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4500 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | He probably doesn't care anymore. | 3comment
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4501 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Neither.
Its a lot more like Fahreinheit, especially the oversaturation of media. | 3comment
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4502 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | You don't know that there will negative consequences, the ramifications are unknown. I personally believe that there will some pain but that leaving will be worth it eventually. Any comment on what the result of leaving will be is just speculation, the in campaign doesn't make this clear enough. | 3comment
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4503 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | I won't dispute that Guy wants greater integration, but its disingenuous two mention that without pointing out that he is calling for a "two speed Europe"; i.e. the eurozone nations would pull together in order for the single currency to be effective as possible, whereas counties which want to stay out of the euro like the UK, Sweden and Poland would be "associate members" under his ideas, with an opt out of further integration, but full access to the single market. Which if you ask me sounds like the best way forwards for europe. | 3comment
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4504 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | QUEEN REFUSES TO BACK BREXIT IN SNUB TO MEMORY OF DIANA | 1deny
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4505 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | As if this conversation ever actually happened... | 3comment
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4506 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Well she was trying to leave Paris in a hurry.
Too soon? | 3comment
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4507 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | We know the Queen wants Scotland to stay in the UK, therefore she will be firmly in the remain camp. | 3comment
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4508 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | IIRC he's on record as being a republican. | 3comment
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4509 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | I think even if thise were true (and I am highly doubtful it is) then it's not exactly a revelation. I think pretty much everyone thinks the EU is heading in the wrong direction. The question is what do we do about it. The remain group want to stay and reform it, using the influence of being in the group to make changes. The leave group believe it is beyond reform and never will be what we want.
Also denying backing Brexit does not mean that she supports staying, that's a fallacy. | 3comment
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4510 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | It's a bit of a car crash to be honest | 3comment
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4511 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | [Little Britain Apologizing Politician](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvLI_S7vN_8) | 3comment
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4512 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | If the Queen really cared she would just use her veto | 3comment
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4513 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | The Queen backing anything as big as this is absolutely undemocratic. I don't believe for a moment she is so stupid. | 3comment
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4514 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | I am not so sure we can take anything that's said by these people on face value anymore. Two speeds maybe, but there's only one destination. Look at the bullying of Switzerland at the moment now they have it encircled. That's what would happen to an "associate member" sooner or later. I can't believe that's being done partially in my name. It's a disgrace.
These people have not stopped when the people have clearly told them to stop by shooting down treaties, I don't think we can consider them to be playing an honest democratic game at this point. | 3comment
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4515 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | The queen who has given more than anyone for this country, who lived through the 2nd World War, who has seen us through many conflicts, and the great depression. I'm sure a little kid on the internet calling her stupid really cuts deep.
She is entitled to have an opinion of her own, whether you like it or not. Now before you explode with phony outrage, answer me this. Why is the queen stating her opinion on the matter provided sh has little power 'undemocratic'? She isn't enforcing anything on to us by stating what she thinks. | 3comment
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4516 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Hm. Why not just deny it instead of saying no recollection? Politicians are weird. | 3comment
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4517 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Citation needed.
I bet this will be another case of: "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on"
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4518 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Not with the polls so close she wouldn't. | 3comment
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4519 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | >Who do I believe, The Sun or Nick Clegg?
That's a harder question now than it might have been 7 years ago... | 3comment
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4520 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Although she is a symbol of Britain the issue arises from how the British system of government is set up. The British system entirely relies on convention which is what stops the queen from exercising her power to stop legislation passed in parliament and the Lords from blocking money bills. However, these conventions are also not able to stand in a court or enforceable in anyway essentially acting as agreements. This means that the monarch backing a political narrative is an issue because it goes against the convention that the monarchy stays out of politics and strides close to the queen actually influencing legislation which can't happen in a democracy. | 3comment
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4521 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | It's undemocratic because she has far more power than my grandma or any other citizen eligible to vote. Because she has the ability to speak to the Prime Minister directly despite having no explicit approval from the 'demos' I think voicing her opinions in this way is wrong.
Why are you attacking me as a 'little kid on the internet'? Please attack my opinions...
I actually have a lot of respect for The Queen, when I said I didn't believe her to be this stupid I meant it. My belief is that The Sun is misrepresenting or misinterpreting her words. I hope you don't see this as a personal attack on her, when I really didn't mean it maliciously.
This is sort of unrelated but something you bought up: Do you extend the honour of 'seeing us through the great depression' to anyone who was alive during the time, I certainly don't see how our current Queen had any influence on it. Being as she was, roughly 4 years old when it started. | 3comment
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4522 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Some people actually like the direction the EU is going in. Also 'reform' can mean a lot. The more Eurosceptic remain supporters want to see a weaker more diluted EU while the more ardent supporters want to see a stronger EU. I personally would support an even more unified Europe but I'm also a filthy pseudo-foreigner (Irish). | 3comment
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4523 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | If the Queen did get involved in politics, it would seriously undermine democratic rule. The country would have to force the Queen to abdicate. | 3comment
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4524 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | There are very clear known negatives. The UK will be unable to conclude any trade deals for 2 years which will guarantee a prolonged period of economic uncertainty. This will cause a recession. | 3comment
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4525 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | It's funny how the leave supporters on here seem to be delighted when their elected government is possibly undermined by a decidedly undemocratic institution. The irony. | 3comment
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4526 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | > Clegg was an MEP, his group in the EP is led by Guy Verhofstadt who said the EU constitutional treaty was a "capstone of a United States of Europe"...
There are many things to criticise Clegg for but attacking him because someone who wasn't even an MEP until 2009 (Clegg stood down as an MEP in 2004), who now leads the political group that didn't exist until after Clegg left the European Parliament (and which formed out of a merger of the group Clegg was part of and another group), is an EU Federalist, is a bit of a stretch. | 3comment
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4527 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | > Who do I believe, The Sun or Nick Clegg?
Most likely somewhere in between. Reading between the lines I imagine a conversation did happen at some lunch where she said something negative about the EU to Nick Clegg.
After the lunch someone else at the table (possibly a senior Conservative figure?) probably told the story on to one of their colleagues, perhaps over-dramatising it a bit, as a little jab at Clegg (along the lines of "the Queen had a rant at him over the EU, it was a bit surprising").
That person (if I had to guess, probably someone close to Boris Johnson, if not him) is now supporting "Leave" and has therefore leaked what they remembered of it to someone at The Sun (directly or indirectly), who in turn have put their own spin on things.
So Clegg probably can't deny it completely as the conversation may have happened - but the Sun's spin (that she supports Brexit and that she 'let rip' at him and so on) may be "nonsense" and didn't happen.
But that's all speculation... | 3comment
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4528 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Nobody cares what The Sun says. | 3comment
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4529 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | No way. She'd be forced to abdicate in a matter of hours. | 3comment
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4530 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | What do you think about Pedant's comment?
"Soon as politicians say "I have no recollection of this happening" instead of "It never happened" you know it did "
https://twitter.com/Rifty01/status/707370900455333888 | 3comment
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4531 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | [**@Rifty01**](https://twitter.com/Rifty01/)
> [2016-03-09 01:02 UTC](https://twitter.com/Rifty01/status/707370900455333888)
> Soon as politicians say "I have no recollection of this happening" instead of "It never happened" you know it did @nick\_clegg @Holbornlolz
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4532 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | People are tweeting at sky as if they wrote the headline... Apparently people don't know how the news works. | 3comment
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4533 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Funnily enough, I'm writing about consequences that are certainties at the moment. While I believe there will be numerous near-certainties and likely occurrences, these are purely things that will happen. Copying and pasting ruins the formatting, so here's a short sample:
- The UK will leave all EU treaties after 2 years from a “No” vote unless. For this period the UK will be subject to all the laws, but have no vote on them. This will be avoided if:
- A qualified majority of remaining member states and a majority of the European Parliament agree and ratify on a settlement.
- All 27 remaining member states agree and ratify an extension of this.
- Trade deals alone take 5-10 years or more. Negotiating anything beyond this (such as EEA membership or similar) would take a similar amount of time. More complex deals would logically take longer.
- While these timescales cannot be “known”, a faster negotiation would be record-breaking.
- Britain hasn’t negotiated a trade deal for 40 years. We would need time to build up the resources and expertise for negotiation and dealing with trade defence cases.
- A shorter example is that of the EEA; it took from 1989 to 1994
- 12.6% of UK GDP is linked to exports to the EU, while only 3.1% of other EU member states GDP is linked to exports to the UK. Any proposition that that “they need us more than we need them” and as such the EU will be desperate to give the UK a special deal in rapid time for economic reasons doesn’t hold up.
- The simplest free trade deal would be EEA membership. This entails:
- Large membership fees
- Freedom of movement
- Following a vast majority of the laws
- All three of these are cited by anti-EU people as reasons to leave in the first place, so I personally doubt this would be seen as a better situation.
EDIT: I hate formatting. | 3comment
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4534 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | I could have sworn they attacked Prince William about a month ago for being seen to be getting involved in the debate? | 3comment
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4535 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | There would be a push for that, and it would be destabilizing, but there are people who would side with the Crown over Parliament were that to happen. Members of the armed forces who take their oaths seriously, for example. | 3comment
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4536 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Well, it is the most important meal of the day. She didn't get to that age by skipping it, y'know.
The whole story sounds like a poor attempt to galvanize people, and sounds pretty fictional to me. Sure is nice that we have press in this country that is allowed to print outright lies on the front cover of their newspapers in the name of a political agenda. Such a great way to run a society. | 3comment
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4537 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Seriously? I mean, I have no love for Clegg, but are you seriously trying to say he's as equally untrustworthy as *The Sun*? | 3comment
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4538 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Disgusting 👑 | 3comment
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4539 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Something about problems caused by a fifth column | 3comment
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4540 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | >but there are people who would side with the Crown over Parliament were that to happen. Members of the armed forces who take their oaths seriously, for example.
[Sure, but we all remember how it ended last time](https://www.nationalgalleries.org/media/42/collection/2012AA42119.jpg) | 3comment
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4541 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | [deleted] | 3comment
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4542 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Prince Charles seems not to realise this. | 3comment
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4543 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | I bet this is one of those headlines that will get a font size:2 apology in The Times next week. | 3comment
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4544 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | >“The reason we all sing God Save The Queen so heartily is because we always believe she is there to protect us from European encroachment.”
Someone needs to tell JRM our queen is German. Bit late to be worrying about foreign infiltration...Either way i can imagine the butthurt if the article was "random person claims queen supports EU as brexit is a load of chancers" | 3comment
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4545 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | We actually don't swear an oath for parliament at all, it's to the queen | 3comment
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4546 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | That's an "if" away from /r/panichistory material. | 3comment
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4547 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Well, the two people in the conversation were apparently the Queen and Nick Clegg. They both deny it. The other party in this claim is The Sun.
The Sun.
Which of course we can trust because it's not like they're heavily biased to campaign for an exit because they have a tyrannical media puppet master owner who wants out nor have they ever printed blatant lies to sell newspapers and further their agenda.
/s | 3comment
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4548 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Hijacking the top comment to add Andrew Marr's contribution to this -
"This might be true"
https://twitter.com/andrewmarr9/status/707448781479002112 | 3comment
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4549 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | [**@AndrewMarr9**](https://twitter.com/AndrewMarr9/)
> [2016-03-09 06:11 UTC](https://twitter.com/AndrewMarr9/status/707448781479002112)
> This might be true. https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/707337119077933057
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4550 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Isn't the navy the exception to this?
Edit: Navy and the Marines are the only exceptions in our military https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_Kingdom)#Armed_forces
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'd much rather our military swore to protect our country above our aristocracy. | 3comment
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4551 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Its a shame that the people concerned about this were silent when the previous referndum proved that it was perfectly easy to politicise of the civil service, the Bank of England, private businesses depending on government contracts and , yes, the Queen.
Indeed many of the same voices seemed to support such action and defend it.
It will get dirtier and sneaker if the polls come close.
Remember Cameron 'inviting' business leaders to Downing Street, who then went back to their company and wrote to all employees in Scotland | 3comment
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4552 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Why do you think the Sun printed it? They know shes not going to deny it even if she wanted to. She takes being non-political very seriously.
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4553 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | That's because if they were elected he could control them. | 3comment
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4554 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | I too have heard from anonymous sources that overheard Prince William, our future monarch and the most popular royal, was unabashedly pro-European and hoped the time would come with it would become a federal entity but with a constitutional monarchy that would switch households every decade with his European counterparts. Completely anonymous but totally trusted sources. | 3comment
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4555 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | The army I think, since its the Royal Navy, the Royal Air Force, but just the Army. Not 100% tho | 3comment
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4556 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Makes sense the sun would run with this, after murdochs statement that a UK out of Europe would be easier to control there is reason for him to spread his poison swill. | 3comment
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4557 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | They have quite a large readership and political influence ('it was the Sun wot won it'). | 3comment
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4558 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/14/secret-papers-royals-veto-bills if the polls were more decisive she might have a chance | 3comment
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4559 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | You might like /r/britishrepublicans
(Although, no common stance on the EU ref there) | 3comment
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4560 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Because if he is forgetful then it might have happened. | 3comment
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4561 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | > I personally would support an even more unified Europe but I'm also a filthy pseudo-foreigner (Irish).
That's great. You'll probably get your wish sooner rather than later if we leave. | 3comment
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4562 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | > who has given more than anyone for this country
In what way? | 3comment
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4563 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Even as the 4 year old Princess Elizabeth, she was *very* careful not to express her opinion publicly as to whether or not the gold standard should be abandoned.
Fact. | 3comment
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4564 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | So I understand the appeal of a unified europe, even to the extent of a federal entity with current nations as states. But what do you feel about the direction that this is going with regard to things like the lack of accountability in elections?
For example the US are having a big debate at the moment to decide their new leader. There are a ton of smaller state elections to work out the party nominees and then there will be a national election to work out who the new president is. But in the EU we don't have that. We're just told Junker is the president as voted for by the leaders of each nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Commission#Appointment
Well why should I trust Cameron to pick the right person? Also why do leaders of nations with a population of a few million get the same say as leaders of nations with a population of over 50 million?
Surely something as important as who our president is should be something that the entirety of the EU population should get a say in? And this is something that should have bene built in right at the start, not something that we are aspirationally moving towards.
What are your thoughts on this? | 3comment
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4565 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Buckingham Palace haven't issued a denial though, have they? | 3comment
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4566 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Doesn't being part of the EEA also give us no say in the law-making process as well? :S | 3comment
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4567 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Urm, not really mate. | 3comment
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4568 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | If we have people in the army not loyal to our democracy we need to purge them. | 3comment
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4569 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Did you vote for Cameron to become Prime Minister? No, you voted for an MP and he was selected by MPs.
This is how the appointment of the EU president is supposed to work too. It should be someone appointed by and who commands a majority of the EU parliament, this is how many countries select their leader and I have no problem with that. Junker is the first time those requirements were enforced. Cameron trying to block Junker was actually an attempt to deny the people of Europe a say in who was president.
Also don't forget, everything the EU tries to pass MUST be approved by EU parliament which has proportional representation and Britain due to its population has a gigantic number of MEPs representing it. | 3comment
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4570 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | That could be kind of cool. Take turns on the imperial throne. | 3comment
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4571 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | I used to think that, but after all of the revelations about Charles sticking his oar in everyone defended him | 3comment
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4572 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Not the person you're responding to, but I would certainly say that. Clegg is more dishonest, untrustworthy and disingenuous than any other politician I can think of. The man is an utter snake. The fact that so many people fall for his "honest everyday bloke" act just baffles me. | 3comment
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4573 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Jet fuel can't melt steel columns tho. | 3comment
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4574 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | This implies she's actively trying to interfere, which she isnt.
Personally i'm glad the Queen of England considers herself British rather than 'European' | 3comment
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4575 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Mad speculation already: "well of course the Brexiters are all royalists so it doesn't matter" i'm fucking not! | 3comment
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4576 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | True, I don't think she is trying to interfere but some people in this thread do and yet support it. | 3comment
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4577 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Yep. I'm a monarchist of convenience and a leaver, but if the queen starts making public political statements, I'd be in favour of her being removed from her position | 3comment
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4578 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Reminded me of this: https://youtu.be/TtF5L9bKfO8 | 3comment
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4579 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | From what I gather, she made the comment at a private dinner, that's not an attack on democracy ffs | 3comment
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4580 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Some people see feasts and banqueting as hard work worth a salary of millions. | 3comment
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4581 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Then you have an embarrassingly warped view of politics in this country. Like, I'm not even willing to humour what you just said. I'm just going to call you a moron and move on with my life. Moron. | 3comment
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4582 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Charles comes back 10 years later and returns the monarchy to power? | 3comment
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4583 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Corbyn wins again. | 3comment
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4584 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | There is *some* say. The EU does consult the EEA states when drafting legislation, but they don't actually get a vote on it since they don't have any MEPs | 3comment
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4585 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | When there is no source, and the intent is merely to spread gossip and rumour, they might as well have. Plus Sky, The Sun: there's a pretty enormous connection, you know! | 3comment
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4586 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | >Project Fear not going to plan.
Yes, it seems to have been struck a blow by Project Lies..? | 3comment
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4587 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Ah, cheers for the clarification!
I was worried I was confusing it with the ECC :S | 3comment
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4588 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | The Queen is famous about keeping quiet about her political views. Unfortunately, this was likely going to happen at some point because she made a rare point of telling people she wished Scotland would stay in the Union. Given the intelligence she shows in her speeches, somehow I doubt she'd be privy to hypocrisy the likes of which the Sun is accusing her of, but then again the Sun is a Murdoch machine and I wouldn't be surprised if they claimed that Jesus and Winston Churchill were Brexiters as well. | 3comment
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4589 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | > What would be brilliant is if we had some influential leftists back the Brexit.
We ain't that dumb. You have your slap fight and leave us out of it.
You can have Kate hoey. In fact, take her as far away as possible. | 3comment
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4590 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Nice, thanks for your respectful counter-argument. | 3comment
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4591 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | > his "honest everyday bloke" act
¿Confused him for Farage, perhaps? | 3comment
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4592 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | They have now - first para http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/09/eurosceptic-rant-by-the-queen-never-happened-says-nick-clegg
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4593 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Getting angry if someone doesn't see it your way.. Priceless. I'd agree with your point but what the hell? | 3comment
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4594 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | ONE OF US. ONE OF US. | 3comment
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4595 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | I get annoyed with people who try to tell me that the Earth is flat, too.
Just because it's their opinion, doesn't mean it isn't incredibly stupid or that it is inherently worth hearing. | 3comment
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4596 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | Even though Buckingham palace denied it and the only source is from "unknown source" of a witness who apparently saw her say it in 2011.
You've got to be a moron to buy the Sun. | 3comment
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4597 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | How is the Queen German? Because she has German ancestors?
By that definition almost everybody in the UK is therefore German or French. | 3comment
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4598 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | giving a binary answer in politics is just asking for trouble.
In a few years it might actually be favourable for him for that conversation to have taken place, and for him to have been involved in it. Then he can "remember" it, and say - if pressed - that he never *denied* that it happened, just couldn't remember exactly, after all, they were talking about a lot of important issues at the time... | 3comment
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4599 | 'Queen backs Brexit' - The Sun front page tomorrow | And then Cromwell did genocide. | 3comment
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