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Good grief, horse lovers, THEY AREN'T NATIVE and are destroying fragile ecosystems. They don't belong here and need to be removed, eradicated, rehomed, whatever.
One aspect the article didn’t mention is that these threats effect all aspects of park management, not just the horse program.
I recently left Parks, working in their Bushfire Management Team based in the Southern Ranges, working out of the same depot as the horse program.
When there are threats, or protests scheduled at the depot or up in the high country, we would avoid the area. We would change what bushfire mitigation work we had planned to avoid confrontation and increase our personal safety.
And that’s just one program. Same thing would be done by the people repairing roads, maintaining camp grounds, doing invasive weed management, controlling other feral species like pigs and wild dogs, rebuilding the destroyed huts, working with the Save Our Species team, etc etc.
The treats don’t just harm the horse program, they harm the entirety of Kosciusko National Park.
Feral horses are our gun control - a keen division on political grounds that can't be resolved by logic, evidence or debate
Not native they need to be fully humanely eradicated. Not sure this is even a question.
There is zero justification to threaten or stalk anyone let alone people doing their jobs.
Most of these people against the culls are just flat out lunatics. There is not a brain cell between each of them and they are unstable emotionally charged individuals. What they are threatening NPWS staff with is down right jail worthy but none of them have the guts to do it without hiding in the shadows. My brother works for parks in another region but gets deployed to other areas to assist and tells me the terrible things staff have to endure from these morons.
Most involved in the horse community actually agree with the culls. It’s the vegans and animal hoarders that believe they should be allowed to destroy the native flora
Not native, cause damage. Just like cats, camels, donkeys, foxes, and dogs etc.
Humanely eradicate.
Catch, desex and release the males, eventually they will become extinct. Works for fruit flies.
With reference to my earlier comment that this issue mirrors the political divide in America, arguing that the opposition don't have a brain is not helpful to finding a resolution. Because it then becomes a matter of supercilious, out-of-touch city folk vs salt-of-the-earth locals who see these majestic animals as part of their heritage. It's hard to be compassionate in the face of this stubborn position but to treat them as inferior through insults and assumptions serves to increase the friction between the opposing sides.
And then there are those who actually make money out of the feral horses.
Such as Peter Cochran, owner of Cochran Horse Treks, and former Nationals Member for Monaro and ex Deputy Premier John Barilaro: [https://www.9news.com.au/national/brumby-call-storm-as-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-faces-accusations-over-dontions/5960e321-d448-4682-9c4c-af095e367850](https://www.9news.com.au/national/brumby-call-storm-as-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-faces-accusations-over-dontions/5960e321-d448-4682-9c4c-af095e367850)
Follow the money, as usual.
I agree. I've also been arguing with someone in Melbourne who thinks crocodiles need to be culled because attacks are up in the far north (a lot of people looking for aMAAAAHZing social media content forgetting crocodiles are dangerous). But this same person insists brumbies are fine.
Is it really vegans?
Be realistic. If shooters can’t keep up with the population increase, how is an extra step in the process going to fix it? Shooting is a quicker method.
Unfortunately yes. I have an otherwise intelligent friend who's been radicalised, and his facile position on this issue is "don't kill animals". He wouldn't be against other methods I suppose, like sterilisation, though he's not interested in whether or not this is practical. It's a single-issue matter that dominates every other consideration in my friend's mind.
Don't be fooled, vegans are not environmentalists.
I spotted a dead foal in the middle of the Hume Hwy (grassed area) near Gundagai the other day. I was in the sth bound lane
I feel like majority of them are though and you just have one dumb friend.
It does depend on the vegan. Unfortunately a lot of them also get sucked into the "pure source" movement (for want of a better term). This is where you source your food from the "purest" location, which can be a disaster for indigenous populations (think quinoa), to say nothing of food miles.
I don't know if it's just a few yahoos, but I'm seeing a lot of anti-solar signs near highways on properties around the riverina area.
Edit. It is anti solar farms, not rooftop solar. I wasn't clear, sorry
A lot of people (my SIL included) think that the only benefit you get is the credits you get from the feed in, I don't even bother looking at that because they're usually so low they're hardly worth it unless you were one of the early ones who got a decent rate. The biggest saving you can get with solar is by using all the power hungry machines you can during the high input hours. We only use our dishwasher, washing machine, dryer during the sunny hours, if you want to be extra frugal you can put timers on your fridge and freezer so they only run during the sunny hours AND the off peak hours. Our power bill went from $750 down to $200 with the installation of a relatively small 2.5kw unit which was a very pleasant surprise as we hadn't thought it would be that good. The feed in credit? $34.73, granted it would have been slightly higher if we hadn't had the power hungry appliances only coming on in daylight hours but it would still have been nothing like the savings were getting. When I get past my "Gunna do" stage I'll put timers on my fridges and freezer but tomorrow's another day and I'll do it then.... maybe. Hey at my age I'm allowed to take it a little easy and pick and choose the chores I want to complete. 🤔 🥱 I have it on good authority that when you die it's for a very long time.
They don’t want solar farms - thinking they’ll take up grazing and crop land. Never realising that solar farms can still have grazing animals under the panels and the panels provide shade for animals (they killed all the trees way back when) which helps them keep their condition in the summer.
Only thing i can think of is the campaign is being run by people who stand to lose money if people decide to install solar.
Im like 99% confident (without seeing the signs/area you speak of) that they are against solar farms.
Not domestic solar.
They are afraid that solar panels are sucking up the sun’s light and it will end in doom
I think it’s more against all the solar farms popping up, not necessarily people putting solar on their houses.
some numbskull has a problem with free clean energy.
The LNP keep telling everyone who'll listen that renewable energy sources are the devils work.
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Maybe against smart metres, one of the OG cooker groups
Virtue signalling by not having it on
There are a few reasons
1. Cost: Pretty self Explanatory that the landlord doesn't care as they aren't paying the bills!
2. Location: Finding a location that is suitable is a challenge in some areas.
3. Upfront Investment: As above there is no incentive for the landlord to pay as solar doesn't really add value to a property.
4. Maintenance: It's just another thing the landlord has to maintain and repair if it stops working, as well as fixing water leaks in roofs, etc.
5. Regulatory barriers: to install solar the property owner is required to perform a number of mandatory upgrades like Roof condition, Structural support, Electrical panel service upgrades, smart meters, wired smoke alarms, and a list of other mandatory knock-on upgrades.
6. it's just easier not to bother
7. boomers tend to believe the Murdoch Stokes and Costello narrative that climate change is a scam.
Adam bandts communist party would like to have you believe they grow from on trees but in reality mass production of these has a huge effect on the enviroment
I’m pretty sure, setting up solar farms alters the surrounding area as it draws in more sunlight which can have an effect on wildlife, flora and I’m pretty sure it can have an effect on people as well, not 100% sure might have to fact check all of that
I’ve literally never seen or heard of this before.
All them solar panels going to use up all the sun. /s
I think, Down in the Riverina, they are not talking about Household Solar but large commercial farms and batteries! Have you seen the Solar farms around Canberra? The aim is to make Canberra Carbon neutral but these Lidites refuse to accept progress! Even if they are against rooftop solar they are still idiots who complain about higher bills due to the cost of Coal!
I am surprised no one has said it, but Smart Meters. In order to have Solar, you need to install a smart meter, which is a big security risk. The amount of analytical data you can harvest from a smart meter is pretty scary. Heat maps can be created of your movements and habits in you house. It can see power use down the the individual socket level. Your entire system can be shut off remotely by an attacker or a supplier. None of these smart meters have been properly pen tested for securityflaws. They are not designed for security. All new meters in NSW must now be smart meters. A lot of people refuse to upgrade because of the above concerns.
There are plenty of wind turbine cookers as well.
Solar is tracking your dreams you need to wear foil on your head to protect yourselves. But don’t tell any one it’s our secret save yourself first.
Yeah it’s not about rooftop Solar.
Probably The blue team are testing out all sorts of messages to find something people will get behind… Remember when they claimed wind farms caused some sub audible sound disease? Maybe solar farms take sun away from crops?
I am going to assume the signs are more towards the Wagga portion of the Riverina. I live out in Griffith and don't see any of those signs but see the all over the place when heading into Wagga. They are against taking animal grazing land for solar farms. But it doesn't need to be one or the other. Just outside Griffith there is a decent sized solar farm which is paired with sheep. There is another one near Narrandera airport as well. It's basically a fear of change or complete distaste for adapting to something new/different.
Eh we got solar and it’s been underwhelming at best and because of the nearby construction that has no end in sight it needs cleaning annually which costs more then the offset on our bill. I am all for green energy but given the chance I wouldn’t have spent the upfronts.
If your talking solar farms then of course that’s a great idea
Tropical North Queensland, I can not find a single installer that has a cyclone structural report or certificate. Everything else that I have to build has to have a such a report/certificate/engineering design.
It interferes with their aluminium
Taken from a Golburn based solar farm protest group, 'If this project is approved it will set a dangerous and irreversible precedent for inappropriate development of agricultural land and have devastating effects on the environment, local economy and aesthetics of the Goulburn Mulwaree Region' . Looks like a bunch of farmers trying go stop it. Typical really, if it doesn't benefit them directly then they will be against it, this is what land ownership does to some people!
Mine made holes in the roof, it leaked, the cost of getting it repaired killed the savings. My parents have solar water that has worked for close to 30 years though!
Because they are routing for Nuclear!
Local news story from last year about it.
https://fb.watch/kxIM9aPfpC/?mibextid=5Ufylb
The constant stream of slimy door to door salespeople, and there adds that always seem to involve old cricket captains reading off a que card flogging solar panels.
I’ve heard they’ve copped a decent amount of power surges since being on solar power. Not only effecting their household appliances, but cool rooms too. This could be the reason I guess
Could be a reflections thing, be a bit annoying to have a nice home and every time you look out the window theres a hundred reflections of the sun shining your way, but i have no idea, clearly
They are using good farmable land for solar is some peoples issues
Biggest issue with solar is they have a relatively short lifespan.
Most common solar panels used in solar farms will last 20-30 years and are not recyclable.
Before we begin mass producing these panels and just thinking they're the fix before we end up with insane amounts of technological waste, the technology needs to be refined.
Small single use cases are obviously less impactful. But I very much believe that until mass production of panels isn't going to leave us with junk 30 years down the track it's very much a band-aid solution.
Nothing else needs to be said then “around the Riverina area”.
NB, I lived there for years, so speaking from experience.
I’m not lol
Where will the cows live?
Imagine the government needed to build an alternative energy supply to keep the global elites happy.
And it would have cost the government Trillions of dollars to buy land.
Install the system.
Pay people to maintain and monitor them.
And they only last 10-15 years and they have to be replaced.
But, instead of the government doing that.
They convinced YOU
To pay for the solar system, on your personal home.
Damages are Your problem.
Replacement in 10-15 years is at Your cost
In most cases you still get a bill.
And they have been slowly edging back the cents per kW,
How much benefit will there be when they stop paying a subsidy?
Batteries are still not a great option, or cheap.
After all these years.
It is the greatest government scam in our recent history
Most of them are just idiots, who oppose renewable energy because they've been told it's the devil, by whatever conservative brain-dead politician they saw on Sky..
I have it on my roof. But the downside is... the sun doesn't shine at night. Well technically it does but without a baseload energy storage system (ESS) there's a supply gap, and that ESS isn't quite so friendly. Especially on city scales. Still, it's better than dinosaur-eating coal, gas, and oil fired power plants.
Basically right wing country bumpkin propaganda. There's been a bunch of disinformation spread in country communities claiming solar leeches toxic materials and is a huge waste creator in landfill. All of it is just a bunch of lies fed to gullible people.
Because it's a waste of land. If you're concerned about the environment the last thing you'd want to do is encourage the major mining these projects require. On top of that is the blatant slave labor.

Good grief, horse lovers, THEY AREN'T NATIVE and are destroying fragile ecosystems. They don't belong here and need to be removed, eradicated, rehomed, whatever.

One aspect the article didn’t mention is that these threats effect all aspects of park management, not just the horse program.

I recently left Parks, working in their Bushfire Management Team based in the Southern Ranges, working out of the same depot as the horse program.

When there are threats, or protests scheduled at the depot or up in the high country, we would avoid the area. We would change what bushfire mitigation work we had planned to avoid confrontation and increase our personal safety.

And that’s just one program. Same thing would be done by the people repairing roads, maintaining camp grounds, doing invasive weed management, controlling other feral species like pigs and wild dogs, rebuilding the destroyed huts, working with the Save Our Species team, etc etc.

The treats don’t just harm the horse program, they harm the entirety of Kosciusko National Park.

Feral horses are our gun control - a keen division on political grounds that can't be resolved by logic, evidence or debate

Not native they need to be fully humanely eradicated. Not sure this is even a question.

There is zero justification to threaten or stalk anyone let alone people doing their jobs.

Most of these people against the culls are just flat out lunatics. There is not a brain cell between each of them and they are unstable emotionally charged individuals. What they are threatening NPWS staff with is down right jail worthy but none of them have the guts to do it without hiding in the shadows. My brother works for parks in another region but gets deployed to other areas to assist and tells me the terrible things staff have to endure from these morons.

Most involved in the horse community actually agree with the culls. It’s the vegans and animal hoarders that believe they should be allowed to destroy the native flora

Not native, cause damage. Just like cats, camels, donkeys, foxes, and dogs etc.

Humanely eradicate.

Catch, desex and release the males, eventually they will become extinct. Works for fruit flies.

With reference to my earlier comment that this issue mirrors the political divide in America, arguing that the opposition don't have a brain is not helpful to finding a resolution. Because it then becomes a matter of supercilious, out-of-touch city folk vs salt-of-the-earth locals who see these majestic animals as part of their heritage. It's hard to be compassionate in the face of this stubborn position but to treat them as inferior through insults and assumptions serves to increase the friction between the opposing sides.

And then there are those who actually make money out of the feral horses.

Such as Peter Cochran, owner of Cochran Horse Treks, and former Nationals Member for Monaro and ex Deputy Premier John Barilaro: [https://www.9news.com.au/national/brumby-call-storm-as-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-faces-accusations-over-dontions/5960e321-d448-4682-9c4c-af095e367850](https://www.9news.com.au/national/brumby-call-storm-as-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-faces-accusations-over-dontions/5960e321-d448-4682-9c4c-af095e367850)

Follow the money, as usual.

I agree. I've also been arguing with someone in Melbourne who thinks crocodiles need to be culled because attacks are up in the far north (a lot of people looking for aMAAAAHZing social media content forgetting crocodiles are dangerous). But this same person insists brumbies are fine.

Is it really vegans?

Be realistic. If shooters can’t keep up with the population increase, how is an extra step in the process going to fix it? Shooting is a quicker method.

Unfortunately yes. I have an otherwise intelligent friend who's been radicalised, and his facile position on this issue is "don't kill animals". He wouldn't be against other methods I suppose, like sterilisation, though he's not interested in whether or not this is practical. It's a single-issue matter that dominates every other consideration in my friend's mind.

Don't be fooled, vegans are not environmentalists.

I spotted a dead foal in the middle of the Hume Hwy (grassed area) near Gundagai the other day. I was in the sth bound lane

I feel like majority of them are though and you just have one dumb friend.

It does depend on the vegan. Unfortunately a lot of them also get sucked into the "pure source" movement (for want of a better term). This is where you source your food from the "purest" location, which can be a disaster for indigenous populations (think quinoa), to say nothing of food miles.

I don't know if it's just a few yahoos, but I'm seeing a lot of anti-solar signs near highways on properties around the riverina area.

**Edit**. It is anti solar farms, not rooftop solar. I wasn't clear, sorry

A lot of people (my SIL included) think that the only benefit you get is the credits you get from the feed in, I don't even bother looking at that because they're usually so low they're hardly worth it unless you were one of the early ones who got a decent rate. The biggest saving you can get with solar is by using all the power hungry machines you can during the high input hours. We only use our dishwasher, washing machine, dryer during the sunny hours, if you want to be extra frugal you can put timers on your fridge and freezer so they only run during the sunny hours AND the off peak hours. Our power bill went from $750 down to $200 with the installation of a relatively small 2.5kw unit which was a very pleasant surprise as we hadn't thought it would be that good. The feed in credit? $34.73, granted it would have been slightly higher if we hadn't had the power hungry appliances only coming on in daylight hours but it would still have been nothing like the savings were getting. When I get past my "Gunna do" stage I'll put timers on my fridges and freezer but tomorrow's another day and I'll do it then.... maybe. Hey at my age I'm allowed to take it a little easy and pick and choose the chores I want to complete. 🤔 🥱 I have it on good authority that when you die it's for a very long time.

They don’t want solar farms - thinking they’ll take up grazing and crop land. Never realising that solar farms can still have grazing animals under the panels and the panels provide shade for animals (they killed all the trees way back when) which helps them keep their condition in the summer.

Only thing i can think of is the campaign is being run by people who stand to lose money if people decide to install solar.

Im like 99% confident (without seeing the signs/area you speak of) that they are against solar farms.

Not domestic solar.

They are afraid that solar panels are sucking up the sun’s light and it will end in doom

I think it’s more against all the solar farms popping up, not necessarily people putting solar on their houses.

some numbskull has a problem with free clean energy.

The LNP keep telling everyone who'll listen that renewable energy sources are the devils work.

[ Removed by Reddit ]

Maybe against smart metres, one of the OG cooker groups

Virtue signalling by not having it on

There are a few reasons

1. Cost: Pretty self Explanatory that the landlord doesn't care as they aren't paying the bills!

2. Location: Finding a location that is suitable is a challenge in some areas.

3. Upfront Investment: As above there is no incentive for the landlord to pay as solar doesn't really add value to a property.

4. Maintenance: It's just another thing the landlord has to maintain and repair if it stops working, as well as fixing water leaks in roofs, etc.

5. Regulatory barriers: to install solar the property owner is required to perform a number of mandatory upgrades like Roof condition, Structural support, Electrical panel service upgrades, smart meters, wired smoke alarms, and a list of other mandatory knock-on upgrades.

6. it's just easier not to bother

7. boomers tend to believe the Murdoch Stokes and Costello narrative that climate change is a scam.

Adam bandts communist party would like to have you believe they grow from on trees but in reality mass production of these has a huge effect on the enviroment

I’m pretty sure, setting up solar farms alters the surrounding area as it draws in more sunlight which can have an effect on wildlife, flora and I’m pretty sure it can have an effect on people as well, not 100% sure might have to fact check all of that

I’ve literally never seen or heard of this before.

All them solar panels going to use up all the sun. /s

I think, Down in the Riverina, they are not talking about Household Solar but large commercial farms and batteries! Have you seen the Solar farms around Canberra? The aim is to make Canberra Carbon neutral but these Lidites refuse to accept progress! Even if they are against rooftop solar they are still idiots who complain about higher bills due to the cost of Coal!

I am surprised no one has said it, but Smart Meters. In order to have Solar, you need to install a smart meter, which is a big security risk. The amount of analytical data you can harvest from a smart meter is pretty scary. Heat maps can be created of your movements and habits in you house. It can see power use down the the individual socket level. Your entire system can be shut off remotely by an attacker or a supplier. None of these smart meters have been properly pen tested for securityflaws. They are not designed for security. All new meters in NSW must now be smart meters. A lot of people refuse to upgrade because of the above concerns.

There are plenty of wind turbine cookers as well.

Solar is tracking your dreams you need to wear foil on your head to protect yourselves. But don’t tell any one it’s our secret save yourself first.

Yeah it’s not about rooftop Solar.

Probably The blue team are testing out all sorts of messages to find something people will get behind… Remember when they claimed wind farms caused some sub audible sound disease? Maybe solar farms take sun away from crops?

I am going to assume the signs are more towards the Wagga portion of the Riverina. I live out in Griffith and don't see any of those signs but see the all over the place when heading into Wagga. They are against taking animal grazing land for solar farms. But it doesn't need to be one or the other. Just outside Griffith there is a decent sized solar farm which is paired with sheep. There is another one near Narrandera airport as well. It's basically a fear of change or complete distaste for adapting to something new/different.

Eh we got solar and it’s been underwhelming at best and because of the nearby construction that has no end in sight it needs cleaning annually which costs more then the offset on our bill. I am all for green energy but given the chance I wouldn’t have spent the upfronts.

If your talking solar farms then of course that’s a great idea

Tropical North Queensland, I can not find a single installer that has a cyclone structural report or certificate. Everything else that I have to build has to have a such a report/certificate/engineering design.

It interferes with their aluminium

Taken from a Golburn based solar farm protest group, 'If this project is approved it will set a dangerous and irreversible precedent for inappropriate development of agricultural land and have devastating effects on the environment, local economy and aesthetics of the Goulburn Mulwaree Region' . Looks like a bunch of farmers trying go stop it. Typical really, if it doesn't benefit them directly then they will be against it, this is what land ownership does to some people!

Mine made holes in the roof, it leaked, the cost of getting it repaired killed the savings. My parents have solar water that has worked for close to 30 years though!

Because they are routing for *Nuclear*!

Local news story from last year about it.

https://fb.watch/kxIM9aPfpC/?mibextid=5Ufylb

The constant stream of slimy door to door salespeople, and there adds that always seem to involve old cricket captains reading off a que card flogging solar panels.

I’ve heard they’ve copped a decent amount of power surges since being on solar power. Not only effecting their household appliances, but cool rooms too. This could be the reason I guess

Could be a reflections thing, be a bit annoying to have a nice home and every time you look out the window theres a hundred reflections of the sun shining your way, but i have no idea, clearly

They are using good farmable land for solar is some peoples issues

Biggest issue with solar is they have a relatively short lifespan.

Most common solar panels used in solar farms will last 20-30 years and are not recyclable.

Before we begin mass producing these panels and just thinking they're the fix before we end up with insane amounts of technological waste, the technology needs to be refined.

Small single use cases are obviously less impactful. But I very much believe that until mass production of panels isn't going to leave us with junk 30 years down the track it's very much a band-aid solution.

Nothing else needs to be said then “around the Riverina area”.

NB, I lived there for years, so speaking from experience.

I’m not lol

Where will the cows live?

Imagine the government needed to build an alternative energy supply to keep the global elites happy.

And it would have cost the government Trillions of dollars to buy land.

Install the system.

Pay people to maintain and monitor them.

And they only last 10-15 years and they have to be replaced.

But, instead of the government doing that.

They convinced YOU

To pay for the solar system, on your personal home.

Damages are Your problem.

Replacement in 10-15 years is at Your cost

In most cases you still get a bill.

And they have been slowly edging back the cents per kW,

How much benefit will there be when they stop paying a subsidy?

Batteries are still not a great option, or cheap.

After all these years.

It is the greatest government scam in our recent history

Most of them are just idiots, who oppose renewable energy because they've been told it's the devil, by whatever conservative brain-dead politician they saw on Sky..

I have it on my roof. But the downside is... the sun doesn't shine at night. Well technically it does but without a baseload energy storage system (ESS) there's a supply gap, and that ESS isn't quite so friendly. Especially on city scales. Still, it's better than dinosaur-eating coal, gas, and oil fired power plants.

Basically right wing country bumpkin propaganda. There's been a bunch of disinformation spread in country communities claiming solar leeches toxic materials and is a huge waste creator in landfill. All of it is just a bunch of lies fed to gullible people.

Because it's a waste of land. If you're concerned about the environment the last thing you'd want to do is encourage the major mining these projects require. On top of that is the blatant slave labor.