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I didn’t know that. But happily, if we put up enough solar panels to power all of Australia, our sheep could live under them, and we’d still have plenty of room for cattle!
Maybe they don’t like the look. But I do. When they are built a bit high, they provide shade and the sheep lie underneath like sultans in the grass.
Only on Tele. There are no solar farms where I live.
Land is cheap here, for now. Water is the limiting factor, not sun. Very different from Europe, but at some point, the return on investment will meet up and you'll see the same things here.
Maybe not, but you’re free to explain your thoughts if you want. Im a big fan of solar and have installed it on my house. I struggle to see a negative to solar so I’m all ears if you have a beef-roll with the industry ;p
*your
I'm not a big fan!
People are worried about the loss of arable agricultural land. Which is ridiculous, because a) look at the hunter and it's open cut coal mines b) you can still have limited grazing underneath solar farms, even if you can't sow down pastures anymore.
It was an article in the Betoota Advocate by I P Freely and Seymor Butz. It was published on 31/2/23.
Reference;
Aussie_antman: The LNP keep telling everyone who'll listen that renewable energy sources are the devils work.
Farmers mostly, worried about land devaluation.
Really? The only people who I ever find disagreeing with me about climate change are over 60. They think that because the sun kept shining for their entire life that nothing bad Is happening.
What? You’re kidding me. Is Sydney Harbour really under water. Well then, we’re all doomed
Timing might be off, but give Sydney Harbour time.
They just discovered the in past two years, that the two largest glaciers are no longer attached to the seabed, (they're phsycially rising and falling with the tide now...) so there's warm water getting underneath them... Timing is off, but our "well, it didn't happen yet, so it's bs" attitude in general will get us there eventually..
>The regulatory BS is a joke. If you want me to go green why make it harder?
>
>It is WAY easier (and much cheaper) to not bother.
Just a heads-up. the installer handles the regulatory. they just give you a price after rebates.
You're leaving money on the table by not adding solar. It's around 20% return on investment. There are no other sure bets that good.
Installers don't put holes in roofs. Rooftop solar is a mature industry.
This comment is what scares me. The fact you can't see the value of an attacker being able to remotely disconnect what is arguably our most vital resource provided to our home behind water is rather astonishing. The Ukraine has already shown us what Cyber war is all about. If someone flicks your switch out the front, then you flick it back on again. That is not an option with a smart meter. You are relinquishing the control of your house to external forces. Just like people did with TV's when they stopped selling actual TV's and gave people a hardware subscription service to firmware updates instead. Now you can't watch TV unless the manufacturer allows it. 20+ years in the security industry has given me a bleak outlook on things I guess. I have seen too much to be trusting.
Yeah it was
It didn't rain hard enough until nearly 5 years later, even then my housemate didn't tell me for ages!
Some designs allow grazing while others need exclusive use of the land. On average the yield per hectare (money the land owner makes based on what is on the land) is higher for a solar farm exclusively than general grazing of cattle or sheep on their own or in mixed use. Crops are a different kettle of fish, their price can vary wildly from year to year so it a bit of a crap shoot as to which is more profitable but the solar is guaranteed income.
But the protesting is coming more from adjoining landowners who make nothing from the solar farms but can have a few negative impacts such as water runoff issues, reflections from panels altering how things grow on the land and land value itself from those issues and visual impacts.
A bit. Our house is single story with a long central roof facing north. We could actually install another 60 panels on the roof for recharging cars etc. we installed the 30 panels maybe a year or so ago and they are 370w panels but you can now get over 400w panels now
I don't think we get much, we just wanted to get close to producing what we use etc. I want to install another 30 panels at at least 400w per panel then add batteries. We will move our cars to electric over the next two years. We work from home e half the time and so have the ability to go almost completely off grid. That is my aim
A long time ago, when the earth was born
Rooftop systems cost a lot, triple even quadruple what they are now. Gov'ts supported the fledgling industry by giving high subsidy to feed-in.
Thankfully that need is long gone, and systems are less expensive and more efficient, not really even needing a feed-in tariff other than as a feel-good kinda deal.
We actually use the appliances during the day that are heavy eg pool pumps and washing machines etc
Gosh, I only have 12 panels and my bill dropped from $200 ish to double figures.
Only paid $5000 initially.
I installed 22 panels worth i gues 20-30 kwts? I don't remember. My bills were 100-250 and is reduced to 0-40. I paid around 5k (paid through gov interest free loan) . Honestly the repayments were unnoticeable when compared to other bills so i found myself wondering why people hesitate 🤔. Some whine about the feed in rates but seriously the most of benefits you get is by the 8-10 hrs daylight where your energy consumption from the grid is virtually 0. Also good to note that i shut nothing down at non-sunny hours.
You should do the numbers. If you save $250 each bill, that's $1000 a year. My dad got 6kw for $4.5k 3 years ago after a bunch of bargain hunting. Others quoted far more.
Those values indicate he pays back his investment in 4.5 years and they have a decent warranty.
BUT, what most people don't realise is you can convert this to a bank style savings account.
Imagine putting $4500 into a bank and getting back $1000 a year. That's a 22% interest rate, whereas banks give you 4% on your cash now.
So I always told my friends, if you have cash in the bank you're a dummy if you haven't installed solar, and they just couldn't see it. It's weird how you get conditioned to do things the hard way.
These values are optimum, but even half these returns, or twice the install cost, is far better than cash in the bank.
If you use it for electric heating, then it saves a fortune. Ours paid off in 3 years compared to gas heating. Combined with an insulation upgrade, we literally did not pay for power (net) in a year.
Gas is worse for the environment.
The entire point of renewable energy, is to stop using fossil fuels that literally are causing the destruction of our environment...
Sooner they turn off the gas taps the better.
Cost me 1,000$aud for 6.5kw system fitted complete with government rebates a fucking bargain if you ask me
Disagree, the feed in tariffs may be garbage (and that won’t change, cos corruption, gotta make coal look good somehow) but as long as the price to buy from the grid keeps going up, we keep winning.
The grid won't be getting cheaper anytime soon.
20% power price increase coming in July.
I thought it was funny that the one near south Canberra managed to go broke during the time of high electricity prices last year. Makes you wonder how it was managed.
But plans could be changed!
Wanna know the even bigger joke?
They built it too big and big transmission lines can’t take it if they turn it all on. The last 5 years it’s only been 1/2 on.
Well I, for one, think your thinking is fine
Same thing can be said to your statement , maybe people adovating FOR solar is getting kick backs from green companies who receive massive concessions from the government
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You mustn't generalize EVER It might just bite you on the arse! P.S. I'm 68 and 90% of my friends are 100% pro-renewable energy. There are ignorant fuckwits everywhere of all ages Thankfully they are in the Minority.
Lol yeah. Whilst an impact of humanity can't be denied, the charts and predictions were a bit off
Never said I don't believe humans have an impact (that would be silly). Sydney will a decent 600+ years old by the time it happens is all I'm suggesting
Yeah, you’re cooked mate.
Why would anyone want to turn your power off? If it’s for the purpose of crime, they will turn it off at the meter box and when you go out to turn it back on you get jumped….if they want your stuff they will get your stuff.
How much was the bill before the install?
Sure, but $20 worth for the remaining 16 hours seems astoundingly cheap. At an average of 5,200 kWh/year, saving on your washing machine (0.2 kWh/load) wouldn't seem to matter all that much.
I'm assuming you work from home, or are retired, seeing as how you can do all that during work hours.
There are still 16-20 hours/day where your solar panels don't provide enough power, right? So how does that only come out to $20? Do you guys have battery storage at home?
22 panels is something around ~6.2kW.
Only industrial places really only have 20-30kW systems, if you had that much on your house it would be super overkill haha.
Same here we got 18 panels installed for about 3500. Our bills have dramatically dropped and I'd say have almost been paid of in just over a year. Winter goes up for sure but I think we saving almost 1400 last winter with heater on 24/7
Has the feedback tariff got better or worse than when it first started? (Compared to the price per kwh)
Over the lifetime of your panel it probably will
Unbelievable. Did you know that Canberra is entirely powered by renewables?
yeah sure if they were asking for your advice and you had some way of holding them to their word and if you could ensure that they even had the wherewithal to keep their promises.
But eventually the lines will catch-up and they’ll turn it all on. Be hopeful. All the world will glow from space and it will be beautiful.
Which is the crying shame of commonwealth inaction. They've been told about the future bottleneck of grid transmission for decades. The disinfomation campaigns worked to delay what was needed, and we're bloody well paying a high price for that inaction now.
Cool story bro, needs more dragons n shit...
Dude it's obvious when the government makes a shit load of money taxing fossil fuels, and takes a massive fuel excise, that any move to free sunshine energy is inconvenient to them.
Then you've got the revolving door of jobs between the government sector and mining industry and its unions.
If there's money in it, they will protect it. Don't be so fuxking naive.
I see no problem with green initiatives being supported by the government. But I was speaking objectively when I initially answered OPs question.
Maybe explaining your personal attacks isn’t your strongest point 🤔
Exhibit 1: Matt Canavans Twitter feed.
Exhibit 2: George Christensen's Twitter feed...
I'm aware Georgie has left the party etc, but their base is the same crowd, so there's cross over.
I'm same and the objectors to renewables and disrupting their lives that I know are in their 40s and 50s. I do know one in their 60s, but the rest are very much in favour. Especially on respiratory health grounds in addition to global heating. Coal has got to go.
Actually, glacial ice is depleting at about 13% a year, for past five years. Estimate is by 2045ish, the one in Antarctica will go, which is a predicted 3m rise. The one in Greenland that's on the precipice now, is a .5m global rise.
The thing people ignore is that glaciers melting over water aren't the issue. It's the ones melting on land that are the threat, and they're eroding at a truly truly scary rate now, particular over past three years.
You do realise we live in a climate that is very close to actual war in multiple fronts right now dont you? Well, actually, apparently you don't. No worries mate, carry on, she'll be right ey. Also, when the crime gang breaks into your house because they know for a fact you aren't home based on your power usage, you'll be wondering who was the cooker in the end.
> Why would anyone want to turn your power off?
4chan celebrates its 20th anniversary in October.
Add to that it's the era of surveillance capitalism -- China and Anon have a very low interest in monitoring how long you spend in your TV room, but Google,Facebook/Meta (and the rest of that industry) spends tens of billions of dollars every year acquiring population data you expect should be private so advertisers can play you like an instrument.
No, it won't be from 733t H@KK3Rs or the FSB pwning ur grids -- what busts the security of smart metres are those so-convenient free Apps loaded up with the standard analytics frameworks, which all the computer-illiterate middle class have been tooled into wanting to show how clever and modern they are. It's how they get around privacy legislation. "Oh, but the Pleb allowed us to access their power meter data... and analyze it.. and share it with trusted overseas
partners... who produce commercial intelligence products for the advertising industry.. but we have a Privacy Policy... that they didn't look at.. which allows all this."
https://www.google.com/search?q=app+smartmeter
I can't work out whether you are naive, ignorant, or a shill.
Why would anyone want to turn your power off?
How about to prevent a catastrophic failure to the grid? We already have grids that can't handle the demand in peak times right now, eg. when people get home from work, and turn their aircon on, plug in their evs, both, plus any number of other appliances?
Past example:
Texas 2021 "During a demand-response event, Smart Savers Texas increases the temperature on participating thermostats by up to 4 degrees to reduce energy consumption and relieve stress on the grid," Erika Diamond, EnergyHub's vice president of customer solutions, told Insider, adding that "the ability to reduce energy consumption is critical to managing the grid, in Texas and nationwide."
https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-energy-companies-remotely-raised-smart-thermostats-temperatures-2021-6

I didn’t know that. But happily, if we put up enough solar panels to power all of Australia, our sheep could live under them, and we’d still have plenty of room for cattle!

Maybe they don’t like the look. But I do. When they are built a bit high, they provide shade and the sheep lie underneath like sultans in the grass.

Only on Tele. There are no solar farms where I live.

Land is cheap here, for now. Water is the limiting factor, not sun. Very different from Europe, but at some point, the return on investment will meet up and you'll see the same things here.

Maybe not, but you’re free to explain your thoughts if you want. Im a big fan of solar and have installed it on my house. I struggle to see a negative to solar so I’m all ears if you have a beef-roll with the industry ;p

*your

I'm not a big fan!

People are worried about the loss of arable agricultural land. Which is ridiculous, because a) look at the hunter and it's open cut coal mines b) you can still have limited grazing underneath solar farms, even if you can't sow down pastures anymore.

It was an article in the Betoota Advocate by I P Freely and Seymor Butz. It was published on 31/2/23.

Reference;

Aussie_antman: The LNP keep telling everyone who'll listen that renewable energy sources are the devils work.

Farmers mostly, worried about land devaluation.

Really? The only people who I ever find disagreeing with me about climate change are over 60. They think that because the sun kept shining for their entire life that nothing bad Is happening.

What? You’re kidding me. Is Sydney Harbour really under water. Well then, we’re all doomed

Timing might be off, but give Sydney Harbour time.

They just discovered the in past two years, that the two largest glaciers are no longer attached to the seabed, (they're phsycially rising and falling with the tide now...) so there's warm water getting underneath them... Timing is off, but our "well, it didn't happen yet, so it's bs" attitude in general will get us there eventually..

>The regulatory BS is a joke. If you want me to go green why make it harder?

>

>It is WAY easier (and much cheaper) to not bother.

Just a heads-up. the installer handles the regulatory. they just give you a price after rebates.

You're leaving money on the table by not adding solar. It's around 20% return on investment. There are no other sure bets that good.

Installers don't put holes in roofs. Rooftop solar is a mature industry.

This comment is what scares me. The fact you can't see the value of an attacker being able to remotely disconnect what is arguably our most vital resource provided to our home behind water is rather astonishing. The Ukraine has already shown us what Cyber war is all about. If someone flicks your switch out the front, then you flick it back on again. That is not an option with a smart meter. You are relinquishing the control of your house to external forces. Just like people did with TV's when they stopped selling actual TV's and gave people a hardware subscription service to firmware updates instead. Now you can't watch TV unless the manufacturer allows it. 20+ years in the security industry has given me a bleak outlook on things I guess. I have seen too much to be trusting.

Yeah it was

It didn't rain hard enough until nearly 5 years later, even then my housemate didn't tell me for ages!

Some designs allow grazing while others need exclusive use of the land. On average the yield per hectare (money the land owner makes based on what is on the land) is higher for a solar farm exclusively than general grazing of cattle or sheep on their own or in mixed use. Crops are a different kettle of fish, their price can vary wildly from year to year so it a bit of a crap shoot as to which is more profitable but the solar is guaranteed income.

But the protesting is coming more from adjoining landowners who make nothing from the solar farms but can have a few negative impacts such as water runoff issues, reflections from panels altering how things grow on the land and land value itself from those issues and visual impacts.

A bit. Our house is single story with a long central roof facing north. We could actually install another 60 panels on the roof for recharging cars etc. we installed the 30 panels maybe a year or so ago and they are 370w panels but you can now get over 400w panels now

I don't think we get much, we just wanted to get close to producing what we use etc. I want to install another 30 panels at at least 400w per panel then add batteries. We will move our cars to electric over the next two years. We work from home e half the time and so have the ability to go almost completely off grid. That is my aim

A long time ago, when the earth was born

Rooftop systems cost a lot, triple even quadruple what they are now. Gov'ts supported the fledgling industry by giving high subsidy to feed-in.

Thankfully that need is long gone, and systems are less expensive and more efficient, not really even needing a feed-in tariff other than as a feel-good kinda deal.

We actually use the appliances during the day that are heavy eg pool pumps and washing machines etc

Gosh, I only have 12 panels and my bill dropped from $200 ish to double figures.

Only paid $5000 initially.

I installed 22 panels worth i gues 20-30 kwts? I don't remember. My bills were 100-250 and is reduced to 0-40. I paid around 5k (paid through gov interest free loan) . Honestly the repayments were unnoticeable when compared to other bills so i found myself wondering why people hesitate 🤔. Some whine about the feed in rates but seriously the most of benefits you get is by the 8-10 hrs daylight where your energy consumption from the grid is virtually 0. Also good to note that i shut nothing down at non-sunny hours.

You should do the numbers. If you save $250 each bill, that's $1000 a year. My dad got 6kw for $4.5k 3 years ago after a bunch of bargain hunting. Others quoted far more.

Those values indicate he pays back his investment in 4.5 years and they have a decent warranty.

BUT, what most people don't realise is you can convert this to a bank style savings account.

Imagine putting $4500 into a bank and getting back $1000 a year. That's a 22% interest rate, whereas banks give you 4% on your cash now.

So I always told my friends, if you have cash in the bank you're a dummy if you haven't installed solar, and they just couldn't see it. It's weird how you get conditioned to do things the hard way.

These values are optimum, but even half these returns, or twice the install cost, is far better than cash in the bank.

If you use it for electric heating, then it saves a fortune. Ours paid off in 3 years compared to gas heating. Combined with an insulation upgrade, we literally did not pay for power (net) in a year.

Gas is worse for the environment.

The entire point of renewable energy, is to stop using fossil fuels that literally are causing the destruction of our environment...

Sooner they turn off the gas taps the better.

Cost me 1,000$aud for 6.5kw system fitted complete with government rebates a fucking bargain if you ask me

Disagree, the feed in tariffs may be garbage (and that won’t change, cos corruption, gotta make coal look good *somehow*) but as long as the price to buy from the grid keeps going up, we keep winning.

The grid won't be getting cheaper anytime soon.

20% power price increase coming in July.

I thought it was funny that the one near south Canberra managed to go broke during the time of high electricity prices last year. Makes you wonder how it was managed.

But plans could be changed!

Wanna know the even bigger joke?

They built it too big and big transmission lines can’t take it if they turn it all on. The last 5 years it’s only been 1/2 on.

Well I, for one, think your thinking is fine

Same thing can be said to your statement , maybe people adovating FOR solar is getting kick backs from green companies who receive massive concessions from the government

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You mustn't generalize EVER It might just bite you on the arse! P.S. I'm 68 and 90% of my friends are 100% pro-renewable energy. There are ignorant fuckwits everywhere of all ages Thankfully they are in the Minority.

Lol yeah. Whilst an impact of humanity can't be denied, the charts and predictions were a bit off

Never said I don't believe humans have an impact (that would be silly). Sydney will a decent 600+ years old by the time it happens is all I'm suggesting

Yeah, you’re cooked mate.

Why would anyone want to turn your power off? If it’s for the purpose of crime, they will turn it off at the meter box and when you go out to turn it back on you get jumped….if they want your stuff they will get your stuff.

How much was the bill before the install?

Sure, but $20 worth for the remaining 16 hours seems astoundingly cheap. At an average of 5,200 kWh/year, saving on your washing machine (0.2 kWh/load) wouldn't seem to matter all that much.

I'm assuming you work from home, or are retired, seeing as how you can do all that during work hours.

There are still 16-20 hours/day where your solar panels don't provide enough power, right? So how does that only come out to $20? Do you guys have battery storage at home?

22 panels is something around ~6.2kW.

Only industrial places really only have 20-30kW systems, if you had that much on your house it would be super overkill haha.

Same here we got 18 panels installed for about 3500. Our bills have dramatically dropped and I'd say have almost been paid of in just over a year. Winter goes up for sure but I think we saving almost 1400 last winter with heater on 24/7

Has the feedback tariff got better or worse than when it first started? (Compared to the price per kwh)

Over the lifetime of your panel it probably will

Unbelievable. Did you know that Canberra is entirely powered by renewables?

yeah sure if they were asking for your advice and you had some way of holding them to their word and if you could ensure that they even had the wherewithal to keep their promises.

But eventually the lines will catch-up and they’ll turn it all on. Be hopeful. All the world will glow from space and it will be beautiful.

Which is the crying shame of commonwealth inaction. They've been told about the future bottleneck of grid transmission for decades. The disinfomation campaigns worked to delay what was needed, and we're bloody well paying a high price for that inaction now.

Cool story bro, needs more dragons n shit...

Dude it's obvious when the government makes a shit load of money taxing fossil fuels, and takes a massive fuel excise, that any move to free sunshine energy is inconvenient to them.

Then you've got the revolving door of jobs between the government sector and mining industry and its unions.

If there's money in it, they will protect it. Don't be so fuxking naive.

I see no problem with green initiatives being supported by the government. But I was speaking objectively when I initially answered OPs question.

Maybe explaining your personal attacks isn’t your strongest point 🤔

Exhibit 1: Matt Canavans Twitter feed.

Exhibit 2: George Christensen's Twitter feed...

I'm aware Georgie has left the party etc, but their base is the same crowd, so there's cross over.

I'm same and the objectors to renewables and disrupting their lives that I know are in their 40s and 50s. I do know one in their 60s, but the rest are very much in favour. Especially on respiratory health grounds in addition to global heating. Coal has got to go.

Actually, glacial ice is depleting at about 13% a year, for past five years. Estimate is by 2045ish, the one in Antarctica will go, which is a predicted 3m rise. The one in Greenland that's on the precipice now, is a .5m global rise.

The thing people ignore is that glaciers melting over water aren't the issue. It's the ones melting on land that are the threat, and they're eroding at a truly truly scary rate now, particular over past three years.

You do realise we live in a climate that is very close to actual war in multiple fronts right now dont you? Well, actually, apparently you don't. No worries mate, carry on, she'll be right ey. Also, when the crime gang breaks into your house because they know for a fact you aren't home based on your power usage, you'll be wondering who was the cooker in the end.

> Why would anyone want to turn your power off?

4chan celebrates its 20th anniversary in October.

Add to that it's the era of surveillance capitalism -- China and Anon have a very low interest in monitoring how long you spend in your TV room, but Google,Facebook/Meta (and the rest of that industry) spends tens of billions of dollars every year acquiring population data you expect should be private so advertisers can play you like an instrument.

No, it won't be from 733t H@KK3Rs or the FSB pwning ur grids -- what busts the security of smart metres are those so-convenient free Apps loaded up with the standard analytics frameworks, which all the computer-illiterate middle class have been tooled into wanting to show how clever and modern they are. It's how they get around privacy legislation. "Oh, but the Pleb allowed us to access their power meter data... and analyze it.. and share it with trusted overseas

partners... who produce commercial intelligence products for the advertising industry.. but we have a Privacy Policy... that they didn't look at.. which allows all this."

https://www.google.com/search?q=app+smartmeter

I can't work out whether you are naive, ignorant, or a shill.

Why would anyone want to turn your power off?

How about to prevent a catastrophic failure to the grid? We already have grids that can't handle the demand in peak times right now, eg. when people get home from work, and turn their aircon on, plug in their evs, both, plus any number of other appliances?

Past example:

Texas 2021 *"During a demand-response event, Smart Savers Texas increases the temperature on participating thermostats by up to 4 degrees to reduce energy consumption and relieve stress on the grid," Erika Diamond, EnergyHub's vice president of customer solutions, told Insider, adding that "the ability to reduce energy consumption is critical to managing the grid, in Texas and nationwide."*

https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-energy-companies-remotely-raised-smart-thermostats-temperatures-2021-6