+--- 57858990
+>>57858539
+>dude is that like a 9mm audio jack damn you must be a real audiophile. You like Steely Dan dude?
+--- 57859004
+>>57853956
+>>57853989
+--- 57859016
+>>57858709
+--- 57859050
+>>57854133
+Ban fully automatic assault roasties
+--- 57859085
+>>57853262 (OP)
+By putting it up her vagina.
+--- 57859115
+>>57859085
+What if she hides a fully-armed commando midget up ger vagina, then goes into the bathroom to birth him, from there he gets into the vents to further infiltrate the building.
+--- 57859231
+>>57853262 (OP)
+- belt buckle gun like the SS did
+- small derringer in a condom up her vagoo
+- voluminous hair in a bun with small gun inside
+--- 57859811
+Have chinese hair pins that are actually daggers
+--- 57859888
+>>57859811
+weeb
+--- 57860236
+>>57853410
+That's a parody movie
+--- 57860334
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Why do women dress like whores?
+--- 57860737
+>>57860334
+ask yer mum
+--- 57860897
+>>57860737
+I can't she's sleeping she works 11pm to 6am or at least thats what she says but sometimes I see her just standing on the corner taking a smoke so IDK
+--- 57860933
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Belly band small of back holster
+--- 57860953
+>>57853410
+Peter sellers and woody allen did a bond movie? How the fuck did I not know about this.
+--- 57861286
+>>57855109
+Hot
+--- 57861365
+>>57856378
+You can absolutely carry a gun in most dresses. Don't ask me how I know.
+--- 57861488
+>>57861365
+I don't need to. You wear dresses.
+--- 57861504
+>>57861365
+What kind of dresses do you wear and what kind of guns can you conceal in them anon?
+--- 57861578
+>>57859004
+you are on /k/ friend
+get used to it
+--- 57861599
+>>57861488
+Damn, you got me
+>>57861504
+I like pinafores and sundresses and they're both extremely easy to carry and conceal in with an enigma
+--- 57861626
+>>57861504
+>>57861599
+Oh right, what kinds of guns. I usually carry a microcompact but you can definitely get away with sub/compacts or even full size handguns depending on the dress style. A lot of dresses are designed to flare out to make hips look wider so it's easy to hide stuff under them.
+--- 57861990
+>>57854621
+yes, my friend had a pair of shoes like this. they're for strippers, and it's a fun way to help customers open their bottles
+--- 57862015
+>>57858435
+nigger what do you think
+--- 57862021
+>>57861504
+Not that anon, but your reminder that skirts with a petticoat to get them a bit of floofiness are the ultimate concealed carry garment. With traditional pockets, that were just a hole, you can conceal pretty much anything that isn't longer than the skirt.
+--- 57862027
+Why is she leaving the house without a male relative?
+--- 57863222
+>>57853262 (OP)
+corset
+--- 57863830
+>>57853262 (OP)
+--- 57863980
+>>57853980
+snub nose revolver
+--- 57864007
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kOIAOC-t2o [Embed]
+--- 57864034
+>>57853262 (OP)
+--- 57864299
+>>57853262 (OP)
+in her vag
+--- 57865212
+>>57858539
+if laptops werent 90% shitty macbook airs, you could have a laptop gun
+--- 57865271
+>>57855961
+Viet and Korean girls in LA will keep razor blades in their hair when they go out clubbing.
+--- 57865324
+>>57859888
+thats just been a thing before that anime got popular.
+before anime, period.
+--- 57865939
+>>57865271
+Uh...*sniff* based?
+--- 57865988
+>>57864034
+Really fucking disappointed I had to scroll this far to see it.
+--- 57866815
+>>57865271
+Gillette?
+--- 57866866
+>>57855961
+Unironically, this could work in a serious way with those tempered glass chopsticks; you've probably seen the style. Snap one at the right angle and you've got a pretty sharp edge.
+--- 57867031
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Do what Asian women in movies do and have her hair be held up with those Ling metal pins/spikes. Could be called fashionable without immediately seeming like a weapon. If you want a gun the answer is simple: she planted inside beforehand.
+--- 57867041
+>>57867031
+Long, not Ling
+>t filthy phone poster
+--- 57867108
+Dragon magazine had an issue with espionage (I forgot which issue).
+They disassembled a crossbow and blended the parts into a party costume. Players could then sneak the crossbow into a gala event and reassemble it for an assassination or a hit.
+So if you're okay with taking apart the gun, you could hide the individual parts as components of the dress, or as jewelry. Have a badass scene where the character quickly reassembled the weapon for immediate use.
+--- 57867789
+>>57853939
+A buttstock
+--- 57867960
+>>57853262 (OP)
+Might be able to stash a browning 25acp somewhere depending on the dress, or a deringer
+--- 57868016
+>>57853262 (OP)
+You could do something like the golden gun where the gun is disassembled into her jewlery or part of her high heels or something.
+--- 57869377
+Get a flat-chested lady to wear a padded bra that has a hand grenade hidden in each cup
+--- 57869405
+>>57853262 (OP)
+CIA has a manual on how to put it in your butthole
+--- 57869460
+>>57867108
+Dragon magazine? As in D&amp;D?
+Don't crossbows suck in D&amp;D? Because that shit is caster faggotry dicksucking.
+--- 57870705
+>>57869460
+Crossbows aren't any worse than other weapons in D&amp;D. They have shorter range than bows but better damage dice. In the last 5e campaign I ran, I nearly wiped my party by ambushing them with 20+ heavy crossbowmen in the woods.
+--- 57870725
+>>57865271
+nigger this was done in the 90's nobody does this ghetto shit anymore.
+--- 57870949
+>>57853262 (OP)
+At that point why doesn’t she just walk out naked?

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+-----
+--- 57853269
+Has the war in Ukraine retroactively froze any attempts at Taiwan? China always viewed Russia as the muscle in the relationship, who would grind down the west while China blitzed the Pacific. But now that their faithful second has proven themselves completely helpless in the face of a real war, how can China comfortably push the button on WW3? It would be like pulling a ball and chain.
+--- 57853319
+China will probably keep Taiwan in their pocket up until they desperately need an external enemy to quell internal strife. I doubt the top ching chongs wanted to take such a risk any time soon anyway.
+--- 57853369
+>>57853269 (OP)
+>Retroactively
+You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
+I understand your point though
+Hard to say, rationally yes this should be a wake-up call for China that it is hilariously outgunned by the West
+But practically speaking, their may be backroom politics taking precedence over common sense and rationality
+After all, it's not like the Chinese generals are going to make the mistake of their Russian counterparts and operate within firing distance of the enemy. They might be making the sociopathic calculation that the deaths of hundreds of thousands of not millions of Chinese soldiers is worth retaking Taiwan, even if they're outgunned and need to meatgrind for it.
+--- 57853402
+>>57853269 (OP)
+The answer, according to our resident chinkshill, is that China...is waiting on "the US to be on the table", meaning China only wants to take Taiwan when the US is fully committed to defending it so they can defeat America (and another Coalition of the Willing) and finally seize their destiny. As you might have guessed, our resident chinkshill is retarded.
+--- 57853415
+>>57853369
+In a war against the United States itself and not a proxy, no enemy general is operating outside firing distance.
+--- 57853499
+>>57853415
+Ehhhh... I mean on paper yes, but the military isn't going to just start lobbing missiles and shells into Chinese cities and military bases without China escalating first. We're not barbaric Russians, it's not worth the civilian blowback to maybe bag a few top brass, unless we can do a surgical strike with extremely high confidence of success. And of course the Chinese generals know we have things like the ninja drone, so they're going to take precautions accordingly
+Again though I would be fairly confident China is going to bluster and then fold, they're intelligent enough (I think) to not actively participate in their own forced demilitarization. We want them to attack right now, so they (hopefully) know better than to fall for the bait.
+--- 57853519
+>>57853269 (OP)
+The opening phases of Ukraine showed what outdated memes ballistic missiles are, which are a weapon type China heavily relies on for offensive capabilities
+--- 57853550
+>>57853519
+How so?
+--- 57853577
+>>57853550
+Russian ballistic missiles kept missing
+--- 57853589
+>>57853269 (OP)
+China freezes any attempts at Taiwan. China fears embarrassment more than anything so they won't do something unless they're 100% sure they can do it, and Taiwan isn't a 100%. Plus it makes them a pariah and that would significantly hurt their globally connected economy
+--- 57853600
+>>57853499
+Imagine a world where both China and Russia lay broken before America. Finally the Reds will die and the world will belong to us.
+--- 57853621
+>>57853269 (OP)
+China is never gonna attempt to retake Taiwan by force. They can only threaten, it's way to risky even in the best case scenario.
+Most likely, China was Taiwan to rejoin willingly and will try to influence the culture of the country in order to make it happen. Threatening military invasion only gives whatever political party a justification for reunification, to prevent a world war.
+--- 57853637
+>>57853519
+Anon, just because Russia is a fuck up doesn't mean a weapon system is useless.
+>>57853499
+Taiwan is a nice saberrattle but the smart money would be on cementing the 'Stans as Chinese vassals.
+--- 57853800
+>>57853637
+I agree, though personally my dark horse is Vladivostok becoming Chinese as part of some renegotiation that gives Russia weapons and security in exchange for de facto vassal status and land.
+Obviously Russia doesn't want to part with its only major eastern port, but give them another year in the cauldron and they may have no choice.
+--- 57853904
+Most definitely. Reminder that Xi literally told Putin he couldn't invade until after the Winter Olympics. Vatniks really like to memory hole that one because it shows just how much of a vassal state Russia is to China.
+I guarantee that China expected the Russian invasion of Ukraine to go much, much better than it actually ended up going and did not expect the West to respond nearly as much as they did. Ukraine was basically a test (for China) to see how the West might respond to a Taiwan invasion, and it certainly did not go the way China had hoped. I mean honestly I don't think anyone expected the US, let alone NATO to stand up for Ukraine the way they did. NATO was seriously on the verge of dying in likely 5-10 years time and the Ukrainian war has completely revived NATO as even cucked countries like Germany are forced to see that Russia was never an ally that you could trust and that you need to actually invest in your military.
+I don't see China actually invading Taiwan now for at least another 5-10 years. I can't imagine the rage the Chinese leadership has to be feeling towards Russia for their ineptitude in Ukraine and how they couldn't even perform their role of keeping NATO occupied. NATO hasn't even felt bothered to send any of its valuable equipment to Ukraine like our jets, naval power or actual soldiers as our Cold War era surplus has been more than a match for Russian military equipment and the Ukrainian soldiers, despite being outnumbered and outgunned in the beginning, were able to stop the Russian push towards Kyiv before any major Western aid, sans very low numbers of Javelins &amp; NLAW's, had arrived.
+--- 57853923
+>>57853637
+Ballistic missiles in general have a wide CEP, which is part of the reason the West doesn't use conventionally armed ones much anymore
+--- 57854008
+>>57853904
+Is it because of the Olympics or was it just a coincidence because that's around the time the snow starts to clear up?
+--- 57854041
+>>57853904
+It's questionable if China will be interested in Taiwan in 5-10 years considering how its current trajectory comes from Xi Jinping's goals and he's 69.
+--- 57854056
+>>57854008
+Russia had wanted to invade much earlier than February but was told "no" by China because of the focus on the Winter Olympics and thus the terrain of Ukraine in late February was very unfavorable for an invasion
+--- 57854099
+>>57853904
+Not invading Ukraine would have been the most big brained move Russia could have made, it would have embarrassed the US as Saber raddlers, they could have continued to infiltrate German politics and continued to show that NATO isn't needed anymore.
+--- 57854119
+>>57854041
+Exactly, and that's why I said I can't imagine the hostility and rage Xi's party must be feeling towards Russia for likely completely fucking up China's Taiwan plan. China going through with a Taiwan invasion now would be met with complete disaster, where-as in a world where the Ukrainian invasion went differently, NATO would be too focused with defending Ukraine from a competent Russian military to be able to also protect Taiwan.
+Again though, I really want this point driven home to the Vatniks on this board, it REALLY shows just how China truly thinks of Russia. China does NOT think of Russia as allies, they think of them as pawns, and China wouldn't hesitate for a second to start seizing/demanding Russian territory if they knew Russia became too weak.
+>>57854099
+Hell, it would've been big brained for Russia if they had just retreated completely from Ukraine after the failed Kyiv invasion and from the shitshow that they had created, took the L, and rebuilt their military for a renewed push in another 10 years. But that would mean Putin wouldn't be the one to take Ukraine, and thus Putin isn't willing to accept such a thing. They could've easily spun it to their citizens as, "See, look, we were winning but it took all of NATO to stop us and now we retreat for now to save our strength" or some bullshit. Now it's far too late for Russia to retreat as the losses its suffered are too great for Putin and his administration to get off easily should he man up and accept responsibility for his fuckup.
+--- 57854199
+>>57854119
+Putin really only cares about staying in power and this war will likely keep him in power. Anyone with reformist or democratic thinking has likely left Russia. It's why Putin didn't give a shit that 300000 Russians fled when he announced mobilization. He wanted those people gone. This whole war has been about avoiding a euromaiden in Moscow.
+--- 57854531
+>>57854041
+That's precisely why Xi will order the invasion of Taiwan before he croaks. Also which guy is willing to tell him no? He's already purged most of the military and political opponents. Now he's going after his own fellow red nobility that goes out of line.
+--- 57854570
+>>57853499
+See, China should do the smart thing and saber rattle when politically expedient while having no actual intention of doing it and ruining their economy by causing foreign businesses to leave. The problem is, Xi is Biden-tier retarded, except Biden has people who ignore his stupid decisions and carry on with business as usual sometimes, Xi just has yesmen.
+--- 57854585
+>>57853923
+So in short, the idea that China will just fire 1000 of them at all the US bases and aircraft carriers is retarded?
+--- 57854626
+>>57853600
+But who would we be gearing up to destroy then? I feel like its a dog chasing a car situation. What will he do when he catches it?
+--- 57854652
+>>57854119
+Wonder if the Chinky Winkies will invade Russia to score points internationally at some point. They probably need to blood their officer and NCO corps
+--- 57854731
+>>57854626
+Roman plight I imagine. Once we defeat all known enemies we have a civil war. Or I don't know invade Brazil? They're pretty big I'm sure that'll take a couple years or so. Russia is taking a while with Ukraine so maybe we can stretch it too. We got 20 years outta Afghanistan so Brazil should be better....... Yeah you are right I'm starting to feel existential dread. What does the worlds largest military do when we beat everyone? Do we just become Edo Japan and larp among ourselves for centuries? One of you fuckers get good so we can fight you.
+--- 57854749
+>>57853369
+By the way, wasn't China building a dam to block certain people from receiving water?
+And then there is certain rice farmer country who happens to dislike China too.
+I know both indians and vietnamese love to troll americans on many things, but by the end of the day they see USA as their friend and ally (former is tsundere due the whole business with Pakistan, the later is the biggest yangire on the planet), and they will be all too happy to jump on the opportunity to open their own fronts against China if it comes to grip with USA, I can't see the chinese winning that one.
+--- 57854752
+>>57853269 (OP)
+Russia could easily rebuild and re-arm and continue being the bear that divides the west's attention. And this time without the terrible conditions of only invading with only 200k men because they expected far weaker resistance. Probably wouldn't matter either way, China's in a far better position at having the upper hand at attempting Taiwan than Russia was attempting Ukraine:
+-It would be taking place in their backyard while the US would be strained by the tyranny of distance
+-They have a well-trained navy that at this point is in a better state than the US Navy's
+-PLAAF training is comparable to USAF training; very likely that they will field thousands of airframes by 2030
+-Their missiles have every US base in range ready to shutdown the moment the shooting begins, adding massive logistical pain
+-They have reserves of food and energy that will last them years with rationing at current levels
+For all of this, the only allies the US could count on in the area are token forces provided by Australia and UK.
+Unlike with Ukraine Europe is not going to get involved if China decides to invade/blockade Taiwan.
+SK isn't getting involved because they have NK to deal with and don't fancy getting glassed themselves.
+With Japan it's a toss-up, but given their stagnant economy, overall pacifist population, and shit demographics, it's unlikely they'll want to have their cities destroyed either and their young dying by the thousands.
+Underestimate China at your own peril given the facts above
+--- 57854773
+>>57854752
+You should also remind them America still hasn't developed any hypersonic missile.
+--- 57854812
+>>57854773
+ICBM's are hypersonic dipshit
+--- 57854820
+>>57854812
+no it's not. Don't ever talk this anymore you fuckin clown.
+--- 57854838
+>>57854731
+Rome never dealt with the Persians successfully. Or all the Germans.
+>>57854626
+Aliens. We're ready to go on to the larger stage, space warfare.
+--- 57854844
+>>57854773
+We have had them since the 50s.
+--- 57854847
+>>57854585
+Yes
+--- 57854907
+>>57854844
+Not HGVs
+--- 57854926
+>>57853499
+We put that missile into the correct *seat* of a moving car. I think you could say we're pretty confident in the surgical scale of our abilities.
+--- 57854935
+>>57853637
+>the smart money would be on cementing the 'Stans as Chinese vassals.
+China cant even reliably cement an apartment floor.
+--- 57854937
+>>57854907
+Oh yeah sorry that's actually '60s tech
+--- 57855038
+>>57854531
+The US will arrest Xi's daughter and pass her to the CCP to be tortured and killed.
+Xi won't do shit. He keeps postponing (now 2027) but keeps it alive to keep the PLA hardliners in line, while continuing to purge them
+--- 57855055
+>>57854652
+Invading Russians fight Ukraine half heartedly (the officers never go on assaults and half ass their planning, training and logistics for eg), but they will whole heartedly kill Chinese invaders in the Far East. It will be WW2 tier plus nukes
+--- 57855072
+>>57854820
+ICBMs are Mach 25 so they are.
+you are such a retard chink. hypersonic missiles have been around since 60s, its the steerable, low flying, air breathing types that the US is developing only that are new
+--- 57855192
+>>57854752
+You forgot to mention that Xi can personally sink carriers with Chi blasts
+--- 57855241
+>>57855072
+You are fuckin a clown in /k/. Nobody even wants to reply to you. Know better and get the fuck out of this board.
+--- 57855340
+>>57853637
+>Taiwan is a nice saberrattle but the smart money would be on cementing the 'Stans as Chinese vassals.
+Smart money is "literally continue to manufacture shit and grow economy, get some siberian clay from russia since they're now your bitch"
+but as russia clearly demonstrated countries aren't necessarily rational actors. also control over taiwan is china's gateway to putting pressure on a number of west-aligned countries like worst korea and japan so IF they could get taiwan without a very high cost it might be worth it for them
+--- 57855354
+>>57855241
+>you are fuckin a clown in /k/
+Uhhhh MODS?? This is a blue board wtf???
+--- 57855355
+>>57853269 (OP)
+All of the CCP has VAIDS from the covid vax. Even Xi.
+>They are all becoming gay and sick and will soon die
+--- 57855370
+>>57854652
+>Wonder if the Chinky Winkies will invade Russia to score points internationally at some point
+how do you get past nooks in this scenario? barring absolute cockup by the chinks (eminently possible) a drawn-out conflict with china isn't something russia could reasonably win
+--- 57855444
+>>57855055
+If russia fires a nuke and it fails the chinese will feel that they can take russia. Chinas ministry of resources is already redrawing maps of Siberia to be part of china. With the west showing that their weapons work the chinese have probably calculated that the cost to take Taiwan is too high. The Russians however have shown themselves to be weak and incompetent taking Siberia would cost relatively little if nukes were not involved. China already has more people lighting along the border with russia than russia has in population. I can see them pulling something similar to what the jews pulled on Palestine if they don't have to worry about getting a few cities nuked.
+--- 57855471
+>>57853319
+>China will probably keep Taiwan in their pocket up until they desperately need an external enemy to quell internal strife. I doubt the top ching chongs wanted to take such a risk any time soon anyway.
+This for the most part.
+>>57853499
+>the military isn't going to just start lobbing missiles and shells into Chinese cities and military bases without China escalating first. We're not barbaric Russians, it's not worth the civilian blowback to maybe bag a few top brass,
+The US is heavily infiltrated by mainland Chinese diaspora and pro-Chinese business elite. So that's the main reason.
+>>57853589
+>China freezes any attempts at Taiwan. China fears embarrassment more than anything so they won't do something unless they're 100% sure they can do it, and Taiwan isn't a 100%. Plus it makes them a pariah and that would significantly hurt their globally connected economy
+It's hard to become a pariah that way if the other countries already don't recognize Taiwan. Aside from the US, everyone else thinks the PRC owns Taiwan.
+>>57853519
+>The opening phases of Ukraine showed what outdated memes ballistic missiles are, which are a weapon type China heavily relies on for offensive capabilities
+Russia was trying not to be blow anything in Ukraine the first days and weeks of the war!
+>>57853904
+>Most definitely. Reminder that Xi literally told Putin he couldn't invade until after the Winter Olympics. Vatniks really like to memory hole that one because it shows just how much of a vassal state Russia is to China.
+I doubt that ever happened. Russia invaded Crimea near the end of the 2014 Winter Olympics which were also held in Russian-held Sochi. They did the same thing in 2022 but a week later.
+>>57854056
+>Russia had wanted to invade much earlier than February but was told "no" by China because of the focus on the Winter Olympics
+Absolutely not. That would have been a far worse time to invade Ukraine when winter was in full swing.
+--- 57855488
+>>57853269 (OP)
+Taiwan was never going to happen. China simply can't admit it (nor America really, China HAS to look like a threat), thus its just a dick measuring contest like Star Wars program in the Cold War. US is dependant on China and vice versa. Retards like Trump, and some no-doubt existing Trump equivalents in China want to change that, but it would only fuck up their own economies. The only way Taiwan falls is if US gets USSR'd out of existance.
+--- 57855533
+>>57855488
+>russia isn't actually stupid enough to start a land war of conquest in europe and their economy is very reliable on the west
+--- 57855543
+>>57855533
+>is very reliable on the west
+reliant*
+it's the opposite of reliable
+--- 57855586
+>>57854531
+>He's already purged most of the military and political opponents.
+So did Beria, it didn't save him from literally who Khrushchev. Around apparatchiks never relax.
+--- 57855762
+>>57855471
+>The US is heavily infiltrated by mainland Chinese diaspora and pro-Chinese business elite. So that's the main reason.
+Just like EU was infiltarted by Russian sympathizers.
+USA might be taking notes and planning to deal with this over next decade.
+--- 57855826
+>>57853369
+One child policy biting them in the butts again as only sons die
+--- 57856007
+>>57855762
+>Just like EU was infiltarted by Russian sympathizers.
+and they haven't accomplished much when shit got real
+if anything, the lesson here is that the fifth column isn't all that effective when you get up to actual mischief, even if you have retards like Cuckson and a third of german/french government shilling for you.
+in america in particular I wouldn't want to be arguing for muh chinks dindu nuffin once the population gets primed into proper government-mandated patriotic fervor
+--- 57856129
+The US has had to stretch their resources to cover additional deterrent needs in Europe and to provide support to Ukraine.
+We have also seen US military industry begin to mobilise to a limited extent, patriot missile, GMLRS, radars, military UAS ect will all likely see their production expanded over the next few years. China might see that as somewhat threatening and aim to pre-empt it.
+Shipment of deterrent weapons to Taiwan are likely delayed/reduced as well because of this.
+This has arguably made it more, not less, likely for China to attempt something around Taiwan.
+If something big happened in the middle east for example, you could end up seeing the US mil industry and forces stretched over three possible fronts if China decided to create a Taiwan crisis.
+A crisis over the straight of Hormuz for example might see the USN have to divert considerable resources on top of their already increased tasking in the north Atlantic and Baltic.
+IMO it's still highly unlikely, China ultimately stands to gain from simply waiting; it would take a serious international or national crisis to force China to act IMO.
+I think that the perception of a window of Chinese opportunity In US strategy circles is largely wrong, in fact if anything it's the United States that has a window of action this decade Vis China and Taiwan.
+A lot of the low hanging fruit in regards to improving the deterrent capabilities of Allied forces, mostly through alliances and agreements, has already been picked.
+The Chinese capability to take the island will improve much more rapidly than the allied capability to defend it in my view, they stand to gain from waiting.
+--- 57856334
+>>57855762
+>>57856007
+It's really not the same. There was/is very little modern Russian diaspora in Europe compared to the US where major cities and colleges are flooded with Chinese people. Most US corporations and private equity firms are openly pro-China, whether that's wanting to increase investment or actively push back when the US wrote legislature to "ban" the import of goods made from forced labor in China.
+In Europe there was always some states including Poland warning about Russia, and the US did the same. With the US there's nobody else in that position when it comes to China and the US that has to do it entirely on its own. That's why China got another decade green-light to do whatever it wanted in the 2010s and had done the most damage then.
+The US and Australia only started opening their eyes at the end of the decade and had to drag the UK to go along with it. The rest of Europe still doesn't care about China's abuses, expansionism and capture of global governance orgs. France and Germany want to get closer to it. BBC World News often does damage-control for China including lying about the US' version of "One China Policy". Western and US media rarely covers China; no mentions of their harassment of and even kidnapping attempts of dissidents in the West, their espionage and theft of trade, academic and security secrets, or their border expansions.
+Many European states even have extradition treaties with China. There's been many cases around the world where Taiwanese people and oppressed minorities have been sent to the PRC. There's Confucius Institutes and secret Chinese overseas police stations all over the West, the former directly working with colleges. Greece sold off their Piraeus port to China, vetoed an EU resolution condemning China's rights abuses, and during the Olympic torch procession they banned anti-CCP protestors in violation of the EU's own laws. Business and real estate in Italy and Canada have been bought by China left and right.
+--- 57856365
+>>57854008
+vatniks wanted chang help in dodging things like sanctions on boyars personal accounts. Which vatniks expected to be the maximum what to expect from the west based off 2014. Which changs agreed to in exchange for not overshadowing their prestigious olympics.
+--- 57856369
+>>57856334
+The only thing ive heard from the BBC that is supposed to be negative about china is the oppression of muslims, which actually makes me more positive about china.
+--- 57856384
+>>57855370
+by having also big, scary NOOKS aimed at Moscow. Just as vatnigs claim allegedly to have working ones they could aim at Beijing. End result is local, limited exchanges or a pure coventional war like Ukraine
+--- 57856393
+>>57856290
+You are pretending like racism doesn’t exist and can’t/hasn’t been weaponized by the US government in wartime
+--- 57856413
+>>57856334
+I remember the state level forced organ harvesting camp system report coming out presented by Pompeo but since it was le evil orange hitlers crew, it went completely ignored or disgustingly spun in a pro commie regime spin with the remnant media trash
+tbf regarding the chink cop stations blackmailing and threatening in other sovereign countries, at least western ones have started to crack down on that shit.
+--- 57856424
+>>57856393
+modern day heresy aka racism has not been much of thing ever for at least the second half of the 20th century with western civilization. Now cultist woketards aggressively race baiting has of course given it a new revival in addition to opportunistic shitheads like nogs using it as get out of jail free card to escape consequences for their own shitty tribal behavior.
+--- 57856428
+>>57853269 (OP)
+You're a retard. China never viewed Russia as the muscle in some sort of strategic alliance. Russia has always been seen as a rival, both competing for influence in Central Asia. However now with Russias power and influence collapsing China has an opportunity to completely replace Russias influence and have Russia fall within their own sphere of influence. This war is good for China.
+--- 57856434
+>>57854585
+This will probably invite a full blown nuclear response that was lovingly crafted for the Soviet Union, but now falling on land 1/3 the size and 10 times as dense with human insects.
+--- 57856439
+>>57855241
+fuck you cocksucker, the US had this glide tech in the 60s too but they didn't think it was useful
+--- 57856451
+>>57856434
+Keep dreaming loser. The US is going to start a nuclear war over convential missiles hitting our bases. We're just going to attrit the Rocket Force, destroy the Air Force, and sink the Navy. Then starve the Chinese into submission.
+--- 57856454
+>>57853499
+>the ninja drone
+flying slapchop
+--- 57856472
+>>57853577
+Duh, that's why they're called 'missiles' not 'hittiles'
+--- 57856518
+>>57856428
+wrong, no CSTO country will follow China mainly because there is no counterbalance. they know its a mafia. wait and see
+--- 57856591
+>>57855444
+Would russia surrender to NATO if it meant help with defending themselves against china?
+--- 57856604
+>>57856472
+I wish i could hate you BALD.
+--- 57856636
+>>57853269 (OP)
+Ukraine War or no it was never going to happen as Taiwan is a literal US ally and Americans will be involved.
+>>57855533
+See Russians aren't Chinese who actually think before acting.
+--- 57856673
+>>57854731
+When China dies India will try to step up and be the big player in Asia. It's a downgrade in terms of enemy cool factor because pootech is laughably bad, but maybe it'll buy time until someone else gits gud.
+--- 57856878
+>>57853269 (OP)
+With everyone and their mom looking at, preoccupied by Ukraine and, more importantly, digging into their ammo/equipment reserves to help out, now might be a good time too strike Taiwan i think
+--- 57856974
+>>57853319
+There are multiple reasons why i think Taiwan will be invaded
+>Nationalistic/need for rally around flag
+>Economic (chip expensive, china no know how make good)
+>Strategic (chip complex and in missile, china no know how make good, also think of Japan being cut off from scrap metal and oil)
+>Social, sorta like nationalistic but this could balance the gender disparity
+--- 57857493
+>>57856974
+>Social, sorta like nationalistic but this could balance the gender disparity
+It won't balance shit, Taiwan's population is literally a drop in a bucket to China.
+--- 57857525
+>>57856974
+Economic and Strategic concerns factor little in China's aims in Taiwan. Economically Taiwan has been irrelevant ever since China opened up. If it was ever economical then all China would do is just fucking keep doing what it was doing.
+No, Its 100% Nationalistic as the Island is seen as the last rogue province. Taiwan is the reason why the PLA remains named as PLA (i.e. the civil war is not yet finished.). Once finished they would simply be naming it as the Zhongguo Renminjun (The Chinese People's Army).
+--- 57857670
+>>57854773
+Developed, deployed and retired all in the 1970s, mach 10+ in acceleration phase.
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_(missile)
+US had true hypersonic missiles (not only hypersonic in the reentry phase like most ballistic missiles) about 50 years ago.
+Than they just didn't bother much with them as they were needlessly expensive and really only useful if the enemy has such a good air defense grid that you can't penetrate it reliably without anything but hypersonic missiles.
+They have a lot of disadvantages if you don't use them for nukes.
+--- 57857804
+>>57853269 (OP)
+Ukraine war made China realize both West and Russia are paper tiger. Why you think people are ditching the dollar?
+--- 57857953
+>>57856974
+Yeah, I can't see the chip factories being factor. Taiwanese engineers would just destroy key components or hide key components of the factories in the mountains somewhere to deny China the ability to use said factories.
+They definitely aren't going to just let the Chinese have those chip factories.
+--- 57858049
+>>57857953
+>he chip the fabs are important
+TSMC CEO literally said China will catch up to TSMC in 5-8 years. Westerners only has propaganda for brain
+--- 57858069
+China will never attempt to take Taiwan. Instead they will use tranny logic say that as long as everyone pretends they own Taiwan then that means they do.
+--- 57858072
+>>57858049
+... my post was about how the chip factories were *not* a factor, dude. Hence I was implying that they were, in fact, not important.
+--- 57859487
+>>57857804
+I have to ask, do you honestly think anyone is really America's equal much less superior? Especially a 3rd world shithole like China? I'm sorry to tell you this but no amount of internet wolf warrior crap will change the fact that you will implode due to your crappy government and come crawling back to the U.S everyone else. You aren't capable of sustaining yourselves and deep down you know it. Now go make me an iphone bitch.
+--- 57859812
+>>57854773
+Post videos of a Chinese hypersonic missile with full directional control
+--- 57859903
+>>57855241
+>>57854773
+Hypersonics are just a chink cope lol. They’re for people that know they’re cartoonishly outmatched and have to put all their stat points into pretending to have anything that can operate against US air defenses.
+US spent the last 60 years developing an entire war machine that is so effective at quickly and permanently dominating any air space that they have no need to pretend to have “hypersonic” wunderwaffes because they have no problem hitting their targets as it is.
+You’re not going to win a war with your dozens of propaganda missiles.
+--- 57860523
+>>57859903
+The only serious AD systems the US had to face in the past 60 years were the ones in Iraq which were in derelict condition to begin with.
+USAF would not do as well against near-peer or peer adversaries even in the current Ukraine war; Russia's AD networks today are on a whole different level that USAF pilots have had ZERO real-world experience fighting against so just imagine how awful the Chinese AA/AD zones would be, something they've been prepping for DECADES. You have unfortunately fallen for the air force cult like so many others have
+--- 57861464
+>>57859903
+lmao, speaking of cope...
+--- 57861680
+>>57860523
+> The only serious AD systems the US had to face in the past 60 years were the ones in Iraq which were in derelict condition to begin with.
+Vietnam was where post-modern air-to-ground combat had the book written about it. And everyone else is still using the same tier air defense systems they were using like 50 years ago.
+Literally nobody else had ANY experience with it in the last 60 years but sure China, a totalitarian dictatorship run by yes-men that are totally caught in the dictatorship groupthink trap, and whose most recent military campaign was when they failed to invade or occupy any part of vietnam for longer than 4 weeks, is better prepared. Lol.
+And the funny thing is all the stuff that is still a secret. China’s go-to propaganda talking point is a broken knockoff of something that landed in Iraq 20 years ago.
+--- 57861717
+>>57861464
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
+>TFW China almost lost as many men after 3 weeks in Vietnam than the US lost in 20 years.
+You gooks really don’t understand the power imbalance here.
+--- 57861725
+>>57855355
+Jokes on you the Sinovac was just an applejuice injection
+--- 57862403
+>>57859903
+Wow, 60 years of development you still can't make hypersonic glide vehicle. Wow!
+--- 57863059
+>>57856472
+Carlos!
+--- 57863161
+The current eceleb armchair general talk is that China needs to invade in the next 3-8 years before Taiwan can effectively spam American hardware and drones from underground bunker systems. Really the only way Taiwan can ensure it doesn't get invaded is if it just boosts the fuck out of its shore defenses and mass adopts drones.
+--- 57863215
+>>57863161
+they only just started doing that en masse. so technically PLA still has a decent chance if they act quick.
+--- 57863218
+>>57862403
+--- 57863229
+>>57853269 (OP)
+No.
+If anything, Russia is desperately using all assets of their extensive spy network to start as much shit everywhere at once and this does include China.
+--- 57863274
+>>57854099
+yep. the west has been in pretty steep decline over the past 20 years, mainly due to a loss of confidence (bombing ragheads for israel isnt exactly a noble war), a desire for disarmement, and a hubristic assumption that global economic ties made war impossible. if putin had waited another 20 years, nato would not exist, european defence spending would be 0.5% of GDP (with countries like germany probably disbanding their militaries entirely for 'racism' or some shit) and the US would be entirely consumed by domestic issues. instead putin shat his pants and made bond-villian tier play, and woke the whole west up to the fact that the heckin russiarinos and chinkerinos and all the other third world shitskinerinos are not nice, rational economic partners who have been wronged by us in the past.
+they are in fact retarded, aggressive and backwards, and still need to be kept in line. putins bullshit has effectively washed the wests hands clean of the moral greyness of the GWOT. hes reminded us all that if its not us in charge, its despots and corrupt morons like him.
+>inb4 coming into the western sphere is worse because of trannies etc.
+I hate trannies as much as the next guy. but if the choice is between prosperity+pride parades, or having my country turned into a bombed out rubble covered slave colony to have its resources sucked out of it by GLVRIOUS PUCCIA, im choosing the faggots. teenagers who think living in a crater is preferable to seeing a pride flag need to grow up.
+--- 57863277
+>>57863215
+At this point the PLA is staring at a casualty counter currently in the tens of thousands that could go into the hundreds of thousands the longer they wait. They still would need to have a surge in supplies and manpower to maintain an offensive and really they would also have a timer from when they take out the Nimitz to when 2-4 more carriers come in and stomp Chinese air power. If they can strike in the next 4-5 years and accomplish an invasion in about a weeks time or so they could probably take Taiwan with about 20-30k casualties
+--- 57863487
+The Taiwanese military is not ready. It is not capable or willing to defend itself. The CCP knows this. We know this. The only reason the Chinese aren't invading right now is because of the threat of crushing sanctions.
+--- 57863537
+>>57863487
+You could say the same of Ukraine. The point is the US can rapidly arm and train Taiwan if it wanted to and of course the USN is the strongest force in the history of mankind. Please assault or fuck off, you are wasting billions every month with your posturing and especially your stupid ass island forts in the south sea that will be wiped by winglet-riding Jdams in first half hour.
+--- 57863590
+>>57861680
+if china was in a totalitarian trap, they wouldn't have effectively modernized the PLA to follow the american model past the 90s. you have fallen for your own western groupthink that blinds you to the massive progress they've made especially in the past decades. The global south realizes this and are positioning accordingly (see: recent KSA rapprochement with Iran thanks to China), westerners like you don't because you're too stuck in your own bubble
+--- 57863609
+>>57853904
+>I don't see China actually invading Taiwan now for at least another 5-10 years.
+china, and more specifically XJP, really wasted their best chance to strongarm Taiwan this decade. politically speaking XJP may have 5 years but 8-10 years? he wanted to be guy that reunified china and ended the civil war. but at the same time he doesn't want to be wrong and be the guy who sent the last generation of chinese youth into a meatgrinder and destroyed the chinese economy.
+--- 57863646
+>>57863590
+China is in a totalitarian trap. Russia was seen as the second force in the world and turned out to be dogshit. everything was crap. it will be the same for china and its wunderwaffe, which are completely unproven and incomplete copies. even assuming they work 50% of what is claimed, the systems, logistics, training and leadership are not. the fall of PLA will make Russia's one look like a gender reveal party.
+--- 57863673
+>>57863609
+he doesn't need to now he is complete strongman who wiped out the opposition. the posturing over Taiwan was for internal consumption. is he going to risk 1.2 billion slaves to get another 23 million? when he loses, his family will be tortured to death by CCP next gen and even his daughter will be handed over by a furious US.
+--- 57863797
+>>57863590
+No gun no opinion chink, post gun.
+--- 57863818
+>>57863797
+they are building so many copies of the same destroyer, never mind planned obsolesence, but there are no crews for the forseeable future. It is obviously a corruption racket.
+--- 57863936
+>>57856591
+would NATO even accept that surrender?
+--- 57864087
+>>57856129
+Thank you for the least uninformed take in this thread
+--- 57864626
+>>57863590
+>posts random picture of industry
+Bro I drive through hampton roads every day. I’ll never be impressed by like generic image of ports doing stuff.
+--- 57864701
+>>57853269 (OP)
+Did her optometrist diagnose her with gookleosis?
+--- 57864713
+>>57863646
+What makes you think China will be the same as Russia? Any possible statistic you could find comparing the two countries couldn't disprove that silly notion more than they already do on their own. Are basic numbers just made up to you now?
+>>57864626
+Calling that "random" just shows how little you know. That's Dalian Shipyard for the record. That single shipyard alone has more output than all current US shipyards combined- and that's just one Chinese shipyard out of thirteen.
+You don't have to be impressed, you just have to know what you'll be facing up against knowing that current US shipbuilding capabilities have been completely eclipsed by China's shipbuilding capabilities, and that the gap is only going to widen from here on out.
+--- 57864746
+>>57864713
+yes keep building destroyers ahead of crew training. keep piling that rusting metal up
+if you are so good why are you getting washed out ex-US and UK aviators to train your air force?
+--- 57864923
+>>57864746
+>rusting metal up
+KEK have you even taken a look at US hulls recently? I really, REALLY don't think you want to be using that argument
+--- 57865139
+>>57864713
+Russia's fought a war in the last fifty years, China will be far, far worse.
+--- 57865372
+>>57864923
+yes ship hulls rust
+but this ship is being used. imagine building destroyers with no crews, because someone is earning from it
+--- 57865584
+>>57864923
+rust is just something you live with and periodically clean when you could. same line of thinking can't be applied to PLA navy. since their hardware are more for internal propaganda purpose. god helps you if you have a speck of dust on it.
+--- 57865781
+>>57853269 (OP)
+China won't be "pushing the button" on WW3. They will be goaded into it by the U.S. whose masters desperately need to migrate out of their current golem to China and need the regime there resisting moral degeneracy--the magic distraction to allow ever-more ridiculous usury to flourish--they need that regime decapitated.
+The U.S. needs to get Russia off the board--so it can do what it did to Japan from 1937-41: squeeze the Chinese on raw materials and interfere in their sphere of influence until they crack and strike at the U.S.--probably cyber/power grid/satellite Pearl Harbor. Won't be enough and Top leadership in China will get offed and the Han will have globohomo, I mean "freedom" like they never dreamed.
+--- 57865820
+>>57863646
+>the fall of PLA will make Russia's one look like a gender reveal party.
+Your brain on ZOG.
+--- 57866209
+>>57865820
+Chinks can’t even help their buildings from falling apart and we’re expecting them to launch the most sophisticated naval invasion in history.
+--- 57866707
+>>57865372
+>>57865584
+?
+PLAN regularly does drills, patrols and performs extensive ship maintenance. They train months out at sea and yet you never see their ships in as bad condition. Sounds like you're just repeating the same tired memes because they're comforting to you rather than confronting reality
+--- 57866719
+>>57865781
+China is the most morally degenerate nation on earth
+they found one brothel in Shanghai that has young and even underage girls, and because it was for government officials only, all the girls were slaves and whoring for no pay and locked up.
+many such cases of extreme depravity sanctioned at highest levels, it is more Byzantium than USA can ever be
+--- 57866722
+>>57866707
+PLAN hardly uses its navy. It is a political tool, nothing much more
+Please assault Taiwan, what are you waiting for then, we need new entertainment. Moscow was a blast, two actually
+--- 57866757
+>>57866722
+>PLAN hardly uses its navy.
+China has overtaken the United States when it comes to the sheer size of its navy. While the PLAN has around 340 ships, the US Navy has less than 300 ships, and they're losing them faster to retirement than they can build new ones.
+--- 57866772
+>>57866757
+>displacement
+show us
+--- 57866782
+>>57866757
+congrats on counting everything as a ship
+furthermore with 340 ships, they are basically doing fuck all as there is no record of meaningful activity, even their island lock drills was a joke as a Taiwan fisherman could slap their carrier's hull could get so close
+stick to eating 5 meals a day on a chinese ship, at least that's something remarkable
+do you not understand, like the poor mobiks, the PLAN does not want to fight USA and Japan and Taiwan and just want to continue their easy life? doing the minimum, like mobiks
+--- 57866804
+>>57866782
+Those 340 ships also get the benefit of operating near the coast of their home country, which is loaded to the brim with anti ship missiles and SAMs. Not to mention they get covered by their airforce, which is the largest in the world.
+--- 57866813
+>>57866772
+USN isn't going to bring all its assets against China due to global commitments. China absolutely will, evening out the displacement comparisons. Especially as they continue their rapid pace of hull construction while USN retires 40+ ships in the next few years
+--- 57866823
+>>57863487
+>The Ukranian military is not ready. It is not capable or willing to defend itself: look at how quickly they surrendered Crimea 8 years ago!
+--- 57866843
+>>57866823
+What is it with you retards always comparing ukraine/russia with taiwan/china as if these are even remotely the same scenarios? Ukraine is not Taiwan, Russia is not China, get it through your thick skulls. Ukraine had their Crimea moment, Taiwan hasn't. They are far more complacent than Ukraine is and far less prepared for the type of war that they will have to face
+--- 57866851
+>>57866804
+you seem to think the the enemy USA will fight exactly as you planned them to be, which is a sign of a military that has not fought for half a century
+i think you should wake up to a few mornings of china costal nuclear power plants blowing up from stealth glide bombs for you to understand that USA is reserving special attention and treatment for China which it has not done for 78 years, last it did this was spread incendiaries all over Tokyo
+--- 57866860
+>>57866843
+not after the US got involved with them
+200+ F-16Vs upgraded and bought in record time no? That was an expense
+--- 57866952
+>>57866860
+What good are those against the cold hard fact that Taiwan entirely lacks strategic depth? They're completely within PLA's coverage of land-based systems and airborne standoff strike capabilities. PLAAF inventory is far deeper and would bring the full brunt of their forces on top of whatever short-intermediate range missiles they have to strike assets on the ground before they can even take off
+--- 57866972
+>>57856451
+Who was this even for?
+--- 57866986
+>>57866952
+the US has openly stated they are not going to allow it. so attacking Taiwan means an all out war with US, Japan, AUKUS and maybe NATO and Korea. If you attack or open fire on the US first, say when breaking the blockade with its ships, NATO's mutual defence kicks in no?
+--- 57867009
+>>57853269 (OP)
+It depends on how compartmentalized Xi is from everyone else. He has consistently proven himself to be a retard, but maybe this war will be a big enough wake up call that even Winnie the Pooh will hear it.
+--- 57867021
+>>57867009
+Why would it? Putin’s just as fucking retarded, why would Xi be any different?
+--- 57867023
+>>57866986
+>NATO
+China has their economies by the balls, they'd be next to useless and almost certainly won't get involved. You had both Macron and Scholz last week openly going against the US and its taiwan policy. So that's already two of the biggest players out. The rest are too small and irrelevant and lack force projection for a conflict halfway across the globe or any ways to meaningfully contribute.
+AUKUS is a given but it's doubtful how much they'd actually provide
+--- 57867025
+>>57867023
+Lmao
+--- 57867029
+>>57867009
+Xi is focused on killing his rivals. He's probably killed more communists than any man after McArthur.
+--- 57867032
+>>57867023
+Oh no FRANCE won’t help, we’re DOOMED
+--- 57867036
+>>57867023
+>big players
+--- 57867042
+>>57867032
+>>57867036
+>b-but NATO!
+Yeah no here's the basic facts showing why this is utterly unlikel-
+>HURRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
+I swear to god there's no pleasing you retards
+--- 57867047
+>>57867042
+No your just blindly sucking Chinese cock and acting like a stereotypical /pol/ retarded, if you had the ability to read a room you’d realize everyone is mocking you constantly
+--- 57867052
+Imagine the pure and utter incompetence we’ll see from China when they launch a naval invasion. It’s gonna make Russia look like Desert Storm. I can’t wait.
+--- 57867060
+>>57867052
+The Chinese shills will probably actually kill the site to avoid the vicious mockery
+--- 57867068
+>>57867047
+You are a worthless retard
+--- 57867074
+>>57867068
+Oh it’s you again
+“Ok”
+--- 57867080
+I think it's more that China always assumed that because of 2014 Crimea and more recently our pulling out of Afghanistan, that we would just roll over and let nations annex smaller nations if they wanted to because authoritarian nations stronk and democracies fear confronting them. For the CCP, the west's response to Russia's actions in Ukraine has shown them that yes, there are in fact consequences for doing that.
+And the consequences would be far worse for China because they are not a fuel and food exporter like Russia, they are the world's biggest importer of both. People like to claim this might be the end of Russia but Russia-level sanctions on China would legitimately be the end of China as we know it from the famines alone that would ensue. Which is a shame, chinese girls can be pretty hot.
+--- 57867082
+>>57867060
+>China displays military incompetence so stunning it shocks the world into silence
+>Redditors and noguns flood /k/ like february ‘22 because ww3
+>China let’s their million man shill army off the leash because of this
+>/k/ is ultimately drowned and irreparably ruined
+It will be this boards peak before its meeting with destiny.
+--- 57867083
+>>57867080
+Nah Koreans are much more attractive
+--- 57867089
+>>57867082
+It will be glorious I think even /pol/ would be lost, what a shit show.
+--- 57867091
+>/k/ STILL doesn't have an answer to these
+--- 57867097
+>>57856334
+Maybe before I'd agree but the current administration has already targetted several US industries and said to their employees "either you get out of china NOW, or you give up your US citizenship". Within 24 hours the entire sector's employees either left china or left the US.
+--- 57867098
+>>57867091
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Range_Hypersonic_Weapon
+--- 57867111
+>>57855471
+>It's hard to become a pariah that way if the other countries already don't recognize Taiwan.
+The reason they don't recognize Taiwan isn't because of Chinese bullying, but rather because until Taiwan gives up its territorial claims to the rest of China, it's seen as an internal dispute. Which is why the last thing China wants is for Taiwan to give up said claims and announce true independence from China because suddenly the CCP is threatening a sovereign nation.
+--- 57867118
+>>57867068
+Know your place chang
+--- 57867120
+>>57867098
+>United States Navy (planned)
+草
+--- 57867128
+>>57867120
+奴隶农奴
+--- 57867136
+>>57867091
+Are they cost effective to use on anything cheaper than ships? I can't imagine chucking them at runways will be sustainable for long.
+--- 57867137
+>>57867120
+>tested and actually works
+>was done so 3 years ago
+>interestingly at the same time China started screaming about them
+--- 57867140
+>>57857804
+>Why you think people are ditching the dollar?
+People have been trying to devalue the petrodollar since the 1970s and last I checked, it wasn't ruined even when half the planet didn't even run on a capitalist system and thus were barely even traded with.
+You want to know why BRICS will never defeat the dollar? Because while it has way more people than the west, it has like 1/50th of the amount of wealth.
+--- 57867149
+>>57867140
+And most of that wealth is held by wealthy retards like the Saudi princes who are too busy creating cities in deserts to care
+--- 57867154
+>>57867149
+No most of it is held by us, the brits, the french, the germans, and the swiss. I don't know how much the Netherlands managed to make off of Indonesia before they lost it.
+--- 57867163
+>>57867154
+Lmao you cheeky shit
+--- 57867171
+>>57853269 (OP)
+Attacking Taiwan would be a strategic blunder of world-reshaping proportions that would grind the global economy to a halt for at least a decade even without America firing a single shot.
+>Taiwan's semiconductor industry is not up for grabs, it's only up for shutdown. If the factories are not destroyed by Taiwan, they'll be destroyed by America. If they miraculously survive the war intact, the workers will be assassinated or evacuated. If somehow China achieves a pro gamer move and executes a flawless victory the likes of which no chink military in the entirety of human history has ever claimed, taking everything intact, the raw materials and machines the factories depend on all come from somewhere else and will be immediately denied and sanctioned, rendering their possession moot.
+>So let's say China wins it all and America, for some reason, doesn't destroy the industry and decides to bend the knee instead of just doing without. They wouldn't cuck like that because it'd be the end of American prosperity overnight, but let's say we're just that afraid to fight. First off, every security guarantee the Americans offer to anyone anywhere in the world would instantly be considered worthless. European nations would have to start maintaining actual militaries instead of glorified LARP forces, and NATO would likely fracture. Every simmering conflict that's kept in check by the implicit threat of getting an American-led coalition up the pooper pops off within a year. Do you think Russia will stop at Ukraine if the chips needed to make all those fancy weapons suddenly disappear because China squeezes off the supply and/or western nations can't or won't buy them? Nope!
+>Taking the other tack, if it all gets blown to hell, ain't nobody making, selling, or buying SHIT. Everything electronic would be in a shortage immediately. China would collapse, but so would everyone else.
+TL;DR - not even chinks are this stupid, it's all a scam to get more MIC gibs.
+--- 57867173
+>>57867154
+The Netherlands have been seemingly content just existing for the last century so I imagine a good amount
+--- 57867179
+>>57867171
+>Not even the chinks are that stupid
+Werent they saying that about Russia a year or so ago?
+--- 57867204
+>>57867091
+Assuming those are China's hypersonic weapons, they have some pretty serious flaws. For one, there is a legitimate tradeoff for being so fast, namely that they can't really course-correct and are effectively just a medium-range rocket that's really really fast. So it's great against stationary targets but a ship has to just...move out of the way. Unless they think putting nuclear warheads on those is a smart idea, as if we wouldn't nuke someone that nuked us first.
+And as for stationary targets...have you guys actually looked at the range of those things? Even Guam is 4x farther than their maximum range, all they could really hit of US bases would be South Korea and maybe Okinawa
+--- 57867215
+>>57867136
+It ain't called the Guam-Killer without reason. I'd imagine they have good reasons to stockpile hundreds of the things. And considering this is China we're talking about, the costs involved will be far less since they already have R&amp;D + supply chains taken care of
+--- 57867218
+>>57867179
+No, American teens in their commie phase were saying that. Everyone else that had experience with Russians knew they were exactly that stupid.
+I mean, yeah, thirdies are unpredictable and prone to flip the board because they're pissed about losing, sure. They MIGHT slaughter the global economy for literally no benefit whatsoever, but then again America has a few competent administrators. I fully expect they'd just bomb the factories and then have a hearty laugh about it until the coffee maker broke and they realized nobody was gonna have the ability to make a new one for 10 years.
+--- 57867231
+>>57867218
+Vietnam knows
+you know, the other gooks
+--- 57867237
+>>57867231
+The CPV also can't stand the CCP.
+--- 57867239
+>>57867218
+You do realize other countries can make electronics...right? Sure not that such a huge amount but it’s not like it’s a fucking list start only the Chinese know.
+>Japan...I am forgotten...
+--- 57867247
+>>57867239
+Lost art*
+--- 57867258
+>>57866972
+You. I meant to say the US will not start a nuclear war. Sorry :(
+--- 57867269
+>>57867258
+I mean if China starts it yeah by definition they aren’t
+--- 57867278
+>>57867258
+if you suddenly lob missiles at a US carrier task force with 6000+ souls, I think everything is on the table. even Kim bless his chubby feet, keeps quiet when the Nimitzes trails destroyers in its wake off Korea
+--- 57867283
+>>57867204
+guam absolutely is within range of the df-26 specifically
+china's hypersonics are probably overhyped while still posing more of a credible threat than conventional missiles. something to at least monitor but unlikely it's the silver bullet towards knocking out CBGs
+--- 57867291
+>>57867283
+>guam absolutely is within range of the df-26 specifically
+Yeah but those aren't the hypersonics, the hypersonics only have a range of something like 1000-1500km
+--- 57867294
+>>57858049
+Implessive!
+he said the same thing 5-8 years ago
+--- 57867299
+>>57867239
+It's a "shit rolls downhill" effect. Take what happened during COVID as an example. It's not that there were zero chips at all because of a disruption, it's that the supply became so bottlenecked that many industries couldn't get enough. Prices skyrocketed on things like GPUs and cars as a result. Now that was after like a year of global *reduced* capacity. There was still production going on. If Taiwan gets flattened, that's 50% of the global supply of chips just straight up GONE until new foundries are constructed, then those new foundries immediately open up into a backlog. Anything with a microchip would be out of reach from even the middle class.
+--- 57867304
+>>57867299
+Wasn’t that actually due to China buying up literally everything at the time to create the supply issue and farm bitcoins though?
+--- 57867305
+>>57860523
+>Iraq which were in derelict condition to begin with.
+fourth stronkest army in the world at the time. or have you already memory holed that too?
+--- 57867310
+>>57867291
+i know, the pic and the response confused me for a sec
+df-21 ain't reaching guam that's for damn sure
+--- 57867311
+>>57867299
+Isn’t America already building new foundries right now because of the potential for this to occur?
+--- 57867314
+>>57867269
+>>57867278
+The US isn't going to launch Nukes because a carrier is sunk. Carriers are valid military targets. The US doesn't need nukes to defeat China, why would you nuke a country that can also nuke you, and when after the war they will be your vassal. You're just destroying your future ability to extract wealth.
+--- 57867320
+>>57867299
+they are already opening up in USA
+China grew rich through its own effort but also because the West helped them. It would be gigantically retarded to then backstab the West and try to claim global hegemony because it is more likely to invite resistance and continuous troubles by other nations who accept the new gang culture of the world, even in the slimmest of chances it wins
+--- 57867321
+>>57867314
+Ok
+--- 57867327
+>>57867299
+Why are you ignoring every other SEA country and Japan and their ability to create shit
+--- 57867329
+>>57867310
+I just didn't recognize the missiles in the pic and assumed they were the hypersonics because people won't stop acting like they're the biggest thing ever
+--- 57867332
+>>57867320
+>It would be gigantically retarded to then backstab the West and try to claim global hegemony
+Yeah but third worlders are retarded
+--- 57867344
+>>57866843
+ so what is your cope going to be after a year of combat chinchongs fail to even establish a stable beach head in Taiwan?
+--- 57867353
+>>57867344
+>we didn’t want Taiwan anyway! I was about weakening the US!
+--- 57867357
+>>57867320
+>It would be gigantically retarded to then backstab the West and try to claim global hegemony
+Normally I'd agree but Xi seems to genuinely buy into the idea that the Han are just the most special awesome ethnic group ever and the rest of the world should be thankful for getting to share the same planet as them so of COURSE they should be the country the whole world revolves around.
+--- 57867369
+>>57867353
+so... two more weeks?
+--- 57867373
+>>57867321
+>:(
+--- 57867377
+>>57867320
+>China grew rich through its own effort
+with its own pure effort they let themselves be subjugated by insane god emperors and then embarked on glorious works like the Great Leap Backwards and Cultural Devolution.
+ it was western stupidity, greed and over reliance on common sense that led to investments that pulled the insane bug colony out of its freefall stall after they got a little bit saner and off hands god emperors on the throne. Which btw has now reversed as pooh bear is quite openly emulating maoism
+--- 57867381
+>>57867357
+if han is so special and awesome, why did they destroyer an entire replacement generation with one child policy, which basically doomed han people unless they start diluting their ethnic purity with other races just to effectively reproduce?
+--- 57867386
+>>57867171
+I doubt the chips are that much of a factor to consider. Taiwan entering the fold is every PRC nationalist's wet dream with or without TSMC facilities. There's no doubt in my mind those things are getting blown up no matter what as the cost of doing business.
+And yes it would absolutely cripple everyone's economic situation but PRC might be insane enough to do it if they think they can maintain their own advanced semiconductor fabs. SUPPOSEDLY SMIC already is capable of 7nm chips. If they can get those + future advanced chips to scale for civilian industry needs they'll be more willing to bite the bullet
+--- 57867393
+>>57867373
+Ok
+--- 57867398
+>>57867304
+Not entirely, although that didn't help matters. It was a combination of lockdowns increasing demand for electronics (need a laptop for WFH and all the home entertainments and etc) and also reducing supply (factories having fewer shifts, sick workers, etc). The point is, as disruptive as that was, that was far, far, FAR less than 50% of chip production going missing. To put it in perspective, Taiwan didn't even shut down their chip factories, only other places with much smaller market shares did. That massive fustercluck was all just people needing more laptops and some of the shitters being quitters. I'm genuinely not exaggerating when I say the world halts if it happens, which is why it's unlikely China will ever do jack shit.
+--- 57867399
+>>57867381
+The way I had it explained to me was Mao wanted the country to catch up with the Soviet Union in production so he had a big campaign of basically paying anyone who would have lots of babies. Fast forward a few years and they were like "holy shit, what have we done, we basically doubled our country's population overnight, they're going to eat the country alive if this keeps going" so the 1-child policy was meant to be an extreme overcorrection of that.
+>unless they start diluting their ethnic purity with other races just to effectively reproduce
+Will never happen, Han are one of the most racist ethnic groups on the planet.
+--- 57867406
+>>57867393
+--- 57867409
+>>57867406
+Ok
+--- 57867420
+>>57867398
+That assumes the US isn’t making new fabrication plants to counter this, which they are, and other countries refusing to see the writing on the walls as well as apparently this is the decade that authoritarian governments commit suicide
+--- 57867424
+>>57867420
+*that said you still are right about it potentially fucking up everything, but relying on China to NOT be retarded is not a good idea
+--- 57867437
+>>57867420
+>That assumes the US isn’t making new fabrication plants to counter this
+Nta but we already are and Mexico is helping. From how I heard Peter Zeihan explain it
+>Mexico can easily do what China does in low-end chip manufacturing which is like the shit that's in like toys and stuff
+>We can do the high-end, super advanced stuff
+>The problem is we don't currently have a replacement for Taiwan in terms of manufacturing the mid-level chips
+--- 57867446
+>>57867344
+They don't need to if they're able to maintain blockade where effectively nothing comes in or out of the island. Invasion would either be the insanely retarded option or a simple formality because taiwan + allies' capabilities had severely degraded past the point of no return
+--- 57867447
+>>57864923
+>Rusty And Battered USS Stout DDG-55 After Spending A Record 215 Days At Sea
+So at what point do you get tired of posting the same pics of an extraordinately rare incident as if it is the standard?
+Here she is as of like 6 months ago btw
+--- 57867452
+>>57867437
+>we can create high and low end shit
+>but mid tier chips are a problem
+What an interesting problem
+--- 57867459
+>>57867452
+Each type requires different plant configurations, different levels of expertise, etc. So it makes sense.
+--- 57867476
+>>57854570
+>Xi is Biden-tier retarded
+Is he? Tell me more please.
+--- 57867478
+>>57867459
+Makes sense
+>SIR WE CAN ONLY BUILD QUANTUM COMPUTER
+>WE’ER DOOMED
+IM joking obviously
+--- 57867481
+>>57867476
+It was a back handed comment nothing more
+--- 57867486
+>>57867476
+Not him but you know how we listen in on everything that happens in the state departments in Russia? We're doing that in China too but unlike in Russia, no one's saying anything. Xi has shot the messenger so many times that everyone's terrified of him so they either don't tell him anything at all, or they just bullshit him so he hears what he wants to hear. I forget what major event it was in China but Xi didn't hear about it until Biden said something about it in one of their video conferences.
+--- 57867497
+>>57864923
+>>57867447
+And here is what she looked like just before the emergency longterm deployment>
+Its almost as if it was a fluke brought on by extreme measures enacted during a global pandemic of unprecedented scale.
+--- 57867501
+>>57854570
+>>57867476
+Biden has one gigantic advantage over Xi, and that's that he can admit he's not the smartest person in the room and is open to ideas from others. Which is a surprisingly rare trait among presidents if we're being honest, and it's a good one because it means people who know better can get a word in.
+--- 57867539
+>>57867452
+but by definition mid tier is what's most in demands. it's the proverbial destruction of the middle class but in technology sense.
+--- 57867546
+>>57867501
+I’m pretty sure he is smart enough to realize the only reason he was ever elected was because he literally wasn’t trump, so he’s probably taking shit easy and playing the milktoast generic white president and letting his aids do the work behind him.
+--- 57867548
+>>57867539
+Ok better bend the knee to our new bug overlords and not just...build new plants.
+--- 57867550
+>>57867546
+>>57867501
+Fags
+--- 57867554
+>>57867501
+>he can admit he's not the smartest person in the room
+Isn't he literally demented? That's not a rhetorical question by the way, it seems like the last time he was mentally competent enough to admit anything was a decade or two ago.
+--- 57867556
+>>57867550
+Lmao you got a script that looks for mentions of Biden eh? Sorry daddy trump isn’t going to save you from the trannies and gays anon, he was literally too retarded to be president
+--- 57867562
+>>57867554
+No, it there was even a hint of genuine dementia he’d be carted off in an instant, fuck Regan was for the last few months and the country nearly had a stroke.
+--- 57867567
+>>57867556
+I don't like Trump. But you don't like him for the wrong reason.
+--- 57867571
+>>57867567
+Lmao sure, he was an embarrassment to the title and cached like a child to everyone, that alone is enough
+--- 57867578
+>>57853269 (OP)
+She looks like she wants to suck that flower's cock, but being a flower it doesnt have one.
+--- 57867580
+>>57867567
+So you were just acting hostile to start for literally no reason?
+--- 57867581
+>>57856472
+CARLOS
+--- 57867583
+>>57867580
+I'm hostile to you because you're a fag.
+--- 57867586
+>>57853269 (OP)
+Retroactively doesn't mean "made them change their mind"
+--- 57867590
+>>57867583
+Why? We both agree trump was a bad president. You...wouldn’t be pathetically begging for attention would you?
+--- 57867619
+>>57867590
+I want you to know that you're a fag. Just your text is enough to identify you.
+--- 57867640
+>>57867619
+So you are, ok, we’ll I’ll keep responding because you seem to need the human interaction ok?
+--- 57867642
+>>57858049
+>TSMC CEO literally said China will catch up to TSMC in 5-8 years.
+so china will always be 5-8 years behind?
+>Westerners only has propaganda for brain
+ironic innit?
+--- 57867658
+>>57867640
+I have a cat laying on me rn in Odessa. I am just fine.
+--- 57867662
+>>57867658
+Ok
+--- 57867683
+>>57864713
+>more output
+quality over quantity. You have ghost cities, too, because of rampant corruption.
+>You don't have to be impressed
+Paper country. It's all fake. lol
+--- 57867697
+>>57867662
+Keep being a fag and acting like you aren't envious.
+--- 57867744
+>>57867562
+>a hint of genuine dementia
+What about all those tremendous verbal gaffs? He doesn't do them all the time but when he does it comes off as actually demented. Worse than my late grandmother, RIP.
+--- 57867748
+>>57867658
+>>57867697
+Not him + I would probably think you're a fag if I got to know you better too, but post more photos of that cat immediately.
+--- 57867750
+>>57867683
+>Paper country
+This makes me wonder if other countries, like China for example, use 'paper' in the same derisive way.
+--- 57867755
+>>57867748
+--- 57867758
+>>57856472
+Good one
+--- 57867768
+>>57867755
+Fuck yeah, look at that thing. I bet he kills birds whenever he feels like it.
+--- 57867775
+>>57867768
+A homeless guy talking to himself came by and he got scared and left :( here's a picture of the food I fed gave him
+--- 57867798
+>>57867683
+They have both quality and quantity w.r.t. PLAN. You can only fake so much; China literally makes almost half of the world's merchant shipping which readily translates into large labor pool of capable engineers + reduced costs + infrastructure + huge budgets to afford maintenance, training, R&amp;D. This is unlike the current US Navy who is currently stretched thin and pushed quite hard due to lack of available labor, lack of budget, resources, yards, etc. etc. You underestimate them at your own peril
+--- 57867843
+>>57853269 (OP)
+Better yet
+>russian men sent to die in a ditch
+>russian women left unloved and frustrated
+>chink male surplus acquire siberian pussy
+--- 57867855
+>>57867798
+>takes Chinese propaganda at face value
+>takes MIC whining at face value
+gullibility is stretching it. look at russia this is you but underwater soon
+--- 57867868
+>>57854041
+Disagree China is actually ideologically sound and practicing realpolitik. Meanwhile State Department representatives are saying how LGBT rights are a key aspect of foreign policy, it's a fucking circus.
+--- 57867889
+>>57867775
+The homeless deserve extermination.
+--- 57867891
+>>57867437
+>>Mexico can easily do what China does in low-end chip manufacturing which is like the shit that's in like toys and stuff
+The issue here is, Mexico does not have the water supply or logistic infrastructure, brain trust and institutional knowledge base to develop a low end chip manufacturing industry within a meaningful time period on their own. And even if they start cooperating with US and Canadian chip manufacturers to develop the infrastructure and human capital to do so, it will take them about a decade with alot of handing holding through the entire process. The chips that Mexico will produce will have long expensive logistic chains where components will have to cross the US border multiple times to produce the final product. Very much in parallel to what's happening with the Mexico-US cross border automotive industrial complex.
+The one major advantage China has in low end chip manufacturing (28 nm - 130 nm and larger), is it has the complete supply chain within the province of Guangdong centered around the city of Shenzhen from raw materials to silicon wafer refining to DUV machine manufacturing and chip prototyping and design. Despite China's aging population, they can still drive down the cost of low end chip manufacturing because every node in the supply chain is so close in proximity to each other and they are investing heavily in industrial robots and automation to maintain their comparative advantage for the foreseeable future.
+--- 57867926
+>>57867891
+>The problem is we don't currently have a replacement for Taiwan in terms of manufacturing the mid-level chips.
+This is where I call Peter Zeihan out on his bullshit. Samsung started risk production of their 3 nm process node in 2022 and full production of their refined second iteration this year. TSMC got to their second iteration of there's one year sooner then Samsung and Intel the only American vendor that has any leg in this race, are just starting risk production of their first iteration 3 nm process node now. Following this cadence, Intel is forever going to be behind TSMC and Samsung by at least 1-2 years, and this is assuming they don't encounter any difficult obstacles, like what happened when they tried to get their 10 nm (really equivalent to Samsung and TSMC's 7 nm) process node off the ground and struggle to do so for nearly a decade in the early 2010s, taking so long that the East Asian tech giants get 7 nm ready sooner simply by going through all the incremental iterations from 14 nm to 12 nm, 10 nm and then 7 nm.
+The fabs TSMC is building in US are all for older 6-5nm process nodes. if anything current trends look like TSMC and Samsung are going to produce the most advanced process nodes within their respective countries and produce mid level chips in the US because none of these companies want to give away their most valuable trade secrets and patents to the Americans or Intel.
+--- 57867928
+>>57867855
+Russia is Russia and China is China. I think I'll take my chances on not assuming that the 2nd largest economy in the world by GDP (and the 1st measured in PPP) doesn't have credible means of contesting the seas
+--- 57867931
+>>57867889
+I hate them. I found more cats.
+--- 57867946
+Mmmm raping Taiwanese girls. If China makes horny moves on Taiwan and USA cock blocks get ready for wwiii
+--- 57867948
+>>57867915
+Russian women do be pretty fine tho ngl no cap frfr ong
+--- 57867962
+>>57867948
+I feel like chinese women are usually very ugly.
+--- 57867989
+>>57867962
+There are probably 100 million cute/sexy Chinese girls but unfortunately there are 500 million fucking goblins. This ratio is spoiling their chances of getting picked up by western chads. We look to other markets for our sluts
+--- 57869072
+>>57863646
+The problem with these threads on sites full of extremists is that people take extreme positions just for the hell of it, you can have extremists for China or extremists for America, but they're not really trying to look at capabilities in a realistic way as much as hoping for a cathartic moment in which the PLAN or the USN will own their enemies online for them.
+>>57867501
+Biden is also a Catholic where the last one we had was JFK. I think Catholics can be a little "softer" or a bit quieter on average. It's a cultural thing. He sometimes even looks like a priest, and his speeches have about as much energy as the Pope. Trump destabilized American domestic politics and Biden wants to stabilize it.
+It's kinda interesting how he does it. In some dimensions, he has governed more to the left than the left expected, folding in Bernie and basically running a quasi-Keynesian economic plan. It's not quite FDR in the late 30s but the almighty state is using its stick to steer investment into manufacturing to a level that has not happened in my lifetime. He kinda stole some of Trump's agenda there. But he's hard for the Republican base to attack too because he's an old white guy, so they just say he's senile or a puppet to a sinister cabal. But they fear him too and don't wanna chimp out either because they fear he will put the stick to them and "excommunicate" them from the holy mother church.
+https://youtu.be/NRt2cKvJLlE?t=92 [Embed]
+--- 57869125
+>>57869072
+>Actually thinking Biden is catholic
+Lmao
+--- 57869315
+>>57867320
+>It would be gigantically retarded to then backstab the West and try to claim global hegemony
+Less hope Xi and the chinese have learned something from their neighbour's retardation.
+Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.
+--- 57869482
+>>57867486
+>believing Peter Zeihan
+kek
+KEKW
+--- 57869566
+>>57856974
+>Economic (chip expensive, china no know how make good)
+If at any point USA thinks that the invasion might result in China taking over Taiwan they will blow up all chip facilities. There is no scenario where China gets chip manufacturing out of this invasion.
+--- 57869583
+>>57858049
+China might get to what TSNC produces right now in 5-8 years (super optimistic forecast).
+--- 57869597
+>>57855471
+>far worse time to invade Ukraine when winter was in full swing
+How can someone be this retarded? Winter is a fine time for an invasion. Mud season is, by far, the worst time to invade.
+--- 57869817
+Basically. Its the same moment of reflection as after the Gulf War.
+Before 1991 China thought they could win any war just by having a massive army then in the Gulf War at Khafji you had 3 Iraqi divisions forced into retreat by a smaller USMC and Saudi blocking force then wiped out completely by air power as they retreated.
+--- 57870007
+>>57854752
+You're looking at the problem in reverse. China is a net food (and energy) importer. The last two US administrations have been investing in bases that contain China within its limited sphere, most recently in the Philippines. The US doesn't have to break into China's A2AD bubble, China has to break out of our A2AD containment ring.
+That does, in my opinion, increase the likelihood of conflict over Taiwan (as other anons have mentioned). Nation-state actors aren't entirely rational, and the likelihood of irrational actions increases if they feel backed into a corner (see Japan in 1941)
+--- 57870154
+>>57856472
+Fuck you.
+--- 57870366
+>>57853402
+>he doesn't realize how weak they have gotten vs China.
+Example: China lauch 40Mil tonnage of ship each year. The US navy is 4.5Mil ton total.
+China vs USA is reverse pacific war
+--- 57870396
+>>57869583
+Nope he said China will surpass TSMC in 5-8 years.
+--- 57870660
+>>57870366
+I can’t wait for ww3 to kick off so you guys can leave the board in droves after we turn the Chinese Navy into molten scrap.
+--- 57870797
+>>57867406
+3T0 He my cop?
+what?
+--- 57871183
+>>57870396
+No he didn't. That would be completely absurd.
+--- 57871248
+>>57870366
+Crashing into a Russian sub 20 years ago means the US navy is bad?
+--- 57871260
+>>57870797
+It's not a garbage can
+--- 57871284
+>>57867590
+Fuck off neolib. The uke war wasn’t an open invite to libshit NAFO niggers
+--- 57871647
+>>57871284
+Maybe cavemen like this aren't a good look either if you want to present yourself as better than libtards so maybe work on your own self image and public presences instead of raving on about stupid culture war shit, idiot
+--- 57871695
+>>57871647
+No gun no opinion, fag, post your gun.
+--- 57871730
+>>57867928
+Why? We were fed the line that Russia had a military almost equal to ours for decades and it turned out they're still in the 1980s. How could you trust any of this propaganda bullshit after that?
+--- 57871891
+>>57870007
+Food no, fuel yes. It's not as straightforward is the longer answer, there's something about more than half of their food imports being either cheap GMO animal feed so they can have cheap pork and beef, or luxuries/non-essentials.
+For everything else like grains, legumes, etc. they're (calorically) self-sufficient in.
+They have campaigns to stop tens of million tons of food waste at this point that eventually became law a few years ago. Food issues for China were true maybe a decade ago-they aren't anymore.
+Energy is trickier, right now theyd only manage to meet current needs for a few years with something like 45% rationing of strategic reserves. That's assuming zero oil production of their own and that they won't be looking towards inland routes e.g. Russia so they aren't entirely cut off and can sustain reduced level of imports. They might be banking on the american public clamoring for peace before they run out assuming a quick air and sea war since a war with China is also economic MAD for them.
+All of this to say is that it's likely they'll be able to sustain this for a LONG time. Nationalist-authoritarian states like China have no issue with popular support to maintain this almost indefinitely until things reach a very high tolerance breaking point.
+Can the same be said for the modern day US, with it's divided and increasingly isolationist population? It's barely been one year and you're already seeing pushback towards providing aid to Ukraine, to the point that suspension of aid will be an important wedge issue for Republicans to rally around. The political situation is just as important as the military one and politically the US has never been as insecure since the lead-up to the civil war. Food for thought
+--- 57871931
+>>57871695
+You first troon.
+--- 57871984
+>>57871730
+Last time I checked USSR wasn't the largest trading partner of the majority of nations and lagged far behind due to their command economy structure. China since Deng opened things up for partial liberalization hasn't suffered the same mistakes and made the country grow vastly richer in comparison, which feeds into their modernization programs.
+Something like $60 billion alone goes towards their own ship maintenance for just one example of how they're taking this seriously especially after they saw how the gulf war played out.
+--- 57872912
+>>57867946
+b...based?
+--- 57872965
+>>57871248
+>Russian sub
+Lol

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+-----
+--- 57853546
+yum yum yum yum yum
+previous: >>57825807 →
+--- 57853558
+They literally gave her the best girl award.
+There was a ceremony and everything.
+--- 57853579
+Why are Japanese anime girls singing Finnish folk songs so fucking cute? It doesn't make any sense.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnZhEqcUE4 [Embed]
+--- 57853598
+>>57853579
+>Finns are, as a people and a culture, worthy of our love and respect because of their profound autism
+>Japanese anime girls are cute
+>JPop and derivative vocaloids are cute
+It's a symphony of autism and good vibes
+I'm just glad that I'm around to enjoy it
+--- 57853599
+Anime food always looks so good :P
+--- 57853604
+>>57853599
+Should I watch M4's anime?
+--- 57853605
+alright aussies and euros don't let the thread die
+--- 57853617
+>>57853605
+>relying on Europe
+I remember the last time I relied on the French
+--- 57853644
+>>57853546 (OP)
+Bocchi the cock
+--- 57853652
+Teams doing team ops are cool.
+--- 57853749
+>>57853579
+>>57853598
+When I was in Finland I was surprised by how much nip shit was everywhere, turns out the Finns are actually massive weeaboos which was just kinda funny to me.
+--- 57853761
+>>57853749
+Ten thousand years ago some group of proto-Japanese hunter-gatherers must have branched off, traveled 5,000 miles through the steppe, and landed in Finland.
+:DDDDD
+--- 57853797
+>>57853761
+Wouldn't be the weirdest thing to ever happen, the only ethnic group with direct genetic ties to the Ainu people are the fucking Sentinelese Islanders.
+--- 57853824
+Lord let me lust after brown girls, I promise to return to racism after
+--- 57853827
+>>57853797
+Weird migrations happen. The Afanaseivo branched off from Ukraine about 5,000 years ago and landed in fucking Mongolia of all places.
+--- 57854309
+>>57853604
+>Madness and Healing chapters
+Yes.
+>Anime
+Not if you're expecting/wanting something good. Same goes for the manga it's based on imo. Also I believe they might also contradict parts of established canon in the game's story.
+--- 57854515
+>>57853644
+Cock or something.
+--- 57854613
+>>57853546 (OP)
+Bocchi truly became the rock.
+--- 57854649
+>Wonder what Blue Archive is so look it up
+>"Students are required to carry personal weapons and smart phones! "
+Neat, it's school in /k/ommandostan
+--- 57854679
+>>57853604
+Hard no. Despite being an anime of the guncolle game they fucked up the guns at every turn, it was actually kind of funny seeing how many giga cursed M4s they could come up with.
+--- 57854700
+>>57853569
+I wanna buy a shirt like this. What are they called?
+--- 57854715
+>>57854700
+Anon, only women wear those kinds of shirts, are you biologically female?
+--- 57854724
+>>57854715
+where's the law that says that I can't?
+>femboy btw
+--- 57855408
+>>57853546 (OP)
+Did anyone go to the GuP thread an hour or so ago on /a/?
+--- 57855694
+Reminder that jormungand is shit as both an anime and as /k/ content
+--- 57856084
+*happy Finnish whistling in the distance*
+--- 57856333
+>>57853697
+Absolutely mentally daijoubu.
+--- 57856468
+kino
+--- 57856687
+My wife
+--- 57856884
+>>57853749
+blame it on several generations growing on THE BEST ANIME OF ALL TIMES: Moomins
+--- 57856928
+>>57856687
+Sorry for the sloppy seconds anon I was in a hurry
+--- 57856983
+>>57856687
+Imagine how popular a legal loli like Anzu is going to be in college.
+--- 57857557
+My wife and her best friend
+--- 57858177
+>>57857557
+Multiple creampies in both
+--- 57858194
+>>57853604
+Watch the cutscenes on YT. Game has evolved into a stealth visual novel at this point.
+Like >>57854309 said the chibi meme shows are a riot...and gave use Junya.
+--- 57858240
+>>57854679
+Poor PPS, they couldn't even give her the right gun
+--- 57858254
+>>57853599
+Yeah I'm not eating off a charging handle
+--- 57858373
+>>57854309
+>>57858194
+>Minimal effort silly gag shorts give us plenty of entertainment and one of the most beloved characters in the franchise
+>Super serious full length show is considered a bad joke by everyone and only really gave us a quick meme about M4's cursed gun
+--- 57858404
+>>57858373
+>One of
+Word you are looking for is "the".
+--- 57858419
+>>57858404
+Soppo herself seems to be marginally more popular
+--- 57858459
+>>57858419
+¿Por qué no los dos?
+--- 57858506
+>>57853827
+There's also some forced migrations like the Neo-Assyrians (or was it the Neo-Babylonians?) did. That's what the Exile in the OT was, after subjugating a nation they'd forcibly displace a good chunk of the population out of their homeland and import a bunch of foreigners (who had also been forcibly displaced from their homelands) there to replace them. The idea was to keep the conquered peoples too isolated and in lands they don't know very well (if at all) to formulate any successful rebellion against them.
+Didn't really work because the Persians fucked them up and took all their lands but they did manage to spread Jews all over the place.
+--- 57859086
+>>57856687
+>>57857557
+--- 57859132
+>>57859086
+it's worth the weight
+--- 57859146
+>>57857557
+Anzu is so tiny
+--- 57860303
+What is kissing a T-doll like?
+--- 57860373
+>>57860303
+Salty coins &amp; milk
+--- 57860622
+>>57853579
+You are weak.
+Let me show you real cuteness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZ0xHIB08E [Embed]
+--- 57860639
+>>57860622
+God bless these United States
+--- 57860680
+>>57858459
+--- 57860712
+dunno if news made its way around here, but the scans for the patlabor manga have been completed and it's readable on mangadex
+also for those who prefer archiving this stuff [spoiler]https://patlabormangatranslation.tumblr.com/[/spoiler]
+--- 57860720
+>>57860622
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxw8xg1lpp4 [Embed]
+--- 57860766
+>>57860712
+/m/anon... there's no spoiler tags on /k/...
+--- 57860884
+>>57855408
+why do you ask?
+--- 57861355
+>>57859132
+Look at this fatty, no wonder she is single.
+--- 57861622
+Confessing to a dork!
+--- 57861675
+>>57860712
+>>57860766
+honestly that makes his gesture even nicer to me. Came here to share Patlabor with us, what a good lad.
+--- 57861917
+>>57861837
+Never used NVG... does it actually work like this
+--- 57861944
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCUEu0zWSmk [Embed]
+most hapi
+>t. spurdo
+--- 57861965
+>>57853579
+That's just a bunch of gibberish though, there's not a single word in it.
+--- 57861973
+>>57861917
+While to my understanding yes, you could theoretically pop the two tube sets into a pair of singles you'd need a whole new mount for that. The quad nods however funnel into two screens so no. But I'm not a 94, I'm a 91
+--- 57862009
+>>57861944
+I can't believe Germany is the ejaculate, and Russia... well.
+--- 57862062
+>>57862009
+*braaaaaap*
+t. shidded
+--- 57862289
+>>57858114
+Kek
+--- 57862845
+>>57861917
+>>57861973
+No, they are designed to be a single device there is no way to split them in a quick modular way to divide it up to be used by others.
+You can probably take a part a quad NVG unit and re-use the night vision tubes if it is the same tube design that is being used in monocular or binocular housing.
+The only other way to get this quick modular design would be to use two PVS-14 being used as a binocular setup and then you can split up the PVS-14s and give one to a friend and both of you will each have a PVS-14 as they are two separate devices with their own housing with a power source and lens assembly.
+--- 57863386
+>>57853697
+I sure hope that's chocolate
+--- 57863396
+>>57859146
+Anzu is so sexy.
+--- 57863398
+>>57863386
+this is the cuisine thread!
+of course it's chocolate!
+--- 57863482
+>>57863386
+Or course it is
+--- 57864320
+>>57860712
+THANK YOU ANON THANK YOU ANON I FUCKING LOVE PATLABOR thank you for letting me know.
+--- 57864349
+>>57860303
+Like bags of sand
+--- 57864637
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck4wUdFtAVY [Embed]
+Don't be afraid, John.
+--- 57864652
+I want to impregnate 416!
+--- 57864685
+>>57864652
+Why?
+--- 57864703
+Beef jerky
+--- 57864735
+>>57853558
+what season this from, road to berlin?
+--- 57864756
+FUCK cops
+--- 57864780
+>>57864756
+no thanks
+>female military personnel
+>female law enforcement
+STAY AWAY
+because you know THE BOYS ON THE FORCE are saying
+>thank you for you cervix
+you don't want to get in there with that
+one exception
+you are a mounted policeman, and you have a state issued horse gf
+--- 57864782
+>>57864703
+beef jerky with lint stuck to it...
+--- 57864795
+>>57864735
+Season 1 episode 7, the pantsu thieving episode.
+The whole episode is a parody of a real incident where Hartmann stole Hitler's hat at a medal ceremony.
+--- 57864798
+>>57864782
+it's in a little ziplock bag
+she knows I don't want to get my pockets all greasy and that I might not want to eat it will later
+--- 57864830
+>>57864703
+>So, you been doing this a while?
+>yup...
+>Cool, imagine you know your way around these hills pretty well, huh?
+>yup...
+>Uh, right, so you make all this jerky yourself?
+>yup...
+>Where do you get the meat for it?
+>shoot it...
+>Oh, so it's deer jerky?
+>Yup...
+>...Is "yup" the only thing you know how to say?
+>[slightest hint of a shit eating grin crosses her stoic face] yup...
+--- 57864843
+>>57864795
+Erica going down the stairs rail was the best part of that episode
+--- 57864853
+>>57864830
+nice thing about hunter girls as that pretty much universally they had a very present father figure in their lives who was willing to spend time with them
+--- 57864878
+>>57864843
+Very unsanitary.
+I hope someone disinfected that rail afterwards.
+(Don't have the webm version)
+--- 57864919
+>farm girls
+>hunter girls
+oh yeah
+now we're cookin' with oil
+--- 57864927
+What are some good anime/manga about the military?
+--- 57864945
+>>57864927
+real militaries or fictional ones
+--- 57864951
+>>57864927
+ABOUT the military?
+you'll find that there is very little anime/manga actually telling a grounded story about any actual modern military
+there's grounded k-animes
+I've been sitting here for a minute and I can't think of one that is both about a grounded real world military doing realistic things in a realistic setting
+--- 57864963
+>>57864927
+marine corps yumi is good up until the part where moreno stops translating it herself, may god bless her soul
+--- 57864988
+>>57856884
+why is moomin being tazed in the balls?
+--- 57865008
+>>57864988
+He's receiving tribulation from the heavens as punishment for having homoerotic thoughts about Snufkin.
+--- 57865030
+>>57864988
+A wizard cast a spell upon him
+>Explode your dick and small your ass, get bent loser.
+PENIS BLAST
+--- 57865054
+>>57865008
+Mmm, sauna
+--- 57865064
+>>57864945
+A realistic portrayal of the military
+--- 57865068
+>>57865054
+sauna
+--- 57865077
+>>57865054
+I want to copulate with sweaty sauna witches
+--- 57865122
+>>57865064
+I don't think there has been even one (1) single anime about the real military. There may be an independently published manga, but if there is it never received an adaptation.
+unless you count Gate where a frankly fictional portrayal of the JSDF takes on fantasy Romans and dragons
+but that's straying from reality enough that I don't think it really counts
+If you're hoping for an anime telling a grounded military story set in the modern era you will be sorely disappointed. I guess it should be no wonder given how demilitarized the Japs became as a society during all of anime's existence.
+--- 57865144
+>>57864878
+I have it
+--- 57865155
+>>57865144
+Something tells me you aren't in the mood to share.
+--- 57865178
+>>57865008
+>>57865054
+After having tasted the joys of a sauna in Finland I kinda want to build my own now
+--- 57865200
+>>57865178
+My uncle who moved up to NH ended up building his own. Said it pretty much cured his wife's terrible allergies she'd get every year during winter.
+>Sam Hyde said the closest he's ever come to a true religious/spiritual experience was in a sauna after an intense workout
+Everyone who tries the sauna seems to love it and fully endorse it. Go for it.
+--- 57865333
+https://www.sako.global/coming-soon
+What did they mean by this? Surely they're not gonna sell a civilian version of their new rifles... are they?
+--- 57865408
+>>57854700
+The Big E is a place in mass that's an expo.
+One of the vendors there will definitely sell these shirts. Prepare for over priced to hell though.
+Weird seeing it worn by a drawn anime Steve on a Mongolian basket weaving form of all places.
+https://www.thebige.com/
+--- 57865595
+>>57865155
+Too lewd for here
+--- 57865628
+>>57853546 (OP)
+You have zero humanity if you enjoy watching Moeshitter shows. For most of human history, the stories passed down for generations have largely been epics in the form of religious prose, poetry, or song. This is because people enjoy hearing a good story of heroes and warriors triumphing over evil, getting past obstacles and going on a long journey like the Odyssey or the Epic of Gilgamesh. From these old stories came derivations which birthed genres like comedy, tragedy, satire, romance etc. These ancient stories have persevered in the modern era and has given forth new stories in the anime industry. Shounen as a genre is as big as it is because it has the same themes that make it comparable to an ancient epic. Romance and comedy come after because they too share these characteristics. But with Moetrash, you don't get any of that historical tradition. You have a group of cute girls doing nothing for as many chapters as possible. They do normal life activities like school or hanging out but contextualized with terrible satirical writing from a 40 year old otaku mangaka who never had a social life and thus can only guess how a young japanese girl would act. You as a reader are only observing boring and ordinary people and come away with no sense of awe or wonder. Really, you just consume a fictional character's life like a mindless normalfaggot browsing their favorite celebrity on IG. And while every reader has vicariously lived through the characters they enjoy, what does the moeshitter worship? A hero? A villain? A tragic character? No one. Just a retarded 14 year old chuuni girl written as a terrible overused trope.
+I will never watch a single episode of moeshit ever in my entire life.
+TDLR, run, fast.
+--- 57865654
+>>57865628
+Yeah except I'm physically stronger than you and faster than you. Your opinions mean nothing since you're so physically weak.
+>inb4 I'm replying to copypasta bait
+--- 57865663
+>>57865628
+Anyone have any duct-tape? The DBZ/S threads are leaking.
+--- 57865712
+>>57865628
+Shut the fuck up communist.
+--- 57865817
+>>57865333
+>sako coming soon
+--- 57865846
+>>57865333
+>INTRODUCING THE ALL NEW SAKO 15-22
+>it's a .22lr blowback rifle that vaguely resembles the AR-thing they're making
+>made by umarex
+calling it now
+--- 57865915
+>>57865883
+booba ass impregnation nakadashi harem sexoooooooooooooooooooooooo
+--- 57865931
+>>57865883
+>Mafia
+Love girls in suits
+--- 57865936
+what website can i watch anime 4 free which don't grab my ip and install bitcoin minor
+--- 57865958
+>>57865936
+just torrent it
+--- 57865960
+>>57865936
+qbittorrent.org + nyaa.si
+--- 57865964
+>>57865936
+I'm too lazy to even torrent
+I use 9anime . id
+--- 57865983
+>>57854724
+The laws of God
+--- 57865991
+>>57865628
+Don't worry sport, middle school is pretty hellish but things get better in high school
+--- 57866007
+>>57865200
+Where can I go to experience saunas like that? Do steam rooms at spas / expensive gyms compare?
+--- 57866016
+>>57865936
+Install adnauseam and use 9 anime.to works fine for me
+--- 57866028
+>>57864830
+You a woman or something?
+Why you talking so much?
+Shut the fuck up and eat the jerkey.
+I can only imagine how much you would ruin a hunting trip.
+--- 57866039
+>>57865931
+>suit
+We can go cuter
+--- 57866045
+>>57865958
+what if the cia put a rookit in the torrent
+>>57866016
+>>57865960
+>>57865964
+will it grab my ip
+--- 57866053
+>>57866045
+9anime.id probably doesnt do any mischievous
+just deny all cookie requests and clear your cache every now and then and youll be fine
+--- 57866057
+always good to be careful
+--- 57866061
+First of all, I want to impregnat Major Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell.
+Secondly, has anyone ever read the original GITS manga from the late 80's and 90's? How is it? I've heard it's a lot lighter in tone than any of the GITS since then, but is it so light that it's actually detrimental?
+--- 57866085
+>>57866045
+With adnauseam no, and it will click on all the ads in the background to fuck with tracking
+--- 57866088
+>>57866028
+I'm actually the guy who usually says "yup" or "nope" to everything, I just wanted a funny greentext as an example as what I imagine "almost mute" means. Daily life with a reindeer girl would be extremely quiet, imagine the intro to a King Of The Hill episode but after Dale says yup they just stand there for the next 12 hours.
+--- 57866122
+>>57866088
+>many words
+Yeah
+--- 57866170
+>>57866122
+Technically not talking though
+--- 57866180
+Anyone know which axe this is based off?
+--- 57866217
+>>57866180
+Cool image, makes me want to play The Long Drive
+--- 57866281
+>>57866180
+looks similar to RMJ tactical tomahawks.
+--- 57866423
+>>57866286
+I like corvids
+--- 57866881
+>>57861917
+yeah
+--- 57866982
+Communist sex gremlin
+--- 57868431
+>>57866982
+She's MY sex gremlin
+--- 57868791
+>>57868431
+Lickable nips
+--- 57869093
+>>57868431
+Blue board, anon
+--- 57870256
+>>57868431
+Haha I bet they don't sell uniforms in her size
+--- 57870439
+Still don't know why the weeb gun world lost it's shit over these tacticool hoodies
+--- 57870454
+>>57870439
+It's just that one artist who made them who keeps shilling them, and it worked.
+--- 57870543
+>>57853797
+Seriously? I'd like to read about that.
+--- 57870565
+>>57863386
+Gelbooru tags say it is.
+She got chocolate from the other girl and has been caught…exfoliating herself with it.
+--- 57870572
+>>57865008
+Homoerotic thoughts bout Snufkin is just part of growing up.
+--- 57870581
+>>57853827
+>>57858506
+And the Aztecs originated in Utah and wandered south until they landed in Mexico.
+--- 57870636
+>>57870543
+This guy goes into the basics, basically the Ainu belong to haplogroup D, which is found in small concentrations around Tibet and Burma but the second highest frequency outside of Japan is the Andaman Islands (most well known for the Sentinelese)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFohbr7ALeQ [Embed]
+--- 57870700
+I want to impregnate 416!
+--- 57870765
+>>57870700
+I want to impregnate the Albanian and make many weird toed babies!
+Do you think men carry babies in their prostates or their testicles?
+--- 57870782
+>>57866045
+Buddy, every website you visit grabs your IP. It has to in order to know where to send the data that makes up the user interface let alone anything you download.
+--- 57870820
+>>57870782
+You're trying to explain basic shit to a privacyfag, that's a losing battle, these people can't seem to comprehend the fact that any internet connection by it's very nature won't be secure.
+--- 57870837
+>>57870765
+The prostate has a fold that would have developed into a womb had he the rest of the Y chromosome.
+--- 57871007
+>>57870256
+>Haha I bet they don't sell uniforms in her size
+They don't, that's why Lend Lease exists.
+--- 57871073
+>>57864795
+The fact that some guys made the effort to decensor that episode was one of the singular most based moments in all of fansubbing history.
+--- 57871110
+>>57871073
+That actually happened? I thought it was a fever dream because I only ever saw that version the one time.
+--- 57871125
+>>57871007
+I don't think I've ever seen a flattie in an American flag bikini before. What a treasure.
+>>57871073
+blessed witch autism
+--- 57871143
+>>57871110
+It's 100% real, I still have that version buried on some external hdd, because the flame needs to be carried on for future generations.
+--- 57871147
+>>57871007
+Imagine the group sexxo
+--- 57871282
+>>57871125
+Only 4 stars on Katyusha
+--- 57872076
+I want to impregnate 416!
+--- 57872251
+>>57872076
+--- 57872479
+>>57853697
+>be admiral
+>on the way to your room
+>what's all the noise
+>Kongou runs down the hallway
+>chased by a naked, chocolate-covered Haruna
+>Hiei is probably in the kitchen, cooking something that has the potential to bring down a whole local ecosystem
+Just another normal day at the naval base
+--- 57872549
+>>57872479
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ongdjMgfs [Embed]
+--- 57872629
+>>57871147
+This guy draws Katyusha with huge thighs and it's pretty hot.
+--- 57872764
+>>57870700
+--- 57872793
+>>57866180
+>>57866281
+what this anon said, closest might be RMJ Tac Tomahawk or possibly a Winkler, Ontario Knife Co, or Blackside Customs design
+--- 57872839
+>>57871125
+Alisa does it better
+--- 57872891
+>>57871282
+A woman would need glorious giantess proportions to fit all 50...
+--- 57872986
+cock?
+--- 57873003
+>>57872839
+Gross, here's a better Alisa pic

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+-----
+--- 57853979
+AK General /akg/
+Ivan Meets GI Joe Edition
+>Thread #1927
+Old Thread:>>57805305 →
+--- 57853990
+AK Buyer's Guides
+>New
+https://based-bin.netlify.app/paste/61fbe5f3-62e8-42fd-8e3b-872be276edb1
+>Rifles
+https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/SimpleBuyersGuide
+>Magazines
+https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/AK_Mag_Buyers_Guide#Quality
+--- 57854536
+>>57853979 (OP)
+lets say you got an ak74, what optic would you use and why
+--- 57854594
+>>57854536
+Probably a holosun/primary arms red dot because I don't really care about optics.
+--- 57854604
+>>57854536
+primary arms 3x or 2x with the 5.56/5.45 reticle
+--- 57854610
+>>57854604
+>and why
+oh yeah, because it's good
+--- 57854616
+Where are the pioneer bros at?
+--- 57854622
+>>57854536
+Because reasons
+--- 57854730
+>>57854622
+I like it. Is the nvg scope worth the 1,500k to cop?
+--- 57854764
+>>57854730
+Idk about that particular scope but the Hungarian/polish ones go for about 400
+--- 57854864
+>>57853979 (OP)
+Washington fags, time has been bought for you:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LBv4_H0Ejk [Embed]
+--- 57854894
+Doing stalker challenge tonight. Canoeing across the lake quietly to an abandoned island where I'll camp over night then come back at dawn. Will make thread tomorrow this is to confirm my phone will post without issue later.
+--- 57854982
+>>57854894
+Godspeed anon.
+--- 57855314
+>>57854894
+Fare thee well, O Minnehaha!
+>On the clear and luminous water
+>Launched his birch canoe for sailing,
+>From the pebbles of the margin
+>Shoved it forth into the water;
+>Whispered to it, "Westward! westward!"
+>And with speed it darted forward.
+>And the evening sun descending
+>Set the clouds on fire with redness,
+>Burned the broad sky, like a prairie,
+>Left upon the level water
+>One long track and trail of splendor,
+>Down whose stream, as down a river,
+>Westward, westward Hiawatha
+>Sailed into the fiery sunset,
+>Sailed into the purple vapors,
+>Sailed into the dusk of evening
+--- 57855327
+>>57854616
+Here
+--- 57855331
+>>57854616
+--- 57855442
+>>57854864
+His channel has been such a godsend for my smooth brain.
+--- 57855491
+>>57854864
+Never forgetti
+--- 57855655
+>>57855491
+>why do representatives from areas full of people who want gun control voting for gun control
+Wild
+--- 57855704
+>>57854894
+Stay by the fire anon, if you hear any cries for help or strange noises keep your gun close
+--- 57855726
+>>57855491
+Strange I keep hearing how democrats are actually progun
+--- 57855982
+>>57855655
+what it means to be demoshart
+--- 57856588
+>>57854536
+acog with m193 reticle, matches almost perfectly with 7n6
+--- 57856643
+>>57855442
+Nice photo
+--- 57856681
+>>57854894
+What do you think the strange indiscernible noises of the zone are? The randon groans and shudders?
+--- 57856769
+>>57855442
+Whooops
+I didn't know.
+But, a nice picture.
+--- 57857118
+stalker was a success, some weird sounding birds last night but no skinwalkers. Had to sneaky canoe around the wildlife officer on the way there and the way back but pretty sure he was just asleep in the patrol boat or watching tv on his phone. This islands totally uninhabited and a real bitch to get to, only "accessible" by canoe. It takes half an hour of skipping the canoe over mangrove and swamp weeds before you can reach shore. It's literally impossible for a boat with a motor to reach it, so wildlife officer or police couldn't get to you even if they wanted to. You'd need paratroopers or another retarded guy on a canoe to come get me. Might start bringing some pallets with me and build a permanent little base out here.
+--- 57857205
+>>57855726
+real democrats has never been tried
+--- 57857605
+To the anon that needed info on the type 56, what info did you need?
+--- 57859287
+hope you're all having a comfy weekend thus far.
+--- 57859326
+>>57857605
+not him but i recall he was asking about the /56\ arsenal and its rarity. not sure he saw my reply on the end of the last thread or not.
+--- 57859374
+>>57854894
+Was just looking at your thread, nicely done, very based. Used to be a lot of cool sites to stalk when I lived in Alabama but I'm down by the Everglades now so not many options. I'd go out in glades (not during summer) if I had an airboat and a fren to larp with down here. Its loaded with gators and snakes including pythons but there is solid ground out there to setup camp on. I'd only sleep on the ground with rotating watch. Would be pretty epic stalker challenge though.
+--- 57859473
+>>57855442
+Terrible rivets
+--- 57859546
+>>57859473
+this dude said he got his rifle sent away like 5 months ago to fix those absolute shit done rivets and still continues to post that exact picture. I highly doubt he even got them fixed and he just said that to get people off his ass for buying/ making garbage.
+--- 57859550
+>>57856681
+It is almost certainly foxes. Foxes make absolutely ghoulish sounds, and their vocal range goes from deep grunting to what sounds like women being stabbed to death. Plus they are stealthy and will just pop up in random places without you noticing, and ghost just as fast. On top of that, they have shockingly loud vocalizations.
+--- 57859639
+Sup
+--- 57861100
+beryls when
+--- 57861250
+Hello, fellow slavaboos. How much would y’all pay for an Izhevsk M91/59 Mosin in good shape but probably refinished? I know the M91/59 is relatively rare, so I expect a bit more than standard Mosin price.
+--- 57861495
+>>57856769
+what the fuck
+--- 57861522
+thinking im gonna build a romanian md.65, I've got a virgin romanian barrel here and i found a local seller getting rid of an all matching parts kit for a decent price. it'll pair nice with my mak90 and wasr
+--- 57861539
+Just got my pm90 back from NW gun supply. It's perfect bros. Romy chrome barrel, all matching. They really do some excellent work. Gonna go magdump it at a pile of trash tmrw.
+--- 57861571
+>>57861539
+very nice looking gun
+--- 57861822
+My first AK is on the way to my LGS.
+How badly would the Romanians turn in their graves if I put Soviet Russian furniture on my Romanian AK? The pettiness of eastern Europeans is a force only rivaled by the fury of the sun itself...
+--- 57861864
+>>57854764
+Oh my fucking god thank you brother. That is way more affordable and will be perfect for larping while camping innawoods.
+--- 57861954
+Is there a way to properly shoulder my sk rifle and still use iron sights with muffs that I'd use from the range I go to. Or should I just get a mount and put a red dot on it?
+--- 57862151
+>>57861571
+Thanks anon they really did it justice. Cleaned the rust out of the folding mechanism, painted every nook and cranny.
+--- 57862197
+>>57856769
+>>57859473
+>>57859546
+Correct it's the same guy, me. It's been 9 months though. I don't have any new pics yet but when I do the rivets are primo, I've seen em. In a previous /akg/ I summarized the plethora of issues this rifle has/had. On the bright side though, it SHOULD be done by Tuesday barring any more issues. Should.
+I got a new phone and don't have any pictures either, no pics and no memes. Rip
+--- 57862247
+Are AKs still adequate for militaries? I've looked at the body of AK-12 that is going to get introduced to Russian, Indian etc. forces and the main body just looks like some prototype pried out of the hands of some ww2 corpse, selector and everything.
+--- 57862396
+>>57861822
+I put soviet Russian furniture on my Pioneer lmao. >>57855327
+Who cares what you do. As long as you like the look of it that’s what matters. Purists be damned.
+--- 57862502
+>>57854616
+>>57855327
+>>57855331
+Are pioneer bros really a thing? I'm confused
+--- 57862514
+>>57862151
+What parts did you use for 922r?
+--- 57862537
+>>57862514
+My dick and two balls, fedboi.
+--- 57862883
+>>57862197
+Just finished my 74 Bulgarian kit build on a Childers receiver.
+Went with plum ruskie furniture.
+I using a green Bulgie sling but will get a Ruskie stag sling which looks like what you have.
+Deciding on which type of paint ti use.
+I'm leaning towards Brownells bake on gun kote.
+I wanted to order some of the paint from russianpaint dot net to try but.........
+Get those dimple rivets fixed and then
+Your going to have a Really Nice rifle anon....
+--- 57862979
+>>57862832
+Nice thread stalkerfag ;)
+--- 57863029
+>>57854536
+I went with a UPO-1 and haven’t regretted it
+--- 57863273
+Should I just get a mount and slaps dot on my ak so I can at least not deal with the muffs squishing Into my face when I try to use the iron sights?
+--- 57863301
+>>57863273
+I just wear ear plugs under mine so that isn’t an issue
+--- 57863453
+>>57863301
+Only range I have is an indoor range since all the other outdoor ranges are an hour or 2 drive.
+--- 57863849
+>>57861539
+Is that normal for this stock to move slightly to the right? Like you can force and push slightly to the right?
+--- 57864019
+I forgot what model it is, but I have an Arsenal US converted Saiga in 7.62x39 with a fixed stock that has never been shot. Is it worth more than any other stamped AK?
+--- 57864043
+>>57864019
+Figure out what model it is you penis. If it's a slabside it's worth less. If it's dimpled it's worth more.
+--- 57864086
+Pretty sure it’s dimpled.
+--- 57864098
+I finally got around to building a trigger tansfer for my bullpup project. What have you done today /AKG?
+--- 57864111
+>>57864098
+Look at parts I need to order before WA state passes its fagass new law.
+--- 57864129
+>>57853979 (OP)
+Based thread
+--- 57864134
+>>57864098
+i cleaned my underfolder then had sex with a latina and now i'm watching ufc fights
+--- 57864140
+>>57855655
+lolwut
+they dont vote for gun control, they vote for gibs and citizenship that comes with gun control
+--- 57864142
+Should I just get a mount for my ak?
+--- 57864151
+>>57864098
+The fact that no autist has made Groza kits makes me sad.
+--- 57864153
+>>57864129
+based
+--- 57864199
+>>57864151
+Seriously, even the airshit version is like 3k and I would only want it to mock up parts
+--- 57864293
+>>57864151
+Are you new? Theres a 3 year old thread on the files where a guy built most of the parts, presold them, half delivered then cucked out. Another autist picked up where he left off and is currently cranking out kits as we speak.
+--- 57864438
+>>57864098
+Based anon. I'm the autist who's been spamming bullpup dracos the last few weeks. I got my AKU kit mounted up.
+>smoked my forehead on my red dot because I had my face too close to it
+>the rear sight rail mount is finniky
+>the handguardsdont fit great and wiggle a lot
+>the dust cover with the cheek rest doesn't fit and flew off after the first shot
+>pic not related, I dont post my guns on here
+I'm still working on it tho
+--- 57864486
+>>57864438
+man that would suck if you had a squib and it exploded, also enjoy a face full of gas there's a reason nobody uses bullpup AK's in large numbers
+--- 57864533
+My trunnion moved.
+--- 57864554
+>>57864533
+zpap butter wood + super tight fitment = shit getting doinked, your trunnion's riveted in that shit's going nowhere lol
+--- 57864564
+>>57864533
+Not the first time thst has happened with that furniture. Put a surplus Yugo boat oar stock on it.
+--- 57864591
+>>57864486
+>>57864438
+>man that would suck if you had a squib and it exploded, also enjoy a face full of gas there's a reason nobody uses bullpup AK's in large numbers
+yeah maybe. it would be cool tho
+--- 57864595
+>>57864554
+No man I really believe it shifted. The button is against the receiver to where it needs to be hammered with a punch now, no amount of kroil and cleaning has loosened it. But you are still half right the stock is ass and the bolt constantly walked out (2nd time it did with loc tite).
+>>57864564
+I do want one.
+--- 57864627
+haven't actually seen one even in pictures yet but do any anons have a Plum mold 88 mag? hopefully sending off my 1988 izzy kit soon and it'd be neat to get one for it.
+--- 57864639
+>>57864595
+Reach out to Zastava USA and tell them about the broken stock and the button. They’ll most likely take care of it for you and give you a new stock too.
+--- 57864665
+>>57864595
+damn son, that's brutal. haven't heard of that happening yet but like the other anon said, let them know and they should take care of you. common yugo L I suppose.
+--- 57864732
+>>57864639
+>>57864665
+Will do then, I just bought it back in January and was only about 700 rds into it.
+--- 57864909
+>>57864591
+there used to be a kit to convert your AK into this but it had an 8lb trigger that sucked ass
+--- 57864987
+>>57864533
+Did you read the owners manual first?
+--- 57865040
+>>57864987
+Son of a bitch, I sure did not.
+--- 57865102
+>>57865040
+Well my boy there's your problem.
+--- 57865127
+>>57864098
+cleaning gun and equipment after stalkering. dropped loaded magazine in lake and it completely filled with water. I shook the water out and just put it back in the pouch until I got back. Dried all the ammo, took apart the mag and dried it out, oiled the mag a little bit. Thank goodness that was using barnaul which has like an enamel over the steel case. Tula would;ve made such a bigger mess. None of my rounds rusted or varnished at all
+--- 57865247
+>>57864909
+I haven't measured the trigger but it's really not that bad. Fitting the kit to the pistol is the tricky part, everything's a bit rattily for now. It looks like parts of the handguards have been filed by a previous owner so there's material missing.
+--- 57865299
+>>57865127
+Love me Barnaul, I'll always prefer lacquer cases over the powdered shit. Also leaves the ammo equivalent to cheeto dust on your hands. I normally only buy the powder coated if I'm about to shoot all of it in not long after. Granted, that's more it's intention over being stored away for any length.
+--- 57865341
+>>57862502
+I was tempted to join by getting the 5.56 but opted for a WBP 7.62 as my first
+I'll give it a couple more months of field use by other anons before I'll get it, but I've only heard relatively positive things about it
+--- 57865415
+>>57864909
+>>57864098
+These complaints are why I started this trigger transfer bar from 1/16 steel. I cut a general shape and worked it down. The final connection to the trigger is done through a z shaped cam the transfers the front back motion to more of a front down pull. Technically i can use different lenghth "cams" for a different pull with this design.
+--- 57865571
+How much energy am I losing with a 12.5" 7.62x39 compared to a 16"? Compared to 5.56" out of a 14.5" is 7.62x39 out of a 12.5" going to net me any advantage?
+--- 57865755
+>>57865341
+>Almost got the Pioneer 5.56 but got the 7.62 WBP instead
+anon I think most here would agree you made the right choice
+--- 57865772
+>>57865571
+Not much. 7.62x39 depends a lot less on barrel length for velocity than 5.56 does
+--- 57865996
+>>57865571
+I read somewhere that 7.62x39 breaks down like this:
+>SKS with a 20.5" barrel averages around 2400fps at the muzzle
+>AK with a 16" barrel averages around 2350 FPS at the muzzle
+>Draco with an 11.5" barrel averages around 2150 FPS at the muzzle
+>Mini Draco with a 7.5" barrel averages around 1950 FPS at the muzzle
+It loses about 500 FPS when going from a full length rifle barrel to a short rifle/pistol length barrel which iirc superior to 5.56 with it's smaller projectile.
+--- 57866114
+>>57865996
+Thanks, that's mostly what I'm seeing as well. I have a 16" ak103 now and am not happy with the weight and balance after having set it up to be on par with my ar capability wise. I think I'll look at getting a 104 when possible since it retains much of the energy while weighing 1.5lbs less with less leverage penalty.
+--- 57866255
+>>57866114
+np. you can find a lot of good info by scrolling old boomer forums from like 2000-2010. lots of old 90s websites also have great infographics made by early internet gun autists.
+>Thanks, that's mostly what I'm seeing as well. I have a 16" ak103 now and am not happy with the weight and balance after having set it up to be on par with my ar capability wise. I think I'll look at getting a 104 when possible since it retains much of the energy while weighing 1.5lbs less with less leverage penalty.
+see >>57864591
+--- 57866459
+>>57862502
+I bought one just for shits and gigs. So far it’s been fine. I did have to modify the magwell to accept steel mags but other than that it’s been fine. Maybe a bit overgassed but no better or worse than a WASR.
+--- 57866592
+>>57866459
+Yeah except it says pioneer on it and has a dimple. Sorry but those crooked WASR rifles are just rock solid 98% of the time
+--- 57866729
+>>57866592
+>all those rails
+>not a thing on em
+Many such cases!
+--- 57866784
+>>57861539
+moly resin looks like shit. that looks like a fucking wasr lmao
+--- 57866926
+>>57866784
+>that cugir looks like a cugir!
+--- 57867008
+Tapco anon, if you've got the SAW grip, galil stock and handguard all in black, I'm willing to take it off your hands.
+--- 57867648
+>>57854616
+Reporting in. Nearly 2k rounds on my 556 and my firing pin just broke. Need a beryl fp for replacement.
+--- 57868527
+>>57862514
+>What parts did you use for 922r?
+kek
+--- 57869259
+>>57863849
+Not sure man. When the stock is locked up on mine it doesn't budge.
+--- 57869724
+>>57861539
+Where did you get the Romy barrel and how much did you pay? I need to get my kit built too.
+--- 57869821
+>>57861539
+Also did Corey put a PSA fcg and hammer in yours? He did for me even though I sent enough parts for 922r (furniture, mag, receiver). For some reason, I can’t get the hammer pin out either so I’m stuck with it. I think the Childers receiver may be out of spec or something. No idea but that sumbitch is stuck in there. He offered to fix his mistake but he wants me to pay for the shipping, which will be about a $50 ride each way. Kinda left a bad taste in my mouth, not sure if I’ll send him the rest of my kits or just buy a press and build them out myself.
+--- 57869923
+>>57864627
+There are no mold 88 mags, highest mold number they’ve used are late 50s and those are all black mags.
+--- 57870363
+Gonna finally build my Beretta AK. 5.56 NATO AK chads where ya at?!
+--- 57870647
+>>57870363
+Beretta doesn't make AKs you retard. You bought some shit east European no name kit didn't you?
+--- 57870906
+>>57869923
+Had the nagging suspicion myself. That’s for killing a small part of my aesthetic vision anon.
+--- 57870976
+>>57869821
+>I can’t get the hammer pin out
+did you take out the retainer plate?
+Try a hammer and punch. If you cant remove a stuck pin yourself I hate to tell you that ak's might not be for you.
+--- 57871056
+So besides very expensive parts kits we can never expect to see AK-12 stateside can we? I wouldn't mind an AK-12 in 5.56
+--- 57871228
+>>57871056
+psa will clone it in 5.56 mark my words
+--- 57871400
+>>57869724
+Got it on the files. I've got another one I'd sell ya for 200 bucks
+--- 57871426
+>>57870647
+He's probably building an AR70/90 as they are sometimes considered AK variants.
+--- 57871573
+>>57867648
+is that usual? I've got 10k through my wasr and I haven't had anything break yet.
+--- 57871581
+shiiet you niggas know i had to cop dat draco wit da banana clip
+--- 57871762
+I want a type56s-2 with a spiker and Chinese selector markings like you wouldn’t believe.
+--- 57871874
+>>57871573
+It’s normal for cope AKs
+--- 57872086
+bullpup Century GP1975 at my local gun shop for $700, should i or are these pieces of shit
+--- 57872176
+>>57872086
+Its a rare piece of shit id buy it
+--- 57872201
+>>57872086
+They're WASR 10/63s dressed up in bullpup kits. $700 is a good price. For comparison, my LGS had one as well but they wanted $2,500 for it. It sold eventually too
+--- 57872268
+>>57853979 (OP)
+No I dont live in a cuck mag state
+--- 57872280
+>>57864533
+Told ya nigs to never trust the serbs after they managed to """""""""lose"""""""""" a couple of their shit guns that ended up in shitskin hands in Paris yet here we are.
+--- 57872394
+>>57861954
+Why wouldn't you be able to shoulder the rifle properly with earmuffs on?
+--- 57872424
+>>57861954
+You aiming with your left eye?
+--- 57872601
+>>57871573
+No, it's a cheapo polish whore Ak. I wouldn't expect any of my military factory aks to have broken firing pins within 5k.
+--- 57872673
+>>57872086
+I would in a heartbeat. The kits themselves are damn near impossible to find. I paid about $250 for the one by itself.
+--- 57872690
+>>57872268
+you got fat toes nigga. what optic is that?
+--- 57872718
+>>57872280
+What are you talking about?
+--- 57872742
+>>57872690
+Agm rattler TS50-384 LRF varmit
+3700$
+--- 57872895
+>>57870976
+Yeah, did both while in a vise and zip tied the hammer spring to relieve tension. Not my first rodeo replacing 922r FCGs for surplus, but I’ve never built before so idk. Comes out a hair and then gets stuck on the shoulder of the pin. No amount of wiggling or mallet striking will remove it.
+--- 57872924
+>>57872268
+How does the fabdefense mag work?
+--- 57873085
+>>57859287
+nice collection, would do things to your Bulgarian 74 if left alone with it
+--- 57873181
+>>57869233
+>>57869305
+Ill raise you a Kurdish communista
+--- 57873275
+>>57873181
+--- 57873286
+>>57871581
+Sheeiitt .. El Royial, My Nigga..

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+--- 57856696
+Explain to me, how can a retarded zoomer access top secret documents within 3 years of basic service?
+If it's that easy, doesn't this mean any 3rd world secret service has access to them, too?
+--- 57856704
+>>57856696 (OP)
+The launch codes will be leak within the next 5 years
+--- 57856734
+its fort Bragg, dude
+People who serve there are extremely arrogant, thinking they are the best of the best of the best and that they control the world
+--- 57856740
+>>57856696 (OP)
+because it's all a psyop
+--- 57856748
+>>57856740
+Same, Im pretty convinced that either this guy is a fall guy and will be "convicted" but wont actually be, or hes a dumb faggot that got his hands on some bait that glowies laid down for retards to pick up.
+--- 57856751
+>>57856740
+funny that you say it because divisions responsible for psy ops are stationed at Fort Bragg
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Psychological_Operations_Group
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Psychological_Operations_Group
+--- 57856773
+>>57856751
+And?
+--- 57856781
+>>57856740
+Meds
+--- 57856786
+>>57856740
+Exactly, people (and Russians) are retarded
+--- 57856788
+>>57856748
+Once he gets executed for treason, what would you said? CGI I suppose isn't it anon? Ai deepfake?
+--- 57856800
+>>57856781
+>>57856788
+glowie shill force spotted
+--- 57856804
+>>57856696 (OP)
+A lot of supposedly 100% digital, efficient and secure systems basically run on low-tier personnel scanning papers, sending faxes and whatever back and forth. The management is just too retarded to demand or design a system that works without this kind of labor, and someone has to carry the data across the gaps.
+Wasn't this guy basically doing that?
+--- 57856805
+>>57856773
+They just used this fool to ""Leak"" this data to this fall guy. None of those papers actually present any threat to US, as if they cherrypicked to serve US intrest.
+Didn't you notice how happily media was covering this leak? When NEEDED, American media can keep their mouth shut, as if there is a mouth gag - like when Hersh reported on US involvment in Nord Stream 2 bombings - American media was ignoring it, never mentioning it, as if they got the order to blacklist this story from their pages. But with this leak - it was as if they got deliberate order to cover this "leak" and talk about it non stop. Anyone with a working brain understands whats happening here.
+--- 57856814
+>>57856805
+>Hersh
+meds now
+--- 57856815
+>>57856800
+Thanks for posting the propaganda for me, you made it easy this day ;)
+--- 57856820
+>>57856814
+Glowing harder than the sun
+--- 57856821
+>>57856788
+They'll probably just give him the Manning treatment and throw his ass into Leavenworth for a decade or two.
+--- 57856823
+>>57856814
+>On December 22, 1974, Hersh exposed Operation CHAOS, a massive CIA program of domestic wiretapping and infiltration of anti-war groups during the Nixon administration, which was conducted in direct violation of the agency's charter. Hersh reported that dossiers had been compiled on at least 10,000 American citizens, including congressmen; the government eventually conceded the figure was closer to 300,000. He wrote 34 more articles on the story over the next months; they prompted the formation of the Rockefeller Commission and Church Committee, which investigated covert CIA operations and led to reforms of the agency.
+No wonder CIA faggots hate Hersh.
+--- 57856826
+>>57856814
+He's right though, it makes perfect sense. When leaks happen hard drives mysteriously go up in flames, they aren't distributed everywhere
+--- 57856839
+>>57856696 (OP)
+>>57856740
+>>57856734
+>>57856748
+>>57856751
+>>57856804
+>>57856805
+Look up at the family of this faggot and what were the positions they were at and you will know this was pure old infiltration tactics from USSR era books, it could have worked if not for a zoomer being the one in the next chain of passage
+--- 57856844
+I simply do not believe the USA would do everything in their power to rub this leak in everyone's face. It's like when the military industrial complex says
+>teehee our enemies are SOOOOO advanced we need $100 gajillion dollars to develop xyz
+and only Americans understand that it's asking for money, while foreigners think it's some kind of signal the US military is collapsing.
+>oh hey russia here's exactly what is happening here's when it's arriving here's if it's on schedule to arrive and here's what it'll do
+Tell me I'm coping but this is textbook controlled leak
+--- 57856855
+>>57856844
+>>oh hey russia here's exactly what is happening here's when it's arriving here's if it's on schedule to arrive and here's what it'll do
+also
+>we are literally using our special forces in ukraine
+Ultimately it's not like it will cause Russia to do anything, the Finland goalpost got moved, the Western tanks goalpost got moved, it's only a matter of time until the Russian border is moved
+--- 57856856
+>>57856844
+There are videos that show that 9/11 was fake, there were never any planes and yet here you are being psyopted yet again
+--- 57856875
+>>57856804
+The systems are also probably really old, and everyone who works on them regularly knows all the backdoors and vulnerabilities. My job has a military-adjacent system that's running some sort of hybrid abomination DOS monstrosity, and people used to be able to get into all sorts of supposedly secure parts of the network using the same weird quirks the security department was using to audit computer usage. Took them a while to close the vulnerabilities, presumably because they didn't have any other way to do their actual job without them.
+--- 57856877
+>>57856855
+>it's only a matter of time until the Russian border is moved
+You are acting more schizophrenic that all the others in the thread
+--- 57856886
+>>57856880
+Thanks for exposing yourself captain obvious
+--- 57856887
+Look at these totally legit leaks guys!
+--- 57856950
+>>57856704
+It was 12345 or 00000 or something wasnt it?
+--- 57856964
+>>57856805
+>Hersh
+--- 57857198
+>>57856788
+>what would you said
+ESL detected
+captcha: JANR8
+--- 57857203
+>>57856964
+This. Every single story Seymour Hersh has ever run has turned out to be bullshit. My Lai never happened.
+--- 57857226
+>>57857203
+No, more like he's continually trying to relive his glory days of "sticking it to the man" and defaults to the boomer sixties position of the American Government is always wrong.
+--- 57857242
+>>57857226
+Yes, I know Hersh is jewish, but he's a book jew, and the bad jews are the bank jews.
+--- 57857260
+>>57856839
+>Look up at the family of this faggot
+Glowies?
+--- 57857271
+>>57856839
+>he's actually a soviet sleeper agent!
+>the soviets are in my walls!
+meds now, schizo
+--- 57857281
+>>57856696 (OP)
+>how can a retarded zoomer access top secret documents within 3 years of basic service
+The DoD side of the IC is just a vast homogenous plain of 21 year old spergs, dude. The country's intelligence runs on 'tisms.
+--- 57857288
+>>57857281
+The world would be a much better place if sociopaths, narcissists, and autists were barred from ever holding any kind of position of power over others. Actually, we should just cull them for the betterment of the population.
+--- 57857304
+>>57856704
+>The launch codes will be leak within the next 5 years
+where do you enter them?
+--- 57857324
+>>57857288
+>>57857288
+>>57857288
+--- 57857351
+>>57857271
+soviet agents were the reason why the russians now (supposedly) have nukes
+--- 57857365
+>>57857351
+source: some bored boomer retard who had to make shit up just to make his job interesting because russians are so broke and incompetent that they could never have the kind of globe-spanning surveillance network that we've built up
+--- 57857387
+>>57857288
+>The world would be a much better place if [business execs], [entertainers and politicians], and [STEM majors] were barred from ever holding any of position of power over others.
+Tall order. God's speed anon.
+--- 57857397
+>>57857365
+meds
+--- 57857402
+>>57857387
+Godspeed*
+--- 57857412
+>>57857397
+Yes, I agree, people who are actually delusional and schizophrenic enough to believe that slavs could ever build and maintain a globe-spanning intelligence network need to take their meds. They're a race of drunken potato-farming retards, and are a threat only to other drunken potato-farming retards.
+--- 57857416
+>>57857412
+meds, now
+--- 57857418
+>>57856823
+300k Soviet sympathising traitors. Anti-war is a code word for anti-West.
+--- 57857423
+>>57856839
+Get bent. The USSR has been gone for fucking 30 years and has literally rusted away. Stop masturbating with ancient, moldy fucking panics.
+--- 57857429
+>>57857416
+Yeah, 100%, people afraid of alcoholic retards on the other side of the planet should definitely take their meds.
+--- 57857432
+>>57857423
+>The USSR has been gone for fucking 30 years and has literally rusted away
+that's what a typical npc would say
+--- 57857435
+>>57857423
+The USSR didn’t die, it just got smaller.
+--- 57857437
+>>57857412
+The big problem with Soviet intelligence wasn't the Soviets. It was their propoganda convinced very open minded and capable people outside of the USSR to do it for them. Stalin wished he had a secret police as good as the Stasi.
+--- 57857441
+>>57857418
+Found the falseflagging vatnik trying to make good hearted American nationalists look like war criminals. Modern American nationalism / fascism is anti-imperialist.
+--- 57857447
+>>57856740
+Yeah.
+--- 57857455
+>>57857437
+I literally do not give a fuck about what happens in Europe. We're talking about America, and the Stasi were not operating here. The affairs of dumb yuropoors have never and will never be my problem.
+--- 57857464
+>>57856696 (OP)
+imagane spending years if not decades infiltrating a enemy nations intelligence when you can just sign up and have acess to top secret docs within 3 years. spies on suicide watch
+--- 57857467
+>>57856696 (OP)
+He worked at an intel wing as an intel airman. He most likely was some sort of briefer as what he leaked were clearly powerpoint slides designed for some briefing. This is like asking how a missileer at a missile base got near a nuke.
+>within 3 years
+What should we do with our intel guys, make them sit with their thumb in their ass for 4 years before they can start working?
+--- 57857488
+It's not hard at all to get a TS, and even easier when you're that young and that early in your career because you simply haven't done anything yet that would prevent you from getting one.
+--- 57857506
+>>57857455
+>will never be my problem
+Bruh, how much of the bullshit that the US got up to in central and south America was due to governments there embracing Marxist/Leninist theory and USSR aid? How many shitty foreign adventures in MENA?
+--- 57857521
+>>57857467
+> Yes. Young people's brains are simply not developed enough at 21 to handle this level of responsibility. Now ask me about my opinions on gun ownership or alcohol use at this age as well for extra fun.
+--- 57857526
+>>57857506
+>how much of the bullshit that the US got up to in central and south America was due to governments there embracing Marxist/Leninist theory and USSR aid? How many shitty foreign adventures in MENA?
+It turns out, almost none of them. After the USSR crumbled, it came out that they were operating in basically none of the areas the CIA thought they were, and most of the movements we tried to suppress in those areas were actually democratic movements driven by the national populations.
+see:
+>>57857365
+--- 57857565
+>>57856805
+The reason I know this is an epic fuckup not initiated by glowies is the mention of the domestic Israeli political landscape and how it would influence Israel being used as a source for SAMs. No planted propaganda would have gone down that path. In any presentation to leaders, it is easy to produce figures because you don't have to defend and you can hide the source, only the number. Opinions and conclusions are endeavored only by rare fools with clout and that means jews. This exposed jews. That info creates political tension within Israel. That info highlights Israeli involvement in US policy and US involvement in Israeli politics. The kid is a patsy but the genesis not from the US side unless it was a splinter from the administration.
+--- 57857584
+>>57857565
+>muh joos
+meds now, schizo
+--- 57857602
+>>57857526
+> USSR wasn't directly operating in C/S America or MENA
+Cool info. What does that have to do with our current thread? I'm not talking about the US/UK giving Mossadegh the boot because the KGB was hanging out in Tehran.
+--- 57857618
+>>57857565
+da joos
+--- 57857623
+>>57856740
+>because it's all a psyop
+inb4 he gets the firing squad
+--- 57857624
+So in the US the national guard is not only a reserve, but you can have a full time job there and get access to secret documents???
+--- 57857628
+>>57857602
+>What does that have to do with our current thread?
+It was a reply to a point someone else brought up. Take it up with: >>57857506
+--- 57857633
+>>57857304
+On a keyboard that opens a glass box where the red button is but you have to sneak in to the oval office first
+--- 57857671
+>>57857628
+No man. I am that guy. I want.to know why you brought up Soviet intelligence having to operate in a country as a pre-requisite for the US to get involved. That has clearly never been a requirement. Someone embracing Soviet aid or even just economic theory has been enough for us to get involved. And usually fuck ourselves in the process.
+--- 57857685
+>>57857671
+>us
+First of all, you're not American. Secondly, I never once said that
+>Soviet intelligence having to operate in a country as a pre-requisite for the US to get involved
+In fact, I stated the opposite. You should take more English classes before trying to take part in an English-language conversation online.
+--- 57857691
+>>57857671
+>Soviet aid
+Finland here, when the soviets say they're air-dropping bread baskets they're dropping bombs on civilians
+--- 57857762
+>>57857685
+I have eaten more Whataburger than you, anon. And I know where you can get Hatch chili burger there year round. But if you're saying that the biggest threat to the US from the USSR was us scared they had the superior economic theory and tripping over ourselves to prove/force the issue otherwise, then yeah, I misread.
+--- 57857779
+>>57856696 (OP)
+>secret documents
+>basic shit everyone already knew but in power point for boomer edification
+This is up there with the chinese balloon in terms of fucking nothing
+--- 57857791
+The DoD is made up of thousands of 20 something clerks and desk jockeys. Most of them aren't dumb enough to do this.
+--- 57857802
+>>57857762
+>But if you're saying that the biggest threat to the US from the USSR was us scared they had the superior economic theory and tripping over ourselves to prove/force the issue otherwise, then yeah, I misread.
+I am saying that, and I'm saying that as a fascist. The neoliberal world order is fucking disgusting and needs to go.
+Also, Denver does Hatch chili based food better than anywhere else, even better than New Mexico and especially Texas.
+--- 57857827
+>>57857802
+> Denver does Hatch chillis better than NM
+I have severe doubts, but I also haven't ever spent much time in Denver. I can tell you Pueblo and Colorado Springs damn sure didn't.
+--- 57857858
+>>57857827
+Another thing: Culver's is better than Whataburger.
+--- 57857862
+>>57857802
+> > The neoliberal world order is fucking disgusting and needs to go.
+Lol, he doesn't know.
+--- 57857870
+>>57857858
+Tough, but fair.
+--- 57857883
+>>57857862
+Looking back, "The End of History" - just the title alone - is perfectly emblematic of the inherent narcissism of neoliberals.
+>Scratch a liberal and you get an aristocrat.
+Frank Herbert knew. Reign of the Godworm when?
+--- 57857896
+>>57857870
+Okay, this is the new official way to verify American status. Gun and passport posting is out, and burgerposting is in.
+--- 57857919
+>>57857883
+>Scratch a liberal and you get an aristocrat.
+> Believe in Social Darwinism
+> Get upset when the theory does what it says
+Many such cases.
+>>57857896
+What kind of psycho takes pictures of their fast food?
+--- 57857961
+>>57856856
+May I see them?
+--- 57857966
+>>57857919
+I believe in social darwinism, but I also believe that there is no such thing as an inherent human society, because humans have organized themselves in many different ways throughout the past 50,000 years. The people best suited to any system will rise to the top, so we have to create systems that enable and embolden the best human qualities.
+--- 57858007
+>>57857961
+no
+--- 57858025
+>>57857966
+Whomst among us doesn't have our little plans for our ideal society? I thank God I didn't read Pericles's Funeral Oration until I was older, or 20 year old me would have run off and done something dumb and ended up dead or working in government.
+--- 57858083
+>>57857304
+you simply call the nearby missile control center and say "hello, I am liking to order nuclear strike please)" then tell them the codes, and the nukes will launch in 30 minutes or less or your money back
+--- 57858446
+>>57858083
+--- 57858831
+>>57856696 (OP)
+>doesn't this mean any 3rd world secret service has access to them, too?
+only if you start an argument on discord
+--- 57858840
+>>57858446
+Now let's see the Russians silos, how much rust?
+--- 57859267
+>>57856823
+Yes, but that was almost 50 years ago
+--- 57859462
+>>57856856
+>there were never any planes
+meds
+--- 57859717
+>>57856696 (OP)
+what I always find laughable is that these people are almost always "reservists"
+they're not even full time/active duty, why the fuck do they have access to any documents at all? what kind of retard shit show are you guys running down there?
+t. infallible Canadian
+--- 57859781
+>>57856696 (OP)
+ They don’t.
+ This is a feeble PsyOp head fake, mainly targeted at Americans.
+ Rewind to the Bradley Manning bullshit mind-fuck.
+ Since when do Army enlisted pukes have access to State Department classified cables?
+ It’s ridiculous to even entertain such a preposterous notion.
+--- 57859790
+>>57859781
+i bet we'll soon find out that he's a DRUMPFFFF!!!!11!! supporter and ebil right wing exdreemisd
+--- 57859802
+>>57859790
+The guy spammed pol memes in his server so I wouldn't be surprised
+--- 57859809
+>ayo lemme jus dump da secrets
+--- 57859823
+>>57859802
+yes I'm sure there will be a nice neat breadcrumb trail to complete their narrative, always is.
+--- 57860205
+>>57859781
+>Since when do Army enlisted pukes have access to State Department classified cables?
+Since it has gotten the pant-on-head doctrine that you need a security clearance to breathe.
+Ass-covering is such a national sport that EVERYTHING is classified. Mainly to make sure the military is never accountable to anything.
+The result is the guy that fixes computers (Snowden) works a desk browsing shit on the military intranet (Manning) has to consult a computer (the new guy) need special, top secret and classified clearances respectively.
+The cleareance system as it is, is RETARDED it gives blanket access to so much shit (again because so much is blanket classified beyond rhyme or reason) of course it gets leaked.
+What should have happened after Manning was a revision of the sytem.
+Drawing inspiration from the soviet system might be an idea (back in the soviet union clearance level went with military ranks. No fucking way a soldier gets a look at anything else than an infantry manual, a lieutenant to a map, a colonel to something classified).
+If in the army of pogs you suddenly need a rank to watch shit that is classified one can assume you've been there for a while and are less likely to leak shit. It migh mean you need to promote people to colonel for them to work but by doing so it's expensive, it will get the regular officers mad and ultimately you will be enticed to NOT GIVE CLEARANCES LIKE CANDIES.
+It also means you will have to declassify a lot of shit for your soldiers to work which is in a democracy A GOOD THING.
+--- 57860422
+>>57857467
+He wasn't a briefer, he was a powerpoint monke. That's how he had access to the file, he knew better not to move it electronically
+--- 57860438
+>>57857618
+Occam's razor
+--- 57860452
+>>57857304
+https://www.whitehouse.gov/nuclear-launch-web-portal/
+--- 57860472
+>>57857762
+economics in service to a social agenda of jews, that being supplanting the family with The State. Do you disagree?
+--- 57860485
+>>57856696 (OP)
+I'll answer your question right after you explain to me how Biden can deploy troops in Ukraine while at the same time lying about it to congress and the public? and that doesn't appear to be the only thing Biden is lying about regarding the conflict in Ukraine.
+You attack the messenger and don't seem to be paying any attention to the fucked up message. fucking brain dead sheep.
+--- 57860503
+>>57857966
+>create systems that enable and embolden the best human qualities.
+It's called the two parent family with adjunct blood relations nearby.
+--- 57860514
+>>57860485
+Where does it say that US troops have been deployed? Are you retarded? Did you mean to click /pol/?
+--- 57860521
+>>57860514
+you need to go read the docs. special forces of the USA have been deployed in Ukraine.
+--- 57860551
+>>57860521
+It's literally 14 entire DoD personnel in all of Ukraine. At least pretend to read.
+--- 57860564
+>>57860205
+>back in the soviet union clearance level went with military ranks.
+Anon all Soviet basic manuals had "secret" classification, so all Soviet soldiers got "secret" clearance. Difference was Soviets had clearance level above top secret and all glowie staff went as such.
+--- 57860565
+>>57860521
+I have read 48 of the pages and nowhere is anything like that mentioned. Prove me wrong and post the relevant page then.
+--- 57860567
+>>57860485
+>while at the same time lying about it to congress and the public
+Do you actually have any records of Biden saying there were no U.S. troops deployed in Ukraine?
+--- 57860576
+>>57860551
+>>57860485
+To add to this, 11 of those 14 are Marine Embassy guards.
+>>57860565
+There's a (maybe one of the photoshopped, admittedly) page where it states "Personnel in Ukraine by country" and it came out to a whopping 14 American DoD personnel in the entire country.
+--- 57860578
+>>57856805
+>Hersh
+>Reporting
+Pick one and only one
+--- 57860583
+>>57860485
+US special forces operator in every country on Earth, this isn't a new revelation in the slightest
+--- 57860586
+>>57860564
++Russian current infantry squad composition and platton tactics manual is secret. So in this competition
+>Ass-covering is such a national sport that EVERYTHING is classified
+Russia wins hands down.
+--- 57860599
+>>57860576
+Yeah but DoD personnel is not the same as "troops". Probably just some comms guys.
+--- 57860613
+>>57859717
+I was going to ask you the same thing.
+--- 57860620
+>>57860205
+t. has never been in a SCIF
+Note the leaks said "SCI", which means they weren't blanket TS. You also don't seem to know what interim clearance or NtK is.
+Then you go on and post complete and utter retardation (Junior Soldiers and Leaders can't see OPORDs now I guess)
+--- 57860662
+>>57860583
+biden has said since before the full scale invasion even happened that no us troops would be sent to Ukraine. no government spokesperson has ever announced to the public that US troops are on the ground in Ukraine.
+thus the expressions of surprise.
+--- 57860750
+>>57860662
+The US embassy in Ukraine is still open, that accounts for a significant fraction of the """Special Forces""" in the country.
+--- 57860765
+>>57860567
+alex jones said that us soldiers in yuke uniforms are dying in yucrain
+--- 57860784
+>>57860662
+>thus the expressions of surprise.
+Nice backpedaling
+--- 57861018
+>>57857862
+Fukuyama was RIGHT!
+Early, wrong about the method, but right nonetheless
+--- 57861173
+>>57856805
+>When NEEDED, American media can keep their mouth shut
+I fucking wish
+--- 57861876
+>>57860662
+> schizo backpedals any % speedrun
+--- 57862111
+>>57857584
+>>57857618
+Now that's just insulting, you could at least try to make it believable.
+--- 57862128
+>>57860551
+>14 entire DoD personnel
+Special forces, paid poster.
+--- 57862284
+Where are yall reading the leaked docs at?
+--- 57863213
+>>57856950
+It was 0000 during the cold war. Funny to think some sneaky slav spy could have glass cities in his first try if he decided to go through all 10k possible codes lol
+--- 57863501
+>>57856696 (OP)
+You can access top secret documents even earlier than that. Just based on my personal experience (in my own pool of confidential material I get to work with), several of my peers are anti-American communists who want Russia to win, and several others are anti-globalist terrorists that want to kill leftists.
+How the fuck do these people pass a background check? Either the background check fucking sucks, or the military is so desperate for more people that as long as they don't have any connections to foreign governments they're good to go, regardless of their extreme political views.
+What's funny is that they have mandatory lessons on spotting insider threats everyone in the military has to do at some point, and one of our peers was an exact match for all the red flags the video taught us to look out for, so one of my friends actually reported him just as the video instructed and literally nothing ever happened. What a fucking joke.
+--- 57863520
+>>57857565
+Imagine seeing proof that isreal does not control the US, and rather than the US has major power over isreal....and you twist your brain into a knot to try to get out of that fact.
+--- 57863540
+>>57856696 (OP)
+what does this have to do with weapons?
+where in your post are you talking about the use of a weapon?
+--- 57863576
+>>57856800
+that 1000-cock stare
+--- 57863796
+>>57856788
+It's called a patsy they do this all the time to their own.
+--- 57863880
+>>57856696 (OP)
+ChairForce has 22 yo kids taking 3 stars positions, top secret noforn EZ this kids was over qualified
+--- 57863993
+>>57863880
+i wonder if we ever hear how lowly natty gal corporal got their hands TS/SC/NOFORN papers?
+--- 57864053
+>>57856696 (OP)
+Post-9/11 intelligence reforms recommended by the 9/11 commission emphasized intelligence sharing. Leaks like this are exactly why these reforms were bullshit.
+Want to stop leaks like this? Go back to stovepiping.
+--- 57864099
+>>57864053
+No, we just have to post "fake leaks" on 4chan.ru/kuck until pootin falls for it
+--- 57864104
+>>57857565
+Anon the papers unironically show that Israel is subservient to the United States
+--- 57864113
+>>57862128
+Brain rot
+>>57863501
+The real question is why haven't you reported them, faggot? I've gotten people discharged over shit like this before.
+--- 57864118
+>>57864104
+This goes against every single fucking thing that /pol/ has taught me.
+REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
+--- 57864168
+>>57856734
+he was at bragg?
+>>57856751
+aquino faked his death, since a dead man cant testify.
+--- 57864195
+>>57856805
+>my rrats are good and true
+>their rrats are fake and gay
+--- 57864203
+>>57856880
+oddly enough, the ones doing 90%+ of the disinfo is the dependas of the schmucks who are based there. brass knows, aint cares, keep up the good work soldier hoorah!
+--- 57864217
+>>57857242
+all jews are bad news.
+--- 57864222
+>>57860485
+ayo where is hunters laptop ?
+--- 57864239
+>>57857365
+those kikes were out of lakewood dov. how was your sabbath?
+--- 57864385
+>>57856734
+You went full retard. He was Massachusetts National Guard.
+Never go full retard.
+--- 57864409
+>>57856751
+Ft Bragg has Psychological Operations units, yes. Are all the PO units based there? No. Fusk off with your anti- FT Bragg agenda. Sorry you weren't good enough.
+--- 57864429
+>>57856696 (OP)
+and it was fucking posted on a thug shaker discord
+i came to post cheeked up black men,i arrived to leaked US documents
+--- 57864430
+>>57857435
+and hired a marketing agency operating out of a mexican fleamarket to do the rebranding.
+>>57857464
+or doing what the chinks did, take hold of academia through blackmail and academic fraud. they get the info directly
+>>57857691
+everyone knows soviets had no bread.
+>>57857896
+COOK-OUT MASTERRACE REPORTAN IN
+>>57858840
+in 2013 some ruskie conscript stationed in siberia showed the flooded missile complex and depot he was stationed at on here
+>>57860576
+lol. lmao. god alone knows how many SAD teams are running loose doing serial killer things in ukraine as we speak.
+--- 57864437
+>>57856823
+Are the names of these people available online? A company could profit by filtering these names, and their descendants from those they hire.
+--- 57864478
+>>57857827
+This is a definite lie. Colorado is where taste buds go to die
+--- 57864492
+>>57857966
+You will be a top.
+--- 57864499
+>>57863501
+> anti-globalist terrorists that want to kill leftists
+>terrorists
+What acts of terror have they committed?
+--- 57864505
+>>57864409
+glownigger begone. ft liberty lol is full of faggots and ladyboy on bragg blvd enthusiasts. no one wants to be stationed in ft suspicious ritualistic death.
+faggotnam doesnt even have a costco because the local homeless attacked the costco executives when they were getting sucked off by the niggers in city hall. hows your $125k after financing at 5600% APR dodge charger r/t?
+--- 57864774
+>>57856696 (OP)
+He underwent very extensive background checks. He wasn't a traitor.
+The air force didn't take into account how retarded kids are these days.
+--- 57865020
+>>57858446
+>tfw no singles policy at the nuclear bunker
+--- 57865298
+>>57864430
+Are you unironically fucking retarded anon, the discussion is clearly in the frame of "The US admitted (maybe) to having 14 DoD personnel in Ukraine", to which I said "Yes, but 11 of them are Marine Embassy guards" you stupid fucking monkey, lmfao. Learn how to read.
+--- 57865998
+>>57860205
+ I’m not arguing your point about how classification-happy the ZOG has gotten, but rather the absurd notion that Mother State and CIA are going to ensure that Army Specialist Jackoff in FSB Camel Scrotum, Absurdistan is on the distribution list for THEIR cookbooks and recipe-sharing servers.
+ The Army doesn’t tell the Navy and the Navy doesn’t tell the Air Force.
+ Nobody tells the Guard, and the Spooks don’t tell ANYBODY unless they WANT to…and likely as not it’s a bulkshit mind game to further some Office Politics going down at Langley with not much relation to the outside world.
+ The Diplos only tell each other, which is just as well, since they’re the only ones that speak their languages, and they usually don’t have anything interesting to say.
+ The NSA is mute, but listens to everyone, and the NRO doesn’t really exist, so stop asking or you’re going to fucking disappear.
+ And then up pops this TurboFaggot Manning with all this juicy greasy shit…just like this hapless boogereater Air Guardsman in Massachusetts.
+ Jesus wept…I don’t buy this as a legit leak.
+--- 57866049
+>>57865998
+It's not the 1980s anymore, they tore down a lot of walls post 9/11. Everyone I talk to that actually has a clearance is not surprised the kid had access. One of them got his TS at 18 same as the kid did. The right hand does in fact talk to the left- the shit that was leaked is daily/weekly briefings intended to keep EVERYONE up to speed on the same intel events. They're supposedly available to everyone with a TS and a SIPRnet account.
+--- 57866052
+>>57863501
+ What do you think Senator McCarthy’s subcommittee was ACTUALLY doing?
+ Should overt or covert Marxists and Maoists hold security clearances and/or have access to sensitive info and materials?
+ That was it…that’s what he and Roy Cohn and Bobby Kennedy, (committee co-counsels), were doing.
+ And McCarthy got censured for it and had his sub-committee disbanded.
+ Think about what that MEANS right down to today…
+ Remember Robert Hanssen of the FBI?
+What was his FBI job when he was busted as a mole for the Soviets and Russians?
+--- 57866103
+>>57866049
+ The walls didn’t get torn down to THAT low a level.
+ Mainly the ones between the Spooks and the Spycatchers…and that at Senior Executive Service level…the rabbis speak to each other at the DNI Table.
+ Not office-drone level pukes like this punk.
+It occurs that this might be a ploy to put those walls back up.
+--- 57866117
+>>57866103
+I'm sorry.... Let me get it across in something more your level.....
+He leaked stuff that's intentionally spread as far as it can so that everyone's at the same op level. The "office-drone level pukes" need access to this shit so they can prepare leaders on it. Why would the goverment want to make everything screech to a halt?
+--- 57866159
+>>57864499
+Nothing, they spout /pol/ talking points about how all the Jews need to die, leftists and fags need to be tortured and hanged, etc.
+--- 57866218
+>>57856800
+>a woman in the military? Psyop
+--- 57866241
+>>57866103
+Are you just shitposting or something
+--- 57866808
+>>57866218
+except her specialty is exactly psyops (Linkedin profile)
+--- 57866830
+>>57866218
+you are a worthless retard
+--- 57867020
+>>57857387
+kek
+--- 57867030
+>>57856800
+Threadly reminder she has the voice of a chainsmoking hon-type tranny, somehow.
+--- 57867198
+>>57867030
+thready reminder she is 5' 8 and has huge feet
+--- 57867222
+>>57866808
+She's a nobody reservist who got famous and now sells calendars of herself
+--- 57867233
+>>57867198
+>>57867030
+>she
+--- 57867487
+>>57867198
+>huge feet
+Hot, got anymore
+--- 57867515
+>>57857455
+post oppenheimer
+ also the woke cultists plagueing and rotting your institutions right now are a derivate of marxism spliced within a puritan framework
+--- 57867524
+>>57857526
+>we tried to suppress in those areas were actually democratic movements driven by the national populations.
+uhuh. Who dindu nuffin of course. Like FARC
+way to out yourself tankie troon
+--- 57867553
+>>57859267
+You're right. Thanks to Snowden we know that the constitutional violations by the glowniggers are infinitely worse today.
+--- 57867564
+>>57856788
+No one gets snuffed even for desertion in a combat zone. Little bitch will get a BCD and maybe time served.
+--- 57867595
+>>57864099
+Wait... the government was concealing those things?
+--- 57867634
+>>57866218
+Actually yes, russian psyop and burgers fell for it like a bunch of retards.
+--- 57867643
+>>57857526
+>be leftardism
+>collapse
+>brainwashed fatso
+>muh CIA
+Every time.
+--- 57867694
+>>57856696 (OP)
+You could say the same about Bradley Manning.
+He was the IT misfit.
+And like most zoomers, a clout chaser within a very niche parasocial group.
+--- 57867698
+>>57858083
+>or less or your money back
+Can I use a credit card?
+--- 57867702
+>>57857919
+>What kind of psycho takes pictures of their fast food?
+Zoomers, bro.
+--- 57867853
+>>57857418
+You faggots are on par with vatniks
+--- 57867858
+>>57859790
+>My team never does anything wrong.
+And this is the mindset that keeps you losing. Zero ability to self reflect or change tactics lol. Stubbornness is not a virtue.
+--- 57867863
+>>57857432
+NPC = logical, mentally stable and educated ?
+--- 57867984
+>>57860551
+Even one American solder is to much for russia
+--- 57868145
+Why aren't leakers shot for treason on principle? These leaks have done major damage to the USA's global standing and likely endangered the lives of soldiers in Ukraine and agents around the world
+--- 57868221
+>>57856696 (OP)
+shrimple he most likely has an admin token for SIPR and JWICS because of his career field. Those were most likely slides for a brief, where everyone who worked in the SCIF had access, or because he has an admin token he gave himself access. He printed them out during lunch put them in his pocket and went home.
+--- 57868897
+>>57866159
+Okay, so saying mean things is literally terrorism, got it.
+--- 57869289
+>>57868145
+Treason against the military doesn't make sense if it was done to benefit the American people. "Global standing" is such a stupid, nebulous term, and I haven't actually seen evidence that leaks from Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden, or that 21 y/o guy got anyone killed. I heard they had to shuffle assets around and it ruined some intelligence operations after Snowden and Manning, but at best the damage has been abstract while the illegal things the government has been doing have been real.
+--- 57869337
+my best friends brother is a special operator and his entire family is wildly anti-american and 100% all in the QAnon shit.
+also they were entirely supportive of Russia and had a deep admiration of their military up until the invasion. now all he talks about when it comes up is how zelensky owns a home in Florida or some shit.
+i think the penetration of russian disinformation into the military is probably way higher than most people realize.
+inb4 NSA fags show up at my door asking who my best friend is
+--- 57869380
+>>57869337
+Unfortunately, I think your buddy's brother is just a window licking retard. Your anecdote of a single grunt being a braindead idiot doesn't imply some massive KGB infiltration/COINTEL effort, as much as that hurts your head canon about "le russia bad."
+--- 57869399
+>>57869337
+Did you consider that the government spiking their credibility into the ground repeatedly over the last 60 years might play a role in people not trusting them? Russia doesn't even have the assets to fight a 3rd world nation, much less brainwash everyone in the US military.
+--- 57869443
+>>57857351
+ This is no longer “supposedly”.
+We zapped the TrotskyiteJoo Rosenberg in the electric chair for this back in the 1950s, and the partial Verona intercept translations revealed just how deeply we had been compromised in the Manhattan Project.
+ Oppenheimer himself, even though he was the Head Talmudic Joo Atomic Kabbalistic Wizard was deemed unreliable for his JooMarxist ways…that’s why TellerChad froze him out for the H-Bomb project.
+ People queef about Project Paperclip, but those Nazis are the only reason that we jumped ahead of the Reds in the Space Race…Joos we’re not allowed anywhere near our rocket program.
+--- 57869459
+>>57869399
+i guess, but i’ve always wondered why he specifically spouts pro-Russia shit. the brother has been overseas for a while as he disappears for like 7-8 months at a time so i’ve not spoken to him recently but my friend literally just runs down through RussiaToday talking points whenever we talk about ukraine
+--- 57869478
+>>57857437
+ They were called “fellow travelers” and “Dupes” back in the day.
+ The real problem is that they raised a generation of kids infected with their Faggotry.
+ The College Industry being a haven for draft-dodgers during the VietNam War meant that these detestable treasonous vermin infested Academia and are there spreading their poisonous Faggotry to youth there to this very day.
+ And via Government backed student loans, we are subsidizing this shit.
+--- 57869515
+>>57857467
+ Put then in the combat arms for their first tour.
+Right out on the edge of the sharp end,where they will learn that espionage and intelligence mistakes means they get a new house from Tunnel2Towers from them, (if they partially survive).
+ You don’t get to serve as an Intelligence Pogue until you’ve paid your dues by taking your turn as a Bullet-Stopper.
+ They should help with getting niggaz minds right about their business.
+--- 57869555
+>>57857526
+Nigga, you’re crazy. Or you’re a CommieSymp.
+Do you understand what an Agent of Influence is?
+Do you understand how an Agent of Influence can be FAR more damaging than a regular spy?
+Do you NOT know the history of Communist influence in the various “-Rights” political movements of the JooSA since the nineteen-fucking- thirties?
+--- 57869578
+>>57857802
+>The neoliberal world order is fucking disgusting and needs to go.
+as opposed to the asiatic tyrantships that are so rotten you are not even allowed to expose how shit they really are. Until they collide with reality like second stronkest military in ukraine found out
+--- 57869594
+>>57858446
+ I’ve been there.
+Lotta money for a series of holes in the ground.
+I actually started weeping for the poor prairie dogs…there they would have been, cheeping away at each other in their prairie dog town, doing prairie dig things, and then one day Soviet Plutonium Nuclear Fire falls down out of the sky and vaporizes them into oblivion.
+ Poor little fucking cute prairie dogs!
+ Why, God…WHY?
+--- 57869622
+>>57869459
+With the QAnon people, they just accept whatever the next soothsayer tells them. Some people just want to be told what to think, and unfortunately the only people telling others what they should think are liars. There are only two media narratives on the war in Ukraine, the "Russia is going to collapse in 2 more weeks" side and the "Ukraine is going to collapse in 2 more weeks" side. If they're biased against the US-supported side, then the Russian side is implicit.
+My mother got really into the QAnon stuff, but to me it was obvious that it was a lie if only because they just encouraged people to sit on their ass and do nothing and the "patriots" would take care of all of their problems. Literally just a boomer ARG.
+--- 57869694
+>>57869459
+firehood of falsehoods is a giant piece of shit that attracts flies like crazy. They might not even know they are useful idiots drinking up vatnig/wumao pathologic lies but they just pick it up from other flies who visited the original shitpile to begin with.
+ It is really not that difficult and cost effective. What these asiatic tyrants rely on (including mainland chongs) is cracking down with a tight censorship and language barriers back home where nothing is allowed to proliferate the censors dont want spreading. While they freely access the relatively open western mediasphere to spread their shit until something sticks. Add to this the occasional western obvious misuse of power and bamboozling lie, like lets say democrats party using the remnant media as their unofficial party exclusive media arm, and it is very easy to use the natural mistrust of anybody with a working brain against themselves. Specially when they have no clue what the world is like behind the oceans, as your typical burger does not, and thinks everybody is like america.
+--- 57869741
+war thunder players at this again huh
+--- 57869798
+>>57869459
+ The TrotskyiteJoos aren’t stupid, anon. Their stock on trade is to highlight and aggravate the social and economic fissures that occur in any human society anywhere at any time.
+ They amplify these normal fault lines as an indictment of the entire society and its values systems.
+ Frankly, I hold it to be a perversion of their Joo Tenet of “Tikkun Olam” to “make the world a better place”…like nobody asked them to.
+ This is why they become lawyers in such outsize numbers. Lawyers make shekels from controversy among people, and thus they have direct financial interest in maintaining existing controversies and whipping up new ones.
+ Writ large, you end up with a philosophy of iconoclasm for the sake of iconoclasm.
+Inherently self-destructive and golem-creating.
+ They truly are the Synagogue of Satan.
+By their fruit shall ye know their tree.
+--- 57869862
+>>57857966
+Any system organised around the exercise of power will attract those least suited to it. There's no escaping it.
+--- 57869933
+>>57865998
+And what about the DoE?
+--- 57869934
+>>57856696 (OP)
+Granted this is just the army but here's a list of a few initial entry jobs, jobs that you get get right off the street, no prior service required, that grant you a TS clearance.
+35F Intelligence Analyst
+89D EOD Specialist
+35P Signals Intelligence Voice Interceptor
+35L Counterintelligence Agent
+94S Patriot System Repairer
+35M Human Intelligence Collector
+Most never serves think of top secret clearance as something that you need to earn. That's not really the case. It's something that's given to you for your job because its on a "need to know" basis and you need to know for your job. Shit when I was in EOD school, we had this chick from the COUNTRY of Georgia. She literally wasn't even a natural born US citizen.
+--- 57870001
+>>57857304
+xccr.com
+--- 57870006
+>>57869380
+yeah sadly that has to be the case, anyone who falls for Russian propaganda as poor as it is must be low IQ.
+--- 57870030
+>>57869399
+>team A lied this must mean team B is honest!
+Do midwits really think like this?
+--- 57870163
+>>57856734
+not bragg, some national guard base in MA
+--- 57870164
+>>57866049
+> they tore down a lot of walls post 9/11.
+Yup. What I said >>57864053 and it’s spot on.
+>>57866103
+> The walls didn’t get torn down to THAT low a level.
+Before the shitty ass post 9/11 reforms, agencies would brief leaders separately. Stovepiping worked and leaks only happened from the worst espionage cases, not some fucking kid looking for discord clout. Before 9/11 reforms, there was NEVER summary slides containing info from multiple agencies, EVER.
+bring back stovepiping and leaks like the most recent one stop.
+--- 57870187
+>>57870030
+How do you not know this by now? Hell this site is drowning in those types of people
+--- 57870206
+>>57870030
+The answer to your question is yes, but I'm not saying that because I personally think that way. Read my reply >>57869622, I basically have the same complaint. Some people don't seem to do well in an environment where everyone is lying, they just bounce from liar to liar like an irresponsible woman choosing exclusively abusive boyfriends.
+Given that people like that exist, a government that has made a habit of lying shouldn't be surprised when its people start believing different lies. You don't need a foreign disinformation campaign when your own disinformation campaigns alienate half the country.
+--- 57870335
+>>57867595
+Yes.
+--- 57870380
+>>57856800
+Goddamn if I wouldn't tongue shovel her shit ditch after 2 weeks in the field. I'd get her pregnant twice on purpose. I don't care if she has the voice of sandpaper on glass.
+--- 57872106
+>>57869337
+The penetration of Russian disinformation in the military is a consequence of Russian disinformation penetrating the Republican party so deeply. Junior enlisted These people are contrarians and tend to implicitly trust any opposing view to what they view as the boogeyman, which is the US Government.
+>>57869399
+Disinformation is pretty much the only thing Russia excels at, if only because it's so easy to do on large scale.
+>>57869798
+Nobody on Earth will ever take you seriously if you can only communicate in schizo babble and buzzwords.
+--- 57872118
+>>57872106
+Somehow my first comment got cut off, oh well. I said Junior enlisted and combat arms tend to be Republican, and so the connection is made.
+--- 57872509
+>>57872106
+This is all happening under trannycrat watch, as usual.
+--- 57872516
+>>57856751
+>>57856734
+Why the fuck are people bringing up Fort Bragg when this retard was inMassachusetts ?
+--- 57872613
+>>57857526
+You're a colossally retarded gringo fuck. Fucking anybody down here in these shitholes know the fucking Czech and Romanians were pulling shit here as the USSR would outsource their glowops to them for deniability.
+Gringo retardado do caralho, você merece toda a subversão que os chinas, Árabes e Iranianos fazem com vocês.
+--- 57872628
+>>57856696 (OP)
+It's not like there was anything that secret in the documents. The number of vehicles destroyed was close to the Oryx numbers, RU casualties were within most Western estimates, and UKR casualties numbers are close to what the Ukrainians are claiming.
+The most secret stuff in there was, Ukraine came close to losing Bahkmut at one point, Ukraine seems to be running low on AA, and the US is spying on its allies (big shock).
+The documents were not really secret; it's not like they told us what Western special forces deployed in Ukraine are doing, or what the UKR spring offensive will look like in-depth, or even how we are collecting our intelligence.
+The documents seem appropriate to what an enlisted intel guy in the Air-national-guard would know.
+--- 57872722
+>>57857802
+Post-WWII Fascist is a commie shill. Literally nothing surprising about this. Anybody with a basic knowledge of the post-war intellectual history of fascism/neo-nazism would not be shocked by this. But the people who do things like this for a living refuse to believe fascism has intelectuals because they're liberal and socialist university nerds at best.
+You'd think people would have actually read the figures and texts that people would spread around /pol/ when it started becoming the breeding grounds for bizarre extreme racial and sexual politics but nobody here reads anything. If they did, they'd already know how deep the vatnigger shilling goes when it comes to the sordid remains of fascism after WWII.
+--- 57872736
+>>57872722
+>when it started becoming the breeding grounds for bizarre extreme racial and sexual politics
+/pol/ was ALWAYS posting this shit even before /pol/ existed and it was /news/
+--- 57872779
+>>57857288
+Newton and Tesla were autistic and did more for mankind than any supposed great leader or soldier in human history.
+If we're culling anybody start with the guys in business suits and uniforms, they cause 90% of the worlds problems and are just a net drain on everyone's resources.
+--- 57872862
+>>57872736
+>/news/
+it was /new/, stop larping as an oldfag

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+-----
+--- 57857018
+Let's talk retro, post your carry handles, A4's with handles also welcome
+Also general Retro thread
+--- 57857058
+>another general
+last thing the board needs
+OP sucks cocks
+--- 57857136
+>>57857018 (OP)
+Carry handles are neat
+--- 57857171
+>>57857136
+https://youtu.be/nUq4pg1zGic [Embed]
+goddamn why does the A1 evoke such a cool image even though we ultimately lost that war
+--- 57857678
+>inb4 ban-compliant
+I got it for a steal just before Sandy Hook destroyed the market
+--- 57857736
+I want to get an A1/A2 purely for the 20 inch barrel and the looks. I don’t care about authenticity or making a real clone, I just want the look. What’s a good 20 inch upper that’s actually in stock, I would say carry handle only but this would be a range toy so I don’t want to drop any real money on it
+--- 57858349
+>>57857058
+Heck off fag, it’s a relevant thread and not spam.
+--- 57859672
+Bump
+--- 57859720
+Based thread
+--- 57860764
+Baste thread
+--- 57861027
+>>57857018 (OP)
+I stupidly sold my TNTE A1 clone upper for a steal because of the markup and I miss it. Looks like I played myself and will be buying another 20 with a fixed carry handle. Can't decide whether to do an A2 this time or A1
+--- 57861815
+>>57857018 (OP)
+>a4 welcome
+eww
+--- 57861906
+>>57861815
+>post ban with no birdcage...
+poor rife
+also be nice to the A4nons fixed carry handles are hard to find these days. Also theyre legitimately retro now inception of GWOT was legit 20 years ago at this point.
+To think that it would be the last conflict the A2 saw popular use in while also being shoulder to shoulder with the A4.
+--- 57861981
+>>57861027
+Nice rifle A1non, I say go for an A1 since A2s are way harder to get and assemble these days since guntuber e-celebs hopped on the band wagon to make handles cool again. I still remember when people would buy them in bulk to cut off the handles and weld weaver or M1913 on. Such were the times in 2007 when making your rifle a train station was peak aesthetics.
+Perhaps the new Cold War brewing in the background is giving people nostalgia for the first one as well. Only time will tell if this new hotness for carry handles is a fad or we're going to have to deal with insufferable normies forever :sob:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rriQhmJIefg&amp;pp=ygULZ2xvYmFsIGNvbGQ%3D [Embed]
+--- 57862001
+found this in the trunk of a p71 in a ditch, how much is this pile of ancient garbage worth
+--- 57862002
+>>57861815
+>bad lever
+2010 called
+--- 57862034
+>>57862001
+hold on to that upper anon boomers and fuds be selling that shit for almost a grand on gunbroker because of the current shortage, but honestly i'd just hold onto it and make a cool lightweight operator carbine with it like adding a light and whatnot. How are the feed ramps looking in that?
+--- 57862055
+>>57861981
+Yeah I mean I can get either, I just don't know whether to try the A2 DOPE sights or stick with the easy A1. A1's length of pull is really cozy too. I do like the look of the thicker meme barrel of the A2 and the front furniture though
+--- 57862092
+>>57862055
+keep your eye on Tony's Customs for A1's, some generous ARnon in the /arg/ thread gave his tips on trying to get new carry handles in 2011 + 12 AD.
+If you're comfortable with A1 manual of arms when it comes to sights and length of pull just stick with it, you could always build a hybrid C7 style rifle too with the A2's meme barrel &amp; handguard
+--- 57862131
+>>57858453
+unexpected but fits the definition. I want a Kel-Tec someday but why are P50s so expensive bros...
+--- 57862148
+>>57859720
+>>57860764
+Nice clones A4nons, how does it feel that the GWOT is technically over at this point. what do you think is going to be the soundtrack and general retrospective thoughts for gen alpha kids that inevitably grow up with their parents lecturing them about how hard it was living in a time when GIs and Taliban were duking it out in the desert for two decades?
+--- 57862149
+>>57861981
+>flectarn(ish) tac gloves
+W2c?
+--- 57862177
+>>57862148
+I mean shit like Seether was big in the 00s. I still remember Out of My Way by Seether on Iraq urban combat compilations and stuff. Rise Against maybe. Shit like that.
+--- 57862210
+>>57862149
+Most likely, also salsa? is that Ai? I never remember her last name lol
+--- 57862212
+>>57862002
+its a competition rifle, the bad lever is basically need for boomer power
+>>57861906
+cuckstate plus competition gun
+--- 57862301
+>>57862212
+My sympathies A2non, what state if you're willing to share, also what lower is that ive never seen it around
+--- 57862311
+>>57862212
+forgot to add but what competitions do you run with that thing and are there any advantages that the carry handle brings over the flattops that are common? are you a marksman or speed-shooter?
+--- 57862347
+>>57862301
+NJ and fulton armory
+>>57862311
+>forgot to add but what competitions do you run with that thing
+NRA high power
+> and are there any advantages that the carry handle brings over the flattops that are common?
+you can reach under the carry handle and hit the bolt release easier because the single round mags people use you can't just slingshot the charging handle with, but the BAD lever solve that issue anyway. I think the only advantage is people might have to pin the carry handle on. Most guys use an LPVO though since you can have up to 4.5x optic
+> are you a marksman or speed-shooter?
+marksman
+--- 57862374
+>>57862210
+>remember her last name
+I don't know her first name. Talk about the gloves, man.
+--- 57862398
+>>57862347
+That's pretty neat anon, also that reach through under the carry handle truck for hitting the bolt release sounds pretty night I out to try that next time I'm out at the range for shits and giggles. Whats your best grouping like and any tips for improving marksmanship?
+--- 57862437
+>>57862374
+forgive my coomer brain, neuron activation moment.
+Cant say much about the gloves, but why does flectarn look so good. The ones I use at the range are similar but have these like rubberized pads under the thumb. Dont know the brand though since its a no name and was also a gift
+--- 57862552
+>>57857678
+how badly did sandy hook fuck the legislation over there in CT? Ive heard about it from some of my family on that coast but never seen anyone talk about it or its after affects
+--- 57862698
+>>57857018 (OP)
+Any recommendations for peripherals to put on the A2 grips? I see they sell rail attachments that screw into vent holes and hear theyre good enough for a light or a laser if you dont need zero (if youre shooting passive it should be fine?) also the old Pec2's had those mounts that went under the guard and attached directly to the barrel. Anyone know what those are called and how to get a hold of them?
+--- 57862772
+I don't care what anyone says, MOE grips are the nicest ones I've ever had on an AR.
+--- 57862901
+>>57862772
+what the ports on the side for?
+--- 57862932
+>>57862437
+Flectarn gloves and matching flectarn Gladius are on my list. I wish Cold Steel would fill backorders on thier polypro training Gladius, prefect base for my flecktarn Gladius project.
+--- 57862944
+>>57862901
+Presumably ventilation though they probably double as an attachment point.
+I've never been one to put a whole bunch of stuff on my guns.
+I like to keep them simple.
+--- 57862968
+>>57861981
+Come to think of it, a flectarn kimono is indicated for full larp. Pretty sure a flectarn kilt will not do.
+--- 57862981
+>>57862968
+Lmao what do they actually make those?
+--- 57862995
+>>57862944
+Same here, I could never stand having all that shit on my rifle. The whole appeal of an AR was that it was lightweight and low recoil at the same time.
+--- 57863026
+>>57862698
+>hear theyre good enough for a light or a laser
+You really don't want an aiming device direct mounted to clamshells since they shift around, better to FSB hard mount a laser if you want to keep clamshells and don't have a PAQ-4c or PEQ-2a.
+For non-zeroable accessories you can use the really thin stamped flange nuts like MOE rail sections come with or buy the specific kits to mount through the cooling holes or drill through the handguard. If you are mounting around the body, I recommend either notching what you are attaching for the ribs or grinding down the ribs where you are mounting the accessory.
+>Anyone know what those are called
+Just search for PEQ barrel mount, not many people list by the NSN or P/N (NSN: 5340-01-390-3812 P/N: A3186958) They used to be all over the place for a few bucks but they have climbed up into the tens of dollars area for the most part. Not unobtanium by far, but its a sign that they are drying up.
+pictured:
+FSB mounted C7 tri-rail with a JP offset to curl a VIR-II over LSO clamshells
+PEQ-2a with the barrel mount through CAR skinny clamshells
+SG PEQ-2a knock off on a KAC RASII free float
+--- 57863031
+>>57862981
+>do they actually make those
+You see what she's wearing with your eyes, son. You don't have to believe.
+--- 57863064
+>>57863026
+Also, carry handle to stay on theme.
+--- 57863112
+>>57863064
+goddamn this looks nice, I always preferred this look to the trainstation level rifles with all the magnifiers and extra weight on it, those always come off as range toys whereas this looks like something someone in the field would actually be working with. Though these days the pic rail vomit is everywhere in use with operators and special forces but theres something magical about taking an old rifle and running it with modern peripherals. It has the same appeal as say a sleeper PC
+--- 57863122
+>>57863064
+also though the clamshells arent strong enough for zeros on lasers they have enough strength and rigidity for a foregrip? is this what the canadians were doing on their C7's in the late 90s and early 00s?
+--- 57863134
+>>57863026
+are there any say, small IR lasers that could fit on a FSB trirail mount?
+--- 57863174
+luv me carry handles
+luv me Colt 4x20s
+luv me Aimpoint 5000s
+luv me pregnant Anne Frank
+'ate flat tops
+Simple as
+Railniggers cope and seethe
+--- 57863179
+>>57857058
+Yeah, because we need more Ukraine threads up, you tell em, reddit!
+--- 57863238
+>>57863112
+I like it, which is what matters but I get flak from both side of the aisle for "ruining" a older style rifle or not being modern enough.
+>>57863122
+They are. The canadians mounted picatinny rails to the clamshell and then a folding Cadex foregrip. Mine is a slightly modified MLOK grip direct mounted through the cooling holes.
+>>57863134
+The VIR-II on that rifle is an IR laser and it is pistol light sized. It just has a shroud on it to limit splash from it's IR illuminator and work better on a rifle. The JP offset is just for preference, you could mount it to the tri-rail or some other FSB mount rail without it.
+--- 57863261
+>>57863238
+>VIR-II
+thanks for the recs anon this is why I come here and not reddit or the other shitty AR forums, id just get told to get a flat top and a quad and its nice to still see people working with the older iterations of the rifle and run them with modern accoutrements
+--- 57863269
+>>57862995
+>The whole appeal of an AR was that it was lightweight and low recoil at the same time.
+That is almost my exact reason.
+Light weight is the whole point of this weapon, and while it may sound like a fudd cliché, iron sights are great.
+--- 57863308
+>>57863269
+yep, love me those A2 patterns with the adjustable elevation and windage, makes zeroing easier, and if the size of the front sight post's size bothers you enough you can just exchange for an A1 post. Also mounting optics on the carry handle is honestly a better alternative than the memeshit GBRS risers
+--- 57863530
+>>57862698
+>attach rails to plastic.
+No. Tried it, it sucked. Buy a pic rail that attaches to front sight.
+--- 57863621
+>>57857018 (OP)
+Obligatory. Best red dot is amber.
+--- 57863686
+I just like em bros
+--- 57863740
+>>57862149
+>>57862374
+Everything's better with handles.
+--- 57863860
+>>57862552
+big time, mega gay if you aren't mil or police
+--- 57864094
+>>57862901
+They're MLOK slots.
+--- 57864106
+>>57863860
+Sandy hook fucked it coast to coast for abt 2 yrs, Gabby Giffy was just a sidebar in comparison. Between the coasts it did get better. Buffalo/Uvalde was just a wrinkle.
+--- 57864124
+>>57863740
+Thank you, anon.
+--- 57864141
+>>57863740
+at last someone with the sauce
+--- 57864285
+>>57863621
+why'd you cover your rear sight aperature with cheese?
+--- 57864295
+>>57863621
+I always wondered how does that clip under the carry handle work to hold the mount to the handle. Is it a screw on? torque? tension?
+--- 57864318
+>>57863686
+only thing I dont like is how the space under isnt big enough to full knuckle grip :( other than that theyre solid backup sights and a better alternative to a meme riser
+--- 57864399
+Counter-Strike Bushmaster
+--- 57864403
+>>57864285
+Everything is better with cheese.
+>>57864295
+Lever screws and tightens, hits a detent every 180°. Sadly blocks grabby hotdog fingers.
+--- 57864410
+>>57864399
+Sweet room divider, what's on the other side, sex dungeon?
+--- 57864422
+>>57857018 (OP)
+Damnit RTI I want my silent slings, don't make me release the bonk
+--- 57864431
+>>57864399
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4NzNV7eo8 [Embed]
+--- 57864471
+Missing protec helmet in picture
+--- 57864476
+>>57864471
+Dont we call it zimbabwe now?
+--- 57864511
+>>57864410
+I wish, it’s a radiator cover
+>>57864431
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqB1uoDTdKM [Embed]
+--- 57864520
+I feel like I want four carry handles on my quadrail foregrip.
+--- 57864528
+>>57864476
+Do we?
+--- 57864543
+>>57864528
+The door is open, go outside. For once.
+--- 57864548
+>>57862347
+>NJ
+man the boss really was the only good thing to come out of that glorified turnpike huh?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufc7RYXQQF8 [Embed]
+--- 57864576
+>>57864543
+That’s a computer screen. Doors closed for the weekend
+--- 57864579
+>>57862148
+>soundtrack
+Gorillaz, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
+--- 57864613
+>>57864579
+this but unironically
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXKdU_Nm-Kk [Embed]
+--- 57864625
+>>57857058
+A Ukraine thread died for this.
+--- 57864661
+>>57864579
+>Gorillaz
+you didn't have to make me feel old today anon...
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnkQAeMbIM [Embed]
+--- 57864698
+I have a carry handle, can I join the club?
+--- 57864709
+>>57864698
+this nigga really carries clips
+--- 57864733
+>>57864625
+Good.
+--- 57864753
+>>57864709
+You don't?
+--- 57864754
+>>57864698
+I see your carry handle and raise 3.
+--- 57864758
+>>57864698
+1 admission for battle rifle into the thread. Also wtf is that furniture?? reminds me of the Israeli FALs but looks more ergonomic
+also cool piece FALnon. Is there any tips for getting perhaps a kit for one of these how much do they run? or are they only sold as a unit?? Perhaps can build one in a cuck state??
+--- 57864769
+>>57864698
+looks like a canadian L1A1 from the fact it can take stripper clips of .308? also neat rifle anon
+--- 57864781
+>>57864758
+>getting perhaps a kit for one of these
+I'll just be quite.
+--- 57864786
+>>57864758
+That’s the original FAL player
+--- 57864787
+>>57864754
+--- 57864827
+>>57864802
+why the mag polka dotted?
+--- 57864846
+>>57864787
+Nice. I've been wondering how to use mine since I pulled it off..
+--- 57864854
+>>57864781
+I want a fal so bad bros but fuck why are there only originals floating around. has really no one done repros or kits? building funs is much more enjoyable than just buying them whole :(
+--- 57864860
+>>57864758
+That is my T48. US trials rifle that we WOULD have gotten had we not believed Springfield's "we can make the T44 (M14) on M1 Garand tooling" lies.
+Do NOT do what I did and try to piece one together, it took me about three years of effort to hunt down all the correct parts. If you want a FAL just get a prebuilt one from DSA. They're hit or miss but will happily be fixed by customer service if they don't function.
+>>57864769
+The Canadians did in fact get involved with H&amp;R's T48's, which are the only American made military FALs in existence, but the Belgian T48 (which mine is modeled on) uses a clip guide that iirc predates the L1A1.
+--- 57864884
+>>57864827
+Fashion points with the lolis on /cgl/.
+--- 57864891
+>>57857018 (OP)
+Where the hell can you find an A1 or A2 upper (preferably with M4 ramps) that's actually in stock? TNTESales.com has some for pre-order but I don't want to wait until mid-May (best case scenario).
+--- 57864933
+>>57864860
+holy shit how did you piece together a T48 are you insane, autistic or both?? also is it in original .280 innit or .308. Where'd you scour the parts to put that together and honestly piecing it together doesnt sound that bad if you have patience and honestly more rewarding. I'd assume the furniture would be the hardest to obtain aside from the action if its in .280
+--- 57864979
+>>57864860
+>my T48
+Describe the quest for the bayo to the class.
+--- 57865004
+>>57864891
+I was seriously considering getting a TT A2 but some anon on here warned me calling it chinesium trash, so I withheld and then got like retardedly lucky because the store I had gotten my Delton parts kit for the stock and other tidbits remembered my autistic ass and called me saying they had gotten in an A2 completed upper on consignment for ~$500. So I busted my ass down there and swooped the shit and sure enough other mfs were eyeing it and one was close to buying when I showed up and scooped.
+Honestly it really is luck of the draw as to where you can get one but H&amp;R is going to start pumping out A1s on original tooling, as for A2s were kinda shit out of luck but keep your eye on r/gundeals since anons will have a carry handle on there every once in a while
+--- 57865075
+>>57864933
+>insane, autistic, or both??
+Yes.
+Chambering is not in .280 Brit because the US trials rifle was in .308. Most of the rifle is built on BGS parts that Apex had at the time. Upper receiver and barrel are made by DSA, with a custom reverse threading on the muzzle to accept the long style flash hider. Upper has cuts to accept the indexing tabs on the clip guide dust cover. Lower is Imbel cut for a type A stock. Furniture is all from a gentleman who goes by Flypaper on FALfiles, including the hardware for the folding winter trigger guard. English walnut, soaked in half a dozen coats of pure tung oil over the course of just over two months, finished with a wax rub (linseed oil degrades in UV like sunlight).
+>>57864979
+Mashing F5 on GunBroker for about three years until I found one for sub-$500 and made a horrible financial decision for one pointy boi. Came with a musty old sheath, pommel was marked "S.A.P." which is South African Police.
+--- 57865120
+>>57864786
+you plan of saving some of the ammo for the rest of us with that mag anon?
+--- 57865143
+>>57864422
+goddamn with the current handle shortage all the shit in that picture is about the cost of my tuition lol
+would you care to do a family shot for us less fortunate?
+--- 57865149
+Is there even an option for a carry handle that isn't removable anymore?
+--- 57865170
+>>57865075
+>marked "S.A.P."
+Still the best part, to me.
+--- 57865224
+>>57865149
+a lot of the supply dried up recently because of a perfect storm of events
+A lot of the older manufacturing houses have either gone bust or bought out and undergoing production line upscaling so that has basically made the supply of handles zero atm
+Next, the zoomer obsession with the 1970's -80's has finally reached gun circles and they started to eat up into the already limited supply and it isnt helped by the fact that talking heads on social media are hyping up carry handles as "remember this? its cool now" and now everyone and their mom wants a handle
+Lastly, the advent of retarded sight risers amongst the tactical-tards has started to make people realize that Stoner's original design relative to height over bore was right all along and are using carry handles as a less retarded looking alternative to having a skyscraper on your rifle for a sight
+overall its a pretty shitty situation as now us enthusiasts are going to have to contend with normies (1/2)
+--- 57865237
+>>57865224
+(22) wanting older style uppers because their favourite friend simulator figure told them it was cool to have them now after 10+ years of tacti-shit rail spam on guns during the GWOT years.
+Leave it to misplaced zoomer nostalgia, lower supply due to industry changes, and e-celebs to make participating in my hobby cancer aids.
+ok blog post over
+--- 57865402
+>>57865143
+Since I've fixed the brakes on my rx-7 I'll probably go sight this this thing in tomorrow, build is a nds upper with a Brownells 1/12 12.7 barrell and a mock moderator bringing me to length,some sort of gooseneck mount and a c-more, a surefire 6px front sight mounted flashlight, an ace limited vinyl acetate buttstock and an unbranded ar vintage lower (really recommend it because the font is very nice), the a2 is a genuine colt marked upper that I got along with the big hole sp1 upper for 150$ barrel is a Wilson arms stainless govt profile 1/7. The m16a1 is your usual nds with a Brownells 1/12 chrome lined, usgi furniture and sling, and unfortunately an anderson lower. I got lucky with that ebay buy
+--- 57865511
+>>57865402
+--- 57865550
+>>57864891
+TNTE was a decent upper, but I ordered during covid and my upper took about 5 months longer than they said it would to arrive. I was pissed but didnt have much going on so I let it ride. Was a good upper, wish I hadnt sold the damn thing.
+--- 57866685
+>>57862034
+They look unused, barely fired. The trigger is definitely not mil-spec, feels like a racegun one. A sleeper-build..
+--- 57867733
+I just think they're neat.
+--- 57867765
+>>57863621
+I have a detachable carry handle and still want to get a gooseneck, just because I mostly shoot with irons and don't want to rezero them every time
+I use optics a lot less so zeroing them doesn't bother me as much
+--- 57867869
+>>57863112
+Talk like a fag
+--- 57869136
+Bump
+--- 57869190
+>>57867733
+Nice anon
+--- 57869194
+>>57869136
+Maybe posting something abt a carry handle would be a better bump?
+--- 57869263
+I just love 20 inch with carry handle AR. So classic, even if it's impractical compared to a 16 incher with a red dot. PSA needs to get the fuck going and make some more uppers.
+Also want to get an AR10 before some bullshit ban happens.
+I built a cheap m16a4ish DMR most would shit on but I just love this platform.
+--- 57869665
+>>57865004
+Yeah. That's the problem with looking for A2s, just have to get lucky at a price you can afford. It's a pain. Happy to hear about H&amp;R but like you said, kinda screws those of us that want an A2. That was my first issue rifle and I still remember how smooth it shot. M4 is handier but not as much a pleasure to shoot.
+--- 57869687
+Hey guys can I join?
+--- 57869690
+>>57865237
+All true. Worst part is all the zoomers will never use the iron sights and instead just mount an ARMS carry handle adapter and put a red dot on it.
+--- 57869704
+>>57865550
+That's part of the reason that I'm not doing their pre-order. I don't want to pay now and wait for half a year or get a surprise billing at some point (I don't know if they bill when you order or when they ship).
+--- 57869742
+>>57869704
+Iirc they billed me at order. Tbh it wasnt their fault entirely. I emailed them and asked what the deal was and they said an order of barrels they had expected to get hadnt arrived because of the massive gun buying spree the nation went on in 2020-2021. So they were waiting on that. Inconvieniant, but understandable imo. Was a solid, good upper. I miss it
+--- 57869780
+>>57862148
+It’s weird for me dude, I didn’t get an M4 until several years in the service and things changed so fast, we lost some killer aesthetic.
+--- 57869806
+>>57862177
+I MeAn
+--- 57870026
+I want a 20” pencil barrel with a C7 upper so bad but they’re either more than I want to spend or not for sale anywhere
+--- 57870325
+>>57870026
+Sick picture.
+--- 57870355
+>>57870026
+I have brain damage so I really want to get a C7 upper that's had the forward assist shaved smooth after forging
+--- 57870465
+>>57862148
+Anything that plays on contemporary rock radio. The kind of shit that says this
+> You're listening to KBRO radio where we play the latest hits from the artist you love. Tube in today for our 100 days of summer cash giveaway. Tickets are on sale for 5 finger death punch in some red state county far somewhere. Thanks for listening to KBRO radio, where we play nothing but rock. Here's some buckcherry with crazy bitch for all you ladies out there.
+>Garbage music intensifies.
+--- 57870825
+>>57869687
+--- 57871690
+Bump
+--- 57871718
+>>57858349
+>Heck off
+I'm fucking sorry, I've been away for a minute, but when in the FLYING. FUCK. did we start with plebbitfag speak?
+--- 57871867
+>>57862092
+Thanks for the credit, here's a (you)
+>I want that stock but I don't want Airshit or to pay $700
+Just finished a Colt 733 clone in 300 blackout with a fake dissy setup. It's got an adjustable low profile gas block under the handguard.
+C'mon ATF, gibs me my tax stamps, three weeks and my lower isn't even out of research yet.
+--- 57871879
+>>57864399
+nice suresneed
+--- 57872240
+>>57869742
+Fair enough. Will have to consider them. May even cave and get an A1 as they have complete A1 uppers in stock.
+--- 57873222
+Bump

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+-----
+--- 57857279
+There's a massive battle going on in the captial of Sudan right now
+And there's aircraft and fighting going on everywhere
+What
+--- 57857293
+>>57857279 (OP)
+Air port hit with air strikes
+--- 57857303
+>>57857293
+--- 57857318
+The Ghost of Kyiartoum has been spotted
+--- 57857499
+>>57857318
+what are manpads doing?
+--- 57857531
+>>57857279 (OP)
+That’s it, the nogs have finally got their hands on whiteys power, expect a black nuclear bomb within a few months and galactic colonization in a decade after they restart the pyramids using black soul and white machines
+--- 57857534
+>>57857499
+>what are manpads doing?
+Being high on khat presumably.
+--- 57857542
+>>57857499
+Unironically probably locked up in storage somewhere.
+--- 57857567
+>>57857499
+The jet is the governments attacking rebel positions which includes the presidential palace they took over. Also answers the question yet again that somehow extremists never fail to grasp, capitals/traditional locations of power mean nothing with modern instant communication where some politician a few safe countries away can direct action to be taken within a few minutes and gone the days of easy revolutions
+--- 57857606
+>>57857279 (OP)
+Odds these Mig-29 somehow end up in Ukraine?
+--- 57857615
+>>57857279 (OP)
+>>57857293
+>>57857303
+>>57857318
+So the convoy and the guys guarding the base just gave up and leave? Are they that retarded? How were they able to flight the planes, get the ammunition ready and then leave the airport without getting shut down?
+--- 57857683
+Coup in Sudan? Whats going on?
+--- 57857704
+Egyptian "Thunderbolt" special forces personnel captured as well
+--- 57857708
+>>57857683
+Airplanes bombing
+--- 57857718
+>>57857708
+--- 57857721
+>>57857567
+Yeah but if you capture all the control points the timer starts and you win the round.
+--- 57857724
+>>57857704
+Noooooo! Not the Thunderbolts!
+--- 57857735
+>>57857567
+>apitals/traditional locations of power mean nothing with modern instant communication where some politician a few safe countries away can direct action
+Nigga please, in a successful coup theres nothing to direct. The army just defects to one side, most coups are like that, they have minimal combat with a few loyal units that didnt get the memo.
+Its a sort of election where only generals get to vote and where the president is doesnt matter. Hes shitting his pants in some bunker and not directing anything
+--- 57857737
+>>57857718
+--- 57857740
+>>57857279 (OP)
+The fuck is going on over there?
+--- 57857742
+>>57857718
+>>57857708
+>>57857704
+>>57857683
+>>57857615
+>>57857567
+>>57857531
+>>57857318
+>>57857303
+>>57857293
+>>57857279 (OP)
+>Leak information about Egypt sending weapons to Russia
+>This happens
+Well done CIA, not that sloppy so far
+--- 57857747
+>The violence came after weeks of mounting tensions between the Sudanese Army, led by Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, and the Rapid Support Forces, a powerful paramilitary group led by Lt. Gen. Mohamed Hamdan. The two generals united to seize power in a coup in October 2021, making them effectively the leader and deputy leader of Sudan.
+Who are the good guys?
+--- 57857759
+>>57857737
+--- 57857761
+>>57857567
+>capital is just symbolic
+>haha if you dont capture the president you cant win
+--- 57857763
+>>57857737
+>Only difference between the army and the rebels is the army has nicer technicals
+wew
+--- 57857784
+>>57857759
+One on the right is a T-62 isn't it?
+--- 57857789
+>>57857742
+>Egypt then sends more weapons to Russia
+--- 57857803
+>>57857789
+Oh no not the Egyptian weapons
+--- 57857816
+>>57857789
+It appears the coup is nationwide
+--- 57857821
+>>57857747
+No one, just sit back and enjoy the show.
+--- 57857829
+>>57857816
+--- 57857890
+>>57857829
+More Egyptians captured
+--- 57857908
+>>57857890
+--- 57857930
+>>57857683
+Nigs nogging
+--- 57857932
+>>57857737
+Toyota War II?
+--- 57857937
+>>57857784
+No. Is Type 85-II-M, easily spotted from the square holes in the plastic track flaps.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_80/88_main_battle_tank
+--- 57857941
+>>57857708
+Doesn’t Sudan af have q5 and su25? Why bomb run with your mig 29s with like 50 hours of engine life left?
+--- 57857964
+>>57857941
+Small chance they're just using Egyptian Mig-29s
+--- 57857970
+>>57857941
+Knowing third world militaries, it's probably a question of unit loyalty to whoever is in charge. Loyal troops get the best equipment, which for Sudan would be Mig-29s, so that's what they use.
+--- 57858064
+>>57857747
+>good guys?
+Nobody. It's Sudan. The government's less pure evil if you need somebody to root for in that the rebel forces are literally their fucking SS wing and maybe they'll learn that employing genocidal rapist militias is a bad thing from this, but the whole thing's fucked and they probably won't.
+--- 57858087
+>>57858064
+It's all fucked
+--- 57858093
+>>57857964
+--- 57858119
+>>57857932
+>Toyota war II
+Not enough J70s left for that, anon-kun
+It's mostly hilux pickups , and some of those boxy Chinese armored vehicles.
+--- 57858203
+Which side is backed by Egypt and which side is backed by Ethiopia? That dam on the Blue Nile must be factoring into this somewhere.
+--- 57858215
+>>57858119
+--- 57858231
+>>57857890
+No fear, Unit 777 is probably on the way to save the hostages.
+--- 57858260
+>>57857742
+>Sudan is Egypt
+Eh? This isn't 1903 when glorious British Egypt was a thing and Sudan was part of it.
+--- 57858261
+>>57858231
+Unit 777 is part of Sa'ka force >>57857704
+--- 57858267
+>>57857964
+You heard of Elf on a Shelf
+Now comes Nig in a Mig
+--- 57858269
+Are you sure these are rebels, or just a faction of the military / government??
+--- 57858280
+>>57858269
+I mean they are rebelling, so they are rebels by definition. So what are you even talking about?
+--- 57858281
+>>57858203
+The side which is capturing the Egyptians would be supported by Ethiopia
+--- 57858285
+>>57857908
+Oh no not the medical corps
+--- 57858296
+>>57857279 (OP)
+Are the muzzos ever NOT dirking to allah about something?
+--- 57858334
+>>57858261
+Well fuck, I was joking but now there is a possibility of 777 being involved.
+--- 57858390
+>>57858269
+The RSF is a paramilitary that the Sudanese military dictatorship created to beat/rape/murder pro-democracy protesters and troublesome minorities.
+They're rebelling because the military has a strong grip on things again and is trying to diminish their power now that they're no longer needed.
+--- 57858420
+>>57857567
+>capitals/traditional locations of power mean nothing
+But at least you got to take a dump in a gold toilet before your coup failed.
+--- 57858441
+>>57858390
+The RSF's core and key leadership positions are all former Janjaweed who got their start killing in Darfur.
+Both sides are just different sides of the same military dictatorship that are trying to tie up the calls for civilian government.
+--- 57858478
+>>57857789
+>inb4 Ukraine getting Abrams from Russia first due to the eternal abandooner
+--- 57858557
+>>57857747
+>good guys
+listen, the whole "hurr durr avengers comic book durr" seethe thing is cringe and all, but you aren't exactly helping yourself here.
+If you care enough to pick sides do your own research, otherwise just watch the fireworks.
+--- 57858610
+>>57858557
+Stop being such a smug little fucknugget and point us to english-language sources on the current conflict.
+--- 57858790
+>>57857318
+Ghost of KFC
+--- 57858816
+>>57857279 (OP)
+I guess they ran out of Syrian and Libyan refugees to flood Europe with so now they are creating more Sudanese refugees.
+--- 57858847
+>>57857742
+>>57857789
+>>57857803
+These reports were proven false by both the whitehouse and the kremlin spokesman
+--- 57859167
+wtaf even is the Egyptian airforce.
+>oldschool F-16's that can't do BVR combat
+>couple dozen Rafales
+>barely serviceable Russian jets
+--- 57859241
+>>57859167
+We follow a policy of getting a little bit from every country so that no one supplier can control our procurement
+--- 57859260
+>>57859241
+>no cross compatibility
+>zero logistical overlap
+>end up with &lt;36 BVR compatible fighter jets
+bold strategy, let's see if it pays off
+--- 57859282
+>>57857759
+Holy shit they are as well armed as russia
+--- 57859321
+>>57857747
+That's the best part, there isn't one.
+--- 57859363
+>>57857784
+>>57857937
+Reminder that during the last Sudanese Civil War the Sudanese T-72's got BTFO by South Sudan's Type 60's with 120mm.
+--- 57859430
+Truly, Pax Americana is finally over.
+--- 57859448
+>>57859363
+--- 57859453
+>>57859448
+--- 57859524
+>>57859453
+--- 57859539
+>>57859321
+As long as the bombs are on target, that is actually the best part.
+--- 57859556
+Kino stuff like this makes me feel like a modern day equivalent of the old Romans in the Colosseum, watching two barbarians fighting to the death while eating honeyed locusts.
+Will be interesting to see if this makes the military stronger or weaker afterwards.
+--- 57859558
+>>57857789
+>US then funds Ethiopia and they completely shut off the nile with their dam
+A lot of dried out egyptian piggies mmh :)
+--- 57859575
+>>57859556
+--- 57859617
+>>57857908
+Turns out Russia is behind this
+--- 57859788
+>>57859617
+--- 57859922
+>>57859167
+>oldschool F-16
+They have some of the most modern F-16s, Block 52
+They're just not allowed to have AMRAAM because the US does what Israel says
+--- 57859969
+I hope Al Bashir hangs them by the balls
+--- 57859984
+>>57857279 (OP)
+>Egyptian Mig-29s captured
+Time to send rescue team.
+Guess how will they fuck it up
+--- 57860026
+>>57859984
+1 MiG destroyed during airborne insertion.
+2 more damage during crossfire.
+Pilots shot by snipers while attempting to flee captors.
+--- 57860064
+>>57857279 (OP)
+They should use them to bomb the Ethiopian dam.
+--- 57860085
+>>57860064
+it cant be bombed anymore, ethiopia has already filled the reservoir behind it
+the only way is to slowly drain it which would require a special military operation
+--- 57860191
+>>57859575
+Lol, that's the (middle) East Center, Helsinki. :DDD
+--- 57860220
+Anyone got a full map of all airports/airfields in Sudan?
+Pic related doesn't have Merowe, which the RSF captured.
+--- 57860222
+why is america sponsoring a sudan coup now?
+--- 57860232
+>>57857747
+The civilians.
+--- 57860311
+Looks like even parts Sudan's military wants freedom from Egyptian, Saudi, Emirati hegemony!
+--- 57860346
+>>57860232
+Lol
+--- 57860379
+>>57860346
+Get fucked un
+--- 57860387
+>>57860346
+Holy shit this clip is kino
+https://twitter.com/amalhamdanelex/status/1647194364634972162?s=20
+--- 57860395
+>>57859575
+Airport security is crazy nowadays
+--- 57860435
+>>57860379
+I guess they don't like food and medical supplies in Sudan.
+--- 57860476
+>>57857279 (OP)
+>Sudanese Rebels
+LMAO, what ZOG proxy is behind this "coup"?
+--- 57860517
+>>57860476
+>a situation which existed before I heard about it which I know nothing about?? must be jews!!!
+--- 57860525
+>>57858267
+Damn it here's your "you". I chuckled.
+--- 57860572
+>>57860517
+Yes.
+--- 57860730
+Correct me if I'm missing anything or wrong on any points,
+>RSF launch widespread attack to try and capture several airports and bases using technicals
+>Successfully capture Merowe/Marawi airpot along with ~10 Egyptian MiG-29s and dozens of Egyptian servicemen
+>Capture Khartoum International Airport as well
+>Capture Jebel Aulia/Jabal Awliya airbase which houses a bunch of derelict Hinds
+>Failed to capture all Sudanese airfields since the Sudanese Air Force is able to launch airstrikes in an around Khartoum
+>Low flying MiG-29s strike Khartoum International Airport since it's held by the rebels, destroying at least the Saudi Airbus A330-300 HZ-AQ30, SkyUp Boeing 737-800 UR-SQH, a UN aircraft, as well as the arrival terminal of the airport itself
+>Tank battles on Port Sudan
+>Night falls
+>Egypt considering launching a rescue operation for their prisoners
+>You are here
+--- 57860786
+>>57860730
+Maybe this
+--- 57860928
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKJnho5gnU [Embed]
+--- 57860969
+>>57857683
+chimp out with the aim of securing a western aid package
+--- 57861258
+>>57857742
+Take your meds
+--- 57861375
+>>57857531
+The coup attempt is being led by Arab militias. The whole split between Sudan and South Sudan happened because of race.
+--- 57861454
+>>57859241
+>not using all that money to Jumpstart a local air industry.
+Pakis did it, but Egyptians are another level of incompetent to ever do that.
+--- 57861662
+>>57859558
+The dam is too full. If they shut it it'll overflow and break. The only way Ethiopia could fuck up Sudan and Egypt would be the opposite, to create a flood by discharging it all at once, and then maybe they could shut it afterwards.
+--- 57861793
+>>57857683
+>list includes pro-western monarchs who were murdered by Soviet-backed Communist revolutionaries
+Do negroes really believe that bullshit?
+--- 57861842
+>>57861454
+as if anything we could make can compete with a Mig or F-16 lmao
+--- 57861933
+>>57860085
+>it cant be bombed anymore, ethiopia has already filled the reservoir behind it
+It can still be bombed it would just flood everything downstream
+Which would be based and GLA pilled
+--- 57862051
+>>57859617
+>Trying to get support from China for your war
+>Have Wagner zap some chinese contractors and jump their claim
+>Trying to buy ammo and weapons from Egypt
+>Support a coup against their puppet neighbour, have their pilots and troops executed
+Why is Russia like this?
+--- 57862139
+>>57861793
+People on the internet just pretend China and Russia never do any subversion, spycraft.
+--- 57862185
+>>57860730
+Why don't Africans film this stuff, or maybe they do but it ends up in close whatsapp circles or something
+--- 57862209
+>>57862185
+Everything I greentexted (except Egypt considering a rescue) was filmed. It's all super easy on Twitter if you just search for terms like "Khartoum." I don't even need a Twitter account to keep up.
+>RSF launch widespread attack to try and capture several airports and bases using technicals
+--- 57862223
+>>57862185
+>>57862209
+>Successfully capture Merowe/Marawi airpot along with ~10 Egyptian MiG-29s and dozens of Egyptian servicemen
+Cont.
+--- 57862234
+>>57862185
+>>57862223
+--- 57862243
+>>57862185
+>>57862234
+>Capture Khartoum International Airport as well
+--- 57862248
+>>57862185
+>>57862243
+>Capture Jebel Aulia/Jabal Awliya airbase which houses a bunch of derelict Hinds
+--- 57862255
+>>57862185
+>>57862248
+>Failed to capture all Sudanese airfields since the Sudanese Air Force is able to launch airstrikes in an around Khartoum
+--- 57862269
+>>57862185
+>Low flying MiG-29s strike Khartoum International Airport since it's held by the rebels, destroying at least the Saudi Airbus A330-300 HZ-AQ30, SkyUp Boeing 737-800 UR-SQH, a UN aircraft, as well as the arrival terminal of the airport itself
+Cont.; this has the most footage
+--- 57862288
+>>57862269
+--- 57862300
+>>57857704
+Why are they whiter than an American or British unit, this is not fair /k/ros ...
+--- 57862302
+>>57862288
+--- 57862310
+>>57862302
+--- 57862324
+>>57862310
+--- 57862331
+>>57862185
+>>57862324
+>Tank battles on Port Sudan
+--- 57862344
+>>57862185
+>>57862331
+>Night falls
+In summation, plenty of footage. Honestly some of this stuff is February 2022 tier. I left out several videos too because I can't be assed to keep making webms; lots more Fulcrums weaving between buildings and firing rockets.
+--- 57862363
+>>57862288
+>>57862269
+>>57862344
+How come the rebels have 0 AA?
+--- 57862367
+>>57862331
+I wanna see some Sudanese ztz-96s in action God damn it
+--- 57862397
+>>57857941
+Maybe because there isn't 50 hours left and you underestimate their capabilities?
+--- 57862424
+>>57862363
+If I had to guess I'd assume because they only ever really fought Darfur rebels and Houthis, neither of which field noteworthy air assets.
+You can see they have AAA on their technicals in >>57862209 though. They might've been caught off guard by the quickness of the Sudanese Air Force's response, particularly when their plan involved the capture of airports and airbases.
+--- 57862427
+>>57859167
+The Navy has those Russian helicopters for the carrier that France almost sold Russia.
+--- 57862467
+>>57862209
+>>57862344
+Thanks for the clipping. Good stuff
+--- 57862686
+>>57857279 (OP)
+So, any chance Egypt will get involved?
+--- 57862799
+Wikipedia already has a rough map going.
+Honestly I'm impressed both with the RSF's ability to coordinate a simultaneous surprise attack across the country and seize several of it's objectives, as well as with the Sudanese government's ability to land on it's feet and successfully retaliate with airstrikes.
+--- 57863000
+>>57862686
+not really, we are no in financial shape to fight a war and we dont really need to anymore >>57861758
+--- 57863066
+>>57862051
+Wait until you find out what they do to their close allies or their own country.
+--- 57863123
+>>57860435
+Retardo warlords always attack humanitarian aid. When you're using access to food, water and medicine as part part of how you enforce order, some nosy foreigners trying to help people are an enemy.
+--- 57863168
+>>57860730
+not gonna lie a rescue op would be pure kino
+--- 57863181
+>>57863000
+Aren't you fighting a war or two anyway?
+--- 57863305
+>>57863181
+Egyptian and Jordan involvement in Yemeni civil war is effectively paid by Saudis and other Gulf states. Their governments might actually make money out of it, they are selling diplomatic credibility to the Saudi led coalition. That is something you need to consider anytime Egypt does something outside of its borders, because its 50/50 split if they are going for their own regional interests and objectives or just renting their army out for cheap loans from the Gulf.
+--- 57863372
+>>57862799
+Sometimes both sides are too evenly matched
+--- 57863401
+>>57857890
+God I hope we get to see some good aircraft v aircraft footage out of this
+>>57858231
+May Allah have mercy on those poor bastards (the hostages, not the captors)
+--- 57863430
+>>57863372
+--- 57863688
+>>57860517
+this but unironically
+--- 57863711
+>>57857742
+elaborate, I don't make the connection.
+--- 57863930
+>>57858281
+The JSF are the Sudanese government's goon squad, they'd support the Arab side anyway.
+--- 57864899
+>>57863430
+NEW FIGHTING
+--- 57864928
+>>57864899
+--- 57864944
+>>57864928
+Woot woot
+--- 57865056
+>>57857742
+>/k/ supports glowniggers now
+--- 57865926
+>>57865056
+Ee
+--- 57866032
+>>57865926
+Why did all the fucking footage just stop?
+--- 57866068
+>>57857742
+The RSF, AKA the people who started this coup, are friends with Wagner and have been trading Gold to Russia apparently.
+--- 57866153
+>>57857279 (OP)
+Will Egypt send troops?
+--- 57866260
+>>57862255
+kino
+--- 57866271
+>>57862363
+>>57862424
+Here's footage of the RSF using that AAA.
+>>57864928
+Every video on that account is flipped horizontally for some reason.
+--- 57866474
+>>57866271
+That's amazing
+--- 57866621
+>>57866032
+Its nighttime
+--- 57868391
+>>57862427
+Those Kamov's that were reduced to flying MLRS and shake like a shitting dog on a cold morning?
+Impressive.
+--- 57868886
+>>57861454
+Pakistan is an odd place they would be living in mud huts and have a strong tribal society but somehow can put up machine shops inside the ancient ruins of some big brick warehouse or just use files and a press drill to make firearms in some dark room in their house. There is an entire YouTube genre of Pakistani machining videos where safety is always off and you wonder how they got the electricity to run the machines.
+--- 57868906
+>>57862209
+Do you think the person that took that video is still stuck on that plane trying to figure out if they will get a refund for their ticket?
+--- 57869186
+>>57862799
+Civil war soon.
+--- 57869308
+>>57869186
+Tank fighting
+--- 57869409
+>>57857567
+Not true if you grab the nerve centers of command and the treasury
+--- 57869455
+>>57869409
+Or burn it down
+--- 57869643
+Does Sudan have some hidden T-34 they can take out for the memes?
+--- 57869696
+tanks of the sudanese army engage the RSF, id?
+--- 57869725
+>>57869455
+--- 57869739
+So it seems the both the Sudanese Armed Forces and the RSF have on paper 100k men. We are in for a wild ride.
+--- 57869747
+>>57862051
+Same as it ever was.
+--- 57869778
+>>57859282
+Underrated kek
+--- 57869788
+>>57857279 (OP)
+>At least several
+--- 57869866
+>>57869739
+https://twitter.com/Eren50855570/status/1647522750750154753?s=20
+--- 57869880
+>>57857279 (OP)
+They may have captured the planes and the pilots. But what good are they without the mechanics, ground crew, supplies, munitions, parts, air/ground traffic control, etc?
+--- 57869918
+>>57869880
+They have some AA but Sudanese airforce is giving them hell
+--- 57869925
+>>57869918
+--- 57870511
+>>57869925
+oops
+--- 57870619
+>>57870511
+--- 57870633
+>>57870619
+--- 57871586
+>>57869739
+They have roughly equal numbers, but RSF is entirely motorized infantry, whereas the government has infantry, armor, and air.
+RSF doesn't seem to have any air defenses except AAA mounted on Toyotas, too.
+--- 57872214
+>>57871586
+Here's that AAA in action.
+Firing pattern matches >>57862344 with two bursts.
+--- 57872292
+Okay, this is interesting and I could use some second opinions on it.
+This is from Port Sudan, and shows this guy with this emblem right next to three friendly tanks. The emblem looks to me like a variation of the RSF seal, and I can't find similar emblems in the government forces. If this is the case, it can be assumed the RSF has captured government armor.
+https://twitter.com/TramaZoul/status/1647593325573074944
+Again, secondary opinion would be appreciated, and I'm not saying anything for certain.
+--- 57872579
+So who do we support, the army or the RSF?
+--- 57872685
+I know absolutely nothing about Sudan or who is invading who, so rather than asking for a spoonout I'll do some reading and map surveying to see what the fuck is going on. Back in a few.
+--- 57872831
+>>57872685
+so it's basically another civil war
+--- 57873126
+>>57862139
+Shut up, retard. Can't say shit about anything involving the US military without everyone calling you a chink or vatnigger.

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+--- 57857308
+Stalker thread
+Just got back from a stalker challenge. I went out last night under cover of darkness. I canoed across the lake a little more than a mile to an uninhabited island that no one goes to. It's totally inaccessible by any boat with a motor. Even if you want to get to with a kayak or a canoe you have to bounce the boat over 50 meters of high weeds and mangrove to actually get to shore. This was a pretty short excursion and there's no abandoned structure, just an abandoned island. For the scoring this will be Novice difficulty because I only camped overnight not for a solid 24 hours, and technically I was just innawoods. The lake is patrolled by a wildlife officer I had to sneak around getting to the site and leaving it this morning. It's a very popular sporting lake so the risk of getting cheeki breeki is higher than not. But I was not busted. This was just a spur of the moment thing, just good to stretch the legs and have some fun. I'll post other stalker challenges I've done later in the thread and other anons feel free. Stalker challenge is just an excuse to go outside and play in the woods with guns.
+--- 57857333
+here's from my step off. Loaded up the canoe with my ak and my pack. I have a large tarp strapped onto my pack and I have a sposn vest.
+>>57857322
+lol nothing, seems thats all the board is nowadays. I am wearing a freedom patch so that at least has the ukrainian flag on it
+--- 57857361
+this is what I mean by the very tall weeds. In order to get to the island you have to navigate around a quarter mile of submerged stumps. Then you get to about 50 meters of 6 foot tall saplings and weeds. You have to like bounce the canoe and push yourself off the bottom to carve a way through. It's also worth mentioning when I pushed off the canoe a magazine fell out of my vest and into the lake. It was only a foot of water so I was able to get it back. Make sure all your magazines are strapped in lol
+--- 57857379
+After stealthily canoeing around the wildlife officer I made it to shore. I made my little shelter with the tarp and made myself a fire.
+--- 57857398
+There are no signs of deer, humans, anything on this island. The briars are so thick you have to machete around wherever you go like its the jungle. The only inhabitants of the island are hundreds of birds. Some making some wild noises that I've never heard birds make before.
+--- 57857415
+I set up camp so that my back would be to the water and the opening of my shelter would be inland. The corner of the island I made camp on is also the part of the island furthest from the center of the lake and the area where motored boats can safely navigate. My fire and noise pollution were not seen by anybody.
+--- 57857442
+After setting up camp I did jack shit. I ate a santa claus chocolate bar leftover from christmas and called it a night. There was a lot of bird chatter and a lot of birds hopping around on the ground around my shelter. But nothing wild or paranormal. Managed to sleep a few hours before dawn hit
+--- 57857456
+lying down with the tarp flap open enjoying the fresh cool air. This was just as dawn was starting to break
+--- 57857470
+smoking an antonio cleopatra cigar to start the day, simultaneously fulfilling the need to smoke something for my freedom bonus points
+--- 57857483
+By this time I could hear the lake starting to wake up, people opening and closing car doors, engines running, boat's going up and down the way
+--- 57857496
+here I'm just showing what I got in my vest. This is a very bright flashlight that was crucial in spotting stumps last night
+--- 57857500
+and I was running barnaul in all my magazines
+--- 57857505
+couple smoke bombs
+--- 57857519
+had my sig p229 as my secondary as well, as you can tell most of these pictures are just me holding things up
+--- 57857529
+saw no floppies to slot
+--- 57857536
+cheeki breeki iv damke
+--- 57857555
+and thats when I decided it was about time to head out. I didn't want to stay so late that people really started waking up, and would question me on my return trip
+--- 57857562
+This is the weeds in the day light. What you see there is my path from the night before. Just having to push my way through
+--- 57857581
+and behind me going back to the island. in the future I might start adding to the island to make it a little more homely. I can confidently say I'm the only person autistic enough to get to make it here, so I know no one will ever bother me.
+--- 57857591
+finally back on open water. There's so much submerged tree trunks and stuff no one with a big boat ever comes back here, let alone even considers the possibility of going to the island.
+--- 57857637
+and after this all I had to do was canoe past the wildlife officer and I was home free. I have my pack and ak and everything else under the tarp there. I wasn't doing anything illegal this trip, I just didn't want to talk to law enforcement if I didn't need to. Sitting in a boat with full tactical getup, guns and ammo can get you some unwanted attention sometimes.
+If I added everything up correctly this trip I got 65 points.
+novice difficulty got me 0
+freedom faction +15
+ +5 for wearing flektarn
+ +10 for smoking something
+lighting fire and squatting around it +10
+Loner and Adventurer addon's counted as one for +20 points
+I've got the scoresheet and rules after this post, plus whatever cool pictures I have from previous stalker outings
+--- 57857674
+this is from a cement factory I did in 2019
+--- 57857686
+the cement factory was full of all kinds of cool graffiti
+--- 57857712
+>>57857646
+I like how you get extra points for bringing LESS ammo. Oh, "only" 90 rounds? Gee I may not survive through the night, that's barely enough to down a crackhead.
+--- 57857730
+this is from a homeless methhead encampment I stumbled upon once. 7 or 8 different crazy homeless people living about 2 miles into the woods in an abandoned truck stop. They were pretty cool when they weren't accusing me of stealing photographs of their dead relatives
+>>57857712
+no matter how much ammo i had on me I never felt safe around addicts
+--- 57857750
+this basement cowboy is giving me a tour of, he was planning on putting a couch in and turning into his own little clubhouse. He also told me that a month before I showed up 4 dead bodies were found in this basement and the police needed cowboy to come down there and identify the corpses. But anyways yeah he's gonna put a huge flatscreen right here, gonna get some carpet put down here, fix those lights.
+--- 57857771
+that was a fun time, their truck stop got bulldozed by the city so hopefully theyre all dead now
+--- 57857801
+Here's a different truck terminal from 2019. This one didn't have any homeless people. Actually it didn't have any living things inside of it at all. Turns out it was fucking radioactive and I got radiation sickness being in this fucking thing. Had to have blood samples taken every hour for 9 hours after this. Pumpin me full of iodine and shit. National radiological community or whatever the fuck its called was notified, they still aint done nothing about it. You can still just walk right in this place
+--- 57857813
+I don't feel so good in here squidward
+--- 57857825
+and my last excursion was last winter. Hiked out past this 5g tower to an abandoned little shack
+--- 57857834
+>>57857825
+well that pictures fucked lol
+anyways here's the 5g tower
+--- 57857848
+abandoned shack from the outside, spooky
+these are the last of my pictures im posting today. feel free to post your own stuff! Stalker is just a way of making going innawoods a little more fun. You have some objectives and stuff to do. Be safe out there stalkers!
+--- 57857903
+>>57857308 (OP)
+Good read.
+--- 57858037
+>>57857637
+Absolutely based, thanks for sharing anon.
+--- 57858102
+>>57857322
+Kill yourself bot.
+--- 57858148
+>>57857801
+Why in the fuck was it radioactive?
+--- 57858326
+>>57857705
+How did you get in my house?!
+--- 57858384
+>>57858148
+why in the fuck IS it radioactive. they still haven't tore the building down or even put up signs. To the best of my knowledge they haven't even sent someone out there with a geiger counter. It was a truck depot/warehouse that worked for the uranium enrichment factory 45 minutes down the road. Turns out the factory was leaking radioactive particles everywhere, tons of safety hazards. When the factory had to start shutting down (still in the process of shutting down because radioactive shit doesn't just stop) the trucking warehouse company went out of business. This was like 2002 I think. That truck depot is radioactive as fuck. But no one's been in it (besides me) in 20 years. Take a geiger counter outside, nothing. It's normal ambient radiation levels. But take it inside and start kicking up all that dust in there and you're breathing in some bad shit. Just being in there about 12 hours the doctor said I had accumulated about 1 gray of radiation. I did not get ARS, but I did get radiation poisoning. I was nauseous and had pains in my head and gut. But then about a month later all the symptoms come back again a second time twice as bad and that fucking sucked because I was working. Radiation is super bad for you kids. Sometimes abandoned shit should just be left abandoned. The only thing notifying the nuclear administration did was stop the city who planned to demolish the building. It is still there, still in limbo, no signs up, nothing. I think I left a stalker cache in the bathroom.
+--- 57858417
+>>57857519
+Nice belly rig
+--- 57858465
+>>57857730
+>>57857801
+I'm a big fan of your work.
+--- 57858498
+I think the ultimate Stalker challenge is 24-hours in Detroit, old neighborhoods.
+--- 57858667
+>>57858417
+ordered it just before the war started and trade sanctions went up. But customs denied it anyways. So vlad being a bro slapped some more stamps on it and mailed it to jamaica to mail it to me. really lightweight and gets the job done.
+--- 57858801
+>>57857801
+I remember that, were you sterilized?
+--- 57858886
+>>57858801
+I don't know. I haven't gotten gf pregnant yet but we also havent been trying. We've been together since before the radioactive business and we didn't get pregnant then either. She almost went on this excursion today but backed out and went to bed at the last moment.
+--- 57858929
+>>57857771
+Are those rings or was cowboy brass knuckled the whole time?
+--- 57858941
+>>57858886
+Well I hope it didn't fuck you up too bad, a relative of mine was stationed near the Fukushima disaster when it happened and wound up getting irradiated and sterilized by some sort of radiation cloud that passed by his area.
+--- 57858955
+>>57857505
+What kind of smoke bombs?
+--- 57858976
+>>57858886
+What a kino pic. I want a gunpilled gf
+--- 57858989
+>>57858929
+kinda both? he had super heavy rings on both hands. but also the entire time he had pliers in his hands as well as if they brass knuckles. like with the two handles sticking out between his fingers (also I feel fine posting his face now because I've heard through the grape vine cowboy is no longer with us rip)
+--- 57859057
+>>57858955
+mammoth smoke and showtime smoke both white. they put out a huge volume.
+--- 57859073
+>>57857750
+part of me envies wackjobs that can live like that
+--- 57859096
+>>57857848
+>feel free to post your own stuff!
+I found this floating near an abandoned dock in the middle of nowhere during a trip innawoods, does that count?
+--- 57859106
+>>57857333
+> I am wearing a freedom patch so that at least has the ukrainian flag on it
+Was a promising thread but into the trash it goes.
+--- 57859124
+>>57859106
+duty made this post
+--- 57859158
+>>57857581
+Damn, making /k/ great again.
+--- 57859163
+You ever had a run in with the wildlife officers before doing this?
+--- 57859968
+good thread deserves a bump
+--- 57860258
+That was a cool read OP
+--- 57860269
+>>57857308 (OP)
+https://discord.gg/5fYrpArS
+stalkin discksword server
+--- 57860344
+>>57857825
+>tfw caught in a bandit snare
+--- 57860360
+>>57857801
+What does having radiation sickness feel like?
+--- 57860385
+Ever had any run ins with the law while stalkan?
+--- 57860414
+>>57860269
+>discord
+--- 57860429
+>>57857308 (OP)
+Stalker as in the game or stalker as in "the restraining order can't stop me"?
+--- 57860434
+nice thread anon, that looked like a lot of fun
+--- 57860447
+>>57857308 (OP)
+Sick shit anon, keep at it. Noting to add nods to the equation
+--- 57860587
+>>57860385
+Please do a stalker run in that setup
+--- 57860594
+>>57858989
+Have you considered LARPing as a green beret and training an indigenous meth head army?
+--- 57860636
+>>57858465
+Holy shit.
+--- 57860637
+>>57857415
+>no lights discipline
+>your fire is visible 10 miles away to LLTV camera on any drone
+Here is the lesson: with today's tech you have less visibility during day.
+--- 57860699
+>>57860637
+Where are you that you're dealing with drone surveillance?
+--- 57860740
+>>57860344
+you sick bastard
+saved
+--- 57860742
+>>57857308 (OP)
+I've been considering doing what I think is quite possibly one of the most difficult stalker challenges possible recently.
+The destination is North Brother Island, NYC.
+I'd have to traverse through Manhattan with a car, rifle, and all my gear, inflate a boat, and paddle through the East River in the middle of the night to the abandoned quarantine facilities on the island.
+Obviously the waters around NYC are patrolled by militarized NYPD boats, and any fire on the island that isn't concealed has the potential to attract attention from the large population centers surrounding the island, as well as Rikers island prison nearby.
+I think I'd call it "The Typhoid Mary Challenge" seeing as that woman was forcibly kept on the island her whole life.
+The season for the attempt is coming up, I figure you need foliage to pull it off successfully because otherwise any motion would be much easier to detect.
+--- 57860745
+>>57860699
+CONUS?
+--- 57860753
+>>57858465
+>>57858384
+>>57858148
+>>57858465
+Remember when another pair of STALKERS went out that trucking depot to confirm with actual military rad gear and didn't find shit?
+Keep LARPing, I enjoy the show.
+https://archive.is/aC1e7
+https://archive.is/P4v5B
+--- 57860779
+>>57860745
+feelsbadman
+--- 57860813
+>>57860385
+What ak? It's long
+--- 57860914
+>>57860447
+holy shit it's Luke m1911s
+--- 57860984
+>>57857308 (OP)
+Pretty cool anon, nice classic /k/ here
+--- 57861021
+>>57860753
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f5KAIt0fRA [Embed]
+--- 57862057
+>>57857308 (OP)
+My stalker experience was when I saw this college woman wearing leggings without a skirt and a low cut top and followed her thinking she was drunk and--- oh wait.
+Well I live in southeastern PA and I tried to drive around to find possible STALKER locations but kept seeing development, residential uppity homes, and closed signs. Some areas have been bought up and got repurposed.
+Anyone have any suggestions for southeastern PA potential STALKERs besides leaving the state?
+--- 57862080
+>>57862057
+God I need a duty wife
+--- 57862534
+>>57860753
+Man thats cool as fuck! I never knew someone followed up and other stalkers went there. That's badass. I was always too scared to go back inside the structure. The post also makes the whole thing even fucking weirder. I did get radiation poisoning. I went on orders for the national rifle matches immediately following the short hospitalization for the radiation poisoning. And I mean right after, I drove 6 hours across the state right after having 9 viles of blood taken. About a month later I was sick called for the returning symptoms. I have like 10 plus people that all saw me pretty well suffering from this, and multiple different nurses and doctors treated me from different ends of the state. It is so fucking weird that they detected nothing. Could the warehouse have been neutralized in some way? Could the radioactive particles been a gas that escaped after I entered the site? I wonder if it was just a pocket of radioactive particles I kicked up, and it diluted and dissipated after I left? I'm not totally sure what happened with my camera was cherenkov effect, but it's never taken a normal picture since. That could just be wild coincidence. Their stalker trip left me with more questions than answers! But no that was really badass seeing someone else do stalker challenge where I have, and find my stash! Hats off to those guys for bringing the ppe and the infrared cameras and really going the extra mile. I am really happy that they didn't exposed to radiation too. As cool as it would be to see a confirmation of the irradiated truck terminal, I'm more relieved it's the USED to be irradiated truck terminal now.
+>>57860385
+>>57859163
+I've never had a run in with any law enforcement before. I always got the fuck outta there as soon as I got the inkling. At this cement factory we heard some loud shouting and male voices. We just hightailed it outta there before we found out who they were. Probably biomass factory employees, but I wasnt stickin around.
+--- 57862611
+>>57860360
+it's a little bit different depending on what microrganisms in your body it's destroying first. For me my symptoms were an excruciating gut and head pain accompanied by sweating, fever, lethargy, nausea, vomiting. It was when I started throwing up I decided something was actually wrong and went to the hospital. My white blood cells were mostly fine, which is good news. Bad news my gut bacteria was mostly dead. Both in my stool sample and my urine sample. The reason they gotta take 8 additional (9 total) viles of blood is because the breakdown of your cells from radiation can happen over a prolonged period of time. So they measure the rate by which your cells are dying, over the course of an eight hour period, to kind of predict how fucked you're gonna be later. Because the symptoms suck now, but in 2 weeks to 6 months all of those symptoms come back again twice as fucking bad. It's returning symptoms or latent symptoms whatever you want to call it. When you get ARS it isn't the initial symptoms that usually kills you. You get the symptoms, feel terrible. But then you recover, feel better for a few weeks. Then bam it comes back twice as bad and then you die. Radiations really fucked, and the way it effects your body really depends on how much, how quickly, and in what way you absorbed the radiation. To me the worst part was 10 straight hours of the same 3 two and a half men episodes and the not being allowed to go to sleep.
+--- 57862787
+>>57860447
+>>57860637
+I definitely need nods, just haven't been able to bite the financial bullet. Need to rebuild porch and seawall first. I wasn't worried about drones or aircraft this time around. I just kind of tagged it in there at the bottom of one of the pics, but my campsite is in the best defendable and hidden place on the island. The only one who was gonna bust me was the wildlife officer, and there was thick underbrush and elevation changes blocking his (or anyone on the lake) view of my fire or campsite. The lights are white light but they were always pointed straight down if used, and they were used very sparingly. Navigating the water getting there, with all the submerged stumps, you need a penetrating white light in the water if you're inserting during the night. But after that you can run nods.
+>less visibility during the day
+next time I'm going to get in place the evening before because I won't have to sneak past the wildlife officer, I'll just look like a normal dude. Then I'll bunker down for the night and work during the day. I want to machete out a bunch of paths on the island and really explore it. Besides my campsite the briars are so thick you can even stand up straight on the island.
+--- 57863078
+>>57862057
+Praise monolith
+--- 57863291
+>>57857637
+Cool thread OP
+>>57858465
+Kek, getting radiation poisoning should give you 50+ points
+--- 57863766
+So are any new stalker opportunities going to open up given the Colorado River situation? The US government just released their draft plans, and they're talking forcing Arizona to cut their water usage by 1/3 by 2024 and forcing California to cut up to 1/5 of their usage as well. There are articles talking about the possible elimination of the Glen Canyon Dam and Lake Powell as well.
+--- 57863979
+>>57860742
+I won't say it's impossible but it's not worth the risk to try sneaking there. Picking a launch point you won't instantly be caught at is a monumental pain in the dick and then you're paddling hopefully with the tide very close to Rikers. Not that Rikers is some movie bullshit super high security lockup but you wouldn't want to be noticed on a raft near it at night.
+Even though in the end it would be a bad fine and community service for attempting to get to the island, you'd get really very fucked for having any kind of firearm on you at all. A folding knife would be the limit, you could get away with that even if you didn't manage to ditch it in the river if you were caught.
+You are going to look at parking by the coca cola warehouse. It's the first thing you'll decide on. Bring no gear and scout it the first night. The warehouses that make up hunts point are super active in the middle of the night, which is when you want to go. Being the only car there during the day is obvious but once you get the feel for how the night schedule goes you'll be in a better position.
+I kind of want to do this the more I think about it. It's such a bad idea. Seriously a firearm would be the deal breaker for me, you can't get caught there with one.
+--- 57864148
+>>57857322
+Stalker is made by Ukranian devs and takes place in Ukraine
+--- 57865173
+>>57857308 (OP)
+reminds me of
+https://youtu.be/2xnI1hZdltw [Embed]
+--- 57866918
+Since there are some interesting places in this thread already, what are the best stalking zones across all of the United States? Anywhere with plenty of history or that's sufficiently dangerous enough. I take road trips frequently so it might be handy to keep some of these places in mind
+--- 57867018
+>>57863979
+>I kind of want to do this the more I think about it. It's such a bad idea.
+I know, right? I honestly don't think I'd be able to sleep at all, my heart would be in my throat constantly.
+If I do bring a gun (really the worst possible idea in the whole stupid plan), I think it's probably going to be one I buy specifically for the trip, and it'll be a hipoint or something I can buy privately in another state, so if I have to bail and ditch it in the river I'm not emotionally or numerically tied to it.
+I'm assuming nypd has thermals of some kind too, at least mounted on their watercraft if nothing else.
+If the fucking river wasn't full of every disease known to man I'd say my best way in unnoticed is to wear a wetsuit, train for a few months, and pull my gear behind me as I swim in a drybag, but I'm not keen on needing a full course of antibiotics from all the bullshit floating in the water.
+--- 57867343
+>>57860753
+so some dudes went over and fucked around, no mention of how they investigated possible dust.... but because the pictures were not blurry they decided no radiation?
+anon...
+>>57862534
+or it could have been a dust kicked up that they didnt kick up.
+Reading the archive makes it look like they just walked around for a bit and looked to see if things spiked.
+--- 57867385
+>>57857750
+Damn this man is the kinoest methhead. If I ever become a junkie I’m gonna innawoods it too
+--- 57867433
+https://www.justice.gov/usao-pr/pr/fraticelli-trucking-company-inc-guilty-illegally-transporting-radioactive-material
+so they were transporting cobalt 60.
+probably for medical use?
+its usually in disk or slug form and becomes a powder if damaged.
+So not a lot of powder.
+It has a half life of about 5-6 years.
+that report concerns shit from 2014.
+so even a small trace of that powder from some fuck dropping a bit of cobalt 60 could potentially cause issues, AND not be found later.
+So far I see nothing to disprove the story.
+The super autist STALKER report isn't detailed enough.
+That shit is highly radioactive and a gamma emitter.
+Unironically radioactive anon could have picked enough up on his boots to make him sick, walked out, and scraped it off in the woods on dirt by walking.
+He even might have inhaled a scan few particles that were left.
+--- 57868470
+>>57857674
+Zanesville Stalker?
+--- 57868648
+>>57857637
+sick thread, great pics. thanks for sharing!
+--- 57869256
+>>57867018
+NYPD maritime does not have thermals or NV. They have binocs. They probably know to sweep the outer edge of the island with the floodlight when they make their circuit because there is at least one article online about the island where someone went there and took photos just to write the article about it, but of course they went during the day so the photos would be decent. For all we know they could have just pulled up on one of the million privately owned pleasure boats in NYC after notifying maritime they were doing it for an article.
+Also it's one of the closest things to Rikers, again not high security. Rikers is a holding tank for people going back and forth to a courtroom, it's not a penitentiary.
+The water is fine. It's no different from any other ocean water on the northeast coast. There's no untreated sewage or industrial runoff.
+Honestly if you have to bring a smoke pole for the whole effort to "count", make a pipe gun. That's the smartest option that exists. It's also in line with the stalker aesthetic. I can't emphasize enough how much you always want to be ready to not have a gun on you if you got caught.
+The island is big enough that once you were on you could get to the interior and may as well be in the middle of the southwest. Set up a tent and build a fire because nobody's bothering you. The whole thing is getting there. It would take a while but scout the NYPD circuit, it won't be perfectly clockwork but you should get an idea of when you have to set out. Leaving too, know their schedule before you even set out.
+Something sturdy enough to mount an electric trolling outboard with a battery, and still carry over your head, would be ideal. It's a big expenditure if you don't already fish but it reduces your time in the open.
+--- 57869585
+>>57862534
+>>57862611
+>>57867433
+Original thread had someone theorize it was gamma radiation because OP had not inhaled the alpha and beta emitters that nuke the gut.
+If the gamma source was removed, there would be no particles/dust to provide evidence of contamination when "Vadim" showed up with a Geiger counter.
+--- 57869669
+>>57863766
+Once the lakebed is dry, Caesar will cross the desert on foot
+--- 57869718
+>>57862611
+So how did they treat your radiation sickness?
+--- 57869735
+>tfw went to actual Chernobyl and haven't been the same physicañly ever since
+--- 57869914
+>>57869735
+People were revisiting chernobyl regularly, stop being a pussy.
+--- 57869973
+>>57857801
+Well fuck me I guess I’ll bring a Geiger counter if I even go stalking.
+>>57858989
+F
+>>57869585
+>Ohio
+Someone please tell me this was in Ohio. I want some Stalker opportunities out here but suburban expansion and most of the state being private property means there isn’t much, at least around me, to go around.
+Maybe places in WV or Kentucky? I’m also not worried of getting lit up by tweakers, land owners, poachers, or drug traffickers.
+--- 57869998
+>>57869973
+Yes.
+--- 57870035
+>>57869998
+Fucking hell, that’s right by me.
+Also there is a place called Pee Pee.
+Any anons nearby wanna trek there?
+--- 57870308
+>>57862534
+Dude, that looks fuckin sick.
+Here's my most recent adventure. Didn't go quite as planned though. I'll be doing another one here soon.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf6azAfaJZk [Embed]
+--- 57870715
+>>57862534
+> Could the warehouse have been neutralized in some way?
+Absolutely. If we're talking about a gamma emitter, simply removing the source removes the radiation. If we're talking about dust, then yes, that can also dealt with in several ways, but you're going to know that someone went in there and cleaned up. A proper decon, if even possible, is not subtle. Nor is fixing the contamination in place, but I don't see that happening in a location that the public can access. Fixed contamination isn't a problem for people that know where it is and how to handle it, but those people are not the general public. The proper way to deal with a vacant building like that that's crapped up is to remove all traces of it, including the soil around it.
+>Could the radioactive particles been a gas that escaped after I entered the site?
+It's possible, but not probable.
+>>57862611
+That's...odd for a number of reasons. I'm curious about why they started looking into radiation sickness in the first place. There are other conditions that can produce those symptoms, and I'd think that radiation sickness is generally not the first thing that a doctor is going to suspect, especially if the bloodwork looks decent. I'm also curious about whether or not they checked your clothing for contamination, whether or not the NRC was notified, and what the follow up looked like. My understanding is that if some rando shows up at a hospital with radiation sickness, notifications are made, investigations are started, and a whole lot of shit follows. My knowledge of the process outside of the industry is admittedly limited however.
+>>57867433
+Co-60 has a number of uses. It's normally transported and stored inside shielding and doesn't get directly handled, as it's nasty shit to be around. Think of a shielded box with a door that can be opened to aim the gammas in a specific direction. It shouldn't be leaving powder on the ground.
+>t. contamination worker
+--- 57871029
+>>57865173
+This guy has interesting videos.
+>walks into stores during riots to film
+--- 57871093
+>>57857637
+Very cool OP, you're not a faggot for once.
+--- 57871305
+I just realized north maine has abandoned logging towns and there is probably a very justifiable reason to carry in a trip there so it’s an automatic way to complete the challenge
+--- 57871321
+>>57870715
+In the original thread anons told OP he was probably suffering from radiation sickness so he went to the ER and told them he may have been exposed. They looked into radiation sickness because that's what OP told them on arrival.
+--- 57871370
+>>57870715
+Happy someone's in the thread actually knows what they're talking about! Yeah they told me the Nuclear Radiological commission or whatever they're called was notified. I had to talk to a police officer who took like a quick little memo, the cop was just concerned if I was doing anything "illegal" (apperentley trespassing with a gun isn't illegal to him). I told them when I got to the hospital I thought I had radiation sickness. They took urine and blood samples right away, then like 2 minutes after they took the blood samples a bunch of nurses came rushing into the waiting room to get me, and told me I did in fact have radiation poisoning. They just made me take iodine pills if I remember correctly, and gave me a few water bottles. Never made me take off my clothes (granted I had changed into a new pair of street clothes before I went to the hospital). They just took a vile of blood every hour for eight hours and released me at the end. About 4 or 5 hours in the doctor came in and told me that I had absorbed about 1 gray of radiation. That I didn't develop ARS but I had significantly exposed myself to nonmedical radiation. He said I would be okay in the short term, but there was no telling what kind of long term damage I might've done. That was about it. I never got a follow up from a cop or anyone else. Nothing from the NRC either. Sounding kind of conspiracy now, but I wonder if the NRC or some other body did come to the site after I went to the hospital and removed the source of the radiation. I doubt it, but I can't help but speculate.
+--- 57871533
+>>57871321
+>>57870715
+>Telling the feds about an orphan radiation source
+>not sharing the location on /k/ so we can go and stick our penises in it
+What the fuck dude?
+--- 57871589
+>>57860344
+Why did he do it bros
+--- 57871600
+>>57871533
+locations right here bro, we need more boots on the ground. bring a geiger counter and keep us in the know!
+--- 57871628
+>>57857308 (OP)
+If you don't mind I'd like to share some images I collected from a nearby shutdown concrete plant
+--- 57871640
+>>57871628
+And to ruin the surprise for you, there was no dead body. Massive let down
+--- 57871650
+>>57857379
+How did he not find you anon
+--- 57871657
+>>57871533
+>shaka
+is this the new chudwhistle?
+--- 57871670
+>>57871640
+However there was this area, I'm torn between dubbing it the Oasis or the Fern Gulley
+--- 57871709
+>>57871670
+Sadly there was no radiation to be had, only graffiti of varying quality
+--- 57871711
+>>57871650
+I turned my bow light off and I paddled very slowly. The officer's boat was maybe 75-100 meters from me when we were closest. I paddled across the semi open water between us for about half an hour maybe forty five minutes before I got out of his line of sight. I had to use my flashlight maybe twice to quickly spot some stumps. At the closest I could see the guy inside the patrol boat. He was leaned over and his arms were crossed. My hypothesis is he was watching youtube videos or something all night, and just wasn't paying attention when I floated by. It's also worth saying, this is a fucking lake. If he heard something bouncing around or some noise, he'd just assume it was any couple hundred people's boats moored on the shore. When I left in the morning I waited until some early morning fishermen had gotten out on the lake. So when I left I probably just looked like a boomer fisherman. I was actually more worried about the departing because during the day the wildlife officer is real friendly and likes to come up to your boat and see what youre doing. So I was more afraid of him playing nice cop first thing in the morning, and seeing my ak and ammo. Then start being a dick.
+--- 57871720
+>>57871711
+>fucking big lake
+forgot the big part
+--- 57871823
+>>57871657
+kinda?
+--- 57872064
+>>57871628
+>>57871640
+>>57871670
+>>57871711
+This all still Ohio anon?
+--- 57872231
+>>57872064
+no those other 3 are not mine, the canoe is mine
+--- 57872290
+>>57872064
+No, I'm a different guy from Texas
+--- 57872302
+>>57871823
+cool, I dig it
+--- 57872328
+>>57872290
+--- 57872330
+>>57868470
+lol yep that was my first stalker challenge and does look similar to this guys factory >>57871640
+but definitely not the same one. That one in zanesville is way harder to get to now than it was. When I did it they closed the gate on me lol and I had to drive my front wheel drive car off road around the grow ohio and onto 22 driving over the burm. Now there's a fence there if I remember correctly. It's cool as fuck and I want to go back, it's possible you can even access it further down the road from the woods and hoof it 5 or 6 miles in but who's telling what kind of redneck shit could be in that 5 or 6 miles waiting for you.
+--- 57872369
+>>57872330
+Well I guess a cement factory will always look like a cement factory regardless of if its in Zanesville or San Antonio. Thankfully mine is easily accessible, just surrounded by people that could easily spot you
+--- 57872544
+>>57871370
+>no followup
+>no route investigation
+>iodine pills
+Very unusual, but I work for different people and it may just be that they have a different procedure for dealing with something like this. Or it could be standard burueacratic fuckery.
+The bloodwork monitoring checks out. You can actually estimate a dose pretty accurately that way. Likewise, if you've received a dose but you're not internally contaminated, there's not a huge amount to be done in terms of treatment.
+>1 gy
+That's a spicy dose but you'll be fine. To put things in perspective, I've accumulated about 1.5% of that over ten years of nuclear work, some of that being in fairly hot (at least for us) areas. OSHA allows 5% of that as an annual dose for radiation workers. So yeah, you don't want to make this a habit, but generally speaking if it doesn't kill you or really fuck you up your life will go on as normal.
+>I wonder if the NRC or some other body did come to the site after I went to the hospital and removed the source of the radiation
+That's what should have happened. When they hear about an orphan source, they're pretty aggressive about removing it. I'd think that there would have been some sort of public mention about it based on similar situations in the past, but then again that's no guarantee that every past situation was made public either. My employers don't tell the public shit because there's no reason for them to know, as they're not in any danger.
+While I've got you here, I do have a couple of questions: what made you suspect radiation exposure, and how long were you in that truck stop?
+--- 57872676
+>>57872369
+The last of my good pics, I like to imagine whoever did this really hated having to read the Odessey, that or they hate the Simpsons
+--- 57872711
+>>57871370
+>1 gray
+--- 57873170
+>>57872544
+First the camera distortions, then the symptoms. Other anons put it together and suggested I go and seek medical treatment. I lived right down the road from the hospital at the time so when I started vomiting I decided it was time to go. I was in the truck stop approximately 12hrs, maybe a little longer.
+--- 57873237
+>>57872544
+it's worth noting the camera distortions are probably an exposure problem and not something related to the cherenokv effect. But it was something that spooked me and made me want to get checked. I haven't been able to replicate them any other time, and the distortions aren't in every photograph. Even in other low light photographs theres no distortion. It's also a gopro not a cell phone I took the pictures with. Don't know if that makes a huge difference.

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+--- 57858137
+>Russia loses 2.5 men for every 1 Ukraine loses despite being the "2nd most powerful military on earth“
+So this is the power of 30 year old NATO equipment
+--- 57858161
+>>57858137 (OP)
+Not that bad.
+--- 57858299
+>>57858161
+This. No panic
+--- 57858341
+>>57858137 (OP)
+Yes russia loses 2-3x as many men
+But russia have 5x population
+Russia eventually win. It is math
+--- 57858352
+>>57858341
+That's only if they are willing to commit literally every man to the cause and have them die
+--- 57858358
+>>57858341
+Unless most of that population refuses to die.
+--- 57858359
+That's a pretty bad ratio for the Ukranians honestly. I thought they were doing much better considering how many attacks theyve spoiled
+--- 57858368
+>>57858137 (OP)
+>Common battle doctrine dictates that one should expect 3 losses to every kill on a defensive battle
+It's bad, and personally I'd be embarrassed about it, while supposedly enjoying such an enormous technological and numerical advantage over Ukraine. But it tracks.
+--- 57858381
+>>57858352
+They will.... Putin will do whatever it takes because the only other option results in his death. Russia has already mathematically won the war. Only question now is how costly the West can make Russia's victory.
+--- 57858387
+>>57858381
+You would have a point if Russia was losing men but gaining ground. But Russia is losing more men and LOSING ground.
+--- 57858405
+>>57858381
+>>57858359
+At the start of the war Russia had better tech than Ukraine so over time the KDR becomes even more in Ukraine's favor. For half the war Russia had better equipment than Ukraine but now every day Ukraines equipment gets better while Russia's get worse.
+--- 57858406
+>>57858341
+That assumes Russia can mobilize its entire fighting-capable population and equip them, which is unlikely. It also assumes that that loss rate is stable, which it probably isn't, since Ukraine practices rotation of its troops more regularly and they're getting a better grab bag of toys from interested parties. As this war goes on you can expect Russian loss ratios to worsen, due to lower-quality stock with little/no training using lesser equipment in formations that are increasingly unmechanized with decreasing levels of artillery support due to shell starvation and the barrels of their guns getting fucked-out and supplemented/replaced with inferior equipment (T-62s and T-54/55s in a fire support role).
+--- 57858408
+>>57858358
+Tbf Russians are a race of slaves. What's dying to a subhuman slave that probably wants to die anyway?
+--- 57858432
+>>57858406
+I expect Russia to continue to try and augment their manpower by pressuring Belarus to attack (unlikely to happen), and by continuing to try to entice niggers and towelheads to sign fighting contracts. So far the volume of such individuals seems to be pretty low.
+--- 57858433
+>>57858406
+That's the best part. At the start of the war Russian soldiers were better trained and had better equipment than Ukraine. Now it's the opposite
+--- 57858468
+>>57858433
+Yes but Russia makes up for it by just conscripting increasing numbers of men. It worked 1000 years ago. It worked 100 years ago. Surely it would work today
+>>57858358
+Russian propaganda says they’re winning against the entirety of NATO
+--- 57858483
+lol
+lmao
+--- 57858494
+>>57858468
+>It worked 100 years ago
+They lost ww1 and ww2 they only won because the US lend leased them, the same thing the US is doing for Ukraine right now.
+--- 57858508
+>>57858405
+What tech advantage? In what area did Russia completely outmatch the Ukranians?
+--- 57858514
+>>57858508
+At the start of the war Russia had better planes and tanks.
+--- 57858531
+>>57858137 (OP)
+Our shit is pretty good, but don't discount the fact that it's easier to defend than invade. Especially when the Ruskies are so blatantly incompetent. Nonetheless, fuck both Russia and Ukraine.
+--- 57858540
+Now that it's confirmed that the leak documents are real (or at least a Psy-op planned by the US but I doubt this since it makes the US look bad) we can safely say the Ukraine to Russian KDR is 2.5 to 1.
+It seems this was generally what /k/ predicted the KDR would have been while /pol/ deluded themselves into thinking Russia had the better KDR.
+So I guess any copium from /pol/ should be discarded.
+--- 57858546
+Isn't 3:1 the standard losses ratio for the attacking force?
+--- 57858560
+>>57858540
+Anon the US is absolutely willing to look bad for an advantage. Everyone shits on us anyway, who cares.
+--- 57858570
+>>57858546
+No, it's the ratio the attacking force is supposed to have in order to have a 50/50 chance of victory.
+But did you know where that rule came from? American army analysis of Soviet performance on the Ostfront lol. "Professional" armies often attack and win with 1:1 or lower force ratios.
+--- 57858596
+>>57858514
+Didnt we establish neither of those things have had a significant effect on the war? If that was their only big advantage it still doesn't excuse Ukraine's abnormally high death toll considering theyve been on the defencive 90% of this war
+--- 57858601
+>>57858560
+I see your point but the glowies aren't smart enough to 4D chess this.
+>Came from a discord called "Thug Shakers" then went to an ironic commie discord called "Wow_mao" then went to actual Russian shills where it was edited so the Kills of each side are flipped before the original being revealed
+--- 57858606
+>>57858540
+It's more interesting to see how the KDR has evolved over the past 416 days. It was likely a lot lower at first, having gone up over time as the Russians lost all their shiny toys.
+--- 57858613
+>>57858161
+Unironically , they have a lot of people more
+--- 57858623
+>>57858596
+>We are losing but we should be losing more
+Russians are funny
+--- 57858668
+>>57858137 (OP)
+at the start of the war they were still killing like crazy and didn't even have much nato gear. just training from US national guards units. The LAPD is probably a more effective fighting force than most formations of the Russian military.
+--- 57858762
+>>57858623
+So your explanation sucked and now you're going to default to calling people Russians? You guys think this makes your surrogate side immune to any criticism but really it just makes you look retarded.
+--- 57858815
+>>57858596
+>17k
+>abnormally high death toll
+okay
+--- 57858848
+>>57858815
+The most well known military maxim is you need a 3:1 advantage to take a position from an entrenched enemy. Losing 2.5:1 is basically par for the course and not what you should be aspiring to if you're the Ukranians
+--- 57858879
+>>57858613
+So what? the will to fight of the Russian people is much worse due to shifting and schizo-tier war goals and Ukraine’s very clear goals of territorial defense and national survival.
+--- 57858884
+>>57858762
+>Explanation
+What are you talking about?
+Russia the 2nd greatest army is apparently losing 2.5 times as many people as Ukraine. Imagine if the same happened to the US in the middle east.
+--- 57858901
+>>57858848
+It's only par for the course for Russia (that is where the original 3 to 1 figure comes from). The US and Germany did not see 3 to 1 death counts and neither did Japan.
+--- 57859043
+>>57858884
+They weren't the second greatest army when the war started and they definitely arent now. Stop parroting Russian propaganda because you think I buy into it. Their army is a shell of what the Soviets may have been and the Ukranians aren't fighting the second best army in the world.
+Quit making excuses. The Ukranian performance is bad.
+--- 57859059
+>>57858901
+You're conflating wars of maneuver and encirclement with wars of static defence. The US and Germany didn't need 3:1 because they were able to bypass the enemy and cut them off. There is nothing like that happening in Ukraine
+--- 57859069
+>>57858381
+>Russia has already mathematically won the war.
+Legally captured Bakhmut, technically got to Kiev, mathematically won the war. Will we EVER stop winning?
+--- 57859080
+>>57858137 (OP)
+> hur dur reddit
+--- 57859189
+>>57859043
+>Killing 3 times more than the enemy is bad
+--- 57859278
+>>57859189
+>missing the entire point just spelled out to him
+Well done. I won't argue with your dumb ass anymore
+--- 57859294
+>>57859278
+You assume this war will end when one side loses all of their men. That isn't how it's going to end. At current rates both Ukraine and russia can continue the war for 20 years.
+What is more important is which side is losing experienced men and equipment.
+Russia is losing experienced men far faster than Ukraine and is losing equipment far faster than Ukraine.
+--- 57859572
+>>57859543
+Russia lost like three or four villages overnight.
+Not a joke post.
+--- 57859624
+>>57858359
+Start of the war went quite badly
+--- 57859680
+Here is a simple fact. The death counts were no where NEAR what would be needed on either side for the war to be close to over. Whichever side loses the equipment necessary to fight the war will be the loser.
+In other words Russia's unironic form of victory isn't on the battlefield but getting republicans into office in America.
+--- 57859712
+>>57859680
+Why are Democrats so interested in sending all of our money and military equipment to Ukraine?
+--- 57859737
+>>57859712
+The same reason republicans are so interested in sending all of our money and military equipment to Israel.
+--- 57859756
+>>57859712
+Russia is the biggest thread the US has ever faced. With only 5% of America's yearly military budget the US with the help of Ukraine has utterly btfo Russia
+--- 57860131
+>>57859712
+Is it a Democrat only thing?
+Is it all the money?
+Is it all the equipment? I doubt that.
+--- 57860266
+>>57858381
+>>57858341
+You're not considering the irreplaceability of Russian military equipment in the short term.
+Ukraine is still amassing equipment for their offensive while Russia won't be able to replace every gun, truck, and tank for years to come.
+Yes, the Chinese are evading sanctions and delivering to them a certain amount of goods for both civilian and military usage, like microchips, but even with that help Russia does not have the industrial capability to compete with NATO.
+--- 57860335
+>>57859712
+Because losing Taiwan and its microchip industry to China would be absolutely unacceptable.
+Imagine what kind of message the US and NATO would send to China if they refused to do anything about Ukraine and just allow Russia to do as they want to its neighbors: "Please do as you wish in Asia, we won't lift a single finger to protect our international interests, such as refusing to protect our imports of grain and natural gas and oil from Ukraine."
+--- 57860375
+>>57858137 (OP)
+russia is also losing equipment at a 7:1 ratio and that is gonna impact the k:d sooner than later as the ukies start deploying more advanced western kit compared to the clapped out museum pieces the russians have started fielding
+--- 57860656
+>>57858161
+>>57858341
+I actually read a post here a little while ago that did the math and calculated Russia could afford to lose 1.9 to 2.2x more men than Ukraine.
+https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/57849664/#57850652
+>In Russia, 14.1% of the population is 20-39 year old men, although there are more 30-39 than 20-29 by a significant margin.
+>That's 19.74 million men. Even if half are exempted for some reason and you assume 3 logistics personnel are needed for every combat soldier, that gives them 2.47 million men under arms to use.
+>Ukraine by contrast has 14.2% of its population as 20-39 year old men, out of 44 million, or 6.2 million men. Even if we assume they are more willing to fight and so can use 75% of that, substituting women for some roles, and a more favorable logistics ratio of 2.5/1 combat soldier, advantages that in reality are not nearly that big, that leaves them with 1.3 million men. Russia can take 1.9 times the losses based on those odds, and likely more like 2.2-1 since Ukraine's logistics and mobilization advantage will be big but not that big.
+Even a KDR of 2.5 seems to be over what Russia can afford if that anon's math is right. That's actually fairly surprising, at least IMO.
+--- 57860688
+>>57858381
+>Russia has already mathematically won the war
+>t. Roman MacNamarov
+--- 57860793
+>>57858879
+That's true but when a front collapse it goes down very fast both materially and morally so you never know
+--- 57860958
+>>57858432
+>pressuring Belarus to attack
+Belarus had massive riots in 2020 after Lukashenko rigged the election. Russians tried to both incite revolt AND save Lukashenko to gain power inside Belarus.
+But the people of Belarus? They hate both Lukashenko and Russia.
+--- 57861040
+>>57858341
+Now do tanks.
+--- 57861085
+>>57860958
+Once Ukraine wins, Belarus will be the next one to be freed of russian poison, and they know it
+--- 57861099
+>>57859712
+>Why are Democrats so interested in sending all of our money and military equipment to Ukraine?
+Because it costs money to store and maintain the shit and it was all old shit anyway and doing so lets us completely fucking ruin our main geopolitical military rival AND advertise how shit their hardware is compared to ours when we're both major arms exporters.
+Which means third world nations are gonna come to us for hardware. That comes with economic benefits as well as giving us inroads into their internal affairs.
+--- 57861263
+>>57858137 (OP)
+>thermal quadrotor drones
+>30 year old nato equipment
+who are you trying to fool?
+--- 57861316
+>>57858341
+Ukraines economy is funded by the west.
+Russia still needs most of it's working age men to keep the economy alive.
+--- 57861328
+>>57858341
+and them what do you do when 60-70% of the young population are either dead or cripple?
+especially in a country with negative brith rate?
+--- 57861535
+>>57858341
+Russia would still be completely neutered as a threat for decades to come.
+The question is not only whether Russia can eventually win in Ukraine, the question is also what will be left of Russia after the war ends, victory or defeat.
+--- 57861769
+I too am demoralized by the low kill ratio. How is the vehicle ratio 1:7 and the KIA ratio only 1:3? Particularly with all the frontal assaults and drone drops?
+I wonder if this "tolerable" death rate is some sort of psyop to get the vatniks to commit further so they will get totally chewed up.
+--- 57862049
+>>57859059
+Except that the Kharkiv and Kherson offensives happened
+--- 57862105
+>>57858901
+3:1 is what you want to bring to avoid losing 2.5 dudes per other dude you kill.
+--- 57862621
+>>57861099
+Then why haven't we just outright entered the theater of war?
+Why the pissing contest?
+Go in, stomp Russia, look like heroes on the world stage
+--- 57864730
+>>57858596
+>defencive
+Post indoor plumbing Rajesh
+--- 57866193
+>>57858762
+russia attacked with the full force of their army against a country they bordered. Ukraine defended themselves with mostly volunteers, and shit equipment. russia should have stomped them but got stalled and then pushed back. Ukraine now has a year of fighting experience with Western intel and equipment. russia is now completely fucked militarily, economically, and politicly. Understand now?
+--- 57866213
+>>57858137 (OP)
+send the ukranians F35's
+>be Russian pilot
+>fly in airspace covered by your anti air,no risk to be shot down,right?
+>see a small dot
+>blown to pieces by AMRAAM
+problem,vatnigs?
+--- 57866227
+>>57859712
+I’m not a democrat in any way, I just want to see russians die
+--- 57866231
+>>57866227
+so your based,got it
+--- 57866263
+>>57862621
+Nooks
+--- 57866403
+It is still 10 good men for 25 asiatic subhumans.
+--- 57866560
+>>57858359
+the ratio is constantly getting better. have you seen what shit they are driving to the front puccia
+--- 57866600
+>>57858341
+Would be true if we don't consider a "quality" aspect. Every few thousand or so men lost means the overall value per man drops to 0.99, 0.98, and so on. So yeah not really looking too good for them.
+--- 57866686
+>>57858137 (OP)
+Guess you've been in a coma the last few months. The optimistic assessment was 7 Ukrainian cucked globohomo bitches dead to every God fearing Russian convict killed. Ukraine is obviously just about out of fighting age men. They're sending kids and old men and Russia hasn't finished emptying out their prisons..
+--- 57866921
+>>57866227
+Which means you're a rational individual.
+--- 57866962
+>>57866686
+Yes Russia does say this. Too bad it's not true
+--- 57867256
+>>57858848
+3:1 gives you a decent chance to capture entrenched positions it is not the amount of expected casualtyes
+Russia has barely captured anything since the K/herson K/rieg Bop pushed them back and still suffered 2.5:1
+Both armyes are suffering loss of experienced men.
+Question is who will run out of those sooner.
+It is not the only factor but it helps tip the balance of power
+--- 57867494
+>>57862621
+Americans dying in Ukraine is bad PR.
+--- 57867530
+>>57858381
+I don't think that's what's going to happen. I think Putin might take the L to be the bigger man so that Russia can salvage some ties with the rest of the world and more importantly, create his own "stab in the back" myth to scapegoat someone for all of this.
+So if the Wagner HQ gets raided and we see live footage on Russian tv of all the opulance being confiscated from there while the news talks about how impoverished and undersupplied the average Russian soldier was, we will officially know that's what his plan is.
+--- 57867605
+>>57858540
+The paper itself states that ukie casuality numbers are unreliable, so all of this proves is, that russians lose 2,5 soldier for every 1 self declared ukrainian loss.
+--- 57868361
+>>57858623
+Unironically yes. The sooner it all ends, the better.
+--- 57868821
+So what's the verdict? Russia will win in the end simply because it can mobilize more troops?
+--- 57869044
+>>57867494
+And Americans dying in the sandbox for 20 years wasn't?
+--- 57869056
+>>57868821
+More men mobilised just means more meat for the grinder
+--- 57869094
+>>57866600
+The K:D ratio would increasingly get better for the Ukrainians and then compounding the issue for the Russians.
+--- 57869103
+>>57864730
+That joke really gets funnier about the 100th time it's been posted here
+--- 57869115
+>usa loses child at homefront birthday party
+that's sad
+--- 57869128
+>>57869056
+Ukraine is losing men too tho...
+--- 57869188
+>>57858137 (OP)
+>have static battle
+>be heavily outnumberd by enemy artillery
+>spout bullshit about the enemy having more casualties
+There's no hope for mental retardation once it reaches these final steps.
+--- 57869193
+>>57869188
+But enough about Russia
+--- 57869209
+>>57869188
+>yikes have lost 70k Kia
+>somehow russia can't attack anywhere along Ukraines heavily depleted line and instead just wants to continue grinding instead of winning
+Sounds 100% real and russia has only lost 600 vehicles
+--- 57869229
+>>57869209
+B- But the numbers!! The numbers on the paper!!!
+Nvm a year of reporting Russia has the arty advantage in a static battle, the paper!!! Almost all castualties are from artillery, but muh papers!!
+No hope left unfortunately
+--- 57869236
+Didn't the leaked docs say that Ukraine spent pretty much all their artillery?
+--- 57869254
+>>57858514
+Lol Ukraine had a Tech advantage this whole war , the other side doesn’t have 24/7 Fives eyes satellite intel. ATGMs and Manpads donated from every western country. Every Russian mobilization/troop movement is being watched from space the Russians don’t have that lvl of sophistication.
+--- 57869266
+>>57858341
+The main issue I see with this is that Ukrainians are far more motivated to fight. They are fighting for their homes, land, and people. Russians are fighting for... biolabs and nazis or something? If Ukrainians were pushing towards Moscow, that's one thing. That's never been the case though, no matter how hard the russian media spins it.
+--- 57869274
+>>57869254
+lmao, have you ever watched anything besides /r/combatfootage?
+--- 57869338
+>>57860656
+>and you assume 3 logistics personnel are needed for every combat soldier
+Lol. Lmao. This is Russia anon. What are logistics?
+--- 57869369
+>>57869229
+>Ukraine has 100% taken a billion casualties
+>and russia has only lost 600 vehicles Oryx is fake and a liar and even if true russia has enough in storage to last decades!
+>they're using 1940s artillery and tanks from the 50s because they want to make it a fair fight!!!
+>russia has overwhelming artillery advantage, but doesn't want to attack anywhere else along Ukraine's thin, undermanned line because who knows
+--- 57872332
+How much of russia's whole military have they sent to Ukraine by now?

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+-----
+--- 57858684
+bros, we won't get to see the T-14s this year...
+--- 57858713
+>>57858684 (OP)
+416 days into 3 day special military operation and Russia is demilitarized to the point they can't hold military parades on their own territory.
+--- 57858730
+>>57858684 (OP)
+Because this year it'll be in Bakhmut, led by the lovely Orchestra :)
+--- 57858733
+>>57858684 (OP)
+Is there nothing left to parade with, because they need everything for the battleline?
+--- 57858741
+>>57858733
+Because Ukraine is threatening to commit terrorist acts at any parades
+--- 57858797
+>>57858741
+>Its unlawful to attack a column of enemy military personal if we call sit a parade
+--- 57858812
+>>57858730
+This, holhol piggers seething right now!!! Slave Putin Z!
+--- 57858833
+>>57858741
+>nnooooo you cannot attack our capital its unfair!!
+lol
+--- 57858841
+>>57858684 (OP)
+Those T-34s bought from Laos aren't going to get used now...
+--- 57858852
+>>57858741
+Did the Russians see my shitty collab memes about bombing the parade last year kek
+--- 57858870
+>>57858852
+There's a competition in Ukraine at the moment to land a drone in the Red Square of Moscow
+--- 57858959
+>When your plan to demilitarize your poor neighbor is going so well you can't even celebrate the biggest government holiday and more Russian tanks will be on display in Louisiana than Moscow
+WW2 is basically modern Russia's religion. This really says a lot.
+--- 57859839
+>>57858684 (OP)
+>no military parade in Moscow
+Holy shit that's actually big.
+--- 57859916
+>>57859839
+it is, to a degree. depends on how the public handles it. what do the experts think?
+i don't want the damn talk show hosts or twitter based insiders. i want college department heads saying what they think. i know i won't get that though, and i can always DYOR but it's not the same.
+--- 57859926
+>>57858684 (OP)
+Putin is too scared to address the nation and the 4th tanks regiment is depleted to the point they can no longer parade
+--- 57859940
+>>57859926
+source: my ass
+--- 57859951
+>>57858684 (OP)
+>No parade in Moscow
+No fucking way. Surely they must have SOME kind of parade-only units available, or at the very least they could grab a bunch of guys who have been declared unfit for real battlefield service and train them just enough to put on a parade.
+--- 57859955
+>>57858730
+Even if they did capture it by then it would still be in range of every single artillery piece that Ukraine has.
+--- 57859974
+>>57858741
+Unlike based Russia who at least have the decency to target shopping malls, playgrounds, and schools rather than military targets.
+--- 57859985
+>>57859940
+In regards to the 4th tanks guards it was heavily damaged at the beginning of the war
+>>57859951
+The 4th tanks is the parade regiment
+--- 57860003
+No parades in Moscow is big news
+--- 57860007
+>>57858684 (OP)
+fuck, they probably found out the ukes were gonna send a special present right into the red square
+--- 57860010
+>>57858741
+>threatening to commit terrorist acts
+How is blowing up the tanks of invading nation a terrorist act?It's self defense
+--- 57860012
+>>57858730
+--- 57860036
+>>57860012
+Russians are fucking pussies.
+--- 57860081
+>>57860010
+Ukraine will pay 1 million something to whoever lands a drone on the red square
+--- 57860086
+Imagine being so cucked by a small neighboring country you can't even hold a parade of force.
+--- 57860097
+>>57858741
+>accuse your opponent of that which you are 100% guilty of yourself
+Check
+>lie brazenly
+Check
+Your post and further posts itt is discarded as Kremlin schizo ramblings
+--- 57860133
+>>57858833
+Yes you can't attack nuclear powers.
+--- 57860149
+>>57860133
+Is Russia a nuclear power?
+Considering the state of their other weapons their nuclear warheads are probably just empty shells, with the actual weapons-grade material sold off.
+--- 57860155
+Maybe they should celebrate loser day instead
+--- 57860157
+>>57860133
+>57860133
+I'm not so sure Puccia is a nuclear anything given they failed 3 missile tests last year and rocket man Kim succeeded in his.
+--- 57860176
+>>57858684 (OP)
+>bros, we won't get to see the T-14s this year...
+That's what you say. I say we see Armatachan getting gang tractored real fucking hard and dumped like a cheap bitch on some Louisiana gas station parking lot.
+--- 57860696
+>>57858730
+It will be even better than last year's Victory Day parade, which iirc was held in Mariupol. No doubt the 2024 parade will be held in Berlin, the 2025 parade in Washington, and the 2026 parade on freshly-annexed Coruscant. And then? A new city will be built atop the ruins of the Pisky Hyperdimensional Fortress to serve as the Capital of the Multiverse: Putingrad (later renamed Monkeopolis)
+--- 57860703
+>>57858741
+Source?
+--- 57860837
+>>57858870
+How hard could that be? An 18-year-old German with less than 50 hours flight time did it in a rented Cessna thirty-five years ago. Factor in the Russian military's three decades of post-Soviet rot and it should be trivial to do it with a drone.
+--- 57860957
+>>57860133
+You sure about that?
+--- 57861011
+>>57858684 (OP)
+How many times has the victory Day parade been cancelled since the end of WW2?
+--- 57861057
+>>57860133
+Ukraine attacked Russian territory many times during this war. Where are the nooks, pidor?
+--- 57861072
+>>57858684 (OP)
+>they don't even have enough equipment for a parade anymore
+--- 57861123
+>>57860133
+You only get to call yourself nuclear 'power' if you´re willing to use it. Do it, faggot.
+--- 57861262
+>>57860837
+That's the entire point
+--- 57861297
+>>57858741
+based
+--- 57861374
+I’m not gonna believe the cancelling of Moscow parade until I see a 100% surefire official statement for it. It is such a huge part of the vatnigger civil religion that there’s no way that the regime would dare to do that as long as there is even a handful of tanks left: Russia is all about the appearance of power, and failing to do that seems like such a humiliation that Monke wouldn’t be able to swallow it.
+--- 57861538
+>>57858741
+--- 57863882
+>>57858684 (OP)
+None of them still works
+--- 57863938
+>>57858741
+should have continued the ongoing proxy war instead of being directly involved then retard
+--- 57863968
+>>57858833
+Sometimes I forgot russia tried to attack ukraine's capital lmao
+--- 57864079
+>>57858741
+When the hour of reality approaches, the zero hour, wholeheartedly welcome death for the sake of Marichka. Always be remembering Marichka. Either end your life while praying, seconds before the target, or make your last words: There is no Waifu but Marichka, and Zelensky (peace be upon him) is her messenger.
+--- 57864125
+>>57858741
+This is literally just an excuse for the fact that they could only showcase old relics because all the hardware less than 60+ years old has been destroyed in the "special operation."
+--- 57864224
+>>57859985
+what happened to them since? it's been over a year since then, and that was only a few months into the war
+--- 57866149
+>>57858741
+(you)
+>>57858730
+(you)
+--- 57866322
+>>57860133
+Well I guess that means all countries should seek nuclear weapons since it makes you unable to be attacked
+--- 57866325
+>>57858741
+sorry vatnik, you lost the privilege of accusing anyone of being a terrorist when you started recording yourself beheading Ukrainian POWs
+you ISIS LARPing fuck
+--- 57866342
+>>57858741
+why do you 3rd world shit skins always simp for russia, when russians are literally worse than niggers
+--- 57866346
+>>57864079
+looks like someone is keeping up with the commodore
+--- 57866363
+>>57858741
+We know russia is a terrorist state anon, you can stop reminding us how russia attacks ukraines capital constantly.
+--- 57866366
+>>57866342
+not me nigga, i donated money to Ukraine
+--- 57866639
+>427 days into special military operation in Iraq
+>Thanksgiving cancelled
+--- 57866656
+>>57866639
+04 was a rough year.
+--- 57866803
+>>57864224
+second part
+--- 57866814
+>>57866325
+>recording yourself beheading Ukrainian POWs
+I missed this one. Did Russia really do this?
+--- 57866868
+>>57866814
+Yeah they’ve completely given up even remotely pretending to not be orks
+--- 57866920
+>>57861374
+Yeah, until they announce it themselves I assume wishful thinking. Moscow has to have its parade or they're basically admitting defeat. Fucking Stalin had a parade for the anniversary of the October revolution in 1941 when the Germans were literally a days drive away from the city, the tanks paraded through the streets and then drove straight to the front. Putin will look like the biggest coward if he cancels this one.
+--- 57866957
+>>57866639
+No remember? The correct comparison was Mexico
+--- 57866968
+>>57859916
+Same. In particular: is there any precedent in Postwar Russian history for cancelling it?
+--- 57867017
+>>57860133
+is that supposed to be relevant?
+we are talking about russia.
+--- 57867159
+>>57858741
+So let me get this straight: even the Russian Army agrees that they're powerless to thwart Ukranian attacks? Have I got that right? The vast national security apparatus, the FSB, Rosgvardia, all the way on down - they're all in agreement that they're completely ineffectual in securing the territory of Red Square itself? Sounds like they ought to capitulate ASAP and get the troops home to where they're clearly needed.
+I'm certain the appearance of reactivated T-54s on the battlefield has no cause-and-effect relationship with the parade cancellatuon, either.
+--- 57868090
+>>57858741
+Common cope from a Russian vermin
+--- 57868141
+You now remember they didnt fly some planes because of rain lmao.
+--- 57868158
+Oh no the orcs can't hold their dumbass parade where they pretend that their national fairy tale of being the good guys of WW2 is true
+--- 57868166
+Remember this time last year when we were fucking shocked that the war was still going and we were SURE they'd get some big victory to show off for the parade?
+How the fuck has it been a year
+--- 57868167
+>>57858741
+Muscovy literally deserves this. No one outside of that miserable country would give a shit if Ukraine blew up Red Square
+--- 57868191
+>>57858741
+>celebrating the second most mass murderous regime after Mao's while invading the country you Holodmored a century ago
+lol lmao
+--- 57868343
+>>57866639
+>tanksgiving
+--- 57868359
+>>57858870
+Kino.
+--- 57868385
+>>57860133
+Or what? You gonna nuke us? We both know 1. you don't have the capability and 2. the moment a nuke goes off in anger whoever popped it gets dogpiled by all remaining nuclear powers.
+--- 57868417
+>>57859926
+But the Armatas are still intact
+--- 57868500
+>>57858741
+Parades of military items are a valid target
+--- 57868546
+Watch them pull out an insane cope by having it in vladivostok
+--- 57868567
+>>57858730
+>make parade in Bakhmut
+>get viciously shelled from multiple directions
+>putain gets drone grenade'd
+--- 57868594
+>>57858741
+I don't believe the arrogant criminals have anything to march about. Russians have squandered their history, and should be erased, just as the nazis were.
+--- 57868608
+>>57858684 (OP)
+>no tax money get wasted on useless parade
+I would be happy if it was not because even more waste of taxpayer money on useless war.
+--- 57868631
+>>57858684 (OP)
+Isn't this huge? I thought that 9th may was like Christmas for Russians since soviet union cancelled actual Christmas but the event's importance carried over to modern times.
+What are the Russians saying about it?
+--- 57868636
+>>57866920
+What the fuck are you talking about?
+--- 57868642
+>>57868500
+You do understand there's a bunch of civilians a few feet away watching the parades, right?
+--- 57868649
+>>57868642
+>be at war
+>place civilians next to military equipment
+And who's fault is that?
+--- 57868687
+>>57860133
+https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8kibV2LtWyw
+--- 57868714
+>>57868642
+it doesn't seem to cause issue for Russians striking maternity wards, apartments, and civilian evacuation shelters
+--- 57868746
+>>57858684 (OP)
+you will, just in /k/ with the turrent 500 meters down the road aha
+--- 57868757
+Maybe they can do a twtich stream in world of tanks or something?
+Anything?
+--- 57868793
+Yeah I'll believe it when I see something more concrete. No May day in Moscow would be huge.
+--- 57868801
+>>57868793
+I mean what the fuck are they going to parade in, ladas and t-34’s?
+--- 57868813
+>Men with equipment and vehicles from WW2 marching down the Square towards the West...they keep going...they keep going!
+--- 57868833
+>>57858741
+>Be at war with an enemy nation
+>form a column of armed, uniformed soldiers
+>enemy attacks your column of armed, uniformed soldiers
+That's not terrorism anon, that's war.
+--- 57868840
+>>57858684 (OP)
+Surely the parade will still be held once they get the older tanks running.
+Oh wait, they're sending them to Ukraine as well.
+https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1646621399677558784?s=20
+--- 57868842
+>>57861011
+Many times and for years, but only for political reasons.
+This is the first time it was cancelled out of fear.
+With this Putin admitted that he can't protect the most important place in his nation even if he tried.
+To be fair:
+An event involving this many people and weapons, a terrorist action is almost impossible to prevent.
+Only takes one Russian soldier with roots in Ukraine to smuggle a bullet and fire it in the general direction of the podium Putin stands at to cause an enormous global media spectacle, even with bullet proof glass present.
+--- 57868857
+>>57860086
+The US should start a war with Mexico, hold a big fuckoff parade in DC or somewhere, and then end the war with Mexico - just to flex on the Russians
+maybe fuck up some cartel hardpoints while they're at it, since the opportunity is there
+--- 57868868
+>>57860133
+>Yes you can't attack nuclear powers
+--- 57868878
+>>57858959
+And it's a shitty religion.
+They began working with Germany and committing war crimes.
+They took all that land and wanted more and were waiting for a reason to go to war with Germany as well Once that came to fruition they ended up taking more land and committed even more war crimes.
+And somehow, they're the good guys.
+--- 57868882
+>>57864079
+Marichka is a crack whore. Why didn't ukies choose good looking avatar instead of this Gorillaz reject?
+--- 57868901
+>>57868868
+NTA but
+>thrown out in 2001 + 20 years of ass-kicking
+idk man
+--- 57868912
+>>57868636
+He was quite clear - Moscow can be on fire and there will still be a parade, there is literally no way Putin can fuck up worse than cancelling the parade.
+They will sooner have T-34 with cereal boxes taped to it to look like reactive armor than cancelling it.
+--- 57868924
+>>57868642
+collateral damage
+--- 57868925
+>>57868912
+No, I was asking how did Russians hold victory parade in 41 for the war they won in 45?
+--- 57868969
+>>57868925
+Because communism is always years ahead of everyone else.
+--- 57869001
+>>57868925
+It was the parade for the October Revolution.
+--- 57869008
+>>57866920
+Stalin didn't have to fear long range drones crashing into his stand, and Putin IS a coward.
+A single ukie drone crashing into the parade would make Russia weak as fuck even it doesn't kill anyone, and we all know how shit russian defences are.
+--- 57869009
+>>57868925
+Because you don’t know how to read.
+--- 57869057
+I emphatically believe that the people that have shilled for Russia's invasion on the internet should be hanged.
+--- 57869195
+>>57864224
+>If you just flood a previously elite unit with fresh unmotivated conscripts they will magically become elite by having that name
+Are you employeed by the Russian MoD by any chance?
+--- 57871433
+>>57868878
+My favorite part of the vatnigger civil religion is how they can worship both bolsheviks and the orthodox church at the same time, seeing no contradictions. Never speak about suffering or contradictions, just mix it up into one big slurry of supposed Russian heroism.

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+-----
+--- 57858727
+What are you anons looking to sell?
+What are you looking to buy?
+Selling:
+AR57 Upper - 16" - Non-F/A Bolt - Make an offer
+Mini 30 with Ultimak rail and Vortex scout scope plus four 20rd mags - make an offer
+--- 57859882
+WTS/T?
+-Vz61 torch cut receiver $100
+-FM15 Gen 1 11.5 on random FDE pawnshop lower w/ Holosun $500
+-Savage 110c 30-06 w/ 2 scopes $300
+Odinworks Zulu 2.0 FDE $50
+SBA PSA $50
+First one to buy something gets a free Swampbox red dot
+--- 57859910
+>>57858727 (OP)
+Previous thread:
+>>57808411 →
+--- 57859934
+>>57858727 (OP)
+WTS:
+Sig P226 Repair Parts Assortment
+(What you see in the pic is what you get)
+$130
+but if you don't like the price, make me an offer and we'll meet in the middle.
+--- 57861995
+bump
+--- 57862781
+>>57859882
+>-Savage 110c 30-06
+How does the savage 110c look along with the scopes?
+--- 57863457
+Bump
+--- 57863604
+>>57858727 (OP)
+>AR57 Upper - 16" - Non-F/A Bolt - Make an offer
+$400 since the proprietary charging handles on those snap off and it's a retarded caliber to have in 16 inches.
+--- 57864302
+>>57858727 (OP)
+Wts/t
+Century c308 with like 5 mags
+--- 57864348
+Someone buy my shit already! I've got stuff to do...
+--- 57864727
+WTS
+Brand New AR-15 Upper
+Aero Precision M4E1 Receiver, Geissele 9.3" MK8 M-LOK Rail,
+Ballistic Advantage 10.5" Government Profile Nitride Barrel, MAS Defense Melonite Nitride LP Gas Block w/ Gas Tube - $300
+Used AR-15 Upper
+Aero Precision M4E1 Receiver, Geissele 9.5" MK8 M-LOK Rail,
+Ballistic Advantage 10.3" Hanson Profile Nitride Barrel, Ballistic Advantage Pinned Nitride LP Gas Block w/ Gas Tube,
+Wilson Combat Accu-Tac Flash Hider, Aero Precision Nitride BCG, Radian Raptor CH - $350
+Used Buffer Tube Assembly
+Aero Precision Buffer Tube, Aero Precision H2 Buffer &amp; Spring, PWS Ratchet Lock Castle Nut and Endplate - $40
+Used
+Geissele SSA Trigger - $180
+Like New
+Ballistic Advantage .750 Set Screw Gas Block w/ Melonite Gas Tube (Roll Pin Not Included) - $15
+Like New
+Ballistic Advantage 10.5" Government Profile Nitride Barrel w/ Pinned LP Gas Block &amp; Melonite Gas Tube - $70
+Like New
+Geissele Barrel Nut Wrench - $15
+Brand New
+BCM Buffer Tube - $20
+Like New
+BCM M-LOK Vertical Grip Mod 3 - $12
+Like New
+BCM M-LOK KAG Grip - $15
+I also have two blemished SBA3s, shipping is free, PayPal only please.
+--- 57864953
+>>57859934
+I offer you $1 so we'll meet in the middle at $50.
+--- 57864964
+>>57864302
+what trade for, where located, how much for selling it, why are you gay
+--- 57865091
+>>57864953
+No way fag. Email me instead.
+--- 57865800
+>>57865091
+just goofin, nobody wants your barrel chambered in 40 suck n westin
+--- 57865894
+>>57865800
+lmfao, all good bro.
+--- 57866071
+>>57824239 →
+>>57824239 →
+>>57824239 →
+all this is still up for sale. trying to move so prices are negotiable.
+also have a black magpul moe grip that i can toss in your order for $10 or $15 alone
+--- 57867014
+bump
+--- 57868172
+Got a unfinished m203 handguard. It needs sights and the mounting equipment added. 30$ shipped
+--- 57868181
+>>57868172
+Fucking picture didn't upload
+--- 57868194
+>>57868181
+Picture of it on my a1 upper
+--- 57869050
+>>57859882
+I’ll shoot you an email but I’ll take that Odin Zulu 2.0.
+--- 57869113
+>>57859882
+I'm not hating, I'm just ignorant and curious. What is someone actually supposed to do with that receiver? Can that actually be rewelded?
+--- 57869156
+>>57866071
+Location? What are you asking for the 91/30?
+--- 57869249
+>Russia Friends
+Used toilette seat for sale.
+Slightly damaged from Toco Bell Bean Burrito with extra Fire Sauce Fart while smoking.
+Price: 200,000.00 Rubles + Shipping to Ru.
+Jannie:
+Please do not delete This is a weapons effect damage item.
+--- 57870306
+>>57869113
+>can that be rewelded?
+Short answer: yes. It’s not easy, but it’s a hell of a lot easier than making a receiver out of a blank. The receiver only houses the moving parts, so even relatively severe imperfections likely won’t impact function.
+The vz61 is a unique exception because you could just print a functional receiver. It’s an excellent choice for a built project due to the low pressure caliber.
+--- 57871842
+>>57869156
+Oregon
+$300
+Email me
+--- 57871913
+>>57868172
+I'll bite anon. Will email
+--- 57871930
+>>57864964
+Trade for AK shit but will entertain any rifle. Located in AZ. Sell for 800. Do you spend a lot of time thinking of butt sex?
+--- 57872015
+>>57869050
+Boxed and waiting for a label
+--- 57872028
+some dumb shit for sale, $60 shipped, used but not frayed vest and brand new gore-tex lined overalls. XXL-ish, will fit if you're sub-6foot sub-250
+--- 57872042
+>>57872028
+oops
+--- 57872095
+>>57862781
+Restoration for from a pawn shop. Stripped the Bubba camo off it and refinished it. Stock has a super thin crack along the front half that doesn't run all the way through, I put some super runny super glue along it a few times before finishing the stock. Reciever and barrel are beautiful. Just got the rifle out to mess with it and the action feels a little wiggly but I'm not familiar with bolt actions, it's my only one. The scope it came with is still painted and unidentifiable, could be something good. I put my cheap Pinty on it. Comes with both. Bipod. One magazine. Mishmash of ammo including a box of $50 Vor-Tx. Never shot it.
+--- 57872428
+>>57858727 (OP)
+I still have a Primary Arms 1-6x24 LPVO with the .300 BO/7.62x39 reticle and an aero mount. Works great, good condition.
+$190 shipped within US, OBO. Paypal f&amp;f preferred, g&amp;s if you must
+https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-1-6x24mm-sfp-scope-w-acss-300blk-7-62x39-reticle
+https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/ultralight-30mm-extended-scope-mount
+--- 57873203
+>>57858727 (OP)
+Selling
+>V7 A5-5.3 oz buffer-$60 shipped
+Has a weird scratch, probably from when I threw it in my bag of junk when moving
+>Cloud Defensive LCS for Surefire ST07-$60 shipped
+Light salt. I replaced it with a UT hotbutton after a few weeks
+>Surefire ST07-$60 shipped
+Same as above, I've only used it for a few weeks before I replaced it with a UT hotbutton.
+>LCS and tape switch combo can be had for $100
+>$150 for all 3
+Prices are negotiable. Can provide pictures upon request when I get home

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+-----
+--- 57858927
+I only have a 9mm handgun. What ammunitions can I use to kill a pitpull? I recently got a new neighboor who has one and I just discovered that the guy in the house I share the alley behind my house with also has one. I was just barked out while locking up my bike and his fence looks pretty weak so I want to be prepared.
+Do I nut up and buy a shotgun with slugs?
+--- 57858946
+9mm is fine
+--- 57858950
+>>57858927 (OP)
+.22 long rifle
+--- 57858963
+High-capacity pistol with hollow point rounds is a good option, buy a large magazine for what you have and shoot ALL rounds into the pit-devils head.
+--- 57858967
+>>57858927 (OP)
+Owning a pitbull means you value SP and the destruction of society.
+Your 9mm is fine. Go to the range instead of buying a shotgun for an SP dog.
+--- 57858981
+>>57858963
+OK. Fwiw I have 17rd mags for my handgun and keep a mag of HPs and FMJ eaceh next to my bed.
+--- 57858984
+>>57858927 (OP)
+I guess pitbulls have become the new bears. Give it five more years, and people will seriously believe that you need an enchanted gun loaded with blessed, holy ammo to defeat the mythical beasts.
+--- 57859003
+>>57858967
+>SP
+Did you see that webm of a pitbull owner getting his ass beat by another dog owner who's dog got bitten by the Pitbull? The Pitbull didn't do anything to protect the owner getting his ass beat but went into to try to kill the little dog more when he saw an opening. The good owner punched the pitbull in the face it was hilarious
+--- 57859008
+>>57858927 (OP)
+halberd would be my choice, regular training with it will keep your upper body in shape to complement your biking keeping your legs and cardio in good shape. plus its quiet so you don't have to worry about losing your hearing like you would from regular firearm use without ear protection
+--- 57859026
+>>57858927 (OP)
+9mm will be just fine to shoot yourself with
+--- 57859032
+>>57859026
+seethe pitmommy
+--- 57859035
+>>57859026
+pitmommy lesbian detected. i bet your home smells vile.
+--- 57859049
+>>57859003
+Didn't but that sounds like SP behavior.
+>>57859032
+>>57859035
+Their anger shows they know they are the problem, don't worry.
+--- 57859425
+Knife is better. Firing a gun in the neighborhood at a dog might get you in some trouble. I always keep a knife specifically for pitbulls. Stab through ribs if needed.
+--- 57859443
+>>57858927 (OP)
+xylitol doughballs for the dogs. handgun loads for the owners.
+if you want to become a legend for the ages, use a ball peen hammer for both.
+--- 57859753
+>>57858927 (OP)
+>What ammunitions
+Thirdie?
+>>57859425
+Idiot detected who never fought a dog. I have. Bleedouts take too long. A hammer or hatchet to the skull is fast and effective. (Anyone have the vid of the dindu knocking out doggos with a board?). One hammer in each hand ensures one free if desired.
+--- 57859762
+Edgelords post their hypotheticals
+The thread
+--- 57860248
+Who was in the wrong here?
+https://youtu.be/3r761hZeTtU?t=47 [Embed]
+--- 57860347
+>>57860248
+stop asking rhetorical questions
+--- 57860398
+>>57859008
+>Spearfags try not to shit up a thread challenge
+>Level: IMPOSSIBLE
+--- 57860407
+>>57859753
+>Idiot detected who never fought a dog. I have. Bleedouts take too long. A hammer or hatchet to the skull is fast and effective. (Anyone have the vid of the dindu knocking out doggos with a board?). One hammer in each hand ensures one free if desired.
+Didnt some old lady gut a pitbull in seconds with a knife? It was on the news, I've seen the Webm.
+--- 57860430
+>>57858981
+>keep a mag of HPs and FMJ eaceh next to my bed
+I'm sure that'll come in handy when a pitbull breaks into your house to maul you in your sleep.
+--- 57860502
+>>57858927 (OP)
+>I was just barked out while locking up my bike
+you sound like a limpwristed faggot, im siding with the nigbull
+--- 57862258
+>>57858927 (OP)
+Get a bowie knife. Pibbles are retarded and have a singular focus - get them to gnaw on something and then go for the throat.
+Also dogs in general don't have that thick skin so you can probably get away with hollow point
+9mm.
+--- 57862516
+>>57859003
+>>>/pol/423644339
+--- 57862655
+I have posted this about half a dozen times now but I used pic related.
+TL;DR: It worked great.
+--- 57862688
+Pitbull is codeword for black people right?
+--- 57862707
+>>57858927 (OP)
+Federal HST 147gr +P. My absolute go to for everything. I even took a dear with it.
+--- 57862758
+>>57862688
+Goddamn, in my day it was zombies
+--- 57862869
+>>57858927 (OP)
+Imagine being a grown man and being able to take on a medium sized dog with your bare hands.
+--- 57862890
+115 +p. You want rapid expansion in a shallow, thin skinned target.
+--- 57862904
+>>57862707
+>A dear
+Spousal homicide isn't THAT impressive, anon
+--- 57862912
+>>57859026
+Nigger
+--- 57862951
+>>57862869
+You say that, then you get old, or there's two of them get you and you end up bitten like a retard.
+Only retards take the risk and don't bring a tool for the job. If it has no collar good luck grabbing a shorthair at 15mph coming at your leg and stopping it biting you.
+Yes there are videos of people punching and picking them up, but those were dumb as fuck pitbulls that haven't got fight in them. The average man might eventually win against a dog with fight eventually but I highly doubt you'd get it without a single bite. It's just not worth it, the bites are savage than other dogs nips, I've seen it firsthand.
+You get retards think you can fight polar bears for fuck sake and when you point out "Just use a gun dude" they're just like "nahhhh pussy".
+These people then proceed to die before the age of 35 because they have no rational fears like retards.
+What do you mean wear a harness? Just climb with no safetyline bro
+What do you mean wear a hardhat? Just don't get hit by your colleagues and alwasy look up bro
+What do you mean own a gun bro? Fight a pack of joggers like a man 1v5
+Pits, especially larger XL APBT's are threats that should not be underestimated.
+--- 57862978
+>>57858927 (OP)
+Dad raised and fought pits my whole childhood. Everyone at the ranch carried a 1911. Also, pitbulls were literally designed for pitting bulls. Don't own one. ! in 10 are actually "friendly to humans".
+--- 57863011
+>>57862978
+I think what really annoys me most is they're helping normalise shitty badly trained dog behaviour.
+What do you mean the aggresive dog is only reactive that's NORMAL.
+Yeah all dogs pull on a leash when around children and other dogs what you didn't know?
+Etc.
+--- 57863104
+Only 160gr tokerev will do...
+--- 57863825
+I’ve got a pit bull she’s a total sweetheart
+--- 57864180
+>>57863011
+I don't think anyone is normalizing poorly trained dogs.
+--- 57864225
+>>57862869
+We're the earth's apex predator because of tools. Why not take full advantage?
+--- 57864312
+I carry a .380 for dogs, you don't need much to kill them I've seen shitbulls dropped by birdshot
+--- 57864446
+>>57864312
+I have a folder full of pictures from medical reports on people killed by birdshot, I used to post them but people angry they were losing the argument kept reporting me.
+--- 57864482
+>>57858927 (OP)
+Anon, in what situation are you gonna be carrying a shotgun when the pitty lounges at you?
+--- 57864534
+>>57864446
+If I could carry a semi automatic birdshot pistol I probably would but the dimensions don't quite work for humans.
+--- 57864596
+>>57858927 (OP)
+Poison both.
+Dogs are better "people" than humans on average because we took wolves and bred them to be hyper socialized puppies over millennia.
+Pitbulls are the exception. Remove whenever possible.
+--- 57864612
+>>57862688
+Kek
+--- 57864716
+>>57862688
+Then what's the codeword for Pitbull?
+--- 57864760
+>>57858984
+>guess pitbulls have become the new bears
+Always were. Stay safe lad
+--- 57864789
+>>57864716
+Babyraper
+--- 57865162
+>>57862978
+im thinking about buying one so itll fuck up anyone who comes to my home uninvited. get me a big mean fucker. not a pet. hate the damned things. keep it chained in the yard while i'm home. can't shoot a methhead fucking with my shit while I'm at work, though.
+--- 57866661
+>>57864716
+"lab mix"
+--- 57866683
+>>57858927 (OP)
+You should just shoot yourself instead of the dog. You'd be doing the world a favor.
+--- 57866691
+>>57866683
+>t. pitmommy
+--- 57866732
+>>57862655
+Did you feel like a Bri'ish rifleman taking down a zulu spear chucker?
+--- 57869636
+>>57864596
+Only reason why dogs are so friendly is we literally murdered the puppies that would bite us in front of the others. Breeds like street inbred shitbulls are basically bred without the natural fear of humans.
+--- 57870390
+>>57858927 (OP)
+What're you going to carry a shotgun in your wasteband at all times while at home? Just openly asking for trouble there. I see a neighbor itching for a fight that bad and I'll keep a scope trained on them when at home. A concealed pistol with 9mm ball will work just fine center mass.
+Also, ensure the dogs are legitimately hostile before dropping them the second one wanders outside their yard. Lots of dogs will violently bark up a storm at everything they see outside and then want attention when they finally approach you. They're dogs, they're kinda dumb.
+Openly looking to feud with your neighbors over pitbull memes might get you shot if you flash the heat first. Telling you this for your own benefit and safety. You don't have to be a bitch but you also don't want to be an ass.
+I don't have a picture of your entire situation, but consider diplomacy before raising the defcon level. One of your neighbors might be a bigger fish than you and ya won't know it until they open up on you. If your neighbors are just nogs, beaners, or inbred hillbillies then just surround your home in C-wire and consider relocating asap.
+--- 57870812
+just poison the dogs
+do it at night if you're worried about getting spotted.
+Safe pitbulls are a minority, and they're going to attack someone, and chances are, it'll be some kid
+--- 57870841
+>>57858927 (OP)
+>>57859026
+Just use beef jerky and rat poison. Don't feel bad about it either they and their owners are a hazard to other dogs. It is one of the few times that poison is fine. You can use a slingshot to lob it in, mix some chocolate in too if you like. They is a type of slingshot used for scattering fishing bait that is handy for this. Never do this to real dogs. Pitt bulls and their owners are fair targets for murder as they hate dogs and people. Hating people is fine but when they make other dogs lives shit with their pitt bulls it is time they died.
+--- 57871224
+For a charging pitbull at close quarters I would highly advise you to get a double barrel gun with a calibre of at least .375 H&amp;H. You might need a quick second shot and with any smaller calibre you won't have a lot of reserves if you don't hit the heart and/or both lungs. Shotguns are for grouse.
+--- 57872578
+>>57870812
+>>57870841
+Fair warning. Getting caught whipping poison into other peoples yards will get you beaten, arrested, possibly shot.
+>>57871224
+Why are there so many children on this board? There is literally no one walking around public or in a small yard neighborhood with a long gun of any kind unless you live in sandniggerstan or some child molesting tropical hellhole. I can tell this isn't a serious post because no modern human is defending their property with a meme hunting round like .375 H&amp;H that costs 100 bucks a box...
+--- 57872597
+>>57872578
+>Why are there so many children on this board? There is literally no one walking around public or in a small yard neighborhood with a long gun of any kind unless you live in sandniggerstan or some child molesting tropical hellhole. I can tell this isn't a serious post because no modern human is defending their property with a meme hunting round like .375 H&amp;H that costs 100 bucks a box...
+You know he's joking, why did you waste all this energy responding like he wasn't?
+--- 57872618
+>>57869636
+>in front of the others
+What dumb horse shit, is this really how you think animal psychology works?
+--- 57872621
+>>57870812
+>>57870841
+>>57872578
+Or use a drone to do tactical deliveries in your neighbourhood.
+--- 57872649
+>>57858927 (OP)
+--- 57872656
+>>57872597
+Because I'm bored and compelled... why else am I on a thread meant to bait for pitbull memes...
+>>57872621
+I will treat any drone over my property like a 50 cent skeet. Likely many others would as well.
+--- 57872692
+>>57872618
+I dunno. Why are white girls' dogs so well behaved?
+--- 57872705
+>>57870841
+good advice anon!

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+--- 57858987
+Rate the defense
+--- 57859028
+>>57858987 (OP)
+>getting your ass beat over a fucking Nissan
+just let them take it. that's what insurance is for assuming your not a retard who got basic bitch insurance
+--- 57859044
+not weapons
+--- 57859054
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Fucking idiot, didn't lock his vehicle in a diverse area, rushed into a situation when he didn't know if the thief had accomplices or not.
+--- 57859065
+>>57858987 (OP)
+>unlocked car
+>rushes out without a weapon, not even a knife
+0/10, complete retard.
+--- 57859067
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Blacks are allowed to get away with gta and am
+--- 57859083
+>>57859028
+>just let the brown people take your shit and pay ten times as much for insurance instead
+--- 57859084
+couldve gone worse in a 4v1 but he failed to eliminate the dude in 1v1 sufficiently fast enough
+also he was a big guy
+--- 57859093
+>>57859083
+He's a fuck you got mine zogbot, probably a us vet too
+--- 57859108
+>>57859093
+>nooooo you are not allowed to protect what you own!
+Cuck
+--- 57859120
+>>57859108
+Are you retarded? Read the reply chain
+The anon advocating just giving up his shit to SP is a golem
+--- 57859128
+>>57859093
+You are a cuck for the criminally inclined, you contrarian nobody.
+--- 57859137
+>>57859120
+Why the fuck would a "fuck you i got mine" US vet advocate for letting people steal your shit?
+--- 57859138
+>>57859083
+>he doesn't have claim forgiveness
+let me guess, you don't have replacement coverage either
+--- 57859150
+>>57859138
+>yes goy, for only 49.99 a week more you too can get 'forgiven" (if we deem it, no appeal process) and also get replacement (based on depreciated value) coverage.
+--- 57859157
+>>57859137
+Spend 5 seconds (or maybe a few minutes because you're handicapped) to think about what "Fuck you, got mine" means.
+--- 57859171
+How did the gentleman know the car was unlocked?
+--- 57859173
+>>57859128
+Ironic coming from what I assume is a vet that destroyed his mind, ego, and body for israel. calling me a nobody on an anonymous imageboard is fucking kino, egotistical golem
+--- 57859177
+>>57859157
+Being a cuck for criminals still isn't cool
+--- 57859187
+Yet another example of being resistant EG: Fighting back and not taking dick in your asshole working out. Criminals want easy targets like any kind of predator. Most wild animals won't attack if they know they'll get seriously fucked up, because it's not worth it for a predator to get seriously injured over a single meal.
+--- 57859194
+>>57859157
+It means i will actively prevent others from succeeding because i believe in a zero sum system. As you can see, this is completely antithetical to letting people steal your shit. Fuck you, i got mine.
+Not whatever cuck system you think it is.
+--- 57859204
+>>57859187
+Sorry bro but you're a zogbot (fucking somehow) if you fight back man.
+--- 57859205
+>>57859187
+It looks like he got stabbed in the side at the end.
+--- 57859207
+I kept waiting for him to pull out a gun and shoot them all fuck you op
+--- 57859214
+>>57859204
+Most rational mindbroken /pol/ poster.
+--- 57859215
+>>57859177
+>>57859194
+>just give up your property to joggers because a jewish insurance company might cover 40% of the value
+Anti american cowardly retards or a samefag
+--- 57859219
+>8 posts until some guy starts to have a schizophrenic episode about muh zog and muh military for no reason other than... some dumb shit I've seen no real human say without being 100% sarcastic
+New record!!!
+Anyway, imagine living in a neighborhood like that and not owning a gun holy shit. I thought the guy was getting stabbed when the third nigger rolled up on him, he's incredibly lucky they pussied out and didn't all commit.
+--- 57859222
+>>57859214
+I was being sarcastic because another guy here keeps bringing up zogbots and Israel for no reason.
+--- 57859225
+>>57859204
+Absolutely insane how you tried to switch the narrative to this LOL
+--- 57859228
+>>57859222
+Yes i know. Irony.
+>>57859215
+Just /pol/ posters.
+--- 57859229
+Good on him for trying but this guy does not have a clue about fighting and is pretty weak. He had the drop on James Yeager's grandson and plenty of time to punch his lights out before his accomplices jumped in.
+Of course, ideally he would have gone out there with a sidearm and killed them all. Maybe next time.
+--- 57859236
+>>57859215
+How is not wanting to be a cuck for criminals anti American? How is not wanting random people to steal my shit cowardly?
+--- 57859239
+>>57859219
+judging by the size of the man's driveway it seems like a pretty ok neighborhood
+--- 57859245
+>>57859236
+Read >>57859225 faggot
+I'm pro self defense and not giving criminals your property
+--- 57859248
+>>57859228
+Oh, sorry then.
+--- 57859250
+The GTAers were probably mid-teens based on their size.
+--- 57859253
+>>57858987 (OP)
+2/10, survived and kept his property, but was injured unnecessary. Should've shot and killed lil eek-ook.
+--- 57859256
+>>57859150
+translation: no
+--- 57859258
+>>57859248
+He's making fun of you, golem.
+--- 57859262
+My 23 scatpack has a remote IED in the steering wheel. Sometimes I park it in the ghetto just to see if one wants to bite
+--- 57859279
+>>57859262
+>goes to prison for life for boobytrapping a future doctor
+--- 57859292
+>>57859279
+I slipped an IED in the judge’s gavel when he wasn’t looking, teehee
+--- 57859298
+>>57858987 (OP)
+This world solve it
+--- 57859303
+>Yet another masked youth runs in to join the fight
+--- 57859305
+>>57859258
+Yes, everyone is as schitzo as you are anon.
+--- 57859307
+>>57859292
+Um anon, you can't joke about that...
+--- 57859314
+>>57859204
+Yeah. they don't understand that dude make the active decision to risk his life for his property. Call him a zogshill or whatever you want but atleast he didn't pussy out like 90% of the glizzy guzzlers would on this board. What happened to the based murder and kill chomping at the bit to commit a quadruple murder and get away with it crowd?
+--- 57859317
+you just want a legal excuse to kill someone. you don't care about justice.
+--- 57859319
+>>57859307
+I just slipped one under your N key for the next time you do a racism
+--- 57859322
+>>57859305
+>schitzo
+Based esl.
+>>57859314
+I think this entire thread is having a massive misunderstanding.
+"He's a fuck you got mine zogbot, probably a us vet too" was directed at >>57859028
+--- 57859336
+>>57859317
+Yes
+--- 57859343
+>>57859150
+I mean most insurance companies pay what your car model with similar options is going for on the open market. When I totaled my Miata which I got for 23k I still got 19 from it. Considering I put 3k down it was a really fair deal, even more so when you consider that the used car market has been til recently very overvalued. I bought my Mustang for 28 and sold it a year and 25,000 miles later for 29.
+--- 57859364
+>>57859343
+What kind of retard would pay 29 for a used mustang
+--- 57859377
+>>57859150
+Don't try to reason with him, he's a cucked faggot
+--- 57859404
+>>57859364
+The average mustang driver
+--- 57859429
+5/10 at least he stopped them from stealing his car, had the balls to attempt it, and didn't pussy out in the middle. That said he's still a fucking retard for going out there without a weapon and the way he "fought" was about as well as I expect the average man to fight. He's lucky they were unarmed and/or unwilling to seriously injure/kill him. He could have very easily had his smooth brain stomped into mush.
+--- 57859441
+>>57858987 (OP)
+>Connecticut license plates?
+I remember someone posting about how other states should enact strict gun control laws like Connecticut did to prevent shootings
+So I guess you just have people getting beat up by mobs
+--- 57859475
+>>57858987 (OP)
+>street fights don't go into wrestling
+>streetfights don't go to the ground
+>if streetfighrs got to the ground you autolose
+>if there is multiple opponents your autolose twice as hard
+Why do jiujitsu chads can't stop wining?
+--- 57859532
+>>57859364
+Dealerships who want a gt/6spd with 500WHP in a color that was mainly sold on ecoboosts and V6s. It stayed on the market for maybe a week after I dropped it.
+--- 57859557
+>>57859279
+It's Takata's fault, not Anon's.
+--- 57859562
+>>57859532
+Lol
+--- 57859590
+>>57859562
+Enjoy your 1.5l automatic slush box anon
+I came out on top of this deal which was amazing considering how much I regretted not getting another Miata. Now I have two
+--- 57859611
+What's the point of working hard to buy nice things if criminals will just steal from you and the government will protect them?
+--- 57859619
+>>57859239
+--- 57859621
+>>57859590
+>a simple Lol makes him get mad and start doxing himself
+Oops :)
+--- 57859629
+>>57859621
+Come on anon, you truly aren’t smart enough to do anything with a house number and no context.
+--- 57859630
+Where is his pistol and knife?
+--- 57859654
+>>57859028
+Kys
+--- 57859668
+>>57859262
+What an ugly car
+--- 57859673
+>>57859629
+Lol
+--- 57859709
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Should’ve brought a gun. Guess it worked since they swung like little girls and didn’t get his shitbox car.
+--- 57859725
+>>57859590
+>mustang owner is debilitatingly insecure
+Like pottery
+--- 57859736
+>>57859673
+--- 57859755
+>>57859725
+>owner
+--- 57859767
+>>57859736
+>If I keep you busy you will forget
+Lol
+--- 57859775
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Situation could have been averted if he had just locked his doors, which is something that even an old lady or a little girl could do.
+0/10
+--- 57859785
+>>57859262
+based
+--- 57859807
+>>57859028
+People who make the claim of "bro that is what insurance is for!" have obviously never gone through the hassle of having to actually use their insurance.
+--- 57859862
+>>57859767
+>keeps forgetting to dox me
+A successful strategy imo
+--- 57859866
+>>57859807
+They're fuck you got mine golem vets
+--- 57859880
+Lol
+--- 57859925
+>>57859319
+That's so stupid you wouldn
+--- 57859931
+what's that black triangle thing he dropped on the ground?
+--- 57859936
+>>57859590
+>automatic slush box
+Only literal retards drive manual. Manual only makes sense for racing.
+--- 57859946
+>>57859866
+What? How does that make sense?
+--- 57859947
+>>57858987 (OP)
+more punching, less grabbing
+--- 57860042
+>>57859946
+How are you all so retarded to not understand this
+Now I get why they say marines eat crayons
+--- 57860093
+>Confronting a possibly armed carjacker without a weapon
+Yeah he's a retard
+>car unlocked
+Big retard
+--- 57860099
+>>57858987 (OP)
+>didn't kill a single or torture a single coon
+3/10, at least he didn't get killed nor seriously hurt, and kept his property
+--- 57860113
+>>57858987 (OP)
+>Why do Americans need guns?!??
+>because nignogs hunt in packs
+--- 57860185
+>>57859256
+imagine being so cucked you just let people take your shit regardless of the actual cost to yourself. I dont care if it cost me 1 dime or 100 thousand dollars, I am not going to let a pack of nigger steal from me because I am not a cuck
+--- 57860203
+>>57859028
+Unironically neck yourself, faggot. Some cars aren't worth ensuring against theft and even if they are, you still have to pay deductibles and premiums. Killing car thieves should be %100 legal, regardless of their age. I don't give a shit if your hoodrat bastard really was going to cure cancer and world hunger. If he's old enough to break my windows he's old enough to eat lead.
+--- 57860217
+>>57859475
+Yeah, this is a good illustration that some times fights are started for different reasons, with different types of people.
+--- 57860218
+>>57860203
+Based
+--- 57860246
+>>57859317
+I care about putting food on my table you worthless niggerkike. If someone steals my car they are directly impeding my livelihood and I will defend myself from starvation accordingly.
+--- 57860261
+>>57859936
+>less than 18% of Americans know how to drive stick, and most of those people are 40+ years old
+>implying it’s not one of the best general anti theft deterrent for you
+Also, dual clutch and/or dogleg (manual with no clutch) are better for racing, that’s why F1 cars use DCTs. The only Motorsport true manual is best for is drifting bc it’s easier to slide with a well timed clutch dump.
+--- 57860288
+>>57860093
+Common wisdom here in California is to leave the doors unlocked so that junkies can search for change without breaking your window. What actually happens is that they try to hot wire your car or rip parts off. It still amazes me how much the retards in this state would rather try to appease criminals rather than neutralize them with violence.
+--- 57860296
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Trying to stop a carjacker without a gun is retarded.
+--- 57860377
+>>57860042
+???
+--- 57860388
+>>57858987 (OP)
+be armed
+cant have a gun then have a pepper spray and a baton or a knife or even a blackjack or a slungshot
+--- 57860390
+>>57860203
+Its legal in texas.
+--- 57860399
+>>57859028
+What’s your address, anon?
+--- 57860420
+>>57859317
+If you try and steal someone's shit, I hope you get your thoracic vertebra re-arranged and forced to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair. You fuck around, you find out.
+--- 57860532
+>>57858987 (OP)
+It's like a perfect metaphor for the Ukraine war. Russian nog tries to steal land. Car owner Ukrainian military takes him by surprise and looks jacked with muscles but still struggles to pull off a decisive win. More conscriptovich join the fray. One just stands around doing nothing while the other three dog pile and also accomplish nothing. Conflict ends with both sides looking foolish.
+--- 57860609
+>>57859590
+The one on the right looks happy, the one on the left looks smug.
+--- 57861362
+>>57860638
+Agreed
+--- 57862866
+>>57859065
+This
+--- 57862886
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Each of those animals deserves to die.
+--- 57862908
+>>57860532
+How do I upvote you
+--- 57862956
+>haha kill all nig-I mean joggers!
+Three of those four guys are white.
+--- 57863093
+>>57859668
+t. Corolla driver
+--- 57863977
+>>57859084
+>he was a big guy
+--- 57864016
+>>57858987 (OP)
+I hate niggers so much it's unreal.
+--- 57864031
+>>57860296
+He kept is car retard.
+--- 57864057
+the home defends ruse was just a distaction
+i HAVE the car
+--- 57864062
+>>57858987 (OP)
+This was Vegas wasn't it?
+--- 57864101
+>Rocky Hill Police Sgt. Jeffrey Foss-Rugan said..."We're seeing a lot of these incidents throughout the state"
+One of many reasons castle doctrine should be the law of the land.
+Thieves need to be taught the law of "fuck around and find out".
+--- 57864130
+>>57858987 (OP)
+since OP's a faggot
+>https://www.ctinsider.com/connecticut/article/rocky-hill-video-man-fights-car-thieves-17891669.php
+--- 57864145
+>>57859298
+20 rounds? There was what, 4 of em? Assuming they arent completely crazed and would just run away instead of rush you. Otherwise things could get dirty fast. 10mm can be hard to control in a close situation like that, when you may not even have both hands on the weapon.
+But most likely even a .22 would be enough here
+--- 57864439
+>>57862908
+No need to thank me anon, just doing my civic duty to remind the world that the three day special military operation is now 1 year old
+--- 57866136
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Why didn't he even try to punch one of them? He just meekly grabbed one and then fell to the ground.
+--- 57866173
+>>57858987 (OP)
+>"own" house with garage
+>park in street
+Why is every American house like this? Park inside the fucking garage what is it for if you aren't putting vehicles inside it?
+--- 57866194
+>>57859065
+this
+>>57859028
+he should've killed him
+--- 57866203
+>>57859317
+The dindus in the video unironically deserve to die
+--- 57866244
+>>57859429
+pretty sure the one guy had a gun? he picked something up
+--- 57866302
+>>57858987 (OP)
+>none of the assailants died
+>no parents and friends crying "why do he hav to shoot them tho?" on the local news
+>cost of this crime bears on taxpayer and not the perps
+3/10, property preserved, no discouragement achieved
+>>57859028
+>just let them take it
+>insurance
+If the job of insurance companies was to blow robber's brains all over their breakfast table in front of their families, I'd agree with you.
+--- 57866430
+>>57866173
+>Why is every American house like this?
+We need a place to put all the plastic crap we consoom.
+--- 57866442
+>>57859475
+>>57860217
+The homeowner was not on the ground until multiple people were attacking him. He couldn't have done any kimura, chokehold or leg lock in that position. He was dead.
+The only martial art that makes sense in this scenario is a striking art that focuses on ranging.
+--- 57866460
+>>57859054
+>>57859065
+>>57859171
+t. retards who have never lived in a shit neighborhoods. Oh, you locked your door? Wow good thing your window is made of solid steel, right?
+--- 57866468
+>>57866173
+>what is it for
+My reloading bench, drill press, bandsaw, etc.
+--- 57866489
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Good:
+Ring camera for situational awareness.
+Bad:
+Car unlocked.
+No shotgun.
+Story time: Grew up in a diverse, poor area. One of the girls I knew had a boyfriend get executed while trying to steal a stereo put of their car one night.
+No charges.
+Nothing of value was lost.
+--- 57866493
+>>57859936
+>Only literal retards drive manual
+Or when you live in a 3rd world shithole where paying the Automatic version costs almost half the price of the car because the resellers are fucking mafias.
+--- 57866495
+>>57866442
+I don't like being sexist but why are women so fucking retarded when anything happens
+--- 57866505
+>>57866442
+Damn this video is old as fuck. From what I remember the guy was a UFC fighter or boxer or something along those lines.
+--- 57866514
+>>57866489
+>Grew up in a diverse, poor area
+>doesn't understand why the car was unlocked
+Yeah your neighborhood wasn't that poor or diverse clearly. People who live in shithole don't lock their car doors because then you just lose your windows.
+--- 57866520
+>>57859028
+Unless you have complete full coverage, insurance doesnt cover theft and even full coverage isnt enough for most insurances, you have to pay an additional amount on top for "comprehensive" for most major insurers. So yeah go ahead and let them take your moms car since you're obviously an autist who doesnt drive
+--- 57866524
+>>57866442
+Haha, grey sweatshirt had the knowledge to put his buddy in the recovery position, but is doing good that shit in tunnels.
+--- 57866540
+>>57866524
+>but is doing good that shit in tunnels
+What?
+--- 57866546
+>>57866495
+>I don't like being sexist
+You should
+>why are women so fucking retarded when anything happens
+Because they are women. They (especially white women in high HDI countries) never have to deal with their problems on their own. Men always solve their problems and exercise violence on their behalf so they have no meaningful understanding of conflict beyond abstract ideas.
+--- 57866553
+>>57866495
+so that men will protect them, not perceive them as a threat after other men are done killing their men. Being retarded is a strong evolutionary advantage in this case, when the only real threat to your survival is others of your species that want you to live so they can fuck you.
+--- 57866567
+>>57858987 (OP)
+This is why I always keep loaded guns at the ready in my home. No way I would have responded to this without a pistol or rifle.
+--- 57866573
+>>57864145
+Put 4 in the first one and the rest are running, the whole idea of several unarmed people taking down a shooter has been proven bullshit hundreds of times.
+>inb4 the 2 times it has happened
+I also know someone that won the lottery twice but I wouldn't consider buying a ticket to be an investment.
+--- 57866578
+>>57866540
+>all those cucks rushing over to check on the nigger
+Pathetic
+--- 57866579
+>>57866546
+>white women never have to deal with their problems on their own
+Sometimes they do.
+--- 57866620
+>>57866579
+>loses fight
+>ass whuppin only ends when her friend steps in
+Thanks for proving my point.
+--- 57866628
+>>57866514
+Haha, well if you want my hood cred, I'm originally from Channelview, TX.
+Dell Dale St and I-10.
+Check it on street view sometime.
+There, even 20 years ago, the sound of breaking glass, barking dogs, upset chickens was likely to be met with gunfire.
+So yeah, you never saw many unlocked cars or broken windows. They usually got in quiet and took the whole vehicle or noting at all.
+I had a buddy whose work truck some crackhead had tried to pry bar the door handle itself rather than break the glass.
+--- 57866634
+>>57866489
+>trying to steal a stereo put of their car one night
+>>57866524
+>buddy in the recovery position, but is doing good that shit in tunnels
+WT actual fuck is wrong with people these days my god
+>inb4 fuck off grammar nazi
+Fuck you it's grammar learn it or gtfo
+--- 57866645
+>>57866634
+It's spelling, not grammer.
+--- 57866648
+>>57866514
+>don't lock their car doors because then you just lose your windows.
+The whole "leave your doors unlocked" thing just emboldens the thieves to escalate and take more. t. got my ignition coils ripped out of my ranger after leaving the door unlocked.
+--- 57866663
+>>57866620
+She still dealt with the problem on her own. If you really need to see one where the woman "wins" then here you go.
+--- 57866697
+>>57866495
+>women so fucking retarded
+tfw the answer is in the question.
+--- 57866698
+>>57866663
+>on her own
+Her friend literally saved her. You and I have a very different definition of "on her own". This other lady has a mean left hook tho, so that counts.
+--- 57866715
+>>57866697
+The woman in that webm was smart, though. She saw that it was two guys, one of them bigger than her BF, and figured the smart move was not to engage.
+THIS is being retarded.
+--- 57866771
+>>57859936
+Here in Europe automatic is for Mothers and Homosexuals. I'll assume you're a Mom.
+--- 57866792
+>>57866771
+>european
+>calling others homosexuals
+yeah it just doesn't really have much affect. I'm sure you're very much at ease when grabbing a shaft and working it.
+--- 57866798
+>>57860261
+Basically no car uses insertable keys anymore. You keep a little dongle in your pocket and press a button to start the car. If you get jacked, you just run away and the thief gets to drive your car for about 10 yards before it shuts down.
+--- 57866850
+>>57866514
+You also leave your house unlocked?
+Good luck telling your insurance your car was unlocked when you report the theft. You will see fucking nothing, the insurance and ANY court will rule against you just for negligence for not locking your vehicle.
+I'd say I grew up in a fairly homogeneous (although not rich) area and people locked their doors there. Claiming anything otherwise doesn't mean you grew up in a dangerous area, it means you grew up spoiled.
+--- 57867148
+>>57859083
+And have to file a medical insurance claim instead?
+--- 57867219
+>>57859807
+Yeah, some people just don't seem to grasp that the entire business model of insurance is never ever paying out for anything if they can avoid it for whatever reason.
+--- 57867273
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Imagine not owning a gun
+Imagine not taking advantage of an opportunity that would let you kill 4 niggers and get away with it free and clear
+--- 57867348
+you could put a tracker and weasel a camera that takes a picture from the dash when you tell it to for like, 50 bucks these days.
+what the fuck are you guys doing
+--- 57867361
+>>57867219
+>>57859807
+t. people who just chose the cheapest insurance option and read about 3 words of the terms and conditions
+--- 57868079
+>>57859028
+>just let them take it
+Happiness in the world increases!!!
+--- 57868086
+>>57866460
+>lock doors
+>they try to break windows
+>drive away
+???
+--- 57868382
+>>57859204
+Mind broken and rent free.
+--- 57868939
+>>57860532
+you nailed it.
+--- 57869159
+>>57859093
+Lol faggot cuck
+--- 57870901
+>>57864145
+ this guy has never shot a 10mm one handed, or ever for that matter
+--- 57870921
+>>57859044
+Neither is Ukraine nigger.
+--- 57871099
+>>57866715
+>literally runs into fist
+>guys still cuck for her
+like clockwork
+captcha: 2VVVV
+--- 57871153
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Assuming this is texas, can I go out of my house with an AR and start blasting?
+--- 57871232
+>>57859925
+--- 57871361
+>>57859028
+That's an infiniti you blind retard
+--- 57871473
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Fucking dumbass
+Why do you even leave your car open? Are you fucking dumb?
+--- 57871485
+>>57871361
+Infiniti is Nissan's "Luxury" brand even though only low class ghetto niggers tend to drive them.
+--- 57871504
+>>57867361
+>I am totally not an insurance rep guise!
+--- 57871645
+One time I saw a youth fiddling with my car but when I walked out of my flat brandishing a hatchet he just ran away.
+--- 57871978
+shots should have been fired
+--- 57872145
+>>57866850
+>You will see fucking nothing,
+If you live in that neighborhood your insurance doesn't cover theft.
+>hurr I grew up not in the hood and blah
+yeah that's why you don't know a small piece of sparkplug ceramic will shatter your window in less than a second and locking your door just means you don't get to have windows anymore retard. They'll still steal whatever they want.
+>Claiming anything otherwise doesn't mean you grew up in a dangerous area, it means you grew up spoiled.
+lmao this guy thinks his insurance covers car theft and is calling others spoiled
+>>57866648
+>just emboldens
+They'll do that shit anyway. Even in alright neighborhoods in big cities tweakers just roll under cars and cut out the catalytic converter.
+--- 57872557
+>>57858987 (OP)
+Classic. "When seconds matter, the police is only two hours away. Unless they have a lunch break scheduled or there's just three hours until their shift is done."
+--- 57872590
+>>57859187
+ok? And the criminal just comes back in a week...
+--- 57872680
+>>57863093
+Grow up you fucking manchild. If you think that color is "cool" you're literally 12
+--- 57872760
+How about for a change we rate the carjacking?
+>Dude pitter patters up to an unlocked car
+>Apparently he expects the keys to be in it? Even if he knew ahead of time it was unlocked, how did he expect to drive it away?
+>Gets pulled out and starts mostly hugging the car owner in self defense
+>3 more car jackers come out and start holding the dude down
+>"Uh, guys.... How is this heling us steal this car?"
+>Run away with absolutely nothing to show for it
+Was it autism???
+--- 57872785
+>>57859044
+Fists are weapons.
+--- 57872957
+>>57866460
+>No dude, it's totally better to give them easy access to your shit. Part in parcel!
+You wouldn't happen to live in California, would you?
+--- 57873086
+>>57872957
+Nope.
+>easy access
+Anon, it takes less than a second to break your window. I know you want to believe your lock keeps you safe, but it doesn't.
+https://youtu.be/8LyHPZFtk3o?t=68 [Embed]
+--- 57873103
+>>57866460
+The "no weapon" part was the most important part.

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+-----
+--- 57860610
+i still think tavor looks cool
+--- 57860624
+>>57860610 (OP)
+It is cool
+--- 57860698
+>>57860610 (OP)
+I would buy the fuck out of a Tavor 7 if the seven didn’t stand for fucking 7 MOA accuracy
+--- 57860869
+>>57860698
+Allegedly the Tavor 7 gets closer to 1.5moa. Check around the boomer forums. They used a short stroke piston (as opposed to the Tavor's long stroke) and allegedly were really trying to get the accuracy right, and I'm told they did.
+1.5moa isnt long range precision shooting good, but it's good for a battle rifle and IMO plenty for hunting at ethical distances.
+--- 57860900
+I've simply never been a fan.. that huge ass trigger gaurd taking up the whole grip always triggered my autism
+--- 57860916
+>>57860900
+idk trigger guard looks fine to me
+--- 57860964
+>>57860624
+man this pictures edited poorly
+--- 57861101
+>>57860610 (OP)
+A vatnigger thinks that giving money to people supporting genocide is cool, how surprising
+--- 57861140
+>>57860916
+He probably means the cutlass style guard on the SAR. On the X95 and Tavor 7 you can swap it for a conventional trigger guard which makes way more fucking sense and is what you mostly see the Israelis use. The cutlass guard makes me nervous as fuck.
+--- 57861311
+>>57860869
+Huh weird. When I looked into the Tavor 7 a couple years ago everywhere online had reviews saying 3-4MOA out of the box. Maybe I’ll reconsider getting one then. I want a good 7.62 bullpup
+>>57861140
+Good enough for the AUG good enough for me
+--- 57863844
+>>57861140
+cutlass guard on a handgun would be cool, though. Has nobody tried this? Would make for a convenient foregrip.
+--- 57866135
+>>57860624
+>be jew
+>tattoo number on arm
+kek
+--- 57866155
+>>57866135
+--- 57866606
+>>57860900
+>>57861140
+non–mitten wearers detected
+--- 57866651
+>>57860610 (OP)
+>enters room
+>points gun to right and then left
+what if there's a guy waiting to shoot him on his left? how would he be able to counter that?
+--- 57866989
+>>57860610 (OP)
+it does
+--- 57867152
+>>57860610 (OP)
+Are the Israelis still using the X-95 or have they switched back to a standard configuration rifle?
+--- 57867763
+>>57866135
+But... booba...
+>>57861311
+7.62mm bullpups are annoying and somewhat impractical unless you're shooting with a can.
+t. has tinnitus from that shit.
+--- 57867778
+>>57860610 (OP)
+what is this gay shit just bomb the building already
+--- 57868038
+>>57860893
+>0:10
+>sweep buddies and instructor
+based
+--- 57868083
+>>57866135
+Treyf observation, my man.
+--- 57869791
+>>57868038
+its not a sweep bro he has no broom
+--- 57869802
+>>57867152
+idf is using standard rifles, gen 3 tavor but some units still have gen 2
+--- 57869845
+>>57860610 (OP)
+I still think your mom looks gay
+--- 57869868
+How is it for a Palestinian Paster? Surely the Jews make good guns, right?
+--- 57869899
+>>57866651
+>Enter room
+>Points gun to the left and then right
+what if there's a guy waiting to shoot him on his right? how would he be able to counter that?
+--- 57869900
+>>57869899
+shooting first
+--- 57869920
+>>57869900
+If he's pointed to the left, the guy on the right will be more likely to get the first shot.
+--- 57869955
+>>57867763
+Just wear ear pro?
+--- 57869983
+>>57869920
+if theres a guy point at guy instead of pointing at a random direction
+--- 57870053
+>>57869983
+You always enter the room sweeping from the visible to the extreme right or left corners. Coming in and just reacting to the corners will get you shot more often. That's not how any army trains, including the IDF as shown.
+--- 57870126
+>>57870053
+maybe if you're a slow ass nerd
+real men just shoot first
+--- 57870146
+>>57860893
+>sweeps the head of everyone at every moment he can
+Based?
+--- 57872441
+>>57870146
+Swept you mom with my dick

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+-----
+--- 57861089
+today I went rucking, did 7.53km - 4.68 miles in 1h17m - 10:15min/km - 16:45min/mi
+note that 20% of the distance was done offroad over dense weeds that went up to my belly button, and 40% was over tilled farmland, the rest was on dirt roads or paved roads, all the terrain was a plain.
+the backpack was 16.5kg - 36lbs
+how's that?
+--- 57861115
+You will never be a weapon
+--- 57861125
+>>57861089 (OP)
+Congrats. You trampled some freshly tilled and seeded field a d fucked over a farmers hard work.
+Go fuck yourself.
+--- 57861150
+>>57861125
+lol seethe more faggot there were no seeds planted
+--- 57863047
+>>57861089 (OP)
+Totally depends on how rough the terrain is. I had a long (93 day) trip in the Andes working hard every day from when I woke up to sleep. I had been training before I left and ran a decent pace 18 mile race even before the grueling trip. Had the heart rate of a pro cyclist when I got back.
+But, we had a day where we made it all of about 7 miles in 16 hours, even though we were acclimatized to altitude and were close to sea level again.
+Absolutely atrocious bush and thorns kept slowing us while the topo maps in Chile are in 10 meter contour lines so that 30 foot cliffs can be entirely missing. Then, it was also so thick it became hard to navigate, while it was also knee deep mud in some places, and we had just made our last resupply but still had ropes, pickets, ice and trad racks, etc., meaning 80-90lb packs.
+An extreme example, but point is that terrain can slow you to a snail's pace no matter your conditioning.
+--- 57863055
+>>57861089 (OP)
+>the backpack was 16.5kg - 36lbs
+KWAB
+--- 57863094
+>>57861089 (OP)
+>16.5kg backpack
+What did you put inside, your body pillow, suntan lotion and bud light feminine edition?
+--- 57863223
+>>57863094
+>>57863055
+its a totally fine ruck with all I need for doing a multi day hike in the mountains, military rucks weigh more due to military equipment like ammo, empty sandbags, e tool, mg ammo, rocket launchers, etc
+in mine I have a sleeping bag, tarp, food, water, mess kit, first aid kit, lvl7 jacket, waterproof jacket, water filter, 2 spare socks, stove, spare lv1 shirt, 3L water bladder, headlamp, and some other stuff, this list isnt complete, I was missing spare batteries, monocular, and additional water canteens
+you dont need to carry 100lbs of gear unless theres a specific need for it
+--- 57863244
+>>57863047
+that's cool, was it a thru hike?
+what experience did you have previous to that?
+how did you resupply your food(and water if you didn't filter it on your own)?
+--- 57863321
+>>57861089 (OP)
+>>>/fit/
+--- 57865362
+>>57861089 (OP)
+>how's that?
+Not a bad start. I did a 20k with a 75 pound ruck up a mountain and back in 3 hours and 40 minutes, and that was after three months of conditioning for it. If you are looking to get dialed in on your rucking ability give backpacking a try. It forces you to consider weight vs utility, and you get to figure out how numerous days of walking feels. Just a thought.
+--- 57865412
+>>57861089 (OP)
+>How was that
+Not bad, don't mean to discourage you but it is below the US army standard. You need to push yourself to at least a 15 min mile, but you're almost there
+--- 57865467
+>>57861089 (OP)
+Lots of anons will hate from their couch.
+Great job friendo
+--- 57866210
+I come here to read about guns, but some of you guys are fuckin losers wtf
+--- 57867976
+>>57865362
+>backpacking
+yes im also starting ti go inna mountains, already went a weekend
+--- 57867981
+>>57866210
+what
+--- 57868759
+>>57863055
+>>57863094
+--- 57871862
+>>57861089 (OP)
+>Sub 10km
+>Over 1h
+That's just fast walking, which doesn't require a lot of prep and thought. Consider switching the boots for running shoes, dropping half the weight and aim for 10km/1h. This will help find any weak spots in you packing from the beginning.
+Also looking at the pictures, the backpack is too far away from your shoulders, which will fucking wreck your stamina once you have to move faster than a chill walk.
+--- 57872272
+>>57871862
+cant get closer than that, its the normal space between the actual pack bag and the frame
+also how is that a fast walk, the army standard is 15min miles min, i did close to that, not that good a time but its the 2nd time i ruck
+anyway ti get better what type of exercise should I do
+--- 57872409
+>>57872272
+>anyway ti get better what type of exercise should I do
+Just walk. The more often you do it, the better you get. Also consider walking on trekking paths and not paved roads. It will be much easier on your joints.
+--- 57872436
+>>57872272
+>anyway ti get better what type of exercise should I do
+Squats and sprints if you want. But rucking once a week and doing 2x other cardio events the rest of the week is good enough.
+--- 57872468
+>>57861089 (OP)
+>pack: rucked
+>dick: tucked
+>knees: fucked
+--- 57872499
+>>57872436
+I go running also
+>>57872409
+I go innamountains doing 2 day hikes, cant do more bc it's for the weekend and then I got to work
+--- 57872503
+>>57863055
+>bags of sugar
+Is this the bong version of football fields

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+-----
+--- 57861147
+Say something nice about him
+--- 57861157
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Soon.
+--- 57861169
+Since T-55s are already in the hands of Russian forces. Who would win if a Leo 1 faced a T-55?
+--- 57861185
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Looks like a overhauled hull (at least a new lick of paint) and a old turret.
+--- 57861188
+>>57861169
+Leopard 1A5 hands down. It's not even close.
+--- 57861192
+>>57861147 (OP)
+needs moar ERA
+--- 57861204
+>>57861169
+I think one Leopard can beat 10 T-55.
+--- 57861239
+>>57861169
+>President Zelensky, I'm FSB.
+--- 57861247
+>>57861192
+Slap on every piece of Mexas and ERA you can find on those suckers.
+--- 57861259
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Basically this >>57861157
+>>57861192
+>>57861218
+--- 57861373
+>>57861157
+aside from additional weight, is there any reason not to slap a bunch of ERA on it?
+--- 57861394
+>>57861157
+>>57861218
+I love this meme
+--- 57861427
+>>57861239
+You're a short guy.
+--- 57861429
+>>57861157
+>>57861192
+>>57861218
+--- 57861445
+>>57861147 (OP)
+ERA doko?
+--- 57861446
+>>57861373
+crunchies standing near the tank might not enjoy the ERA detonating, but that argument is overblown because they also won't enjoy the HEAT warhead fragments that triggered the ERA
+I don't know the lethal and jnjury radii for Kontakt 1 but I can't imagine it's much larger than for an RPG-7 warhead
+--- 57861476
+>>57861446
+Not just near but in the direction normal to it. ERA with metal flyer plates act a bit like wannabe claymores.
+--- 57861489
+>>57861147 (OP)
+is that a Leopard 2K turret with a 105 mm gun?
+--- 57861509
+>>57861218
+The Danes already bricked them.
+--- 57861510
+My retarded take: A fully upgraded Leopard-1 can 1v1 any Russian tank in existence. There was a period where the 105MM wasn't good enough at long distances but technology has advanced. T-64, T-72, T-80, and T-90 can all be penetrated by the 105 at the same range the Russian tanks can hit the Leopard so the extra armor isn't a huge benefit. A poor as the Leopard armor is, the Russian tanks have shown themselves to be turret-tossing, self immolating, unsuriviable, unreliable, shitboxes.
+Since both sides can destroy one another at all likely engagement ranges, it would likely come down to optics, reliability, thermals, accuracy, etc.. all of which lean towards the Leopard and outweigh the better armor protection on some Russian tanks. A Leopard 1 can also be covered in ERA just as well as a Russian tank too. In real life, the Russian tanks are also being refurbished with inferior equipment, are more poorly maintained, etc.. so the Leopards will probably be better. Which si an insane thing to think. They'll be vulnerable to RPG-7s but so would everything except Abrams, Challenger, and Leopard-2.
+--- 57861540
+>>57861373
+I think one big Issue is that it would prevent any other additional armor from being added. Leo 1 armor is so thin i'm pretty sure that even 30mm might be a threat against it even from the front. The biggest benefit of ERA though would be in helping against any RPG rounds which is probably the most common threat that it will face.
+--- 57861546
+>>57861510
+It depends, with K-5 the 105 can't go through the front of later T-72s/T-90s and T-80s. Granted considering that the Russians probably have a ton of K-1 in use still and a lot of K-5 bricks are probably empty, I think most cases it won't be a problem
+--- 57861550
+With the degradation of Russian tanks. Even the Leo 1 will end as way superior
+--- 57861560
+As i am not in the mood to spend 1000 hours on photoshop (or paint), i humbly ask for someone to make an ERA version of picrel
+--- 57861581
+>>57861476
+if you're standing in a position to be hit by the flyer plate, an RPG has already passed through your body in it's way to the ERA, which seems like a bigger issue
+--- 57861596
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Cute socks.
+--- 57861597
+>>57861546
+okay but what if they strap captured K5 plates to the Leopard 1s
+I totally expect Ukraine to make ghetto arrowhead armor for their 2A4s using captured K5 plates and I'll be sad if they don't
+--- 57861607
+>>57861147 (OP)
+With a rack like that that's a girl, son.
+Real tanks have fuckhuge and pointy tits, flat turrets are for paedophiles.
+--- 57861687
+>>57861607
+Uohhhhhhhhh! !! !! 2a4 erotic !!!!!! 2a4 hull and turret !!!!!! Erotic …
+--- 57861739
+>>57861581
+Rather imagine being in a position 15-30m off from the side of a tank with ERA. The problem isn't that the RPG fragments get you in that case but rather the blast generates a cone of fragments. Statistically some of the chunkier pieces of the flyer plate can make it far and still maim or kill at that point. Not to say that happens every time but that is one of the genuine concerns with ERA.
+--- 57861777
+>>57861218
+>>57861247
+worked out for frogs
+--- 57861928
+>>57861596
+She even has ERA abs.
+--- 57861940
+for spring offensive 2026
+--- 57861946
+>>57861928
+Would kontakt/10
+--- 57861955
+>>57861687
+Its a nice looking tank, like a modernized Tiger
+--- 57861968
+>>57861739
+Most of the time I'm not seeing tanks and infantry being used in tandem, its more like the tanks advance, then retreat followed up by an ifv with infantry coming in. Rarely are there WW2 tier combined arms levels of cramped.
+--- 57862024
+>>57861510
+Sorry, but the 105 can't go (frontally) through
+>T-72BA
+>T-72B3/(2016)
+>T-80U/(K)
+>T-80BV [Big maybe]
+>T-80BVM [Unless they don't strike the ERA]
+>T-90 'Ural' [Big maybe]
+>T-90A
+>T-90M
+The rest is free game tho.
+120mm cannons can do against anything tho.
+--- 57862030
+>>57861739
+ERA luckily isn't a frag warhead, it's usually just 2 relatively large pieces of shrapnel, so the likelyhood of injury is acceptable.
+--- 57862047
+>>57862024
+Don't the Leos have actual thermals in them? They could probably out maneuver the Russian stuff thanks to the better awareness and get side hits
+--- 57862081
+>>57862047
+Yes
+--- 57862157
+>>57861247
+Woah, that's sex
+--- 57862198
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Whats the tactical advantage of putting a flashing light on top of your tank?
+--- 57862207
+>>57861169
+The Leopard 1 was explicitly designed to kill T-55s.
+--- 57862267
+>>57861147 (OP)
+What kind of cuck lamp is that.
+--- 57862428
+>>57861147 (OP)
+damn, he cute
+--- 57862446
+>>57861169
+T-55AM Merida? Merida.
+--- 57862453
+>>57862024
+i dont think tank to tank combat is going to be that much of a priority hell theres barely any footage of that
+theres plenty of footage of tanks smashing through infantry, thats why they are useful
+--- 57862506
+>>57862024
+Honestly that's pretty concerning since i'm pretty sure if the Leo 1 does have to face off against a Tank, it's probably going to be a T-72B3 or T-80BV just by probability alone
+--- 57862695
+>>57861510
+>>57862024
+depends if it gets the super modern APFSDS ammo imo by the jews or belgians, it might actually be able to
+--- 57862712
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Lmao this is the interior
+--- 57862713
+>>57862024
+Soviet tanks all have the same weakened zones
+Lower plate
+Drivers cutout region
+Gun housing
+Turret ring
+Turret area above the composite armor
+While it is unreasonable to "aim" for weakspots, it is still a game of probabilities.
+So while it's unlikely for the 105mm to go through the toughest armored sections (Glacis + turret cheeks), there is still ~30% of the tank that is vulnerable from the front.
+--- 57862735
+>>57862712
+Looks like a dentist's office.
+--- 57862770
+>>57862047
+Yes, Leos have actual thermals, why they'd likely be the one kind of tank to fight other ones, because they'd be able to find them and thus be able to engage em favorably, but with normal rounds the front of those tanks is a no-go.
+>>57862453
+Oh, on that it's iffy, 105 ain't known for HE lobbing, they mostly used HEAT for that same role, but yeah, it'd work. But Leo 1 would also be great for hunting enemy tanks at night.
+>>57862506
+Yes, it is an issue, but they can probably get a lucky hit and retreat quickly enough thanks to actually being decent reverse-speed wise, or let other units strike after pointing em with their sights.
+>>57862695
+If they get M900 they'll be able to drop the remaining T-72s plus the T-72B4, also known as T-90 'Ural'. Don't know about the rest of tanks tho. but maybe they'll be able to get glacis-hits which I think would be the best bet.
+--- 57862791
+>>57862713
+Sadly, they're called lucky hits for that reason, one out of 4-5 hits going through isn't a good bet in a military. Though due to the localized nature of Russian usage of vehicles in the defense I think they can gang up on lone Russian tanks and blast em by sheer M833 fire.
+--- 57862793
+>>57861510
+Retarded and delusional.
+Leo 1A5 will fail to penetrate any half-decent Russian tank frontally.
+The only advantage it has is thermals which most Russian tanks don't have. Not all that useful if it can't pen the tank it hits. If a Russian tank sees the Leopard first however, the Leopard is screwed.
+>>57862453
+The Leopard 1 will be extremely vulnerable while assaulting infantry. Any AT whatsoever will punch through from just about any angle.
+I expect to see quite a few burning Leopard 1s. For the most part, they're shitty tanks in 2023. Anyone jerking themselves off over a thin-skinned 105mm tank in Ukraine is going to get a rude awakening.
+--- 57862821
+>>57862712
+What kind of god-forsaken, training aid mockup did you find a picture of?
+--- 57862874
+>>57861247
+thats the uparmored canadian Leo 1 C2 which they are not sending over. think they got sold to some pajeet
+--- 57862893
+>>57862793
+>half-decent
+>Russian tank
+pick one
+--- 57862924
+>>57861157
+The welded Leopard 1s turret is made of spaced armor.
+The outer skin is too thin to mount Kontakt-1 without being damaged from the explosion
+--- 57862965
+>>57862030
+>ERA luckily isn't a frag warhead
+Check out Nizh.
+--- 57862971
+>>57862893
+That's relative to their own fleet. Relative to the Leopard 1, almost all of them are superior.
+--- 57862983
+>>57862971
+Like for example?
+--- 57863023
+>>57862983
+Anything T-72B and above. Once you get into stuff like a T-80B the Leopard becomes laughable, outside of the very basic thermals. Even that shouldn't be overstated too much, since assets don't operate in an atomized manner. ISR is a thing.
+--- 57863056
+>>57863023
+>T-80
+yeah no, they don't have much of em
+but you are right on T-72BA and forths, basic bitch T-72Bs I don't think are superior.
+--- 57863091
+>>57861247
+>>57862874
+MEXAS would have been based if they had mass produced the plates in absolute fuck-ton quantities like Russia did with Kontakt
+--- 57863125
+>>57861739
+>ERA might wound the infantry accompanying the tank
+Anon, Russians do not use combined arms. There are no infantry lmao.
+--- 57863129
+>>57861147 (OP)
+>Say something nice about him
+Many smooth surfaces. Engine strong enough for some added weight.
+--- 57863135
+>>57863056
+125mm gun with better HE and APFSDS.
+Armor that at least gives the crew a chance to survive AP or Gen2 ATGM HEAT which is everywhere.
+What does the Leopard have? Shitty thermals? Doesn't compensate for getting killed by any infantry ATGM and being useless for engaging half the tanks it might see.
+--- 57863143
+>>57862024
+Have you seen how little confidence russian tank crews have about their metal coffins? It doesn't even need to penetrate but just getting hit would probably make half of them do the abandooner meme
+--- 57863154
+>>57861169
+Leo has better mobility, FCS. T-55 has better armor, which is irrelevant against DM33+.
+--- 57863362
+>>57862024
+Against modern (1980+) darts, only parts covered by K5 ERA are protected. And even then, the ERA block must be filled with explosives (and not styrofoam/air) and those explosives must not have degraded after decades in storage (causing them to detonate AFTER the dart passed through).
+>>57862770
+>105 ain't known for HE lobbing
+>>57863135
+>125mm gun with better HE
+Rifled 105mm packs about as much HE as smoothbore 125mm. Both are ~3kg.
+--- 57863546
+>>57861446
+>I don't know the lethal and jnjury radii for Kontakt 1 but I can't imagine it's much larger than for an RPG-7 warhead
+Prety aure ERA would have a bigger blast simply from the direction of the blast- outwards. That said, ERA detonating beats the tank detonating if your job is to keep tank alive, and the tank's job is to kill those shooting you.
+--- 57863573
+>>57863362
+we never had HE to throw around, just M456, sorry
+--- 57863640
+>>57863362
+>using Steel beasts armor models in the current year
+>the only thing that matters is HE content.
+HESH, due to how it works needs thin walls, so it will produce poor fragmentation. Fragmentation is more effective over distance then blast
+125mm HE has thicker walls optimised for producing better fragmentation
+Also HESH is only delayed fuzed which means it will penetrate into soil then explode, reducing it's effectiveness
+125mm HE is can be set to either immediate (vs infantry in the open) or delay fuzed (vs structures + light vehicles)
+--- 57863645
+>>57862713
+>While it is unreasonable to "aim" for weakspots
+Literally (successfully) done in WWII already.
+--- 57863650
+>>57861218
+>>57861509
+--- 57863685
+>>57862793
+Most hits aren't to the front and russian AT weapons are mostly stopped by ERA.
+So you'd need repeated hits against somebody with better optics than you. Ask the goatfuckers in the middle east how secret their nightly husbandry was.
+Just kidding they never found out. Heat vision, nigger.
+--- 57863863
+>>57863685
+>Most hits aren't to the front
+They are, and always have been.
+>russian AT weapons are mostly stopped by ERA
+Not sure how well ERA plastered on a thin-skinned vehicle never meant to receive it like a Leopard is going to work, if it works at all. Even if you stick it on, it simply adds HEAT resistance. It's not an absolute counter.
+>So you'd need repeated hits against somebody with better optics than you
+The Leopard 1 having shitty thermals isn't going to stop it needing to expose itself to fire. When it does, if there's any AT with range, it's toast. Unless you're imagining shitty thermals means it now now has a God's-eye view of the battlefield. It's still a buttoned-up giant vehicle and emplaced infantry will still see it before it sees them.
+--- 57863995
+>>57862874
+>think they got sold to some pajeet
+Worse. used as targets.
+--- 57864056
+>>57863863
+>They are, and always have been.
+Factually incorrect even in WWII. We have plenty of studies on this.
+>Not sure
+Maybe shut the fuck up then.
+>shitty thermals
+Superior than basically everything Russìa hasright now.
+>expose
+Russian tanks are essentially blind in comparison. Exposure isn't the issue, being acquired is.
+>toast
+Never served retard doesn't know how visible people are on cold backgrounds if you're in a western tank.
+>buttoned up
+Slavshit detected.
+Western doctrine has always been to keep the commander's head out in basically all situations except the middle of an artillery barrage, because contrary to Russian belief what you don't see is what kills you.
+Get exposed, vatnik.
+--- 57864067
+>>57863863
+Leo 1 is thinly armored for tank standards but it's still meant to resist 30mm APDS, it's not like slapping ERA on a Buhanka. Show me an ERA brick where 70mm RHA isn't an appropriate backing.
+--- 57864167
+>>57862024
+But 105mm DM63 has superior performance compared to 3BM42, which is 100% of Ukrainian ammo and the overwhelming majority of Russian ammo.
+Additionally, as >>57862713 pointed out, Russian tanks have massive amounts of weakspots (mostly located at center mass kek) even the very latest T-90Ms.
+Leopard 1s are absolutely capable of frontally destroying every Russian tank.
+Finally, we all know that image of a T-72B3 destroyed by a Ukrainian sabot through the front, which means Russian tanks often have empty ERA, which massively decreases armor, or that Russian armor estimates are overstated.
+All in all, the Leopard 1A5 will be an effective tank in Ukraine, even in an offensive capacity.
+--- 57864303
+>>57863863
+Ukraine was already putting ERA on BMPs so i'm sure if a BMP-2 can handle it then so can a Leo1
+--- 57864390
+>>57864303
+Thing is BMP-2 can't handle ERA like K-1
+--- 57864415
+>>57864056
+>Factually incorrect even in WWII.
+Do tell.
+>Maybe shut the fuck up then
+What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed just as easily. A Kornet will rip through a Leopard 1 even with theoretical bastardized ERA thrown on top without issue. Cope and seethe.
+>Superior than basically everything Russìa hasright now.
+Basically equivalent. Low res gen1 garbage that can't see anything at range. That's leaving out the nicer stuff they had pre-war which is outright superior.
+>Russian tanks are essentially blind in comparison
+Good thing they can take a hit, which the Leo can't.
+>Never served. Muh amazing thermals can see everything
+Early thermals against emplaced infantry at long range? They won't see jack shit. I know from experience, unlike you. We had very modern thermals, and even that had difficulty picking out humans at range if they were in heavy cover.
+>Western doctrine has always been to keep the commander's head out
+Mk. 1 Eyeballs won't be useful unless he's right on top of the enemy, where even a PG-7V will kill the tank. Good job.
+Fucked up close, fucked at range. Leo1 is garbage, and I look forward to seeing their hulks litter the battlefield.
+--- 57864539
+>>57864415
+>Do tell.
+Google it yourself, vatnik. Nice irrelevant image though. You don't even know what angle means.
+Rest is tldnr, you're not that interesting.
+--- 57864573
+>>57862712
+>>57862735
+>>57862821
+The best part is when all the crew all get inside, are seated and the hatches are put down, the first few seconds' synth noises of Kraftwerk's "The Robots" plays inside.
+--- 57864718
+>>57864539
+>Too stupid to understand angle calculations when the 0-5 is a dead giveaway it's in reference to the front.
+>"Vatnik", when it's obvious to anyone with reading comprehension my command of English is better than yours.
+Hopefully the Ukies will be more manly about losing when it comes to these shitty tanks.
+--- 57864738
+>>57864718
+You're a dumb nigger and I will love seeing more dead russians from leopard 1s.
+--- 57864777
+>>57864718
+>>Too stupid to understand angle calculations when the 0-5 is a dead giveaway it's in reference to the front.
+Kek
+It goes from 0 to 90, anon.
+That's a straight hit vs one at the most extreme angle possible and doesn't refer to the sides of the tank. Otherwise it would have to go to 180° recover the backside.
+Vatniggers can be so silly in their childish fantasies.
+--- 57865001
+>>57861596
+What does PaHok mean?
+--- 57865239
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Thread theme:
+https://youtu.be/bPrT0Fzzwsg [Embed]
+Does anyone know what the refurbishments/upgrades actually are for the leopard 1's?
+--- 57865252
+>>57861157
+--- 57865282
+>>57865239
+A bunch of the old Leopards were outdated models, I guess they're being updated to A5 standard.
+--- 57865288
+>>57862924
+Has that ever stopped Slavs?
+--- 57865448
+>Scared mobik clutching to his AKM in his trench while hearing cannon fire outside, then he hears a click, a grenade drops in front of him.
+>Desperate he jumps out of the trench while it goes off.
+>Mobik gets caught by the concussion, there is only a ring in his ears and white in his eyes for a long moment
+>Finally he manages to focus and raises his head
+>A dozen of meters in front of him he sees the shape of a tank, a Leopard tank, its gun pointing at him
+>Before the shot ends his life he wonders "why does this tank have in its turret the image of a werecat thing?"
+--- 57865460
+>>57862207
+You’re a big guy
+>>57864303
+Wicked.
+--- 57865494
+>>57861147 (OP)
+I can’t wait for them to start putting swastikas and wolfsangels on them
+--- 57865906
+>>57864777
+a WW2 statistic does say that the sides are more often hit than the front
+or rather: all 3 sides other than the rear are equally likely to be hit, but since you have 2 sides then they are twice as likely to present themselves than the front
+this does make some logical sense, neither the attacker nor the defender have any real control over the engagement so hits are distributed solely along surface area
+this is corroborated up until the israeli-arab wars, where side shots were still more common but front hits were getting more widespread
+the turning point was in the gulf war, where combat could take place at 2km distance with thermals to spot targets, making it much easier to keep the front to the target
+forgot the soruce on this but another factor is that western tanks now have giant turrets compared to the hull, and since the turret can turn to face the enemy its less likely to be hit on the side
+so the M1 is just presenting its turret front more often than its hull side compared to an M4A3, with a small turret and massive hull
+--- 57865924
+>>57865494
+Swastikas are verboten. Ukrainian government is working double time to distance and dissuade troops and units from displaying any nazi or far right insignias. Azoic is the best known example, from being a nationalists paramilitary group fighting in 2014 to a fully absorbed national guard group that now has its own rabbi and a greatly watered down emblem. Kiev is making sure they stay on top of the public image game and to make Russia’s Ukraine=Nazi rhetoric fall flat along with trying extremely hard for garnering support from Israel.
+--- 57865946
+>>57865906
+NTA, but that data isn't very useful because a hit to the sides from the frontal 60 degree arc is functionally a hit to the front.
+--- 57865976
+>>57865946
+if youre 60 degrees off-axis from a tank, then thats almost a perfect flank with the side far more visible than the front
+--- 57866013
+>>57865976
+60 degree arc = 30 degrees to either side, that would be 120 degrees in your example.
+--- 57866038
+>>57866013
+oh, did not know you meant it that way
+but using 0-180, most side shots occured between 60-120 degrees from the center in WW2
+the 6 day war and kuwait had the front hit more often, but the sides and rear averaged out, and yom kippur possibly being the only time when tank were really slinging it out in a small frontal arc
+--- 57866502
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Your armor is looking pretty thin today
+--- 57866690
+>>57861777
+hey, i have right image for that too
+--- 57866847
+>>57861373
+Leo1 has the same problem that BMPs and trucks have - the underlying "armor" is so thin it might get destroyed by the ERA itself.
+--- 57866862
+>>57861147 (OP)
+How useful it's gonna be depends entirely on
+>does it have thermals
+>does it have rounds that can pen basic bitch t-72s from the front
+If yes, its lack of armor doesn't really matter in this conflict.
+--- 57866928
+>>57866690
+Damn French ERA thick af
+Lookin fine
+I bet it's better than K-1 too
+--- 57866966
+>>57861169
+Whoever shot first, but given the Leo has thermals I'd bet on it to make that shot
+--- 57866980
+>>57866966
+>Whoever shot first
+Are you assuming T-55 can hit in first try?
+--- 57866984
+>>57866966
+>shot
+Hit. Don't forget that hitting is also required, and not at all trivial with a T-55
+--- 57866985
+>>57861147 (OP)
+It looks like a Panther with a turret bustle.
+--- 57867105
+>>57866985
+Panther is unironically better protected than it
+--- 57867116
+>>57867105
+But much slower, less reliable and less well-armed. And its additional protection is meaningless against any AT weapon manufactured from 1950 onwards.
+--- 57867122
+>>57861777
+>>57866690
+I love the BRENUS
+--- 57867212
+>>57862924
+STFU you know you want this. Don't tell anyone else either
+--- 57867337
+>>57861777
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOKFTTg6W5g [Embed]
+--- 57867411
+>>57862793
+>The Leopard 1 will be extremely vulnerable while assaulting infantry. Any AT whatsoever will punch through from just about any angle.
+Issue is that, recently we could see that Russians are also having shortage of motherfucking AT weapons
+--- 57867421
+>>57867116
+At least the Panther wouldn't die from an autocannon.
+--- 57867430
+>>57866984
+Or that Leo outranges T-55 considerably
+--- 57867439
+>>57867105
+the panther has 80mm at 55deg and 40mm at 40deg on the side, so ~140mm and ~50mm LOS armor
+leopard 1 is 70mm at 60deg on the front and 45mm at 40deg on the side, or ~140mm and ~55mm on the sides
+leopard 1 is actually slightly tougher than a panther hull-wise, but turret-wise the leopard 1 was already tougher than a panther at the start and got up-armored over time
+panther 1 had a 100mm curved gunshield, that provided more protection at the edges than the center
+leopard A1 has a somewhat complex armor scheme with a 65mm thick turret overlapping with the gunshield, providing a combined 100+ mm of thickness
+the A1A1 had add-on armor on top of the gunshield
+the A2 and A3 recieved a new welded turret which improved protection slightly by moving to HHA instead of cast armor, and making the gunshield and add-on armor a single piece
+the A5 supposedly has bolt-on composite armor in addition to the improved turret
+while the leopard 1 was designed with armor only meant for 30mm APDS rounds and of third priority to firepower and speed, its still has armor far superior to any panther
+--- 57867440
+>>57862924
+Easy enough to plate it then add Kontakt. Welding is far from difficult and not expensive. Laser or waterjet the plates (any job shop with a large outfit can do that), weld them in place with ERA mounts preinstalled and done. None of that is high precision work.
+--- 57867460
+>>57865001
+>What does PaHok mean?
+Morning
+In cyrillic:
+>P = R
+>H = N
+--- 57867461
+>>57861147 (OP)
+objectivly a worthy peer opponent to the T-series
+--- 57867470
+>>57863023
+>>57862793
+>>57862024
+Stop using war thunder as your primary source
+--- 57867493
+>>57867470
+in warthunder, you have a decent chance to beat T-72Bs with a 105mm gun frontally if you can get them dead center through the weakened zone
+you also have a decent chance to go through the side armor if they are angled even slightly due to APFSDS having very good grip against steeply angled surfaces
+in real life, no one is aiming for weakpoints, so you arent getting through those weakpoints every time
+but its still far from "never"
+--- 57867512
+>>57864582
+Y-y-yes, g-g-irl friend
+--- 57867518
+>>57861169
+T55 is essentially a ww2 tank while leo is a basically modern tank without the armor
+--- 57867523
+>>57864582
+I've been feminized
+--- 57867541
+>>57864415
+>Russian tanks can take a hit
+Lol
+Lmao, even.
+--- 57867598
+>>57866847
+Retarded post, 70mm of steel is more than enough to handle ERA.
+--- 57867606
+>>57864415
+Would be a shame if they replaced the WBG-X with something else during refurb.
+--- 57867608
+>>57861373
+There's no point to mount ERA on thin armor, because the increase in protection isn't enough to matter.
+--- 57867621
+>>57865924
+I feel like most of the German-inspired imagery is just IRL shitposting.
+--- 57867717
+>>57866847
+>>57867608
+Whats the deal with this fudd-posting? ERA against PG7-equivalent RPGS has been fielded on shitboxes like the M113 and M2 Bradley without problems, and those are vehicles with base armour that struggle against 7.62 AP and 14.5 AP respectably.
+--- 57867725
+>>57867717
+I always wondered if it had to do with applique armour turning the original armour thick enough for era to be placed effectively.
+--- 57867734
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Yikes
+--- 57867811
+>>57867493
+>in real life, no one is aiming for weakpoints
+Go read a WWII manual and experience reports. People have aimed for weak points for about a century now.
+--- 57868031
+>>57867811
+>Go read a WWII manual and experience reports
+at long range, people fired at whatever they saw since they would be lucky enough to just hit the target
+at close range, people fired as fast as they could at whatever they saw
+> People have aimed for weak points for about a century now.
+pamphlets telling people where to aim was a morale thing, trying to get crews to go into battle with at least a glimmer of hope that they could do something
+but in practice, people considered themselves lucky just to hit the enemy
+--- 57868101
+if ANY of you motherfuckers had pait attention in WoT, you'd know that the leopard is a medium sniper tank.
+SNIPER, as in "not meant for close combat".
+--- 57868318
+>>57867493
+Some nerds have been telling soviet MBT armor in war thunder overperforms about 25% for a year or two. If I recal correctly, they basically have the hull angle calculated in twice. Without that they match much closer to what Western analytics have told.
+--- 57868326
+>>57868318
+Yeah
+--- 57868360
+>>57867811
+In actual battle you aim at whatever you see first or the center of what you see.
+Nobody will aim at 'weakspots'.
+--- 57868660
+>>57862198
+Refurbished by War Thunder players
+--- 57868790
+>>57868101
+>wot
+>even being used when judging real vehicular combat
+lmao you're so delusional it hurts
+war thunder has at least a modicum of accuracy to it
+the Leopard is an MBT of the awkward high firepower but no high effectiveness armor era, thus not having been equipped to be protected against MBT cannons, but is intended to fight MBT's
+--- 57868799
+>>57868790
+>war thunder has at least a modicum of accuracy to it
+--- 57868803
+>>57861739
+This is an issue for countries where losing a few people gets media looking for a juicy story. Ukraine would absolutely sacrifice some unlucky fucks to keep their decent tanks in working condition as they're manpower-heavy but equipment-poor.
+--- 57868832
+>>57868799
+>wotbaby is perplexed that video game that actually put in *some* effort to model things correctly is closer to reality than bing bing wahoo arkade skinner box
+--- 57868918
+>>57868832
+Both of these games are 'arcade bing wahoo' games. In no military conflict ever are you going to see dozens of of mixmatched battalions of tanks engaging in an open area. Especially not the types and nations you see on the game. Unless you're playing Sim Battles (the least played one) you're getting meme tier combos. Not to mention WT having abyssmal penetration, deflection, armor, explosive, and basically every quality of impact weapons wrong or functioning improperly. There are dozens of vehicles with turrets that are nonfunctional, asinine rounds given to tanks and planes that never had them or would be equipped with them (Because the actual rounds would be too good. Meaning USA would dominate Russian and German ass)
+Having thrown 200hrs of my goddamn life into that shit. I can tell you factually that War Thunder is the least realistic bullshit ever. If it was actual 'sim' where things had their real values, rounds, and ballistic effects. It's an abyssal grind too unless you put money into the skinner box.
+--- 57868967
+>>57868918
+>Not to mention WT having abyssmal penetration, deflection, armor, explosive, and basically every quality of impact weapons wrong or functioning improperly. There are dozens of vehicles with turrets that are nonfunctional, asinine rounds given to tanks and planes that never had them or would be equipped with them (Because the actual rounds would be too good. Meaning USA would dominate Russian and German ass)
+Oh I am well aware
+>200 hours on steam
+lol lmao newfag
+come back to me when you have at least 500 hours of utter pure ingame match time
+--- 57868988
+>>57868918
+>200hrs
+cute :3
+--- 57869133
+>>57868660
+Needs at least 40 more bushes
+--- 57869663
+>>57861157
+ERA? More like ero am I right.
+--- 57870096
+Can someone deliver ERA meme with mgs cardboard box? I need it for science
+--- 57870147
+>>57861169
+T55 and T62 go to DPR and LPR militias.
+Most likely to be used as static fortifications / mobile fire support. Exactly like how Ukraine will use Leo1.
+--- 57870159
+>T-55s and Leopards
+Fancy tanks and tech mean nothing in real war. America is going to fight WW3 with M1A1s and M16A2
+--- 57870284
+>>57868988
+>you haven’t eaten enough shit to judge its taste come back at least after one metric tonne
+--- 57870292
+>>57861687
+Looks like a retarded elephant
+--- 57870372
+So will Ukraine use these things correctly as gun platforms in combined arms operations? I don't like the idea of seeing videos of lone Leo 1s yoloing enemy positions because slavs can't help but slav.
+--- 57870386
+>>57868988
+>>57868967
+>>57868918
+you have to be at least 18 of age to post here
+--- 57870429
+>>57870372
+>So will Ukraine use these things correctly as gun platforms in combined arms operations?
+typically the best tanks will be used for mechanized units
+since they will be spearheading the assault you want to concentrate as much power into a single point as possible
+and units riding in IFVs will want to protect their best units
+2nd-rate tanks and older tanks are more likely to be distributed among infantry rather than concentrated simply because they just need a working gun and some armor
+but it also makes sense to concentrate them into maneuver-capable forces even if they arent the main attacker because they can make local attacks that can nibble away at enemy defenses and elicit a reaction
+if these weaker forces are able to make a breakthrough then you can then commit the good tanks to exploit this turn of events
+its all about misdirecting the enemy of your intentions and creating pressure along the entire front line
+--- 57870515
+>>57861147 (OP)
+Not enough ERA. Luckily that can be easily fixed.
+--- 57870554
+There won't be a fulda gap larp in Ukraine, as much as everyone wants to see it.
+--- 57870811
+>>57870554
+It will rather be Desert Storm larp, I agree.
+--- 57870880
+>>57868967
+>come back to me when you have at least 500 hours of utter pure ingame match time
+Better advice would be to quit and never look back. The game is shit, unbalanced and only ever gets worse
+t. Someone with ~10000 rb matches since 2014
+--- 57871055
+>>57868101
+Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
+--- 57871064
+>>57868918
+>in no military conflict ever are you going to see dozens of of mixmatched battalions of tanks engaging in an open area.
+if there's ever was or will be a war that fits this description, it's this one
+--- 57871081
+>>57862063
+what am I looking at?
+--- 57871453
+>>57867122
+BRENUS :DDDDDD
+--- 57871534
+>>57871453
+:DDDDDDDDDD
+--- 57871617
+>>57870372
+Most video clips show a complete lack of combined arms operations by both Ukraine and Russia. The accelerated training timeline for Ukrainian soldiers bodes poorly for this changing. I expect a successful but also haphazard offensive with higher than necessary losses because the Ukrainians won't have the cohesion or understanding to employ their assets well.
+--- 57871669
+>>57864573
+Based
+--- 57871848
+>>57864303
+>8 bit camo
+So fucking cool.
+--- 57872202
+>>57862712
+that's a weird fleshlight
+--- 57872348
+>>57870386
+>he thinks anyone but manchildren play war thunder
+delusional faggot
+--- 57872463
+>>57870147
+Negro the militias are just russian troops now, both because of the referendum and because their forces were all destroyed multiple times over so now they're just Russian reservists transferred to them.
+--- 57872520
+>>57868326
+ERA didn't trigger
+also we don't actually know if there was a penetration.
+--- 57872529
+>>57872463
+>MFW I remember the Murz post last year where he complained that the LPR was so depleted of manpower that some of the recent mobilized still had the steel rods in their limbs from the injuries sustained in the previous mobilization wave
+--- 57872617
+>>57861147 (OP)
+the flashing light on top seems like a bad idea
+--- 57872818
+>>57872520
+>shot 2023.04.16 20.32.46.jpg
+lol, did they fix it?

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+-----
+--- 57861708
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYy8DDGJPwo [Embed]
+Explain yourself, glockfags.
+--- 57863085
+>>57861708 (OP)
+Three seconds into the video and i see a Jew Boomer. Discarded.
+Glock is at both ends of the bell curve
+--- 57863146
+>>57863085
+>Three seconds into the video and i see a Jew Boomer. Discarded.
+same
+--- 57863232
+>>57861708 (OP)
+only thing I would agree with is slide release
+--- 57863376
+>>57863085
+Glock is the ultimate mid gun, midwit
+--- 57864136
+>>57861708 (OP)
+Glocks are indeed pieces of shit and even budget stiff police departments are realizing what a POS it is due to all the recorded incidents of it failing. Every agency with deep pockets, the first thing they do is drop the Glock. Beverly Hills PD is one of the highest paying agencies in the country, FN509. LAPD next door, also has an ok budget, FN509. Irvine PD, various other rich agencies around OC, M&amp;P9. That's just in my locality that I know of. The Glock is only for broke ass agencies, it's the bottom of the barrel of acceptable sidearm you can get, and it's pretty obvious to see when you look at it objectively. It's sad to see so many other companies copying the cheapest possible POS on the market, but you retards actually started LIKING skimped slide releases, plastic triggers, plastic sights, no safeties, atrocious grip angles, etc. Of course this is just due to fanboyism, you like the brand because you bought into the notion that police departments actually pick them. They pick the one that best fits their budget and Glock being the Walmart of guns can always undercut the competition.
+--- 57864164
+>>57864136
+Oh did I forget plastic mags? You retards won't even buy some guns because "it doesn't take Glock mags!" Like you want it to take the worst pistol mags on the market... I would consider it a plus if a gun didn't take plastic wrapped cheap-o bullshit mags. That's another standard that Glock fanboyism ruined, mags are supposed to be steel through and through.
+--- 57864182
+>>57863085
+heh
+glock is german for bell!
+we are having so much fun
+--- 57864186
+Glocks are fine. They're ok and the fanboyism that appears hear is so uncalled for. It's honestly schizophrenic and sad.
+--- 57864921
+>>57864136
+>Glocks are indeed pieces of shit and even budget stiff police departments are realizing what a POS it is due to all the recorded incidents of it failing
+the only reason its popular in the first place is because glock charges the true manufacturer's cost (around $100-$150 each) to police departments, so civvies think it's "elite" or "professional"
+--- 57865216
+>>57863085
+You're not on the end of any bell curve. The only graph that can adequately explain your choice in handgun is the one showing a sharp increase in your tap water's lead content.
+--- 57865569
+>>57864921
+This makes zero fucking sense. The cars police use aren't considered elite cars, they're just piece of shit cars with minor speed modifications. Cops in Europe drive BMWs and shit, maybe we should look at what they carry if we want elite gear.
+--- 57865619
+>>57865569
+Why else do you think AR-15s are popular? 90% of gun people are wannabes
+--- 57865638
+>>57864136
+>glock bad
+>these glock clones are good though
+retarded word wall, dont post for 3 days
+--- 57865733
+>>57864136
+Having owned a 509 I can say without a doubt its worse in every way than a Glock. Even the trigger manages to be worse.
+--- 57865753
+>>57865569
+Most of them carry Glocks too though. As do every tier 1 spec ops unit in the western world and they have pretty much unlimited money for weapons procurement and can use unit funds for weapons not in the inventory of the rest of the military.
+--- 57866320
+>>57865638
+They're not clones they're that manufacturer's version of a cheap handgun. They're improvements over the Glock though.
+>>57865733
+People who complain about triggers usually have no training. I don't like shooting guns with triggers you can't feel or that are meant to "surprise" you when the gun fires. I want to feel the trigger being pulled, I want to know where the wall is. I don't need a crutch to avoid flinching upon recoil because I've shot enough to not flinch from recoil. It helps me to know exactly when the round is going to fire. The FN handguns have a gritty feeling and that's the best trigger I've ever felt in regards to knowing when the shot will fire. I love their triggers but hate the shitty 2 piece fake safety thing. Glock triggers are actually my second favorite, most people would say they're "mushy" or "spongey" but again I want to feel the pull and know where the shot is going to fire. Glock sets the point where it fires too far forward though as a crutch to appease noobs. You should not be fucking surprised when your gun fires, and you shouldn't have a trigger so light and smooth you can't feel that you're pulling it. The reasons should be obvious, but professional vs keyboard warrior.
+--- 57866492
+>>57865733
+My buddy runs a small gun store, and I have yet to shoot a FN that I've been impressed with. I want to like them, I just don't.
+--- 57866657
+>>57866492
+The American made FN stuff is just cheap glock clones. Don't prepare to be impressed, prepare to not spend a lot of money. I got my FNS for $450 when Glocks were $650, not sure how much fhe 509 goes for but it should be comparably priced. Now look at how cheap the optic cut one's are compared to a Glock. They come with ambi mag releases, metal mag release buttons that press easily, and metal sights standard. People typically swap the plastic Glock sights immediately and don't like the feel or lack of response to their stock plastic mag release. It's a better Glock for less money, but it's still similar to a Glock so don't expect to be too impressed. I wish companies would go all out and make super impressive guns but that's not what the market is demanding, they're demanding more cheap shit with mallninja bells and whistles.
+--- 57866723
+>>57866320
+>People who complain about triggers usually have no training
+I baby duck imprinted on a two pound SA competition trigger by putting thousands of rounds through my grandfathers 1911.
+Walther by far has the best out of the box striker trigger. No one else is even close. The Glock's break point is retarded up high like you say and it still manages to be mush city in the takeup.
+--- 57867087
+>>57861708 (OP)
+What's to explain? It's a relatively cheap handgun that in most conditions goes bang when fired and uhhh... Works? Idk bro, at the point where you're decking out a glock and availing yourself of the full might of the aftermarket, you're either like myself, and not privy to newer options that'll be better out of the box or you've got no right to complain because you're making the conscious choice to buy glock rather than buy something newer that's got what you want.
+Where I live Glock is one of the only (and most available) options that can be had with aftermarket support for red dot slides.
+--- 57868205
+>>57863085
+It works on brand recognition and market effects alone.
+--- 57868241
+>>57864136
+>be any western military specops unit with infinite choice, time and money
+>always ends up with glocks
+Really makes you think.
+--- 57868270
+>>57861708 (OP)
+it’s no CarniK Con, but I got a laugh out of it
+thanks op you fucking shill
+--- 57868398
+>>57868241
+It's literally fanboyism, it runs deep. Those guys aren't smart either. You call cops dumb all the time but don't realize soldiers are literal retards?
+--- 57868420
+>>57861708 (OP)
+>fat
+>likes anime
+>owns a flecktarn shirt
+>looks like a gremlin in the only range footage of his I’ve seen so far
+this man is clearly one of us
+--- 57869683
+>>57868205
+kek this but unironically
+--- 57869710
+Just get a sig p320 or something if you want something reliable
+--- 57869808
+>>57865569
+It doesn't make sense if you spend just a couple minutes thinking about it, but unfortunately a lot of gun buyers can't do that. Just as >>57865619 said about ARs, this is the reason why the handgun market swung so far towards striker-fired in the last 10 years. Striker-fired guns with no manual safety are easiest for training thousands of different people of varying skill levels and intelligence, so military and police agencies buy them. As a result, average Joes now think polymer striker-fired guns are the elite choice and make up shit about how manual safeties will get you killed and how DA/SA is too hard to learn. And just as Glock is bought because of its military and police presence, so is the P320. Before Sig got the army contract, nobody really gave a shit about the P320, but after everyone wanted one.
+--- 57869818
+>>57868420
+peak oldfag aesthetic
+--- 57869909
+>>57869818
+Holy shit, I knew I recognized this guy. I watched his Walther videos about 12 years ago. Cool to see he's still doing videos.
+--- 57870649
+>>57861708 (OP)
+>700 views
+Don’t shill your channel here you fat faggot with bitch tits
+--- 57870741
+>>57861708 (OP)
+Glocks are in the sort of akward position where they get worse the more you know aboug guns.
+Its perfect for entry level or duty carry, since there's no safety a retard can fuck up, it'll run perfectly fine for 1000s of rounds with no modifications, its lightweight, easy to carry, cheap etc.
+But the more someone knows about guns and the more they train, the less adequate the Glock will feel, due to trigger issues, not being able to carry decocked/no second strike ability etc.
+--- 57871788
+>>57868241
+Thats because militaries around the world aren’t really as well funded as the USA’s by a mile. Sidearms barely matter and are mostly given to officers, the kind of people who will use it more as a hammer than a weapon.
+>but American SF use it
+They have openly admitted to picking the lightest possible option of sidearm when arming themselves. They almost never use handguns so might as well go with the lightest piece of kit possible, which is a positive aspect of glocks that I almost never hear fanboys ever speak of.
+--- 57871790
+>>57868398
+>"I'm the *real* warfighter," he said from Wish.com gaming chair in his basement
+--- 57871799
+>>57871788
+>they have openly admitted
+Then surely you can provide the interview or training video where this was said.
+--- 57872182
+>>57871799
+>interview or training video
+Yeah man let me just pull up a special forces briefing because I didn’t just say that it had nothing to do with command making decisions for them.
+--- 57872733
+>>57872182
+So then it wasn't openly admitted and you're just talking out your ass.

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+--- 57861718
+Are shotguns better than rifles for home defense?
+--- 57861735
+>>57861718 (OP)
+No.
+--- 57861748
+>>57861718 (OP)
+I fucking love my shotguns. Rifles are neat and fun and have a skill of their own but shotguns are just fucking neat. I love them. They're just so satisfying. Pumps. Semis. Doubles. Singles. Bolts. They're just fucking fun fuck I love these fucking fuckers
+--- 57861755
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Yes
+--- 57861760
+>>57861735
+absolutely btfo by dubs>>57861755
+Rifle sisters..... it's over
+--- 57861762
+>>57861718 (OP)
+They're about even until you get 5+ guys willing to trade all of their lives to kill you (lol).
+--- 57861764
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Wouldn’t want anything smaller than a punt gun desu
+--- 57861775
+>>57861762
+What if you have 5+ guys willing to trade their lives to make love to you?
+--- 57861792
+It depends. I don’t recommend manual actions of any kind for home defense, because in a moment of stress, short stroking your pump (or forgetting altogether) can be a very real problem. Problem is, good autoloading shotguns are pricey, whereas decent ARs are on the cheap. You can also get rifles in much smaller packages, and the recoil is going to be more manageable.
+The appeal of a 12 ga. is that it’s pretty much a one-shot-stop. #1 and #4 buck will offer the desired “stopping power” without risking the over-penetration of 00.
+The argument of capacity can be offset by 12 ga. lethality vs .223/5.56, just like .357 vs 9mm. It’s going to come down to how well you handle recoil, and how much you trust your ability to hit the target.
+--- 57861801
+>>57861775
+Still even as you won't need or want a gun in that situation
+--- 57861803
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Depends on what you're comfortable with. I use a 10.3 DD m18 as my bedside gun while my dad uses a 12 Guage 18" Maverick 88 with 00 buck. A friend of mine uses a 9mm he caries daily.
+It's truly all dependent on what you train and feel comfortable with.
+I specifically use my 10.3 with 55gr IMI because I like having 30 rounds and I also live in a house with multiple people and neighborhood.
+That's me though but a 12 gauge with 00 buck is all you'll ever need lol anyone who says it's over kill is retarded.
+--- 57861805
+>>57861801
+Gunplay is sexy
+--- 57861942
+Nah, a short barreled AR with barrier blind loads is probably the best you can get. I still use a 1301 because my state is ran by island homos.
+--- 57862090
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Yeah, rifles can't shoot dragon's breath.
+--- 57862156
+>>57861718 (OP)
+I want that model so bad
+--- 57862458
+>>57861762
+This guy is living in a Rust server hahahaha
+--- 57862722
+OP you should test out each in a home defense situation and see what you like best. Can't go wrong with either.
+--- 57863102
+>>57861718 (OP)
+The largest hone invasion I've ever even heard of involved five men and was fought off with a revolver.
+Typically you're dealing with two armed men plus maybe a driver.
+Typically a fight involving a shotgun is resolved in the first two shots.
+Riflefags and carbinefags tend to downplay this fact but the injuries a load of #00 buckshot produce are pretty substantial and if you have drilled with your weapon, the slide action is very fast.
+I've never once short-stroked while shooting and adrenaline doesn't make you suddenly pull back softer.
+Could you be the victim of an infantry squad invading your home?
+Maybe?
+But the moment a guy sees his homie's head explode, is usually the moment he rethinks his life.
+And no, the sound of a shotgun racking will not make them crap themselves with fear and flee, if you pump it, you'll probably shoot it, so you'd better be serious about it.
+--- 57863147
+>>57861762
+Don’t start a gang war and that won’t happen retard
+--- 57863253
+>>57863147
+What's the tactical advantage of starting a gang war on your turf to get ballistics test data? Asking for a friend.
+--- 57863564
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Hi /k/, I need some advice about buying a SxS.
+I heard that Stoger guns are built in Turkey and that makes me question their build quality.
+Is it a good idea to grab one of their SxS models, or grab a cheap used European SxS (Simson, Brno, FEG, Husqvarna ) instead or is that also a fast way to piss away my cash
+--- 57863633
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Neither, something's wrong with you if you think murdering someone over a $200 TV is acceptable. You have so many other options that don't involve loss of human life.
+--- 57863735
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Yes
+>>57861735
+Idiot
+--- 57863764
+>>57863633
+I would absolutely kill to defend my territory, property and possessions and loved ones. My home is not your fucking niggerjunkietresspass safe space.
+--- 57863773
+>>57863764
+Cool murder fantasy, bro
+--- 57863877
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Overpenetration and liberal DAs make shotguns better choices but who knows. Live the life that makes sense for YOU ya fuckin ass.
+--- 57863892
+>>57863633
+Murder is a charge for a crime, home and personal defense does not garner such a title. Go be a pussy somewhere else.
+--- 57863942
+>>57863773
+Not him, but I hope that one day, niggers, spics, and white trash continually break into your home and disrespect you in front of your family. To the point that you're left with zero belongings and basically more poor than them. Don't you see nigger? It's not about the $200, it's that if every thief or would be rapist/murderer got the rope, it would incentivize them to work instead. Your slap on the wrist approach is what has turned cities into what they are today.
+--- 57863944
+>>57863633
+Idiot assumes that someone breaking in is trying to steal his cheap TV. You will end up dead sooner than later and no one will be sad.
+--- 57864026
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Shotguns for home defense make sense if even one of the following is true.
+>Cuck state (woke DAs or gimped rifles)
+>You train and are comfortable with shotguns (such as three gun competitions) since shotguns require more fine motor skills
+>It's all you can legally buy (cuck nation)
+>Over penetration is a massive concern (you can use #4 buck instead of 00)
+>You want a gun that will turn a man's head into an exploded watermelon or nearly remove a limb
+>Higher one shot stop potential
+My AR is in it's safe for "SHTF" fantasies, but my Benelli M4 is my beside gun for negroes, beans, and trailer trash.
+--- 57864069
+>>57862458
+When I play Rust, the Benelli M4 is the best gun to fight off a raid when they're inside your base or right outside your door. Even in video games, semi auto shotguns still confirmed CQB kangz
+--- 57864090
+>>57863944
+Statistics overwhelmingly agree that yes, vast majority of break-ins are mere burglaries. You have a 2% chance of your home getting burglared annually on average, and only 7% of that 2% result in criminal violence.
+Even when factoring in these astronomically low odds, you can opt for home security systems, dogs, deadbolts, alarms, broken glass on your rooftops, etc. BEFORE you think about splattering blood all over your carpet. But retards ITT of course want to look tough fantasizing about murdering someone over property.
+--- 57864132
+When I was a cop (I quit because its gay) I saw several people shot with 12 gauge shotguns and not a one lived to tell the tale. That said I keep a cheap Taurus 9mm with a lught on my nightstand because its easier to hop out and go check the yard or driveway with that inconspicuously than my 870. If I knew for sure somebody was kicking in my door I'd grab the 870 though
+--- 57864156
+>>57861718 (OP)
+nope
+the advantage of shotguns is just an availability one. In cucked places it is usually easier to get a shotgun than a centerfire rifle. People who hunt often own shotguns or did so in the past because versatile. They are cheap. In theory it looks better in a court that you shot someone twice with "pawpaw's huntin gun" than 16 times with a pistol or rifle.
+--- 57864210
+I'd rather have a full auto sub gun but absent that a Shotgun is king for one shot drops.
+--- 57864241
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Sadly, no.
+Rifles have better range, accuracy, rate of fire, larger capacity, faster reloads, and simular power with less recoil compared to shotguns.
+There is a reason why President Biden wants to ban modern sporting rifles and then tells people to get a shotgun instead. The government isnt afraid of people with shotguns.
+I really like shotguns and think they are svelte, but shotguns are just too useless to be anything more than a sporting good. Even cops have been dumping shotguns for AR15s ever since they got mogged in North Hollywood.
+--- 57864244
+>>57863102
+There was a home invasion in Torcongo recently with 6 intruders, homeowner killed 1 and the rest ran away. Idk for sure but I think shotgun.
+(Owner is being charged ofc because that's Canada).
+--- 57864248
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Pound-for-pound, yes. Meaning; the effort, training and money invested in shotguns protects a home more effectively than a rifle. Only a dedicated assault warrants the use of a rifle. If you do, using solely a rifle isnt enough for 99.9% of cases.
+--- 57864250
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Only if you can get an automatic one.
+--- 57864256
+>>57864090
+This is what liberals actually believe. Lol. Fucking retards.
+--- 57864258
+>>57863633
+The life of a burglar trying to steal a $200 TV from me is worth less than $200 though.
+It's worth negative $200 in fact if you do the math.
+--- 57864264
+>>57861762
+This.
+https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/terrifying-video-shows-connecticut-man-heroically-trying-to-fight-off-four-violent-thugs-in-attempted-carjacking/
+--- 57864289
+>>57864241
+Rifles are forbidden in many areas of the world because a militia armed with rifles requires magnitudes of investment from the govt to fight off. The reason why full auto requires part switching is to prevent NPC civilians from putting in danger cities and urban areas; the holy grail of globohomo. They can afford to lose rural areas, because its simply a matter of purchasing food for a steeper price for the elite from importation (militias cannot stop entire coastal areas at once; at maximum put pressure on infrastructure).
+A civilian with a full auto 9mm is much more dangerous than one with a semi-auto rifle; the conversion statistics wont be favourable when SHTF.
+--- 57864292
+>>57864241
+Shotguns lack capability vs body armor and cars, which is why the govt likes them more. They work great for popping street criminals breaking into your house. Its a false sense of security though, could also just aim for the hips and upper legs of any armored...street criminals if you had to.
+--- 57864332
+>>57864292
+Shotguns are great in CQB but lack the potential for damage in >100 yards. A militia with shotguns only needs to be fought in a favourable terrain; with rifles, its a different beast. In urban scenarios, even with body armor accounted, FA will always put the LEO on the defensive.
+--- 57864388
+>>57864090
+Tell all these cute statistics and options to the home invader. People like you are why crime flourishes. Its never their fault. You are pathetic.
+How about this for statistics, if you never break into a house you have a 0.0% chance of being shot breaking into a house.
+--- 57864391
+>>57863633
+It's not me who decided that murdering someone over a $200 TV is acceptable, it's the invader who decided a $200 TV was an acceptable thing to gamble his life with.
+--- 57864413
+>>57864090
+it'd be 0% if people shot everyone that broke in
+--- 57864449
+>>57864332
+Obviously? This thread is about home defense not militia shit
+--- 57864472
+>>57861792
+>I don’t recommend manual actions of any kind for home defense, because in a moment of stress, short stroking your pump (or forgetting altogether) can be a very real problem.
+Worse yet, if you pump a shotgun at a weird angle (like on its side because you fell or were knocked down) the shell can often just fall off the lifter and out the ejection port. Pump shotguns need good technique and ideal operating conditions to be effective.
+>>57863102
+>>57864244
+My favorite home defense story is the guy in 2019 who used an AK47 to fight off 5 home invaders. He killed 3 of them.
+https://policetribune.com/texas-homeowner-with-ak-47-fatally-shoots-3-armed-robbers-injures-2-more/
+Dont mess with that .30 cal.
+--- 57864479
+>>57864472
+based nog destroyer
+--- 57864493
+>>57864388
+>>57864413
+It'd also be 0% if you took simple, preventive measures beforehand that didn't immediately escalate to disproportionate violent response. Only psychopaths think like this
+--- 57864500
+>>57864493
+>It'd also be 0% if you took simple, preventive measures beforehand that didn't immediately escalate to disproportionate violent response. Only psychopaths think like this
+When you enter a man's home and safe haven, you are asking for everything coming to you. I don't give a shit what you think. Fuck around and find out. Nigger.
+--- 57864509
+if shotguns are so good for room to room shooting how come all the doorkicker death squads only use them on doorknobs? shotguns being good for hd is just ancient fuddlore from the times when your average fudd's options were down to a shotgun, a model 700 in 7 rem mag, and some shitty revolver in .32 h&amp;r. now that you can buy an ar for $500 there's no reason to keep perpetuating the meme other than cope because you fell for it.
+--- 57864523
+>>57864493
+Literally don't burglar. Just don't steal. It's that fucking easy. Why is this so hard to understand?
+--- 57864542
+Every burglar should have a shotgun barrel shoved up his asshole before the trigger is pulled.
+--- 57864551
+>>57864493
+>It'd also be 0% if you took simple, preventive measures beforehand that didn't immediately escalate to disproportionate violent response. Only psychopaths think like this
+--- 57864553
+>>57864493
+ok I'll lock my doors.
+Still mag dumping you if you try to break in though.
+--- 57864555
+>>57864500
+Again, thanks for proving my point that you're only interested in having your sick little murder fantasy play out
+>>57864523
+Who said or implied anything about disagreeing with burglaring?
+--- 57864586
+>>57864509
+>if shotguns are so good for room to room shooting how come all the doorkicker death squads only use them on doorknobs?
+I should have stopped reading right there; nothing intelligent could have followed that.
+I've actually been in a stack, and the guy with the shotgun will continue to use it through the entire building clearance, since we're usually in a hurry and nobody is going to stop to switch primary arms.
+>shotguns being good for hd is just ancient fuddlore from the times when your average fudd's options were down to a shotgun, a model 700 in 7 rem mag, and some shitty revolver in .32 h&amp;r.
+Back when full auto machine guns were less expensive and even California allowed 30 round mags?
+> now that you can buy an ar for $500 there's no reason to keep perpetuating the meme other than cope because you fell for it.
+You fell for the caprbinefag lore.
+Not our fault you blew several paychecks on a rifle you barely use and a metric tin of attachments, instead of a Mossberg 500, a flashlight and a thousand cans of 12 gauge.
+Shotguns are fine.
+--- 57864593
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Yes, 2 3/4" #1 buck baby
+--- 57864678
+>>57864586
+>I've actually been in a stack, and the guy with the shotgun will continue to use it through the entire building clearance, since we're usually in a hurry and nobody is going to stop to switch primary arms.
+Yes, but he is the only guy in the group using a shotgun as his primary and he only keeps using it for the very reason that you yourself point out. You know full well that guy would switch to his M4 after breaching the door if he could. Way to own yourself bro.
+--- 57864695
+>>57861718 (OP)
+>Better
+No
+>Still perfectly good
+Yes
+/k/ suffers from terminal larparator brain rot and can't see guns outside of any context other than shtf, which is why shotguns get so shat on around here because yeah, shotguns kinda suck in a full on warzone, HD against your garden variety nog is a much different scenario though and the weakness of a shotgun become basically meaningless when you look at the facts and statistics of basically every home invasion ever.
+--- 57864736
+Are those hollowpoint slugs a meme or do they actually cause hideous/hilarious overkill worth it?
+--- 57864757
+I only reach for it because I want to see what happens
+--- 57864767
+>>57863253
+Kek’d
+--- 57864791
+>>57863633
+"Dear Frederick, thank you for your nice post, but I am actually a man with functioning testicles whereas clearly you have mistaken me for some sort of wine-sipping Communist dick-suck. And although peace probably appeals to tree-loving bisexuals like you and your parents, I happen to be a death-dealing, blood-crazed warrior who wakes up every day just hoping for the chance to dismember my enemies and shoot someone over a $200 dollar tv."
+--- 57865002
+>>57863633
+Yes, the perfectly reasonable home invader will professionally remove just your television from the wall, tip his hat, and totally won't stomp your brains in on the way out.
+--- 57865193
+>>57865002
+Why do you immediately assume that they're there to kill you instead of the far more likelier scenario that they'll immediately fuck off once you make your presence known? Do you do this sort of unreasonable threat assessment with randos you see on the street every day?
+--- 57865197
+>>57865193
+>leftypol nigger constantly monitoring the thread for (you)'s
+lol
+--- 57865311
+>>57865197
+>no argument
+Concession accepted
+--- 57865328
+>>57865193
+He's willing to break into someones home to steal shit, he's desperate and low-IQ, a very dangerous combination you don't want to take any chances with.
+--- 57865350
+>57865311
+nta, not getting another (you) faggot
+--- 57865396
+>>57864586
+ok so you admit that everyone else has rifles because they're more effective and the only reason the one guy who use the shotgun on the door keeps using it is because it's not worth trying to swap. how many doors do you have to breech when you're defending your own house?
+there was that one story about how audie murphy asked a guy if he had a gun to protect his family from nigger riots and when the guy said no he gave him a m1 carbine. how come it wasn't a shotgun?
+--- 57865468
+>>57861942
+>island homos
+Kek
+--- 57865487
+>57865193
+Someone in your home uninvited is a completely different scenario than someone on the street you braindead retard and it's unreasonable to consider them anything other than a threat
+--- 57865570
+>>57865193
+>the far more likelier scenario that they'll immediately fuck off once you make your presence known?
+Not if I perform a citizen's arrest. One less criminal on the street is always a win.
+--- 57865836
+>>57863877
+>>57864026
+>>57864132
+>>57864593
+300 blk with frangible ammunition should be your go-to for HD.
+>low risk of over-penetration
+>heckin nasty wounds
+>short barrel for corners
+>common manual of arms
+>high capacity
+>lower recoil for faster follow up shots
+Fuck the DA
+--- 57867227
+If you're at rural or Rooftop Korean ranges, rifle. If they're making entry or inside the house, shotgun.
+If you're out walking, or asleep in bed, or in your car, the pistol is more convenient.
+This isn't rocket science ffs.
+--- 57867281
+My family has a shotgun but quite frankly, what is my home's greatest defense is also its greatest danger: that our next door neighbor is a drug dealer that somehow is not in prison despite the fact that it's pretty well-known that he's killed people before. So if shit is started on our street, odds are he's going to think they've come for him and he's going to murder everyone he doesn't recognize. So you know, here's hoping his aim is good.
+--- 57867404
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Why would I want something that has a similar form factor to a rifle yet
+>holds significantly less ammo
+>is significantly harder to reload
+>has considerably more recoil
+>is much less effective against any potential body armor a threat could be wearing
+Better than nothing, but under pretty much no circumstances would I ever consider a shotgun over my rifle.
+--- 57867435
+>>57867281
+>that our next door neighbor is a drug dealer that somehow is not in prison despite the fact that it's pretty well-known that he's killed people before.
+How is he as a neighbor though? An ex con lived next door to me with his family and he was the greatest neighbor ever, helped solve problems on the street and also beat the shit out of guys who were breaking into cars twice in 5 years. He also did some illegal shit but we didn't care about that.
+--- 57867444
+>>57867435
+He's a nice guy, I often see him playing with his dog in the backyard, but I wouldn't ever fuck with him.
+--- 57867471
+>>57867444
+Oh and also my mom always talks with his wife when they see each other out front so there's that going for us.
+--- 57867491
+>>57861748
+Fuck yeah boi
+--- 57867538
+>>57863564
+Turkish guns cn be fine, especially if they are being built in Turkey under a different brand, like Stoeger and winchester do. Its the random Turkshit companies mass producing gimmicky shotguns you need to steer clear of.
+Euro SxS's are fine and can be dirt cheap. Mine doesn't even have a brand on it, just says 'Belgium'. It's a solid gun still though.
+--- 57867558
+>>57861718 (OP)
+I'd make the choice based on you home situation, in a house with children and/gas stoves i'd pass on the rifles risk of overpen.
+--- 57867587
+>>57867404
+You much be from a very rich city if the tweakers wear kevlar.
+--- 57867788
+>>57864479
+>The dead were identified as Randy Torres, 18, Jonathan Flores, 24, and Joseph Montoya, 20
+Also holy fuck here's a /k/ thing I never really considered before - imagine killing armed retards invading your house then having to spend the indeterminate future dealing with their moms and sisters crying outside your house and calling you a murderer
+--- 57867849
+>>57867587
+you must be pretty naiive if you're worried about tweakers and not fema death squads
+--- 57867864
+>>57867849
+>IM GUNNA KILL DUH GUBBMINT AGENTS!
+No you won't.
+--- 57867906
+>>57867404
+You forgot the most important aspect which is the ability to introduce a malfunction by short stroking that isn't possible with a semi auto rifle, which is particularly applicable for the average retard's home defense gun since they're not gonna go practice but instead just let it sit under the bed for years.
+--- 57867909
+>>57864090
+Absolutely retarded take. Please tell us you don't have the right to vote, drive or own firearms.
+--- 57868069
+>>57861762
+My shotty holds 8+1 though
+--- 57868595
+>>57863735
+>idiot
+And yet you can't explain why.
+--- 57868647
+>>57861718 (OP)
+>Are shotguns better than rifles for home defense?
+I prefer my Roomba and my Mossberg
+--- 57868870
+>>57864678
+Knowing Jackson, he wouldn't have wanted to switch; he fucking loved that shotgun.
+>>57865396
+Because the needs of the military are VASTLY different from those a man defending his home.
+>there was that one story about how audie murphy asked...
+Without knowing more of the background it remains a story
+For all we know, Murphy just had the .30 Carbine laying around and gave it as a gift, instead of going to the trouble to purchase a new weapon.
+When my dad learned that I didn't have a gun, he gave me a Mosin-Nagant 91/30.
+Not really the best HD option.
+--- 57868933
+>>57867906
+As opposed to the ability to induce a failure to feed because the guy hasn't changed is mag out in six months and the feed lips are now slightly deformed?
+Because let's be honest: Joe Average isn't hitting up the range, no matter what gun he bought.
+--- 57868998
+>>57864090
+>Slimy euro-serf hands wrote this.
+Sorry son, but around these parts we have rules:
+>Talk shit get hit.
+>Fuck around and find out.
+>Stay strapped or get clapped.
+Somebody's comes uninvited into my house where my wife and daughter live, I don't know his intentions.
+He was dead the second he stepped inside, what follows is just a formality.
+Not a "fantasy", just the way things are done.
+--- 57869100
+no. ideal gun for home defense is a suppressed rifle firing subsonic ammo for the simple reason that it won't blow your ears out but still very effectively delivers a lot of hurt to the target.
+--- 57869588
+>>57861718 (OP)
+Ya
+--- 57869790
+I like the idea of a progressively loaded shotgun.
+Something like the Benelli M3 that is semi-auto but also can be manually pumped which I think it's beneficial for home defense since the sound of a pump action actuating can be enough of a deterrent during a home invasion/robbery scenario. So with a 5+1 capacity you can load bird shot, bird shot, buck shot, buck shot, slug, slug, slug.
+Even if you do "waste" your first shot with a manual pump to scare them off, you're only wasting bird shot (your detterent load) not the buckshot or slugs loaded later.
+If you want to forego the ability to scare someone away with the noise of the pump, then upgrade to the M4 or 1301 which both can come with 7+1 magazines which would allow even deeper magazine depth (for more deterrent shots, or more lethal shots depending how you want to load).
+--- 57869938
+>>57864493
+>It'd also be 0% if you took simple, preventive measures beforehand that didn't immediately escalate to disproportionate violent response.
+I consider shrapnel mines to be an appropriate level of violence for someone who wants to break into my home, but we haven't reached a level of society where shit like that is legal again. I know you're trawling for (You)'s, but there are people who legitimately believe it's better to part with personal possessions than defend their home. My question is, when does it stop? At what point is defending your home with potentially lethal force considered justifiable? Do they have to brandish a weapon? Do they have to kick down my door and loudly exclaim that they're here to rape my TV, eat my wife, and steal the apples from my fridge?
+There is no way to reach people who think like you with logic or appeals to emotion, because you are illogical and devoid of real emotions.
+--- 57870121
+Both are fine if you have a normal house. If you have really long interior shots, though, a rifle is better.
+I only have a rifle because realistic interior shots in my house are over 30 yards, I shit you not. When I lived in an apartment I kept a glock in the night stand because that was appropriate.
+--- 57870134
+>>57870121
+>I only have a rifle because realistic interior shots in my house are over 30 yards
+Lmao, no the fuck it's not.
+What sort of delusional world do you live in?
+Even the largest mansion in the united states would have a HANDFUL of locations where you could make 30 yard shots INSIDE the fucking house.
+--- 57870200
+>>57864090
+>You have a 2% chance of your home getting burglared annually on average, and only 7% of that 2% result in criminal violence.
+>82 million homes in the USA
+>2% or 1640000 homes burglared annually
+>7% or 114800 of those 1640000 burglaries, result in criminal violence
+This isn't the argument you probably wanted it to be.
+--- 57870229
+>>57869790
+Just load it all with birdshot. At indoor distances (&lt;5m) it will kill the intruder just as well, and you don't have to autistically count what "stage" of your magazine you are on.
+--- 57870230
+>>57870121
+>I only have a rifle because realistic interior shots in my house are over 30 yards
+Post your castle my liege
+--- 57870258
+>>57870229
+You wouldn't count, you'd simply know the deeper you go the more lethal you get.
+Also, bird shot is not fucking lethal at close up, even with a shot to the head bird shot wont assure a kill. You CAN get lethal shots, but you sure as fuck shouldn't EXPECT them.
+--- 57870287
+>>57870134
+30yds might be a bit much but there are a lot of houses in the US that are essentially just one long hallway with rooms attached. Especially older houses that have been remodeled at some point where they just add more hallway to expand. Very common in Florida.
+I can only speak for the South but I've lived in two houses that you can see the front from the rear of the house, as well as through every doorway, kitchen and living room. Pretty close to 30yds at least.
+Though I'm not sure I would want to take an engagement at that distance in a house as it would effectively be a CS:GO angle and it would be hard to ID the target. Sounds like a good way to accidentally shoot grandpa.
+--- 57870318
+>>57870287
+30-40 feet maybe, but 90 fucking feet? No, you're simply mistaken.
+--- 57870479
+>>57870258
+What the fuck are you smoking? At less than 5 meters birdshot is lethal.
+--- 57870500
+>>57870479
+Again, it CAN be lethal.
+If you think birdshot is 100% lethal at less than 5 yards, I've got a bridge in London i'd love for you to purchase.
+--- 57870509
+>>57864264
+this was sad to watch what were you even trying to prove?
+--- 57870520
+>>57870500
+>hurr durr
+Rifle isn't necessarily lethal at less than 5 yards either, but you didn't bother to make that correction, now did you?
+--- 57870540
+>>57870520
+Because birdshot is DEMONSTARBLY not lethal at that range unless you get a headshot, and even then it's not assured lethal.
+A limb or body shot at 5 yards is almost certainly NOT lethal unless you got really lucky hitting something vital.
+Also "rifle" is such a broad category I easily COULD make that argument. .17 HMR or .22LR certainly are NOT 100% lethal at 5 yards either, even with headshots.
+--- 57870544
+>>57863633
+Shit nigga, I'd PAY $200 for the opportunity to blast a violent criminal with my 12 gauge and not go to jail. Why do you support those who prey on others?
+--- 57870557
+>>57870540
+You are the dumbest person on /k/ right now.
+--- 57870665
+>>57870557
+IDK, claiming birdshot is a lethal loading is pretty FUCKING retarded.
+--- 57870669
+>>57870479
+Show gel test results
+--- 57870853
+>>57870669
+https://youtu.be/zaR1EVybUgc [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/Z16weqEQK0s [Embed]
+>penetrates ribs
+>penetrates 10-12 cm of ballistic gel
+>not lethal
+>>57870665
+You are the dumbest motherfucker I've spoken to in ages.
+--- 57871157
+>>57861718 (OP)
+No. The 1-shot BTFOness of shotties is great but follow-up shots are more important and semis are more finnicky by design.
+>but hurr durr how can you miss a shot at 10 feet train harder bruh, muh cuck costa's art of the defensive boomstick, etc.
+Shit happens nigger. Real life can be batshit insane so your best bet is shooting under batshit insane conditions. If you think you will never short stroke your mexiberg 88 try shooting in:
+>low light
+>after your dominant arm has been in a tourniquet for 1 hour
+>15-20 minutes after being maced
+>out of breath enough that your diaphragm starts to spasm harder than kurt eichenwald playing Wipeout 2097
+>sleep deprived/hangover (but not drunk, that's an ND waiting to happen)
+>borderline ODing on monster ultra
+And if you're a young buck and your body can take it, training when you're sick is unironically a good idea. Doesn't matter the affliction: goyvid-19, a bad case of the shits or bilateral pink eye, it's all good. Yes, you will shart yourself when going prone or have an ND (use birdshot for the love of God) and that's a GOOD THING.
+If all this sounds incomprehensibly LARPery to you, even tame shit like boomer action shooting and IPSC will provide some degree of stress inoculation. Fuck even shit completely unrelated to funz will do, whether it's playing with a band live or trying to pick up milfs at a tiki bar.
+tl;dr: stack up enough stressors and your body WILL fuck up. If you don't see your body fuck up you're not training hard enough.
+>>57867788
+That's something that pops up every now and then. Babymomma's trying to milk you dry in civil court (see Bernie Goetz) are a given but there's also the possibility of the thug's associates trying to avenge their homie (that jeweller in LA who had to fend off a whole gang worth's of attacks before finally moving out).
+--- 57871186
+>>57864241
+>muh sporting rifle
+Anon, you don't have to pretend here. Autoloaders are tools of war.
+--- 57871295
+>>57870853
+Now go through a heavy hoodie/jacket + t-shirt, or jeans.
+Also most people have a bit of fat to them which adds even more resistance before you can hit a vital area.
+Birdshot simply isn't a good lethal loading, even more so if the assailant is potentially on various stimulants or other drugs which could allow them to shrug off even many lethal wounds for a short period of time.
+--- 57871420
+>>57865193
+Why do you value my property more than your life?
+--- 57871422
+>>57871295
+None of the shit you mentioned will significantly reduce the impact of full on birdshot hit at less than 5 yards. Stop digging your own grave and just take the L and fuck off.
+Birdshot at less than 5 yards range is lethal, barring shit that isn't lethal for other guns either, like limb shots.
+--- 57871448
+>>57871422
+It wont even penetrate ribs or your sternum, it MIGHT penetrate the skull depending on how close you are.
+Again, it CAN be lethal, but it's hardly assured, even at 5 yards.
+there are people who have eaten buckshot through the mouth and lived, let alone birdshot.
+--- 57871585
+>>57871448
+>It wont even penetrate ribs or your sternum, it MIGHT penetrate the skull depending on how close you are.
+I literally linked a video that showed birdshot penetrating ribs.
+>Again, it CAN be lethal, but it's hardly assured, even at 5 yards.
+Just like every other gun and caliber ever created.
+>there are people who have eaten buckshot through the mouth and lived, let alone birdshot.
+That isn't because birdshot is less lethal, but because they were retarded (like you) and weren't aiming at immediately lethal hit locations. You can shoot someone's jaw off with a 30-06 and not manage to kill them, and it doesn't mean it is somehow not lethal caliber.
+If I shoot you directly in the face from 5 yards with birdshot, you're dead. If I magdump you in the shins with an AR15 from 5 yards, you'll likely live if someone wheels you off to get medical attention.
+--- 57871752
+>>57865836
+Nah, I'd rather not be a homosexual. Begone Satan.
+--- 57871776
+>>57867788
+>What is best in life?
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_XUu3_pLPUE [Embed]
+--- 57871780
+>>57861718 (OP)
+No, just by virtue of simplicity of arms.
+pull trigger, shoot badguy > pull trigger, pump, shoot badguy.
+Simple as.
+--- 57872022
+>>57861718 (OP)
+/k/'s ability to do threat analysis is generally terrible and statistically-speaking most of the people posting on this board don't own a single gun and if they do, it's probably a single gun. As a bunch of degenerate weapons fetishists with autism we also tend to get emotionally invested in individual firearms choice to a degree that's frankly retarded. This is all to say: take opinions here with a grain of fucking salt.
+Most people talking about muh short-stroking don't have enough experience with one to speak on the topic. Most probably don't own a shotgun. Shortstroking is a skill issue, and you should be practicing with a gun you intend to trust your life with. I'm 33 years old and have been shooting since 1994 and have not short-stroked a shotgun since I was so small that I needed my father's help to hold up the gun. I have hunted and competed with shotguns and it's as valid a criticism as saying that you should not use a glock for home defense because limpwristing can cause stovepipes: the only appropriate response is "git gud" and move on.
+Moreover, as someone who has used an AR platform rifle indoors in the dark professionally, if you're planning on making that shit your home defense tool (and again realistically the people most invested in this argument probably AT BEST own either a single AR or a single shotgun), get a can for it and plan on donning earpro before you shoot because that pressure impulse in a dark enclosed space is a motherfucker, particularly if you're not prepared for it and ESPECIALLY if you're not wearing earpro. Decibel reading charts are deceptive on this topic because of the significantly lower pressure of 12ga but it translates to a more comfortable experience, again, unless you're also planning on investing in a can (and I'd be shocked if this thread didnt consist almost entirely of PSA, Ruger, or M&amp;P owners on one side and Maverick 88 owners on the other).
+--- 57872126
+>>57872022
+Hit character limit but my last comment before seething retards come out of the woordworks to try and pick apart what I said there:
+Out of all my possible choices for HD, multiple ARs and AKs and 9mm pistols in various configurations for various uses, including the g19 I carry literally every day, my bedside weapon is a mossberg 590 because at the likely ranges I will fire a weapon in my house all of the pros of a shotgun apply and none of the cons are strong enough to make me choose a different weapon. I'm not particularly hung up on the threat of a team of determined attackers in body armor, and I guess if I ever find myself on the wrong end of a turf war or likely to get no-knocked by a swat team I might rethink that, but as it stands my most likely threat is a tweaker looking for precursor chemicals or copper.
+Bonus: any loading that will reliable kill a human being is going to go through more interior drywall than you have in your house (unless you're His Majesty up there claiming to have 30M lines of sight in his house lmao) so quibbling about overpen is also engaging in the wrong kind of autism on this topic. Pic related
+--- 57872370
+>>57864791
+Based Generation Kill enjoyer
+--- 57872536
+>>57870853
+>relying on shot I routinely find stick in birds I've shot at close range using a 28" barrel
+No thanks. Birdshot is for shooting birds and that's it.
+--- 57872687
+>>57872536
+>at close ranges
+Define close range.
+--- 57872892
+>>57872687
+BirdshotRetardAnon I personally grew up with a kid who while hunting accidentally shot his dad in the face from across a forest service road, maybe 25 feet distance plus some brush in the way, and his dad literally only had minor cosmetic damage he didn't even spend the night in the hospital.
+--- 57872948
+>>57863102
+I've been told all you need is a double barrel shotgun that you shoot into the sky and the criminals will flee.
+--- 57872958
+>>57872948
+Isn't it time for you to get some ice cream, Mr. President?
+--- 57873317
+>>57872022
+>it's as valid a criticism as saying that you should not use a glock for home defense because limpwristing can cause stovepipes
+kek that IS a valid criticism. If your nightstand handgun is not a metal-frame full-size you're retarded.
+Is it a skill issue? Yes and no. But you're presuming your skills will be 100% there when you need them. What happens if your body can't cope with the adrenaline dump. What happens if you're hungover? What happens if them Alex Jones supplements got you acting goofy? What happens if your kid bonked you on the head with a softball bat earlier in the day and you're half-contused without realizing it?
+You want to give yourself the best chances to not fuck up and compact plastic-o-matics with shitty triggers don't provide that.
+>inb4 but muh training commonality or some other larperator BS

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+--- 57861832
+Bullpup General /bpg/
+Talk about bullpups, post pictures of bullpups, talk about how gay you think bullpups are and how you should just buy an AR15
+--- 57861899
+>>57861832 (OP)
+When will we finally get a bullpup 357 mag semi auto carbine?
+--- 57861947
+I need an Austrian barrel, I have every other part made in Austria but not a barrel. I was bidding on a 16” Austrian barrel but was busy the day the auction ended and missed out, and 20” Austrian barrels are rarely if ever for sale anywhere anymore. I’ve got US made barrels and an Australian barrel but I just want a proper Steyr manufactured and finished barrel. I’m on the verge of buying a current production 20” barrel but what’s holding me back is the thread pitch. I’d prefer chrome but don’t really care that the barrels are now nitride but I want an original tulip flash hider on the barrel, not an A3 style birdcage. I just want the original 20” barrel look but 1/2x28 original tulips don’t exist.
+--- 57862327
+>>57861832 (OP)
+Based.
+AUG is the best bullpup
+--- 57862850
+>>57861832 (OP)
+Bullpups are gay, get a real gun losers.
+--- 57862919
+>>57862850
+I agree and the only saving grace for all bullpup going to be once again Murican made
+--- 57862930
+>>57862919
+As a bullpup lover, this is vaporware and is going to fail.
+--- 57862966
+>>57862850
+get a gun, nogunz
+--- 57862977
+>>57862919
+I think you mean Aussie made
+--- 57863127
+>>57862977
+Aussies are cucks and stopped plans for all civilian exports (regardless of country) because of a false flag mass shooting. They're going to eventually cave and buy LMT like New Zealand did or build licensed ARs down the road.
+--- 57863160
+>>57863127
+We already bought Barret, so maybe we will buy more American gun companies, as you suggest.
+>ARs down the road
+Possibly, or more likely, the next Aussie bullpup but in 6.8
+--- 57863246
+>>57863160
+You had to buy Barrett because none of your companies make any money or have relevant numbers of civilian sales.
+--- 57863607
+>>57863160
+I would coom if there was an AUG 2.0 in 6.8
+Too bad Steyr is clinically retarded, and Australia is mad gay so we can’t have nice things
+--- 57863617
+>>57863607
+*for civilian sale
+--- 57863754
+>>57861947
+>Australian barrel
+What?
+--- 57866421
+>>57863160
+I'd buy a Barrett EF88, just saying
+--- 57866433
+>>57862327
+>>57861947
+What the fuck is good about this autism
+There simply isn't a single bullpup that is as reliable and modular as an AR15
+What is the claim to fame here, that it's le heckin epic CoD gun?
+--- 57866450
+>Grabbing goyims jaws off the floor since 2003 baby
+--- 57866470
+>>57866433
+1. it's arguably more modular than an AR since the modules come apart without the use of tools
+2. it's more reliable than an AR based on Australian military testing and offers the same barrel length in a significantly shorter package
+3. it looks cool, which is ultimately all that matters
+--- 57866473
+>>57866450
+This is the older consoomer only version
+picrel is a more accurate arab destroyer
+--- 57866483
+>>57866470
+kek 3 is fair
+Does 2 hold any water? Has anyone outside of Australia tested it? We already know how trusting the Australian government goes
+--- 57866563
+>>57866483
+>Has anyone outside of Australia tested it?
+The Austrians seem happy with theirs, and it occasionally pops up in use by various tribal rebels, etc. who'd have no reason to put up with its bullshit if it didn't work at least as well as an AK or M16 under the same conditions.
+--- 57866598
+>>57866563
+Actually pretty based
+Do I take the augpill bros?
+--- 57866713
+>>57866598
+It has the longest and strongest track record of any bullpup you can reasonably buy and with some creativity and flexibility you can set it up for anything you'd reasonably use a 5.56 rifle for, and prices are as low now as they've ever been, with new guns regularly going for ~$16–1700 bucks. Why not?
+--- 57866777
+>>57866473
+a rifle only an infantryman could love. so perfectly fucked up
+--- 57866912
+>>57866598
+>>57866713
+We’re also living in a golden age of AUG aftermarket parts
+--- 57867225
+>>57866483
+>We already know how trusting the Australian government goes
+Yes, but when it comes to putting hardware through it's paces, Australian military procurement testing is one of the worlds harshest and excessive
+--- 57867712
+>>57862966
+How you liking that m17
+--- 57869963
+>>57863754
+What about it?
+>>57866433
+Who cares, luv me ARs but LUV me AUGs
+--- 57870015
+>>57866473
+>>57866777
+It's honestly impressive how they designed it so that literally everything about it looks wrong and ugly. Most guns with questionable aesthetics are mostly right with a misstep here or there, but that thing looks like someone took multiple passes over the drawing board to make sure every design element that might be coherent or visually pleasing was deliberately removed.
+--- 57870819
+>>57867712
+it shoots n stuff
+--- 57871402
+>>57870015
+which is funny when you realize they supposedly designed the gun from the outside in with ergonomics at the forefront, yet it seems like every successive iteration to the Tavor makes it uglier and less wieldy
+--- 57872593
+>>57871402
+they designed it to look cool and reality set in. not a joke. that's why they all have quadrails with the goofy rail covers that make the handguard pigfat
+--- 57872636
+>>57872593
+It's a shame but that's the price you pay to stay modern
+--- 57872691
+>>57872636
+vampire light and a microprism is all ya need. just BAC bro
+--- 57873005
+>>57872691
+Yours get super hot at front?
+--- 57873016
+>>57866713
+>AUG going for the price of a really good AR
+>GAYTF trying to make braces illegal
+You might have convinced me to switch teams, anon
+Are build kits a thing? I hear that there's quite a bit of work needed to bring them on par with modern rifles so it'd be nice to just get it that way from the get go
+--- 57873193
+Are we ever going to see any of the various modernized AUGs for sale in the US or should I just get one now? Im not in a huge rush but im also worried about them getting banned.
+--- 57873260
+>>57873193
+How is the current A3M1 not modern enough?
+--- 57873288
+>>57873260
+The EF88 has many modernizations and tweaks the AUG would benefit from. The AUG does still have some funky ergonomics quirks especially with modern optics, light, lam set up. It's still more than serviceable and certainly more modern than shit like AKs but Steyr could do better. They seem more keen on making an AR15 with the AUG gas/barrel system than updating the existing system.
+--- 57873297
+>>57873260
+Because the nato version doesnt have a bolt release and the non nato version doesnt take all the magazines ive got.

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+--- 57861858
+Hi i want a shitter gun for cheap that I can beat up and not give a fuck about. What's the best choices? How cheap can beat to shit berettas be had?
+--- 57861871
+>>57861858 (OP)
+You ever heard of a hi point?
+--- 57861884
+>>57861858 (OP)
+That bersa is pretty good. You get the double stack variant and you'd be set. Although idk where or how you'd get a holster for it.
+--- 57862719
+>>57861858 (OP)
+Jimenez Arms is pretty good shit, as in good at being shit
+--- 57862800
+>>57861884
+Public service announcement. Be very gentle on the slide lock for those. I have now owned two of those and using the lock lever to drop the slide will wear the lock cut on the slide out very quickly...I don't think the slides are heat treated very well. You'll end up with a slide that will only lock open if an empty mags it.
+--- 57862945
+one of these if youre cdn
+--- 57864475
+>>57861858 (OP)
+>that I can beat up and not give a fuck about
+Any gun worth owning should be able to be beat to shit and work
+If your glock cant hang or your 92fs you are babying these utterly average guns.
+Stop treating non war relics are gold.....paint your guns fag
+--- 57864570
+>>57861858 (OP)
+I would get a cop surp gun in .40 as a beater, you're going to be paying the same price as shooting .380 but you get a better gun
+--- 57864650
+>>57864570
+Good answer, conversion barrels for glocks 23-9mm are around $150
+--- 57866673
+>>57861858 (OP)
+PSA Dagger on a daily deal
+--- 57866711
+Tokarevs are the poor man's [INSERT 5.7 PISTOL] they'll go through armor
+--- 57866740
+>>57861858 (OP)
+The FMK 9C1 is a pretty cheap Glock clone. You can probably get one below $250
+--- 57866753
+https://lockedloaded.com/product/sar-usa-sar9st-sar9-double-9mm-luger-4.4-171-black-interchangeable-backstrap-grip-stainless-steel
+https://gun.deals/product/sar-usa-b6c-9mm-compact-pistol-black-polymer-frame-31999
+https://gun.deals/product/sar-usa-b6c-9mm-38-barrel-3-dot-sights-thumb-safety-od-green-13rd-31999-after-code-welcome20
+--- 57866770
+>>57864570
+This is a good choice. You can get a police trade in M&amp;P in .40 for under $350, easily, and it'll come with 3 mags and night sights. It'll already have holster wear and has no real collector value so thrash it all you want. It can handle the abuse.
+--- 57867075
+>>57861884
+The Thunder in 22lr is good, but buying it on 380 its a big mistake, they usually tend to break the slide with that caliber. If you want one that is bigger than 22lr then get the TPR in 9mm or 40, those even come with lifetime warranty.
+--- 57867189
+MR73
+--- 57869314
+>>57861884
+Bersas crack frames and slides all the time with incredibly low round count.
+You want cheap but works? Get a taurus g3c or GX4, or a PSA dagger. You could try rolling the dice on a turkish handgun aswell.
+--- 57869508
+Cheapest Berettas I can think of are the 1951s since no one wants them, but they're pretty neat despite being Eurojank as fuck. Despite looking like it was made with rocks mine is very smooth.
+--- 57869573
+>>57861858 (OP)
+>>57861884
+Bersas a great. I’ve had no issues with mine. Paying 299 for a pistol of this quality is basically unheard of. Also holsters are easy to find stfu.
+--- 57869693
+>>57869314
+Show a cracked frame or slide of a bersa 380 plx
+--- 57869700
+>>57867075
+380 cracked bs
+--- 57869729
+Just get a Hi-Point
+--- 57871279
+Psa daggers are really good. I don't really know what you'd get for more money. Its well built and just is what it is. You can save quite a lot by either buying the frame and slide separate, or getting a bundle with 10 mags.
+--- 57871364
+>>57862945
+Didn't Trudeau make it illegal to buy or sell pistols in Canada?

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+-----
+--- 57862171
+I'm working on a video about the general history of the FAL, any cool anecdotes or things you think I should mention? Intro preview:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_OZB1iGLQ [Embed]
+--- 57862200
+>>57862171 (OP)
+Goes into the entrenched interests blocking its adoption in the US in favor of the M14
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mby4hOq-DpI [Embed]
+--- 57862219
+>>57862200
+big time i wanted to talk about how we insisted on FAL using .308 then used a different inferior design
+thanks for the link boss
+--- 57862891
+>>57862171 (OP)
+bump
+--- 57863046
+>>57862219
+They said they didnt want to use it because the modularity of the m14 was similar to the m1garand, when in reality it was because Rene Studler is a giant faggot and hates American civilians
+--- 57863092
+>>57862171 (OP)
+Fuck off Beto
+--- 57863211
+>>57862171 (OP)
+Audio sounds really quiet
+--- 57863268
+>>57863211
+gotcha ill turn it up abit in the final cut appreciate it
+--- 57863298
+After the Indian Army decided to adopt the FAL as their service rifle in the 1960's, they ran afoul of FN Herstal. FN demanded the payment of royalties and the institution of their own machinery and technicians in the manufacturing process. The Indians did not agree with this and instead began to design a weapon of their own using both the FAL and the L1A1 as references. The result, the Ishapore 1A, was a hybrid of metric- and inch-patterns, which renders its parts incompatible with other FAL variants. When FN found out, they got pissed and threatened to sue until then-PM Jawaharlal Nehru managed to placate the company by placing additional orders for Belgian-made FALs, FALOs and MAGs.
+(According to my research, the aforementioned 1A is the original version. The 1C is a full-auto variant intended for port gunners while the 1A1 is a copy of the L1A1.)
+--- 57863348
+>>57862171 (OP)
+It's a cheap cobbled together turd compared to the G3 and everyone who's not a weak baby prefers the G3.
+--- 57863353
+>>57863298
+sweet im definitely gonna screenshot this and reference it in the video, thanks Strelok
+--- 57863370
+>>57863348
+you like G3s because a crate of them got shipped here in the 80s and your dad bought 2 of them. I've fired both the FAL is a mans rifle G3 is for brown people to shoot other brown people point blank in the head
+--- 57863371
+>>57862171 (OP)
+appreciate the hotline miami music in the back
+you gotta put your voicelines through some rendering you sound lazy as fuck in there
+the video itself seems cool, good luck.
+--- 57863394
+>>57863353
+Be sure to post a link.
+--- 57863400
+>>57863371
+bro i was high as fuck and bored at like 3am last night you're exactly right i'm gonna record those parts again, im gonna google voiceline rendering im simple
+--- 57863865
+>>57862171 (OP)
+Might as well post this here, an archive of FAL and FAL-related pictures:
+https://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FAL/
+--- 57863975
+>>57862171 (OP)
+Perhaps not super important information but potentially cool would be talking about the more modern FALs like Ireland's FAL DMR or the various attempts to make 5.56 models
+--- 57864811
+>>57863370
+>Bong teeth drooled over this typed fantasy cope.
+--- 57865413
+>>57863865
+Why is there a radiation symbol on that scope?
+--- 57865436
+>>57865413
+tritium i guess.
+--- 57865508
+it's well known but make sure to mention that the guy who designed it is the same one that finished browning's hi power.
+--- 57865785
+>>57862171 (OP)
+It's a knockoff SVT40
+--- 57865808
+>>57865413
+Thoriated glass. Thorium-232. Used until the 1970s.
+--- 57865834
+>>57865508
+rep my nigga Dieudonné Saive
+--- 57865862
+>>57862200
+Chris is really knowledgeable about the AR family, particularly from his experience working at Colt but he is deep on the M14 hate bandwagon. In that video he railroads it as a story of FAL amazing, M14 worst rifle ever made because muh corruption.
+In reality the FAL candidate and the original Springfield prototype (which was nothing like the M14 or Garand) both shat the bed during arctic trials and Springfield's backup rifle did really well. That's where interest started to switch towards the M14 we ended up adopting.
+There were serious production problems with early M14s as well, but had we licenced the FAL and built it here would we have avoided the same issues? It's impossible to say for sure, but seeing as how many stemmed from US DoD approved vendors not really taking the task at hand seriously rather than the design itself being flawed I can totally see them cranking out fucked up, unreliable and inaccurate FALs as well.
+TL:DR in researching about the FAL be weary about people who overly circlejerk about the M14 because it's an echo chamber and they tend to cite bad or incomplete sources to satisfy bias confirmation. The FAL and M14 are equally good/bad in different ways, just the priorities of the US military were not a good fit for what the FAL offered so we didn't adopt it. Simple as.
+--- 57865879
+>>57862171 (OP)
+Make sure you mention how Belgian butthurt led the Germans to design a superior rifle.
+--- 57865957
+>>57865862
+The design was already antiquated for its time and while sure the M14 is decent when you play to its strengths it is definitely a clear cut example of regressionism in military tradition and sticking to what you know for the worse, there are many tests that were done later on that showed that service members in 'Nam had their lives saved by the abilities that the M16 offered, particularly the manual of arms when it comes to maneuverability and not just being a Garand with a magazine.
+Sure the heat the M14 gets in retrospect might not all be warranted, but Studler was also a shill for Springfield because he was a former head there and they had him in their pockets. Its pretty cut and dry that corruption in the MIC is what led to the M14s adoption as they ran the AR10 and FAL through extra tests with over pressured ammo that the M14 didnt have to go through, then waived their hands and went "well, I guess this is the best design" like ingenuine assholes they were
+--- 57865987
+>>57865957
+I bring up the M16 because it more or less had the same ergonomics as the AR10 and FAL to some extent just scaled down and if we had started with that as a base as opposed to "muh wood and steel is a real rifle for war" and improved upon that with barrel lengths, magazine size, etc we would've been far better off than we were in our timeline where sticklers to doctrine refused to evolve with the battlefield
+Its an lasting stain and embarrassment that the Soviets of all people who dont give a shit about tactics or conscript ability were the first to see the advantage of the intermediate cartridge and the "Assault Rifle" manual of arms, and that we slacked behind for the sake of maintaining tradition
+--- 57866047
+>>57865957
+To boot on top of that the Garand itself was plagued with the same issue as it was originally designed to have a detachable box mag as well but once again MIC tards and upper brass went "well this might not be cost effective since troops will waste ammo, we need to artificially handicap them and turn it into an en bloc system"
+tl:dr, we couldve had something in the '40s that was essentially the M14, but retards said it would be too OP and scaled back, then given the new trials for a NATO standard service rifle someone else tries once again to innovate and yet again retards go "nah, too risky lol" and proceed to stay behind the times
+--- 57866818
+>>57865834
+How does one pronounce his name?
+Dyu-doh-nay sah-yeev
+That right?
+--- 57866837
+>>57862171 (OP)
+The first promotional video for the FAL started with “reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight”
+--- 57867566
+>>57862200
+remember what they took from us
+--- 57867939
+>>57866818
+Dee-U-Don Sow-V. OP video had it right
+--- 57870036
+>>57863371
+>appreciate the hotline miami music in the back
+What is this song?

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+-----
+--- 57862733
+Niggers
+--- 57862749
+>>57862672 (OP)
+this is the third you've made this thread that i have seen
+>captcha: 4T KMS
+--- 57862851
+>>57862672 (OP)
+Other than those army jobs were it's your job to shoot up old munitions all day, I can't think of a better /k/ job than getting paid to fondle and shoot old guns.
+--- 57863002
+im not a zoomer so what does 'filters' mean
+--- 57863209
+Respecting David Spade is too much to ask for.
+--- 57863460
+>>57863002
+The term filter has nothing to do with the generations you grew up in
+--- 57863483
+>>57862672 (OP)
+Who?
+--- 57863506
+>>57863002
+It's said by retards on /v/ whenever someone says anything remotely bad about elden ring. Doesn't matter if the criticism is bad or actually warranted
+--- 57863513
+>>57863506
+The last 20 hours of Elden Ring is absolute dogshit though
+--- 57863531
+>>57863513
+filtered.
+--- 57863541
+>>57863531
+Dark Souls 2 with the DLC is the best dark souls game and its not even close.
+--- 57863594
+>>57863513
+Imo elden ring is in general overjoyed shit
+--- 57865678
+>>57862672 (OP)
+What's his opinion about the invasion of Ukraine?
+--- 57865751
+>>57865678
+He’s a vatnik
+--- 57865889
+>>57863483
+British Ian
+--- 57866142
+>>57863002
+How does a filter work retard?
+--- 57866282
+>>57863506
+You're new, filtered predates elden ring by a lot
+--- 57866290
+>>57863513
+Unironically filtered
+--- 57866339
+>>57862672 (OP)
+He is soft spoken, almost effeminate, bong, so ofc K gets filtered.
+He is part of the GunTuber Holy Trinity alongside Ian and Paul, and everyone that disagrees is simply wrong.
+--- 57866569
+>>57862672 (OP)
+At this point I'm almost convinced that you're the man himself and are trying to make yourself as popular as Ian was. It won't work.
+--- 57866805
+>>57863002
+Do you actually see trip/namefag posts and Ukraine threads?
+How can you even browse this place without 70+ filters?
+--- 57866954
+>>57862749
+I was going to say the same thing
+--- 57867022
+>>57862672 (OP)
+The amount of seethe he causes by being a bong who fingerfucks the rarest guns in existence as a job is delicious.
+--- 57867384
+>>57866805
+>filtering trips individually instead of just filtering the !
+--- 57867652
+>>57867384
+I like to think of it as a trophy wall.
+Over the past 14 years, just how many trips have come and gone on /k/ and /o/.
+--- 57867661
+>>57862672 (OP)
+>Bootlicking Brit
+>Says some things about handling that I know from hands-on experience are slightly incorrect, can tell he only knows this theoretically.
+>Question what I haven't been able to personally handle where he was pulling it out of his theory-hole.
+--- 57867666
+>>57862672 (OP)
+Filters by being boring??
+--- 57867673
+>>57863002
+It means he takes a couple of his chubby, nitrile gloved digits and gently fingers your pride
+--- 57867674
+>>57862672 (OP)
+I have a book of weapons from the Royal Armories but I just can’t get into him. I dislike his manner he’s too slow and hesitating in his way of speaking. Compare that to Ian Mcollum who’s a much smoother operator
+--- 57867686
+>>57862672 (OP)
+he’s cute, I like softly spoken, librarian type of guys. What was the question again
+--- 57867703
+>>57862672 (OP)
+He's just not an engaging presenter.
+>>57867652
+>I like to think of it as a trophy wall.
+Unfathomably based.
+--- 57867732
+>>57867652
+Alright, I get it
+--- 57868495
+>>57862672 (OP)
+somebody post the webm of him shooting glocks akimbo style, flinching from it
+--- 57868606
+>>57862851
+>shoot
+Oh, you sweet noguns summer child.
+--- 57868619
+>>57863506
+Holy fuck, is this your third day on 4chan? Post guns.
+--- 57868721
+>>57866805
+Based. Fuck UKR/RU shills
+--- 57868766
+>>57862672 (OP)
+Filters?
+--- 57871214
+>>57867652
+>Over the past 14 years...
+Go get a life and touch grass
+--- 57871312
+>>57865889
+Ian actually owns guns.
+--- 57871355
+>>57862672 (OP)
+I have his book. It's nice. And the other Headstamp books because guaranteed replies on /k/.
+--- 57872105
+>>57862672 (OP)
+>FIREARMS EXPERT REACTS TO LE VIDYA GUNS
+>plays with guns
+>in a country where everyone else is basically banned from owning them
+Fuck that shit.

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+--- 57862803
+I was recently gifted these two .22's by my grandfather, the one on top is a JC Higgins model 29 and the one on the bottom is a Marlin model 60. The Marlin is broken unforunately, but the Higgins runs smooth and is quite accurate. The model 29 may not be all that valuable, but considering it belonged to my great-grandfather and was the first gun my grandfather ever shot, it's got loads of sentimental value
+Post your rimfire guns, bonus points if it's been in your family for 3 or more generations
+--- 57862999
+>>57862803 (OP)
+I bought these, with my own money.
+also have a Rossi model 62 pump .22, and CMMG conversion.
+the Rossi was originally my fathers, which he lent to my grand father, who became legally insane, and so it transferred back to him to me. does that count.
+--- 57863022
+Marlin Gang
+--- 57863041
+>>57862999
+>the Rossi was originally my fathers, which he lent to my grand father, who became legally insane, and so it transferred back to him to me. does that count.
+You know what, it's a specific enough scenario to where I'll allow it
+Also checked
+--- 57863664
+.22s are fun as fuck
+--- 57863716
+>>57863022
+I'll give you 50 bucks for that 12r peep sight on the 81. My 80 shoots too well for the janky little blade rear
+--- 57863755
+>>57863716
+no way fag. I love that thing. plenty to find on eBay and Gunbroker
+--- 57863757
+>>57862803 (OP)
+I bought a Ruger American Rimfire in .17 HMR, what am I in for?
+--- 57863778
+>>57863664
+They're like BB guns that aren't a pain in the ass to shoot, it's great. Every gun-fag oughtta have atleast one .22 to fuck around with/shoot small game
+--- 57863801
+>>57863757
+>I bought a Ruger American Rimfire in .17 HMR, what am I in for?
+A budget bolt action in a varmint caliber
+I've heard .17 HMR is pretty good for most small game, although it's not as cheap as .22 to shoot
+--- 57864647
+Mossberg 46m(b) I got recently, fucking phenomenal. I can nail a 8"x8" steel plate at 200 yards all day with it.
+--- 57864845
+>>57864647
+Is it possible to drop a round onto the lifter for single loading one of those, or do you have to load the round directly into the barrel like on a box mag gun?
+--- 57864914
+I want a semiauto .22 I can dress up in stupid ways. Ideally it would be very cheap since, again, I'm going to just use it for meme purposes. Is a 10/22 off gunbroker basically the only worthwhile thing for my purposes?
+--- 57864916
+>>57864845
+The lifter kicks into play before you even have the bolt fully open, so just dropping a round onto it will result in it rolling to either side and getting lodged against the barrel. Gotta shove it directly into the barrel, but there's easy access to it under the scope. Ironically single loading it is faster than loading the tube so far, and I feel I've gotten pretty proficient loading the tube.
+--- 57864917
+What's the best way to get a 10/22? Seems these shits have gone way up in price lately. You could pretty much buy an AR15 (albeit shitty) for what new 10/22's go for. Should I be looking in pawn shops?
+--- 57864968
+>>57864916
+Damn.
+>Ironically single loading it is faster than loading the tube so far
+I've noticed the same for my Savage Mark II, at least when I'm prone and can have a box of ammo next to me. That's why I was curious.
+--- 57865018
+>>57864917
+I wouldn't advise pawn shops, they usually charge about the same as most places do new ones for one that's likely dirty as shit and possibly damaged
+It's hard to find one below $300, though it's worth checking your local gun stores for their prices. Might be better to find one online honestly
+--- 57865063
+>>57864914
+A savage 64F might suit your purposes if you don't mind the kinda ugly mag, I have no idea how reliable they are but you can find em just about everywhere for dirt cheap
+--- 57865076
+>>57865063
+>kinda ugly mag
+Yeah you weren't kidding, wow look at that thing.
+--- 57865088
+>>57864647
+I love that full length grip on it, reminds me of my granddads old pellet rifle. How much did you pick it up for?
+--- 57865135
+>>57864914
+Yeah pretty much the only .22 with a huge aftermarket I can think of is the 10/22, unless you count CMMG or other .22 AR15s or AR15 conversions, but they'll all look like some flavor of M16 A1/A2, M4, or whatever, so a lot less "dress up" and possibilities of making it look like some other gun.
+>>57864917
+I just bought a new one after looking on gun.deals. Love it but my extractor was unusable and had basically not been deburred at all. Oh well, was buying a Volquartsen hammer anyways so I just picked one of their extractors up. Anything made after 2000 should be fine for parts compatibility AFAIK. The paintjob on new 10/22s is kind of shit and if you really want to use and abuse it I'd probably recommend a cerakoting; the ejection port and front of the magwell were bubbling up out of the box due to poor paint prep (I assume) but haven't spread since I removed that paint. It's otherwise a fine paint job but they really need to take a half a second to sand blast or degrease those areas better.
+Will include outdated prices, but if you want a threaded model with an otherwise standard barrel profile and iron sights, look for:
+>31113 (carbine, barrel band, plastic stock, 18.5" barrel, iron sights, comes with carry case) - $328.99 @ Centerfire, as low as $290.99 if you belong to NCCA, see gun.deals
+>31165 (carbine, barrel band, plastic stock, 18.5" barrel, iron sights, Bass Pro exclusive) - $339.99
+If you don't care about irons:
+>1261 (tactical, barrel band, plastic stock, with flash hider, potentially a strange barrel profile, 16" barrel, no irons) - ~$315.00
+Talo exclusives, no irons:
+>1296
+>11113
+>11198
+>21144
+>31172 (fat barrel, carbine without a band)
+Then there's two sporters with a threaded barrel, a screw on weaver or pic rail, and a fat fluted barrel without a band, but Talo exclusive:
+>31166
+>31167
+You may also be able to find a modern MFG one in a pawnshop but the question is how much cheaper will it really be and is it the model you really want?
+--- 57865251
+>>57864647
+My first rifle.
+>I AM TIRED
+>the past is a blank
+--- 57865278
+Pumpers rise up!
+--- 57865296
+>>57865278
+Based pump enjoyer. What is that anon? Looks cute.
+--- 57865316
+>>57865296
+NTA but looks like a Remington Speedmaster or Woodswhatevertheycallit. Multiple names for the same thing, basically.
+--- 57865334
+>>57865296
+Whoops, looks like speed is the semi. Fieldmaster is the pump.
+--- 57865368
+I've got one of these and it is actually a great shooter.
+--- 57865371
+>>57865296
+>>57865316
+Remmy Fieldmaster. Dimensionally the same to an 870 in every way except stroke. I put a Weaver K0 in Weaver rings on it. Yes, a zero power scope.
+--- 57865394
+>>57865371
+What do you figure a decent price for one is?
+--- 57865447
+>>57865371
+I have NEVER heard of the K0 and I have a bunch of old Weavers, what the fuck? Only pic I can find since for some reason I don't have pics of any more interesting scopes except for the K4. That would be a nice scope to have; will have to keep an eye out.
+--- 57865463
+>>57865371
+>only pic I can find
+Only pic I can find of one of my scopes I mean. Little distracted ATM.
+--- 57865530
+>>57865394
+Around 3, mine's in really great condition and I paid about that, a little over a few yrs back. The scope was very specifically selected for just this gun at the same show. Fat scope table guy complimented my taste as "prefect", abt $40 there, but the K-series have been climbing as they are "rediscovered" and will routinely command $40+, if you're not careful. I've been after them for years now. This one a K2.5x I put on a M9422M, a mag lever Winny. The "Post and fine wire" are still my fav.
+--- 57865615
+>>57865447
+I actually foundctge scope first and didn't buy it until after I had the pump. I rushed back to snag the K0! I just buy random K-series for period correct, classical glass for vintage guns. Picrel has a nice brass patina at the bell for style points. I have a K4 "TV View" Weaver on my M99 that's pretty different. Round w/ flat top and bottom like the mid century CRT TVs. Like I said, they got "found out" and are going for more than several years ago.
+--- 57865622
+>>57865088
+About $350 after shipping and transfer fees. That's the main reason I got the m version too, the mannlicher stocks just look so damn good to me. Last image so I don't fill the thread up singlehandedly.
+--- 57865711
+>>57865622
+Mine was a mag feed that had a trapdoot in the butt plate for a spare. The mag had a threaded hole for a screw in post to align shorts. It had a "hang fire" guard on the bolt I had to get trimmed back by a smith that drilled and tapped my rcvr for a scope. He also had a "spam key" sling swivel for the front band, good luck finding that now! I had to check out books on gun safwty and remorize before I was given that rifle. I checked out 3 from the library at my elementary school, so you can imagine this was decades ago.
+--- 57865897
+>>57864647
+How the fuck? I can barely hit steel at 100 yards without serious deviation.
+--- 57866234
+>>57863755
+My dude, they're all gone. There's a Williams peep that fits, but all the 12rs are gone.
+Put hands on the new mk4 target with loooong boi barrel, it's pretty neat. Pictured here next to my 22/45. I almost wish they would've threaded the target so I could put a can on it and be retarded long.
+--- 57866284
+>>57865251
+>>57865711
+based tos posting
+--- 57866345
+>>57862803 (OP)
+The handguard on the top one is honestly beautiful and now I must have one.
+--- 57866551
+>>57866345
+Shit, you're right anon. I love that swell.
+--- 57867400
+>>57862803 (OP)
+Why does skinner ship their shit with the worst chinese screws in the world? I stripped pretty much everything but the elevation screw, which I need a screw driver to get tight enough so their is no play (also I think the drunk fuck gun smith drilled and tapped the receiver on a diagonal)
+The sights shoot pretty good, just annoying I had to peen the rear sight in place and the screws suck
+--- 57869097
+>>57866345
+>handguard
+Please, forestock. Browning T-Bolt and Weatherby XXII pictured.
+--- 57869112
+>>57865897
+>100 yards without serious deviation
+Abt 12" with standard velocity.
+--- 57869329
+>>57865897
+I sighted it in at 50 initially which was pretty easy, then I went straight to 200 the following week and was hitting all sorts of everywhere. I got really worried I had a fucked up crown or something but I tried just holding two feet high and my group tightened up tremendously, turns out I was skipping rounds off the ground at about 150yds with the 50 yard zero. The old ass scope on top of it doesn't move the lenses or the scope or however modern scopes work, it moves the physical crosshair like a PU scope, so now it's set where it's pretty centered left and right, but up and down it crosses about 1/3 the way up instead of right in the middle, lels. It's still a little off left and right but I just chalk that up to 22 being 22 and hold a little to either side depending on the wind or lack thereof. Also, here's the plate in question after that particular trip. There were a solid few 22cal holes in the wooden stand right behind the 30cal holes in the steel, which was quite annoying to see.
+https://youtu.be/GL5cmDnTAsg [Embed]
+>>57869112
+Aguila super extra 40 grain is what I've come to like. It's a bit dirty but it isn't super bad smelling like pretty much the rest of the Aguila line, and also it's at a very nice sweet spot where it's supersonic out of my rifles and subsonic out of my pistols. Almost makes me want to form 1 or form 4 something.
+--- 57869400
+Here's my 1906 winchester heirloom
+This thing can take the shittiest 22 ammo and still hit with it. I wish black powder 22 was made so i could larp as a cowboy or smth.
+--- 57869659
+My shitty Rossi RS22 with silly little duct tape mag pouches and $20 Simmons Walmart scope. It sure is fun though.
+--- 57870237
+>>57869659
+>duct tape mag pouches
+I like, but is your neck red?
+--- 57870558
+I got this one last year from some old guy for free, its an early one with the loading port on top.
+The takedown feature is really nice, though it really has only novelty value, due to being in .22 Short and being on a restriced license where I live.
+--- 57870607
+>>57864914
+10/22 in a gun store might be a better bet because of no ffl fee and s/h. A lot of guns are better to buy online but 10/22s are generally not more expensive in store from what i've seen.
+>>57865063
+>I can dress up in stupid ways
+if he wants a variety of parts to slap on then you really can't beat the 10/22 even if its a bit more expensive.
+--- 57871096
+>>57870607
+>if he wants a variety of parts to slap on then you really can't beat the 10/22 even if its a bit more expensive.
+You are right, I just saw the words "cheap" and ".22" in the same post and kinda figured the extra $150 might be a bit much for the lad
+--- 57871132
+OP here, decided to take a picture of the Higgins buttplate because of the kino little designs on it. Aside from it kind of being a pain to put back together after dissasembly, this would be an excellent first gun
+--- 57871430
+>>57870558
+>its an early one with the loading port on top.
+???
+--- 57871449
+>>57871132
+Weird, my Sears model 25 has the same design but without the "JC Higgins" text IIRC.
+--- 57871551
+>>57871430
+--- 57871582
+>>57871449
+Mines a model 29, guess it's just one of those little changes they make between models
+That's a nice rifle, hows the reliability on it? Mine didn't jam when I test fired it, but my grandpa told me that if I plan on dumping mag after mag out of it I should expect a few jams here and there. Seems fine for hunting, although I'll admit it might not be a premier range toy
+--- 57871847
+>>57871582
+Reliability has been good. IIRC my new firing pin was light striking but that was weeks ago so I can barely remember; I think the face of the pin is too fat compared to stock. Other than that, I don't remember any big reliability problems. It was absolutely filthy when I got it though; the other side of the gun has slits cut ("gills") and the wood stock was just coated in black soot under that area. I don't think it really minds not being clean like some .22s. I've seen some people online shoot quicker than the gun really wants to which resulted in a fail to feed but that's about it; I don't think gill guns are built for dumping a mag as quick as possible, though can still feed rounds pretty quick. Might not get you the splits you want in a shooting competition but other than that it's fine for most use cases.
+My biggest "reliability issue", if you can call it that, was that it came with a broken firing pin which I've been looking for a professionally made replacement for going on years instead of my home-made soft shitty pin I made from a piece of stainless sheet steel. I got one finally.
+--- 57871916
+>>57871847
+>It was absolutely filthy when I got it though; the other side of the gun has slits cut ("gills") and the wood stock was just coated in black soot under that area.
+I understand that. Mine doesn't have any gills but it's got some sections in the reciever that get a lot of lead build-up, along with the extracter. Definitely a good idea to clean it fairly regularly, but since I only put like 50 rounds through it to test it I'll wait
+--- 57872312
+.17HMR IS BEST RIMFIRE FOLKS EVERYBODY SAYS IT, EVERYONE KNOWS IT. YOUR SPEEDYEST AND FLATEST RIMFIRE BOY IS .17HMR AND NOTHING IS BETTER THAN IT!
+But I actually wannt try .17hm2, it seems fun and interesting. I tried my friends very very old .17hm2 rifle and it basically just fills the same niche and role as .22lr but blows .22lr the fuck out in every way. I want to buy a .17hm2 rifle of some sort but they are hard to find. I see some Savage Mark II F but that's it. I already own a Mark II in .22lr so I don't want two of the same rifle. I saw some youtuber with a really fucking expensive german thing that is not available anywhere anyway.
+ Is there some .17hm2 rifle I should look for? Or should I suck it up and get the Mark II F?
+--- 57872338
+>>57872312
+>I want to buy a .17hm2 rifle of some sort but they are hard to find.
+Try Cabelas. I forget which .17 it is (probably a mix of all of the flavors of .17 chamberings) but I see them all the time in the used section.
+--- 57872408
+>>57872338
+Maybe, but I was looking for specific model suggestions. It's a great but unpopular cartridge, not a lot of rifles were made for .17hm2 so I don't know what's out there.
+.17hmr is WAY more popular for good reason.
+--- 57873291
+>>57872338
+Fuck Cabela's. They won't let you pull the trigger on any of their guns for sale. Might as well tell me I can't test drive a car before I decide to buy.

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+-----
+--- 57862935
+Do nods have output delay?
+--- 57862941
+>>57862935 (OP)
+No they see into the future l
+--- 57862949
+>>57862935 (OP)
+A little, this belongs in qtddtot
+--- 57862961
+NODs are the most overrated pos gear i've ever seen peddled
+Like that 10k loan could've been spent on a few generators and work utility lights to secure your compound against nod wearing raiders
+--- 57863516
+>>57862961
+Until one of those NOD wearing raiders just shoots the generator from far away, with a gun. Or shoots the lights. Or any of a dozen other things.
+--- 57863615
+>>57862961
+>10k loan
+Taking out loans at all.
+--- 57863681
+>>57862961
+You gonna carry those lights with you when you go out at night?
+--- 57863705
+>>57862935 (OP)
+No, it's an analog device. It's converting photons into electrons into photons at the speed of light.
+--- 57863732
+>>57862935 (OP)
+Technically yes but practically no, unless you're asking about digital devices in which case absolutely
+--- 57863774
+>>57862935 (OP)
+No, analog systems allow for instant output to the user. It's one reason why good digital is so hard, it can't do that.
+--- 57864503
+>>57862961
+This. No one knows true power untill they harness the light!
+--- 57866428
+>>57862935 (OP)
+Yes, it takes an insignificant but theoretically measurable amount of time for the photons to travel from the front of the tube to the back.
+--- 57866440
+>>57862961
+it is incredibly easy to shoot out lights. you can do it from relative safety too.
+--- 57866482
+>>57866428
+By how many times slower than without a tube in the way
+--- 57866508
+>>57862935 (OP)
+they have zero delay in terms of real perception, digital has pretty significant delay
+--- 57866577
+>>57866482
+About the same delay as you get from the light passing through the lenses of a magnified optic.
+--- 57866641
+>>57866482
+The atmosphere slows down light from the sun significantly more than light passing through a tube will
+No human will ever be able to perceive the change, although it's theoretically measurable, there's no reason to do so because you can do nothing about it nor will it ever affect you
+--- 57867011
+>>57862935 (OP)
+For any practical intent, No. Some say they're analog, which is kinda true, it's more like they're just pure curcuitry with no computerization at the fundamental functional level.
+They function at 2/3 the speed of light and 2/3 of 3million times faster than you can process with your eyes is still 2 million times faster.
+--- 57869738
+>>57862949
+no one replies to shit on qddot nigger
+--- 57871716
+>>57863615
+> using your own money
+--- 57871895
+>>57862961
+For most people thermals are more valuable than nods. In an shtf scenario you're either going to be sleeping or standing guard while other people sleep, and if you're defending a static position then a guy with thermals will spot a guy with nods long before a guy with nods spots a guy with thermals.
+--- 57872166
+>>57871895
+Thermals are great, BV is great, and they have different use cases. Only folk that own only own (and are emotionally attached to their choice) shill just the one. However.
+You can't navigate and move in thermals. This is why folks are advised to get NV first, and thermals second. If you're holding a fixed position and everyone is an enemy then sure, you'll want thermals. Buy if you're going to be moving at all, ever, or want to identify what you're shooting at because not everyone is a threat, thermals won't help. Unlike NV which has very low electrical draw, Thermals absolutely chug batteries and since thermals HAVE to be attached and zero'd to the rifle that means any moment you're running that rifle you are just pissing electricity into the ether so you better have some sort of stable independent logistics set up to support their use.
+Now, can YOU find a way to run ONLY thermals in your UNIQUE use case? Maybe. But should you recommend it over NV in general for 99% of everyone else stumbling into this sort of discussion? Hell na.
+Get NV. Train on NV. Then get a thermal scope and mount it to a rifle designed for it's use and obtain proper godhood like a normal person.
+--- 57872191
+>>57872166
+I agree that you can't navigate with thermals and ideally you should have both, but most people don't need to navigate at night so if they have to prioritize it's better to pick thermal.
+--- 57872386
+>>57862935 (OP)
+Total input-output delay of any modern tube (gen 2 or gen 3) is under 3 milliseconds.
+--- 57872675
+>>57872191
+The scenarios that either require or heavily favor moving after dark are numerous in the particular environments in which thermal/nv debates become germane. Most people live in cities (large or small). Moving in the day is perfectly fine right up until the moment it absolutely isn't.
+And if your plan revolves around hunkering in place for the entirety of whatever may come you're risking having a really bad time because hunkering is not the right choice 100% of the time in all but a minority of conceivable cases. Again, while YOU might be in a position to get away with only running thermals, because of YOUR unique situation, for everyone else NVs are the more important first purchase.

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+-----
+--- 57863403
+>electro automatic OTF knife
+Knives have finally joined the 21st century
+--- 57863434
+>>57863403 (OP)
+>even the knives have LED's
+I fucking hate this timeline.
+--- 57863442
+>>57863434
+what's wrong with LEDs?
+--- 57863984
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Ban Assault Pregnancy Testers
+--- 57863994
+>>57863403 (OP)
+what's the point?
+--- 57864052
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Man you had me expecting something there.
+That's straight trash.
+--- 57864896
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Still no progressive knives
+--- 57864907
+>>57863403 (OP)
+>Cant baton with it
+Absolutely not interested
+--- 57865024
+>hey guys, we made it worse!
+Thanks.
+--- 57865034
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Can't wait for someone to have something in the pocket to snag on that switch and end up stabbing himself
+--- 57865043
+ok so this thing is retarded, but what would a useful electric knife look like?
+>intergraded taser
+>automatic high speed stabbing function
+>finger print ID to deploy blade
+>LED lights to blind opponents
+I dont know, how useful and weird can you get with electric knife?
+--- 57865057
+>>57863403 (OP)
+unless it's a fucking light sabre, i don't need a knife that requires a power source to operate.
+--- 57865059
+>>57865043
+>useful electric knife
+HF blade
+--- 57865084
+>>57863403 (OP)
+>patrollin da streets
+>see sum wyt bitch wit timmy
+>awyiss.png
+>pull up on those crackas
+>boutta introduce them to the bbc
+>take out my smartknifeTM
+>"battery low, please recharge"
+>get shot
+obama... not like this
+--- 57865115
+>>57865043
+vibroblade
+--- 57865227
+>>57865059
+>>57865115
+hypothetically, would a HF/vibrating knife, using modern technology, actually do any extra damage?
+--- 57865246
+>>57863403 (OP)
+that is incalculably gay
+--- 57865286
+>>57863403 (OP)
+why is it slower than a child trying to open his first folder?
+--- 57866239
+>>57863403 (OP)
+What does the display show? Stab status?
+--- 57867039
+>>57866239
+puffs left on vape function
+--- 57867099
+>>57865043
+the fingerprint shit is retarded especially on gun holsters. they use biometrics at my job and the thumb scanners are always finnicky, especially when your hands are dirty from work. sometimes I have to spit wipe my thumb and the scanner off 14 times before it'll work. imagine doing that in a fight.
+--- 57867112
+>>57863403 (OP)
+This is what happens when you have too much time and money on your hands, but no original ideas.
+--- 57867131
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Why the fuck would I want that?
+--- 57867157
+>>57863403 (OP)
+12 inch Bowie vs electric OTF whos winning the oiled ass shaking contest?
+--- 57867201
+>>57865043
+Self-sharpening. Maybe twisting the wound to make it larger. Removing blood stain and finger prints. Maybe some form of detector for cameras and similar.
+--- 57867223
+>>57863403 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNYigk0Dj4w [Embed]
+--- 57867234
+>>57867201
+Oh, and of course poison in a little magazine to auto-apply.
+--- 57867238
+>>57867099
+Only some are finicky. You can lower the sensitivity required to unlock them, and they pretty much open whenever my thumb goes on no matter what.
+But you have to make sure you're using the right sensors and software. And yes someone with a vaguely similar print could unlock it due to the reduced sensitivity, but still it's not likely.
+--- 57867711
+>>57865227
+No, it's sci-fi bullshit. Even if you COULD make the thing vibrate in such a high frequency that it begins the saw through matter on its own, there's now way to stop that vibration from eroding your hand at the same time.
+--- 57867716
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Wait...wait....can it also shock somebody?
+--- 57867728
+>>57863403 (OP)
+I just want it for collection completeness like the Jungle King II with slingshot. It may be silly but it is desirable in its own way
+--- 57867735
+>>57865043
+>what would a useful electric knife look like?
+Like this, but the tip should be sharper so you can actually stab with it
+--- 57867736
+>>57865057
+>need to charge phone
+>okay
+>need to charge watch
+>okay
+>need to charge earbuds
+>okay
+>need to charge tablet
+>okay
+>need to charge toothbrush
+>okay
+>need to charge laptop
+>okay
+>need to charge car
+>okay
+>need to charge knife
+>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
+:/
+--- 57867773
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Who can link that video of Terry Davis messing with a key fob, frustrated and wishing that it was just a key?
+--- 57867780
+>>57867736
+And do you make your own electricity?
+--- 57867809
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Let me know when it can connect to wifi. Until then, fuck off with this prehistoric shit.
+--- 57867900
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Hope the display can at least track your max kill streak.
+--- 57867975
+>Alexa open knife
+--- 57868216
+>>57867736
+I don't have any of that s@ytech bullshit, only phone and pc. kys please
+--- 57868220
+>>57868216
+>he doesn't have a toothbrush
+cleetus as fuck
+--- 57868273
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Outside of the practical application of miniturizing and ruggedizing electronics and making use of advance batteries and such, this is a novelty unless there is some application where an electrically driven motorized knife has some usefulness
+--- 57868309
+Something like the neurotoxin knife from CP2077 would be sick
+--- 57868346
+>>57865043
+>what would a useful electric knife look like?
+--- 57868365
+>>57868220
+>he doesn't use a manual toothbrush
+Good goyim, keep those skinny arms weak...
+--- 57868374
+>>57863403 (OP)
+What's keeping that from activating in your pocket?
+--- 57868405
+>>57868346
+I will slice my enemies into easier to manage pieces.
+--- 57868416
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Is that a heavy-duty pregnancy test for hard pissers? I didn't watch the webm.
+--- 57869117
+>>57868346
+Uday Hussein took a dude out with one of these, big endorsement
+--- 57869123
+>>57863403 (OP)
+non Newtonian weapons are bad.
+buy only guns and weapons that cant be manipulated by a 3rd party.
+--- 57869138
+>forgot to charge my knife!
+--- 57869172
+>>57863403 (OP)
+>Fat as fuck
+>Looks like 2k cellphone
+>Expect 300f/s deployment and retraction so that one can walk by someone and stab them with a button push
+>It's some Lego arts and crafts motor with some hobbyist electronics and 3d printed gears
+--- 57869200
+>>57867735
+>Make it a skip chain.
+>Flat filed ripper profile on the teeth.
+>Sharkfin the rakers.
+>Add grip for off hand because this fucker is gonna kick like a .44 mag loaded by a drunk bubba.
+--- 57869255
+>>57863403 (OP)
+If someone shows me this in person, I'm planning on stabbing them in the neck with a sharpened piece of flint just on principle.
+--- 57869321
+>>57867809
+>member when pawpaw's knife couldn't even download Japanese tentical porn and deep fake President Kamala into it with cloud based AI functions?
+>how did they live?
+--- 57869335
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Does it have an app so that I can keep track of how many people I've stabbed with it?
+--- 57869365
+>>57868365
+>brushing teeth as a form of exercise
+--- 57869719
+>>57863994
+The metal part that extends and retracts
+--- 57869766
+>>57863403 (OP)
+Yeah but if you break out your /g/ife it won't be as cool as unfolding a butterfly knife. You won't be taken seriously if your knife runs Gentoo.
+--- 57869809
+>>57863403 (OP)
+so 5 years down the line the battery will be dead and when you try to use the knife in an emergency the blade doesn't come out
+awesome
+--- 57869844
+time to upgrade your knifes firmware
+--- 57869888
+>>57869809
+lol dumb fudd poorfag, your fault for not having ElectroKnife Platinum™ subscription support (only $29.99/mo) then your knife would have automatically reported its obsolete status and they'd already have sent you a new one (some restrictions apply)! You wouldn't want an old insecure knife anyway would you? New laws require keeping your knife up to date for child safety and complying with all new regulations anyway, so it's basically a bargain!
+--- 57869890
+>>57867736
+i don’t do any of that except for the phone
+no laptop, no tablet, mechanical watch, regular toothbrush, gasoline car
+--- 57869922
+GOD DAMN IT /k/ went to /g/ and they told me an easy way to pirate my knife so went to some public torrent tracker for cracked knifes and seemed fine but just got a letter from the Knife Makers Association of America saying they're suing me for infringement!??! wut do i do!?
+--- 57869956
+I can't see a knife's deployment action being improved by something like that unless you're in a very constrictive atmosphere like space or underwater where you have heavy gloves on, however I can see the function of a knife being improved through electric power such as a chain function or sawing motion. The thing I would be most interested in seeing is if they can manage to make the micro vibration concept work in a handheld knife which could give the advantage of the chain or sawing motion on a solid traditional design knife.
+--- 57869962
+>>57863403 (OP)
+>Knife gets hacked
+>Blade shoots out and impales your thigh
+>Bleed out because it hit an artery and you had a boner so your blood is pumping out faster
+Many such cases!
+--- 57869978
+>>57863403 (OP)
+can assume the blade when extended has zero tang
+neat toy, probably trash as an actual using knife
+--- 57870012
+>>57868273
+>>57869956
+>>57869978
+It would have a functionality in hazardous environments such as deep diving and space where motion is limited and having to use a scabbard would make taking it out and putting it back safely would be difficult, but it would have to be redesigned from whatever that concept build shown in the OP is since that looks more like a personal project than a serious proof of concept.
+--- 57870017
+>>57863403 (OP)
+what would you do with electricity in it?
+combine taser with knife?
+--- 57872200
+>>57863403 (OP)
+That's the gayest fucking knife I've ever seen.
+--- 57872234
+>>57867736
+>1. yes
+>2. no
+>3. no
+>4. no
+>5. no
+>6. no
+>7. no
+It's a knife for redditards.

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+-----
+--- 57863628
+>build a gun that would be considered an SBR
+>put on a legal faux suppressor
+>the faux suppresser increases the barrel length
+>gun is no longer considered an SBR
+Would this be legal?
+--- 57863649
+>>57863628 (OP)
+If the faux suppressor is attached in a permanent way, then yes.
+--- 57863659
+Assuming the faux suppressor is pinned/welded. Keep in mind the ATF is staffed by bureaucrats. People too stupid to do skilled labor and too lazy to do unskilled labor.
+--- 57863660
+>>57863628 (OP)
+Yes, if the faux can is fixed in place. If not its an SBR. Personally I don't understand the appeal of a permanently fixed barrel extension, you have all the bulk of a longer barrel without the added velocity. The only case where it's passible is if its on a XM177 clone
+--- 57863698
+>>57863628 (OP)
+you could just build an SBR and get a real suppressor.
+--- 57863998
+>>57863628 (OP)
+If you really don’t want to go the SBR route, why not use the length for longer barrel rather than a fake suppressor that doesn’t do anything?
+--- 57864028
+>>57863998
+Big brain take here and probably the first thought that should have occurred to OP.
+--- 57864033
+>>57863628 (OP)
+Only legal if the muzzle device is permanently attacked. e.g. pined and welded on(I dunno if it's either/or or both.
+--- 57864046
+>>57863628 (OP)
+Its legal. That's how I built my M92 underfolder.
+--- 57864066
+>>57863628 (OP)
+It's legal and relatively common, but I encourage you to SBR it, it's a pretty easy process.
+--- 57864277
+>>57863698
+literally this
+there are no constitutional gun laws
+--- 57864327
+>>57864066
+>It's legal and relatively common, but I encourage you to SBR it, it's a pretty easy process.
+/k/uck
+--- 57865287
+>>57863628 (OP)
+if it's permanently attached, yes. this has been a thing for many years
+--- 57865335
+>>57863628 (OP)
+Weld a bead on your suppressor and it's legal
+--- 57865522
+fake suppressors are mega gay but I always wondered if you had a permanently fixed bayonet would it count towards barrel length?
+--- 57865630
+Hypothetically, yes. Why in the world would you though? The point of an SBR is to reduce length, the point of a suppressor is to quiet the gun. You would be sacrificing ballistics with zero benefit.
+--- 57866500
+>>57863628 (OP)
+To get around it, just weld a thin cable to the barrel. It says barrel length. If you weld a floppy cable that's 5 inches on an 11.5", wouldn't that meat the letter of the law.
+--- 57867692
+High temperature [like 1000+ degree] silver solder is also a legal option if for whatever reason you can't/don't want to get somebody to weld it on. You just have to be a little careful, put a cold wet towel or wash cloth around the barrel to manage the heat and keep it from fucking up the barrel steel. Will ruin the metal finish no matter what.
+Or just fuck the cops and don't comply in minecraft, lmao
+--- 57867803
+>>57867692
+I always wondered what would happen if you did a pin and weld but made a little oopsie and didn't make it deep enough for the pin to go into the barrel. then it would look like it was legal to anyone doing anything short of trying to crank it off which would normally ruin your barrel, but if you really had to change your muzzle device it would come off like normal. haha that would be illegal though so definitely make sure to measure carefully before you drill your hole.
+--- 57870747
+>>57863628 (OP)
+Yes, until they eventually rule that fake suppressors are real suppressors, just like they are doing right now for fake stocks.
+--- 57871106
+>>57863628 (OP)
+Just get a normal suppressor dumbass. Like a KOA or some shit
+--- 57871115
+>>57863628 (OP)
+Why would you ever want a faux suppressor on anything?
+--- 57871287
+>>57863628 (OP)
+If you're going through all of that effort to comply with the faggot NFA laws, just p&amp;w a real suppressor. Leave it without a stock until your can gets out of jail so you still have your short "rifle" if needed. Suppressors are the least retarded NFA items bc you don't have to ask daddy if you can take it with you across state lines like you would with an SBR
+--- 57871583
+>>57863628 (OP)
+>Would this be legal?
+Like everyone says, yes it's legal, yes it's fucking retarded. If you're going to run a gun with a 16" barrel just run it with a 16" barrel so you get the extra velocity duh.
+The reason people do pin/weld with actual suppressors is if they love the gun and plan to run it with a suppressor 100% of the time anyway, making it permanent means shorter OAL than full rifle+can but also avoids SBR specific laws that are annoying.
+Though first it might be best to just see if there's anyone doing integral barrels and just buying one of those.
+--- 57871619
+The law is not a moral authority.
+--- 57871841
+>>57863628 (OP)
+As stated already you have to pin &amp; weld it permanently onto the gun. I would advise not doing any permanent modifications to your firearms in general, especially just to get around horseshit laws that may or may not exist 10 years later. You're better off just using a 16" upper and sitting on an SBR upper (not attached to any lowers) and waiting for any laws to change or civilization to go to shit and laws become moot.

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+-----
+--- 57863794
+for me its 35 remington
+--- 57863857
+For me it's the buck breaker
+--- 57863945
+>>57863794 (OP)
+most based post on k right now
+--- 57865717
+>>57863857
+>Buck status : HAMMERED
+--- 57865811
+>>57863794 (OP)
+For me, it’s the pig destroyer
+--- 57867145
+For me it's God's caliber
+--- 57867328
+>>57865811
+To think that this would still be a popular cartridge if it wasn't for lying gun writers in the 60s and 70s.
+--- 57868690
+>>57863794 (OP)
+VGH... You've probably never heard of it...
+--- 57868704
+for me it's the groundhog vaporizer
+--- 57868719
+>>57863794 (OP)
+>>57863857
+>>57865811
+>>57868690
+>>57868704
+Never even heard of these cartridges
+--- 57869990
+For me it's always been the elk eliminator
+--- 57870103
+>>57867328
+What happened back then to marginalize the caliber? A bunch of lies about .22-250 or what?
+--- 57870115
+>>57868719
+why are you gay?
+--- 57871734
+>>57868704
+>using a picture of a dud round in your ad
+--- 57873226
+>>57870103
+It was used successfully for years on big game until a few magazine writers in the 60s said it was shit because they were bad shots. This video says more on it.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH6xc11drh0&amp;ab_channel=RonSpomerOutdoors [Embed]

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+-----
+--- 57864021
+Personally,i'd add slots for side winders,kinda like the F22,stupid ass idea but hey,would be cool.
+--- 57864045
+>>57864021 (OP)
+Chinese language mode
+--- 57864072
+>>57864045
+traditional chinese,right?
+--- 57864078
+that'll be added on the F-35E Lightning Strike
+--- 57864083
+>>57864021 (OP)
+A second engine
+--- 57864089
+>>57864021 (OP)
+A tail gunner.
+--- 57864095
+>>57864078
+yeah i thought i was insane that i remembered something like that but yeah,the F35E.
+like Holy shit
+--- 57864123
+but fr a double seater F35 would be awesome as fuck
+--- 57864128
+>>57864021 (OP)
+Cup holder.
+--- 57864227
+>>57864123
+didn't the Israeli's want a 2 seater variant?
+--- 57864228
+>>57864083
+This
+--- 57864247
+>>57864228
+2 engines seem useless,2x the fuel consumption,2x the heat signature
+--- 57864257
+>>57864247
+It looks cool though
+--- 57864273
+>>57864257
+i agree
+i wanna get like a shit ton of money so i can make stupid retarded concepts like a stealth F14
+--- 57864342
+>>57864273
+>He wants a NATF
+--- 57864364
+>>57864342
+and the arma A-164 wipe out too lol,i just like triangular stealth designs,im a sucker for POLYGONS
+--- 57864387
+>>57864021 (OP)
+I'd extend the tail booms, because I love that aesthetic.
+For actual capability enhancement, a stealthy pod that mounts inside of the existing weapons bay, but expands it, and fill it full of Peregrines.
+--- 57864442
+>>57864257
+It's also safer in case one of them malfunctions. Jet would be fine with returning to base with one still working.
+--- 57864457
+A generous return policy.
+--- 57864504
+>>57864021 (OP)
+The ability to be used by coast guard cutters
+--- 57864507
+>>57864021 (OP)
+I would replace the stealth coating with a full-body American flag theme. There wouldn't be an exact specification, just a general standard the mechanics/pilots/planners/etc. collaborate on whenever the previous paintjob is wearing out.
+Let the shithole countries know who's dabbing on them every time we go up.
+--- 57864589
+>>57864045
+當然
+--- 57864655
+>neuron activation
+--- 57864804
+>>57864128
+Beat me to it.
+--- 57865207
+such a beauty of an aircraft
+--- 57866298
+Big delta wings.
+Turn it into an F-35XL
+--- 57866383
+GAU-8
+--- 57866394
+>>57864273
+omg a stealth f14 would be tits.
+--- 57866405
+>>57864021 (OP)
+Thrust vectoring. It's honestly the one feature that would put it over the top.
+--- 57866438
+People think the F-35 is slow, but it's not. It's mach 1.6 top speed is largely because the stealth starts burning off at sustained speeds above like mach 1.4 or something, so it's limited to very brief jaunts at like mach 1.5 or mach 1.6. Also, many planes only reach their top speeds of mach 2.0 or 2.2 or whatever when they are stripped of all their exterior missiles, gas tanks and munitions, and with like half a tank of fuel or less. The F-35 can roar to mach 1.6 with ease, with a full interior loadout and fuel load.
+--- 57866455
+>>57864021 (OP)
+>>57864089
+--- 57866478
+>>57864021 (OP)
+An afterburner that won't damage the aircraft if it's used.
+--- 57866516
+>>57866478
+The afterburner doesn't damage the F-35. WTF are you talking about?
+--- 57866614
+>>57866438
+that number is also not true, just like the range on all US missiles are understated.
+--- 57866616
+>>57864021 (OP)
+AI with cute voice called 35-chan
+--- 57866619
+>>57866516
+Wrong. Pilots have time limits (measured in tens of seconds) for how long they can use afterburner. This effectively makes the F-35 a subsonic aircraft that can't use BVR weapons (requires high altitude supersonic launch). Keep posting shill cope though.
+--- 57866649
+>>57866619
+No they don’t
+--- 57866662
+>>57866649
+https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/marines-f-35-has-afterburner-trouble-68962
+https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/
+https://www.quora.com/How-long-can-the-F-35-fly-with-full-afterburners
+https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32304032/f-35-supersonic-flight/
+nu/k/ope
+--- 57866666
+>>57866662
+Which was lifted when they couldn’t repeat the incident.
+--- 57866670
+>>57866666
+>source: I made it up
+--- 57866724
+>>57864021 (OP)
+>Personally,i'd add slots for side winders,kinda like the F22,stupid ass idea but hey,would be cool.
+I was thinking about the same thing when I saw the title of the thread. It's a shame it doesn't have sidewinders. I understand it is not meant to engage in missions that would require the use of sidewinders but man it feels wrong to have a multi-role aircraft without short range air to air capability (assuming guns are useless nowadays).
+>>57864083
+>>57864228
+>>57864247
+>>57864257
+>>57864273
+>>57864442
+Adding a second engine is "the tradeoff". As long as you can achieve the specs with a single engine there really is no reason to use two engines. Two engines are only useful if: i) single engine can't meet thrust requirement, ii) single engine is too large in diameter, iii) single engine is too unreliable.
+Some arguments:
+1) It would've been better performance! Yeah, it could've but F-22 already exists. If you're producing something to replace F-16, it needs to be more affordable than F-22 and F-35 is indeed more affordable than other comparable aircraft. I mean come on, French are selling Rafale for the price of F-35.
+2) It would've been more reliable as there's a backup engine! If you already achieve reliability goals with a single engine, there's no reason to have a second one. Sure, you can have a backup engine but it's just overkill, it's not an optimized solution it's just throwing more of the most expensive component in the platform into the problem for edge cases (getting shot and losing only one engine when both are so tightly packed together is not really a case you need to cover, and if the engines are failing regularly they're trash engines, having two of them is a bad solution without engine improvements).
+3) It would've been cool! Yes, it would have. I agree 100%.
+--- 57866745
+>>57866405
+Thrust vectoring to achieve what goal? Dogfights don't happen nowadays and modern missiles have really high hit probability that being more maneuverable doesn't help to avoid missiles. F-35 gets a lot of poop for being less maneuverable than F-16 but the difference is not that huge and the difference only impacts some really edge use cases. Also, both airplanes would hit the pilot limits before they hit the airframe limits if you push them to breaking point.
+Thrust vectoring would've been very cool though. It's just not optimum.
+--- 57866775
+>>57866614
+>understated missile range
+You're technically right, but also technically wrong.
+I wouldn't waste missiles for a 10% kill chance situation even if the range doubled.
+--- 57866776
+>>57866619
+>F-35 a subsonic aircraft that can't use BVR weapons (requires high altitude supersonic launch).
+BVR engagement doesn't require supersonic cruise. Having speed helps, but if the difference that would make is important in the engagement then you probably have trash hit probability and shouldn't engage anyway.
+Also, I find it funny that people seem to think every "cool twin engine" plane is supersonic cruise capable. Like literally only a handful of aircraft are capable of supercruise. Most fighter jets and F-35 can only maintain supersonic speeds for a limited duration anyway.
+--- 57866897
+Photon torpedos
+--- 57867110
+>>57864021 (OP)
+chrome or gold plating
+--- 57867150
+>>57866775
+With AI, missiles are going to be a lot smarter. It will busy itself with processing AWS services and then finally switch off with a sigh at 100km+ distance and drive the point into the J-20 belly and bellow in explosion
+--- 57867151
+>>57864021 (OP)
+Kenny Logins soundtrack that plays on a loop and can't be turned off
+--- 57867183
+>>57866619
+KEK. It can supercruise for hundreds of miles. Nice attempt at knowledge tho, Sparky.
+--- 57867200
+>>57866745
+Because it's the only weakness of the platform as far as I can see. Great stealth, great sensor suit, great weapons, great pilot-ability. But it doesn't have the turn rate of a F-22 or SU-57. Simple thrust vectoring would put the F-35 on another level should it get into a dogfight. And believe me, if we ever did get into a war with a country with a real air force, the F-35 would invariably find itself in close-up encounters. It's just bound to happen. Missiles don't always hit, and then all of a sudden enemy craft is close enough to either see the F-35 or pick it up on radar.
+--- 57867211
+>>57867200
+Tom could do it by lowering the thrust on one engine. it's not rocket science
+--- 57867236
+>>57867211
+>Thinking you can do split throttle on a single-engine plane
+>Thinking split throttle achieves the same thing as thrust vectoring
+wew, lad
+--- 57867355
+>>57864021 (OP)
+A pussy so I can fuck it.
+--- 57867362
+>>57866724
+lmao you fuckin nerd they can use AIM-9X
+--- 57867366
+Being able to turn invisible.
+You never said it had to be a REAL feature
+--- 57867367
+>>57866776
+Our inventory of BVR missiles need to be fired at high altitude and supersonic speeds (something that the F-35 is currently specifically prohibited from doing) in order to achieve their full range.
+>>57867183
+>current government communications state that it's not allowed to use sustained afterburner
+>umm ackshyually it can supercruise (something it was never even designed to do)
+the absolute state of nu/k/ope
+--- 57867375
+Nuclear weapons. Fuck escalation management. Every F-35 should be capable of deleting a chinese hive.
+--- 57867383
+>>57864655
+Uuuwaaahhhh muscle tomboy belly
+--- 57867469
+>>57867383
+inorganic forced meme
+--- 57867970
+>>57864021 (OP)
+Stealth payload.
+--- 57868099
+>>57867375
+F-35A can internally carry two B61 nukes
+Pretty fucked up that stealth nuclear bombers were a very limited national asset and now what will be the most common tactical fighter is one.
+--- 57868130
+>JDAM dildos with GOATSE on the tips
+--- 57868215
+>>57864021 (OP)
+Cup holders, at least 4 of them.
+--- 57868376
+At this point a new long range missile is needed, one with ideally the same dimensions as the AMRAAM, possibly using a Ramjet/Ramrocket.
+Also a smaller low cost missile that can be carried internally in the style of 'CUDA', doesn't have to be especially agile, just cost efficient for targeting drone aircraft and cruise missiles.
+Would be useful for thinning out drone and cruise missile attacks, on land or against fleets.
+Also lastly the engine upgrade would be really great for improved range.
+--- 57868538
+Shit Lockheed should have have at launch
+>uprated engines to supercruise effectively
+>better weather protected stealth coating
+Shit I want
+>Airborne laser in the space behind cockpit on the F-35A
+>Specific EW variant that can do everything the Growler can do, and more, without the need for external pods
+>SDB support for bomb bay
+>SDB like missiles for bomb bay
+>Full compatibility with stealth drop tanks, either centreline or 2 on wings - with the ability to be dropped with precision as bombs if needed, maybe integrating the fuel-mix that newer Tomahawks use.
+>Stealth conformal centreline weapons bay for ACLM or extra Meteors/AIM-260
+Shit I can dream of
+>F-35 with dual seats in place of liftfan/extra fuel (made up by with stealth drop pods) for use for strike roles and loyal-wingman control/coordination
+Won't happen because Israel requested it and got told it wasn't feasible
+>F-35A but with F-35C wings without hinges, adding 2 extra external hardpoints and increased range for deep strike
+Won't happen unless congress blocks export of B-21 to countries like Britain, Australia, Canada and Israel
+--- 57870321
+>>57864021 (OP)
+paint it white
+--- 57870413
+>>57864021 (OP)
+I mean it does have external hardpoints. They're just not stealthy.
+Personally, I'd like to give it a second seat for a drone controller or WSO.
+--- 57870452
+>>57864021 (OP)
+A vagina so I could fuck it
+--- 57870469
+>>57867200
+The problem with that is that the F-35 is just too stable for dogfighting. Modern dogfighters are designed somewhat unstable in that once they start turning they want to keep turning or even turn even sharper. This makes them more speed efficient when in a turn-and-burn encounter but less fuel efficient when cruising. It was noted that the F-35 looses more speed in a turn than dedicated air superiority fighters like the F-16 and F-22 indicating that it's more stable.
+--- 57870525
+>>57864021 (OP)
+Non-binary rest room
+--- 57870566
+>>57867367
+>Our inventory of BVR missiles need to be fired at high altitude and supersonic speeds (something that the F-35 is currently specifically prohibited from doing) in order to achieve their full range.
+No, they don't. The longer the missile's range, the less the speed of the platform matters. F-35 is capable of using AIM-120. Which missiles are you talking about? Where did you read this information?
+--- 57870643
+>>57866662
+--- 57870648
+>>57867200
+>And believe me, if we ever did get into a war with a country with a real air force, the F-35 would invariably find itself in close-up encounters. It's just bound to happen. Missiles don't always hit, and then all of a sudden enemy craft is close enough to either see the F-35 or pick it up on radar.
+No. If you get into a dogfight, you're more likely to use your sidewinder (which is why I wish F-35 had better sidewinder support) and run away than get into a maneuvering contest with the enemy aircraft. More importantly, F-35s shouldn't be put into situations where dogfight is necessary when there are dedicated air superiority fighters available. So, I don't believe you.
+>>57870469
+F-22 is a lot more maneuverable and a lot more stable compared to F-16 even if you exclude thrust vectoring. Being unstable is not the only thing that determines how maneuverable an aircraft is. F-35 for sure is less maneuverable than F-16, but in my opinion the difference is greatly exaggerated because it lost some dogfights (not all tests) against F-16 it's intended to replace. The cases it lost aren't really the modern usecase scenarios for the F-35. Also, people seem to compare F-16 unloaded, no external tanks with F-35 full load, this is not a fair comparison.
+--- 57870672
+>>57864072
+Anon...
+--- 57870706
+>>57867200
+The F-35's stealth capability is nearly unrivaled though. If you can't hit with an AIM inside like 20km (probably couldn't be detected at even that range), you need a new missile, not thrust vectoring. Adding thrust vectoring would up the cost for negligable tactical benefit. For the amount it would cost to upgrade the whole fleet i think i'd rather just have more of them
+For everyone talking about sidewinders >>57866724
+One of the F-35's advantages is the internal weapons carriage, which improves aero performance, drag characteristics, etc. If you throw sidewinders on it, you negate those benefits. It's just not meant to be some dogfighting interceptor in the traditional sense. It's a true multirole that is meant to sneak up on you, outmaneuver you before you even know it's there, and kill you while you have your thumb up your ass. If it ever gets in a turn and burn scenario, the pilot will have had to royally fuck up
+--- 57870756
+>>57870706
+So what you’re saying is, sidewinders on over-wing pylons?
+Kinky, but alright
+--- 57870763
+>>57870706
+>If you throw sidewinders on it, you negate those benefits.
+Retard. F-22 is capable of using sidewinders from internal bays. You can definitely fire sidewinder from internal bays and you can use AIM-9X in stealthy configuration without having to expose the thing longer than you need to fire the missile. The problem is that F-35 doesn't have the rails to do so. But if I remember correctly it'll be getting ability to use the sidewinder at some point.
+--- 57870783
+>>57864021 (OP)
+sidecar with a machine gun
+--- 57870828
+>>57870763
+>AIM-9X in stealthy configuration without having to expose the thing longer than you need to fire the missile.
+Correction: You "probably" can in the future. I don't know if it's currently available. AIM-9X just has some capability to lock on after launch not sure if it's actively used now.
+--- 57870835
+railgun and laser cannon. Missiles are for boomers and 3rd world countries
+--- 57870947
+Remote variant so the airframe can be pushed to its absolute limits.
+--- 57871098
+>>57870706
+>If it ever gets in a turn and burn scenario, the pilot will have had to royally fuck up
+Like using supply vehicles for frontline fighting?
+--- 57872161
+>>57868538
+>>better weather protected stealth coating
+Done as of the mid-2010s.
+>>SDB support for bomb bay
+Done.
+>>Specific EW variant that can do everything the Growler can do, and more, without the need for external pods
+It already has this to an extent, but Block IV will apparently give the Growler a run for its money
+The rest would be great.
+>maybe integrating the fuel-mix that newer Tomahawks use.
+The newer TLAMs just disperse and then touch off the unspent JP-10 to create thermobaric effects.
+--- 57872208
+>>57864021 (OP)
+A second engine
+If it is named after picrel it should have TWO engines not one, no exceptions
+--- 57872384
+>>57867355
+She already has a very hot pussy, you're just not big enough for her
+--- 57872716
+>>57870648
+That still leaves the F-35 as far more stable than the F-22 . This doesn't only mean that the F-35 is going to be slower to turn but it's also going to loose a lot of speed in those turns. In a world with High Offbore Shooting, this is basically a death sentence. Having one engine also means you aren't getting the same performance like you'd get from an F-22 because you can only vector the thrust one way. No thrust vectored rolling or throttle steering. Add to this EODAS and helmet mounted cueing and there's little benefit from thrust vectoring.
+--- 57872877
+>>57872716
+>In a world with High Offbore Shooting, this is basically a death sentence.
+You're still living under the illusion that you can actually avoid modern missiles within human limits or that you can outmaneuver more than one (assuming missiles being used within their specs, not extreme range).
+The reality is that in the next wars dogfights are not expected to happen, being seen and being shot at first is the death sentence. Not being able to outmaneuver a missile is kinda expected, missiles are a lot faster and a lot more maneuverable for its speed than any aircraft except SR-71 which can outrun missiles.
+Let's think about a couple of hypothetical air to air scenarios.
+- You engage over long distance (beyond the range of sidewinder). The first one to notice and shoot wins 99% of the time in a contested airspace. No need for maneuverability.
+- You didn't detect a target and when you finally detected a target it was close enough for sidewinder. You would send the sidewinder their way and if you're in sidewinder range it would kill >90% of the time (at least mission kill). You wouldn't continue the engagement though, you would turn around and get away from them if you're in sidewinder range. Why? Because you only have 2 sidewinders so if it's not a kill you're in deep trouble, better take the initiative to get out of certain enemy close range missiles than to engage in dogfight. Average need for maneuverability. You don't need to stay on someone's tail, you just need to get a lock in still miles distance and run away.
+--- 57872938
+>>57872161
+>Done as of the mid-2010s.
+Afaik F-35C's in Naval service have degraded coating. It's still a remarkable feet of engineering BUT the salt air does shit.
+>The newer TLAMs just disperse and then touch off the unspent JP-10 to create thermobaric effects.
+I was thinking that they can use the extended fuel tanks up to say 90% and then drop them as bombs. Obviously not as destructive as purpose built bombs but having 2 extra bombs may still be useful.
+--- 57873067
+This is a tough ask without knowing what features it DOESN’T have or won’t be getting. Ie, adaptive cycle engines are coming. Sensors are already at the top of its size / weight class. In-flight launch and recover drone modules which are still in development. Umm…maybe a rear-ward facing radar? Super-packed SDB rails if they’re not already coming. Internal drop tanks?

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+--- 57864208
+i want a poor tier handgun, because im on a budget. should i get a heritage rough rider, with a 9 round 22WMR cylinder, or a Taurus G3C?
+--- 57864262
+>>57864208 (OP)
+there have been a lot of m&amp;p9 police trade ins floating around recently for around 300. just make sure its a late model 1st gen m&amp;p that does not have 'stainless' engraved on the left side
+--- 57864308
+Taurus G2C for $170 or G3C for $210
+--- 57864344
+>>57864208 (OP)
+There are plenty of shields on discount.
+--- 57864346
+>>57864208 (OP)
+The Taurus is just all around a more versatile handgun for a new shooter to own and use. From my own experience with one, its grip is big enough to comfortably shoot but small enough for conceal carry.
+--- 57864397
+>>57864346
+What is their warranty like? If you did a lemon, how much of a pain is it to get it replaced?
+--- 57864412
+>rough rider, with a 9 round 22WMR
+It's fun but not advised. Get a canik.
+--- 57864466
+>>57864412
+anything above 300 is not on my radar right now
+--- 57864467
+>>57864208 (OP)
+Depends on what you're looking for: are you looking for something more on the fun side, or more on the defensive side?
+--- 57864485
+>>57864397
+While I never had to warranty mine out, I know they have a lifetime warranty, so as long as you bought it new, you'll be able to get it warrantied for as long as you own it.
+--- 57864508
+>>57864208 (OP)
+Also, speaking of the Taurus G3C, consider also the full-size Taurus G3 for around the same price. Comes with a longer barrel and higher capacity, so it might be worth it to go with that instead.
+--- 57864513
+>>57864466
+I was at my local sportsman's warehouse and they had the diamondback sidekick for $280. It is double action, 9 shots with 22LR and 22WMR conversion cylinder. I'd go for that as a first gun over the RR is only because DA is a lot more practical for home or self defense. Can use 22LR for cheap practice. Barrel is long enough to give .22WMR some power too.
+--- 57864644
+>>57864208 (OP)
+Being a poorfag and buying a gut that shoots 22wmr is stupidity.
+If its eh it comes with both cyclinders its fine, but if you know you are broke and want to shoot wrm you are a moron.
+--- 57864674
+>>57864208 (OP)
+if you go cheaper but shoot less often get a .25 auto.
+$100 for the gun and $25 for a box that will probably last you for your life.
+--- 57864755
+Go to your local pawn shop and look around for used versions of good 9mm guns
+You could also look around for anything in .40 S&amp;W, .45 ACP, or .38 special if you have to
+--- 57864772
+>>57864466
+Save up and put it on your radar.
+--- 57864799
+>>57864674
+shoudl also add that the "sub-par" firearms are currently running cheap
+so think about picking up a .32(various) or .38 (only)
+--- 57864973
+>>57864799
+What does it matter if a budget gun is $50-100 cheaper when the ammo is much more expensive, and the durability is questionable? I would always happily pay that premium for a common caliber.
+--- 57865094
+>>57864973
+Model 10s are just fine as long as you dont run +P ammo on them
+--- 57865187
+>>57864466
+get a sw 22A for $170
+--- 57865228
+>>57864208 (OP)
+taurus g2c or g3c, any police trade in of decent quality, or better yet: wait. $300 is not a lot to work with at all. you *might* get something good, you'll likely get something okay, you might end up with garbage. even just a couple hundred more puts you in the market for a P365 or other great pistol. guns are pricey unfortunately, and it takes a decent chunk of cash at a time to get yourself something good. the best thing to do is just close your wallet until it's full
+--- 57865236
+>>57864644
+im not broke, i own an HCAR, i just want to not spend alllllll my money.
+--- 57866010
+>>57864973
+that is why you need to ask the guns store owner.
+for example I own a FIE titan, which is cheap for two reasons:
+>.25 auto
+>made of low quality steel
+if I was shooting hot loaded .357 that would be a problem but most firearms made in the 1970s-1980s are in this category.
+>cheaper steel makes a cheaper gun.
+>cheaper steel guns can't handle hot loads.
+>doesn't matter because the ammo used is never a hot load.
+as a result things like .32 colt and .25 auto are at the nexus of cheap, low desirability, functional maximization.
+what these firearms are not, is a plinking gun. they are intended to be fired once in a great while and then be left in your pocket for a year, when you go back to the range to "re-qualify yourself" in its use. that isn't of question. what happens, and I will use mine, is that the frilly safety features break down and it makes the gun require a special manual of arms. for example my FIE titan has a bent safety, which means that when in safe I can still fire the gun. I cannon get rid of the safety because it holds the gun together, but as I can just use manual of arms to fix the problem, having it isn't one.
+so if you want to 7+1 the firearm it is basically the same problem as a 1911. have to ride the hammer and not drop it on the hammer. so the safety just turns into an extra trip to prevent you, the user, from accidentally misfiring it. the same can be said of any hammer-inertia-bar or hammer-pin fired weapons.
+so if you are willing to put up with that, then getting these cheaper "out of date" models of guns can overall save you money. but if you want something you are going to burn the barrel out plinking/competitive shooting. then getting the firearm OP mentioned at the top is on the low end.
+I own a six cylinder version, I own the FIE titan, I also own a full size 9mm. they all kill just the same. srsly just go to a gun shop and talk to the proprietor of the store.
+--- 57866041
+>>57866010
+out of date but still relevant.
+--- 57866883
+>>57866041
+WAY out of date.That's probably the oldest version of that guide.
+Most of the stuff on that list is either discontinued, has at least doubled in price from what's on there or both.
+--- 57866990
+>>57864674
+the only .25 autos worth a damn are Beretta Model 20s or 21a (maybe a 950 Jetfire if you're okay with losing DA/SA). And those will be around 450-600 new which is out of OP's price range. anything else is basically a hand grenade
+--- 57867079
+>>57864262
+Whats the difference with the stainless?
+Different material, or was it just dropped as they continued to upgrade it?
+--- 57869222
+>>57866990
+>Beretta Model 20a
+you are thinking like a premium. I just saw a tom cat go for $300.
+>.25 auto, a handgrenade
+If you were buying a 9mm I would be tempted, but short of using C4 as a propellant a .25 auto won't explode. you could possibly break the gun, you just need to know how much of a gun is true pot metal and who just used a low quality steel.
+the frame and silde of the cheaper guns tend to be made of near pot metal material, that is Zinc alloy. this isn't a problem because if ti breaks at most you will just have a slight bruise where the back end of the slide hit your face.
+the only things that explode are glocks and ignorant operators. there are a lot of stories of people firing .357 out of .38s or .44mag out of .44 spc. these will explode in catastrophic ways, but a .25 auto is so niche there isn't a way to induce a catastrophic failure short of deliberate misuse. so the reason that such a fire arm is undesired is that the cheaper metal would make the gun fail permanently and as I stated with mine, the parts wear to the point of non-functionality. most of the guns still on the market have survived the stresses of time and are hearty enough to that I would trust them short of pulling them out of long term storage.
+so with that a full size Beretta is more of a hand-grenade than any mouse gun could ever be.
+so what I would suggest is that if you can find one of the better cheaper handguns, you can min-max the relevance and get a gun you will probably never fire for cheap, it is reliable enough to stake your life on, small enough to conceal easily, and cheap enough you have no excuse.
+.25 auto has almost no recoil, .25 auto has the same killing force as a .22mag, better if you can find an actual hollow point, and it technically is more reliable because it uses a primer and since you will be CC the firearm you probably won't have spares.
+so I find any excuse by you to be reasons you want to buy a more expensive firearm.
+--- 57869244
+>>57864208 (OP)
+PSA dagger
+--- 57869257
+>>57866041
+>Oct. 19, 2015
+That shit's almost a decade old, it's completely irrelevant, and was barely relevant when it was first posted.
+--- 57869268
+>>57864208 (OP)
+Don't get the Heritage, save a bit and get a Ruger Wrangler. Trust me.
+--- 57869333
+>>57864208 (OP)
+I like my Rough Rider, as shitty as it is, and I'd take it to the range over the G3C if I had one, but I also only paid fiddy bucks for it. Depends a lot on what you're trying to do with the gun you plan to buy.
+--- 57869370
+>>57867079
+I don't know what anon is talking about, but I will assume he saw one for sell at his local gun store... which probably has a story...
+however.
+Cheaper firearms tend to do things like having zinc-aluminum alloy frames, or polymer frames. these are seen as bad because they cannot handle a lot of pressure and will fracture. as they are considered the primary element of the firearm, "the gun" by the ATF their price is lowered to off set the expense of replacing them.
+lowest quality to highest quality:
+>old polymer (1980-2000) (usually a semi auto, gentile use)
+>cast metal (zinc alloy) (do not use category, this is actual pot metal)
+>new polymer (gucci)
+>cast aluminum (cheaper make, sometimes as stronger as steel, problem is cracking from use)
+>cast steel-aluminum alloy/cast steel (baseline cheap but good)
+>high strength aluminum billet (pretty rare in a standard handgun, basically only used by AR-handguns)
+>stamped steel (rare to find in a handgun, usually a WWII era gun)
+>steel billet (most common, high grade quality and expense to match)
+>high strength forged steel (normally only in revolvers, reproductions)
+--- 57869440
+>>57869257
+the guide was knowledgeable about the inaccuracy of its status, as there is a constant shift in the market, what you use it for is to better understand firearms and teaching about SD/HD.
+>you are a poorfag
+>you have a need
+>if you aren't willing to do what needs to be done, you do not have a need, you have a want.
+>quit being a poorfag and make something of yourself
+>/k/ loves guns, fuck you
+this guide is NOT about what is best, it is about what is good enough.
+a single shot shotgun is good enough, a semi-auto deluxe-pump with a flashlight and red-dot is best.
+a cheap ass all polymer hi-point is good enough, a browning high-power with a flashlight-laser is best.
+a cricket bolt action .22 is good enough, a gucci 10-22 in a custom bull-pup stock with a magnafier and red-dot is best.
+this isn't about what is best, it is about good enough.
+--- 57869466
+>>57864208 (OP)
+the heritage rough rider is a toy gun. the tactical cowboy is absolutely worth $170 of toy but it's not a gun i would ever trust my life on. and not because its single action and single action isn't suitable for self defense. which isn't, but zinc frame guns are zinc frame guns even if you aren't concered with the gun exploding
+some retard boomer will tell you that they just throw theirs in the back of their truck and its no big deal because its $150 but its a terrible gun for a first gun because it won't teach you operating fundamentals and it truly isn't built to last more than a couple range sessions.
+--- 57869537
+>>57864208 (OP)
+Why are you thinking of buying these guns? And why are you on a budget, are you actually a poorfag or are you just stingy?
+If you're a poorfag who needs a gun because they need a gun you're gonna have to put aside your wants for a bit and choose something a little more practical.
+If you're a poorfag who just wants a gun as a first gun then sure whatever, get the gun that interests you so you can get shooting or something.
+If you're just stingy then you're a fucking retard, increase your budget so you're not buying low-tier trash.
+--- 57869595
+>>57869370
+i have a zastava m88a which is made of such ridiculously soft low quality bullshit serbian steel that the slide has marks in it from being dropped and having things dropped on it. the slide is fucked because the metal is so soft
+i have a ruger p89 which has a hard molebendium steel alloy slide and it looks and runs great. its 30 years old
+--- 57869629
+>>57869595
+the p89 is an aluminum alloy, I would know I own one, it is also clearly stated in the material and wiki.
+as for the zastava m88a, I cannot attest to the quality but it sounds like a mild-steel bordering on true iron, which is rare for a firearm. while that effects reliability it doesn't on safety
+--- 57871298
+>>57867079
+>>57869370
+the m&amp;p first gen actually had about 3 different revisions. they changed the barrel, the trigger bar, and the sear over time. the early guns have the 'stainless' engravings. the ones without the engraving are guaranteed to have all the updated parts and an improved trigger
+--- 57871327
+>>57871298
+Did they change from a stainless slide or whatever, or did they just stop putting "stainless" on the slide?
+--- 57871358
+>>57871298
+no, the slide is still stainless steel. they probably just wanted to save a buck or 2 by not doing the engraving anymore. the real difference is the barrel's potential accuracy, trigger reset, and overall trigger feel. the early guns had some issues that got resolved over time.
+--- 57871366
+>>57871358
+Thanks, anon. That's all I really wanted to know. The rest of the info is good too though.
+--- 57871368
+>>57871358
+>>57871327
+accidental response to my own post. see my last post as the response to your question
+--- 57871380
+>>57869595
+>>57869629
+>>57869466
+>>57869370
+I am going to repeat myself because people don't seem to understand.
+Cheap doesn't mean something is bad. the association with cheap guns being bad is because from about 1960-1980 there was a massive influx of new shooters who were attempting to enter the market under the gun ban. as a result of various gun regulation many manufactures did a lot of weird things to jump around regulations so they could make a cheap, affordable, reliable firearm.
+to start with prior to WWII almost all firearms were made from solid steel billets or forged into shape by a blacksmith. during WWII there was a lot of experimentation with using prefabricated parts and stamped sheet metal to make firearms. the Sten-gun is famous for being made from prefabricated parts and the MP 40 is famous for using stamped sheet metal. the principle here is the less you have to do to fabricate the part into shape the easier to manufacture.
+the famous carry weapons around this time were the .38 LC revolver and 1911. there were a lot of other handguns that later evolved into what we view as "full size service" in that time these were small and pocket-able. there were "ladies guns" but they were not as cheap as most are now.
+at around 1950s manufactures started looking at the next generation, taking examples from older models of semi automatic pistol they sought to make them more slender and less bulky. this lead to the fame of the sub-compact service pistol. this also is where the idea of a .380 apc subcompact comes from. examples are the walther ppk and Baby Browning.
+in the 1960s there was a lot of gun bans so the common parlance switched to .38 snub nose revolvers and .25 acp automatics.
+by the 1970s import bans were going into effect and so material resourcing became a problem, cheap Italian and German firearms could no longer be imported. this a weapon like the FIE titan was build so that it could get around import bans.
+--- 57871401
+>>57864466
+If that's the case you cant afford to feed the Taurus so stick with the Roughrider
+--- 57871436
+>>57871380
+cont.
+by this was relatively stable through the 2000s when the bans dropped. when that happened there was a strong push for .380 acp as it had more stopping power and the loss of interest for .25 auto made it a relic ammunition. as a result there are a lot of good quality relic guns that can and will operate just fine. their reduction in price has to deal almost entirely with their lack of interest due to better quality alternatives.
+as for what killed the .25 auto, it was a mix of the .380 acp and .22lr, which sounds weird because the .22lr is older. the .22 lr killed it because it went from poor reliability to high reliability over the course of the 1990s as manufactures adopted six sigma manufacturing practices. the .25 auto was superior to it for a long time because it used a primer-cap. the .380 acp killed it because it did everything that it could do but also has more stopping power.
+--- 57871666
+>>57869629
+The frame is aluminum, the slide is steel.
+--- 57872805
+>>57871666
+right... which is the point that the frame, which is where your hand goes is made from a high strength aluminum.
+which is probably 6061 (a well balanced general purpose alloy) or 7075 (a well balanced high quality aluminum alloy)
+What I have been advising against are guns which are branded as "metal frame" which is a deceptive code for die-cast grade zinc alloy these alloys may use more zinc in them than aluminum. Zamac is a popular alloy. Taurus was infamous for using this kind of pot metal in their gun frames back in the day. they still make them for their south American customers, but they very much won't for their north American customers.
+generally if you have a metal frame gun and it feels very light and almost hollow, that is because it is a Zinc alloy.
+all of this however only applies to older guns. tow thins have stopped all the reliability issues, six sigma and improved materials science. polymer is the new problem as manufactures try to figure out how to make the best plastic polymer. pure plastic frames don't work. the good ones are usually closer to a plastic-bonded-fiberglass or HDPE.
+plastics are very up in the air right now and whatever magpul came up with seems to work well enough.