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k/58009490.txt

@@ -567,3 +567,130 @@ They're B-class submarines in the photo, I believe. Interestingly though, speaki
 >>58058009
 >korabl
 When I was in the the USN I did a side assignment which was an intel course in San Diego. At the end of the course we had to presentation to the CO of the school on a platform. The Soviet GWEF platform was one of the choices to present. I passed on this considering it an experimental platform with limited range and impact. History says my assumptions were correct.
+--- 58072966
+>>58072318
+idk much about the soviet surface navy but I like their ideas, with small carriers and missile maxxing cruisers. Im happy they never had to use their stuff in anger but I wonder how it would play out. its interesting that China is choosing to emulate US navy doctrine (more expensive) instead of Soviet doctrine
+--- 58073348
+>>58072966
+They were interesting. Not trying to compete 1:1 with the USN (and when they did start trying some ideas like carriers and heavy surface units, the budget was already gone so ships ended up tied up or cancelled.) A lot of emphasis on ASW and ships with heavy missiles. Naval aviation less of a priority because it was thought the USSR was large enough to provide air support to any naval units in foreseen theaters.
+China should rely on a similar strategy of a Bastion Defense, not needing carrier groups to project power, but they want them for prestige. So long as there's no actual war then it's an expense which serves the purpose of showing the flag.
+--- 58073371
+I adore those little Kamov helicopters.
+--- 58073687
+Have one i took.
+--- 58073756
+>>58073348
+>they want them for prestige
+They need them to enforce claims in the SCS and project power to secure shipping of strategic goods. They actually have a very large need for naval aviation and power projection. Map is old, but it demonstrates the point.
+--- 58073861
+>>58073756
+Forgot map, instead here's a picture of the JS Izumo and PLAN Liaoning.
+--- 58073946
+>>58073861
+Love to see the Izumo go "Debt of Honor" and turn broadside and put a full spread of torpedoes into the Liaoning.
+> sorry, accident
+> ChiComs, show us your damage control
+--- 58073974
+>>58073861
+Mogged by a helicarrier with F-35s
+--- 58073985
+>>58073861
+Never knew Japanese and Chinese ships ever got that close. Neat.
+--- 58073993
+>>58073974
+>helicarrier
+It's an ASW Destroyer.
+--- 58074002
+The entire boat is a beautiful weapon.
+
+Weapons can be used for good.
+
+Or they can be used for evil.
+
+It's up to the commander.
+
+It's up to the chief.
+
+But there is one plain historical fact:
+
+The US Navy is the most powerful navy ever assembled in human history.
+
+The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship (spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.
+
+Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.[6] Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.
+
+In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$25.9 million in 2021) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($26.4 million in 2021) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($19.7 million in 2021) as the final settlement for material damage to Liberty itself plus 13 years of interest.
+
+>Just pay em off!
+
+>That'll fix it!
+
+>Don't forget to account for interest, like a loan, but blood!
+--- 58074016
+>>58073974
+Sir, there are no carriers in that picture, merely a destroyer and cruiser.
+--- 58074048
+>>58074002
+
+Let's run a quick calculation.
+
+How much is the life of 1 (one) American life according to the godless zionists?
+
+Let's account for inflation as well.
+
+$25.9 million / 34 American soldiers
+
+$761,764 per American life
+
+As long as they have enough in the bank, they can kill as many American as they want!
+
+That's our zionist occupied federal government.
+--- 58074051
+Interesting design for a destroyer. 
+I'm no naval expert but maybe the Japanese should have used some of that deck space for VLS? Maybe they just didn't have the budget for it.
+--- 58074067
+>>58074048
+
+>As long as they have enough in the bank, they can kill as many Americans* as they want!
+
+Unless we rise up in glorious revolutionary war and liberate ourselves.
+
+Citizens, police, soldiers, veterans, all in our militias.
+
+Patriots, people who live liberty, who love America.
+--- 58074083
+>>58074002
+>>58074048
+>>58074067
+Can
+
+you 
+
+stop
+
+typing
+
+like 
+
+a 
+fag.
+--- 58074733
+>>58018633
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCANFAR
+--- 58076972
+>>58074733 checked
+>SCANFAR
+Bless you.
+(reads)
+> SCANFAR 
+> first phased array radar system to be deployed by the US Navy
+> installed on the USS Long Beach (CGN-9) and USS Enterprise (CVN-65)
+> the system proved to be temperamental, 
+> due largely to the huge number of vacuum tubes it used
+> In 1967, the USS Long Beach radar system was converted from electronic tubes to solid state electronic boards
+> Converting to solid state for radar and radio equipment lightened the superstructure 
+> by 20 tons.
+Wow.
+--- 58078327
+>>58076972
+wtf lmao

k/58012524.txt

@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
 --- 58012524
 MY. EXHAUST. IS. HEAVY. edition
 
-Previous thread: >>57886810 →
+Previous thread: >>57886810
 
 Lying about medical record: GOOD (YMMV)
 Lying about criminal record: BAD
@@ -831,3 +831,171 @@ Real men don’t join the Airforce, unless as a pilot, but I know that’s not w
 --- 58070567
 >>58070296
 I can’t imagine allowing my tax dollars to pay for this. I sure hope you don’t either, or else you are just as culpable.
+--- 58071851
+>>58070147
+They're all different. I did 4 interviews, 2 O4 and 2 O5. I had the benefit of being prior enlisted so they all said I knew what I was getting myself into. After that it was a friendly chat and I just asked them a bunch of questions(make a list).
+Main questions is why navy? 
+Why serve?
+How do you feel about deploying?
+I would reckon depending on your job you going for they could ask technical knowledge or a scenario, but they never did that for me. It was really easy, for 1 a commander literally detailed her career then asked me if I had any questions lmao.
+Very nice with recruiter. Mine is a bum, had to always annoy him, partially why I didn't go Navy.
+--- 58073236
+>>58070296
+*saves your failing recruitment numbers*
+--- 58073389
+Is this an effective recruitment strategy, or a loyalty test?
+--- 58073469
+>>58073236
+Wait... The navy are.... Gay?
+--- 58073816
+>>58028759
+Goddamn, I really regret using my friend's wax pen after being completely clean for 5 months. It's been 2 weeks and I'm considering just waiting another month to even talk to the recruiter cause I want my chances of pissing hot to be zero.
+--- 58073882
+>>58070296
+>>58073236
+I don't believe this shit for a second. They absolutely know this will do nothing to boost recruiting numbers, it's just another wave of demoralization.
+Y gay?
+--- 58073916
+Man I'm constantly concerned that 22 is too old to enlist, but then I see some retard at 25+ also considering enlisting.
+--- 58074367
+>>58073916
+Why the hell would 22 be too old to enlist?
+--- 58075201
+>>58073916
+I'm 26 thinking about CG haven't even begun the process yet
+--- 58075509
+35N, 17C, or 17E?
+--- 58075527
+>>58073236
+To be fair American battle trannies would still be better soldiers than the Russians turned out to be.
+--- 58075570
+>>58012524 (OP)
+>Be depressed, lonely, and mentally ill
+>Friends beg and plead for me to get therapy
+>Can't afford it on with my meager retail and still pay
+
+Is it possible to get therapy for free or at a reduced cost through the guard or is suicide my oy valid option?
+--- 58075612
+>>58070253
+I got mine pulled in AIT after they did on mandatory checkup on me and found that there was an infection brewing in the back of my mouth. It was free of charge for me of course so I don't know Why that wouldn't be the case for you either.
+--- 58075627
+>>58073916
+I just joined the navy. Im 24. If you’ve considered all your options and still think I’d be good for you go see a recruiter. For me I got sick of not only living with my parents but going nowhere in life jumping from job to job, and I was working at publix which has a good reputation.
+--- 58075946
+>>58075509
+17C if your recruiter can whip up a sub-six year contract for you. I don't think those exist for that MOS but you might as well ask about it while you're there. 
+Otherwise a three year 35N contract. 
+
+>>58075570
+Get an Adderall/Vyvanse/Desoxyn prescription instead.
+--- 58076245
+>>58075946
+I'm reclassing. Does that make a difference?
+--- 58076889
+>>58067096
+never been but my highspeed buddy failed twice during patrols, I imagine it's difficult for non infantry
+--- 58078340
+>>58028932
+A complete waste of time, honestly. You'll do things ranging from lessons to section attacks. Everyone is your typical left wing Reddit/army cadet know it all type and is only there so they can brag to their civvie friends about how they're a soldier. Join the regular army instead. There are no lefty faggots in regular infantry battalions.
+--- 58078719
+My uncle is very angry at me for wanting to join the army. He was a 12b in Iraq during the initial invasion from ‘03 to ‘06, and he has PTSD.
+--- 58078774
+>>58078340
+Are you in? I'm not so fond of binding myself to the government for 4 years. I was, but I am less so now. I am just seeking the opportunity to gain combat arms training and fieldcraft skills.
+--- 58078799
+>>58028248
+Look up HowToBeAPJ as well as Ones Ready podcast. Seems to be pretty solid info from a bunch of AFSOC dudes. (2pjs 1 CCT and a SOWT/SR)
+--- 58078800
+>>58078719
+He just doesn't want you to get fucked up anon. He cares about you and knows his shit so do listen to him, but remember it's your life.
+--- 58078836
+>>58048346
+If you do something memorable in life and get a Wikipedia article do you want it to say Army or Air Force
+--- 58078848
+>>58058415
+Only bootcamp you should go to is the one at your local gym, fatty.
+--- 58078857
+>>58078774
+not him but im in 6rar and can answer any questions you have about infantry. you have to bind yourself to something, why not something youre passionate about? if i were you i would call the local reserve unit and let them know youre interested in joining and see what they have to say. they might give you a tour and show you what they get up to
+--- 58079086
+>>58073916
+When you’re in your 30s you’re going to realize how retarded it was to think 22 was too old. As a matter of fact, until your age starts with a 3 or 4, being too old should be a question.
+--- 58079100
+>>58079086
+even 40 isnt too old for a combat arms role
+--- 58079955
+>>58078340
+this is bait, do not go active duty. This anon is just trying to bring you down with him
+--- 58080049
+anyone have experience with Navy Nuke? I had to take a test to qualify but I want to know if someone who isn't a recruiter had a similar positive experience with it. while getting an MIT level education in 2 years sounds enticing it doesn't seem to perfectly fit what I'm looking for.
+--- 58080120
+>>58023844
+Slavs treat everyone like shit.
+--- 58080140
+>>58080049
+It's a gamble. It's a guaranteed 6 figure job once you get out, but you're going to be dealing with spastic retards while you're in, chiefs and officers that aren't old enough to drink, and the highest suicide rate in the fleet. 
+
+You're also locked with the reactor you're assigned to pretty much for your entire career unless you go instructor, and that won't happen until you're a chief.
+--- 58080145
+What kind of future job prospects would being in the infantry provide relevant experience for? Are American PMCs still a thing? Do high paying security gigs exist?
+--- 58080154
+>>58012905
+I just recently left one of the big reserve centers in central Texas. Reserve Officers, once you get out of New Jersey, barely do shit except listen to 'please keep your Sailors from raping people and killing themselves' Powerpoints. 
+
+t. sonofabitch who had to make those Powerpoints.
+--- 58080170
+>>58016591
+>Why is the military so left wing?
+
+Are you fucking retarded? The only profession more right-wing would be cops. I think you're mistaking the rainbow washing bullshit at the O8+ level with the actual military.
+--- 58080230
+>>58031238
+I got out as an E-5 (Navy) and some of the best people I worked with were O-3. We fit basically the same role within our categories - tard wranglers, which leads to a lot of solidarity. That being said, most E-5's are on the lower end of average intelligence, with O-3's on the higher end. It's not a big overall difference, and it can vary like some other anons have said. 
+
+The big gamechanger is if they're Mustangs. Prior enlisted come in two flavors: dickheads that forgot where they came from the minute they put on the shield, and scarily competent dudes.
+--- 58080342
+>>58075612
+did they offer you bone grafting, and if so what price?
+--- 58080450
+>>58080230
+>The big gamechanger is if they're Mustangs. Prior enlisted come in two flavors: dickheads that forgot where they came from the minute they put on the shield, and scarily competent dudes.
+Your forgot the third category:
+officers that still try to run the small things like when they were an E-6
+--- 58080568
+>>58078719
+did you tell his dumbfuck soldier ass that it is peacetime?
+--- 58080578
+>>58080154
+I am OP. 
+Why NJ? I am actually in Texas right now. Where you at NAS Fort Worth? I was thinking about doing the full time option if I like the job and culture.
+--- 58080813
+off topic but what is that fuck fuck game where a dirty soldier has to movie his entire barracks room outside and organize it exactly how it was in their room and pull security on it?
+--- 58080978
+>>58080813
+Not a game but it used to be a punishment in the British Army. The recruit (because it was only done to recruits) would have to sleep outside as well, depending on the weather.
+--- 58081074
+What does 11b/11c do during peacetime? That is the only MOS that attracts me.
+--- 58081117
+>>58081074
+Physical training.
+Infantry training.
+Maintaining weapons and vehicles.
+Cleaning.
+Lessons.
+--- 58081134
+is pvt. Hernandez a meme? do weebs really enlist just to go to japan?
+--- 58081181
+>>58081134
+All of the hardcore weebs I've met in the military were black.
+I did a rotation to Europe once and the black commo dude a bunk down from me would loudly talk about how much he loved loli hentai all the time.
+--- 58081373
+>>58080813
+>off topic but what is that fuck fuck game where a dirty soldier has to movie his entire barracks room
+
+
+It's not a fuck fuck game if you know exactly what they did. Keep your fucking barracks clean, or stop being an E-none and move out.
+--- 58081393
+>>58079955
+This. I've learned that Active Duty cucks, just want everyone to be everyone to be as miserable as them.
+--- 58081651
+How does life in the 75th Ranger Regiment differ from a normal infantry unit?

k/58021927.txt

@@ -493,3 +493,27 @@ based and truth-pilled.
 >used to have night terrors about the Grays
 >started praying whenever it happened and invoking Jesus's name
 >the night terrors stop
+--- 58071364
+>>58070428
+based
+--- 58072492
+>>58049236
+kek
+--- 58073074
+>>58034886
+bane?
+--- 58073717
+>>58021927 (OP)
+Silver birdshot. 
+You want to get as much silver in them as possible without chance of over penetration.
+--- 58075859
+>>58049539
+--- 58077839
+>>58049006
+Kek
+--- 58079621
+>>58070073
+I already have a real biological gun loving tomboy with a voracious sexual appetite, I don't need a mentally ill eunuch with an open wound.
+--- 58081157
+>>58021927 (OP)
+Anything would work, load em with Oregon Trail bullets (TM)

k/58029302.txt

@@ -542,3 +542,129 @@ show receipt
 --- 58069588
 >>58069007
 I don't need to
+--- 58071333
+>>58056797
+>buying the same knife 23 times
+--- 58071360
+My father passed and this was in his truck I inherited. I put new batteries in it and it turned right on. It started playing Mexican radio and I thought ha he would have hated it
+--- 58071759
+>>58068588
+Don't be a faggot, keep two max and return the rest to go buy ammo.
+You'll thank me. A little bird told me you'll need the ammo, not the knives. You specifically. In your lifetime. Next year. Work on your cardio, that'll be a key part of whether you survive the event or not. Aim for the chest and don't stop pulling the trigger until they're clearly and surely dead. It's gonna be a hard one to tell in the dark. Run far and fast and hunt them, they'll be hunting you. Don't give up your position by breathing heavily. Get it under control and you'll be fine. Just make the most of your gun. A knife will not save you, slishslash fag. I'd recommend a 44mag and a few reloads/moonclips. Godspeed.
+
+4MY TP0 = make any sense to you?
+--- 58072185
+>>58071759
+>4MY TP0
+Doesn't make sense to me yet. I'll write it down, though.
+--- 58072396
+>>58068025
+>WTF happened to Condor Knife & Tool
+People found out about them. They're popular enough to do MAP pricing now.
+--- 58072451
+For me it's the Fallkniven F1, sharpening is a bit hard, but once it is sharpened, it keeps it's edge for a good amount of time.
+
+I wonder why it's unpopular in the US? Maybe because the prices are a bit higher?
+--- 58073101
+>>58072451
+If you're talking about the ~$400 one, it's wildly overpriced
+--- 58073229
+>>58072451
+the sheathe being a cheap POS doesn't do them any favors. Most people into knives made in Scandinavia are all aboard the puukko train so it doesn't have appeal there.
+
+Basically it's a totally normal knife with decent steel. There are thousands of those to choose from and plenty cheaper.
+--- 58073279
+>>58073101
+Well, these prices are with 19% VAT, if you order outside from the EU it's getting cheaper.
+The shop is knifestock.de
+--- 58073306
+>>58073229
+>cheap POS
+You can select the leather sheath.
+>Basically it's a totally normal knife
+Yes. Not sure why this is a problem.
+--- 58073429
+>>58073306
+>You can select the leather sheath.
+Nobody does
+>Yes. Not sure why this is a problem.
+Because America makes loads of those and there's not much to make the Fallkniven stand out.
+--- 58073610
+>>58053738
+I always liked the cold steel tanto apart from the blade shape, I really don't like the chisel-tip "american" tanto style at all, but I do like this modified tanto style. 
+>Check the secondhand market,
+check this, even with the currency difference this is the kind of pricing in the secondhand market ($160-200 NZD = $100-125 USD)
+https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/sports/hunting-shooting/knives/hunting-knives/search?search_string=ka-bar
+
+so even used ka-bars will cost about the same or even more than a new one from bladehq or knifecenter. Not including shipping, of course, but also with no warranty and I tend to order multiple things when I buy online anyway. domestic stores mark them up ridiculously because the big competitive US knife stores are just not what people here buy from, especially boomer hunter types. I'm seriously considering just getting all of them then selling the ones I like the least because I will 100% get all my money back and maybe even make a little profit.
+--- 58073761
+>>58068025
+ Just ignore the wacky designs like always and wait for them to drop something good once in a while. Love me my Condor Stratos
+--- 58075257
+Any one remember the Ukrainian knife maker on Etsy? Forgot his name.
+--- 58075280
+>>58075257
+Found him:
+https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/1397189619/bps-knives-bk06-ssh-klassisches?click_key=4d8e78ef077838fba14992f5939015bf1589419c%3A1397189619&click_sum=053985a8&ref=shop_home_active_22
+Prices have exploded.
+--- 58075343
+>>58031728
+How do you see a good European longsword as working to cut things? Like it could cut a man but it might break?
+--- 58075372
+>>58072451
+American knife companies are good and have good warranties. Easier to mail my knife to an American company if I need to. Also having the absolute best knife for bushywushy just isn't really a concern for most users unless they run a youtube channel or are the 1% of hardass woodfucks actually pushing themselves out there
+--- 58075535
+>>58075280
+They don't look high what where they before
+--- 58075558
+>>58075535
+Started at 20 or so. They got popular, so the dude raised the prices.
+--- 58075892
+What's a good, small sheath? Preferably something that I can just clip to my belt and keep it concealed under my shirt.
+--- 58077295
+>>58075892
+Yeah, try this great one called "Up Yours".
+--- 58077425
+>>58029302 (OP)
+Picked up a couple blem kershaw's, was getting a leek to replace one I lost and saw this sweet tiger stripe 1776 model.
+Is cpm 20cv any good?
+--- 58078147
+>>58077425
+it is; one of the best all-round steels
+--- 58078178
+>>58029302 (OP)
+are cobratec OTF knives good or just a flashy toy?
+--- 58078207
+>>58073610
+Again, check Aliexpress for a Cold steel knife you want. Or at least you used to be able to. I know both of these were made in Taiwan, (>>58043761) but I picked them up secondhand for $60
+--- 58078563
+>>58078207
+Do they have an official store on aliex?
+--- 58078604
+>>58056797
+It's just larptrash. Knives are either tools used in the field by manly men strong of heart and thicc of benis, or pathetic trash hoarded by LARPtards.
+--- 58078678
+>>58061637
+Military knives are tools. I killed my USAF survival knife (tiny tang, piece of shit) and Kabar in ordinary use opening crates. I can see the survival knife which was originally an aircraft transparency breaker in SEA (the thin side windows etc) but it still wasn't impressive.
+ 
+At least they were free along with a Bitchmade and various multitools (be nice to Supply). 
+
+>>58065898
+Best way to break a transparency (you're not breaking the thicc birdstrike-resistant shit but most of those blow off before the seat fires) is stab as hard as you can to create a crack then kick the shit out of it. I'd rather not have to and a tomahawk would be vastly better.
+--- 58078683
+>>58029302 (OP)
+>while you were practicing the firearm, I was studying the blade
+--- 58078687
+>>58078563
+Nah, but you just have to really look for them on the app. The Taiwanese factories making them for Cold Steel are trying to make some more money on their products. I bought a AliExpress Kobun years ago, lost it and bought an Amazon Kobun right away. Couldn't tell any difference, days apart. Sheath retention and the clip was superstrong on both regards. The branding was exactly the same
+--- 58078783
+>>58075343
+hes not complaining that its European. hes pointing out that any sword will get damaged when you swing it at things. proper technique and target choice will mitigate that damage but you noob ass wont do that. when you hear damage you think some shit like it dramatically snaps in half but what he means is minor edge chips/deformation where you hit a rock or nail or other hard object or simply botch the edge alignment swinging budget excaliber at it. 
+that minor damage is a shitload easier to accept on a 50-100$ beater katana or 5-30$ machete you got off amazon compared to the 300+ it takes to get an entry level european sword. 
+your dumbass will damage whatever sword you buy if you try using it.
+--- 58079522
+>>58029570
+The Mac Tekno Rescue X knife costs around 70$.
+--- 58080183
+>>58071360
+neat

k/58033258.txt

@@ -719,3 +719,83 @@ You can buy those now anon. The most advanced models have rotating hips or neck.
 >>58063562
 >robot butlers
 with a pussy?
+--- 58071326
+>>58033558
+The fact there are so many subhuman government worshipers replying to you just shows how many glowniggers are infesting /k/.
+--- 58071896
+>>58067206
+No match for a bipedal robot with a gun.
+--- 58072417
+>>58033258 (OP)
+>Once these can be weaponized, its basically over
+>>58033303
+Wow, it's like spetsnaz but robot, it truely is ova
+--- 58072502
+>>58065061
+LOL
+--- 58073806
+>>58045178
+So nothing will change?
+--- 58073926
+In blindsight one of the crew members is military and is in command of the drone soldiers that fight the aliens at the end of the book - the point is made that the meat isn't really there to command, it's a safety valve and a leash. Once you kill the human in the loop the robots become *more* deadly
+--- 58073934
+>>58033258 (OP)
+That's CGI
+--- 58073944
+>>58073926
+> How long would it take an enemy tactician to discern Bates' mind behind the actions of her troops on the battlefield? How long before the obvious logic came clear? In any combat situation, this woman would naturally draw the greatest amount of enemy fire: take off the head, kill the body. But Amanda Bates wasn't just a head: she was a bottleneck, and her body would not suffer from a decapitation strike. Her death would only let her troops off the leash. How much more deadly would those grunts be, once every battlefield reflex didn't have to pass through some interminable job stack waiting for the rubber stamp?
+--- 58074233
+>>58034441
+Pretty sure it's just for the dumb vatniks back home who will believe anything
+--- 58074253
+Does it have a force field that blocks bullets?
+
+The fundamental rules of war never change.
+
+But war continues to evolve with society.
+--- 58074283
+>>58033530
+You can disable its electronic components without even shooting it as well. Overloading its circuits or just simply hacking it. You can also physically restrain it with a net and other objects, they push it around with a hockey stick. Also, there are no moral qualms about killing robots, but there are moral qualms with robots killing people. Would the robot soldier get a funeral, or just be sent back to the shop? Real Ghost in the Shell hours. Sci-fi predicting the future.
+--- 58075431
+>>58042499
+>I love the 'send marines and soldiers against AR-15s' and them being outnumbered, like that isn't exactly what was going on in Iraq where we repeatedly fucked them over until we got bored, then they ISIS'd and we creamed them again.
+--- 58075472
+>>58033828
+>This is stupid as fuck. Paid drone operators will just hide in bunkers. All you need to do is hire a bunch of borderline neet retards who hate everyone and offer them chicken tendies to fulfill their childhood dream of shooting everyone up.
+
+And then the second they go off-base to buy said chicken tendies, they disappear, and turn up a week later in a dumpster burned to a crisp with their genitals cut off and stuffed in their mouths. And after that, their comrades, realizing that their actions do in fact, have consequences, will start putting in requests or transfers to avoid the same fate.
+--- 58075610
+What problems does P vs NP involve? Does solving it mean limitless energy etc.?
+--- 58075836
+>>58033258 (OP)
+I thought they were powered by ridiculously large cables. Since when can they run on battery power alone?
+--- 58077870
+>>58075836
+boomer moment
+--- 58078106
+the only advantage this has is doorways and stairs. which is a pretty big advantage, but if somethings worth putting a 150 grand robot into, its worth putting a 200 pound bomb for a fraction of the price into it.
+
+this is useful for...hostage situations or shit like that. like yeah cool its a walking robot, how does it react to drones with grenades
+--- 58078137
+>>58078106
+actually fuck grenades, how does it respond to a drone with a net
+--- 58078810
+>>58033258 (OP)
+>born in time to see the US government send the battle droid army against the chuds
+--- 58078931
+>>58078106
+Yeah but as suicide bombers show, bombs are a one-and-done deal. This can hold ground.
+--- 58079136
+>>58075431
+>Western Coalition dead: 3,500
+>Taliban dead: 53,000
+>Afghans dead: 70,000
+>20 years of poppy field control: Priceless
+yea crushing defeat for the west lmao
+--- 58081796
+>>58033258 (OP)
+--- 58081807
+>>58033303
+>backflips 360 degrees and leaves
+--- 58081894
+>>58033258 (OP)

k/58037356.txt

@@ -431,3 +431,113 @@ Have fun anon, I'm still of the opinion that shooting clays is about the most fu
 --- 58069039
 >>58068997
 Maybe he African Carries
+--- 58070993
+>>58068997
+Interesting. That's how it came, guess the police were using it backwards
+--- 58071712
+>>58053657
+Inertia is cool
+--- 58072081
+>>58069031
+>I'm still of the opinion that shooting clays is about the most fun you have have with a gun in general.
+I agree. It's also the most challenging since it's just "point, swing thru and shoot". 
+>>58071712
+very nice
+what is the caliber (and shell length)
+--- 58072109
+aaand my former turkshit Akkar Altay. It shot actually quite reliable, but I didn't trust the thin aluminum parts in the gas system. My 'new' Auto 5 is build like a tank. Quite literally since everything except the magtube is made out of steel.
+feelsgoodman.jpg
+--- 58072710
+>>58072109
+>trust the thin aluminum parts in the gas system
+JFC, I know people meme about "turkshit" but that's honestly nuts.
+--- 58072778
+>>58037356 (OP)
+Long bois you say?...
+>>58065986
+10GA GANG
+--- 58073018
+I really need a semi-auto again
+But only want M4/M1014
+Maybe later this year after I tackle a few other non-gun related expenses that need my attention
+Love my pumps tho, think I'll take my 870 out this weekend
+--- 58075326
+>>58072081
+Chambered in 12 gauge 2½ inch. Have not been able to find shells for it yet unfortunately
+--- 58075350
+>>58073018
+God I want an M37 so bad bro's
+--- 58075378
+>>58037356 (OP)
+Posted my Remington mod 11 before. Bought from another anon on bst. Needed some work but she's up and running. Great for the clay pigeon simulated hunting course at my range.
+--- 58075593
+>>58069039
+>>58070993
+--- 58075611
+>>58075350
+I love my Ithaca, kind of wish I had got the 4+1 18" instead for aesthetics, but I'll never sell this baby.
+Otherwise the action is butta and that trigger is astonishing.
+This is a newer production I got ~10yrs ago, so no slamfire
+>my 1897 has it
+>like full auto it's fun but mostly a gimmick
+>unless you're a cowboy shooter
+But in removing slamfire they did this annoying thing where if you don't release the trigger before working the action you just end up with a dead trigger
+--- 58075745
+>>58075326
+Look into loading your own shotshells with a tool called a roll crimper. This requires far less gear than loading rifle or pistol cartridges. Upfront cost is low and it pays for itself very quickly since 2.5in 12ga is expensive niche ammo these days.
+--- 58075833
+>>58075745
+Break action or semi? I used to down load some smokeless 2 3/4 shells to the appropriate charge into my Remington mod 1900 with 2.5" chambers and just cut the shells to size. Then reseal with melted bees wax and cardboard. Worked 100% of the time and no special tools required. Also did with black powder for fun. 
+Definitely would not do for a semi or pump though.
+--- 58075862
+>>58075833
+Nvm. Just saw your inertial. In thag case you will need a crimper. But you could still use 2 3/4 shells as a base and down load/shorten appropriately..wouldn't have to worry about seating primers or buying powder.
+--- 58077351
+Anyone here have one of those Take-down Savage 99s with the .410 barrel?
+--- 58078918
+I'm trying to justify a short over under. It's 20" with chokes enough length for geese hunting?
+--- 58079148
+>>58078918
+Yeah, you'll need to train with it more as it's not gonna have the same sort of swinging motion as a traditional goose gun, but it's not like you're sacrificing much velocity. I've seen folks use 22" pumps as do it all shotguns so I'm sure you can make do with 2 less inches
+--- 58079201
+>>58043247
+>He has a stevens
+Tbh one of the best out there
+--- 58079394
+>>58044802
+He specifically requested the opposite of this
+--- 58079443
+Do bump stocks work with semi automatic shotguns?
+--- 58079459
+>>58065670
+>>58065835
+>>58065846
+
+>>58069031
+Is shot trap in HS with my 28” 870, great fun. 
+
+>>58073018
+Me too, I would sell a kidney for a M4 entry with collapsible stock. 
+
+>>58075611
+Ithaca’s are based AF based solely on watching retro cop shows.
+--- 58079628
+>>58064388
+Typically cheap box feds are let down by shitty mags. The other reason they're uncompetitive is inherent to their loading. With tube feds, the meta is to load while you move, if you're not shooting you're moving and loading, top off loading and reloading as a whole is pretty much the skill gap in practical shotgun. With box feds, you can't top off load while you move, and you need to plan your reloads; while moving between groups of targets, instead of loading an extra 4 rounds, you might end up dumping a mag with 5 shells in it for a fresh mag. This adds a lot more planning when running a stage walk through. And don't even get me started on changing ammo types half way through a stage. You also end up spending a shit load on (good) mags that you could've otherwise spent on upgrading your gun. I've rambled but you get the idea, there's more to it than just "unreliable mags". Fwiw I know people who can load 8 into a tube off a belt faster than I can put a new box mag in my vepr.
+--- 58080047
+>>58040088
+I'll take that 1300 off your hands I need a Defender to match my Ranger.
+--- 58080068
+>>58037356 (OP)
+what do we think about birdshot cutshells bros?
+I'm scared to damage my shotty doing this shit but damn it really looks like you're shooting the shot point-blank into your target. I've shot slugs before.
+
+any experiences?
+--- 58081193
+>>58080068
+>birdshot cut shells
+For what reason would you do this?
+--- 58081983
+>>58080068
+won't damage anything, just stupid though
+if you have a pump I'd only load directly into the chamber

k/58041216.txt

@@ -387,10 +387,48 @@ Everyone else after were bigger faggots
 >>58041216 (OP)
 
 unironically deagle brand deagle
---- 58069758
->>58041502
-why do sand niggers have dark areas around their eyes?
-are these thr spots where they start to degenerate into full nigers?
 --- 58070627
 >>58060810
 Stop mobbing me, you haider. If you ever think you have it bad, just look up drachenlord the most hated streamer in germany.
+--- 58071520
+>>58041216 (OP)
+C96, webley, doubleaction 4 incher or longer rebolber, blued semiautomatic with wooden grips , some miniuzi semiauto ....or ...
+Pic related
+--- 58071538
+>>58041216 (OP)
+>Best handgun to fit a metal head aesthetic?
+Big purple dildo
+--- 58074263
+>>58041216 (OP)
+
+this picture is so true. we sold out of all of our xl and xxl female shirts at every show, but never our s, m,or l.
+--- 58074333
+>>58042487
+Hell yeah brother
+--- 58074893
+>>58069154
+The Finngols were cool.
+--- 58074910
+>>58047818
+>handguns represent a certain degree of "finesse" metal is not supposed to have,
+You don't listen to metal do you?
+Go listen to Megadeth, but without the vocals.
+The guitar progression is fucking masterful.
+--- 58074986
+>>58041332
+I would recommend 1914, kanonenfieber and Minenwerfer for any /k/ metal enthusiasts
+--- 58077701
+>>58074893
+based
+--- 58077905
+>>58044441
+Columbine was new when it happened. It was all over the news and was a huge shock to the system. Think of it like a groundbreaking movie that everyone then tries to copy.
+--- 58077918
+>>58041216 (OP)
+Beretta 92 full size nickle plated
+--- 58077955
+>>58074986
+this album had no right to be so good
+--- 58078637
+>>58077905
+So its The Blair Witch Project of spree killings?

k/58043887.txt

@@ -559,3 +559,160 @@ Yeah, I took my time searching through the self defense cases listed on gunviole
 >you may not like it but this is peak preformance
 --- 58070939
 assuming ICE vehicles are eventually supplanted by electrics in the future, will people still continue to make dumb car metaphors in a couple decades
+--- 58071625
+>>58069690
+
+ok boomer
+--- 58071650
+>>58062447
+it's literally a bait image, and you retards fall for it ever time
+--- 58071668
+>>58057531
+agree if holstered IWB and especially if part of a unit
+>>58058144
+safety should work in quarter cock
+--- 58072117
+>>58070939
+
+CZ is the Tesla of guns
+Colt is the Ford of guns
+HiPoint is the Nissan Altima of guns
+
+I can keep going but you get the point
+--- 58072620
+>>58043887 (OP)
+The concealed carry pistol market has gone full retard over the last 10 years. I've always said I'm fine with people buying and carrying whatever they want, but I'm getting tired of the manufacturers and uneducated buyers pushing this "gotta take every advantage you can" mentality beyond the point of rationality. About thirty years ago, the MK23 was designed as an offensive combat handgun, and it held 12 rounds in a mag. But after the P365xl came out, some people consider anything less than 15 to be a compromise, which is evident in the Glock 43x/Shield Arms situation. The MK23 had a H&K trigger and all that implies, but today you need that lightened trigger kit on your carry gun, and of course that manual safety that was on the MK23 would get you killed in a gunfight. Then we add on compensators, WMLs, optics, and all sorts of other silly shit, some of which didn't even exist in relation to carry guns just 10 years ago. Yet nobody ever died in a DGU due to a lack of having it.
+
+And as I said, you buy what you want, but I'm pissed that the whole industry runs on this shit now. Especially the "optics ready" meme that has gotten to fucking up guns for people who don't care about optics. The new Beretta Cheetah sacrifices any realistic chance of aftermarket rear sight options just so a minority of buyers can mount an optic. The Ruger Max 9 has iron sights that can't be bought in a set because the front and rear use dovetail patterns from different manufacturers who aren't Ruger, just for front sight cowitness. I bet by 2040, handguns don't even come with irons, just like rifles now.
+--- 58072669
+>>58043887 (OP)
+>marginal utility
+yea
+--- 58072693
+>>58050000
+(double) double-aughts, it's so over shotgunbros.
+--- 58072746
+>>58069034
+why do people even like 18"? go 20 or 16 IMO, the only reason it was chosen for the SPR was bureaucratic procurement bullshit.
+--- 58072927
+>>58070727
+>>you may not like it but this is peak performance
+As is this!
+--- 58073771
+>>58043952
+Nah, 92ds is a camry
+--- 58073928
+>>58044203
+Pretty much this. Hearing anons argue about AR vs AK is hilarious when they'll both never shoot at anyone and if they did it would be at distances and situations where none of that matters.
+--- 58074001
+>>58059877
+What do you guys even share now that make you buddies? I had a nigger friend when I was younger but we grew apart because all he wanted to do was drugs and fight people on the street. Sometimes the people you see as friends are just people with zero in common that for one reason or another you ended up hanging out with in your youth.
+--- 58074091
+>>58072620
+This is how it works
+
+>Military needs to use something for their niche and specialized missions 
+>It bleeds into LEOs
+>Civilians try to copy cops and military
+>Companies pick up on this and start shilling products
+>Nothing sells better than fear so they either imply or flat out say things like "if you don't have this it will get you killed!"
+>Retarded civilians who have never even been in a fist fight and have zero experience with violence will eat all this up
+>After eating this up they'll start arguing with everyone about needing such item because it makes them feel like a knowledgeable operator and it validates their expensive purchase
+
+Rinse and repeat. Which is why you have people here unironically shilling for things they'll never use in a deadly encounter. And they're serious about it too lol
+--- 58074196
+>>58072620
+>>58074091
+Have you two ever considered that you're now the old men that scream at the clouds?
+--- 58074225
+>>58070939
+Chinese electric cars are unironically an actual hazzard.
+--- 58074281
+>>58043887 (OP)
+Controversial take: the eeeeee helmet was the best thing to ever come to this board
+--- 58074402
+>>58068932
+I don't understand why you wouldn't have a 92fs in condition one.
+--- 58074442
+>>58074091
+Nah. It's like cars. You don't make shit on the basic car, but you get fat profit by charging for options and accessories.
+--- 58074462
+Ancient weapons and hokey religion are no match for good blaster at your side kid
+--- 58074507
+>>58043945
+w-what about 300memeout?
+--- 58074605
+>>58046460
+Total boomer death
+--- 58074835
+>>58074402
+Because its a combo safety/decocker on the 92FS. And not like the HKs where its three position. Its either safety off or safety on and decocked. The exception is the 92X Performance and 92Xi which have 1911 stule frame safeties
+--- 58074876
+>>58074462
+My armorer says this is a good blaster 
+But I don’t speak cat well
+--- 58076505
+>>58045407
+Does this sight placement render the backup sights useless? This is like the 3rd time this week I have seen a red dot sight or scope blocking the backup iron sights. Please feel free to call out my retardation though.
+--- 58076544
+>>58043887 (OP)
+>Controversial takes
+>posts the absolute most basic bitch normie take anyone could possibly have
+Am I getting trolled
+--- 58076590
+>>58045469
+I like the Underwood "EXTREME PENETRATOR" rounds and think they're very viable self defense loads for rounds smaller than 9mm that don't move fast enough to expand reliably
+--- 58076938
+>>58074835
+Gotcha, I didn't know that. I thought you were saying to leave it in condition zero and was confused.
+--- 58077188
+"I need it to defend muhself!"
+
+You aren't immune to the 21-foot rule. If someone wants to invade your space in a public location and stab you, they will. If they venture closer than 15 feet nothing you can do with your cowboy LARP sidearm will stop you from bleeding out... so it's useless there.
+
+Mass-shooting scenario? The insane person (enabled by loose gun laws to start with) is going to be hauling in a rifle with several large magazines and use body armor. If it comes down to it, you're going to get killed by a bigger bullet that penetrates anything shy of cinderblock... so it's useless there.
+
+"I need it to fend off muh guberment!"
+
+If things have reached a level where U.S. soldiers are trying to kill you, I think it's safe to say we're in a post-apocalyptic scenario. The government will shut down the water purification plants. You'll drink dirty water and die, or starve, or get crushed by a mob of informed citizens (they don't need guns to swarm you either.)
+
+Also you're not going to defeat the national guard or militarized police. It's just not happening. They spent 20 years in a guerrilla situation and only held back because of bad press. If it comes down to a civil war, nobody is going to care if a bunch of neo-confederate lunatics are killed.
+--- 58077324
+>>58077188
+>bleeding out
+>posted a stainless mall ninja knife in his deleted thread as example 
+>t. never sawed though muscle 
+You’re retarded: forearm arteries are deep inside the arm and even medical diamond knives and actual war knives struggle to cut though the outer side of the arm. Even inward it’s still too much muscle and veins in the arm aren’t fatal or even quickly debilitating. The idiots stabbing don’t know to go for easier arteries like femoral.
+
+That means using the off arm to slow an attacker long enough to mag dump is medically likely to leave the assailant with life threatening injuries while the cut muscle and veins aren’t fatal to the defender.
+
+Also you posted a stainless mall knife as your I can beat any gun thread pic. Likely to come apart when hitting a hard object. t. antique blade collector wt medical background
+--- 58077402
+>>58077188
+You did do some good though: this illustrates why the carry piece has to be chambered, if you don’t you need two hands to use which equals death
+ Will remember to chamber mine now in case a stabber or rabbid dog chomps on my arm
+--- 58077561
+>>58074196
+I know that's who I am now, but I didn't expect it to come so soon. In the last 10 years, things have changed so much and I admit that I'm frustrated that products no longer appeal to me at all. Out of all the companies making these micro compact carry guns, would it kill someone to make a DA/SA or DAO hammer fired pistol? That's what I learned on and that's what I prefer, but I still like the idea of carrying something small and light. Also, while I don't have anything against polymer, I hate how it mostly doesn't offer any end user grip customization. You can't change the width, nor anything about it, with different grip panels. We see the market going through cycles of finger grooves vs. no finger grooves where buyers are at the mercy of whatever is currently popular, when in the past, you could just change that with a wraparound grip. So yeah, I might just be screaming at the clouds, but at least I know that things actually used to be better, and those clouds are going to get an earful.
+--- 58077679
+>>58077188
+
+Nigga I'm just making sure I'm ready for another bank heist gone wrong
+--- 58079187
+I think the TEC-9 and similar Intratec guns are good and I am trying to see how feasible it is for me to conceal and/or open carry
+--- 58079340
+>>58043887 (OP)
+This shouldn't be controversial, but sadly is. Ambidextrous/Left handed features or designs should not exist.
+--- 58079433
+>>58044023
+That's what a breaching charge followed by 2-3 grenades is for.
+Or just CG the fucking wall with a delay action HE.
+
+"Doorkicking" is for SWAT.
+--- 58079596
+>>58044084
+
+Based
+--- 58080980
+>>58043887 (OP)
+The Fedorov Avtomat and the M2 Carbine are both assault rifles.

k/58044235.txt

@@ -254,3 +254,88 @@ I hate Boomers so much
 --- 58069065
 >>58066380
 Just send the MO, if it's not correct you'll get it back. Also leave bad feedback for poor communication
+--- 58071422
+>>58046555
+>Retail.
+This is secondary market. There is no retail.
+--- 58071436
+I'm about to over pay for a SKS, but very willing to do so for this specific variant. Then I can finally stop collecting SKSes. Wish me luck bros.
+--- 58071756
+>>58071436
+East German or Vietnamese SKS?
+--- 58072008
+>>58071756
+Albanian. It'll be the most common variant of my hard to finds.
+
+I'm not even going to try for an East German, North Korean or Vietnamese SKS. I got better things for my autism and wallet to focus on.
+--- 58072073
+>>58069065
+It's ogre. All he does is wait a year and cash it when the feds quit giving a shit.
+--- 58072093
+>>58072073
+Yeah, that's called mail fraud. It's a felony.
+--- 58072115
+>>58072093
+I don't recall that stopping anyone before. Especially when der boomer ships an empty box to anon and when the feds come knocking, claim anon got the rifle and clearly he's just hiding it. They drop the investigation due to too much plausible deniability in play. In hindsight, simply waiting to cash is a terrible idea.
+--- 58072159
+>>58072115
+how long has he not been responding? Its literally his job to communicate back to you according to gunbroker so everything is on him. If he doesn't respond then he will get yelled at by gunbroker maybe even banned if he is a repeat faggot and your obligation to the auction will be waived
+--- 58072357
+>>58072159
+He finally got back to me last night. The auction ended Monday morning.
+--- 58073785
+Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
+--- 58074193
+>>58045959
+its not a gun if you dont shoot it
+--- 58074698
+>>58072357
+>He finally got back to me last night. The auction ended Monday morning.
+You have to be patient with Boomers; they grew up in a foreign country where things were done differently.
+--- 58075648
+>>58072008
+I now own the lowest quality SKS variant manufactured and down $1300
+--- 58075692
+>>58075648
+https://youtu.be/0JcHchkGcCE [Embed]
+--- 58076885
+>have my eye on really nice old revolver
+>can’t buy because 20 y/o
+It’s still gonna be there in november right bros?
+--- 58076903
+>>58076885
+Drag a parent along to buy it as gift for ya if ya have that option for parent and state and can legally own firearms.
+--- 58076951
+>>58076903
+Yeah I considered that, but they’re full on grabbers. I only have my mosin because I keep the bolt hidden. I’ll just pray.
+--- 58077184
+>>58076951
+If it truly is something you will really be upset about if you miss out on. find a friend or other of age relative you trust, front the money to them so they can purchase it themselves and just have them hang on to it till you are of age later this year. have them legally transfer over the gun to you once you can own it. Maybe throw a little cash at them or something for their trouble.
+--- 58077307
+>>58047020
+Ever tried GP90 in the 57?
+--- 58079189
+>>58077184
+Well how rare are enfield no2s? That’s what really would make up my mind
+--- 58079214
+>>58075648
+This is by far the worst quality, fit, and finish SKS I own. It's also the most expensive and most common of the "rares." But I can finally stop collecting SKSes. Paid the forgotten weapons video tax for it though.
+--- 58079323
+>>58079189
+An original spur hammer No2 is fairly uncommon. a spurless No2Mk1 / No2Mk1* are very common in the US.
+--- 58079353
+>>58079323
+>very common
+Oh shit nice, in that case I'll probably just hold off, maybe get something better post summer work.
+--- 58079758
+>>58076885
+Most likely it'll be gone, but don't worry too much about it. You've got a long life ahead to collect. You'll see another again if you remain persistent.
+--- 58079876
+>>58079758
+Howdy pardner.
+--- 58080371
+>>58079876
+Hello there.
+--- 58080896
+>>58077307
+Never thought of it, why?

k/58044675.txt

@@ -377,3 +377,131 @@ Funny how whenever a board isn't a total /pol/ echochamber you see posts crying
 PK, what is "sledgehammer chicken"
 --- 58070594
 Aho please restock your jap masterpiece patches
+--- 58071224
+>>58064422
+>>58065592
+>>58066518
+>>58071204
+>>58070823
+Jaaannieeess
+--- 58072306
+>>58070823
+NGL i kinda want this one for the meemz
+--- 58072344
+>>58072306
+Not gonna lie, you're a legitimate prancing lala homo faggot.
+--- 58072512
+58070127
+you are just the other side of the same coin clown
+--- 58072659
+>>58066012
+I might, I think 2hu did some like the eyes too 
+not sure if they're out yet tho
+
+>>58070594
+new ones and some older ones will come back soon
+--- 58072862
+>>58072344
+you're most likely not wrong, fren.
+Doesn't change my opinion tho. I hope you have a good rest of your day my dude.
+--- 58073548
+>>58052715
+This is gold. Is there a source for this patch?
+--- 58073630
+>>58070127
+sorry, spamming the exact same bait images in every single patch thread for over a year and actually being outed as a purposeful derailing redditard isn't "a total /pol/ echochamber"
+
+we want good patches not bull shit
+--- 58073700
+>>58070127
+>NOOOOoooo please let me spam my fash-bashing star wars funko pop here & queer petches! Please let me mock you and call you all nazis this isn't how democracy works NOOOOOOOOOoooo
+--- 58073708
+>>58073700
+Good thing 4chan isn't a democracy - it's Janarchistic. 
+TY to the brave jannies for cleaning up the sbam.
+--- 58073714
+I'll post my most-recent collection pic again. I should have a couple more show up at my door in a few days.
+--- 58073880
+I wore this one all the time. John Paul Jones is an interesting guy.
+--- 58075926
+>>58073548
+I'm the source and I have exactly two left.
+--- 58075987
+>>58075926
+how many megumilfs lactating have you sold?
+--- 58076131
+>>58075926
+Do you only order like 20 wtf
+--- 58076145
+If you have an American flag patch, or a jumbo size American flag patch, and you look like a paramilitary, there are some homos at the FBI that think you are a potential turrist. Unless you are in the service right now, I'd only don these on your gear if you are in a situation where you would be spotted and gotted anyways for being detected by an opposing force, like at night time with NVGs.
+
+At night, a lot of people cannot even see you, and if they see you walking around decked out with NVGs and armor/rigs/patches and your AR/AK/whatever they are gonna know what's up. Because the deer don't shoot back brother, at most you could excuse a chest rig for hunting, but you'd have to explain the body armor. If you are walking around in paramilitary gear in broad daylight as a civilian, it's very obvious. I've seen civilians doing that peacefully to protect their communities from riots spilling out, which would at least be appropriate.
+
+So your average American in the suburbs with some plate armor and chest rigs and all that cool stuff could at least have a reason to own it as preparation, and put patches on it.
+--- 58076159
+>>58073880
+>John Paul Jones
+A Patriot that formed and commanded our navy
+--- 58076231
+>>58076145
+Is this one of those AI comments I've heard so much about?
+--- 58076764
+>>58075987
+Like 140
+
+>>58076131
+Generally 100 at a time.
+--- 58076779
+>>58076764
+noice, now do a lolibaba giving birth while lactating and orgasming at the same time
+--- 58077032
+>>58076779
+I think Aho would be able to pull that one off way better than I can
+--- 58077037
+>>58077032
+ok...
+--- 58077171
+Looking for a patch that just says "skill issue". Anyone here make one?
+--- 58078501
+>>58052715
+You weren't able to see his eyes in the original image iirc
+--- 58078934
+What patch panels do you all recommend? I'm hesitant about defaulting to something from Amazon.
+--- 58079128
+>>58078934
+felt square nugga
+--- 58079129
+>>58078934
+Carpet/rug
+--- 58079225
+>>58072659
+Bring anything back from your trip for the store?
+--- 58079424
+>>58078934
+Go buy a yard of black felt, glue it to some foam core board, and tack it to the wall. Shit costs like $8
+--- 58079710
+>>58079424
+Looks like shit though
+--- 58079734
+>>58073880
+Well he was a fighting man
+--- 58080080
+>>58069663
+>lmao anon, he literally told me himself to remind him in thread since he'd forget but thanks for making my restock requests for me
+Like no one doesn't know your dumb back story. Seems you lack self awareness.
+--- 58080121
+I designed a patch and logo that's now the official design for a command. I obviously can't post it without doxxing myself, but I at least know the process for how it's done. AMA. And no, there were no memes on it unfortunately. My XO was based, but that meant he'd notice anything spicy.
+--- 58080168
+>>58080121
+--- 58080521
+>>58078934
+Unironically, pic related. I got the medium size, and it works great.
+--- 58080633
+>>58078934
+alright here me out, get some velcro loop dots and stick them to your wall and then put patches on them. sometimes the dots fall off so you'll probably want to nail each dot to the wall just to be safe 
+
+>>58079225
+yeah I got some stuff but mostly some candy that fuggin baggage handlers all smashed
+--- 58080822
+>>58080080
+I just don't get why it infuriates you, I'm on your side just wanting based patches to be restocked or stocked in general; who cares about the exact method

k/58047541.txt

@@ -628,3 +628,280 @@ My brother in Christ, please stop such unholy behavior
 >strike chicken
 >lpvo
 Anon I…
+--- 58072548
+bump
+--- 58073035
+>>58070217
+NTA but M77's are like 2-6 MOA guns depending the ammo and how hot the barrel is. I wouldn't bother with anything more than 4x.
+--- 58073174
+>>58070086
+thanks boss. Global military gunsmithing in Michigan did it. The guy is good
+--- 58073528
+what are the options for snagging an m76 these days? who builds kits for them?
+--- 58073631
+>>58063450
+Bulgarian slab-side. I'll post a pic when they arrive... I don't think they're Circle10.
+--- 58073659
+>>58069455
+I have a PA GLX 4-16x50 HUD DMR on my Saiga 308. The 2-10x44 or 3-16x44 might be more what your looking for, depending on how far you want to reach out. Theyre all within an ounce or two of each other so i went for the larger objective. GLX series are awesome quality and have great reticles.
+--- 58073683
+For /AKG/
+If I hypothetically fucked up and bought a PSAK for my first AK and want to redeem myself... would building an AK from a parts kit be the way to go?
+--- 58073773
+>>58073683
+Parts kits are retarded. You end spending $2-3k + 6 months to have something made that, at the end of the day, is probably more American than it is an import (receiver, barrel most notably).
+
+Just get a $650 RH-10 and you will be redeemed.
+--- 58073835
+>>58066614
+>not even a chin weld
+Why do people enjoy this
+--- 58073873
+>>58073835
+Mine shoots accurately without a cheek weld
+--- 58073899
+>>58073873
+But how is your hit factor doing, anon?
+--- 58073964
+>>58073683
+PSAK's get dunked on all the time and deservedly so, but lets be real here the are fine for most people.
+Like the other anon said, parts kit builds are expensive and take a long time. The exception to this would be if you did builds yourself but even then still very expensive due to tools.
+--- 58074037
+>>58073964
+I'm thinking I'll just run with it and build it out as I intend to then get some other AKM platform to move all the stuff to when it fails. No import isn't going to be mostly US parts by the time I'm done making it range ready.
+
+Wish Zenitco RDS were available in the US. Sadge.
+--- 58074222
+>>58073528
+Building a kit (most builders should be able to do it), century made one, mitchel import, and AWO built ones
+--- 58074346
+I'm looking for a belt-mounted mag pouch, is the esstac midlength a good fit or should I look elsewhere?
+--- 58074522
+>>58073899
+Faster successful followup shots than the dudes running ARs
+--- 58074637
+>>58074346
+I'll let you know tomorrow as I already ordered one
+--- 58075111
+>>58074637
+Thanks!
+--- 58075443
+>>58074346
+>03:19 No.58074346
+G-code
+--- 58075751
+>>58057151
+Was gonna deban a mak like this myself until I was told the front sight journal needs to be cut back. How true is this? I thought the usa made spiker sights accomated no spiker barrels
+--- 58075807
+>>58068917
+>that sling
+You enjoy supporting businesses that are pro-Israel?
+--- 58076246
+>>58075807
+Everything is pro-Jizzrael.
+--- 58076323
+I just like AKs
+--- 58076516
+My dearie arrived in the mail today, and holy shit does it have the same thickness to it as the tango down AK grip. I'd love to slap this onto my kit builds, but I'd rather not anger their machine spirits.
+--- 58076543
+>>58076246
+you'd think that wouldn't you
+--- 58076584
+My autism knows no bounds.
+--- 58076605
+>>58076584
+Nice pseudotabuk DMR you got.
+--- 58076681
+>>58076605
+Thank you anon
+--- 58076718
+And yes, I am that anon. My love quest is finally over, time to remake that AK63F I chimped out on last year and beg its machine spirits for forgiveness.
+--- 58076772
+>>58076584
+Nicely done you gorilla. What did you use for a stock blank?
+--- 58076792
+>>58075807
+i don't read autistic internet gossip about who does what or supports what so you're gonna have to explain what you're talking about
+--- 58076987
+>>58075751
+I did use one of the PolyTechUSA spiker FSBs, and I think it's honestly a luck of the draw, as I've also heard they don't have the best QC and sometimes the journals don't line up. Thankfully, I didn't have that problem and my builder was able to press it on just fine. Also make sure to cold blue the FSB to match the finish of the rifle, as it's also completely off. I forgot to ask my builder about that but he was a bro and did it for free bc it bugged him that it didn't match lol.
+--- 58077137
+Exactly what I've been looking for.
+--- 58077259
+>>58076718
+>>58077137
+at this point I'm happy for you
+--- 58077266
+>>58023854 →
+The ergonomics on this grip aren't far detached from other chonky grips like the M76 fat grip.
+
+>>58077259
+I'd recommend nabbing one for yourself and trying it, it's absolutely comfy.
+--- 58077410
+>>58077266
+Different anon here, how is it compared to the US Palm or Tango Down grips? I'm looking into something for a more "tacticool" setup and I'm looking into those two aforementioned grips.
+--- 58077513
+>>58076772
+Not sure honestly had my buddy make it
+--- 58077740
+>>58077410
+Same hand-filling organic ergonomics with a sexier profile. Feels rock solid and comfortable as all hell, complete with the taper near the top, though it lacks any storage compartment. Sells for $10 a pop, not counting shipping.
+--- 58077759
+>>58077740
+Definitely worth considering then, thanks anon
+--- 58077894
+>>58077759
+The FAL grip is a shortstack compared to the Tango Down/US Palm grip, so if you really want a thicc, meaty grip for cheap, cop one on gunjoker.
+--- 58078274
+>>58047541 (OP)
+Maadi’s and Russian akm kits ! 
+Maadi’s and Russian akm kits ! This is not a drill !
+
+https://atlanticfirearms.com/maadi-fixed-stock-ak-parts-kit
+
+https://www.carolinashooterssupply.com/ak47-ak74-akm-parts-kits-s/2232.htm
+--- 58078523
+the fuckin SAIGA spammers are hilarious. the only reason people think theyre worth the money is because somebody told them theyre worth the money so they went and bought one, and then to justify their purchase they go tell 4chan about how the SAIGA is the best rifle and such a GREAT DEAL at EIGHTEEN HUNDREDS DOLLARS FOR AN UNCONVERTED SPORTER! So what if its just a basic bitch SPORTER with mediocre build quality and CAST components, its RUSSIAN! KC IS IZHMASH TOO SO ITS LIKE THE EXACT SAME THING! Just admit that you got into the AK game too late and that youre paying $1400 more than you should be paying for literally no reason, REDDIT is jewing you but you dont want to admit it because you dont want to see like a retard for paying over $400 for a featureless rifle
+--- 58078535
+Beryl's in stock at Atlantic.
+--- 58078767
+>>58078535
+And they are gona
+--- 58078883
+>>58057077
+QRD?
+--- 58078935
+>>58078883
+Somebody who had post history on weed growing/smoking forums or some shit was also posting his aks. Reddit mod reports him to the FFA for lying on 4473 as being addigted to weed. That's the gist of it anyways. Not sure if anything came of it.
+--- 58078966
+>>58078935
+Guy had a post history of wild exaggerations and lying, then deleted his account
+--- 58079010
+>>58078966
+IIRC he claimed to be a Fallujah vet and all this other wild shit. Its doubtful that he even got reported because he faked a bunch of douments but the reddit mods didnt do anything to help when they shit their pants and starting banning everyone talking about it. Surprise, redditors are retarded especially mods
+--- 58079044
+>>58078523
+This pretty much. I bought mine for 300€ a few years ago, europoor of course so it didn't need any conversion. Saiga's are ok but crude rifles. The fit and finish really isn't anything to write home about. I zenitcoe'd mine way before the war when prices were way lower. I would never ever spend 1800$ on a sporter saiga... that's just insane...
+--- 58079057
+with the state of current geopolitics, what will the AK community do about ammunition(7.62, 5.45)? There's no way it'll ever be $0.25/rnd for barnaul ever again and it hurts
+--- 58079109
+>>58079057
+Shit I'd be happy with fuckin gas prices dropping below 3 fucking dollars. We're back up to $4.30 a gallon here and I think people are starting to accept it as "the new normal."
+I'm so sick of clown world bros.
+--- 58079246
+>>58078535
+They also have 7.62x39 made by Bishkek Stamping Plant in Kyrgyzstan in stock. That plant makes 5.45 so why hasn’t anybody imported it yet?
+--- 58079317
+>>58078523
+i got my saiga 12 for $400 in 2017
+--- 58079499
+>>58079246
+Soon™
+Honestly though, probably soon. There's a bunch of paperwork and bureaucracy that goes into arms imports. Just 2 more weeks amirite?
+--- 58079552
+>>58078935
+why did they report him to the Future Farmers of America
+--- 58079627
+>>58079552
+He means it was a free for all, kids these days call them "battle royale"
+--- 58079679
+Another day, another batch of 5.45 gear being dumped on AK Files. Tick tock!
+--- 58079693
+Planning to order Beryl rifle from Arms of America. Why is it giving me the option of different barrel threads and what could I do with them?
+--- 58079706
+>>58079693
+And yes, I know they aren't in stock (YET)
+--- 58079715
+>>58078935
+Regardless if it’s true or not, that’s a faggoty thing for the leddit mod to do.
+--- 58079746
+>>58075111
+turns out i got it today
+Retention is pretty good, although parallel (to the body) motion is pretty obvious (probably due to the extra space needed for the front/rear lugs). so the mag will rock back and forth about 1/2 inch (but not side to side).
+i would be confident with quick movement and stance transitions, any ninja rolling and i'm sure they will fall out
+(m4 mag, palm-30 (thickest), kci tanker 20, bulg polymer-30, bulg steel-30)
+>>58075443 Honestly might pick up a pair of these to compare
+--- 58079748
+>>58079679
+Gib sub-$400 tins of 7N6 pls
+--- 58079878
+>>58079715
+druggies deserve public executions the mod was based
+--- 58079886
+Getting my weekend range time in a day early tmrw. Gonna set up like 50 clay pigeons on the berm and mag dump into em. Don't forget boys.
+--- 58079960
+>>58079886
+Nice. Have a good time. My range is covered with those. Many of them are unbroken so I always pick up as many as I can carry when walking back from setting up targets and take them home for my backyard plinking range. My boys like to smash them against rocks and logs.
+--- 58080106
+Did these faggots raise the price for beryls again?
+--- 58080122
+>>58080106
+Quit your kvetching and pay up, goyim.
+--- 58080214
+Greetings Komrades!
+
+I was wondering about 922r shit. 
+with recent court rulings, namely the common use test that is the new standard, Ak type rifles are clearly in common use. That alone makes them legal to own as bearable arms. Would that same thing also allow for the eventual nullification of 922R? since a non 922R AK type gun would be illegal, and the common use test dictates that AK type rifles are legal, would that extend to mean that non 922R weapons would be de facto legal?
+
+Not sure if there is a better thread to ask in but this was a place to start.
+--- 58080295
+>>58080214
+922r is fake and gay
+--- 58080367
+>>58079746
+Hmmm thanks for the write-up. I might investigate the others a bit more and see how their retention looks.
+--- 58080856
+>>58080214
+Ask God and it shall be nullified
+--- 58080864
+>>58080214
+>922r
+Who gives a fuck? First of all it is for importers. Even if it weren't, I still wouldn't care about that goofy shit. If some Fed faggot is looking that closely at my rifle, taking it apart to look for little "USA" stamps then I'm already extremely fucked for whatever else it is that I did to get to that point or I'm dead. Still, not going to happen because only hyper compliant spergs on the internet know or care about 922r.
+--- 58081025
+Aah shit, this FAL grip's a bit short for the standard AK screw. Unsure if the standard length is 4.5", maybe a 4" might work, or perhaps a couple washers inside might help?
+--- 58081099
+>>58081025
+Just try it out, don't go by that side by side comparison without actually trying the screw. It could be the more intense angle of the FAL grip that makes it work
+--- 58081133
+>>58047541 (OP)
+>>58055767
+>>58057077
+>>58068687
+>>58077266
+>>58078935
+>>58078966
+>>58079010
+>>58080214
+reddit general
+--- 58081171
+>>58081133
+The only reason we know about this is because that faggot mod turned up here after he got chased out
+--- 58081247
+>>58081099
+Oh no, I've actually tried it on a blank receiver and the grip screw went all the way through without securing it properly.
+--- 58081253
+>>58081204
+weird, wonder why it's labeled an AK grip then when you bought it
+--- 58081264
+>>58081253
+It's clearly meant for AKs, though it might need a shorter grip screw or spacer to properly fit.
+--- 58081380
+>>58054893
+Kneel.
+--- 58081391
+>>58079044
+>>58079317
+Yes, we know every single anon who owns a saiga got them at the exact right time and definitely didn't overpay for it. Only Morons on reddit would ever do that.
+Stop trying to gain acceptance from a pasta and just know that no matter what you paid or when you did it, no one cares and no one will believe you
+>t. Proud saigatranny owner
+--- 58081392
+>>58081264
+As seen in >>58076718, that grip screw doesn't resemble a normal AK grip screw. I'll visit home depot and see if they have any just like it.
+--- 58081503
+>>58081391
+Nice photo
+--- 58081754
+Does anybody know where to get a full auto jig for milled receivers? I accidentally bought a jig for stamped receivers, and I can't find any jigs for milled receivers online. I guess it's more popular to buy 80% stamped AK receivers and drill them out.
+--- 58081829
+>>58081754
+Alternatively, if anybody knows the exact placement of the holes, then I could just take some measurements and centerpunch the approximate place the holes belong in.

k/58048363.txt

@@ -317,3 +317,70 @@ I love Crazy Hassan's Firearms Emporium and Camel Rental
 --- 58069209
 >>58054306
 that's what I'm saying
+--- 58071920
+>>58048531
+2 goats
+--- 58071947
+>>58048565
+Anybody answering anything but the Remington is an idiot
+--- 58072487
+>>58071947
+This, but the garand
+--- 58072554
+>>58063700
+roll for the 2/9 chance to get something not soviet
+--- 58073122
+>>58050845
+>What do you mean overchar *ACK*
+--- 58073617
+>>58069135
+>human ears
+>also cat ears
+Dafuq?
+--- 58074742
+>>58073617
+One set is for high frequency sounds the other for low. Also very good triangulation.
+--- 58074753
+>>58048363 (OP)
+>Bombs, rope, or lamp oil?
+--- 58076804
+>>58048565
+Almost went for the M-16 so I can have a helicopter. Problem is I still have to pay for fuel, maintenance, and insurance. Lots of insurance. Go for the Garand to help out taking care of the house and save money.
+--- 58076833
+>>58048363 (OP)
+I need another one of these like in the one in the picture.
+What happened to the last one you ask? 
+I wouldn't worry about it.
+--- 58077257
+>>58063086
+>what kind of camel has no humps, no hooves and drinks no water?
+--- 58077370
+>>58076833
+Did you disassemble your gun again and didn't get it back together?
+--- 58077469
+>>58048531
+thats a psl
+--- 58080149
+>>58073122
+>It's me Gordon, Barney from *ACK* Mesa
+>Hey sorry for the scare, I had to put on a show for the mods
+>I've been working undercover for with the jannies. I can't take too long, I'm way behind on my unpaid labor quota
+--- 58080370
+>>58048363 (OP)
+*flashes BSAA badge*
+0 backup
+1 dead team
+1 big knife
+1 wonder nine
+2 magazines
+--- 58081469
+>>58080370
+kek
+--- 58081569
+>>58073617
+--- 58081589
+>>58048363 (OP)
+72 of your finest virgins please, and also AKs-74u
+--- 58081669
+>>58048565
+1911 giving you 10+ Charisma so that life turns out like a Fallout game where you crush every interaction is mint. You can even end up like the picrel guy who used his high charisma stat to land the lab gig.

k/58049621.txt

@@ -672,3 +672,136 @@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEP39EovJ0k [Embed]
 >>58066237
 >I'd expect the gas tube to clog up really
 NTA but I wonder if running a smokeless round through the gun every mag or so would clear it out. That's what people do with the .22 conversions for ARs. Or so I hear.
+--- 58071766
+>>58070516
+Hmmmm, it looks like BP lube will be necessary. I have some 405 grain gas checked lead projectiles that have lube grooves I could fill, but those particular ones may foul the gas port with lead.
+--- 58072042
+>>58059718
+Because the bullets are not ripe, the manufacturer harvested them too early...
+--- 58072164
+>>58071766
+What is blackpowder lube, anyway? It seems like I read that they use a mixture of beeswax and lard on cast lead bullets to be loaded in cartridges with black powder.
+--- 58072177
+>>58072164
+I use a mix of tallow, beeswax, and a bit of vegetable oil. About 4:4:1. It mixes with the BP fouling and stops it from hardening. Makes cleaning hilariously easy in most cases.
+--- 58072242
+>>58072177
+Ah, okay. I've read that you can make your own homemade bullet lube for smokeless powder cartridges by mixing beeswax and white synthetic lithium grease 50-50 by weight and melting it in a double boiler. You probably won't want to use the pan to cook food afterwards.
+--- 58072395
+I work at a gun shop. I was showing a gun to a guy. His buddy told him to "ghost the trigger." What does this mean? As far as I can tell, he was saying to dry fire it in kind of operator/cringe way.
+--- 58072420
+>>58072395
+It means that the trigger called him but he wouldn't pick up or answer the voicemail.
+--- 58074249
+>>58072420
+Sad, many such cases.
+>>58072395
+I think that's what he was talking about, but I've heard people use all manner of obscure, inaccurate or made up terminology at gun stores.
+>>58068987
+Find a source for really inexpensive guns that have issues. Gun stores that deal in used firearms for instance frequently receive a whole bunch at a time from an estate and a few aren't sellable, so they like to know people who tinker and dump the guns they don't want to deal with on them for cheap.
+>>58068907
+It would likely penetrate deep enough into your vitals to be imminently life threatening, you'd likely go into shock and die if not treated quickly.
+>>58067749
+Between the two, the cheap shit one. RIA is ok for the money, Kimber is not. Like the other Anon said if you are willing to spend Kimber money spend less than that on a Springfield which will be better. Their 1911s are genuinely pretty solid all round.
+--- 58074292
+I want to order some gloves from Mechanix and for Palm width i'm medium, but finger length small, which size should i take?
+--- 58074567
+>>58074292
+Go try them on at a store first
+--- 58075051
+Does anybody else ever feel unsure of how honestly good/bad they shoot? I mostly shoot my subcompact and try to push out either range or speed from draw. I think I do pretty alright, and looking at average pistol shooters IRL around me I do much better than most. But online any target I post gets a barrage of people acting like it’s unsavable garbage tier shooting. But I rarely see people who give advice posting their targets, or it’s people with ultra full size competition guns, rarely people posting pics of carry gun targets. Maybe I suck, maybe I’m mid, I am just kind of mindfucked and wonder if others ever get that feel?
+--- 58075077
+>>58050300
+>>58050440
+bait
+--- 58075090
+>>58075051
+Ignore people online.
+--- 58075414
+>>58069479
+Not that guy but, power bars are good if they're calorie dense, some aren't. Inline filters with squeeze pouches pack down smaller but hey, use what you got. I would add one pair of good stout socks. It adds very little weight, helps muffle any noise gear makes bouncing around and you can never, and I mean NEVER, have enough clean socks.
+--- 58076592
+Anybody experimented with brown/coyote dyed for UCP? My one experiment turned out way way too dark.
+--- 58076630
+Ages ago someone posted some cool videos of a thing called "practical rifle" from 1980s England, does anyone have it?
+--- 58076771
+Would you consider an Opinel No. 6 a "common pocket knife"? Pic related.
+Question background: I would like to conceal carry a knife and in Florida state law any common pocket knife under 4 inches can be concealed carry; however, "common pocket knife" actually means something that won't spook a cop or a jury.
+--- 58076784
+>>58076630
+I dont have it on my phone but just Google "Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms". I've only seen volume 3 in the wild but it has sten blueprints, shitty semi auto pistols, a few shotguns, and several machine pistols
+--- 58076788
+>>58076784
+No it was a video of british practical shooting techniques, not how to build machine guns in your garage etc.
+--- 58076818
+>>58076771
+Yeah it's fine, if it's an older model you'll want to notch the ring for a blade lock and do something about a pocket clip.
+--- 58076912
+>>58076771
+I just carry a RAT.
+--- 58077225
+>>58076771
+>Opinel No. 6
+Yes, I'd say that's a "common pocket knife". I'm sure that is legal speak to exclude shit like switchblades, balisongs/butterfly knives, gravity knives, etc. But there's certainly no bad optics for an opinel, that's about as old school as it gets.
+--- 58077976
+>>58076788
+>british practical shooting techniques
+Well thats like taking advice from a vegan on how to cook a good steak
+--- 58078553
+>>58077976
+Don't be a faggot and just find a good video.
+--- 58078647
+>>58075051
+What's an "average pistol shooter?" Every time I go to a public range I am astounded and mindboggled by the level of rampant herp derpery I see from people who have guns in their hands. I see people talking on a cell phone while shooting one-handed. I saw a guy blasting away with a pistol in each hand, not getting on a two by four foot B27 silhouette at fifteen feet more than a third of the time. At ranges that rent guns, I see groups of people sharing the Deagle Brand Deagle "fiddy," and a brain cell, all the time. I see jaw-dropping idiotic behavior with guns, often from guys who say they're "veterans" when politely asked what the actual fuck they're doing. Are they "average?" They're the tiny fraction of 1% who chose to go to the range instead of buying the gun, loading it (or not), putting it in the sock drawer, and leaving it there until it's found and sold at the estate sale forty years later. And they may be neck and neck with the average cop for weapon skills. On the other hand, if I were to join the nearest indoor range's Wednesday night smallbore bullseye league, I already know I'd finish dead last, by a long, long way,
+--- 58078851
+>>58078647
+I suppose that's what makes me so unsure, I don't know what average shooting looks like. Last time I posted a target, it was a group about 8 inchs inside of a printer paper sheet target at 15 yards, using my actual carry subcompact, firing begining from draw without pause and then steady pace of shots. I thought pretty good myself, but lot of comments were making me think I was dong so badly to restart my entire technique from scratch, but then again a lot of comments didn't seem to realize 15 yards and 15 feet are different. I dunno. Would be nice if I could figure out some kind of acceptable metric. Internally, stuff like this eats at me
+--- 58078989
+>>58078851
+That'd be good enough to pass the Army pistol qual test, thirty for thirty, no misses, no do-overs, no alibis, and get "Expert" on the first try. Of course, pistol training and the associated standards in the Big Army have been a joke for a very, very long time.
+--- 58079661
+>>58078553
+--- 58079721
+>>58075414
+Trust me, I'm well aware of the benefits of having socks handy. I have a Sawyer squeeze but I just trust a pump a bit more.
+--- 58080148
+>>58068971
+It'd be cruel and unusual to kill someone with sprinkles of #9 birdshot out of a rifled barrel. Those loads can't even kill squirrels up close but the #4 ones are slightly better. I looked at them cause maybe there's a use case for hunting squirrels or something up close but pretty expensive need to look into people that handload em.
+
+
+>>58078851
+I think I had that same problem. Assumed I might as well put my target out to the 25yd fence barely getting on paper with a compact running cheapo ammo and then comparing the results to people's rifle groups with optics.
+--- 58081163
+>>58049621 (OP)
+I've started getting pretty heavy pain in my trigger finger on my right hand, how can I tell between a potential sprain vs arthritic pain? It starts at the knuckle of the finger and goes up to the tip of the finger when I move my finger around, or do a trigger pull motion. Whilst it's not life ending, it's distracting enough to impact my day to day, it seems to have randomly started on either Tuesday or Wednesday. Anyone else had to deal with anything similar?
+--- 58081228
+>>58081163
+I had similar pain, turned out my pecs were tight and were compressing nerves. Physical therapist showed me how to do a Corner Pectoral Stretch and it fixed my pain and added 15% to my grip strength immediately. It’s kinda like how you can get lower back pain from your hamstrings being tight.
+--- 58081252
+>>58081228
+Huh, I'll look into that thanks Anon, also starting to realise /fit/ may have been the place to ask, just as I've been doing a bit of dry fire in the home and shooting a lot I thought it might be more related to that as it's only effecting my trigger finger.
+--- 58081308
+>>58049621 (OP)
+I took a break for like two years, why is the catalogue all military and politics instead of firearms threads? This shit is like /pol/ bit even gayer somehow.
+--- 58081316
+>>58081308
+Wait until you see what happened to /tv/, apparently there was a massive ban wave on /pol/ which would explain a lot.
+--- 58081358
+>>58066500
+Nah, when you live in a state that limits your mag capacity, .45 is great. I can only legally carry a 10 round magazine anyway so .45acp 10mm, and .357 are all nice to keep in mind.
+--- 58081370
+>>58081316
+Wow that's incredibly gay, thanks for the update.
+--- 58081405
+How does .308 compare to .300 blk in terms of subsonics? Seems even more versatile at the cost of usual .308 downsides.
+
+Just been thinking about it in something like a suppressed Tavor 7 with an optic and red dot setup, maybe one of them idf grip and bipod combos, would be a pretty do it all gun. Whole setup would be about $4k and 13 pounds loaded which isn't great but I've been eyeing it for when I have money again.
+--- 58081765
+>>58063551
+My best guess is polish PM-63 Rak
+--- 58081824
+>>58067273
+?? They didn't burn the boats, they dismantled them and transported them inland to attack Tenochtitlan
+--- 58081961
+>>58067287
+Since the 80s at least, maybe even sooner. Started with sharpieing your name there, by the mid 1990s there already were narrow embroidered name tapes in the system intended for goretex parkas (worn on the left arm pocket) and helmet bands.

k/58051478.txt

@@ -267,3 +267,219 @@ Same bro. I took care of some cattle while the dickhead owner was in hospital an
 --- 58070190
 >>58051687
 Nice beaver
+--- 58072019
+>>58051478 (OP)
+Idk. I was on fireguard one time and heard a rustling behind a dumpster. Im tired as hell and its like 2AM. I go to check it out and this hilariously fat groundhog popped out of the side of said dumpster and startled me into screaming "what the FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE MOTHERFUCKER!!!" 
+This guy was galloping across post like a walrus at mach 3. Was kinda funny in hindsight.
+--- 58072130
+>>58067882
+It's a Russians spy, kill it. Stuff a grenade up it's anus, rape it hard, pull pin, run.
+
+Feel better?
+--- 58072339
+>>58058414
+Polish reinforcments, nice
+--- 58072415
+>>58051478 (OP)
+Should have just shot it
+--- 58072431
+>>58059769
+>hated his soldiers
+When Stillwell visited Merrill's Marauders, their officers went round and collected up all the ammo because they were worried one of them would shoot him. 
+When the chindits came out of the jungle, rather than order them back to the rear to resupply, reorganise etc. he gave orders that the survivors should guard a anti-aircraft battery thousands of miles from where any japanese troops were out of sheer spite. Eventually the commander of the battery went to Stillwell to beg that the chindits be sent to the rear to get some rest. 
+I don't get why Americans now love him so much, he was just a giant asshole as far as I can tell.
+--- 58072496
+>>58059769
+>Montebatten
+
+He was also a hardcore simp for Grand Duchess Maria, one of the murdered Romanov daughters. Kept a framed photo of her by his bedside right up until the IRA blew him up.
+--- 58073034
+>>58058311
+Bro trust me I work in wildlife rehab, you wouldn't want a beaver to bite you. They often kill each other over territory so taking down a human is a bit of a stretch, yeah, but still it is possible
+--- 58073145
+>>58069687
+>His son was an actual retard tho and im glad i ate him
+
+Owner's son?
+--- 58073155
+>>58072019
+Groundhogs eat my garden and my area is too cucked to allow me to shoot them.
+--- 58073181
+>>58051687
+Bro just wants to inspect the engineering works usage as waterways once the war has moved on.
+--- 58073199
+The Viet Cong used spiders and snakes to guard and trap their tunnels.
+
+Nature can work in your favor, and provides resources for free.
+
+But that is guerilla warfare, not the same as conventional war.
+
+There is some overlap, special forces uses guerilla tactics.
+
+I'm speaking blind to the political context or who posted this.
+
+Just discussing the technical nature of war itself, which I love to do.
+--- 58073265
+>>58051776
+top kek, there's plenty of instagram and tiktok videos showing salties casually strolling just off the shoreline, seeing a human, and immediately beelining to them, only slowing down on the water's edge and even then they're just getting ready to sprint at them i.e. "ambush" the person that's standing 20m inland
+ambush predator doesn't mean they sit in one place with their mouth open, waiting for you to jump into their jaws
+salties will kill you because you're in their territory, not just to eat you
+--- 58073509
+>>58051776
+t.
+--- 58073977
+>>58059511
+Some poor kid from Nebraska lied about his age, ended up on the Happy Jap-Slapping Trail, and ended up being pestered by dozens of leeches, beetles and other critters. He's the only guy who ever had to deal with them and his unit probably joked about it for decades.
+
+Then he goes home and ends up telling grandkids that it fucking sucked and never thinks about the potential scientific implications.
+--- 58073989
+>>58051631
+I believe those boomers and japs were afraid of crocodiles and screaming like girls whenever they saw them, and probably a few did get eaten, but I doubt it was more than a few. Crocodiles IRL aren't really the bloodthirsty beasts boomers make them out to be.
+--- 58074011
+>>58059769
+>>Had dysentery so bad, they cut out the back of their pants so they could shit without having to pull them off
+how can men be so based kek
+--- 58074044
+>>58051687
+OH thank god, I thought he was dragging a platypus by the bill at first.
+--- 58074050
+>>58058137
+hello post10
+--- 58074073
+>>58073265
+People underestimate how smart crocodilians are. They raise offspring, use bait sticks to tempt nest building birds and are semi monogamous breeders going by mate preference studies in gators. Niles also seem to hunt semi communally. They aren’t just big lizards. I’d say they are probably near a cat or a hawk in intelligence.
+--- 58074075
+>>58057918
+why read when you can see?
+--- 58074100
+>>58058414
+Milk delivery!
+--- 58074167
+>>58074075
+That’s a bit of perspective trickery 
+Scolopendra dehaani only gets 10 to 12 inches with 14 like max.
+--- 58074172
+>>58074075
+How the fuck can people live in jungles? Jesus Christ and I thought mosquitoes were bad enough, that is not suitable for human habitation.
+--- 58074205
+>>58074172
+My father was deployed in Central America for a while. He said the big spiders and centipedes sound like squirms or birds rustling through the leaves so they weren’t too bad to avoid. It’s the small things that get in your boots.
+--- 58074426
+>>58054180
+>>58054011
+Wounds+ swamps is a bad combo beyond crocs aswell. Imagine the infections
+--- 58074447
+>>58074050
+That guy sure have feelings about beavers
+--- 58074486
+>>58058187
+More likely killed by diseases, drowning and exposure
+--- 58074515
+>>58059193
+Not long ago there was a hunter here in sweden that was probably killed by a boar
+--- 58074543
+>>58074515
+Pigs are based. Boars are fucking devils
+--- 58075690
+>>58074515
+Get charged, loser
+--- 58075834
+>>58073509
+Aww, look he's smiling!
+--- 58075843
+>>58066565
+cows are notoriously curious dumb ass
+--- 58076462
+>>58058333
+>In massive body of water
+>drown
+--- 58076555
+>>58076462
+I meant
+>die of dehydration
+--- 58076565
+>>58073509
+he just said he was Australian, didn't say species
+--- 58076824
+>>58074515
+My coworkers brother got downed by a boar, gored in the leg a few cm from the femoral artery, wrestled on the ground and only survived because his dog distracted it enough to grab his rifle. He was back hunting moose a few weeks later. I also killed one but it was hit by two confused idiots so three confused idiots hit it on the head with a metal spit until he went forever sleep. F porker even though you are a pest.
+--- 58078469
+>>58076555
+Salt water does not help against dehydration.
+--- 58078512
+>>58074073
+They also seem to forget just how good they are at what they do. They found their niche and have 94 million years of specialization in their behavior.
+--- 58078659
+>>58074167
+That's what she said
+--- 58078666
+>>58074073
+>near a cat in intelligence.
+Utterly fucking stupid, lazy and useless?
+--- 58078724
+>>58066565
+They sent the bull to a new home
+--- 58078732
+>>58078724
+--- 58078739
+>>58078732
+--- 58078745
+>>58078739
+--- 58078750
+>>58078745
+--- 58078754
+>ukrop nazis are utilizing beast masters and shamans
+EPA crime!
+--- 58078763
+Seeing ukies take good care of animals just makes the orcs seem even more comically inhumanly evil
+--- 58078773
+>>58078763
+Best Russians have is the pillaging of the Kherson zoo before the retreat.
+--- 58078784
+>>58078773
+And on the worst side, there's that one video from the early days of the war where vatniks tortured and killed a cat
+--- 58078919
+>>58078666
+Incredibly lazy but also extremely efficient at killing, yes.
+--- 58078939
+>>58078698
+There's something oddly cute about moles
+--- 58079005
+>>58057962
+I found out how many leeches is necessary to prevent clotting completely first hand. After about 20 bites your wounds will just ooze until the blood dries into a smooth, plasticky layer.
+--- 58079029
+>>58078666
+>doesn't comprehend how intelligent you have to be to afford the luxury of being lazy
+Don't try to match wits with a cat, anon. Especially if death is on the line.
+--- 58079049
+>IMPERIAL FORCE DEFILED
+>FACING 5000 CROCODILES
+--- 58079074
+>>58078666
+Cats being stupid lazy and useless is a right meme. You can literally train them do exact things that dogs can do. Hell, Russia is famous for its cat circuses, where they have cats do tricks and stuff. All because, you know, cats are better at that kind of thing than dogs. 
+>w-w-well they don't love you
+Also false. Cats experience loss and separation anxiety too. 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1DtBYeavN4 [Embed]
+
+Here have a cat circus vid.
+--- 58079085
+>>58078732
+>>58078739
+>>58078745
+>>58078750
+>Ukrainians adopt a calf.
+>Meanwhile PovertySlav Russians killing people's cats, dogs and torturing zoo animals.
+lol
+--- 58079094
+>>58079074
+I can't see a young girl (the one in the back) handling circus animals without thinking about the ending to Blood Meridian.
+--- 58079156
+>>58073155
+You sound like you're too cucked to handle a simple problem without your neighbors ever knowing the difference.
+--- 58079167
+>>58079029
+Nah. Cat shit parasites are probably more intelligent than cats.
+--- 58081008
+>>58078666
+Dogshit hands wrote this post

k/58055307.txt

@@ -69,3 +69,27 @@ i thought that was the fortnite season background for a minute
 >>58055307 (OP)
 >insulin
 kek, nice touch
+--- 58073779
+>>58068510
+I never knew I wanted an mp5 in stainless or nickle, that looks way too good
+--- 58075115
+>>58068707
+revolvers look unholy with a silencer.
+--- 58076556
+>>58055657
+Whompty-Dompty-Dom/10
+--- 58077556
+>>58055657
+what the fuck are those guns
+--- 58078641
+>>58055307 (OP)
+--- 58078893
+>mogs all brands
+--- 58078897
+>>58075115
+This one was literally destined for silencing tho
+--- 58078987
+>>58055307 (OP)
+--- 58079199
+>>58077556
+Disco Elysium reference

k/58056102.txt

@@ -297,3 +297,102 @@ No. Pic rel. Must stop disinfo to sage freedom.
 --- 58069818
 >>58058199
 I am SO glad I'm not the only person who see that
+--- 58071003
+>>58064016
+Idc what people are saying but I need money and 95k a year sounds really good. Morals are for faggots, I need to pay my bills
+--- 58071054
+>>58058595
+>hole sits in the car, criticizes and whines about her comrades the entire time while they do all the dangerous work
+
+Points for realism.
+--- 58071869
+>>58056813
+>Si gringo es da CIA das selling da drugs. literally nobody else in the world has any incentive in joining dis lucrative trade ese.
+--- 58071879
+>>58071869
+>shit mang dis was meant for>>58058307
+--- 58072037
+>>58062818
+Southern Pride Worldwide
+--- 58072068
+>>58064621
+guy on the left kinda looks like Joaquin Phoenix
+--- 58072376
+>>58062415
+Physical labor gives you test
+--- 58072390
+>>58058463
+The US didn't lose the wars, they just failed at building it up afterwards. The 2003 Iraq war was won in less than 6 weeks with less than 200 casualties. Saddam Hussein was captured and killed on camera. The problem was filling that vacuum in a nation you've just won a war against. The occupation of Germany was much easier since the population is far more succeptible to adjusting to it's new situation than inbred Arabs who spawn random jihadi groups every other year. The same thing in Afghanistan in 2001. The US managed to overthrow the Taliban in less than 10 weeks with only 13 casualties. The issue here was even after 20 years of help, the Afghan government was fucking useless and fell within a few months of the US leaving.
+The US is very good at fighting just incapable of doing the difficult job of creating a new government for people who are genuinely incapable of building ones for themselves.
+--- 58072406
+>>58066919
+>"donnnnn't you do it... don't you rob that bank!"
+Yeah, this is the thinking man's dilemma
+--- 58075259
+>>58065379
+>>58072406
+Must be an aging man to defend this recycling of a failed television pilot (L.A. Takedown)
+--- 58075370
+>>58061112
+>dark scene
+>youtube compression
+What's even the point of titling it 4k
+There are 640x480 vids with less compression artifacts
+--- 58076317
+>>58056102 (OP)
+I never understood why the Americans use a military special force unit (delta) to do clandestine shit. don't you guys have a CIA military unit to do that ? 
+the Russian have vympel 
+the French had the 11th shock airborne reg, then CPIS 
+the brits must have some mi6 unit as well different from the SAS
+--- 58076404
+>>58076317
+Because glowniggers are gay beta faggots and Delta is based hostage rescuing Chads.
+--- 58076409
+>>58076317
+The US generally doesn't feel the need to advertise everything it does behind the scenes lmao
+--- 58076696
+>>58076409
+non of those advertise anything. they just went discover after a few operations.
+--- 58078906
+>>58076317
+Division of labor. The CIA arms "moderate rebels", Delta breaks into the moderate terrorists' houses at night when they inevitably turn out to be not so moderate after all, and the SEALs write best-selling memoirs about it.
+--- 58078942
+>>58056564
+Yes, after GWOT began the LRRPdudes of the 90s realized physical strength was ackshully useful in cities.
+--- 58079009
+>>58076317
+JSOC guys are largely "sheep dipped" temporarily into the CIA
+--- 58079075
+>>58056102 (OP)
+ What's gonna happen?
+falling down, the sequel?
+--- 58079153
+>>58076317
+>>58079009
+Like everything else in the .gov, there is a lot of overlap. CAG, CIA Ground Brach, my buddy was on a team for NSA doing tech shit on day 1 in Afghanistan, plus the DEA and FBI and other Fed LE have teams that work internationally.
+--- 58079327
+>>58076317
+we do, it's called SAD (Special Activities Division), or informally as the Ground Branch
+--- 58079356
+>>58079327
+Never heard of them.
+--- 58079407
+>>58058199
+>Grinch
+>YOU'RE A MEAN ONE
+>MR. VINING
+--- 58079510
+>>58076317
+Because the CIA are tasked with intelligence gathering with covert action while Delta is mainly tasked for counterterrorism and direct action. Just because there is some overlap doesn't ignore that fact that said groups have completely different missions. You won't see a Delta guy running assets.
+--- 58079548
+>>58079510
+When Trump was in office, one of his appointees prohibited the agency from running solo paramilitary actions.
+--- 58079636
+>>58068953
+They don't even have to do that desu. Basically the entire US government is an example of regulatory capture. The people heading them are appointed to not do their mission but to accommodate the interests of the politicians that appointed them, who are instructed to put people in place that won't get in the way too much.
+--- 58079946
+>>58064621
+Jim Rugg?
+--- 58080764
+>>58060592
+>a clown could take over Vietnam but not 2 Presidents

k/58056844.txt

@@ -363,3 +363,81 @@ me running from hobos in NYC
 --- 58070103
 >>58057768
 Is that an MI8?
+--- 58070977
+>>58056844 (OP)
+Your mom. Bitch.
+--- 58072198
+>>58057313
+Hood sucks
+--- 58072361
+>>58065765
+I had a coworker who mentioned that the Columbian unit that operated with his was really good and that they always stayed cool no matter what. He figured that their officers were mostly holding them back
+--- 58073386
+>>58072361
+They’ve been fighting an insurgency for like 40 years now so I hope they are good
+--- 58074284
+>>58056844 (OP)
+Dissect Paraguay.
+--- 58074329
+>>58057768
+I've never met a Peruvian before. Hola
+--- 58074403
+>>58074329
+Peruana.
+--- 58074837
+>>58056844 (OP)
+Some shoot protestants...
+--- 58074972
+>>58074837
+Based if true.
+But I'm sure that you meant to type protesters, my fellow ESL.
+--- 58075911
+>>58057204
+For me, it's Cuba
+--- 58076480
+>>58074837
+Based
+--- 58076749
+>>58057132
+Stop watching pornstars and OF whores
+--- 58077292
+>>58062044
+Kill yourself libshit
+--- 58077303
+>>58059626
+Anti-military anti-American communist subhuman detected.
+--- 58078134
+>>58059626
+Here in Brazil it was 100% organic, americans just gave us a bit of logistical backup, in fact i would say it was a inevitable event that was set in motion when the commies inside the armed forces atemped a a coup some 30ish years prior during the "Intentona", that generation of young officers never forgave and forgot being shot while sleeping by communist officers so when they got to power shit was bound to go down, thats why our military crisis started years before CIA got involved and it didnt stop after the US backed off and shunned us either.
+
+little known fact americans gave more money to the leftists than it gave the goverment initialy thru NGOs funded by the state deparment (like the ford foundation). they were meant to fund democratic opposition but ended up being used to buy guns to guerillas.
+--- 58078263
+>>58078134
+And when i say 100% organic i mean the army already had revolutionary anti-communist prospects and the middle class was already more worried about communist infiltration ever since the press revealed that the peasant leagues up north were getting money and guns from the CCP, so while the CIA did engage in "manufactured consent" gay reddit shit that they and the KGB loved doing thru NGOs (in this case the "Instituto de Pesquisas e Estudos Sociais" which wasnt a CIA NGO per se but got money from them), it didnt do very much to change the already chaotic enviroment.
+--- 58078318
+>>58056857
+>>58056955
+>>58056950
+All of these
+--- 58080324
+>>58066131
+I do
+--- 58080702
+>>58078263
+Never heard of the chinese gun smuggling thing before, that's interesting
+Was it the sort of high end stuff they sent to nam or just WW2 surplus and the like?
+Most sourcessay the guerillas had hunting rifles and some stolen army weapons but might just be propaganda
+--- 58081076
+>>58058446
+>populated by rich and upper middle class
+What's the average income like to be considered upper middle class there?
+--- 58081155
+>>58062466
+>actually... most latin woman prefer other latim men,most of the woman consider the men in usa,europe,asia "leche fria" wich mean they are kinda to tame for their taste
+most women prefer men of their own race/ethnicity generally. the whole x girls like y boys is american mixrace virgin cope.
+--- 58081162
+>>58064795
+what kind of retarded larp this is? go outside, get some fresh air.
+--- 58081482
+>>58061624
+Who do you think the majority of Latino populations are? You're not purebred Spanish or German stock, Pedro, you're likely primarily indo.

k/58057445.txt

@@ -240,3 +240,157 @@ They aren't just an Arab army. They are an Arab puppet militia of an Arab army.
 >arabs are shit at war and have been for a long time, even with good equipment and training
 >take good equipment and training away and put them up against a country with western tech and western levels of competence
 >they get btfo every time
+--- 58071379
+>>58069532
+--- 58072194
+>>58057445 (OP)
+>revolves around having their own side killed so people feel sorry for them
+Isn't that what the jews did
+--- 58072264
+The whole thing is less Arabs vs Jews and more communists vs capitalists.
+Palestinian victory would be turning Israel renamed Palestine into a secular atheist state like Yugoslavia or China.
+--- 58072267
+>>58064041
+>get offered diplomatic help
+>deny it because you want a war
+>end up having a huge advantage over your enemy in every material factor
+>get absolutely BTFO
+>not just ask, demand that the nation that armed you to send their own troops to save you from the mess you made
+Why are Arabs like this?
+--- 58072296
+>>58058555
+>Most Israelites are okay and kind people
+
+Lol, they're the rudest, most arrogant fucking people on earth
+t. Psytrance producer and ex-touring DJ.
+--- 58072301
+>>58063557
+>But the Palestinians aren't even Arabs. They're non-Jewish Jews.
+
+This
+
+Palestinians basically run their own mini-ZOG in Central and South America where they control a disproportionate amount of the wealth and engage in naked exploitation of indigenous communities. El Salvador even has a Palestinian president right now.
+--- 58072310
+>>58063370
+Yep, also Hamas is an ISRAELI puppet. Look into it's history, look how they always collaborate with Likud to fuck over attempted elections in Palestine and shore up support for both Hamas and Likud.
+--- 58072429
+>>58072296
+Worse than the French? Is that even possible? 
+When I was a kid my family would sometimes go to a beach in Maine that was popular with French Canadians and they are the biggest assholes I’ve ever met.
+Some French kid stole my shovel and his father screamed at me in French when I asked for it back. My father who spoke French tried to diffuse the situation and asked for the shovel back. The French guy said something, and after a short pause my dad slugged him and broke his nose. We got banned from the beach that day.
+Apparently among other insults he was demanding we spoke French. Imagine going to another country and demanding that they speak your language. I know there are other burgers who will go places and demand they speak English but I think they’re stupid too. 
+I thought this was just a French Canadian thing until I went to France and got stuck there for a few days due to airport bullshit. They were the most arrogant fuckers I’ve ever come across. Full on “how dare a non French person exist in my presence”. Everywhere else in Europe was great, Spain, England, Greece, Italy, hell even people in the baltics were really friendly and welcoming. But the French are on another level.
+--- 58072468
+>>58072301
+Wtf
+Redpill me on this
+--- 58072488
+>>58057445 (OP)
+Modern arabs sucks at pretty much everything desu.
+--- 58073704
+>>58072488
+How can this happen when a thousand years ago they were kicking ass east west north and south?
+--- 58073980
+>>58072468
+Christian Arabs fled in droves out of the Ottoman Empire and flooded Latin America (and West Africa)
+it's especially the Lebanese who dominate though.
+on all levels except the religious they're exactly like Jews.
+--- 58074228
+>>58072429
+not the same anon but Israelis and Indians are pretty much the bottom of the barrel regarding human qualities, the chosen one/ high caste mentality makes them unfit for any type of civilized interaction. Take it from a spaniard who has pretty much dealt with more foreigners than the UN has members.
+--- 58074532
+>>58073704
+>religion mandates having many sons
+>religion also permits polygyny
+>this leads to a surplus of young men who are unable to marry
+>the only feasible way for these men to find unmarried women to marry is to invade other territories
+>combine this with jihad and you get enormous, fanatically motivated armies that can simply overwhelm many enemies
+--- 58075101
+>>58071379
+Read your figure more closely. It counts Palestinians as well as Israeli citizens. Israel will never let Palestinians live in Israel tho.
+--- 58075243
+>>58074532
+so how does this explain arab incompetence, by this description they should be the best fighters on the planet
+--- 58075420
+>>58058555
+LMAO you're full of shit. The US does not need Israel. Israel needs the US. Fuck off with your propaganda, shill.
+--- 58075709
+>>58075243
+I wasn't attempting to explain "Arab incompetence" I was explaining away the myth of Arab competence.
+You asked "how were arab militaries so effective 1,000 years ago" and I explained how it was a byproduct of an enormous population combined with religious zeal.
+When the Arabs started to run into enemies that weren't so easily pushed around by larger armies (namely, non-Arabs) their expansion stopped.
+--- 58077014
+>>58065493
+Anon, give up, you already lost the argument, even if we call Vietnam a "defensive" war despite commies literally invading South Vietnam you still have to explain why 3:1 nation numeric superiority and a terrain which favoured invasion due lack of features for guerrilla, arabs still managed to lose, in fact, if you were to be arab and keep trying it will make the truth even more evident.
+--- 58077189
+>>58071379
+As the other anon said you are counting palestine territories
+
+Besides, what? Having a tidal wave of dumb human flesh means nothing when a drone wing could frag hundreds of boys in HD, and unlike in Ukraine this horde won't have the element of surprise, a big warchest and initial technological superiority, for that matter they wont even have a 1 to 3 demographic superiority.
+
+I am truly tired of all these RTS gaymers thinking real life is like Command and Conquer or something where you can win a war by just spamming infantry, history has consecutively shown numeric and demographic superiority means jackshit even in preinidustrial societies if your people lack leadership and organization, it's like these people never knew about the persians during the Grecopersian wars, the british under Boudicca, the ottomans in Vienna and the chinese during the opium wars, oh, right, here is the answer, a decent education.
+--- 58077276
+Because Palestinian isn’t being bankrolled by the strongest nation on the planet. Logistics win wars, and at this point I’m surprised isreal hasn’t just taken over and been done with it
+--- 58077297
+REMINDER:
+isrealis are demons 
+do not interact with them
+--- 58077454
+>>58077276
+the jews already thought of this anon. if they take over they lose eternal victimhood status. its much more beneficial politically for them to stay engaged in a one sided hostility
+--- 58077854
+>>58073980
+>Lebanese
+they are greco-phoenicancs, you imbecile
+--- 58077891
+>>58077454
+That’s a pretty gigabrain move
+--- 58078108
+>>58058813
+>Why both parties do not make peace and address land rights and title is baffling
+Irreconcilable differences. A plurality of Israelis are not willing to accept anything but the entire West Bank being part of de jure Israel and a plurality/majority of Palestinians are not willing to allow Israel to exist at all. Virtually every Palestinian home on the planet has a big key hanging on the wall representing their desire to return to the homes they lost in 1948. Their entire national identity is built around it. My theory is that both sides are biding the time until the next proper big shooting war, when each side will attempt to carry out its own final solution.
+--- 58079975
+>>58077189
+>history has consecutively shown numeric and demographic superiority means jackshit
+If a ethnic majority becomes a minority civil conflict almost always happens, see Lebanon etc. Less Israelis having kids mean that more and more Arabs will continue to get more power in institutions in Israel.
+--- 58081145
+>>58057626
+They have high obesity rates because it turns out unless you're hard to get food to (Civil war and African bush and such) it's easy to be calorie-saturated.
+>>58059787
+I can't imagine a scummier scum than the ultra orthodox. Assuming they have business investments they really are just a walking stereotype of the worst features of a Jew.
+>Hyper religious zealots
+>Busybody moral tyrants
+>Refuse to actually fight
+>Often don't even want to do entrepreneurial work so much as just leechery (at least here in the states they tend to be more landlord types. I'm assuming kibbutzes in Israel are still the domain of the leftist Jews more than ultra orthodox) 
+>Secular ISraelis pay x6 as much taxes as ultra orthodox
+>Combat IDF only recently get 2400 shekels a month and soon 3000 shekels
+>Non combat are now getting 1800 shekels instead of 1200 a month
+>You get 2000 shekels to be a Yeshiva
+>“learning in yeshiva is harder than serving as a soldier on the frontlines.”
+>75% of Haredi women work, 50% of haredi men work
+>Haredi pay 1.5 thousand shekels a month, Non-haredi pay 4.5 thousand shekels
+It'd be one thing to be ultra-nationalist militarists. I can understand that, basically citizenship through service fascism. BUT WHAT DO THESE FUCKING CURLY HAIRED FAGGOTS EVEN DO?
+
+Maybe they just sit around and be nonces in their community like Haredi are in the US.
+--- 58081176
+>>58078108
+That's a sound theory for Israel because if WW3 or an apocalyptic collapse happens the Palestinian question will be solved. The Palestinians have no real chance of that but demographics are highly in their favor. Not just in Israel but in the wider world - Europe will have larger Muslim demographics, America is starting to sour on Israel. 
+
+The future has to have either a major war/collapse that allows Israel to ein volk ein reich ein bibi, or if things keep going on then Israel gets to run the anti-apartheid scheme.
+
+>>58073704
+Not to achsually but the Arab martial exploits was a vanishingly brief period of the real hard-nigga Ghassanids, Lakhmids, and Arabian Peninsula Arabs. The bedouin and some of the townfolk who were in close cultural affinity to them. Palestine or Syria or Mesopotamian cities? That's the domain of the "Whatever basedboy is in Aramaic". These warrior types held fast to their traditions for the Umayyads, but by the Abbasids in the 700s you get a pretty rapid shift over to a foreign preponderance in Muslim armies. Not to the point that Arabs cease to exist as soldiers but to a point that Arabs are a constellation in a heterodox army. 
+
+>>58075709
+Your description's honestly full of dogshit for how/why the Arabs did. It was not zerg-rushes of mindless jihadists, this is sheer copium to do away with the fact that the Romans, Persians and others simply just got out-fought.
+--- 58081202
+>>58081176
+(cont) to the earlier point is you were never having a great resevoir of soldiers from Palestine, nevermind the fact that look at how less than 1000 years (less than 100 even!) separates a great many other people such as latte-drinking green-voting German sissies in 2023 from guys who liked to carve eachother's faces with rapiers and sew horsehair to make the scar bigger for laughs in fucking 1910. 
+
+To the arab conquest point, the expansion happened at a point of exhaustion between the two great empires of the time, in the midst of one having ridiculous levels of purity-spiral repression of its Christian sects and the other still having simmering religious issues compared to a people who, Khajirites and others notwithstanding, had a lot more asabiyya. And we can see a pretty quick glimpse of what happens with invasions when you have communal solidarity (Ukraine 2022-2023) and when you don't (Afghanistan 2021). You can look into the minutia of the conflicts but it's going to be amateur hour to conclude some special weapon or kung-fu technique let a half-naked lizard-eating rastafarian looking bedouin trounce a Byzantine soldier or Persian cavalryman. Or to think that muh clibinarii muh total war doomstack should explain away why such wunderwaffles could only fail to a teeming horde of scimitar wielding Lawrence of Arabia extras.
+--- 58081241
+>>58059773
+No matter how many times you copy and paste this, Ben Shapiro isn't going to let you watch him jerk off to his sister's pregnancy pics.
+--- 58081282
+>>58081241
+Cry more, Jamal. It won't make it any less true.

k/58057834.txt

@@ -155,3 +155,15 @@ I'm not the one posting soijack. Look in the mirror m8
 >>58065181
 >>58058533
 tan rifles are still gay
+--- 58072964
+>>58063342
+lmao, 90% of those groups are just wannabes that bought whatever American SOF use
+--- 58073557
+>>58065010
+?
+--- 58075582
+>>58057834 (OP)
+Pure sex. Just because I hate myself, how much would a civilian version of this cost?
+--- 58078874
+>>58075582
+like a couple grand for the base MR223, a few more thousand for a gray market 416 parts kit, a few hundo to have it assembled and tanodized, a grand or so for the EOTech and magnifier, and then you'd have to source an M320 somehow to stand in for the even more unobtainable HK269. So an utterly insane amount of money for an AR, but not as expensive as many transferable MG or high-end NV binos.

k/58059702.txt

@@ -270,3 +270,180 @@ lol @ Bombshells. That's a Texas thing but it's because their patrons are just r
 >>58065184
 >what kind of legal jurisdiction do they even have to enforce anything?
 Absolutely none at all
+--- 58070981
+>>58064038
+Yeah but the thing about this is, unions becoming basically "de-politicized" and also turning into a rotating door of career union guys who just care about protecting their own positions are related. There's a term in organized labor for this, "business union," which I think means the union is basically run like a business too instead of being in principle a democratic organization controlled by the actual members. That's what they do: don't worry about politics, don't get involved, just let the union handle it...
+
+I have some friends involved in unions who tell me about this stuff. Some unions in the U.S. are better than others, some have really good people in them, some are getting better, and some are really bad and mostly grifts. They seem to be better the more "rank-and-file" workers are organized and participate and hold the leadership accountable. One of my friends is in a really bad one where the leadership discourages that, which sounds like a sick joke, but most of the workers are demoralized anyways and don't think of what they're doing as a "career" and don't get involved so nothing changes.
+
+The unions have their own internal politics. I know another guy in the Teamsters from a multi-generation family of union members, and being a union guy is a big part of his identity (I think this is an underrated but good thing about them, especially for men, it's like a tribe but based on work instead of gang bullshit), and was part of this organized faction within the Teamsters to elect a different group of people organized in the "rank and file" instead of the old Hoffa clan, and there's a big contract renewal coming up, maybe they'll go on strike I dunno.
+
+Nothing is perfect in the world. But there are also costs to 40+ years of Reaganomics and the decline of organized labor in society that makes people reconsider it.
+
+Pinkertons:
+
+https://youtu.be/JY6N-tEppkg [Embed]
+--- 58071143
+>>58064855
+maybe but the turn over is crazy. the entry qualifications are low and most of the people working here are mexicans.
+--- 58071292
+Also I wanna add that the Pinkertons of union busting days is different from the ones now other than the name.
+
+In terms of actual bodyguards, the people who hire them usually just want to flash around the fact that they have security and no one expects any actual trouble more dangerous than a drunk asshole or regular schmucks being somewhere where they're not supposed to be, but if a gun comes out they're not taking a bullet for their client unless they're complete and total morons like this guy >>58063410
+
+This is speaking to most mid-level guys who work private security for rich people, although someone like Taylor Swift or Oprah who has a real need for security probably has more competent people. There will be a security lead that knows stuff, and maybe some bouncers to be muscle, augmented by cops and local/venue security. Even at the high end most bodyguards are still just guys that stand around and are mostly useful at handling overzealous fans or hecklers. The reality is that if someone wanted to do something to someone and had put the smallest amount of thought into it, there's basically nothing you, the target, could do except hope to get lucky.
+--- 58071357
+>>58065098
+Kyle Rittenhouse
+>IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN WE DO IT!!??
+I fucking hate you. Both shoots were entirely justified. Both involved people fucking around who subsequently found out.
+--- 58071381
+>>58063382
+>t. gecko45
+--- 58071451
+>>58062918
+Bro that's called a mall ninja. They've existed for awhile although now society is getting to a point where they might actually get called to put up or shut up given everyone chimps out left and right.
+
+> these guys were very serious about blowing someone apart if they try to steal.
+Then the shop gets sued to oblivion by the DOJ/California state and they get fucked up by floyd riots because a dindu nuffin got shot. I'm not saying it won't happen but most stores understand in the climate right now if you rough up a thief (let alone fucking kill one) you're going to get more headache than its worth. Unless you think the media won't have a feeding frenzy about stoking up unrest due to jamal being executed for theft.
+They're more about scaring would be thieves from considering it because Jamal won't have the thinking to go "They won't shoot me because of the above". This might change as crime gets bad enough people go "I don't care just do something" but right now unless it's real big thief shit like a fucking car or something shooting a looter is guaranteed trouble.
+
+>>58071292
+Bit like a home defense dog. It's there to dissuade low to middle level threats. Which is fine. Like tying an onion to your belt, which was the style at the time. Now if you'll excuse me I gotta take the ferry so I gotta find where I put my nickle. Back in those days nickles had pictures of bumblebees on em. Gimme five bees for a quarter you'd say.
+--- 58071501
+>>58071292
+>Also I wanna add that the Pinkertons of union busting days is different from the ones now other than the name.
+Lol they're doing exactly the same thing they were doing nearly 100 years ago now so my recommendation is to kill yourself my man
+--- 58071749
+>>58065184
+It's all intimidation. You would be surprised what you can convince most people of when you show up looking scawy with a gun
+--- 58072322
+>>58063076
+--- 58073741
+>>58071749
+this is correct. policy is to just hand over everything incase of a robbery. we carry firearms for two and half reasons reasons 1) looks / intimidation 2) self defense 2.5) incase of a robbery were shots are fired instantly without warning. 
+If we are ever to be held at gunpoint for whatever reason its just hand over shit and dont resist but given the trucks are well armored there is a high probability that shots will be fired immediately which means are to respond with force, this aint some sheepdog shit but its common sense that the attacker wont stop at shooting the truck up
+--- 58074065
+>>58059702 (OP)
+>born too late to explore the new world
+>born too late to conquer the west
+>might get to shoot a trespassing Pinkerton as a consolation prize
+--- 58074110
+>notice the date
+thanks OP i almost forgot
+--- 58074119
+>>58063382
+>We’re cops, we just don’t get the glory.
+>that lingo
+holy shit
+we are dealing with levels of retardation never before thought possible
+--- 58074125
+>>58063135
+im not letting neets on twitter cut the line. sorry.
+--- 58074231
+>>58065427
+I’m in a union. 
+Dues aren’t much but all of my employer’s unions are very top down; the working folk are not making decisions, can’t easily initiate anything, and are used to provide money and vote yes or no on decisions made my the union execs.
+--- 58074307
+>>58065725
+If society ever actually breaks down and things become postapocalyptic, the richfags are the first to get eaten. Those private security forces they hire only stick around because there's money in the picture. If shit actually hit the fan, well suddenly the USD is literally worthless, and at that point the rich guy is only worth as much food and water he has access to. And given how utterly detached the truly elite are, and the lack of loyalty they'll have towards him. More than likely the PMC dudes willing to be bandits will just shoot him and his son and rape his wife and daughter then take the vault for themselves. 
+
+All the things that helped keep a feudal society together (lack of education, divine right to rule, strict social classes that determine your "worth") have been eroded significantly by the modern age, and someone who lacks the charisma and/or knowhow to keep a group together will not be forming any huge feudal kingdoms.
+--- 58074357
+>>58068829
+>>58074119
+You civvies don’t get it 
+>>58063382
+I got your back brother!You see, some people here understand the risks we security officers undergo to protect you people, would we exist if our jobs were useless??? I tell you that we are undervalued for our beneficial effect on society at large, for the urban and suburban shopping centers see %80 of the armed violence in this nation, and why don’t the cops take care of it, because they are a bunch of wusses, and they are not man enough to put up with the danger and stress. You all who are makeing fun of me have never been threatened by jailed drug dealers, serial killers, and shoplifters, or fired at by high powered rifles so excuse me if I decide to have good weapons to protect and defend myself without all of you makeing fun of my choice, and they way I do my job!
+--- 58074375
+>>58065818
+Yeah good job, r*ddit. the oil is fine, water is plentiful, and climate change is overstated. other than that, yeah. the oligarchs want us all living lives of strife and slavery under their thumb. they’re literally possessed by demons and want us in an abusive relationship with them. we eat the bugs and we don’t get beaten as badly that day etc. that sort of thing.
+--- 58074390
+>>58063453
+>the pay is $20-25/h about 45-48h week.
+Statistically I know it’s not a dangerous job but that seems kinda low to me. Not a bad living especially with the OT but I would have thought it’s a little higher for the potential danger
+--- 58074418
+>>58064038
+>tl;dr you can fucking despise unions in their current-year iteration and all they've become, without hating the concept of organized labor.
+This is /k/. Get you’re nuanced opinion out of here. This board is all or nothing anymore. Now excuse me while I weep for a bygone era
+--- 58074448
+>>58065184
+None, unless it’s removing people from private property. If they ever approach you in public just treat them like anyone else.
+--- 58074483
+>>58065725
+>They are looting as much as they can from the government and the citizenry as they can to build their own private empires so they can live like new feudal kings when the time comes.
+Except their soldiers are going to turn on them immediately. If you are on the richfag security detail, what’s the point of keeping them alive if the dollar is meaningless? If USD still has sway and value, society hasn’t completely collapsed. The rich dude isn’t providing the food, water, power, or location/housing. Why would you keep them around? Why wouldn’t the team leader just kill them and take over?
+--- 58074503
+>>58062946
+>Light infantry level at most.
+Rent-a-cops do not have belt fed machine guns, hand grenades, AT4s, night vision, thermals, and grenade launchers.
+--- 58074600
+>>58063666
+>something from the 19th century had the all seeing eye
+Wow I'm shocked.
+--- 58074614
+>>58074390
+yeah most use the job as a stepping stone into LE or airport security which in my area pays 28-35/h roughly. lots of mexicans low entry qualifications as posted earlier.
+--- 58074649
+>>58064358
+Play the game and get over on the old fucks. They'll roll out the red carpet for you and say stuff like "I taught him everything he knows" and they might even do just that. They will give you shit if youre some autist who won't crack a joke or complains to management
+--- 58074908
+>>58065427
+>>58065427
+>>58065427
+>>58065427
+All i need to know is american dockworkers and their actions have made US ports some of the least efficient in the entire world.
+
+We can also look at shipbuilders unions and how they killed the US shipbuilding industry.
+--- 58074933
+>>58074908
+>>58074908
+Too be fair it was steel workers, and other groups that helped kill US shipbuilding.
+--- 58074981
+>>58074503
+You hope
+--- 58075641
+>>58062918
+>>58064113
+>>58070891
+Bombshells is the closest thing we'll ever get to the goth IHOP meme and I too would want it protected at all costs.
+--- 58077538
+>>58070981
+10/10 post.
+--- 58078970
+>>58063453
+>Personally I do a psa dagger becauss I am poorfag
+Hey, in Finland armed guards would have Llamas and Tauruses way back when. On the other hand the working environment here would barely ever require one to even consider shooting
+--- 58079158
+>>58061720
+Kek you sound like a sour grapes commie faggot. It's no one's fault but you're own for not prepping.
+--- 58079304
+>>58065725
+you're right in that this is the intention of a certain sect of the ultra-wealthy but there's others. many are just paranoid about being kidnapped. There are some very smart people whose personal success has burdened with a somewhat irrational optimism (or in some cases narcissism). 
+
+More importantly however this guy >>58074307 is equally correct. The rich are largely self-obsessed or so autistic their understanding of disaster prep is buying a several million dollar hotel room or learning to shoot arrows in their backyard. The security companies behind these organizations are far more capable of maintaining a functioning hierarchy in a collapse scenario but very few are serious about the nitty gritty details as few are planning as far ahead as a global EOTW would entail. The billionaires don't have much of a chance outside of places no one else would bother to take from them & the security companies are either irrelevant or have a lifespan if they don't rapidly adapt. What will actually happen in a collapse is far more of a dice roll than a billionaire dystopia would suggest. It'll be still be shitty, but likely not that brand of shitty.
+--- 58079859
+>>58068829
+>>58074119
+
+[spoiler]https://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas[/spoiler]
+--- 58079874
+>>58079859
+>>58068829
+>>58074119
+
+Well, so much for the spoiler tag. 
+
+Link that works: https://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/
+--- 58080334
+>>58061720
+So work for Pinkertion! Have you ever taken a good LOOK at plebs? 
+
+They're shit and deserve the boot. They're poor because they're stupid and they're angry because they're not smart enough to better themselves.
+--- 58080382
+>>58080334
+
+if you're a pinkerton and you're not c-suite you're probably a pleb. if you're on 4chan you're definitely a pleb.
+--- 58080448
+>>58061870
+This. And can confirm. I have worked security for 10 years now, both contract and direct employed. 99% of security guards are utter retards who can barely stand they are so fat, let alone do anything. They amount that are actually armed, and know how to use those arms, is alarmingly small. And if society would collapse, they would all disperse to go be with their families and loved ones. No one is protecting their employer. You might get a few cowboys, but they would be rekt quickly by the sheer numbers of the mob.

k/58059906.txt

@@ -684,3 +684,518 @@ Blame that on industrialization and whatever kind of capitalism we have today.
 Wrong. The Mongols were more resistant to logistical difficulties due to their lifestyle, but that doesn't make them immune to those problems. The Mongols were tiny in population compared to their neighbors and conquered subjects, which made ruling their vast territories incredibly difficult. It's why genocide was a major military and political policy for them, because it made occupied territories easier to govern and manage.
 
 That being said by the time the Mongols reached Europe they were already stretched thin, with most of their forces occupied with the invasion of China. This made the campaign in Eastern Europe very difficult for them and it also didn't help that the Mongols were absolute retards when it came to governance and administration, and always struggled to use the full potential of their conquered subjects beyond using them as cannon fodder.
+--- 58071084
+>>58066045
+Nice cope
+--- 58071102
+>>58060545
+Genoese crossbowmen BABYYY
+--- 58071142
+>they did
+>also get a better weapon you memetard
+--- 58071177
+>>58060692
+oh yes its totally not practical to hold "your round" in the chamber to be able to just bring it up and shoot instead of having the fumble around with a bow while also trying to ride. 
+
+Crossbows were more tacticool
+--- 58071285
+>>58066897
+yes, but they can't retreat in vast steppes.
+--- 58071335
+>>58066022
+>>58066911
+England was created by William through an invasion and a subjugation. it's political power is far more vertical, it was created from the top (king) to the lower (normand aristocracy, then English aristocracy, then English peasants), meanwhile in France, the power had to be build up by the king slowly after Philippe the first. it was more horizontal and the king had less traditional power
+
+1.the king John got the Magna Carta because he had more power than the French king, which allowed him to screw up even more. every mesure he took to finance his campaigns on the continent couldn't be implemented by the French king, his vassals would tell him to fuck off, stuff like taxes on wedding, and an harsh judicial system, paying to marry a young noblewoman. it was precisely because they gave him so much power and so muck failure he got the Magna Carta impose on him. the Magna Carta also allows the king to raise taxes in case of war, something the French king couldn't do
+
+2. the free archer are a prefect exemple of it. the English king could force his subject to take archery training every Friday, having a large pool to recruit his archer. the French king tried to do the same, but couldn't force people into regular training : hence a failure. 
+
+at the end it goes like that : French king 1100 (very weak, very horizontal in power)< English king in 1100 (very powerful, very vertical).1200, English king fucks up, noble revolt. got imposed the Magna Carta. still has more marge of action Than the French monarchy.1330,1456 hundred year war : the French monarchy reform itself, manage to because absolute, meanwhile the English king is complete submitted by the parliament (nobility), noble revolt (war of the roses.)
+--- 58071411
+>>58069280
+>Its actually grassland for their fuck huge horse herds
+Only what I've been saying all along
+
+>>58069337
+>China has no horses, only Mongolia
+Please
+--- 58071412
+>>58069438
+The post your quoting says the THIRD invasion of Poland was three times larger and defeated and that the first two were small and not aimed at holding large areas. I don't get why you think pointing out that the SECOND invasion was a smaller raid, what Anon said, refutes this.
+
+Imagine going scrambling through books only to fail to actually refute the main point that you would know is true if you had a basic understanding of the Mongols as a real empire and not some EBIN FUCKING COOL GUYS. Which is that they weren't invincible. They tried to enter Europe and had mild successes but we're largely unsuccessful because they LOST every major attempt to take and hold land. This is ostentatiously true and nothing you wrote even challenges this.
+--- 58071445
+>>58069438
+Also, if you actually knew what you were talking about you'd realize that the 1241 invasion IS the same invasion with the raid into Poland and the attempt to enter Bohemia.
+
+That is, it larger because it was an attempt to do what the Mongols did before and take a large area. Thus the entire invasion force can be larger whole the forces engaged by Poland alone can, and were,. significantly smaller.
+
+That force STILL gave up in Bohemia after defeats.
+
+The later attempts were focused on using a larger number of men for smaller geographic areas. Using 90,000 men in multiple groups across a front from the Baltic to the Black Sea is not the same as using 50,000 just got modern day Hungary, etc. That's where you're getting confused.
+
+And, so, the third Polish invasion, by all accounts, was the largest by a factor of around three. It has a 2:1 advantage in troops. It LOST.
+--- 58071523
+>>58069647
+Don't bother. This is clearly a Chinese guy flailing for reasons to say "actually, even though the Mongols attempted to get into Europe, facing third rate European powers while doing so, and lost on several occasions, never succeeding, it doesn't count.
+
+He's citing random book pages that don't even support his argument, which makes me think he is ESL.
+
+Mongols had little success in Europe, unless you count Russia as Europe, that's a historical fact.
+--- 58071572
+>>58059906 (OP)
+Pretty sure a few kingdoms used them
+>Kievan Rus 
+>Hungarians 
+>Poland
+>France
+--- 58071580
+>>58060574
+They got crushed by Austrians and Croatians anon.
+--- 58073945
+>>58060174
+>he fell for jewllyhood communist subhuman third world brownoid propaganda.
+Mongols never met plated armored European knights, and in the few occasions when they met chain-mailed European knights, they were handily defeated. Vatniggers aren't Europeans and don't fight like Europeans do.
+--- 58073979
+>>58073945
+>Mongols never met plated armored European knights
+well yeah, they didn't exist when the mongols attacked Europe you dumbass.
+
+The Romans never met the full power of the Royal Navy when they invaded England either. So?
+--- 58074038
+>>58073979
+So the plate armored knights would wipe the floor with the Mongols horse archers, unlike what this subhuman poster was trying to imply>>58060174
+Or are you a subhuman too?
+--- 58074064
+>>58074038
+>So the plate armored knights would wipe the floor with the Mongols horse archers
+Maybe, maybe not. Heavier armor didn't seem to help anyone deal with horse archers. The only real major successes against them before guns were adopted were through combined arms warfare, Romans and Alexander were able to successfully counter and destroy steppe nomads regularly.
+>b-but muh knights muh white ppl
+quit acting like a nigger
+--- 58074087
+>>58074064
+>Maybe, maybe not. Heavier armor didn't seem to help anyone deal with horse archers.
+Kill yourself. Heavier armor is the fucking reason why archers went out of style in continental Europe in favor of crossbows and firearms.
+What the fuck kinda proof do you have for ridiculous claims like >Heavier armor didn't seem to help anyone deal with horse archers?
+--- 58074131
+>>58074087
+Christ you're an angry little retard.
+>Heavier armor is the fucking reason why archers went out of style in continental Europe in favor of crossbows and firearms.
+That'd have more to do with crossbows and firearms being way easier to train to use. No need to mutilate your fucking skeleton to pull a full retard weight longbow when anyone can use a crossbow or gun.
+>Heavier armor didn't seem to help anyone deal with horse archers?
+Easy, even the armor you think is insufficient pretty much entirely countered horse archers arrows. During the crusades there are multiple accounts of crusaders being shot full of arrows like pincushions but being relatively unharmed because the arrows could not penetrate the padding underneath. And of course in spite of this the crusades failed and as you pointed out eastern Euros failed to handle horse archers and wound up regularly dominated by them.
+>b-but that doesn't matter heavier armor would make the knights go super aryan and totally win because reasons even though armor wasn't the problem in the first place
+ok little buddy
+--- 58074180
+>>58074131
+>the crusades failed
+Not because of horse archers
+>eastern Euros failed to handle horse archers 
+No. Vatniggers, who aren't european, failed. Eastern Euros handled them just fine.
+Still no proof for 
+>>58074064
+>Heavier armor didn't seem to help anyone deal with horse archers
+God what a retarded "opinion"
+Post skin post hair post vote history post DNA test
+--- 58074187
+>>58074180
+Here's my eye. I am white, and you are a nigger.
+--- 58074204
+>>58074187
+>I am white
+>Heavy armor doesn't help against horse archers
+>horse archers dominated eastern europe
+>plate armored knights may not wipe the floor with mongol horse archers
+>>muh knights
+heavy_doubt.jpg
+--- 58074210
+>>58059906 (OP)
+Europe did develop horse archery. But Europe was just not the place where horse archery could really shine. Logistically it seems more suited to nomadic civilizations than settled civilizations too.
+And let us not forget that in the case of the mongols it was their heavy cavalry, the lancers that did most of the killing too. Horse archers were scarier during foraging than during pitched battles.
+--- 58074220
+>>58074204
+It's the probably the mongol/tartar/magyar/moor/cuman/turk/albanian genes
+--- 58074226
+>>58074204
+Post eye., you won't because it's brown
+--- 58074244
+>>58074226
+Reminder that Celts used to be subhuman too despite having light colored eyes.
+--- 58074252
+>>58074244
+>mudskin calling others subhumans
+lel
+--- 58074288
+>>58074252
+If you shill for horse archers you're subhuman, yes.
+--- 58074361
+>>58074288
+confirmed brown eyes 
+>shill for horse archers
+if pointing out the obvious is shilling, then sure I'm shilling. Horse archers dominated a stretch of land from Hungary clear to China from the domestication of the horse clear to the adoption of firearms by Europeans. Nothing could displace them despite numerous attempts. Heavily armored cavalry was used regularly against them and was not met with major success. They also regularly spilled out and conquered massive swathes of land all across the world. The reason you speak the language you do is because steppe nomads conquered and utterly replaced the original Europeans.
+
+It's also true that whenever nomads settled in Europe they gave up horse archers eventually. Hungarians, East Germans, Bulgars etc all wound up indistinguishable from other Europeans over time. But I don't think it's so simple as "muh knights would win because they just would ok"
+--- 58074416
+>>58074361
+>Horse archers dominated a stretch of land from Hungary clear to China from the domestication of the horse clear to the adoption of firearms by Europeans. Nothing could displace them despite numerous attempts. Heavily armored cavalry was used regularly against them and was not met with major success.
+Simply falsehood after falsehood. Cavalry dominated that land. Heavily armored, lance-armed cavalry, like the Mongols and Jurchens were using. Not unarmored horse archers.
+
+However, since their metallurgy isn't as good as Western european metallurgy, their lance-armed heavy cav would lose against European lance-armed heavy cav. End of. Horse archers aren't even in the equation.
+--- 58074451
+>>58074361
+This is what dominated the steppes, not horse archers
+--- 58074456
+>>58074416
+>horse archer=unarmored
+lmao retard
+>However, since their metallurgy isn't as good as Western european metallurgy
+so you are telling me the people who controlled Persia, you know the place where Damascus steel was being forged, yeah those guys had inferior metallurgy to the Europeans who were importing it.
+--- 58074470
+>>58074456
+>so you are telling me the people who controlled Persia, you know the place where Damascus steel was being forged, yeah those guys had inferior metallurgy to the Europeans who were importing it.
+Yes.
+Are you brown?
+--- 58074480
+>>58074470
+No, we've been over that already. Reminder, you do have brown eyes.
+--- 58074501
+>>58074470
+>muh damasked steel
+tell me you ain't joking. It's literally brownoid cope. 
+>oh our steel was so great, folded over 6 gorillion times, cut through whitoid armor
+>oh you want us to make one now? uh... secret technique, uh... not for the eyes of the white devils, uh... we forgor how to make it
+--- 58074519
+>>58074501
+>muh damasked steel
+>It's literally brownoid cope.
+Then why were Europeans importing this steel?
+>oh you want us to make one now?
+>secret technique, uh... not for the eyes of the white devils, uh... we forgor how to make it
+Many Persians were white at this time however. They had not been nearly as Arabified yet.
+--- 58074535
+>>58074470
+I mean yes, which is why so little made it to Europe, damascus steel was only superior to early Euro steel but by the early 300's they had surpassed it
+--- 58074540
+>>58074519
+Europeans imported many things, from chinaware to the bubonic plague. Doesn't mean it's good. >>58074535
+this
+--- 58074554
+>>58074451
+>>58074416
+It was a one-two punch kind of thing, harass and confuse opponents with horse archers, sweep with heavy cavalry. Steppe heavy cavalry would not have been able to deal with organized infantry formations on their own, not in the way they did.
+>>58074131
+Look at the battle of Dorylaeum, once European heavy cavalry shows up, the Seljuk horse archers had to flee.
+>crusades failed
+That had little to do with the effectiveness of horse archers, besides when European heavy cavalry and Middle Eastern horse archers first clashed it was in the beginning of the First Crusade, which was a resounding success despite being clusterfuck that made the Iraq War look well thought out.
+--- 58074569
+>>58074535
+>but by the early 300's they had surpassed it
+And then promptly fell behind it for 1000 years.
+--- 58074601
+>>58074569
+proofs? Why didn't Western armies in the 1300s proliferate the use of damasked steel if it's so good?
+--- 58074622
+>>58074519
+It should be obvious that one of the most striking aspects of damascus steel is its appearance, regardless of its performance. That alone is a valid reason for it to be exported to Europe.
+>>58074569
+Surely it doesn't jog your brain too much to realise he meant the 1300s with 300's? That's roughly when Europe's metalurgy began making huge leaps either way.
+--- 58074644
+>>58074622
+>Surely it doesn't jog your brain too much to realise he meant the 1300s with 300's?
+Nah, I thought he really did mean 300s. And he'd be right. The Roman Empire was making a fuckton of steel. Right up until they weren't.
+--- 58074696
+>fucking horse archer shills on my /k/
+Well, time to kill them by the hundreds in Bannerlord again.
+God Bless Vlandia.
+--- 58074774
+>>58059906 (OP)
+horseback archery evolved from the hunting styles of steppe peoples, with vast, vast swathes of open fields where just a few feet of clearance and enhanced mobility made all the difference. You can see this with the Mongols, Tartars, Huns, etc.
+
+tl;dr mounted archery wasn't a useful skill in places with mountains, swamps, dense forests, etc so it didn't get developed into a military style like it did in the Steppes.
+--- 58075088
+>>58070562
+You didn't read my post thoroughly enough. I didn't say "immune," I said more resistant to logistical problems from vast distances than most other armies (including European ones), so trying to excuse their failures by saying Europe is "too far" is essentially just a cope.
+--- 58075100
+>>58074696
+>bannerlord
+Just two more weeks until finished
+--- 58075146
+>>58075100
+
+Too be fair its very playable for early access.
+--- 58075298
+>>58075088
+Also, even if the Mongol forces in EE could be said to be "stretched thin" by their standards, they could still represent a significant force from the perspective of Europeans of the time, give the relatively small average size of medieval armies compared to what came before (Rome) and after (early modern era, Napoleonic period, etc). A few tens of thousands of men was a pretty serious fighting force in 13th century Europe.
+--- 58075554
+>>58070219
+The only affluent population breeding above replacement rates are rural conservative whites in America, there are over 150 million of them and their birthrate is 2.7. The steppe seems to have had a birthrate crash in 2000 down to 2.0 but then it rebounded, but those whites have held the same birthrate for a century so they aren't going anywhere.
+--- 58075673
+>>58074456
+>so you are telling me the people who controlled Persia, you know the place where Damascus steel was being forged, yeah those guys had inferior metallurgy to the Europeans who were importing it.
+Yes, damascene steel was a lucky accident due to the ore there.
+--- 58077197
+>>58074519
+>Many Persians were white
+???
+?????
+Of course it's a brownoid. Dunno why I even wondered. Only brownoids shill for horse archers and damasked steel
+--- 58077252
+>>58077197
+>?????
+>literal Aryans
+>not white
+lel
+--- 58077293
+>>58077252
+Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Nordic. 
+None of the above? Not white. 
+Go pound sand, shitskin.
+--- 58077300
+>>58077293
+you're so full of shit it stained your eyes brown
+--- 58077316
+>>58077293
+This
+>>58077252
+Finns are white but not Aryan, Persians are Aryan but not white. But yeah I agree with the other anon, my personal white definition is just Anglos, Danes and the Dutch
+--- 58077325
+>>58077300
+Cry about it and keep LARPing, Mohamed. 
+Cope, seethe, sneed, dilate, etc.
+--- 58077329
+>>58059906 (OP)
+They did, they just never built their entire armies around it the way steppe peoples did.
+--- 58077334
+>>58059906 (OP)
+The climate fucks up the glue on those bows. They had a limited range for a reason.
+--- 58077339
+>>58077316
+>Persians are Aryan but not white
+correct, but they once were white.
+--- 58077378
+>>58065705
+The French were terrified of armed peasants, the English weren't because even their rebellious peasants loved the king and just hated the men around him.
+--- 58077386
+>>58077339
+>they once were white
+>WE WUZ WHITE N SHIEEET
+Pure, unadulterated brownoid cope.
+--- 58077399
+>>58077386
+Says the mulatto with brown eyes.
+--- 58077434
+>>58077399
+>Mohamed cope
+How was prayer? Did you barter for your neighbors goat?
+--- 58077448
+>>58077434
+>How was prayer?
+Do you not pray today? I will pray for you.
+
+You may be a non-white, but you aspire to whiteness and that is good.
+--- 58077460
+>>58077448
+>the brownoid also le reddit spaces
+Double shitposter. 
+Nobody follows your dirt religion except your fellow brownoids mohamed, but enjoy. Hope you got a good deal on your goat.
+--- 58077480
+>>58077460
+
+>Nobody follows your dirt religion
+Ah right, because popularity decides truth. You must be a woman then!
+>Hope you got a good deal on your goat.
+Thank you, I hope you eventually break free from the rentoid lifestyle and become able to own livestock as well.
+--- 58077492
+>>58077480
+this much projection is crazy when like 90% of mudslimes under the age of 40 live with their parents still
+--- 58077509
+>Muh Horse Archers
+Every fucking time.If heavy cavalry is so bad why did every nomadic empire use it?Why did they create Cataphracts?
+--- 58077522
+>>58077492
+
+>sees strong family structure
+>gets mad
+
+good luck with your corn syrup
+--- 58077525
+>>58077480
+>woman
+I’d be surprised if you could tell one apart from your goat. 
+>own livestock
+Degrading way to refer to your family tbqh.
+--- 58077532
+>>58077522
+>strong family structure
+You squabble with your brown parents every day because you're too poor to sustain yourselves. I wish all mudslime trash died in nuclear fire.
+--- 58077543
+>>58077532
+
+It's hilarious you still think I'm a muslim. Though frankly I consider them as most certainly superior to an atheist like you who does not pray.
+--- 58077565
+>>58077492
+It's more like their parents still live with them no? I thought that part of the world was all about members of the family across multiple generations all share the same house. In a way making the sons as much of an owner as the father and grandfather. Yes it's still thirdie shit at the end of the day but its also still comparing apples to oranges
+--- 58077574
+>>58059906 (OP)
+cause it's ineffective against a halfway competent opponent. 
+The huns who allegedly led to the downfall of rome, lost the only major battle to the romans, and couldn't break the roman line, which just formed a shieldwall and had archers with larger longer range bows behind it.
+Similarly, the one country in main europe the mongols managed to plunder was hungary, because the king got scared and sat in a wagnofort. When some hungarian knights charged without orders, they easily slaughtered mongol cav.
+>TLDR; Armor, shields, longbows are all hardcounters
+
+>main physical disadvantage
+To be used on horseback, the bow must be small, thus, shorter range and force. In effect mongol tactics work for massacring barely dressed central asian peasants who havent fought a real war in a hundred years, but whenever the mongols ran into the Europeans or the japanese, they were generally slaughtered with ease
+
+>why didn't europe
+it did. Not just horse archers, but horse crossbow and riflemen. The battlefield application is just very limited if you fight against a real army
+--- 58077593
+>>58077532
+Ironically, that sort of arrangement has more in common with the old school american farmer way of living than it does leaving out at 18 to go rent an apartment in a city. Kind of hard to keep property in the family if the family isn't fucking there.
+--- 58077625
+>>58077565
+>In a way making the sons as much of an owner as the father and grandfather.
+Thirdie cope for being incapable of establishing independence on top of generational wealth. 
+>Mehmet, my son, we must live together to maintain our family and cultural traditions 
+>Also can you buy my medication?
+--- 58077751
+>>58059906 (OP)
+Subhuman-kun, Rome used composite bows. 
+More in the east admittedly, but they did.
+Mounted medium cavalry with asymmetrical composite, sometimes.
+--- 58078847
+>>58077625
+>incapable of establishing independence on top of generational wealth
+exactly the opposite, dipshit
+saving on housing costs and pooling overheads is one of the fastest and most assured ways to snowball generational wealth, cause each nuclear family doesn't have to shell out for a house unnecessarily and common areas / resources achieve higher utilisation rates
+it's not a thirdie thing, peasants across the world have done this, and it'll be all the more important in "first worlds" like West Europe as housing skyrockets
+
+no wonder you're poor
+--- 58079207
+>>58078847
+Poor brown hands living at home with mom typed this post.
+--- 58079259
+>>58079207
+Yup.
+I did buy a house though; rent it out to poor saps like you.
+--- 58079349
+>>58079259
+>he invested in residential real estate instead of commercial
+>and he brags about it
+>while living with mommy and daddy
+Lmao
+It’s amazing how much you can glean from poor brown people when they try to brag. 
+Post skin and gun safe, poorfag.
+--- 58079401
+>>58079349
+>look at my gacha collection, said the mutt, trying to larp
+Oh sweaty, you can't fake it till you make it you know
+Residential rents are going up while commercial brick and motor continues dying as online formats take over
+You'd know this if you were anywhere near having a decent portfolio
+Now run along back to your wagecuck job, I have a business to run
+Toodles
+--- 58079450
+>>58079401
+>noguns
+>brown skin
+>poor
+>lives at home still
+Cope: The Post
+--- 58079493
+>>58079450
+If you own the house you moved out into, fine, but taking pride in paying rent is retarded
+--- 58079515
+>>58079450
+Actually, I live at my granddad's house
+We have been doing this a long time, and have gotten very good at it
+Generational wealth, sweaty ;)
+--- 58079544
+>>58079493
+Bought and paid in full, Anon. >>58079515
+>granddad’s house
+Gross. This is why you losers continuously whine and bitch about never getting pussy. 
+>Y-yeah, haha, let’s go back to my place… hopefully pops isn’t still up watching the nightly news
+One gun worth more than $2000 Anon, let’s see it. Just one.
+--- 58079663
+>>58079544
+Why should I bitch? You think we live in a wooden cookie-cutter suburban shack like you Americans like to put up? Ours is a large country home, with land, extensions, dogs, privacy
+I have one floor to myself, my own apartment, all mod cons; my parents have theirs on their floor, and ne'er shall twain meet if we don't wish it
+My girl and I fuck whenever we like, and when we get married there's rooms for the children too
+And all this cause our other properties are bringing in rent. Of course my parents can live in any one of their houses any time, or I can move out and live in the flat I bought, but why should I?
+Got to keep the assets working yknow
+And frankly it's more comfy here
+
+>One gun worth more than $2000
+Mmhmm
+That what you spend your money on huh
+Children's education paid for?
+--- 58079751
+>>58079663
+>that rant
+>that cope
+Could have just saved time and told us you’re a noguns thirdie, Anon.
+--- 58079835
+>>58079751
+>I-I-it can't be true
+Seething lol
+
+Australian, actually. Can't be arsed to get the stuff out the safe, it's somewhere in the shed. I'm not the gun nut of the family.
+--- 58079863
+Camel cavalry is superior to horses.
+
+>hardier than horses and consumes much less water and food and less picky about it's diet.
+>larger wider feet than horses allowing to traverse sand and mud easier than horses.
+>can carry 40% of body weight compared to only 20% of body weight for horses.
+>large and strong enough to mount heavy siege weapons like ballistas and small cannons.
+>taller than horses to give sight and melee advantage over horse cavalry.
+
+Camels rule and horses deserve to go the glue factory.
+--- 58079978
+Aryans were the first to have domesticated animals which is why we can drink milk. Aryan Scythians were horseback archers. Also I dare all brown poos to read the indian rig vedas. They speak of invading aryans fair of cheeck driving out the dark skinned dasa natives who indra hates.
+--- 58079984
+>>58060304
+>shoot the horse and kill/incapacitate it
+>knight falls, breaks his neck on impact and is crushed by the horse
+--- 58080365
+>>58079978
+>Aryans were the first to have domesticated animals which is why we can drink milk.
+That's not true at all. There were at least two cattle domestications one occurring in India long before the Aryans, and one in the middle east. Likewise goats and sheep were domesticated in the middle east.
+
+Aryans however domesticated the horse and invented the wheel, we don't have to make up shit about our stone age ancestors they did plenty of things for real.
+--- 58080825
+>>58068779
+lmao, this is pure christcvck cope.
+
+The Ottomans incentivized adopting islam and turkish culture and it happened quickly, no your religion isnt special.
+
+Btw in some cases local nobility weren't even required to adopt islam to keep their position. The idea that conquerors genocide everybody is really stupid, the whole point of taking over an empire is to take over an empire, not a wasteland.
+
+Also, just use your eyes, modern Turks and Greeks look identical
+--- 58080868
+>>58080825
+>christcvck
+Post gun
+--- 58080886
+>>58069384
+Steppe horses were the best in the world. That was the Mongol's only real power. Chinese horses were swamp ponies that got wrecked in every battle.
+--- 58080981
+>>58080886
+According to whom? Steppe horses were never considered good and their main positive trait was how easy it was to capture wild horses on the steppe since they bred so fast on it. But they never developed any true innovations when it came to breeding since it requires multiple generations of carefully culling weak young and feeding it a high protein diet which you'll never get a Turk or Mongol to do (white people just REALLY love horses), so while the west had huge warhorses that would charge a pike and then bite off the ears and noses of everyone it gets near to, you have basically ponies in the steppe who can barely support heavy armor on the rider, this is also why mongols needed soo many spare horses because they got fatigued fast by the rider. And also behold the main breed that would have constituted the Mongol horde, imagine trying to make that charge a line of heavy German pikemen, not happening.
+--- 58081000
+>>58080981
+No, you're wrong. Don't know who the fuck told you this. Steppe horses were OP and the poorest Mongol had many of them. Chinese horses sucked and they always had to fear the steppe people because of it.
+--- 58081004
+>>58080981
+Also in another timeline, we could have seen the equivalent of the American mustang on the steppe, but good Euro and Arab horses were so high valued, that they would never let one roam and breed like crazy in the wild, instead opting to work it till it fell dead. American mustangs are what you get when you introduce euro perfected horses into an steppe where they can actually breed and iron out the flaws not visible in settled society.
+--- 58081007
+>>74625378
+batman
+--- 58081010
+>>58081000
+You're wrong and have not showed anything that could prove it otherwise, nor could you since the only good native breeds are from central Asia and from Persian and Greek stock, not natural native to the steppe that does not favor strong horses since being tiny and fast breeding works better in a evolutionary sense
+--- 58081035
+>>58079984
+>aim at horse
+>hit horse plate armor
+>get impaled by lance
+there was an attempt...
+--- 58081424
+I'm surprised that Chang over here hasn't started talking wonders about the miraculous Chinese super crossbows.

k/58060819.txt

@@ -217,3 +217,602 @@ Ian, stop posting
 --- 58070907
 >>58070436
 is that a snopes screenshot you faggot
+--- 58071591
+>>58064935
+Based and true.
+--- 58071600
+>>58068483
+The SKS isn't even the best combloc shitbox rifle. That award goes to the Vz. And no one can prove me otherwise.
+--- 58071643
+>>58070436
+>this website on the internet told me this conspiracy theory was false
+>see look I even have a screenshot
+
+JFC posting snopes in 2023. You are either 12 or 70, either way you do not belong here.
+--- 58071758
+Oy vey, a gun that automatically reports you to police and collects your fingerprints automatically. 
+Make them free!
+--- 58071942
+>>58070907
+>>58071643
+Snopes is a reasonable thing to send grandpa when he sends you things that are obviously false. 
+>>58068676
+It's sad to see your dementia progress this far.
+>>58068622
+Checked
+--- 58072018
+>>58069006
+Nah, nobody from the company cares about 4chan. It's posted here just to raise your blood pressure - which, coincidentally, is exactly why I ordered mine.
+--- 58073205
+Adding herbs to this delicious post before it reaches page 10 (where it belongs)
+--- 58073380
+I have to admit, I only ordered one because of how cool they look. Spacegat aesthetic can't be beat.
+--- 58073586
+>>58071942
+The problem is snopes is full of things that are obviously false. It's effectively left leaning propaganda.
+--- 58073623
+You realize these threads keep getting made because a few of you dumbasses have a shitfit that rivals a Facebook boomer.
+--- 58073764
+>>58072018
+They clearly do care or they wouldn't keep posting thinly veiled ads here.
+--- 58073777
+>>58073623
+>*posts stupid shit*
+>you're a nigger
+>LELELEL I TROLL YOU
+--- 58073800
+>>58073586
+I believe you, but I'd be curious to see what what snopes has gotten wrong. They certainly have their shit together more than some anons here. Like, it's the bottom rung, most basic gramps-got-into-the-clickbait-again tier fact checking for elderly people who would otherwise send all their money to a Nigerian prince.
+>>58073623
+There are literally Facebook boomers in this thread. See:
+>>58068676
+>>58064935
+--- 58073801
+>>58071942
+Snopes is nigger faggot kike propaganda, and if you mention it for any reason except to reference a shining example of nigger faggot kike propaganda, you are a nigger faggot kike, too.
+--- 58073814
+>>58073801
+Okay grandpa. We'll see you at Christmas.
+--- 58073821
+>>58073800
+I know, and these threads keep happening because they can't control their emotions.
+--- 58073842
+[removed]
+--- 58073890
+[ Removed by Reddit ]
+--- 58073907
+>>58063775
+He really got fucked by COVID and the Russian War. 
+Whatever backlog he had built up was totally burnt through, and it's not often that you can set up a trip to a museum to pick through their collection for whatever you think is most interesting to make videos on. 
+He probably had some kind of plan with Popenker in Russia with that book deal, but that got fucked up by the invasion. And making any videos *in* Russia even today would be career suicide. 
+Whatever happened with RIA is also an issue. Chances are they wanted him to upload his vids on their channel or to their website. As, without links in the description, the cross-site traffic they hoped to see most likely became nonexistent. 
+
+So doing shill vids is basically the only way to keep the channel alive in the meant time. 
+What else is he going to do? Firearms history doesn't tend to generate new content on its own too often.
+--- 58073981
+>>58065600
+Youtube no longer allows direct links to places to purchase firearms. 
+RIA's deal with Ian was based around, "sure we'll let you finger fuck these rare gats because you can get attention to our product". Without those direct links, the same attention just isn't there. 
+As well, RIA started their own YT channel, or at least started giving it a lot of focus (https://www.youtube.com/@RockIslandAuctionCompany/videos). They probably wanted Ian to upload his ForgottenWeapons episodes to their channel. Which makes sense for RIA, but isn't something anyone could agree to. 
+
+Most likely simply a conflict of rational business interests between two parties.
+--- 58073990
+>>58073981
+YouTube hasn't allowed direct links to gun website for years. This is not a new change.
+--- 58074008
+[removed for violating Reddit's content ToS]
+--- 58074028
+>>58063775
+I would love to see him go over to Japan and do some videos on their indigenous-designed rifles like the Type 64 and Type 89
+--- 58074031
+>>58073380
+I went for the desert planet look
+--- 58074061
+>>58074028
+Japan gun people are the most autisitic of the autistic and I doubt their state armories they will let foreigners near the premises let alone fondle their indigenous assault rifles in front of a camera unless they have a level 75 black belt in Japanese, creditials out the ass, and the backing of some giant news corporation.
+>but he could just talk about the hsioteya and do some interviews
+No one wants to see that. They want gun porn.
+--- 58074136
+>>58060819 (OP)
+What optic should I get to go with mine? The built-in laser is a great idea, but I didn't see anything about an optics mount. Maybe that's something they'll ask about when they contact me about my grip profile (also a great idea)
+--- 58074151
+This is the white man's gun
+--- 58074160
+Mod Note:
+Okay I was gonna let you all have your fun but I'm going to have to lock this thread because YALL CAN'T BEHAVE! We here at /r/liberalgunowners can tolerate a lot but when things get bigoted and homophobic it's time to pack it in and think about what you've done. Let me just cap this off by saying black lives matter, love is love, hate has no home here, he will not divide us, and trans rights are human rights!. Maybe next time yall will decide to be decent fucking human beings and we won't have to have this discussion again. Until then get boosted and science bless you all.
+--- 58074189
+>this enrages the boomer
+--- 58074200
+>>58074151
+You know I got that snowbunny on me (or I will in Q1 2024)
+--- 58074223
+>>58074200
+This is the exclusive “launch” option and I think it looks the worst of all available options. The exclusive “expert” option that’s all FDE looks bad too
+--- 58074227
+>>58068159
+It's one guy shilling it because he's either trolling or on the company's payroll.
+You can add the gun to your car and preview the order before you pay. That's where all the screenshots of the invoices are coming from. No one is actually paying 1400 dollars for a gun that doesn't work when the power goes out.
+--- 58074265
+>the government will be able to shut it down
+>because THEY JUST DO OKAY
+--- 58074280
+I just want more videos of mechanically interesting historical guns, half the vids now are hawking new guns or larperator match videos
+--- 58074287
+>>58074265
+The government literally controls your electricity supply. In California the state turns off the power grid all the time because their shitty infrastructure keeps sparking wildfires. No electricity=dead battery=no gun. This isn't even getting into wireless killswitch shit which they absolutely will put into the gun without telling you.
+--- 58074297
+>>58074227
+That’s not how it works sweaty
+
+Besides, it’s really not that big of a deal to drop a refundable $150 to preorder a gun
+--- 58074308
+>>58074227
+>no one is actually paying 1400 for a gun 
+>that's a whole month of social security checks
+Maybe your kids will buy you one (if they still talk to you)
+--- 58074311
+>>58073907
+I cant be sure how much is this just talks or true, but read that the falling out with RIA was mostly large set of small-ish issues and then one day Ian was trying to buy out gun directly from the owner bypassing the auction to save money i guess in a epicly retarded way
+he supposedly got called out for it and told he is not welcome anymore
+--- 58074318
+>>58074287
+You're just reaching and searching for ways to get mad at something you'll never buy
+--- 58074324
+>>58074287
+Yeah I'm thinking meds
+--- 58074334
+>>58074311
+From what I've gathered from my memory that's just some shit made up by people who would spam /k/ with Ian bad threads.
+--- 58074343
+Really looking forward to some dork not updating his firmware on one of the 3rd party sensors and some asshole with a script kiddy toy quietly perma-disables his shit.
+
+I'm not a total cunt. I understand how not wanting to reduce small child accidents is a good thing. But fucking facial recognition + finger print sensors? Are you fucking kidding me?
+--- 58074344
+I am still waiting for a video on biatlon rifles Ian promissed ages ago and main reason for waiting was "i live in desert there is no biatlon here"
+--- 58074347
+>>58074297
+It is how it works.
+--- 58074360
+>>58060819 (OP)
+It literally costs more than an antique broom in VG condition 
+Why would you spend that much money when a 200$ LCP is just as good
+--- 58074363
+>>58074334
+It's highly possible, i actually like most of Ians content so im not incluned to dig into these too much
+--- 58074364
+>>58074324
+>>58074318
+>>58074308
+>>58073800
+>>58073623
+>>58071942
+Destroying gun rights to own the imaginary boomer fudds. Awesome!
+--- 58074368
+>>58074344
+Can't he do a running biathlon (summer biathlon) in that case?
+--- 58074371
+>>58074360
+--- 58074388
+>>58074364
+>Posts soijaks because he can't win an internet argument
+--- 58074395
+>>58074318
+>*company invents stupid product*
+>"this is a stupid product"
+>"PFFT! YOU'RE- YOU'RE JUST MAD!"
+You're the one who's emotionally invested in a gun that's doesn't work without electricity because you're so preoccupied with "owning" the boomers that live rent free in your head. Smartguns are dumb guns and you're a dumb person.
+--- 58074404
+>>58074395
+If it's so stupid why is there such massive interest on /k/?
+--- 58074410
+>>58074363
+Take what I say with a grain of salt but I believe it's because ria wanted him to only work with them without signing an exclusivity deal or something.
+--- 58074411
+>>58074371
+I’d trust the 100 year old Mauser that tried to bite off my thumb and jams when dirty more than bootleg iPhone gun
+--- 58074419
+>>58074371
+The c96 doesn't need to charge for 3 hours to fire
+--- 58074433
+>>58074404
+You're a cheeky one.
+--- 58074434
+>>58074395
+Nice ad hominem and twitter tier smug reaction image.
+--- 58074436
+>>58074395
+>stop talking about that gun in particular because it HURTS MY FEELINGS and also DESTROYS MY RIGHTS
+>Of course I don't know how it works. Why would I need to?
+>>58074223
+Their FDE looks a little darker than other FDE to me, so I went with all black.
+--- 58074439
+>>58074411
+>>58074419
+How's the ol' ball and chain?
+--- 58074440
+>>58074368
+Fuck if i know
+these guns are expensive and kind of rare, true, but compared to most of his content it should be very easy to at least get hands on one
+maybe he wants to make "look at me, im trying to do biatlon" video right after the tear-down one
+might be even more interesting than anothe brutality video, ugh
+--- 58074441
+>>58060819 (OP)
+This is going to be the Hudson H9 2.0
+--- 58074453
+>>58074439
+She left me years ago
+--- 58074458
+>>58074441
+Yes except all the hudson 9s in existence still function to this day. When the company folds and stops updating the firmware all 12 people who bought one of these are going to find it bricked within 6 months.
+--- 58074469
+>>58074410
+Yea, in the end its private stuff between then and none of us can really know what happened
+its still shame tho
+--- 58074474
+>>58074458
+You're absolutely right but you still type like someone who is visibly angry.
+--- 58074484
+>>58074458
+>yeah but in 6 months they will take away your firmware
+>no, I'm not going to google 'firmware', that's reptilian propaganda
+--- 58074491
+>>58074436
+>stop criticizing this gun in particular because it HURTS MY FEELINGS
+--- 58074517
+>>58074439
+What does that mean?
+--- 58074528
+>"innovation" in 2023 is just shoving a circuit board and battering into a thing that already exists adding extra points of failure in the process
+I hate this future. I want my fucking hover car god dammit
+--- 58074581
+>>58060819 (OP)
+This is the first gun I've been excited for in a long time. I'd also order a rifle version if they made one.
+--- 58074807
+>smart gun thread
+>frogposter loves it
+--- 58074878
+>>58074347
+No, it’s not. The reservation email looks a lot different than the cart
+--- 58074901
+>>58074436
+Plain black is so boring though
+--- 58074913
+The jailbreak/full auto is going to happen so fast, this thing has an electric trigger. Who said this is a fed dream again?
+--- 58074992
+>>58074913
+I ordered mine for the jailbreak.
+--- 58075030
+>>58074992
+>>58074913
+Since there are no parts modification is a full auto hack legal?
+--- 58075038
+>>58075030
+Obviously not legal but practically impossible to detect if done well.
+--- 58075052
+>>58074136
+Great question. Email them and let us know.
+--- 58075080
+>>58075030
+How could the feds even check? The gun will only shoot for me.
+--- 58075082
+>>58060819 (OP)
+I’m sure it is a great product for the target market: People who want a gun for home defense but never actually practice. I’m super skeptical of the reliability of this gun even with its double ID features, but I feel safer knowing the ‘yards who’d most likely end up shooting themselves with a working gun are the ones buying this brick
+--- 58075099
+>>58075080
+>>58075038
+Can you get an extended mag? It might be pretty good with one after all
+--- 58075219
+>>58075080
+Even better, have it factory reset if someone else picks it up
+>captcha: SHOT8
+--- 58075260
+>>58060819 (OP)
+Trash gun shill at it again. You will not last you shill. Every shill succumbs and quits. Every stupid poster does too. You know how mamy times some annoying ass says im here to stay get used to it before they never post again lmao its been happening for longer than youve had your job. You will not win.
+--- 58075312
+>>58075260
+Yep, he's mad
+--- 58075360
+>>58060819 (OP)
+I’ve watched all the videos. My takeaway is that this is made by a very smart company to appeal to a very stupid audience. We’ve all seen the mouth breathers at the range or in CCW classes who can barely operate their guns. They want the protection afforded by a gun but can’t be assed to practice and are still scared by the very gun they own. 
+
+This very smart company interviewed these idiots and made a product they are going to lap up.
+--- 58075550
+>>58074287
+Actually the state very rarely does it, it's the privatized power companies (mostly PG&E and Edison) that account for most of the blackouts. I live in a city with its own DWP and my power is very reliable and way cheaper than in private territory too.
+--- 58075590
+Idk why but I'm more and more convinced that there is not a single person on this site who actually knows anything about tech. Don't tell me /g/ knows anything when all they do is shit fling about Linux while being jobless.
+--- 58075600
+>>58075590
+>just now figuring out that 4chan is retarded
+The ironing
+--- 58076463
+>>58063775
+Ian worked for IRA?
+--- 58077062
+>>58076463
+Are you dyslexic o just dumb?
+--- 58077330
+>>58074913
+Electrically actuated, or is there just an electronically controlled trigger lock? 
+Big difference there.
+--- 58077354
+>>58077330
+The first one.
+--- 58077579
+>>58069006
+>without realizing that that exact demographic has every reason to despise their product.
+Idk, 'nobody can use my gun but me' seems right up /k/'s alley
+--- 58077705
+>>58073907
+>He probably had some kind of plan with Popenker in Russia with that book deal, but that got fucked up by the invasion.
+Not the invasion, even. Remember when he was fixing to publish that Swede's memoir, 5 minutes before the invasion when Azov was still evil nazis? Popenker posted that the book deal was on hold during that.
+--- 58077874
+>>58077330
+According to Ian's video, they went with an actual electrically-actuated firing mechanism, to prevent the obvious bypass potential of an electrically-blocked mechanism.
+
+I remain skeptical, because I genuinely don't understand the reasoning -- if someone steals your gun and gets it to a workbench, they're gonna make it work for them eventually. Whether that's by grinding off the blocking dingus, by reflashing it with custom firmware, or by bodge-wiring the sear solenoid straight to the trigger microswitch makes no difference -- the only reasonable goal is to make it take 15 minutes instead of 15 seconds.
+--- 58077901
+>>58074360
+That's a very pleasant color on your kitteh.
+--- 58078001
+>>58074441
+Good, that's what I want and expect.
+--- 58078033
+>>58077874
+>if someone steals your gun and gets it to a workbench, they're gonna make it work for them eventually.
+I don't even like the gun, but that's not even the market. This is aimed at people who want a gun more accessible than a nightstand safe but don't want their toddler an heroing, or people who think in the moment of home defense they might end up in a struggle where somebody takes the gun from them and turns it around.
+I'm not a fan of this gun and could make arguments against both the above, but I'm at least understanding what its going for. This isn't meant to defeat the hoards of tech nerd crackheads who are breaking into houses and reinstalling firmware on peoples' stuff.
+--- 58078311
+>>58078033
+>This is aimed at people who want a gun more accessible than a nightstand safe but don't want their toddler an heroing, or people who think in the moment of home defense they might end up in a struggle where somebody takes the gun from them and turns it around.
+AKA it's aimed at RETARDS and that's why it will fail.
+--- 58078344
+>>58078311
+Lol. Making a stupid product to sell to stupid people is a smart business move. You understand how many stupid people there are? 
+Appeal to what dumbasses want and market it right and you’ll make gorillions.
+--- 58078377
+>>58078344
+Those stupid people are the ones who are going to get our rights infringed, so we have every reason to relentlessly and mercilessly mock them and tell them they are stupid and why.
+--- 58078540
+>>58060819 (OP)
+>advertising questionable vaporware
+>vaporware that could fuck over the entire gun dealer community in NJ
+--- 58078549
+>>58078033
+>This is aimed at people who want a gun more accessible than a nightstand safe but don't want their toddler an heroing, or people who think in the moment of home defense they might end up in a struggle where somebody takes the gun from them and turns it around.
+No shit. So why the fuck is "to make it harder to defeat on a workbench" a justification for the firing mechanism? You aren't worried about your toddler disassembling it, defeating the interlock, and reassembling it, and when Jaquan gets no results from pulling the trigger, his next move is caving your skull in with the thing, not tinkering with it while fending you off with one arm.
+
+So if they are lying about the reasons for design choices, I don't trust they're being honest about how it actually works either.
+
+>I'm at least understanding what its going for.
+Me too. Too bad you aren't understanding posts you reply to.
+--- 58078566
+>>58078377
+The people you are hating on are going to take your hate as an endorsement of their decision.
+This will get pitched as the "mature, adult" choice of gun. It will start to sell well. Other gun companies will start to imitate it pursuing a higher profit margin. In 10 years, all handguns in local gunshops will be $3000 smartguns or Hi-Point. You cannot escape.
+--- 58078691
+>>58060819 (OP)
+This is the perfect gun to protect my wife’s son!
+--- 58078695
+>>58078566
+Not if nobody buys it. People that don't like guns and gun rights don't buy guns. And people who do won't buy this either. That's why posts like >>58068181 are so goofy, because they assume there's a demand for this and that people are going to be tripping over themselves trying to get these when nothing in reality supports it. The gun community has verbally rebuked the idea for years and every previous attempt to bring it to market failed probably due to the rebuke. So what good reason is there to think this time is different?
+--- 58078726
+a gun that only fired when i wanted to would be awesome, and im willing to let everyone else test it for me first
+--- 58079034
+>>58071600
+Still one of my favorites.
+Rolling.
+--- 58079037
+>>58078566
+It's more like this is the first fuel-efficient SUV on the market, and everyone with a pickup truck is feeling threatened. Trucks didn't go away, but some of their features made it to a broader market.
+--- 58079176
+>>58078695
+>Not if nobody buys it. People that don't like guns and gun rights don't buy guns. And people who do won't buy this either. 
+I ordered one lol, which group am I in?
+--- 58079179
+>>58079176
+Neither, because you didn't order one.
+--- 58079222
+>>58079179
+--- 58079291
+>>58060819 (OP)
+I really wish the Deep State’s division of Big Hat would stop shoving face recognition tech into every conceivable item. It blows my mind that people happily accept facial recognition tech. 
+>B-b-b-but the gun’s docking station isn’t connected to the internet
+>trust me bro
+--- 58079402
+>>58074528
+You basically just described modern cars
+--- 58079408
+>>58068676
+Are you going to shoot that mountain or are you suffering from first person shooter syndrome?
+--- 58079411
+>>58074913
+>tfw we do inadvertently get the Lawgiver
+--- 58079491
+>>58060819 (OP)
+Buy an ad
+--- 58079587
+>>58064935
+>Colorado smart thermostats being turned off without customers consent,
+By whom and how?
+--- 58079638
+>>58079587
+Xcel lets you opt into a program where they can make adjustments to your temperature in an energy emergency, in exchange for a credit on your bill. One 90 degree summer day, some customers had their thermostats set to 78 degrees. That's all that happened. Letting that anon have internet access is elder abuse.
+--- 58079662
+>>58079638
+Ok. I actually live in CO, but I hadn't heard of that. We have a swamp cooler, anyway.
+--- 58079705
+>>58079662
+I'd never used a swamp cooler until I went to visit my cousins in CO. It was absolutely comfy.
+You haven't heard of this program because it's not a big deal.
+https://co.my.xcelenergy.com/s/residential/heating-cooling/ac-rewards
+--- 58080294
+dystopian nightmare fuel
+--- 58080599
+>>58079638
+78 degree air conditioning is basically no air conditioning.
+--- 58080667
+>>58074913
+>>58074992
+>buy a gun
+>remove the only feature it's heingnsold for
+Or you could make a glock switch out of 20 cents of sheet metal.
+--- 58080677
+>>58065234
+The azov book was such a strike of bad luck. The guy almost gets canceled for making a book about reee muh ebil nazis, folds and burries everything and the whole ordeal is quickly forgotten. Then two weeks later the azov batallion become the heroes of the western world. What a bad timing.
+--- 58080695
+>>58079638
+Actually the program was opt-out and you couldn't opt out during the same billing period so people found out they were enrolled in this program in the middle of summer and couldn't use their AC for a month.
+--- 58080709
+>>58080677
+Maybe if he had some conviction and actually stuck to his decisions instead of going with the wind he wouldn't have had an issue. 
+>oh no, people are calling me names on the internet! Quick! Scrap the lucrative business deal!
+--- 58080727
+>>58077579
+>doesn't work without electricity
+>trusting your life to a fingerprint scanner
+Yeah bro so /k/
+--- 58080730
+>>58074028
+That would be some real cool stuff. Literally unknown here in the west
+--- 58080734
+>>58080294
+Dystopian soimare fuel
+--- 58080743
+>>58080727
+>with a fingerprint scanner
+and the backup facial recognition camera you neglected to mention
+--- 58080745
+>>58063775
+deets on what happened with RIA? And, do I remember correctly that something fell through with the other auction house, James D. Julia?
+--- 58080760
+>>58068295
+I want to love C&Rsenal, but there are only so many hour long Luger variant episodes I can stomach
+--- 58080769
+>>58074318
+>>58074324
+"The gun needs electricity to work" is not a schizo conspiracy theory. You're adding a whole other resource and supply system that has to work before your can shoot your gun. It's fucking retarded. It's like making a gas powered wristwatch. It is silly and frankly bad because they're trying to sell it to people who are too retarded to know any better.
+--- 58080773
+>>58064988
+Russians have been paying far right and far left to fuck shit up though.
+--- 58080776
+>>58080769
+Worse, aren't they trying to gain a monopoly in New Jersey because of that retarded law?
+--- 58080797
+>>58080743
+Woah it has a SECOND BACKUP ELECTRICAL SYSTEN THAT'S ARGUABLY LESS RELIABLE?! Wow that will assuage ALL of /k/'s fears and suspicions!
+No one on /k/ is buying this as a defensive gun. Some /g/eeks might buy it because "muh cybperpunks" but they're going to use it as a toy to fuck around with meaning the necessity of the biometrics systems is completely redundant since it's going to be sitting in a safe as a range toy instead on it's gay iPhone charging station in easy reach of anyone who walks in.
+--- 58080807
+>>58080776
+Likely yes. NJ changed their law specifically to "encourage the development of smart tunz" because no one wanted to be the company that got pistols banned in an entire state. Now that these faggots have a meme gun up and running the NJ government is likely to revert the law and ban all handguns but this peice of shit.
+--- 58080819
+>>58080743
+The facial scanner doesn't work without electricity either, genius.
+--- 58080846
+>>58080776
+Oh and even without any changes to the law every gun shop in NJ sill legally HAVE to buy one of these and have it avaliable for sale. So these fags are profiteering off gun control laws at the expense of local FFLs in a state where it already costs thousands yearly just to be an FFL. They're assholes using an unconstitutional legal mandate to turn a profit and they and anyone who supports them should be bullied relentlessly.
+--- 58080874
+>>58080745
+James D Julia got bought by Morphy a couple years ago; he's still working with them under that name.
+--- 58080911
+>>58080797
+>>58080819
+And a gunpowder-based firearm DOESN'T rely on parts (literally several) all successfully working together to function? But a fucking battery failing to supply power for some reason is "too many points of failure to depend on." lol
+
+This is the same seethe happening right now over ICE vs E-vehicles. Admit already that it has nothing to do with fears over the reliability of the device actually working when it needs to and everything to do with fears over looking like you have training wheels on your bike in front of muh beloved gun-community.
+--- 58080942
+>Admit some bullshit that I just made up
+No
+--- 58080961
+oh shoot, I know the guy on the left
+--- 58081022
+>>58080911
+You're a nigger kike shill arguing in bad faith. Adding electronics to a modern handgun adds exponentially more points of failure while offering little to no benefit. How about YOU admit that your desperate need for people on /k/ to like this peice of shit gun stems not from its value as a toll but form YOUR irrational fetish for technology to pervade every aspect of your life? Go tape LEDs onto a Glock if you want a cyberpunk gun so bad, retard.
+--- 58081027
+>>58060819 (OP)
+>New exciting Biofire video just dropped!
+>New exciting
+Yeah you buttfucker. That lingo sounds absolutely 100% 4chan natural. 
+Get the fuck off this board you dirty marketing shill.
+--- 58081047
+58080911
+>Admit already that it has nothing to do with fears over the reliability of the device actually working when it needs to and everything to do with fears over looking like you have training wheels on your bike in front of muh beloved gun-community.
+--- 58081053
+>>58081047
+nobody looks like this
+--- 58081095
+>>58080942
+>>58081022
+>>58081047
+Really struck a nerve, huh. I really didn't think I was that spot on. Now I know
+--- 58081105
+>>58080743
+so wait, a kid can just pick up the gun, point the back at their sleeping parent and be able to shoot it lol.
+--- 58081125
+>>58080911
+lol, S&W couldn't even add a built in lock without it fucking up occasionally. Do you really think that adding a bunch of electrical components won't impact the reliability?
+--- 58081135
+>>58081105
+People typically sleep with their eyes closed, not open.
+--- 58081151
+>>58081135
+its facial recognition, not a retina scanner
+--- 58081154
+>>58081135
+>blink
+>gun doesn't work
+Seems like a flaw
+--- 58081164
+>>58081095
+>he replied to every reply.
+Really struck a nerve, huh. I really didn't think I was that spot on. Now I know.
+--- 58081187
+>>58080743
+wait don't a lot of those facial recognition systems have issues where peoples kids can unlock them? I know at least that is a problem with iphones. Are you going to have normies leaving guns out because they think it is safe but their toddler can just pick it up and shoot?
+--- 58081189
+>>58064988
+idk who it was but this did happen
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack
+--- 58081236
+>>58081151
+>its facial recognition, not a retina scanner
+Current IPhones by default do not open with FaceID unless your eyes are open. You have to go into settings to change it to be able to open your phone with eyes closed
+
+>>58081154
+>blink
+Blinking lasts between 0.1-0.4 seconds according to google. Aiming at a target unless you are cowboy drawing takes at the very minimum 0.5 seconds. So yes, if you are the slowest blinker in your state and are moving your arms through Jello, you might have a .0000000000001% higher risk of not getting a shot off
+--- 58081270
+>>58081236
+but does the gun check for that?
+--- 58081295
+>>58081236
+You wouldn't have to worry about any of this if you just bought a normal gun.
+--- 58081305
+>this fucking company is telling people it's okay to leave a loaded handgun in access of children because they stapled an iPhone faced system onto it
+Hope they get sued.
+--- 58081365
+>>58081295
+>wouldn't have to worry about this
+It was sarcasm. I wasn't worried. I would however have to worry if my kid picked up my firearm or had to open a safe while someone is breaking through the window
+--- 58081548
+>>58060819 (OP)
+what's the point of an electric gun if it doesn't shoot electric bullets
+--- 58081562
+>>58081365
+Train your fucking kids, mongoloid. I had access to unsecured guns and ammo from 10 years old onward and I never shot myself or any of my family because I had a fucking father figure.
+--- 58081629
+>>58060819 (OP)
+This gun is incredibly niche and kind of dumb. I was promised flying cars, I got ugly guns solving a problem that could be addressed any number of uncucked ways.
+Oh well.
+--- 58081687
+>>58081562
+You wouldn't have to worry about father figures if you just bought a biometric gun
+--- 58081746
+>>58081629
+The average American can barely afford a brand new car. How the fuck are you incentivize and normalize billions of people purchasing a brand new aircraft? The technology has been there forever, what is holding it back is cost and conventions
+
+https://evtol.news/xpeng-voyager-x2
+--- 58081788
+>>58081746
+The problem isn't cost, actually. It's people. The only way we'll ever accept Bubba McFuckstick flying around over residential areas is with some sort of invisible fencing that restricts air traffic to "lanes" and limits your control of the actual craft. That's not as easy as it sounds.
+But, back on topic, this gun dumb.

k/58061377.txt

@@ -232,3 +232,145 @@ No motive. Russia can never aspire to produce a free society its Asiatic culture
 >The aftermath is grim as fuck.
 
 Link? I can only cum to dead commies.
+--- 58071248
+>>58061416
+Well, he IS a pickled gherkin.
+--- 58071253
+>>58071248
+>the DPR leader turns himself into a pickle
+>he's called... Igor Pickle
+>Funniest shit I ever seen, blyat
+--- 58071336
+>>58061727
+they obviously reached an agreement. Russia can leave unmolested, Ukraine gets Kherson
+--- 58071368
+>>58061727
+>Ukraine let ALL of the Russian elite units and their equipment just slip away across the river
+Don't you mean "down the river"?
+--- 58071521
+>>58066860
+They still have a decent amount of T-72s. According to satellite images they’re almost halfway through the tanks that are at least seemingly in good condition though
+--- 58071551
+>>58061727
+>hold an entire city hostage
+>ukraine is not russia so they're not willing to kill a bunch of civilians if they can avoid it
+>xaxaxaxa hohols allowed russia to escape they are so stupid!
+--- 58071640
+>>58062925
+>Budanov memes are taking off.
+
+It's just as planned.
+--- 58071657
+>>58071368
+Jesus christ
+--- 58071664
+>>58067071
+It's not an actual train. In Germany just like in Russia a fire train describes a group of fire fighters and vehicles that are capable of fighting fire of a certain size. if there is a really big fire you have to pull together multiple fire trains
+--- 58071665
+>>58069585
+>No motive
+Except there actually is.
+The support of the war is very low and there are a lot of people who don't like their brothers from Ukraine getting killed.
+--- 58071672
+>>58061377 (OP)
+>the gloves are coming off
+
+Is this the last cope?
+--- 58071679
+So what targets have been hit so far?
+
+Also Putin's reaction to everything in Russia blowing up:
+
+https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4a787b5f-8db1-492a-bf53-ca4aa1e56839
+--- 58071694
+>>58071665
+>their brothers from Ukraine
+Are there really any ukrainians or russians left who genuinely believe this shit?
+--- 58071702
+>>58071694
+What do you mean? People understand everything, and a lot of Ukrainians / Russian were friends before the war and remained that way.
+--- 58071706
+>>58071702
+>People understand everything
+
+Oh I see, carry on.
+--- 58071709
+>>58071706
+I don't get your point, whatever dude.
+--- 58071726
+>>58066819
+Russian humor is so weird i really dont understand it. Even chinese tiktoks are funny.
+--- 58071770
+>>58071694
+Many Russians have blood relatives that are Ukrainian.
+--- 58071785
+>>58071770
+That doesn't seem to matter much to them, does it?
+--- 58071819
+>>58071785
+It does, who told you it doesn't?
+--- 58071832
+>>58071819
+The 75 or so people who were killed or wounded in russia's missile barrage last night
+--- 58071854
+>>58071832
+Hm, did I ask you this? I don't really get your point. 
+Why did you tell me that and what's your question?
+Some guy above said:
+>>58069585
+>No motive
+He was wrong, there is plenty of mentioned above. What's your question?
+--- 58072041
+>>58071709
+The point is that you were attempting to talk sense to a Polish person, the dumbest of all the slavs.
+--- 58072048
+>>58072041
+Oi I'm a Bong
+--- 58072067
+>>58072048
+It's always one of those two stoking divisions and trying to get people to hate each other so there will be more war. I don't think the British people were ever happier than during the blitz.
+--- 58072089
+>>58071819
+You don't have many Ukie friends, do you?
+--- 58072095
+>>58072089
+Internet "friends" are not real friends, buddy. Your discord chat doesn't count as knowing people.
+--- 58072624
+>>58067512
+not in russia yet
+--- 58073839
+>>58061377 (OP)
+>ywn drive around ussr in a Lada and drone/molotove shit up while fsb pursuit is three timezones back
+--- 58073912
+>>58067005
+I was born ready
+--- 58073929
+>>58071726
+>something bad happend!
+>well it wasn't to me
+--- 58075002
+>>58071368
+>McDonald's Temporarily closed
+--- 58075022
+>>58071368
+why does everyone have a phone on? don't they know the enemy is watching and listening?
+--- 58075028
+>>58067681
+They will just bombard civilian targets again and claim it was "a retaliation targeting highest value military targets and command facilities" aka commie blocks, open and crowded shopping malls, babushka's backyard outdoor shitters
+--- 58075040
+>>58073839
+>fsb pursuit is three timezones back
+internal soviet style security checkpoints when?
+--- 58076944
+>>58071368
+--- 58077879
+>>58066819
+the ass is in the ass
+--- 58078596
+>>58061584
+>>58061631
+They had two final assembly lines during Soviet era. In Kiev and in Ulyanovsk, Russia. Not sure about production breakdown between two factories. Russia has had plans to re-start production in Ulyanovsk since late 2000's, but all that imploded once they occupied Crimea and building of new aircraft hasn't happened as that would require lots of Ukrainian shit or Russians to develop local replacement that shit. Russian air force has been able overhaul and modernize about dozen of their aircraft, with another dozen in mothballs. Russian cargo airline VolgaDnepr also has dozen aircraft, more on order if Russians manage re-start production, but there is a catch, they have rejected the modernization Russian air force ordered and prior to invasion were negotiating with General Electric for new engines and getting western avionics from various suppliers.
+--- 58081672
+>>58071368
+>>58076944
+add this

k/58062014.txt

@@ -62,3 +62,89 @@ I don't mind derringers, just that bond ones suck major dick.
 It's supposed to be a small easy to hide thing, not a fucking brick just drilled out to different calibers.
 
 Also the .45/.410 in a handgun meme.
+--- 58072215
+>>58067162
+--- 58072314
+my buddy has the papa bear and we used .410 buckshot; honestly one blast from that is enough to clear a hall in a house.
+--- 58072326
+>>58071816
+https://www.detonics.com/en/news-detonics-europe-supports-ukraine-26
+
+faggots
+--- 58072355
+>>58072326
+Yeah well lots of czech still hate russian cuz of the history so they suck ukranian dicks sadly...
+--- 58072419
+>>58064506
+God i fucking hate you norwegians
+--- 58072442
+>>58062014 (OP)
+--- 58072446
+>>58062014 (OP)
+F
+--- 58072450
+>>58062014 (OP)
+Knock knock crash
+--- 58072460
+>>58062014 (OP)
+>>58067640
+Shut up imbecile you know nothing
+--- 58072478
+>>58067162
+>Put a .50 caliber hole in two attackers
+>disappear in the cloud of smoke.
+--- 58072522
+>>58067162
+>>58072215
+I need the full comic again. I've only seen it like, once, 8 years or something ago
+--- 58072531
+>>58072522
+Had to dig a bit, but seems the only place the whole thing's uploaded is here:
+https://neilblr.com/post/58490668107
+--- 58072687
+>>58072531
+You are a gentleman and a scholarl
+--- 58072716
+>>58067162
+THERE HAS NEVER ONCE BEEN A RECORDED INSTANCE OF THREE ATTACKERS, OR OF TWO SHOTS MISSING 
+
+I IDENTIFY AS A SASSY OLD WESTERN SOCIALITE AND IT WOULD DESTROY ME MENTALLY IF DRESSING AND ARMING MYSELF AS ONE WAS IN ANY WAY DISADVANTAGEOUS
+--- 58072805
+>>58072716
+you can hide a pretty big gun, or a small arsenal, under the poofy skirt. Very roomy.
+--- 58073009
+>>58072805
+Also women get an extra pocket.
+--- 58073193
+>>58072442
+>>58072446
+>>58072450
+>>58072460
+>he think that once a criminal is "in play" they absolutely won't stop fighting until you or they are dead like some video game NPC
+>rather than the reality that they all start running once the shooting starts even if they have guns
+--- 58074812
+>>58067162
+Shoot the guy with the gun, take his gun, use it to shoot the extras. Duh.
+--- 58076177
+>>58073193
+Criminals not wanting too much trouble is the norm, but not guaranteed. Even if running from gunshots was the top choice of 100% of criminals, they may happen to be cornered, which means plan b.
+--- 58077769
+>>58062014 (OP)
+Rittenhouse needed like 7 and there were still multiple attackers who were only deterred because he still had bullets
+>>58069051
+Rittenhouse team away, the attacker caught up, he popped that attacker, then ran away again, then had to deal with several other attackers
+--- 58078986
+>>58062014 (OP)
+fuck off nogunz
+--- 58079031
+>>58073193
+>coming onto 4chin, promoting your bullshit 
+That's kjnd of sad m80
+--- 58079314
+>>58079031
+>noooo this is my safe space where you need to pretend that niggers behave like video game NPCs
+--- 58079594
+Why does this autistic fuck keep spamming threads about derr*ngers?
+--- 58079618
+>>58072442
+Same energy

k/58062080.txt

@@ -253,3 +253,244 @@ I kneel
 --- 58070019
 >>58070006
 I can't look at this image without immediately thinking about the golden ratio
+--- 58071178
+>>58064650
+Fuck I didn't notice :DD Must have been a happy accident I'm sure :^)
+--- 58071900
+>>58070019
+What's the golden ratio even supposed to mean? Like, how do you make one? I've looked at some pics with the spiral on it but I don't really get what it's outlining if that makes sense. Is it how much stuff is in a given area? Is it where your eyes are supposed to be drawn to? Please explain for an artlet.
+--- 58072759
+>>58071900
+basically its a spiral made by the most irrational number called Phi, a bit like Pi, and it crops up everywhere in nature so our brains look for it subconsciously. Its the ratio that makes (a+b)/a and a/b the same.
+--- 58072852
+>>58072759
+The image you posted it on has nothing to do with he golden ratio though.
+--- 58072911
+>>58070019
+>Line going along .... and ... terminating in focal point of the image ... an arm
+--- 58073128
+What if I lured an ATF agent to my house under criminal pretenses and then keep her in my house until she agrees to be my wife?
+--- 58073215
+English girls
+--- 58073369
+>>58073215
+Pekoe!
+--- 58073435
+>>58073215
+There's not a single Brit in your pic.
+--- 58073551
+>>58072852
+i have posted no images in this thread :)
+--- 58073579
+>>58073215
+Why do they look like literal children?
+--- 58073830
+>>58073128
+>hey officer, I think I saw someone carry an M1A into the back of this inconspicuous unmarked van, and they were wearing shoes with laces; you'd better check it out just in case
+--- 58074679
+Bucky enters your office with orders to join your command, she brings three siblings.
+
+What do you do?
+--- 58074801
+>>58074679
+>HEY
+>BUKKI
+Release Kongou on them.
+--- 58074834
+>>58074801
+I give 90% chances of Bongo launching herself at her teitoku instead.
+--- 58074885
+>>58074834
+Is that a bad thing?
+--- 58074949
+>>58074885
+depends on which floor your office is on I guess
+--- 58074956
+>>58067964
+>FAL in 7x49mm Poliviano
+--- 58074990
+>>58074834
+>Iowa said that Kongous bongos are a sight to see
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft-BPYbUNsU [Embed]
+--- 58075128
+Machine guns always strike me as something you'd absolutely hate to carry around but something you'd absolutely love to have when it's time to shoot
+--- 58075200
+>>58074990
+>Weeb parody song where the singer doesn't sound like he isn't completely tone deaf and singing quietly from his mothers basement
+Based
+--- 58075255
+>>58075128
+There's a reason why we give them to the angriest and smallest guy. He's pissed off at having to carry around such a big and heavy load and he's going to share his frustrations with you at 700 rounds per minute
+--- 58075502
+>>58075128
+>machine gun with bayonet
+--- 58075548
+>>58075502
+The Japanese were kinda silly
+--- 58075597
+>Finally getting around to watching Tomo-chan
+COLD, THE AIR AND WATER FLOWING
+--- 58075614
+>>58075128
+>thinks an MG is a bitch to carry yet woild want around when shooting
+that's cute
+--- 58075620
+>>58067923
+>He doesn't enjoy getting his guns all slathered up in oil
+Fag
+--- 58075954
+>>58075614
+Wtf is by his feet? Some weird wok?
+--- 58075972
+>mogs your entire general with one pic
+Nothing personnel, chuds.
+--- 58075983
+>>58075972
+Sasuga, retard.
+--- 58076003
+>>58075972
+>How front-heavy do you want it?
+>Just fuck my shit up fampai
+--- 58076007
+>>58075954
+Baseplate
+--- 58076143
+>>58075972
+Any one know what handguard that is?
+--- 58076547
+Tactical pup
+--- 58076564
+>>58076143
+Pri something it's a mk12 upper
+--- 58076574
+>>58076234
+>ywn hold hands with your TACP again
+why even live any more
+--- 58076588
+>>58075597
+It's a cute show
+--- 58076657
+>>58076615
+RK62M, don't see that every day.
+--- 58076959
+>>58075972
+Nice... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
+--- 58076973
+>>58075972
+--- 58076979
+>>58076959
+>>58075972
+Uhhh, BRASS DEFLECTOR!
+Yeah, that, it's so nice and clean!
+--- 58077071
+>>58075597
+HARD, THE LAND WE CALL OUR HOME
+--- 58077153
+>>58077071
+PUSH, TO KEEP THE DARK FROM COMING
+--- 58077198
+>>58062096
+Let THE CHAMP and 1911-DONO lend you a hand. The 1911 chambered in Kami's caliber defeated TWO supervillains btw.
+--- 58077392
+>>58068697
+>no snow
+>only swamps
+Ah, the pain.
+--- 58077752
+Aright fine, you win. Which of these is worth reading or watching.
+--- 58077800
+>>58077752
+read Vagabond instead
+--- 58077847
+>>58077800
+As much as I usually enjoy men with swords, I have a craving for girls with guns.
+--- 58077855
+>>58077752
+Black Lagoon is a good one to start with.
+--- 58077931
+>>58077752
+Gunsmith Cats
+Black Lagoon
+You're Under Arrest!
+SAO Gun Gale is sort of ok
+--- 58078319
+>>58077855
+>>58077931
+Wilco. Looks like reading GC and watching BL is the way to go. Will probably have to check out the GC OVAs at some point.
+--- 58078400
+>>58076602
+IS THAT LUCIA BOTKIN?
+--- 58078655
+Very intimate Germans
+--- 58078850
+>>58075597
+>waiting this long
+bruh
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJrziCwYxEo [Embed]
+--- 58078979
+>>58078364
+Impregnate all female officers
+--- 58079145
+>>58078979
+If we do that then we'll never get any work out of them.
+--- 58079217
+>>58078850
+I haven't watched it yet, but I also read the whole thing a while ago
+--- 58079278
+>>58075972
+what an absolutely unbalanced bitch of a rifle
+--- 58079351
+Love me soppo
+https://youtu.be/8CoCQW-Qnb4 [Embed]
+--- 58079440
+>>58079145
+>2 monsters and a cup of coffee
+Sowri ain't making it to Christmas cake age
+--- 58079520
+>>58079440
+thats why you've been brought in, mr anon. Your job is to breed her before being an office lady kills her
+--- 58079557
+>>58079440
+>Modernize strichtarn
+>Stechkin
+God my dicks diamond
+--- 58079895
+>>58078850
+I had a lot of things to catch up on and forgot about it for a while
+--- 58080044
+>>58079145
+Their work is being good mothers and husbands.
+--- 58080074
+>Take cleaning kit out of SKS stock
+>Sniff it every time
+God, that smell
+--- 58080076
+>>58072759
+I'm still not sure I understand, I'm also a mathlet. Please explain the way you would to a small child or a Marine.
+--- 58080105
+>>58079278
+Too bad you spent that money on dolls, could have had a nicer rifle.
+--- 58080158
+>>58080076
+Its a number nature really likes so its everywhere, and so we like it too.
+--- 58080686
+What kind of stance is this?
+--- 58080721
+>>58080686
+That's the base pose of the Mesugaki Lawman style.
+--- 58080783
+>>58080044
+Its definitely her goal. And I want to help her on that.
+--- 58080928
+>>58068369
+Nobody believes me when I say my 10/22 is "military grade".
+--- 58080965
+>try out this new Pathfinder game
+>try to play a cool sword guy
+>my numbers are too small unless a gay wizard casts HIV on me to give me buffs and healing
+>game is balanced around having a party of 6 people so can't even go in as a party of 3 let alone just me solo
+>a furry shows up to yell I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE 
+>fail a dialogue event because the imaginary dice didn't give me the correct number
+>if you redeem the succubus and romance her the ending slides say you don't even stay with her and instead occasionally VISIT HER HOUSE which is in another zip code from you. You have this lovey dovey anime ass romance only to get cucked by ending slides in contrast to what happened during the game.
+this shit is way too gay for me (I'm too cool and heterosexual)
+RNG turn-based strategy games are for bug people

k/58062355.txt

@@ -262,3 +262,157 @@ Once you figure out the puzzle it is a easy time build everything you want reall
 Mah boi
 --- 58070612
 Assault Cannon Primed.
+--- 58071139
+>>58065456
+just download it from the Internet Archive, just search "The First Decade", boom there it is.
+--- 58071149
+>>58063999
+been trying to find this for 3 weeks buddy
+just doesnt work on windows 10
+
+any ideas? cant buy it anywhere
+--- 58071166
+>>58062521
+KINO
+--- 58071219
+>>58070384
+i have the Limited Edition with a peace of the Berlin War.
+Game was extremely mega turbo ultra kino.
+--- 58071227
+>>58062355 (OP)
+this 1 is good
+--- 58071259
+>>58069151
+Not really. You have helicopters survive wounds. The UI is clunky. There isn't anything better.
+--- 58071273
+>>58065484
+>watching some shock force 2 videos
+>WARNO in the recommendations
+
+i was not expecting that much whiplash, from "whoops my corrupt third world shithole didn't provide my mortars with any smoke rounds so we get to cowabunga across this bridge into the urban ambush we know is waiting cause there's nothing else to be done" to "this helicopter can survive two wounds from a Buk and has a 3+ ECM saving throw".
+--- 58071307
+>>58071273
+I hate how slimy the camera is in Shock force 2, and also how much freedom they've given the TacAi compared to older titles. No, I don't want my vehicles to suddenly reverse course and drive two blocks away into an enemy ambush because one stray bullet happened to graze the bumper, thank you
+--- 58071378
+>>58066003
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghJuYC_RjTY [Embed]
+shame eugen refuses to polish ranked play and add a map selection, this looks like so much fun
+--- 58071692
+Simple as
+--- 58071714
+>>58062355 (OP)
+I am rather fond of Black Powder Red Earth myself
+apparently there is a comic book or something set in the same universe as well, but I've only played the game
+--- 58071743
+>>58066440
+You just lack skill
+I made it through on regular rations and without "crossing the line" - whatever that means
+The trick is to start prepping right from day one, don't listen to your citizens when they bitch about it being a little chilly and completely ignore the religious path because hope is borderline meaningless once the londoners issue is resolved
+--- 58071786
+>>58071692
+Game? 
+Looks very cool
+--- 58071799
+>>58071714
+Always blows my mind the comics/worldbuilding was done by the fucking vocalist of Discordance Axis.
+--- 58071875
+Yes, I know it's the worst Tom Clancy game. Yes, I know it's kind of a crappy RTS. Yes, I know that the premise and the game itself is kind of retarded. Yes, I know it's all built around a single (not all that impressive) gimmick. It's still weirdly comfy though. 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyYNBYedzqw [Embed]
+--- 58071892
+>>58071786
+Flashpoint Campaigns: Southern Storm, it is very cool and simulates a lot of things if you don't mind the abstract presentation. It's about £50 on stream right now but worth getting for sure on sale.
+--- 58071996
+>>58071892
+Than you Anon
+Will definitely check it out
+--- 58072392
+>>58071743
+>>58070461
+No, I'm fine with razor thin lines to success and all, but Frostpunk did it in the worst way possible by making all the options the devs simply didn't like unviable. I think the biggest issue with Frostpunk is that it's a relatively short term game. If this was taking place over the course of a century or two then yes, we should at least consider child labor laws. But in the emergency short term? A lot of shit can go out the window. 
+If a strategy game has a single method for success instead of a single goal to be reached with whatever method, is it even a strategy game?
+--- 58072773
+Warzone 2100
+Jagged Alliance
+Battletech
+Fallout Tactics
+Aliens Versus Predator: Extinction
+Homeworld
+Total War
+Men of War
+Ratten Reich
+--- 58073082
+>>58071149
+You should be able to spin up a Hyper-V VM on Win10 and install either Win98 or XP on it. (Hell, I want to say 10 has an "XP mode" baked into it like that?)
+
+/g/ should have something...
+--- 58076147
+>>58062355 (OP)
+Not exactly pure /k/ but it's definitely some kommando's ultimate fantasy. You and a few friends, one dog or a dozen, and a shitton of guns and tribals to shoot up with those guns.
+--- 58076775
+best strategy game of the 00's and you cant even find a copy to buy anymore
+
+RIP westwood
+--- 58076790
+>>58071149
+EA sells a collection of every cnc game ever made on their launcher for like 20 bucks. 
+for CNC and RA 1-2 use cncnet's patch.
+For generals use genpatcher
+For CNC and RA 3 use flawless widescreen
+idk about renegade, never played it.
+--- 58077810
+dead game
+--- 58078968
+>>58077810
+every thoroughbred RTS game is dead kek
+--- 58079072
+>>58077810
+>game adds russian faction
+>it's for retards who don't know how to play
+every time
+--- 58079112
+>>58076775
+>best strategy game of the 00's and you cant even find a copy to buy anymore
+you can play that one for free these days, the online servers are maintained by the community
+https://cncnet.org/download
+--- 58079170
+>>58079112
+get mental omega
+--- 58079204
+>>58079112
+I think a lot of the "oh woe is me, for I can no longer partake in this exceptional gaming exerience from my childhood :(" belly aching itt is just from people who's google-fu is weak. Old RTS games unanimously have tiny enclaves of autists that will keep them functional and available for modern audiences, they just haven't managed to seek them out for whatever reason. CnC, homeworld cataclysm, they all can be played on modern systems if you know how to perform a keyword search.
+--- 58080269
+>>58076147
+I have never thought of Rimworld like that... but you're goddamn right
+--- 58080298
+NOTHING STOPS THE MAIL
+--- 58080310
+>>58080298
+>team using shitty junk technology is the most overpowered
+this is when i realized generals is simply worse than ra2
+--- 58080397
+>>58076147
+>>58080269
+>you and your comrades dropping onto a barren planet
+>build the first /k/abin
+>huddle around the basic fire while the blistering cold screams around you, coming up with creative curses for those glitterworld faggots for entertainment
+>invite in some wild dogs
+>survive the winter, grow your own food in the spring
+>name your settlement The /k/ingdom
+>your faction name All Those Faggots
+>build guns, artillery, and defensive positions
+>sew your own surplus uniforms and armor
+>domesticate deer
+>buy a TV for anime
+>raid other settlements for loot
+>convert captives to the murder /k/ube
+>resist enemy raiders
+>defeat ancient forces
+>burn insects a la Klendathu
+
+Rimworld is /k/ as fuck
+--- 58081612
+>>58080397
+rimworld is fun, but my colony usually turns into farmer/rancher/industrial kitchen/fur trader simulator
+--- 58081761
+>>58063233
+This, it placates my autism in ways no other game could.

k/58064221.txt

@@ -119,3 +119,123 @@ Just don't transmit at the wrong time.
 --- 58069859
 >>58067643
 [email protected]
+--- 58071073
+Cool thread. Bump
+--- 58071086
+>>58064221 (OP)
+>not opting for night vision for best solo build.
+
+>Out being military larpers.
+>I cut the power and start shooting
+>OH SHIT WHAT THE FUCK. GET OUT.
+>Your radio works in all telling each other you get out while I pick off half of your group
+--- 58071127
+>>58064221 (OP)
+>not having a dearth squad that speaks with mostly your sign language
+--- 58071131
+>death squad
+:/
+--- 58071480
+>>58064221 (OP)
+Motorola equipment is really not comfy to use.
+It's like using cisco equipment at home. It's corporate bullshit.
+Get some chink radio that is easy to program, has usb-c charging, vfo and is not rf deaf like moto.
+--- 58074118
+>>58064221 (OP)
+HAMPR and meshtastic
+--- 58074621
+>>58069859
+Well it looks like you're not getting astro 25 and I'm not getting a blowjob
+--- 58074643
+>>58071480
+They're fine by me
+--- 58074691
+>>58074643
+is that your ballsack nigga
+--- 58074863
+>>58064221 (OP)
+Why do you even bother asking? You don't have anyone to talk to.
+--- 58076861
+>>58074863
+Kek'd and rekt.
+--- 58077553
+Analog niggers shitting themselves in my thread.
+--- 58077635
+CB radios.
+That's all I'm gonna say.
+Cheap and plentiful easy setup easy use.
+--- 58078871
+>>58064221 (OP)
+I dont care about communications I just want to be able to scan and locate signal sources. For scientific reasons of course.
+--- 58079132
+>>58078871
+There’s good YouTube videos on the topic.
+--- 58079239
+>>58077635
+Please use CB and enjoy being tracked
+--- 58080043
+>>58077635
+>CB radios.
+>That's all I'm gonna say.
+I wisg the jive turkey motor mouths would use the brevity codes. I feel like Ripley in Aliens listening to CB now
+>did IQs suddenly drop
+I am 10-10.
+--- 58080061
+>>58071127
+>t. ASL ninja
+--- 58080236
+Why are ham operators so fat and miserable?
+--- 58080386
+>>58080236
+They don’t go outside. They sit in their chair indoors with their 110W Ham Radio and talk about how their 240 pound whale of a wife won’t bring their cat-baby to the vet.
+--- 58080393
+>>58064221 (OP)
+I will be your friend
+>>58064353
+nigger
+--- 58080407
+>>58080236
+They have a boatload of medical issues including bowel issues. That's basically all they talk about other than their rigs and antennas.
+--- 58080408
+>>58080393
+Thanks man
+--- 58080476
+PL259 to BNC adatpers arriving soon. Picnonrel.
+--- 58080516
+>>58065095
+YWNBAW
+--- 58080536
+>>58080476
+UV-9? I’m not familiar with Baofeng.
+--- 58080564
+>>58080236
+They don't get out and actually do things unlike us.
+--- 58080572
+>>58080536
+"Weatherized" UV5, like IP4 or maybe better. Same thing, same shitty specs. You will notice the xmit noise floor near carrier ~ -40dBm and the pwr level not at spec. You don't expect much for $40. It's actually pretty amazing for $40.
+--- 58080579
+>>58080516
+>screeching about trannies out of nowhere
+Have you considered that you might be mentally ill?
+--- 58080595
+Are custom smoke signals and creating your own conlang to use with others the ultimate form of encryption?
+--- 58080608
+>>58080572
+How much do the Baofengs spillover compared to a more expensive handheld? 
+
+>>58080595
+The Indians don’t call the shots anymore so that might be an indication.
+--- 58080609
+>>58080595
+>custom smoke signals
+Yes for Chief Dorkfuck and his band of retarded inbreeds. Say "attack" on a windy day.
+--- 58080631
+>>58080608
+>spillover
+Define this term in your context? The tx freq was right on for setting. Output pwr was off per spec.
+--- 58080660
+>>58080631
+You answered the question.
+--- 58081910
+>>58064221 (OP)
+Sometimes I like to go outside to my pront porch and scream out nigger as loud as I can. The person who calls back becomes my friend.

k/58064846.txt

@@ -82,3 +82,72 @@ With triple the charge, a proper HE like rdx, and a long oal to ensure proper st
 >>58064846 (OP)
 I've made HE 12g rounds before.
 Same damage as an equivilant slug.
+--- 58071470
+>>58069011
+What kind of HE did you use?
+--- 58072278
+>>58066975
+The problem with small HE is not some physical phenomenon. They just couldn't make small fuzes back in the day. Also spin messes with shaped charges.
+
+Look at Raufoss. It has no detonator. All that HE is just niggerified incendiary on impact. Look at M789. It's pathetic.
+--- 58074266
+>>58072278
+>spin messes with shaped charges
+It does?
+--- 58074578
+>>58074266
+Yes. They use corrugated liner cope to somewhat mitigate it.
+
+>40mm HEDP 76mm pen
+>125mm RPG 1300mm pen
+--- 58074882
+>>58068579
+>>58072278
+>>58067766
+You notice how that explosive is about three times the length of a shotgun slug, then has extra stilts on the front of it? 
+THAT is why it doesn't work the way you think it does. The increased demands on both warhead design from both housing and absolute hard length limit. It lowers the potential starting diameter of your cone, and absolutely inverts ideal standoff. You're forgetting that this has to fit inside something capable of surviving being fired out of a shotgun (the bomb in your video would have been turned to explosive confetti) and *that* has to fit inside a shotgun shell. 
+Pick up a shotgun slug from your house and actually think about the scale for a second, I assume you have one nearby.
+
+There is a *reason* why when the military tried this they could barely get through half an inch of steel.
+--- 58077064
+>>58064922
+>>58069011
+>>58072278
+I don't understand why you guys act like 7g high explosive isn't enough to make a big difference in target damage, look at what this raufoss does to this brass at 4:16 compared to the other 50 loadings. 
+https://youtu.be/xGUCKj2cBzc [Embed]
+--- 58077799
+>>58077064
+You didn't quote me, but I want to be clear I think an explosive shotgun slug can be tremendously lethal, and more armor piercing than any other shotgun slug, I only explained the limitations.
+--- 58078378
+>>58074266
+conservation of angular momentum is a bitch
+
+Good news is, smoothbore shotguns are readily available, "all" you have to do is make it an aerodynamically-stable projectile in addition to everything else.
+--- 58078418
+>>58064846 (OP)
+>HE ammo? 
+Why can't it be SHE ammo? Or XIR ammo? Why does it have to be gendered at all?
+--- 58080607
+>>58077064
+Dang
+--- 58080637
+>HE ammo
+It's ma'ammo!!!
+--- 58080664
+>>58078418
+>>58080637
+retards stuck in 2016 that think they're being remotely clever or funny
+--- 58080676
+>>58080664
+If only you knew how bad it will become. Mark my words.
+--- 58080809
+>>58080664
+No gun
+--- 58081011
+The fusing system on 12Gauge anti-armor would be a bitch and a half. HEAT is hard enough but EFP would be downright impossible. All you can get is impact-induced high explosion. In Raufoss, the explosion is there to assist the high velocity tungsten.
+--- 58081159
+>>58064939
+I will now read your book.
+--- 58081179
+>>58081011
+You can get a sub optimal focused explosive fairly easily, FRAG-12 penetrated way under "ideal" but more than simply hucking HE.

k/58064896.txt

@@ -89,3 +89,40 @@ The fact that it's not common knowledge basically proves that people dont buy th
 --- 58068897
 >>58068066
 Has the little bit of hair just below her right hand always been missed on this edit?
+--- 58071075
+>>58065913
+I’ll look at those Hough grips. Thanks anon
+--- 58071146
+They're made in Vietnam now at the Z111 factory.
+--- 58074654
+>>58068765
+Yes, and the problem is still present on the Jericho II. I know because I owned one and sold it a while back because aftermarket was almost non-existent until recently. This is because According to the manual the factory sights are zeroed to 25 meters (yes meters) so ~80 ft. You are going to have a lot of hold over at shorter distances and will have to aim at the very center of the dots instead of the tip like other firearms.
+--- 58075134
+>>58064896 (OP)
+Because you're not gonna carry that weight and no one will see you, space cowboy
+--- 58075428
+>>58067159
+>>58068066
+Its because the factory sights on post-2007 models are too low, if you replace them with night sights the grouping corrects itself bc theyre taller sights. I had this issue with my baby eagle 3 but after new sights it fixed the issue. I'm currently waiting on sights for my Baby eagle 1 compact to confirm if this is the case for older models as well.
+
+As for the slide, probably just training scars. I find the easiest way to operate the action is a slingshot-like pull picrel
+These are great pistols, but admittingly they do have weird quirks to iron out.
+--- 58077427
+>>58064896 (OP)
+I got a parts kit without the (polymer) frame. Anybody know where I could grab one?
+--- 58077450
+>>58066469
+/Biz/ is full of retards lying about how much money they make while peddling crypto bullshit and shit coins. Fuck off.
+--- 58079084
+>>58064896 (OP)
+annoying to look through 10 gorillion ads to find an original norailz one
+Then when you see one it's some fuckwit with his beat to shit Israeli police trade in advertising it like it single-handedly ended Palestine and Vicious
+--- 58080666
+>>58064896 (OP)
+bc guns are for insecure faggots and criminals
+--- 58080956
+>>58064896 (OP)
+Buy an ad moishe. It's getting so tiresome.
+--- 58081031
+>>58080666
+satan would say that

k/58066891.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,373 @@
+-----
+--- 58066891
+why does everyone at the range look like this?
+--- 58066900
+>>58066891 (OP)
+because it's fun and it triggers nu-fudds like yourself
+--- 58066935
+>>58066900
+don't you feel embarrassed for being an adult and playing dress up?
+you realize you are cosplaying?
+--- 58066947
+>>58066935
+poor
+--- 58066954
+>>58066935
+DAMN
+--- 58066956
+>>58066935
+you sound like an impoverished, anti-gun homosexual
+--- 58066960
+I usually wear a dress or flannel
+--- 58066977
+>>58066947
+>>58066956
+do you think spending 5k on some tactishit is a lot of money?
+Only a poor would have this line of reasoning.
+--- 58066978
+>>58066891 (OP)
+young
+--- 58066998
+>>58066891 (OP)
+I dress like this but its because "the range" is my land, my woods, and my territory to spook around as I please.
+--- 58067011
+>>58066977
+>implying I've only spent 5k
+poor detected! poor detected! poor detected!
+--- 58067146
+>>58066977
+poor
+--- 58067173
+>>58066977
+40k GPNVG's in pic
+>5k
+
+are you ok retard?
+--- 58067197
+>>58066891 (OP)
+What can is that? Or is it just a short can with a cover?
+LMT is sexo too.
+--- 58067243
+>>58066891 (OP)
+Because it looks awesome, faggot.
+--- 58067317
+>>58067011
+>>58067146
+>>58067173
+>glazing over the shit photoshop
+whew i knew summer was near but holy shit is it bright outside
+--- 58067404
+>>58066891 (OP)
+i hate multisneed camo
+--- 58067423
+>>58066891 (OP)
+have you ever been to a gun range?
+--- 58067432
+>>58066891 (OP)
+Because its important to train with kit on. It's how you get better. If there was ever a situation where you had to defend yourself with a firearm, you would ideally want body armor and a way to carry ammo. When you train with kit, not only does it make you more proficient but it makes you realize what works and what doesn't work and you may need to make adjustments here and there to achieve a functioning and efficient setup of equipment. Just training with your rifle or whatever wont make you better. It'll make you a good shot, sure, but there's more to it than just being a good shot.
+--- 58067488
+>>58066935
+Based
+--- 58067511
+>>58067432
+Go hiking with it on instead of making yourself look retarded like the tards who wear a yukata in public
+--- 58067527
+>>58066891 (OP)
+I make sure to load extra big charges of black powder when I'm upwind of the larp brigade and their SBR 300BOs.
+--- 58067622
+>>58067511
+Not the same at all lmao. Kit may need to be rearranged for better efficiency and the only way to find that out is if you train with it on.
+--- 58067627
+>>58067317
+see previous
+--- 58067646
+I just roll up in my office attire; blue oxfords, guayaberas of various colors or sleeve lengths, Bahama shirts, chinos or black khakis, and my safety toe loafers
+--- 58067651
+Because they're dorks. Simple as.
+--- 58067668
+>>58066891 (OP)
+STOP LARP SHAMING
+--- 58067672
+>>58066891 (OP)
+Americans should do as they please.
+--- 58067687
+>>58067622
+Train with it in your backyard, go on a midnight walk, run on a cheap treadmill, do jumping jacks with it on, you don't need to make others cringe for you to satisfy your cosplay desires
+--- 58067799
+>>58066977
+>5k
+I wish.
+--- 58067812
+>>58066891 (OP)
+I've literally never seen a single person in gear at the range
+--- 58067837
+>>58066935
+train how you fight, simple as
+--- 58068011
+>>58066891 (OP)
+what kind of range do you go to? 
+never seen anyone in kit at any wma or range ive been to
+--- 58068031
+>>58067687
+I don’t care what a fat basement dweller like you thinks
+--- 58068088
+>>58068031
+You playing dress up in places where you arent actually getting any benefit from it is half a step away from a tranny trying to justify using the girls bathroom, it’s offputting and everyone judges you for it, but go off i guess queen.
+--- 58068130
+>>58066960
+Fellow Canuck spotted.
+--- 58068143
+>>58066891 (OP)
+They have no training, they think the equipment is what keeps people alive. Guy with actual training has cargo pants at most.
+--- 58068230
+>>58066935
+everyone is playing dress up all the time, it's just most people are wearing their wagie cosplay
+--- 58068239
+>>58066947
+>>58066956
+He's 100% correct though, it's objectively true. You are playing dress up. Why not just own it? You like to dress like a soldier for fun, at least
+>>58066900
+..is honest
+--- 58068285
+Everyone who still uses the poor meme should be legally required to show all their assets outside of heckin gunarino toys.
+--- 58068288
+>>58067812
+I took a carbine class in the summer and threw my armor on (not kitted out like OP) and the instructor is like “You’re just making it harder for yourself”. I said I thought that was the pint. (Disclaimer: Did not say “Train hard fight easy brother”).
+--- 58068332
+>>58068130
+Pacific northwest US so close enough
+--- 58068365
+>>58066891 (OP)
+Wouldn’t know I shoot at my friends fathers land in the mountains
+--- 58068395
+>>58067837
+You queers aren't fighting anything.
+--- 58068399
+>>58066891 (OP)
+So they can be the next AlphaDelta Seal SMU Black Berets
+--- 58068416
+>>58067243
+It looks awesome in a active combat zone
+Even a fucking raghead wearing old Soviet gear looks more awesome 
+If you are dressed like this after your pit stop to McDonald’s on the way to a range you look like a dork and should be treated as such
+--- 58068475
+>>58068416
+Ramirez isn't going to be around to save my local Burger Town when the Russians come. Semper paratus baby.
+--- 58068497
+>>58067432
+Way of the gun style gear
+>body armor 
+>belt with spare magazine and ccw holster
+>easily concealed under clothes 
+Is all any civilian would realistically need
+Even if you are involved in crime and are a hitman 
+Unless you are some mercenary working in Latin America all that stuff is nothing more than toys
+--- 58068519
+>>58068239
+ill say it again if youd like. but you sound like a bitch and probably would report me for spamming
+--- 58068816
+ITT: Poorfags
+--- 58068898
+>>58068475
+Buying ten PSA shitters and putting them in your closet is gonna save the town far far more than you pretending to be a door kicker and getting ventilated like the vdv niggas all did when they tried to be high sped operators in Kiev
+--- 58069223
+>>58066956
+Spending an obscene amount of money on pussy repellent like OP’s pic doesn’t mean you’re not poor. It’s not even a good status symbol because the only people who know how much those NODs and that IR laser costs are other gun autists.
+--- 58069246
+>>58068816
+>wow you think that $1,200 I spent on my fur suit was too much money? ok poorfag
+--- 58069293
+>>58069246
+Thats high quality for such a low price. 
+Whos the maker?
+--- 58069329
+It's okay to play army dress up, just be self-aware about it and don't take it seriously. Tactical larpers who actually think they're elite uber commandos are annoying faggots.
+--- 58069517
+>>58066891 (OP)
+if you plan to wear that gear during doomsday then sure it's fine to train in it.
+--- 58069576
+>>58066891 (OP)
+What range do you go to... is it in the military. Are you in the military is that the joke
+--- 58069583
+>>58066935
+No
+Yes
+--- 58070344
+>>58066891 (OP)
+Because you are at Ft. Bragg?
+--- 58070400
+>>58068395
+>You queers aren't fighting anything.
+--- 58070414
+>>58066891 (OP)
+What plate carrier?
+--- 58070961
+>>58066935
+I enjoy cosplaying.
+--- 58071464
+>>58067837
+>put on larp uniform
+>drive 45 minutes to the range
+>shoot static targets at 100 yards for two hours
+>get bored and start magdumping at pistol range
+>aon the way home stop by mcdonalds and get a milkshake
+>"train how you fight, simple as" he says to himself
+--- 58071466
+>>58067646
+Based guayabro.
+This summer is gonna be Guayabera and a Smith 6906 every day.
+--- 58074378
+>>58068395
+fuck off im fighting the urge to suck your fucking cock right now
+--- 58074408
+>>58066891 (OP)
+Larperators like Botkin normalized it.
+--- 58074417
+>>58066935
+REKT
+--- 58074428
+>If I wear what the popular kids are wearing, I’ll be happy
+--- 58074429
+>>58066935
+>don't you feel embarrassed for being an adult and playing dress up?
+No. 
+>you realize you are cosplaying?
+Yes.
+--- 58074734
+>>58066935
+They hated him because he spoke the truth
+>shut up!
+--- 58074763
+Tactical gear is the funko pops of gun culture
+--- 58074773
+>>58066935
+They hate you because they resemble that remark.
+The
+>shades
+>hat backwards
+>bechrested Suppressed 300BO pistol
+Are the funniest.
+--- 58074792
+I'll never stop larping, continue to seeth in your apartment europoor.
+--- 58074795
+>>58066935
+based, lmao'ing at all the salty replies ITT
+--- 58074800
+>>58066891 (OP)
+I've never seen someone dressed like this at a range. Most tacticool I've seen is two fat guys with plate carriers and Hawaiian shirts. What ranges do you go to?
+--- 58074836
+>>58074800
+You must live in a suburban or rural area, in most cities the ranges close by are full with zoomers trying to be the next gun eceleb. Even the ranges here in Salt Lake are full with tacticool tards
+--- 58074852
+>>58068816
+>spends money on range toys instead of ranch land
+>p-poor!
+--- 58074898
+>>58074836
+Thats probably why. I only go to WMA ranges
+--- 58074919
+this is my range outfit
+--- 58074934
+>>58068088
+NTA but how is shooting with the kit youre supposed to use when shooting bad?
+--- 58074940
+>>58066891 (OP)
+is this Garand Thumb or something?
+--- 58074974
+>>58074934
+Fats think you're only suppose to shoot guns sitting down on a bench. On the occasion they are standing, they just reload from their back pocket.
+
+Remember you're only one nog being choked out on the street showing up on the news away from needing to wear any kit.
+--- 58074977
+>>58074940
+Garand thumb with a pube beard would be weird
+--- 58075246
+>>58074934
+They're fat and poor and the type of person to go to a boxing gym to do bag drills "for fitness" - but never spar anyone or have any interest in how an endeavor "that's never gonna happen" such as a fight - would actually work
+--- 58075308
+>>58074934
+They're 1200lb immobile objects who are big meanies :(
+--- 58075310
+>>58068143
+Idiot. You are auch a stupid mothercucker you cant differentiate between pictures of pipe cleaners in a bodyguard style low vis mode while theyre driving through a town or hamlet whatever theyre called and when theyre dropped off for a room clearong cqbbbbbb high value target kill or capture mission.
+--- 58075321
+>>58075310
+OOH RAH DEVIL DOG GET SOME RUFF RUFF
+--- 58075323
+>>58066935
+Fax.
+--- 58075344
+Wannabe cracker losers, same as airshit crackers.
+--- 58075345
+>>58070344
+
+No I was at Fort Fag
+--- 58075423
+>>58066935
+based
+--- 58075467
+>>58066935
+You thinking about my penis right now?
+--- 58075679
+>>58066935
+Unfathomably based
+--- 58075766
+>>58067432
+Who are you fighting? Do you always wear armor? Because when you need a firearm won't be up to you.
+--- 58076872
+>>58066891 (OP)
+--- 58077082
+>>58066935
+Poor. Look at all the gay kid replies lmao
+--- 58077141
+>>58068230
+thread should have ended here, we're all acting as something we want to be.
+--- 58077708
+There was a group of these fags today all doing drills together. I walked up in gym shorts, slides, and my battle belt hanging over my t shirt and joined them. Absolutely mogged them all, ended up turning it into a little class. It was like a bunch of retarded professors all dressed nicely being lectured by a student wearing $5 in good will clothes.
+--- 58077741
+>>58067197
+I hot a lmt lower because i couldnt find a radian lower at a resonable price but the vltor MUR upper i already purchased didnt fit the lmt lower. I like it but wish i mated to more uppers
+--- 58077885
+>>58066935
+I for one am glad shooters can dress up like this, but it's cope for hitting that point in shooting where going to the range and setting up is a pain in the ass, so if you are dressed up like Soap McTavish then it's fun again.
+--- 58080889
+>>58066891 (OP)
+So all your equipment is on you instead of a table. If you’re not a flat range indoor shooter you’d find it useful. No tables in the outdoors. 
+
+>>58066935
+How vain, you focus on form over function
+--- 58080914
+>>58066891 (OP)
+Idk what gun range you go to but the only time I see people in kit is during training events. Based if people do tacticool LARP at yours full time, the 2nd Amendment is to be used to kill enemies of the people, not for some faggy sport purposes and I'm glad we're stopping the sugarcoating nonsense.
+
+Wouldn't catch me in anything more than a couple of mixed multicam pieces though, dressing as a ZOGbot is real gay.
+--- 58080915
+>>58066900
+AR larperator fags are way closer to fudds in spirit because they hate anything outside of their gay larp and don't enjoy firearms. No different than some fat boomer with a durr rifle he only shoots once a year from a tree stand.
+
+Nu Fudds are the people who tell you what you "need" instead of "you don't need that". It's the same myopic anti fun cancer mindset
+
+Fuck you zoomer
+--- 58080998
+the amount of asspain and cope in this thread is unreal fukken lmao
+you will never be a SEAL. you will never be a Raider. you will never be an oper8r. Only an ultra-autist. That will be your highest honor.
+--- 58081235
+>>58080998
+>never be a seal
+>never be a fat retard who lies about missions where his buddies got killed by stupidity for jews
+good
+--- 58081284
+>>58066891 (OP)
+you have to embrace your own style, show the military larp fags the what for. I rock a hybrid of an IRA member and the columbine edge. I dont care, I feel cool because its graymanish and no one else really does it. Let the overplayed armyfags play dressup, and find your own "cringe" aesthetic
+--- 58081294
+>>58080889
+Let’s be real.
+Everyone who does this does it because the cool army guys wear it. 
+If these same items were available to civilians with the exact same function but an entirely different form than what was given to the military, no one would want it. They would want the same thing but with the form of the army guy’s stuff.
+--- 58081532
+>>58066891 (OP)
+I simply find it funny that many of these guys are preparing for SHTF but are only making themselves look like prime loot drops.
+--- 58081665
+>>58066891 (OP)
+>>58066935
+Why do you care?

k/58067064.txt

@@ -28,3 +28,37 @@ Payload 6kg, total weight 35kg (there's some incorrect claims of 35 kg of payloa
 
 https://www.overtdefense.com/2023/05/02/baykar-tech-unveils-the-bayraktar-kemankes-loitering-munition-for-the-first-time/
 https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/baykar_released_the_kemankes_mini_cruise_missile_compatible_with_the_bayraktar_tb2_it_will_go_into_series_this_year-6536.html
+--- 58072982
+>>58067446
+Neither can a missile.
+--- 58075948
+>have a turbojet
+>still use thermals
+>mmWave
+>cheaper to make the radars
+>can work in bad weather
+>better object recognition due to 3d data
+>cons: can be jammed
+Why didint they go with mmWave like brimstones ? Optics like those are half the price of the damn missile
+--- 58076765
+>>58072982
+>Neither can a missile.
+https://youtu.be/6IwqmezeSuQ [Embed]
+--- 58077618
+>>58072982
+Yes, and a missile is also a type of munition, why exactly did you post this?
+--- 58079448
+>>58067064 (OP)
+>>58067068
+>don't talk to me or my son ever again
+--- 58079461
+>>58072982
+>>58076765
+kek
+--- 58081388
+>>58077618
+Dumb missiles don't return to base either. Are dumb missiles loitering munitions?
+--- 58081411
+>>58072982
+>Neither can a missile.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lduMrY5ILGI [Embed]

k/58067412.txt

@@ -157,3 +157,407 @@ The whole autistic room clearing mentality didn't exist back then, no one was pr
 >>58067540
 >sperm gun oil
 I hadn't considered using that before.
+--- 58071257
+Wait until you find out you could buy arsenal refurbished U.S. Krag-Jorgensens in the 1920s for as low as $1.50 wholesale and $7.50 retail, and that the government gave away thousands upon thousands of Krags and 1903/06 Springfields PLUS NEW MANUFACTURED AMMO to gun clubs across the nation for FREE, and the laws then required them to do so.
+--- 58071262
+>>58069200
+even back then sako was stupidity expensive too lmao
+--- 58071267
+>>58071257
+>the laws then required them to do so.
+what law ?
+--- 58071275
+>>58067412 (OP)
+interesting
+--- 58071566
+>>58069193
+If you could, please show me the most tacticool gun in the catalog
+--- 58072375
+1929
+--- 58072441
+>Pre 1967
+>They did this.
+Imagine the political and legal fallout if a 
+firearms manufacturer advertised like this today.
+--- 58072469
+>>58070096
+Now adjust for average income.
+--- 58072471
+>>58069200
+>(((Klein)))
+--- 58073089
+>>58069861
+this was the only ak, will look for others later
+--- 58073120
+>>58071566
+The most "tacticool" thing I could find was this abomination(Federal XC-900)
+--- 58073139
+>>58070010
+>the "mares leg" lever actions that companies sell today was a popular home defense rifle configuration people would run in that period. Modern mares leg guns are only not sold with full stocks due to the NFA.
+Is this a shitpost, or have tactitards actually started believing shit like this?
+--- 58073144
+>>58067412 (OP)
+Ngl kinda dig this historic period where just 1 buck meant something.
+--- 58073204
+>>58067449
+Rem No. 3 (24", octagon barrel)
+> that's the rifle I learned to shoot on
+> my great grandfather's rifle
+> handed down to my grandfather
+> handed down to my uncle (dad's brother)
+> his fucking shrew wife "gun buybacked" it
+Saw her a few months ago.
+Still haven't forgiven her.
+--- 58073296
+>>58073120
+>M1 carbine
+>$312
+I scream.
+--- 58073302
+>>58073204
+Holy shit. This is my greatest fear.
+--- 58073365
+>>58073302
+Yeah, caused quite the rift in the family.
+> Uncle (dad's brother) shrew wife "gun buybacks" family heirloom Rem 22LR rifle
+> My dad had words for uncle's wife
+> "WTF did you DO?!"
+> her reply was the expected, "if it saves one life"
+> "How much did you get? Wait, don't care. I'd have given you 20X, in CASH"
+> Dad drove from his house to uncle's house
+> came back with "unwanted" heirlooms, left a stack of Franklins on their table
+> Marlin 30-30 that grandfather used to put food on the table
+> revolver
+> slug gun
+> couple others
+That 30-30 kept the family fed. They were poor in rural NW Montana. (didn't have hot running water in the house until my dad was a sophomore in high school) My grandfather would take a deer each fall. And he'd use every part of it.
+But that fucking 22 was the rifle EVERYBODY in the family learned to shoot on.
+Pep, if you're reading, FUCK YOU!
+--- 58073417
+>>58067526
+>Interesting to note is that ammo was still sold both in blackpowder and smokeless varieties, and that handgun ammunition was primarily loaded with black powder outside of ammo for autoloaders.
+That is interesting. I've seen a lot of posters here insist that smokeless quickly overtook black powder on the consumer market, and this is a full 26 years after the first successful smokeless powder started seeing use.
+
+>>58073365
+Yeah anon, I'm sure your uncle's wife who would sell a single shot .22 that has been in your family since the early 1900s at a gun buyback while keeping all those other guns browses 4chan to read this.
+--- 58073437
+>>58073365
+>if it saves one life
+That makes no fucking sense, how do you save a life by getting rid of an old family gun? Even my mother knows that my grandfather's rusty revolver is something important to my dad and has it as a living room decoration.
+--- 58073457
+>>58073437
+Because it's shitty rage bait that anon made up.
+--- 58073559
+the jews took all this from you
+--- 58073565
+>>58069355
+Then you're kinda dumb. The average shotgun is 18.5 to 20 inches long In barrel length. That's what people have been using to defend themselves with up until the early 2000s when the shift moved over to tacticooling like a green beret in urban Iraq. Even today there's still a lot of people with shotguns for home defense. If we're talking innawoods people used their hunting rifle also as a means for self defense. But in those times people could generally leave their front doors unlocked without fear of serial killers and robbers. Different times.
+--- 58073602
+>>58073204
+Weak genetics and weak men. Imagine some Afghani wife selling her Taliban husband's heirloom gun to some Jews or Pakistanis lol. This is uniquely a western man's modern problems. Women are out of control and zero accountability.
+--- 58073664
+>>58068019
+when adjusted for income, that would be ~$250 today if you adjust for percentage of income. In 1912 the average person was making ~$660 a year.
+--- 58073667
+>>58073365
+>>58073602
+Samefag
+--- 58073669
+>order some toys for the kids
+>some lingerie for the wife
+>and an anti tank rifle for yourself
+>all out of the same catalogue
+
+WE NEED TO GO BACK, GAS THE DEMOCRATS, NFA REPEAL NOW!
+--- 58073674
+>>58073437
+Don't try to ascribe logic to the actions of anti-gunners. They do things strictly based on what they are told to do and how it makes them feel.
+>>58073457
+>nothing ever happens
+--- 58073689
+>>58073669
+Why? Despite most people hear saying that bans don't work, the NFA and GCA have done a lot to keep gun crime from being worse than it is.
+--- 58073706
+>>58073667
+Whatever you say troon
+--- 58073715
+>>58073689
+>implying it was worse before those laws were passed
+
+Gargle my semen you freedom hating waste of skin.
+--- 58073757
+>>58073689
+That's bullshit and you know it.
+--- 58073769
+>>58073689
+Nigger
+--- 58073804
+>>58073689
+They're putting a bandaid on the hemorrhaging and telling everyone that more bandaids will fix the problem. If everyone was allowed to own guns as they see fit, the racial divide in crime would be even bigger and people would be forced to accept certain realities about race and genetics and the world would be better place when policies would reflect reality. But as of now, due to 13% of the population (actually only 5% when you consider that it's the military age males commiting all the violent crime) the rest of the nation is suffering gun control. Even when some crazy cracker shoots up a school, it's only one or two retards in a nation of 400,000,000. 
+
+The rest have to lose their rights because of a few retards? And no one wants to even begin to look at the cause of these mass shootings UNLESS it's related to a political spectrum in a way that makes the other side look bad. And we saw how quickly the media dropped the news when it was a troon shooter killing Christian children, or the biggest mass shooter in history in Vegas being swept under the rug as well
+--- 58073831
+>>58073715
+You know that anime pic using faggot would gladly do that. You're rewarding him with that offer.
+--- 58073872
+>>58073689
+>gun crime
+Dis De Cauze Cuz.
+--- 58074123
+>>58070010
+>yeah, John Poortard from Wyoming is totally gonna splurge for useless hacked up winchesterlet instead of coping with 2$ Liege Bulldog facsimile and a full size 10GA double. 
+
+lol
+--- 58074174
+>>58072471
+>He didnt take (((Klein`s))) one time offer for 38$ Sniper Enfield
+
+meshugene goyim have only themselves to blame.
+--- 58074217
+>>58067449
+That Mauser Carbine got me actin up
+--- 58074269
+>>58074217
+Can you please repeat that, but in White people?
+--- 58074349
+>>58067598
+>$600 for a 1911
+Honestly not bad considering it was basically the equivalent of buying a M17 today.
+
+>>58067983
+the same thing was still possible 50 years later and you could even mail-order it to your house.
+something something the freedom you give up today will be the freedom your children will never know.
+--- 58074359
+>>58073804
+>Nooooo, nobody can do anything about a problem unless it's a pancea cure that solves everything instantly in one step
+Firearms restrictions and raising the qualifications of owership have been shown to work. Yes, it would take time to attrite the number of guns in circulation, but it would and has worked. You just don't like the concept because it conflicts with your personal desires. You can't however complain about the efficacy of it. It will take a lot of changes and time to bring down the violent crime rate. Focusing on skin color is just willful ignorance and ignores the forest for a single tree.
+
+>>58073715
+>1966 UT tower shooting: 17 dead, 31 injured
+There were plenty of school shootings. The amount of deaths just wasn't high because you're not going to be able to kill many people quickly with a break action shotgun. As semi-automatics with higher magazine capacities proliferated into the market (circa 1980s), the number of dead in each incident went up. Controllable, rapid fire is good at shooting multiple, non-static targets. That's a simple fact.
+--- 58074376
+>>58074269
+Can you repeat that, but without (insert cracker confederate south state here) accent?
+--- 58074397
+>>58074349
+>$600 for a 1911
+Have to adjust for people's incomes being much lower. $22 in 1916 would represent the same portion of income to an average worker as ~$1,800 would today.
+--- 58074399
+>>58067564
+>which guns that won't be around in 100 years
+I never really thought of that as a reality.
+--- 58074421
+>>58074359
+>semi autos got proliferated later
+You have no idea what youre talking about.
+In those same catalogues we see posted here you could get M2 carbines surplus from korea and WW2 for a steal.
+>high capacity
+>semi auto
+>soft shooting
+>lightweight
+--- 58074423
+>>58074359
+13/50 is constant across countries without guns, shit, rwandans killed a million hutus in 90 days with fuckin machetes
+--- 58074432
+>>58074397
+sure I just meant that buying a 1911 in 1916 is like buying top of the line gucci stuff today. and there was a war on.
+--- 58074457
+>>58074421
+oh and I forgot: 14 year-olds could mail-order them to their doorstep no questions asked.
+--- 58074497
+>>58074421
+They were a marginal percent of the market. It wasn't until the 80s and 90s that they entered the mainstream. It's why the machine gun registry is so small. In 1986, something like an MG was a niche thing for weirdos into an obscure hobby.
+--- 58074590
+>>58074497
+ooops bad typo, of course I meant the M1 not the M2/M3. since you know the NFA and all that. so machine guns dont really matter in this discussion.
+
+Self-loading rifles were neither weird nor stupidly expensive. People buy what they can afford. And especially if you're looking for something soft shooting and lightweight, crates upon crates of M1 surplus were probably your go to back then. You'd be the weirdo if you didn't buy one, simply because they were abundant and cheap.
+--- 58074656
+>>58073120
+That XC-900 is strangely aesthetic, in a shitty pipegun kind of way.
+I have no clue what the fuck is going on with those sights.
+--- 58074663
+>>58073689
+--- 58074692
+Just to expand on it further: the LAST batch of M1s to be surplused (about 240,000) of them got sold to NRA members for $20 a pop. Thats $200 today for a "last chance" at an M1.
+And everyone from Malcom X to Audie Murphy had one.
+--- 58074700
+>>58074590
+Semi-autos like ARs were in fact pretty rare and more expensive. As price went down and they became popular, the tools chaged.
+--- 58074726
+>>58074692
+>malcom x and audie murphy
+One person with a revolutionary ideology and credible death threats. Another person a veteran and extremely avid sport shooter.
+
+Not really a representative sample of the population friend.
+--- 58075452
+>>58070096
+Hand fitting was cheaper back then because that’s how all mid line and up guns were made back then. That’s how economies of scale work. And today hand fitting is a cottage industry.
+--- 58075536
+>>58070010
+The Mare’s leg is a fantasy gun developed for movies in the 1950s.
+--- 58075562
+>>58073437
+You are trying to ascribe logic to an ideology that relies on its adherents rejecting such thought.
+--- 58075788
+>>58074376
+>Ayo nigga wut you be sayin, like fuck you mean nomsayin
+That better, hun?
+--- 58075852
+>>58074376
+lol nigger
+--- 58076071
+>>58074700
+As you can see here >>58067449, you could buy a Winchester model 1907 in 1912 for the same price as you could an AR today. Did you even read the rest of this thread, or are you just here to bait?
+--- 58076267
+>>58075788
+>>58075852
+Crackers be mad
+>t. Pasty white Pole
+--- 58076279
+>>58076267
+You're the one ranting about big white poles. You gay bro?
+--- 58076305
+>>58076279
+The fuck are you inhaling, cause it sure as shit isn't oxygen
+--- 58076322
+>>58074359
+Go post your Loli Shit and Opinions on /b/ you Liberal Groomer Puke.
+--- 58076361
+>>58076267
+Post guns with time stamp
+--- 58076438
+>>58076361
+>Verification not required.
+--- 58076450
+>>58067458
+Why is the steven's tip-up pistol so expensive, comparatively?
+--- 58076504
+>>58076450
+The nickel plating maybe? They're also known for high accuracy
+--- 58076511
+>>58072469
+> Now adjust for average income.
+No adjust for price in pre 1965 90% silver coins 
+Ar-15, and budget level but moa bolt guns have come way down in price. Most nice stuff is way up especially surplus
+--- 58076550
+>>58069200
+>“”“NRA GOOD”””
+--- 58076597
+>>58072441
+Ah, the retro soiface
+--- 58077125
+>get back from work
+>50 new posts in the thread
+>they're mostly just retards arguing about gun laws as if doing so here will every be even remotely productive
+--- 58077221
+>>58077211
+--- 58077235
+>>58077221
+--- 58077250
+>>58077235
+--- 58077258
+>>58077250
+--- 58077287
+>>58077258
+--- 58077289
+>>58077258
+Lord have mercy I'm 'bout to bust
+--- 58077308
+>>58077287
+--- 58077326
+>>58077308
+--- 58077340
+>>58077326
+--- 58077353
+>>58077340
+--- 58077356
+>>58067983
+2 weeks?! Well ain't this place just a geographical oddity, 2 weeks from everywhere!!
+--- 58077362
+>>58077353
+--- 58077408
+>>58067412 (OP)
+> says $1 from back then equals $30.80 today for easy adjustment. 
+What a stupid metric. In 1913 the dollar was gold.
+$1 of US gold today has a melt value of $99.20.
+--- 58077501
+Lebeau duelling pistols set - 250 roubles.
+Savage pistol - 34 roubles in lux package, 28 roubles in common package.
+Broomhandle Mauser - 38 roubles for simple pack, 40 with stock, 45 lux, 48 lux with stock.
+Pocket M1910 Mauser - 22 roubles.
+Luger P08 - 43 roubles, Luger P06 - 38 roubles
+Artillery Luger - 58 lux, 52 common, 18 rouble discount for stockless package.
+
+Street sweapers earned 18 roubles, elementary school teachers earned 25, paramedic - 40 roubles, gymnasium teacher earned 85 roubles, army general earned around 325 roubles. Damn, having nice things never was easy.
+--- 58077563
+7mm german military type rifle, 200 roubles with a telecsopic sight.
+--- 58077576
+Not a gun, but still an old /k/ related ad
+--- 58077591
+Boer Mauser, 70 roubles, with dum-dums for 19 roubles.
+Pieper-Martini made in Tula, 29 roubles.
+--- 58077592
+>>58077576
+--- 58077611
+>>58077591
+What year?
+--- 58077637
+>>58077611
+Must be 1900s-1910s. After Revolution gun purchase was done only in person in shops, no cool catalogs.
+--- 58077674
+>>58077637
+I thought it must be pre revolution. I like that they are drawn, but then I guess most catalogues at that time were.
+--- 58077714
+>>58072441
+>>58076597
+lol
+--- 58077831
+>>58074432
+U.S didn't get involved until 1917
+--- 58078014
+>>58077353
+what year is this ??
+--- 58078124
+>>58077831
+
+Yeah but then we mopped the floor with those Krauts
+--- 58078138
+>>58072441
+No shit. I've owned a Remington 514 for over 20 years. Its been the first shot fired for dozens of shooters. Light, no kick, not black and scary.
+
+Single shot bolt action 22. Massive sight radius with a 24" barrel means you can never miss. I love that dumb little boys rifle.
+--- 58079088
+>>58067983
+Honestly sad. Though holy shit would I be (even more) poor if I could just order guns to my door. Even more if I could COD in cash.
+--- 58079134
+>>58077501
+>Street sweapers earned 18 roubles, elementary school teachers earned 25, paramedic - 40 roubles, gymnasium teacher earned 85 roubles, army general earned around 325 roubles.
+Is that roubles per year for how much they earn? Monthly?
+--- 58079625
+>>58077362
+>>58077353
+>>58077340
+>>58077326
+>>58077308
+>>58077258
+>>58077235
+>>58077221
+>>58077211
+I'm so mad i think im just gonna jack off. fuck this. . fuck being born post 86, goddamn do i hate gun prices.
+--- 58080220
+>>58079134
+Yup, monthly. Dom forget that they also had additional spendings, like rent, firewood, clothes repair, many companies used to charge workers with fines. And, of course, earliest gun control measures after 1905.
+--- 58080302
+>>58067726
+More or less. An actual Colt SAA will set you back more than that, but the vast number of clones would not.
+
+>>58068019
+I'd buy their entire stock. I love my trapdoor.
+--- 58080922
+>>58074359
+If we removed every black person from the US gun crime would drop to upper European levels even further down if we removed both blacks and hispanics
+--- 58080975
+>>58067983
+>2 weeks
+Sears took six weeks in the 1980s, so in 1912 it was probably 2 months.

k/58067583.txt

@@ -168,3 +168,504 @@ They got calls from India: Do Not Turn The Key Sirs!
 precisely to prevent it. someone has to be a good guy in a sea of evil
 --- 58070162
 Absolutely I turn my key. The best way to save my family is to destroy enemy nuke sites.
+--- 58071836
+>>58069316
+What a faggot
+--- 58071967
+>>58069234
+this is how they already do it retard
+--- 58072009
+>>58067583 (OP)
+I triggered it 35 minutes ago.
+--- 58072236
+>>58067583 (OP)
+I lost my key a couple off months ago sir, I didn't tell anyone so I wouldn't get in trouble.
+--- 58072266
+>>58070033
+The world needs more men like Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov.
+--- 58072275
+>>58067583 (OP)
+Yes sir. Early and often.
+--- 58072382
+>>58068179
+>>58068896
+>>58069019
+Calm the fuck down General Tao, we're not actually at defcon 1 yet. Why are you so pissed at randos on the internet?
+--- 58072520
+>>58067583 (OP)
+Already did when we started the shift, I've been waiting for you to stop being a bitch and turn yours. Now put your gun down before I fuck you with jt
+--- 58072541
+>>58068883
+Or Austin, fuck Austin
+>>58072266
+No, the world is actively made worse by the existence of men like him. Let's get this show on the road
+--- 58072601
+>>58068129
+Kek
+--- 58072741
+>>58072382
+Here's the thing. Even if it was a false order or whatever, it would mean only a few missiles would be launched, blowing up a few subhuman cities. There's a very high chance that they wouldn't retaliate because they'd understand that it wasn't intentional. If they do retaliate then we can *actually* wipe them off the map, they understand this. So most likely they'll just cry about muh reparations and we get to blow up a couple of their cities for free.
+So yeah, I'd turn the key without hesitation, and anyone who isn't a nigger jew subhuman communist traitor would too.
+--- 58072869
+>>58072741
+Mate they dont wait till kaboom, they go on confirmed launch detection.
+
+In 83 it was only cos petrov didnt trust his equipment that false launch detection didnt start ww3.
+--- 58072876
+Nah just fucking blast me.
+
+Go down as the man who saved humanity.
+
+Like that Russian submarine guy who didn't do it.
+--- 58072888
+>>58072876
+
+Better yet, resolve the situation peacefully.
+
+We have these systems to prevent global war.
+
+The mere threat of nuclear attack is political power.
+--- 58072917
+>>58072888
+Kill yourself leftist traitor, go back to r*ddit
+--- 58072949
+So many fucking liberal traitors ITT, and they have the gall to call us traitors
+>>58072869
+Vatnigger torpedo would've missed anyway. It takes a lot to hit and sink an American carrier, even with a nuclear warhead.
+--- 58072951
+>>58072917
+>comes to /k/
+>don't understand MAD
+>doesn't understand what a leftist is
+>tells others to go to plebbit
+I hope this is bait and you aren't really this stupid.
+--- 58072957
+>>58072917
+
+Okay Dr. Strangelove.
+
+This would destroy the USA.
+
+It would destroy human civilization itself
+
+That's not serving your country, that's not loyalty
+
+That's being a normal fucking human being
+
+You have no regard for the lives of innocents
+
+Or the lives of innocent Americans in the USA.
+
+Are the non-existent Soviet communists coming after your bodily fluids?
+--- 58072967
+>>58072949
+You're fucking crazy bro. I don't care for leftism, and I don't care for getting the USA destroyed in nuclear fire. You know there is a lot of space between those two positions.
+--- 58072980
+>>58072951
+You're the one who doesnt understand, or fails on purposes because you're a traitor. When your job is to launch nukes you must follow orders to the letter, communist kike
+--- 58072991
+>>58072957
+I traitors like you get your comeuppance. Western civilization is being destroyed by evil subhumans like you
+--- 58072997
+>>58072980
+So anyone that questions the actions of their government is a traitor, do you fully support Trump and Biden in everything they have done? I hope so, you wouldn't want to be a traitor.
+--- 58073003
+>>58072967
+Not when you're order to launch nukes in defense of your nation
+--- 58073024
+>>58072997
+Your at the controls of your nations strategic weapons. It's not about Trump or Biden anymore, it's about the survival of your nation and your people. You must follow orders unless youre a nigger kike subhuman. God I hope trash like you get sorted properly
+--- 58073047
+Fucking jewlywood movies ruined a generation of young men. On purpose I bet, in order to weaken our nation's strategic posture
+--- 58073069
+Fucking leftists call *us* traitors yet they'd drop the ball and abandon our nation in her most decisive moment
+--- 58073079
+>>58072967
+Your nuke isn't aimed at the USA, "bro"
+Fucking gas all zoomers
+--- 58073080
+>>58068173
+JERRY THE SILO DOORS ARE CLOSED!
+--- 58073081
+>>58072967
+You're a traitor to your nation and you should kys.
+--- 58073113
+From this thread, we can see that, turns out when push comes to shove, Western civilization still needs absolutely right wing nationalist Nazi men to defend her, just like how Azov's been defending Ukraine since 2014. Leftists are unreliable at best, traitors at worst.
+--- 58073160
+>>58067583 (OP)
+No. Solely out of spite. 
+Fucktard could have asked nicely but no he had to pull a gun on me.
+Fuck him, he can shoot me but then he won't be able to turn both keys.
+You know what? I'll try and rape him as a matter of principle.
+--- 58073244
+>>58073113
+Ironic that it's always men like this that get vilified and demonized by the subhumans in everyday society, yet whenever shit goes down they're called upon to defend that very society
+--- 58073267
+>>58073113
+>>58073244
+So I assume both of you strong nationalist men are enlisted and willing to prove it with a timestamp covering your name tape?
+--- 58073298
+>>58073267
+Kill yourself traitor
+--- 58073313
+Every fucking day I hate leftists more and more
+--- 58073325
+>>58073298
+Show nose faggot.
+--- 58073327
+>>58073298
+So you are so willing to defend your nation in online hyperthetical shitposting but actually making a sacrifice IRL is a bit much? What would the fuhrer say?
+--- 58073337
+jfc he's still going
+--- 58073439
+>>58072980
+>When your job is to launch nukes you must follow orders to the letter
+Oh but when your job is to shoot jews following it to the letter makes you a criminal?
+Just because you have orders doesn't mean you should follow them especially if you have a retarded fuckwit the likes of (you) as superior.
+--- 58073442
+>>58072869
+If they see just a couple of launches, not an all-out strike, they'd wait and see what happens.
+--- 58073476
+>>58073439
+>Oh but when your job is to shoot jews following it to the letter makes you a criminal?
+It doesn't? What the fuck? I'd shoot jews without orders.
+Fucking normies want us to be pro-war? Well, be careful what you wish for.
+--- 58073496
+>>58073327
+I'm fucking Canadian, and I grew up wanting to serve in the US military, but my parents stopped me. I am now past that time and regret it ever since.
+--- 58073504
+>>58073496
+>be patriot
+>want to serve in another nations military
+--- 58073507
+>>58073113
+This is absolutely correct. Disgusting to see so many fucking hollywood-brainwashed communist traitors call themselves my "countrymen". Fucking sickening.
+--- 58073522
+>>58073504
+I'm an American patriot because ever since I read Tom Clancy in my formative years, I became American at heart. You'd never understand because you're a nigger jew subhuman trash communist traitor.
+--- 58073524
+>>58073504
+Literally every US service member does this for Israel
+--- 58073564
+If you "support Ukraine" but can't even launch nukes in defense of your nation, then you're a subhuman normie at best, a jewish traitor at worst.
+--- 58073598
+>>58067583 (OP)
+Loyalty to humanity comes before loyalty to country. Anyone stupid and subhuman enough to participate in a nuclear exchange should not be proud of themselves and is exactly the reason we'll never meaningfully colonize other planets before wiping ourselves out
+--- 58073634
+>>58073564
+I support Ukraine because they are defending from an attacker, how exactly do you use ICBMs as a defensive weapon after MAD has failed?
+--- 58073660
+>>58073476
+>It doesn't?
+Except it did, that's the point.
+During the Nuremberg Trials most defendants argued that they followed superior orders which hat to be followed.
+Which wasn't considered a permissible defense and quite a few were executed for following their orders.
+As a consequence that means just having orders is insufficient and mindlessly following them can be punished.
+--- 58073732
+>>58073564
+I don't support slavs of any kind.
+How do I turn the key with the assurance that a few nukes land short, taking care of the poles and ukies?
+--- 58073813
+>>58073496
+>autist screeches about how we should just nuke everyone because they definitely won't fight back and if you disagree you're a traitor
+>it's not even an american, nor a human, but a fucking leaf
+--- 58073900
+>>58070018
+>>>/r/eddit
+go back
+--- 58073950
+>>58073900
+But that's from /tv/
+--- 58073962
+>>58070004
+Those keys are made of titanium for a reason.
+--- 58073965
+Lol, there is no proofs that electronic circuit has logic, that check turn keys in one moment, it's movies plot. You just need to shoot doubting traitor, stand and turn his key after your's.
+--- 58073986
+>>58073634
+>MAD has failed
+This means we have to sit here and take it instead of launching our nukes in response.
+What the fuck is with this cuckold logic? Someone explain to me. Is this from lack of testosterone? Brown skin? Hollywood leftist propaganda? Something else? Or is this guy fucking with me? Genuinely can't understand.
+
+>>58073660
+Nuremberg Trials are show trials by victors, who rightfully got their spoils. Are you seriously trying to convince me not to launch nuclear weapons when given the order to do so? What the fuck?
+--- 58073999
+>>58073660
+Kill yourself traitor cuck. I hope no one within your extended family isn't anywhere near our great nation's defense. You fucking subhumans ought to be hanged
+--- 58074009
+>>58067583 (OP)
+>ell? Would you turn the /k/ey?
+If I took the job I do the job otherwise I am a thief and a liar. I knew it was never my decision to make and I joined a military structure when I obey orders. There is careful selection for teh role and if I had expressed unease I would never have been in this position. I do my job, I choose my job. They key is turned. Mine is not to reason why mine is to turn the fucking key and die.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj9M34DzAKo [Embed]
+--- 58074015
+>>58073660
+Yeah if we lose the nuclear war and are judged by subhuman chinks and vatnigs, yes, launching would be considered a crime.
+We launch to prevent that outcome.
+--- 58074018
+>>58068576
+None of them work your chances are good.
+--- 58074036
+>>58072876
+The word hero is grossly overused but not for that officer. Besides, this is assuming the whole system works with those giant 70’s floppy discs.
+--- 58074049
+>>58074036
+They were replaced and modernised years ago
+--- 58074054
+>>58073986
+>This means we have to sit here and take it instead of launching our nukes in response
+Not what I said, I asked what does launching defend from?
+--- 58074059
+>>58072876
+Go suck off more vatnigs, traitor. Vatnigger torpedo can't sink American aircraft carriers, nuclear tipped or not.
+--- 58074068
+>>58074054
+From the subhumans inheriting the Earth.
+--- 58074076
+>>58067583 (OP)
+Nukes are old hat. The real question is when a gene-tailored virus starts killing off your country men are you willing to unleash your own gene-tailored viruses on your closest geopolitical rival's ethnic groups without any proof they actually did it? 
+
+Unlike nukes viruses can be engineered and released anonymously. Mutually Assured Destruction doesn't work well with the newer kind of doomsday weapons.
+--- 58074082
+>>58074036
+>the whole system works with those giant 70’s floppy discs.
+https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/nuclear-weapons-floppy-disks.html
+
+Oct. 24, 2019
+Update Complete: U.S. Nuclear Weapons No Longer Need Floppy Disks
+The Defense Department has transitioned away from a 1970s-era nuclear command and control system that relied on eight-inch floppy disks. The “modernizing” effort was quietly completed in June.
+--- 58074094
+>>58074082
+>>58074036
+>>58074049
+“The Air Force completed a replacement of the aging SACCS floppy drives with a highly secure solid-state digital storage solution in June,” Justin Oakes, a spokesman for the Eighth Air Force, said in an email. “This replacement effort exponentially increased message storage capacity and operator response times for critical nuclear command and control message receipt and processing.”
+--- 58074095
+>>58074076
+>The real question is when a gene-tailored virus starts killing off your country men are you willing to unleash your own gene-tailored viruses on your closest geopolitical rival's ethnic groups without any proof they actually did it?
+If I fucking voluntarily signed up for the military and for that job, absolutely.
+--- 58074097
+>>58067583 (OP)
+>why are you aiming a gun at me??
+>put that down and lets do this
+--- 58074105
+>>58073634
+Fucking normie r*dditor spotted. Go back.
+--- 58074112
+>>58067583 (OP)
+"TURN THE KEY, SIR!"
+"I thought you'd never ask :-)"
+--- 58074122
+>>58074095
+What if you find out that only continental Africans will survive the gene wars because nobody bothered tailoring viruses for them?
+--- 58074126
+>>58072741
+>There's a very high chance that they wouldn't retaliate because they'd understand that it wasn't intentional
+lol
+lmao, even
+--- 58074133
+>>58074095
+That's it. You accepted the job were given endless time to think about it or withdraw and you took the job. The job is to turn the fucking key. If you are striking the enemies nuclear arsenal you promptly turning the key as ordered may save the lives of some of your fellow soldiers, citizens or family members. The key is turned.
+>>58073660
+The people turning they key don't know what the target code is targeting. As far as they are concerned it is a military facility like an enemy missile silo in siberia. No war crime.
+>>58073962
+--- 58074137
+>>58073442
+No, standing SOP is to assume that a few initial strikes are aimed at your radar so you won't see the massive wave of missiles coming next.
+
+Have you ever read anything at all about this subject, or are you just talking out your ass?
+--- 58074141
+The fucking left side of this spectrum are showing their true face ITT
+
+>>58074122
+If I had fucking joined the military and got to the position by choice, it must mean I support what they're doing, which must mean niggers would not be spared. Doubting them would be doubting myself. I'd follow my orders and live or die with my conviction.
+--- 58074147
+>>58067583 (OP)
+Huh? It's already been turned, it taped it I to the on position when I got here and took a nap, I trust the other guy not to fuck it up
+--- 58074148
+>>58074105
+NTA but It is you who needs to leave. Total Zigger Death
+--- 58074152
+>>58074148
+Yeah, total zigger death, but many leftist traitors ITT don't seem to want that.
+--- 58074170
+>>58074152
+Left and Right wing extremist quislings should be interned or executed if they disseminate enemy propaganda in time of war or undertake coup attempts incited by enemy propaganda whether marxist or populists. The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of traitors.
+--- 58074175
+scene is completely unhinged from reality
+
+Nuke silo and sub teams are constantly drilled on launching. They'll get an order and have to go through the motions of a full launch, only they won't be given valid launch codes. Theory is that they'll be used to going through the motions and won't know if it's a real launch until they've already "pushed the button". Realistically in this situation the airman or sailor who refused the order would be immediately removed and probably chaptered out
+--- 58074214
+>>58074152
+I think the right-wingers willing to participate in a nuclear exchange are the traitors. If that happens your country and your people will no longer exist, and perhaps not even humanity. I'm sure you'll feel like a real good boy burning in hell while the irradiated survivors are lynching any uniform-wearing idiot they find for ruining the world because some dipshit insane politician told them to and they forgot they had free will.
+--- 58074262
+>>58074214
+My people and nation would have a better chance of existing if I turn the key. And how fucking poetic that the leftoid's version of justice is a post-apocalyptic subhuman lynch mob probably filled with niggers and jews. Kill yourself traitor.
+--- 58074323
+>>58074262
+There've been false positive missile detections before and we're all lucky enough to be alive only because some operators were sane enough not to follow orders that didn't make sense. Why roll the dice?
+--- 58074325
+Retards like >>58074214 that watched too many movies and now believe Earth will end after a nuclear exchange. This fear mongering only makes us vulnerable to nuclear blackmail by shitholes like russia and only benefits them. Hence why they're traitors.
+--- 58074337
+>>58074323
+Do you really not understand how "assuming an enemy launch is just an oopsie" IS rolling the dice?
+--- 58074345
+>>58074323
+This is completely false. Operators always turn the key. They're constantly drilled to do so, and they can't tell whether it's an exercise or the real thing. Once the real thing comes, they'll just think it's another exercise.
+Those traitors who don't do it get washed out (and hopefully court martialed)
+--- 58074351
+>>58074323
+There's never been false positive missile detections that led to an order to launch our nukes. Never. How old are you?
+--- 58074356
+>>58074323
+those were people that chose to report radio contacts or not, not people with actual launch authority. Completely different
+--- 58074370
+>>58074323
+You must be 18 to post on this board. In this sea of leftist garbage somehow your post comes out as the stupidest one, just from the naivete
+--- 58074420
+>>58068346
+>well I was going to but now you've been rude and pointed a gun at me
+this
+mean people can fuck off
+--- 58074504
+>>58074325
+There is nothing to fear except victory and the elimination of anyone who would threaten civilisation, democracy and the free nations.
+--- 58074521
+>>58074323
+They were not key turners they were those monitoring radar and making decision of whether they were seeing incoming ICBMs. Specifically a soviet trooper in east Germany who wisely decided Russian equipment could not be trusted (during able archer)
+--- 58074537
+>>58069234
+
+Contrary to what's portrayed in movies, they've found that launch crews will fire their missiles the vast majority of the time due to the selection process weeding out those likely to hesitate. There's still nonetheless a redunancy called "launch polling" where you have multiple crews for a single missile. Even if one or two pussies out, so long as the majority of the rest "vote" to launch, the missile flies.
+--- 58074549
+>>58067583 (OP)
+I'd break out the Letter of Last Resort held onboard every nuclear deterrent sub. They are written by the Prime Minister (chillingly in itself) and contain instructions for what to do. Nobody has ever seen one because they are destroyed unopened but speculation is generally they confirm the instruction to launch and head either to Canada or the United States.
+--- 58074576
+>>58074420
+>>well I was going to but now you've been rude and pointed a gun at me
+This is the most zoomer thing I have ever read
+>fr no cap
+--- 58074593
+>>58074549
+>I'd break out the Letter of Last Resort held onboard every nuclear deterrent sub.
+You don't get too, only the captain gets to read it
+--- 58074606
+>>58074576
+im 38
+you just dont tell me what to do
+you ask, im a people pleaser so ill do it, but if you tell you have fucked up
+--- 58074609
+>>58074549
+>London nuked
+>be captain of one of the four Vanguard-class submarines
+>open Letter of Last Resort
+>"Oh Bloody Hell, this dumb cunt wrote it all in Hindi!"
+
+What do you do /k/?
+--- 58074680
+>>58074133
+Can't we just replace them with like an arduino board or something?
+--- 58074708
+>>58067583 (OP)
+>being asked to play a key part in the total annihilation of Russia
+
+I turned my key long before this limp-dicked faggot even fished his out of his pocket.
+--- 58074712
+>>58067583 (OP)
+I always leave my key turned. I trust the other guy to do the right thing.
+--- 58074743
+>>58074105
+>normies
+spotted the rdditnigger pretending to not be a crypto-normalfag
+however since you are such an obnoxious belligerent retarded nigger, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually a falseflagging tranny raiding from some trannycord shithole
+--- 58074757
+NOOKS are fucking over-hyped, I bet most of the stockpiles don't even work.
+USE IT, OR LOSE IT, FAGGOTS!
+--- 58074760
+>>58074712
+Yeah gotta warm it up in the morning in case there's haps.
+--- 58074771
+>>58074141
+What, no Cucker?
+--- 58075993
+>>58067583 (OP)
+>"I'm trying, sir, but I keep failing the captcha!"
+--- 58077264
+>>58070102
+I'd torture your ass. Traitor.
+--- 58077312
+>>58067996
+But what's the idea of personell anyway? Videos seem like they're more of a maintenance and communications crew that just make sure the missile works and launches properly. Not a higher level authority that does sanity and double checking. Seems like they were put there to do the things computers couldnt ( e.g. failover to different comms methods, launch after hit etc ). Procedure seems to include redundant steps and is intensively timed so they can only mechanically execute the tasks with no place for decision making.
+--- 58077350
+>>58067619
+Also, the enemy will probably launch a missile at your position anyway.
+--- 58077411
+>>58067583 (OP)
+>Well? Would you turn the /k/ey?
+Only if I was nuking okraina.
+--- 58077417
+>>58072741
+I think you're forgetting how many times in the cold war there were false positivies and the only reason civilization didn't end was because someone went "yeah...that sounds like bullshit, I'm calling in to see if anyone else is getting the same signal we are". It wasn't just that one dude in East Germany, there was also a sub flotilla in I think the 60s that the only reason it didn't launch a nuke at the US was because a higher-ranking officer was on the ship with the nuke and refused to give the order to attack when they were being hit with depth charges (the US didn't know it was a sub with nukes)
+--- 58077499
+>>58077312
+Personnel are instructed that they can only launch the nukes under the orders of the Secretary of Defense who himself is specifically acting under the President's order. The only exception is Washington is already nuked and the Joint Chiefs of Staff are all dead.
+Similarly, in the Soviet Union a nuclear strike required approval of the high command of the Politburo
+--- 58077514
+>>58072741
+There is no such thing as nuking "only a few cities." Common wisdom was that any nuclear strike would result in an overwhelming response intent on completely crushing the aggressor rather than tit-for-tat strikes, and that it would be seen as suicidal and insane for either the US or USSR to target only one or a few cities in a nuclear strike by the late '70s-'80s. It was the entire reason so many times people wouldn't launch without further confirmation because why would the enemy have not launched enough to destroy you?
+--- 58077552
+>>58069019
+Don't worry, we planned for that.
+--- 58077567
+>>58074549
+>canada or the united states 
+the letters says : 
+" oy m8 nuke new york , los angeles , use all remaining in israel , glass those wankers son , they did it "
+--- 58077575
+>>58068004
+Come to think of it, if they shoot you, they can't launch the missile. The fate of the entire world is in your hands in that moment. Do you destroy humanity or do you save it? The nazis were "just following orders" but you gotta look tough to the other countries like you are really gonna fucking do it even pre-emptively. That's the policy.
+--- 58077614
+>>58074076
+The problem is viruses are kinda indiscriminate in who they target so it doesn't work very well as a weapon. Even going on the assumption that everything about the covid lableak was true, China got hit with it harder than anyone so it's kind of a shit form of offense.
+--- 58077644
+>>58074549
+>Nobody has ever seen one because they are destroyed unopened
+Anyone have what someone wrote up as Boris's supposed letter?
+--- 58077663
+>>58077575
+>Come to think of it, if they shoot you, they can't launch the missile.
+Come on, you just gotta stretch your arms REAL far and you can reach both key slots
+--- 58077862
+>>58068001
+Except it won't be.
+Everyone forgets there is literally no (logical and tactical) reason to nuke thirdies in Africa, so it would be nonsensical for any power to aim nukes at it in the first place, let alone actually fire them.
+I'm actually convinced the whole reason the 'nuclear winter' horseshit got thought up by the likes of pic related (or a colleague) because some postgrad or something pointed out the colonialist assumption inherent to believing only the developed world matters and the hippie fuck thought 'of yeah? I bet it WOULD...' and started them cooking the numbers
+>lol but ok seriously who cares about some niggers
+They'd have a far more advanced civilization than the craters in Moscow and New York.
+(also we definitely could 'win ' a nuclear exchange, even with everyone with nukes vs the US. Even nonsense scenarios where NATO has turned against the US. It would not be pretty, but we'd survive.)
+--- 58078224
+>>58067583 (OP)
+To nuke israel? Shit im waiting on you faggot
+--- 58078335
+>>58067881
+One of the better examples in modern times of a villain you can completely agree with
+> perks
+> > avert nuclear war
+> > many degenerate major cities obliterated
+> > unite the nations of the planet to a single cause
+> cons
+> > 10 million city dwellers incinerated
+Literally a win-win scenario
+--- 58078362
+>>58067583 (OP)
+What movie is this from again?
+--- 58078415
+>>58074049
+>>58074082
+Now they just need to keep the door locked so the pizza guy can’t wander in.
+
+>>58074094
+They upgraded to 3.5” floppies
+--- 58081939
+>>58069263
+>>boomer chokes at turning the key
+>>Gen X'er tries to do his job
+They are both baby boomers, you fucking retard.

k/58067584.txt

@@ -94,3 +94,227 @@ The only derringer that makes sense was the old Hi-Standard in 22lr or 22 magnum
 >>58067584 (OP)
 >Are deringers a meme?
 Shoot yourself in the face with one. Write back and let us know how that goes. Post pics & vid, even.
+--- 58071006
+>>58070051
+it makes sense prior to the invention of semi auto. Now you stack 7 of those on demand in the same compact dimensions.
+--- 58071040
+>>58070051
+Ever since /v/ and /pol/ decided to set up shop on this board maybe 1 in 100 posts are actually intended to be about weapons. OP didn't make this thread to actually post about guns, they just wanted a 500 reply thread seething about trannies.
+--- 58071175
+>>58068350
+lmao that scene is from an actual movie?
+i saw it in south park when spielberg fucked poor indiana jones.
+
+hilarious scene.
+--- 58071185
+>>58068581
+>>58068813
+>>58069004
+isnt he the dude that pisses liberals and trannies off by asking simple questions?
+--- 58071823
+>>58071175
+Deliverance. Squeal like a pig boy. I would again like to reiterate that OP's image is a most delectable slam pig and I would be absolutely delighted to introduce her to carnal arts beyond her wildest imaginings.
+--- 58071868
+>>58067584 (OP)
+Sauce
+--- 58072476
+>>58071185
+he's the dude that abused his wife
+--- 58072513
+>>58072476
+Oh the horrors of being asked to walk the dog before a surgery
+--- 58072523
+>>58071185
+Not liberals, they're leftoids
+
+>>58072476
+Non-physical abuse, but yeah— he's a functional sociopath/narcissist, right-wing Ryan Reynolds
+--- 58072528
+>>58070051
+A durringur is ideal for keeping two rounds of .44 mag ready to go in your boots or under a summer shirt, you'd be stupid not to. It doesn't print and stops any threat just fine.
+--- 58072533
+>>58067584 (OP)
+That's Philipp Seymour Hoffman in a wig
+--- 58072538
+Is big horn armory sitting on a few pallets of these or some shit? Second thread tonight.
+--- 58072542
+>>58071185
+He's also the "I used to be possessed by the bisexual demon, but totally not anymore guys" dude who's crew recently came out with stories of him constantly rubbing his bare nuts on other guys "as a joke".
+--- 58072565
+>>58072513
+more like being a controlling multi millionaire that only has one car to ensure his wife can't leave. also it wasn't walking the dog, she was 8 months pregnant and he forced her to put medication on the dog that was toxic to pregnant women
+--- 58072579
+>>58071185
+What a natural question that you're legitimately asking.
+--- 58074761
+>>58072523
+>Not liberals, they're leftoids
+Only noguns quibble over the specific label we use to describe the faggoids.
+--- 58074799
+>>58071185
+>>58069004
+>>58068581
+He sure likes exposing his flabby ass to everyone. Sad!
+No wonder his wife left
+--- 58075046
+>>58072565
+>to ensure his wife cant leave
+>like she did leave
+>when he was caught with a divorce lawyer
+>mystery medecine that to this day no one has actually said what it is
+>only evidence of abuse is "watch it", and "i dont love you"
+
+crowder is cringe but if you cant decipher a basic hit piece like this you dont deserve enfranchisement, litteral goybrain
+--- 58075085
+>>58075046
+Nta but >>58074799
+lol
+--- 58075214
+>>58075046
+you're delusional if you think only having one car that is outright yours and your wife needs permission to use it while being a multi millionaire isn't psychopathic, controlling behavior.
+>also 8 months pregnant
+she is borderline disabled at this point. there's a lot a man should let his wife get away with being so close to term.
+--- 58075217
+>>58075085
+is there any relevance to my post im missing or did you just want to (you) me?
+--- 58075221
+>>58075217
+retard
+--- 58075229
+>>58075214
+>borderline disabled
+yet she wanted to drive to a grocery store and go shopping? do you see how at every level it just doesnt make any fucking sense, please for god sake i dont care what this homo says or does but can you just use your brain for a second?
+--- 58075234
+>>58075217
+The guy is a fat drunk sex offender who runs around his office naked and screaming
+--- 58075235
+>>58075214
+>waaaaaaah it's psychopathic, controlling behavior
+Why didn't she just leave then? Kill yourself, simp
+--- 58075240
+>>58075229
+disabled people can go shopping you fucking retard
+--- 58075275
+>>58075240
+so what is it? is she completely incapable of doing anything or is she not.
+
+why dont i actually just say what i think happened and you can go to town on me if you think im wrong:
+
+crowder seems like a weird cunt, he probably argued with his wife. they got a divorce. thats it, trying to read anymore into it is fucking stupid. no proof has been shown so far of anything abusive, (she already said it was never physical, so the only argument is it was emotional abuse, which still there is no evidence for)
+--- 58075287
+>>58075234
+its curious all the non-anonymous sources are all daily wire employees kek. really makes you thing haha
+--- 58075300
+>>58075046
+YOU HAVE TO LET YOUR WIFE DO WHATEVER THE HELL SHE WANTS AT ALL TIMES OR YOURE ABUSING HER!!!
+--- 58075329
+>>58075275
+>so what is it? is she completely incapable of doing anything or is she not.
+she is 8 months pregnant. if you've ever been around a pregnant woman, let alone the wife of your fucking children, you just let them be. you don't try to manipulate her emotions for taking the one car you share to go to the grocery store because you "can't go to the gym or see your friends". you don't tell your pregnant wife you don't love her because she doesn't want to put medicine on a dog, especially if she has concerns about toxicity of the medication. 
+
+>why dont i actually just say what i think happened and you can go to town on me if you think im wrong:
+you're right for the most part but you're missing that he used his show to shit on his wife over the divorce. this is one of the only time the term "power imbalance" can be used to really describe a bad marital dynamic. this is also a man that parades himself as a paragon of trad culture while pulling this bullshit
+--- 58075354
+>>58075329
+>noooooo you're not allowed to say you don't like the bitch divorcing you
+--- 58075362
+>>58075354
+you really shouldn't act like you're the saving grace of trad culture and then do that when you brought it on yourself, no.
+--- 58075367
+>>58075287
+Gangland warfare between the mentally “other abled”
+--- 58075382
+>>58075362
+>you really shouldn't act like you're the saving grace of trad culture
+I don't even know who this dude is, I just think it's funny that SJWs like you say you're not allowed to have your own opinion if your wife disagrees
+--- 58075383
+>>58075329
+>you just let them be
+maybe this is an uncomfortable truth but pregnant women being incoherent is pretty well understood and it doesn't just effect the woman, it bleeds into the man dealing with her. all the rest about car journeys and toxic dog medicine is just fluff, the "i dont love you" is bad, but what else can i say lmao, its not cool, but its not abusive, things like that happen with two highly stressed out people
+
+>he used his show to shit on his wife over the divorce
+this was inevitable given crowders trade, he had to say that she wanted it because divorce is a big no-no to tradcucks. as far as im aware he only started using his platform after her lawyers started leaking things to the press. im eagerly awaiting the crowder pushback since this is ramping up to be a nice depp-heard tier car crash
+--- 58075403
+>>58075383
+agree to disagree I suppose. there is no situation that I would ever treat my wife like he did his, especially if she's working on giving me another child.
+--- 58075440
+>>58075403
+id assume you're a young guy, I am too. but having been in some pretty emotional fights you really lose the urge to play nice and cuck out to someone else's whims, especially if someone is playing the "I'm so abused woe is me card". maybe that will change if i get a girl pregnant but i doubt it, im just not gonna pretend that you can always be emotionally detached and cool headed
+
+it could be ive dealt with a girl with bpd and its effecting my thinking though
+--- 58075556
+>>58075440
+>you really lose the urge to play nice and cuck out to someone else's whims
+you gain nothing by fighting with women, ever. look past to every fight you've ever had with a woman and try to think about a positive that came from it. the older you get, the more you'll realize this. you're not cucking out to someone else's whims, you're choosing not to engage a zero sum game. when you have legitimate grievance with a woman, you should lay it out as blunt as you can and give her the expected consequence for not listening. an example would be "if you go to Michigan without me for a week to visit a group of friends I've never met, you're not going to have a place to come home to." 
+
+>it could be ive dealt with a girl with bpd and its effecting my thinking though
+
+I will concede that I am exceptionally cool headed but it has stemmed from a lifetime of mentally ill women doing their god damn best to ruin me emotionally. I went inpatient when I was 26 because I let a girl with BPD into my life but I'm better off for it in the long run lmao
+--- 58075649
+>>58075556
+>you gain nothing by fighting with women, ever. look past to every fight you've ever had with a woman and try to think about a positive that came from it. the older you get, the more you'll realize this. you're not cucking out to someone else's whims, you're choosing not to engage a zero sum game.
+jesus fucking christ anon this may be the most profound statement I've seen on this site.
+--- 58075705
+>>58075214
+You are the one that is delusional if you would let your 8 months pregnant wife drive at all you retard.
+>psycopathic, controlling behaviour
+Back to plebbit.
+--- 58075736
+>>58075649
+profoundly retarded maybe
+--- 58075908
+Pretty much. A compact pistol can get you much more capacity and non-meme calibers without that much more size.
+
+On the budget side, a Tarus GC3 gets you 13 rounds of 9mm for just a bit over six inches by 5 inches, of shave off an inch of height and get it down to 18.5 ounces with the GX4. I think some are even a bit smaller. That gets you ok capacity with 9mm, which is a fine round.
+
+If you need anything smaller you need to consider if you're being a retard who is bringing a gun somewhere they shouldn't be lol.
+
+But, if there is a need, Keltec (yeah, I know) has a 5" by 3.5" 7 round .32 APC.
+
+That is probably too small but go smaller and the handling will be dog shit, the gun will be terrible at even close distances, hard to practice with and maintain, and have shit stopping power. When you reach a point where you have to be close and aren't inflicting big wounds (some of these calibers have bounced off people's skulls at close range without pen, a famous serial killer took one round of .22 to the head without pen before the second one got him, Dean Croll). You are better off with a knife or baton at that point, which can be concealed easier even if they are longer. Pepper spray too.
+
+They don't even work as a deterrent because people with think they are fake.
+
+Most situations, and all home defense situations where I know the layout and have barriers I can control, I would take a hammer, hatchet, etc. over one of these stupid things, and in many even a smaller knife might do better.
+--- 58075944
+>>58075908
+>bringing a gun somewhere they shouldn't be
+No such place exists. You should bring a gun anywhere you're physically able. If you can find a way to best the sensors you should do it and bring that shit on planes.
+--- 58077397
+>>58075275
+Mate, if you're a multi-millionaire and you don't own more than 1 vehicle so your wife cannot leave without your knowledge, you are a controlling faggot.
+
+If you tell your wife your love for her is conditional and based entirely around walking the dog and cleaning the house, you are a controlling faggot and a sociopath.
+
+If you spend all your time on the internet pretending you're a man's man while being a controlling abusive psycho, you might be a controlling faggot.
+
+Imagine unironically sticking up for a literal fucking fraud of a human being like Crowder.
+--- 58078060
+>>58071185
+he's why you will all lose your gun rights
+--- 58078110
+>>58071823
+The guy doing the buttfucking is a pretty chill and cool dude.
+https://youtu.be/qlOt4IyRdg8 [Embed]
+--- 58078671
+>>58075908
+>Keltec (yeah, I know) has a 5" by 3.5" 7 round .32 APC
+The P3-AT is only a cunt hair bigger than the P32.
+--- 58078793
+>>58075235
+she did leave lol Crowders on Twitter QQing about how it should be illegal for women to leave their man like the little bitch he is
+--- 58078895
+>>58075235
+Oh boy, you used the word simp, you won.
+--- 58079299
+>>58074799
+>source: fake news
+Ok retard
+--- 58079386
+>>58067584 (OP)
+Post her bussy.
+--- 58079389
+>>58067584 (OP)
+would
+>>58079386
+This.

k/58068037.txt

@@ -11,8 +11,6 @@ Because one is made by Americans and the other is made by vodka inhabiting an al
 --- 58068081
 >>58068037 (OP)
 so is this three fuel depot explosions in as many days? I am losing track of which is which
---- 58068090
-/k/ope, piggers and enjoy your chadsneed strikes)))))))))))))))))
 --- 58068102
 >>58068090
 That's in Russia, petukhi
@@ -306,3 +304,445 @@ No, he clearly loves it
 --- 58070795
 that's a ukrainian krasnodar
 mmmmm roasted piggies))))
+--- 58071136
+>>58068631
+You do understand that the more precise version of GPS is encrypted and the Russians do not have access to it?
+--- 58071168
+>>58068195
+They're doing a bad job there too
+--- 58071179
+>>58068037 (OP)
+If they injured my boy I'll become a full blown vatnik
+--- 58071559
+>>58069171
+I hope so because it would finally let me finish this throbbing boner I've had for eight months
+--- 58071593
+>>58069107
+they're a weak spot when you're russia
+--- 58071594
+>>58070576
+THERE ARE NO INNOCENTS
+THERE IS NO PEACE
+ONLY BANAN
+AND THE LAUGHTER OF GIANT CATS
+--- 58071622
+>>58068303
+It's already started
+--- 58071633
+>>58068281
+>American doesn't provide weapons to hit Russian clay and it would seriously undermine Ukraine's hopes for certain weapon systems if they were ever caught using American weapons that way.
+I hear that a lot, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. Is this new russian agenda or what?
+--- 58071645
+>>58068037 (OP)
+--- 58071646
+>>58068232
+Yes. Most of the Soviet's scientific achievements were developed off the back of Ukrainians or Germans. Russia purged everyone with a brain multiple times, and could do nothing but steal or coerce to remain competitive with the west.
+
+Russia is fighting one of the few counties that made the Soviet Union worth anything at all.
+--- 58071652
+>>58068061
+>Why can't Russian Shaheeds hit shit
+There's nothing left to hit in Kiev govt controlled territories.
+--- 58071658
+>>58071136
+take pills schizo
+--- 58071663
+>>58071658
+He's right though. The commercial version of GPS is different to the full thing
+--- 58071723
+>>58071663
+he's not
+--- 58071765
+>>58071745
+>globohomo
+Haven't heard that in a while, why russians forgot about it?
+--- 58071769
+>>58071723
+Yes he is you fucking retard
+--- 58071783
+>>58071745
+The only homos I'm seeing here is you russkies. But projecting has always been your strong suit, I suppose.
+--- 58071792
+>>58071745
+--- 58071806
+>>58068037 (OP)
+The eyebrow is being dusted off right as we speak
+
+The world shall tremble at pozzner's might
+--- 58071815
+>>58071797
+Who says that? Your cum/chug/ tranny groomer friends over at lefty/pol/?
+--- 58071845
+>>58071815
+You can tell how only retarded threads like this one thrive here while anything even remotely technical gets 5 posts and flames out.
+It's little better during US daytime when east euros are asleep but not much.
+--- 58071861
+>>58071783
+global hegemony, like in democratic party doctrine anon, not the gay sex stuff.
+--- 58071866
+>>58071797
+You are wrong
+--- 58071867
+>>58071745
+>globohomo
+gulaghomo
+--- 58071876
+>>58071861
+Are you ABSOLUTELY sure these /pol/tards haven't long since combined that with some homo agenda in their mind?
+--- 58071887
+>>58071797
+You are literally retarded
+https://gssc.esa.int/navipedia/index.php/GPS_Performances
+--- 58071890
+>>58071815
+Could be, when slat armor on Ukrainian vehicles is shown to /chug/gers they believe it's modifications to Russian cope cages but done wrong
+--- 58071898
+>>58071887
+Anon he's just going to double down on his retardation
+--- 58071908
+>>58071866
+No I'm not and even if US govt decides to degrade gps again it would be irrelevant these days since you can just use non-globohomo constellations.
+--- 58071922
+>>58071908
+>non-globohomo constellations
+
+GLONAS and the shitty chink version is shit man. Enjoy your accuracy down to 150m, we'll be at the 150cm range
+--- 58071984
+>>58071922
+I can completely block use of GPS on my Huawei phone and still have same accuracy since there are three other gnss constellations orbiting the earth.
+I feel like inability to turn off gps on western phones is there just so US can make them less precise if they decided so and probably why Huawei has option to turn that trojan horse completely off.
+--- 58072038
+>>58071984
+>comparing phones with military equipment
+
+Ngmi
+--- 58072045
+>>58071984
+>Huawei has option to turn trojan horse completely off
+Suuuure.
+Also checked quads ;^)
+--- 58072051
+>>58071887
+>>58071898
+>military positioning - Precise Positioning Service (PPS) Performances
+>Global Accuracy < 36 m 
+Doesn't that sound strange to you two geniuses when your shitty phone has ~3m accuracy?
+Thing is there are no separate military and civilian signals since the late 90s so you're kinda right just 30 years late.
+--- 58072121
+>>58072106
+>globohomo
+
+There's that word again
+--- 58072193
+>>58071984
+Huawei probably has some other creepy way to monitor you for the Chinese government.
+--- 58072228
+>>58071745
+Globohomo >>>> BRICS. Sneed.
+--- 58072245
+>>58068080
+You can't even imagine what shit we use to make those drones. It would be interesting to use US manufacturing power to make kamikaze UAVs for that kind of purpose. But no, everything is made from pure chinesium.
+--- 58072281
+>>58068303
+How many refineries do they have?
+--- 58072313
+>>58071136
+They could probably try to use Galileo, the high-precision version is open for commercial use. Although they probably block Russian users or users in warzones anyway.
+--- 58072319
+>>58072281
+See
+>>58068210
+--- 58072423
+>>58069279
+It's actually even worse than that.
+Let's say that the absolute worst is true and Ukraine is taking unsustainable 7:1 casualties, and is eventually forced to sue for piece and Russia gobbles up a bunch of Ukraine's eastern coast.
+This is not over.
+It will NEVER be over.
+If Putin thinks that after this is done, that Ukraine will become a neutral nation the way Austria and Finland were after WW2, then he is fucking delusional.
+They might go "neutral" (on paper) but the second a war between Russia and NATO breaks out, Ukraine WILL allow NATO to move through their borders and will seek to return to their Budapest Memoranda period territories.
+Should Putin seek to occupy all of Ukraine, not only will he have literally put NATO on even more of his borders but he will be dealing with endless drone attacks.
+This isn't the Cold War; the CIA isn't so shy that they won't funnel a steady supply quadcopters and surplus M26A2 handgrenades into Russian territory.
+They'll probably organize the terror cells themselves.
+The smartest move by Putin would be to sue for peace, try to gobble up a sliver of land for that Crimea land bridge he invaded to get, declare to his people that they have attained their strategic objective and end this before he gets defenistrated.
+--- 58072440
+>>58071792
+Be the America that Chinese propaganda says you are.
+--- 58072449
+>>58069171
+IMO they'd better start on the 8th to make Victory Day already a bit bitter.
+--- 58072462
+>>58072449
+while ru aa and majority of t90m-s are busy in Moscow being lined up for the parade
+--- 58072466
+>>58072106
+My L.T got lost while holding this at Ft. Polk, along with a map and a compass just in case he was confused.
+We went on what can only be described as some sort of recreation the Bataan Death March through the swamps of Louisiana.
+The local guy who was part of the training group attached to us started laughing because we weren't even in the training area anymore.
+It was a disued impact zone.
+I tried jumping up and down on an ancient looking HE round, but alas, St. Barbara said "Not today, Anon."
+--- 58072473
+>>58068223
+Is there anything that just stops a guy from dressing up as a civilian, making or receiving a drone bomb kit and doing it from right next to the refinery?
+--- 58072482
+>>58072473
+The FSB.
+--- 58072484
+>>58070655
+What happened to her tattoo?
+--- 58072493
+>>58072423
+>The smartest move by Putin would be to sue for peace
+He has imperiled Crimea - the real 'existential' ground - and now Murmansk and related ICBM and sub tender facilities with Finland accession to NATO. The only reason why he's not taking a dirt nap is the loss of face and internal disruption removing him would precipitate (or it is not really his decision at all, but shadow elements of the old Party structure) -- it may well be that this is a Central Committee show now and Putin(s) we're seeing are just body double placeholders.
+--- 58072514
+>more UkroShaheds spotted over Russia
+>he doubted the plan
+
+5000 yellow and blue lawnmowers of Bandera will blot out the sky.
+--- 58072544
+>>58072514
+--- 58072552
+>>58068037 (OP)
+Is puccia just falseflagging attacks on its own refineries?
+
+Points for:
+- refineries are breaking down without western parts & maintenance contracts -> this hides the evidence of that
+- they can't sell the oil -> excess has to be burnt off -> using it for war propaganda is better
+
+Points against:
+- Krasnodar supplies Crimea, making this an excellent target for Ukraine
+--- 58072557
+>>58072484
+that's what I was wondering
+--- 58072596
+>>58069171
+If the conditions are right that day, then they will, otherwise I think Ukraine have been disciplined about not letting meme dates determine when to begin operations.
+--- 58072610
+>>58072493
+>It may well be that this is a Central Committee show now and Putin(s) we're seeing are just body double placeholders.
+I think this is the case for every national government.
+All presidents, premeirs, prime ministers and chancellor are all just place holders.
+Everything is run by faceless, soulless, unelected bureaucrats.
+We killed kings and destroyed empires so that we could have something exponentially worse; but that is a topic for /pol/.
+Putin or the Russian Deep State (respectively) is in an unwinnable position and even if they win on paper, they have lost because they are in a worse situation than what they started with, which was a neutral Sweden and Finland and Ukraine not in NATO.
+--- 58072650
+>>58068210
+Nice list bro, any chance you also have coordinates for those targets?
+--- 58072832
+>>58068268
+untermensch syndrome
+--- 58072870
+>Why can't Russian Shaheeds hit shit
+--- 58072898
+>>58072870
+Impressive. Was it a cat shelter or a hospital?
+--- 58072939
+>>58072898
+S-300 shelter presumably judging by the explosion. Interesting how you haven't heard about that one.
+--- 58072958
+>>58072939
+Oh that old icbm fuel storage facility? You're a few days late on your shilling
+--- 58072965
+>>58072958
+>Oh that old icbm fuel storage facility?
+I thought it was a DECOY ammo stockpile? Did the narrative change?
+--- 58072974
+>>58072965
+I have no idea, russian shills change thier mind so much
+--- 58072987
+>>58072965
+You're right, they actually hit the largest US anti-slav virus developing biolab in Ukraine. The strike also hit the underground nazi-bunker with 300 NATO generals.
+--- 58073027
+>>58072939
+It was a chemplant storing old SS-24 stages. Yellow and Orange lines show the view of two videos of the explosion.
+--- 58073039
+>>58073027
+--- 58073049
+>>58072313
+Galileo's encrypted mode is only available to government-authorized users and it's not useful for military purposes. It's for millimeter precision land surveying, far more accurate than any other satnav. Definitely not suitable for use on a drone.
+
+Quick rundown on satnav precision (encrypted)
+>glon-ass
+7m (lol what high precision mode?)
+>gps
+5m (0.3m)
+>beidou
+3.6m (0.1m)
+>qzss
+>navic
+1m (0.1m)
+>galileo
+1m (0.01m)
+--- 58073068
+>>58068223
+They can launch it from closer than you drew.
+
+>>58072482
+FSB can't do SHIT aside from oppressing fellow Russians and protecting their own authority. Even the fancy hacking attacks has been them outsourcing to the private sector by intimidating nerds who just want to pirate video games.
+--- 58073102
+>>58073039
+Holy shit I could have sworn I saw pics of these posted here before they were blown up.
+--- 58073152
+>>58073049
+What about Galileo HAS?
+>The high-accuracy service (HAS) offered by Galileo is now available and provides sub-meter accuracy over most of the globe. It will help enable emerging technologies such as UAVs and autonomous vehicles, which require stringent levels of accuracy for better navigation, safety and efficient traffic management.
+>Galileo HAS delivers horizontal accuracy down to 20 cm and vertical accuracy of 40 cm in nominal use conditions, according to ESA. The service is transmitted directly via the Galileo signal in space (E6-B) and through the internet.
+>With HAS, Galileo becomes the first constellation worldwide able to provide a high-accuracy service globally and directly through the signal in space.
+>The service is freely accessible to all users with a receiver capable of processing the HAS corrections broadcast in the E6-B signal and via the internet.
+--- 58073185
+>>58073049
+These numbers are completely meaningless. You can achieve centimeter level accuracy in RTK mode even with just GLONASS (assuming you have a western GPS board and antenna) but that requires a known fixed basestation. The actual accuracy, in terms of military applications, depends on countless factors which are mostly down to your antenna and GPS board, troposphere correction, ionosphere correction, cycle slip detection, ephemeris/clock knowledge and so on. In essence it all depends on your GPS module, your antenna and a decent signal from a satellite with an accurate clock. Western antennas and GPS modules blow anything the Chinese and or Russians can produce out of the water since they exist.
+--- 58073188
+>>58068061
+One side has a competent air defense network.
+The other side has tons of AA systems in theory but they are all staffed by vodka monkeys.
+--- 58073206
+>>58068294
+Hey man that's not fair, pisky is well known to disappear and reappear based on patterns of solar wind
+--- 58073221
+>>58072965
+>>58072939
+--- 58073224
+>>58073152
+On a technical level that's basically same as AGPS, except the assistance data comes straight from the satellites, no internet connection needed.
+--- 58073226
+>>58068037 (OP)
+Has anybody collected info on these oil refineries and done estimates on the effects? It's like I'm seeing these events in a vaccum
+--- 58073227
+>>58072423
+>The smartest move by Putin would be to sue for peace, try to gobble up a sliver of land for that Crimea land bridge he invaded to get
+Ukraine shows absolutely no signs of accepting such a deal
+the only way it becomes slightly plausible is if the Uke offensive soon is a disaster and goes nowhere
+even then I find it hard to believe Ukraine would give up any more territory compared to Feb 2022 unless something drastic happened like the US got a president who outright blocked all aid for Ukraine - in which case, of course, Russia would get greedy again and want to annex more. The two countries won't be able to agree on where the border should be for at least like 10 years unless one of them suffers total defeat.
+--- 58073400
+>>58071745
+I prefer worldgay
+--- 58073432
+>>58073400
+Do you?
+--- 58073546
+>>58068196
+>So they weren't lying when they talked about the long range drones they were developing.
+You're assuming this was launched from Ukraine, but Ukrainian partisans in Crimea have been carrying out drone attacks literally the entire war and there have been attacks by both anti-war Russians and suspected Ukrainian infiltrators in Russia as well.
+
+Drone hits shit and drone from Ukraine hits shit aren't the same thing.
+
+Although it doesn't functionally make a difference. If Ukraine can go under Russia's AA or anti-government Russians are starting to do severe infrastructure damage in Russia like the Belarussians did in Belarus with the train tracks, ultimately it's the same fucking result: Russia is unable to stop it and loses a ton of logistical infrastructure.
+--- 58073552
+>>58073400
+But it's about homogeneity, not homosexuality.
+Why are faggots like this?
+--- 58073587
+>>58072484
+Ai isn't very good at making swastikas atm
+--- 58073615
+>>58073185
+>You can achieve centimeter level accuracy in RTK mode even with just GLONASS
+No, you can not. Stop it.
+--- 58073620
+>>58071652
+>nothing left to hit
+>yet Ukraine now exports electricity to the EU
+seethe vatnig
+--- 58073668
+>>58073227
+>The two countries won't be able to agree on where the border should be for at least like 10 years
+This is euroland we're talking about here, you're off by at least a factor of ten.
+--- 58073699
+>>58068329
+>corruption is the ultimate killer for militaries
+This is probably the ultimate lesson governments and militaries will take away from the whole mess for centuries to come.
+--- 58073730
+>>58069205
+>They will learn not to play with the bear
+>Because it is old, diseased, drunk, incompetent, riddled with aids, and will probably die soon
+--- 58073784
+>>58068037 (OP)
+Why do people name off these locations like we know where they are, who owned them, and who attacked them?
+--- 58073819
+>>58073784
+Possibly because even the most uneducated mouthbreather with internet access can look it up in under 10 seconds?
+--- 58074229
+>>58071168
+They were doing the only thing they know how to.
+--- 58074655
+>>58074229
+fuck.
+--- 58074675
+>>58074655
+--- 58074681
+>>58074229
+Warcrime'ing my sides here.
+--- 58074717
+>>58074229
+florkposting is the best thing to happen here in a while.
+--- 58076274
+>>58074717
+You might say we're entering a new ERA
+--- 58076328
+>>58076274
+carlos you fucker lmao
+--- 58076958
+>>58072245
+>It would be interesting to use US manufacturing power to make kamikaze UAVs
+
+MIC already working on this, with less recruits the Military will need to reorganize and integrate massive amounts of drones for combat.
+--- 58077202
+>>58073027
+>>58072939
+So to make your own mini nuke you just need to mix few trucks of solid rocket fuel? Or it needs more than fire to go off like that instead of just flying in random direction?
+
+Damage looks almost kilometer wide. I wonder when we get decent ground pics.
+--- 58077358
+>>58068210
+The refineries that matter are ones near the front line, as fuel being carried by trucks is going to be too logistically strained if they have to go 500+ kilometres. 
+Additionally by disabling nearby storage, others will have to make up for regional shortages.
+--- 58077431
+That's... well on the other side of the Kerch bridge. Whoever is actually trying to run logistics on the Russian side (likely someone who needs the stuff rather than the guy officially in charge) is probably being a bit not happy right now.
+--- 58077559
+>>58077202
+>you just need to mix few trucks of solid rocket fuel
+Yes, all you have to do is acquire enough solid rocket fuel to build several dozen ICBMs, simple really.
+--- 58077643
+>>58068061
+A combination of motivated contractors and the fact so much of ukraines electricity comes from nuclear, which Russia is afraid of openly targeting. 
+https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-ukraine-survived-russias-mission-to-turn-off-the-lights-winter-is-over-and-were-still-here-8668c5f5?st=5addrxt391g4oht
+
+>>58073620
+>"The electricity reports are forged by western elites!"
+>"But if western elites are just laundering money wouldn't they want to make the situation look worse to garner more aid?"
+--- 58077657
+>>58068281
+>bought from China and modified by Ukraine
+It's not an africa, Ukraine can produce (at least assemble) their own shit given the investments (no one really wanted to give them any for the last 30 years)
+--- 58080308
+>>58073546
+How do you defend against rail sabotage anyway?
+--- 58080323
+>>58073699
+problem is this has happened multiple times through out history, and regimes still struggle with it partially because its so embedded into them attempting to fix it will just result in the guy getting removed even if it will benefit the state long terms, just look at the numerous arab militaries
+--- 58080339
+>>58080308
+Fixing a derailment isn't very difficult for the Russians. We tend to take for granted how heavily reliant Russia is on its rail system; the rails have their own brigade dedicated to keeping it running. 
+
+You can't really defend against sabotage over broad stretches of rail effectively, so the better option is to have rapid response engineers available to quickly crane up derailed cranes and slap on new rails. 
+
+It's why I was so disappointed in the bridge attack earlier in the war. It didn't fully destroy the rail side, which meant they "repaired" it relatively quickly, meaning the disruption in supplies was negligible.
+--- 58080349
+>>58080339
+...derailed trains
+--- 58080351
+>>58074229
+Excellent.
+--- 58080391
+>>58080339
+Can't wait for pointing Prigozhin to become the template
+
+If derailed cars are easy to fix, maybe they should do bigger explosions and get the fuel trains burning.
+--- 58080563
+>>58073068
+>FSB can’t do SHIT
+
+FSB won’t do shit - they are the kings of the “fuck work” movement right now. absolute masters of malicious compliance. doing the bare minimum to the point of comedy. they are geniuses.
+--- 58080586
+>>58068061
+Literally same as many other things in this war: Ukraine just wants to win more.

k/58068999.txt

@@ -70,3 +70,82 @@ they look lame
 --- 58070637
 >>58068999 (OP)
 what the flying fuck am I looking at
+--- 58071092
+>>58068999 (OP)
+I wanna set up an AR pistol kinda like this as a ironic "so fucking what" hip fire omatic I response to these hydra mount doods
+--- 58071126
+>>58068999 (OP)
+>they feed us poison 
+>so we buy their cure
+>while they supress our medicine
+--- 58071539
+>>58068999 (OP)
+>spending several hundred on a solution for Sig's shit tier rails
+Yet again carry handle chads were ahead of the tactifag game all along
+--- 58071925
+>>58068999 (OP)
+It's only for use with nods.
+If you don't have nods or don't plan to shoot with nods, it's ridiculous.
+--- 58072131
+>>58068999 (OP)
+>why do people despise the Hydra mount?
+..................?
+--- 58072174
+>>58072131
+I see you've found my weapon
+--- 58072239
+>>58069096
+>they told me to neck myself
+
+as a aide note, i firmly believe this is the result of the doll fetish going off the rails in society. Unless the heads are removable and swappable, in which case it is based.
+--- 58072290
+>>58068999 (OP)
+>people have optics mounted high for night vision
+>high mounted optics become seen as high end because people who can afford night vision use them
+>people who don't even have night vision start buying high mounted optics because it is now a trend
+>they start retroactively justifying their purchases by making shit up about how high optics are objectively better for 'situational awareness' and start looking down on all the plebians who will totally get killed innaboog because their mount is a fraction of an inch lower
+its not just about the mount. its about what it represents. also it looks fucking retarded lol.
+--- 58072305
+>>58072131
+hail hydra
+--- 58072404
+>>58068999 (OP)
+Well the scam price is one good reason. Its a block of aluminum and they want over $500 for it. 
+Its also a very very niche accessory that for most people in the world is solving a problem that doesn't exist. If you actually have that problem then you can solve it for a 1/10th of the price. Or, even more realistically its an issued rifle and you dont get to slap random hype beast gear on it anyways.
+--- 58072497
+>>58070463
+B-but I want to spend thousands of dollars to shoot cardboard cutouts at night twice a year
+--- 58073340
+>>58069060
+This. People who fell for the high-mount gimmick now need a new hypebeast product to flex on r/guns.
+--- 58073574
+>>58068999 (OP)
+Isn't it expensive?
+--- 58075408
+>>58068999 (OP)
+Maybe cuz the dipshit gay cocksucking goobers upcharged 550 fucking burger tokens for that piece of shit when it costs so little to make that you can buy a q to 1 replica made out of the same grade aluminum for 50 dollars shipped.
+--- 58076482
+>>58072239
+>>58069073
+
+I achieved similar results with my ballsack
+--- 58076710
+>>58068999 (OP)
+First is the price. $500 is absurd. Especially when some Chinese factory (probably the same one they used to make the 'official') was pumping out the same thing for $50 on Amazon. People who bought both have stated how annoyed they are that the GBRS version feels less quality in general than some knockoff.
+Second, it doesn't look good. The EOTECH mount looks better proportionally, but no matter how useful this might be on something like a rattler, it just looks very unappealing. People can discount looks and pretend it is some 10x improvement worth the tradeoff, but it's not. Most of these you see are mounted on standard 'pistols' anyway, even when there is a ton of rail. I'd just keep mounting my IR unit at the front of the rail because the offset isn't that extreme, and not worth $500 to 'fix'. 
+Third, the Unity Fast mount exists, along with other highrise mounts for Nightvision. Not only do they look better, but the Fast mount has a backup ironsight which is nice to use with the front sight post during the day. Even these mounts are far too expensive. I'd argue the Amazon knockoff unity mount is probably a better product than the official GBRS mount.
+--- 58079728
+>>58072131
+That's cute.
+This isn't shopped.
+--- 58079909
+>>58079728
+--- 58079931
+>>58079728
+>>58079909
+PRECISION
+HIPFIRE
+TECHNOLOGY
+--- 58080405
+>>58072290
+Higher mounts (>lower 1/3rd) are way more comfortable to shoot especially from a high ready

k/58069082.txt

@@ -82,3 +82,286 @@ It's difficult enough that doing it well while not being shot at makes you Jeff
 >>58069102
 > I would have to stop eating ice cream though.
 You really don't
+--- 58071261
+Have you ever played Factorio op?
+--- 58071271
+>>58069940
+minor correction, it was the JU-52s that they were counting on to resupply the sixth army 
+and it was the HE-111s that they brought in as replacements when they found out the JU-52 had been severely overestimated
+--- 58071301
+>>58069082 (OP)
+Just read Caocao’s book you retard. 
+In the various annotated versions of Art of War Caocao’s version values most. Cuz he is the only annotation author who has real experience from participating small battle, to commanding a army and then organising a war. 
+In his time transposing 1 unit of grain to border would cost 20 unit en route for feeding porters and horses.
+--- 58071308
+>>58069872
+>everybody other than the US (and the UK, back when it had a globe-spanning empire) simply doesn't seem to grok how vital it is
+surely they should know
+I'm mindblown
+
+>>58070471
+>one truck per non truck vehicle and that would be considered extremely light logistics
+You're shitting me
+--- 58071781
+Russian logistics centres around energy movement. 
+Chinese logistics is consumer goods focused. 
+The US is the only power capable of expeditionary movement of force. A Chinese naval detachment operating in the Gulf of Mexico would run out of food and fuel in a few weeks. A Russian occupation of Laos wouldn’t be able to sustain AirPower. 
+These aren’t controversial ideas.
+--- 58071843
+>>58069102
+You could be driving the army ice cream barge
+--- 58071844
+>>58071308
+>You're shitting me
+Nope. Because this truck would also need a truck. And one truck cannot do more than 1 thing. It can trasport fuel or spare parts or other things like food but not all at once.
+--- 58071850
+>>58069102
+>The plot of Ernest joins the army
+--- 58071858
+>>58070749
+This. 
+Army truck drivers are the laziest fuckers I've ever seen.
+--- 58071893
+>>58071858
+Buddy of mine drove trucks during his conscription in the Austrian army, it was a really chill experience apparently.
+--- 58071940
+>>58071781
+>A Chinese naval detachment operating in the Gulf of Mexico would run out of food and fuel in a few weeks.
+And that is what always took me out of Mercenaries 2. Also that line about Not getting Involved in a land war with China, Except it goes in Asia and the game is set in Venezuela.
+--- 58071944
+>>58071893
+Yeah, I have a friend in the Finnish army that is a truck driver and he doesn't do anything during the day. He basically only drives during exercises.
+--- 58071975
+>>58069082 (OP)
+tanks are sexy
+the work of getting the tanks in the field and keeping them in the field is not sexy and expensive
+--- 58071988
+>>58070232
+Is this your first time here?
+--- 58072025
+>>58069102
+Son, with an attitude like that you'll be captain of the ice cream barge in no time.
+--- 58072062
+>>58069082 (OP)
+>How difficult is logistics anyway?!
+Really extremely hard. Imagine you need to call your friend 800 miles away, tell him to pick up a list of random shit from 3 different stores and meet you in the middle of nowhere so you can make a sandwich. 
+Now imagine doing that with 1000 different friends making a giant sandwich. None of them have access to enough ingredients to make the whole sandwich, and not all of them have access to all ingredients or even the same stores, or even the same size cars or navigation systems. 
+Now do that for a million giant sandwiches scattered across the countryside while also avoiding being blown up by the forces of anti-sandwich.
+--- 58072104
+>>58072062
+>avoiding being blown up by the forces of anti-sandwich.
+Why do they hate sandwiches so?
+--- 58072114
+>>58072062
+Ah I remember the Snack Wars. I served in the 8th Greggs Baguette Battalion.
+--- 58072146
+>>58069082 (OP)
+>UTF
+Pure sex
+--- 58072187
+>>58071858
+>>58071893
+>>58071944
+my mate's a truck driver, his squad is unironically the laziest motherfuckers in the battalion, but I think it's a good place for people who wouldn't be able to serve otherwise to be in (he has terribly flat feet)
+
+>>58072114
+Ah, the Foreign Legion. Fine lads.
+I was in the 3rd Sausage Rolls.
+
+>>58071844
+I wouldn't have thought one truck per AFV is considered "extremely light"
+--- 58072241
+>>58072104
+Like usual, it doesn't matter why, their anti-sandwich missiles will kill you either way. 
+>>58072114
+>mfw I'm just a REMF, behind the sneezeguard. 
+I'm a sandwich assembly technician!
+--- 58072292
+>>58072187
+>I wouldn't have thought one truck per AFV is considered "extremely light"
+A cold-war era soviet tank company had 1 truck per 10 tanks
+This was an upgrade over WW2 where a company had no trucks at all
+
+A US tank company had 1 truck, 1 trailer, 1 M113, and 2 humvees for 14 tanks
+Technically fewer trucks per tanks, but overall higher mechanisation for non-tanks
+--- 58072295
+>>58072114
+To this day, I wake up with explosions and screams and the cries of ALOHA SNACKBAR ringing in my ears
+--- 58072338
+>>58072187
+Trucks are exponential in distance, not linear.
+Moving one truckload one max distance takes one truck, moving that same single truckload double max distance takes three trucks, three times the distance takes seven trucks, four times takes fifteen trucks, etc...
+And before that you have to deliver the trucks themselves, and then supply them all with repairs and men. And then the men operating the trucks also need supplies...
+Now you'll rapidly start having to deal not with trucks but roads, and by this same equation supplying three saturated road of trucks needs seven saturated roads of trucks, but in many cases there just aren't that many roads.
+And now those choked roads full of supply trucks start attracting enemy attention so you need air support, radar, armored divisions, infantry trenches, etc...
+In the end you win up in a situation where to deliver a single bag of potato a day chips across the country you need to first construct a series of highways, rail lines and seaports, then build several trade cities populated with millions of workers, open universities to train teams of engineers, build a robust commercial airline network, etc...
+--- 58072604
+>>58069082 (OP)
+
+In order to be the best at logistics it helps a LOT if you can count on your homeland never being at risk during the war. If you can build as many factories as you need without covering them entirely in AA, have the workers and their families sleep at night without fear of incoming bombs, keep all your mines and farms not just alive but running overtimes. you have a bit of logistical advantage over a country that has none of that.
+
+All of the NATO countries are doing logistics well now. They practice generally, exchange officers and staff resources all the time, and have what they need - for peacetime. How they will work if there ever is a NATO war we don't know, but we do know that our only enemy know the address and coordinate of most of our depots, factories, barracks and strategic resources. Things are going to be pretty interesting the first weeks of war for people living near those places. Even the proud USA would get a bit angsty if some of their key roadcrosses, fuel depots and main power generators went boom all of a sudden and then logistics could get challenging for a while.
+--- 58072629
+>>58069082 (OP)
+>logistics. 
+> spend a few bucks on a few trucks
+Logistics is not just throwing $$ after trucks.
+> sourcing the supplies
+> getting the supplies built
+> receiving supplies
+> getting large quantities of supplies to distribution center / warehouse
+> properly storing supplies
+> knowing what supplies need to be moved to FEBA (forward edge battle area)
+> protecting supplies
+All of this is hard. And each one is an entry point for corruption (theft, sub-standard materials) or fuckery (bad storage, bad transport, bad handling).
+--- 58072652
+In conventional war, logistics make the difference between victory and defeat.
+
+People focus on the sexy side of things, the tactics, but logistics are the life support of any war machine.
+
+Which is what makes unconventional war so devastating.
+
+Counter-insurgents must sustain a complex logistics chain.
+
+Insurgents are just armed, organized, and living in their country like normal. You can't even tell who is a local citizen and who is a guerilla fighter, because they dress the same. Their logistics chain is just living and working in their own country.
+--- 58072654
+>>58069082 (OP)
+I work at a pcr test kit producing company making millions of dollars worth of product every day and we have problems getting materials up from the basement within 24 hours. Actual logistics in a unpredictable, constantly shifting system on a national level has to be a nightmare, even if you can court marshal people for laziness and incompetence.
+--- 58072668
+>>58069102
+Buy one. You can buy old Bundeswehr trucks or completely new ones
+--- 58072677
+>>58072629
+
+Indeed, logistics are not just trucks full of ammo, weapons, and people.
+
+Training, establishing bases, transporting essential supplies like food and water and GASOLINE (OIL), transporting and deploying large and expensive weapon systems, communications, and more, depending on the nature of the war.
+--- 58072689
+>>58072677
+
+>GASOLINE (OIL)
+
+WAR FOR OIL
+
+OIL FOR WAR
+
+BABYLON MARCHES
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tw2P65wv5E [Embed]
+--- 58072867
+>>58072654
+>logistics on a national level has to be a nightmare
+Now do it on a global scale.
+
+If you think about it, it takes a First World economy to do proper logistics. Right there you limit the number of entrants. And you need a top of the line army and navy and air force to do logistics over any significant distance. 
+> overlap those two areas and you have a very narrow area in your venn diagram
+--- 58073490
+>>58071271
+It didn't help that the Germans seemed to treat those cargo aircraft were expendable. They were slaughtered over Stalingrad and this was after taking a beating in Africa as well as the other pocket in the east (I forget which one exactly), they also suffered in Crete earlier in the war.
+--- 58073521
+>>58072187
+>I wouldn't have thought one truck per AFV is considered "extremely light"
+You now realize why many nations underestimate the difficulty of logistics kek.
+--- 58073915
+>>58073521
+>one truck per AFV
+And the compounding effect: those support trucks have logistics.
+I'd love to see a tip-of-the-iceberg chart showing what it took to get one NLAW or Javelin or 155mm round to the front line.
+--- 58073927
+>>58073915
+I imagine it's something like those charts you see for BigMacs and shit
+--- 58073951
+>>58073915
+Well first you need a well-developed continent-sized first world country with an economy of several trillions with massive transportation and communication networks and production facilities and an educated workforce. The rest is trivial and left as an exercise to the reader.
+--- 58073969
+>>58073951
+see >>58072867
+That's a VERY narrow population you've described:
+> well-developed
+> continent-sized
+> first world country 
+> economy of several trillions 
+> with massive transportation and communication networks and production facilities 
+> and an educated workforce
+Number of countries that satisfy this set of criteria: 1
+--- 58074117
+Anyone who has served in the US military overseas will tell you how close to collapse the whole thing is at any given moment. We had a sever go down that controlled close to half the gates on base. The person that was supposed to know how to get it back up and running didn't know how so he had to spend 6 hours straight on the phone talking to people who did know how to do it. All the while we couldn't get fuel, we couldn't get a new tire, access to half the water was cut off, and two people were stuck in a room the size of a prison cell because they were the ones that fucked up the server because they were trying to fix the big fridge that held out milk.
+--- 58074164
+>>58074117
+>For want of half-and-half the base was lost
+--- 58074203
+>>58069197
+its insanely complex, but one thing is that the entire US army runs on one fuel: JP-8. It sounds like a small thing, but then you go look at other nations where you can't use half of your fueling trucks for half of your combat vehicles because some run on gasoline, others on diesel and so forth.
+--- 58074465
+>>58072338
+>what is sealift?
+--- 58074529
+>>58074117
+Servers don't control gates, they may authenticate IDs which would snarl things nicely. Further, any gate with an actuator can simply be disconnected then operated manually. Most bases don't have gates that open and shut for each vehicle. I've never seen one.
+--- 58074669
+Worked on two carriers, and one amphib, all 7th fleet. AMA.
+--- 58074682
+>>58074669
+Should I run on a treadmill or outside on concrete?
+--- 58074740
+>>58069102
+Wait, i can play Snowrunner irl?
+--- 58074747
+>>58074669
+Why is logistics so difficult and why can't other nations into logistics?
+--- 58074756
+>>58074669
+What is point of life? Is there afterlife?
+--- 58074822
+>>58072292
+That doesn't count logistics support, those are just organic trucks. Why didn't you instantly catch that? One truck cannot be organic hauling related equipment while supporting anything else of note because it cannot be in two places at once.
+--- 58074855
+>>58074669
+What is the most difficult/complex underway logistics feat?
+--- 58075296
+>>58074669
+which is more important, sealift or airlift?
+--- 58075306
+>>58074669
+Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
+--- 58075446
+>>58072241
+>Like usual, it doesn't matter why, their anti-sandwich missiles will kill you either way.
+
+>finally get to have the tastiest BLT ever
+>laser guided firecracker blows it out of your hands
+the horror...the horror
+--- 58075463
+>>58075446
+It brings me right back there...
+--- 58076970
+>>58072292
+That's for repairs and stuff. Resupply units are usually held at the division/corps-level (except for during the current brigade-centric organization) and tasked out as needed to stay ahead of expected resupply needs. It takes a pack of mad geniuses to properly maintain a corps in battle.
+--- 58077009
+>>58074740
+You don't get to blaze your own trail. You go where the engineers have cleared you to go.
+--- 58077747
+>>58072104
+>Why do they hate sandwiches so?
+They worship the Blender
+--- 58077818
+Logistics isn't particularly difficult, it's just expensive and lacks glamour.
+
+Rulers of third world shitholes don't actually care if their armies to be logistically competent, because they don't plan on conducting any real expeditionary warfare. They care far more about internal security than external. All those trucks and specialized vehicles required for successful expeditionary warfare, and the constant maintenance and training that goes along with it, are not only frightfully expensive, but they're boring. They'd rather have an army with a few cool toys like fighter jets and tanks that they can trot out for parades to look fearsome.
+
+The Soviets used to be good at logistics, but then it became another third world shithole. When the choice is between using the fuel budget to actually do training with, or to embezzle it, the generals in Russia will steal it every time.
+--- 58077896
+>>58069082 (OP)
+Logistics? Hah! Real commanders learn battle tactics instead!
+--- 58079256
+>>58069197
+The US has a large enough GDP to support a large enough military that employs enough people and purchases enough machines based on their ambitions. 
+Most countries that get into trouble with logistics tend to be dictatorships with ambitions far beyond their means, and with no one who can meaningfully tell them "no, we can't afford an invasion".
+--- 58079566
+>>58072652
+Insightful.
+--- 58079576
+>>58074682
+Concrete. Treadmill you might bounce like a trampoline.
+
+Buy good shoes. Put good inserts in them.

k/58069371.txt

@@ -10,3 +10,69 @@ Psssssssssss grbb
 --- 58070227
 >>58069371 (OP)
 I guess Russians meant Ukrainians are Nazi engineers.
+--- 58071067
+>>58069371 (OP)
+>Hohols using Nazi rocket tech to help HATO genocide innocent Russians
+All the more reason why Russia must finish Ukraine's de-nazification at any cost.
+--- 58071108
+Not surprising. The whole space race was Ukrainian scientists versus Nazi scientists. Asiatic mongol rape-babies are too dumb to into rockets.
+--- 58071153
+isn't that a nazi symbol on the patch?
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol)
+--- 58073415
+>>58071153
+yup,ukranians (and their russian volunteer allies) really dig world war 2 german ''''morale patches'''
+and i can't really blame them
+--- 58073585
+>>58071153
+Not just that, it's also has wolfsangel, in style of the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich, superimposed on it.
+
+>>58073415
+>russian liberation army
+Lel
+--- 58073612
+>>58071153
+concern trolling or else is it possible to be this new?
+--- 58074264
+>>58073585
+this timeline russia opened truly is something else
+--- 58074946
+>>58069371 (OP)
+Good to see that my old paintbrush made meme living on. Here`s the version updated few month later.
+--- 58078005
+>>58069371 (OP)
+>Russia chimps out and fires a dozen or two cruise missiles at Ukraine
+>After a few minutes of bombardment, every Ukrainian goes to their back garden and launches a mini-buzzbomb right back at them 
+
+At what point do the Russians just pack up and go home, because I'm not sure how one deals with so many incoming missiles that they blot out the sun.
+--- 58078066
+>>58071153
+It's also the symbol behind the Wolfenstein reboot that apparently only I liked, because I preferred B-movie, supernatural mad science to bland, art-deco diesel punk.
+--- 58081324
+>>58071153
+>>58078066
+>>58073612
+>>58073585
+>>58073415
+I know it's bait. But still heard an interesting thing explained by a German volunteer from Ukraine recently. He talked about how in that part of the world Nazi iconography has a bit of a different meaning.
+It's less about National Socialism or Antisemitism and more about Anti-Communism or general Anti-Authoritarianism. That's why you see so many criminals with swastika tattoos over there
+--- 58081397
+>>58081324
+I always imagined a lot of Ukrainians wear totenkopfs and the like because they see it as anticommunist and anti-Russian imagery divorced from wherever it came from. However, right wing militias flourished under Poroshenko because he allowed them to, so idk how much water it holds. After the Right Sector lost a lot of its prestige when Zelenskyy became president, and when the invasion happened, maybe this became moreso true.
+--- 58081520
+>>58069371 (OP)
+>valveless
+>only 1 or 2 intakes
+>no ram collar
+At this point you would be better off with a simple reed valve array. It can be cut from a single sheet of spring steel, has objectively better performance, and simpler construction. Also, these were abandoned by every country because they're inefficient as shit (Lenoir cycle) because they only have at best a mild ram compression. And they're loud as fuck. You will hear one of these 20 miles out like a ricer with no muffler revving 20 feet away. Rocket boosted glide bombs are better in almost every way.
+
+For anyone interested in info on this type specifically check out https://www.academia.edu/7679260/Valveless_Pulsejet_Engines_1_5
+--- 58081604
+>>58081324
+No, they are not dying for LGBTQ+ and BLM.
+--- 58081957
+>>58081397
+Well it certainly isn't black and white either. There are bound to be people who wear those patches because they're right wingers I think.
+Funnily enough that same volunteer I'm talking about said, that the people who were most adamant about their right-wing/antisemite rhetoric were the people who did not have any Nazi patches
+>>58081604
+What are you even talking about mate?

k/58069542.txt

@@ -12,3 +12,32 @@ I bought 100 rounds of .45acp target ammo that were under powered. I think they
 --- 58070582
 >>58069542 (OP)
 is that red army standard? If so, shame on you. That shit has some of the worst, most inconsistent loading I have ever seen. Do not be surprised if it squibs once a mag.
+--- 58073633
+>>58069555
+Checked
+>take my fightlite out to the desert
+Cool, but the Sun tends to stain barrels
+--- 58075340
+>>58070582
+Shut up idiot its not even a real maker brand, they do what wolf does and just import its never been always 100 percent from the same factory you fucking mook and i bet you cant even name the russian ammo factories that we used to love and enjoy. Shut up.
+--- 58075395
+>>58069542 (OP)
+What I got this year 
+have some Mauser ammo on the way
+--- 58075543
+>>58069542 (OP)
+Yes but idk if it is good to shoot or not. Hard primer. Gonna use it after summer.
+--- 58078721
+>>58075543
+Is not for pistol, for smg
+--- 58079790
+I got a 50 count box of some neat 454 casull.. get some range time with it Sunday…. 420 grain rated for 1400 fps out of a 6 inch barrel…. Slowly increasing the collection of 454…. Have this weird idea that since people do wine tasting and beer flights then I might as well get a good variety and do some bullet flights with friends.. need to pick up another box of 200 grain hornady…
+--- 58080378
+>>58069542 (OP)
+purchased 1000rnds of 9mm a few minutes ago
+--- 58080999
+I just bought an ass load of .17hm2 and .17 aguila. 
+AKA .17pmc but a Mexican invented it so I call it .17 aguila.
+I hope it get here soon.
+--- 58081009
+got 1000 of range ammo and 500 of hollow point

k/58069668.txt

@@ -76,3 +76,573 @@ Older interfaces were absolute garbage from an usability perspective and signifi
 
 so the spike in ring could be a huge could, birds, the enemy, or an airliner.
 always makes me wonder how airliner shootdowns dont happen more often with sovietshit
+--- 58070995
+>>58070481
+Link to video? really interested.
+--- 58071018
+>>58070481
+>tap to target, swipe to kill
+what a time to be alive
+--- 58071021
+>>58070481
+>>58070995
+nvm found the video
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLTipa4Ay6c [Embed]
+--- 58071057
+>>58070316
+spin the wheel, wheel spinner
+--- 58071105
+>>58069776
+Same, but because I can't operate capacitive touchscreens safely. Something with my body's bioelectric field, if I get even slightly agitated any screen I'm touching acts up and delivers dozens of clicks (no, it's not tremors, it does so even when I'm confirmed to not touch the device physically).
+
+OTOH, it' funny to imagine getting pissed off when operating one of those and accidentally launching a shitload of missiles Macross-style.
+--- 58071116
+>>58070358
+Supposedly its because the rotor forms a right angle with the cowling, forming a perfect shape to reflect radar
+--- 58072080
+>>58070230
+whats this? the firing controls?
+--- 58072091
+>>58069668 (OP)
+>>58069701
+i don't care what anyone says. even though flat screens are objectively superior, the old tubes, analog buttons and everything else just has so much more soul
+--- 58072151
+>>58072091
+That's a completely meaningless statement.
+--- 58072172
+>>58070230
+The downing of Malaysia Flight 17 makes a lot more sense when you realize this was the equipment they used to do it
+--- 58072182
+>>58072080
+Bakelite.... such soul
+--- 58072204
+>>58069776
+Yeah, but I'd a prefer screen that can display more information and prioritize it with shit like color coding over physical switches.
+--- 58072269
+>>58070481
+>training time
+Maybe knuckle dragging retard grunts aren't up to the task. These systems should be manned by commissioned officers at *minimum*. Working radio isn't hard.
+
+The new shit is overly complicated, overly engineered dogshit where field repairs are absolutely impossible and undoubtedly ridden with thousands of zero days and other nasty issues.
+
+My trade is electronic engineering with a side of software development. I've worked adjacent to projects that the dipshit military brass eat up like cookies in a factory. I wouldn't touch anything running on software that comes out of the MIC with a ten foot pole. You people have no idea how bad this shit really is.
+>w-well I know a guy who uses the s-syst-
+I don't give shit. Anybody who would choose the dog shit needless "modern" goyslop version deserves to experience catastrophic system failure.
+--- 58072334
+>>58071105
+Wtf nigga has a special ability
+--- 58072369
+>>58069701
+I bet the left one gives you eye cancer.
+--- 58072683
+>>58072269
+Based analogue enjoyer.
+--- 58073031
+>>58069701
+Kek, they make that guy wear his helmet indoors. He went full retard.
+--- 58073148
+>>58072269
+Exactly this. I work in the nuclear power industry as an I&C electrical engineer. Most reactors are still using analog indicators and controls because plant managers (and the NRC) are skeptical of the reliability of digital controls.
+
+There are a few plants which are trying to modernize controls, but the projects I know have have been going on for more than a decade with no end in sight.
+--- 58073169
+>>58072269
+digital controls are actually more reliable than analog ones in combat conditions
+
+fewer moving parts, less weight
+while you cant repair a microchip in the field you dont have a lathe inside the vehicle to cut out gears and axles either
+--- 58073250
+>>58072269
+>zero days
+Fuck off retard, you don't know what you're talking about.
+--- 58073703
+>>58069713
+>right is souless
+The entire interface is coded in fucking Java. Not Javascript. Basic bitch Java.
+--- 58073973
+>>58072269
+>zero days
+nigga it's not even connected to public internet
+--- 58074270
+>>58072269
+Well if it helps, I did software for medical devices and felt the same way. Ironically, all the fda regulations (at least the fear of it) make the software worse because of all the bureaucracy it adds.
+--- 58074300
+>>58070161
+Fallout tier is 50's-60's level tech, so it checks out
+--- 58074355
+>>58072269
+me hacking the SAM system that isn't even connected to the internet somehow
+--- 58074422
+>>58071105
+>>58072334
+or you just have weird skin.
+I could do that with some free phone clicker games for a time with a certain phone.
+just had to put a finger the right distance from the screen.
+more fingers meant more clicks.
+--- 58074473
+>>58073148
+the big issue I have seen with digital stuff is in cars.
+basically many updates get pushed out fast, and because its so easy to push stuff out fast its easy to overlook things as well.
+
+digital could work for nukes, but only if you approached it more like a bank and went for reliability over upgrades as much as possible.
+--- 58074557
+>>58073703
+>Java
+Fucking disgusting.
+It's a piece of military hardware, not Abdul Pajeets bloated accounting shitware.
+That shit should be written in C++ to reduce execution latency.
+God I fucking hate Java, Oracle, and the incompetent retards that promote it as a viable language in the modern era where it's only usecase, being able to compile once and run on any CPU architecture, is completely fucking pointless.
+>inb4 muh memory management
+JUST TYPE 'free(that_shit_you_dont_need)', IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD, IF YOU CAN'T REMEMBER ONE FOUR LETTER WORD YOU SHOULDN'T BE A FUCKING PROGRAMMER YOU LAZY, RETARDED, BROWN, FAGGOT.
+--- 58074560
+Irreplaceable technology Russia can't produce anymore.
+--- 58074657
+>>58072269
+>Side of software engineering
+Keep it that way, your retardation wouldnt survive software development.
+--- 58074722
+>>58070230
+You said it, tovarisch. As soon as I have dialed in the wavelength, everyone will understand everything.
+--- 58074793
+>>58073973
+>>58073250
+Actual software dev here. There are plenty of zero days that are used in non internet connected systems. A lot of your devices come with more options to connect to than most folks realize. Case in point you probably believe your Bluetooth is fine, but it's is trivial to brute force any Bluetooth connection and to snoop on it. Conflicker supposedly even hopped the airgapped Iranian computers over speakers broadcasting in frequencies not heard by humans. 
+
+https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/04/jumping_airgaps.html
+https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/scientist-developed-malware-covertly-jumps-air-gaps-using-inaudible-sound/
+
+That being said EE here really doesn't know how much work goes into a lot of US equipment to be more stable than other pieces of software, but it really doesn't matter all software contains bugs. All of it. The best you can hope for are properly designed components and that varies wildly from company to company, device to device.
+--- 58074805
+>>58074557
+>t. has multiple memory leaks in his code
+C++ is unironically a terrible choice for their "stability"
+--- 58074817
+>>58074805
+>memory leaks
+>JUST TYPE 'free(that_shit_you_dont_need)', IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD, IF YOU CAN'T REMEMBER ONE FOUR LETTER WORD YOU SHOULDN'T BE A FUCKING PROGRAMMER YOU LAZY, RETARDED, BROWN, FAGGOT.
+--- 58074841
+>>58074817
+>Retard still thinks he has cleaned up his pointers
+Lmao, run valgrind on your shit and tell me how many leaks its found in your shitty hobby code.
+--- 58074939
+>>58074817
+Yes grandpa I'm sure your paradigm that was failing even back during imperative interpretation would work great with concurrency issues brought about by multithreading and multiple hw input sources
+Please tell me about your atomic alternative to free() that I'm sure is widely accepted as a c++ standard and isn't some abomination of a procedure implemented in a compiler of your choice where you have zero clue how the assembly instructions actually ensure atomic execution
+Just slap another instruction into arm/RISC based instruction sets, I'm sure it costs no meaningful silicon space
+Do you also happen to still use iron sights on your M14? Just curious
+--- 58074991
+>>58070319
+The SPO can only warn you about two threats at a time, and it will only give you detailed Info about one.
+
+I have a theory that the RWR is actually one of the biggest problems for Ukrainian air force jets.
+--- 58075020
+>>58074722
+What's the frequency, Kenneth?
+--- 58075037
+>>58070076
+SOVL
+--- 58075136
+>>58072080
+I'm not positive, but you're probably right. Here's the equivalent for the central fire control system on a Iowa-class battleship
+--- 58075173
+>>58074939
+>Do you also happen to still use iron sights on your M14?
+Hey now, iron sights are very well defined and robust compared to the piles of barely-defined garbage your average C/C++ stack is built on.
+The amount of ad-hoc behind-the-scenes fuckery it takes to make "standard" C or POSIX libraries work in a mostly consistent manner in real use kept mailing lists busy for decades.
+--- 58075193
+>>58069668 (OP)
+1. That looks like an old picture. 2. It was designed in 1981 and first fielded in 1984. Sorry it doesn't look like your Nintendo switch.
+--- 58075204
+>>58069701
+I love how they preserved the button layout
+--- 58075208
+>>58073031
+I doubt they make him do anything, he's just that kind of guy. On a serious nite I've gotten into my car a number of times while still wearing a hard hat.
+--- 58075236
+>>58070316
+>>58071057
+Do you know what they have to do when they sail in close formation? 
+>Increase throttle to x revolutions 
+>5 degrees starboard 
+>Decrease in y revolutions 
+>1 degree port 
+>Increase to y revolutions
+>2 degrees port 
+And the commands come out about as fast as you're reading them and last all day and all night. 
+
+A moment of silence and reflection for wheel spinners across the fleet.
+--- 58075248
+>>58072172
+makes even more sense when you realize russians are fucking cunts.
+--- 58075250
+>>58072269
+Enjoy your operator fatigue faggot retard
+--- 58075293
+>>58073148
+I have some similar experience with utilities. I'm a consulting engineer on a lot of water and energy products. Getting the utility to use solid state things, vfds, PLCs, etc. is like pulling teeth. If it was up to them everything would be massive electromechanical relay control cabinets, across the line starters, dot matrix printers, etc. One utility had dual 48 fiber opgw for the transmission lines and was using maybe 25% of the fiber in a manner you would use copper. Then they paid for a Verizon FIOS connection at each station despite having the ability to have a completely secure fiber network. You eventually just give up. Only the security people like new tech.
+--- 58075309
+>>58070230
+>>58074722
+>>58070276
+Top kek, can we make this a new meme? Analogueposting, anyone?
+--- 58075320
+>>58070285
+>>58070316
+>"I can't believe I get to aim the main guns on a battleship!"
+>Your job is to turn a wheel until the two arrows on this dial overlap.
+--- 58075349
+>>58075309
+>new
+--- 58075352
+>>58070076
+kino
+--- 58075375
+>>58074805
+>multiple memory leaks in his code
+It's not 2007, grandpa. Everyone uses smart pointers now and don't really care about memory management.
+--- 58075407
+>>58075375
+>Smart pointers
+Congrats you've invented garbage collection in a language that is not platform independent. C++ really is a bastard language
+--- 58075409
+>>58072151
+seething
+--- 58075430
+>>58075407
+And?
+--- 58075475
+>>58075430
+If you're going to hype smart pointers literally just use Java. You get more benefits and deploy anywhere.
+--- 58075540
+>>58075475
+>use Java
+It's slower.
+>deploy anywhere
+Absolutely useless for military purposes. Also do you really think that putting JVM in specialized hardware is performance efficient?
+--- 58075559
+>>58075540
+Having worked on nuke subs running Java I can tell you for a fact it works fine you fucking troglodyte.
+--- 58075595
+>>58075559
+Nah, I am working on military UAVs, almost only C++/C for firmware. But there are few departments which use C# for automatic tests.
+--- 58075629
+>>58075559
+I don't understand why these people are so religious about C and C++. Java works fine where you want easily maintainable code that is relatively low level. 
+As a rust developer I think that both sides are cretins.
+--- 58075636
+>>58075595
+Yeah because no one needs a VM for firmware, that's the point of firmware low level shit. It doesn't make C/C++ anymore stable. The reason folks have swapped overwhelmingly to things like Java/Python is that a crash doesn't take down the whole system just the interpretter, leading to "crash resiliency," in low level applications like what you mentioned the hardware would be hindered by the JVM. But once again this doesn't mean your C++ GC is any better, just that you are not relying on an inbetween and any crash you have will take down the hardware instead of the VM.
+--- 58075674
+>>58075629
+Java is not a low level language and should never be used as such, but it isn't as slow as many people believe
+--- 58075693
+>>58075636
+>C++ GC is any better
+I didn't say that C++ is any better, I just mentioned that memory leaks are not really a problem in modern standarts.
+I would say that nowdays ugly template meta-programming and inhereted access vulnerabilities are most noticeable problems.
+--- 58075747
+>>58072091
+>worries about the "soul" of a tool designed to kill Russians as efficiently as possible
+Retard
+--- 58075748
+>>58069668 (OP)
+The old Rapier control unit was a box with lightbulbs indicating the direction of the aircraft, and literally just that. The modern unit introduced in late 90's not only replaced with a computer display for the radar showing actual position, altitude and speed, but also the ability to mark safe lanes for friendly aircraft that the system would refuse to shoot at to prevent friendly fire.
+--- 58075778
+>>58072151
+No, it's a subjective statement regarding aesthetics. It has meaning.
+--- 58075789
+>>58075674
+Doesn't much of its "slowness" come from shitty enterprise frameworks that wrap everything in dozens of layers of dynamically generated virtual method calls? That was probably the only way to make those shitty bean libraries somewhat ergonomic to use, but nothing in existence can execute that garbage efficiently.
+The Java Virtual Machine can be extremely fast when running code that does not resemble typical Java code at all.
+The software in actual weapon systems is probably not built out of spring-boot-startup-time-exponentializer or some shit like that. I hope.
+--- 58075837
+>>58072269
+>These systems should be manned by commissioned officers at *minimum*.
+The Russian military agrees. That's why 23% of its personnel are commissioned officers.
+--- 58076091
+>>58075748
+Lol
+--- 58076113
+>>58073703
+>>58074557
+Hell, guys. Until 2009, our ICBMs used 8-inch floppy disks. You're just lucky the Patriot doesn't run off of Jacquard Loom punch cards.
+--- 58076175
+>>58072269
+>commissioned officers at *minimum*.
+It goes:
+Private Soldiers
+Non-Commissioned Offices
+Warrant Officers
+Commissioned Officers
+Regnant Officers (picrel)
+--- 58076195
+>>58073703
+>The entire interface is coded in fucking Java. Not Javascript. Basic bitch Java.
+java and javascript have nothing to do with each other. and frankly it would be much more alarming to have a weapon system written in javascript
+--- 58076259
+>>58073703
+Your entire phone is written in Java.
+
+>>58076195
+This.
+--- 58076295
+>>58075747
+Efficiency is no excuse for a lazy disregard for aesthetics. At least make the interior lighting red so it looks like a submarine.
+--- 58076319
+>>58070076
+neato
+--- 58076341
+>>58072269
+Diogenes is my spirit animal.
+--- 58076346
+>>58075789
+It comes from a lot of things, but ultimately the JVM is one more obstacle between the hardware and the code and it will always be slower from that. Oracle has focused on big JVM speed improvements for awhile now, but Java also is shit for licensing and that scares off plenty of folks alone
+--- 58076352
+>>58073703
+>he thinks Javascript would be more appropriate than Java
+Actual retard.
+--- 58076363
+>>58072269
+>>58076341
+He was the only Ancient Greek philosopher who wasn't afraid to get his dick out in public.
+--- 58076365
+>>58076259
+Lol no it's not dipshit. Android makes use of a ton of low level c/c++.
+--- 58076370
+>>58071018
+you can also use a keyboard and mouse like some kind of RTS if touchscreens aren't your style.
+--- 58076391
+>>58074722
+Why am I seeing a smiling alien in the big display?
+What kind of devil machine is this?
+--- 58076397
+>>58076175
+>Private Soldiers
+What, like mercenaries?
+>>58076195
+What, you don't trust an engine that needs a dictionary to navigate data equivalence?
+--- 58076406
+>>58076365
+Yeah fair I gave J*va a bit too much credit there. It's not good enough even for consoomer toys.
+--- 58076407
+>>58075674
+The code C1 produces I can read, it's a very straight forward machine code. Basically if you write better code, it will run faster. C2 is like the crazy brother of C1 but it makes shitty java code run suprisingly fast but you cannot read it no longer. The biggest problem of java are all the shitty coders writing slow code. And with slow code is like algorithms so unoptimized, it's mind boggling.
+--- 58076413
+>>58076259
+>Your entire phone is written in Java
+Get the fuck out of here oracle, API and function structure/naming does NOT equate to implementation
+--- 58076429
+Pff, I bet half of this isn't even running a Linux distribution. I'm bowing out my fellow /g/entoomen
+--- 58076434
+>>58075375
+no one's using smart pointers nor disregarding allocations in real-time systems
+--- 58076435
+>>58076413
+The insinuation was that J*va is the reason modern dumbphones are shit compared to glorious symbians with physical keyboards.
+Also >>58076406
+--- 58076473
+>>58076346
+Did you know that printf() and cout<< has the same runtime in modern implementations?
+You wouldn't think so because one is a (theoretically) low level function and the other is a one level higher implementation as a stream with memory sections, pipes and access control, but it's true.
+The truth is that all the language we use is so abstracted - JVM or otherwise - that basic assumptions about how they're implemented can be wildly inaccurate to the reality of actual runtime.
+--- 58076604
+>>58076473
+This is a wildly unquantifiable statement. All compiled languages will be closer to hardware than interpreted. Yes we have closed a lot of gaps, but in general speed comes from well written code combo'd with far smarter folks writing tools to optimize it for you. Modern hardware does a lot of heavy lifting to make life easier.
+--- 58076795
+>>58076346
+True. Though if you write Java in a very specific way, the VM's JIT might spit out about the same machine code as a decent fast C compiler.
+Some applications that absolutely need consistent performance for key tasks (but can't fall back to native code) use tricks like allocating large arrays of primitives, addressing them like stacks and sticking to simple loops and integer/float math. Code like this can execute at native-ish speeds after the JIT has had a chance to warm up.
+Incidentally, these are operations the Java bytecode has specific instructions for.
+As soon as you start writing so-called idiomatic Java, that perf goes out the window and soon most of the JVM's CPU time is spent chasing pointers in its garbage collector.
+--- 58076816
+>>58076397
+"Private soldier" covers the junior enlisted (in the US Army everything between Private E-1 and Specialist, but not Corporal which a non-commissioned rank).
+--- 58076882
+>>58074560
+>technology Russia can't produce anymore
+
+Judging by what we've seen recently, I'd say you're probably right. My question is, how did it come to this? If they once had the capability, what happened to cause them to lose it?
+--- 58076947
+>>58076882
+>what happened to cause them to lose it?
+The dissolution of the Soviet Union
+--- 58076953
+>>58076947
+go on
+--- 58077023
+>>58076953
+That's all there is to it.
+
+Much of soviet technology was produced in puccia's vassal states.
+Right before the war, Ukraine literally maintained much of puccia's Black Sea fleet and some of their ICBMs.
+--- 58077055
+>>58076816
+No one ever has used that term to refer to lower enlisted in the entire history of the American military or the English language.
+--- 58077568
+>>58077055
+--- 58077582
+>>58077055
+>>58077568
+fuck wrong image
+--- 58077761
+>>58077582
+right image
+--- 58078819
+>>58076175
+>Regnant Officers (picrel)
+For a second there I thought you said "Pregnant Officers"
+--- 58079718
+>>58077055
+--- 58079764
+>>58073031
+It's lined with tinfoil.
+He chose this way of life.
+--- 58079769
+>>58077055
+>>58079718
+--- 58079786
+>>58079769
+>1909
+>UK
+
+yes, perfectly relevant
+--- 58079799
+>>58077055
+--- 58079800
+>>58076391
+I see a smiling pig-like face, I bet the hohol biolab mutants are behind this.
+--- 58079808
+>>58074722
+what did the US equivalent at the time look like?
+--- 58079819
+>>58079786
+--- 58079822
+>>58075320
+Sounds perfect for my autism, honestly.
+--- 58079883
+>>58079786
+--- 58079908
+>>58072269
+>overly engineered dogshit where field repairs are absolutely impossible
+
+Field repairs should be confined to replacing line replaceable units and repair of harness, mounts and other such items. Works fine for aircraft (including avionics back shop).
+
+What horrid shit were you afflicted with?
+--- 58079937
+>>58079786
+--- 58079974
+>pictures of tank battle sights in action are incredibly rare
+miniaturization is a hell of a drug
+the M60A3 turned a ballistic computer the size of an espresso machine down to a mr coffee coffe machine while also adding a digital display and the ability to show numbers on the screen so your attention isnt divided
+
+the soviet mechanical computer was still about the same size, just hooked up to a laser rangefinder and working much faster 
+the hard part is that you still have to swap eyes between dials and the screen to make sure everything is in order
+
+really shows how far electronics in the west started to outpace the soviets, the only comparable device they had was on the T-64B
+--- 58080153
+>>58073703
+>Javascript
+yeah, say what you want about java - but at least it won't try to add a number to a word and not even have the decency to tell you shit is completely fucked.
+--- 58080161
+>>58079974
+My favorite part of the T-72 fire control computer is that the housing for the LRF had very high tolerances so the LRF aiming spot for every tank was different since you installed the LRF and then had to put a dot on the optic where the LRF was pointing at.
+--- 58080167
+>>58075540
+>It's slower.
+--- 58080445
+>>58075595
+Even with UAVs java can pop up sometimes once you step away from the flight control stuff. Back in college I talked with a guy from General Atomics who was looking for Java devs to write code for some sort of predator drone payload. 
+
+>>58076195
+The most terrifying phrase I have ever heard professionally was a talk I went to at work where a high level engineer stated with 100% sincerity
+>I think the future of shipboard combat systems is full stack javascript
+--- 58080491
+>>58074817
+>>58074805
+>>58074939
+>>58075173
+are you all special ed or has std::shared_ptr not reached the Indian curriculum yet?
+--- 58080748
+>>58077055
+What the fuck do you think the rank of “private” is?
+--- 58080772
+>>58080445
+>shipboard combat systems is full stack javascript
+ah who gives a crap at this point, in 20 years we'll be lighting candles in front of mainframes and chanting incantations to the ai gods anyways. let the botards deal with it.
+--- 58080780
+>>58069713
+>you will never degauss your radar monitor on a regular basis
+
+I genuinely don't understand how zoomies even fucking live without knowing the pleasure of degaussing a CRT after running a huge magnet across the screen.
+--- 58080855
+>>58071057
+I understood that reference
+--- 58080869
+>>58080780
+No one born after 1650 got to experience the peak fire control sovl that was the combination poleaxe/gunner's quadrant.
+
+>The dial is shaped like an axe blade and is balanced by a hammer face on the opposite side of a quadrangular socket. 
+>A pivoted pointer or pendulum marks the degrees of elevation on a quadrant etched on the edge of the dial, this being calibrated from 1 to 12 and from 1 to 10 outwards from the centre. 
+>The staff of rectangular section, is strengthened with steel strips running full length, these being etched with divisions headed BLEI, EISEN, STEIN, SLAGGEN, giving the diameter of lead, iron, stone and slag shot for a given weight. 
+>The ferrule at the base of the staff has a flange cut with a V-shaped notch while the neck of the hammer face which backs the dial is pierced with a longitudinal hole to form a peep sight. The gunner sighted the target through the peep sight using the notch in the ferrule as a fore sight, the elevation being read off the scale, presumably by an assistant. The staff was then placed in the bore of the gun which was elevated until the pointer registered the same elevation on the quadrant
+https://collections.royalarmouries.org/object/rac-object-20915
+--- 58080892
+>>58075475
+I’m a principal engineer and most of my work has been in scientific computing, system software, and simulation. Now I’m working on custom rending engine forked from O3DE. And you’re a fucking midwit. Smart pointers have nothing to do with garbage collection. Moreover, C++ has far more flexibility for memory management. Most high performance software including virtually every game engine not to mention all your graphics drives use custom allocators which are each highly optimized specific use cases. This isn’t really a problem in terms of difficulty either since most of these are published, including some packaged in nice libraries. Also, performance when not IO-bound is still an order of magnitude higher with C++. Any of the things I mentioned would be at least 10x slower in Java. If anything is a possible substitute for C++ when performance matters, it’s Rust (but I prefer exceptions for error handing and you can’t change my mind). Yet another thing that makes Java shit is that it forces you into a narrow interpretation of OO programming, whereas C++ is a multi-paradigm language. Indeed, it’s not difficult to use things like template metaprogramming to create domain-specific languages right in your code. Modern C++ also has a much better concurrency model than Java and the ever growing standard library never sacrifices performance for its new features. Now some cretinous imbecile like you might claim that performance doesn’t matter as much as ease of use. That’s why we have overwrought frameworks built upon other inefficient frameworks built with shitty languages and websites that bring your browser tabs to a crawl with functionality that is 10% fancier than what ran faster on a 10x slower machine a decade ago. It’s because of the cunty opinions of kike nigger faggots like you. Now go seethe, cope, dilate etc.
+--- 58080929
+>>58080869
+Now this is tacticool.
+--- 58080945
+>>58069668 (OP)
+<disables all ur missile base
+pfft, nothin personal earthling
+--- 58080948
+>>58070285
+>>58070316
+>>58075320
+Giant, overly complex machines like these activate my autism. I wouldn't mind operating them all day.
+--- 58080966
+>>58073169
+that's a load of shit, my Iphone can barely scroll through twitter without shitting its self and you're gonna tell me the lowest bidder digital touch screen bullshit is going to work in combat better than some buttons
+--- 58081003
+>>58080892
+>scientific computing, system software, and simulation
+yeah cool story bro, but i sleep much sounder on a plane running on java spaghetti than some c++ autistry. that doesn't mean i want everything to run on java, right tool for the job and all.
+
+>functionality that is 10% fancier than what ran faster on a 10x slower machine a decade ago
+that's the fault of users for being fucking spineless animals, if you don't complain about getting shit shoved in your face - you shouldn't be surprised when you get extra-rancid shit shoved in your face next.
+--- 58081017
+>>58080948
+Then the era of electromechanical naval fire control computers would be perfect for you.
+--- 58081034
+>>58080948
+>>58081017
+The Mark1A computer is so user friendly that continuously updating the input data can be performed by a mere seven or eight men.
+--- 58081049
+>>58081034
+kek
+impressive
+--- 58081073
+F-35 uses rust btw and you're all gay
+--- 58081086
+>>58081049
+dumb fact, the japanese needed 7 men to do the calculations for the rangekeeper alone
+thats a huge amount of manpower saved by switching to electricity
+
+the machine also doesnt get tired over time
+after an hour of doing math during evasive maneuvers youre bound to forget to carry the one
+--- 58081315
+>>58080966
+>my Iphone can barely scroll through twitter without shitting its self 
+That's Elon's fault not your phone
+--- 58081323
+>>58081003
+>right tool for the job and all
+There’s not a single job where Java isn’t a worse choice than some other language. If it’s not performance critical and you insist on garbage collection and other handholding, then still something like C# is a far better language than Java. And this is not bias due to unfamiliarity. I’ve only used Rust a bit but can appreciate that it’s a good language. But I have 18 years C++ experience and 5 each of Java and C# and a couple each of Python and Javascript. Aside from Javascript, Java is the worst language. C# is basically what Java should have been
+--- 58081336
+>>58081315
+Actually it’s this faggot’s fault for using twatter in the first place
+--- 58081410
+>>58081086
+The word "computer" has been around since the 1630s, but the first time anyone used the word to describe a machine was in 1897.
+Automation cost those seven hardworking computers their jobs, Now the computers will have to worry about how their going to pay the bills. What are the computers supposed to tell their wives when they get home? "Sorry honey, but computers are obsolete and they don't need me anymore." And won't someone think of the computers' children!

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@@ -33,8 +33,6 @@ Rules of Cangen:
 Previously: >>58060560 →
 --- 58070494
 First for Wexit.
---- 58070545
-second for wexitroons won't do shit besides seethe and shit their pants
 --- 58070596
 >>58070545
 >t. butthurt ontariofag who wants the rest of canada to suffer as he does.
@@ -42,8 +40,1190 @@ You know you can move, right?
 --- 58070640
 >>58070596
 It's ausmidget being butthurt, don't reply to him.
---- 58070895
-Conservatives: 
->we stand for law and order!
+--- 58071703
+GM frens. I’m going to buy some gun parts today I think.
+--- 58072075
+>>58071703
+Very nice. What parts fren? 
+I just got a primary arms scope. Very nice
+--- 58072213
+get ratfucked, finfag.
+--- 58072350
+>>58070494
+Yeah
+--- 58072364
+>>58071703
+What parts?
+--- 58072374
+>>58070640
+I would do unspeakably romantic and gentle things to megu
+--- 58072510
+Runkle of the Bailey talking about the C-21 Amendments.
 
-Also conservatives:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRNCrJjYPeY [Embed]
+--- 58072580
+>>58072553
+Don't start with me anon
+
+>not today
+--- 58072612
+>>58072553
+Cool story bro
+--- 58072781
+>>58072510
+Didn’t he win a gundie award?
+--- 58072785
+>>58072781
+stollen from reddit
+--- 58072972
+bought these 3 for 200 bucks a few days ago, i been posting them just not together. I think i did pretty good finding that deal c:
+--- 58073067
+>>58072972
+That's a great deal if they all work, what calibre is the shotgun?
+--- 58073092
+>>58073067
+yeah I took the cooey and Squires Bingham M16 to the range and the shotgun is 12g. Havent shot them yet due to me not having ammo thats allowed at my range. I bought a box of clay disks and fuck ton of target ammo. Gonna have some fun on the weekend.
+--- 58073125
+>>58072972
+You have a poorfag 17yo’s arsenal from 1990, nice score especially for $200. The squires bingham is a goofy gun but still fun to plink with.
+--- 58073172
+>>58073125
+based picture anon. I got my expensive guns but i think im just having too much fun with cheap 12g target load and 22lr. I also found out the cooey model 60 can take 22lr, 22 short and 22 long. What is 22 long? Never heard of it, any anons wana help a fren out?
+--- 58073202
+Any good surplus stores in downtown toronto? Or is it all airsoft tier?
+--- 58073219
+>>58073092
+That's tight, I fell in love with single shot 12 gauges after Dave Canterbury's 20th century longhunter videos. Peak innawoods comfiness, especially with our furtrading history.
+--- 58073223
+>>58073172
+lol, 22 Long is just 22LR, but black powder. They're essentially interchangable, though 22 long has been 99.99% replaced with just 22LR
+--- 58073258
+>>58073125
+
+>When the geese have UAVs and predator missiles
+--- 58073260
+>>58073202
+I fucking hate it when i go to a surplus store and they are just some shitty ass stores who previously had surplus stuff and just use the name. Ive only been to a few. ABC surplus in Kitchener is alright, alot of repo stuff but it still had some cool stuff. Anything you where looking for or just gonna browse? I know u said Toronto but im just tryina help :) 
+>>58073219
+Confirmed based
+>>58073223
+Thanks anon :) 
+
+Here is a updated picture of the little nigger squire with a RDS. Cost me nothing to put it on because it was all spare parts. I want to put a 4x scope on it but it mounts a bit too high, good if i had a cheek rest but I dont know anything thatd work on that kinda stock. Any suggestions? I just use this for bench plinking off my deck when im at my cottage
+--- 58073280
+>>58073260
+here it is with the scope and feet for you guys to cum to. There is the original rear sight thing, no front sight so its useless unless i buy a new one.. fuck that. It came with that crusty sling to
+--- 58073284
+>>58073258
+
+Tunnels, caves, dressing in plainclothes
+
+Neutralizes aerial support and massive forces
+
+They cannot find you, bomb you, let alone identify you
+
+You have to make it logistically impossible for them to eradicate the insurgency
+--- 58073294
+>>58073223
+oh so thats why one of my super old .22s had a pitted barrel
+--- 58073512
+>>58073223
+.22 Long is just a longer case with the same bullet as .22 short.
+It was and still is commonly loaded with smokeless.
+--- 58073796
+.22 short is superior
+--- 58073904
+>>58073260
+I just wanted to browse and see if I can find some cool stuff. I'll be in toronto specifically for a friend of mine so I was wondering if there is anything I go to while I am there.
+--- 58074069
+>>58073172
+.22 long is a .22 long rifle case loaded with smokeless that uses a .22 short bullet (usually 29gr). CCI and Aguila still makes it sometimes. CB longs are super fun and quiet not that anyone should shoot guns in their basement as that would be illegal. 
+>>58073223
+Not even close. Confident ignorance is the worst. 
+>>58073512
+Based and correct. 
+>>58073260
+You could carve some foam and wrap it on to the wire with textured tape, it’d look awful but at least work.
+--- 58074079
+>>58072075
+>>58072364
+Glock extended slide releases primarily maybe a few other things
+--- 58074101
+>>58073904
+If you like electronics, there is a crazy surplus store that has industrial equipment and old military electronics. Its not right in downtown Toronto, its in the metro area. The guy is a dick though, his google reviews are hilarious.
+Electronic Surplus Industries
+53 Sheffield St, North York, ON M6M 3E5
+--- 58074331
+Is tactikettle training worth it for the muscle and accuracy gains?
+--- 58074455
+looks like we are stuck on the 180 and sks platform for 2 years or less
+thats what poly is seething about in c21
+it only bans guns made after its enforced
+--- 58074513
+>>58074101
+>Kevin was a virgin when he came in but not when he left
+Ffs lmfao that's implying something completely different than what he was going for. I can't
+--- 58074550
+>>58074516
+Stfu I experienced it differently
+--- 58074573
+>>58074516
+Have you ever considered that people you have a casual relationship with are not gonna tell your their health problems? 
+
+I personally was forced to get the vax and ive been experiencing brain fog and IBS like symptoms which were well documented side effects.
+--- 58074604
+>>58074516
+Most people seem to know at least a couple cases of people facing sudden and unexplained medical issues pot jab.
+They will never be forthcoming with accurate data on this, not for 20 years at least. So this debate is, and will always be hearsay and speculation. Better get used to it.
+--- 58074615
+>>58074513
+>Ffs lmfao that's implying something completely different than what he was going for. I can't
+His grasp on the language is weak, but he makes up for it with his insults. Ive gone there twice during business hours and both times it was closed lmfao.
+One of those Toronto free magazines wrote an article about the guy/store a few years back.
+--- 58074635
+>>58074331
+Sure. Why not. Though it is still important to put time at the range.
+--- 58074701
+>>58074635
+I tend to avoid the range because I've been made fun of for my kit. Same reason why I haven't taken a CPR course yet, which is that I really don't want people scrutinizing me for 'trying to look like a paramedic'
+--- 58074706
+>>58072510
+I find Runkle way too passive on his views on stuff sometimes, but he said what CGN boomers and some others don't seem to understand. There is still nothing good about this. Boomers love now thinking, "well I got mine, and they aren't getting banned!" Except they want to form an entire committee of Poly-type retards that, in 5 years when the bill gets reviewed, will still try to ban everything in existence.
+--- 58074718
+>>58074701
+Stop being weird and everything will be fine.
+--- 58074721
+>>58074701
+>giving a fuck about what other people think of you
+What are you, 18?
+--- 58074770
+>>58074718
+>>58074721
+He types like furfag tbqh.
+--- 58074798
+>>58074718
+>>58074721
+I know boys I'm a bit rarted
+
+>>58074770
+Don't compare me to that airsoft loving, bow 'wish I could shoot it' degen
+--- 58074816
+>>58074798
+Then don't act like him, anon. Just don't be remarded in public and you'll be fine. 
+Take classes if you want to. Go to the range if you want to. But don't attract negative attention like furfag. Basically don't have "main character syndrome". Just go about your day like a normal person
+--- 58074826
+what's a good lpvo to put on the g36?
+--- 58074840
+>>58074701
+what do you even mean by this?
+do you go to the range in full larp gear? why even do that?
+--- 58074844
+>>58074826
+budget?
+--- 58074859
+>>58074844
+idk like $500ish?
+--- 58074874
+>>58074859
+Burris RT-6
+--- 58074875
+>>58074859
+Primary arms is close to your budget
+--- 58074896
+>>58074859
+Primary Arms are good, I run one on my SG-542. Good gun and if it can hold up to the recoil of 7.62 NATO that's overgassed to heck, it can handle .223
+--- 58074903
+>>58074859
+Does your G36 have the rail with the flip up sights? If so I would just get an Aimpoint Pro and low mount to co-witness with the irons.
+--- 58075093
+>>58074903
+yes but the flip up sights aren't particularly practical
+>>58074896
+is it's 0x truly 0x? i am a both eyes open guy
+--- 58075107
+>>58075093
+It's always good to have backup irons in an emergency.
+--- 58075114
+>>58074816
+Got it, thanks for that.
+>>58074840
+I figure what's the point in having gear if not to train with? To each their own. I'm showing up in full kit again next time and just gonna ignore the idiots with their comments
+--- 58075135
+>>58075093
+I use it as such. It's good for aiming with both eyes open. 
+I like mine. Check out "C_does" on youtube - he has first person videos with each of the PA LPVO reticles. I personally like the ACSS reticle with the chevron and rangefinder, but to each their own. the K.I.S.S reticle seems to be one of the best ones for close quarters.
+--- 58075137
+>>58075093
+no LPVO is truly 0x, but they're usable. Both eyes ops works even on 3x, though not comfortably.
+--- 58075218
+>>58075137
+I use both eyes at 27 power
+--- 58075258
+>>58075135
+>>58075137
+ok that sounds not too bad then
+>>58075218
+holy based
+>>58075114
+>I figure what's the point in having gear if not to train with?
+do that innawoods, why would you need to do that at the range? are you literally autistic?
+--- 58075269
+>>58075258
+>holy based
+left eye is for target acquisition and for watching the bubble level. right eye is for aiming. its takes a bit of practice but its not too hard when you get the hang of it
+--- 58075359
+>>58074701
+>Same reason why I haven't taken a CPR course yet, which is that I really don't want people scrutinizing me for 'trying to look like a paramedic'
+Literally nobody has ever done this to anyone, ever. Just don't come wearing reflective stripe pants and an EMT hat if you don't want to look like a wannabe. 12 year old girls have this course to babysit ffs get over yourself.
+--- 58075410
+>>58074701
+>Same reason why I haven't taken a CPR course yet, which is that I really don't want people scrutinizing me for 'trying to look like a paramedic'
+Nigga what? Don't tell me you actually play dress up to go to a basic CPR course isn't of just wearing normal clothes
+--- 58075433
+Any of you guys ever used Athlon scopes? They seem to get very good reviews and are cheaper than equivalent Vortex or other more popular brands
+--- 58075448
+>>58075433
+No but I seen wolverine start shilling them hard in the last few years
+--- 58075449
+>>58075433
+Don't cheap out. You'll end up spending more in the long run with shitty equipment.
+--- 58075485
+>>58075449
+Speaking of cheaping out, I got the Vector Frenzy that some Anon recommended a few days ago. 
+I was only interested in it for night vision compatibility for the off chance of passive aiming and it seems to be fine so far.
+--- 58075524
+>>58075485
+At least it's not a fuckin Pinty
+--- 58075576
+>>58075410
+this is such a funny bit. Pull up to the cpr course in full paramedic kit. Even funnier would be a combat medic getup.
+--- 58075615
+>>58074826
+LPVO and g36 go hard and vortex gets my vote
+--- 58075651
+>>58075615
+what model?
+--- 58075695
+>>58075615
+is the scope is touching the rail wtf
+--- 58075744
+>>58075485
+Do you have NV anon? If you can afford NV you can afford a decent dot.
+--- 58075755
+FInally, a use for LAR9 magazines.
+You can gorilla glue them baseplate to baseplate for a pseudo-20rd stick
+--- 58075760
+>>58075755
+QRD?
+--- 58075773
+>>58074721
+--- 58075774
+>>58075755
+>>58075760
+Maybe the new PSA guns? They're remaking a bunch of antique guns in more modern calibers.
+--- 58075791
+>>58075773
+Literally me.
+--- 58075824
+>>58074721
+The only reason you don't care is because everyone only has shit opinions about you. It's a sour grapes kind of thing. 
+>I-I don't care what they think of me! I didn't want them to have any modicum of r-respect for me anyway!
+--- 58075881
+What is the court cases likely outcome? I'm worried that this new boomerfudd council being announced will fuck us beyond belief if the judge doesn't rule in our favor.
+--- 58075887
+>>58075744
+I keep better dots on my handguns. I don't expect to get much mileage out of any piggyback red dot since I only need it there for NV use. I much prefer using lasers with NV anyway. 
+>>58075760
+>>58075774
+Scuffed 9mm FG-42.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-ue_O7oJX8 [Embed]
+--- 58075894
+>>58075881
+Bro it's been three years since the first OIC, and they haven't even announced a buyback, despite saying "We will do it this summer!" in 2020. 
+In the same vein, they literally won't do shit. This council will probably never even happen lel. 
+We won.
+Poly Lost.
+--- 58075905
+>>58075485
+This is relevant to my interests, with picrel setup I cannot manage to get a correct passive aiming with nods.
+--- 58075921
+>>58075824
+You're quite right; I should always modulate my appearance and behaviour to suit the social expectations of whoever may be in my immediate vicinity.
+--- 58075924
+>>58075905
+I don't think you can look through a 45 degree offset red dot with nods. Piggyback works well because it is super high up, though you get a shit cheek weld which is why I would never passive aim unless it's some emergency.
+--- 58075938
+what are the chances we get some decent gun options back? Assuming we get funny hair man out of office, how long would it take to revert the last few decades of damage? Apologies if this is a tard question, I'm new.
+--- 58075957
+>>58075938
+If you're new, and I'm not saying this to be a dick, just saying this because we get this question way too fucking often: LURK MORE
+Post guns. 
+There are still plenty of great options available, and even more will be available to us as soon as July.
+--- 58075960
+>58075524
+JANNY CLEAN IT UP
+--- 58075978
+>>58075960
+nah that ain't finfag. I understand the PTSD though, anon. I still can't read posts with "!" in them anywhere without wincing. 
+Finfag would try and CONVINCE people to buy one of those dogshit scopes
+--- 58075979
+>>58075924
+I can manage to align the nods with the offset optic, I even see the glow of the dot but I just can't get anything in focus even after trying everything with the adjustment on the nods. One of the main issue is that I'm retarded, that's a big factor.
+--- 58075988
+>>58075979
+Does that red dot even support NV? What is it exactly?
+--- 58075989
+>>58075957
+Sounds good. I've seen some pretty interesting setups over the few days I've spent here. I guess I may as well be patient make the best of what the current situation, it seems like we have some pretty unique options compared to the US.
+--- 58076014
+>>58075989
+Do you have a PAL?
+--- 58076039
+>>58075894
+Sure but my point is that the feds are creating insurmountable odds. The damage created may be too big to reverse in one or two conservative terms.
+--- 58076045
+>>58076014
+no, soon though
+--- 58076055
+>>58075978
+not fin fag. i just want to know what the problem with them is
+--- 58076080
+>>58076055
+hes a demorailzation fed the government sent to harass us. all he does is spam nonsense.
+--- 58076082
+>>58076039
+No, they literally aren't, lmfao. 
+Don't be a doomer. They literally haven't done shit, and will continue to not do shit. 
+The PMO just had a bunch of people step down to move into campaign-readiness mode. The liberals are going to call an election, and they are literally throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks with voters right now. They won't do shit. I fucking promise you. 
+>>58076045
+Get PAL, then come back. Noguns aren't welcome here, sorry bud.
+>>58076055
+Dogshit chinesium. Amazog shit. Stay away at all costs.
+--- 58076084
+>>58075988
+Vortex crossfire, 2 NV settings.
+--- 58076119
+>>58076082
+>Dogshit chinesium. Amazog shit. Stay away at all costs.
+ok. you have convinced me
+--- 58076127
+>>58076084
+Maybe try mounting it further up like in front of the LPVO.
+--- 58076178
+>>58076082
+I don't understand their push for election right now when they're down in the polls.
+--- 58076207
+>>58076082
+Sorry, I don't mean to be a doomer. I try to stay positive but it's been difficult.
+--- 58076233
+>>58076178
+They must be forecasting that they will be even lower in the polls if they wait until the end of term.
+--- 58076307
+>>58075989
+>>58076045
+Get your PAL asap, you never know what bullshit is going to be pulled next. I regret that it toom me as long as it did to get mine
+--- 58076401
+Marstar sells a 3D printed SKS recoil buffer set for $20 but I just copied the design and made it myself, if anyone wants the STL file I can share it. I absolutely hate when people sell 3D printed products. Like nigga put some effort into it
+--- 58076431
+>>58076084
+*NV compatible
+That isn’t exactly a good dot in the daytime. If you’re trying to use it in the real dark and it’s still blooming out, you may just be restricted to using it in brighter conditions. Alternatively, you are trying to focus the dot, you’re not supposed to, you should be focusing through the dot. Just adjust the focal pense of your NVD to the distance you actually want to see and then look through the optic.
+--- 58076442
+>>58070467 (OP)
+The only weapon I need is my Holy Rosary 
+
+https://youtu.be/W_kKIibHuf0 [Embed]
+--- 58076459
+>>58076307
+>>58076082
+got it, I'll get the process started in a few days.
+--- 58076483
+those on sks rifles sold out quick. is there a real big announcement around the corner or something?
+--- 58076486
+>>58076442
+Guns aren't inherently weapons. I use mine for hunting and target shooting. I pray my Rosary daily as well, but in the fallen world we still must toil, and I still have to put food on the plates of my children. 
+Besides, we can't expect God to do all the work.
+--- 58076502
+>>58076442
+the pope is a jew
+--- 58076539
+Thread theme 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE [Embed]
+--- 58076559
+>>58076459
+Definitely, it will probably take a couple months to get into the course, depending on where you live. Then there's the processing time
+--- 58076632
+>>58076559
+I'm looking at a local course and it says the cost is $380, is that normal?
+--- 58076644
+>>58076442
+>The only weapon I need is my Holy Rosary
+The last words of many a priest before their gold and nuns were carried off by Ch∧d Nørse Bvlls
+--- 58076671
+>>58076632
+yes
+--- 58076673
+>>58076632
+Found another one that's a bit under $250 that's only a few minutes away, I should probably go with this one eh?
+--- 58076763
+>>58076644
+--- 58076782
+alright cangen need some advice, I've recently done my pal and I'm about to send in the paperwork. I've been around firearms for 20 plus years and been shooting lots with frens, I have a few guns coming to me from an inheritance when I do get my license that are currently being held by family. I need recommendations on what else to get, so far I will have
+
+>Lee enfield no4 1943 production all original 
+>7mm spanish Mauser
+>norinco yj12-2 pump 12ga
+>toz17 russian. 22lr
+>cooey 840? single shot 12ga
+>cooey bolt action. 22lr single shot
+>mossberg maverick 88
+>some old semi mossberg .22lr
+>ancient Husqvarna exposed hammer sxs 12ga
+
+what else should I be saving for?
+--- 58076783
+>>58076673
+Yeah spend the extra $130 on ammo. Do you have any PAL/RPAL family members or friends? See if they'd be down to buy stuff on your behalf now and give it to you the day your card comes in the mail, that way you can take advantage of stock and sales before everything inevitably gets worse.
+--- 58076796
+>>58076782
+Sounds like you've got milsurp, plinkers, hunting and maybe a HD shotgun all covered there. That's a great starting point, contrats on the family guns btw those are the best kind.
+Next up I'd say SKS if poor, Type 81 if not poor. Lots of ammo to go with it so you can git gud, don't forget to build and maintain a healthy reserve.
+--- 58076805
+>>58076782
+id get rid of the single shot stuff, the 7mm mauser, husqvarna might keep as long as its 2.75" shells, some old ones are 2.5" which are no good these days
+--- 58076808
+>>58076782
+I'd say
+>keep the enfield
+>Unless you have sentimental value or really like it sell the Spanish Mauser
+>Sell the Norchinko shotgun
+>Sell either the toz17, mossberg .22 or Cooey single shot as you don't need three plinkers although they are both decent
+>Keep the mossberg maverick 88 unless you plan on upgrading to a proper mossberg 500 or 590
+>Husqvarna SxS, really up to you but unless you intend on shooting it often or it has sentimental value i would sell it.
+We've freed yourself up $1.5-$2k for you to go buy yourself something nice.
+--- 58076906
+Am I being retard for only having a type 97 gen 3, 2 SKS and a Hakim for semi autos?
+
+I haven’t had any issues with my t97 and I’ve used it in a few matches already
+--- 58076956
+>lsdfag is back from his 30 day vacation
+--- 58076998
+>58076975
+I like your swastikas but youre still a fag. Overdose and shut the fuck up forever
+--- 58077017
+>>58076956
+>>58076998
+aaaaand he's gone. 
+Nice. 
+Good fucking work janny holy shit.
+--- 58077020
+>>58076783
+unfortunately no, I would have gotten into this a lot earlier if anyone in my family was into it. That's a great idea though
+--- 58077041
+>>58076796
+sks is definitely on the list, maybe type 81 too. never handled an 81 so not sure if I'd like it. money is not a huge issue 
+>>58076805
+I'll never sell guns anon but thanks for the warning on the husky I didn't know that
+>>58076808
+the Mauser is sentimental and mint shape, I'll keep the mossy and maybe get a 590 too also want a good semi 12ga but like I told the other anon I'll never sell guns
+
+I'm at work right now but I'll be lurking until 11:30 whenever work is slow, what should I look at for a bolty boi I want to put glass on? thank you anons for the advice so far
+--- 58077110
+>>58077080
+Shut the fuck up. 
+Anyways I know this question has been asked a million times, but if the OIC is repealed which should I buy first? AR, VZ, STAG10 or XCR? And why?
+--- 58077134
+>>58077110
+Honestly its probably best to just see how the market goes. A lot of people will be selling as soon as its repealed (assuming it does) and I think you might be able to find guns at below their market price before the oic went in effect. Of course that prediction might be totally wrong, in which case I think it would be best for the market to stabalise and new stock of XCRs, VZs etc. to come in
+Assuming they ever actually import XCRs again, the rob arms guy is a total fag
+--- 58077156
+>>58077041
+Type 81 is ok, VZ was a lot better but it'll be a while before that's a choice for you again. If money isn't too big of a deal I'd say get the T81 but make sure you grab a few crates of 7.62 corrosive and set at least one aside.
+For a bolty the Savage 110 is solid and Cabela's has them for $800 pretty often. For a bit more then Tikka CTR is really nice. Unless you want to hunt beware the Axis/American/Lite and guns like that, thin barrels heat up fast when you're target shooting.
+For a scope Vortex is good and has a magnification and price to fit basically anyone's needs.
+--- 58077201
+>>58076763
+Based axe wielding, dress-wearing, balding virgin Norse-stomper.
+--- 58077209
+>>58077201
+Couldn't get digits like the BVLL sadly.
+--- 58077215
+>>58077134
+I feel like it's going to be revoked due to the wording of this new ban. It seems to imply that the government does not want to waste time trying to catch what's currently being manufactured, sold or otherwise already in circulation, which almost all oic nu-prohibs fall under. That and another anon pointed out it's been just over three years and no confiscation plan has been passed. 
+XCRs seem okay for the money and I'd like an NR that's not an AR that shoots 556, isn't stupid expensive and has a ton of parts availability. I'd like a siberian but it's too new.
+--- 58077229
+>>58077078
+fuck off finfag
+>>58077156
+leaning towards the tikkas but I'll check out savage 110 as well, I'm thinking vortex is a decent option. probably not going to hunt and probably won't shoot past 300 yards often
+--- 58077267
+>>58077229
+New guy from last thread here, would you be able to post your thoughts if you try out/get either of these? I'm interested in both of em
+--- 58077344
+>>58077267
+both will be accurate but the tikkas will be much nicer and hold better value
+--- 58077381
+>>58077267
+yeah for sure fren, though I'm going to be waiting on my license to get approved for a while, hopefully not too long tho. the savages I've handled in the past had kind of sloppy feeling bolts, I don't know if the newer ones are better. I've handled a tikka once but not shot it, seemed very nice
+--- 58077424
+>>58075894
+I wont call this a win. They are so retard that they literally ban the futur.
+
+Right now nobody care, but when some cool shit hit the market we wont be able to get it.
+
+Also this totally unbias councile will ask the gov to ban anything that look scary, and bypass the parliament.
+
+All they will have to do at this point is remove the little part saying you can keep your guns pre-c21. So in the end you wont be able to circumvent the law with new tech like portable railgun and laser.
+--- 58077439
+>>58076796
+>SKS if poor, Type 81 if also poor.
+Fixed.
+>>58077041
+>money is not a huge issue 
+Buy 2 or 3 Tavors, blessed by christ they are impervious to malfunction. and the last good modern gun that will make it into canada if this amendment passes.
+--- 58077459
+>>58077424
+Perfect Dark *sip*, now that was a game.
+--- 58077463
+>>58077439
+Say the amendment passes but the oic gets revoked, does it even matter? We won't see direct energy firearms, laser guns or any big advancement in firearms tech except for MAYBE things ala sig spear. So even then, AR15s, cold war era rifles and the rest, wouldn't we be fine?
+--- 58077478
+>>58077459
+It was fuckin phenomenal for its time
+--- 58077502
+>>58077463
+energy weapons aren't centrefire thus aren't effected by the future-ban in its current state.
+But still my point was to grab the best new/modern gun on the market while you still can, the future is uncertain, we dont know what the bans will looks like 1, 2 ,10 years in the future, all we know is now.
+--- 58077528
+>>58077502
+Well yeah but neither are tavors, valmets, type 81s, siberians and even the nu-prohibs. We won't see huge advancements in firearms technology except for the materials they're made of, so even if this amendment passes (which honestly it probably won't), it wouldn't matter for decades, probably even a hundred years.
+--- 58077555
+>>58077528
+Theres a pretty big difference between a tavor and a siberian, one you can trust with your life, the other...
+valmets and 81's may be 'fine' but they are not modern; mounting options, ergonomics, etc.
+--- 58077578
+>>58075114
+Everyone will just find out about your autism. People only dress in kit when they go to a tactical range, nobody in good mental health would go to a regular bench rifle range in kit. Wtf are you thinking
+--- 58077609
+>>58077578
+You will never get good with your kit if you don't train with it.
+--- 58077616
+>>58077609
+Sitting at ye olde deer rifle sight-in range while you sweat into your Condor chest rig isn't training, anon clearly said it's for tactical ranges.
+--- 58077640
+>>58077555
+What I'm trying to say is almost all semi autos that have been produced, are currently being produced and are already in people's hands will do us fine even if the amendment passes. It's such a poorly thought out amendment that only looks good and is only disastrous on paper as it currently stands. It doesn't do anything.
+--- 58077651
+>>58077578
+I do. Scares the fudds away too. They’re all sticklers for the rules, and they know I haven’t broken any by doing it, so they choose to just leave rather than try and rock the boat because that’s who they are
+--- 58077697
+>>58077651
+Boomers, fudds, nufudds and temporary gun owners need to be expelled from gun ownership and ranges. Only way to ensure guns exist hundreds of years from now
+--- 58077736
+Press M for Meow
+--- 58077767
+>>58077736
+M E O W
+E
+O
+W
+--- 58077801
+>>58077736
+More of a Fin man myself desu
+--- 58077825
+I hope in the next life I can shoot full autos alongside fox girls.
+--- 58077836
+>>58076401
+Not everyone has a 3d printer, nerd
+--- 58077863
+>>58077041
+It's ok to sell guns but don't see any of the inherited ones. Get an sks or type 81, maybe some sort of 5.56 rifle down the line.
+--- 58077884
+>>58077651
+Well obviously you do, you're autistic af.
+--- 58077922
+>>58077651
+>>58077697
+You 2 should bang, coupla fags
+--- 58077932
+>>58077609
+Are you gonna be an army man someday sunny?
+--- 58077942
+>>58077439
+if I get a tavor it will be my one overpriced tactical bullshittery rifle, are there any other options to consider? I'll be looking for a 180b as well but I probably won't be dragging it through the mud like I would with the tavor
+--- 58077973
+>>58077942
+The famae (not him I swear to god it's an honestly cool rifle), RDB, SL8, T97 are all viable but each have their own quirks.
+--- 58077981
+>>58077922
+Don't say that, there's literal homos in this general that might take you seriously.
+--- 58077988
+>>58077555
+Nice trips. Idk my T81 is pretty damn modern. Has a light, adjustable sopmod stock, an LPVO, and a handstop
+--- 58077991
+>>58077981
+I don't wanna live in rain-bow land
+--- 58077993
+>>58077836
+ESL?
+--- 58077994
+>>58077942
+>>58077973
+The end is near frens, don't halfass your primary rifle, min/maxing whatever little advantage you can get is King when to lose is literally to die.
+X95 is the only option.
+--- 58078006
+>>58077863
+all of the guns I mentioned are inherited, I might part with some if family wants to get into shooting or hunting but I'd rather keep everything because I don't have a space issue at the family farm where they'll be kept. 
+
+so far on my list to save for I have
+>sks (maybe multiple I just like them)
+>type 81 lmg
+>tikka or similar bolt action 
+>beretta 1301 or similar 
+>mossberg 590
+>180b
+>tavor or similar Gucci shit
+--- 58078028
+>>58077041
+God tiger stripe camo is so cool, i saw some of it on gunpost, might pick it up. I LOVE TIGER STRIPE 
+>>58077767
+Meow
+--- 58078031
+>>58077973
+fuck how could I forget the famae! thank you anon.
+it goes on this list>>58078006 as an alternative to the tavor
+--- 58078034
+>>58078006
+180b are a bit overpriced for what they are, could get a brand new x95 for less.
+--- 58078052
+>>58078028
+yeah I need some as well, I dropped about a grand earlier this year on surplus tho. got some British desert dpm and a bunch of alpenflage with various other gear
+--- 58078077
+>>58078034
+I want the 180b for different reasons than I'd want other 5.56 rifles but yes you're right
+--- 58078079
+>>58076401
+Qrd on SKS recoil buffers? Is this actually solving a problem? All the reviews claim it "slightly reduced recoil". One review even claimed that you can have damage shooting an unbuffered SKS after 100 rounds. I've fired both of mine several hundred with little evidence of wear inside the dust cover or on the recoil spring
+--- 58078094
+>>58078079
+what recoil
+--- 58078129
+>>58078052
+Some some gunpost, might have to
+--- 58078142
+>>58078079
+Useless garbage designed to separate fools from their money, rifle is fine.
+--- 58078179
+>>58078129
+Crown surplus sells full tiger stripe BDU sets at probably around the same price but it's new and you can choose the size.
+--- 58078194
+>>58078142
+I still want to try it in the name of science but I don't have a 3D printer and am not particularly willing to purchase a buffer.
+--- 58078215
+>>58078179
+Thanks anon, looks like they are out of the jacket in the gunpost ad and it looks like it would fit. Thanks though
+--- 58078232
+why is Hog hunting banned in Ontario?
+--- 58078247
+>>58078232
+Big Hog keeps its minions protected
+--- 58078253
+>>58078232
+Because ontario worships invasive and destructive pests of all flavours and species.
+--- 58078323
+>>58078232
+The govt doesn't trust you to do it, they hate their people, theyll wait till it's bad enough to cause an uproar then spend untold taxdollars hiring foreign professionals to do it.
+--- 58078331
+>>58077884
+and you’re a fuck who’s afraid of what complete strangers might thInk of him. Most of those strangers couldn’t give less of a fuck anyways and just brush it off. You are the only one here that seems to take particular offence to it.
+>>58077922
+What’s your obsession with gay men anon? You closeted or something?
+--- 58078367
+>>58077994
+No, I don’t think I will.
+>>58078232
+If we did that we wouldn’t have any provincial employees left.
+--- 58078417
+>>58078367
+Ok mr. 'got mine AR', but we were talking about whats actually still available.
+--- 58078423
+SAY HIS NAME
+--- 58078437
+>>58078323
+Where'd they hire those two ass clowns from lmao I would've done it for free
+--- 58078443
+>>58078423
+ADOLF HITLER
+--- 58078492
+>>58078423
+Jimmy "the Mountie Mauler" Roszko
+--- 58078499
+>>58078417
+What makes you think I’m one of those “got mine” types? Should I start tripfagging so people can see my schizoposts about minecrafting some duplicated items into a new chunk?
+>>58078437
+That’s what most status Indians look like these days. Everyone and their dog qualifies with the right paper trail and sob story. Hell, even I qualify and I’m the spitting image of an aryan. 
+>G0YS J4
+wdhmbt?
+--- 58078505
+>>58078437
+>Where'd they hire those .. ass clowns from
+New Zealand apparently, lol
+>https://hakaimagazine.com/features/deer-wars-the-forest-awakens/
+--- 58078513
+>>58078417
+he is just some fed trying to encourage people here to do illegal activities by his own examples
+--- 58078528
+>>58078437
+>I would've done it for free
+'You dumb rednecks would just end up shooting eachother.' -the govt, probably.
+--- 58078555
+>>58078513
+I’m gonna molest you so bad you’d defend me at the trial.
+--- 58078560
+>>58078505
+If they were so insistent on making foreigners do it why wouldn't they just open some sort of safari-esque hunt where you have to pay to play instead they could've made a killing.
+--- 58078591
+>>58078505
+>expecting our government to try and. balance the books
+They don't care anon. All they know is how to outsource jobs to foreigners and hemorrhage money.
+--- 58078593
+Imagine not only living in torcongo but, also being a leafs fan hahahahaha, absolute fuckin disgrace
+--- 58078601
+>>58078591
+Whoops, meant for 
+>>58078560
+--- 58078633
+>>58078560
+But anon, that wouldn't be this fast an efficient 
+>The dogs cornered their quarry in the forest or drove them onto the beach to be picked off from the boats, while stragglers that sought refuge in inaccessible terrain were sniped from helicopters.
+--- 58078670
+>>58078593
+imagine not only caring about sports, but also caring about which teams other people support 
+nigga you gay
+--- 58078672
+>>58078633
+Hell provide lodging, flights, gun rental, give them a bag limit of 3-5, charge 3-4 grand per hunter, include a trophy / processing fee, ez peasy. Could've hired a bunch of n8s to facilitate and lodged everyone in teepees. Sail the hunters over on handmade canoes made from n8 craftsmen like fuck how hard would that have been could've just turned it into a perpetual business
+--- 58078693
+>>58077215
+I want an XCR in .308 since I dont feel like parting together a STAG10 or anything, out of the box I wanna be able to shoot shit and hunt
+--- 58078704
+>>58078593
+Is this tornontonigger in the room with us right now anon?
+--- 58078705
+>>58078693
+XCR-M is super front heavy.
+--- 58078725
+>>58078670
+>>58078704
+I have a few hundred against the leafs, it's about money for me faggots.
+--- 58078734
+>>58078672
+Seems they wanted to completely remove all deer from the southern end of haida, to create an "invasive-mamal-free zone", they also were killing all the rats.
+--- 58078751
+Any cangen bros do carnivore diet?
+--- 58078769
+>>58078751
+I eat ground beef and canned tuna every day
+--- 58078807
+>>58078751
+I only consume Monsantos most value brand goyslop sprinkled with extra msg.
+--- 58078837
+>>58078725
+then invest in silver or ammo you degenerate gambling addict
+>t. don't actually care but I rag on my boys who bet on sportsball so you get the same treatment
+--- 58078845
+>>58078837
+You must be a zoomer fag, we've been doing that since 9/11 lol. Must suck being a broke low test PuZZy
+--- 58078864
+>>58078751
+no but I'm thinking of trying it out. got a bit heavy now that I'm in my 30s. up to 203lbs and 5'9" now that I have an easy job that pays ok. time to switch up jobs and stop eating sugar
+--- 58078894
+>>58078845
+Listen here boomer, some of us were told enough to flip houses during the 2008 financial crisis OK? Some of us just got to suffer the repercussions of your fucking stupid gambling problems. now if you don’t mind I’m going to continue dual discipline slop/Debtmaxxing simultaneously so I can upgrade my rifle to thermal and my mono to dualies
+--- 58078901
+>>58078845
+nope I'm >>58078864 this guy, just never been into sports more of a camping and atv guy. most of my boys I grew up with are typical hockey fans who drive trucks and hunt but not into target shooting or collecting so I make fun of them for being normies
+--- 58079006
+>>58078894
+I am not a boomer. Just was blessed by God to be born in the early 90's, not too early to be a late boomer BBQ faggot, not to late to have been raised on electronics painted nail zoom fag. Where the fuck can you buy cap guns anymore?
+--- 58079028
+>>58079006
+>Where the fuck can you buy cap guns anymore?
+Every dollarama in the country
+--- 58079066
+>>58079028
+There are a few where I am and random chink dollar stores and none carry them.
+--- 58079125
+>>58079066
+Probably because the urban youth where you live use them for free gibsmedats
+--- 58079257
+>>58076906
+No, not a retard
+--- 58079280
+>>58076906
+How much for the Hakim?
+--- 58079290
+>>58078367
+Perhaps fair in that if you really wanted the best from your main rifle, then obv you should be looking into getting a smuggled in fullauto M4/M16 or similar.
+The main thing special about the jew guns is how good they are relative to how easy they are to obtain.
+--- 58079324
+>>58076782
+Your pal is going to take a while 
+>3-11 months 
+So buy things you don’t need a pal for 
+>a good safe 
+>good ear pro
+>reloading equipment, which you’re going to need if you want to shoot .303 British
+I would also save money for ammo and any cool guns you want other wise sounds like your pretty set from that inheritance unless you want a black rifle.
+--- 58079392
+>>58079006
+--- 58079429
+>>58079324
+>a good safe
+uggh gross, ive been putting that off for years now, i really want one but cant find one that ticks all the boxes for me enough to putoff buying more guns or ammo... 
+For now ive got a locked cabinet, more like an repurposed ikea-shit wardrobe. aswell as locking guns in thier softcases with luggagelocks.
+--- 58079531
+>>58079429
+the problem with gun safes is you will end up getting more and more guns to the point where they all cant fit in the safe anymore defeating the purpose of buying the safe in the first place
+--- 58079574
+>>58076084
+That dot is one half-step up from a $15 Aliexpress no-name airsoft toy. I wouldn't even waste my time with trying to get it to play nice with nods.
+--- 58079590
+>>58079531
+I think ill be fine with a 12-15gun safe, i dont intend to own any more than that as id like to keep my collection concise, refined. I dont buy guns that dont have a purpose, each fills a certain role/niche.
+--- 58079607
+>>58079590
+Lmao, my nigger, that is what literally every one of us said. When I got my PAL I thought I'd have a handgun, a shotgun, maybe two or three rifles tops. Now I'm cramming 24 guns into my 18-gun safe.
+--- 58079608
+>>58078807
+Cut your nails fag
+--- 58079623
+>>58072350
+>>58070494
+Yeah
+--- 58079630
+>>58079607
+Yeah fine i'll admit that that would probably happen, eventually, and i may just currently be coping with having limited funds, i cant just go out and buy everything i want right now, i put much thought into each purchase.
+--- 58079640
+>>58072972
+Honestly I love your .22, how well does it shoot and how accurate is it? 
+
+I realize it’s not the same as this one, same manufacturer though 
+
+Can’t go wrong with a Cooey, they have really nice triggers & will last generations.
+--- 58079644
+>>58073125
+>>58073172
+Needs to be mirrored because that is a non existent left handed SKS.
+Still a cool image
+--- 58079651
+>>58079630
+Of course, it doesn't happen all at once. It took more than a decade to get to this point for me. But if you're enough of a gun guy to be posting on /k/, then it's eventually inevitable
+--- 58079658
+>>58079630
+>i put much thought into each purchase.
+correction, i panik bought some shit i regret under duress of banhammer, niggers forced my hand, otherwise id like to think of my purchases aa well-thought-out.
+--- 58079669
+>>58079640
+>that image 
+lmao how have i never seen that? pretty obvious cry for help in hindsight I guess
+--- 58079670
+>>58079658
+That's another thing that we can all say. I only ever owned one handgun until they got serious about banning them, now I own three.
+--- 58079674
+>>58075107
+Yes.
+
+I have my back up sights on one of
+my rifles cowitnessed with my red dot & magnifier.
+--- 58079690
+>>58079640
+Havent tried it for accuracy yet but ill report it when i do, It shoots every time i press the triggers so im happy about that. the barrels are easy to find and replace so i might buy one for later down the road. I wish i had the fixed stock, but i like it nontheless! I might pickup a new cooey model 600. Just why not? they are really cheap
+
+Does anyone know what stock or what i could put on here as a cheek rest?
+--- 58079701
+>>58076644
+Yes
+--- 58079709
+>>58079690
+>Does anyone know what stock or what i could put on here as a cheek rest?
+pool noodle
+--- 58079739
+>>58079590
+My gun safe eventually turned into my ammo storage safe and even that thing is jammed pack now.
+--- 58079760
+>>58077201
+He didnt stomp the Norse because he never even set foot in Scandinavia.
+
+He was killed by Frisians in the modern day Netherlands. Learn some history & pull the pope cock out of your mouth. 
+
+Frisians =/= Norse, while they had similar Gods and spoke similar languages, they were completely different tribes. 
+
+Watch some Survive the Jive or read the Prose Edda or the poetry of Egil Skallagrimson.
+
+“The scream of swords,
+The clash of shields,
+These are true words
+On battlefields:
+Man sees his death
+Frozen in dreams,
+But Eirik's breath
+Frees battle-streams.
+
+The war-lord weaves
+His web of fear,
+Each man receives
+His fated share:
+A blood-red sun's
+The warrior's shield,
+The eagle scans
+The battlefield.”
+--- 58079773
+>>58079531
+>the problem with gun safes is you will end up getting more and more guns to the point where they all cant fit in the safe anymore defeating the purpose of buying the safe in the first place
+Stop being a consoomer. You aren't doing yourself any favors by acquiring yet another piece that does the same thing as one you already have. 1 gun per set of use cases, maybe a backup at most. I only have a few rifles and I don't have enough time outside of work to maintain proficiency on them all.
+--- 58079793
+I want to get a Remington 700sps an 308 like pic related, but I'm not sure if I should go with the 16.5" barrel or the 20". I've seen on youtube people make 1000yard shots with the 16.5", but idk how effect the round would be at that range. Anyone know how much of an effect barrel length has for 308/7.62 velocity?
+--- 58079801
+>>58078323
+Whoa you screencapped my post. Cool
+--- 58079816
+>>58079773
+It just depends what you get out of them. If they're purely tools for you, that's fine. They're just as much toys for some of us, though. I don't need any of my milsurps, my modern guns do everything better. But when it comes to guns I'm like a woman with a hundred goddamned pairs of shoes. I get enjoyment from ownership
+--- 58079825
+>>58078437
+New Zealand actually 
+
+https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ottawa-spends-5-7-million-on-deer-eradication-in-haida-gwaii-featuring-new-zealand-sharpshooters/wcm/8a8298a4-3e16-4269-9d91-20bac02557ad/amp/
+--- 58079832
+>>58078232
+Because we listen to woman-brained faggots who tell us that "hunting them will just make them adaptable", as if their motivation is pure and not just based on anti-hunting
+--- 58079838
+>>58079793
+The most efficient barrel lengths for .308 is 26", 24", and 20". Everything in between just means more or less velocity which means more or less range.
+--- 58079889
+>>58079832
+It's exactly like the situation with cormorants. When they started wiping out swathes of foliage and ecosystems with their literal shit, the Ford government declared hunting seasons on them. Only for "the scientific community" (literally picrel) to start bitching and moaning that it was the "wrong way to manage them".
+
+https://euc.yorku.ca/research-spotlight/ontarios-cormorant-hunt-and-what-it-means-for-its-future/
+
+There's always some excuse with these faggots why letting people hunt is the wrong answer.
+--- 58079898
+>>58079854
+540 or 542?
+--- 58079922
+>>58079838
+love how you can push 20" AR15 tier velocities with VMAX loadings out of a 24" gun. Fucking .308 moving at 3000 FPS like holy fuck, I gotta get a chronograph and test this out one day.
+--- 58079961
+>>58079669
+“I’m not the only one”
+
+There are a few pictures of him holding various guns to his head, one of him holding a target pistol up to a fans head. It would be foreshadowing except it seems likely that he overdosed then Cali, the live in nanny who was also banging Courtney Love shot his corpse in the head to make it look like a suicide. 
+
+There was also a bunch of conjecture that Allen Wrench was paid to kill him by Courtney, Dylan Carlson from the band Earth(really good band, I like the song German Dental Work, Ripped on Fascist Ideals & Tallahassee, it’s good gloomy PNW music) claimed Courtney tried to hire him but he was very good friends with Kurt & wouldn’t do it. He ironically bought the shotgun that was connected to Cobain’s death. El Duce from the Mentours was interviewed where he said “Allen” killed Kurt, El Duce was found dead near some train tracks shortly afterwards. The Mentors have some hilarious songs. 
+
+Really Courtney Love might be the most dangerous woman in music. 
+
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xg1GV-pfCWs&pp=ygURZWFydGggdGFsbGFoYXNzZWU%3D [Embed] Here is an Earth video where they end up buying a revolver from some dude in a parking lot and then pick up a hitchhiker or hooker who OD’s.
+
+I lived for about a month in Washington State, it was sort of a gritty place that has been made worse by leftist social policies & Californians moving there and ruining the state. I admittedly liked the grittiness of WA, too bad their government is going overboard trying to implement laws that are basically as bad as Canada’s.
+--- 58079970
+>>58079793
+The thing about the Remington 700 SPS is the trigger and stock suck. 
+Trigger is basically 5.5 pounds. Comparable rifles are typically 3.5 these days. So you have to upgrade that right out the gate.
+The issue with the stock is specifically with the Hogue rubber stock because it is shit for mounting a bipod. It causes the stock to bend slightly which makes the barrel lose its free float. Now if you are going to run it without a bipod then the stock is perfectly fine.
+--- 58079990
+>>58079889
+She looks like she smells like penny’s that have been coated in dried coffee.
+--- 58080042
+>>58078704
+hey thats my town nigger, i know where you are.
+--- 58080055
+>>58078807
+yep you're definitely in my town, spooky
+--- 58080066
+>>58078079
+Just transfers more shock into the receiver 
+I have no idea if it works I haven’t even shot it yet but I imagine it must help somewhat 
+Whether it’s a noticeable amount or not, no clue
+--- 58080087
+>>58079816
+>But when it comes to guns I'm like a woman with a hundred goddamned pairs of shoes. I get enjoyment from ownership
+This is also fair, though hoping collecting remains a valid reason for ownership, as anon we are going to establish a committee of professionals who decide which guns are and arent "reasonable use for hunting or sporting".
+Those are the only reasons to own a gun anon, obv nobody needs on for other silly thigs like livestock defence or dangerous game control/protection, and certainly nobody in the govt talks anymore about collecting as a valid reason to own a gun, even though thats a valid reason in even most civilized nations with strong gun control.
+--- 58080124
+>>58080087
+Guns aren't registered and probably never will be again in our lifetimes, considering how badly it fucked up the Liberals politically. I don't see how they stop collecting even if they wanted to
+--- 58080187
+>>58079838
+Thanks chart anon
+
+>>58079970
+So I'd have to use a shooter's sling instead of a bipod? In the videos I've seen the people are always using a bipod and seem to get consistent sub moa groups
+--- 58080193
+>>58079608
+I refuse. Else the crack at the bottom of the bag will remain unsnorted, and that is a compromise I am unwilling to make
+>>58080042
+Well I’m home now and I’m farther from Toronto than you now. So whatcha gonna do about it?
+>>58080055
+>show up
+>climb on top of a building using the roof of truck 
+>refuses to elaborate further
+>leaves
+--- 58080199
+>>58080124
+You dont need to provide a reason anyways (yet) except with Restricted guns (only 2 choices with those, collecting or target shooting)
+But still they could achieve a similar effect by simply banning anything that they feel doesn't most "reasonably" suit their 2 chosen reasons (hunting or sporting)
+--- 58080203
+>>58080193
+why were you there, there's nothing going on here and most of our restaurants suck. there's only one good one on main street that makes a good hoagie.
+--- 58080213
+Gonna take my Garand out this weekend. Really excited :)
+Haven’t shot it since winter
+--- 58080225
+>>58080213
+When was winter? My snow just finished melting like 3 days ago.
+--- 58080226
+>>58080203
+Work. Best believe schizoanon is gonna say I’m gonna groom you to be a mass shooter but I’ve already filled my lifetime quota
+--- 58080229
+>>58080199
+>You dont need to provide a reason anyways (yet)
+Funny you say "yet", because they actually did used to ask you the reasons you wanted NRs on your PAL form. Apparently they stopped doing that around 2015 or so.
+--- 58080244
+>Take cleaning kit out of SKS stock
+>Sniff it every time
+God, that smell
+--- 58080253
+>>58080187
+It's probably fine with the bipod, but losing free float is always going to cause uncertainty.
+--- 58080255
+>>58080226
+know of any good crown land semi close? i'm guessing you're from muskoka or parry sound or somewhere around there.
+--- 58080260
+>>58080225
+Yeah pretty much same
+Looking at my ammo spreadsheet I last shot it three weeks ago. I guess not that long ago, but the drastic difference in weather makes it seem like several months
+--- 58080336
+>>58080255
+Uhhh, I live nearly three hours away anon. I got nothing. I work all over the province. If you want to take a boat out, I’m sure on that coast further up there’s some nice little swamp you can skeet in. All my spots would be at least a three hour drive from you.
+--- 58080358
+>>58080336
+damn
+--- 58080394
+>>58080358
+Wish I could actually help, usually I go up to the hydro lines in the mountains up round here, or to the abandoned quarries on the provincial park access roads, or just go to the reserve since they’re chill and I know a bunch of em. The reserve is on the same lake as yours, but by the big island.
+--- 58080441
+Anyone ever do a trigger job on their SKS? Seems like CSC has aftermarket sear springs, anyone have any experience with these?
+--- 58080454
+>>58080260
+>Another anon with an ammo spreadsheet
+My brother
+--- 58080459
+>>58080454
+How about a gun spreadsheet, made a list with their calibers and valuable accessories.
+--- 58080460
+>>58080244
+both my guns are impregnated with that smell and my whole gun locker smells like that smell i cna smell it just talking about it love that smell its a good smell to smell guess I didnt clean the cosmo out of the wood very well
+--- 58080464
+>>58080394
+i know of a couple spots but they're still a good distance away. simcoe county is pretty shit if you're a gun owner and don't want to have to deal with boomer ranges. hopefully i'll be moving farther north eventually, toronto citycucks ruined the price of real estate in this town and the surrounding area.
+--- 58080468
+>>58080460
+One of my most rare and expensive guns absolutely reeks of cigarette smoke, sprayed it with fabreeze and now it smells like cigs and fabreeze.
+--- 58080470
+>>58079690
+>>58079709
+Pipe insulator, it's a thinner diameter pool noodle but it's black and already has a slot to slip it over pipes.
+--- 58080473
+>>58080244
+If much rather be huffing HER smell if you catch my drift.
+--- 58080474
+>>58080470
+plumbers are hella gay bud
+--- 58080484
+>>58080473
+buy black zip ties
+--- 58080493
+>>58080484
+thats a good point, but dont just stop there try to get UV resistant ones and see if theres a cold rating on them as plastic zip ties really dont like being frozen.
+--- 58080501
+>>58080493
+shiet wtf
+--- 58080503
+>>58080464
+I do a lot of work down there and drive all over the area. It’s quite saddening to see what those parasitic blackrock niggers did to your beautiful countrysides. All those soulless fuckin semi-detached developments and ugly “modern” houses. I hate it sooooo much.
+>>58080484
+No, I don’t think I will.
+--- 58080505
+>>58080459
+Not accessories, but I have a spreadsheet of all my guns with their serial numbers, barrel lengths, OALs, calibers, etc, and another sheet that keeps track on how many rounds I have through my guns, and on what dates.
+--- 58080517
+>>58080468
+kek
+--- 58080525
+>>58080505
+id call you guys autistic and claim that you're hella gay office workers but I'm currently in the midst of struggling through writing a book on the SKS so I guess im a autistic too :/
+--- 58080527
+>>58080484
+Kek I told an anon to replace his white zip ties with black ones and got roasted. I think we're a tier above the typical cangen autism
+--- 58080529
+>>58080503
+yeah it's disgusting, they're doing it even more as we speak. they're tearing down even more woodland in the town to build more mcsuburbs for mystery meat niggers and various torcongo creatures.
+--- 58080530
+>>58080468
+smother it in cosmoline
+>Verification not required.
+--- 58080547
+>>58080525
+Kek, when I'm doing shit like this, I have take no issue with being called autistic
+--- 58080551
+>>58080529
+I hear that all of the machines are keyed alike in Minecraft, and that you can download the keys for every type by logging onto the Amazon server and paying 50 emeralds to a villager.
+--- 58080591
+>>58080551
+>>58080529
+>>58080503
+look at these feds
+--- 58080593
+>>58080547
+is there a free version of excel or something similar I dont wanna pay bill gates to use it and i dont wanna download cracked shit and get computer AIDS
+--- 58080597
+>>58080591
+lol
+--- 58080598
+>>58080591
+They've caught on to the minecraft references its time to use something more obscure like Stellaris I guess.
+--- 58080600
+>>58080591
+Only 2/3? Fuckkkkkkk.
+Also, hey schizoanon.
+--- 58080606
+>>58080593
+Libreoffice is a free office suite that has a spreadsheet application
+--- 58080622
+>>58080591
+... .... ..- - ..- .--. -. .. --. --. . .-.
+--- 58080624
+>>58080600
+when you stop being the literal only person posting here that acts like a fed i will stop calling you a fed
+--- 58080632
+>>58080624
+you replied to me too buddy, not liking mystery meat torcongo niggers makes me a fed?
+--- 58080647
+>>58080632
+when a fed casually mentions some kind of specific target to attack you arent supposed to agree with him
+--- 58080658
+>>58080647
+lol i didn't even respond to that post, only you did schizo
+--- 58080663
+new
+>>58080659 →
+>>58080659 →
+>>58080659 →
+--- 58081260
+>>58080441
+rifle is fine anon. no trigger job
+--- 58081279
+>>58080527
+2.5 foot black zip ties are essential, they double as fetish whips in a pinch. also very good for securing the front bumper of your Subaru after totally not intentionally running over traffic cones when you leave the bar. which I definitely did not do tonight

k/58070774.txt

@@ -6,3 +6,555 @@ How popular would gun ownership be in Australia today had they never had any gun
 No. Australia is 7 cities an a giant desert the size of Europe. America's gun culture was forged broadly by people going out to settle land to call their own. Australia closed its frontier before it was settled.
 --- 58070872
 ye similar though more looked down upon the faggot soi vaxxie leftists that make up 80% of our population now
+--- 58071567
+>>58070774 (OP)
+No one has guns here because no one has guns here. The only people that do are based farmers and social rejects in the suburbs outside of the major cities. 
+Plus its a fucking pain in the ass to get and own a gun here, so why bother
+--- 58071598
+>>58071567
+I wonder how difficult it would be to smuggle in a select fire AR-15 from the US into Australia.
+--- 58071605
+>>58070872
+Have you tried fucking off to the US, or some other shithole that hands out tools designed to kill humans like candy?
+--- 58071616
+>>58070774 (OP)
+Without those laws? There'd be a fuckload of gun ownership. 
+
+A fuckload less farmers, an indigenous militia, a couple dead prime ministers, but a fuckload of gun ownership.
+--- 58071624
+>>58071616
+>implying abos are smart enough to organize a militia
+They would sell their guns for booze day 1 and then get drunk and fall asleep in the road.
+--- 58072681
+>>58071616
+Cope harder NZ had fuck all gun ownership and zero militia and in 2019 everyone handed their guns in without a single shot fired.
+
+Zero Australians shot John Howard in 1996 and not a single cop got shot at any gun buyback the people handed all their guns in like cucks and did Jack shit.
+--- 58072809
+>>58070774 (OP)
+we tend to be america lite, where american trends infect us but only 5% of the population rather than 100%. I see middle class white men with maga hats, sovereign citizens, enormous trucks etc occasionally but they're rare.
+
+There'd be more guns in the country, since they get use there and the rules would be more lax. not dramatically more, but more. Teenagers who currently get a dirt bike might get a gun instead and go spotting.
+
+Cities wouldn't have a big gun culture, it'd mostly be some dickheads in the suburbs with a rifle and mentally ill people.
+
+honestly, our gun laws are pretty great. 'you can own a gun, you just have to show you care about guns and look after it'. everybody who has a gun uses it for work or goes to a gun range regularly. if somebody owns guns in australia, they probably don't talk about it much because it's an interest and not an identity. 
+
+>my dad owns a sako 22 from the 70's but lost the magazine in the 90s, if anybody knows somebody who could obtain that shit so I can surprise him for his birthday he would be able to shoot more foxes
+--- 58072827
+>>58070774 (OP)
+
+I know one thing. If I was a Chinese general I would be thankful for current Australian gun laws. Imagine sending in an invasion force and have to face as bloodyminded a bunch as the irregulars who fought in ww1 and ww2. Now the Chinese know an occupation will be an easy one.
+--- 58072882
+>>58070774 (OP)
+We Aussies had many guns before the buyback and still do. Although, I've made a doc on better gun laws for Australia.
+https://web.archive.org/web/20190929090259/http://www.foaa.com.au/buy-back-statistics-and-australia-stock-of-firearms-compiled-in-1998/
+https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TdVJPH5KC5u0KRsSLTn-2TvU7ZKcyko2wwl10RbpTSk
+--- 58072989
+>>58070774 (OP)
+Not remotely. It would have been the same as it was back in the day, assuming US political influence is a non-factor. People would just simply have guns and it'd literally never be talked about.
+--- 58073001
+>>58072809
+Which model? Generally they're a dime a dozen in Finland but I don't know what your import laws say about dangerous boxes with a spring
+--- 58073017
+>>58071616
+>an indigenous militia
+lol. lmao even
+
+>>58072882
+>perfect gun laws
+>there are still license categories
+I shiggy diggy
+
+These would be good improvements that people could get on board with if pushed in state parliaments though definitely.
+--- 58073045
+>>58073001
+P75 I think, but I'll have to confirm when I'm at the farm next. our import laws block slingshots so they'll definitely block boxes with springs.
+--- 58073058
+>>58072827
+Imagine unironically thinking the Chinese would be able to invade Australia and beat back the US but then be stopped by a bunch of gunniggers with semi autos AR-15.
+
+The gold medal for mental gymnastics goes to gunniggers and pretending widespread death and maiming due to guns to their own citizens is somehow a good thing.
+--- 58073071
+>>58073045
+.22 Hornet? Defendor in Finland does ship abroad and they specialize in rare mags. What the fuck is wrong with your laws also
+--- 58073077
+>>58070860
+>>58070872
+Hopefully nukes start hitting cities like Melbourne, Sydney and Canberra. That would be a godsend.
+>>58073017
+Licence categories I'm not sure about. Although, I kept the licence concept because it serves as a filter.
+--- 58073086
+>>58073058
+>gunniggers
+>>>/lgbt/
+--- 58073110
+>>58073058
+
+You mean like how the US totally sent forces immediately when non-NATO member Ukraine was invaded? But hey, you do you. If you to this day believe USA will come to rescue you just like that, then good for you.
+--- 58073131
+>>58073058
+>but then be stopped by a bunch of gunniggers with semi autos AR-15.
+Let me start by saying you can buy select fire AR-15 trigger groups and conversion jigs online, but semiauto is what most of the fighting would be done with. Full auto is only accurate within 50 yards at man sized targets. Of course, it would be nice to have a few guns to function as suppressive fire machine guns, but I'm certain if a war were going on in Australia, that there would be plenty of converted AR-15s popping up.
+--- 58073133
+>58073058(you)
+--- 58073151
+>>58070774 (OP)
+Why is every Anglosphere country except America a wasteland and retarded on guns?
+--- 58073157
+>>58073045
+>definitely block boxes with springs
+But they probably won't block a shipment of springs.
+And a later shipment of boxes.
+--- 58073162
+>>58073071
+yeah its the hornet. Thanks, I'll look them up. I have a mate who used to work in the state firearm licensing office here so I'll hit them up and ask about the permitted methods of importing.
+--- 58073184
+>>58073151
+The elites import foreigners to keep wages down and spread anti-gun propaganda so the disgruntled sheeple won't try and shoot them
+--- 58073222
+>>58073162
+They don't have one in stock, but you can ask them to locate one. For some reason this bit of information hasn't been written on the website in English.
+--- 58073245
+>>58070774 (OP)
+Australia is banning vapes. No amount of guns could keep it from becoming the pozzed shithole it is today. Ozz is Pozzed
+--- 58073266
+>>58073184
+This.
+
+it's legitimately orchestrated.
+--- 58073268
+>>58073184
+>so the disgruntled sheeple won't try and shoot them
+Probably literally why both parties in England are banning every weapon inc machetes 
+
+When you’ve presided over a Russian level collapse in living standards you don’t want your constituents to have any power
+--- 58073275
+>>58071605
+>>58073151
+Tell that to Canadian gun owners giving Trudeau a hard time.
+--- 58073289
+>>58073245
+Ausfailia, rhymes too well kek.
+--- 58073341
+>>58073275
+where’s the sic semper tyrannis?
+You got nothing to lose
+--- 58073405
+>>58073110
+I don't know if the US would rescue Austria and I don't give a fuck about Mozart and Kangaroos.
+
+But i know: what won't stop any Chinese invasion is fat retarded right wing militias that make the armies of Donbabwe and Luganda look like well oiled fighting machines in conversion.
+
+At least the execution of those idiots would improve the human gene pool.
+--- 58073424
+>>58073405
+American citizens with guns often help the police. In an all out invasion, right-wing militias would be cooperating with the military. Guerrilla war is a pain in the ass for an invading force. They can't just go around slaughtering all the civilians, because the backlash from doing so would be immense.
+--- 58073434
+>>58073405
+fuck off glowie
+--- 58073446
+>>58073266
+dumbfuck cops and feds ensure everyday honest to god, born in country Australians suffer at the behest of career politicians for their fucking brownie points.
+
+probably reading this thread rn and doxing me, fuck you feds, hope we get fucking nuked and someone else can have a clean fucking start
+--- 58073451
+>>58071598
+Suppose you meet someone at a prearranged time on one of those big abandoned beaches. Anchor your sea going vessel, and beach a dinghy unload a few and turn around. It's not very cost-effective but not too complex.
+--- 58073473
+>>58073451
+assuming you get past border patrol
+--- 58073485
+>>58073424
+Imagine being so unironically retarded that you actually think a china invading Australia wouldn't fucking kill some right wing niggers because of muh backlash. You should see what they are doing to their own citizens, much less legally executeable franc-tireurs.
+
+And imagine unironically thinking American insurgent right wing armed cunts are a boon to police. I can't wait for the day y'all get disarmed and the holdouts shot.
+--- 58073503
+>>58073424
+They don’t, they’re fighting cops and they especially hate the FBI
+They also gave up on democracy so a chuddist rising which gets crushed by the glowies and normal gun owners is on the horizon
+--- 58073520
+>>58073451
+>Distance from California to Australia is a minimum of 6,447 nautical miles. The trip is estimated to take between 45 and 60 days. Hawaii and Fiji are two perfect locations to stop along the way for food and fuel. Best time to sail is arguably November to March.
+https://www.lifeofsailing.com/post/california-to-australia
+If I'd ever do such a thing, I'd make sure to bring a shit ton of guns, and I'd likely be a bit paranoid of border patrol, but then again, tons of abandoned beaches.
+--- 58073532
+>>58073485
+I can't wait for the day people have enough and execute left wing extremists in the streets for pedophilia and the single handed cucking of a nations economy. literal cope, blaming a countries problems on the people that built it, not the sudden shift in left wing politics dictating decisions the last 100 years.
+
+Double down, i'm sure it'll work out well for you. dumb cunt.
+--- 58073535
+>>58071624
+Ah yes the Van Zandt County method.
+--- 58073541
+>>58073473
+Yeah, admittedly, I don't know anything about their border patrol. But, let's say a guy went all in on this. One could would pose as a fishing boat and spend some time figuring out their routs and times, and wait for an opportune moment.
+--- 58073562
+>>58073532
+Right wingers build any country when?
+
+Have you seen the richest and most prosperous parts of America? Liberal
+
+Have you seen the shithole cousin fucking dilapidated opioid injecting gun loving states? Conservative
+
+Cope all you want but the Libs are winning and you'll hand over your guns during your lifetime.
+--- 58073597
+>>58073562
+you mean the parasitic white collar class profiting from blue collar? just tell me you don't know anything about working economy.
+
+a parasitic nation isn't sustainable, you don't have to be a genius to figure that out.
+--- 58073606
+>>58073541
+I wish someone would.
+
+but I'm not hopeful for them getting past radar, your best bet is to have a legal reason to enter Australian waters but hide them really fucking well on the vessel somewhere and dump them on your selected beach to a receiver before docking.
+
+or island hope from like papua new guinea area down to cape york. but still, not hopeful for you, lot of open water for radar to pick you up
+--- 58073619
+widespread access to firearms would further expose all the failings of our country. stupid, poor, uneducated people, when given guns, will invariably shoot and kill each other. that's half the reason our firearm laws are so strict - and why democrat controlled states in the US curtail them as well. our rulers care more about covering up societal decline than they do about fixing it or improving living conditions. the other half of the reason is obviously to suppress the possibility of armed insurrection against them. anyway, gun control is the same thing as admitting you have no standards
+--- 58073632
+>>58073541
+this has happened time and time again. I remember a group of bikies got busted smuggling in guns from the us. basically some faggot robbed a place with a cat d rifle and it spiked a big investigation leading to the arrest of these men. cbf to look it up but I remember it happened, im not schizo. 
+
+I imagine you could get away with it doing this method https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/why-colombia-cocaine-traffickers-love-high-tech-torpedoes/
+--- 58073647
+>>58073619
+literally a self correcting issue. stop standing between darwin and a gene pools success
+--- 58073670
+>>58073632
+Interesting method.
+--- 58073681
+>>58073606
+Oh no, not me, I have other stuff going on, and that's a bit out of my way. Not exactly a pit stop from Kodiak.
+--- 58073688
+>>58071605
+Nice b8 cunt
+--- 58073716
+>>58073606
+>>58073681
+>but I'm not hopeful for them getting past radar
+Don't worry about any radar. Radar is good for finding things in the air, not for finding things on the ground or in the water.
+>your best bet is to have a legal reason to enter Australian waters
+Just get a visa.
+--- 58073724
+>>58073597
+Lol you're a coping spic that needs to work manually so all the people in a real cushy job with skills can profit. 
+
+Yes they're exploiting you. The problem is only that they are doing nothing wrong, it's the natural order of things, smart people are the alphas and dumb hunks of meat the betas that can be exploited like any other animal made to serve actual humans.
+--- 58073725
+>>58073222
+I appreciate the effort you have put in anon, you are a good man
+--- 58073743
+>>58072809
+>honestly, our gun laws are pretty great.
+>gun laws
+>great
+Go play in traffic, you fucking communist. Why even live in a ostensibly free country anyway? If you want quick and easy bullshit software money and the comforting embrace of a nanny state, move to china.
+--- 58073776
+>>58073724
+That is the mentality that's gonna get you beheaded in the street by a blue collar man when things get bad, like i said, double down, it'll go well for you.
+
+go cry else where beta male
+--- 58073792
+>>58073724
+>"dindu nothing wrong"
+>screams about oppression when people finally have enough and fight back
+
+you're the spic.
+--- 58073852
+>>58073451
+>>58073520
+>>58073541
+>>58073632
+>>58073716
+There has to be a really casual and covert way to do this that is less risky. I have an uncle that is a top sailor in the freight shipping industry. He remembers dealing with other sailors who were doing all sorts of illegal things. He had a group of French sailors invite him over when he was docking, and they were getting drunk and smoking pot on the ship. They respect the privacy of their sailors, so theoretically, if he was completely down with it, I could probably bring him all the parts needed to build a gun, and he could just smuggle it to whichever countries he visits next.
+--- 58073894
+>>58073852
+and we're all arrested for conspiring to import illegal firearms, just make shinzo abe specials, delete whoever necessary and then delete gun control laws, easy profit. probably spend the same amount of time in jail if caught anyway
+--- 58073935
+>>58073743
+how do you feel about traffic laws?
+--- 58073955
+>>58073935
+>apples to oranges.
+
+you can still buy a car without a license.
+
+the only way that'd be a good comparison is if you could buy a gun and then have to have a license to carry it in public, which I would be okay with
+--- 58073957
+>>58073894
+>and we're all arrested for conspiring to import illegal firearms
+This still happens, by the way. In the US, you can buy relatively new AK-12s at highly-premium costs whenever they're available, even though their import is illegal. Some of them end up slipping through. You can also buy brand new Polish Radom pistols for around $3000. The only reason the price is so high is because they have to be smuggled in. I'm sure there are tons of other examples.
+--- 58074010
+>>58073957
+With a bit of connections you can also easily buy an AK or Handgrenade here in Europe. With a lot better connections even stuff like Strelas. Its possible everywhere, the only problem is cost.
+--- 58074053
+>>58074010
+>or Handgrenade here in Europe.
+I've heard this is possible because a bunch of civilians got their hands on Yugoslavian hand grenades after the breakup of Yugoslavia. The same can't be done in the US. You'd have to make your own hand grenades from scratch.
+--- 58074093
+>>58070774 (OP)
+Not even close. Gun ownership was never considered an important, inalienable right by most Australians because they weren't treated as weapons to wield against attackers; they were a hunting tool that was more a symbol of preparedness for national defence in post-WW2 society, rather than being actually used in militias. It's fundamentally different because up until urbanisation filled in the land between small townships with low-cost/high-density housing, the idea of your home being assaulted was essentially preposterous. Aboriginals were largely unarmed, belligerent locals were pushed out of communities specifically to avoid violence and thieves were generally the poor and destitute who stole food and useful materials from yards and properties. Even in cities, the idea of owning a gun for protection was basically laughable and city-dwellers who owned guns were enthusiasts who typically bought hunting and target shooting rifles that would be entirely impractical for home defence.
+
+Certainly the government feared gun owners in small, rural towns because of their general resistance to intervention and willingness to come together as a militia, but it's just not the same level of broad organisation as state militias in the US.
+--- 58074130
+>>58074093
+>doesn't know about the kelly gang and other bush rangers
+
+isn't gonna make it in the new world
+--- 58074165
+>>58073894
+>Arrested for conspiracy.
+>Has taken no action other than discussion
+>Which is the 1st Amendment to the Constitution
+No case.
+--- 58074188
+>>58074165
+>Australian
+
+haul him away, that's all the case they need. fuck this country
+--- 58074191
+>>58074130
+Yeah, except bushrangers essentially died out by the 20th century and were already a rare breed of roaming loners immediately suspected and known to locals who had police move them on. You know why they're so famous? Because getting into a shootout with police was seen as wild and crazy.
+--- 58074218
+>>58074191
+>source, trust me bro
+
+get fucked statist
+--- 58074258
+>>58074218
+>source
+Reality. Get a fucking grip, man. Not everyone who disagrees with you on some unrelated trivia is your ideological opponent. Guns are good and should be owned widely by the populace, but Australia never had a reason to buy them in large numbers or entrench their ownership as essential in culture.
+--- 58074260
+>>58074010
+Hand grenades are actually very rare in Finland though common in Sweden. Go figure why, I guess the white meatheads forming the bulk of our biker gangs prefer their Uzis.
+--- 58074312
+>>58074260
+>prefer their Uzis.
+Is it easy to get select fire Uzis in Europe?
+--- 58074407
+>>58071598
+he got one into NZ so probably not that hard
+--- 58074430
+>>58074407
+wasn't he a legal owner?
+--- 58074452
+>>58074407
+>>58074430
+He didn't fire anything full auto.
+--- 58074476
+>>58074452
+still leaves me questioning, cause semi auto is near impossible to get in Aus too
+--- 58074534
+>>58074407
+>legal owner of an ar15 with 60 round mags in AUS
+i don't think so
+>>58074452
+if you can smuggle in a semi auto you can smuggle in a modified full auto. If you want an actual factory full auto, good luck getting someone with a registered tax-stamped original m16 lower that costs 40,000 dollars to illegally sell it to you across an ocean.
+--- 58074564
+>>58074534
+>good luck getting someone with a registered tax-stamped original m16 lower that costs 40,000 dollars to illegally sell it to you across an ocean.
+What the fuck. You would just pay someone who knows how to convert lowers to accept select-fire trigger groups.
+--- 58074582
+>>58074564
+>>58074534
+>if you can smuggle in a semi auto you can smuggle in a modified full auto
+reading comprehension
+--- 58074594
+>>58074582
+You shouldn't have included that last statement.
+--- 58074598
+>>58074582
+>>58074594
+Also, I wonder what the footage would have looked like had he used a full auto AR.
+--- 58074686
+>>58074598
+he probably would have ran out of ammo.
+--- 58074690
+>>58074686
+Good point, but it would have been beautiful to listen to.
+--- 58074727
+I can give you guys an apples-to-apples answer.
+
+In 1997, Australia confiscated 650,000 guns, which was considered the simple majority of guns in a nation of at the time 19 million people. Like by whatever metric, they figure they got about half of them.
+
+For comparison, in 1997 the US had 272 million people, and approximately 240 million guns.
+--- 58074748
+>>58074312
+They're at least quite common in Finland. Turn up in every illegal firearms bust, and quite a few collectors own them legally
+--- 58074754
+>>58074748
+>and quite a few collectors own them legally
+The select fire versions?
+--- 58074765
+>>58074727
+also even more embarrassingly at the same time the UK had 58 million people, and confiscating only 162,000 guns nearly ended civilian handgun ownership in the country, entirely
+--- 58074872
+>>58074727
+no lawful use for them, no handguns, no pro self defense laws, Australia was still cucked in 96, they were just double cucked in 97
+--- 58074889
+>>58074188
+Oh, for the Australian, yeah I don't know their laws.
+--- 58075363
+>>58074754
+Of course, why would you get a semi when you can get a full auto? For us non-collectors I have only seen one semi-auto Uzi ever
+--- 58075450
+>>58074872
+>no handguns
+Whuh? Aren't those about the only semi-auto gun you can still get?
+--- 58075521
+>>58073245
+>Australia is banning vapes.
+that hurts chink exporters though. How fucking dare they?!
+--- 58075542
+>>58073424
+>They can't just go around slaughtering all the civilians, because the backlash from doing so would be immense.
+concentration camps all over the western chink colonial provinces purging all of the tibetians, uyghurs, mongolians etc. Bet you have never even heard of them. Dealing with insurgents is easy when you dont give a shit how much you need to slaughter
+--- 58075637
+>>58074727
+what was the point of all of this? its not like you could buy any of them without going through things like medical checks to verify you were not a actual schizophrenic. That is why there were so relatively few to begin with. Or judging by the bananas coof hysteria in australia/new zealand response just wannabe tyrants in sheep clothes trying to get the tools that can be used against them?
+--- 58075918
+>>58075450
+no, they're harder to get than most rifles.
+
+>6month minimum at pistol club
+>shoot a competition every 3 months just to hold licence
+>safety course
+>actual pistol licence
+
+it's fucked
+--- 58075994
+>>58073724
+You would be nothing without offshoring manufacturing to China - which is gonna bite you in the ass, when Changs no longer accept $. Now you have college educated barristas and expat pajeet IT fags, that will abscond at the first sign of trouble and work for whoever pays them more. no loyalty, no brains, no nation.
+--- 58076683
+>>58075994
+>when Changs no longer accept $
+Yeah China is just going to stop accepting America but stuff, post guns
+--- 58077190
+>>58075994
+Keep coping and believe you'll one day be anything more than a plumber, Sergio. Now fixo toileto muchos quicko or I'm calling immigration.
+--- 58077232
+>>58077190
+>shits on your Mercedes and fucks your wife instead
+--- 58077274
+>>58077190
+can guarantee you're someone's office bitch and you talk shit about real men to feel better about your low test
+--- 58077363
+>>58077274
+So the real man is the one with no money ruining his body over the one working in a air conditioned room behind a desk and making more per day than you in the week?
+
+Sorry for misgendering you as Hispanic, i accept your self-identification as nigger.
+--- 58077384
+>>58077363
+you're too stupid to argue with.
+
+you think a man would have to ruin his body before retirement if there wasn't a parasitic sub human suckling his money away?
+--- 58077669
+>>58077384
+Assuming your theory is actually true, who's the idiot: the one choosing the life of the content, happy parasite or the one being the dumb hunk of meat hosting the parasites and ending up totally exhausted and dead with 65?
+
+But actually just your dumb brain cannot comprehend that people value and pay for things that aren't made with manual labour. Go back to Africa if you want to idiolize their shitty hand to mouth society.
+--- 58077729
+>>58077669
+I don't blame you for choosing a hedonistic life, I blame your parents.
+
+>calls others hand to mouth
+>chose life's easiest paths
+
+never gonna make it
+--- 58077744
+>>58077669
+your genes get weaker and weaker through the generations whilst the blue collars become stronger and stronger.
+
+your children will fight the battles you put off, assuming you even procreate.
+--- 58077806
+>>58073532
+>and the single handed cucking of a nations economy
+I think you forgot about Reagan
+--- 58078760
+>>58075918
+Easier to get if not hold than they are in Finland though
+--- 58078835
+>>58078760
+I'm not arguing who the most cucked country is, all I want is change, but Australia are blissfully unaware tax cattle.
+--- 58078877
+>>58074727
+>Scrapping an M16A1 
+I'll never forgive Australia for this.
+--- 58078941
+>>58077744
+
+>Dumb people mate with dumb people and die early due to the stress of manual labour
+>Smart people get rich can pick the best women and stay healthy, getting smart male and attractive female offspring
+
+Muh "my genes are better than yours because my retard education stopped at Lamarck and so my genes get better by usage right?"
+--- 58078984
+>>58078941
+you're really out here confusing blue collar workers with degenerate niggers.
+
+cope onions boi, your *insert profession you rely on to survive* fucks your wife while you're in the office.
+--- 58079146
+>>58078984
+>Confusing blue collar workers with degenerate niggers
+
+Yeah I'm sorry to the niggers for comparing them to a moron like you. At least one nigger in a hundred strives to be more than an agricultural tool, compared to you unironically taking pride in being a wageslave and coping by dreaming of the attractive women in white collar hands.
+--- 58079168
+>>58079146
+>being a wageslave
+>works in a cubicle
+>has to change job every year because his last one got automated
+
+literally cope
+--- 58079242
+>>58074727
+No they didn't.
+https://web.archive.org/web/20190929090259/http://www.foaa.com.au/buy-back-statistics-and-australia-stock-of-firearms-compiled-in-1998/
+--- 58079479
+>>58079168
+>Manual worker thinking it's the white collar workers who will get replaced by automation
+
+Take your meds
+--- 58079584
+>>58079479
+It actually is, although a huge portion of white collar work is fake job sinecures anyway so being redundant doesn't matter
+--- 58079593
+>>58070774 (OP)
+Not popular at all. We enjoy being a first world country.
+--- 58079654
+>>58070860
+In our defense, Australia’s frontier is mostly just fucking desert. 
+Not good for anything except for farming camels apparently.
+
+>>58073077
+Man fuck you, I like Canberra.
+Coffee is good and a 20 minute drive from city centre and I’m in a national park with nicely maintained hiking trails. It’s a larger country town with the benefits of a city.
+It’s a university city so lots of authentic foreign food. And few turbo bogans.
+And think of Sydney and Melbourne like the /pol/ and /pony/ boards. Those people have to go somewhere. besides all the politicians who are dickheads fly in from their home states, the canberra local ones are just chill.
+
+>Gun Control
+I sold my guns years ago when it was a pain in the arse whilst moving and renting to find housemates that were cool with it and getting everything setup. 
+So left them with the parents until we all sat down and admitted we hadn’t shot them in 2 years and should probably give them to a home who would love and care for them better.
+I do bow hunting now because I can just keep it in a garage and no one cares.
+
+I would’ve loved to keep my guns, but I’m glad we don’t have the same gun culture as the states.
+We have too many dickheads as it is, and imagine if every rev-head wog or bogan was also packing? 
+Also working in Canberra you realise the government is more incompetent than it is sinisterly evil. It’s fucking Hanlon's Razor.
+--- 58079696
+>>58071567
+>pain in the ass to get and own a gun here
+Uhh, no it isn't. 
+Unless you're a loser who doesn't leave the house and going to the police station to ask for a form is a "pain in the ass"
+--- 58079733
+>>58070774 (OP)
+Nah. Australia is SUPER urbanized, fucking everyone lives in cities now, where guns are far less popular. The number of proper outback style Aussies is very low
+There is no "rural" state in Australia, it's a handful of cities and a lot of nothing between them.
+--- 58079936
+>>58079654
+> imagine if every rev-head wog or bogan was also packing
+Self correcting issue
+
+>>58079696
+way to oust yourself as a nogunz faggot
+--- 58081508
+>>58079733
+either dumb foreigner or city dwelling beta cuck no gunz, can't tell

k/58070946.txt

@@ -4,3 +4,340 @@ Victory day parade in less than a week.
 >what russian equipment will we see
 >are we getting a drone false flag to start a nuclear war
 >will bakhmut finally be captured or were the russians losing ground this whole year
+--- 58071000
+>>58070946 (OP)
+They'll gather the last dozen or so T-90M tanks, split them into two groups, and then drive them one group at a time down the parade ground and then round the block out of sight, where they'll quickly paint new unit numbers on them and do it all over again. Over and over for half an hour.
+
+I'd also put good money on the chance of an aircraft experiencing mechanical failure and crashing on the way to or from the flypasts. Possibly even during the flypast itself, if we're really lucky.
+--- 58071016
+>>58070946 (OP)
+I know what they won't drive: The T-54/55s and T-62s they're actually using in Ukraine lol
+--- 58071028
+>>58071000
+>Possibly even during the flypast itself, if we're really lucky.
+That's horrible to think of anon, think of all the innocents there who could be hurt.
+--- 58071100
+>>58071028
+>innocents
+So it'll be a zero death toll plane crash in the middle of a major city, truly a miracle. God smiles upon Russia )))))
+--- 58071110
+>>58071000
+Parade planes are the only ones kept in good condition, they will most likely cancel the air parade tough
+--- 58071155
+>>58070946 (OP)
+Will there be a live stream? Last year Brits did it and it was good, I think it was the telegraph newspaper
+--- 58071171
+>>58071028
+My heart aches for any kidnapped Ukrainian child caught in a russki plane crash.
+--- 58071174
+I hope cia escalates by droning parade.
+--- 58071180
+>>58071171
+Don't worry anon, most of those kids have already been sold into arab oil sheik harems and/or organ harvesting rings and are no longer in Russia as a result, so the chances of one dying in a Russian plane crash are really very low
+--- 58071184
+>>58071174
+maybe we should give that whole "escalate to deescalate" thing a try, the Russians sure do seem to think highly of it
+--- 58071189
+>>58071184
+Yea i think you should definitely do it, can you share my escalation thing to your coworkers. Let's get it done.
+--- 58071197
+>>58071189
+I'll put it in the teams chat
+do you mind if I refer to you as Anon #46127? They like us to be specific
+--- 58071199
+>>58071197
+Sure thing
+--- 58071206
+>>58071000
+>Possibly even during the flypast itself, if we're really lucky.
+I wish a MIG-31 has an aileron jam, forcing it into a deep dive and flies full speed into the cathedral of St. Basil.
+--- 58071215
+>>58071206
+>the pilot ejects at low altitude and his body plus ejection seat flies directly into Putin
+>a drone interrupts the parade
+>someone has done an IRA and several mortars explode without warning
+>a soldier turns into a suicide bomber live on air
+Which one do you want the most?
+--- 58071226
+>>58071028
+These are the same people who watch videos of their soldiers raping children and pets to death in front of their families and cheer it on with glee. May a plane crash and may it be carrying a nuke.
+--- 58071231
+>>58071215
+The first one. We’d post the gif for years
+--- 58071234
+>>58071028
+stop baiting retard
+--- 58071246
+>>58070946 (OP)
+how did last years parade look like?
+im pretty sure it was already poor and cringe.
+--- 58071270
+>>58071246
+please understand.. air show has been cancelled due to poor weather.... small indie country please be understand..
+--- 58071279
+>parade due next week
+>no rehearsal
+--- 58071281
+>>58071270
+these are FAFO mega-clouds, they are super dangerous, they only target russian DNA, you know.
+--- 58071283
+I want SVT40 to replace the SKS as a ceremonial rifle
+--- 58071284
+>>58071226
+>These are the same people who watch videos of their soldiers raping children and pets to death in front of their families and cheer it on with glee.
+If this is true I do NOT want the source, but did this actually happen? I know about the raping in front of family thing and I know about the taping it, but what? Pets?
+--- 58071342
+>>58071000
+There won't be a fly past, they're too afraid (and rightly so) of saboteurs with MANPADS
+--- 58071350
+>>58071000
+trips
+--- 58071373
+>>58071206
+fuck, that would make armatard and dennis suffer a massive aneurysm.
+--- 58071380
+>>58071284
+You think they would draw the line at pets?
+--- 58071388
+Are Ukraine going to try and time a big push on victory day?
+--- 58071440
+>>58071231
+Years? Centuries, at least. It would instantly be the most famous death of any politician ever, possibly the most famous death ever, even hitler braining himself couldn't compare.
+--- 58071454
+>>58071388
+I think they are smarter than to put such stock in symbolism rather than what makes tactical and strategic sense
+but there is a non-zero chance that it really will be one of the earliest days of the mud hardening up, so it might happen anyway, idk what the very recent weather has been like in Southern Ukraine.
+--- 58071472
+>>58071388
+depends on the weather
+--- 58071485
+>>58071454
+Still muddy, but almost no chance of rain for the next week
+--- 58071494
+>>58071028
+>Russians
+>innocent
+--- 58071682
+>>58071485
+I want to believe
+It's happening on may 9th, I just know it
+--- 58071708
+>>58071270
+Imagine that being the architectural pride and joy of your """"culture""".
+--- 58071717
+>>58071000
+>air show
+Cancelled due to bad weather. No, I didn’t look at the forecast
+--- 58071725
+>>58071717
+Ah, like last year then.
+--- 58071733
+>>58071215
+>>someone has done an IRA and several mortars explode without warning
+
+This one would be kino. It would show that special forces can operate in Moscow and do some real damage. The IRA came really close to killing a large percentage of the British rulers
+--- 58071772
+>>58071388
+>>58071454
+>>58071682
+For maximum political value it would make sense to start it before victory day. If you start it on the same day putin can just make whatever speech he was planning on making because most people won’t really know how it’s going yet anyway. If you start a couple days before then he is forced to either publicly acknowledge the situation, or publicly avoid talking about it.
+--- 58071777
+It'll be all WW2 equipment because they'll keep pushing the le Patriotic War 2.0 angle.
+--- 58071795
+>>58071708
+It was build by an Italian.
+--- 58071822
+>Victory Day never came.
+>Every morning I wake up expecting it to come, but it is always two more weeks away.
+>That can't be it.
+>Do you get it now? You do, don't you?
+>Victory Day... never... came.
+--- 58071880
+>>58070946 (OP)
+As much as I'd like to see a my little drony crashing into an armata and revealing what lies below the cardboard shell the reality is that nothing will happen, security will be very tight and Pussian partisans won't risk getting caught.
+--- 58071903
+>>58071180
+grim but probably true
+--- 58071915
+>>58071388
+Yes, because at their core they are still slavs. They care just as much about symbolism as Russians. They will try and steal the show, ridicule Moscow and try to appease their Western masters because they know the endless stream of free gibs will stop if they don't succeed. This is a reminder that Ukraine would fall in weeks if Western aid would stop.
+
+>inb4 vatnik
+>inb4 your army is a joke
+>inb4 brown hands typed this post
+
+I don't care, hohols can lose and disappear completely for all I care. Russia can have Ukraine, I don't give a shit about eastern euros still crying about their trauma about muh Soviet occupation. Let Belarus Moldova and Ukraine be the buffer zone, they're barren wastelands with zero to offer other than whores. Let's just heavily militarize the border all the way from Finland al the way to Romania and call it a day. I'm tired of this shit.
+--- 58071927
+>>58071388
+Ukraine mainly concern themselves with practicalities and not symbolism, but at the least they might do more drone strikes on that day, maybe also HIMARS strikes, just to blacken the pidors' eyes some more
+--- 58071933
+>>58071915
+If you don't care so much why do you keep posting about how much you don't care on a literal regular fucking basis faggot? A sensible person would stop screeching like some old man or lady about em kids on their lawn and find something else to do than whine all the time like you are.
+--- 58071952
+>>58071915
+Realists deserve the fucking rope.
+--- 58071954
+>>58071915
+>I don't care
+>but I can't stop whining about it.
+If you are a westerner or even american, then you're just an idiot butthurt about your petty causes not being the center of attention. 
+Literal Karen behaviour. Good luck asking for the manager of /k/
+--- 58071960
+>>58071952
+>Realists
+I hate that these faggots use that name when they're just amoral sell outs and grifters. They're not "realists" at all.
+--- 58072003
+>>58071915
+How's the AIDS going for you?
+--- 58072088
+ERA covered Lada 1200's
+--- 58072119
+>>58071284
+Early during the war, Ukrainians found the remnants of mutilated dogs, vatniks nailed their pawns.
+--- 58073096
+>>58071915
+Much obliged
+--- 58073322
+>>58073309
+Oh, you are having me on. No way.
+--- 58073558
+>>58071915
+>try to appease their Western masters
+Western master here, the Ukrainians can do whatever they want. 
+ ▲
+▲ ▲
+--- 58074234
+>>58071708
+It looks pretty nice.
+--- 58074332
+>>58073309
+What even are these?
+--- 58074393
+>>58071772
+politics doesn't matter much when you're stuck in a trench in Bakhmut and the 7th wave of Wagner mobiks is approaching
+--- 58074505
+>>58073309
+Is this photoshopped? I can't tell anymore
+--- 58074523
+>>58074332
+It's a photoshop. But to answer the real question, those were first generation cope cages meant to disrupt Javelin/NLAW top-attack capability. It doesn't work, even conceptually, but the Russian MOD had them put on as a morale booster.
+--- 58074577
+The parade will go on as normal because the same units are used for it each year. 
+I suspect the Ukrainians will launch their offensives a day or two before. Not using the holiday itself and giving Putin an extra talking point.
+--- 58074584
+>>58070946 (OP)
+--- 58074599
+>>58071028
+There's not going to be any civvies there. Usually civilians carry photos of their ancestors who served or died in battle, and kremlin is worried that this year they will have photos of the guys who died in Ukraine and they don't want that
+--- 58074636
+>>58074584
+India, good friend Russia, represent well
+--- 58074640
+>>58071708
+It's pretty alright, just like St. Pete's historic centre
+Mind you, both were built by actual europeans
+--- 58074678
+>>58073558
+Glowniggers can't triforce.
+--- 58074944
+>>58070946 (OP)
+>to start a nuclear war
+With fucking what, you stupid bitch? Fuck off back to vkontakte, subhuman.
+--- 58074955
+>>58071155
+Can't miss the biggest gay parade of the year.
+--- 58074967
+>>58071708
+This is just irrational hate by association. It's a beautiful church.
+--- 58074973
+>>58071215
+Dark Brandon parachutes in and shoots Putin in the head with a 1911, then orders the parade to continue. They comply.
+--- 58074980
+>>58071708
+It's a beautiful building, what's hard to believe is that it was built by those subhumans.
+--- 58074985
+>>58074505
+Of course not. What are you, a vatnik?
+--- 58075003
+>>58071708
+It does look like a circus tent, desu
+--- 58075025
+>>58071028
+dont tempt me.even the thought makes me hard.TRD cant come soon enough.
+--- 58075053
+>>58071952
+>Realist
+>just let vatnikstan expand, what's the worst that could happen, right?
+>not completely humiliating them, turning their shithole into a balkanized shithole chink vassal state, which is their natural state.
+I don't think you know what that word means.
+--- 58075061
+>>58071772
+I think the early morning of victory day would be the sweet spot.
+So the news is spreading while the (((people))) are preparing for the festivities.
+--- 58075164
+>>58071279
+>no rehearsal
+They didn't rehearse for their war, why would they rehearse for the victory parade?
+--- 58075198
+>>58071822
+9/10 
+> this isnt about the future..we fighting for the past
+>banans..I want to give them to you....
+--- 58075292
+>Niggerwhipper 5000 crashed through a wall and goes HAM on the high ranking military
+>Then turns it lashes of justice against the bystanders
+--- 58075688
+>>58070946 (OP)
+i wonder if they'll parade some "liberated" children again?
+--- 58076203
+>>58074332
+what you get when you order a Rolls-Royce off wish.com
+--- 58077070
+>>58071915
+Yeah...But why are you brown though?
+--- 58077182
+>>58071028
+>That's horrible to think of anon, think of all the innocents there who could be hurt.
+Unfortunately, I'm a sadist and find such thoughts arousing.
+--- 58077206
+>Victory day parade 
+soon™
+--- 58077242
+>>58070946 (OP)
+I need to celebrate it in a different way if something spectacular happens.
+Just imagine the meltdown
+--- 58077373
+Russia so stronk it's reduced to attempted flag theft.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N3-eY3ljTE [Embed]
+--- 58078731
+>>58071373
+>armatard and dennis
+armatard/dennis
+--- 58080427
+>>58077242
+Wont you be busy getting raped and beaten by russian chimpout like every may 9th?
+--- 58081191
+>>58071028
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
+--- 58081353
+>>58070946 (OP)
+>what russian equipment will we see
+I think there have been leaks/confirmation that it's mostly T-34 and some artillery peaces
+>will bakhmut finally be captured
+I have a sneaking suspicion they'll say it is, no matter what the reality on the ground may be
+>are we getting a drone false flag to start a nuclear war
+This meme needs to die already. If Russia wanted to us nukes they had a million excuses in the past. Using nukes has a very high political cost, they decided to pay the cost of mobilization instead (and are seemingly preparing to do so again) so unless things on the ground change dramatically I don't see Russian nukes anytime soon
+--- 58081359
+>>58071708
+What the hell is your problem mate? Eastern European Churches look fucking cool
+--- 58081378
+>>58071279
+>>58075164
+Is it going to be a reverse of February 24th then?
+>we were stationed in Bakhmut nobody expected to go home
+>they told us not to worry, tomorrow would be just another day of frontal assaults on yet another building complex
+>at night they loaded us on trucks, nobody knew where we were going, probably another assault somewhere else
+>only when I saw the sign saying Moscow it started to dawn on me
+>they unloaded us on the Red Square and told us to march
+>we were expecting to be greeted by bombs and shells, but got hugs and flowers instead

k/58071348.txt

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+-----
+--- 58071348
+Is this worth it?
+--- 58071353
+>two magazines
+what form of power is this
+--- 58071365
+>>58071353
+can't call it a vfg
+--- 58071371
+>>58071348 (OP)
+Just buy an SMG
+Pros :
+- doesn't look gay
+- better in every single way
+Cons :
+- tad more vbucks
+--- 58071385
+wot can u like switch between the magos or something 
+then woweee you get 2 different types of ammo to have at same time otherwise it’s 2 things to fuck around with on reload instead of just 1 magazine, which is annoying 
+looks kinda 90s in a bad way also
+--- 58071430
+>>58071353
+>you see Ivan, when using two mags you fire two bullet, since back bullet pushes front bullet
+--- 58071435
+Wit da switch
+--- 58071596
+>>58071353
+looks like a sort of ingenious mag holder that works as a grip
+--- 58071603
+>>58071596
+Actually never the fuck mind, how would you even comfortably hold that?
+--- 58071614
+>>58071603
+Super fast reloads
+--- 58072094
+>>58071371
+Does it really though?to have what's in OPs pic, you are just shy of $1000 dollars (give or take within reason) and there's quite a few offerings for 9mm sub guns in that range or better.
+--- 58072107
+>>58071353
+2 springs
+
+>lmao 2 spring!
+--- 58072149
+Want one for a shoulder dangle kinda rig
+--- 58072248
+>>58071371
+No point in buying a smg when its just semi-auto anyways
+--- 58072263
+>>58071385
+You are trolling right?
+--- 58072474
+>>58072248
+Fun and cheap and quiet, but yes
+--- 58072494
+>>58071348 (OP)
+No, the B&T is far superior, in that configuration the 320 in knows for breaking ejectors, and you need to buy an aftermarket trigger component so it doesn't fire OOB
+--- 58072500
+>>58071371
+a semi auto submachine gun isn't a submachine gun, anon. its just a sub.
+--- 58072539
+>>58072248
+Better suppressability (unless you're using rifle cartridges that perform like pistol cartridges anyway)
+Physically smaller guns (unless you're using rifle cartridges that perform like pistol cartridges anyway)
+Physically smaller magazines
+--- 58073060
+micro PP energy
+--- 58073083
+>>58071348 (OP)
+Wait for them to make the heavy version for the Xten. It's kind of a waste to buy the M17 zogbot LARP pistol and put all that meme shit on it unless you want a P320 with a safety for some reason. :^)
+--- 58073475
+>>58071371
+Flux is smaller and more compact than an SMG. And you can have a based .357 sig or or 10mm setup that is the ideal backpack gun and greatly boosts the range and effectiveness of a regular handgun. If you want a larger sub gun then there is no reason to not have a suppressed .300blk rifle with a collapsible stock and an 8 inch barrel, which ends up being more compact, much more energetic, and still very quiet when compared with MP5 or other more modern smg's.
+--- 58073609
+This dude did a good break down of the value the Flux offers. 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqMb0aIBqHk&ab_channel=BrassFacts [Embed]
+--- 58073645
+>>58073609
+Is that someone who actually uses his guns AND is reasonable about boogshit? This mans logic and reason is obviously paid shilling and because I barely shoot I must hate him for being better than me. 
+-every sub low IQ /k/tard
+--- 58073697
+>>58071348 (OP)
+No Rolando,
+no one cares that you spent your paycheck on some stupid Sig trash mod.
+--- 58074257
+I think the B&T TP9 fills the same (so small its almost nonexistent) role better.
+--- 58074938
+I dont get the pdw chasis hype, you greatly increase size and weight for marginal stability benefits. Every one I've fired has had a terrible length of pull, nonexistent check weld, and wobbles. 
+
+Just get better with your pistol or carry an lw ar. I can hit a steel silhouette at 300 yards, I believe that you probably can too.
+--- 58074943
+Why is everyone obsessed with the raider when the glock kit is way smaller and lighter?
+--- 58075151
+>>58074938
+Man I can't even SEE a steel silhouette at 300 yards without magnification
+--- 58075207
+>>58071603
+really comfortable to hold, Was at a gunshow where a guy has a similar product and the angled magazine holder is actually pretty comfy.
+--- 58075425
+>>58074943
+320 FCU system allows the sight to be mounted more securely, keep zero better, not flex as much, etc by replacing the lower completely.
+--- 58075470
+>>58075425
+Yeah thats cool and all but slide mounted dots have worked just fine for decades.
+--- 58075533
+>>58075470
+also has a cool magazine change mechanic, where you can either drop a single mag or both at the same time to go fast
+--- 58075589
+>>58075533
+That's pretty neat! But you can do that with the flashmag by just grabbing the spare.
+--- 58075655
+>>58075470
+No, they've been workable and better than nothing for decades. They've never been just fine.
+--- 58075704
+>>58075470
+slide mounted dots are a toss up as to whether they live past like 5k rounds fired.
+Electronics weren't really meant to sustain that many Gs for so many repetitions.
+I'm waiting for something like the Laugo alien style of weapon with fixed top uppers but moving sides to become more common.
+--- 58075967
+>>58075655
+Damn that's crazy you better go tell the entire competitive scene real quick before it's too late!!
+--- 58075985
+>>58071348 (OP)
+As a class of weapon they're in the "overpriced toy" category. I could maybe see an argument to be made for a bedside gun if you've got reason to not want a rifle or shotgun.
+Nice to have some sort of chassis thing in the range kit for shits and goggles though.
+--- 58076008
+>>58075985
+*i
+--- 58076306
+>>58075967
+They already know.
+--- 58077391
+I was thinking of buying a second cheap P320 just for the FCU so I could get one of these
+But all together with an optic and light is like $1500 
+I feel like I could get a better can for that price
+--- 58078476
+>>58071348 (OP)
+>we've made the perfect solution for a PDW, using an existing pistol "platform"
+>limited run! random drops! exclusively sent out to instafag influencers!
+--- 58078526
+>>58078476
+And with the brace ban it's basically just a fancy oversized pistol now because they can't even come with the brace.
+--- 58078542
+>>58071371
+>- doesn't look gay
+wrong
+--- 58078654
+>>58075533
+Yeah, that's a pretty neat gimmick
+>grab front mag with left hand
+>push catch with thumb
+>remove mag
+>rear mag has already fallen free
+>insert mag
+It's a neat system, but of course the problem is your right hand is sitting right there on the pistol grip doing nothing the whole time, so you could just as easily have pushed the rear mag catch with your right thumb at any point during the process.
+--- 58079649
+>>58073645
+kys brassfags
+--- 58080657
+>>58071348 (OP)
+that's an assault rifle
+--- 58080771
+>>58071365
+If that’s actually how it works, that’s really clever.
+--- 58081515
+>>58074943
+Yeh, i like the original better too, i don't think they even make it anymore though. i just kinda think the raider is bulky and ugly as shit, but the old one is kinda flawed in that i believe you can cause malfunctions by holding the 'not a grip' too hard, and most people hate the 'not a stock' (not that the new one is much better)

k/58071511.txt

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+-----
+--- 58071511
+Which personality is the best for soldiers and generals?
+--- 58071544
+>using a shit test that gives different results over a period of time.
+Okay senpai
+--- 58071628
+>>58071511 (OP)
+Surely, mine
+--- 58071695
+Probably INFP, because they're tedious actual retards and everybody would be better off if they were getting shot or vaporized by IEDs.
+--- 58071760
+>>58071544
+yeah, it's not perfect
+the main flaw is that trait distribution generally follows gaussian distribution, which means most people are somewhere in the middle of all the 4 trait dichotomies and don't have strong personality quirks either way
+Say, one day you score 51% introversion score because you have been busy and not going out, another day you score 49%
+--- 58071788
+>>58071511 (OP)
+probably the one in the armyman outfit or the knight armor
+but in the new woke military (liberals!) probably the one on the bottom right LOL!!!
+--- 58071814
+Whichever type is the polar opposite of the most common type in Russia.
+--- 58071818
+>>58071544
+>test that gives different results over a period of time.
+Personality should change with wisdom and life experience as you learn to react differently to people and situations.
+--- 58071835
+>>58071818
+This from experience
+
+t. used to be a complete retard (INFP) but learnt to think logically and am now just an empathy-barren mess (INTP)
+--- 58071853
+>>58071511 (OP)
+ISTJ and ESTJ are perfect soldiers. ISTP and ESTP are mercenaries. INFJ and ENFJ are war mascot. ENTJ and INTJ as commanders. ESFJ and ISFJ as medics. ENTP and INTP as most likely to rebel. ESFP and ISFP are most likely to get traumatized ENFP and INFP are most likely to be remembered by enemies as the person who gave them cigarettes
+--- 58071870
+>general staff
+INTJ
+ISTJ
+>NCOs
+ENTJ
+ESTJ
+>common soldiers
+ESTP
+--- 58071878
+>>58071853
+OuKi is ENTP, and most decent Generals are extroverts. Faggot desk jockeys and Air Force "Generals" are introverts.
+--- 58071928
+>>58071511 (OP)
+You don't actually take this shit seriously do you? You know it's all baseless pseudoscience right? It's for picking up bitches on tinder, similar to horoscopes. There are thousands of genes and unquantifiable numbers of environmental factors that determine personality. Believing in personality types is a sign of mental weakness.
+--- 58071971
+>>58071878
+Prospering personality is bad to serve as part of chain of command. Such personality can make top leader, but they would not steadily tow the line as generals for the leader. "Rules are made to be broken" and they are first to consider coup to change their command if things go bad.
+--- 58071986
+>>58071928
+Shit works m8. I checked all my lifelong childhood friends (made them long before I knew about personality types). They fit personality compatibility perfectly.
+--- 58072337
+>>58071878
+>most decent Generals are extroverts
+yeah and the ones better than just "decent" were introverts
+acting on emotions is the last thing you want from a general (or any soldier for that matter)
+I mean you don't want a dull, emotionless commander either, but the best commanders were not boisterous party animals
+>>58071928
+it just labels traits people already observe on themselves
+it doesn't predict your personality by date of birth
+--- 58072439
+>>58071835
+I am considered knowledgeable but still always score INFP. And I am definitely introverted and nothing is going to change that in the foreseeable future. I just suffer the "I hope this person likes me and will do whatever it takes for that person to like me"-syndrome and end up with no strong opinions whatsoever.
+--- 58072549
+>>58071986
+100 iq comment
+--- 58072568
+>>58071511 (OP)
+>INFP
+Meyers Briggs is crap:
+https://www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5881947/myers-briggs-personality-test-meaningless
+(yeah, it's vox, but there are lots of useful sources linked in the piece)
+--- 58072627
+>>58072568
+>Several analyses have shown the test is totally ineffective at predicting people's success in various jobs
+Let me guess. They forgot to include IQ into their analysis.
+
+I found it is most useful to predict compatibility of people working in small face to face teams. You put "red" incompatible people into one room and you will get cat and dog quarell and no job done. And if you check "randomly naturally" assembled teams that successfully work for a long time together you find them having good or perfect match.
+--- 58072685
+Isn't this test just to see who gets a Green Lantern ring?
+--- 58072792
+>>58071511 (OP)
+What the fuck is this?
+--- 58072810
+INFJ brotherhood reporting in
+--- 58072823
+>>58072337
+You literally can't be a great captain of men if you're an introvert. Every legendary battlefield commander has been an extrovert. 
+I'll grant that great strategists such as Koumei might have been introverts. 
+And of course the average socially-maladjusted Air Force dweeb is an introvert. But that's another matter entirely. 
+ENTP is the ideal combination of traits for a great general of the heavens.
+--- 58072830
+>>58071511 (OP)
+ISTJ and it's not even close
+--- 58072847
+>>t. used to be a complete retard (INFP) but learnt to think logically and am now just an empathy-barren mess (INTP)
+
+A) Your still a retard
+B) I doubt you ever were INFP because only few % in males are and most people are wrong.
+
+The 16personality test is fucking garbage. If you want to know your type you have to learn about the functions.
+
+btw. INFPs and INTPs have almost the same intelligence and INFPs are very calm and not emotional on the outside. Look at Keanu for example. What people think how INFPs behave is how ENFPs behave.
+--- 58072856
+>4channel drones believe this normie horoscope nonsense
+oh how this website has fallen
+--- 58072860
+>>58071511 (OP)
+>meyers-briggs
+Omg, these are so fun! I'm an aquarius ;P
+--- 58072877
+>>58072860
+The Y2K aesthetic was when the western world peaked.
+--- 58072896
+>>58071511 (OP)
+The only reason MBTI is popular is because its free. The good personality tests with data backing them up cost money to use so everyone settles for the pop science facebook personality quiz. 
+
+Deep down they all know personality tests are actually stupid bullshit everyone lies on and its not worth spending a cent on this stupid shit.
+--- 58072901
+>>58072847
+>Your
+>calls other people retards
+
+Besides, I never said I wasn't a retard, just not a complete one. Learn to read.
+--- 58072979
+>>58071511 (OP)
+Unironically astrology has more merit than this shit
+--- 58073002
+>feel good reddit horoscope
+what the fuck anon? you know this barely scratches the surface of how complex personality is, right?
+most niggers who do this test do it on that god awful site that tells you a bunch of cute, vague things about yourself and you can go "waow, this is so me!!1!1!!1"
+--- 58073090
+>>58071511 (OP)
+clearly ENFJ as he is the only one with a weapon
+--- 58073196
+>>58072877
+>>58072860
+Come pick up your y2k teen fashion waifu.
+--- 58073436
+>>58071544
+I've gotten the same result every time I've taken it, and I've done it once or twice a year for more than ten years.
+--- 58073454
+>>58072860
+i am cancer
+--- 58073466
+>>58071511 (OP)
+>which astrological sign is best for soldiers and generals
+A lobotomy could do you no harm OP.
+--- 58073474
+>>58071511 (OP)
+Deeply flawed test.
+--- 58073970
+>>58073196
+>sagittarius
+kek
+--- 58077429
+Why are people so buttmad over a test? Lmao
+--- 58077876
+>>58071511 (OP)
+>believing in choose your own astrology
+kek
+--- 58080690
+>>58071760
+Its main flaw is that it was invented by a woman(first red flag) who was a Carl Jung fanatic(second red flag) and a violent racist who wrote a horror storyu about a white family who was found to have "a single drop of adrican blood"(thrid red flag). And that's just the tip of the iceberg on how fucking insane Isabel Briggs Meyers was.
+--- 58080700
+>>58080690
+>storyu
+>adrican
+FML but you get my point.

k/58071592.txt

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+-----
+--- 58071592
+Which tanks fight better in snow? Leopard or Abrams?
+--- 58071701
+this ninja warrior shit is so fucking infantile, i sometimes dont know whether i'm ok /k/ or the call of duty forums
+--- 58071705
+>>58071592 (OP)
+My dude it is fucking May
+--- 58071707
+Finns use Leopards, I guess they work better than Abrams
+--- 58071727
+>>58071592 (OP)
+
+it doesn't matter. All western Tanks outperform the russian shit. 
+
+They will always be better at everything. The minimal differences between western tanks don't matter a little bit when they blow russian trash into the orbit, since they will always fight shoulder to shoulder against their enemys.
+--- 58071734
+>>58071592 (OP)
+no, its not
+--- 58071741
+>>58071701
+Abrams have the power, but leopards have speed and agility. if i had to bet, I got money on the leopard swooping in and landing a big banger head on
+--- 58071750
+>>58071592 (OP)
+>Winter is coming
+So you live in the south hemisphere, kek
+--- 58071754
+>>58071741
+And where is Challenger 2 or LeClerc in this hypothetical competition?
+--- 58071757
+>>58071592 (OP)
+>Winter is coming
+Nigger are you from New Zealand or something? It isn't even fucken summer yet.
+--- 58072056
+>>58071592 (OP)
+>he doesn't know about snow leopards
+--- 58072223
+>>58071701
+>THIS SUMMER
+>THE WORLDS DEADLIEST TANK
+>against... THE WORLDS DEADLIEST TANK
+>in a competition full of weird ass hypotheticals, but devoid of any real informed input
+>we put TWO TONKS
+>in a POOL full of SCORPIONS
+>after FLOODING them with HOT SAUCE
+>and replaced their main guns WITH PLASTIC SWORDS
+>in an UNDERWATER
+>TANK
+>JOUSTING COMPETITION
+>in a BURNING DUCK BROTHEL
+>on THE MOON
+
+really it's never like "oh so basically we have no idea about either tank/soldier/gun/armor's capabilities and most of the time victory and defeat hinge on the most random shit like a soldier not paying attention or a dead rabbit getting stuck in the optics so the real answer is that nobody fucking knows", it's always this dumb ass clickbait shit full of variables that make zero sense in situations that are even dumber
+
+>who would in in a zombie apocalypse, 10 navy seals who have type 2 diabetes or 10 spetznatz who are allergic to cucumbers and squirrels
+like nigga what the fuck is this competition even, how often does this shit happen irl
+--- 58072238
+>>58071741
+I always thought they had the same gun
+--- 58072448
+>>58071592 (OP)
+Leos are better suited for winter warfare, but they're not as good as their Swedish modification (Stridsvagn)
+--- 58072465
+>>58072223
+Tank jousting sounds awesome
+--- 58072641
+>>58072465
+More fun that horse jousting for sure
+--- 58073013
+>>58071705
+Winter is still coming (in 6 months)
+--- 58073421
+>>58072238
+ENGINE power.
+--- 58074238
+>>58072448
+Just curious, what are the differences?
+--- 58075170
+>>58071705
+>he doesn't know
+--- 58075532
+Nothing can beat T-90 in this
+--- 58075684
+>>58073013
+Not really. It's not going to be a "real" winter in Ukraine until January at least. So that's almost 8 months from now.
+--- 58075717
+>>58075532
+Yeah the t90 is totally unstoppable, luckily ukraine captured a whole bunch of them so the counteroffensive will certianly succeed
+--- 58075740
+>>58075170
+I wonder if russkies are going to push "they're going to freeze!" this winter.
+--- 58075873
+>>58072238
+Same gun but in reality Tungsten can't match the penetration or after armor effect of depleted uranium.
+--- 58075885
+>>58075740
+yes, they will.
+ukrainians were "freezing" every winter since orange revolution (with a short break during yanukovich cadence)
+--- 58075899
+>>58071592 (OP)
+Will Abrams even be in Ukraine by winter?
+--- 58075980
+>>58074238
+None that are relevant for arctic warfare.
+Compared to A5
+>Add-on Armor 
+>Upgraded C2 system
+>Upgraded FCS
+>Improved suspension for the added weight
+>+ some minor things
+Most Leopard platforms are rather old and are upgraded as time goes on, the upgrade packages are modular and are either exchangable or build on top of each other so to speak, the Stridsvagn is an upgrade to the A5.
+The A6 has the improved L/55 cannon, the Stridsvagn doesn't afaik but they are "upgrade-ready" to accept the longer gun.
+--- 58076070
+>>58071705
+>it is fucking May
+˙ɹǝʞuɐM ǝıssn∀ ɐ s,ǝH 'uou∀ ǝɔıN ǝᙠ
+--- 58076389
+>>58075873
+depends on velocity.
+--- 58076713
+>>58071592 (OP)
+abrams does well on snow but it needs almost twice as much gas as the leopard 2.
+--- 58076809
+>>58075170
+--- 58080024
+>>58071592 (OP)
+Leopards, but not to a degree that you'd have to worry about using an Abrams in any meaningful way if your country has the logistics to use them in the first place.
+--- 58080064
+>>58072238
+>>58075873
+Don't newer Leos have the longer version? Did the Abrams ever get that upgrade?
+--- 58080127
+Abrams is probably better, but it really depends. If its the Sep V3 with the AMP and M829A4, then yeah no contest, the Abrams wins 9 outta 10 times.
+--- 58080146
+Abrams
+--- 58080604
+>>58071727
+do amerimutts really believe this?
+--- 58080626
+>>58071592 (OP)
+I have a better question: Summer is coming so which tank has the best A/C? Do russian tanks even have good enough ventilation to keep from cooking the crew on a hot day?
+--- 58080673
+>>58076389
+Eh, kinda. Tungsten only outperforms DU at extreme velocities like 2000 m/s but you could just make a longer DU penetrator which while slower will have a greater penetration than the faster tungsten projectile (penetration is mostly a matter of density, projectile length, and velocity). The US uses slow (1500ish m/s) projectiles with really long penetrators allowing them to outperform German ammunition fired from the L/55.
+--- 58080682
+>>58080626
+Russian tanks can cook crews in any weather.
+--- 58080712
+>>58080682
+What was that tank who's heater was so anemic the driver would get frostbite?
+--- 58080967
+>>58072223
+Hysterical post

k/58071599.txt

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+-----
+--- 58071599
+So which one would actually be a better choice for home defense?
+
+Pros of Scorpion
+>20 round mag
+>Has a "stock"
+>Accurate
+
+Cons of Scorpion
+>.32 ACP vs 9x19
+>Harder, but not impossible to mount red dot and a light
+--- 58071607
+>>58071599 (OP)
+>Harder, but not impossible to mount red dot and a light
+Post link to buy
+--- 58071621
+>>58071599 (OP)
+Why not get an MPA Mac clone?
+--- 58071649
+>>58071621
+Gotta get a used one in that case. MPA just makes 2011s and competition bolt-guns now.
+--- 58071669
+>>58071599 (OP)
+I would take a Scorpion as my EDC any day of the week as long as it's an NFA one with a fun switch
+--- 58071847
+>>58071607
+There are different options but they are in Europe.
+--- 58071976
+>>58071847
+So unobtanium in USA.
+--- 58072063
+>>58071607
+>>58071976
+Unless have a fixed stock, none of the mounts will be suitable if it's SBR wire folder.
+--- 58072191
+>>58071976
+https://islemfg.com/vz-61-optic-mount/
+This looks better than anything we have available in Europe.
+--- 58072246
+>>58072191
+Have to use a side folding or fixed stock with it. Looks gay.
+--- 58072399
+>.32acp
+
+it's the cost.
+--- 58072432
+>>58071649
+Are you sure about that
+--- 58072447
+>>58071599 (OP)
+alternatively you could just get a vz61 chambered in 9mm
+--- 58072521
+>>58072447
+There are some made by CSA in .380 ACP and 9x18 but the original is much better in terms of recoil, it's like norecoil cheats.
+
+>>58072399
+--- 58072586
+The US civi models don't have the wire stock, you would have to legally and lawfully do nothing to add a wire to it
+--- 58072613
+>>58072586
+That's just nonsense.
+
+>>58072399
+Which is a fucking shame, .32 ACP is the ultimate plinking round.
+--- 58073006
+>>58071599 (OP)
+7,65Br. is ideal as Shower gun
+--- 58073056
+>>58071599 (OP)
+I like my vz. 61, but it's really just a range toy without the fun switch. If you're in the US, the only ammo we can buy here that are hot enough to cycle the action are S&B and PPU.
+--- 58074242
+>>58073006
+That's a very nice shower man.
+--- 58075192
+>>58074242
+Want to come over and check it out?
+--- 58075313
+>>58071599 (OP)
+They could've made the Evo II (a Scorpion in 9x19) but no. They canned the fucking beauty and slathered the project with the Evo 3
+--- 58075616
+>>58073006
+What's the other, red "gun"?
+--- 58076514
+>>58074242
+Thank you Anon 
+
+>>58075616
+Medium Mundir the Wolf from NeoTori
+--- 58076578
+>>58071599 (OP)
+Tec-9 or any equivalent clone like a Kimel AP-9.
+
+9mm pistol with Scorpion format.
+--- 58077647
+>>58071599 (OP)
+If this bitch was select fire, I'd say get that.
+--- 58081014
+anybody with a skorp and a micrometer want to contribute me a dimension?
+the length of the magwell. i lined the edges of my two ideal surfaces in pic related.
+--- 58081023
+>>58081014
+pic related is the printable i'm working on that your dimension will be put toward
+--- 58081103
+the stock wooberdoober is successfully duplicated
+--- 58081731
+>>58081014
+Buy a homeless person food. Pay it forward.
+--- 58081780
+>>58081731
+Anon, I am the homeless person needing food...
+--- 58081820
+>>58081780
+Fatherless response anon

k/58071793.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,130 @@
+-----
+--- 58071793
+I can't decide between a Glock 19 and a 43X. Can /k/ help me decide?
+--- 58071855
+it will make no meaningful difference in your life
+--- 58071859
+And something to add. I'm leaning more toward the 43X, and just using an extended magazine whenever I'm at home or wearing clothes it can be more easily concealed. But, I'm also drawn to the 19 because it can do everything without me having to think about it any, or having to worry about swapping out magazines. It's a really hard choice for me. And I don't have the money to buy both.
+--- 58071863
+>>58071793 (OP)
+Beretta Px4
+--- 58071883
+>>58071793 (OP)
+43x is the superior carry with the s15 mags. not capacity difference than the 19, and theyre really comfy.
+--- 58071885
+go to the gun store and hold both and decide for yourself.
+the difference is marginal.
+--- 58071921
+It's the same gun, get whatever is cheaper.
+--- 58071945
+>>58071793 (OP)
+Glock 19 as it's better #1. Also the clipazine is interchangeable with the 26 and 17 as are some of the parts. You get larger capacity and ability to drop in the 33 round BBClipazine. For me the Glock 19 just seems to fit perfectly. Not too big, not too small. I also own a regular G43 that I keep as small and compact as possible for max covertness.
+--- 58072030
+>>58071883
+Is there any critical issues with the s15 magazines?
+--- 58072219
+>>58071883
+
+whats the story with these? are these steel magazines similar to the 365?
+--- 58072328
+>>58071793 (OP)
+Glonk 19/45.
+Get you that competition magwell action
+--- 58072345
+Personally I carry a gen 5 19. It fits my hands better than the 43x. I can't get the grip down on the 43. I'm not a huge guy by any means but have no issue concealing it.
+--- 58072352
+>>58071793 (OP)
+All the choices of handguns in the world and you box yourself into getting a Glawk brand Glawk lmao
+--- 58072365
+19 and a 43 if you’re looking for the most based combo
+--- 58072409
+>>58071859
+Keep in mind that the 19 is significantly fatter. You're going to feel it a lot more during a long day than its skinny cousin if you're concealing. Comfort can make the difference between a safe queen and an EDC.
+--- 58072411
+>>58071793 (OP)
+G48
+--- 58072444
+>>58071793 (OP)
+Beretta APX
+--- 58072472
+>>58071793 (OP)
+Everyone should have a 19, if nothing else as a baseline and backup
+--- 58072483
+Get an HK P30 or P30S. Call it a day, the gun will likely outlive you.
+--- 58072590
+>>58072411
+/thread
+
+G19 is too THICC
+G43 is too short
+G48 is JUUUUST right
+--- 58073037
+>>58071793 (OP)
+Why do they both look so dusty?
+--- 58073355
+>>58072483
+Yeah when you get killed because it jammed kekw
+--- 58073420
+>>58071859
+Do you larp? If you have gear in which would would overtly carry a pistol then a 19x would be better. If it's strictly concealed carry then the 43x is better
+--- 58074809
+43X is literally designed for baby hands and fat guys who can't hide a real gun.
+--- 58075351
+>>58072590
+I hadn't heard of the G48. Okay, I'm thinking about this one too.
+--- 58075373
+>>58071793 (OP)
+17L
+--- 58075434
+>>58075351
+It's long enough that you don't feel like every shot is throwing your barrel up by an inch, and narrow enough that it's comfortably concealable.
+
+Also personally great for me since I live in a state with a 10+1 capacity limit for handguns anyway so the G48 being 10+1 by default is just right for me.
+--- 58075512
+>>58075434
+I was looking up the G48, and the only difference between the G48 and the G43X is the slide. So the G48 is just a .5 in longer slide. 
+
+The good thing about this is, I can just buy a G43X and then buy a G48 slide and swap them out whenever I want more concealability or something that shoots better.
+
+I think this is the best choice. Buying either the 43X or the 48 and then buying an extra slide to convert to the other when needed.
+--- 58075605
+>>58075512
+It's 0.76"
+
+Barrel length on G43x is 3.41" (87mm) G48 is 4.17" (106mm)
+
+And slide length is slightly longer still at ~0.79" difference between the two (154mm vs 174mm)
+
+
+I personally just didn't like how snappy the G43 was when I shot it and have always preferred the barrel length the G48 offers as it's just a bit more controllable in my hands so I never even considered swapping between the two, though I have seen some youtube videos on it.
+--- 58075780
+>>58072030
+>>58072219
+As long as you get the metal mag release with it, works flawlessly. Only downside is the normie 10 rounds get stuck sometimes but who cares.
+--- 58075860
+>>58071793 (OP)
+G19, then G47, then G43X. Then threaded barrel for all.
+--- 58077111
+>>58071793 (OP)
+Just get a 19. Speaking from personal experience, I found the G48 didn’t conceal any better than my G23. G19 has cheaper mags and more aftermarket support.
+Now if Glock got their heads out of their asses and started producing 15 rounders so that we don’t gotta buy overpriced S15 mags to make the 48/43x practical, then my opinion would maybe be different.
+--- 58077175
+>>58077111
+Gen 3 G19 maybe, Gen 5 G19 no.
+
+Gen 3 is 1.26" wide, Gen 5 is 1.34" wide
+
+G48 is 1.10" wide.
+G23 is 1.26" wide
+
+
+Gen 5 G19 is noticeably thiccer.
+--- 58077700
+>>58077175
+I don’t have a Gen 5 but I’m pretty certain the added width is purely due to the slide catch now being on both sides. Glock seems to measure at the controls and not at the grip itself. Same with Gen 3, they measure at the thumb rest since it’s the thickest part but not the actual side of the grip. It’s definitely an honest way to measure it but it’s also not entirely accurate. Definitely not debating the fact that Glocks are thicc though, that’s true
+--- 58079368
+>>58071793 (OP)
+My edc is a 43. Absolutely love it but you get get picrel for a g19.
+--- 58080195
+>>58072030
+Cost vs g19 basic mags

k/58071968.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,124 @@
+-----
+--- 58071968
+Today is Italy's Army 162nd birthday
+--- 58071987
+162 years of surrendering and losing
+--- 58072453
+>>58071987
+Shut up, they did fine until WW2, and they have their own MIC since the Cold War.
+t.spaniard
+--- 58073282
+Nobody gives a shit
+Source: l'esercito è assistenzialismo per terroni
+--- 58073295
+>>58071987
+Say that to my face not in the Alps and lets see what happens fucker
+--- 58073324
+>>58071968 (OP)
+Is there even a combat operative division in italy that's not filled with fucilieri and caporali zoomers?
+--- 58074825
+>>58071987
+Thats the french
+--- 58074850
+>>58073324
+You have to go into special forces tier shieet. Everything else is retard drooling mouth tier. Italy seems to give a fuck only about groups like GIS/comsumbin etc
+--- 58074892
+>>58071968 (OP)
+That's pretty neat
+--- 58074915
+>>58074825
+France has won more battles than any other state in history. What has Shitalians acheived since the fall of the WRE? Even the Ethopians kicked their shit in.
+--- 58075026
+>>58073282
+I terroni hanno modi migliori dell'esercito per mantenersi. Nessun terrone vuole alzarsi alle quattro di mattina, tantomeno per fare il piantone per 12 ore
+--- 58075209
+>>58075026
+>alzarsi alle quattro
+>piantone per 12 ore
+Figa se sei ritardato. Scommetto che non sei stato nel vfp4
+--- 58075252
+>>58075209
+Non sono da nessuna parte io. Ho lavorato in guardia costiera come esterno e loro si alzavano a quell'ora. E non mi chiamare sfigato che sono sensibile, cattivo.
+--- 58075544
+>>58074850
+I know some guys from Nembo who just sit around all day in their torn down barracks, sometimes they go to the range and fire a few bullets or a chopper picks them up and they do some drops
+--- 58075587
+>>58071987
+Um they won BOTH world wars
+--- 58075929
+>>58072453
+>they did fine in WW2
+>have to beg Germany to save them in Albania
+>have to beg Germany to save them in Libya
+--- 58076013
+>>58075959
+we joke about there being a few Armatas but the Ariete pretty much faces the same fate
+--- 58076250
+>>58071987
+Italy won most of the wars it was involved in
+--- 58076269
+>>58075959
+shitriete my beloved
+>>58076013
+there's definitely more arietes in working conditions than T-14
+--- 58076732
+not white
+--- 58076741
+die
+--- 58076746
+>>58071968 (OP)
+buon compleanno, lads!
+--- 58076810
+>>58076732
+>crushes your head like a peanut
+--- 58076984
+In about 30 minutes it's Italy 87th anniversary of entering Adis Abeba
+--- 58077832
+Why are anglos so mad about us on 4chan? It's embarassing lol
+--- 58077845
+>>58077832
+italians destroyed staten island
+--- 58077853
+>>58075959
+is the french flag non-negotiable?
+--- 58077889
+>>58077845
+>muh Italian immigration
+We don't even really consider them Italian anyway anymore and you only have to blame your politicians and your own "culture" of immigration.
+--- 58077915
+>>58077889
+>italian last name
+>italian customs
+>italian dna
+>you're not italian
+--- 58081367
+Let's remember them having to literally detonate a mountain to kill some tirolese farmers who smoked most of their elite alpini and bersaglieri troops for months. Just to get fired upon from the next mountain when they finally reached the top.
+--- 58081767
+>>58072453
+They really didn't do fine lol
+--- 58081777
+>>58081367
+what
+--- 58081783
+>>58071968 (OP)
+--- 58081815
+>>58075959
+i love the ariete like i love my son, i know it's a retard pice if shit but i love him regerdless
+--- 58081825
+>>58075929
+>>58081767
+Italy did ok during WW1 and the interwar years (SCW, colonies) until they fucked up in WW2.
+--- 58081828
+>>58077915
+>italian custom
+>gabagoool and meatballs
+
+yeah they are mutts alright
+--- 58081846
+>>58081825
+the bad rep of the italian army in WW1 is solely this retard mongolid's falut
+--- 58081928
+>>58081825
+Doing ok in WW1 with their 35 failed Isonzo attacks against an AH army that had been wiped out in Galicia a year prior, sure.
+
+Also losing every battle in their own wars of independence only to be bailed out by France and Prussia. Including losing a naval battle against fucking Austrians. Or that infamous intervention in the Spanish civil war where they got their ass kicked by the Republicans and Franco had to take control. Not to mention Adwa etc

k/58072057.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,248 @@
+-----
+--- 58072057
+One day with K-2 batallion. Eng subs
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZFs9_nASZo [Embed]
+--- 58072168
+>>58072057 (OP)
+Ehh Was okay. Bit sad how Slavic the communication from command still was. So much wasted words compared to a NATO militairy.
+--- 58072261
+>>58072057 (OP)
+Is that the flatnik guy?
+Too lazy to watch video
+--- 58072316
+>>58072261
+Yes. One of the better parts of the video.
+--- 58073247
+>around 600 vatnigs died durint T-shape road series
+--- 58073274
+>>58073247
+based, remove vatniggers and don't be afraid of anything
+--- 58074245
+There's some based shit in this video.
+--- 58074255
+>>58074245
+--- 58074301
+The difference between these vids and that captured Vatnik vlogger from a while back is astounding. The Russians were suffering horrible morale, lack of equipment, overall blackout drunk to the point of pissing themselves most of the time, it was embarrassing and that was last year. The Ukies from these vids seem to have high morale, good supply and aren’t bumbling drunk retards.
+--- 58074350
+>>58074245
+Extremely based quote
+--- 58074409
+Yes but where is summer offensive?
+Ahh yes two weeks
+--- 58074414
+>>58074301
+Are you talking about this one?
+youtube.com/watch?v=WIZIspwem2s [Embed]
+Or is there another one I don’t know about.
+
+But yeah, I noticed almost since the beginning the total difference in moods between the Russian and Ukrainian videos since the beginning. Even in the absolute worst conditions imaginable the Ukrainians have always had this resigned confidence about them. Like they never regretted being there.
+--- 58074427
+>>58074245
+--- 58074477
+>>58074427
+--- 58074489
+>>58074245
+--- 58074496
+>>58074409
+hopefully the 9th, would be based as fuck if they did it on victory day
+--- 58074511
+>>58073247
+>20:1 K:W ratio
+How have russians not gone extinct yet
+--- 58074553
+>>58074526
+--- 58074583
+>>58074526
+>it's almost as if there is a completely inorganic campaign to invert reality
+--- 58074591
+>>58074526
+>NATO is out of artillery ammo stocks
+This time for real, or like every day as russkies reported before?
+--- 58074602
+>>58074511
+They haven't fucked up this bad before.
+Even Winter War had them "only" dying 10:1 at worst.
+--- 58074634
+>>58074511
+>In March 2019 the FSIN has a total prisoner population of 558,778
+they still have a far from running of soldiers
+--- 58074642
+>>58074245
+--- 58074659
+>>58074638
+Isn't this pic was discussed here already, proved nothing and more than a month old? Also, I already saw it, why do you keep it on your computer? Are you russian propagandist?
+
+>>58074629
+>NATO says it's out of ammo socks
+Do you have the source?
+>buying from Israel and Korea now
+And?
+--- 58074668
+>>58074642
+Better cap for meme purposes.
+--- 58074670
+>>58074638
+But Zelensky said he wants more weapons and West gave more of those to him, I don't understand your question
+--- 58074707
+>>58074629
+>>buying from Israel and Korea now
+so it's not out of stock
+--- 58074728
+>>58074638
+by now i wouldn't trust anything zelensky says when it comes to ukraine's overall strategy. the guy basically says whatever he thinks west needs to hear to give more aid.
+--- 58074730
+>>58074638
+>>58074629
+--- 58074811
+>>58074511
+You're close to a breakthrough here.
+--- 58074847
+>>58074808
+Which question did you answer with no? That you work for russian agency? 
+>transvestite
+You forgot to add globohomo, ivan.
+--- 58074858
+>>58074245
+And last one because at the end of the day Slavic language is still Slavic language lmao
+
+This commander's pretty interesting and charismatic without coming off as though he's playing it up. Like he's just this sardonic, slightly salty, but competent dude kind of tired b doing the job. Hope he doesn't actually get in any trouble for speaking frankly near the end.
+--- 58074866
+>>58074858
+*kind of tired BUT doing the job
+--- 58074877
+>>58074808
+--- 58074890
+>>58072057 (OP)
+Boring, i want to see combat footage not this gay talking shit
+
+I'd watch sitcoms if i wanted to see faggots talking instead of fighting
+--- 58074921
+>>58074245
+kino
+--- 58074948
+>>58074858
+>Hope he doesn't actually get in any trouble
+With whom? West got too prosperous to have so many busybodies to find something like this a problem
+--- 58074958
+>>58074927
+You sound like a retarded vatnik. The only one you're fragging is yourself
+--- 58074989
+>>58074965
+wtf? straight couple foster homes would've never abused children!
+--- 58074996
+>>58074958
+Sorry i called your wife's Ukrainian bull insufferable.
+--- 58075010
+>>58074975
+I'm not the one so obsessed about trannies I made seething about them all the time a central part of my identity, but you do you my man
+--- 58075015
+>>58074996
+You should be sorry for breathing my air, maggot.
+--- 58075018
+>>58074965
+Why do russian always think about child molesting?
+--- 58075035
+>>58075015
+Must be hard that no one is pleasing your partner currently. My condolences.
+--- 58075076
+>>58072057 (OP)
+>[ethnic slur for russians]
+based
+--- 58075109
+>>58075068
+Westerners have no retort for this so they immidately start deflecting or saying "no u".
+Sad!
+--- 58075118
+>>58075058
+--- 58075168
+>>58075068
+Why do russians always think about pedophiles?
+--- 58075175
+>>58074927
+>reddit frog thinks his opinion matters
+--- 58075194
+>>58074927
+whats insufferable about him?
+--- 58075206
+"I had one shell left and the gun was kinda jammed, Tank wasnt really combat capable."
+Nigga decides to squish people, what a gem.
+Top tier video, really interesting to see how high their morale is.
+--- 58075215
+>>58075194
+puzzies find Ukrainians insufferable.
+--- 58075231
+>>58074670
+Vatnigs believe that more weapons = bad.
+--- 58075254
+>>58075076
+But muscovites are not ethnicity. Neither are russian.
+--- 58075265
+>>58075231
+Vatniks believe in weapon cap. If Zelensky asks for 100 tanks it means he lost 100 tanks
+--- 58075294
+>>58074808
+>N-n-no
+Pathetic.
+--- 58075319
+>>58075018
+no idea mate
+--- 58075330
+>>58075168
+--- 58075537
+>>58075254
+Best to kill them all and let Satan sort them out.
+--- 58075618
+>>58074245
+Damn, that's a line right there
+--- 58075626
+>>58075583
+The west didn't corrupt anything. The hatred for Russians in eastern Europe was born from Russian occupation.
+--- 58075632
+>>58075583
+>kill their own brothers
+who?
+--- 58075713
+>>58074948
+Wasn't there an instance of a senior officer (I want to say a Company CO) got relieved and maybe even busted down as a result of him going to the press with some dirty laundry in the early months? I don't remember it being anything wildly fucked but I recall it being pretty dumb circumstances.
+--- 58075790
+>>58074245
+A bit silly, but that's the right attitude.
+--- 58075855
+>>58075076
+m*scovites should really be slur
+--- 58075876
+>>58072057 (OP)
+where do i get a daughter like this?
+--- 58075942
+>>58074255
+>>58075583
+maybe this will give you a clue
+--- 58075956
+>>58074921
+post war movies about this war are going to be kino as fuck
+--- 58075986
+>>58074245
+>>58074255
+>>58074427
+>>58074489
+>>58074642
+>>58074858
+>>58075076
+Its like quotes from memri tv but actually based
+--- 58079528
+>>58075876
+you need to fuck a woman first
+--- 58079768
+>>58074489
+This one send me chills.
+--- 58079900
+>>58075330
+>>58075319
+You now know EXACTLY what's happening to everyone one of those ukrainian kids kidnapped and taken back to russia.
+--- 58081106
+>>58074858
+Oh man, he's that guy. Not the smartest, but will lead, and also take whatever hits necessary for his men. Talks beyond his point, but in that blue collar way knows how to pull it back so he is at least forgiven. No they're good leaders for sure, dudes like this, and charismatic.
+--- 58081112
+>>58074245
+Tanker Poet