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pythondev | help | i know Python looks up the class tree from the child upwards, not the other way around | 2019-03-13T18:39:23.498900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:39:23.498900 | 1,552,502,363.4989 | 13,221 |
pythondev | help | well, if you have an instance of "ChildError" | 2019-03-13T18:40:10.500100 | Kendra | pythondev_help_Kendra_2019-03-13T18:40:10.500100 | 1,552,502,410.5001 | 13,222 |
pythondev | help | then python goes through the `except` statements | 2019-03-13T18:40:32.500500 | Kendra | pythondev_help_Kendra_2019-03-13T18:40:32.500500 | 1,552,502,432.5005 | 13,223 |
pythondev | help | <@Tasha> this is basically just inheritance. Python will catch the error, since it's in a `try` block, and then see if you want to catch that particular error by checking your `except` blocks in sequence (much like if/elif/else blocks). Every class in Python has a linearized chain of ancestors. This linearization is determined through a process called "Method Resolution Order" (MRO), which can be tricky, but there's a great talk by Raymond Hettinger called "Super Considered Super" which does a great job of explaining it. With the MRO chain established, Python can quickly and easily check to see if you want to catch that error | 2019-03-13T18:40:40.500800 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:40:40.500800 | 1,552,502,440.5008 | 13,224 |
pythondev | help | and looks if class in `except` is in `ChildError`'s `__bases__` | 2019-03-13T18:41:32.501100 | Kendra | pythondev_help_Kendra_2019-03-13T18:41:32.501100 | 1,552,502,492.5011 | 13,225 |
pythondev | help | There’s also this, which is a bit tough to read but technically how the MRO sausage is made: <https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.3/mro/> | 2019-03-13T18:41:59.501800 | Carina | pythondev_help_Carina_2019-03-13T18:41:59.501800 | 1,552,502,519.5018 | 13,226 |
pythondev | help | ```In [1]: class ParentException(Exception): pass
In [2]: class ChildException(ParentException): pass
In [3]: exc = ChildException()
In [4]: exc.__class__.__bases__
Out[4]: (__main__.ParentException,)``` | 2019-03-13T18:42:28.502800 | Kendra | pythondev_help_Kendra_2019-03-13T18:42:28.502800 | 1,552,502,548.5028 | 13,227 |
pythondev | help | In terms of your example, it would be caught (assuming you raised the exception in the try block) because the child exception _is_ its parent in a certain sense. It's just an extension on the parent | 2019-03-13T18:42:34.503100 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:42:34.503100 | 1,552,502,554.5031 | 13,228 |
pythondev | help | If python determines that you didn't want to catch that error, it just lets it get raised as if it wasn't in a try block | 2019-03-13T18:43:39.504200 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:43:39.504200 | 1,552,502,619.5042 | 13,229 |
pythondev | help | in approximation it's like doing `isinstance(exc, SomeException)` | 2019-03-13T18:43:44.504300 | Kendra | pythondev_help_Kendra_2019-03-13T18:43:44.504300 | 1,552,502,624.5043 | 13,230 |
pythondev | help | thanks very much <@Ashley> | 2019-03-13T18:46:22.504900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:46:22.504900 | 1,552,502,782.5049 | 13,231 |
pythondev | help | but this type of i inheritance only works with Exceptions..? | 2019-03-13T18:47:30.505700 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:47:30.505700 | 1,552,502,850.5057 | 13,232 |
pythondev | help | all classes | 2019-03-13T18:47:53.505900 | Kendra | pythondev_help_Kendra_2019-03-13T18:47:53.505900 | 1,552,502,873.5059 | 13,233 |
pythondev | help | ``` class Parent():
pass
class Child(Parent):
message = "hello"
print(Parent().message) ``` | 2019-03-13T18:50:08.508200 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:50:08.508200 | 1,552,503,008.5082 | 13,234 |
pythondev | help | ``` Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/tmp/sessions/7ceb9d9608012ec8/main.py", line 10, in <module>
print(Parent().message)
AttributeError: 'Parent' object has no attribute 'message' ``` | 2019-03-13T18:50:22.508600 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:50:22.508600 | 1,552,503,022.5086 | 13,235 |
pythondev | help | I know this is not the same | 2019-03-13T18:50:37.509200 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:50:37.509200 | 1,552,503,037.5092 | 13,236 |
pythondev | help | As <@Kendra> said, this is all classes in Python. It's just how inheritance works. Python needed a way to linearize inheritance in the event that a class inherits from multiple classes at once, so they came up with MRO. MRO can also be utilized for things like dependency injection, which is fairly advanced, but very useful | 2019-03-13T18:50:52.510000 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:50:52.510000 | 1,552,503,052.51 | 13,237 |
pythondev | help | <@Tasha> changing the child does not change the parent | 2019-03-13T18:51:21.510800 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:51:21.510800 | 1,552,503,081.5108 | 13,238 |
pythondev | help | ok greast | 2019-03-13T18:51:22.510900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:51:22.510900 | 1,552,503,082.5109 | 13,239 |
pythondev | help | That's part of the reason you would inherit | 2019-03-13T18:51:46.511700 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:51:46.511700 | 1,552,503,106.5117 | 13,240 |
pythondev | help | Think of a class called "Fruit" | 2019-03-13T18:51:57.512200 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:51:57.512200 | 1,552,503,117.5122 | 13,241 |
pythondev | help | ok | 2019-03-13T18:52:05.512600 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:52:05.512600 | 1,552,503,125.5126 | 13,242 |
pythondev | help | It has all the info you could have about, and all the things you could do with a generic fruit, but it isn't any fruit in particular | 2019-03-13T18:52:33.513400 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:52:33.513400 | 1,552,503,153.5134 | 13,243 |
pythondev | help | right | 2019-03-13T18:52:43.513700 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:52:43.513700 | 1,552,503,163.5137 | 13,244 |
pythondev | help | Then inherit from it and make an Apple class | 2019-03-13T18:52:53.514200 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:52:53.514200 | 1,552,503,173.5142 | 13,245 |
pythondev | help | That class gets all the things from the Fruit class, but has the opportunity to add or adjust things | 2019-03-13T18:53:25.515100 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:53:25.515100 | 1,552,503,205.5151 | 13,246 |
pythondev | help | ``` class Fruit():
taste = "sweet"
color = "defualt"
class Apple(Fruit):
color = "red" ``` | 2019-03-13T18:53:51.515900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:53:51.515900 | 1,552,503,231.5159 | 13,247 |
pythondev | help | Close | 2019-03-13T18:54:04.516200 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:54:04.516200 | 1,552,503,244.5162 | 13,248 |
pythondev | help | Not all fruits are sweet, but you get the idea | 2019-03-13T18:54:17.516600 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:54:17.516600 | 1,552,503,257.5166 | 13,249 |
pythondev | help | ok | 2019-03-13T18:54:23.516800 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:54:23.516800 | 1,552,503,263.5168 | 13,250 |
pythondev | help | so how do i use Fruit() | 2019-03-13T18:54:30.517100 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:54:30.517100 | 1,552,503,270.5171 | 13,251 |
pythondev | help | and some how call all its child classes | 2019-03-13T18:54:39.517400 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:54:39.517400 | 1,552,503,279.5174 | 13,252 |
pythondev | help | Why would you want to? | 2019-03-13T18:54:56.517800 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:54:56.517800 | 1,552,503,296.5178 | 13,253 |
pythondev | help | except Fruit as err | 2019-03-13T18:55:10.518400 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:55:10.518400 | 1,552,503,310.5184 | 13,254 |
pythondev | help | lol | 2019-03-13T18:55:10.518700 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:55:10.518700 | 1,552,503,310.5187 | 13,255 |
pythondev | help | The parent doesn't usually need to know about its descendents | 2019-03-13T18:55:48.519600 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:55:48.519600 | 1,552,503,348.5196 | 13,256 |
pythondev | help | yes thats right | 2019-03-13T18:55:55.520000 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:55:55.520000 | 1,552,503,355.52 | 13,257 |
pythondev | help | But yes | 2019-03-13T18:55:55.520100 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:55:55.520100 | 1,552,503,355.5201 | 13,258 |
pythondev | help | That's how you would do it for an exception | 2019-03-13T18:56:03.520600 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:56:03.520600 | 1,552,503,363.5206 | 13,259 |
pythondev | help | i havent come across this before in 5 years of developing lol | 2019-03-13T18:56:06.520700 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:56:06.520700 | 1,552,503,366.5207 | 13,260 |
pythondev | help | i have studied IOC container DI | 2019-03-13T18:56:24.521400 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:56:24.521400 | 1,552,503,384.5214 | 13,261 |
pythondev | help | SOLId | 2019-03-13T18:56:26.521600 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:56:26.521600 | 1,552,503,386.5216 | 13,262 |
pythondev | help | You haven't come across inheritance in 5 years of development? | 2019-03-13T18:56:27.521800 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:56:27.521800 | 1,552,503,387.5218 | 13,263 |
pythondev | help | etc | 2019-03-13T18:56:29.522000 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:56:29.522000 | 1,552,503,389.522 | 13,264 |
pythondev | help | functional, erlang | 2019-03-13T18:56:32.522200 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:56:32.522200 | 1,552,503,392.5222 | 13,265 |
pythondev | help | and i dont know how this works lol | 2019-03-13T18:56:41.522400 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:56:41.522400 | 1,552,503,401.5224 | 13,266 |
pythondev | help | i understand inheritance | 2019-03-13T18:56:55.522700 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:56:55.522700 | 1,552,503,415.5227 | 13,267 |
pythondev | help | solid principles | 2019-03-13T18:56:59.522900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:56:59.522900 | 1,552,503,419.5229 | 13,268 |
pythondev | help | etc | 2019-03-13T18:57:00.523100 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:57:00.523100 | 1,552,503,420.5231 | 13,269 |
pythondev | help | but i dont understand how python Exceptions reach down to the child classes | 2019-03-13T18:57:21.523600 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:57:21.523600 | 1,552,503,441.5236 | 13,270 |
pythondev | help | Oh, yeah, they don't | 2019-03-13T18:58:42.526500 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:58:42.526500 | 1,552,503,522.5265 | 13,271 |
pythondev | help | The parent class can be completely unaware that it has descendants | 2019-03-13T18:59:05.528000 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:59:05.528000 | 1,552,503,545.528 | 13,272 |
pythondev | help | I have read that Python's inheritance tree goes upwards untl the base class | 2019-03-13T18:59:29.529900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T18:59:29.529900 | 1,552,503,569.5299 | 13,273 |
pythondev | help | Python in the one checking that the exception that was raised inherits from any of the exception classes you want to catch | 2019-03-13T18:59:39.530400 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T18:59:39.530400 | 1,552,503,579.5304 | 13,274 |
pythondev | help | They don't, and it isn't exception specific. When you had except parent it caught child because child inherited from parent. Python, via the mro, knows that | 2019-03-13T18:59:53.530900 | Clemmie | pythondev_help_Clemmie_2019-03-13T18:59:53.530900 | 1,552,503,593.5309 | 13,275 |
pythondev | help | It is the reverse if what you said really. Child knows it inherits from parent,but parent doesn't necessarily know what inherits from itself | 2019-03-13T19:01:02.534200 | Clemmie | pythondev_help_Clemmie_2019-03-13T19:01:02.534200 | 1,552,503,662.5342 | 13,276 |
pythondev | help | there's "old" style classes, and "new" style classes. I believe in Python 3, old style classes don't exist anymore, but basically, the difference is that in old style classes, they don't extend all the way up to the `object` class, and in new style classes, they do | 2019-03-13T19:01:19.534900 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:01:19.534900 | 1,552,503,679.5349 | 13,277 |
pythondev | help | can you give me an example outside of Exceptions whereby python can expose a classes child /sub classes? | 2019-03-13T19:01:31.535500 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:01:31.535500 | 1,552,503,691.5355 | 13,278 |
pythondev | help | that doesn't really happen often | 2019-03-13T19:01:49.536300 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:01:49.536300 | 1,552,503,709.5363 | 13,279 |
pythondev | help | you'd have to implement that yourself | 2019-03-13T19:01:53.536700 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:01:53.536700 | 1,552,503,713.5367 | 13,280 |
pythondev | help | So, effectively, when you did except parent, child says "I am a type of parent" and is caught | 2019-03-13T19:01:59.537100 | Clemmie | pythondev_help_Clemmie_2019-03-13T19:01:59.537100 | 1,552,503,719.5371 | 13,281 |
pythondev | help | like we said, the parent is unaware of the children | 2019-03-13T19:02:05.537300 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:02:05.537300 | 1,552,503,725.5373 | 13,282 |
pythondev | help | ahh great thanks | 2019-03-13T19:02:28.537900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:02:28.537900 | 1,552,503,748.5379 | 13,283 |
pythondev | help | Using parent/child as the terms also confuses it a bit | 2019-03-13T19:02:36.538300 | Clemmie | pythondev_help_Clemmie_2019-03-13T19:02:36.538300 | 1,552,503,756.5383 | 13,284 |
pythondev | help | yeah | 2019-03-13T19:02:44.538600 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:02:44.538600 | 1,552,503,764.5386 | 13,285 |
pythondev | help | super / sub classes | 2019-03-13T19:03:11.539900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:03:11.539900 | 1,552,503,791.5399 | 13,286 |
pythondev | help | <@Tasha> make a class that inherits from a few other classes, and then call `__mro__` on it (I think that's the attribute) | 2019-03-13T19:03:15.540400 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:03:15.540400 | 1,552,503,795.5404 | 13,287 |
pythondev | help | ok cool! | 2019-03-13T19:03:28.541000 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:03:28.541000 | 1,552,503,808.541 | 13,288 |
pythondev | help | that might clear it up a bit | 2019-03-13T19:03:29.541300 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:03:29.541300 | 1,552,503,809.5413 | 13,289 |
pythondev | help | Like apple knows it is a fruit, and will respond as such, but fruit doesn't need to know what fruits there are | 2019-03-13T19:03:34.541600 | Clemmie | pythondev_help_Clemmie_2019-03-13T19:03:34.541600 | 1,552,503,814.5416 | 13,290 |
pythondev | help | thats it! | 2019-03-13T19:03:45.541900 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:03:45.541900 | 1,552,503,825.5419 | 13,291 |
pythondev | help | haha now i understand | 2019-03-13T19:03:49.542100 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:03:49.542100 | 1,552,503,829.5421 | 13,292 |
pythondev | help | So python must be looking at any class that extends from Exception , right down the tree of subclasses? | 2019-03-13T19:04:40.543800 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:04:40.543800 | 1,552,503,880.5438 | 13,293 |
pythondev | help | yep. Python basically sees you're trying to catch `Fruit`, and goes `if Fruit in Apple.__mro__: # actually catch it` | 2019-03-13T19:04:41.543900 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:04:41.543900 | 1,552,503,881.5439 | 13,294 |
pythondev | help | oh, no it doesn't really care about all classes that extend from exception | 2019-03-13T19:05:10.544600 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:05:10.544600 | 1,552,503,910.5446 | 13,295 |
pythondev | help | it pretty much does `if Fruit in Apple.__mro__: # actually catch it` | 2019-03-13T19:05:33.545200 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:05:33.545200 | 1,552,503,933.5452 | 13,296 |
pythondev | help | ahh so its looks here: SubClassException(Exception) < -------- here | 2019-03-13T19:05:40.545600 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:05:40.545600 | 1,552,503,940.5456 | 13,297 |
pythondev | help | because it saw `catch Fruit` | 2019-03-13T19:05:44.545700 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:05:44.545700 | 1,552,503,944.5457 | 13,298 |
pythondev | help | kind of | 2019-03-13T19:05:55.545900 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:05:55.545900 | 1,552,503,955.5459 | 13,299 |
pythondev | help | MRO is a lot more complex than what's listed in there | 2019-03-13T19:06:06.546200 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:06:06.546200 | 1,552,503,966.5462 | 13,300 |
pythondev | help | ok | 2019-03-13T19:06:07.546400 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:06:07.546400 | 1,552,503,967.5464 | 13,301 |
pythondev | help | is this in Java? | 2019-03-13T19:06:17.546800 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:06:17.546800 | 1,552,503,977.5468 | 13,302 |
pythondev | help | watch Super Considered Super, and it should explain it pretty well | 2019-03-13T19:06:34.547600 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:06:34.547600 | 1,552,503,994.5476 | 13,303 |
pythondev | help | Java doesn't have this | 2019-03-13T19:06:40.548000 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:06:40.548000 | 1,552,504,000.548 | 13,304 |
pythondev | help | Java actually has what I think is called a "death triangle of inheritance" | 2019-03-13T19:06:56.548900 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:06:56.548900 | 1,552,504,016.5489 | 13,305 |
pythondev | help | or something like that | 2019-03-13T19:07:08.549400 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:07:08.549400 | 1,552,504,028.5494 | 13,306 |
pythondev | help | I wondered how my boss new how this works, he isnt great at all at Python, he comes from Java/ ruby | 2019-03-13T19:07:23.550000 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:07:23.550000 | 1,552,504,043.55 | 13,307 |
pythondev | help | basically, multiple inheritance can go awry very quickly in Java | 2019-03-13T19:07:27.550400 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:07:27.550400 | 1,552,504,047.5504 | 13,308 |
pythondev | help | Well, does java have what exactly? | 2019-03-13T19:07:44.550800 | Clemmie | pythondev_help_Clemmie_2019-03-13T19:07:44.550800 | 1,552,504,064.5508 | 13,309 |
pythondev | help | Python avoids that problem with MRO | 2019-03-13T19:07:46.550900 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:07:46.550900 | 1,552,504,066.5509 | 13,310 |
pythondev | help | I just wondered how he knew straight away i can just use our custom parent exception class and all the sub classes would be caught as well | 2019-03-13T19:08:35.551800 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:08:35.551800 | 1,552,504,115.5518 | 13,311 |
pythondev | help | its really a head teaser | 2019-03-13T19:08:53.552000 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:08:53.552000 | 1,552,504,133.552 | 13,312 |
pythondev | help | brain teaser, rather lol | 2019-03-13T19:09:00.552300 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:09:00.552300 | 1,552,504,140.5523 | 13,313 |
pythondev | help | but thanks guys | 2019-03-13T19:09:18.552500 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:09:18.552500 | 1,552,504,158.5525 | 13,314 |
pythondev | help | explained very well | 2019-03-13T19:09:22.552700 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:09:22.552700 | 1,552,504,162.5527 | 13,315 |
pythondev | help | im going to quiz him tomorrow on the technicals of this | 2019-03-13T19:09:33.553000 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:09:33.553000 | 1,552,504,173.553 | 13,316 |
pythondev | help | ah found it | 2019-03-13T19:09:41.553400 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:09:41.553400 | 1,552,504,181.5534 | 13,317 |
pythondev | help | im sure he would have no idea or MRO | 2019-03-13T19:09:42.553500 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:09:42.553500 | 1,552,504,182.5535 | 13,318 |
pythondev | help | Java has what's called the "deadly diamond of death" (I'm not making that up) | 2019-03-13T19:10:02.554100 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-03-13T19:10:02.554100 | 1,552,504,202.5541 | 13,319 |
pythondev | help | ]haha | 2019-03-13T19:10:16.554300 | Tasha | pythondev_help_Tasha_2019-03-13T19:10:16.554300 | 1,552,504,216.5543 | 13,320 |
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