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Actual police on the road. Speeding is just one infraction, red light and speed cameras don't catch people tailgating, doing u-turns at traffic lights, inattention, not giving way to pedestrians, etc. You need actual human beings monitoring this stuff.
Unfortunately there isn't a police department in Australia that isn't struggling to recruit and keep staff, there is a massive resource issue.
Ah guess I should have done some research before I commented
Sad thing in a democracy is that people like you vote
Really? I’ve only ever seen people do the right thing when there’s an emergency vehicle coming
RTA was only traffic, highly visible, no other duties.
As new driver in the 80s, at night, if I saw that single light coming up behind me 90% of the time it was the RTA motorbike. The RTA was highly visible on the roads 24/7.
Never in plain vehicle.
I don’t know how anyone read my comment as anything but sarcastic lmao.
I think that isn’t there point, they mention the autobahn as a negative point to disprove that Australia’s speeding fines are helpful. They are saying speed limits don’t work, look at Germany they have unlimited speed limits and there accident rates are lower. In contrast Germany have much better driver education initiatives then australia which shows that over the top speeding fines don’t reduce accidents, driver education does
Correct, because I’m not a moron.
Problem is giving police the ability to do this will no doubt result in them doing it in error when they mistakenly judge you for holding your phone when you aren’t
Yup pretty solid evidence of not using your phone if it is in your pocket/bag.
Those are only for people who lost their licence for drink driving. Very strange exception to make.
If there was a growing trend of people looking at their birth certificate while driving you might have a point.
What a moronic comparison.
Their comment starts with "I don't necessarily support confiscating phones", so I'm not sure why you're arguing as if they do support it?
They're not really comparable for several reasons, so I don't think you can make the same argument.
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It's the government's job to make roads safer.
What’s funny? Are you ok mate?
So?
Yes. So if there are repeat offenders then that high cost isn't a deterant.
Using a mobile while driving is $500. Doing something like sending a text message or watching a video while driving is $1000.
Brother you sound senile lmao
Okay let me rephrase my question. Say we got rid of all fixed/mobile/hidden speed cameras, do you think the amount of speeding would stay the same?
Edit: downvoted with no response what a surprise. How's that saying go? Common sense ain't so common? lol
It is legal to touch your phone if it's mounted in a phone holder though.
Absolutely SLAMMED by the outrage
Urgh I always wondered why William Street was one way, until they made it two-way. Its impossible to get out of Northbridge on a Friday or Saturday night after about 5.30pm.
Yeah I was in the vollys for years when I lived in the country. During seeding and harvest and can be worse cause everyone is out in a tractor or header or might be in a truck in the que at CBH and doesn't have a car and can't park a road train in town. Also important to remember if you ring and ask for an ambulance to a accident and ambulance is all you will get. I've been to many an accident where we have shown up two or so hours later because no one asked for fireys and ambos have rocked up to someone needing cut out the car.
If you ring for an ambulance tell the people to send vehicle rescue too.and police so someone can help control the scene.
I remember one I went to where a coaster bus pulled out in front of someone doing 110 down the hwy, anyway had stopped traffic and chopper was landing in the intersection as it was cut out of a hill and was easiest spot. Some Karen started arguing with me saying that they should make the chopper hover there for a minute and let all the cars through as they had been waiting ages. Another time I had some dickhead try and hit me, then cried cause he hurt his hand. Cunt I'm wearing a structural fire fighting helmet what did you think was gonna happen, I also hit him back and the local copper pepper sprayed him cause he was being a fuckwit and none of us where in the mood
Our car market is subject to the same size-inflation present in the US.
Hilux/Rangers/D-Max/Patrols/etcetera are bigger and [more popular than ever](https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/cars/australian-new-car-sales-2023.html). The US 'trucks' like RAM/F150/similar are being marketed directly here now also.
It doesn't matter how much 'tech' you have, it can't side-step physics
* Brakes can only remove as much energy from the vehicle per second, so heavier cars take longer to stop.
* if your vehicles centre of gravity is 30cm higher your car will roll more easily in a collision or making an evasive manoeuvre.
* If the leading edge of your car is 50cm high you will impact a pedestrian above their waist and run them down instead of their knees/thighs causing 'only' injury.
Besides which; any of this 'tech' is also available for smaller cars, so it's still a trade off of improved safety defeated by bigger and heavier cars.
Just the tip?
That's how it reduces congestion. Everyone is closer together, so more traffic gets through bottlenecks. It's simple really. Same reason the standing side of escalators can carry more people.
U-turns could 100% be automated, failure to give way to pedestrians probably could be too at intersections. They just need to do it and accept that it won't be perfect. Set the sensitivity low and flag all for human review, raise the sensitivity as confidence grows or technology improves.
Plenty possible to identify tailgating in camera/video too.
I suspect it's more to do with legislature than technical feasibility to improve automated traffic monitoring. Speed is through, it's easy to double down on. Someone would have to work hard to approve more complex issues.
We are dealing with a systematic problem.
From the top down there isn't enough funding on top of a growing population who can easily just convert their international licence, who aren't fully educated in our road laws and regulations etc.
It all needs a huge overhaul but politicians are.too.lazy and scared to enact that
Licence registration and phone please.
And hot mums can u stop wearing those yoga pants they are distracting.
Fear not - I don't bother. Best of luck out there on the roads!
There is plenty of time to put your phone in your pocket as the cop exists their vehicle, so it's not proof at all. If the cop says you were using your phone, too bad, you lose it until they decide to return it.
How so? Phones aren't just phones anymore, they hold copious amounts of PII.
Like what reasons ? I'd much rather have to replace my passport than my phone, even if the cost in dollars was the same.
I left Canada for that BS. I hope Australians are smarter and don't allow that crap here.
My eyes hurt from rolling them too hard. I think you owe me compensation.
To be fair, you’re not smart at all.
Making the roads "safer" does not need to involve confiscating private property. Phones are critical to modern life and also store sensitive personal data. Imagine a mother having her phone taken away by some power tripping cop and is unable to call her children or her workplace. Phones are needed for 2FA banking as well.
It's 4 demerits, you can only repeat offend twice before your licence is gone and I somehow don't think serial mobile phone users don't already have some demerits from other offences
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[Only if the purpose is to begin or end a voice call, or accept a job for an on-demand service. ](https://www.legalaid.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/inline-files/Infosheet-Mobile-phones-visual-display-units-and-driving.pdf)
And none of that has anything to do with country roads
“It’s simple really”. Proceeds to describe a situation almost everyone else would say would be a problem on our roads.
Bumper to bumper creates worse congestion because there is less space to slow down so when someone at the front has to slow down a bit, everyone has to slam there brakes on so what could’ve been everyone slows down becomes and everyone slams there brakes and comes to a stop
At the risk of being a Neddy nit picker, the only countries who can do a direct swap with their licences are places like the UK, Ireland, Canada, the US, Western Europe, and possibly Japan. From memory there is a language test to ensure they can understand the signs and away they go.
All other nations have varying degrees of assessments.
The issue we have is that those on student visas don’t need to get a WA drivers licence. They can get by on an international licence.
Yep, same with most things provided by the government, critically underfunded. Low and middle class battling to stay afloat, gee, I wonder where we can get more taxes to sustain these public services? shrug
It isn't as if immigration just started yesterday though. So really there's no excuse that, in 2024, something hasn't been done about this. Government finger-pointing isn't 'something'.
Thanks brother. I figured as much.
If you're really worried about it then keep the phone in the boot of the car.
You should already have a backup MFA method or a straightforward reset path (e.g. IT staff), so the core argument isn't strong.
You're unlikely to be pulled over for reading your passport.
Your passport is an identity document that is government issued and may be considered more of a right, as well as restricting travel if you lose access to it.
Passport replacement should involve a stricter ID proof.
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It does not NEED to involve anything. A mother who loses their licence can't pick their child up from school or drive to work, do we NEED to take licences away to make roads "safer?"
I don't sound youthful, I sound like I can string a sentence together cogently and read over what I've typed to check for obvious typos. Your written communication is fucking terrible and your reading comprehension doesn't seem much better.
I've been in crashes.
People on phones running intersections or changing lanes without looking. Getting rear-ended and the classic 'Sorry mate, I didn't see you!'
I've also seen friends and family die on bikes and in car crashes - because of incompetent fuckwits speeding, looking at phones or not having the brain cells to run together to be able to manage maintaining a steady speed under the speed limit.
We're in agreement, people make the roads fucking dangerous and whether you're in a car or on a bike the only way to survive is to keep your head on a swivel.
But your first message was gibberish with really weird statements like 'amber means speed up' and 'you can't stop an accident by braking'.
I realise now that your literacy level is too low to express what you're actually trying to say, so I apologise for that.
But I'm still trying to figure out what you mean with the whole 'looking at the speedometer too much'
I've been driving and riding for 20+ years at this point. At no point in that time have I found it to be an issue to maintain a constant speed that doesn't exceed the speed limit without having to 'constantly think about' my speed or 'constantly look at my speedo'.
Modern cars have cruise control. You get within 5 or 10 k's of the limit, and you put on cruise control. Done. Speed is locked, basically.
If you don't have cruise control or you're on a bike, within a few hours of driving an unfamiliar vehicle an experienced driver should know what amount of throttle or accelerator pressure in what gear puts them at the desired speed.
I'm sick of bad drivers trying to argue against stuff like speed cameras or any other kind of enforcement. You morons bust out random arguments like 'oh it's more dangerous to have speed cameras because people look at their speedometer!' and 'slow drivers are actually more dangerous because it makes people who want to go faster do dumb things!'
If you've really been riding and driving for 45 years with no accident but feel like you are being impaired by having to look at the speedo once in a while then I think you have gotten very, very lucky. Because you sound incompetent.
You think that heavier cars with worse stopping distances, and poorer handling characteristics, driven by demographically less competent drivers who bought them for a false sense of safety, has nothing to do with predominantly single-vehicle accidents on country roads?
Does it being a problem prevent it being simple?
Yeah which is fucked.
If they are here longer than 3 months they need to get an Australian Licence.
I believe this is how South Australia and Victoria handles this.
They can't just sit with an international licence and live here for years.
I think:
Temp visas from most joints can drive here.
Ironically after they have been here a few years and get permanent residency they then must get a local license.
We shouldn't have to hide out possessions from the cops, lest they take them away as a power trip.

Actual police on the road. Speeding is just one infraction, red light and speed cameras don't catch people tailgating, doing u-turns at traffic lights, inattention, not giving way to pedestrians, etc. You need actual human beings monitoring this stuff.

Unfortunately there isn't a police department in Australia that isn't struggling to recruit and keep staff, there is a massive resource issue.

Ah guess I should have done some research before I commented

Sad thing in a democracy is that people like you vote

Really? I’ve only ever seen people do the right thing when there’s an emergency vehicle coming

RTA was only traffic, highly visible, no other duties.

As new driver in the 80s, at night, if I saw that single light coming up behind me 90% of the time it was the RTA motorbike. The RTA was highly visible on the roads 24/7.

Never in plain vehicle.

I don’t know how anyone read my comment as anything but sarcastic lmao.

I think that isn’t there point, they mention the autobahn as a negative point to disprove that Australia’s speeding fines are helpful. They are saying speed limits don’t work, look at Germany they have unlimited speed limits and there accident rates are lower. In contrast Germany have much better driver education initiatives then australia which shows that over the top speeding fines don’t reduce accidents, driver education does

Correct, because I’m not a moron.

Problem is giving police the ability to do this will no doubt result in them doing it in error when they mistakenly judge you for holding your phone when you aren’t

Yup pretty solid evidence of not using your phone if it is in your pocket/bag.

Those are only for people who lost their licence for drink driving. Very strange exception to make.

If there was a growing trend of people looking at their birth certificate while driving you might have a point.

What a moronic comparison.

Their comment starts with "I don't necessarily support confiscating phones", so I'm not sure why you're arguing as if they *do* support it?

They're not really comparable for several reasons, so I don't think you can make the same argument.

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It's the government's job to make roads safer.

What’s funny? Are you ok mate?

So?

Yes. So if there are repeat offenders then that high cost isn't a deterant.

Using a mobile while driving is $500. Doing something like sending a text message or watching a video while driving is $1000.

Brother you sound senile lmao

Okay let me rephrase my question. Say we got rid of all fixed/mobile/hidden speed cameras, do you think the amount of speeding would stay the same?

Edit: downvoted with no response what a surprise. How's that saying go? Common sense ain't so common? lol

It is legal to touch your phone if it's mounted in a phone holder though.

Absolutely *SLAMMED* by the outrage

Urgh I always wondered why William Street was one way, until they made it two-way. Its *impossible* to get out of Northbridge on a Friday or Saturday night after about 5.30pm.

Yeah I was in the vollys for years when I lived in the country. During seeding and harvest and can be worse cause everyone is out in a tractor or header or might be in a truck in the que at CBH and doesn't have a car and can't park a road train in town. Also important to remember if you ring and ask for an ambulance to a accident and ambulance is all you will get. I've been to many an accident where we have shown up two or so hours later because no one asked for fireys and ambos have rocked up to someone needing cut out the car.

If you ring for an ambulance tell the people to send vehicle rescue too.and police so someone can help control the scene.

I remember one I went to where a coaster bus pulled out in front of someone doing 110 down the hwy, anyway had stopped traffic and chopper was landing in the intersection as it was cut out of a hill and was easiest spot. Some Karen started arguing with me saying that they should make the chopper hover there for a minute and let all the cars through as they had been waiting ages. Another time I had some dickhead try and hit me, then cried cause he hurt his hand. Cunt I'm wearing a structural fire fighting helmet what did you think was gonna happen, I also hit him back and the local copper pepper sprayed him cause he was being a fuckwit and none of us where in the mood

Our car market is subject to the same size-inflation present in the US.

Hilux/Rangers/D-Max/Patrols/etcetera are bigger and [more popular than ever](https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/cars/australian-new-car-sales-2023.html). The US 'trucks' like RAM/F150/similar are being marketed directly here now also.

It doesn't matter how much 'tech' you have, it can't side-step physics

* Brakes can only remove as much energy from the vehicle per second, so heavier cars take longer to stop.

* if your vehicles centre of gravity is 30cm higher your car will roll more easily in a collision or making an evasive manoeuvre.

* If the leading edge of your car is 50cm high you will impact a pedestrian above their waist and run them down instead of their knees/thighs causing 'only' injury.

Besides which; any of this 'tech' is also available for smaller cars, so it's still a trade off of improved safety defeated by bigger and heavier cars.

Just the tip?

That's how it reduces congestion. Everyone is closer together, so more traffic gets through bottlenecks. It's simple really. Same reason the standing side of escalators can carry more people.

U-turns could 100% be automated, failure to give way to pedestrians probably could be too at intersections. They just need to do it and accept that it won't be perfect. Set the sensitivity low and flag all for human review, raise the sensitivity as confidence grows or technology improves.

Plenty possible to identify tailgating in camera/video too.

I suspect it's more to do with legislature than technical feasibility to improve automated traffic monitoring. Speed is through, it's easy to double down on. Someone would have to work hard to approve more complex issues.

We are dealing with a systematic problem.

From the top down there isn't enough funding on top of a growing population who can easily just convert their international licence, who aren't fully educated in our road laws and regulations etc.

It all needs a huge overhaul but politicians are.too.lazy and scared to enact that

Licence registration and phone please.

And hot mums can u stop wearing those yoga pants they are distracting.

Fear not - I don't bother. Best of luck out there on the roads!

There is plenty of time to put your phone in your pocket as the cop exists their vehicle, so it's not proof at all. If the cop says you were using your phone, too bad, you lose it until they decide to return it.

How so? Phones aren't just phones anymore, they hold copious amounts of PII.

Like what reasons ? I'd much rather have to replace my passport than my phone, even if the cost in dollars was the same.

I left Canada for that BS. I hope Australians are smarter and don't allow that crap here.

My eyes hurt from rolling them too hard. I think you owe me compensation.

To be fair, you’re not smart at all.

Making the roads "safer" does not need to involve confiscating private property. Phones are critical to modern life and also store sensitive personal data. Imagine a mother having her phone taken away by some power tripping cop and is unable to call her children or her workplace. Phones are needed for 2FA banking as well.

It's 4 demerits, you can only repeat offend twice before your licence is gone and I somehow don't think serial mobile phone users don't already have some demerits from other offences

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[Only if the purpose is to begin or end a voice call, or accept a job for an on-demand service. ](https://www.legalaid.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/inline-files/Infosheet-Mobile-phones-visual-display-units-and-driving.pdf)

And none of that has anything to do with country roads

“It’s simple really”. Proceeds to describe a situation almost everyone else would say would be a problem on our roads.

Bumper to bumper creates worse congestion because there is less space to slow down so when someone at the front has to slow down a bit, everyone has to slam there brakes on so what could’ve been everyone slows down becomes and everyone slams there brakes and comes to a stop

At the risk of being a Neddy nit picker, the only countries who can do a direct swap with their licences are places like the UK, Ireland, Canada, the US, Western Europe, and possibly Japan. From memory there is a language test to ensure they can understand the signs and away they go.

All other nations have varying degrees of assessments.

The issue we have is that those on student visas don’t need to get a WA drivers licence. They can get by on an international licence.

Yep, same with most things provided by the government, critically underfunded. Low and middle class battling to stay afloat, gee, I wonder where we can get more taxes to sustain these public services? *shrug*

It isn't as if immigration just started yesterday though. So really there's no excuse that, in 2024, something hasn't been done about this. Government finger-pointing isn't 'something'.

Thanks brother. I figured as much.

If you're really worried about it then keep the phone in the boot of the car.

You should already have a backup MFA method or a straightforward reset path (e.g. IT staff), so the core argument isn't strong.

You're unlikely to be pulled over for reading your passport.

Your passport is an identity document that is government issued and may be considered more of a right, as well as restricting travel if you lose access to it.

Passport replacement should involve a stricter ID proof.

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It does not NEED to involve anything. A mother who loses their licence can't pick their child up from school or drive to work, do we NEED to take licences away to make roads "safer?"

I don't sound youthful, I sound like I can string a sentence together cogently and read over what I've typed to check for obvious typos. Your written communication is fucking terrible and your reading comprehension doesn't seem much better.

I've been in crashes.

People on phones running intersections or changing lanes without looking. Getting rear-ended and the classic 'Sorry mate, I didn't see you!'

I've also seen friends and family die on bikes and in car crashes - because of incompetent fuckwits speeding, looking at phones or not having the brain cells to run together to be able to manage maintaining a steady speed under the speed limit.

We're in agreement, people make the roads fucking dangerous and whether you're in a car or on a bike the only way to survive is to keep your head on a swivel.

But your first message was gibberish with really weird statements like 'amber means speed up' and 'you can't stop an accident by braking'.

I realise now that your literacy level is too low to express what you're actually trying to say, so I apologise for that.

But I'm still trying to figure out what you mean with the whole 'looking at the speedometer too much'

I've been driving and riding for 20+ years at this point. At no point in that time have I found it to be an issue to maintain a constant speed that doesn't exceed the speed limit without having to 'constantly think about' my speed or 'constantly look at my speedo'.

Modern cars have cruise control. You get within 5 or 10 k's of the *limit*, and you put on cruise control. Done. Speed is locked, basically.

If you don't have cruise control or you're on a bike, within a few hours of driving an unfamiliar vehicle an experienced driver should know what amount of throttle or accelerator pressure in what gear puts them at the desired speed.

I'm sick of bad drivers trying to argue against stuff like speed cameras or any other kind of enforcement. You morons bust out random arguments like 'oh it's more dangerous to have speed cameras because people look at their speedometer!' and 'slow drivers are actually more dangerous because it makes people who want to go faster do dumb things!'

If you've really been riding and driving for 45 years with no accident but feel like you are being impaired by having to look at the speedo once in a while then I think you have gotten very, very lucky. Because you sound incompetent.

You think that heavier cars with worse stopping distances, and poorer handling characteristics, driven by demographically less competent drivers who bought them for a false sense of safety, has *nothing* to do with predominantly single-vehicle accidents on country roads?

Does it being a problem prevent it being simple?

Yeah which is fucked.

If they are here longer than 3 months they need to get an Australian Licence.

I believe this is how South Australia and Victoria handles this.

They can't just sit with an international licence and live here for years.

I think:

Temp visas from most joints can drive here.

Ironically after they have been here a few years and get permanent residency they then must get a local license.

We shouldn't have to hide out possessions from the cops, lest they take them away as a power trip.