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uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6hxwir | i6fq05p | 1,651,121,830 | 1,651,085,940 | 3 | 2 | Remember a lot of professors are bitter old men that never made it. | I'm not an architect, even though I always wanted to be one I ended with photography. And I know, these a very different fields. But them both stand in the same thin line between art expression and technicality. In my journey as a photographer (around 15 years) I've heard a lot of things from a lot of people with tremendously different opinions. I've seen people who like at photos as a technical statement, a pure and cold dominance of the equipment focused only in the most sharp, perfect and exact image. A "extremely exact copy of the world" +. In the other side, I've seen people treat their photos as abstractions of reality, interpretations of the world in the most vague and open to interpretation ways possible. None of them where right... Or wrong. That's the thing about stand in this thin line of art and technique. The problem, as it seems to me, is that many times both sides can't seed the value and importance of the other. Learn to "speak the language" of architecture and when you became proficient on it, use it to do your way. He described you as an artist, that's a great thing. Master the techniques and don't lose sight of your way of seeing and doing things "as an artist". This thin line is an illusion. Don't let it divide you by puting you in one side or another of it. As I always say to my students: Break the rules. But first, know and master them. You are still an student. An university should be a place of experimentation, learn and pratice. Don't let one bad teacher, with such a narrow mind, put you down. ❤️ (Sorry, Portuguese speaker here) | 1 | 35,890 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6fuh6b | i6hxwir | 1,651,087,715 | 1,651,121,830 | 2 | 3 | I went to art school. Sometimes it was rough. But if you love architecture keep studying. You have to convince people of what you are doing. Criticism can push you to better articulate your ideas. | Remember a lot of professors are bitter old men that never made it. | 0 | 34,115 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6hxwir | i6g2c1z | 1,651,121,830 | 1,651,090,781 | 3 | 2 | Remember a lot of professors are bitter old men that never made it. | As Stan Lee said, " If you have an idea that you genuinely think is good, don't let some idiot talk you out of it" It seems his roasting your taste, as long as you have a good work ethic and can produce the work needed to describe your idea, thats all that matter. The professors I had only told students they may not be up to architecture when they presented with really bad or low quality work, never because of a core idea in their project. | 1 | 31,049 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6g932k | i6hxwir | 1,651,093,425 | 1,651,121,830 | 2 | 3 | Professors' judgements on design are largely subjective and only minorly objective. There it is. On the other hand, so are clients. You will one day need to learn how to read clients and shape your designs to give them what they want (without producing crap). You might as well start learning that skill now and practicing on your professor. | Remember a lot of professors are bitter old men that never made it. | 0 | 28,405 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6gewce | i6hxwir | 1,651,095,838 | 1,651,121,830 | 2 | 3 | I have had that happen several times while going to school. The first was at community college basic illustration class, the teacher said I should try computer programming. Later in a top ten design school I was told I don't have it. Don't you believe it, I'm at almost 25 years as a professional designer. For one thing, you're just starting out, you don't know shit and you're not supposed to. Work hard listen to the teachers who do compliment you or offer help and don't listen to the ones that run you down. Criticism is a good thing and you can learn from it but keep the overly negative stuff at arms length. At work all day long I have people shooting down my designs, that doesn't mean they're bad, it just means they have a vision of something else. If you really like what you're doing stick with it, you can get there. Good luck! | Remember a lot of professors are bitter old men that never made it. | 0 | 25,992 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6fq05p | i6i6id7 | 1,651,085,940 | 1,651,127,994 | 2 | 3 | I'm not an architect, even though I always wanted to be one I ended with photography. And I know, these a very different fields. But them both stand in the same thin line between art expression and technicality. In my journey as a photographer (around 15 years) I've heard a lot of things from a lot of people with tremendously different opinions. I've seen people who like at photos as a technical statement, a pure and cold dominance of the equipment focused only in the most sharp, perfect and exact image. A "extremely exact copy of the world" +. In the other side, I've seen people treat their photos as abstractions of reality, interpretations of the world in the most vague and open to interpretation ways possible. None of them where right... Or wrong. That's the thing about stand in this thin line of art and technique. The problem, as it seems to me, is that many times both sides can't seed the value and importance of the other. Learn to "speak the language" of architecture and when you became proficient on it, use it to do your way. He described you as an artist, that's a great thing. Master the techniques and don't lose sight of your way of seeing and doing things "as an artist". This thin line is an illusion. Don't let it divide you by puting you in one side or another of it. As I always say to my students: Break the rules. But first, know and master them. You are still an student. An university should be a place of experimentation, learn and pratice. Don't let one bad teacher, with such a narrow mind, put you down. ❤️ (Sorry, Portuguese speaker here) | I hope you read this comment. When I finished first year, in portfolio the whole internal board lead by a lecturer who didn't like me told me the same thing. They said I rather cut ties now and either go to a technicon or change career lines. The funny thing is the externals where confused and said we don't get it the work isn't bad. I however was seriously impacted by a group of guys collectively saying this to me whom I had crits with the whole year. I went and spun, didn't know what to do with my future. A very blunt architect I knew said something to me that convinced me to keep fighting. She said if you can't fight for yourself and believe in yourself regardless of what you do you going to battle because someone will always tell you this is not for you. I stayed. I became one of the students who people respected and admired to the point where when I applied for postgrad I had a 3 lectures make contact with me about how they excited to see a strong student return to the school. If you believe you in the right place, you in the right place. Keep believing. Find mentors whose opinion you trust and only listen to them. You can't listen to everyone, especially when a lot of people's motives might be in the wrong place. Beyond your mentors, only take what you need from what people say and disregard the rest. Listen to them but don't allow them to cloud your judgment. If you mentor has frank conversations with you then engage. | 0 | 42,054 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6i6id7 | i6fuh6b | 1,651,127,994 | 1,651,087,715 | 3 | 2 | I hope you read this comment. When I finished first year, in portfolio the whole internal board lead by a lecturer who didn't like me told me the same thing. They said I rather cut ties now and either go to a technicon or change career lines. The funny thing is the externals where confused and said we don't get it the work isn't bad. I however was seriously impacted by a group of guys collectively saying this to me whom I had crits with the whole year. I went and spun, didn't know what to do with my future. A very blunt architect I knew said something to me that convinced me to keep fighting. She said if you can't fight for yourself and believe in yourself regardless of what you do you going to battle because someone will always tell you this is not for you. I stayed. I became one of the students who people respected and admired to the point where when I applied for postgrad I had a 3 lectures make contact with me about how they excited to see a strong student return to the school. If you believe you in the right place, you in the right place. Keep believing. Find mentors whose opinion you trust and only listen to them. You can't listen to everyone, especially when a lot of people's motives might be in the wrong place. Beyond your mentors, only take what you need from what people say and disregard the rest. Listen to them but don't allow them to cloud your judgment. If you mentor has frank conversations with you then engage. | I went to art school. Sometimes it was rough. But if you love architecture keep studying. You have to convince people of what you are doing. Criticism can push you to better articulate your ideas. | 1 | 40,279 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6g2c1z | i6i6id7 | 1,651,090,781 | 1,651,127,994 | 2 | 3 | As Stan Lee said, " If you have an idea that you genuinely think is good, don't let some idiot talk you out of it" It seems his roasting your taste, as long as you have a good work ethic and can produce the work needed to describe your idea, thats all that matter. The professors I had only told students they may not be up to architecture when they presented with really bad or low quality work, never because of a core idea in their project. | I hope you read this comment. When I finished first year, in portfolio the whole internal board lead by a lecturer who didn't like me told me the same thing. They said I rather cut ties now and either go to a technicon or change career lines. The funny thing is the externals where confused and said we don't get it the work isn't bad. I however was seriously impacted by a group of guys collectively saying this to me whom I had crits with the whole year. I went and spun, didn't know what to do with my future. A very blunt architect I knew said something to me that convinced me to keep fighting. She said if you can't fight for yourself and believe in yourself regardless of what you do you going to battle because someone will always tell you this is not for you. I stayed. I became one of the students who people respected and admired to the point where when I applied for postgrad I had a 3 lectures make contact with me about how they excited to see a strong student return to the school. If you believe you in the right place, you in the right place. Keep believing. Find mentors whose opinion you trust and only listen to them. You can't listen to everyone, especially when a lot of people's motives might be in the wrong place. Beyond your mentors, only take what you need from what people say and disregard the rest. Listen to them but don't allow them to cloud your judgment. If you mentor has frank conversations with you then engage. | 0 | 37,213 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6i6id7 | i6g932k | 1,651,127,994 | 1,651,093,425 | 3 | 2 | I hope you read this comment. When I finished first year, in portfolio the whole internal board lead by a lecturer who didn't like me told me the same thing. They said I rather cut ties now and either go to a technicon or change career lines. The funny thing is the externals where confused and said we don't get it the work isn't bad. I however was seriously impacted by a group of guys collectively saying this to me whom I had crits with the whole year. I went and spun, didn't know what to do with my future. A very blunt architect I knew said something to me that convinced me to keep fighting. She said if you can't fight for yourself and believe in yourself regardless of what you do you going to battle because someone will always tell you this is not for you. I stayed. I became one of the students who people respected and admired to the point where when I applied for postgrad I had a 3 lectures make contact with me about how they excited to see a strong student return to the school. If you believe you in the right place, you in the right place. Keep believing. Find mentors whose opinion you trust and only listen to them. You can't listen to everyone, especially when a lot of people's motives might be in the wrong place. Beyond your mentors, only take what you need from what people say and disregard the rest. Listen to them but don't allow them to cloud your judgment. If you mentor has frank conversations with you then engage. | Professors' judgements on design are largely subjective and only minorly objective. There it is. On the other hand, so are clients. You will one day need to learn how to read clients and shape your designs to give them what they want (without producing crap). You might as well start learning that skill now and practicing on your professor. | 1 | 34,569 | 1.5 | ||
uda0rj | architecture_train | 0.96 | My professor told me I don‘t have it. Second semester. He hates symmetry. He described me as an artist in one of the first lessions. I know I have an eye for beauty. I love shapes. But also order and fuctionality. I don‘t speak the language of architecture he says. He gave me a really bad grade. He broke me with his words. I don‘t really know what I wan‘t to hear from you guys but I thought maybe you had a similar experience and can give me some words of encouragement. | i6i6id7 | i6gewce | 1,651,127,994 | 1,651,095,838 | 3 | 2 | I hope you read this comment. When I finished first year, in portfolio the whole internal board lead by a lecturer who didn't like me told me the same thing. They said I rather cut ties now and either go to a technicon or change career lines. The funny thing is the externals where confused and said we don't get it the work isn't bad. I however was seriously impacted by a group of guys collectively saying this to me whom I had crits with the whole year. I went and spun, didn't know what to do with my future. A very blunt architect I knew said something to me that convinced me to keep fighting. She said if you can't fight for yourself and believe in yourself regardless of what you do you going to battle because someone will always tell you this is not for you. I stayed. I became one of the students who people respected and admired to the point where when I applied for postgrad I had a 3 lectures make contact with me about how they excited to see a strong student return to the school. If you believe you in the right place, you in the right place. Keep believing. Find mentors whose opinion you trust and only listen to them. You can't listen to everyone, especially when a lot of people's motives might be in the wrong place. Beyond your mentors, only take what you need from what people say and disregard the rest. Listen to them but don't allow them to cloud your judgment. If you mentor has frank conversations with you then engage. | I have had that happen several times while going to school. The first was at community college basic illustration class, the teacher said I should try computer programming. Later in a top ten design school I was told I don't have it. Don't you believe it, I'm at almost 25 years as a professional designer. For one thing, you're just starting out, you don't know shit and you're not supposed to. Work hard listen to the teachers who do compliment you or offer help and don't listen to the ones that run you down. Criticism is a good thing and you can learn from it but keep the overly negative stuff at arms length. At work all day long I have people shooting down my designs, that doesn't mean they're bad, it just means they have a vision of something else. If you really like what you're doing stick with it, you can get there. Good luck! | 1 | 32,156 | 1.5 | ||
nmaedx | architecture_train | 0.93 | I feel like I am in the wrong major and I don't know what to do. Hi! I am a student at RISD and I just finished my second year studying Industrial Design. For the past few semesters, I worked hard but I lack true passion. I did most assignments just for assignment sake. Something about caring about minute details and careful craft about objects did not excite me. I like thinking about systems and just carrying about a single object was not enough for me. Initially choose Industrial Design because I wanted to UI/UX because it made money and my mom was pushing me towards it. But truthfully I wanted to pursue architecture - even though I didn't know it at the time. After talking with friends in other architecture majors, I have realized that I want to do architecture more. Looking at circulation plans, thinking about space -- I don't know why I am in Industrial Design because I have always enjoyed thinking about spaces and how people interact with them. When applying for Industrial Design internships I have always felt stuck because I didn't know what to write. I struggled to phrase my cover letters and have a driving motivation. I feel stuck in my major and career and I have no one to talk to about it and I don't know what to do. One of my options is to just ignore it and just move on with my Industrial Design degree, my other option is to switch majors but the architecture degree program here is 5 years, which means it will be 7 years before I graduate, and my last option is doing a masters in architecture but I need to go through hoops and take other courses first. My heart leans more towards the last option but I know my parents will be disappointed in me. Even though it will be a very difficult path for me. I know I have the motivation to go do it I fear my parent's criticism and that this path will look wrong on my resume and that it will be difficult for me to get internships. The weird thing is, was that I was very involved in the Industrial Department and clubs, but the fact I could just ignore the feeling that it wasn't fulfilling for me made really confuses me now. How did I not notice that and could I just let it slip. But I can't think about the past, I only anxiously think about my future. I still like parts of ID. I like the business of it. I like designing to improve someone's life or day. I enjoy thinking about forms and interaction. I just feel like there's more. But I feel as if how it fulfills me is only temporary and escapes when I think of architecture. Architecture is a competitive industry, maybe it's just not worthwhile for me to think about it and just give up. | gzo4385 | gzo7ts7 | 1,622,141,844 | 1,622,143,448 | 4 | 5 | Talk with your advisor. I can guarantee this isn’t the first time this has happened at RISD. You can likely still graduate with a bachelors design degree (perhaps not even ID) in two years, perhaps in something more to your interest. M.Arch is also an option. Most are 3 year programs post a non-B.Arch bachelors, but some may give you advanced credit in certain design studios. The fact that you are already at RISD means you have art/design talent. Channel that talent to what could make you happier. Explore some Brown courses if you have a chance as well—you may find another area outside design that really inspires you. You have a whole life ahead of you, and it isn’t all about making big bucks. | I've been "in school" for 6-7 years now (changed majors, took time off to make money, etc) and I just started taking Architecture design courses. I've learned to let go of the fears of being in school and not graduating some time ago and I just take it day by day. I also think that we've found what we want to do for the rest of our lives pretty early on if you ask me. I know a guy who was in his 40's or 50's that was in my design 1 class. gave me perspective. | 0 | 1,604 | 1.25 | ||
7otd26 | architecture_train | 0.9 | [ask] what style of architecture is this so underneath is an album of images with this style, id best (as a guy knowing nothing about architecture) describe it as the Victorian style of buildings that use lots of curves in the roof's often used in Victorian glasshouses https://imgur.com/a/v4I4x | dsc8wm3 | dsc8m5b | 1,515,365,627 | 1,515,365,311 | 16 | 3 | The first one is what I'd call a contemporary Japanese romantic interpretation of european imperial architecture from the late 1800's. I'd specifically place those curvy rooves as being german from the period of the final emperors, but generally this reminds me of exhuberant neo-baroque stuff from 1880's imperial europe, as filtered through a japanese background artist's interpretations. The period's affinity for ornate ironwork may carry through to the second picture, but I wouldn't be so bold as to place those greenhouses except by saying mid- to late 1800s. | I think they were going for the generalised 'Classical architecture' look, specifically Renaissance and Baroque. Also reminds me a bit of Victorian if we're talking British. The castle in the background is more of a medieval, romanesque look. | 1 | 316 | 5.333333 | ||
7otd26 | architecture_train | 0.9 | [ask] what style of architecture is this so underneath is an album of images with this style, id best (as a guy knowing nothing about architecture) describe it as the Victorian style of buildings that use lots of curves in the roof's often used in Victorian glasshouses https://imgur.com/a/v4I4x | dsc8621 | dsc8wm3 | 1,515,364,823 | 1,515,365,627 | 3 | 16 | Those three images have formal similarities but are vastly different stylistically. The first is a fairytale interpretation of Victorian, the other two are modern/Art Deco. | The first one is what I'd call a contemporary Japanese romantic interpretation of european imperial architecture from the late 1800's. I'd specifically place those curvy rooves as being german from the period of the final emperors, but generally this reminds me of exhuberant neo-baroque stuff from 1880's imperial europe, as filtered through a japanese background artist's interpretations. The period's affinity for ornate ironwork may carry through to the second picture, but I wouldn't be so bold as to place those greenhouses except by saying mid- to late 1800s. | 0 | 804 | 5.333333 | ||
7otd26 | architecture_train | 0.9 | [ask] what style of architecture is this so underneath is an album of images with this style, id best (as a guy knowing nothing about architecture) describe it as the Victorian style of buildings that use lots of curves in the roof's often used in Victorian glasshouses https://imgur.com/a/v4I4x | dscxfd6 | dsc8m5b | 1,515,400,811 | 1,515,365,311 | 5 | 3 | Well I have to agree with /user/liberal_texan that this style is closely related to Art Deco. Especially the second picture. Take for example René Berger's Jardin des Plantes. Here is the link in French wikipedia with more pictures : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jardin_des_plantes_de_Paris The first one is a completely imaginary building so it is not a specific architectural style but it is reminiscent of High Victorian architecture of early 19th century. There is a mixture of styles however. Baroque revival is also a thing (as it already was a thing in 1800-1850), eclecticism is also present. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_James_Burnet And of course the general idea is Mannerism, a style of "seeming" and not of "being": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannerism#Mannerist_architecture The last one I can't place it to a specific style as it is generally engineering architecture of 18th century, but with eclectic and late renaissance elements, like the entrance for example. Here is another not excellent, but adequate link: http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/nineteenth-century-architecture.htm Pictures 2 & 3 have similarities but are not the same style actually. Picture 1 is fundamentally different, although the form might seem the same. | I think they were going for the generalised 'Classical architecture' look, specifically Renaissance and Baroque. Also reminds me a bit of Victorian if we're talking British. The castle in the background is more of a medieval, romanesque look. | 1 | 35,500 | 1.666667 | ||
7otd26 | architecture_train | 0.9 | [ask] what style of architecture is this so underneath is an album of images with this style, id best (as a guy knowing nothing about architecture) describe it as the Victorian style of buildings that use lots of curves in the roof's often used in Victorian glasshouses https://imgur.com/a/v4I4x | dsc8621 | dscxfd6 | 1,515,364,823 | 1,515,400,811 | 3 | 5 | Those three images have formal similarities but are vastly different stylistically. The first is a fairytale interpretation of Victorian, the other two are modern/Art Deco. | Well I have to agree with /user/liberal_texan that this style is closely related to Art Deco. Especially the second picture. Take for example René Berger's Jardin des Plantes. Here is the link in French wikipedia with more pictures : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jardin_des_plantes_de_Paris The first one is a completely imaginary building so it is not a specific architectural style but it is reminiscent of High Victorian architecture of early 19th century. There is a mixture of styles however. Baroque revival is also a thing (as it already was a thing in 1800-1850), eclecticism is also present. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_James_Burnet And of course the general idea is Mannerism, a style of "seeming" and not of "being": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannerism#Mannerist_architecture The last one I can't place it to a specific style as it is generally engineering architecture of 18th century, but with eclectic and late renaissance elements, like the entrance for example. Here is another not excellent, but adequate link: http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/nineteenth-century-architecture.htm Pictures 2 & 3 have similarities but are not the same style actually. Picture 1 is fundamentally different, although the form might seem the same. | 0 | 35,988 | 1.666667 | ||
7otd26 | architecture_train | 0.9 | [ask] what style of architecture is this so underneath is an album of images with this style, id best (as a guy knowing nothing about architecture) describe it as the Victorian style of buildings that use lots of curves in the roof's often used in Victorian glasshouses https://imgur.com/a/v4I4x | dscm7iy | dscxfd6 | 1,515,381,243 | 1,515,400,811 | 2 | 5 | The latter two seem to be a form of eclecticism, merging elements of Neo-Baroque and Neo-Renaissance with perhaps some early Art Nouveau influences (i.e. an innovative use of glass and wrought iron). The first is fantastical, but the same can be said of it as with the others. It's just more accentuated and unrealistic. | Well I have to agree with /user/liberal_texan that this style is closely related to Art Deco. Especially the second picture. Take for example René Berger's Jardin des Plantes. Here is the link in French wikipedia with more pictures : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jardin_des_plantes_de_Paris The first one is a completely imaginary building so it is not a specific architectural style but it is reminiscent of High Victorian architecture of early 19th century. There is a mixture of styles however. Baroque revival is also a thing (as it already was a thing in 1800-1850), eclecticism is also present. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_James_Burnet And of course the general idea is Mannerism, a style of "seeming" and not of "being": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannerism#Mannerist_architecture The last one I can't place it to a specific style as it is generally engineering architecture of 18th century, but with eclectic and late renaissance elements, like the entrance for example. Here is another not excellent, but adequate link: http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/nineteenth-century-architecture.htm Pictures 2 & 3 have similarities but are not the same style actually. Picture 1 is fundamentally different, although the form might seem the same. | 0 | 19,568 | 2.5 | ||
7otd26 | architecture_train | 0.9 | [ask] what style of architecture is this so underneath is an album of images with this style, id best (as a guy knowing nothing about architecture) describe it as the Victorian style of buildings that use lots of curves in the roof's often used in Victorian glasshouses https://imgur.com/a/v4I4x | dscqntk | dscxfd6 | 1,515,387,375 | 1,515,400,811 | 2 | 5 | I'd say it's Victorian style, reminds me of Allan Gardens conservatory in Toronto. http://urbantoronto.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/display-default/images/articles/2013/06/8329/urbantoronto-8329-27265.jpg | Well I have to agree with /user/liberal_texan that this style is closely related to Art Deco. Especially the second picture. Take for example René Berger's Jardin des Plantes. Here is the link in French wikipedia with more pictures : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jardin_des_plantes_de_Paris The first one is a completely imaginary building so it is not a specific architectural style but it is reminiscent of High Victorian architecture of early 19th century. There is a mixture of styles however. Baroque revival is also a thing (as it already was a thing in 1800-1850), eclecticism is also present. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_James_Burnet And of course the general idea is Mannerism, a style of "seeming" and not of "being": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannerism#Mannerist_architecture The last one I can't place it to a specific style as it is generally engineering architecture of 18th century, but with eclectic and late renaissance elements, like the entrance for example. Here is another not excellent, but adequate link: http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/nineteenth-century-architecture.htm Pictures 2 & 3 have similarities but are not the same style actually. Picture 1 is fundamentally different, although the form might seem the same. | 0 | 13,436 | 2.5 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs7vujv | gs7o7ui | 1,616,706,500 | 1,616,703,135 | 19 | 6 | Don't drop out. Don't worry about your love for architecture right now. Don't try to make your project great or even better. Just get it done. Better is the enemy of good. In architecture, you could literally spend your whole life on a single detail if you chase perfection. Just get it done, and re-evaluate your direction at the end of the semester. | I dropped out in year 3 too. It's a tough degree. Regretted it, if I could go back I would have switched to part time study and work. Would take a lot longer but be easier to digest. If that's not an option consider taking a gap year and picking it back up when you feel better. Work on a building site would be very helpful for example. | 1 | 3,365 | 3.166667 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs7vujv | gs7onba | 1,616,706,500 | 1,616,703,320 | 19 | 2 | Don't drop out. Don't worry about your love for architecture right now. Don't try to make your project great or even better. Just get it done. Better is the enemy of good. In architecture, you could literally spend your whole life on a single detail if you chase perfection. Just get it done, and re-evaluate your direction at the end of the semester. | what i noticed in having studied architecture for four years is that your backup on several architecture works and points of view impacts a lot on how you work. try to get more references and base your project's concept on some idea you find was good on it. i was feeling the same as you the last semester, believe me; just try to watch documentaries and read more, architecture is very exhausting if you dont do it out of love and dedication. sending my best wishes <3 | 1 | 3,180 | 9.5 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs7o7ui | gs7yqji | 1,616,703,135 | 1,616,707,821 | 6 | 12 | I dropped out in year 3 too. It's a tough degree. Regretted it, if I could go back I would have switched to part time study and work. Would take a lot longer but be easier to digest. If that's not an option consider taking a gap year and picking it back up when you feel better. Work on a building site would be very helpful for example. | I considered this during my 3rd year too. I stuck with it and it was the best decision I ever made. I think the absolute best thing you can learn in architecture school is not what you can produce but how you can deal with someone shitting all over it, taking their criticism on board, pulling your socks up and picking yourself back up over and over and over again. We all suffer with anxiety / depression / failure, it just kinda comes with the job. And I know this will sound a bit blunt but if you stick with it I can promise you that eventually you just kinda get used to it! Don’t let your emotions get in the way of your dreams. Fuck it. Just keep reminding yourself that nothing worthwhile is ever going to be easy! You can still smash it just get on with it 👊🏼 | 0 | 4,686 | 2 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs7onba | gs7yqji | 1,616,703,320 | 1,616,707,821 | 2 | 12 | what i noticed in having studied architecture for four years is that your backup on several architecture works and points of view impacts a lot on how you work. try to get more references and base your project's concept on some idea you find was good on it. i was feeling the same as you the last semester, believe me; just try to watch documentaries and read more, architecture is very exhausting if you dont do it out of love and dedication. sending my best wishes <3 | I considered this during my 3rd year too. I stuck with it and it was the best decision I ever made. I think the absolute best thing you can learn in architecture school is not what you can produce but how you can deal with someone shitting all over it, taking their criticism on board, pulling your socks up and picking yourself back up over and over and over again. We all suffer with anxiety / depression / failure, it just kinda comes with the job. And I know this will sound a bit blunt but if you stick with it I can promise you that eventually you just kinda get used to it! Don’t let your emotions get in the way of your dreams. Fuck it. Just keep reminding yourself that nothing worthwhile is ever going to be easy! You can still smash it just get on with it 👊🏼 | 0 | 4,501 | 6 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs7wipr | gs7yqji | 1,616,706,806 | 1,616,707,821 | 1 | 12 | Architecture school & culture sucks and is purposefully painful. If you wanna drop out, then do so. If you do love Architecture or making things in general, you will find a different way to do it, after a well deserved rest break. There's a million other ways to design, build, invent, sculpt, etc. | I considered this during my 3rd year too. I stuck with it and it was the best decision I ever made. I think the absolute best thing you can learn in architecture school is not what you can produce but how you can deal with someone shitting all over it, taking their criticism on board, pulling your socks up and picking yourself back up over and over and over again. We all suffer with anxiety / depression / failure, it just kinda comes with the job. And I know this will sound a bit blunt but if you stick with it I can promise you that eventually you just kinda get used to it! Don’t let your emotions get in the way of your dreams. Fuck it. Just keep reminding yourself that nothing worthwhile is ever going to be easy! You can still smash it just get on with it 👊🏼 | 0 | 1,015 | 12 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs7onba | gsaz8tz | 1,616,703,320 | 1,616,774,496 | 2 | 3 | what i noticed in having studied architecture for four years is that your backup on several architecture works and points of view impacts a lot on how you work. try to get more references and base your project's concept on some idea you find was good on it. i was feeling the same as you the last semester, believe me; just try to watch documentaries and read more, architecture is very exhausting if you dont do it out of love and dedication. sending my best wishes <3 | Think simple. Strip it down. When you have the flow of spaces working, don’t overcomplicate the structure. Find examples in existing buildings of solutions to similar contexts. If you can reference actual buildings and solutions in your final crit, it will look better. Finally, make sure that despite having as simple a structure as possible that you identify the most complex construction joints so that you can illustrate the detail design. Showing that you know how to design spaces, know your architectural history/existing precedent, and that you understand structure and construction are the big three things you need to show. | 0 | 71,176 | 1.5 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs80uxw | gsaz8tz | 1,616,708,807 | 1,616,774,496 | 2 | 3 | I’m also doing my third year in arch school atm and have quite the same experience. Let it be known that a lot of my co-students have not had it easy finding ambition during a pandemic, it can really bring you down so much that even the slightest critique on your work may be the last straw. But like the others in this thread said, and what I personally do, is to just pull through and do your best, deep down you know you have what it takes since you’re in your third year. I suggest reach out not only to school councelling, but also to other students to gain some support and compassion in these times. Believe it, I’ve learned to believe I can do it. | Think simple. Strip it down. When you have the flow of spaces working, don’t overcomplicate the structure. Find examples in existing buildings of solutions to similar contexts. If you can reference actual buildings and solutions in your final crit, it will look better. Finally, make sure that despite having as simple a structure as possible that you identify the most complex construction joints so that you can illustrate the detail design. Showing that you know how to design spaces, know your architectural history/existing precedent, and that you understand structure and construction are the big three things you need to show. | 0 | 65,689 | 1.5 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs833dk | gsaz8tz | 1,616,709,862 | 1,616,774,496 | 2 | 3 | I had a similar experience myself, maybe it'll be of help to share. I struggled with grades throughout my bachelors and had to resit studio during the summer in my second year. I barely passed in my part 1 BSc and found myself questioning everything about myself, since I had been working toward this goal my whole life so far. I decided to take a few years out to see what the professional world was like, had some internships and other junior level roles in London. Essentially working for zero pay for a while, but it helped me learn the ropes and apply my skills in a professional environment. I eventually landed a job at a cool little interior architecture practice in London. It was small, but did high quality work & the office environment was really nice, had tonnes of resources etc. I had lucked out abit. Working there helped rebuild my confidence in my own skills and I resolved to finish the next part of the course and prove that I was a good designer. I did a lot of self reflection during this time, read everything I could find to help me become a better designer, but perhaps most important, what my values were as a person. I watched tonnes of online tutorials for 3D modelling, photoshop etc. and generally worked at bettering my skills to give me the best shot at the MArch that I possibly could. After a lot of struggle, I thankfully came out of it with a grade I could be proud of. Landing these jobs was not easy by the way, there's not a lot of job security in the industry so I have had intermittent little stints of unemployment throughout my life since graduation. I still sometimes question if it was worth it, but ultimately I know there's nothing else I'd like to do for a career. My dream is to work in sustainable practice someday. So my advice to you is this, don't drop out, just finish it and then take that time afterwards to reflect on why you struggled and how you might do better at the next step. Architectural education is a long process, design thinking takes time to nurture and is unique to each individual. If you choose to move forward within the industry then great, even if you don't, there is a lot of value to what you learn in the course, as flawed as it may be. If you have a passion for the subject, then go for it mate. Youre on the course to learn, failure is part of the process. Its worth a shot, so long as you love it. | Think simple. Strip it down. When you have the flow of spaces working, don’t overcomplicate the structure. Find examples in existing buildings of solutions to similar contexts. If you can reference actual buildings and solutions in your final crit, it will look better. Finally, make sure that despite having as simple a structure as possible that you identify the most complex construction joints so that you can illustrate the detail design. Showing that you know how to design spaces, know your architectural history/existing precedent, and that you understand structure and construction are the big three things you need to show. | 0 | 64,634 | 1.5 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs7wipr | gsaz8tz | 1,616,706,806 | 1,616,774,496 | 1 | 3 | Architecture school & culture sucks and is purposefully painful. If you wanna drop out, then do so. If you do love Architecture or making things in general, you will find a different way to do it, after a well deserved rest break. There's a million other ways to design, build, invent, sculpt, etc. | Think simple. Strip it down. When you have the flow of spaces working, don’t overcomplicate the structure. Find examples in existing buildings of solutions to similar contexts. If you can reference actual buildings and solutions in your final crit, it will look better. Finally, make sure that despite having as simple a structure as possible that you identify the most complex construction joints so that you can illustrate the detail design. Showing that you know how to design spaces, know your architectural history/existing precedent, and that you understand structure and construction are the big three things you need to show. | 0 | 67,690 | 3 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs83cso | gsaz8tz | 1,616,709,987 | 1,616,774,496 | 1 | 3 | why dont you just scrap the project and take a new angle at it? | Think simple. Strip it down. When you have the flow of spaces working, don’t overcomplicate the structure. Find examples in existing buildings of solutions to similar contexts. If you can reference actual buildings and solutions in your final crit, it will look better. Finally, make sure that despite having as simple a structure as possible that you identify the most complex construction joints so that you can illustrate the detail design. Showing that you know how to design spaces, know your architectural history/existing precedent, and that you understand structure and construction are the big three things you need to show. | 0 | 64,509 | 3 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gsaz8tz | gs93eam | 1,616,774,496 | 1,616,728,622 | 3 | 1 | Think simple. Strip it down. When you have the flow of spaces working, don’t overcomplicate the structure. Find examples in existing buildings of solutions to similar contexts. If you can reference actual buildings and solutions in your final crit, it will look better. Finally, make sure that despite having as simple a structure as possible that you identify the most complex construction joints so that you can illustrate the detail design. Showing that you know how to design spaces, know your architectural history/existing precedent, and that you understand structure and construction are the big three things you need to show. | Sorry that you have to go through this, I have been through overwhelming times where I would randomly tear up from feeling this sense of worthlessness. I'm glad that you still feel a love for what you're doing though. I think the important thing is to be completely honest about your feelings and try to externalise it to other people, be it your family, friends, peers, teachers, etc. I think that a brutally honest self-awareness of your emotions is the first step to recovering from this terrible situation. You'll slowly figure things out this way. Unfortunately my experience is that these anxious feelings don't go away, and I am still experiencing physical symptoms to this day. Please care for yourself, believe and trust in yourself, as cliche as that sounds. | 1 | 45,874 | 3 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs80uxw | gs7wipr | 1,616,708,807 | 1,616,706,806 | 2 | 1 | I’m also doing my third year in arch school atm and have quite the same experience. Let it be known that a lot of my co-students have not had it easy finding ambition during a pandemic, it can really bring you down so much that even the slightest critique on your work may be the last straw. But like the others in this thread said, and what I personally do, is to just pull through and do your best, deep down you know you have what it takes since you’re in your third year. I suggest reach out not only to school councelling, but also to other students to gain some support and compassion in these times. Believe it, I’ve learned to believe I can do it. | Architecture school & culture sucks and is purposefully painful. If you wanna drop out, then do so. If you do love Architecture or making things in general, you will find a different way to do it, after a well deserved rest break. There's a million other ways to design, build, invent, sculpt, etc. | 1 | 2,001 | 2 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs7wipr | gs833dk | 1,616,706,806 | 1,616,709,862 | 1 | 2 | Architecture school & culture sucks and is purposefully painful. If you wanna drop out, then do so. If you do love Architecture or making things in general, you will find a different way to do it, after a well deserved rest break. There's a million other ways to design, build, invent, sculpt, etc. | I had a similar experience myself, maybe it'll be of help to share. I struggled with grades throughout my bachelors and had to resit studio during the summer in my second year. I barely passed in my part 1 BSc and found myself questioning everything about myself, since I had been working toward this goal my whole life so far. I decided to take a few years out to see what the professional world was like, had some internships and other junior level roles in London. Essentially working for zero pay for a while, but it helped me learn the ropes and apply my skills in a professional environment. I eventually landed a job at a cool little interior architecture practice in London. It was small, but did high quality work & the office environment was really nice, had tonnes of resources etc. I had lucked out abit. Working there helped rebuild my confidence in my own skills and I resolved to finish the next part of the course and prove that I was a good designer. I did a lot of self reflection during this time, read everything I could find to help me become a better designer, but perhaps most important, what my values were as a person. I watched tonnes of online tutorials for 3D modelling, photoshop etc. and generally worked at bettering my skills to give me the best shot at the MArch that I possibly could. After a lot of struggle, I thankfully came out of it with a grade I could be proud of. Landing these jobs was not easy by the way, there's not a lot of job security in the industry so I have had intermittent little stints of unemployment throughout my life since graduation. I still sometimes question if it was worth it, but ultimately I know there's nothing else I'd like to do for a career. My dream is to work in sustainable practice someday. So my advice to you is this, don't drop out, just finish it and then take that time afterwards to reflect on why you struggled and how you might do better at the next step. Architectural education is a long process, design thinking takes time to nurture and is unique to each individual. If you choose to move forward within the industry then great, even if you don't, there is a lot of value to what you learn in the course, as flawed as it may be. If you have a passion for the subject, then go for it mate. Youre on the course to learn, failure is part of the process. Its worth a shot, so long as you love it. | 0 | 3,056 | 2 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gsjh4j8 | gs7wipr | 1,616,898,321 | 1,616,706,806 | 2 | 1 | Simplify it. Build a model and find your most interesting section and or two and detail the shit out of them. Keep the rest schematic to save time. They can tell you shit about your design but can't say shit if it works so make sure it works and is "buildable". | Architecture school & culture sucks and is purposefully painful. If you wanna drop out, then do so. If you do love Architecture or making things in general, you will find a different way to do it, after a well deserved rest break. There's a million other ways to design, build, invent, sculpt, etc. | 1 | 191,515 | 2 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gs83cso | gsjh4j8 | 1,616,709,987 | 1,616,898,321 | 1 | 2 | why dont you just scrap the project and take a new angle at it? | Simplify it. Build a model and find your most interesting section and or two and detail the shit out of them. Keep the rest schematic to save time. They can tell you shit about your design but can't say shit if it works so make sure it works and is "buildable". | 0 | 188,334 | 2 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gsjh4j8 | gs93eam | 1,616,898,321 | 1,616,728,622 | 2 | 1 | Simplify it. Build a model and find your most interesting section and or two and detail the shit out of them. Keep the rest schematic to save time. They can tell you shit about your design but can't say shit if it works so make sure it works and is "buildable". | Sorry that you have to go through this, I have been through overwhelming times where I would randomly tear up from feeling this sense of worthlessness. I'm glad that you still feel a love for what you're doing though. I think the important thing is to be completely honest about your feelings and try to externalise it to other people, be it your family, friends, peers, teachers, etc. I think that a brutally honest self-awareness of your emotions is the first step to recovering from this terrible situation. You'll slowly figure things out this way. Unfortunately my experience is that these anxious feelings don't go away, and I am still experiencing physical symptoms to this day. Please care for yourself, believe and trust in yourself, as cliche as that sounds. | 1 | 169,699 | 2 | ||
md5tzf | architecture_train | 0.91 | Dropping out as 3rd year arch student I bit off more than I could chew with my studio project this semester. It has been the absolute worst experience I’ve had in my entire life and I’m so done with the stress and trying to make this building work. I want to drop out of architecture so badly but I have a love for it still and I don’t want to ruin my life/ waste the money my parents have been so gracious to put towards my education. I’m beyond depressed. I cry pretty much every day because I am so disappointed in myself and hate my life. I can’t really explain how bad it has been for me mentally I’m so burnt out and having covid didn’t help. If anyone has dropped out in a similar manner, what could I do. How can I start over or get through this semester? I apologize maybe the wording isn’t the best I’m very upset right now. | gsd3l9i | gsjh4j8 | 1,616,806,457 | 1,616,898,321 | 1 | 2 | I wouldn’t drop quite yet, the 3rd year I felt was the most difficult. Just power through this project, if it’s shitty, it’s shitty. Do your best to get a passing grade, doesn’t matter if you like where the project ended up at this point, just get it to where it is passable. Sometimes you just get into a nosedive on a project that can’t be fully recovered in the short studio timeline. Get through it and give next year another shot, start with a clean slate. Look back at this and see where you messed up or lost interest, try and fix that. | Simplify it. Build a model and find your most interesting section and or two and detail the shit out of them. Keep the rest schematic to save time. They can tell you shit about your design but can't say shit if it works so make sure it works and is "buildable". | 0 | 91,864 | 2 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbhdlxr | fbhgh7k | 1,576,871,162 | 1,576,873,081 | 2 | 6 | I'm a BSc in Architecture from TU Vienna, and started my masters program this semester. this is my experience/opinion: I got As and Bs on my projects in the first year, which i was pleased with. they were either art projects or kinda preparatory design projects for the larger courses later on. And then in my 3rd term, I bombed at the first larger project (i.e. failed the course). I questioned wether to keep going but decided to do so. I repeated the course a year later (had been able to continue my other courses, our curriculum is very flexible here) and aced ut, got an A and it was exibited at a little architecture event. Including this project and our Bachelor thesis, there are 7 large project in our BSc program. When I was done I had gotten 4 As and 3 Bs, far above average. I had managed to take that innitial setback und use it as a catalyst to excel at the following courses. So, if you stay motivated and find a way to elevate the quality of your projects, keep going. Acing your projects is by no means necessary, but it was important for me to do well in the courses where I created something myself to stay motivated. Also, the grading of projects is often highly subjective and seldom an accurate representation of your work's quality. So dont sweat a B. Cs are kind of a bummer, I agree. This far for now, I can respond again if you have questions :) | In my fourth Year I got 2 Ds. Since they were the final classes in the line of classes I had to take, I didn't have to retake them. Luckily I carried myself in my other classes. You'll be fine. Most people throughout architecture schools (at least the ones in Ohio) end with about a 3.0. I only know 4 out of the 100 people who ended with above a 3.5. I just got licensed this year (5 years after graduating). You'll be fine. | 0 | 1,919 | 3 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbhdlxr | fbivzwf | 1,576,871,162 | 1,576,916,986 | 2 | 3 | I'm a BSc in Architecture from TU Vienna, and started my masters program this semester. this is my experience/opinion: I got As and Bs on my projects in the first year, which i was pleased with. they were either art projects or kinda preparatory design projects for the larger courses later on. And then in my 3rd term, I bombed at the first larger project (i.e. failed the course). I questioned wether to keep going but decided to do so. I repeated the course a year later (had been able to continue my other courses, our curriculum is very flexible here) and aced ut, got an A and it was exibited at a little architecture event. Including this project and our Bachelor thesis, there are 7 large project in our BSc program. When I was done I had gotten 4 As and 3 Bs, far above average. I had managed to take that innitial setback und use it as a catalyst to excel at the following courses. So, if you stay motivated and find a way to elevate the quality of your projects, keep going. Acing your projects is by no means necessary, but it was important for me to do well in the courses where I created something myself to stay motivated. Also, the grading of projects is often highly subjective and seldom an accurate representation of your work's quality. So dont sweat a B. Cs are kind of a bummer, I agree. This far for now, I can respond again if you have questions :) | Nobody cares what grade you get or even what school you went to. | 0 | 45,824 | 1.5 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbhl5rf | fbivzwf | 1,576,876,277 | 1,576,916,986 | 2 | 3 | It honestly depends so much on the school and what class. If you are getting an occasional "B" or "C" on tech and structure classes most students have issues with then you are probably ok. Some schools are really tough in those and it might be hard to keep grades up while juggling studio projects and other responsibilities. If you are having a hard time with studio you might need to rethink how you approach the course. In your second year you still have time to figure it out, and studios seem to shift more towards judging you on development and finished product after your first couple of year rather than just having a nice model and innovative concept. Your work prospects are going to be based mostly on portfolio initially, which is mostly studio work, so having quality work there is a must. Otherwise you will spend lots of hours re-doing work for your portfolio. You still probably need to keep your GPA at a decent level, usually between 3.0-3.5/4. Once you have work experience under your belt though, everything you did in school stops mattering. | Nobody cares what grade you get or even what school you went to. | 0 | 40,709 | 1.5 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbivzwf | fbhsjn7 | 1,576,916,986 | 1,576,881,237 | 3 | 2 | Nobody cares what grade you get or even what school you went to. | I failed a module in my masters. Resubmitted and 2 years later I'm fully qualified. A C is fine, don't sweat! | 1 | 35,749 | 1.5 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbi4hb0 | fbivzwf | 1,576,890,526 | 1,576,916,986 | 2 | 3 | "C's" get degrees my guy, my mum said a simmilar thing happens to everyone while at uni, and it seems right on scheduled, if you didn't feel you were doing the right thing, you would have doubted the course within months of beginning it | Nobody cares what grade you get or even what school you went to. | 0 | 26,460 | 1.5 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbiefej | fbivzwf | 1,576,898,634 | 1,576,916,986 | 2 | 3 | I failed Design studio in my second semester. It's all okay, you have to keep reminding yourself of why you're there, and manage your time better. | Nobody cares what grade you get or even what school you went to. | 0 | 18,352 | 1.5 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbhkt2q | fbivzwf | 1,576,876,036 | 1,576,916,986 | 1 | 3 | There’s a saying in college that goes.. C’s get degrees. C’s are fine, just don’t make it a habit. Also, your program should have a counselor that can help guide you in the right path. Take advantage of them, they want you to succeed as much as you do. It’s not a good look for the program if students are failing. Speak to your professors also, they appreciate you wanting to do better as long as you consider their advice. These are things i wish i did while i was struggling. Rather than worrying in my own mind. Best of luck. | Nobody cares what grade you get or even what school you went to. | 0 | 40,950 | 3 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbhkt2q | fbhl5rf | 1,576,876,036 | 1,576,876,277 | 1 | 2 | There’s a saying in college that goes.. C’s get degrees. C’s are fine, just don’t make it a habit. Also, your program should have a counselor that can help guide you in the right path. Take advantage of them, they want you to succeed as much as you do. It’s not a good look for the program if students are failing. Speak to your professors also, they appreciate you wanting to do better as long as you consider their advice. These are things i wish i did while i was struggling. Rather than worrying in my own mind. Best of luck. | It honestly depends so much on the school and what class. If you are getting an occasional "B" or "C" on tech and structure classes most students have issues with then you are probably ok. Some schools are really tough in those and it might be hard to keep grades up while juggling studio projects and other responsibilities. If you are having a hard time with studio you might need to rethink how you approach the course. In your second year you still have time to figure it out, and studios seem to shift more towards judging you on development and finished product after your first couple of year rather than just having a nice model and innovative concept. Your work prospects are going to be based mostly on portfolio initially, which is mostly studio work, so having quality work there is a must. Otherwise you will spend lots of hours re-doing work for your portfolio. You still probably need to keep your GPA at a decent level, usually between 3.0-3.5/4. Once you have work experience under your belt though, everything you did in school stops mattering. | 0 | 241 | 2 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbhsjn7 | fbhkt2q | 1,576,881,237 | 1,576,876,036 | 2 | 1 | I failed a module in my masters. Resubmitted and 2 years later I'm fully qualified. A C is fine, don't sweat! | There’s a saying in college that goes.. C’s get degrees. C’s are fine, just don’t make it a habit. Also, your program should have a counselor that can help guide you in the right path. Take advantage of them, they want you to succeed as much as you do. It’s not a good look for the program if students are failing. Speak to your professors also, they appreciate you wanting to do better as long as you consider their advice. These are things i wish i did while i was struggling. Rather than worrying in my own mind. Best of luck. | 1 | 5,201 | 2 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbi4hb0 | fbhkt2q | 1,576,890,526 | 1,576,876,036 | 2 | 1 | "C's" get degrees my guy, my mum said a simmilar thing happens to everyone while at uni, and it seems right on scheduled, if you didn't feel you were doing the right thing, you would have doubted the course within months of beginning it | There’s a saying in college that goes.. C’s get degrees. C’s are fine, just don’t make it a habit. Also, your program should have a counselor that can help guide you in the right path. Take advantage of them, they want you to succeed as much as you do. It’s not a good look for the program if students are failing. Speak to your professors also, they appreciate you wanting to do better as long as you consider their advice. These are things i wish i did while i was struggling. Rather than worrying in my own mind. Best of luck. | 1 | 14,490 | 2 | ||
ederbf | architecture_train | 0.91 | 2nd Year Architecture Student Seeking Confidence/Assurement [ask] Hello all, I’m currently a 2nd year architecture student in a 5-year B.arch program and have received my grades for this semester. I have received 2 Bs and 2 Cs. This is the first time I’ve ever gotten a C in school, and the fact that I ended with 2 Cs this semester is a little nerve wrecking. I’ve always been a hard working and diligent student, receiving nearly straight As in high school and As/Bs for my first year of architecture. But somehow, I reached a slump, and I just wasn’t sure how acceptable a “C” is in Architecture. It seems okay to me, but I just want re-assurement so I don’t have to think about it too much. After all, the degree is most important and jobs are probably more interested in your portfolio right? I simply don’t want to feel too anxious about this, but any response would be greatly appreciated. TLDR: Is it okay to receive some Cs in architecture school? | fbhkt2q | fbiefej | 1,576,876,036 | 1,576,898,634 | 1 | 2 | There’s a saying in college that goes.. C’s get degrees. C’s are fine, just don’t make it a habit. Also, your program should have a counselor that can help guide you in the right path. Take advantage of them, they want you to succeed as much as you do. It’s not a good look for the program if students are failing. Speak to your professors also, they appreciate you wanting to do better as long as you consider their advice. These are things i wish i did while i was struggling. Rather than worrying in my own mind. Best of luck. | I failed Design studio in my second semester. It's all okay, you have to keep reminding yourself of why you're there, and manage your time better. | 0 | 22,598 | 2 | ||
svzf5l | architecture_train | 1 | Is there a book that summarizes dimensions and rules of thumb for domestic design? I'm thinking of stuff like * standard counter heights and depths * standard wall thickness to include in drawing * recommended space between counter and island for easy walking * closet depth for a single row of hanging clothes, or standard depth for a full closet * clearance/width/length of stairs * mini floorplans of, for instance, different ways to put together a functional 7x10 bathroom, or minimum size for a half bath, including clearance for door * tips like doors should open in to the smaller space, for fire safety, except for closets (an example of something I heard of, I'm sure there's a million things I don't know) * max width of a room that can be supported by a standard platform frame construction All the detailed stuff you need to know to go from a sketch to something that could be worked up into a real drawing. | hxk2tfg | hxjndne | 1,645,260,000 | 1,645,248,705 | 3 | 1 | I think it's really important to note that all these standardizations vary between countries. The countertops in the Netherlands are so tall that some American women I know use a little step stool to cook comfortably. | Metric Handbook and Neufert Architects Data. | 1 | 11,295 | 3 | ||
svzf5l | architecture_train | 1 | Is there a book that summarizes dimensions and rules of thumb for domestic design? I'm thinking of stuff like * standard counter heights and depths * standard wall thickness to include in drawing * recommended space between counter and island for easy walking * closet depth for a single row of hanging clothes, or standard depth for a full closet * clearance/width/length of stairs * mini floorplans of, for instance, different ways to put together a functional 7x10 bathroom, or minimum size for a half bath, including clearance for door * tips like doors should open in to the smaller space, for fire safety, except for closets (an example of something I heard of, I'm sure there's a million things I don't know) * max width of a room that can be supported by a standard platform frame construction All the detailed stuff you need to know to go from a sketch to something that could be worked up into a real drawing. | hxk2tfg | hxjt6l0 | 1,645,260,000 | 1,645,252,606 | 3 | 1 | I think it's really important to note that all these standardizations vary between countries. The countertops in the Netherlands are so tall that some American women I know use a little step stool to cook comfortably. | I use the Architect's Handbook | 1 | 7,394 | 3 | ||
svzf5l | architecture_train | 1 | Is there a book that summarizes dimensions and rules of thumb for domestic design? I'm thinking of stuff like * standard counter heights and depths * standard wall thickness to include in drawing * recommended space between counter and island for easy walking * closet depth for a single row of hanging clothes, or standard depth for a full closet * clearance/width/length of stairs * mini floorplans of, for instance, different ways to put together a functional 7x10 bathroom, or minimum size for a half bath, including clearance for door * tips like doors should open in to the smaller space, for fire safety, except for closets (an example of something I heard of, I'm sure there's a million things I don't know) * max width of a room that can be supported by a standard platform frame construction All the detailed stuff you need to know to go from a sketch to something that could be worked up into a real drawing. | hxkljcp | hxjndne | 1,645,274,968 | 1,645,248,705 | 2 | 1 | Human Dimension and Interior Space by Panero and Zelnik has been serving me well for about 21 years now. Everything is notated with in and cm | Metric Handbook and Neufert Architects Data. | 1 | 26,263 | 2 | ||
svzf5l | architecture_train | 1 | Is there a book that summarizes dimensions and rules of thumb for domestic design? I'm thinking of stuff like * standard counter heights and depths * standard wall thickness to include in drawing * recommended space between counter and island for easy walking * closet depth for a single row of hanging clothes, or standard depth for a full closet * clearance/width/length of stairs * mini floorplans of, for instance, different ways to put together a functional 7x10 bathroom, or minimum size for a half bath, including clearance for door * tips like doors should open in to the smaller space, for fire safety, except for closets (an example of something I heard of, I'm sure there's a million things I don't know) * max width of a room that can be supported by a standard platform frame construction All the detailed stuff you need to know to go from a sketch to something that could be worked up into a real drawing. | hxjt6l0 | hxkljcp | 1,645,252,606 | 1,645,274,968 | 1 | 2 | I use the Architect's Handbook | Human Dimension and Interior Space by Panero and Zelnik has been serving me well for about 21 years now. Everything is notated with in and cm | 0 | 22,362 | 2 | ||
svzf5l | architecture_train | 1 | Is there a book that summarizes dimensions and rules of thumb for domestic design? I'm thinking of stuff like * standard counter heights and depths * standard wall thickness to include in drawing * recommended space between counter and island for easy walking * closet depth for a single row of hanging clothes, or standard depth for a full closet * clearance/width/length of stairs * mini floorplans of, for instance, different ways to put together a functional 7x10 bathroom, or minimum size for a half bath, including clearance for door * tips like doors should open in to the smaller space, for fire safety, except for closets (an example of something I heard of, I'm sure there's a million things I don't know) * max width of a room that can be supported by a standard platform frame construction All the detailed stuff you need to know to go from a sketch to something that could be worked up into a real drawing. | hxl4avs | hxjndne | 1,645,284,668 | 1,645,248,705 | 2 | 1 | Check out Architect's Data by Neufert | Metric Handbook and Neufert Architects Data. | 1 | 35,963 | 2 | ||
svzf5l | architecture_train | 1 | Is there a book that summarizes dimensions and rules of thumb for domestic design? I'm thinking of stuff like * standard counter heights and depths * standard wall thickness to include in drawing * recommended space between counter and island for easy walking * closet depth for a single row of hanging clothes, or standard depth for a full closet * clearance/width/length of stairs * mini floorplans of, for instance, different ways to put together a functional 7x10 bathroom, or minimum size for a half bath, including clearance for door * tips like doors should open in to the smaller space, for fire safety, except for closets (an example of something I heard of, I'm sure there's a million things I don't know) * max width of a room that can be supported by a standard platform frame construction All the detailed stuff you need to know to go from a sketch to something that could be worked up into a real drawing. | hxl4avs | hxjt6l0 | 1,645,284,668 | 1,645,252,606 | 2 | 1 | Check out Architect's Data by Neufert | I use the Architect's Handbook | 1 | 32,062 | 2 | ||
izmzph | architecture_train | 0.83 | ask] How to acquire the architectural drawings, sections, and elevations of the Kresge Auditorium concert hall (with dimensions) for research purposes I want to create a SketchUp model of the concert hall inside of the [Kresge Auditorium in Cambridge, Massachusetts USA, but I'm not sure who to contact to get the original architectural plans for it. The architect is no longer living, and neither are any of the acousticians who did the acoustics work. Kresge Auditorium concert hall I've already looked online and found section views and top views, but nothing with dimensions. Section views For context, I'm a fourth-year senior majoring in Acoustical Engineering and Music. As part of my Acoustical Modeling & Auralizations class semester project, I would be modeling a concert hall in SketchUp and then run acoustic tests inside Odeon (room acoustics simulation software) to see how sound propagates throughout the auditorium. Mentioning this while requesting the plans might make the corresponding people more likely to send them to me. I'm just not quite sure who to ask or where to start and figured that maybe the people in this sub might have some experience with this. Any help is appreciated, thanks! | g6jvxv2 | g6jyao2 | 1,601,053,575 | 1,601,054,767 | -1 | 2 | Ask the construction company? | That's a well known building and I'm sure it has been published somwhere. So you will find some plans of it although those will be rouch and more to understand the architecture than the sound design. I don't think you will get detail plans that are necessary for that anywhere. The auditorium themselves might have plans though (in case they ever have to fix something). | 0 | 1,192 | -2 | ||
izmzph | architecture_train | 0.83 | ask] How to acquire the architectural drawings, sections, and elevations of the Kresge Auditorium concert hall (with dimensions) for research purposes I want to create a SketchUp model of the concert hall inside of the [Kresge Auditorium in Cambridge, Massachusetts USA, but I'm not sure who to contact to get the original architectural plans for it. The architect is no longer living, and neither are any of the acousticians who did the acoustics work. Kresge Auditorium concert hall I've already looked online and found section views and top views, but nothing with dimensions. Section views For context, I'm a fourth-year senior majoring in Acoustical Engineering and Music. As part of my Acoustical Modeling & Auralizations class semester project, I would be modeling a concert hall in SketchUp and then run acoustic tests inside Odeon (room acoustics simulation software) to see how sound propagates throughout the auditorium. Mentioning this while requesting the plans might make the corresponding people more likely to send them to me. I'm just not quite sure who to ask or where to start and figured that maybe the people in this sub might have some experience with this. Any help is appreciated, thanks! | g6m2dfo | g6jvxv2 | 1,601,091,385 | 1,601,053,575 | 1 | -1 | I typed in "kresge auditorium plan" into google and got plans and drawings. They look like they are from magazines and some look like detail drawings from the drawing set. You can figure that out if you estimate the person to be 6'-0". It might take a while but you can scale and then piecemeal the plans together. In particular, I believe the black and white ones saved by archdaily on pinterest to be a good start. It has a scale bar and showing first and second floor, albeit only half of each floor. https://www.archdaily.com/492176/ad-classics-kresge-auditorium-eero-saarinen-and-associates/53268df5c07a8042fc000227\_ad-classics-kresge-auditorium-eero-saarinen-and-associates\_plan-png | Ask the construction company? | 1 | 37,810 | -1 | ||
izmzph | architecture_train | 0.83 | ask] How to acquire the architectural drawings, sections, and elevations of the Kresge Auditorium concert hall (with dimensions) for research purposes I want to create a SketchUp model of the concert hall inside of the [Kresge Auditorium in Cambridge, Massachusetts USA, but I'm not sure who to contact to get the original architectural plans for it. The architect is no longer living, and neither are any of the acousticians who did the acoustics work. Kresge Auditorium concert hall I've already looked online and found section views and top views, but nothing with dimensions. Section views For context, I'm a fourth-year senior majoring in Acoustical Engineering and Music. As part of my Acoustical Modeling & Auralizations class semester project, I would be modeling a concert hall in SketchUp and then run acoustic tests inside Odeon (room acoustics simulation software) to see how sound propagates throughout the auditorium. Mentioning this while requesting the plans might make the corresponding people more likely to send them to me. I'm just not quite sure who to ask or where to start and figured that maybe the people in this sub might have some experience with this. Any help is appreciated, thanks! | g6jvxv2 | g6o52wv | 1,601,053,575 | 1,601,122,483 | -1 | 1 | Ask the construction company? | If you find decent drawings you can scale off a door opening or a stair riser. You should be able to get close enough for whatever you are doing. | 0 | 68,908 | -1 | ||
izmzph | architecture_train | 0.83 | ask] How to acquire the architectural drawings, sections, and elevations of the Kresge Auditorium concert hall (with dimensions) for research purposes I want to create a SketchUp model of the concert hall inside of the [Kresge Auditorium in Cambridge, Massachusetts USA, but I'm not sure who to contact to get the original architectural plans for it. The architect is no longer living, and neither are any of the acousticians who did the acoustics work. Kresge Auditorium concert hall I've already looked online and found section views and top views, but nothing with dimensions. Section views For context, I'm a fourth-year senior majoring in Acoustical Engineering and Music. As part of my Acoustical Modeling & Auralizations class semester project, I would be modeling a concert hall in SketchUp and then run acoustic tests inside Odeon (room acoustics simulation software) to see how sound propagates throughout the auditorium. Mentioning this while requesting the plans might make the corresponding people more likely to send them to me. I'm just not quite sure who to ask or where to start and figured that maybe the people in this sub might have some experience with this. Any help is appreciated, thanks! | g6jvxv2 | g6ydes1 | 1,601,053,575 | 1,601,303,458 | -1 | 1 | Ask the construction company? | Tried HABS/HAER yet? https://www.loc.gov/search?new=true&q=Kresge+Cambridge | 0 | 249,883 | -1 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hou0h67 | hot5qwz | 1,639,690,520 | 1,639,678,485 | 5 | 3 | Eames house? Could do it as a box and paint on the windows / coloured panels, etc. | Mcm. Lots of wide planes and exciting angles. I've always wanted Santa in a brutalist fortress. | 1 | 12,035 | 1.666667 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hot9vx5 | hou0h67 | 1,639,680,111 | 1,639,690,520 | 2 | 5 | Fallingwater? | Eames house? Could do it as a box and paint on the windows / coloured panels, etc. | 0 | 10,409 | 2.5 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hot61m8 | hou0h67 | 1,639,678,600 | 1,639,690,520 | 1 | 5 | Wild, I was literally just thinking about this! Best I could come up with was the Ryugyong hotel, but hopefully you'll get some better suggestions that I can steal | Eames house? Could do it as a box and paint on the windows / coloured panels, etc. | 0 | 11,920 | 5 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hou6rth | hot9vx5 | 1,639,693,045 | 1,639,680,111 | 3 | 2 | There is an annual exhibition in London where many of the top architecture firms come together and create gingerbread structures, might be worth taking a look | Fallingwater? | 1 | 12,934 | 1.5 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hou37w6 | hou6rth | 1,639,691,601 | 1,639,693,045 | 2 | 3 | Nakatomi Tower. | There is an annual exhibition in London where many of the top architecture firms come together and create gingerbread structures, might be worth taking a look | 0 | 1,444 | 1.5 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hot61m8 | hou6rth | 1,639,678,600 | 1,639,693,045 | 1 | 3 | Wild, I was literally just thinking about this! Best I could come up with was the Ryugyong hotel, but hopefully you'll get some better suggestions that I can steal | There is an annual exhibition in London where many of the top architecture firms come together and create gingerbread structures, might be worth taking a look | 0 | 14,445 | 3 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hou6nv7 | hou6rth | 1,639,693,000 | 1,639,693,045 | 1 | 3 | Renzo Piano's The Shard | There is an annual exhibition in London where many of the top architecture firms come together and create gingerbread structures, might be worth taking a look | 0 | 45 | 3 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hot9vx5 | hot61m8 | 1,639,680,111 | 1,639,678,600 | 2 | 1 | Fallingwater? | Wild, I was literally just thinking about this! Best I could come up with was the Ryugyong hotel, but hopefully you'll get some better suggestions that I can steal | 1 | 1,511 | 2 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hot61m8 | hou37w6 | 1,639,678,600 | 1,639,691,601 | 1 | 2 | Wild, I was literally just thinking about this! Best I could come up with was the Ryugyong hotel, but hopefully you'll get some better suggestions that I can steal | Nakatomi Tower. | 0 | 13,001 | 2 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | houc3z1 | hot61m8 | 1,639,695,274 | 1,639,678,600 | 2 | 1 | Guggenheim Bilbao, naturally. | Wild, I was literally just thinking about this! Best I could come up with was the Ryugyong hotel, but hopefully you'll get some better suggestions that I can steal | 1 | 16,674 | 2 | ||
rhwdws | architecture_train | 0.86 | To get in the holiday spirit, what's the best building to make into a gingerbread house? My family wanted to build a gingerbread house this year but, being the resident architect, I thought it would be cool to make it interesting with a real project, any ideas that would be both cool and simple to make? | hou6nv7 | houc3z1 | 1,639,693,000 | 1,639,695,274 | 1 | 2 | Renzo Piano's The Shard | Guggenheim Bilbao, naturally. | 0 | 2,274 | 2 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itso7vy | itssx1o | 1,666,744,469 | 1,666,746,598 | 20 | 29 | I've had similar also delivering multi million dollar projects but God forbid someone listens to my advice about anything design or construction related. I think architecture is way too abstract of a concept for most people. I had a friend who couldn't understand what I was doing as an architect, like wasn't it just doing drawings? At the time I was doing a 12-story high-rise corporate office for a large multi-billion dollar corporation. So yeah definitely not just doing drawings. Certainly people understand architecture occurs but man do they not get it. | From my personal experience, the problem lies with residential projects where people in general do no understand the value of hiring an experienced Architect. There is a huge disconnect where people appreciate good design, but do not want to pay for it. After submitting a price or giving advice, if the client doesn’t appreciate it, just wish them well and walk away. Commercial/ Retail, Sports & Entertainment, Mixed-use high rise client typically value an Architect’s services more than the general population. They take the profession seriously and understand the advantage of an experienced Architect leading the consultant team. | 0 | 2,129 | 1.45 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itssx1o | itsq28k | 1,666,746,598 | 1,666,745,298 | 29 | 12 | From my personal experience, the problem lies with residential projects where people in general do no understand the value of hiring an experienced Architect. There is a huge disconnect where people appreciate good design, but do not want to pay for it. After submitting a price or giving advice, if the client doesn’t appreciate it, just wish them well and walk away. Commercial/ Retail, Sports & Entertainment, Mixed-use high rise client typically value an Architect’s services more than the general population. They take the profession seriously and understand the advantage of an experienced Architect leading the consultant team. | Everyone has enough lack of real architectural knowledge to think they’re an architect and it makes them feel cool. Baroque, but true. | 1 | 1,300 | 2.416667 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsq4nn | itssx1o | 1,666,745,327 | 1,666,746,598 | 10 | 29 | Yeah I see this exact same thing happen all the time. People often think that they've seen houses all their lives and therefore know how to build one. A lot of the time, people try to cheap out by skipping the professional and proper way of doing things and just hiring some random, self-proclaimed "designer" who knows how to use Sketchup. There was a case going around my local architectural community a few years ago pre-covid where this homeowner consulted with an architect, didn't really like the price the project was estimated for, and hired some random contractor to design and build the house. Months later, homeowner contacts architect again, enraged because while the contractor got the project started, everything was falling apart, things weren't working, crooked walls, leaks, random height counters that weren't straight, etc. The contractor went AWOL on the client, who ended up spending more than the architect initially estimated in the first place. I'd link the pictures of the project sent by the owner but it's such an old post, it wouldn't be easy digging it out. Lots of people where I live think an architect's job is to make pretty looking, lavish houses. They don't really understand that it's also our job to make functional houses that work with the client's budget. | From my personal experience, the problem lies with residential projects where people in general do no understand the value of hiring an experienced Architect. There is a huge disconnect where people appreciate good design, but do not want to pay for it. After submitting a price or giving advice, if the client doesn’t appreciate it, just wish them well and walk away. Commercial/ Retail, Sports & Entertainment, Mixed-use high rise client typically value an Architect’s services more than the general population. They take the profession seriously and understand the advantage of an experienced Architect leading the consultant team. | 0 | 1,271 | 2.9 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsq28k | itsxiye | 1,666,745,298 | 1,666,748,748 | 12 | 17 | Everyone has enough lack of real architectural knowledge to think they’re an architect and it makes them feel cool. Baroque, but true. | Why would they particularly listen to you? They don’t listen to their teacher friends when it comes to their children’s education, they don’t listen to their doctor friends when it comes to their health, they don’t listen to their lawyer friends when it comes to their legal affairs, they don’t listen to their accountant friends when it comes to their finances, and on and on. It’s not you, it’s them. | 0 | 3,450 | 1.416667 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsxiye | itsq4nn | 1,666,748,748 | 1,666,745,327 | 17 | 10 | Why would they particularly listen to you? They don’t listen to their teacher friends when it comes to their children’s education, they don’t listen to their doctor friends when it comes to their health, they don’t listen to their lawyer friends when it comes to their legal affairs, they don’t listen to their accountant friends when it comes to their finances, and on and on. It’s not you, it’s them. | Yeah I see this exact same thing happen all the time. People often think that they've seen houses all their lives and therefore know how to build one. A lot of the time, people try to cheap out by skipping the professional and proper way of doing things and just hiring some random, self-proclaimed "designer" who knows how to use Sketchup. There was a case going around my local architectural community a few years ago pre-covid where this homeowner consulted with an architect, didn't really like the price the project was estimated for, and hired some random contractor to design and build the house. Months later, homeowner contacts architect again, enraged because while the contractor got the project started, everything was falling apart, things weren't working, crooked walls, leaks, random height counters that weren't straight, etc. The contractor went AWOL on the client, who ended up spending more than the architect initially estimated in the first place. I'd link the pictures of the project sent by the owner but it's such an old post, it wouldn't be easy digging it out. Lots of people where I live think an architect's job is to make pretty looking, lavish houses. They don't really understand that it's also our job to make functional houses that work with the client's budget. | 1 | 3,421 | 1.7 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsv16l | itsxiye | 1,666,747,588 | 1,666,748,748 | 7 | 17 | I have an architect friend whose parents and sister built new houses. They didn’t ask for her help or listen to her advice (she has 15 years experience). I felt sad and annoyed that even her family didn’t respect her capabilities or knowledge. | Why would they particularly listen to you? They don’t listen to their teacher friends when it comes to their children’s education, they don’t listen to their doctor friends when it comes to their health, they don’t listen to their lawyer friends when it comes to their legal affairs, they don’t listen to their accountant friends when it comes to their finances, and on and on. It’s not you, it’s them. | 0 | 1,160 | 2.428571 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsxiye | itsv75d | 1,666,748,748 | 1,666,747,666 | 17 | 6 | Why would they particularly listen to you? They don’t listen to their teacher friends when it comes to their children’s education, they don’t listen to their doctor friends when it comes to their health, they don’t listen to their lawyer friends when it comes to their legal affairs, they don’t listen to their accountant friends when it comes to their finances, and on and on. It’s not you, it’s them. | I never offer help to any friend or relative and just say I'm busy, since finally I would be the one in trouble. Even when I make a small comment, they say that the designer must have thought of it, but hey, they never think... | 1 | 1,082 | 2.833333 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsq28k | ittcgnx | 1,666,745,298 | 1,666,756,329 | 12 | 14 | Everyone has enough lack of real architectural knowledge to think they’re an architect and it makes them feel cool. Baroque, but true. | There's a reason banks have buildings designed by famous architects...HSBC, Bank of China, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs...etc. There's a reason most great museums were designed by great architects. There's a reason great airports were designed by great architects. There's a reason great libraries are designed by architects. There's a reason great stadiums are designed by architects Now if Karen the neighbor doesn't appreciate that she can have her shit house. | 0 | 11,031 | 1.166667 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsq4nn | ittcgnx | 1,666,745,327 | 1,666,756,329 | 10 | 14 | Yeah I see this exact same thing happen all the time. People often think that they've seen houses all their lives and therefore know how to build one. A lot of the time, people try to cheap out by skipping the professional and proper way of doing things and just hiring some random, self-proclaimed "designer" who knows how to use Sketchup. There was a case going around my local architectural community a few years ago pre-covid where this homeowner consulted with an architect, didn't really like the price the project was estimated for, and hired some random contractor to design and build the house. Months later, homeowner contacts architect again, enraged because while the contractor got the project started, everything was falling apart, things weren't working, crooked walls, leaks, random height counters that weren't straight, etc. The contractor went AWOL on the client, who ended up spending more than the architect initially estimated in the first place. I'd link the pictures of the project sent by the owner but it's such an old post, it wouldn't be easy digging it out. Lots of people where I live think an architect's job is to make pretty looking, lavish houses. They don't really understand that it's also our job to make functional houses that work with the client's budget. | There's a reason banks have buildings designed by famous architects...HSBC, Bank of China, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs...etc. There's a reason most great museums were designed by great architects. There's a reason great airports were designed by great architects. There's a reason great libraries are designed by architects. There's a reason great stadiums are designed by architects Now if Karen the neighbor doesn't appreciate that she can have her shit house. | 0 | 11,002 | 1.4 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itt33bm | ittcgnx | 1,666,751,397 | 1,666,756,329 | 10 | 14 | We as laypeople do in an abstract sense. We know you need a professional license to do it and it takes a long time to get one, but we have no idea of the nut and bolts. We just don’t realize all the complexity and nuances of doing it right, especially when we ask you to draw up a floor plan for a house and it looks obvious to us after the fact. We don’t know what we don’t know, lol. Good design looks effortless after the fact. The lightbulb comes on after you tried to draw it up yourself and then show it to a real architect, and they correct all the rookie mistakes you didn’t even know you didn’t know. Money well spent. | There's a reason banks have buildings designed by famous architects...HSBC, Bank of China, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs...etc. There's a reason most great museums were designed by great architects. There's a reason great airports were designed by great architects. There's a reason great libraries are designed by architects. There's a reason great stadiums are designed by architects Now if Karen the neighbor doesn't appreciate that she can have her shit house. | 0 | 4,932 | 1.4 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsv16l | ittcgnx | 1,666,747,588 | 1,666,756,329 | 7 | 14 | I have an architect friend whose parents and sister built new houses. They didn’t ask for her help or listen to her advice (she has 15 years experience). I felt sad and annoyed that even her family didn’t respect her capabilities or knowledge. | There's a reason banks have buildings designed by famous architects...HSBC, Bank of China, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs...etc. There's a reason most great museums were designed by great architects. There's a reason great airports were designed by great architects. There's a reason great libraries are designed by architects. There's a reason great stadiums are designed by architects Now if Karen the neighbor doesn't appreciate that she can have her shit house. | 0 | 8,741 | 2 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsv75d | ittcgnx | 1,666,747,666 | 1,666,756,329 | 6 | 14 | I never offer help to any friend or relative and just say I'm busy, since finally I would be the one in trouble. Even when I make a small comment, they say that the designer must have thought of it, but hey, they never think... | There's a reason banks have buildings designed by famous architects...HSBC, Bank of China, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs...etc. There's a reason most great museums were designed by great architects. There's a reason great airports were designed by great architects. There's a reason great libraries are designed by architects. There's a reason great stadiums are designed by architects Now if Karen the neighbor doesn't appreciate that she can have her shit house. | 0 | 8,663 | 2.333333 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittcgnx | itt488e | 1,666,756,329 | 1,666,751,959 | 14 | 6 | There's a reason banks have buildings designed by famous architects...HSBC, Bank of China, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs...etc. There's a reason most great museums were designed by great architects. There's a reason great airports were designed by great architects. There's a reason great libraries are designed by architects. There's a reason great stadiums are designed by architects Now if Karen the neighbor doesn't appreciate that she can have her shit house. | Even the profession doesn't take itself seriously. Look at the pay scale and you'll see that the only way you're making something even close to a worthy salary now with inflation is if you're the principal of a large firm. | 1 | 4,370 | 2.333333 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsv16l | itt33bm | 1,666,747,588 | 1,666,751,397 | 7 | 10 | I have an architect friend whose parents and sister built new houses. They didn’t ask for her help or listen to her advice (she has 15 years experience). I felt sad and annoyed that even her family didn’t respect her capabilities or knowledge. | We as laypeople do in an abstract sense. We know you need a professional license to do it and it takes a long time to get one, but we have no idea of the nut and bolts. We just don’t realize all the complexity and nuances of doing it right, especially when we ask you to draw up a floor plan for a house and it looks obvious to us after the fact. We don’t know what we don’t know, lol. Good design looks effortless after the fact. The lightbulb comes on after you tried to draw it up yourself and then show it to a real architect, and they correct all the rookie mistakes you didn’t even know you didn’t know. Money well spent. | 0 | 3,809 | 1.428571 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itt33bm | itsv75d | 1,666,751,397 | 1,666,747,666 | 10 | 6 | We as laypeople do in an abstract sense. We know you need a professional license to do it and it takes a long time to get one, but we have no idea of the nut and bolts. We just don’t realize all the complexity and nuances of doing it right, especially when we ask you to draw up a floor plan for a house and it looks obvious to us after the fact. We don’t know what we don’t know, lol. Good design looks effortless after the fact. The lightbulb comes on after you tried to draw it up yourself and then show it to a real architect, and they correct all the rookie mistakes you didn’t even know you didn’t know. Money well spent. | I never offer help to any friend or relative and just say I'm busy, since finally I would be the one in trouble. Even when I make a small comment, they say that the designer must have thought of it, but hey, they never think... | 1 | 3,731 | 1.666667 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsv16l | itttjil | 1,666,747,588 | 1,666,768,393 | 7 | 8 | I have an architect friend whose parents and sister built new houses. They didn’t ask for her help or listen to her advice (she has 15 years experience). I felt sad and annoyed that even her family didn’t respect her capabilities or knowledge. | A friend of mine approached me to help with some preliminary designs for a small housing development that he's involved with. It's spec-work, but I thought whatever I have some free time, I can churn out some designs and make something pretty. He then gives me access to the Google-drive full of information relating to the proposed development: municipal approvals, Traffic Impact Assessments, site diagrams, etc. He also sends me thousands of images of shipping container houses and tells me that that is what I should be designing. After little more than half an hour of simply skimming the contents, it became abundantly clear that there is no provision for drinking water nor sewage removal. The report on available water classified its use for irrigation, provided for from a borehole. No provision is made for power either. It clearly indicates on the Service Level Agreement with the municipality and in all the approvals that these things will be the responsibility of the owner, and that these responsibilities cannot be transferred to another party without explicit authorization from the municipality. Worst of all: its location is absolutely trash. It's far from cities, work, amenities, etc... It looks pretty barren in the area... Now, at this point, there hasn't even been a modicum of application of my architectural skill, I only had to open my eyes and read. I told my friend about these problems, and he says "naaah don't worry about it, so-and-so said it isn't a problem so it isn't a problem. You're the architect, just draw your pretty pictures." I told him I am not going to get involved anymore and he got really upset with me. (Wonder why) The rest of this thread is on-point btw. | 0 | 20,805 | 1.142857 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itttjil | itthqsj | 1,666,768,393 | 1,666,759,510 | 8 | 5 | A friend of mine approached me to help with some preliminary designs for a small housing development that he's involved with. It's spec-work, but I thought whatever I have some free time, I can churn out some designs and make something pretty. He then gives me access to the Google-drive full of information relating to the proposed development: municipal approvals, Traffic Impact Assessments, site diagrams, etc. He also sends me thousands of images of shipping container houses and tells me that that is what I should be designing. After little more than half an hour of simply skimming the contents, it became abundantly clear that there is no provision for drinking water nor sewage removal. The report on available water classified its use for irrigation, provided for from a borehole. No provision is made for power either. It clearly indicates on the Service Level Agreement with the municipality and in all the approvals that these things will be the responsibility of the owner, and that these responsibilities cannot be transferred to another party without explicit authorization from the municipality. Worst of all: its location is absolutely trash. It's far from cities, work, amenities, etc... It looks pretty barren in the area... Now, at this point, there hasn't even been a modicum of application of my architectural skill, I only had to open my eyes and read. I told my friend about these problems, and he says "naaah don't worry about it, so-and-so said it isn't a problem so it isn't a problem. You're the architect, just draw your pretty pictures." I told him I am not going to get involved anymore and he got really upset with me. (Wonder why) The rest of this thread is on-point btw. | This is not unique to architects. It’s similar stories for all industries to be honest. Take a look at the Dunning Kruger effect. It’s more of a reality that many people you work with or for trivialise that which they don’t understand. /source. Industrial designer who has spent a career in software & UX design, especially around architectural / CAD industries. Your experience is the same that I’ve seen in both industrial, as well as UX personally. It’s also something I’ve seen colleagues in security, software development, HVAC / MEP, engineering, operations etc… repeat from their perspectives. | 1 | 8,883 | 1.6 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itttjil | itsv75d | 1,666,768,393 | 1,666,747,666 | 8 | 6 | A friend of mine approached me to help with some preliminary designs for a small housing development that he's involved with. It's spec-work, but I thought whatever I have some free time, I can churn out some designs and make something pretty. He then gives me access to the Google-drive full of information relating to the proposed development: municipal approvals, Traffic Impact Assessments, site diagrams, etc. He also sends me thousands of images of shipping container houses and tells me that that is what I should be designing. After little more than half an hour of simply skimming the contents, it became abundantly clear that there is no provision for drinking water nor sewage removal. The report on available water classified its use for irrigation, provided for from a borehole. No provision is made for power either. It clearly indicates on the Service Level Agreement with the municipality and in all the approvals that these things will be the responsibility of the owner, and that these responsibilities cannot be transferred to another party without explicit authorization from the municipality. Worst of all: its location is absolutely trash. It's far from cities, work, amenities, etc... It looks pretty barren in the area... Now, at this point, there hasn't even been a modicum of application of my architectural skill, I only had to open my eyes and read. I told my friend about these problems, and he says "naaah don't worry about it, so-and-so said it isn't a problem so it isn't a problem. You're the architect, just draw your pretty pictures." I told him I am not going to get involved anymore and he got really upset with me. (Wonder why) The rest of this thread is on-point btw. | I never offer help to any friend or relative and just say I'm busy, since finally I would be the one in trouble. Even when I make a small comment, they say that the designer must have thought of it, but hey, they never think... | 1 | 20,727 | 1.333333 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itttjil | itt488e | 1,666,768,393 | 1,666,751,959 | 8 | 6 | A friend of mine approached me to help with some preliminary designs for a small housing development that he's involved with. It's spec-work, but I thought whatever I have some free time, I can churn out some designs and make something pretty. He then gives me access to the Google-drive full of information relating to the proposed development: municipal approvals, Traffic Impact Assessments, site diagrams, etc. He also sends me thousands of images of shipping container houses and tells me that that is what I should be designing. After little more than half an hour of simply skimming the contents, it became abundantly clear that there is no provision for drinking water nor sewage removal. The report on available water classified its use for irrigation, provided for from a borehole. No provision is made for power either. It clearly indicates on the Service Level Agreement with the municipality and in all the approvals that these things will be the responsibility of the owner, and that these responsibilities cannot be transferred to another party without explicit authorization from the municipality. Worst of all: its location is absolutely trash. It's far from cities, work, amenities, etc... It looks pretty barren in the area... Now, at this point, there hasn't even been a modicum of application of my architectural skill, I only had to open my eyes and read. I told my friend about these problems, and he says "naaah don't worry about it, so-and-so said it isn't a problem so it isn't a problem. You're the architect, just draw your pretty pictures." I told him I am not going to get involved anymore and he got really upset with me. (Wonder why) The rest of this thread is on-point btw. | Even the profession doesn't take itself seriously. Look at the pay scale and you'll see that the only way you're making something even close to a worthy salary now with inflation is if you're the principal of a large firm. | 1 | 16,434 | 1.333333 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittr49j | itttjil | 1,666,766,368 | 1,666,768,393 | 3 | 8 | Everyday… we deal with this every day. | A friend of mine approached me to help with some preliminary designs for a small housing development that he's involved with. It's spec-work, but I thought whatever I have some free time, I can churn out some designs and make something pretty. He then gives me access to the Google-drive full of information relating to the proposed development: municipal approvals, Traffic Impact Assessments, site diagrams, etc. He also sends me thousands of images of shipping container houses and tells me that that is what I should be designing. After little more than half an hour of simply skimming the contents, it became abundantly clear that there is no provision for drinking water nor sewage removal. The report on available water classified its use for irrigation, provided for from a borehole. No provision is made for power either. It clearly indicates on the Service Level Agreement with the municipality and in all the approvals that these things will be the responsibility of the owner, and that these responsibilities cannot be transferred to another party without explicit authorization from the municipality. Worst of all: its location is absolutely trash. It's far from cities, work, amenities, etc... It looks pretty barren in the area... Now, at this point, there hasn't even been a modicum of application of my architectural skill, I only had to open my eyes and read. I told my friend about these problems, and he says "naaah don't worry about it, so-and-so said it isn't a problem so it isn't a problem. You're the architect, just draw your pretty pictures." I told him I am not going to get involved anymore and he got really upset with me. (Wonder why) The rest of this thread is on-point btw. | 0 | 2,025 | 2.666667 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itttjil | ittfqdm | 1,666,768,393 | 1,666,758,249 | 8 | -1 | A friend of mine approached me to help with some preliminary designs for a small housing development that he's involved with. It's spec-work, but I thought whatever I have some free time, I can churn out some designs and make something pretty. He then gives me access to the Google-drive full of information relating to the proposed development: municipal approvals, Traffic Impact Assessments, site diagrams, etc. He also sends me thousands of images of shipping container houses and tells me that that is what I should be designing. After little more than half an hour of simply skimming the contents, it became abundantly clear that there is no provision for drinking water nor sewage removal. The report on available water classified its use for irrigation, provided for from a borehole. No provision is made for power either. It clearly indicates on the Service Level Agreement with the municipality and in all the approvals that these things will be the responsibility of the owner, and that these responsibilities cannot be transferred to another party without explicit authorization from the municipality. Worst of all: its location is absolutely trash. It's far from cities, work, amenities, etc... It looks pretty barren in the area... Now, at this point, there hasn't even been a modicum of application of my architectural skill, I only had to open my eyes and read. I told my friend about these problems, and he says "naaah don't worry about it, so-and-so said it isn't a problem so it isn't a problem. You're the architect, just draw your pretty pictures." I told him I am not going to get involved anymore and he got really upset with me. (Wonder why) The rest of this thread is on-point btw. | I'll respect architects when they kill AIA contracts and start using consensus docs. | 1 | 10,144 | -8 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itsv16l | ittt5i3 | 1,666,747,588 | 1,666,768,064 | 7 | 8 | I have an architect friend whose parents and sister built new houses. They didn’t ask for her help or listen to her advice (she has 15 years experience). I felt sad and annoyed that even her family didn’t respect her capabilities or knowledge. | I'm still a student and we've just had a series of lectures/discussions with guest speakers on this very topic. He said an interesting thing: there is a certain type of person, a certain class of client, who takes architeture seriously and knows what it's all about. It's typically the people who can either afford to do multiple renovations or new builds or corporate developers who take the profession seriously. Or at least seriously enough. People who only get to build one house in their life or people who just need something small just don't have enough experience with architects to understand why we are needed. As for the examples you mentioned, I think plenty of professionals and other folks in the construction industry has this problem. I bet every doctor, lawyer, plumber, electrician, pharmacist and more have at least one story of some client who thought they knew better. I think its just a case of people making up their minds about how they *think* something should work, and then end up baffled when it doesn't work like that. | 0 | 20,476 | 1.142857 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itthqsj | ittt5i3 | 1,666,759,510 | 1,666,768,064 | 5 | 8 | This is not unique to architects. It’s similar stories for all industries to be honest. Take a look at the Dunning Kruger effect. It’s more of a reality that many people you work with or for trivialise that which they don’t understand. /source. Industrial designer who has spent a career in software & UX design, especially around architectural / CAD industries. Your experience is the same that I’ve seen in both industrial, as well as UX personally. It’s also something I’ve seen colleagues in security, software development, HVAC / MEP, engineering, operations etc… repeat from their perspectives. | I'm still a student and we've just had a series of lectures/discussions with guest speakers on this very topic. He said an interesting thing: there is a certain type of person, a certain class of client, who takes architeture seriously and knows what it's all about. It's typically the people who can either afford to do multiple renovations or new builds or corporate developers who take the profession seriously. Or at least seriously enough. People who only get to build one house in their life or people who just need something small just don't have enough experience with architects to understand why we are needed. As for the examples you mentioned, I think plenty of professionals and other folks in the construction industry has this problem. I bet every doctor, lawyer, plumber, electrician, pharmacist and more have at least one story of some client who thought they knew better. I think its just a case of people making up their minds about how they *think* something should work, and then end up baffled when it doesn't work like that. | 0 | 8,554 | 1.6 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittt5i3 | itsv75d | 1,666,768,064 | 1,666,747,666 | 8 | 6 | I'm still a student and we've just had a series of lectures/discussions with guest speakers on this very topic. He said an interesting thing: there is a certain type of person, a certain class of client, who takes architeture seriously and knows what it's all about. It's typically the people who can either afford to do multiple renovations or new builds or corporate developers who take the profession seriously. Or at least seriously enough. People who only get to build one house in their life or people who just need something small just don't have enough experience with architects to understand why we are needed. As for the examples you mentioned, I think plenty of professionals and other folks in the construction industry has this problem. I bet every doctor, lawyer, plumber, electrician, pharmacist and more have at least one story of some client who thought they knew better. I think its just a case of people making up their minds about how they *think* something should work, and then end up baffled when it doesn't work like that. | I never offer help to any friend or relative and just say I'm busy, since finally I would be the one in trouble. Even when I make a small comment, they say that the designer must have thought of it, but hey, they never think... | 1 | 20,398 | 1.333333 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itt488e | ittt5i3 | 1,666,751,959 | 1,666,768,064 | 6 | 8 | Even the profession doesn't take itself seriously. Look at the pay scale and you'll see that the only way you're making something even close to a worthy salary now with inflation is if you're the principal of a large firm. | I'm still a student and we've just had a series of lectures/discussions with guest speakers on this very topic. He said an interesting thing: there is a certain type of person, a certain class of client, who takes architeture seriously and knows what it's all about. It's typically the people who can either afford to do multiple renovations or new builds or corporate developers who take the profession seriously. Or at least seriously enough. People who only get to build one house in their life or people who just need something small just don't have enough experience with architects to understand why we are needed. As for the examples you mentioned, I think plenty of professionals and other folks in the construction industry has this problem. I bet every doctor, lawyer, plumber, electrician, pharmacist and more have at least one story of some client who thought they knew better. I think its just a case of people making up their minds about how they *think* something should work, and then end up baffled when it doesn't work like that. | 0 | 16,105 | 1.333333 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittr49j | ittt5i3 | 1,666,766,368 | 1,666,768,064 | 3 | 8 | Everyday… we deal with this every day. | I'm still a student and we've just had a series of lectures/discussions with guest speakers on this very topic. He said an interesting thing: there is a certain type of person, a certain class of client, who takes architeture seriously and knows what it's all about. It's typically the people who can either afford to do multiple renovations or new builds or corporate developers who take the profession seriously. Or at least seriously enough. People who only get to build one house in their life or people who just need something small just don't have enough experience with architects to understand why we are needed. As for the examples you mentioned, I think plenty of professionals and other folks in the construction industry has this problem. I bet every doctor, lawyer, plumber, electrician, pharmacist and more have at least one story of some client who thought they knew better. I think its just a case of people making up their minds about how they *think* something should work, and then end up baffled when it doesn't work like that. | 0 | 1,696 | 2.666667 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittfqdm | ittt5i3 | 1,666,758,249 | 1,666,768,064 | -1 | 8 | I'll respect architects when they kill AIA contracts and start using consensus docs. | I'm still a student and we've just had a series of lectures/discussions with guest speakers on this very topic. He said an interesting thing: there is a certain type of person, a certain class of client, who takes architeture seriously and knows what it's all about. It's typically the people who can either afford to do multiple renovations or new builds or corporate developers who take the profession seriously. Or at least seriously enough. People who only get to build one house in their life or people who just need something small just don't have enough experience with architects to understand why we are needed. As for the examples you mentioned, I think plenty of professionals and other folks in the construction industry has this problem. I bet every doctor, lawyer, plumber, electrician, pharmacist and more have at least one story of some client who thought they knew better. I think its just a case of people making up their minds about how they *think* something should work, and then end up baffled when it doesn't work like that. | 0 | 9,815 | -8 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itthqsj | ittfqdm | 1,666,759,510 | 1,666,758,249 | 5 | -1 | This is not unique to architects. It’s similar stories for all industries to be honest. Take a look at the Dunning Kruger effect. It’s more of a reality that many people you work with or for trivialise that which they don’t understand. /source. Industrial designer who has spent a career in software & UX design, especially around architectural / CAD industries. Your experience is the same that I’ve seen in both industrial, as well as UX personally. It’s also something I’ve seen colleagues in security, software development, HVAC / MEP, engineering, operations etc… repeat from their perspectives. | I'll respect architects when they kill AIA contracts and start using consensus docs. | 1 | 1,261 | -5 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittxspp | itui29n | 1,666,772,139 | 1,666,787,177 | 2 | 3 | What I learned is that most people only ever build a house or renovate their home once in their lifetime. These same people do not have the experience of owning multiple properties nor do they have the budget to do so, so not only do they have no experience, they also have no idea what is important. So if they see something seemingly cheap and visually appealing they are going to go with that person, and once their mind is set no amount of convincing will change their opinion - that is until shit hits the fan. | Got an architect relative. I read some stuff on vernacular architecture so I understand what she was trying to do when building her apartment but the rest of the extended family don't. For example planting trees and shrubbery to block road dust, high ceiling and ventilation bricks, liberal use of glass for natural lighting, etc. Most common criticism was about the shrubbery, it goes against Feng Shui and what not. Next was the high ceiling, rent revenue per floor vs comfort. And not burglar proof due to use of glass. Needless to say, no one backs down and still find stuff to nitpick and unknown things to fear about even when their houses are hot and humid as muck and the need to use CFL lights during day time. Mainly it is ego and fearing the unknown. | 0 | 15,038 | 1.5 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittfqdm | itui29n | 1,666,758,249 | 1,666,787,177 | -1 | 3 | I'll respect architects when they kill AIA contracts and start using consensus docs. | Got an architect relative. I read some stuff on vernacular architecture so I understand what she was trying to do when building her apartment but the rest of the extended family don't. For example planting trees and shrubbery to block road dust, high ceiling and ventilation bricks, liberal use of glass for natural lighting, etc. Most common criticism was about the shrubbery, it goes against Feng Shui and what not. Next was the high ceiling, rent revenue per floor vs comfort. And not burglar proof due to use of glass. Needless to say, no one backs down and still find stuff to nitpick and unknown things to fear about even when their houses are hot and humid as muck and the need to use CFL lights during day time. Mainly it is ego and fearing the unknown. | 0 | 28,928 | -3 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittr49j | ittfqdm | 1,666,766,368 | 1,666,758,249 | 3 | -1 | Everyday… we deal with this every day. | I'll respect architects when they kill AIA contracts and start using consensus docs. | 1 | 8,119 | -3 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittxspp | ittfqdm | 1,666,772,139 | 1,666,758,249 | 2 | -1 | What I learned is that most people only ever build a house or renovate their home once in their lifetime. These same people do not have the experience of owning multiple properties nor do they have the budget to do so, so not only do they have no experience, they also have no idea what is important. So if they see something seemingly cheap and visually appealing they are going to go with that person, and once their mind is set no amount of convincing will change their opinion - that is until shit hits the fan. | I'll respect architects when they kill AIA contracts and start using consensus docs. | 1 | 13,890 | -2 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | itui715 | ittfqdm | 1,666,787,250 | 1,666,758,249 | 2 | -1 | Do you think a professional football player feels the same way playing football with their random friends? | I'll respect architects when they kill AIA contracts and start using consensus docs. | 1 | 29,001 | -2 | ||
ydk7ta | architecture_train | 0.86 | In general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Hi All, just a question reflecting on a recent experience I have had with a friend that ties through with many experiences I have had with being an architect. In this particular situation a friend had asked me for some help with their interior design project. They informed me they found a designer, but that ‘designer’ couldn’t produce drawings and proposed unreasonable timescales. I advised against using them. My friend ignored me. 3 months down the line I’m being begged for drawings, on the same day the project is starting on site. This is clearly a disaster and as a professional I have numerous questions about how this project has been designed and tendered for, but whatever, I agree to help and contact this designer asking for all the design information on the project. This designer then calls my friend in a panic, saying they refuse to give me any drawings and my friend then tells me to back off! Walking away from this makes me think about how there is a consistent thread, that while I have delivered million pound projects on site, the people around me just won’t listen to me when it comes to architectural advice. So architects of reddit, in general, do people actually take our profession seriously? Further examples include my neighbour wanted to build a house in their garden, so I investigated and I wrote him a lengthy feasibility with all the surveys he would require; he refused to read it and kept asking me why he couldn’t just get on with it. He had protected trees in the way. I told him this. I highlighted which ones they were in the report. I referred to the legislation. He kept phoning and just asking me the same question until I stopped answering. (How do you deal with that awkwardness by the way?) My parent’s house is freezing and the walls only measure 200mm thick, but they’re insistent they have an insulated cavity wall. My FIL demanded drawings for a patio, then ignored them, thought he knew better and overruled them, telling the builder to build the slab in line with the door threshold (bye bye any vertical room for the tiles). Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? It’s driving me mad! | ittfqdm | itvlgii | 1,666,758,249 | 1,666,803,898 | -1 | 2 | I'll respect architects when they kill AIA contracts and start using consensus docs. | People think that building a house... not even, building something as simple as a shed is not unlike baking a cake: You put the ingredients together, put the thing in the oven for 25 minutes and boom! a cake is done. They really do not understand how complex it is to even start to frame an architectural project. They do not know of any of the fore work, the permits, the law, the hiring, the purchases, the contracts, the shortcomings, the constructive details, etc. So, in absence of this knowledge they think architects are dummies who charge hundreds for little drawings. They know better because they've seen the remodeling twins in Film and Arts. It is not un till they are knee deep in problems with holes in the dirt, without proper power permits, flooding in public water and with builders and or contractors making the deal of the year out of their money that they beg for an architect to help them and it is way too late. My mother for instance, bought land to build a little house for my sister. She never even mentioned having me involved in the project. I'd bet she still sees me in diapers, even though I'm almost 40. I would have been happy to help. Instead she hired a builder to install a prefab house. They did no even give technical specifications. Just a simple plan. She was OK with that. By that time I had to travel, so a few months after when I came back, my dad showed me a video of two builders hammering nails through the wooden soles into the concrete slab. He asked me if that is how they normally fix inner walls to the floor. It is not. Then he showed me pictures of the roof, which was a few sheets of corrugated metal nailed directly over the rafters. No insulation. The whole thing looked like a 40m² shed. I told my mom she was being ripped of. She became antagonistic "Don't destroy your sister's dream"'. I stood away. A few weeks later she apologetically asked me if I wanted to go to the site and check it out. I told her it was too late. Who I'm I to go there out of the blue and tell the workers they are doing their job wrong. There was no foreman on site, no project ledger, not any type of quality control mechanism. Just a mother\*\*\*\*\* scamming my clueless mother. | 0 | 45,649 | -2 |
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