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Welcome, Kayla.
2gt
Thank you.
2gt
Thanks for coming today.
2gt
Can you briefly tell us what services as a Adelaide counseling practice had to provide?
5yq
So what role do counselors play in the provision of those services?
1irq
Okay, they app counselors provide services to clients all over LA. And they provide the city offices with offices in the western suburbs. But we also allow our counselors to go to the residents of our clients and my boss is no boss. Yeah. And that that's working out to be beneficial because a lot of clients don't feel comfortable coming to places where they can be still saying.
0id
So what do you see as being the skills and knowledge that arpc graduates have demonstrated in the delivery of places?
1irq
Yeah, I feel that there's an amazing amount of information that comes from the AAPC diploma. We constantly use many of the articles and the actual forms that were used in the studies throughout the diploma, for instance, the personality profile that really helps our clients To understand what the personalities are and how that can be within a relationship, we also use the five types of conflict, don't see in the readings that allows us to explain to clients that there's different types of conflicts and how they can upset a relationship. So we use a fair amount of the information that came out is that one that really helps benefit our clients.
0id
Okay. So how does the skills that our students have benefit at Adelaidey counseling practice?
1irq
It's a benefit because they're there. They're all unique in their sorry, they're all uniform. When it comes to what Adelaide counseling practice needs, we like to know that we have uniformity in our counselors. And we know that the AAPC can offer that because we've all learned the same base units and then when it comes to the actual majors, that Some of the staff that we have taken on, they can also add to the fall of the year for the service of
0id
the Advanced Study majors in conjunction with a diploma is an additional benefit.
0id
Absolutely.
7ack
Excellent. And kinda would you consider continuing to source positions for your projects practice with graduates on iopc?
5yq
I truly believe that this course amongst others that I've resource before I didn't give the actual diploma has to be the most in depth to have actually seen, even to the point where I'm now doing a psychology degree and I don't believe that with the psychology degree would have the confidence to counsel clients because it doesn't actually show you how to practice, whereas the diploma shows you exactly how to practice.
0id
So the confidence to actually work with clients face to face comes from during the deployment.
0id
Absolutely. Thank you.
7ack
Well, thank you very much for your time today.
2gt
Thank you, Carol.
2gt
That's good. Thank you.
2gt
No, I'm still feeling the same. just just just a little frustrated at the moment. That's all.
0id
What is it the frustation like for you?
1irq
It's just tight feeling that I have I just experienced, it's difficult to put into words but just it just doesn't feel good.
0id
So let's shift it to body where in your body you feel this type feeling?
1irq
I think it's, it's in my chest.
0id
So that's a hot area, feeling around the heart. And what is there in that heart and you pay attention to that, that area in your heart? What What do you find? What sort of thing?
1irq
Yes, it's just really just a compressing feeling.
0id
I noticed that you have been saying it when you talked about your feelings. And I would like to suggest if you can say instead of being it, and see what happens in your body so go ahead
0id
You actually want me to say, okay, yes. My chest feels very tight. I feel very frustrated, angry, angry.
0id
So that's what's coming up frustration, anger. So what are you doing this moment with your anger as you said to me right here to chest this moment?
1irq
just accepting it
0id
once you accept that anger inside you, what else do you do with that anger having accepted?
1irq
it's it's just noticing you're saying it again.
0id
Use the word Hi. It's a thing that to acknowledge this is, you know, something out there, we do a lot Something very strong. So it's a safe way to put it. But if you say I feel angry,
0id
I feel angry.
0id
But who do you feel angry at?
1irq
My ex husband
0id
You ex husband?
4crq
Hmm, yup
6cd
Sandra, having just explore some of your feelings around the situation you have, I'm going to suggest that you speak to Jeff on an empty chair. This may be a little uncomfortable. But it helped me to facilitate a process where I become an observer, and you'll be in dialoguing with a party that you are actually having to deal with. And I'll be facilitating for you the process and then pointing out some of the things that we could do to change process okay. It's been Jeff and your imagination that the massive Jeff we're here. I'll bring a chair. Okay. Welcome, Jeff. I mean I welcome Jeff. And, and there's Jeff. Imagine his face looks like how you remember him and bring him in and your fantasy. And then when you're ready to just say whatever comes to you at that moment, this moment spontaneous.
0id
Jeff, I feel very frustrated about the situation that you have left me and the children in. I think you understand how hard it is at times and the things that I have to explain to them about about this situation. It bothers me that you don't go out of your way to spend extra time with the children and I really believe that in the future, they, they will come to, to really resent that and, and not look at you as as their father, I, I honestly can't understand why you don't want to spend more time with them. And irrespective of what's happened between between us and and you moving on and, and so forth. I just don't think that that your children and my children should really suffer in that way. we'd like them to have as as normal a life as possible and, and be able to, to be with both of their parents and why you know what is so important rather than them wanting to be with them. It's it's just very hard.
0id
Okay. Okay, so there's a kind of question you understand why this happened, etc. Right? So what next thing we'll do, you'll sit over there, and you will be Jeff and see what Jeff can answer to you as to where he is at. That maybe a little bit difficult But let's do a dialogue as if he were he's not here anyway.
0id
Yeah.
7ack
I really don't have any appreciation for that because the reason the reason that you've given that you're busy, like I'm busy in my life and I still give our children priority, they still take precedence in my life. And I just don't think that that, that that's right
0id
Actually what kind of father you should be for the children?
1irq
You should be proactive in wanting to save them. And I wouldn't mind if you wanted to see them more than then what we have agreed is there are times when when you Want to do something spontaneous and and see then then then feel free to contact us and, and see if it's okay.
0id
Sounds like a very good idea. Good offer you Jeff, are you prepared to take that off for the kids sake? Its great go your way what's what's going on here? The contracts happening okay. Seems Parties seem to be agreeing began to agree to something important. That's the children. So children will not suffer, they will actually benefit from that agreement, if you two can really, really come to a mutual agreement to what, how we're going to take care of the children. Because the thing no matter how, in my view, no matter how people live together as a couple separate together, the contract life countries, I'm still my father to my children as a mother as much as we could only get that anger out frustration out, we can come to an agreement as to how we're going to work together and even if you don't, they don't live together. We would live for the with the kids they'd be happy. Does that make sense to you?
0id
Yes. This is in a counseling session. And He hasn't really participated in informing his contract.
0id
But you hear that this happened for you. And you've done it. So is there something that the now you have that you can begin to negotiate with him, no matter how he is? Because there's now a new realization that the children need that. Father and Mother. How's that for you?
1irq
Yeah, maybe I just need to let him know that And just extend the invitation of having more time out there. Yeah. Yeah,
0id
you're good at that. You're very good. Who's watching you working here? You're very good at creating contracts and very clear about what you want. And it's a question of how you can the two parties can get to that agreement together. What do you think?
1irq
Yeah
7ack
Great, because that's, this is a rehearsal for what's going to happen.
7ack
Well, that's the housekeeping finish with Kathleen. So perhaps you'd like to tell me a bit about what brings you here today?
1irq
Well, actually, Wendy, I'm having a lot of trouble coping with with my job. The hours are working are supposed to be 830 to 330. And lately, I've just got so much work given to me. I'm having difficulty getting through the whole day with it. And I've got a couple of teenage boys that I pick up after school every day because he's so naughty. They're not allowed to go on the bus. And so I've made my hours 830 to 330. So I give them a chance to Get out of school and then at 330 on on supposed to be there to pick them up. But lately, it's been later and later on getting there sometimes 430 the other day was five and the boys were just the naughty boys you notice and and they're everywhere. They're all over the school they're getting into trouble and and then I'm late home preparing dinner for my husband and then he gets annoyed and on it goes, it's getting too much.
0id
So you're supposed to finish at 330 Why do you think you're not finishing it through 330?
1irq
too much work? And here's what's happening. We'll we'll do one dog work in a doctor's surgery. I don't know if I mentioned that. One doctor employed me but there are four within the practice. And I'm doing work for all of them when really I should only be doing work for one
0id
right, So that's really the problem that we'll get You work and there's no way you can fit into the the times that you were employed to work.
0id
I can see that I can see you're getting quite stressed about it. So have you had any thoughts about anything you might be able to do about this? Kathleen? Is there anything you think you could do?
5yq
Well, apart from just I don't I don't believe it's such a good job, but I'll probably have to, I'll have to, I'll have to tell some. I'll have to tell her. I think I'm gonna have to tell her
0id
so you really do feel that you need to talk to the boss that includes you and explain what the problem is. Is this something you feel comfortable about doing?
5yq
Okay, because she was lovely there. She says, Do you think that if you were able to go and talk to her, that she'd actually be quite receptive to listening to you?
5yq
Well, of course she, wouldn't she
0id
okay. What I'm going to suggest Kathleen is that we do something called a role play. And what that is, is that we act out the situation, whatever it is. And in your case, it's going to be you going and talking to your boss and trying to explain to her that you've got a problem trying to fit your work into the house, which is supposed to be working. So you'll be playing, you end up playing your boss. Now, obviously, you're not going to get exactly the same responses from your boss that you'll get from me today. But it does give you a chance to think about the way you might approach it, to practice it, and to get a response that you can then react to and practice your way through a possible scenario. And what this could do happily Give you a bit more confidence about the swing.
0id
What do you put in a?
1irq
Well, we practice it right now. Oh, I can, what we'll do is, you'll be you. And I'll be the doctor that you're going to see. Let's just think about a couple of things to get it started.
0id
So I pretend that I'm going to be coming into her tutorial. Okay,
0id
well, what do you think would be the best time of day to do it? Oh, topic day
1irq
time of day. I'm so busy so busy during the day, I'm probably early morning might be the best first first thing in the morning.
0id
Sounds like a good idea because then you don't have to worry.
0id
That's true.
7ack
Okay, so have you had any got any thoughts about what you might say? How are you going to introduce?
1irq
I suppose I could say to her, is this a good time to talk?
0id
That's fantastic.
7ack
Okay
8op
because that gives her the chance the opportunity to say well, No, it isn't. Could you come in five minutes. I'm sorry. Oh, Go straight into it. That's really good. Okay. Should we give it a try?
5yq
Okay. All right.
8op
So I'm gonna get you to stand up and pretend that you knocking on the doors that what you do. Yes, yes. All right. So I want you to get out and just do that and then come back in as if you're having to see your boss and the boss to tell me what to
0id
do the role plays out.
0id
yeah
7ack
Okay. Now good time to talk.
0id
Yeah, sure. Good, thank you.
7ack
Well, the problem is Marianne on on having I'm having problems coping with my workload at the moment, mainly because it's putting me here, too late in the afternoon. Remember when you first put me on miles were 830 to 330 as well. No, I'm finishing later and later 430, sometimes 5 I've got too much work and a lot to finish on time because I have to pick them up from school and you know what they like. So I'm just wondering if if we can work well
0id
obviously you're employed 830 to 330 Kathlleine hours we want you to work so we don't want you working back so first of all, this is important that you know that we want you to leave at 330 and that's what I want you to do. But from what you're saying the work you're being given doesn't fit into those hours
0id
I don't know
9on
what's happening here I'm getting too much work from the other doctors
0id
All right i don't know i don't think you're not but I didn't think that I'd be getting work of four because this doctors here and is only doing your work.
0id
I think I've got the picture.
10od
I don't I don't like saying no to them though.
10od
I'm glad you came to me. I really need this job. Look. I'm really glad you came to see But obviously 830 to 330 is not enough. It's a long day, early as you're supposed to work. So I need to have a look into this and see what's going on.
0id
It's only half my day. The other half starts when I pick my boys up. And they say naughty they are they are really well, certainly
0id
Kathleen. Yes, I'll have a look at it. But I want you to make sure that you do leave at 330 every day.
0id
Well, I think because I've done that little rolle play feel a little bit better probably gone and seen the doctor will help
0id
Obviously the responses that I gave are not going to be the ones you'll get from doctor because she is sure this is what she said she. So there'll be something similar, but the important thing is, I think, to work out that first opening gambit, isn't it and it's true and to do that, and then flow on so That's something I want you to think about. Perhaps a few. You guys come and see me next week and about a week perhaps.
7ack
I have to sit home.
0id
Well, let's look at it. What I'd like you to do is think about what we've done today. Yes, but but don't don't. Don't overdo it don't sort of keep it down for your mind. Well, exactly. That's what I was going to say. I can see that you're getting a bit, too.
0id
I don't like confrontation. I don't like telling people what to do.
10od
I know. Yeah. So having the right words is a help. That will help you to get a bit of confidence there. But importantly, I think we need to relax a bit, don't we? And there are some very simple relaxation exercises that I can teach you that I'd like you to go away and practice. So that horrified by next week when you come, you'll practice those relaxation exercises, because they have things that you can use anyway in any situation. I'll tell you what I know you don't have to lie on the floor. Not for these because that's not very practical before you go see your boss. So, what I suggest is we look at you coming back in a week's time and your practice the relaxation exercises, we'll go through them again, and we perhaps do another role play and then maybe we might be ready to go and do it for real. What do you think?
0id
Okay, that's that sounds good. I feel a little bit more relaxed just thinking about that actually.
0id
How are you?
2gt
Thanks, how are you?
2gt