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pythondev | help | Anyways, will see options | 2019-04-19T08:02:21.371300 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:02:21.371300 | 1,555,660,941.3713 | 19,421 |
pythondev | help | requests should do the job | 2019-04-19T08:02:26.371600 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:02:26.371600 | 1,555,660,946.3716 | 19,422 |
pythondev | help | <@Alvina> So... <https://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/python_dictionary.htm> <- probs could be modified to fit your needs | 2019-04-19T08:02:48.372600 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:02:48.372600 | 1,555,660,968.3726 | 19,423 |
pythondev | help | Nope, PhantomJS development is suspended indefinitely <https://github.com/ariya/phantomjs/issues/15344> | 2019-04-19T08:02:52.373100 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:02:52.373100 | 1,555,660,972.3731 | 19,424 |
pythondev | help | Doesn't mean hobbyists with no life can improve it | 2019-04-19T08:03:04.373800 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:03:04.373800 | 1,555,660,984.3738 | 19,425 |
pythondev | help | xD | 2019-04-19T08:03:08.374100 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:03:08.374100 | 1,555,660,988.3741 | 19,426 |
pythondev | help | you can still push buttons and all of that stuff? I know i am navigating through pages and people have some weird date selection popups which threw me off when I tried bs4 or whatever (this is years ago) | 2019-04-19T08:03:14.374300 | Alvina | pythondev_help_Alvina_2019-04-19T08:03:14.374300 | 1,555,660,994.3743 | 19,427 |
pythondev | help | Very true | 2019-04-19T08:03:17.374500 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:03:17.374500 | 1,555,660,997.3745 | 19,428 |
pythondev | help | However, it may not be worth it, since chromium is open source and now has a headless mode | 2019-04-19T08:03:37.375500 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:03:37.375500 | 1,555,661,017.3755 | 19,429 |
pythondev | help | I have been going through some very bad Perl code for a tool and well... been thinking of modifying it and make it more modern. | 2019-04-19T08:03:44.375800 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:03:44.375800 | 1,555,661,024.3758 | 19,430 |
pythondev | help | but whatever... time to get going | 2019-04-19T08:03:58.376400 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:03:58.376400 | 1,555,661,038.3764 | 19,431 |
pythondev | help | Let's see how many swear words I say over python | 2019-04-19T08:04:07.376700 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:04:07.376700 | 1,555,661,047.3767 | 19,432 |
pythondev | help | <@Alvina> with bs4, you can't really click buttons. It's just an XML parser that was designed with HTML in mind and there's no JS engine involved, but IIRC it knows how to emulate certain behavior should you want to click certain buttons. It's pretty simple to do though if you know how HTML forms work (it boils down to a web request to the server at the designated endpoint with the values from the form in a certain format) | 2019-04-19T08:07:10.380800 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:07:10.380800 | 1,555,661,230.3808 | 19,433 |
pythondev | help | buttons are in html | 2019-04-19T08:07:28.381200 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:07:28.381200 | 1,555,661,248.3812 | 19,434 |
pythondev | help | Or forms... which is still html | 2019-04-19T08:07:41.381700 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:07:41.381700 | 1,555,661,261.3817 | 19,435 |
pythondev | help | Yeah, but bs4 can't "click" them | 2019-04-19T08:07:46.381900 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:07:46.381900 | 1,555,661,266.3819 | 19,436 |
pythondev | help | As in there's no click event | 2019-04-19T08:07:52.382200 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:07:52.382200 | 1,555,661,272.3822 | 19,437 |
pythondev | help | not really click them | 2019-04-19T08:07:57.382500 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:07:57.382500 | 1,555,661,277.3825 | 19,438 |
pythondev | help | xD | 2019-04-19T08:08:00.382900 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:08:00.382900 | 1,555,661,280.3829 | 19,439 |
pythondev | help | selenium was a bit easier to wrap my head around because it was literally the steps I would do manually | 2019-04-19T08:08:33.384800 | Alvina | pythondev_help_Alvina_2019-04-19T08:08:33.384800 | 1,555,661,313.3848 | 19,440 |
pythondev | help | I can't remember exactly how buttons work, but don't they have a link coded into them? | 2019-04-19T08:08:34.385000 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:08:34.385000 | 1,555,661,314.385 | 19,441 |
pythondev | help | But it can try to look at what sort of requests that would send to the server if it's a standard form and no JS trickery is going on, and it might be able to send a request like it | 2019-04-19T08:08:41.385500 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:08:41.385500 | 1,555,661,321.3855 | 19,442 |
pythondev | help | Not exactly | 2019-04-19T08:08:50.385900 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:08:50.385900 | 1,555,661,330.3859 | 19,443 |
pythondev | help | even headless was easy to set up with some intermediate screenshots and trial and error | 2019-04-19T08:08:52.386100 | Alvina | pythondev_help_Alvina_2019-04-19T08:08:52.386100 | 1,555,661,332.3861 | 19,444 |
pythondev | help | JS can be blocked? | 2019-04-19T08:08:52.386200 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:08:52.386200 | 1,555,661,332.3862 | 19,445 |
pythondev | help | I know on FF... you can disable JS | 2019-04-19T08:09:10.387200 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:09:10.387200 | 1,555,661,350.3872 | 19,446 |
pythondev | help | and others | 2019-04-19T08:09:13.387700 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:09:13.387700 | 1,555,661,353.3877 | 19,447 |
pythondev | help | yeah, some of our sites are custom company made ones with a ton of javascript and mess | 2019-04-19T08:09:18.388300 | Alvina | pythondev_help_Alvina_2019-04-19T08:09:18.388300 | 1,555,661,358.3883 | 19,448 |
pythondev | help | Not a web-dev | 2019-04-19T08:09:22.388600 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:09:22.388600 | 1,555,661,362.3886 | 19,449 |
pythondev | help | lol | 2019-04-19T08:09:23.388900 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:09:23.388900 | 1,555,661,363.3889 | 19,450 |
pythondev | help | so I am not pulling data from standard nice websites, most of the time | 2019-04-19T08:09:33.389500 | Alvina | pythondev_help_Alvina_2019-04-19T08:09:33.389500 | 1,555,661,373.3895 | 19,451 |
pythondev | help | <@Alvina> tell them to fix their code | 2019-04-19T08:09:33.389600 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:09:33.389600 | 1,555,661,373.3896 | 19,452 |
pythondev | help | or markup language | 2019-04-19T08:09:38.389900 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:09:38.389900 | 1,555,661,378.3899 | 19,453 |
pythondev | help | If they're not part of a form, then bs4 can't do anything with them because that would require the ability to run JS to trigger the resulting behavior | 2019-04-19T08:09:47.390600 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:09:47.390600 | 1,555,661,387.3906 | 19,454 |
pythondev | help | Ight... | 2019-04-19T08:09:52.391200 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:09:52.391200 | 1,555,661,392.3912 | 19,455 |
pythondev | help | haha - if these people are still with the company and if anyone actually has any idea what is going on, I would be amazed | 2019-04-19T08:09:55.391600 | Alvina | pythondev_help_Alvina_2019-04-19T08:09:55.391600 | 1,555,661,395.3916 | 19,456 |
pythondev | help | Most in CS (no offense) are just bad at it | 2019-04-19T08:10:10.392600 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:10:10.392600 | 1,555,661,410.3926 | 19,457 |
pythondev | help | we have 7 different versions of our attendance website across the globe, each geo is different | 2019-04-19T08:10:11.392800 | Alvina | pythondev_help_Alvina_2019-04-19T08:10:11.392800 | 1,555,661,411.3928 | 19,458 |
pythondev | help | CS requires a certain wired brain | 2019-04-19T08:10:16.393000 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:10:16.393000 | 1,555,661,416.393 | 19,459 |
pythondev | help | If they're part of a form, they'd usually have a type like `submit`, which would then have the form submit to the server | 2019-04-19T08:10:23.393300 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:10:23.393300 | 1,555,661,423.3933 | 19,460 |
pythondev | help | Yeah... that is what I was trying to say | 2019-04-19T08:10:30.393700 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:10:30.393700 | 1,555,661,430.3937 | 19,461 |
pythondev | help | The form is what has the link and request method knowledge | 2019-04-19T08:10:35.394100 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:10:35.394100 | 1,555,661,435.3941 | 19,462 |
pythondev | help | pretty much, you can fill the form out... send a post request and than see what response is returned... | 2019-04-19T08:10:48.394500 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:10:48.394500 | 1,555,661,448.3945 | 19,463 |
pythondev | help | Success is 200 | 2019-04-19T08:10:53.394900 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:10:53.394900 | 1,555,661,453.3949 | 19,464 |
pythondev | help | Yep | 2019-04-19T08:10:59.395100 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:10:59.395100 | 1,555,661,459.3951 | 19,465 |
pythondev | help | Yeah... remember messing around with Burp and cURL | 2019-04-19T08:11:09.395400 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:11:09.395400 | 1,555,661,469.3954 | 19,466 |
pythondev | help | Also, <@Alvina> that's exactly what selenium/WebDriver is meant for; emulating user interactions | 2019-04-19T08:12:33.396200 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:12:33.396200 | 1,555,661,553.3962 | 19,467 |
pythondev | help | Sigh... already issues in Pycharm | 2019-04-19T08:12:39.396400 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:12:39.396400 | 1,555,661,559.3964 | 19,468 |
pythondev | help | Vs code has a good python plugin. Very customizable | 2019-04-19T08:13:11.397300 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:13:11.397300 | 1,555,661,591.3973 | 19,469 |
pythondev | help | Don't mention VS to me... just saying... | 2019-04-19T08:13:38.397600 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:13:38.397600 | 1,555,661,618.3976 | 19,470 |
pythondev | help | I run Linux | 2019-04-19T08:13:43.397800 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:13:43.397800 | 1,555,661,623.3978 | 19,471 |
pythondev | help | So yeah... | 2019-04-19T08:13:45.398000 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:13:45.398000 | 1,555,661,625.398 | 19,472 |
pythondev | help | VSC++ isn't bad though | 2019-04-19T08:13:52.398300 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:13:52.398300 | 1,555,661,632.3983 | 19,473 |
pythondev | help | Once you figure out WinAPI and WinINet | 2019-04-19T08:14:01.398700 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:14:01.398700 | 1,555,661,641.3987 | 19,474 |
pythondev | help | Vscode runs great on Linux. MS actually just created an official snap package for it | 2019-04-19T08:14:35.399600 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:14:35.399600 | 1,555,661,675.3996 | 19,475 |
pythondev | help | I know | 2019-04-19T08:14:41.399800 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:14:41.399800 | 1,555,661,681.3998 | 19,476 |
pythondev | help | I just don't like MS that much | 2019-04-19T08:14:45.400000 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:14:45.400000 | 1,555,661,685.4 | 19,477 |
pythondev | help | They are doing better | 2019-04-19T08:14:48.400200 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:14:48.400200 | 1,555,661,688.4002 | 19,478 |
pythondev | help | Probs should move this conversation to random so the admins don't complain | 2019-04-19T08:15:05.401000 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:15:05.401000 | 1,555,661,705.401 | 19,479 |
pythondev | help | They're really kissing ass to the Linux/Dev commuting lately | 2019-04-19T08:15:06.401100 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:15:06.401100 | 1,555,661,706.4011 | 19,480 |
pythondev | help | Oh they are cuz Linux is the future | 2019-04-19T08:15:15.401400 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:15:15.401400 | 1,555,661,715.4014 | 19,481 |
pythondev | help | They will need to adapt or go bankrupt | 2019-04-19T08:15:27.401700 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T08:15:27.401700 | 1,555,661,727.4017 | 19,482 |
pythondev | help | Yeah, let's take it to random | 2019-04-19T08:15:37.402000 | Ashley | pythondev_help_Ashley_2019-04-19T08:15:37.402000 | 1,555,661,737.402 | 19,483 |
pythondev | help | `__kwdefaults__` is `A dict containing defaults for keyword-only parameters.` <https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3102/> | 2019-04-19T09:02:33.403000 | Susan | pythondev_help_Susan_2019-04-19T09:02:33.403000 | 1,555,664,553.403 | 19,484 |
pythondev | help | Just took a peek at dogpile and the data it returns via burp... strange... it uses multiple different apis from like bing and such. | 2019-04-19T09:05:03.404100 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:05:03.404100 | 1,555,664,703.4041 | 19,485 |
pythondev | help | I've gotta do some vetting for API testing frameworks. My initial thought is to just go with selenium and mock data, anyone have any other suggestions? | 2019-04-19T09:11:08.405900 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:11:08.405900 | 1,555,665,068.4059 | 19,486 |
pythondev | help | <@Claudine> what do you mean by api testing? | 2019-04-19T09:16:08.406400 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:16:08.406400 | 1,555,665,368.4064 | 19,487 |
pythondev | help | Load testing? | 2019-04-19T09:16:21.406800 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:16:21.406800 | 1,555,665,381.4068 | 19,488 |
pythondev | help | REST JSON? | 2019-04-19T09:16:35.407500 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:16:35.407500 | 1,555,665,395.4075 | 19,489 |
pythondev | help | oh no like automatic unit testing and stuff | 2019-04-19T09:16:37.407700 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:16:37.407700 | 1,555,665,397.4077 | 19,490 |
pythondev | help | E2e external tests? | 2019-04-19T09:16:38.408000 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:16:38.408000 | 1,555,665,398.408 | 19,491 |
pythondev | help | to make sure it's working | 2019-04-19T09:16:43.408200 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:16:43.408200 | 1,555,665,403.4082 | 19,492 |
pythondev | help | Why selenium? | 2019-04-19T09:16:43.408300 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:16:43.408300 | 1,555,665,403.4083 | 19,493 |
pythondev | help | im familiar with it, it can hit endpoints | 2019-04-19T09:17:01.408800 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:17:01.408800 | 1,555,665,421.4088 | 19,494 |
pythondev | help | coupled with a DB connection we can validate the data it creates on POST/PUTs | 2019-04-19T09:17:23.409500 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:17:23.409500 | 1,555,665,443.4095 | 19,495 |
pythondev | help | So integration tests | 2019-04-19T09:18:20.410700 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:18:20.410700 | 1,555,665,500.4107 | 19,496 |
pythondev | help | yea | 2019-04-19T09:18:24.411000 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:18:24.411000 | 1,555,665,504.411 | 19,497 |
pythondev | help | Is selenium the only lib/module that you understand? | 2019-04-19T09:18:26.411100 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:18:26.411100 | 1,555,665,506.4111 | 19,498 |
pythondev | help | There are prolly other libs that can be imported that do a more efficient job | 2019-04-19T09:18:39.411700 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:18:39.411700 | 1,555,665,519.4117 | 19,499 |
pythondev | help | i can pick up anything fairly easy, i believe | 2019-04-19T09:18:44.412100 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:18:44.412100 | 1,555,665,524.4121 | 19,500 |
pythondev | help | If this is an api, it's returning json or xml, right? | 2019-04-19T09:18:53.412600 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:18:53.412600 | 1,555,665,533.4126 | 19,501 |
pythondev | help | Probs a REST JSON API | 2019-04-19T09:19:05.413300 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:19:05.413300 | 1,555,665,545.4133 | 19,502 |
pythondev | help | yes, 99% json with 1 endpoint that returns XML | 2019-04-19T09:19:08.413500 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:19:08.413500 | 1,555,665,548.4135 | 19,503 |
pythondev | help | Why not just use requests and hit the endpoints and compare with what you expect? | 2019-04-19T09:19:23.414000 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:19:23.414000 | 1,555,665,563.414 | 19,504 |
pythondev | help | Was thinking that as well <@Hiroko> | 2019-04-19T09:19:44.414800 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:19:44.414800 | 1,555,665,584.4148 | 19,505 |
pythondev | help | Like, selenium is fine for certain things | 2019-04-19T09:19:54.415100 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:19:54.415100 | 1,555,665,594.4151 | 19,506 |
pythondev | help | But is bloated a bit | 2019-04-19T09:19:58.415300 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:19:58.415300 | 1,555,665,598.4153 | 19,507 |
pythondev | help | Most likely all you have to do is check the results that is returned so selenium is a bit much? | 2019-04-19T09:20:14.416100 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:20:14.416100 | 1,555,665,614.4161 | 19,508 |
pythondev | help | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 2019-04-19T09:20:19.416200 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:20:19.416200 | 1,555,665,619.4162 | 19,509 |
pythondev | help | agreed selenium is not as fast as requests for this situation. there is a possibility that this API will be extended far past the current use case in future | 2019-04-19T09:20:32.417000 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:20:32.417000 | 1,555,665,632.417 | 19,510 |
pythondev | help | Selenium is good when you need to interact with a browser without needing a display | 2019-04-19T09:20:42.417600 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:20:42.417600 | 1,555,665,642.4176 | 19,511 |
pythondev | help | so i as thinking a selenium based test suite would be extensible in that case | 2019-04-19T09:20:45.417800 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:20:45.417800 | 1,555,665,645.4178 | 19,512 |
pythondev | help | And sloooow | 2019-04-19T09:20:51.418200 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:20:51.418200 | 1,555,665,651.4182 | 19,513 |
pythondev | help | very slow | 2019-04-19T09:20:55.418400 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:20:55.418400 | 1,555,665,655.4184 | 19,514 |
pythondev | help | Yeah... so selenium is a bad idea for the future if it might get bigger (?) | 2019-04-19T09:20:55.418500 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:20:55.418500 | 1,555,665,655.4185 | 19,515 |
pythondev | help | :/ | 2019-04-19T09:21:05.419000 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:21:05.419000 | 1,555,665,665.419 | 19,516 |
pythondev | help | In a business and such... faster is better | 2019-04-19T09:21:16.419800 | Nieves | pythondev_help_Nieves_2019-04-19T09:21:16.419800 | 1,555,665,676.4198 | 19,517 |
pythondev | help | Why not stick to current api responses? | 2019-04-19T09:21:21.420200 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:21:21.420200 | 1,555,665,681.4202 | 19,518 |
pythondev | help | well i might need to do some DOM/browser stuff in the future, suppose i could always use beautifulSoup for that | 2019-04-19T09:21:29.420700 | Claudine | pythondev_help_Claudine_2019-04-19T09:21:29.420700 | 1,555,665,689.4207 | 19,519 |
pythondev | help | What's 'future' mean here in your timeline? | 2019-04-19T09:22:04.421700 | Hiroko | pythondev_help_Hiroko_2019-04-19T09:22:04.421700 | 1,555,665,724.4217 | 19,520 |
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