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So degree, those thoughts like, Am I going to get fired and all that? Not very useful in that moment?
4crq
Yes. not useful in that moment
6cd
understandable. Right, but not useful.
3gc
yeah
7ack
So, so there the self talk there is there's no clear indication that's gonna happen,
3gc
right
7ack
Did you explore those options for this last time?
5yq
I did. I did, but just the circumstances didn't work out.
8op
So none of those individuals were available?
4crq
right.
6cd
Is there any other options you have for care? Was that it?
1irq
That's really it. You know, when she's sick, and that's really it, because you don't i don't want to put her around any other kids, which is why I wouldn't send her to daycare. So
0id
Right.
7ack
Okay. And I don't know what you can do in terms of support, maybe try to get a better awareness of the schedules when they're available and or convey the nature of your problem to them. Customer Support
3gc
Yeah.
7ack
Yes,
8op
Are you sure?
4crq
Yeah,
6cd
okay hundred percent ?
1irq
Except for my my thinking I was maybe a little not as present as I should have been.
0id
Okay. And we'll get to that but your behavior behavior. Yeah, you did everything a good mom would do.
3gc
Yeah.
7ack
I guess it's not ideal, but it's okay.
0id
you know, or at least be able to put my worry about the other circumstances aside for the time for that time period.
0id
Right
7ack
so that pushes you on a one to 10 scale?
4crq
Yeah
6cd
the more thoughts you have like that you think of it as like pushing you down toward five.
3gc
Yeah.
7ack
Who doesn't know you're distracted or worried?
1irq
I guess just me.
0id
Just you?
4crq
Yeah.
6cd
So the self talk that would be I'm doing what I have to do to be a good mom. And that's what my child says. Right
3gc
right.
7ack
But I have these understandable thoughts that come in where I worry about other things and more or less justice what it is, right? I mean, you're permitted to worry about things life isn't going to be worryfree
3gc
true.
7ack
But we can, we can work to not suffer more than we have to
3gc
right
7ack
That kind of makes sense?
5yq
Yeah. It makes sense. And, you know, when you say it back to me the things that I'm saying it does sound a little bit irrational, or unhelpful less than useful.
8op
Yeah, it's a little less than useful it's not, you know, I want this important distinction. It's not good or bad right. And those words have a function right in our in our lives, but they're a little dangerous when applied in terms of mental health when they're applied to things like you know, good mom, bad mom.
3gc
Right
7ack
But doesn't leave a lot of gray area to talk about. improvement. Right? Also, it seems like what you're describing your, your way into the good mom category anyway. Sure. 8 or 10 I think most people would be happy with an eight out of 10.
3gc
TRUE
7ack
Yes. Yes.
8op
Do you think you'd be able to have that completed? next week?
11orq
yeah, I think I can handle that. Yeah.
10od
Okay. So we'll leave it there and I'll see you next week.
3gc
Okay, thank you.
3gc
Hey Jill, how are you doing today?
2gt
I am All right, I'm a little bit stressed out right now.
2gt
Little stressed, What's going on?
1irq
Well, as you know, I'm in a graduate program right now. And I'm just really coming to the near the end of my program and I'm just finding it increasingly difficult. I'm just really stressed with how things have been going.
0id
Well, I don't I don't, I don't really know. It's just I am, as I've told you, before, I take school really seriously and I really strive to do well, well in school and well on my assignments and I just feel like I'm not performing, as well as I needed to
0id
what kind of grades you've been getting lately?
1irq
Well, I've been getting A's,
0id
anything else?
5yq
No
9on
Okay. That's usually considered pretty good, right?
3gc
okay, you're working hard to get the same grade?
5yq
right, It used to be so easy for me to do what my teachers expect and to get good grades. Now I feel like it's, it's really a struggle and I'm not doing as well as I need to and I'm constantly worried about not doing this well.
8op
Have you been getting any feedback from professors or your classmates about your performance?
1irq
My teachers all seem to think I'm doing well. They actually I see To get good feedback on my assignments, but I feel like I feel like I just to make sure I'm doing well. I really focus on like the details like making sure that the instructions are really clear, like I'm doing everything, like perfectly as an Instructure instructor wants because I'm really afraid that you know, if I'm not really clear on what the assignment is, then maybe I won't do it the right way.
0id
Alright, so before when you got A's you were working hard to have a job but not to the level of precision in terms of like the detail in the assignment that you are now. You're trying to get more information about the assignments, you're working harder to get the same grade that used to get before
3gc
So when you're when you're having this feeling that I guess it's a feeling of anxiety or stress, yeah. What's going through your mind? What are you thinking about?
1irq
Well, I guess I'm just feeling that, you know, I've worked really hard, this whole program and I don't want to mess it up now or, you know, because if I don't get these grades, and I feel like what was the use, if I met, then I'm going to be ruining all this hard work, that I've done this whole program if I kind of, if I don't maintain that level of, you know, like you said, precision, I feel like like that I've let myself down or that I'm a failure because I'm, I just slacked off at the end of the program and it's so close to being done.
0id
So what grade would you have to receive for you to feel like you have failed
1irq
probably less than an A. Anything other than A
0id
right below an A isn't A minus?
1irq
I mean, I guess I would be okay with that, but I wouldn't be really happy with it.
0id
What about A plus?
1irq
I wouldn't be that excited about that.
0id
a B?
1irq
I wouldn't be happy with that.
0id
No, no, it'd be worse. Okay. So an A you can tolerate an A minus you're not exactly sure but you think you could
3gc
yeah.
7ack
But a B plus and a B?
1irq
to me like, like an A minus I would maybe be okay with but like, below that like to me like a B, whether it's like a B minus A B, A, B plus it's all B, and that's not an
0id
so what would it mean to you if you received a B?
1irq
that I didn't try hard enough, but there's something else I could have done to to do better that I was like, slacking or I didn't read the directions right or I didn't have enough responses or make my paper long enough. I just didn't do enough.
0id
But you didn't try hard enough that you didn't do enough. What would it mean If that were true?
1irq
If I didn't try hard enough that I was lazy.
0id
That you were lazy?
1irq
Yeah, that I could have tried harder and I didn't. So why didn't I try? I didn't, maybe I didn't care. I was lazy. Kind of like what's the use? If you're not gonna try your best and why try it all?
0id
Okay, now we we've talked before about automatic thoughts and cognitive distortions right in other sessions and one of the cognitive distortions is this idea that unuseful type of thinking and Aaron thinking is when you think of everything in terms of like, Black or White, all or nothing? So sounds like you have a little tolerance for like an A minus you're not completely there. But generally, it's kind of an A of some type, right? Or you're not interested. Right. So we get down to you didn't try hard enough and if that were true, the new would be lazy. Right? Which, you know, having senior these last few sessions is clear to me. You're not lazy. But that's the body.
3gc
Yes.
7ack
Now, it seems that earlier in your earlier years in the program, this was the Acer effortless for you, but you'd have to work as hard for them.
3gc
Yeah
7ack
what's what do you think has changed?
11orq
I'm not quite sure. Like it didn't stress me out as much in the beginning of the program. Like I really like school. But now I feel like I'm static because it's anxiety producing for me because, you know, I'm constantly worried
10od
You mentioned part of it was you can get close to the end, right. So is there anything else?
1irq
Well, the only thing I can think of is we have the same students throughout our program. But I guess this semester there's a new student in the program and I know that you mentioned and it seems like she's kind of really stressing me out. And also well see throughout the program, I kind of considered myself like to be the student who got the best grades and there's this award at the end of the program for doing really well. And I kind of made it a goal of mine to get this award at the end because I felt like that would show that I really tried hard this program really meant a lot to me. I think You know, it would show people who viewed Did that, you know, I really busted my butt and, and did a good job in this program. And for the whole program so far, you know, that was me like that was I was kind of the front runner, I guess for this award. And this semester, there's a new student and then come to find out like she had a 4.0 in her other program. So,
0id
so if I'm reading you, right, you you really didn't have any competition for this award that you were aware of. Right? And now you feel like you really do,
4crq
right like I feel like the pressures on like, I felt like I tried so hard, this whole program and now like this new person comes in, and she might want a different me so I really need to go above and beyond to make sure that I'm still on track.
6cd
I'm paradoxically that's caused you to be more anxious and more stressed and your performing but you're still getting the A's which are working harder to get the A's,
3gc
I guess part of me feels like them. Why did I do the program? if, you know, part of me feels like if you're not going to be the best why try? So if, if she got the award over me, then it's kind of like, why did I work so hard this whole time, like I could have been slacking this whole time and just skated by so why did I bust my butt? If it was all for nothing? I don't have anything to show for it.
0id
So its all or nothing if you don't win the award.
3gc
I mean, I guess it's not the only thing that matters so part of me feels that way sometimes that I have these thoughts that if I don't try my hardest and do well and win this award, then why do I try so hard the rest of the time, but like it negates all the positive things. This that this, you know, kind of like the end result like if you tried hard the whole race and then you lose, you know, at the end.
3gc
Right, but you're not really losing a race because you would still graduate?
3gc