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Meanwhile, other federal child care centers are getting creative trying to accommodate families. Take the one inside the National Archives and Records Administration in College Park, Md. When the director there, Shanelle Patterson, was forced to shut her doors, she joined forces with the director of another center about seven miles away in Silver Spring, Md.
meanwhile other federal child care centers, are getting creative trying to accommodate families, take the one inside the national archives and records administration in college park md when the director there shanelle patterson was forced to shut her doors she. joined forces with the, director of another center, about seven miles, away, in silver spring
Meanwhile other federal child care centers are getting creative trying to accommodate, families Take the one inside the National Archives and Records Administration in College Park Md When the director there Shanelle Patterson was forced to shut her doors she joined forces with the director of, another, center about seven, miles away in Silver Spring
meanwhile, other federal child care centers are getting creative trying to accommodate families. take the one inside the national archives and records administration in college park, md. when the director there, shanelle patterson, was forced to shut her doors, she joined forces with the director of another center about seven miles away in silver spring, md.
(Singing) The windows on the bus go open and shut.
(singing) the windows on. the. bus go open and,
(Singing) The windows on the bus go open and
(singing) the windows on the bus go open and shut.
Now Patterson's showing me around her new space.
now patterson's showing me. around her new
Now Patterson's showing me around her new.
now patterson's showing me around her new space.
This is the 2-year-old classroom. So we have - two of the Silver Spring teachers are in here right now. And this lady over here is actually from our College Park center.
this is the. 2-year-old classroom so we have - two of the silver spring teachers are in here right now and this lady over here is actually from, our college park
This is the 2-year-old classroom So we have - two of the Silver Spring teachers are in here right now And this lady over here is actually from our College Park
this is the 2-year-old classroom. so we have - two of the silver spring teachers are in here right now. and this lady over here is actually from our college park center.
The two directors wanted to stay in compliance with state regulations and make adjustments so their centers could consolidate. Now there are more than a hundred families in one facility. And the director here, Tara Phillips, says their children need to stay close to their regular routines.
the two directors wanted. to, stay in compliance with state regulations and make adjustments so their, centers could consolidate now there are more than a hundred families in, one facility and, the director here tara phillips says. their children need to stay close to their regular,
The two directors wanted to stay in compliance with state regulations. and make adjustments so, their centers could consolidate Now there are more than a hundred, families in one facility And the director here Tara Phillips says their children need to stay close to their regular
the two directors wanted to stay in compliance with state regulations and make adjustments so their centers could consolidate. now there are more than a hundred families in one facility. and the director here, tara phillips, says their children need to stay close to their regular routines.
We have - about 25 percent of our students are special needs. So you have to be very careful with the environment, the furniture, the lighting, the people, the noise level.
we have - about 25 percent of our students are special needs. so you have to be very careful with. the environment the furniture the lighting. the. people the noise
We have - about 25 percent of our students are special needs So, you; have to be very. careful with. the environment the furniture the lighting the people the noise
we have - about 25 percent of our students are special needs. so you have to be very careful with the environment, the furniture, the lighting, the people, the noise level.
Phillips says they also had to borrow and buy extra cots for naps. The cots at the National Archives Administration Center were property of the federal government. There was more food to cook in the kitchen, and there were more dietary restrictions to keep track of. They had to start using a public park down the street. The center's playground was too small for all the extra kids. For the most part, Phillips says, they're collaborating and cooperating, which is kind of what preschool is all about. For NPR News, I'm Mary Rose Madden.
phillips says they, also had to borrow and buy extra cots for; naps the cots at the; national archives administration center were property of the federal government there was more food. to cook in the kitchen and there were more dietary, restrictions to keep track of they had to start using a public park down the street the center's playground was too small for all the extra kids for the most part phillips says they're collaborating and. cooperating which is kind of what preschool is all about. for npr news i'm mary rose
Phillips says they also had to borrow and buy extra. cots for naps The cots at the National Archives Administration Center were property of the federal government There was more food to cook in the kitchen and there. were more dietary restrictions to keep track of They had to start using, a public park down the street The center's playground was too small for all the extra kids For the most part Phillips says they're collaborating. and, cooperating which is kind of what preschool is all about For NPR News I'm, Mary Rose
phillips says they also had to borrow and buy extra cots for naps. the cots at the national archives administration center were property of the federal government. there was more food to cook in the kitchen, and there were more dietary restrictions to keep track of. they had to start using a public park down the street. the center's playground was too small for all the extra kids. for the most part, phillips says, they're collaborating and cooperating, which is kind of what preschool is all about. for npr news, i'm mary rose madden.
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And now, The Opinion Page. Yesterday, Presidents Obama and Bush helped to dedicate the 9/11 memorial in New York. Scores of victims' family members poured on to the new plaza to search for the names of loved ones etched in bronze around the reflecting pools built into the footprints where towers once stood.
and now the opinion page yesterday presidents obama and bush helped to dedicate. the 9/11 memorial in new york scores of victims' family, members poured on to the new plaza to search for the names of loved ones etched in bronze around the reflecting pools built into the footprints where towers once
And now The Opinion Page; Yesterday Presidents Obama and Bush helped to dedicate the 9/11 memorial in New. York Scores of victims' family members poured on to the. new plaza, to search. for the names of loved ones etched, in bronze around the reflecting pools built. into the footprints where towers once
and now, the opinion page. yesterday, presidents obama and bush helped to dedicate the 9/11 memorial in new york. scores of victims' family members poured on to the new plaza to search for the names of loved ones etched in bronze around the reflecting pools built into the footprints where towers once stood.
Today, the memorial goes public. Historian Simon Schama reflected on the birth of the 9/11 memorial in an essay titled "The Remains of That Day" in the Financial Times. He joins us in a moment, but we want to hear from you as well. What's the purpose of memorials and which ones that you've visited work? Give us a call, 800-989-8255. Email us, [email protected]. You can also join the conversation on our website. That's at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION.
today the memorial goes public historian simon schama reflected on, the birth of the 9/11 memorial in an essay titled "the remains of. that day" in the financial times he joins us in; a moment but we want. to hear from you as well what's the purpose of, memorials and which ones that you've visited work? give us a call 800-989-8255. email us [email protected] you can. also join the conversation on our website, that's at npr.org click on. talk of. the
Today the memorial goes public Historian Simon Schama, reflected on the. birth of the. 9/11 memorial in an essay titled "The Remains of, That. Day" in the Financial Times He joins us, in a moment but we want to. hear from you as well What's the purpose of memorials and which ones that you've visited, work? Give us a call 800-989-8255. Email us [email protected], You can also join the conversation on our website, That's at. npr.org Click on TALK OF THE
today, the memorial goes public. historian simon schama reflected on the birth of the 9/11 memorial in an essay titled "the remains of that day" in the financial times. he joins us in a moment, but we want to hear from you as well. what's the purpose of memorials and which ones that you've visited work? give us a call, 800-989-8255. email us, [email protected]. you can also join the conversation on our website. that's at npr.org. click on talk of the nation.
Simon Schama is university professor at Columbia University. He joins us from our bureau in New York. Nice to have you back.
simon schama is university professor at columbia university he joins us from our bureau in new york nice to have you
Simon Schama is university. professor at Columbia University He joins us from our bureau in New York Nice to have you
simon schama is university professor at columbia university. he joins us from our bureau in new york. nice to have you back.
Hello, Neal. Nice to be here.
hello neal nice to be
Hello Neal Nice to. be
hello, neal. nice to be here.
And you begin your essay reflecting on the purpose of public memorials. Is it for the victims or does it have to have a larger purpose?
and you begin your essay reflecting on the purpose of public memorials is it, for the victims or, does it have to have, a larger
And you begin your essay reflecting on; the purpose; of public memorials Is it for the. victims or does it have to have a larger
and you begin your essay reflecting on the purpose of public memorials. is it for the victims or does it have to have a larger purpose?
Well, I think, first and foremost, it is to honor the dead and those immediately around them. And one can say, I think actually, that the 9/11 memorial - anybody watching yesterday or anybody who's been fortunate to visit it can say that it's done a remarkable job, actually, of kind of - creating a kind of poetic communion.
well i think first and foremost it is to honor the dead and those, immediately around them and one can say i. think actually that the 9/11 memorial - anybody watching, yesterday or anybody who's been fortunate. to visit it can say that it's done a remarkable job actually of kind of - creating a kind of poetic
Well I think first and foremost it is to honor the dead and those immediately around them And one can say I think actually that; the 9/11 memorial - anybody watching yesterday or anybody. who's been fortunate, to visit it can say that it's done a remarkable job actually of kind of - creating a kind of poetic
well, i think, first and foremost, it is to honor the dead and those immediately around them. and one can say, i think actually, that the 9/11 memorial - anybody watching yesterday or anybody who's been fortunate to visit it can say that it's done a remarkable job, actually, of kind of - creating a kind of poetic communion.
If you think about what Michael Arad, the young architect designer of the fountains - I call them the basins of grief, because water falls, echoing, but in a subtly indirect way, the fall of the towers and the fall of people. If you think about what they were trying to do, he said they were reflecting absence, and absence is a very difficult, by definition, hard thing to reflect on. But the immediately bereaved are owed something like this.
if you think about what michael arad the young architect designer of the fountains - i call them the. basins of grief because water falls, echoing but in a subtly indirect way the, fall of the towers and the fall of people if you think about what they were trying to do he. said they were reflecting absence and absence is a very difficult by definition hard thing to reflect on but the immediately bereaved are owed something like
If you think about what Michael Arad the young architect designer of the fountains, - I call them the basins of grief because water falls echoing but in a subtly indirect way the fall of the towers. and the fall of people If you think about what they were trying to do he said they were reflecting absence and absence is a very; difficult by definition hard, thing to reflect on But, the immediately, bereaved are owed something like
if you think about what michael arad, the young architect designer of the fountains - i call them the basins of grief, because water falls, echoing, but in a subtly indirect way, the fall of the towers and the fall of people. if you think about what they were trying to do, he said they were reflecting absence, and absence is a very difficult, by definition, hard thing to reflect on. but the immediately bereaved are owed something like this.
The question for a larger society is whether or not such memorials work. You know, go above their immediate purpose of a somber remembrance to make us reflect on the reasons for the sacrifice.
the. question for a larger society is whether or not such memorials work you. know go above their immediate purpose of, a, somber remembrance to make; us, reflect, on, the reasons for the
The question for a larger society is whether or not such. memorials work You know go above, their. immediate purpose of a somber remembrance to make us reflect on the reasons. for the
the question for a larger society is whether or not such memorials work. you know, go above their immediate purpose of a somber remembrance to make us reflect on the reasons for the sacrifice.
Pericles, in a verbal exercise, really, in Thucydides' masterpiece "The Peloponnesian War," of course, made his famous speech in which the bodies of the young fallen for Athenian democracy were paraded before their nearest and dearest with a meditation on the reason why they perished. And a free society, a democratic society needs occasionally to ask those questions. They must not, however, trample on the immediate rites of grief. And my own feeling is that 9/11 memorial space, when it's finished, complete with the museum of the remains, will have done a remarkable job in reconciling those two goals.
pericles in a verbal exercise really in thucydides' masterpiece "the peloponnesian war" of course, made his, famous speech in which the bodies of the young fallen. for athenian democracy were paraded before their nearest and dearest with a meditation, on the reason why. they perished and a free society. a democratic society needs occasionally to ask those questions they must not however trample on the immediate rites of grief and my own feeling is that 9/11 memorial space when it's; finished complete with the museum of the remains will have. done a remarkable. job, in reconciling those two
Pericles in, a verbal exercise really in Thucydides' masterpiece "The Peloponnesian War" of course made his famous speech in which the bodies of the. young fallen for Athenian democracy were paraded before their. nearest and dearest with a meditation on the reason why they perished And a free society a, democratic, society needs occasionally to. ask those questions They must not however trample on, the immediate. rites of grief And my own feeling. is that 9/11 memorial space when it's finished complete with the museum of the remains will, have done a remarkable job in reconciling those two
pericles, in a verbal exercise, really, in thucydides' masterpiece "the peloponnesian war," of course, made his famous speech in which the bodies of the young fallen for athenian democracy were paraded before their nearest and dearest with a meditation on the reason why they perished. and a free society, a democratic society needs occasionally to ask those questions. they must not, however, trample on the immediate rites of grief. and my own feeling is that 9/11 memorial space, when it's finished, complete with the museum of the remains, will have done a remarkable job in reconciling those two goals.
Isn't it a little difficult to even envision what it's all going to look like? As you said, the museum is not finished. Certainly, the buildings that will rise around the memorial, they're not finished either.
isn't it a little difficult, to even envision what it's all going to look like? as you said the museum is not finished certainly, the buildings that will rise around the memorial they're. not finished
Isn't it a little difficult to even envision what it's. all going to look, like? As. you said, the museum is not finished Certainly the buildings that will rise around the memorial they're not finished
isn't it a little difficult to even envision what it's all going to look like? as you said, the museum is not finished. certainly, the buildings that will rise around the memorial, they're not finished either.
Well, some lawmakers of the ruling socialists are reportedly wavering. Last night, Prime Minister George Papandreou made a final appeal to them. He also met with the leader of the conservative opposition. But Antonis Samaras said no way, we're not going to vote for these measures because they are undermining economic growth. The ruling socialists are way down in the polls. Government officials are increasingly isolated from society. Civil servants have taken over several government buildings. Even the finance minister, Evangelos Venizelos, has been unable to get into his office for the last two weeks. And leaflets pasted to the wall of the building say: The massacre of our wages will be the nightmare of bankers. And yet most analysts believe the measures will pass. The problem will be implementing them.
well, some, lawmakers of, the ruling socialists are reportedly wavering last night prime minister, george papandreou made a final appeal to them he also met. with the leader of the conservative opposition. but antonis, samaras said no way we're not going to vote for these, measures because they are undermining economic growth, the ruling. socialists are way down in the polls government officials are increasingly isolated, from society civil servants have taken over several government buildings, even. the finance minister evangelos venizelos has been unable to, get into his office for the last two weeks and leaflets, pasted to the wall of the building say: the massacre of. our wages will, be the nightmare of bankers and yet most analysts, believe the measures will pass the problem will be; implementing
Well some lawmakers of the ruling socialists are reportedly wavering Last night Prime Minister George Papandreou made a final appeal to them He also, met with the leader of the conservative opposition But Antonis Samaras said no way we're not. going to vote for these measures because they are undermining economic growth The ruling socialists are way down in the polls Government, officials are increasingly isolated from society Civil servants have taken over several government buildings Even the finance minister Evangelos Venizelos has been unable to get into his, office for the last; two weeks And, leaflets pasted to the wall of the building say: The. massacre of our wages, will be, the nightmare. of bankers And yet most analysts believe the measures will pass The problem will be implementing
well, some lawmakers of the ruling socialists are reportedly wavering. last night, prime minister george papandreou made a final appeal to them. he also met with the leader of the conservative opposition. but antonis samaras said no way, we're not going to vote for these measures because they are undermining economic growth. the ruling socialists are way down in the polls. government officials are increasingly isolated from society. civil servants have taken over several government buildings. even the finance minister, evangelos venizelos, has been unable to get into his office for the last two weeks. and leaflets pasted to the wall of the building say: the massacre of our wages will be the nightmare of bankers. and yet most analysts believe the measures will pass. the problem will be implementing them.
And all of this, of course, is about Greece not defaulting on its massive debt. European leaders will be meeting next weekend, again, to try and resolve the crisis. Can they really solve it?
and all, of this of course is about greece not defaulting on its massive, debt european leaders. will be meeting next weekend again to try and resolve the crisis can they really solve,
And all of this of course is, about Greece not defaulting on its, massive. debt European leaders will be, meeting next weekend again to try and resolve the crisis Can they really solve
and all of this, of course, is about greece not defaulting on its massive debt. european leaders will be meeting next weekend, again, to try and resolve the crisis. can they really solve it?
Well, that's the big question being asked in financial markets. This will be the EU leaders' sixth attempt this year to come up with what they keep calling a comprehensive solution. They're expected to announce whether Greece will get the next installment of the $150 billion bailout that was agreed to last year. They're supposed to talk about recapitalization of some major European banks and whether the new rescue fund that they have finally cobbled together will be increased to as much as $2 trillion. But all the leaders do up to now is send mixed signals. At one moment it appears France and Germany are on the verge of agreement, then German Chancellor Angela Merkel says do not expect a miracle cure. Then we hear French President Nicolas Sarkozy warning ominously: Those who destroy Europe and the euro will bear responsibility for a resurgence of conflict and divisions on our continent. That's pretty heavy stuff, and yet nothing concrete is coming out.
well that's the big question being asked in financial markets this will be the eu leaders' sixth attempt, this year to come, up with what they keep calling a comprehensive solution they're expected to announce whether, greece will get the next installment of the $150 billion bailout that was agreed to last year they're supposed to talk about recapitalization of some major european banks and whether the new rescue fund that they, have finally cobbled together will be increased to, as. much as $2 trillion but. all the leaders do up to now is send mixed signals at one moment it appears france and germany are on the verge. of agreement then german chancellor angela merkel says do not expect a miracle cure then we hear french president nicolas sarkozy warning. ominously: those who, destroy europe and the, euro will bear responsibility for a resurgence of conflict and divisions on our continent that's pretty heavy stuff and; yet nothing concrete is coming
Well that's the big question being asked in financial markets This will be the, EU leaders' sixth attempt this year to. come up with what they keep calling a comprehensive solution They're expected, to announce. whether Greece will. get the next installment of the $150 billion bailout that was agreed to last year They're supposed to talk about recapitalization of. some major European banks and whether the new rescue fund that they have finally cobbled together will be increased to as much as $2 trillion But all the leaders. do up to now is; send mixed signals At one moment it appears. France, and Germany are on the verge of agreement then German Chancellor Angela Merkel says do not expect a miracle cure Then we hear French President Nicolas Sarkozy warning ominously: Those who destroy Europe and the euro will bear responsibility for a. resurgence of conflict and divisions on, our continent, That's; pretty heavy stuff and yet nothing concrete is, coming
well, that's the big question being asked in financial markets. this will be the eu leaders' sixth attempt this year to come up with what they keep calling a comprehensive solution. they're expected to announce whether greece will get the next installment of the $150 billion bailout that was agreed to last year. they're supposed to talk about recapitalization of some major european banks and whether the new rescue fund that they have finally cobbled together will be increased to as much as $2 trillion. but all the leaders do up to now is send mixed signals. at one moment it appears france and germany are on the verge of agreement, then german chancellor angela merkel says do not expect a miracle cure. then we hear french president nicolas sarkozy warning ominously: those who destroy europe and the euro will bear responsibility for a resurgence of conflict and divisions on our continent. that's pretty heavy stuff, and yet nothing concrete is coming out.
And in the middle of all of that back and forth, the Greek crisis is becoming contagious.
and in the middle of all of that back and forth the greek crisis, is becoming
And, in the middle of all of that back and forth the Greek crisis is becoming
and in the middle of all of that back and forth, the greek crisis is becoming contagious.
That's the nightmare in European capitals. Yesterday, the rating agency Moody's warned of a possible downgrade of France's credit rating. And after that, Moody cut Spain's credit rating by two notches. The other big rating agency, Standard and Poor's, cut the ratings of 24 Italian banks and financial institutions, citing weaker growth prospects and tighter credit conditions. Moody's assessment was very gloomy. It said no credible solution of the sovereign debt crisis has emerged and it will take time to fully restore confidence in the eurozone's political cohesion and growth prospects. With rumors flying and credit ratings downgraded, the atmosphere is feverish, the debt crisis seems to be spreading, there's a sense of greater urgency, and yet European leaders continue to dither.
that's the nightmare in european capitals. yesterday the rating, agency moody's warned of a possible downgrade of; france's credit rating and after that moody cut spain's, credit rating by, two notches. the other big rating, agency standard and poor's cut the ratings of 24 italian banks and financial institutions citing weaker growth prospects and tighter credit conditions moody's assessment was very gloomy it said no credible solution of, the. sovereign debt crisis has emerged and it will take, time to fully restore confidence in the eurozone's political cohesion and growth prospects with, rumors flying and credit ratings downgraded the atmosphere is feverish the debt crisis. seems to be spreading, there's a sense of greater urgency and. yet european leaders continue, to
That's the nightmare in European capitals Yesterday the rating agency Moody's warned of a possible. downgrade of France's credit rating And after that Moody cut Spain's credit rating by two notches The other big rating agency Standard and Poor's cut the ratings of 24 Italian. banks and financial institutions citing weaker growth prospects and tighter credit conditions Moody's assessment was very. gloomy It said no credible solution of the, sovereign debt crisis has emerged and it. will take time to fully, restore confidence in the eurozone's political cohesion, and growth prospects With rumors flying and credit ratings downgraded the atmosphere, is feverish the debt crisis seems to be spreading there's a sense of greater urgency and yet European, leaders continue, to
that's the nightmare in european capitals. yesterday, the rating agency moody's warned of a possible downgrade of france's credit rating. and after that, moody cut spain's credit rating by two notches. the other big rating agency, standard and poor's, cut the ratings of 24 italian banks and financial institutions, citing weaker growth prospects and tighter credit conditions. moody's assessment was very gloomy. it said no credible solution of the sovereign debt crisis has emerged and it will take time to fully restore confidence in the eurozone's political cohesion and growth prospects. with rumors flying and credit ratings downgraded, the atmosphere is feverish, the debt crisis seems to be spreading, there's a sense of greater urgency, and yet european leaders continue to dither.
Sylvia, thanks very much.
sylvia thanks very
Sylvia thanks very
sylvia, thanks very much.
Thank you, Renee.
thank you
Thank you
thank you, renee.
NPR's Sylvia Poggioli speaking to us from Athens.
npr's sylvia poggioli speaking to us from
NPR's Sylvia Poggioli speaking to us from
npr's sylvia poggioli speaking to us from athens.
The success of the Obama administration's initiatives in the Middle East will depend, in large part, on Israel. That country is in the midst of political uncertainty after last month's parliamentary elections failed to produce a clear winner. Now, right-wing leader and former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to cobble together a coalition government. But he had a setback over the weekend when a key centrist party refused to join him. Aaron David Miller has advised six American secretaries of state. He's now a fellow at the Wilson Center. We asked him about Benjamin Netanyahu's approach to negotiations with the Palestinians.
the, success of the obama administration's initiatives in, the middle east will depend in large part on israel that country is in the midst of political uncertainty after last month's parliamentary elections failed to produce a clear winner now right-wing leader and former prime minister. benjamin netanyahu is trying to cobble together a, coalition. government but he had a setback over the weekend when a key centrist party refused to join him aaron david miller has advised. six american, secretaries of state he's now a fellow at the wilson center we asked him about benjamin netanyahu's approach to negotiations with the
The success of the Obama administration's initiatives in the Middle, East will depend in large. part on Israel That country is in the midst of political uncertainty after last month's parliamentary. elections failed to produce, a, clear, winner Now right-wing leader and former, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to cobble together a coalition government But he. had a setback, over. the weekend, when a key centrist. party refused to join him Aaron David Miller has advised six American. secretaries of state He's now a. fellow at the Wilson Center We asked him about Benjamin Netanyahu's approach to negotiations with the
the success of the obama administration's initiatives in the middle east will depend, in large part, on israel. that country is in the midst of political uncertainty after last month's parliamentary elections failed to produce a clear winner. now, right-wing leader and former prime minister benjamin netanyahu is trying to cobble together a coalition government. but he had a setback over the weekend when a key centrist party refused to join him. aaron david miller has advised six american secretaries of state. he's now a fellow at the wilson center. we asked him about benjamin netanyahu's approach to negotiations with the palestinians.
Well, it's interesting because he's an ideologue, there's no question, leaning and ensconced in the right. But he's also capable of tremendous pragmatism. During his first incarnation as prime minister, 96 to 99, after swearing he would not reach any agreements with the PLO or Yasser Arafat, the Americans succeeded in brokering two, one which involved Israeli withdrawal from the city of Hebron, and second, a further West Bank withdrawal. But it's worth pointing out something else, that the history of peacemaking in Israel has really been a history dominated by the right or the center right. It's really a question in Israel of doves talking the talk and hawks walking the walk. The right in Israel has been capable of actually making agreements with the Arabs and actually delivering on them.
well it's interesting because he's an ideologue there's no question leaning and ensconced in the right, but he's also capable of tremendous pragmatism during his first incarnation as prime, minister; 96 to 99, after swearing he would not reach any agreements with, the plo or yasser arafat the americans succeeded, in brokering two one which involved israeli withdrawal from the city of hebron and second a further west bank withdrawal but it's worth pointing out something else that the history of peacemaking in israel has really been a history dominated by the right or the center right it's really a question in israel of doves talking the talk, and hawks walking the walk the right in israel has been capable of actually making agreements, with the arabs and actually delivering on
Well it's interesting because. he's an ideologue there's no, question leaning and ensconced in the right But he's also capable. of tremendous pragmatism During his first incarnation as prime minister 96 to 99, after swearing he would not reach any agreements with the PLO or Yasser Arafat the Americans succeeded in brokering two one which involved Israeli withdrawal from the city of Hebron and second. a further. West Bank withdrawal But it's worth. pointing out something else that the history of peacemaking in Israel has really been a history dominated by the right or the center right It's really a question in; Israel, of doves talking the talk and hawks walking the walk The, right in Israel has been capable of actually making agreements, with the Arabs and. actually, delivering on
well, it's interesting because he's an ideologue, there's no question, leaning and ensconced in the right. but he's also capable of tremendous pragmatism. during his first incarnation as prime minister, 96 to 99, after swearing he would not reach any agreements with the plo or yasser arafat, the americans succeeded in brokering two, one which involved israeli withdrawal from the city of hebron, and second, a further west bank withdrawal. but it's worth pointing out something else, that the history of peacemaking in israel has really been a history dominated by the right or the center right. it's really a question in israel of doves talking the talk and hawks walking the walk. the right in israel has been capable of actually making agreements with the arabs and actually delivering on them.
Now Secretary Clinton and her special envoy George Mitchell will be in Jerusalem tomorrow. Is it significant that they're visiting Israel in the midst of negotiations there to form a government? Is it possible that their presence will affect anything?
now secretary clinton and her special envoy george mitchell, will be in jerusalem tomorrow, is it significant that they're visiting. israel in the; midst of negotiations there to form a government? is it. possible that their presence will affect
Now Secretary Clinton and her special envoy George Mitchell will be in Jerusalem tomorrow Is it significant that they're visiting, Israel in the midst of negotiations there to, form a government? Is it possible that their presence, will affect
now secretary clinton and her special envoy george mitchell will be in jerusalem tomorrow. is it significant that they're visiting israel in the midst of negotiations there to form a government? is it possible that their presence will affect anything?
Only if something impolitic or provocative is said by the secretary of state, and I doubt if she'll go down that road. There's almost precedent, if I recall, for an American secretary of state visiting Israel during the sensitive period of time during a coalition negotiation. And there's a history here because the last Clinton who interceded in Israeli politics, Bill Clinton, did so in the very contentious spring of 1996 when, in an effort to reassure the Israelis after four bombs were detonated in nine days that killed 60 Israelis by Hamas in Palestine Islamic jihad, Bill Clinton created a summit of the peacemakers in Sharm el-Sheikh surrounding Simon Peres, who was then prime minister, with all of these Arab leaders - no doubt in an effort to influence the Israeli elections that would be held that June. Unfortunately, Peres ran a bad campaign and Netanyahu won. So I'm sure that Netanyahu is wondering about all this, and here comes another Clinton.
only, if something impolitic or provocative is said by the secretary of state and i doubt if she'll go down that road there's almost precedent if i recall for an american secretary of state visiting israel during the sensitive period of time during a coalition negotiation. and there's a history here because the last clinton who interceded in israeli politics bill clinton did so in the very. contentious spring of 1996 when in an effort to reassure the israelis after four bombs; were detonated in nine, days that killed 60 israelis, by hamas in palestine islamic jihad bill clinton created a, summit of the peacemakers in sharm el-sheikh surrounding simon peres who was then prime minister with all of these arab leaders - no doubt in an effort to influence the. israeli elections. that would be, held that june unfortunately peres ran a bad campaign and netanyahu won so i'm sure that netanyahu is wondering about all this and here, comes another,
Only if something impolitic or provocative is. said by the secretary of state and I doubt if she'll go down that road There's almost precedent if I recall for an American secretary. of state visiting Israel during. the, sensitive period of time during a coalition negotiation And there's a history here because the last Clinton who interceded in Israeli politics Bill Clinton did so in the very contentious spring of 1996 when in an effort to, reassure the Israelis, after four bombs. were detonated in nine, days that killed 60 Israelis by Hamas in Palestine Islamic jihad Bill Clinton created a summit of the peacemakers in Sharm el-Sheikh surrounding Simon, Peres, who was then prime, minister with all of these Arab leaders - no doubt in an effort to influence the Israeli elections that would be held that June Unfortunately Peres ran a bad campaign and Netanyahu won So. I'm sure that Netanyahu is. wondering, about all this and here comes another
only if something impolitic or provocative is said by the secretary of state, and i doubt if she'll go down that road. there's almost precedent, if i recall, for an american secretary of state visiting israel during the sensitive period of time during a coalition negotiation. and there's a history here because the last clinton who interceded in israeli politics, bill clinton, did so in the very contentious spring of 1996 when, in an effort to reassure the israelis after four bombs were detonated in nine days that killed 60 israelis by hamas in palestine islamic jihad, bill clinton created a summit of the peacemakers in sharm el-sheikh surrounding simon peres, who was then prime minister, with all of these arab leaders - no doubt in an effort to influence the israeli elections that would be held that june. unfortunately, peres ran a bad campaign and netanyahu won. so i'm sure that netanyahu is wondering about all this, and here comes another clinton.
You think he may have taken this personally?
you think. he may have taken this
You think he may, have taken this
you think he may have taken this personally?
I think, to some degree, he's grown. And he may well have grown to the point where, in an effort to preserve his government, he's going to go to significant lengths to avoid alienating the United States.
i think to some degree he's. grown and he. may well have grown to the point, where in an effort to preserve his government he's going to go to significant lengths to avoid alienating the united,
I think to some degree he's grown. And he. may well have grown to the point where. in an effort to preserve his government he's going to go to significant lengths to avoid alienating the United
i think, to some degree, he's grown. and he may well have grown to the point where, in an effort to preserve his government, he's going to go to significant lengths to avoid alienating the united states.
Now you were involved for decades with U.S. efforts to broker peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors. What advice do you have for George Mitchell right now, President Obama's peace envoy?
now you were involved for decades with. u.s efforts to broker peace between israel and its arab neighbors what advice do you have; for george mitchell right now president obama's peace
Now you were, involved for decades with U.S; efforts to broker peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors What advice do you have for George Mitchell right; now President Obama's peace
now you were involved for decades with u.s. efforts to broker peace between israel and its arab neighbors. what advice do you have for george mitchell right now, president obama's peace envoy?
So for the Obama administration, it really is a question of picking your spots. Don't ignore the Israeli-Palestinian problem. But don't go looking from breakthroughs there. You won't find them.
so for the obama administration it really is a question of picking your spots don't ignore; the israeli-palestinian problem but don't go looking from breakthroughs there you won't. find
So for the Obama administration it really is a question of; picking your spots Don't ignore the Israeli-Palestinian problem But don't go looking, from breakthroughs there You won't find
so for the obama administration, it really is a question of picking your spots. don't ignore the israeli-palestinian problem. but don't go looking from breakthroughs there. you won't find them.
Aaron David Miller's recent book is called, "The Much Too Promised Land." Mr. Miller, thank you very much.
aaron david miller's, recent book is. called "the much too, promised, land" mr miller thank you very
Aaron David Miller's recent book is called "The Much Too Promised Land" Mr Miller thank you, very
aaron david miller's recent book is called, "the much too promised land." mr. miller, thank you very much.
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And Kosovo has declared a new national holiday. It's to mark the declaration of independence from Serbia a decade after bloody separatist war with Serbia. Tens of thousands celebrated in the streets, in spite of the fact that Serbia immediately declared the new state illegal, as did Russia. It demanded an emergency meeting of the United Nations to proclaim the declaration null an void. NPR's Sylvia Poggioli reports from the Kosovo capital, Pristina.
and kosovo, has declared a, new national holiday it's to mark, the declaration of independence from serbia a, decade after. bloody separatist war with. serbia, tens; of thousands celebrated in the streets in spite of the fact that serbia immediately declared the new state illegal as did russia it, demanded an emergency meeting of the; united nations to proclaim the declaration null. an void npr's sylvia poggioli reports from the kosovo capital
And Kosovo has declared a new; national holiday It's to mark the declaration. of independence from Serbia a decade after bloody separatist war with, Serbia Tens of thousands celebrated in the streets in spite of the, fact that Serbia immediately declared the new state illegal as did Russia It demanded an emergency meeting. of the United Nations to proclaim the declaration null an void NPR's Sylvia Poggioli reports from the, Kosovo. capital
and kosovo has declared a new national holiday. it's to mark the declaration of independence from serbia a decade after bloody separatist war with serbia. tens of thousands celebrated in the streets, in spite of the fact that serbia immediately declared the new state illegal, as did russia. it demanded an emergency meeting of the united nations to proclaim the declaration null an void. npr's sylvia poggioli reports from the kosovo capital, pristina.
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What do you think of the ad campaign that's now launched against you, saying in reality there's no such thing as clean coal?
what do you think of the ad campaign that's now; launched against you saying in reality there's. no such thing as clean
What do you. think of the ad campaign that's now launched against you saying in reality there's no such, thing as clean
what do you think of the ad campaign that's now launched against you, saying in reality there's no such thing as clean coal?
Well, I don't agree with that at all. Clean coal is a term of art that's been around for over 30 years, and it's shorthand for clean coal technology. It is that whole suite of technologies that have been used to reduce the environmental footprint of using coal to generate electricity. We've made tremendous progress in reducing the environmental footprint of using coal to generate electricity.
well i don't agree with that at all clean coal is a term of art that's been around for. over 30 years and it's shorthand for. clean coal technology it is that whole suite of technologies that have been. used to. reduce the environmental footprint of using coal to generate electricity, we've made. tremendous, progress in reducing the environmental footprint of using. coal to generate
Well I don't agree with that at all Clean coal is. a term of art that's been around for over 30 years and it's shorthand for clean coal technology It is that whole. suite of technologies that have been used to reduce, the environmental footprint of using coal to generate electricity We've made tremendous progress. in reducing the environmental footprint of using coal to generate.
well, i don't agree with that at all. clean coal is a term of art that's been around for over 30 years, and it's shorthand for clean coal technology. it is that whole suite of technologies that have been used to reduce the environmental footprint of using coal to generate electricity. we've made tremendous progress in reducing the environmental footprint of using coal to generate electricity.
When McKinsey & Company, the big consultant firm, studied CO2 capture and storage technologies in Europe, they defined the aim of all of this as capturing around 90 percent of carbon dioxide emissions from a coal-burning plant. If that is what clean coal is, does it exist right now? Is there really an existing big, industrial-scale plant in which you can capture 90 percent of the CO2?
when mckinsey & company the big consultant firm studied co2 capture and storage. technologies in europe they defined the aim of all of this as capturing around 90 percent. of carbon dioxide emissions from a coal-burning plant if that is. what clean coal is does it exist right now? is there really an existing big industrial-scale. plant in which you can capture 90 percent. of the
When McKinsey & Company the big consultant firm studied CO2 capture and storage technologies in; Europe they defined the aim of all of. this as, capturing. around 90 percent of carbon dioxide emissions from a coal-burning plant If that is what. clean coal is does it exist right now? Is there really an existing, big industrial-scale plant, in, which you can capture 90 percent of, the
when mckinsey & company, the big consultant firm, studied co2 capture and storage technologies in europe, they defined the aim of all of this as capturing around 90 percent of carbon dioxide emissions from a coal-burning plant. if that is what clean coal is, does it exist right now? is there really an existing big, industrial-scale plant in which you can capture 90 percent of the co2?
There is not that plant, but that is not what clean coal is today. Clean coal is an evolutionary term just like medical technology. Thirty years ago, when we didn't have MRI machines, we didn't say that we didn't have medical technology. But now we have medical technology that includes MRI machines, so our understanding of what is medical technology has evolved.
there is not that plant but that is not what clean coal is today clean coal. is, an evolutionary term just like medical technology thirty years ago when we didn't have mri. machines we didn't say that we didn't have medical technology but now we have, medical technology. that includes mri machines so our understanding of what is medical technology has
There is not that plant but that is not what clean, coal is today Clean coal, is an evolutionary term just like medical technology Thirty years ago when we didn't have MRI machines we didn't say that we didn't have medical technology But now we have medical, technology that includes MRI machines so our understanding of what is medical technology has
there is not that plant, but that is not what clean coal is today. clean coal is an evolutionary term just like medical technology. thirty years ago, when we didn't have mri machines, we didn't say that we didn't have medical technology. but now we have medical technology that includes mri machines, so our understanding of what is medical technology has evolved.
Don't you think that the analogy between clean coal and medical technology is a bit imperfect here, that clean coal is a value judgment? It implies something good, successful that has happened. Medical technology implies no particular success. It's just a great enterprise. Clean coal seems to imply it's good, it's here.
don't you think, that. the analogy between clean coal and medical technology is a bit imperfect here that clean coal is a value judgment? it implies something good successful that has. happened medical technology implies no particular success it's just a, great enterprise clean coal seems to imply. it's good it's
Don't you think that the analogy between clean coal and medical technology is a bit imperfect here that clean coal is a value judgment? It implies something good successful that has happened. Medical technology implies no particular success It's just a. great. enterprise Clean coal seems to imply it's good it's
don't you think that the analogy between clean coal and medical technology is a bit imperfect here, that clean coal is a value judgment? it implies something good, successful that has happened. medical technology implies no particular success. it's just a great enterprise. clean coal seems to imply it's good, it's here.
I don't agree with you that it is a misnomer or a misuse of the term at all. It is, in fact, talking about this evolutionary progress that we have made over the years. And if you had the vice president and me sitting side by side here in the studio, we would agree that the ultimate goal is to reach that zero emissions portfolio. The answer is how do we get there, how fast and how much does it cost?
i don't agree with you that it is a misnomer or a misuse of the term at all it is in fact talking about this evolutionary progress that we have made over the years and if. you had the vice president and me sitting side by side here in the studio we would agree that the ultimate goal is to reach that zero emissions portfolio the answer is how do we get there how, fast and how much does it
I don't agree with you that it; is a misnomer or a misuse of the term at all It is in fact talking; about this evolutionary progress that we have made, over the years And if you had the vice president and me sitting. side by side here in the studio we would agree that the ultimate goal is to reach that. zero emissions portfolio The answer is how do we get there how fast and how much does it
i don't agree with you that it is a misnomer or a misuse of the term at all. it is, in fact, talking about this evolutionary progress that we have made over the years. and if you had the vice president and me sitting side by side here in the studio, we would agree that the ultimate goal is to reach that zero emissions portfolio. the answer is how do we get there, how fast and how much does it cost?
But there is a difference between a process and a product. The process, you're saying, is the process of over the years making clean coal. Right now, the product, clean coal, meaning coal that's been - that emits hardly any carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, that's not here yet.
but there is a difference between a process and a product the process you're saying is the process of over the years making clean coal right now the product clean coal meaning coal, that's been - that emits hardly any carbon; dioxide into the atmosphere, that's not here
But there is a, difference, between a process and a product, The process you're saying; is the process of over the years making clean coal Right now the product clean coal meaning coal that's been - that emits hardly any carbon dioxide into the atmosphere that's not here,
but there is a difference between a process and a product. the process, you're saying, is the process of over the years making clean coal. right now, the product, clean coal, meaning coal that's been - that emits hardly any carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, that's not here yet.
Well, somebody asked me that question over a year ago about clean coal. And I said, I learned a long time ago when my mother told me to go clean my room that people's value judgment of what was clean was different. I thought I did a very good job on cleaning my room only to find out that her definition was different. And the fact is...
well somebody asked me that question over a year ago about clean coal and i said i learned a long time ago when my mother told me to go clean my room that people's value judgment of what was clean was different i thought i did a very, good job on cleaning my, room. only to, find out that her definition was different and the fact
Well somebody asked me that question over, a year ago about clean coal And I said. I learned a long time ago when my mother told me to go clean my room, that people's value judgment of what was clean was different I thought I did a very good job on cleaning my room only to find, out, that, her. definition was different And the fact
well, somebody asked me that question over a year ago about clean coal. and i said, i learned a long time ago when my mother told me to go clean my room that people's value judgment of what was clean was different. i thought i did a very good job on cleaning my room only to find out that her definition was different. and the fact is...
What about that McKinsey definition? They said 90 percent of the CO2 emitted from the burning of the - emitted from burning the coal would be captured and then you could store it somewhere.
what about that mckinsey definition? they said. 90 percent. of the co2 emitted. from the burning of the - emitted from burning the coal would be captured and, then you could, store it
What about that. McKinsey definition? They said 90 percent of the CO2 emitted from the burning of the - emitted from. burning the coal would, be captured and then you could store it;
what about that mckinsey definition? they said 90 percent of the co2 emitted from the burning of the - emitted from burning the coal would be captured and then you could store it somewhere.
That's what they described. When I look at what the majority of Americans say is clean coal is the fact that we're using technology today to reduce the emissions of hazardous air pollutants. And the fact that we will be able to, over the next ten years, begin to bring technologies into the marketplace to capture and store carbon, that's what the American people believe that clean coal is.
that's what they described when i look at what the majority of. americans say is, clean coal is the fact that we're using technology today to reduce the emissions of hazardous air pollutants and the fact, that we will; be able to over the next ten years begin to bring technologies into the marketplace to capture and store carbon that's what the american people believe that clean; coal
That's what they described When I. look at. what the majority, of Americans say is clean coal is the fact that we're using technology today to reduce the emissions of hazardous air pollutants And the fact that we will be able to over the next ten years, begin to bring technologies into the marketplace to capture and store carbon that's what the American people believe that, clean coal.
that's what they described. when i look at what the majority of americans say is clean coal is the fact that we're using technology today to reduce the emissions of hazardous air pollutants. and the fact that we will be able to, over the next ten years, begin to bring technologies into the marketplace to capture and store carbon, that's what the american people believe that clean coal is.
But Mr. Lucas, you're also saying that you've influenced that opinion. I mean, that in part what people are saying clean coal is, is in part what you've gotten them to think it is from campaigning for the past eight years.
but mr lucas you're also. saying that you've influenced that opinion i mean that, in part what people are saying clean coal is is in part what you've. gotten. them to, think it is. from campaigning for the past eight
But Mr. Lucas you're also saying, that you've influenced that opinion. I mean that in part what people, are saying clean coal is is in part what you've gotten them. to think it is from campaigning for the past eight
but mr. lucas, you're also saying that you've influenced that opinion. i mean, that in part what people are saying clean coal is, is in part what you've gotten them to think it is from campaigning for the past eight years.
But I think that the American public looks at things. I mean, what you see over time is that today the reality is Americans believe in great measure the coal-based electricity sector has been able to deliver affordable, reliable energy using domestic energy resources where applicable, keep costs low, and continuous environmental improvement. That's what we've done up until this point, and that's what we'll do going forward.
but, i think that the american public looks at things i mean what you see over time is that. today, the reality is, americans believe in great measure the coal-based electricity sector has been able to deliver affordable reliable energy, using domestic energy resources where applicable keep costs low and continuous environmental improvement that's what, we've done up until this point and that's what we'll do going
But I think that the. American public looks at things I mean what you see over, time is that today the reality is Americans believe in great, measure the coal-based electricity sector has been, able to deliver affordable reliable energy using domestic energy, resources, where applicable keep costs low and continuous environmental, improvement That's what we've done up until this point and that's what we'll do going
but i think that the american public looks at things. i mean, what you see over time is that today the reality is americans believe in great measure the coal-based electricity sector has been able to deliver affordable, reliable energy using domestic energy resources where applicable, keep costs low, and continuous environmental improvement. that's what we've done up until this point, and that's what we'll do going forward.
That's Joe Lucas who is vice president for communications with the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity. Earlier, we heard from former Vice President Al Gore who now chairs the Alliance for Climate Protection.
that's joe lucas who is vice president for communications with the american coalition for clean. coal electricity earlier we heard from former vice president al gore who now chairs the alliance. for climate
That's Joe Lucas who is vice president for, communications with the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity Earlier we heard from former Vice President Al Gore who now chairs the Alliance, for Climate
that's joe lucas who is vice president for communications with the american coalition for clean coal electricity. earlier, we heard from former vice president al gore who now chairs the alliance for climate protection.
From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Jacki Lyden. Andrea Seabrook is on assignment.
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From NPR News this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'm Jacki Lyden Andrea Seabrook is on
from npr news, this is all things considered. i'm jacki lyden. andrea seabrook is on assignment.
The two men on the newly-minted Democratic ticket took their first public bow today. Barack Obama introduced Senator Joe Biden as his running mate to a cheering throng in Springfield, Illinois.
the two men on the newly-minted democratic ticket took their first public bow today barack, obama introduced senator joe biden; as his running mate to a cheering throng in springfield
The two. men on the newly-minted Democratic ticket took their first public bow, today Barack Obama, introduced Senator Joe. Biden as his running mate to a cheering throng in Springfield
the two men on the newly-minted democratic ticket took their first public bow today. barack obama introduced senator joe biden as his running mate to a cheering throng in springfield, illinois.
Joe Biden is that rare mix. For decades, he's brought change to Washington but Washington hasn't changed him. He's an expert on foreign policy whose heart and values are firmly rooted in the middle class. He's stared down dictators and spoken out for American cops and firefighters. He is uniquely suited to be my partner as we work to put our country back on track.
joe biden is that rare mix for decades he's brought change to washington but washington, hasn't changed him he's an expert on foreign policy whose heart and values are firmly rooted in the middle class he's stared. down dictators and, spoken out for american. cops, and firefighters he is uniquely suited to be my partner, as we work to put our country back; on
Joe, Biden is that rare mix For decades he's brought change to Washington but Washington hasn't changed. him He's an expert, on foreign policy whose heart and values are firmly rooted in the middle class He's stared down dictators and spoken out. for American cops, and firefighters He is uniquely, suited to be my partner as we work to. put our country back. on
joe biden is that rare mix. for decades, he's brought change to washington but washington hasn't changed him. he's an expert on foreign policy whose heart and values are firmly rooted in the middle class. he's stared down dictators and spoken out for american cops and firefighters. he is uniquely suited to be my partner as we work to put our country back on track.
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Joe Biden echoed that theme, drawing on his 36 years of service in the U.S. Senate.
joe biden, echoed. that theme drawing on his, 36 years of service in the u.s
Joe Biden echoed that theme drawing on his 36 years of service in the U.S
joe biden echoed that theme, drawing on his 36 years of service in the u.s. senate.
I have never in my life seen Washington so broken. I've never seen so many dreams denied and so many decisions deferred by politicians who are trying like the devil to escape their responsibility and accountability. But, ladies and gentlemen, the reckoning is now.
i have never in. my life seen washington so broken i've never, seen so many; dreams denied and so many decisions deferred by politicians who are trying like the devil to escape; their responsibility and accountability but ladies and gentlemen the reckoning is
I have never in my life seen Washington so broken I've never seen so many, dreams denied and so many decisions deferred by politicians who are trying like the devil to escape their responsibility and accountability But ladies and gentlemen the reckoning is
i have never in my life seen washington so broken. i've never seen so many dreams denied and so many decisions deferred by politicians who are trying like the devil to escape their responsibility and accountability. but, ladies and gentlemen, the reckoning is now.
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And the reality is that we must answer the call or we will risk the harshest version and verdict of history. These times call for a total change in Washington's worldview. These times require more than a good soldier. They require a wise leader.
and the reality. is that we. must answer the call or. we will risk, the harshest version and verdict, of history these, times call for a total change in washington's worldview these. times require more than a good soldier they require a wise
And the reality is, that we. must answer the call or we, will risk the. harshest version and verdict of history These times call for a total change in; Washington's worldview These times require more, than a good soldier They require a wise
and the reality is that we must answer the call or we will risk the harshest version and verdict of history. these times call for a total change in washington's worldview. these times require more than a good soldier. they require a wise leader.
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NPR's Ina Jaffe is in Springfield. Ina, thanks for being with us, and would you set the scene for us, please?
npr's ina jaffe is in springfield ina thanks for being with, us and would you set the scene for us,
NPR's, Ina Jaffe is in Springfield Ina thanks for being with us and would you set the scene for us
npr's ina jaffe is in springfield. ina, thanks for being with us, and would you set the scene for us, please?
Sure, Jacki. You know, there were 35,000 people here in this hot, sticky weather and they were all holding up the newly printed signs that say Obama-Biden. It was held in front of the old state capitol, which is a venerable weathered stone building where Obama declared his candidacy in February, 19 months ago.
sure jacki, you know there were 35,000 people here in this hot sticky weather and they were all holding up the, newly printed signs, that say obama-biden it was held. in front of the old state capitol, which is a venerable weathered stone building where obama declared his candidacy in february, 19 months
Sure Jacki You. know there were 35,000 people here in this hot sticky weather and they were; all holding up the newly printed signs that say, Obama-Biden It was held in front of the old state capitol which is a. venerable weathered stone building where Obama declared his candidacy, in February 19 months
sure, jacki. you know, there were 35,000 people here in this hot, sticky weather and they were all holding up the newly printed signs that say obama-biden. it was held in front of the old state capitol, which is a venerable weathered stone building where obama declared his candidacy in february, 19 months ago.
But in many cases we found there was nothing to support it and they were really stretching the truth.
but in many cases we found there was nothing to support it and they were really stretching the
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but in many cases we found there was nothing to support it and they were really stretching the truth.
It's not, you know, actually, and this is, again, a tribute, I think, not just to the designers but to the phenomenal craftwork: plumbers, landscape. Peter Walker is the man who designed the landscape of what he calls an urban grove of what will eventually be 400 swamp oaks. If you go - and it is a sort of, you know, still frantically busy construction site - the feeling you have is of three elements to this. The first and the most immediate is that isn't - there's a memorial plaza. It's our world even though we're coming to grieve and reflect on the threats on democracy or whatever. It's a world where you can easily feel children will come and play in the space underneath the trees and will taken by their relatives to find the names of the missing, or simply by people who are part of what I call in the essay, this larger, extended community of mourners, which are all of us, all of us in America, all of us in the Western democracies. You can see that that will be a human-populated space.
it's not you know actually and this is again a tribute i think not just to the designers but, to the phenomenal craftwork: plumbers landscape. peter walker is the man who designed the landscape of what he calls an urban grove of. what will eventually be 400 swamp oaks if you go - and it is a sort of; you know still frantically busy construction site - the feeling, you have is. of three elements to this; the first and the most immediate is that isn't - there's a memorial plaza it's our world even though we're. coming to grieve and. reflect on, the threats on democracy or whatever it's a world where you can; easily feel children will come and play in. the space underneath the trees and will taken by their relatives to find the names of the missing or simply by people. who are part of what i call in the essay this larger extended community of mourners, which are all of us all. of us in america all of us in the western democracies you can see that that will be a human-populated
It's not you know actually and this is again a tribute I. think not just to the designers but to the phenomenal craftwork: plumbers, landscape Peter Walker is the man who designed the landscape of what he calls an, urban grove of what will eventually be 400 swamp oaks If you go - and it is a sort of you know still frantically busy construction site - the feeling you have is of three elements to this The first and the most immediate is that isn't - there's a memorial plaza It's our world even though we're coming to grieve and reflect on the threats. on democracy, or whatever It's a world where you can easily feel children will come and play in the, space underneath the trees and will taken by their relatives to find the names of the missing or simply by people who are part of what I call in the essay this larger extended community of mourners which are all, of us all of us in America all of us in the Western democracies You can see that that will be a human-populated
it's not, you know, actually, and this is, again, a tribute, i think, not just to the designers but to the phenomenal craftwork: plumbers, landscape. peter walker is the man who designed the landscape of what he calls an urban grove of what will eventually be 400 swamp oaks. if you go - and it is a sort of, you know, still frantically busy construction site - the feeling you have is of three elements to this. the first and the most immediate is that isn't - there's a memorial plaza. it's our world even though we're coming to grieve and reflect on the threats on democracy or whatever. it's a world where you can easily feel children will come and play in the space underneath the trees and will taken by their relatives to find the names of the missing, or simply by people who are part of what i call in the essay, this larger, extended community of mourners, which are all of us, all of us in america, all of us in the western democracies. you can see that that will be a human-populated space.
I did ask one of the people, so are there going to be ice creams, for example? I saw no reason why there shouldn't be, actually...
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i did ask one of the people, so are there going to be ice creams, for example? i saw no reason why there shouldn't be, actually...
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...and she wasn't quite sure about that. I must say, there are no benches actually under the trees. It's a very British thing, I suppose, the bench. But I rather love the bench. You have rather formidably austere granite slabs on which you sit, which is disconcerting.
...and she wasn't quite sure about that i must say there, are no benches actually under the trees it's a very british thing i suppose the bench but i rather love the bench you have rather formidably austere granite slabs on which you sit which is
...and she wasn't quite sure about, that I must say there are no benches actually under the trees. It's a, very. British thing I suppose, the bench But I rather love the bench You, have, rather formidably austere granite slabs on; which you sit which is
...and she wasn't quite sure about that. i must say, there are no benches actually under the trees. it's a very british thing, i suppose, the bench. but i rather love the bench. you have rather formidably austere granite slabs on which you sit, which is disconcerting.
Down below, what you observe is memory, is the past, is the catastrophe, the footprints of the towers. You have this kind of rather terrible, almost Egyptian - because the Egyptians felt the dead still walked among them - Egyptian feeling of the waters of grief. And all around, of course, skyscrapers, office blocks of better and lesser value, worth, design and aesthetic splendor are going up. That, too, is a retort to the terrorists, you know? In the essay, I say, well, the merchants of death will be replied to by the merchandizing of everything else, actually.
down below what you observe is memory is the past is, the catastrophe the. footprints of. the towers you have this kind, of rather terrible almost egyptian - because the egyptians felt the dead. still walked among them - egyptian feeling of the waters of grief and all around of course skyscrapers office blocks of better and lesser value worth design and. aesthetic splendor. are going up that too is a retort to the. terrorists you know? in the essay i say well the merchants of death will be replied to by, the merchandizing of everything else
Down below what you observe is memory is the past is. the catastrophe the footprints of the towers You have this kind, of rather terrible almost Egyptian. - because the, Egyptians felt the dead, still walked; among them - Egyptian feeling of the waters of grief And all around of course skyscrapers office blocks of better and lesser value worth design and aesthetic splendor are going up That; too is. a, retort to the terrorists you know? In the essay I say well the merchants. of death will be replied to by the merchandizing of everything else
down below, what you observe is memory, is the past, is the catastrophe, the footprints of the towers. you have this kind of rather terrible, almost egyptian - because the egyptians felt the dead still walked among them - egyptian feeling of the waters of grief. and all around, of course, skyscrapers, office blocks of better and lesser value, worth, design and aesthetic splendor are going up. that, too, is a retort to the terrorists, you know? in the essay, i say, well, the merchants of death will be replied to by the merchandizing of everything else, actually.
And so you do have the sense this will be business. There will be a time when somehow past, present and America's wonderful perennial belief in the future will all come together quite seamlessly. It will just be one of the great spaces in American public life, I think.
and so you do have the sense this will be business there, will be a time when somehow past present and america's. wonderful perennial belief in the future will. all come together quite seamlessly it will just, be one of the great spaces in american public life. i
And so you do have the sense, this will be business There will be a time when somehow past present and America's wonderful perennial belief in the future, will all come together, quite seamlessly It will, just be one of the great spaces in American public life I
and so you do have the sense this will be business. there will be a time when somehow past, present and america's wonderful perennial belief in the future will all come together quite seamlessly. it will just be one of the great spaces in american public life, i think.
Interesting, you mentioned benches. I don't know if you had, again, a chance to go to the Pentagon Memorial, but it is built around benches designed so those facing into the building represent those people who were aboard the aircraft, Flight 77, that crashed into the building. Those pointed out were those in the building who died as a result of the crash.
interesting you mentioned benches i don't know if you had again a chance, to go to the pentagon memorial but, it is, built, around benches. designed so those facing into. the building represent. those people who were aboard. the aircraft flight 77, that, crashed into the. building, those pointed out were those, in the building who died as a result of the
Interesting you. mentioned benches I don't know if. you had again a chance. to go to the Pentagon Memorial but it is built around benches designed so those, facing into, the, building represent those people who were aboard the aircraft Flight 77, that crashed into the building Those pointed out were those in the building who died as a result of the
interesting, you mentioned benches. i don't know if you had, again, a chance to go to the pentagon memorial, but it is built around benches designed so those facing into the building represent those people who were aboard the aircraft, flight 77, that crashed into the building. those pointed out were those in the building who died as a result of the crash.
Are people going to be sit - going to be able to be sit on them?
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are people going to be sit - going to be able to be sit on them?
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Well, I think that's rather good, actually. I think the whole sense of repose is actually part of very good memorials. Those of you out there who don't know the Oklahoma City Memorial, that is absolutely magnificent. Of course it's much smaller than 9/11. But it actually is not quite the same thing. But there is a stone, a large almost throne-like stone - well, that's too much - a large stone chair for every one of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing. And they're seated around like a kind of, you know, banquet of missing souls, a body of reflecting water with a clock stopped at the moment when the horrible bomb went off. And that's rather wonderful.
well i. think, that's rather good actually i think the whole sense of repose is actually part of very good memorials those of you out there who don't know the oklahoma city. memorial that is absolutely. magnificent of course it's much smaller than 9/11. but it, actually is not quite the same thing but there is a stone a large almost throne-like stone - well that's too much - a large stone chair for every one of the victims of the oklahoma city bombing and, they're, seated around like a kind of you know banquet of missing souls a body of reflecting water with a clock stopped at the moment when the horrible bomb went. off and that's rather.
Well I think that's rather good actually I think the whole. sense. of repose is actually part of very good memorials Those of you out there who don't, know the Oklahoma, City Memorial that is absolutely magnificent Of course it's, much smaller than, 9/11. But it actually is not. quite the same thing But there is a stone a large almost throne-like stone - well. that's, too much - a, large stone chair for, every one of the victims of the Oklahoma, City. bombing And they're seated around like a kind of you, know banquet of missing souls a body of reflecting water with a clock stopped at the moment when the horrible bomb went off And that's rather
well, i think that's rather good, actually. i think the whole sense of repose is actually part of very good memorials. those of you out there who don't know the oklahoma city memorial, that is absolutely magnificent. of course it's much smaller than 9/11. but it actually is not quite the same thing. but there is a stone, a large almost throne-like stone - well, that's too much - a large stone chair for every one of the victims of the oklahoma city bombing. and they're seated around like a kind of, you know, banquet of missing souls, a body of reflecting water with a clock stopped at the moment when the horrible bomb went off. and that's rather wonderful.
So - listen. I think sort of people might have problems somehow with, you know, sitting on a representation of the dead, actually. That's why I asked about the benches. But I don't, actually.
so - listen i think sort of people might have problems somehow with you know sitting. on a representation of the dead actually that's why. i asked about the benches but i don't
So. - listen I think sort of, people might have problems, somehow with you know sitting on a representation of the dead actually That's why I. asked about the, benches But I don't
so - listen. i think sort of people might have problems somehow with, you know, sitting on a representation of the dead, actually. that's why i asked about the benches. but i don't, actually.
We're talking with Simon Schama, a British historian and art historian, university professor at Columbia, contributing editor at the Financial Times, where he wrote the essay "The Remains of That Day." He's with us from our bureau in New York. What is the purpose of a public memorial? Which that you visited work? Give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email: [email protected]. And Brad is on the line calling from Wichita.
we're talking with. simon schama a british. historian and art historian university professor at, columbia contributing editor at the financial times where he wrote the. essay, "the remains of that day" he's with us from our bureau; in new york what is the purpose of a public memorial? which that, you visited, work? give us a. call: 800-989-8255. email: [email protected] and brad is, on the line calling from
We're talking with Simon Schama a British. historian and. art historian university professor at; Columbia contributing editor. at the Financial Times where he, wrote the essay "The Remains of That Day" He's with us, from our bureau in New York What is the purpose of a public, memorial? Which that you visited work? Give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email: [email protected] And Brad is on the line calling from
we're talking with simon schama, a british historian and art historian, university professor at columbia, contributing editor at the financial times, where he wrote the essay "the remains of that day." he's with us from our bureau in new york. what is the purpose of a public memorial? which that you visited work? give us a call: 800-989-8255. email: [email protected]. and brad is on the line calling from wichita.
Hello, and thank you for taking my call. I visited the Oklahoma City bombing memorial, and it must have been about 10 years after the bombing itself. And I was not expecting much in the way of, you know, my ability to connect with the events of that day. However, when we got to the memorial, we were struck immediately by the size of the opening that greets you when you get to the memorial, walking through that opening and reaching the area where those chairs are positioned, each chair representing one of the lives lost that day. The emotion and the power of that memorial were absolutely intense. And I believe I cried for 20 minutes just taking in the events of that day. So I am very happy that the people of New York City and indeed the people of the world that are represented by those of New York City have a place that they can go and reflect upon what happened that day. And that's all I have to say.
hello and thank you for taking my call i visited the oklahoma city bombing, memorial and it must have been about 10 years after, the bombing itself; and i was not expecting much in the way of you know my ability to connect with the events, of that day however when we got to the memorial we, were struck immediately by the size, of, the opening that greets you when you get to the. memorial walking; through that opening and, reaching the area where those chairs are positioned each chair, representing one. of the lives lost that day the emotion and the power of that memorial were absolutely intense and i believe i cried for 20 minutes just taking in the events of that day. so i am very happy that the people of, new york. city and indeed the people of the world that are represented by those of new york city have a place that they can go and reflect upon what happened that day and that's all i have to
Hello and thank you for taking, my call I visited the Oklahoma. City bombing memorial. and it must have been about 10 years after the; bombing itself And, I, was not, expecting much in the way of; you know my ability to connect with the events, of that day However when, we got to the; memorial we were struck immediately by the size of the opening that greets. you, when you get to the memorial walking. through that, opening and reaching the area; where those chairs are positioned each chair representing one of the lives lost that day The emotion, and. the power of that memorial were absolutely intense And I believe I cried for 20 minutes just taking in the. events of that day So I am very happy that the people of New. York City and indeed the people of the world that are represented by, those of New York City have a. place that they, can go and reflect upon what happened that day And that's all I have to
hello, and thank you for taking my call. i visited the oklahoma city bombing memorial, and it must have been about 10 years after the bombing itself. and i was not expecting much in the way of, you know, my ability to connect with the events of that day. however, when we got to the memorial, we were struck immediately by the size of the opening that greets you when you get to the memorial, walking through that opening and reaching the area where those chairs are positioned, each chair representing one of the lives lost that day. the emotion and the power of that memorial were absolutely intense. and i believe i cried for 20 minutes just taking in the events of that day. so i am very happy that the people of new york city and indeed the people of the world that are represented by those of new york city have a place that they can go and reflect upon what happened that day. and that's all i have to say.
OK. Brad, thanks very much for the call. Interestingly, Simon Schama, it is a 9/11 memorial. It is not just those who were killed that day in New York, but those who were killed that day in Pennsylvania, and in Washington and indeed those killed at the earlier attack at the World Trade Center.
ok brad thanks very much for the. call, interestingly simon schama it is a 9/11 memorial it is not just those who were killed that day in new york. but those who were killed that day in. pennsylvania and in washington and indeed, those killed at the earlier attack at the world; trade
OK Brad thanks very much, for the call Interestingly Simon Schama it is a, 9/11 memorial. It. is not just those who were killed that day in New York but those who were killed that, day, in Pennsylvania; and in Washington and indeed those. killed at the earlier attack at the World Trade,
ok. brad, thanks very much for the call. interestingly, simon schama, it is a 9/11 memorial. it is not just those who were killed that day in new york, but those who were killed that day in pennsylvania, and in washington and indeed those killed at the earlier attack at the world trade center.
Yeah. Six people who were killed in 1993, Neal. I think that also - I'm not sure if it was part of the original brief in the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, but I'm very glad - and maybe it was - but it's a very good idea. Because in some sense, actually, what the memorial is - being a New Yorker, as opposed to a Londoner - we also had our calamity on 7/7 - it's first and foremost, you know, we feel it to be ours. On the other hand, New York, is, of course, a world city. When we talk about New York, we think immediately of the number of different cultures and religions and ethnic groups who can manage to live together peaceably or at least even when they differ without the obligation to exterminate each other.
yeah six people who were killed; in 1993, neal i think that also - i'm, not sure if it, was part, of the original brief in the lower. manhattan development corporation but i'm very glad - and maybe it was - but it's a very good idea because in some sense actually what the memorial is. - being a new. yorker. as, opposed to a londoner - we also had our calamity on 7/7 - it's first and foremost you know we feel it to be ours on the other hand new york is of course a world city when we talk. about new york, we. think immediately of the number of different cultures and religions and ethnic groups who. can manage. to live together peaceably or, at least even when they differ without the obligation to exterminate each
Yeah Six people who were killed in 1993, Neal I think that also - I'm not. sure if it was. part of the original brief in the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation but I'm very glad - and maybe it was - but it's a very good idea Because in some sense, actually; what the memorial is - being a. New Yorker as opposed to a Londoner - we also had our calamity on 7/7 - it's first and foremost you know we feel it to be, ours On the other, hand New York, is of course a world city When we talk about New York we think immediately of the number of different cultures and religions and ethnic groups, who can manage to live together. peaceably or at least even when they differ without the obligation to exterminate each
yeah. six people who were killed in 1993, neal. i think that also - i'm not sure if it was part of the original brief in the lower manhattan development corporation, but i'm very glad - and maybe it was - but it's a very good idea. because in some sense, actually, what the memorial is - being a new yorker, as opposed to a londoner - we also had our calamity on 7/7 - it's first and foremost, you know, we feel it to be ours. on the other hand, new york, is, of course, a world city. when we talk about new york, we think immediately of the number of different cultures and religions and ethnic groups who can manage to live together peaceably or at least even when they differ without the obligation to exterminate each other.
And in some sense, actually having the fallen at the Pentagon and in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, who were incredibly brave, of course, be part of this one big memorial, we feel bonded in the ideas for which we grieve. We're grieving for the loss, but in some sense, we're sort of grieving for the ideas that which put us together as a political community - freedom, toleration, lack of censorship, a resistance to theocratic tyranny. All these things bond us together as well as simply hands linked around the grave. So it's a very, very good idea, I think.
and in some sense actually having the fallen at the pentagon; and, in shanksville pennsylvania who, were incredibly brave of course be part of this one big memorial we. feel, bonded in the ideas for which we, grieve we're grieving for, the loss but in some sense we're sort of grieving for the ideas that which put us together as a political community - freedom toleration lack of censorship a resistance to theocratic tyranny all these things bond us together as. well as simply hands linked around the grave so it's, a very very good idea i
And in some sense actually having the. fallen at the Pentagon and in. Shanksville; Pennsylvania who were incredibly brave of. course be part of this, one big, memorial we feel bonded in the ideas for which we grieve We're grieving for, the loss but in some sense we're sort of grieving for the ideas that which put us together as a, political community - freedom toleration lack of censorship a resistance, to theocratic tyranny All these things bond us, together as well as simply hands. linked around the grave So it's a very very good idea I
and in some sense, actually having the fallen at the pentagon and in shanksville, pennsylvania, who were incredibly brave, of course, be part of this one big memorial, we feel bonded in the ideas for which we grieve. we're grieving for the loss, but in some sense, we're sort of grieving for the ideas that which put us together as a political community - freedom, toleration, lack of censorship, a resistance to theocratic tyranny. all these things bond us together as well as simply hands linked around the grave. so it's a very, very good idea, i think.
Let's go next to Terry(ph), Terry with us from Longwood in Florida.
let's go next to terry(ph), terry with us from longwood in.
Let's go next to Terry(ph), Terry with us from Longwood in
let's go next to terry(ph), terry with us from longwood in florida.
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Yes, I'm here. I'm here. Thank you very much for taking my call. You had asked what other memorials that we might have seen that might compare. I have been to the Arizona Memorial in Honolulu, and that one was particularly moving. It's, you know, it's a very graceful monument. You know, calls out all of the people who were involved, has a beautiful painting rendition of the day. Plus, you can actually see the infrastructure of the ship under the water, because it's not very far under the water. And even just thinking about it chokes me up a little bit. I was rather sorry to hear that they did not incorporate any of the steel or the sphere or anything like that from the World Trade Center in the monument, to the - or in the memorial to the people who died there.
yes i'm here i'm here thank you very much for taking my call you had asked what other memorials that. we might have seen that might compare i have been to the arizona memorial in honolulu and that one was particularly moving it's you know it's a very. graceful monument you know calls out. all of the people who. were involved, has a beautiful painting rendition of. the day, plus you can actually. see the infrastructure of the, ship under the water because it's not very far under the water and even just thinking about it chokes me up a little bit. i was. rather sorry to hear that they did not incorporate any of the steel or the sphere or anything like that from the world trade center in the monument to, the - or in the memorial to. the people who died
Yes, I'm here I'm here Thank you very much for taking my call You had asked what other memorials that we might have, seen that might compare I have been to the. Arizona Memorial in Honolulu and that; one was particularly. moving It's you know it's a very graceful, monument You know calls out all of the people, who were involved has. a beautiful painting rendition of the day Plus, you. can, actually see the infrastructure of the. ship under the water because it's not very far under the water And even just thinking about. it chokes me up. a little bit I was rather sorry to hear that they did not. incorporate any of the steel or the. sphere or anything like that from the. World Trade Center in the monument to the - or in. the memorial to the. people who died
yes, i'm here. i'm here. thank you very much for taking my call. you had asked what other memorials that we might have seen that might compare. i have been to the arizona memorial in honolulu, and that one was particularly moving. it's, you know, it's a very graceful monument. you know, calls out all of the people who were involved, has a beautiful painting rendition of the day. plus, you can actually see the infrastructure of the ship under the water, because it's not very far under the water. and even just thinking about it chokes me up a little bit. i was rather sorry to hear that they did not incorporate any of the steel or the sphere or anything like that from the world trade center in the monument, to the - or in the memorial to the people who died there.
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Neal, maybe I can put that right. First of all, I want to say that I couldn't agree more about Honolulu. It's deeply moving. It's somehow - there's an Atlantis quality about the half-buried, half-drowned vessel warships. And it's quite wonderfully graceful and has a kind of poetic economy, actually, if that's not too pretentious a way of putting it. But, what's your name, caller?
neal maybe i can put that right; first of all i want to say that, i couldn't agree more about honolulu it's deeply moving it's somehow, - there's. an, atlantis quality about the half-buried, half-drowned vessel warships and it's quite wonderfully graceful and, has a kind. of poetic economy actually if that's not too pretentious a way of putting it but what's, your name
Neal maybe I can put that right First of. all. I want to say that I couldn't agree more about Honolulu It's, deeply moving It's somehow - there's an Atlantis quality about the. half-buried half-drowned vessel warships And it's. quite wonderfully, graceful and has a kind of poetic economy actually if that's. not too pretentious a way of putting it But what's your name
neal, maybe i can put that right. first of all, i want to say that i couldn't agree more about honolulu. it's deeply moving. it's somehow - there's an atlantis quality about the half-buried, half-drowned vessel warships. and it's quite wonderfully graceful and has a kind of poetic economy, actually, if that's not too pretentious a way of putting it. but, what's your name, caller?
Terry.
terry.
Terry.
terry.
Terry, hi. No, maybe that's a problem for you, but I do want you to feel assured that the museum - it's a funny name for it really. What - the access, actually, to the site quite soon will be through the, I think, rather graceful and strong and successful above-ground entrance. Most of the museum containing remains and documentation and so on will be underground. And it will be finished next year. But the sort of heroic vestibule that you go through, of glass principally has, as its centerpiece, two of the monumental, the so-called trident columns.
terry hi. no maybe that's a problem for you but i do want you to feel assured, that the museum - it's a funny name for it, really what - the access actually to the site quite soon will be through the i think rather graceful and strong and successful above-ground, entrance most of the museum containing remains and documentation and so on will be underground and it will be finished next year but the sort. of heroic vestibule that you go, through of glass principally has; as its centerpiece two of the monumental the so-called trident
Terry hi No maybe that's a problem for you but I do want, you to feel assured that the museum - it's a funny name for it really What - the access actually to the site quite soon will be. through the I think rather graceful and strong, and successful; above-ground entrance Most of the, museum containing remains and documentation, and so on will be underground And, it will be. finished next year But the sort of heroic vestibule that, you go through of glass principally has as its centerpiece two of the monumental the so-called trident
terry, hi. no, maybe that's a problem for you, but i do want you to feel assured that the museum - it's a funny name for it really. what - the access, actually, to the site quite soon will be through the, i think, rather graceful and strong and successful above-ground entrance. most of the museum containing remains and documentation and so on will be underground. and it will be finished next year. but the sort of heroic vestibule that you go through, of glass principally has, as its centerpiece, two of the monumental, the so-called trident columns.
If you remember the epically ruined, tragic, heroic sort of pictures of those jutting columns of steel, which were supporting much of the structure of the World Trade Center, of the Two Towers, two of them, two of them been preserved at monumental heights, I believe about 60 foot, but don't quote me. And that, they perform a kind of - a sort of tragic salute to you as you go in. So the sense, actually, of the overcoming of ruin by a kind of defiance, which is very American, will be there, and actual remains are definitely going to be there. They're not incorporated into the physical structure of the fountains. That's quite true.
if you remember the epically ruined tragic heroic sort of pictures of. those jutting columns of, steel, which were supporting much of the structure of the world trade center of the two towers two of them two of them been preserved at monumental heights i, believe. about 60 foot but don't quote me. and that they perform. a kind of - a. sort of tragic salute to you as you go, in so, the, sense actually, of the overcoming of ruin by a kind of defiance which is very american will be there and actual remains are. definitely going to be there they're not incorporated into the physical structure of the fountains that's quite
If you remember the epically ruined tragic heroic sort of pictures of those jutting columns of steel which were supporting much of the structure of the World Trade Center of the Two Towers two of them two of them been preserved at monumental heights. I believe about 60 foot but don't quote me And that they perform a kind of - a sort of tragic, salute to you as you go in So the sense actually of the overcoming of ruin by a kind of defiance which is very American will be there and actual, remains are definitely going to be there They're not incorporated into the physical structure of the fountains That's. quite
if you remember the epically ruined, tragic, heroic sort of pictures of those jutting columns of steel, which were supporting much of the structure of the world trade center, of the two towers, two of them, two of them been preserved at monumental heights, i believe about 60 foot, but don't quote me. and that, they perform a kind of - a sort of tragic salute to you as you go in. so the sense, actually, of the overcoming of ruin by a kind of defiance, which is very american, will be there, and actual remains are definitely going to be there. they're not incorporated into the physical structure of the fountains. that's quite true.
I'm very glad to hear that. Thank you.
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i'm very glad to hear that. thank you.
Thanks for the call, Terry.
thanks for the call,
Thanks for the call
thanks for the call, terry.
Mm-hmm.
mm-hmm.
We're talking with Simon Schama on the Opinion Page this week. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. And Gordon is on the line, calling from Elk Rapids in Michigan.
we're talking with simon schama on the opinion page this week you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news and gordon is on the line calling. from elk rapids in
We're, talking with Simon Schama on the. Opinion Page this week You're listening to TALK OF, THE NATION from NPR News And Gordon is on the line calling from Elk Rapids in
we're talking with simon schama on the opinion page this week. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. and gordon is on the line, calling from elk rapids in michigan.
Good afternoon.
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I - every year, I go to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. I'm a Vietnam veteran. And I meet there with the 9th Ranger reunion. And it's mostly veterans there. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people. And it's a wonderful place to have a ceremony.
i - every year i go, to the vietnam veterans memorial i'm a vietnam veteran and i meet there with the 9th ranger reunion and it's. mostly veterans there hundreds maybe thousands of people and it's a wonderful place to have a
I - every year I go to the Vietnam Veterans, Memorial I'm a. Vietnam veteran And I meet there with the 9th Ranger reunion And. it's mostly veterans there Hundreds maybe thousands of people, And it's a wonderful place, to have a;
i - every year, i go to the vietnam veterans memorial. i'm a vietnam veteran. and i meet there with the 9th ranger reunion. and it's mostly veterans there. hundreds, maybe thousands of people. and it's a wonderful place to have a ceremony.
And perhaps - thanks very much for the call, Gordon. The remarkable controversy over the construction of the Vietnam Memorial - one of those you did not mention in your piece.
and perhaps - thanks very much for the call gordon the remarkable controversy over the construction of the vietnam memorial - one of those you did not mention in your
And; perhaps - thanks very much, for the call Gordon The remarkable controversy over the construction of, the Vietnam Memorial - one of those you did not mention in your
and perhaps - thanks very much for the call, gordon. the remarkable controversy over the construction of the vietnam memorial - one of those you did not mention in your piece.
Did I not, actually?
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Did I not
did i not, actually?
I don't think so.
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i don't think so.