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elmlang | general | I am very interested in knowing more | 2019-02-19T15:43:56.793500 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | Sounds horrible | 2019-02-19T15:44:01.793900 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | I am reopening the Elm discussion in the forum | 2019-02-19T15:44:19.794500 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | But the whole `<body>` control is new to 0.19, and only `Browser.application`. So maybe Evan is not conscious yet of the issues raised. It does not look good from the various reports. | 2019-02-19T15:44:47.794900 | Velia |
elmlang | general | I recall bringing it up and being dismissed months ago. Constructively, I’d like to encourage the folks who shepherd that feedback to be a little more curious, I’m unsure how to achieve that | 2019-02-19T15:45:49.796000 | Simon |
elmlang | general | <https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/fullscreen-elm-app-in-0-19-childnode-issue-reopened/3174> | 2019-02-19T15:46:33.796200 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | original filing if interested: <https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/browser-application-doesnt-work-with-popular-analytics-approaches/2659/6> | 2019-02-19T15:47:17.796600 | Simon |
elmlang | general | related conversation in Slack lost to sands of time of course :slightly_smiling_face: | 2019-02-19T15:47:42.796900 | Simon |
elmlang | general | Like always | 2019-02-19T15:48:37.797100 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | <@Simon> You said is was dismissed? You remember why? | 2019-02-19T15:49:32.798100 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | Emotional memory says the vibe was not sacrificing Elm’s correctness for broader ecosystem impurity | 2019-02-19T15:50:25.798800 | Simon |
elmlang | general | If you think this is the worst hack we’ve done, ask me about my compiler hackers :wink: | 2019-02-19T15:50:49.799300 | Simon |
elmlang | general | <@Reuben> I'm building an interface for this language: <https://timothyatkinson.github.io/gettingstarted.html> so I just need a simple editor that I can query the state of to "compile" my program, and also control the state of to apply a few invariants to the rules, and produce output graphs | 2019-02-19T16:10:59.799400 | Vashti |
elmlang | general | Haha, yep. Not a coincedence either. | 2019-02-19T16:14:36.799700 | Ashton |
elmlang | general | I see. I was suspecting that :wink: | 2019-02-19T16:17:19.799900 | Velia |
elmlang | general | That is problematic view imo. If Elm is to be used in real applications like ours, we have to face the facts and balance purity and pragmatism. This effectively makes any Elm applications unusable by a large segment of users | 2019-02-19T16:25:55.802300 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | You can work around it easily enough I think? | 2019-02-19T16:45:05.802700 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | You need to either add a wrapper div, or use element with an external wrapper div. | 2019-02-19T16:45:24.803200 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | <@Agustin>That’s just it. You can’t. Fullscreen will always use the entire body element in 0.19. If you embed you app in a wrapper you cannot control navigation, which means you cannot to a SPA like ours | 2019-02-19T16:47:11.804700 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | Ah so just the first option applies then | 2019-02-19T16:48:12.805000 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | You can add the wrapper div inside your elm app | 2019-02-19T16:48:21.805300 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | I believe | 2019-02-19T16:49:36.805900 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | The virtual dom then doesn’t get out of sync and it doesn’t blow up | 2019-02-19T16:49:50.806500 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | <@Edwin> it won’t work, because if another JS package has written to Body, elm will overwrite it once it “boots” | 2019-02-19T16:49:56.806900 | Simon |
elmlang | general | Similar to how the “web components” hack works | 2019-02-19T16:49:59.807000 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | so it’s also a bit of a timing issue | 2019-02-19T16:50:07.807300 | Simon |
elmlang | general | Jon you have no control of the external scripts or extensions. I cannot wrap them if that is what you are suggesting. I am not sure how web components fit in here. | 2019-02-19T16:51:24.809400 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | (as an aside, we make extensive use of web components elsewhere and are fond of the technique; we use it for avatar img fallbacks, algolia-based search, ChartJS fully implemented in Elm types but rendered via web component etc) | 2019-02-19T16:51:26.809600 | Simon |
elmlang | general | We use webcomponents for Code Mirror and Charting | 2019-02-19T16:51:53.810000 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | <@Edwin> you can control navigation using `element`, here's a tutorial <https://github.com/elm/browser/blob/1.0.0/notes/navigation-in-elements.md> , it's not as pretty but it's possible | 2019-02-19T17:09:00.812000 | Shondra |
elmlang | general | Ludat thanks for the link, and sure, but we have a huge app that is fully Elm. The page starts with (Many companies introduce Elm gradually.). This is how we did in 0.18, and would prefer hacking the resulting Js like <@Simon> compared to this - which is a complete departure from the new navigation api. | 2019-02-19T17:12:52.814200 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | <@Kathlyn> web components work because you have an element created by elm, and they manipulate the insides, the vdom is happy. | 2019-02-19T17:28:24.816100 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | I’m suggesting a work around whereby you add an elmement at the top of the vdom, so it stays happy when other elements are added alongside it | 2019-02-19T17:28:50.816700 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | AFAIK its the getting out of sync that makes it unhappy | 2019-02-19T17:29:09.817100 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | You are welcome to ignore me though, just trying to help :slightly_smiling_face: | 2019-02-19T17:29:34.817400 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | Sorry that sounded passive aggressive, what I mean is, I’m trying to help, but if I’m not thats ok :slightly_smiling_face: | 2019-02-19T17:30:16.818500 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | I did not mean to sound ungrateful. :smile: I just genuinely do not see how it would help. And how adding more items (through the vdom would help) | 2019-02-19T17:31:02.819400 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | It’s a trick for sure | 2019-02-19T17:31:43.820900 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | Wrapping stuff in a div is only going to protect against stuff getting added to the bottom of the `<body>` right? It wont protect from things getting added to the top. | 2019-02-19T17:31:43.821000 | Ashton |
elmlang | general | Thats my suspicion. It would be cool to confirm this. | 2019-02-19T17:32:05.821600 | Ashton |
elmlang | general | (if you render just `<body><div>stuff</div></body>` The vdom is going to look for the first element, find it, and be happy, it wont care about any sibling elements since it doesnt believe they exist, but, if something else is first, it will find the something else, which it wont expect, and subsequently crash). | 2019-02-19T17:33:30.823100 | Ashton |
elmlang | general | yes thats my belief | 2019-02-19T17:34:17.823400 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | born out of experience with web components | 2019-02-19T17:34:25.823700 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | the vdom cares about what it knows about, and ignores that it doesnt, but if the “streams cross” it gets mad | 2019-02-19T17:34:55.824200 | Agustin |
elmlang | general | ```
<body>
<div id="root">ELM APP STUFF HERE</div>
<div id="injected-extension">ELEMENT INJECTED BY EXTENSION</div>
</body>
```
Where do web components come into this picture? | 2019-02-19T17:36:22.824400 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | This is correct. But take something like google tag manager, it will add things at the start of the body. Then you are screwed. | 2019-02-19T17:42:46.825600 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | this is weird question but does this js port code look weird to you ? | 2019-02-19T17:43:08.825900 | Stacee |
elmlang | general | context: I am working with a pretty gigantic SPA, and with the elm debugger not working so I am debugging things randomly to understand what is going on | 2019-02-19T17:44:25.827300 | Stacee |
elmlang | general | the problem: I can’t get the onEventSteam port to fire again if I reload the page but if I get there by being routed (i.e.e elm changing the url) then it works :confused: | 2019-02-19T17:45:21.829300 | Stacee |
elmlang | general | Looks fine. The only thing is you are sending error and event directly to Elm. Do you have full control over the content of those and are they the same format? | 2019-02-19T17:45:22.829400 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | <@Kathlyn> thanks for the anwer! Jes the are Values and I just do a ghetto try two decoders one for the data and one for the error and return a custom type :smile: | 2019-02-19T17:46:27.830600 | Stacee |
elmlang | general | Yes | 2019-02-19T17:47:06.830700 | Ashton |
elmlang | general | For completion I am adding my solution to the browser extension problem above. It is a dirty hack as suggested by <@Simon>. But it does exactly what we need, nests the fullscreen app one level down from body. It is a webpack loader that transforms the resulting js source. Use at your own peril! And lets pray for the elm gods to find this despicable enough to merit a patch. | 2019-02-19T18:33:13.834800 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | ```
const findBodySnippet = "var bodyNode = _VirtualDom_doc.body;"
const findRootDivSnippet = 'var bodyNode = _VirtualDom_doc.getElementById("root");'
const createBodyElementSnippet = "var nextNode = _VirtualDom_node('body')";
const createDivElementSnippet = "var nextNode = _VirtualDom_node('div')";
module.exports = function(source) {
return (
source
.replace(findBodySnippet, findRootDivSnippet)
.replace(createBodyElementSnippet, createDivElementSnippet)
);
}
``` | 2019-02-19T18:33:28.835000 | Kathlyn |
elmlang | general | We went with `element` and use navigation through ports. It's pretty easy to set up :shrug: | 2019-02-20T02:54:51.836500 | Huong |
elmlang | general | Well, it seems to me that Kite can be useful to you | 2019-02-20T03:22:06.836700 | Reuben |
elmlang | general | I plan to add the feature “Importing/Exporting .DOT files”: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_(graph_description_language)> | 2019-02-20T03:26:24.836900 | Reuben |
elmlang | general | Will it be enough for your purposes? | 2019-02-20T03:26:50.837200 | Reuben |
elmlang | general | Your compiler can export graphs in DOT format. Then, Kite can import them and visualize. | 2019-02-20T03:28:59.837400 | Reuben |
elmlang | general | If Alex Korban is here: thank you so much for your blog post on combining tasks, huge eye opener for me. Very clear explanation, just concise enough so it stays understandable, but not to much so it becomes to hard to reuse. Perfect job :100: | 2019-02-20T03:35:27.840500 | Krista |
elmlang | general | I’m getting this error when trying to install packages in Elm 0.18. It’s been like this for the last few hours.
```
Error: The following HTTP request failed.
<http://package.elm-lang.org/all-packages?elm-package-version=0.18>
FailedConnectionException2 "<http://package.elm-lang.org|package.elm-lang.org>" 80 False connect: does not exist (Host is down)
```
Any ideas? Are there any workarounds? Strangely when I put that url in a web browser, it has no problem downloading some json data. | 2019-02-20T03:38:46.842000 | Rheba |
elmlang | general | It’s looking like it might be a firewall issue. | 2019-02-20T03:40:44.842400 | Rheba |
elmlang | general | That was it! I was using Little Snitch, which was blocking it for some reason. I have no idea why it _suddenly_ started blocking the server, but I have a fix, yay! | 2019-02-20T03:42:17.843300 | Rheba |
elmlang | general | <@Sari> ping. | 2019-02-20T03:44:09.843400 | Timika |
elmlang | general | hi guys, I'm trying to compile the `elm/compiler` version that's on master | 2019-02-20T06:45:49.844500 | Sherill |
elmlang | general | and i'm running into this issue:
```
Notice: installing into a sandbox located at /elm/.cabal-sandbox
Configuring elm-0.19.0...
Building elm-0.19.0...
Failed to install elm-0.19.0
Build log ( /elm/.cabal-sandbox/logs/ghc-8.2.2/elm-0.19.0-5MMS6LtL8sV8JLlYZKbYv2.log ):
cabal: Entering directory '.'
Configuring elm-0.19.0...
Preprocessing executable 'elm' for elm-0.19.0..
cabal: can't find source for Elm/Project in compiler/src, builder/src,
terminal/src, dist/dist-sandbox-3e8f4b96/build/elm/autogen,
dist/dist-sandbox-3e8f4b96/build/global-autogen
cabal: Leaving directory '.'
cabal: Error: some packages failed to install:
elm-0.19.0-5MMS6LtL8sV8JLlYZKbYv2 failed during the building phase. The
exception was:
ExitFailure 1
``` | 2019-02-20T06:46:28.845100 | Sherill |
elmlang | general | i'm using GHC 8.2.2 and cabal 2.2.0.0 | 2019-02-20T06:47:00.845600 | Sherill |
elmlang | general | unfortunately it seems I can't run build the project at all using stack, since I'm not able to generate a valid `stack.yml` | 2019-02-20T06:47:26.846200 | Sherill |
elmlang | general | Talk on a similar-to-Elm approach to making cross platform mobile apps: <https://youtu.be/DTzfe98pFvs?list=WL&t=1160> (first 18 minutes or so introduces Elm Architecture so can be skipped!) | 2019-02-20T07:00:58.847300 | Leigha |
elmlang | general | <@Sherill> `stack init` works pretty well here. | 2019-02-20T07:12:57.847800 | Niesha |
elmlang | general | That sounds ideal, thanks very much! (One of the main aims of this editor is to use the DOT format, as opposed to the internal gp2 graph format, to aid portability) | 2019-02-20T07:20:28.847900 | Vashti |
elmlang | general | Do you think I'd be able to do it in the other direction? (User edits graphs in kite, and I pass these to the compiler as gp2 rule graphs) | 2019-02-20T07:21:13.848100 | Vashti |
elmlang | general | How is a function named that has this signature? `List (M a) -> M (List a)` :thinking_face: | 2019-02-20T08:09:57.000900 | Kizzie |
elmlang | general | `sequence`, or maybe `combine` | 2019-02-20T08:14:27.001300 | Jin |
elmlang | general | thanks, i think sequence fits here :slightly_smiling_face: | 2019-02-20T08:16:59.001400 | Kizzie |
elmlang | general | You could also call it `switch`, if you're feeling adventurous in your naming. For switching types, as in `f (g a) -> g (f a)`. | 2019-02-20T08:17:46.001600 | Niesha |
elmlang | general | Hey there - I am running into this issue even though it should be fixed.. :confused: | 2019-02-20T08:23:22.002300 | Teri |
elmlang | general | <https://github.com/elm/compiler/issues/1711> | 2019-02-20T08:23:23.002500 | Teri |
elmlang | general | Means the init port command is fired before I can subscribe to it. | 2019-02-20T08:23:38.003100 | Teri |
elmlang | general | Anyone else dealt with this before? Am I doing something wrong? Subscribe is defo called after init... | 2019-02-20T08:24:26.004600 | Teri |
elmlang | general | What’s everyone using as a backend to handle URL correctly in Elm SPAs that use client-side routing? | 2019-02-20T08:24:28.004700 | Inger |
elmlang | general | I'm hosting on <http://netlify.com|netlify.com> | 2019-02-20T08:24:45.004800 | Teri |
elmlang | general | It's dead simple, free, fast and so on | 2019-02-20T08:24:54.005000 | Teri |
elmlang | general | You can just put ```/* /index.html 200
``` in a redirects file and you're good | 2019-02-20T08:25:22.005200 | Teri |
elmlang | general | Redirecting stuff to an api is also a one-liner. | 2019-02-20T08:27:05.005500 | Teri |
elmlang | general | For local development I use create-elm-app | 2019-02-20T08:27:18.005700 | Teri |
elmlang | general | Nice. Is this what you mention -> <https://www.netlify.com/docs/redirects/#rewrites-and-proxying> ? | 2019-02-20T08:28:19.005900 | Inger |
elmlang | general | yeah | 2019-02-20T08:31:13.006200 | Teri |
elmlang | general | Yes, I have very similar setup using create-elm-app but I have a custom backend. I have it setup to serve `index.html` as a fallback but it doesn’t know which url to 404, or 300 and my only choice is to 200 all incoming URLs, serve `index.html` and handle those at Elm side of things.
So was wondering if there’s a more elegant solution w/r to that situation | 2019-02-20T08:31:15.006400 | Inger |
elmlang | general | If your custom backend does API stuff you can leave it where it is and proxy to it | 2019-02-20T08:31:46.006700 | Teri |
elmlang | general | leave the hosting to netlify.. | 2019-02-20T08:31:52.006900 | Teri |
elmlang | general | Cool I’ll try it out.
Seems even netlify recommends the same approach :joy:
`/* /index.html 200` | 2019-02-20T08:32:50.007100 | Inger |
elmlang | general | Yeah that's where I got it from. | 2019-02-20T08:49:02.000600 | Teri |
elmlang | general | i didn't quite understand what version of haskell I'm supposed to use | 2019-02-20T09:39:56.001200 | Sherill |
elmlang | general | btw, 8.2.2 with cabal seems to be working fine | 2019-02-20T09:40:10.001400 | Sherill |
elmlang | general | Then do that. `stack init` finds you the correct version. | 2019-02-20T09:46:01.001600 | Niesha |
elmlang | general | when will all the speakers be announced for <https://www.elminthespring.org/> | 2019-02-20T10:29:05.002200 | Michelle |
elmlang | general | Speakers are confirmed on the 22nd, so probably not long after that | 2019-02-20T10:48:52.003200 | Danika |
elmlang | general | > 2/22/19 - Speakers notified (by this date)
> 2/28/19 - Speakers announced (by this date) | 2019-02-20T11:17:47.003400 | Danika |
elmlang | general | I re-posted in <#C0MU81TEC|conferences> for visibility :wink: | 2019-02-20T11:32:59.003500 | Gale |
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