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[Date] 21 weeks 5 days ago [Body] My worst is Michigan Stadium unfortunately. I like to be in my seats for kick-off and a little before if I can swing it. My then girlfriend, now wife, got a student ticket so we had to go get it validated. No big deal, I like walking around campus on game day, but it did put us a bit behind schedule. She had her purse with her to pay for the extra fee for non-students. Well, not thinking clearly we head straight to the gate and sure enough being late meant a huge line. It wasn't until we got to the very front some 20 minutes later that we realized they weren't going to let her in with the purse. Fuck. Ok, walk over to Crisler to check it. Another huge line. Finally get inside the concourse about the end of the 1st quarter, get to our section and, ugh, line literally to the fence. Another 15 minutes, and it's midway through 2nd quarter before we finally get to our seats. Midway through halftime, I go take a piss and yup, you guessed it, huge fucking line. They were doing work on one of the bathrooms or something so everyone on that half of the stadium had to use one bathroom. Finally get back mid-way through the 3rd and by that point we're getting blown out (can't remember the game, pretty sure it was 2009 though, so Penn State?). Just miserable. Oh and we go to get my girlfriend/wife's purse after the game and another huge line. I literally spent more time in line that day than actually in my seat watching football. Close second would be 2008 Northwestern for obvious reasons. [Title]
My worst is Michigan Stadium
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[Date] 21 weeks 6 days ago [Body] Harbuagh's 3 step drop looks like he never quit playing. [Title]
Harbuagh's 3 step drop looks
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[Date] 22 weeks 1 day ago [Body] I missed the Funchess thread, but I'm not surprised at all. Ever since the Fall Scrimmage, I've been saying how slow all our receivers looked. They made the secondary look amazing all Spring and Fall, and then ND torched us with guys that actually could run. We never could get an inch of separation even on mediocre defensive backs. [Title]
I missed the Funchess thread,
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[Date] 23 weeks 20 hours ago [Body] I don't know if I'd go as far as to say I won't cheer for him, but there's definitely a feeling he didn't exactly put the team first in his time here. From his lackluster blocking, to seemingly lack of focus this last year (e.g. drops, short arming catches, more bad blocking), to his early exit, his career isn't exactly one I would hold up as an example of a model Michigan student athlete. [Title]
I don't know if I'd go as far
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[Date] 23 weeks 3 days ago [Body] This man is a fucking genius. Getting paid to not do something more than most people make in their entire lives. [Title]
This man is a fucking genius.
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[Date] 23 weeks 4 days ago [Body] Replies are threaded just like here, each reply is the next indent. Comments and replies within the same level are sorted by upvote algorithm, so the best comments come to the top for each level, then top reply to that comment, etc. [Title]
Replies are threaded just
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[Date] 23 weeks 5 days ago [Body] I'm with Brian, I'll (grudgingly) give them the benefit of the doubt that they actually expect legitimate attrition. [Title]
I'm with Brian, I'll
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[Date] 23 weeks 5 days ago [Body] By the letter of the law, yes, but what matters is how you get down to the limit. If you have guys you've talked with in private and that don't figure to return, that's one thing. If you have guys that are getting pushed out or medicaled on trumped up injuries, that's another. I think the reason Brian said what ohio is doing isn't a big deal is because the guys that got medicals actually did have legitimate injuries. [Title]
By the letter of the law,
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[Date] 23 weeks 5 days ago [Body] Yes, but relative to some of the prediction threads (so many threads) right when HARBAUGH got hired, that was spot on. Recruiting is about relationships, and yes you do commit to a coaching staff just as much as if not more than a school. Harbaugh's star power got a lot of visits and interest, but in the end it's hard to trump relationships players committed elsewhere have built over years in just a little over a month. I suspect that'll be the case with on field performance as well. There's a lot of inertia in a college program and those thinking Harbaugh will snap his fingers and make it all ok are likely in for a rude awakening come Sept. [Title]
Yes, but relative to some of
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[Date] 23 weeks 6 days ago [Body] Why does the Norfleet one bother people so much? He was a signing day pick-up with zero expectations. We'll get 4 years of production at KR from him (he's the record holder for total return yards, BTW), which exceeds what you expect out of a recruit of his level. I know everyone sees him juking guys in tight spaces and thinks he could have been more, but he really didn't get much out of his offensive snaps despite having a shot under two different offensive schemes. Not sure how a RS would really help there. I dunno, if Harbaugh somehow turns him into an unstoppable offensive weapon this year, I guess I'll retract my statement, but I don't see that happening. [Title]
Why does the Norfleet one
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[Date] 23 weeks 6 days ago [Body] Pipkins played a ton as a freshman and sophomore at a position of need before getting hurt. Guys get hurt and can't find the field again all the time, doesn't mean they should take a redshirt year to recover. That's pretty rare. [Title]
Pipkins played a ton as a
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[Date] 24 weeks 21 hours ago [Body] I would still exterminate you. Can't be too careful. [Title]
I would still exterminate
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[Date] 24 weeks 4 days ago [Body] Journalism and sports writing don't have a whole lot in common. [Title]
Journalism and sports writing
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[Date] 24 weeks 5 days ago [Body] Considering his genes, whatever 40 time he claims gets zero FAKES from me. [Title]
Considering his genes,
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[Date] 25 weeks 1 day ago [Body] had they not used most of the playclock before snapping the ball on 2nd down. I think that's the key point. Belichick not calling his TO might have screwed with Seahawks enough that they A) let the clock run more than they wanted, and B) made a boneheaded playcall in a time-crunched situation. Like I said, not sure if it was pre-meditated by Belichick, but it certainly is possible that it did mess up how the Seahawks handled those next few plays. [Title]
had they not used most of the
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[Date] 25 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Saw an interesting post on Reddit about Belichick "baiting" the throw that got INT'ed. If he had called time out right away, the Seahawks would have run, run, run all the downs to kill clock. By letting the clock run and probably surprising the Seahawks, they had to have at least one throwing play, probably two since they themselves only had on time out. They saw the goal line stand package and decided to run on 2nd down and the rest is history. Not sure I totally buy it that Belichick had all that planned, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. [Title]
Saw an interesting post on
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[Date] 25 weeks 6 days ago [Body] I agree, way too many people are writing him off already. He looked bad so far, but not really that bad relative to his experience level and given the fact he's changed coaches every year. Yes, he'll be going through another transition, but more total experience should hopefully help him weather it a bit better this time around. [Title]
I agree, way too many people
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[Date] 26 weeks 1 hour ago [Body] So who were you before you got banned? [Title]
So who were you before you
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[Date] 26 weeks 3 hours ago [Body] Recruiting is also only getting more front loaded too. Even in 2012, it was pretty common to be uncommitted until later. Now it seems like most quality recruits are all committed before they can even take officials. [Title]
Recruiting is also only
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[Date] 26 weeks 3 hours ago [Body] IIRC he had pretty much his entire staff ready to go while Fickle was still coaching for the bowl game, essentially giving Ohio two staffs, one to handle the team, another to focus entirely on recruiting. [Title]
IIRC he had pretty much his
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[Date] 26 weeks 15 hours ago [Body] We've been on the other side on numerous occasions. Kid starts looking around, coaches get wind and tell them if they visit around, they're no longer committed, kid thinks better of it and cancels visits. [Title]
We've been on the other side
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[Date] 26 weeks 5 days ago [Body] +1 from me. Just cut the cord myself recently. I was going to wait until end of football season (which I had assumed was early Jan for Michigan, lol), but after... well *that* happened, I cut the cord in Oct. This sling box thing from Dish looks mighty interesting, but I still need a way to fill in for BTN. [Title]
+1 from me. Just cut the cord
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[Date] 27 weeks 4 days ago [Body] Sr seems to be taking an admirably hands of approach and letting his son decide for himself. I remember he came with on one of the visits (Spring Game?) and basically dropped Jr off and went and did his own thing with alumni and former teammates. [Title]
Sr seems to be taking an
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[Date] 27 weeks 5 days ago [Body] 13b free solo is ridiculous, that's what makes Honnold famous. 13b in general isn't that hard at all, relatively speaking, for elite climbers. You can find someone in most any gym or crag in the country that can climb that. You wouldn't even get a sniff at sponsorship at that level (male anyway). Honnold is obviously a every good climber to be confident in tackling 13s free solo, but even if you consider his max red point grade 14b/c, he still wouldn't be in the elite class. What sets him apart isn't his maximum grade, its how far he's willing to push free soloing. [Title]
13b free solo is ridiculous,
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[Date] 27 weeks 5 days ago [Body] What Alex does is relatively easy, but dangerous. What these guys are doing is relatively safe, but ridiculously hard on a technical level. Skill vs balls, although yes certainly an element of both for each case. [Title]
What Alex does is relatively
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[Date] 27 weeks 5 days ago [Body] The nomenclature is weird. Climbing first started with pulling oneself up on gear at least part of the way. Today that's regarded as "aid climbing" but back in the day it was just normal climbing. To distinguish ascents that were done with out weighting or pulling on gear, the term "free climb" was coined. Climbing without a rope is known as "free soloing." [Title]
The nomenclature is weird.
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[Date] 27 weeks 5 days ago [Body] Hard to say. The thing is, you have to be absolutely obsessed with the project. Caldwell has worked on this close to a decade amd Jorgeson for 3. There are certainly other climbers strong enough to do it, but they're usually focused on their own projects and I don't see them basically putting everything else on hold for long enough to learn all the details about the climb that you need to be successful. [Title]
Hard to say. The thing is,
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[Date] 27 weeks 5 days ago [Body] The only thing that makes their attempt not ground up is that they were resupplied. Being pitches apart isn't a big deal and only happened because Caldwell really wanted Jorgeson to send the crux pitches too. In a normal attempt, Jorgeson would have just jugged up fixed ropes and continued with the rest of thr climb. And he actually did do that anyway to belay and help Caldwell. [Title]
The only thing that makes
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[Date] 27 weeks 5 days ago [Body] That's not typically the standard for freeing a route. You can fall as long as you lower down and repeat that pitch, not the entire climb. [Title]
That's not typically the
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[Date] 27 weeks 5 days ago [Body] I downvoted. Sorry. As a climber, I hear this all. the. time. It gets old pretty quick. [Title]
I downvoted. Sorry. As a
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[Date] 27 weeks 5 days ago [Body] If anything, Honnold and the French guy have more in common than either to Caldwell/Jorgrson, at least in terms of what he's known for (Honnold's a pretty good roped in climber too). Free soloing, climbing without a rope, is done on much much lower technical difficulty, but obviously much more dire consequences. Same goes for building climbing, much easier technically. What these guys are doing is at the very cutting edge of difficulty. There are only a small group of people that can climb 5.14d period, let alone two of them, back to back, in between a dozen other pitches of 5.13 and 5.14. [Title]
If anything, Honnold and the
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[Date] 28 weeks 42 min ago [Body] There's a big difference between running routes in a vanilla offense and against a vanilla defense, which we all know he can do, and understanding a system, including all the on the fly adjustments. There were at least a couple of instances where Gardner threw an INT because they weren't on the same page, most likely due to Canteen not making a correct read and adjusting his route accordingly. He also was clearly not ready physically to be an effective blocker, although I will credit him for making an effort unlike some (cough cough, Funchess). [Title]
There's a big difference
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[Date] 28 weeks 1 day ago [Body] He's 65 y/o. He gets to continue coaching and working with kids, which is his passion, without as much pressure and responsibility. Plus Michigan's contractually obligated to keep paying him his DC salary, so that definitely helps. Seems like a natural fit. [Title]
He's 65 y/o. He gets to
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[Date] 28 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Bwahahahahahaha.... *breathes* hahahahaha [Title]
Bwahahahahahaha....
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[Date] 28 weeks 5 days ago [Body] I feel like I've been Rickrolled [Title]
I feel like I've been
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[Date] 29 weeks 20 hours ago [Body] As a recent cord cutter, the Dish deal to provide ESPN and ESPN2 for $20 a month is awesome news. [Title]
As a recent cord cutter, the
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[Date] 29 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Blatantly holding by the right guard, does it get called? No, holding call on Detroit instead. [Title]
Blatantly holding by the
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[Date] 29 weeks 1 day ago [Body] What the actual fuck? [Title]
What the actual fuck?
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[Date] 29 weeks 1 day ago [Body] What about in the community? [Title]
What about the community?
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[Date] 30 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Yes, a month different, or another way to look at it is twice as long. A lot of those guys were guys ohio were already in on. Harbaugh will (hopefully) do the same and resign some decommitted guys plus maybe a couple others on the board, but top twenty class (especially with our class size) with a 5 star? I just don't see it. I guess we'll find out soon enough. [Title]
Yes, a month different, or
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[Date] 30 weeks 1 day ago [Body] You do remember urban was basically full time recruiting since November while Fickle kept the seat warm for him right? [Title]
You do remember urban was
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[Date] 30 weeks 1 day ago [Body] The assistants are going to be largely new and just getting the lay of the land too. Many will also be from the NFL from the sounds of it. Yeah, some might be able to take a recruit or two with them, but you have less pull as you move down the food chain. Look, I'm not saying harbaugh isn't going to be a huge boon to recruiting, he will be. But transitional classes are tough sledding, even for top 5/top 10 coaches. [Title]
The assistants are going to
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[Date] 30 weeks 1 day ago [Body] I don't think *you* understand how recruiting works. Kids don't just sign up for the hottest name. They have to build a relationship and feel comfortable with the person that will basically be running their lives for the next 4-5 years. And is not just the HC either, the relationship with the entire staff is just as important, as is familiarity with players and fellow commits. [Title]
I don't think *you*
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[Date] 30 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Good gravy, let the unrealistic expectations begin. He's an NFL coach who hasn't done any recruiting in years. It's not like he was recruiting at another school and had relationships built that he can use to flip kids to Michigan. He's got less than two months to start from basically scratch to mostly flip guys already committed else where. If he can bring back a couple guys that decommitted without losing anyone else, and fill the rest of the spots with decent 3 star talent, I'd be pretty happy. [Title]
Good gravy, let the
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[Date] 31 weeks 6 days ago [Body] I'm in. If he doesn't come, $25 to ASPCA? [Title]
I'm in. If he doesn't come,
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[Date] 32 weeks 5 days ago [Body] Voted on 3 devices and posted it to social media. The guy absolutely deserves it. [Title]
Voted on 3 devices and posted
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[Date] 32 weeks 6 days ago [Body] I asked for a T-Shirt from the Hope for Pahokee guys as far as M related stuff. My biggest thing for Christmas I'm going to have to get for myself. I'm building a nice target rifle and my entire family pretty much detests guns so I can't really ask them for anything related to that (and it would be too expensive anyway) [Title]
I asked for a T-Shirt from
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[Date] 32 weeks 6 days ago [Body] Good catch, thanks. [Title]
Good catch, thanks.
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[Date] 32 weeks 6 days ago [Body] Unless he does really well in the combine (which he probably will) I think this is a mistake for him. He's got size, decent speed and athleticism, but the few times I've watched him live, he never seemed to get the type of separation through his route running that you would think an NFL prospect would. Even on TV, a lot of his targets were with a DB or even sometimes a LB in his hip pocket. I think he'll get drafted, and probably not all that low, but he could have done better with another year to work on his game IMO. Can't really blame the guy on the other hand with the coaching transition looming I guess, but just the same, you'd think he'd at least wait to see who the next guy is before committing one way or the other. [Title]
Unless he does really well in
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[Date] 33 weeks 23 hours ago [Body] Benny's has been a favorite of mine since I was a Sophomore. Instead of waiting hours at the other campus places, we'd load up into whoever had a car and drive there. Good food, prices are good, not as busy and it's a popular spot for athletes so you can heckle them about their loss the day before (don't actually do this). [Title]
Benny's has been a favorite
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[Date] 33 weeks 4 days ago [Body] Honestly, I never saw the OMG MATCH-UP NIGHTMARE thing everyone keeps talking about with Funchess. Yeah, he's big and has straightline speed (sort of), but he doesn't get himself open. Of course before the season, everyone, including me, thought that was because our corners were awesome. Turns out, it was mostly that our receivers were the plodding possession variety. Funchess included. His drops issues and injuries just totally torpedoed any remaining chance he had of making an impact this year. [Title]
Honestly, I never saw the OMG
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[Date] 33 weeks 4 days ago [Body] My reading of the grayshirt QB thing is that he's not going anywhere, or at least not actively thinking about it. A) why tarnish your image just before you start job hunting and B) more importantly, why give a shit about the MSU roster to stick your neck out and make a move like that if you're not going to be around next year. [Title]
My reading of the grayshirt
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[Date] 33 weeks 6 days ago [Body] I'll say this, there hasn't been a shortage of entertaining games, even some of the ones we came out on the wrong end of, or shouldn't have been close. A lot of nail biters, come backs, unlikely turn of events, etc for 4 seasons. [Title]
I'll say this, there hasn't
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[Date] 33 weeks 6 days ago [Body] OL in 2013 and QB in 2014 happened. In a lot of ways, getting rid of Al was a terrible move short term. Gardner was already physically messed up, another QB coach and system pretty much just did him in. I dunno, it probably had to be done after 2013, but it was a huge gamble that ended up not paying off and then some. [Title]
OL in 2013 and QB in 2014
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[Date] 33 weeks 6 days ago [Body] In a lot of ways, Hoke staying as a DL coach would make a lot of sense. He's clearly good at it, he's a hell of a recruiter. and he could stay and look over the guys he's recruited and grown close to. Of course no new HC is going to sign up for that, having his predecessor on the program under him and potentially undermining him (not that Brady would do that, but I'm sure a lot of players would still see him as the coach). I doubt Brady would be interested either. [Title]
In a lot of ways, Hoke
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[Date] 34 weeks 22 hours ago [Body] Technically correct is the best kind of correct [Title]
Technically correct is the
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[Date] 34 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Isn't the Clark thing the exact reason for waiting until the end? I mean, I think it's kinda dumb too, but naming a captain that later ends up booted from the team later is precisely the type of thing you avoid by waiting. [Title]
Isn't the Clark thing the
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[Date] 34 weeks 1 day ago [Title]
Paying my bet with BloomingtonBlue
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[Date] 41 weeks 4 days ago [Body] How I feel about our offense finally being serviceable just in time for the defense to implode. [Title]
How I feel about our offense
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] This may be the most impressive suicide by mod I've ever seen. [Title]
This may be the most
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Ugh, they need to come completely clean on this whole thing and provide a detailed account from those involved, and I don't just mean Brady's personal take in the post-game presser. The lack of information has just fueled this and will continue to because the visual evidence alone is really damning. The truth might be bad as well, but at least it won't be speculation, which is always worse. Get everyone involved's take, Morris, Hoke, Nuss, Schmidt and get it out there quickly. [Title]
Ugh, they need to come
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] I don't see how I can be wrong when I clearly concede that one possiblity is that Schmidt screwed up. Or when I clearly concede in my OP that the matter wasn't handled well. The point I'm making is everyone is pretending like they know with certainty exactly what happened. You don't. Let's hold off on destroying a man's reputation until more information comes out from the parties involved, which at this point is next to nothing. [Title]
I don't see how I can be
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] I think a coordinator is too risky right now. There's a big difference in skillsets required to go from a coordinator to a HC. Some guys make the leap, some fail miserably, and it's really hard to tell the difference beforehand. Michigan needs a known entity, we can't afford to be someone's audition or first foray into head coaching. [Title]
I think a coordinator is too
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] This. By now, if not Hoke himself, then someone will have realized how woefully inadequate the post game response was. They have one chance to regain the narrative and I hope they come clean on the entire sequence of events, including Morris's point of view, Nuss's point of view, Paul Schmidt's (Athletic Trainer) point of view, etc. This may or may not be as big of a deal as people are making it to be, but the lack of a real answer from the guys involved have let the public fill in the blanks with the worst case scenario. [Title]
This. By now, if not Hoke
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Gardner was, at several points in 2013, just as visibly hobbled as Morris (pre head hit). So is Funchess right now. Neither of those guys are in any better position to "protect themselves." Hell, we had a pretty good torch and pitchfork session about Funchess's blocking effort last week, with no slack given for literally hoping around on one leg on the sidelines. Right or wrong, playing hurt is pretty ubiquitous, and not just on this team. [Title]
Gardner was, at several
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] The problem is the rules are fairly ambiguous: Here's the relevant section on diagnosis (bold emphasis mine) "Recognition and diagnosis of concussion: All student-athletes who are experiencing signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a sport-related concussion, at rest or with exertion, must be removed from practice or competition and referred to an athletic trainer or team physician with experience in concussion management. A student-athlete’s health care provider experienced in the diagnosis and management of concussion should conduct and document serial clinical evaluation inclusive of symptom inventory and evaluation of cognition and balance. A student-athlete diagnosed with sport-related concussion should not be allowed to return to play in the current game or practice and should be withheld from athletic activity for the remainder of the day. Disposition decisions for more serious injuries such as cervical spine trauma, skull fracture or intracranial bleed, should be made at the time of presentation." So, Paul Schmidt talking to Morris and not seeing concussion like symptoms seems to have the discretion to not conduct the evaluation. Again, concussion seems like a forgone conclusion given the video we saw, but Schmidt is right there next to the guy talking to him and in a much better position to make the call, as well has being more qualified. I will concede it's possible that Schmidt simply screwed up as well. We don't know at this point.. [Title]
The problem is the rules are
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Of course it's not. The guy said Morris should have been taken out before the head hit, which is different from how we treated Gardner last year. [Title]
Of course it's not. The guy
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] So it's ok to play a player hurt as long as he's helping you win? Isn't that exactly the mindset people are railing against? [Title]
So it's ok to play a player
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] I guess I'm doing a poor job framing this. I absolutely think leaving him in there for one more play was a mistake. Full stop. And for the record, he needs to be fired, but not for this. I just hate to see people twist this into a Hoke doesn't care for his players thing when it's pretty clear that this is just another in a long string of incidents where he's been caught deer in headlights style during games. Some of the comments here are frankly nothing short of character assasination. [Title]
I guess I'm doing a poor job
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Credit Nathan too. He hasn't exactly been lights out, but going 1-2-3 to close a game like he should was big. Hopefully he'll keep it going. [Title]
Credit Nathan too. He hasn't
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] At that point the training staff, particularly the head trainer, had been with Morris and presumably cleared him to play. [Title]
At that point the training
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Agreed, but what if in his initial interaction he determined a full evaluation wasn't necessary? [Title]
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] No, it's not. It's evidence of incompetence. Disregard implies not caring about the players. You can't see Hoke kneeling over an injured Dennis Norfleet last game, stroking his helmet and trying to comfort him and come to that conclusion. On the other hand there are multiple examples of the game moving too fast for Hoke. Hanlon's Razor says "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity," which I think applies here. [Title]
No, it's not. It's evidence
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] I find it pretty disingenious that the Gardner thing is now a knock on Hoke when we pretty much unanimously regarded it as a gutsy performance. Like I said in the front page thread, I can't help but feel that some are summoning up some extra indignation to justify letting Hoke go immediately (as if he hasn't done enough himself to justify it). [Title]
I find it pretty disingenious
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] How do you know he wasn't cleared? Serious question. Paul Schmidt was on camera attending to Morris the whole time leading up to going back in and never took his helmet. [Title]
How do you know he wasn't
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] I'm not a doctor and I can definitely see that based on the video evidence that it's likely. Like I said, the right thing is to take the kid out immediately to be safe. But on the other hand doing it one play later after the kid didn't want to come out initially is not the cataclysmic event everyone is making it out to be. [Title]
I'm not a doctor and I can
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Paul Schmidt was right there immediately when he came off. I don't know what the initial evaluation is and if it was handled properly, but clearly Schmidt was on the situation. If he failed to do what the protocols say he should then that's one thing, but it could just as easily be that his initial interaction with Shane didn't suggest a concussion. [Title]
Paul Schmidt was right there
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] That's exactly what I think happened. Things moved too quickly for Hoke and Co, and the inertia of the game got Shane through one more play before everyone came to their senses. Again, incompetence, not ill intent. [Title]
That's exactly what I think
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Dude, did you see Gardner last year? Or Funchess the last 3 games for that matter? Concussions are one thing, playing hurt is another thing entirely and happens all the time. I don't get the double standard. Why is Gardner playing on a broken toe "gutsy" but Shane needs to come out at the first sign of a limp? [Title]
Dude, did you see Gardner
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[Date] 43 weeks 1 day ago [Body] Look, I know it looks bad, and I get people are rightly sensitive when it comes to head injuries... but we don't have any confirmation that Morris is concussed. All armchair doctoring based on the video is just that. Again, it doen't look good, but there are still other possibilities to explain the way Morris looked, not the least possible of which is that he was just in so much pain from the aggregate hits to the leg. Paul Schmidt, 21 year veteran athletic trainer, attended to Morris immediately when he came out and unless Paul too is irresponsible and incompetent, didn't hold Morris out for the helmet fiasco a few plays later. Yes, you take the kid out either way until you're sure, but on the other hand he vehemently waved off the sidelines and got exactly one more play before the coaches overruled him. Bad judgement? Yes. Incompetent? Sure. Criminal? Evil? Abhorrent? I dunno... I can't help but feel that people are at least in part using this incident to get what they want, which is an immediate exit for Hoke. [Title]
Look, I know it looks bad,
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] This guy is a genius. He gets paid more to not coach teams anymore than most coaches get for working. [Title]
This guy is a genius. He gets
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] If Hoke is interimed, the guy holding the position in the meantime will probably be Mattison. Nuss is new and doesn't have long relationships with the players and the problems are on his side of the ball. The options pretty much end there. [Title]
If Hoke is interimed, the guy
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Hoke will likely last the season but the search for his replacement has begun, if it didn't after ND. Maybe Brandon hasn't started looking, but someone at Michigan has already started the process. Schissel's ambivalent view of athletics worries me though. Hopefully someone is in his ear about the role football plays in the overall financial health of the school (for better or for worse). I have a sinking feeling that between contracts still to be paid, a presumed new AD potentially conservative in not wanting to risk too much financially, and the said ambivalence of the President that Michigan's war chest to buy a top hire won't be as impressive as we all think. [Title]
Hoke will likely last the
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Somewhere in the second half my cable box died. I've been deathly ill the last few days with the flu and could hardly move. We were already down 6 and showed no signs of life on offense. Without hesitation, I scampered as fast I could up the stairs to my bedroom to watch on our second TV, the fastest I've moved in 3 days. The first play on the second TV? A tip ball pick six. That was enough.... finally, sweet release of geniunely not caring anymore. I watched the rest of the game in bed flipping channels (something I never do during Michigan games, even in commercials). [Title]
My fandom in a nutshell this season
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] (Oh who am I kidding) [Title]
(Oh who am I kidding)
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] That was bizarre and sad. Gardner has always been very supportive of Shane, even when he got benched last week. Something happened this week in practices that finally brought everything to a head. The sideline demeanor was terrible all game today. No one talking to anyone the entire time. [Title]
That was bizarre and sad.
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Honestly, I moved from the "needs more time" camp to the "let's try and hold it together until the end of the season with some semblence of order" camp after ND. The upcoming change still scares me, especially given the available candidates, but at this point there's no other option. This team is fundamentally broken. [Title]
Honestly, I moved from the
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Thanks for posting this. My memory was a little off on a couple of points and I have to say it makes Hoke look a lot worse. For one, I initially thought the Athletic Trainer had a chance to do a concusion test. Not only was there not enough time to, but he's on camera talking to Morris, but not administering the test. That means they sent him back out there without knowing his status. That's just plain awful For two, Bellomy was wandering around with a headset on 10-15 seconds after Gardner's helmet came off. It took the TV crew less time to realize he was needed and to find him on camera than it took the coaching staff. Inexcusable. [Title]
Thanks for posting this. My
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] You just described pretty much Devin Gardner's whole 2013 season. I get the head thing and why people are (rightfully) sensitive about it, which is why they did take him out. One play too late and then inexplicably one more play later, but they still took him out pretty damn quick. People have played through much much worse as far as leg issues though (Funchess right now is another example). [Title]
You just described pretty
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Head injuries are different and people are rightly more sensitive about them. That said, I sort of agree that people are looking at this with a very different lense than Gardner's 2013 pummelling. It's probably more that the game and season look lost as opposed to last year were we were in most games still until the near the end. [Title]
Head injuries are different
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] I wasn't that upset with the Morris thing initially, but I have to say, the Hoke comments are infuriating. Talk about just not getting it. [Title]
I wasn't that upset with the
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Again, I'm very much not defending him, the list of things that Hoke ought to notice that he hasn't is getting way too long. On the other hand, they did take him out... one play later and the only reason it wasn' immediately was because he refused to come out. It's negligence and incompetence, not maliciousness or callousness. Also, the commentators were clearly wrong as even their own broadcast showed Paul Schmitt shadowing Morris from when he first tweaked his ankle on. [Title]
Again, I'm very much not
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] It honestly looked to me more like he couldn't put weight on the leg than loss of balance or being disoriented. But yes, not even noticing on Brady's part is inexcusable. [Title]
It honestly looked to me more
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] I wasn't that upset with it initially. Like you said with the leg thing, lots of people play with those and we consider it gutsy in most cases. After the late hit, Morris was clearly motioning to the sideline that he didn't want to come out, so ok. Then they took him out pretty much immediately after that. The Bellmoy helmet thing upset me because how the fuck do you not tell the 3rd string guy to get ready. I'll give the trainers the benefit of the doubt they checked out Morris by then I guess. The thing I am pretty pissed about however, is that Brady mentioned postgame that he didn't notice Morris wobbly. That's inexcusable. Are you even fucking watching the game? The fucking QB takes head shot, there's a even a penalty called, but you don't even look his way to see if he's ok? I want to pull for him, but it's pretty clear at this point he's not cut out for head coaching at this level. [Title]
I wasn't that upset with it
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] I'm not defending Brady's job, he's cooked. but Morris was clearly motioning that he did not want to come out. Then they took him out one or two plays later. I didn't think the sequence was as deplorable as most I guess. That said, the fact that Hoke didn't even notice is unreal. The guy just can't focus on the details enough to run a program. [Title]
I'm not defending Brady's
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Yeah, I know that, but like I said, they took him out pretty much immediately after that. [Title]
Yeah, I know that, but like I
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] I was pretty sure Hoke needed to go (90% after ND, 99% after Utah) but I tried not to be too open about because I wanted to wait until the end of the season and was hoping we could hold together and support the team until then at least. Now, whatever. The guy isn't the right guy. Wish it weren't so and the transition still scares me, but what we have right now is untenable. We couldn't even catch a bus back to tenable right now. [Title]
I was pretty sure Hoke needed
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Of all the things, I'm kind of surprised people are the most upset at this. Gardner was gimpy most of last year and played a game on a broken foot. They took him out two plays after the late hit potential head injury, and only because Morris refused to come out. I'm not even sure it was a head hit, more like on the chin. The not calling the TO when Gardner's helmet came off was shitty, but Bellomy was on his way in until he couldn't find his helmet. I dunno, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they did a concussion check on Morris at that point and would have taken his helmet if he had failed. [Title]
Of all the things, I'm kind
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] At least there's no doubt. [Title]
At least there's no doubt.
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[Date] 43 weeks 2 days ago [Body] Oh absolutey. But OP was talking about taking him out much earlier, when he first tweaked the leg. They got him out one play too late on the late hit to the head (because Morris refused to come out, btw). And then obviously not calling the TO when Bellomy couldn't find his fucking helmet. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they did the concussion check on him by then though. [Title]
Oh absolutey. But OP was
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