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what is it ten courses
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right
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philosophy science sounds really cool
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yeah
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yeah yeah i mean that's that's really what i'm interested in i really want to sort of be like a writer blogger on on you know popular science issues and stuff like that so ummm so yeah i think it'll be a great way to get more you know hands on training in that kind of thing
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yeah
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ummm so what else have you been up to this
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ummm what else have i been up to ummm basically just exploring the city a lot ummm this is my first time living here so i've been trying to get used to things ummm
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it reminds me a lot of boston where i went to college ummm it's like a very historical city and ummm and all that so yeah basically just walked downtown and see the sites ummm i went to independence hall on the liberty bell which honestly was kind of kind of a letdown it wasn't as as exciting as i had hoped but ummm but yeah i've been doing that i'm also working on getting a website together for my writing and creative stuff ummm so yeah that's been taking up a lot of my time
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what kind of writing do you do
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ummm i do a bit of fiction a bit of nonfiction right now what i'm really trying to do is finish up some articles that i can start sending out like to magazines and stuff ummm just sort of build up a resume as a as a writer ummm but ummm but yeah i also i also write short stories too but lately it's been mostly nonfiction
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like what
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ummm basically just ummm
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like issues that interest me like science and politics and stuff like that
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i just i admire writers who can you know put a new spin on
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you know on social issues of the day and ummm so you know like i really like carl sagan who who you know in the eighties was like you know the go to guy for for science and ummm so i try to you know i guess i try to emulate him a bit but ummm but obviously he's
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ummm he's got a bit more academic training than i do so that's why i'm trying to brush up
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give me an example what kind of what what's what's an article that
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ummm like ummm basically things uhhh like for example i've been reading a lot about evolution lately ummm so i'm i'm really fascinated by how ummm
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just by how little most people really know about it and i'm really interested in how that
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has an effect on you know our social circumstances and social policies ummm
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you know like there's there's so much talk about
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you know about social issues that i feel like would be better served if we actually studied the ummm you know the scientific basis for them you know like there's there's you know so much going on with you know gay marriage and sexual orientation but i feel like most people don't really understand the evolutionary you know basis behind that sort of thing and you know my hope is just that you know by writing and you know being knowledgeable about these things i can you know make people sort of look more deeply into you know why we behave certain ways you know based on our you know our biological you know
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background ummm so yeah no i'm i'm very interested in the ummm you know sort of the interdisciplinary aspect of of all those subjects
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well i mean i didn't know there was like a an evolutionary background to
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ummm homosexuality
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well that's the thing is that ummm i just i feel like most of the research that's being done in those subjects is sort of ignoring the the
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you know the evolutionary history of of you know of sex in general and ummm and you know the thing is that if there were a gene for homosexuality theoretically it should have died out is that's really the ummm you know the conunddrium that i think needs to be ummm
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well but uhhh in evolution there's a lot of there's a lot of things like that thathere
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well didn't
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right right yeah so i mean obviously the the two ummm the two hypotheses that i've
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i've looked into are the idea of kn selection which would be that ummm a a gay uncle would be helpful in passing on his sister's kids genes and the other option is that
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that ummm that gay men would uhhh be less threatening to the alphale and would sort of be more able to actually have sex with the females without ummm without as much competition sort of going you know behind the scenes those are the the theories that ummm that richard dackins who's ummm who's a big uhhh evolutionary ummm biologistscribes to but i mean i'm just i'm very interested in in the research being done on it so i mean i'm kind of holding out judgment until i actually you know have all the facts but
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but yeah i mean that's that's i mean that's just something i find really fascinating
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ummm did you read dawkins's book
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oh yeah yeah i've read pretty much everything by him ummm
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ummm yeah i mean he's he's really great at conveying ummm all these ideas in a way that even someone who doesn't have a backing in science can can understand and i just i find that
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you know so many of the case studies that he refers to are just are really fascinating examples of just how you know how different life forms can evolve in really creative ways that would amaze you if if he didn't ummm you know systemically show how those things can come about
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i think he goes uhhh goes into how the eye eved like forty different times in in in different animals which is which is just you know incredible
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well you know why he does that right
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to to refute creationism yeah
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because that's always what they
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right yeah yeah
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yeah so no he's he's one of my one of my heroes
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did you ever you know who ben stein is
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yes yes i haven't seen his movie though no i've heard about it but i haven't seen it
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the intelligent design movie
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i forget what it's called
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yeah
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it's so ridiculous
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yeah
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ummm
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yeah in in anthro we take it completely
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different approach to these types of
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yeah she is
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i'd be interested to hear but i feel like i'm probably the one who's supposed to be doing the talking here
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you sort of
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ummm
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so i you know but i i think there's there have to be i'm sure there are programs that are like for science writing
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have you looked into in science writing
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ummm i mean one
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like i think mit has a science writing
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hmmm yeah i mean i've looked into into journalism programs i haven't haven't looked into ummm into science writing but i mean the thing is is that
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basically my other option would be to delay grad school for like a year because all of those programs i'd have to apply
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well in advance so
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i think i'm going to stick with this one for now and see how it goes
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hmmm
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ummm so do you have any who do you live with
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ummm right now i live with uhhh a bunch of penn students i just i subleted a place for the summer 'cause i didn't know you know whether i'd be staying in philly but ummm yeah they're ummm yeah they're like two years younger than me and they're all studying like international relations and stuff like that
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do you get along with them
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ummm yeah i mean i don't really see them much they're ummm
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they're you know pretty busy but ummm but yeah they're they're cool people
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so you came to philly
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ummm
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because because of the program
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no i came to philly because la wasn't working out i was i was there for about a year and you know hoping to sort of you know make a living doing freelance film and stuff like that but it just ummm it just really wasn't my scene so basically josh and peat talked me into uhhh into coming out here ummm
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and ummm you know and i'm basically just looking for sort of freelance stuff ummm there's a job opening at at penn ummm in the in i guess it's the audio visual department that i'm applying for which would be filming the distinguished speakers series or something like that ummm so so that would be like you know a perfect thing for me
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you know having a having a film background ummm
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so so yeah that's basically my plan and i just i happened to you know i just was so close to penn and was just walking you know by it all the time and you know i was thinking about grad school so i i just you know came across the mla program and ummm
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went ahead so it was all very very spontaneous very
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three
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very quick and uhhh a little rushed but uhhh i think it uhhh i think it'll work out
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it's good when it's yeah sometimes the spontaneous rustings are the best
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ummm okay well it's time to move on to the transcript reading
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but ummm guess what happened ummm the ummm ummm let's see two weeks ago i know she was going right right did she yes she did
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yes
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she did ummm which was ummm which we had already anticipated that was going to happen i spoke to her mom on thursday and ummm and i asked her i said listen i said ummm please come to showove if things become to a point where i may have to resign relinquish my uhhh parenting uhhh would you mind uhhh taking her back and she said no she said uhhh she'd be more than happy to
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really this girl is like has everything
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it it is it is it is it is as my husband says uhhh
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uhhh
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el cader the destiny suma i'm telling you it is like a law has just painted the road and all i had to do was get on it and follow it it i mean things have been happening that have just scared the heck out of me i told mom i said mom it is when you believe in a law when you have faith and know when you truly give your heart to a law only a law can make the way clear for you i believe that by her birthday she will be living with her mother really ummm
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she's in a she's in a two year program she's in the program now she's doing very well when i talked to her it's i i'm talking to her like i'm talking to you i wrote her a letter and told her i said i think i said i i feel like i know you even though i've never met you ba
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i mean most women you lose your it
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never
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get chance
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that's true that's true well that's what she wrote me she said she said she said it it is just awesome to her what is what is happening yup hmmm oh i heard that yeah so f
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how she felt about
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what had
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