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WV - My girlfriend works as an RA at a university, and they’ve told her she’s not allowed to work more than 10 hours anywhere besides the university. Is this legal? She’s been working as an RA for a while and recently picked up a promotion, but they’ve told her the entire time that she’s only allowed to work 10 hours a week total. So she can’t go pick up weekend shifts at Walmart or wherever and make any extra money. Is this totally legal? If it’s not, what can she do to express that tactfully, and what resources can she use to convey that she in fact can work more than they want to allow? Thanks a bunch everyone.

dsoyh5q

dsoyfkb

If it's in her agreement, yes, it's legal. An RA is a resource for the students in the dorm. Having RAs who are never there between work and classes and their social lives isn't beneficial to the school or the students.

Yes it is legal. They can set any conditions of employment unless it is discrimination of a protected class. She accepts them by working there.

7qg8gn

legaladvice_train

WV - My girlfriend works as an RA at a university, and they’ve told her she’s not allowed to work more than 10 hours anywhere besides the university. Is this legal? She’s been working as an RA for a while and recently picked up a promotion, but they’ve told her the entire time that she’s only allowed to work 10 hours a week total. So she can’t go pick up weekend shifts at Walmart or wherever and make any extra money. Is this totally legal? If it’s not, what can she do to express that tactfully, and what resources can she use to convey that she in fact can work more than they want to allow? Thanks a bunch everyone.

dsoygfo

dsoyh5q

It's legal for them to fire her as an RA if she has another job.

If it's in her agreement, yes, it's legal. An RA is a resource for the students in the dorm. Having RAs who are never there between work and classes and their social lives isn't beneficial to the school or the students.

zmdpcp

legaladvice_train

My GF made me write a signed document stating that if I cheat on her again, I have to send her $10k. Will this actually hold any power over me? The location is Charlotte, North Carolina. It's not that I will ever cheat on her, it's just scary giving rise to the possibility of this being held over me, and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up. She was recording me write it but didn't get me signing it on camera. I'm mainly looking for peace of mind that it can't actually be used against me and it was honestly just supposed to be kind of funny for us and a way to help us move on, but the more I think about it, the more its kinda freakin me out. Heres a link to a photo of it. https://imgur.com/a/BDri8rz Any help is appreciated!

j0b2io0

j0alhko

>and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up If you break up with her, you can't be cheating on her. But it only specifies women, so you can engage with men as much as you want, so go wild! As others have mentioned, I don't think this would hold up and you two really should just move on from one another.

It appears to lack consideration. A contract requires consideration. Consideration being what she offers in return for the consideration you provided her. Both parties must offer some form of consideration. For instance, a piece of paper that says "IOU $60 dollars - signed X" is worthless because it lacks consideration. But a piece of paper that says "IOU $60 dollars in exchange for mowing my yard - signed X" is enforceable. Because the consideration exchanged for that $60 dollars is mowing the yard. Consideration must be provided by both parties.

zmdpcp

legaladvice_train

My GF made me write a signed document stating that if I cheat on her again, I have to send her $10k. Will this actually hold any power over me? The location is Charlotte, North Carolina. It's not that I will ever cheat on her, it's just scary giving rise to the possibility of this being held over me, and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up. She was recording me write it but didn't get me signing it on camera. I'm mainly looking for peace of mind that it can't actually be used against me and it was honestly just supposed to be kind of funny for us and a way to help us move on, but the more I think about it, the more its kinda freakin me out. Heres a link to a photo of it. https://imgur.com/a/BDri8rz Any help is appreciated!

j0b2io0

j0ajhvd

>and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up If you break up with her, you can't be cheating on her. But it only specifies women, so you can engage with men as much as you want, so go wild! As others have mentioned, I don't think this would hold up and you two really should just move on from one another.

The document does not mention when you would need the pay the money or give a puppy. Also, you need to pay Alyssa the money but who is Alyssa? Is it the same Alyssa whose names is blanked out? There are many things wrong with this document.

zmdpcp

legaladvice_train

My GF made me write a signed document stating that if I cheat on her again, I have to send her $10k. Will this actually hold any power over me? The location is Charlotte, North Carolina. It's not that I will ever cheat on her, it's just scary giving rise to the possibility of this being held over me, and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up. She was recording me write it but didn't get me signing it on camera. I'm mainly looking for peace of mind that it can't actually be used against me and it was honestly just supposed to be kind of funny for us and a way to help us move on, but the more I think about it, the more its kinda freakin me out. Heres a link to a photo of it. https://imgur.com/a/BDri8rz Any help is appreciated!

j0aibyi

j0b2io0

No.

>and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up If you break up with her, you can't be cheating on her. But it only specifies women, so you can engage with men as much as you want, so go wild! As others have mentioned, I don't think this would hold up and you two really should just move on from one another.

zmdpcp

legaladvice_train

My GF made me write a signed document stating that if I cheat on her again, I have to send her $10k. Will this actually hold any power over me? The location is Charlotte, North Carolina. It's not that I will ever cheat on her, it's just scary giving rise to the possibility of this being held over me, and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up. She was recording me write it but didn't get me signing it on camera. I'm mainly looking for peace of mind that it can't actually be used against me and it was honestly just supposed to be kind of funny for us and a way to help us move on, but the more I think about it, the more its kinda freakin me out. Heres a link to a photo of it. https://imgur.com/a/BDri8rz Any help is appreciated!

j0ajhvd

j0alhko

The document does not mention when you would need the pay the money or give a puppy. Also, you need to pay Alyssa the money but who is Alyssa? Is it the same Alyssa whose names is blanked out? There are many things wrong with this document.

It appears to lack consideration. A contract requires consideration. Consideration being what she offers in return for the consideration you provided her. Both parties must offer some form of consideration. For instance, a piece of paper that says "IOU $60 dollars - signed X" is worthless because it lacks consideration. But a piece of paper that says "IOU $60 dollars in exchange for mowing my yard - signed X" is enforceable. Because the consideration exchanged for that $60 dollars is mowing the yard. Consideration must be provided by both parties.

zmdpcp

legaladvice_train

My GF made me write a signed document stating that if I cheat on her again, I have to send her $10k. Will this actually hold any power over me? The location is Charlotte, North Carolina. It's not that I will ever cheat on her, it's just scary giving rise to the possibility of this being held over me, and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up. She was recording me write it but didn't get me signing it on camera. I'm mainly looking for peace of mind that it can't actually be used against me and it was honestly just supposed to be kind of funny for us and a way to help us move on, but the more I think about it, the more its kinda freakin me out. Heres a link to a photo of it. https://imgur.com/a/BDri8rz Any help is appreciated!

j0alhko

j0aibyi

It appears to lack consideration. A contract requires consideration. Consideration being what she offers in return for the consideration you provided her. Both parties must offer some form of consideration. For instance, a piece of paper that says "IOU $60 dollars - signed X" is worthless because it lacks consideration. But a piece of paper that says "IOU $60 dollars in exchange for mowing my yard - signed X" is enforceable. Because the consideration exchanged for that $60 dollars is mowing the yard. Consideration must be provided by both parties.

No.

zmdpcp

legaladvice_train

My GF made me write a signed document stating that if I cheat on her again, I have to send her $10k. Will this actually hold any power over me? The location is Charlotte, North Carolina. It's not that I will ever cheat on her, it's just scary giving rise to the possibility of this being held over me, and it wasn't even written in there that it becomes void if we break up. She was recording me write it but didn't get me signing it on camera. I'm mainly looking for peace of mind that it can't actually be used against me and it was honestly just supposed to be kind of funny for us and a way to help us move on, but the more I think about it, the more its kinda freakin me out. Heres a link to a photo of it. https://imgur.com/a/BDri8rz Any help is appreciated!

j0ajhvd

j0aibyi

The document does not mention when you would need the pay the money or give a puppy. Also, you need to pay Alyssa the money but who is Alyssa? Is it the same Alyssa whose names is blanked out? There are many things wrong with this document.

No.

l2sdrp

legaladvice_train

Wife using breast pump at work and coworkers are giving her a hard time - VA My wife and I have a 4 month old. She works at a public high school. Each day she is allotted 2-3 breaks per day to pump. These breaks are at specific times based on her schedule. Originally, they tried to put her in a bathroom to pump, but she objected. So then they found a break room with running water and a refrigerator and created a makeshift "room" using tall filing cabinets. She is fine with this arrangement. Initially there were times where supervisors are upset with her because she can't cover other teacher's classes due to her pumping schedule. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it stresses her out. Now there is one particular woman who isn't happy the my wife is pumping in this room. I guess because other people are in there. This woman started a text chain with everyone in the special education department (wife's department) except my wife. The purpose of this was this lady asking if anyone else had a problem with my wife pumping in that room. My wife found out about this when a friend of hers told her about the text chain because she didn't want to be talking about her behind her back. Now this lady has gone to the head of the SpEd department complaining that someone walked in on my wife pumping. This is a straight up lie because it is not possible to see my wife without her seeing you as well or without climbing on top of and across multiple filing cabinets. This morning this lady came in to the room when my wife was pumping and said "I thought you weren't allowed to pump in here anymore." My wife informed her that none of the other areas provided to her has reasonable access to refrigeration or running water. One was literally an electrical closet on the other side of the building. Plus no one had told her anything even remotely close to that. My wife replied that it is not her (wife's) responsibility to find an adequate place to pump. It is the schools responsibility to provide an adequate space. The lady then told my wife that she would find something else by the end of the day. This lady's constant harping on this has really stressed out my wife. It is actually affecting her milk supply. She gets less than half the amount when pumping at work than when she pumps at home. I'm also very frustrated. At what point is this harassment, hostile work environment, or some other violation of state/federal law? What's the best way to handle this if things continue to deteriorate?

gk7jshc

gk7j67h

Assuming this lady is just some random other employee, your wife should report the harassment to her management.

Is your wife part of a union? If so, she should speak with her union rep. If not (or in addition to), she absolutely should address this with the administration.

l2sdrp

legaladvice_train

Wife using breast pump at work and coworkers are giving her a hard time - VA My wife and I have a 4 month old. She works at a public high school. Each day she is allotted 2-3 breaks per day to pump. These breaks are at specific times based on her schedule. Originally, they tried to put her in a bathroom to pump, but she objected. So then they found a break room with running water and a refrigerator and created a makeshift "room" using tall filing cabinets. She is fine with this arrangement. Initially there were times where supervisors are upset with her because she can't cover other teacher's classes due to her pumping schedule. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it stresses her out. Now there is one particular woman who isn't happy the my wife is pumping in this room. I guess because other people are in there. This woman started a text chain with everyone in the special education department (wife's department) except my wife. The purpose of this was this lady asking if anyone else had a problem with my wife pumping in that room. My wife found out about this when a friend of hers told her about the text chain because she didn't want to be talking about her behind her back. Now this lady has gone to the head of the SpEd department complaining that someone walked in on my wife pumping. This is a straight up lie because it is not possible to see my wife without her seeing you as well or without climbing on top of and across multiple filing cabinets. This morning this lady came in to the room when my wife was pumping and said "I thought you weren't allowed to pump in here anymore." My wife informed her that none of the other areas provided to her has reasonable access to refrigeration or running water. One was literally an electrical closet on the other side of the building. Plus no one had told her anything even remotely close to that. My wife replied that it is not her (wife's) responsibility to find an adequate place to pump. It is the schools responsibility to provide an adequate space. The lady then told my wife that she would find something else by the end of the day. This lady's constant harping on this has really stressed out my wife. It is actually affecting her milk supply. She gets less than half the amount when pumping at work than when she pumps at home. I'm also very frustrated. At what point is this harassment, hostile work environment, or some other violation of state/federal law? What's the best way to handle this if things continue to deteriorate?

gk7jshc

gk7jgr5

Assuming this lady is just some random other employee, your wife should report the harassment to her management.

Not a lawyer, just a lurker. Sounds like this "lady" needs to be reminded that it's a federal law that your wife be provided both the time and a non-bathroom space to pump. If I were her, I'd reach out to either/both the school's HR department and/or teacher's union (of applicable). I would think that both/either would want to nip this in the bud before it escalates into am obvious legal issues that would open them to liability (again, Not a lawyer, but my thinking is that if this woman gets it in her mind to barge in on your wife to prove a point, your wife could make a car for harassment, assault, etc. My understanding is that the employer has to provide a non-bathroom space with a locking door.) Side advice: get your wife a nice set of headphones or ear buds, so she can listen to something nice and calming while pumping at work. May help ease the stress by both providing a calming atmosphere, and blocking out any remarks, comments, or questions from this person.

l2sdrp

legaladvice_train

Wife using breast pump at work and coworkers are giving her a hard time - VA My wife and I have a 4 month old. She works at a public high school. Each day she is allotted 2-3 breaks per day to pump. These breaks are at specific times based on her schedule. Originally, they tried to put her in a bathroom to pump, but she objected. So then they found a break room with running water and a refrigerator and created a makeshift "room" using tall filing cabinets. She is fine with this arrangement. Initially there were times where supervisors are upset with her because she can't cover other teacher's classes due to her pumping schedule. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it stresses her out. Now there is one particular woman who isn't happy the my wife is pumping in this room. I guess because other people are in there. This woman started a text chain with everyone in the special education department (wife's department) except my wife. The purpose of this was this lady asking if anyone else had a problem with my wife pumping in that room. My wife found out about this when a friend of hers told her about the text chain because she didn't want to be talking about her behind her back. Now this lady has gone to the head of the SpEd department complaining that someone walked in on my wife pumping. This is a straight up lie because it is not possible to see my wife without her seeing you as well or without climbing on top of and across multiple filing cabinets. This morning this lady came in to the room when my wife was pumping and said "I thought you weren't allowed to pump in here anymore." My wife informed her that none of the other areas provided to her has reasonable access to refrigeration or running water. One was literally an electrical closet on the other side of the building. Plus no one had told her anything even remotely close to that. My wife replied that it is not her (wife's) responsibility to find an adequate place to pump. It is the schools responsibility to provide an adequate space. The lady then told my wife that she would find something else by the end of the day. This lady's constant harping on this has really stressed out my wife. It is actually affecting her milk supply. She gets less than half the amount when pumping at work than when she pumps at home. I'm also very frustrated. At what point is this harassment, hostile work environment, or some other violation of state/federal law? What's the best way to handle this if things continue to deteriorate?

gk7kcxq

gk7j67h

It appears she is being harassed. Here is the Virginia state law protecting her right: Enacted in 2015, Va. Code § 32.1-370 states in relevant part, “A mother may breastfeed in any place where the mother is lawfully present…” If you have a question or concern about this law or feel your rights have been violated please email [email protected] Also a school employee specific law can be found here: https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?141+ful+HB720ER+pdf And to save you a click: “Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia: 1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 22.1-79.5 as follows: § 22.1-79.5. Employee lactation support policy. Each local school board shall adopt a policy to set aside, in each school in the school division, a non-restroom location that is shielded from the public view to be designated as an area in which any mother who is employed by the local school board or enrolled as a student may take breaks of reasonable length during the school day to express milk to feed her child until the child reaches the age of one.” Your wife may also have additional rights if she is a member of a teachers union. She could also take this matter to HR or straight to the Board of Education. Edit: The first one, Va. Code § 32.1-370 covers breastfeeding on Commonwealth property so not applicable unless it’s a school owned or operated by the Commonwealth of Virginia. But the second one, § 22.1-79.5 would apply to all public (presumably) schools.

Is your wife part of a union? If so, she should speak with her union rep. If not (or in addition to), she absolutely should address this with the administration.

l2sdrp

legaladvice_train

Wife using breast pump at work and coworkers are giving her a hard time - VA My wife and I have a 4 month old. She works at a public high school. Each day she is allotted 2-3 breaks per day to pump. These breaks are at specific times based on her schedule. Originally, they tried to put her in a bathroom to pump, but she objected. So then they found a break room with running water and a refrigerator and created a makeshift "room" using tall filing cabinets. She is fine with this arrangement. Initially there were times where supervisors are upset with her because she can't cover other teacher's classes due to her pumping schedule. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it stresses her out. Now there is one particular woman who isn't happy the my wife is pumping in this room. I guess because other people are in there. This woman started a text chain with everyone in the special education department (wife's department) except my wife. The purpose of this was this lady asking if anyone else had a problem with my wife pumping in that room. My wife found out about this when a friend of hers told her about the text chain because she didn't want to be talking about her behind her back. Now this lady has gone to the head of the SpEd department complaining that someone walked in on my wife pumping. This is a straight up lie because it is not possible to see my wife without her seeing you as well or without climbing on top of and across multiple filing cabinets. This morning this lady came in to the room when my wife was pumping and said "I thought you weren't allowed to pump in here anymore." My wife informed her that none of the other areas provided to her has reasonable access to refrigeration or running water. One was literally an electrical closet on the other side of the building. Plus no one had told her anything even remotely close to that. My wife replied that it is not her (wife's) responsibility to find an adequate place to pump. It is the schools responsibility to provide an adequate space. The lady then told my wife that she would find something else by the end of the day. This lady's constant harping on this has really stressed out my wife. It is actually affecting her milk supply. She gets less than half the amount when pumping at work than when she pumps at home. I'm also very frustrated. At what point is this harassment, hostile work environment, or some other violation of state/federal law? What's the best way to handle this if things continue to deteriorate?

gk7kcxq

gk7jgr5

It appears she is being harassed. Here is the Virginia state law protecting her right: Enacted in 2015, Va. Code § 32.1-370 states in relevant part, “A mother may breastfeed in any place where the mother is lawfully present…” If you have a question or concern about this law or feel your rights have been violated please email [email protected] Also a school employee specific law can be found here: https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?141+ful+HB720ER+pdf And to save you a click: “Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia: 1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 22.1-79.5 as follows: § 22.1-79.5. Employee lactation support policy. Each local school board shall adopt a policy to set aside, in each school in the school division, a non-restroom location that is shielded from the public view to be designated as an area in which any mother who is employed by the local school board or enrolled as a student may take breaks of reasonable length during the school day to express milk to feed her child until the child reaches the age of one.” Your wife may also have additional rights if she is a member of a teachers union. She could also take this matter to HR or straight to the Board of Education. Edit: The first one, Va. Code § 32.1-370 covers breastfeeding on Commonwealth property so not applicable unless it’s a school owned or operated by the Commonwealth of Virginia. But the second one, § 22.1-79.5 would apply to all public (presumably) schools.

Not a lawyer, just a lurker. Sounds like this "lady" needs to be reminded that it's a federal law that your wife be provided both the time and a non-bathroom space to pump. If I were her, I'd reach out to either/both the school's HR department and/or teacher's union (of applicable). I would think that both/either would want to nip this in the bud before it escalates into am obvious legal issues that would open them to liability (again, Not a lawyer, but my thinking is that if this woman gets it in her mind to barge in on your wife to prove a point, your wife could make a car for harassment, assault, etc. My understanding is that the employer has to provide a non-bathroom space with a locking door.) Side advice: get your wife a nice set of headphones or ear buds, so she can listen to something nice and calming while pumping at work. May help ease the stress by both providing a calming atmosphere, and blocking out any remarks, comments, or questions from this person.

l2sdrp

legaladvice_train

Wife using breast pump at work and coworkers are giving her a hard time - VA My wife and I have a 4 month old. She works at a public high school. Each day she is allotted 2-3 breaks per day to pump. These breaks are at specific times based on her schedule. Originally, they tried to put her in a bathroom to pump, but she objected. So then they found a break room with running water and a refrigerator and created a makeshift "room" using tall filing cabinets. She is fine with this arrangement. Initially there were times where supervisors are upset with her because she can't cover other teacher's classes due to her pumping schedule. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it stresses her out. Now there is one particular woman who isn't happy the my wife is pumping in this room. I guess because other people are in there. This woman started a text chain with everyone in the special education department (wife's department) except my wife. The purpose of this was this lady asking if anyone else had a problem with my wife pumping in that room. My wife found out about this when a friend of hers told her about the text chain because she didn't want to be talking about her behind her back. Now this lady has gone to the head of the SpEd department complaining that someone walked in on my wife pumping. This is a straight up lie because it is not possible to see my wife without her seeing you as well or without climbing on top of and across multiple filing cabinets. This morning this lady came in to the room when my wife was pumping and said "I thought you weren't allowed to pump in here anymore." My wife informed her that none of the other areas provided to her has reasonable access to refrigeration or running water. One was literally an electrical closet on the other side of the building. Plus no one had told her anything even remotely close to that. My wife replied that it is not her (wife's) responsibility to find an adequate place to pump. It is the schools responsibility to provide an adequate space. The lady then told my wife that she would find something else by the end of the day. This lady's constant harping on this has really stressed out my wife. It is actually affecting her milk supply. She gets less than half the amount when pumping at work than when she pumps at home. I'm also very frustrated. At what point is this harassment, hostile work environment, or some other violation of state/federal law? What's the best way to handle this if things continue to deteriorate?

gk7jgr5

gk7uk9x

Not a lawyer, just a lurker. Sounds like this "lady" needs to be reminded that it's a federal law that your wife be provided both the time and a non-bathroom space to pump. If I were her, I'd reach out to either/both the school's HR department and/or teacher's union (of applicable). I would think that both/either would want to nip this in the bud before it escalates into am obvious legal issues that would open them to liability (again, Not a lawyer, but my thinking is that if this woman gets it in her mind to barge in on your wife to prove a point, your wife could make a car for harassment, assault, etc. My understanding is that the employer has to provide a non-bathroom space with a locking door.) Side advice: get your wife a nice set of headphones or ear buds, so she can listen to something nice and calming while pumping at work. May help ease the stress by both providing a calming atmosphere, and blocking out any remarks, comments, or questions from this person.

It is already harrassment. She should go to HR/the principal/the union NOW. Both state and federal law protect her right to pump at work. And while it is stressful, she may find that she has more support than she might realize right now. On a personal note I went through something similar with a supervisor, and it was awful. I did find that UPPER management was less than pleased with what I was experiencing and put a lid on it. If she does not get the support she needs from the principal she should not be afraid to go up the chain. I really feel for you guys, the anxiety around pumping and missing work time, and pressure from people like the Harpy you describe absolutely leads a lot of women to stop early.

l2sdrp

legaladvice_train

Wife using breast pump at work and coworkers are giving her a hard time - VA My wife and I have a 4 month old. She works at a public high school. Each day she is allotted 2-3 breaks per day to pump. These breaks are at specific times based on her schedule. Originally, they tried to put her in a bathroom to pump, but she objected. So then they found a break room with running water and a refrigerator and created a makeshift "room" using tall filing cabinets. She is fine with this arrangement. Initially there were times where supervisors are upset with her because she can't cover other teacher's classes due to her pumping schedule. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it stresses her out. Now there is one particular woman who isn't happy the my wife is pumping in this room. I guess because other people are in there. This woman started a text chain with everyone in the special education department (wife's department) except my wife. The purpose of this was this lady asking if anyone else had a problem with my wife pumping in that room. My wife found out about this when a friend of hers told her about the text chain because she didn't want to be talking about her behind her back. Now this lady has gone to the head of the SpEd department complaining that someone walked in on my wife pumping. This is a straight up lie because it is not possible to see my wife without her seeing you as well or without climbing on top of and across multiple filing cabinets. This morning this lady came in to the room when my wife was pumping and said "I thought you weren't allowed to pump in here anymore." My wife informed her that none of the other areas provided to her has reasonable access to refrigeration or running water. One was literally an electrical closet on the other side of the building. Plus no one had told her anything even remotely close to that. My wife replied that it is not her (wife's) responsibility to find an adequate place to pump. It is the schools responsibility to provide an adequate space. The lady then told my wife that she would find something else by the end of the day. This lady's constant harping on this has really stressed out my wife. It is actually affecting her milk supply. She gets less than half the amount when pumping at work than when she pumps at home. I'm also very frustrated. At what point is this harassment, hostile work environment, or some other violation of state/federal law? What's the best way to handle this if things continue to deteriorate?

gk7q5a1

gk7uk9x

I am not a lawyer If your wife has not made the administration aware of this woman's actions, she needs to do that. If they don't take immediate action, I would consult an attorney. This is not something your wife should continue to have to deal with by herself.

It is already harrassment. She should go to HR/the principal/the union NOW. Both state and federal law protect her right to pump at work. And while it is stressful, she may find that she has more support than she might realize right now. On a personal note I went through something similar with a supervisor, and it was awful. I did find that UPPER management was less than pleased with what I was experiencing and put a lid on it. If she does not get the support she needs from the principal she should not be afraid to go up the chain. I really feel for you guys, the anxiety around pumping and missing work time, and pressure from people like the Harpy you describe absolutely leads a lot of women to stop early.

l2sdrp

legaladvice_train

Wife using breast pump at work and coworkers are giving her a hard time - VA My wife and I have a 4 month old. She works at a public high school. Each day she is allotted 2-3 breaks per day to pump. These breaks are at specific times based on her schedule. Originally, they tried to put her in a bathroom to pump, but she objected. So then they found a break room with running water and a refrigerator and created a makeshift "room" using tall filing cabinets. She is fine with this arrangement. Initially there were times where supervisors are upset with her because she can't cover other teacher's classes due to her pumping schedule. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it stresses her out. Now there is one particular woman who isn't happy the my wife is pumping in this room. I guess because other people are in there. This woman started a text chain with everyone in the special education department (wife's department) except my wife. The purpose of this was this lady asking if anyone else had a problem with my wife pumping in that room. My wife found out about this when a friend of hers told her about the text chain because she didn't want to be talking about her behind her back. Now this lady has gone to the head of the SpEd department complaining that someone walked in on my wife pumping. This is a straight up lie because it is not possible to see my wife without her seeing you as well or without climbing on top of and across multiple filing cabinets. This morning this lady came in to the room when my wife was pumping and said "I thought you weren't allowed to pump in here anymore." My wife informed her that none of the other areas provided to her has reasonable access to refrigeration or running water. One was literally an electrical closet on the other side of the building. Plus no one had told her anything even remotely close to that. My wife replied that it is not her (wife's) responsibility to find an adequate place to pump. It is the schools responsibility to provide an adequate space. The lady then told my wife that she would find something else by the end of the day. This lady's constant harping on this has really stressed out my wife. It is actually affecting her milk supply. She gets less than half the amount when pumping at work than when she pumps at home. I'm also very frustrated. At what point is this harassment, hostile work environment, or some other violation of state/federal law? What's the best way to handle this if things continue to deteriorate?

gka33vo

gk7jgr5

I am not a lawyer but wanted to remind you to document everything! Get screenshots of the text chain about your wife, who was involved, and the dates it occurred. Also the dates and what was said during the interactions your wife had with this woman.

Not a lawyer, just a lurker. Sounds like this "lady" needs to be reminded that it's a federal law that your wife be provided both the time and a non-bathroom space to pump. If I were her, I'd reach out to either/both the school's HR department and/or teacher's union (of applicable). I would think that both/either would want to nip this in the bud before it escalates into am obvious legal issues that would open them to liability (again, Not a lawyer, but my thinking is that if this woman gets it in her mind to barge in on your wife to prove a point, your wife could make a car for harassment, assault, etc. My understanding is that the employer has to provide a non-bathroom space with a locking door.) Side advice: get your wife a nice set of headphones or ear buds, so she can listen to something nice and calming while pumping at work. May help ease the stress by both providing a calming atmosphere, and blocking out any remarks, comments, or questions from this person.

l2sdrp

legaladvice_train

Wife using breast pump at work and coworkers are giving her a hard time - VA My wife and I have a 4 month old. She works at a public high school. Each day she is allotted 2-3 breaks per day to pump. These breaks are at specific times based on her schedule. Originally, they tried to put her in a bathroom to pump, but she objected. So then they found a break room with running water and a refrigerator and created a makeshift "room" using tall filing cabinets. She is fine with this arrangement. Initially there were times where supervisors are upset with her because she can't cover other teacher's classes due to her pumping schedule. I know this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it stresses her out. Now there is one particular woman who isn't happy the my wife is pumping in this room. I guess because other people are in there. This woman started a text chain with everyone in the special education department (wife's department) except my wife. The purpose of this was this lady asking if anyone else had a problem with my wife pumping in that room. My wife found out about this when a friend of hers told her about the text chain because she didn't want to be talking about her behind her back. Now this lady has gone to the head of the SpEd department complaining that someone walked in on my wife pumping. This is a straight up lie because it is not possible to see my wife without her seeing you as well or without climbing on top of and across multiple filing cabinets. This morning this lady came in to the room when my wife was pumping and said "I thought you weren't allowed to pump in here anymore." My wife informed her that none of the other areas provided to her has reasonable access to refrigeration or running water. One was literally an electrical closet on the other side of the building. Plus no one had told her anything even remotely close to that. My wife replied that it is not her (wife's) responsibility to find an adequate place to pump. It is the schools responsibility to provide an adequate space. The lady then told my wife that she would find something else by the end of the day. This lady's constant harping on this has really stressed out my wife. It is actually affecting her milk supply. She gets less than half the amount when pumping at work than when she pumps at home. I'm also very frustrated. At what point is this harassment, hostile work environment, or some other violation of state/federal law? What's the best way to handle this if things continue to deteriorate?

gka33vo

gk7q5a1

I am not a lawyer but wanted to remind you to document everything! Get screenshots of the text chain about your wife, who was involved, and the dates it occurred. Also the dates and what was said during the interactions your wife had with this woman.

I am not a lawyer If your wife has not made the administration aware of this woman's actions, she needs to do that. If they don't take immediate action, I would consult an attorney. This is not something your wife should continue to have to deal with by herself.

b0kr80

legaladvice_train

My longterm employer has changed policy after 7 years and is attempting to hold a pay period of salary. Background: I was hired approximately 7 years ago by a mid-sized organization in NYC and have worked here very happily since. Regular pay raises, solid benefits, generally a good place to work. A week ago, I was told that due to a change in hiring moving forward, all new fulltime employees have their first pay periods pay withheld, to begin pay at the end of the second pay period they are employed. The reason I was told this is that the Org would like to 'bring it's more senior fulltime employees into compliance' with a policy set up more than 7 years after I signed an employment contract I still have onhand today. It plans to do this by either withholding the first pay period of my salary this upcoming financial year(August, for us) OR by 'loaning' me my salary, and then having me pay it back interest free of 24 pay periods. I am aware they cannot legally dun money from my paycheck, so they want to set it up where I am writing them checks. This also effects about 20+ more people in an org of about 250. This was introduced on the heels of 'a 4% raise', which is wholly consumed by this plan of theirs. It will in effect if they can do this cut my pay about 5 dollars a pay period. The entirety of the situation seems incredibly sketchy to me, which is sad, as the organization has not done something like this before, and it feels really unpleasant. Does anyone here have any insight?

eif89hv

eif9uoy

Yes it's legal as long as they pay you at least semi monthly.

Can you clarify, are they changing your pay schedule (e.g., going from weekly to every other week, or from every other week to once a month)? If so, you will get that money (same amount per year), just at a different time. Or are they expecting a week or two weeks of work that you will *never* get paid for (so your amount per year goes down)? If the former, changing the pay schedule is legal. If the latter, that is problematic.

96wfos

legaladvice_train

[KY]My girlfriend of seven years passed away last week. Is the maternal side of her family allowed to deny me entry to her funeral/wake/burial site if the paternal side is okay with granting me access to them? Location - Kentucky. My girlfriend passed away unexpectedly last week. We were in a relationship for 7 years, and we had a four-year-old son together. Her funeral is this Tuesday. Because her mother's side of the family did not agree with us being in a same-sex relationship, they are saying that they are going to refuse to allow me into the funeral home for her wake and for her funeral, and refuse to allow me access to her grave site at the cemetery at any point in the future. Her father's side of the family was more accepting of our relationship, and says that they would not protest if I showed up to the wake, funeral, or grave site. Can I be barred from the funeral/wake/grave site if only one side of the family disagrees with me being there? What would happen if I showed up to the funeral even though the maternal side of her family has requested that I not attend? Is there anything I can do?

e43qcel

e43ptuw

I'm so very sorry for your loss and that your gf's mother's family are being this way. As far as the funeral is concerned, the family members who are in charge of and pay for the funeral can specify who can attend. It's unfortunate and awful that homophobic families can and sometimes do exclude same-sex partners from funerals, but it happens. It happened to a friend of mine when he lost his fiancé. Perhaps her father's family can advocate on your behalf if they are sharing the cost of the funeral. As far as the cemetery is concerned, it's not up to them who can visit a grave. That's up to whomever owns the cemetery. Generally, cemeteries are open to the public and they do not bar people just because the family doesn't like them.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Are they expecting your child would also be barred from attending? I was kept away from my dad's funeral because of a feud between my mum and his mum. I regret it even 30 years later. Could you ring the nice side of the family and ask them to take you with them as part of their group.

96wfos

legaladvice_train

[KY]My girlfriend of seven years passed away last week. Is the maternal side of her family allowed to deny me entry to her funeral/wake/burial site if the paternal side is okay with granting me access to them? Location - Kentucky. My girlfriend passed away unexpectedly last week. We were in a relationship for 7 years, and we had a four-year-old son together. Her funeral is this Tuesday. Because her mother's side of the family did not agree with us being in a same-sex relationship, they are saying that they are going to refuse to allow me into the funeral home for her wake and for her funeral, and refuse to allow me access to her grave site at the cemetery at any point in the future. Her father's side of the family was more accepting of our relationship, and says that they would not protest if I showed up to the wake, funeral, or grave site. Can I be barred from the funeral/wake/grave site if only one side of the family disagrees with me being there? What would happen if I showed up to the funeral even though the maternal side of her family has requested that I not attend? Is there anything I can do?

e446ikx

e43ptuw

Maybe a hail Mary, but you could try contacting the funeral home and explain your relationship and they might accommodate you and your child to have a private moment with your girlfriend before or after the service. I am sorry for your loss.

I'm so sorry for your loss. Are they expecting your child would also be barred from attending? I was kept away from my dad's funeral because of a feud between my mum and his mum. I regret it even 30 years later. Could you ring the nice side of the family and ask them to take you with them as part of their group.

96wfos

legaladvice_train

[KY]My girlfriend of seven years passed away last week. Is the maternal side of her family allowed to deny me entry to her funeral/wake/burial site if the paternal side is okay with granting me access to them? Location - Kentucky. My girlfriend passed away unexpectedly last week. We were in a relationship for 7 years, and we had a four-year-old son together. Her funeral is this Tuesday. Because her mother's side of the family did not agree with us being in a same-sex relationship, they are saying that they are going to refuse to allow me into the funeral home for her wake and for her funeral, and refuse to allow me access to her grave site at the cemetery at any point in the future. Her father's side of the family was more accepting of our relationship, and says that they would not protest if I showed up to the wake, funeral, or grave site. Can I be barred from the funeral/wake/grave site if only one side of the family disagrees with me being there? What would happen if I showed up to the funeral even though the maternal side of her family has requested that I not attend? Is there anything I can do?

e43qhb5

e446ikx

Sorry for your loss. They can likely block you from the funeral home, and the wake. Though if it's a large enough event you should be able to attend discreetly. However, they do not control the cemetery, which is publicly accessible. You should be able to go to her grave site unless she is buried someplace very unusual.

Maybe a hail Mary, but you could try contacting the funeral home and explain your relationship and they might accommodate you and your child to have a private moment with your girlfriend before or after the service. I am sorry for your loss.

96wfos

legaladvice_train

[KY]My girlfriend of seven years passed away last week. Is the maternal side of her family allowed to deny me entry to her funeral/wake/burial site if the paternal side is okay with granting me access to them? Location - Kentucky. My girlfriend passed away unexpectedly last week. We were in a relationship for 7 years, and we had a four-year-old son together. Her funeral is this Tuesday. Because her mother's side of the family did not agree with us being in a same-sex relationship, they are saying that they are going to refuse to allow me into the funeral home for her wake and for her funeral, and refuse to allow me access to her grave site at the cemetery at any point in the future. Her father's side of the family was more accepting of our relationship, and says that they would not protest if I showed up to the wake, funeral, or grave site. Can I be barred from the funeral/wake/grave site if only one side of the family disagrees with me being there? What would happen if I showed up to the funeral even though the maternal side of her family has requested that I not attend? Is there anything I can do?

e446ikx

e43xtv1

Maybe a hail Mary, but you could try contacting the funeral home and explain your relationship and they might accommodate you and your child to have a private moment with your girlfriend before or after the service. I am sorry for your loss.

I'm so sorry, I hope you and your son can recover from this soon. My own girlfriend has a heart condition, and I've had these exact same fears myself because her family are very unpleasant about her being gay. Legally speaking, it's a private function on private land, so if they're paying then yes you can be legally barred. My suggestion is to REALLY get in with your FIL's side, and failing that... honestly, hold your own memorial. Your partner loved you, you loved and love her, your son loves his mothers. I'm sure the family you have outside her blood relatives loved her and love you still. Hold your own memorial - perhaps even at the cemetery itself with permission from the owners. If the FIL is paying for half the event, then I would say the legal basis for them ejecting you becomes a lot more ambiguous. I would honestly turn up anyway, because in your position I wouldn't be able to stop myself, but do be aware that there's a good chance you will have the police called and if you do, then legally the chance is better than not that they will win. I'm so sorry for you and your son's loss. But even if you can't attend the funeral or the wake, they cannot bar you from the grave site and they can _never_ take away the love you have together, or the seven years of joy you shared. They are trying to turn your love into a way to hurt you, but never forget that your partner chose you and your son over them. They're doing this because they're bitter that _you two won_. Even in her passing, you've won together. Don't forget that.

96wfos

legaladvice_train

[KY]My girlfriend of seven years passed away last week. Is the maternal side of her family allowed to deny me entry to her funeral/wake/burial site if the paternal side is okay with granting me access to them? Location - Kentucky. My girlfriend passed away unexpectedly last week. We were in a relationship for 7 years, and we had a four-year-old son together. Her funeral is this Tuesday. Because her mother's side of the family did not agree with us being in a same-sex relationship, they are saying that they are going to refuse to allow me into the funeral home for her wake and for her funeral, and refuse to allow me access to her grave site at the cemetery at any point in the future. Her father's side of the family was more accepting of our relationship, and says that they would not protest if I showed up to the wake, funeral, or grave site. Can I be barred from the funeral/wake/grave site if only one side of the family disagrees with me being there? What would happen if I showed up to the funeral even though the maternal side of her family has requested that I not attend? Is there anything I can do?

e443f4k

e446ikx

Unless this is some kind of bizarre swanky secret cemetery, regardless of the funeral and memorial outcome, you should be able to go and visit the grave afterward anytime you want, and the cemetery will not even approach you at all, let alone ID you and then check a list to see if you're allowed in. Absolute worst case scenario here (I'll defer to the advice of others on the topic of the funeral itself) you can always wait another week or so for the heat to die down and then just go to the grave-site yourself.

Maybe a hail Mary, but you could try contacting the funeral home and explain your relationship and they might accommodate you and your child to have a private moment with your girlfriend before or after the service. I am sorry for your loss.

96wfos

legaladvice_train

[KY]My girlfriend of seven years passed away last week. Is the maternal side of her family allowed to deny me entry to her funeral/wake/burial site if the paternal side is okay with granting me access to them? Location - Kentucky. My girlfriend passed away unexpectedly last week. We were in a relationship for 7 years, and we had a four-year-old son together. Her funeral is this Tuesday. Because her mother's side of the family did not agree with us being in a same-sex relationship, they are saying that they are going to refuse to allow me into the funeral home for her wake and for her funeral, and refuse to allow me access to her grave site at the cemetery at any point in the future. Her father's side of the family was more accepting of our relationship, and says that they would not protest if I showed up to the wake, funeral, or grave site. Can I be barred from the funeral/wake/grave site if only one side of the family disagrees with me being there? What would happen if I showed up to the funeral even though the maternal side of her family has requested that I not attend? Is there anything I can do?

e44klwg

e443f4k

We recently went through a similar situation in my family,my brother contacted the funeral home and they let him go in for a generous amount of time, privately when nobody else was there. I think it helped him a lot.

Unless this is some kind of bizarre swanky secret cemetery, regardless of the funeral and memorial outcome, you should be able to go and visit the grave afterward anytime you want, and the cemetery will not even approach you at all, let alone ID you and then check a list to see if you're allowed in. Absolute worst case scenario here (I'll defer to the advice of others on the topic of the funeral itself) you can always wait another week or so for the heat to die down and then just go to the grave-site yourself.

2tvigj

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(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co2or1w

co31wzo

It's possible b/c most likely they rescinded your policy for misrepresentation. When you took out the policy you didn't indicate you were using the vehicle for business purposes, and some carriers consider this error or mistake on your part as misleading them to influence (decrease) your rates and that is material misrepresentation. That factor would have had a HUGE effect on your rates, I surmise. The drivers who rear ended you are stupid for suing you. You aren't the proximate cause of this accdient. You took an emergency evasive action and they were unable to avoid hitting you. If anything, I'd say you would have a case to sue THEM for following too closely IF AND ONLY IF you never left your lane (ie swerved into the next lane over in front of them). You need to talk to an attorney since you have no insurance company to defend this. I know you can't afford it, but you need to figure out how to.

1. It is almost certain that your employer is liable for damages incurred while you were driving for work. 2. You have a strong counter-suit because rearending someone is almost always ruled the fault of the person who rear-ends (they were following too closely for safety). 3. Talk to a lawyer. You should be able to get a 30 minute free consultation.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co31wzo

co2tdf0

1. It is almost certain that your employer is liable for damages incurred while you were driving for work. 2. You have a strong counter-suit because rearending someone is almost always ruled the fault of the person who rear-ends (they were following too closely for safety). 3. Talk to a lawyer. You should be able to get a 30 minute free consultation.

If you had asked about this for your agent and he said it would be covered, you could sue your agent. That is a very common exclusion in auto policies, nearly all p&c companies actually, this is also why reading your 20 page declaration sheet is important. I am an insurance agent in Illinois and that is one question I ask every one of my insureds is do you use the vehicle for any business use. :( Im sorry it happened to you.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co31wzo

co2t7le

1. It is almost certain that your employer is liable for damages incurred while you were driving for work. 2. You have a strong counter-suit because rearending someone is almost always ruled the fault of the person who rear-ends (they were following too closely for safety). 3. Talk to a lawyer. You should be able to get a 30 minute free consultation.

I am not a lawyer, Its legal arm twisting, blame assignment is pretty clear in rear end cases, you drove well if you were able to avoid the car in front, as long as the police report does not say you changed lanes, you have a good change of winning and the lawyer should be able to recover costs. So go talk to a lawyer, your life is not ruined. Cheer up ! You may however lose your license as states are strict about people without insurance causing accidents. In WA you definitely lose it for some time.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co2or1w

co36a18

It's possible b/c most likely they rescinded your policy for misrepresentation. When you took out the policy you didn't indicate you were using the vehicle for business purposes, and some carriers consider this error or mistake on your part as misleading them to influence (decrease) your rates and that is material misrepresentation. That factor would have had a HUGE effect on your rates, I surmise. The drivers who rear ended you are stupid for suing you. You aren't the proximate cause of this accdient. You took an emergency evasive action and they were unable to avoid hitting you. If anything, I'd say you would have a case to sue THEM for following too closely IF AND ONLY IF you never left your lane (ie swerved into the next lane over in front of them). You need to talk to an attorney since you have no insurance company to defend this. I know you can't afford it, but you need to figure out how to.

I am a lawyer. I do insurance work. You need one. Whether the carrier can enforce an exclusion retroactively is an open question. Whether you were an agent of the pizza place in the course of your employment is pretty clear. The impact ( okay, its a pun) is that there may be coverage. You just have to get a lawyer to figure it out. StarryC makes some good points, too. There are lots of insurance defense and insurance coverage attorneys around. When I need someone in an area I am not familiar with I use www.Martindale.com website, lawyer search. Filter for the city where the accident happened and insurance defense or coverage, maybe plaintiffs personal injury. Plaintiff lawyers like to get paid so they often know a lot about getting insurance to cover a loss.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co36a18

co33410

I am a lawyer. I do insurance work. You need one. Whether the carrier can enforce an exclusion retroactively is an open question. Whether you were an agent of the pizza place in the course of your employment is pretty clear. The impact ( okay, its a pun) is that there may be coverage. You just have to get a lawyer to figure it out. StarryC makes some good points, too. There are lots of insurance defense and insurance coverage attorneys around. When I need someone in an area I am not familiar with I use www.Martindale.com website, lawyer search. Filter for the city where the accident happened and insurance defense or coverage, maybe plaintiffs personal injury. Plaintiff lawyers like to get paid so they often know a lot about getting insurance to cover a loss.

You need a lawyer. How to get one: 1) Look around for an "insurance bad faith" or insurance coverage lawyer. Meet with them to ask about the "dropping coverage" It may be right, or it may have been wrong. 2) Call your employer and tell him you are being sued for actions you took in the course and scope of your employment and that you need his insurance information. Hopefully he gives it. Call them, explain, and they should hire a lawyer to defend you. 3) IF that all doesn't work, you need to send a letter to the lawyers who sued you. This is risky business. In the letter don't say much. Just say that you are attempting to find a lawyer, but that you believe you were acting in the course and scope of employment with Boss Co. THose lawyers will sue Boss co. Then Boss will start taking it seriously. Time is short. In some states, you need to respond to a lawsuit within 20 days. Get on this ASAP. You have tons chances here. Your life is NOT over. You got screwed by your boss. Your boss is rich enough to own a business, and smart enough to know he was being dishonest. What SHOULD happen is that your boss's insurance company covers your lawyer and defends you. He or that company would pay damages. The other peoples lawyers know you personally don't have money. They are trying to force either your insurance company or your boss to step up.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co36a18

co2tdf0

I am a lawyer. I do insurance work. You need one. Whether the carrier can enforce an exclusion retroactively is an open question. Whether you were an agent of the pizza place in the course of your employment is pretty clear. The impact ( okay, its a pun) is that there may be coverage. You just have to get a lawyer to figure it out. StarryC makes some good points, too. There are lots of insurance defense and insurance coverage attorneys around. When I need someone in an area I am not familiar with I use www.Martindale.com website, lawyer search. Filter for the city where the accident happened and insurance defense or coverage, maybe plaintiffs personal injury. Plaintiff lawyers like to get paid so they often know a lot about getting insurance to cover a loss.

If you had asked about this for your agent and he said it would be covered, you could sue your agent. That is a very common exclusion in auto policies, nearly all p&c companies actually, this is also why reading your 20 page declaration sheet is important. I am an insurance agent in Illinois and that is one question I ask every one of my insureds is do you use the vehicle for any business use. :( Im sorry it happened to you.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co2t7le

co36a18

I am not a lawyer, Its legal arm twisting, blame assignment is pretty clear in rear end cases, you drove well if you were able to avoid the car in front, as long as the police report does not say you changed lanes, you have a good change of winning and the lawyer should be able to recover costs. So go talk to a lawyer, your life is not ruined. Cheer up ! You may however lose your license as states are strict about people without insurance causing accidents. In WA you definitely lose it for some time.

I am a lawyer. I do insurance work. You need one. Whether the carrier can enforce an exclusion retroactively is an open question. Whether you were an agent of the pizza place in the course of your employment is pretty clear. The impact ( okay, its a pun) is that there may be coverage. You just have to get a lawyer to figure it out. StarryC makes some good points, too. There are lots of insurance defense and insurance coverage attorneys around. When I need someone in an area I am not familiar with I use www.Martindale.com website, lawyer search. Filter for the city where the accident happened and insurance defense or coverage, maybe plaintiffs personal injury. Plaintiff lawyers like to get paid so they often know a lot about getting insurance to cover a loss.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co36a18

co330ty

I am a lawyer. I do insurance work. You need one. Whether the carrier can enforce an exclusion retroactively is an open question. Whether you were an agent of the pizza place in the course of your employment is pretty clear. The impact ( okay, its a pun) is that there may be coverage. You just have to get a lawyer to figure it out. StarryC makes some good points, too. There are lots of insurance defense and insurance coverage attorneys around. When I need someone in an area I am not familiar with I use www.Martindale.com website, lawyer search. Filter for the city where the accident happened and insurance defense or coverage, maybe plaintiffs personal injury. Plaintiff lawyers like to get paid so they often know a lot about getting insurance to cover a loss.

I'm not a lawyer by any means but I'm curious though, do the reports state you were working? The reason I ask is because if you weren't clocked in for work then you weren't technically working. So that would mean that your insurance can't drop you because you were never working. Just wearing your work clothes taking food in the trunk. Something to ask a lawyer. EDIT: also you said you weren't scheduled that day.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co2tdf0

co33410

If you had asked about this for your agent and he said it would be covered, you could sue your agent. That is a very common exclusion in auto policies, nearly all p&c companies actually, this is also why reading your 20 page declaration sheet is important. I am an insurance agent in Illinois and that is one question I ask every one of my insureds is do you use the vehicle for any business use. :( Im sorry it happened to you.

You need a lawyer. How to get one: 1) Look around for an "insurance bad faith" or insurance coverage lawyer. Meet with them to ask about the "dropping coverage" It may be right, or it may have been wrong. 2) Call your employer and tell him you are being sued for actions you took in the course and scope of your employment and that you need his insurance information. Hopefully he gives it. Call them, explain, and they should hire a lawyer to defend you. 3) IF that all doesn't work, you need to send a letter to the lawyers who sued you. This is risky business. In the letter don't say much. Just say that you are attempting to find a lawyer, but that you believe you were acting in the course and scope of employment with Boss Co. THose lawyers will sue Boss co. Then Boss will start taking it seriously. Time is short. In some states, you need to respond to a lawsuit within 20 days. Get on this ASAP. You have tons chances here. Your life is NOT over. You got screwed by your boss. Your boss is rich enough to own a business, and smart enough to know he was being dishonest. What SHOULD happen is that your boss's insurance company covers your lawyer and defends you. He or that company would pay damages. The other peoples lawyers know you personally don't have money. They are trying to force either your insurance company or your boss to step up.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co33410

co2t7le

You need a lawyer. How to get one: 1) Look around for an "insurance bad faith" or insurance coverage lawyer. Meet with them to ask about the "dropping coverage" It may be right, or it may have been wrong. 2) Call your employer and tell him you are being sued for actions you took in the course and scope of your employment and that you need his insurance information. Hopefully he gives it. Call them, explain, and they should hire a lawyer to defend you. 3) IF that all doesn't work, you need to send a letter to the lawyers who sued you. This is risky business. In the letter don't say much. Just say that you are attempting to find a lawyer, but that you believe you were acting in the course and scope of employment with Boss Co. THose lawyers will sue Boss co. Then Boss will start taking it seriously. Time is short. In some states, you need to respond to a lawsuit within 20 days. Get on this ASAP. You have tons chances here. Your life is NOT over. You got screwed by your boss. Your boss is rich enough to own a business, and smart enough to know he was being dishonest. What SHOULD happen is that your boss's insurance company covers your lawyer and defends you. He or that company would pay damages. The other peoples lawyers know you personally don't have money. They are trying to force either your insurance company or your boss to step up.

I am not a lawyer, Its legal arm twisting, blame assignment is pretty clear in rear end cases, you drove well if you were able to avoid the car in front, as long as the police report does not say you changed lanes, you have a good change of winning and the lawyer should be able to recover costs. So go talk to a lawyer, your life is not ruined. Cheer up ! You may however lose your license as states are strict about people without insurance causing accidents. In WA you definitely lose it for some time.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co33410

co330ty

You need a lawyer. How to get one: 1) Look around for an "insurance bad faith" or insurance coverage lawyer. Meet with them to ask about the "dropping coverage" It may be right, or it may have been wrong. 2) Call your employer and tell him you are being sued for actions you took in the course and scope of your employment and that you need his insurance information. Hopefully he gives it. Call them, explain, and they should hire a lawyer to defend you. 3) IF that all doesn't work, you need to send a letter to the lawyers who sued you. This is risky business. In the letter don't say much. Just say that you are attempting to find a lawyer, but that you believe you were acting in the course and scope of employment with Boss Co. THose lawyers will sue Boss co. Then Boss will start taking it seriously. Time is short. In some states, you need to respond to a lawsuit within 20 days. Get on this ASAP. You have tons chances here. Your life is NOT over. You got screwed by your boss. Your boss is rich enough to own a business, and smart enough to know he was being dishonest. What SHOULD happen is that your boss's insurance company covers your lawyer and defends you. He or that company would pay damages. The other peoples lawyers know you personally don't have money. They are trying to force either your insurance company or your boss to step up.

I'm not a lawyer by any means but I'm curious though, do the reports state you were working? The reason I ask is because if you weren't clocked in for work then you weren't technically working. So that would mean that your insurance can't drop you because you were never working. Just wearing your work clothes taking food in the trunk. Something to ask a lawyer. EDIT: also you said you weren't scheduled that day.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co2t7le

co2tdf0

I am not a lawyer, Its legal arm twisting, blame assignment is pretty clear in rear end cases, you drove well if you were able to avoid the car in front, as long as the police report does not say you changed lanes, you have a good change of winning and the lawyer should be able to recover costs. So go talk to a lawyer, your life is not ruined. Cheer up ! You may however lose your license as states are strict about people without insurance causing accidents. In WA you definitely lose it for some time.

If you had asked about this for your agent and he said it would be covered, you could sue your agent. That is a very common exclusion in auto policies, nearly all p&c companies actually, this is also why reading your 20 page declaration sheet is important. I am an insurance agent in Illinois and that is one question I ask every one of my insureds is do you use the vehicle for any business use. :( Im sorry it happened to you.

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co330ty

co44e2w

I'm not a lawyer by any means but I'm curious though, do the reports state you were working? The reason I ask is because if you weren't clocked in for work then you weren't technically working. So that would mean that your insurance can't drop you because you were never working. Just wearing your work clothes taking food in the trunk. Something to ask a lawyer. EDIT: also you said you weren't scheduled that day.

I once called my insurance company to to ASK about getting insured for delivery work. The representative I spoke with thought I said I was ALREADY delivering, which would have put me in breach of my insurance contract. So she canceled my policy without telling me. I drove around for 5 months without insurance until I found out (I had paid for 6 months up front). I sued them for pulling my insurance without notification, for not verifying ANYTHING before taking action, and for not refunding me when my policy was terminated. I won enough to reinsure my vehicle for a year with a different company. The funniest part was when they asked me "is there anything we can do to get your business back?" I told them, unless you have a time machine, no. Why would I want to do business with a company that just wrongfully caused me a huge hassle? Fuck you, Progressive!

2tvigj

legaladvice_train

(US) Car accident while delivering for restaurant I work at caused insurance to drop me, now being sued by drivers who rear-ended me for $30k. I made $15k last year. Help me. My life is pretty much ruined, and I need some help figuring out what to do about it. I've been contacting lawyers, but I'm 25 and this whole process is new to me. Here's what happened: I was delivering an order for the restaurant I worked for. This was in November. While on the expressway, a Christmas tree falls off the car in front of my car, and I immediately slowed and cut the wheel to try and swerve, but I was rear-ended by the car behind me. Their car hit me so hard that I was pushed into the next lane, where I was rear-ended again. I'm not talking side-swiped or anything, straight-up destroyed my entire trunk, which was full of the food I was delivering. No one was hurt, but everyone's cars were fucked. They all saw what happened and stated what happened with the tree in the police report, but the vehicle carrying the tree, that caused the accident, was never found. I expected my insurance to pull through, and I was rear-ended because someone else dropped a fucking tree on the highway, so I figured I had just lost my car, and was happy to be alive. I call my boss to tell him what happened, and he asked me if I told them I was delivering. I said yes, because I was wearing my work uniform and there was food from the trunk exploded all over the highway -- there was no hiding it, and I never would have thought to lie in this kind of situation. Turns out my boss never told me that driving while working, without being commercially insured, allows your insurance company to drop your coverage. He knew for two years I was driving uninsured, sometimes for two hours at a time, and never said anything. So, after my insurance company received the police report, they dropped me retroactively. That means I technically didn't have insurance when that accident happened, so the drivers of vehicles that rear-ended me are now suing me to the tune of $30,000. I don't understand how it's possible, since I was not blamed for the accident by the insurance investigators. It was ruled a "no fault accident". Also the police report states the only reason I made a lane change was because of the force of impact, and I was rear-ended twice -- that usually rules out fault, automatically. But no, this is really my life right now. My boss KNEW this was a likelihood, and I feel the only reason he never told me about it was because he knew I wouldn't deliver if I had to pay extra insurance for it. I wasn't even scheduled that day, and I don't think I was clocked in (I just came in to run the delivery because he was busy as hell). I quit because working for him ruined my life, and I don't regret it. Do I even have a chance of getting out of this alive? At this point, I'm starting to see living through the accident as the opposite of a blessing.

co44e2w

co387uc

I once called my insurance company to to ASK about getting insured for delivery work. The representative I spoke with thought I said I was ALREADY delivering, which would have put me in breach of my insurance contract. So she canceled my policy without telling me. I drove around for 5 months without insurance until I found out (I had paid for 6 months up front). I sued them for pulling my insurance without notification, for not verifying ANYTHING before taking action, and for not refunding me when my policy was terminated. I won enough to reinsure my vehicle for a year with a different company. The funniest part was when they asked me "is there anything we can do to get your business back?" I told them, unless you have a time machine, no. Why would I want to do business with a company that just wrongfully caused me a huge hassle? Fuck you, Progressive!

You should sue the first driver that hit you they are at fault. They were following to closely to stop causing the accident. I don't understand why they would sue you any way you have nothing for them to collect even if they win.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hoaw4pt

hoawfzu

He needs to prove in court that you hit him, though you have been served so a consultation with a lawyer is highly recommended

You should do nothing except try to figure out where you were that day using your phone's location services, calendar, and other resources. Your assumptions about car damage and the police being called aren't necessarily correct. A low-speed collision can cause soft tissue damage that isn't immediately apparent. Does the complaint state the location of the accident? Is that somewhere you go? Your mother should contact the insurance company she had at the time immediately. They should provide an attorney.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hoawflt

hoawfzu

I think that more importantly, what proof does he have showing that you rear-ended him? Were there proof attached to the court documents? Do you recall being in the neighborhood or road that he claims the accident occured? I'm sure there are street cameras that can prove that but 3yrs ago footages may not exist anymore. I don't see how this will hold up in court at all without proof. Get yourself a good lawyer and fight it.

You should do nothing except try to figure out where you were that day using your phone's location services, calendar, and other resources. Your assumptions about car damage and the police being called aren't necessarily correct. A low-speed collision can cause soft tissue damage that isn't immediately apparent. Does the complaint state the location of the accident? Is that somewhere you go? Your mother should contact the insurance company she had at the time immediately. They should provide an attorney.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hobs9at

hoax2pc

See if you have any bank statements, debit card purchases, credit card purchases from that date and time that can put you in a different location.

You are correct about needing to contact a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice. The other commenter is correct, the burden will be on this person to prove that this accident even happened, much less that you were at fault. If his lawsuit doesn’t seem like complete BS (somehow), then your lawyer will certainly look to verify his injuries/disabilities one way or another, probably through medical records and/or examination.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hobk8t8

hobs9at

The picture from a few months later can't be used as they can just say you got it repaired between the accident and when the picture was taken. The fact that there is no police report or any attempt at a claim within three years is the best evidence you have. File an answer to the claim that you dispute this to ensure there isn't a summary judgment prior to the court date.

See if you have any bank statements, debit card purchases, credit card purchases from that date and time that can put you in a different location.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hoawflt

hobs9at

I think that more importantly, what proof does he have showing that you rear-ended him? Were there proof attached to the court documents? Do you recall being in the neighborhood or road that he claims the accident occured? I'm sure there are street cameras that can prove that but 3yrs ago footages may not exist anymore. I don't see how this will hold up in court at all without proof. Get yourself a good lawyer and fight it.

See if you have any bank statements, debit card purchases, credit card purchases from that date and time that can put you in a different location.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hobzemk

hoax2pc

1) Call your insurance company and advise them of being served. Send them documents as well as anything you can find proving you were not involved. 2) The insurance company will assign the matter to an attorney, either in house or out depending on conflict check. The attorney will call you before filing an answer. MAKE SURE TO ADVISE THEM THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING NON-INVOLVEMENT as it should be pled as an affirmative defense in the answer. 3) Work with the attorney and insurance company. You will probably have to give a deposition. Some NY counties are plaintiff friendly and some are defense friendly. Depending on the county the insurance company might decide to fight or settle (even when claiming noninvolvement)

You are correct about needing to contact a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice. The other commenter is correct, the burden will be on this person to prove that this accident even happened, much less that you were at fault. If his lawsuit doesn’t seem like complete BS (somehow), then your lawyer will certainly look to verify his injuries/disabilities one way or another, probably through medical records and/or examination.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hobk8t8

hobzemk

The picture from a few months later can't be used as they can just say you got it repaired between the accident and when the picture was taken. The fact that there is no police report or any attempt at a claim within three years is the best evidence you have. File an answer to the claim that you dispute this to ensure there isn't a summary judgment prior to the court date.

1) Call your insurance company and advise them of being served. Send them documents as well as anything you can find proving you were not involved. 2) The insurance company will assign the matter to an attorney, either in house or out depending on conflict check. The attorney will call you before filing an answer. MAKE SURE TO ADVISE THEM THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING NON-INVOLVEMENT as it should be pled as an affirmative defense in the answer. 3) Work with the attorney and insurance company. You will probably have to give a deposition. Some NY counties are plaintiff friendly and some are defense friendly. Depending on the county the insurance company might decide to fight or settle (even when claiming noninvolvement)

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hobzemk

hoawflt

1) Call your insurance company and advise them of being served. Send them documents as well as anything you can find proving you were not involved. 2) The insurance company will assign the matter to an attorney, either in house or out depending on conflict check. The attorney will call you before filing an answer. MAKE SURE TO ADVISE THEM THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING NON-INVOLVEMENT as it should be pled as an affirmative defense in the answer. 3) Work with the attorney and insurance company. You will probably have to give a deposition. Some NY counties are plaintiff friendly and some are defense friendly. Depending on the county the insurance company might decide to fight or settle (even when claiming noninvolvement)

I think that more importantly, what proof does he have showing that you rear-ended him? Were there proof attached to the court documents? Do you recall being in the neighborhood or road that he claims the accident occured? I'm sure there are street cameras that can prove that but 3yrs ago footages may not exist anymore. I don't see how this will hold up in court at all without proof. Get yourself a good lawyer and fight it.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hoawflt

hoax2pc

I think that more importantly, what proof does he have showing that you rear-ended him? Were there proof attached to the court documents? Do you recall being in the neighborhood or road that he claims the accident occured? I'm sure there are street cameras that can prove that but 3yrs ago footages may not exist anymore. I don't see how this will hold up in court at all without proof. Get yourself a good lawyer and fight it.

You are correct about needing to contact a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice. The other commenter is correct, the burden will be on this person to prove that this accident even happened, much less that you were at fault. If his lawsuit doesn’t seem like complete BS (somehow), then your lawyer will certainly look to verify his injuries/disabilities one way or another, probably through medical records and/or examination.

rezirc

legaladvice_train

My mother and I are being sued over a car accident that I don’t recall happening. NY 2 days ago, a process server showed up at my house and served me and my mother court documents for a personal injury lawsuit against us. A man is alleging I rear-ended him on Dec 18, 2018, & caused him so much injury that he has lasting, debilitating, permanent injuries. At that time period I was driving a Subaru that was registered & insured to my mother. However: #1 I have zero recollection of being involved in a car accident at all whatsoever on the date alleged. #2 there was never a claim put into my mothers car insurance for any accident. #3 my car had no front end damage (I found a pic from a few months later & the front end is totally intact). #4 there is no accident report or police report for that day/time under my moms cars’ VIN #. Now if I rear-ended someone so badly that they’re still badly injured 3 years later, I’m SURE the police would have came , an accident report would have been taken, & my mothers car insurance would be involved. Moreover, if rear-ended someone THAT badly, my mothers Subaru would have had extensive front-end damage & would have had to be fixed at a body shop through her car insurance. My entire extended family (including my 13 year old daughter) do not remember me being involved in an accident or Moms Subaru having any front-end damage & they also do not recall that Subaru getting any body work done at any shop. I no longer have the car, it was totaled in an accident about 6 months later. (Which is unrelated but I want to add this fact to show that the Subaru hasnt had that car insurance for about 2 & 1/2 years now.) What are my & Moms' options? Should I hire a private investigator to do surveillance on the man suing us, to see if this man is as injured as he claims? Should my mother contact the car insurance she had on the Subaru at the time? I’m sure we need to contact a lawyer. But my biggest concern is, how can I prove in court that i didn't hit this dude ???

hobk8t8

hoawflt

The picture from a few months later can't be used as they can just say you got it repaired between the accident and when the picture was taken. The fact that there is no police report or any attempt at a claim within three years is the best evidence you have. File an answer to the claim that you dispute this to ensure there isn't a summary judgment prior to the court date.

I think that more importantly, what proof does he have showing that you rear-ended him? Were there proof attached to the court documents? Do you recall being in the neighborhood or road that he claims the accident occured? I'm sure there are street cameras that can prove that but 3yrs ago footages may not exist anymore. I don't see how this will hold up in court at all without proof. Get yourself a good lawyer and fight it.

7fbesg

legaladvice_train

[PA] I'm being sued for a car accident that my brother caused while driving my car, but my brother has never driven my car Two days before Thanksgiving, I got served with a lawsuit claiming that around a year and a half ago, my brother rear ended someone while he was using my car. The person he hit is now suing for medical expenses and lost wages. It says they want less than $50,000 but not exactly how much. It also says that my brother appeared impaired and that I was negligent for letting him borrow my car. There's no mention of the police being called or anything, but since I've never been sued before I don't know if it would say if they had been. My brother was a heroin addict, he died a few months after this accident in another car accident where he nodded out behind the wheel. I hadn't seen or spoken to him in nearly two years before that. I never let him borrow my car, I know my husband would have never let him borrow it. It was never stolen, and he couldn't have had access to my keys and just taken it without asking. I doubt he even knew where I was living at the time this happened, because we had only just bought our house. My guess is that he was in an accident in a friend's car or a stolen car and just told the person that it was his sister's. The lawsuit says it was a blue Toyota Camry, which is what I drive. But there are a million blue Toyota Camries on the road, so that could be a coincidence. I already called my insurance and explained the situation to them. They said that one of their lawyers will get in touch with me, but not until Monday or Tuesday because of the holiday, so I've just been googling liability and negligent entrustment and making myself crazy. My understanding is that it's hard to prove that you didn't willingly loan out your car if it's a friend or family member who was driving it, but I can't really find much about my specific situation. I'm really starting to worry that I'm going to lose. Does it seem like I have a real chance of proving that it wasn't my car in the accident? Could it be possible that there's a police report proving that the car was registered to someone else and they filed the lawsuit before double checking, or is that something a lawyer would make sure of beforehand? Also, if this lady *didn't* call the police even though she thought my brother was driving around high, would that have any bearing on anything? Any help or advice would be much appreciated, I have no idea what to expect here and I can't stop imagining all the ways this could turn out terrible.

dqapit8

dqarfr1

Suing for medical expenses I would assume there would be visible damage to the front of your car. But then again people sue for a headache so...any visible damage to your car or repairs performed during that time frame?

If there was no police report filed then its this drivers word vs your deceased brother. The insurance company will provide you a lawyer. Id suggest you dig through your records and make sure you can place the car in your possession on the date of the incident.

7fbesg

legaladvice_train

[PA] I'm being sued for a car accident that my brother caused while driving my car, but my brother has never driven my car Two days before Thanksgiving, I got served with a lawsuit claiming that around a year and a half ago, my brother rear ended someone while he was using my car. The person he hit is now suing for medical expenses and lost wages. It says they want less than $50,000 but not exactly how much. It also says that my brother appeared impaired and that I was negligent for letting him borrow my car. There's no mention of the police being called or anything, but since I've never been sued before I don't know if it would say if they had been. My brother was a heroin addict, he died a few months after this accident in another car accident where he nodded out behind the wheel. I hadn't seen or spoken to him in nearly two years before that. I never let him borrow my car, I know my husband would have never let him borrow it. It was never stolen, and he couldn't have had access to my keys and just taken it without asking. I doubt he even knew where I was living at the time this happened, because we had only just bought our house. My guess is that he was in an accident in a friend's car or a stolen car and just told the person that it was his sister's. The lawsuit says it was a blue Toyota Camry, which is what I drive. But there are a million blue Toyota Camries on the road, so that could be a coincidence. I already called my insurance and explained the situation to them. They said that one of their lawyers will get in touch with me, but not until Monday or Tuesday because of the holiday, so I've just been googling liability and negligent entrustment and making myself crazy. My understanding is that it's hard to prove that you didn't willingly loan out your car if it's a friend or family member who was driving it, but I can't really find much about my specific situation. I'm really starting to worry that I'm going to lose. Does it seem like I have a real chance of proving that it wasn't my car in the accident? Could it be possible that there's a police report proving that the car was registered to someone else and they filed the lawsuit before double checking, or is that something a lawyer would make sure of beforehand? Also, if this lady *didn't* call the police even though she thought my brother was driving around high, would that have any bearing on anything? Any help or advice would be much appreciated, I have no idea what to expect here and I can't stop imagining all the ways this could turn out terrible.

dqapn66

dqarfr1

Also, is it an actual summons from a court with a filing date stamped on it or a letter from an attorney?

If there was no police report filed then its this drivers word vs your deceased brother. The insurance company will provide you a lawyer. Id suggest you dig through your records and make sure you can place the car in your possession on the date of the incident.

7fbesg

legaladvice_train

[PA] I'm being sued for a car accident that my brother caused while driving my car, but my brother has never driven my car Two days before Thanksgiving, I got served with a lawsuit claiming that around a year and a half ago, my brother rear ended someone while he was using my car. The person he hit is now suing for medical expenses and lost wages. It says they want less than $50,000 but not exactly how much. It also says that my brother appeared impaired and that I was negligent for letting him borrow my car. There's no mention of the police being called or anything, but since I've never been sued before I don't know if it would say if they had been. My brother was a heroin addict, he died a few months after this accident in another car accident where he nodded out behind the wheel. I hadn't seen or spoken to him in nearly two years before that. I never let him borrow my car, I know my husband would have never let him borrow it. It was never stolen, and he couldn't have had access to my keys and just taken it without asking. I doubt he even knew where I was living at the time this happened, because we had only just bought our house. My guess is that he was in an accident in a friend's car or a stolen car and just told the person that it was his sister's. The lawsuit says it was a blue Toyota Camry, which is what I drive. But there are a million blue Toyota Camries on the road, so that could be a coincidence. I already called my insurance and explained the situation to them. They said that one of their lawyers will get in touch with me, but not until Monday or Tuesday because of the holiday, so I've just been googling liability and negligent entrustment and making myself crazy. My understanding is that it's hard to prove that you didn't willingly loan out your car if it's a friend or family member who was driving it, but I can't really find much about my specific situation. I'm really starting to worry that I'm going to lose. Does it seem like I have a real chance of proving that it wasn't my car in the accident? Could it be possible that there's a police report proving that the car was registered to someone else and they filed the lawsuit before double checking, or is that something a lawyer would make sure of beforehand? Also, if this lady *didn't* call the police even though she thought my brother was driving around high, would that have any bearing on anything? Any help or advice would be much appreciated, I have no idea what to expect here and I can't stop imagining all the ways this could turn out terrible.

dqapn66

dqb1gbk

Also, is it an actual summons from a court with a filing date stamped on it or a letter from an attorney?

>It says they want less than $50,000 but not exactly how much Based on this, I'd say it's a fishing expedition in attempt to collect from someone who's now uncollectable due to being deceased (plus it would be difficult to figure out the insurer and so forth). $50k is the usual minimum personal injury limit for insurance which makes it more likely the insurance company settles. Definitely get in touch with your insurance Monday and gather any information you have about your whereabouts.

7fbesg

legaladvice_train

[PA] I'm being sued for a car accident that my brother caused while driving my car, but my brother has never driven my car Two days before Thanksgiving, I got served with a lawsuit claiming that around a year and a half ago, my brother rear ended someone while he was using my car. The person he hit is now suing for medical expenses and lost wages. It says they want less than $50,000 but not exactly how much. It also says that my brother appeared impaired and that I was negligent for letting him borrow my car. There's no mention of the police being called or anything, but since I've never been sued before I don't know if it would say if they had been. My brother was a heroin addict, he died a few months after this accident in another car accident where he nodded out behind the wheel. I hadn't seen or spoken to him in nearly two years before that. I never let him borrow my car, I know my husband would have never let him borrow it. It was never stolen, and he couldn't have had access to my keys and just taken it without asking. I doubt he even knew where I was living at the time this happened, because we had only just bought our house. My guess is that he was in an accident in a friend's car or a stolen car and just told the person that it was his sister's. The lawsuit says it was a blue Toyota Camry, which is what I drive. But there are a million blue Toyota Camries on the road, so that could be a coincidence. I already called my insurance and explained the situation to them. They said that one of their lawyers will get in touch with me, but not until Monday or Tuesday because of the holiday, so I've just been googling liability and negligent entrustment and making myself crazy. My understanding is that it's hard to prove that you didn't willingly loan out your car if it's a friend or family member who was driving it, but I can't really find much about my specific situation. I'm really starting to worry that I'm going to lose. Does it seem like I have a real chance of proving that it wasn't my car in the accident? Could it be possible that there's a police report proving that the car was registered to someone else and they filed the lawsuit before double checking, or is that something a lawyer would make sure of beforehand? Also, if this lady *didn't* call the police even though she thought my brother was driving around high, would that have any bearing on anything? Any help or advice would be much appreciated, I have no idea what to expect here and I can't stop imagining all the ways this could turn out terrible.

dqapn66

dqb1yoa

Also, is it an actual summons from a court with a filing date stamped on it or a letter from an attorney?

Well the car was never damaged right? A rear end collision is going tear up your car too. A good automotive expert could likely look at your car and swear in court it had never been in accident.

7fbesg

legaladvice_train

[PA] I'm being sued for a car accident that my brother caused while driving my car, but my brother has never driven my car Two days before Thanksgiving, I got served with a lawsuit claiming that around a year and a half ago, my brother rear ended someone while he was using my car. The person he hit is now suing for medical expenses and lost wages. It says they want less than $50,000 but not exactly how much. It also says that my brother appeared impaired and that I was negligent for letting him borrow my car. There's no mention of the police being called or anything, but since I've never been sued before I don't know if it would say if they had been. My brother was a heroin addict, he died a few months after this accident in another car accident where he nodded out behind the wheel. I hadn't seen or spoken to him in nearly two years before that. I never let him borrow my car, I know my husband would have never let him borrow it. It was never stolen, and he couldn't have had access to my keys and just taken it without asking. I doubt he even knew where I was living at the time this happened, because we had only just bought our house. My guess is that he was in an accident in a friend's car or a stolen car and just told the person that it was his sister's. The lawsuit says it was a blue Toyota Camry, which is what I drive. But there are a million blue Toyota Camries on the road, so that could be a coincidence. I already called my insurance and explained the situation to them. They said that one of their lawyers will get in touch with me, but not until Monday or Tuesday because of the holiday, so I've just been googling liability and negligent entrustment and making myself crazy. My understanding is that it's hard to prove that you didn't willingly loan out your car if it's a friend or family member who was driving it, but I can't really find much about my specific situation. I'm really starting to worry that I'm going to lose. Does it seem like I have a real chance of proving that it wasn't my car in the accident? Could it be possible that there's a police report proving that the car was registered to someone else and they filed the lawsuit before double checking, or is that something a lawyer would make sure of beforehand? Also, if this lady *didn't* call the police even though she thought my brother was driving around high, would that have any bearing on anything? Any help or advice would be much appreciated, I have no idea what to expect here and I can't stop imagining all the ways this could turn out terrible.

dqb6pmt

dqapn66

Addicts lie. Your brother could have claimed it was your car at the time. Your insurance company will defend you and straighten it out. Do you still own the car? Any front-end damage? If the paperwork for the lawsuit lists a date, time, and location check all of your records such as calendar entries, credit card statements, etc. to refresh your memory of your whereabouts.

Also, is it an actual summons from a court with a filing date stamped on it or a letter from an attorney?

dwswdj

legaladvice_train

I (19M) am planning to report myself to my college for the sexual assault of a (ex)close friend (18F). What should I be prepared for. This happened in Michigan. This has all been so sudden and scary. I never thought I would be this person. After coming back from a party a week ago she and I engaged in sexual activity. I'm not sure how much detail I should go into so I'll just summarize. After returning from a party she and I were both fairly intoxicated. At this point I was aware that she was significantly more intoxicated than I was and that her judgement was impaired. Maybe 1-2 hours later we were in private. She told me that she was beginning to sober up. She initiated contact by moving my hand onto her breasts. I asked for and recieved consent twice. No clothing was ever removed and I only used my hands (I'm sorry if I'm using weird language I really dont know how to talk about this comfortably). This went on for a while until she abruptly got up and left. The next morning a recieved a text telling me that I comitted sexual assault, and that she did not plan on reporting me to the college or the police as long as I never tried to contact her. I have not attempted to contact her. I feel extreme guilt. This person was a close friend and I can't live peacefully knowing I hurt anyone this badly let alone somebody this important to me. I believed everything was consensual. Im not sure if I had reason to know if she was mentally incapable to consent given the circurmstances. I feel that the right thing to do is to report myself to my college to at least open am investigation. If I comitted assault I don't want to run away from it. What should I be prepared to face, and what should I do before I report the incident? What should I do in general?

f7laeqq

f7l9qdh

Legal advice: Do not contact the police about this. Do not contact your university about this. There are absolutely zero ways this goes good for you, and a few where it goes neutral and the cop looks at you like your nuts for trying to turn yourself in for something that *is not a crime.* You were both drunk. She initiated contact, you asked for consent, you didn't try to force her to stay when she left. You have done absolutely nothing wrong and this is one of the many situations that is not improved by the addition of police. Contacting a lawyer for a consultation might be a good idea because there is a chance she'll change her mind and call the police, but for now if you want to prepare for this coming up save a written copy of what happened. Basically what you wrote here. Personal advice: Dude you're gas lighting the shit out of yourself right now and making yourself feel guilty for something you did not even remotely do. I have no clue why this friend of yours reacted like this, that's on her. For now just don't contact her like she asked and move on from that friendship. Definitely don't tell people you assaulted her because *you did not*. It sounds like you've already rendered a guilty verdict for yourself. Honestly man, seek some therapy, and get some help clearing your head. Breathe and calm down and don't do anything drastic that will *legitimately ruin your life.* A sex crime investigation will haunt you like a wraith forever, even if you are declared innocent.

The simplest course of action is to respect her wishes and never contact her again. Save that text message. Take screenshots and photos of it and keep those somewhere safe. Contacting law enforcement violates her wishes, because they will contact her and ask her questions; you're forcing your decision on her. Did she literally use the words "sexual assault", or did she say something like "I was drunk and that was a stupid idea"? Consent is a very nuanced, very delicate issue. We could fill an entire sub with a discussion of consent and we'd only scratch the surface. It is both a binary (either all involved parties consent, or consent wasn't given) and broad spectrum issue. For example: a couple has sex while one of them is screaming "no, stop". Was consent violated? What if they were roleplaying? What if they weren't? As an outsider, you lack the context to determine consent, so you can't possibly say. Only the parties directly involved have the right to determine consent. That's why the law has such a hard time figuring out consent. We make blanket, general statements like "you can't consent while intoxicated", and that's often correct. But there are also situations where that's wrong. For example, if a couple has sex while intoxicated and they both freely consented to the act before, during, and after the act. Should the law tell one party "no, you're wrong, you don't have the right to consent"? If so, who? The facts that you describe are what's called "mitigating". She initiated the sexual contact. You asked for consent, and she affirmed. You asked again, and she affirmed again. If either of you at any point said anything not positive, such as "I'm not sure this is a good idea", "maybe we should stop", "I don't know about this", etc, then consent was revoked and you both need to immediately stop. But you don't mention anything like that. We don't like to acknowledge this, but sometimes people make bad decisions and improperly blame others. None of us were there so we can't say if that was the case. But from a purely legal perspective, contacting law enforcement forces your decision to engage in self-flagellation on her. If you violated her consent -- and it doesn't sound like you did -- then she is the only one who has the right to decide how to proceed. You have no authority to take that away from her.

dwswdj

legaladvice_train

I (19M) am planning to report myself to my college for the sexual assault of a (ex)close friend (18F). What should I be prepared for. This happened in Michigan. This has all been so sudden and scary. I never thought I would be this person. After coming back from a party a week ago she and I engaged in sexual activity. I'm not sure how much detail I should go into so I'll just summarize. After returning from a party she and I were both fairly intoxicated. At this point I was aware that she was significantly more intoxicated than I was and that her judgement was impaired. Maybe 1-2 hours later we were in private. She told me that she was beginning to sober up. She initiated contact by moving my hand onto her breasts. I asked for and recieved consent twice. No clothing was ever removed and I only used my hands (I'm sorry if I'm using weird language I really dont know how to talk about this comfortably). This went on for a while until she abruptly got up and left. The next morning a recieved a text telling me that I comitted sexual assault, and that she did not plan on reporting me to the college or the police as long as I never tried to contact her. I have not attempted to contact her. I feel extreme guilt. This person was a close friend and I can't live peacefully knowing I hurt anyone this badly let alone somebody this important to me. I believed everything was consensual. Im not sure if I had reason to know if she was mentally incapable to consent given the circurmstances. I feel that the right thing to do is to report myself to my college to at least open am investigation. If I comitted assault I don't want to run away from it. What should I be prepared to face, and what should I do before I report the incident? What should I do in general?

f7laeqq

f7l9b9l

Legal advice: Do not contact the police about this. Do not contact your university about this. There are absolutely zero ways this goes good for you, and a few where it goes neutral and the cop looks at you like your nuts for trying to turn yourself in for something that *is not a crime.* You were both drunk. She initiated contact, you asked for consent, you didn't try to force her to stay when she left. You have done absolutely nothing wrong and this is one of the many situations that is not improved by the addition of police. Contacting a lawyer for a consultation might be a good idea because there is a chance she'll change her mind and call the police, but for now if you want to prepare for this coming up save a written copy of what happened. Basically what you wrote here. Personal advice: Dude you're gas lighting the shit out of yourself right now and making yourself feel guilty for something you did not even remotely do. I have no clue why this friend of yours reacted like this, that's on her. For now just don't contact her like she asked and move on from that friendship. Definitely don't tell people you assaulted her because *you did not*. It sounds like you've already rendered a guilty verdict for yourself. Honestly man, seek some therapy, and get some help clearing your head. Breathe and calm down and don't do anything drastic that will *legitimately ruin your life.* A sex crime investigation will haunt you like a wraith forever, even if you are declared innocent.

If she's not reporting it, don't report it yourself. Bringing it into the college's policy/legal system is likely to result in them talking to her about, and it certainly doesn't sound as if she wants to discuss the experience with strangers, possibly on several occasions. Talk to a counselor on campus about it, both about your own feelings and what would be practical to do going forward. But don't involve the authorities or punishment system if she doesn't want to do that herself. It won't help her or you feel any better.

dwswdj

legaladvice_train

I (19M) am planning to report myself to my college for the sexual assault of a (ex)close friend (18F). What should I be prepared for. This happened in Michigan. This has all been so sudden and scary. I never thought I would be this person. After coming back from a party a week ago she and I engaged in sexual activity. I'm not sure how much detail I should go into so I'll just summarize. After returning from a party she and I were both fairly intoxicated. At this point I was aware that she was significantly more intoxicated than I was and that her judgement was impaired. Maybe 1-2 hours later we were in private. She told me that she was beginning to sober up. She initiated contact by moving my hand onto her breasts. I asked for and recieved consent twice. No clothing was ever removed and I only used my hands (I'm sorry if I'm using weird language I really dont know how to talk about this comfortably). This went on for a while until she abruptly got up and left. The next morning a recieved a text telling me that I comitted sexual assault, and that she did not plan on reporting me to the college or the police as long as I never tried to contact her. I have not attempted to contact her. I feel extreme guilt. This person was a close friend and I can't live peacefully knowing I hurt anyone this badly let alone somebody this important to me. I believed everything was consensual. Im not sure if I had reason to know if she was mentally incapable to consent given the circurmstances. I feel that the right thing to do is to report myself to my college to at least open am investigation. If I comitted assault I don't want to run away from it. What should I be prepared to face, and what should I do before I report the incident? What should I do in general?

f7laeqq

f7l8ybb

Legal advice: Do not contact the police about this. Do not contact your university about this. There are absolutely zero ways this goes good for you, and a few where it goes neutral and the cop looks at you like your nuts for trying to turn yourself in for something that *is not a crime.* You were both drunk. She initiated contact, you asked for consent, you didn't try to force her to stay when she left. You have done absolutely nothing wrong and this is one of the many situations that is not improved by the addition of police. Contacting a lawyer for a consultation might be a good idea because there is a chance she'll change her mind and call the police, but for now if you want to prepare for this coming up save a written copy of what happened. Basically what you wrote here. Personal advice: Dude you're gas lighting the shit out of yourself right now and making yourself feel guilty for something you did not even remotely do. I have no clue why this friend of yours reacted like this, that's on her. For now just don't contact her like she asked and move on from that friendship. Definitely don't tell people you assaulted her because *you did not*. It sounds like you've already rendered a guilty verdict for yourself. Honestly man, seek some therapy, and get some help clearing your head. Breathe and calm down and don't do anything drastic that will *legitimately ruin your life.* A sex crime investigation will haunt you like a wraith forever, even if you are declared innocent.

The right thing to do is honor her wish and do not contact her. Beyond that, what you describe is not assault. DO NOT REPORT YOURSELF. BASED ON YOUR NARRATIVE YOU COMMITTED NO CRIME.

dwswdj

legaladvice_train

I (19M) am planning to report myself to my college for the sexual assault of a (ex)close friend (18F). What should I be prepared for. This happened in Michigan. This has all been so sudden and scary. I never thought I would be this person. After coming back from a party a week ago she and I engaged in sexual activity. I'm not sure how much detail I should go into so I'll just summarize. After returning from a party she and I were both fairly intoxicated. At this point I was aware that she was significantly more intoxicated than I was and that her judgement was impaired. Maybe 1-2 hours later we were in private. She told me that she was beginning to sober up. She initiated contact by moving my hand onto her breasts. I asked for and recieved consent twice. No clothing was ever removed and I only used my hands (I'm sorry if I'm using weird language I really dont know how to talk about this comfortably). This went on for a while until she abruptly got up and left. The next morning a recieved a text telling me that I comitted sexual assault, and that she did not plan on reporting me to the college or the police as long as I never tried to contact her. I have not attempted to contact her. I feel extreme guilt. This person was a close friend and I can't live peacefully knowing I hurt anyone this badly let alone somebody this important to me. I believed everything was consensual. Im not sure if I had reason to know if she was mentally incapable to consent given the circurmstances. I feel that the right thing to do is to report myself to my college to at least open am investigation. If I comitted assault I don't want to run away from it. What should I be prepared to face, and what should I do before I report the incident? What should I do in general?

f7l9qdh

f7l9b9l

The simplest course of action is to respect her wishes and never contact her again. Save that text message. Take screenshots and photos of it and keep those somewhere safe. Contacting law enforcement violates her wishes, because they will contact her and ask her questions; you're forcing your decision on her. Did she literally use the words "sexual assault", or did she say something like "I was drunk and that was a stupid idea"? Consent is a very nuanced, very delicate issue. We could fill an entire sub with a discussion of consent and we'd only scratch the surface. It is both a binary (either all involved parties consent, or consent wasn't given) and broad spectrum issue. For example: a couple has sex while one of them is screaming "no, stop". Was consent violated? What if they were roleplaying? What if they weren't? As an outsider, you lack the context to determine consent, so you can't possibly say. Only the parties directly involved have the right to determine consent. That's why the law has such a hard time figuring out consent. We make blanket, general statements like "you can't consent while intoxicated", and that's often correct. But there are also situations where that's wrong. For example, if a couple has sex while intoxicated and they both freely consented to the act before, during, and after the act. Should the law tell one party "no, you're wrong, you don't have the right to consent"? If so, who? The facts that you describe are what's called "mitigating". She initiated the sexual contact. You asked for consent, and she affirmed. You asked again, and she affirmed again. If either of you at any point said anything not positive, such as "I'm not sure this is a good idea", "maybe we should stop", "I don't know about this", etc, then consent was revoked and you both need to immediately stop. But you don't mention anything like that. We don't like to acknowledge this, but sometimes people make bad decisions and improperly blame others. None of us were there so we can't say if that was the case. But from a purely legal perspective, contacting law enforcement forces your decision to engage in self-flagellation on her. If you violated her consent -- and it doesn't sound like you did -- then she is the only one who has the right to decide how to proceed. You have no authority to take that away from her.

If she's not reporting it, don't report it yourself. Bringing it into the college's policy/legal system is likely to result in them talking to her about, and it certainly doesn't sound as if she wants to discuss the experience with strangers, possibly on several occasions. Talk to a counselor on campus about it, both about your own feelings and what would be practical to do going forward. But don't involve the authorities or punishment system if she doesn't want to do that herself. It won't help her or you feel any better.

dwswdj

legaladvice_train

I (19M) am planning to report myself to my college for the sexual assault of a (ex)close friend (18F). What should I be prepared for. This happened in Michigan. This has all been so sudden and scary. I never thought I would be this person. After coming back from a party a week ago she and I engaged in sexual activity. I'm not sure how much detail I should go into so I'll just summarize. After returning from a party she and I were both fairly intoxicated. At this point I was aware that she was significantly more intoxicated than I was and that her judgement was impaired. Maybe 1-2 hours later we were in private. She told me that she was beginning to sober up. She initiated contact by moving my hand onto her breasts. I asked for and recieved consent twice. No clothing was ever removed and I only used my hands (I'm sorry if I'm using weird language I really dont know how to talk about this comfortably). This went on for a while until she abruptly got up and left. The next morning a recieved a text telling me that I comitted sexual assault, and that she did not plan on reporting me to the college or the police as long as I never tried to contact her. I have not attempted to contact her. I feel extreme guilt. This person was a close friend and I can't live peacefully knowing I hurt anyone this badly let alone somebody this important to me. I believed everything was consensual. Im not sure if I had reason to know if she was mentally incapable to consent given the circurmstances. I feel that the right thing to do is to report myself to my college to at least open am investigation. If I comitted assault I don't want to run away from it. What should I be prepared to face, and what should I do before I report the incident? What should I do in general?

f7l8ybb

f7l9qdh

The right thing to do is honor her wish and do not contact her. Beyond that, what you describe is not assault. DO NOT REPORT YOURSELF. BASED ON YOUR NARRATIVE YOU COMMITTED NO CRIME.

The simplest course of action is to respect her wishes and never contact her again. Save that text message. Take screenshots and photos of it and keep those somewhere safe. Contacting law enforcement violates her wishes, because they will contact her and ask her questions; you're forcing your decision on her. Did she literally use the words "sexual assault", or did she say something like "I was drunk and that was a stupid idea"? Consent is a very nuanced, very delicate issue. We could fill an entire sub with a discussion of consent and we'd only scratch the surface. It is both a binary (either all involved parties consent, or consent wasn't given) and broad spectrum issue. For example: a couple has sex while one of them is screaming "no, stop". Was consent violated? What if they were roleplaying? What if they weren't? As an outsider, you lack the context to determine consent, so you can't possibly say. Only the parties directly involved have the right to determine consent. That's why the law has such a hard time figuring out consent. We make blanket, general statements like "you can't consent while intoxicated", and that's often correct. But there are also situations where that's wrong. For example, if a couple has sex while intoxicated and they both freely consented to the act before, during, and after the act. Should the law tell one party "no, you're wrong, you don't have the right to consent"? If so, who? The facts that you describe are what's called "mitigating". She initiated the sexual contact. You asked for consent, and she affirmed. You asked again, and she affirmed again. If either of you at any point said anything not positive, such as "I'm not sure this is a good idea", "maybe we should stop", "I don't know about this", etc, then consent was revoked and you both need to immediately stop. But you don't mention anything like that. We don't like to acknowledge this, but sometimes people make bad decisions and improperly blame others. None of us were there so we can't say if that was the case. But from a purely legal perspective, contacting law enforcement forces your decision to engage in self-flagellation on her. If you violated her consent -- and it doesn't sound like you did -- then she is the only one who has the right to decide how to proceed. You have no authority to take that away from her.

dwswdj

legaladvice_train

I (19M) am planning to report myself to my college for the sexual assault of a (ex)close friend (18F). What should I be prepared for. This happened in Michigan. This has all been so sudden and scary. I never thought I would be this person. After coming back from a party a week ago she and I engaged in sexual activity. I'm not sure how much detail I should go into so I'll just summarize. After returning from a party she and I were both fairly intoxicated. At this point I was aware that she was significantly more intoxicated than I was and that her judgement was impaired. Maybe 1-2 hours later we were in private. She told me that she was beginning to sober up. She initiated contact by moving my hand onto her breasts. I asked for and recieved consent twice. No clothing was ever removed and I only used my hands (I'm sorry if I'm using weird language I really dont know how to talk about this comfortably). This went on for a while until she abruptly got up and left. The next morning a recieved a text telling me that I comitted sexual assault, and that she did not plan on reporting me to the college or the police as long as I never tried to contact her. I have not attempted to contact her. I feel extreme guilt. This person was a close friend and I can't live peacefully knowing I hurt anyone this badly let alone somebody this important to me. I believed everything was consensual. Im not sure if I had reason to know if she was mentally incapable to consent given the circurmstances. I feel that the right thing to do is to report myself to my college to at least open am investigation. If I comitted assault I don't want to run away from it. What should I be prepared to face, and what should I do before I report the incident? What should I do in general?

f7l8ybb

f7l9b9l

The right thing to do is honor her wish and do not contact her. Beyond that, what you describe is not assault. DO NOT REPORT YOURSELF. BASED ON YOUR NARRATIVE YOU COMMITTED NO CRIME.

If she's not reporting it, don't report it yourself. Bringing it into the college's policy/legal system is likely to result in them talking to her about, and it certainly doesn't sound as if she wants to discuss the experience with strangers, possibly on several occasions. Talk to a counselor on campus about it, both about your own feelings and what would be practical to do going forward. But don't involve the authorities or punishment system if she doesn't want to do that herself. It won't help her or you feel any better.

azgpa2

legaladvice_train

[FL] Being sued for car accident 2 years ago after receiving a demand letter This is in Florida. 1 month ago I got a demand letter. I notified my insurance. They said they would call me back. Still haven't heard from them. I wrote an email to the lawyer in the letter stating that I deny any responsibilities regarding the accident since it was not my fault and that was stated in the police report. Yesterday (Mar 9) I got a summon to a civil court by an officer. What should I do now? Should I call my insurance or contact a lawyer of my own? Will my insurance provide me a lawyer needed? It's obvious I was not at fault in the accident, if I won the case, will all the fees be covered by the one who sue me?

ei7shlh

ei85mso

Police don't determine fault in an accident as it's a civil case, not criminal. As others said, notify the insurance company you had at the time. They will provide an attorney to represent you

Contact your insurance ASAP. If you don’t get help from them before your summons date, make sure you appear in court with your police report stating you weren’t at fault. Do not blow off the summons.

azgpa2

legaladvice_train

[FL] Being sued for car accident 2 years ago after receiving a demand letter This is in Florida. 1 month ago I got a demand letter. I notified my insurance. They said they would call me back. Still haven't heard from them. I wrote an email to the lawyer in the letter stating that I deny any responsibilities regarding the accident since it was not my fault and that was stated in the police report. Yesterday (Mar 9) I got a summon to a civil court by an officer. What should I do now? Should I call my insurance or contact a lawyer of my own? Will my insurance provide me a lawyer needed? It's obvious I was not at fault in the accident, if I won the case, will all the fees be covered by the one who sue me?

ei87hcy

ei7shlh

Definitely call your insurance company. They should be able to provide a lawyer. Also you should never talk to the other side without a lawyer. Ever. Even if it seems helpful it's not. They can use even the smallest thing you said to them against you.

Police don't determine fault in an accident as it's a civil case, not criminal. As others said, notify the insurance company you had at the time. They will provide an attorney to represent you

fcz20r

legaladvice_train

(NY) Being sued three years after a car accident happened. I am destitute, what will happen? I rear ended a car in 2017, their car was relatively fine, but mine was totaled. My insurance covered everything and their medical as far as I know. Three years later, after a series of bad luck (wife was laid off recently, medical emergencies not covered by insurance) I receive a notice that I am being sued for injuries caused by the accident. They filed just days before the three year anniversary, but I did not receive the summons until two months after they filed. This is completely new to me, I have no assets, and I have no idea what to do.

fje4lr7

fjdwy8b

Take a deep breath and let the insurance know right away. Probably they did not wanted to accept the insurance settlement and that's why they're trying to sue you directly. Which won't work anyway because like you said, you have no assets. It would be like squeezing blood from a rock. Went through this same exact thing back in 2011 and thankfully, insurance took care of it all....

Notify the automobile insurance carrier you had when the accident happened.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gaw8ddq

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Technically it's theft. I can't imagine the police taking it seriously though. If you actually are questioned, get a lawyer. Otherwise ignore them. They could sue you, likely in small claims. It should be easy to defend against and the Judge will probably not be impressed by the plaintiff. Even if you somehow lose you'll just have to repay the cost of the food and containers. Your workplace could fire you for this if they want. They would be pretty stupid if they did, but they could.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawpo58

gax0qkg

In the future, bring something like this up to management. It’s not worth losing your job over something so stupid and it gives you a witness to what you were describing.

>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gax0qkg

gaww8un

>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

For the future you should ask your company to put up a sign that says every Friday at 5pm the refrigerator will be cleaned out and anything left inside will be thrown in the trash. My old job had that and it seemed to work well.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawzzni

gax0qkg

The value of this in small claims court is less than the filing fee in most states. Highly unlikely and the judge would laugh. &#x200B; The police would be highly unlikely to take this seriously and would likely laugh. &#x200B; Your HR may take it seriously, in which case I would dust off the ole' resume. But based on the fridge, this doesn't sound like a well run business. &#x200B; TL;DR: Your exposure on this is really low.

>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gax0mxi

gax0qkg

Legally, you don't have much to worry about, as no judge is going to entertain "he threw away my rotting mouldy food from thr fridge so that's theft/destruction of property" unless it was some super expensive aged A5 wagyu or something. However. your potentially bigger issue is with your employer. Typically employers will designate someone (usually office manager or cleaner) to periodically clean fridge. They cover themselves by having policies in place and sending out email reminders that rotten or expired food will be thrown out. You may have broken company policy by taking matters into your own hands, and HR might get involved depending on how by the book your office is.

>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawx2nj

gax0qkg

Go to the hr And complain about this coworkers conduct of harassment because they were being lazy I guarantee you something in and the company policy states that the fridge should be cleaned out regular. You’re not his mama or daddy so you should not I have to clean up after that person.

>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawxi8z

gax0qkg

You don't state your position in the company but for future reference you should ask your HR or office manager to handle the fridge. Or at least a manager. You may be disciplined by your company for doing it yourself and the coworker can indeed report you to HR. Now, their police report is not as likely to gain any traction...

>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawzlss

gax0qkg

Not a lawyer From my understanding the "theft and destruction of property" argument would work but the claim is so insignificant there wouldn't any real issue to it. Essentially laughed at from the police. Now as far as work goes if they go to HR in some capacity there may be some remediation that will happen and then a formal policy created about storing items. Again though I can't see HR putting a note in a file or anything based on throwing away rotting food.. It legitimately is a health hazard.

>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gax0jyt

gax0qkg

If you have a Union, I’d request your union rep be present for any meetings with supervisors or HR.

>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gax0qkg

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>They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. The police are almost certainly going to give exactly zero shits about a workplace refrigerator dispute. That aspect just isn't worth worrying about. HR can treat this nearly any way they want. They can do nothing, they can fire both of you, or they can do almost anything in between. But if you tell them that you only threw away spoiled food, most reasonable HR folks aren't going to give you any grief.

jmn7m4

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I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gawpo58

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In the future, bring something like this up to management. It’s not worth losing your job over something so stupid and it gives you a witness to what you were describing.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaww8un

gaw5p25

For the future you should ask your company to put up a sign that says every Friday at 5pm the refrigerator will be cleaned out and anything left inside will be thrown in the trash. My old job had that and it seemed to work well.

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jmn7m4

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I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawx2nj

gawzzni

Go to the hr And complain about this coworkers conduct of harassment because they were being lazy I guarantee you something in and the company policy states that the fridge should be cleaned out regular. You’re not his mama or daddy so you should not I have to clean up after that person.

The value of this in small claims court is less than the filing fee in most states. Highly unlikely and the judge would laugh. &#x200B; The police would be highly unlikely to take this seriously and would likely laugh. &#x200B; Your HR may take it seriously, in which case I would dust off the ole' resume. But based on the fridge, this doesn't sound like a well run business. &#x200B; TL;DR: Your exposure on this is really low.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawzzni

gawxi8z

The value of this in small claims court is less than the filing fee in most states. Highly unlikely and the judge would laugh. &#x200B; The police would be highly unlikely to take this seriously and would likely laugh. &#x200B; Your HR may take it seriously, in which case I would dust off the ole' resume. But based on the fridge, this doesn't sound like a well run business. &#x200B; TL;DR: Your exposure on this is really low.

You don't state your position in the company but for future reference you should ask your HR or office manager to handle the fridge. Or at least a manager. You may be disciplined by your company for doing it yourself and the coworker can indeed report you to HR. Now, their police report is not as likely to gain any traction...

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawzlss

gawzzni

Not a lawyer From my understanding the "theft and destruction of property" argument would work but the claim is so insignificant there wouldn't any real issue to it. Essentially laughed at from the police. Now as far as work goes if they go to HR in some capacity there may be some remediation that will happen and then a formal policy created about storing items. Again though I can't see HR putting a note in a file or anything based on throwing away rotting food.. It legitimately is a health hazard.

The value of this in small claims court is less than the filing fee in most states. Highly unlikely and the judge would laugh. &#x200B; The police would be highly unlikely to take this seriously and would likely laugh. &#x200B; Your HR may take it seriously, in which case I would dust off the ole' resume. But based on the fridge, this doesn't sound like a well run business. &#x200B; TL;DR: Your exposure on this is really low.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gawzzni

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The value of this in small claims court is less than the filing fee in most states. Highly unlikely and the judge would laugh. &#x200B; The police would be highly unlikely to take this seriously and would likely laugh. &#x200B; Your HR may take it seriously, in which case I would dust off the ole' resume. But based on the fridge, this doesn't sound like a well run business. &#x200B; TL;DR: Your exposure on this is really low.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawx2nj

gax0mxi

Go to the hr And complain about this coworkers conduct of harassment because they were being lazy I guarantee you something in and the company policy states that the fridge should be cleaned out regular. You’re not his mama or daddy so you should not I have to clean up after that person.

Legally, you don't have much to worry about, as no judge is going to entertain "he threw away my rotting mouldy food from thr fridge so that's theft/destruction of property" unless it was some super expensive aged A5 wagyu or something. However. your potentially bigger issue is with your employer. Typically employers will designate someone (usually office manager or cleaner) to periodically clean fridge. They cover themselves by having policies in place and sending out email reminders that rotten or expired food will be thrown out. You may have broken company policy by taking matters into your own hands, and HR might get involved depending on how by the book your office is.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gax0mxi

gawxi8z

Legally, you don't have much to worry about, as no judge is going to entertain "he threw away my rotting mouldy food from thr fridge so that's theft/destruction of property" unless it was some super expensive aged A5 wagyu or something. However. your potentially bigger issue is with your employer. Typically employers will designate someone (usually office manager or cleaner) to periodically clean fridge. They cover themselves by having policies in place and sending out email reminders that rotten or expired food will be thrown out. You may have broken company policy by taking matters into your own hands, and HR might get involved depending on how by the book your office is.

You don't state your position in the company but for future reference you should ask your HR or office manager to handle the fridge. Or at least a manager. You may be disciplined by your company for doing it yourself and the coworker can indeed report you to HR. Now, their police report is not as likely to gain any traction...

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawzlss

gax0mxi

Not a lawyer From my understanding the "theft and destruction of property" argument would work but the claim is so insignificant there wouldn't any real issue to it. Essentially laughed at from the police. Now as far as work goes if they go to HR in some capacity there may be some remediation that will happen and then a formal policy created about storing items. Again though I can't see HR putting a note in a file or anything based on throwing away rotting food.. It legitimately is a health hazard.

Legally, you don't have much to worry about, as no judge is going to entertain "he threw away my rotting mouldy food from thr fridge so that's theft/destruction of property" unless it was some super expensive aged A5 wagyu or something. However. your potentially bigger issue is with your employer. Typically employers will designate someone (usually office manager or cleaner) to periodically clean fridge. They cover themselves by having policies in place and sending out email reminders that rotten or expired food will be thrown out. You may have broken company policy by taking matters into your own hands, and HR might get involved depending on how by the book your office is.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gax0jyt

gax0mxi

If you have a Union, I’d request your union rep be present for any meetings with supervisors or HR.

Legally, you don't have much to worry about, as no judge is going to entertain "he threw away my rotting mouldy food from thr fridge so that's theft/destruction of property" unless it was some super expensive aged A5 wagyu or something. However. your potentially bigger issue is with your employer. Typically employers will designate someone (usually office manager or cleaner) to periodically clean fridge. They cover themselves by having policies in place and sending out email reminders that rotten or expired food will be thrown out. You may have broken company policy by taking matters into your own hands, and HR might get involved depending on how by the book your office is.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gax0mxi

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Legally, you don't have much to worry about, as no judge is going to entertain "he threw away my rotting mouldy food from thr fridge so that's theft/destruction of property" unless it was some super expensive aged A5 wagyu or something. However. your potentially bigger issue is with your employer. Typically employers will designate someone (usually office manager or cleaner) to periodically clean fridge. They cover themselves by having policies in place and sending out email reminders that rotten or expired food will be thrown out. You may have broken company policy by taking matters into your own hands, and HR might get involved depending on how by the book your office is.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gawxi8z

gawx2nj

You don't state your position in the company but for future reference you should ask your HR or office manager to handle the fridge. Or at least a manager. You may be disciplined by your company for doing it yourself and the coworker can indeed report you to HR. Now, their police report is not as likely to gain any traction...

Go to the hr And complain about this coworkers conduct of harassment because they were being lazy I guarantee you something in and the company policy states that the fridge should be cleaned out regular. You’re not his mama or daddy so you should not I have to clean up after that person.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gawx2nj

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Go to the hr And complain about this coworkers conduct of harassment because they were being lazy I guarantee you something in and the company policy states that the fridge should be cleaned out regular. You’re not his mama or daddy so you should not I have to clean up after that person.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gawxi8z

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You don't state your position in the company but for future reference you should ask your HR or office manager to handle the fridge. Or at least a manager. You may be disciplined by your company for doing it yourself and the coworker can indeed report you to HR. Now, their police report is not as likely to gain any traction...

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gawzlss

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Not a lawyer From my understanding the "theft and destruction of property" argument would work but the claim is so insignificant there wouldn't any real issue to it. Essentially laughed at from the police. Now as far as work goes if they go to HR in some capacity there may be some remediation that will happen and then a formal policy created about storing items. Again though I can't see HR putting a note in a file or anything based on throwing away rotting food.. It legitimately is a health hazard.

jmn7m4

legaladvice_train

I threw away my coworker's rotten food that was stored in the shared fridge, but now I'm being accused of theft and destruction of property. This the weirdest timeline. We have a shared fridge at work. Some people can't seem to leave it clean, so the other day I decided to clean it and throw away what was rotting in it. There were containers with moldy and disgusting food that have been there for weeks, yogurt that expired months ago and other disgusting old stuff all belonging to the same person. I asked them several times to throw it away but they didn't. In the end I threw it all away because of the risk of food poisoning for everyone. Now my coworker is upset I did this because they say some of it might still have been good (it wasn't). They're accusing me of theft and want to report me to the police and HR for stealing and destroying their property. Could destroying this inedible food really be considered theft and/or destruction of property? I know this sounds really dumb but I'd like to be sure.

gaw5p25

gax0jyt

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If you have a Union, I’d request your union rep be present for any meetings with supervisors or HR.

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw2y7bd

cw2uw1g

> I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, Almost like somebody in the ID theft business would...

Hey: there are a lot of scams, particularly computer randsoming and identity scams involving the computer running around. I've had to deal with it for clients before (particularly the fbi Randsomeware virus). You should follow the advice of given on here about contacting the fbi directly to confirm. INAL but am a IT guy who hunted down Spyware/malware for paranoid clients and paranoid clients who were right to be paranoid.

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw2y7bd

cw2v8wn

> I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, Almost like somebody in the ID theft business would...

>my credit is in good standing If you are at all concerned about identity theft, then it's not your "credit score" or "good standing" that you should be worried about. By the time your "credit score" tanks it will be several months too late. If you are concerned about identity theft, then you want to get a copy of your actual credit report NOW to make sure that nobody has opened any credit in your name, and you want to at least put a 90 day fraud alert hold on your credit report. Both things can be done for free.

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw2uya2

cw2y7bd

Make sure it's not a scam before doing anything else. Your name and address are public, you have no idea that any of the case information is true. Is the social media page with the info on your server public? If not, how did he gain access to it? Did he say which field office he works for? Call that field office directly from the phone number on their website, not the number he gave you, explain the situation, and ask for more info and to speak to the agent. You could also offer to meet him at his office (which should be in a federal building) or at the local police station and bring with you any server logs and eBay records. Even if it's not a scam, it seems strange to allow the fbi direct access to your computer without a good idea of exactly what they plan to do and how they plan to do it. Is there something he can do to learn more about the hack that you couldn't? Are you really comfortable letting some random person who cold-called you mess around on your home server?

> I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, Almost like somebody in the ID theft business would...

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw2y7bd

cw2y6pq

> I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, Almost like somebody in the ID theft business would...

Don't meet him at your house the first time, meet him at his office. Let him show you the evidence first. I can't see any reason he would need to access your stuff.

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw2v8wn

cw2uya2

>my credit is in good standing If you are at all concerned about identity theft, then it's not your "credit score" or "good standing" that you should be worried about. By the time your "credit score" tanks it will be several months too late. If you are concerned about identity theft, then you want to get a copy of your actual credit report NOW to make sure that nobody has opened any credit in your name, and you want to at least put a 90 day fraud alert hold on your credit report. Both things can be done for free.

Make sure it's not a scam before doing anything else. Your name and address are public, you have no idea that any of the case information is true. Is the social media page with the info on your server public? If not, how did he gain access to it? Did he say which field office he works for? Call that field office directly from the phone number on their website, not the number he gave you, explain the situation, and ask for more info and to speak to the agent. You could also offer to meet him at his office (which should be in a federal building) or at the local police station and bring with you any server logs and eBay records. Even if it's not a scam, it seems strange to allow the fbi direct access to your computer without a good idea of exactly what they plan to do and how they plan to do it. Is there something he can do to learn more about the hack that you couldn't? Are you really comfortable letting some random person who cold-called you mess around on your home server?

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw2uya2

cw32pvu

Make sure it's not a scam before doing anything else. Your name and address are public, you have no idea that any of the case information is true. Is the social media page with the info on your server public? If not, how did he gain access to it? Did he say which field office he works for? Call that field office directly from the phone number on their website, not the number he gave you, explain the situation, and ask for more info and to speak to the agent. You could also offer to meet him at his office (which should be in a federal building) or at the local police station and bring with you any server logs and eBay records. Even if it's not a scam, it seems strange to allow the fbi direct access to your computer without a good idea of exactly what they plan to do and how they plan to do it. Is there something he can do to learn more about the hack that you couldn't? Are you really comfortable letting some random person who cold-called you mess around on your home server?

Next he'll want you to help the investigation by going through with a large purchase, but don't worry, the Feds will reimburse you for your expenses. Even if this is really an FBI guy, you have no reason to think that they're not investigating you. If you want to help them, meet in the FBI's office and bring a crimminal defense lawyer with you.

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw2y6pq

cw32pvu

Don't meet him at your house the first time, meet him at his office. Let him show you the evidence first. I can't see any reason he would need to access your stuff.

Next he'll want you to help the investigation by going through with a large purchase, but don't worry, the Feds will reimburse you for your expenses. Even if this is really an FBI guy, you have no reason to think that they're not investigating you. If you want to help them, meet in the FBI's office and bring a crimminal defense lawyer with you.

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw2y6pq

cw2uya2

Don't meet him at your house the first time, meet him at his office. Let him show you the evidence first. I can't see any reason he would need to access your stuff.

Make sure it's not a scam before doing anything else. Your name and address are public, you have no idea that any of the case information is true. Is the social media page with the info on your server public? If not, how did he gain access to it? Did he say which field office he works for? Call that field office directly from the phone number on their website, not the number he gave you, explain the situation, and ask for more info and to speak to the agent. You could also offer to meet him at his office (which should be in a federal building) or at the local police station and bring with you any server logs and eBay records. Even if it's not a scam, it seems strange to allow the fbi direct access to your computer without a good idea of exactly what they plan to do and how they plan to do it. Is there something he can do to learn more about the hack that you couldn't? Are you really comfortable letting some random person who cold-called you mess around on your home server?

3p3a4v

legaladvice_train

[US] FBI agent called and said I may be a victim of identity theft and wants to meet me at my house. Is it okay for me to share information him? Hi everyone, Our phone lines were down for a few days, but they went back up today. One of the messages we got was for me, from someone from the FBI. I trust he is an FBI agent because he had my name, address, he had quite a lot of information about whatever the case was, and he provided his work and cell number for me to call. When I called, he said that their office in another state was tipped off that my name and addressed (which he provided for me) were used in an attempt to purchase a something very expensive (it's some kind of industrial equipment. I forgot what it's called) on eBay in March, and they don't believe it was legitimate. I confirmed that I made no such purchase. He also provided a phone number that I don't recognize and asked if it was me, and that they were sending text messages with the seller. I also confirmed that was not me. He said he saw on my social media page that I said have a server and that it was hacked. He asked if I still had any IP addresses or logs, but I told him no, there were no logs, and I wiped the server clean. I only started to notice that my server was compromised when one day I went to look at a log and saw that it, along with all of the other logs were gone, including SSH logins and IP addresses. I wiped it and reinstalled it because I felt like it was the only way I could be sure that my server was no longer compromised. The only suspicious thing I noticed about that was was I was frequently IP blocked and unblocked from Craigslist.org every few weeks (probably in March, when happened). I didn't know why, and I have never IP blocked from Craigslist been since I reset my server. He told me to look at consumer.gov and consumerfinance.gov and he told me to look at my credit report, my past transactions and anything on eBay that may look suspicious. There are no suspicious transactions and my credit is in good standing. He wants to come over to talk and look at my server and my past eBay transactions and stuff on Monday. I told him it's okay, but I'm not sure if I'll regret that or not. There's nothing I have to hide, but I am a little concerned about my server. Is this okay for him to look at this information? Also, one last thing I'm concerned about is that I have, in the past, pirated music. He wouldn't care about that, would he? What's the best course of action?

cw3406w

cw3a7jm

Call whatever office he claimed to be from using their published phone number and verify that he is an agent and that he is specifically investigating this case. FBI agent names aren't that hard to come by, and someone easily could be pretending to be him assumig that you wouldn't bother to check. No real officer or agent will mind you confirming this and more than likely will tell you what a good idea it was if they hear about it at all. Btw this is good advice for any call/email/letter you get asking for something where they claim to be your bank or anything really. Use published contact information to verify.

Random FBI agents aren't computer forensics experts. What does he even mean by "look at your server". If they thought your server was involved in a crime I'm pretty sure they would be coming to take it away not "look at it" so this doe not seem normal. Please keep in mind that even if he really is a FBI agent he has no obligation to tell the truth about why he is contacting you. Also lying to a FBI agent is a federal crime. If you are not absolutely sure about something do not say anything because they may decide to go after you for making false statements.

3l34lt

legaladvice_train

I am being sued for an accident that happened two years ago. I am now uninsured. Is my insurance from the time of the accident supposed to cover the accident since I was insured at the time? Two years ago during the winter (in Iowa where we get snow/ice) car car slid on black ice and hit another vehicle. I reported it to my insurance. My car got fixed, so did theirs. Neither of us had substantial injuries other than being sore. However I have now been notified that I am being sued for medical costs of the other driver. She claims that she injured her neck in the accident but thought it was just sore from whiplash. She said she was just using her work health insurance for it since she thought it would be pretty cheap but now that it's clear she has spent a lot of money out of pocket as well she wants me to compensate her. I immediately contacted the insurance I had at the time. They told me that since I no longer have insurance with them, I am not covered now. They said I should refer this to my current insurance, but I do not have any at all. SHOULD my insurance from the time of the accident be involved? Or is this typically how it works?

cv33vmk

cv32zx5

As has been stated, the insurance you had in effect at the time of the accident must provide coverage for any damages resulting from an accident in which you were at-fault. I don't know what state you are in, but if they deny coverage, I would get it in writing and go see an attorney who handles insurance bad faith lawsuits. Depending on your jurisdiction, you may have a decent bad faith case if they deny coverage based on what you have said here.

The policy in effect on the date of accident should cover the case assuming you reported it to them in a timely fashion. Contact them now, in writing making sure you include the date of the accident. Ask for a written response. If they deny the claim you need a lawyer. If they paid property damage to the other driver or repairs on your car, you should be okay.

3l34lt

legaladvice_train

I am being sued for an accident that happened two years ago. I am now uninsured. Is my insurance from the time of the accident supposed to cover the accident since I was insured at the time? Two years ago during the winter (in Iowa where we get snow/ice) car car slid on black ice and hit another vehicle. I reported it to my insurance. My car got fixed, so did theirs. Neither of us had substantial injuries other than being sore. However I have now been notified that I am being sued for medical costs of the other driver. She claims that she injured her neck in the accident but thought it was just sore from whiplash. She said she was just using her work health insurance for it since she thought it would be pretty cheap but now that it's clear she has spent a lot of money out of pocket as well she wants me to compensate her. I immediately contacted the insurance I had at the time. They told me that since I no longer have insurance with them, I am not covered now. They said I should refer this to my current insurance, but I do not have any at all. SHOULD my insurance from the time of the accident be involved? Or is this typically how it works?

cv33xep

cv39xfj

For auto insurance, yes, absolutely they should cover it. In certain categories of insurance there are "claims made" types of insurance, which cover the insured if the policy is in force when the claim is actually made without regard to when the event that gave rise to the liability occurred. In those cases, if you dropped coverage after the event but before the claim was made, you would not be covered. This is for special types of insurance though, like professional malpractice insurance. It shouldn't apply to a routine car insurance matter.

They are lying to you. If you had coverage at the time of the accident, it will cover you. Hang up and call again, and talk to someone else.

4aq8wc

legaladvice_train

[CA,USA]Received letter from The Judge Mathis Show informing me that I am being sued in small claims even though I've received no notice through the local court Earlier today I received an overnight delivery from FedEx with a letter inside from The Judge Mathis Show informing me that I am being sued in small claims and that they want me to call them to see about being on their show. The thing is I haven't gotten anything in the mail or been served with any type of papers saying that I've been sued. My brother is one of those people who try to sue everybody and anybody and I have heard that he has been planning on suing our family but I can't confirm that. &nbsp; Right now I'd like to know what are my options available to me and what could potentially happen should I follow those routes? The letter from The Judge Mathis Show say if I am selected to go on their show that I'll be paid an appearance fee, have travel expenses paid for, and if I lose the case they will pay it off for me. This sounds good but because of my profession I don't think going on a nationally televised court show would be very beneficial. &nbsp; If I don't get served does that mean I am not responsible for any of this? What if I never get anything letting me know I am being sued and don't know when the court date is, will I lose by default and be held liable to pay the amount I am being sued for? &nbsp; If/When I do receive notice of being sued will I be able to file a counter-suit? Or is that something I have to do separately? &nbsp; If there other defendants involved do we each get held accountable separately? Like if it's something I had no involvement in then the case against me would be dismissed right? &nbsp; I think that's about all the questions and concerns I have at the moment but if there are some things I should be aware of please let me know and feel free to mention it. I've never been sued and am not too familiar with the process of it.

d12oqzx

d12lj6v

As already pointed out, the show is not a real judge and not a real court. But that doesn't mean that your brother hasn't actually sued you in a real small claims court and you just haven't been served yet. You should be able to look at the paperwork the show sent to determine if it's been filed in your local small claims court. If so, you'll likely be served eventually. If a judge deems service sufficient (even if you aren't personally served) and you don't show up, yes you will lose by default and there will be a judgment against you. You don't want that. It could screw up your credit, it will be a hassle to argue you weren't served and get it overturned, lots of issues. Yes (in all jurisdictions i know of), once you get served, you have a certain number of days to file an answer, which can include a countersuit. Generally small claims courts have a limit as to how much you can recover, so if you sue for too much you wouldn't be able to counter-sue as part of the same case and the case would move to a regular (not small claims) court. If there are other defendants, you each could be held liable for the full amount or it could be apportioned to each as a percentage or if you have no involvement you could be dismissed or not be held accountable at all.

You can call the courthouse and have them look up the file. Does the paperwork have a case number? If not, just call and give them the names listed. Odds are that someone from the show is browsing newly filled cases. I would think you will be served within the next week. Unless they can't find you. Which isn't a good thing.

4aq8wc

legaladvice_train

[CA,USA]Received letter from The Judge Mathis Show informing me that I am being sued in small claims even though I've received no notice through the local court Earlier today I received an overnight delivery from FedEx with a letter inside from The Judge Mathis Show informing me that I am being sued in small claims and that they want me to call them to see about being on their show. The thing is I haven't gotten anything in the mail or been served with any type of papers saying that I've been sued. My brother is one of those people who try to sue everybody and anybody and I have heard that he has been planning on suing our family but I can't confirm that. &nbsp; Right now I'd like to know what are my options available to me and what could potentially happen should I follow those routes? The letter from The Judge Mathis Show say if I am selected to go on their show that I'll be paid an appearance fee, have travel expenses paid for, and if I lose the case they will pay it off for me. This sounds good but because of my profession I don't think going on a nationally televised court show would be very beneficial. &nbsp; If I don't get served does that mean I am not responsible for any of this? What if I never get anything letting me know I am being sued and don't know when the court date is, will I lose by default and be held liable to pay the amount I am being sued for? &nbsp; If/When I do receive notice of being sued will I be able to file a counter-suit? Or is that something I have to do separately? &nbsp; If there other defendants involved do we each get held accountable separately? Like if it's something I had no involvement in then the case against me would be dismissed right? &nbsp; I think that's about all the questions and concerns I have at the moment but if there are some things I should be aware of please let me know and feel free to mention it. I've never been sued and am not too familiar with the process of it.

d12oqzx

d12l9if

As already pointed out, the show is not a real judge and not a real court. But that doesn't mean that your brother hasn't actually sued you in a real small claims court and you just haven't been served yet. You should be able to look at the paperwork the show sent to determine if it's been filed in your local small claims court. If so, you'll likely be served eventually. If a judge deems service sufficient (even if you aren't personally served) and you don't show up, yes you will lose by default and there will be a judgment against you. You don't want that. It could screw up your credit, it will be a hassle to argue you weren't served and get it overturned, lots of issues. Yes (in all jurisdictions i know of), once you get served, you have a certain number of days to file an answer, which can include a countersuit. Generally small claims courts have a limit as to how much you can recover, so if you sue for too much you wouldn't be able to counter-sue as part of the same case and the case would move to a regular (not small claims) court. If there are other defendants, you each could be held liable for the full amount or it could be apportioned to each as a percentage or if you have no involvement you could be dismissed or not be held accountable at all.

> If I don't get served does that mean I am not responsible for any of this? Maybe. You can always argue improper service as a defense against a judgment. The chances of you succeeding there are difficult to estimate. As you've surmised, it's possible for you to lose the suit without ever being **personally** served - there are acceptable methods of alternative service. You should immediately start trying to find this suit - ignoring it **does not** help you at all. You need to mount a defense.