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Yeah, something needed to be done there. King Carnival was done for. I don't know if the right answer is a brewery but I'm not opposed to progress and development. My only concern is traffic.
>Aren't these the many, the little guys, not "the privileged few"?
I wouldn't go that far, these people are living in $1 million+ houses on the canals. They own businesses too.
Yeah, like it feels like they're saying, hey, if you do this dumb thing, we're not longer fronting up thousands of our own money for a tradition that brings in tens, maybe hundreds of thousands, into the community.
It's their right to stop doing it for any reason they like. And it seems like they're being decent in saying if you do X well stop doing Y that we fund with our own time and money.
Is it really NIMBYism if it's not their backyard?
Technically the site is outside the residential group, right? It'd be like any other residential group saying that they'll stop doing something if 'X' is done down the road.
Yes but also 100+ places to eat in Mandurah, businesses that already cater all of what they’re building and removing Kings carnival while building a pub next to a family area.
The article seemed clear enough, but I'll try and sum it up.
Residents along the river in Halls Head put on massive Christmas light displays over thier homes every year. Which can be seen from the Mandurah foreshore and has become a huge tourist attraction. The Halls Heads residents are threatening to not put Chrismas lights up this year as an act of protest because the Mandurah shire is going ahead with a development the residents believe fucks them over, mostly because of traffic problems.
The Mandurah shire is saying they don't care about what the halls head residents think, and is calling them grinches for threatening to not put Christmas light displays on thier house next Christmas season.
Ahahaha good point. City of Mandurah have proposed a new building where kings carnival is currently. It’s a brewery, chocolate factory and something else I can’t remember. As I’ve said in other comments, Mandurah doesn’t need it. Over 100 places to eat and its location is impactful for traffic. There’s no plans for the traffic in the area increasing and the affected houses are the ones running the Christmas lights for most of Mandurah (not all of them but the vast majority).
City of Mandurah are now running the risk of having a big attraction and charity event being shut off because residents of the area are going to be affected by the proposed (definitely not decided yet even though they’re applying for planning permission /s) venue
Yep - and lots of them go far over and above just putting some lights up.
Some of them had full on entertainment - music, people singing, choirs, and everything else in between.
As you said - just the outlay in the lights alone is significant, let alone the considerable time and effort into installing and maintaining them, plus of course the power to run them.
I've been trying to put my finger on the bit that really bugs me about this, and i think it's the expectation. The expectation that these people should just shut up and invest all their own time and money into putting on the display for us to enjoy and not be vocal about something they think is going to impact them.
Instead of being thankful that they do this, people are on about how dare they ruin my Christmas tradition. It just isn't right.
More so when you think of all the various businesses and people around it who profit directly from it. IE when i went last year - i paid for a boat tour, ate at local restaurants and cafes, and stayed the night at a local hotel.
All of these private businesses and the City of Mandurah directly profit from this event - considerably - so yes i think they're both well within their rights to not put up a display if they don't feel supported by the local community.
Not to mention - all the Xmas stuff asides - they're still rate payers in the city.
So yes - i think it would be sad if they didn't put on the display. But i certainly don't like this attitude in the article that it's just 'expected' because they can afford a nice home on the canals. I imagine - it's an absolute nightmare for some people with all the noise every night for 2 - 3 months of the year, not to mention the lack of privacy or ability to really enjoy your property.
In addition, the plans they're trying to push through that nobody in Halls Head wants, doesn't just negatively impact the "privileged few" - it'll impact all of the residents that have to use that small connecting bridge to get to and from their houses and their jobs. It's already a very badly set up bridge, with only two bridges total connecting that entire area to the rest of Mandurah. Putting a massive brewery there to attract folks, alongside a massive carpark will not only take away the park from dog walkers, children etc, but will also make the already tight junction even more impossible to traverse. The park is for kids, Kings Carnival, and the War Memorial. Not drunkards.
Yeah I don't get why people are complaining
The article says they're not overall concerned about the development, more so the traffic effects for their local area the development will cause.
Seems like a fair thing to be concerned about - traffic around that area can already be a bit of a cluster fuck, i can't imagine additional development, bringing in more people to the area would improve it.
I also will say i haven't read anything about the development to know if they're proposing additional civil works to assist with traffic issues - but i know historically they do the very bare of bare minimum usually.
NIMBYism as a term includes impacts to the wider region. A good example is how rich people have migrated to Margret river and campaigned to stop all future mining in the area, even though they got their money working in mining in the Pilbara.
Is it a good idea to stop mining and logging in the south west, yea probably. Will these people continue to profit by fucking up the environment elsewhere, definitely.
Thank you.
Have you considered a career in writing for Ch 9??
Because in 2 paragraphs, and zero photos, you succinctly explained what I suspected Ch 9 was trying to say but couldn't in a dozen paragraphs, with photos.
You keep calling it “Kings” Carnival which suggests you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
I personally don't buy the whole drunkards thing, so i really have no issue with the concept of a brewery there. I'm of the opinion it can be developed in a way that suits families and actually provides a decent amenity to the area.
I've seen, visited and enjoyed a few similar types of developments - like the one in Busselton for example. Very family friendly, no drunkards or drunkeness issues that i observed. If it's done right, it can easily have nice playgrounds and grassed areas for all to enjoy.
I do however have the issue with the lack of planning around traffic in the area. As you said - it's already an issue, and something like this is likely to make it considerably worse which will affect almost everyone in the area.
Whilst i'm typically pro development, i do think these issues really need to be taken into consideration and planned for. Yes build the brewery, but also yes upgrade the surrounding infrastructure to suit - or modify the proposed plans to suit the infrastructure.
Yeah the traffic is already a nightmare during peak hours of everyday, if there's a fender bender suddenly all of the traffic in the entire area is a standstill, as there's only 2 bridges to leave the area. It is the biggest cluster fuck during events like New Years, people get stuck in traffic trying to leave that park they want to develop on for ages, up to an hour just to leave a small section of road that during no traffic should only take 2 minutes.
There's been no notification to residents that they'll also do civic works to help.
[Allow me to google that one quickly](https://g.co/kgs/ZgYrqbA)
City of Mandurah have pretended traffic isn’t a thing with every development they’ve done. They truely do not care, Perth hugely reliant on cars and City of Mandurah refuses to acknowledge it.
> like the one in Busselton for example. Very family friendly, no drunkards or drunkeness issues that i observed. If it's done right, it can easily have nice playgrounds and grassed areas for all to enjoy.
Ia ssume you are talking about Shelter and that actually sounds almost perfect for the location. My question is how much of an impact would a brewery even have on traffic? It's not like everyone arrives and leaves at the same time.
That's the one..
As to the traffic - good question. I would think any type of development there would attract additional traffic over current levels. Periods like lunch and dinner would likely be busier. Would also be a number of delivery trucks, staff vehicles etc as well.
The current Carnival place seems to only be open weekends.
I just looked it up and strangely enough, the proposal is from Shelter Co. If they are going to replicate the Busso one, I'm all for it.
I find it hard to believe a new brewery would cause traffic problems. This seems much more like the straw that broke the camels back scenario.
I agree, really can't see it having much of an impact on the traffic.
There certainly will be increase in traffic but it will be staggered throughout the entire day.
Hello,
A friend of mine I have known since primary school struggles with alcohol dependence. I am looking for advice on how to help him. I work in IT so I don't have any drug & alcohol training, however, I do remember from some liquor tasting roles I worked in I was required to have my responsible serving of alcohol certificate RSA. All staff that sell, serve or supply alcohol are required to have this. There is legislation that imposes huge fines for selling alcohol to someone that is intoxicated.
He often starts off with one bottle and then goes back and buys more when he is drunk. Once when this happened I was temped to go into the shop and directly remind the staff member about their RSA. While I am not a cop I am absolutely fed up.
I am now thinking this may be my best option to go into the stores and tell them not to supply alcohol to him especially when he is drunk. I have been speaking with another friend (also went to the same PS) and he is at a loss what to do about him too.
I can try speaking to his family. I did have a talk to him about not only his drinking but also explaining why he needs to be more respectful to women. He clearly agreed with me but he was so drunk at the time that he probably doesn't remember the conversation. Perhaps when he is sober we can ask him if he will agree to a kind of "sell ban" like that have for gamblers at the Casino if such a thing exists for alcohol.
Also I want to do something nice for him on fathers day to let him know that we do appreciate him. I bought several meters of blue ribbons from spotlight and want to make a nice gift hamper for him and obviously it will be alcohol free. If possible I would like to consult with his family about making this hamper too.
It might be hard to take this, but you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it.
By all means work with his family and push to get him to speak to a GP regarding addiction. It's a medical issue.
If he refuses to go, your options become limited in what you can do and expect a push back if he finds out you're trying to get him black listed from the local bottle shop.
Not an expert so take any advice with a grain of salt.
The common thing with addiction is they need to want to make a change. It's very difficult if not impossible to do it for them.
Yes you can go talk to the stores, and try to have him banned. But i imagine he will just go to another store, and then another store and so on. He'll likely also be more secretive about it which can also be a bad thing.
Definitely chatting to him when he's sober about his behaviour would be better. Doing it whilst his drunk is kinda pointless - as you said, he's unlikely to remember.
You could certainly also provide him with the resources to get help, his GP could be a good starting point, and there's a range of community based resources.
The old adage applies though - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
The Mental Health commission website has a good list of community alcohol and drug services that may be able to provide support
Have you ever asked him why he drinks so heavily? Have you asked yourself if this is any of your business? I can appreciate you care for him, but the things you are suggesting would likely create a problem in your relationship with him as it might seem like you are trying to sabotage him. Do what you think you have to but be prepared for the potential consequences, you might inadvertently make the situation worse.
Trying to push the responsibility for your friend's addiction onto one of the worst possible minimum wage jobs is ridiculous. Don't do that.
This will be qn odd question but it does come a place of experience:
Have they asked for help in any way before? Particularly igmf it comes with in a specific way?
Ok, some context from experience:
It is only just sayimg "please help me...", it would be like "i would like somethong else to, so would anyone do somethong with me...".
Such as, go to the movies, or go down tbe park for a picnic lunch.
Sometimes it may be a matter of a change in scenary where the onus is not drinking. So no going down to the pub or whatever.
Direct and significant intervention can actually make the problem worse.
He clearly needs dedicated mental health support so keep pushing for them to engage with a therapist. That will be the best way to figure out a plan.
Small steps but at the end of the day.
He can only help himself.
Its like most people in life when they tell you about their problems.
You can give them good advice & push them to the right direction but most of the time they dont take it.
They instead want you to just listen to their problems.
You're a good mate.
You need to understand that no amount of your interference can solve this problem - trying to get a sales ban, going behind his back to his family, is only going to breed resentment. Be prepared to lose a friend if you choose that route.
Unfortunately, the alternatives carry the risk of alienation also, but this way you get to choose.
Either his behaviour is intolerable, which for you to be reaching out like this suggests, and you cut ties. Or, you have a straight up conversation - let him know you're concerned, the reasons why you're concerned, and why you think he should stop. This isn't an opportunity to come up with 101 ways to tell him you can fix him - it's your chance to say your peace and have a guilt-free conscience.
If you choose the latter, you need to fully understand only he can solve the problem, but you can be there for support. Don't engage with him in anyway that contributes to his problem, you have drawn your line in the sand and as long as you stay on that side of the line you're safe. The moment you become heavily invested in the outcome is the moment you start drowning too. You can be frustrated, or angry but that's on you since you chose this path, remember you don't shake the baby.
People in this predicament will slowly burn every bridge around them and blame you for playing with fire - not many have the capacity to stick it out because it's exhausting, but again if that's the path you want to take, safeguard yourself first - there's every possibility you could be there at just the right time to have that one conversation he needs to have a shift in perspective, but there's equal opportunity that nothing will ever come of it and you'll watch your friend continue to sabotage himself.
Source: 3 years sober
Unless they want help you can't help, all you can do is be there for them while not being an enabler of their addiction. Good luck
Let us all know the secret if you do because it's a pretty much impossible task unless they make the decision themselves
Can I ask if you actually know how much he drinks and how often? What ages are you and your friend?
In your comments, you seem to come off as introverted and perhaps a little bit sheltered. MAYBE (probably not, though tbf) he gets pissed on the weekends and drunk calls you as a regular 21yo might do and it worries you. Perhaps you both are in your 30s or 40s and your friend guzzles vodka from the time he wakes up til the time he goes to bed.
Does your friend hold a steady job? Does he have children? Are any of his other friends or family concerned about his behaviour? What I'm getting at is that you're saying your mate has an issue, but what examples can you give aside from him drinking a bottle a drunk-calling you? How often does this happen?
You're heart is in the right place, but you've left out too much info for internet strangers to give you sound advice based on the circumstances.
I feel your concerns, I have a mate in a similar situation. You don’t mention whether you have spoken to him while he is sober though. He may not be receptive but if he knows you are on his side for when he is ready to give up it will help. He should probably be made aware that his behaviour isn’t acceptable…, I think that some people who have been drinking since they were teenagers haven’t realised that it is time to grow up.
I have a friend who is an alcoholic. He had a bad turn a few years ago, and I offered to match him day for day for as long as he could stay off alcohol. We lasted about 9 months, although he didn't stay dry, he has never gone back to drinking quite the same as before. Maybe consider this approach.
There is no helping them, they have to want to help themselves.
Alcoholics Anonymous is great and there are meetings everywhere. There is a central number you can call.
If a person has an alcohol dependency it can be dangerous even life threatening to give up cold turkey (Google Delerium Tremens). If you want him to quit get him to a GP. Check out Next Step for resources.
You’re a great friend

Yeah, something needed to be done there. King Carnival was done for. I don't know if the right answer is a brewery but I'm not opposed to progress and development. My only concern is traffic.

>Aren't these the many, the little guys, not "the privileged few"?

I wouldn't go that far, these people are living in $1 million+ houses on the canals. They own businesses too.

Yeah, like it feels like they're saying, hey, if you do this dumb thing, we're not longer fronting up thousands of our own money for a tradition that brings in tens, maybe hundreds of thousands, into the community.

It's their right to stop doing it for any reason they like. And it seems like they're being decent in saying if you do X well stop doing Y that we fund with our own time and money.

Is it really NIMBYism if it's not their backyard?

Technically the site is outside the residential group, right? It'd be like any other residential group saying that they'll stop doing something if 'X' is done down the road.

Yes but also 100+ places to eat in Mandurah, businesses that already cater all of what they’re building and removing Kings carnival while building a pub next to a family area.

The article seemed clear enough, but I'll try and sum it up.

Residents along the river in Halls Head put on massive Christmas light displays over thier homes every year. Which can be seen from the Mandurah foreshore and has become a huge tourist attraction. The Halls Heads residents are threatening to not put Chrismas lights up this year as an act of protest because the Mandurah shire is going ahead with a development the residents believe fucks them over, mostly because of traffic problems.

The Mandurah shire is saying they don't care about what the halls head residents think, and is calling them grinches for threatening to not put Christmas light displays on thier house next Christmas season.

Ahahaha good point. City of Mandurah have proposed a new building where kings carnival is currently. It’s a brewery, chocolate factory and something else I can’t remember. As I’ve said in other comments, Mandurah doesn’t need it. Over 100 places to eat and its location is impactful for traffic. There’s no plans for the traffic in the area increasing and the affected houses are the ones running the Christmas lights for most of Mandurah (not all of them but the vast majority).

City of Mandurah are now running the risk of having a big attraction and charity event being shut off because residents of the area are going to be affected by the proposed (definitely not decided yet even though they’re applying for planning permission /s) venue

Yep - and lots of them go far over and above just putting some lights up.

Some of them had full on entertainment - music, people singing, choirs, and everything else in between.

As you said - just the outlay in the lights alone is significant, let alone the considerable time and effort into installing and maintaining them, plus of course the power to run them.

I've been trying to put my finger on the bit that really bugs me about this, and i think it's the expectation. The expectation that these people should just shut up and invest all their own time and money into putting on the display for us to enjoy and not be vocal about something they think is going to impact them.

Instead of being thankful that they do this, people are on about how dare they ruin my Christmas tradition. It just isn't right.

More so when you think of all the various businesses and people around it who profit directly from it. IE when i went last year - i paid for a boat tour, ate at local restaurants and cafes, and stayed the night at a local hotel.

All of these private businesses and the City of Mandurah directly profit from this event - considerably - so yes i think they're both well within their rights to not put up a display if they don't feel supported by the local community.

Not to mention - all the Xmas stuff asides - they're still rate payers in the city.

So yes - i think it would be sad if they didn't put on the display. But i certainly don't like this attitude in the article that it's just 'expected' because they can afford a nice home on the canals. I imagine - it's an absolute nightmare for some people with all the noise every night for 2 - 3 months of the year, not to mention the lack of privacy or ability to really enjoy your property.

In addition, the plans they're trying to push through that nobody in Halls Head wants, doesn't just negatively impact the "privileged few" - it'll impact all of the residents that have to use that small connecting bridge to get to and from their houses and their jobs. It's already a very badly set up bridge, with only two bridges total connecting that entire area to the rest of Mandurah. Putting a massive brewery there to attract folks, alongside a massive carpark will not only take away the park from dog walkers, children etc, but will also make the already tight junction even more impossible to traverse. The park is for kids, Kings Carnival, and the War Memorial. Not drunkards.

Yeah I don't get why people are complaining

The article says they're not overall concerned about the development, more so the traffic effects for their local area the development will cause.

Seems like a fair thing to be concerned about - traffic around that area can already be a bit of a cluster fuck, i can't imagine additional development, bringing in more people to the area would improve it.

I also will say i haven't read anything about the development to know if they're proposing additional civil works to assist with traffic issues - but i know historically they do the very bare of bare minimum usually.

NIMBYism as a term includes impacts to the wider region. A good example is how rich people have migrated to Margret river and campaigned to stop all future mining in the area, even though they got their money working in mining in the Pilbara.

Is it a good idea to stop mining and logging in the south west, yea probably. Will these people continue to profit by fucking up the environment elsewhere, definitely.

Thank you.

Have you considered a career in writing for Ch 9??

Because in 2 paragraphs, and zero photos, you succinctly explained what I suspected Ch 9 was trying to say but couldn't in a dozen paragraphs, with photos.

You keep calling it “Kings” Carnival which suggests you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.

I personally don't buy the whole drunkards thing, so i really have no issue with the concept of a brewery there. I'm of the opinion it can be developed in a way that suits families and actually provides a decent amenity to the area.

I've seen, visited and enjoyed a few similar types of developments - like the one in Busselton for example. Very family friendly, no drunkards or drunkeness issues that i observed. If it's done right, it can easily have nice playgrounds and grassed areas for all to enjoy.

I do however have the issue with the lack of planning around traffic in the area. As you said - it's already an issue, and something like this is likely to make it considerably worse which will affect almost everyone in the area.

Whilst i'm typically pro development, i do think these issues really need to be taken into consideration and planned for. Yes build the brewery, but also yes upgrade the surrounding infrastructure to suit - or modify the proposed plans to suit the infrastructure.

Yeah the traffic is already a nightmare during peak hours of everyday, if there's a fender bender suddenly all of the traffic in the entire area is a standstill, as there's only 2 bridges to leave the area. It is the biggest cluster fuck during events like New Years, people get stuck in traffic trying to leave that park they want to develop on for ages, up to an hour just to leave a small section of road that during no traffic should only take 2 minutes.

There's been no notification to residents that they'll also do civic works to help.

[Allow me to google that one quickly](https://g.co/kgs/ZgYrqbA)

City of Mandurah have pretended traffic isn’t a thing with every development they’ve done. They truely do not care, Perth hugely reliant on cars and City of Mandurah refuses to acknowledge it.

> like the one in Busselton for example. Very family friendly, no drunkards or drunkeness issues that i observed. If it's done right, it can easily have nice playgrounds and grassed areas for all to enjoy.

Ia ssume you are talking about Shelter and that actually sounds almost perfect for the location. My question is how much of an impact would a brewery even have on traffic? It's not like everyone arrives and leaves at the same time.

That's the one..

As to the traffic - good question. I would think any type of development there would attract additional traffic over current levels. Periods like lunch and dinner would likely be busier. Would also be a number of delivery trucks, staff vehicles etc as well.

The current Carnival place seems to only be open weekends.

I just looked it up and strangely enough, the proposal is from Shelter Co. If they are going to replicate the Busso one, I'm all for it.

I find it hard to believe a new brewery would cause traffic problems. This seems much more like the straw that broke the camels back scenario.

I agree, really can't see it having much of an impact on the traffic.

There certainly will be increase in traffic but it will be staggered throughout the entire day.

Hello,

A friend of mine I have known since primary school struggles with alcohol dependence. I am looking for advice on how to help him. I work in IT so I don't have any drug & alcohol training, however, I do remember from some liquor tasting roles I worked in I was required to have my responsible serving of alcohol certificate RSA. All staff that sell, serve or supply alcohol are required to have this. There is legislation that imposes huge fines for selling alcohol to someone that is intoxicated.

He often starts off with one bottle and then goes back and buys more when he is drunk. Once when this happened I was temped to go into the shop and directly remind the staff member about their RSA. While I am not a cop I am absolutely fed up.

I am now thinking this may be my best option to go into the stores and tell them not to supply alcohol to him especially when he is drunk. I have been speaking with another friend (also went to the same PS) and he is at a loss what to do about him too.

I can try speaking to his family. I did have a talk to him about not only his drinking but also explaining why he needs to be more respectful to women. He clearly agreed with me but he was so drunk at the time that he probably doesn't remember the conversation. Perhaps when he is sober we can ask him if he will agree to a kind of "sell ban" like that have for gamblers at the Casino if such a thing exists for alcohol.

Also I want to do something nice for him on fathers day to let him know that we do appreciate him. I bought several meters of blue ribbons from spotlight and want to make a nice gift hamper for him and obviously it will be alcohol free. If possible I would like to consult with his family about making this hamper too.

It might be hard to take this, but you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it.

By all means work with his family and push to get him to speak to a GP regarding addiction. It's a medical issue.

If he refuses to go, your options become limited in what you can do and expect a push back if he finds out you're trying to get him black listed from the local bottle shop.

Not an expert so take any advice with a grain of salt.

The common thing with addiction is they need to want to make a change. It's very difficult if not impossible to do it for them.

Yes you can go talk to the stores, and try to have him banned. But i imagine he will just go to another store, and then another store and so on. He'll likely also be more secretive about it which can also be a bad thing.

Definitely chatting to him when he's sober about his behaviour would be better. Doing it whilst his drunk is kinda pointless - as you said, he's unlikely to remember.

You could certainly also provide him with the resources to get help, his GP could be a good starting point, and there's a range of community based resources.

The old adage applies though - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

The Mental Health commission website has a good list of community alcohol and drug services that may be able to provide support

Have you ever asked him why he drinks so heavily? Have you asked yourself if this is any of your business? I can appreciate you care for him, but the things you are suggesting would likely create a problem in your relationship with him as it might seem like you are trying to sabotage him. Do what you think you have to but be prepared for the potential consequences, you might inadvertently make the situation worse.

Trying to push the responsibility for your friend's addiction onto one of the worst possible minimum wage jobs is ridiculous. Don't do that.

This will be qn odd question but it does come a place of experience:

Have they asked for help in any way before? Particularly igmf it comes with in a specific way?

Ok, some context from experience:

It is only just sayimg "please help me...", it would be like "i would like somethong else to, so would anyone do somethong with me...".

Such as, go to the movies, or go down tbe park for a picnic lunch.

Sometimes it may be a matter of a change in scenary where the onus is not drinking. So no going down to the pub or whatever.

Direct and significant intervention can actually make the problem worse.

He clearly needs dedicated mental health support so keep pushing for them to engage with a therapist. That will be the best way to figure out a plan.

Small steps but at the end of the day.

He can only help himself.

Its like most people in life when they tell you about their problems.

You can give them good advice & push them to the right direction but most of the time they dont take it.

They instead want you to just listen to their problems.

You're a good mate.

You need to understand that no amount of your interference can solve this problem - trying to get a sales ban, going behind his back to his family, is only going to breed resentment. Be prepared to lose a friend if you choose that route.

Unfortunately, the alternatives carry the risk of alienation also, but this way you get to choose.

Either his behaviour is intolerable, which for you to be reaching out like this suggests, and you cut ties. Or, you have a straight up conversation - let him know you're concerned, the reasons why you're concerned, and why you think he should stop. This isn't an opportunity to come up with 101 ways to tell him you can fix him - it's your chance to say your peace and have a guilt-free conscience.

If you choose the latter, you need to fully understand only he can solve the problem, but you can be there for support. Don't engage with him in anyway that contributes to his problem, you have drawn your line in the sand and as long as you stay on that side of the line you're safe. The moment you become heavily invested in the outcome is the moment you start drowning too. You can be frustrated, or angry but that's on you since you chose this path, remember you don't shake the baby.

People in this predicament will slowly burn every bridge around them and blame you for playing with fire - not many have the capacity to stick it out because it's exhausting, but again if that's the path you want to take, safeguard yourself first - there's every possibility you could be there at just the right time to have that one conversation he needs to have a shift in perspective, but there's equal opportunity that nothing will ever come of it and you'll watch your friend continue to sabotage himself.

Source: 3 years sober

Unless they want help you can't help, all you can do is be there for them while not being an enabler of their addiction. Good luck

Let us all know the secret if you do because it's a pretty much impossible task unless they make the decision themselves

Can I ask if you actually know how much he drinks and how often? What ages are you and your friend?

In your comments, you seem to come off as introverted and perhaps a little bit sheltered. MAYBE (probably not, though tbf) he gets pissed on the weekends and drunk calls you as a regular 21yo might do and it worries you. Perhaps you both are in your 30s or 40s and your friend guzzles vodka from the time he wakes up til the time he goes to bed.

Does your friend hold a steady job? Does he have children? Are any of his other friends or family concerned about his behaviour? What I'm getting at is that you're saying your mate has an issue, but what examples can you give aside from him drinking a bottle a drunk-calling you? How often does this happen?

You're heart is in the right place, but you've left out too much info for internet strangers to give you sound advice based on the circumstances.

I feel your concerns, I have a mate in a similar situation. You don’t mention whether you have spoken to him while he is sober though. He may not be receptive but if he knows you are on his side for when he is ready to give up it will help. He should probably be made aware that his behaviour isn’t acceptable…, I think that some people who have been drinking since they were teenagers haven’t realised that it is time to grow up.

I have a friend who is an alcoholic. He had a bad turn a few years ago, and I offered to match him day for day for as long as he could stay off alcohol. We lasted about 9 months, although he didn't stay dry, he has never gone back to drinking quite the same as before. Maybe consider this approach.

There is no helping them, they have to want to help themselves.

Alcoholics Anonymous is great and there are meetings everywhere. There is a central number you can call.

If a person has an alcohol dependency it can be dangerous even life threatening to give up cold turkey (Google Delerium Tremens). If you want him to quit get him to a GP. Check out Next Step for resources.

You’re a great friend