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Jessica, based on our conversation here, I'm going to set you up to see a counselor if that's something you're open to. And I want to thank you for taking the time to tell me what happened and answer my questions. It's been very helpful.
0id
Thank you.
2gt
Thanks.
2gt
Good Bye
2gt
Today
3gc
I've been working still on the fear of leaving the home for extended periods of time like vacation. And it's been a little harder recently because I have this plan trip with a friend of mine coming up in a few months and that's kind of been weighing on my mind.
3gc
Whereas the trip to?
1irq
Georgia
0id
how long way
1irq
she wants to go like six days Yeah, I'm not sure with work and school and everything I can make the full six days and plus I'm a little nervous to go that long.
0id
So that's a long time for you.
3gc
It is yes.
3gc
So when did you discover this trip was going to be
1irq
actually last Just a few days ago, she messaged me and said, Hey, you want to go with me and we'll go golfing and swimming. I love golfing. Like, I know I want to go. But I just had these just a little nervous about leaving
0id
a little nervous? So when she made that call,
1irq
I was just a couple days ago, was the first thought he had kind of I can't go that long. That was my first thought. That's, that's too long. But he was like, wow, this would be great. I want to go down there golfing so bad and get away from the cold weather. So I mean, my immediate thought was no, not that long. But yes, I'm gonna go.
0id
Alright, so so to kind of conflicting thoughts, right. So one, one is like, never go that long, six days, way too long. And the other one is that would be enjoyable. You enjoy that?
1irq
Absolutely.
7ack
Yeah. So which way you're leaning right now.
1irq
I want to go to go for six days. Maybe just like a long weekend
0id
3, 4 days?
1irq
two would be ideal but the idea of it two three days Yeah.
0id
So what we think is causing this worry about being gone more than two days?
1irq
I don't know. I mean, I've always as a late teenager in my 20s I've always had just nervous to leave home I don't as much as I love being home I love to travel to and you know, do different things. It's just, I guess I'm just afraid something to happen when I'm not around.
0id
Not to you're afraid something will happen to your, your house or,
4crq
And how about when you were younger? You said this Problems found for was the same thing, the same thing. So mostly family and now some pets,
1irq
my pets then to see if that's
0id
yes, your feelings are there fighting one another. Absolutely. And right now the feeling the thought anyway, have you know I would like to go on the trip. is winning But the fear thought was kind of dragging, dragging you down. Yeah. So what's the sensation of anxiety here?
1irq
Yeah, I get anxious. Yeah, my heart gets feels like it's heavy my chest feels heavy and I just all these thoughts go through my mind like, you know, I know my parents um I can watch my pets but they may not take care of them like I would I don't know it's just I mean that you know they've always will take care of all my no but they'll miss me and they might tear my house up I don't all these thoughts in my mind that seem crazy to me.
0id
No, no
9on
Okay. So so far all worrying. And anxiety really hasn't paid me dividends.
1irq
Yes. And now that I'm older when I was younger, I probably wouldn't like it overnight. But now that I'm older yes, I do I just say, I got to live my life and they'll be okay. I just try to tell myself they're in good hands. If something happens somebody Oh, call me but then I feel like oh, but I want to be hours away. I'm a plane ride away. And then I get thinking about that, but I do go.
0id
But you didn't in the past
4crq
no
9on
So something changed. What changed?
1irq
right? So not sure what change but used to not go, now you do go. So when you're down there, or wherever you go in the trip, you're feeling better, like you're enjoying yourself. But you're also worried at the same time.
1irq
Not too well. Once I get there, I'm usually okay. Maybe the first night I get a little worried. And then maybe when I'm getting ready to come home, I'm like a little anxious, I'm ready to get home to make sure everything's okay.
0id
And the rest of the time.
1irq
I'm usually Okay. I'll get some alcohol involved. So he kind of limits my anxiety. But once I get into like playing the golf and all that, I really do allow myself to enjoy it. It's just it seems like it's going and coming. That's
0id
alright, so the problem really isn't when you're there. The problem is now leading up to it and maybe just the first half day, your day when you're there, and maybe the last half day or two there.
3gc
It's like a plane. Like I don't have a problem, right, like flying out. But it's the thinking like, while I'm waiting for the plane like, Whoa, what if we What if a terrorist is on there? What if we crash? I'll think about all that before, but once I'm there and on the plane is right, take off. I'm fine. I'm completely fine. not anxious. It's leading up to the actual event that makes me anxious.
0id
I suppose anticipation. So that's that's the worst part. All right, so the period between now when you leave, it's gonna be the worst part.
10od
Yes,
7ack
but she'll probably stock up.
3gc
Probably. But I'll have changed my mind probably a dozen times before actually say yes.
3gc
And when you do go on Twitter.
1irq
Yeah.
7ack
something could happen. Certainly sure. But it Hasn't so far
1irq
alright, so you'll, you'll return?
5yq
Yeah. Still doesn't stop me from worrying when I get these trips planned.
0id
Yeah, so the probabilities of it really doesn't. That doesn't alleviate the Worry, worry still there. Right. Even though you know the worry is probably going to transition to enjoyment and looking forward to that that doesn't
1irq
No not at all
9on
that doesn't leave anything at all.
1irq
like I gotta get my house cleaned up and make sure my animals or everyday have enough food and I preparing to leave.
0id
Preparing is productive, right? Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Well, how would the thoughts see you feel more connected to the warring?
1irq
Probably like, like, I want to, I want to say, I don't know I really it's kind of a word. Like I want to, like I can't say bye Not to my parents or I can't, you know, say bye enough to my pets like I feel like I like I don't I don't know, I don't really care. That's, I guess part of the problem. I don't know what I'm connecting it to.
0id
So if you don't tell them goodbye enough time.
3gc
Yeah, I don't know, maybe I sound so.
7ack
Oh, it sounds like maybe if you don't say if you don't say goodbye enough times and settled that, that you'll feel guilty if something happens maybe that you regret it
10od
maybe.
7ack
so that so that's the focal point of this thing's night in some way. Right?
5yq
Let me go for a few days.
3gc
And the way you start to let go is when you tell them
4crq
Yeah.
7ack
So So what do you find yourself doing? You say goodbye and then then leave and then come back? Or
1irq
do I just finally say, bye? I'll talk to you later love you. You know, I'll check in when I land or whatever and then that's it. Then it's like, I just have to try to breathe and just put those thoughts behind me. Because once I say it, it's like, Okay, that's it. I'm gone.
0id
But you're but your thoughts are still coming thoughts are still come in and say, You should have said, goodbye one more time.
3gc
No. I just know that doesn't come to my mind
3gc
that you didn't say goodbye well enough.
3gc
I don't know.
3gc
The property was the property of saying goodbye. This you feel like you're not doing well enough.
3gc
Maybe it's just the fact that I'm leaving. I shouldn't leave. say that, you know, maybe I feel like I maybe it's just the guilt of leaving.
3gc
So the act of leaving itself Leave shoot guilty. And what are you guilty of?
1irq
Not being there if something happens.
0id
So abandon
3gc
maybe
3gc
for a short time neglecting them for a short time.
3gc
Probably maybe I did feel a little guilty.
3gc
And now you're in more of a caregiver role than you were then.
10od
Maybe a little bit I mean, I've always been. I'm the youngest of mine, me and my sister, but my parents have always looked up to me to be the responsible one and make sure everything's taken care of so I probably kind of loud myself. To take on that role of the caregiver moreso or be at the more responsible one of the two.
0id
So to be the responsible one, there needs to be guilt when you leave, I guess
4crq
So there's not another person driving the skill towards you. That's me. Just coming in from the side.
5yq
Yeah.
7ack
So if I, if I leave, well, I'm responsible. And if I leave, something bad will happen. And that'll be on me.
4crq
Now when they're to fix it, or take care of it or make it better, like I put it on somebody else that have to do with that. Yeah.
6cd
So fear of being caught as irresponsible.
4crq
Maybe Yeah.
6cd
And you could be a few left to just take you a day's travel or whatever, however far away.
4crq
Yeah.
6cd
Right. So yeah, but that's that's still doesn't help relieve anxiety now when you come back, because
1irq
no, not really. Because it's like, I want immediate access. Like, I want to be able to be right there within minutes if they need me.
0id
Have you ever taken a trip that was like within
1irq
I mean, not it's not as bad but yeah, there's back there. Stay with us. For an overnight there's some of the way up sometimes I'm thinking I should just stay home. Or I could be right in the same town sometimes that if I'm, I wake up at five in the morning, I just get up and go home because I just get really start feeling really anxious and I want to be home.
0id
So at 20 that's a long shift. So a 20 hour shift. At what point do you become anxious when did when you start to notice those thoughts?
1irq
Probably usually like six, seven hours into it just depends like now it's getting dark so when it kind of gets dark and If I don't leave the light on or something, I get a little anxious. I feel like I need to go home and leave the light on and, you know, just let my pets know I'm coming back kind of weird, but I know they miss me. And then but if I'm busy, then I don't really think about it. So if you know if I'm busy at work, doing something I don't really think about until I stop what I'm doing right, slow down and I'm thinking, wow, I got 10 more hours or eight more hours. Sometimes I go home, sometimes they don't. Sometimes it's worse than others.
0id
Right So if you're busy at work, the same reality exists, meaning your pets are alone. But the way you're responding to it is different. Yeah, you're less anxious.
3gc
Maybe because I know I'm close. I can get there. I know I'm in control. We'll be able to go there.
3gc
Well, I'm buddy let's say not at work, let's say when you're on the vacations in those days in the middle when you're enjoying yourself. Is that a distraction like the more you enjoy yourself the last year
3gc
yeah.
7ack
But the same reality exists there alone. So really, it's your way ofwhich way of viewing things that's leading to anxiety. It's not necessarily what's actually happening.
3gc