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fine fine fine he was sick once with ummm an ear infection and once with he got this cough and he was uhhh like asthmatic umhum so you know the he had to have you know in uhhh the mask thing and h and these you know but it wasn't no at home nothing right right but but but because it's you those things usually return and it usually is a condition you know they prepared me for that and said oh you know but but the millions of kids here have it lot of kids and a lot of fug a lot of uhhh premi premies get it but he hasn't had another attack since so it was it's also fair to it was fair to assume then it was a one time thing too
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and how does have they well wait how do the kids deal with him are they happy with him are they getting jealous of him are they okay
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oh yeah they're fine they're big you know they' right uhhh
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what about you
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yalhas five years old oh no y like them yal like them pretty much right away everyone you know they invested so much in him too at the beginning we didn't have any of the ummm it was just it was a novelty because they waited so long to bringem home right and then you know the novelty worn off which was good right it wore off a long time ago and it just you know a lot of people have babies in their houses it's you know they're just another family with the baby in the house right and that was good that's the way it should be
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how do you have the kids in the house who's in which room
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well uel was in a room before y god came home uel was in a room by himself hmmm and noam and yohanan shared right but before we bought the baby home we switched it because uel's room was like a bacteria haven when i remember when i was i was up i was right a couple before a few weeks before we brought him home we cleaned out the room to switch and i s you know i said we can't put we can put any baby in this room before noaam got them back and yokanan youo you can mach you can control it better so it's yochanan and gabi and uel and noam the way the way they used to be together
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so you still have your office as your office
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right i'm sitting in it right now in front i was in front of the computer actually when you called okay
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and so what's with your working what's your new working thing
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uhhuh let's not talk about that
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depressing is it depressing or does it give you a lot of anxiety
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ab okay
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i also have the i also have taboo subjects i don't want to talk about i
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don't mind talking about it but i can't jam it into fifteen minutes so well
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we have half an hour i mean we could talk for half an hour it's just that we have to guarantee them fifteen minutes so
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oh oh but then david won't be able to
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so he has his own number the thing is
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oh so we have a half hour a say there
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yeah we have a sa we have a half an hour it has nothing to do with him
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and
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then ipress
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me very anxiety
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well that kind summed it up seriously what are your options
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well dozine i don't know i hate being home i hate it
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hate i
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really do i hate being home
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you feel like you want more people interaction
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i i i i it's a a lot of well first of all i'm i'm upset about what happened i'm upset now i'm upset i wasn't upset so much when it happened because that i i took at the time i was just taking everything in stride and everything you know gamzellla tovan and everything will be okay because i was the baby was still in the hospital and i and i you know i was still recovering from a
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well you're not really hard
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experience
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are you not'
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working from go no i heard you it is a terrible thingy right delay ummm i'm working on my own some private projects umhum ummm which i enjoy but it's not and the i don't think i have the mind set to be ummm independent i think i need to be an employee hmmm i think it's more it's more suitable to my personality and to it's my my personality professional person professionally as well as financially hmmm i just think the way i manage money the way we manage money it's just better you
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like getting that pay checkeck once a week and not just waiting for the end of a project or something
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right and and i don't i enjoy the flexibility of working at home and working when i want and things like that but i don't enjoy the pressure of it like you can
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it's always hangingide your head
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right with and and i have no problem you know ignoring the laundry right and ignoring the kids and working i just i just don't li it's just not it's just not suitable to me
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i did i do it i did it for a while and i hated it also i absolutely that was one of my kids i think i absolutely hated it because it like i would be in the middle of like changing a kid's diaper and the phone would ring and it would you know it would be a business thing client yeah right and you're like you have to try to act mature your kids are screaming in the other room and you're like have to pretend that nothing's go you know and you really want to be in the other room settling what's going on but you have to drop everything whenever you never know it's like there's a bomb waiting to go off always but you can neverd
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rather not the room i'd rather just be on the phone with the client
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right but you know you also can never relax because as soon as you sit down to read a book or do anything you're thinking well i really could should be doing this or you know whatever
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i don't have that problem because i don't have the steady i don't have a steady flow of work either hmmm it comes and it goes and it's not i don't have that many i don't have that many things and i have to wait for people to refm them and i have to go get them and i don't and i and i and as much as as many times as i go over every decision that i made along the way even over the last three years every decision was the right decision at the right time i mean it wasn't anything i did you know i mean we had this great master plan a few years ago that i when i was work when i was working at the consulting company and doing freelance projects in at night and going a little crazy because i really didn't have the free it was three kids at home and commuting and three hours a day it really was hard but i didn't want to give it up because it wasn't so much the money it was i was i was trying to see if this was something i could really do hmmm if i liked it and if i was good at it right and then and when we wanted to have another baby hmmm and and we figured oh you know and phil wanted to work more he wanted to invest more in in his ummm in in in his career right so we figured our plan are very you know all the best laid plans right and the truth is our plans came better than they could have they would have if if our plan was to we wanted to have another baby and then i would have a a ummm what's it called the maternity leave that i would take an extended one because i had been at this job for a while right and then and that's when i would try to freelance a little bit and see and and feel my oats in this but i would have a job waiting for me if i didn't like it
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okay so we're gonna start the informal conversation i actually forget two things one is i think i just saw the can you press the test button on that little controller with uhhh two sliders uhhh no to the to your left just press the test and did it like green when you press it alright and also uhhh if you can put your water on the floor just
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this
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no this
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test button all right
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okay
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away from only like trying to quit
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yes exactly ummm all right so uhhh we're supposed to start off with some linguist background type of stuff uhhh upbringing ummm where's riverdale
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urbdale's in georgia
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okay uhhh so where uhhh at what what ages did you move and stuff like that and where did you move
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uhhh i left georgia at six months old uhhh moved to colorado springs left when i was eight ummm lived in phoenix until i was twenty one
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then i joined the army i was
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ummm do you want to know where i lived okay i was in south carolina for six months sant antono for a year panama for two years dc for three years then i moved back to phoenix and i lived ummm all over arizona until june then i moved to philly
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hmmm
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flaxa arizona has got to be
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place that i've ever lived in my entire life ummm it was amazing weather
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it never gets over nine like ninety five i think ninety ninety seven degrees is the highest temperature on record so ummm so it's seven thousand feet it's not like most of arizona it's nice and cool it's a pine forest it's uhhh the gateway to the grand canyon sort of thing ummm just amazing weather it's beautiful there's no pollution
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blow because it all blows onto the reservation but
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i don't know it's just it's a great town ummm dc was fun i had a really good time living there so always something to do
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and it was my first trip to the east coast it was the first time i've lived on the east coast so it was a huge like experienceial thing for me as well and i was in the army so everything was free which makes dc a lot easier to enjoy yeah any big city really like someone's paying your rent paying for your clothes and paying for your food it's a hell of a lot easier to have a really good time
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ummm you're the second person i've talked well the first person i've talked to who is
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so
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oh okay
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my experience in the army was i mean i'm not going to say that it wasn't hard and there weren't times that i fucking hated it but it was it was good for me you know i joined when i was twenty one and uhhh i like to say that i grew up in the relative safety of the arms of the federal government you know ummm because you can't you can't really fuck up that much they're constantly looking over your shoulder they tell you
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yeah
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you know time and time and time and time again don't do this don't do this don't do this you know don't overdraw your checking account you could get in trouble you know don't ummm don't go down into the red zone because there's more aids in this country than there is in like ninety percent of the world you know and they and they hammer it into you so it's like your parents are always there only you learned to tune your parents out when you were nine and these are drill sergeants and you know other people that you haven't learned to tune out yet so ummm well that and you know you could end up in jail so those things you know tend to uhhh to motivate you to not do as many stupid things as much i guess so so yeah it was a good experience for me ummm
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you know i had a job i couldn't quit and money coming
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when i was broke i was broke and i don't know it was good for me
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ummm do you what motivated you in the first place to go in the honest
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i needed a job i couldn't quit and uhhh i wanted to go out to phoenix i was like i said i was twenty one years old and i'd been going to the bar since i was nineteen ummm and i would see the same people there you know because it was like the same neighborhood bar and go with the same group of people and see the same people and people that were the age that i was when i got out
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at the time you know who were working crappy jobs just so they could go to the bar and drink every night uhhh and i just didn't want that i was afraid of getting trapped you know i mean phoenix is a big city relatively speaking ummm
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but
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where i was at the time felt a lot like a small town and i was afraid of getting stuck there so the military was my my way out
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hmmm
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ummm have you have you worked in other areas as well uhhh
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oh yeah yeah ummm
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i work mostly in patient care you talking about like career wise or like city wise career wise ummm
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what did what was the other one city wise
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city wise yeah like other places okay ummm what actually when i got into the army i didn't care like i wanted to get into medicine because
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actually
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the girl that i was dating before i joined the army had been in the army and she said that medical was the place to be like it's like the best place to be so i wanted a medical job and anybody was interested in medicine anyway so ummm i basically told them i'll do psych radiology or physical therapy and they gave me a psych job so ummm i went to school
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and it was basically and ummm in case it was like a full job fit
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so i worked at set for five years and it was good you know but i realized like when i got out the site wasn't for me to talk much therapy is horrible i'm talking you know ummm and then when i got out i immediately went to uhhh honeywell inc which isn't huge out here but there's like honeywell's huge in out west ummm they make they make the static security systems and fans and stuff like that and that's the stuff that you're used to seeing with the honeywall they wanted but they also make black boxes and those connes and generators and i mean they're huge multi billion dollar mult national corporation they're huogous ummm they destore a lot of plants out here i don't know why but in phoenix there's like fourteen plants ummm they make different systems my dad worked pretty well ummm when he got out of the airforce which is the phoenix from color ummm so it worked pretty well they made shit ton of money but i was miserable so i got back into medicine because that's where i wanted to be and also brought me here
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what exactly made you miserable cuz i i mean i've worked jobs that where it's like like i worked at wharton where the pay was much better than it was here but like i absolutely couldn't stand that environment so like
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well for me it was ummm making a difference you know uhhh i had been i'd been working psych for five years and ummm then i went straight from that to like see cubicals every day and the only person that i made the only people whose lives i impacted in any way were my direct boss and his boss because the shit wasn't getting done shit goes downhill
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and the guy whose generator we were johning you know like that was it everyone i mean the two thousand i was pay fifteen bucks an hour with you know like
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really really but you know after working for me like after working in patient care and after having and helping i couldn't do that you know i couldn't just keep a cause couldn't eat uhhh a while to realize that around i'm happy bagel coffee a lot of money uhhh and then you know it was kind of kind of the one thing that ummm ended up leaving there and getting another job
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extremely happy with and leaving there and then nine eleven happened and there were no jobs so ummm it kind of forced me back into school which is good and bad i hate being poor other than that it's good you know so i think that brought me into philly is schools so
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where where at
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i'm gonna be at drexel the ph a program
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all right which stands for
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oh i'm sorry
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ummm how old are you thirty six thirty six all right ummm so you must have been
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uhhh like
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what do you remember where you were and then
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twenty nine yeah yeah
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oh yeah i was sleeping ummm because out there it was like eight o'clock in the morning yeah and i'm a i'm a sleeper asleep so uhhh that arizona arizona's kind of its own deal arizona except for the nava reservation ummm doesn't change its clocks so it's sometimes we're in the mountain time zone and sometimes we're in pacific time zone i think i can't even remember 'cause i grew up in arizona you know so it like yeah and this being out here like when i've lived on the east coast beforeing my clocks is going to fuck me up because i haven't done it my whole life my whole life you know
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