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Two of the last three were overloaded cars with people occupying a seat or space without a seatbelt
This is common for some demographics however I know this will never be addressed. Likewise for tourists on Indian Ocean drive.
It’s easier to blanket the whole population knowing that they are unlikely to be at fault
You can have as many knee jerk reactions and meetings however until there is an honest discussion what’s the point.
In the early 2020’s I did a lot of driving between Esperance & Perth, Esperance to Albany, Perth to Albany. These journeys included a wide range of roads & conditions. Far too many drivers just don’t give a shit about the speed limit, road conditions, or fellow drivers. The crazy risky driving behaviour, the near misses, so fucking mad. The craziest?
Driving to Perth I had to detour via Kulin-Lake Grace Road following a heavy rain event. I’m towing a trailer, the speed limit is reduced, sings warning about a soft shoulder. Then there is ute driver kook trying to bully me, fuck off. Im not risking my life. The only time I drove on the shoulder was on a hill. It’s a single lane road, on a hill obviously the shoulder is not water logged. And a vehicle appeared over the hill. Not far to go to the T-junction I looked in the rear view mirror? No ute? Looked in the side mirror, the fuckwit was doing circle work in the road reserve. Fucking nuts. Following a left turn at the junction. Ute driver puts the foot down. Dying or killing on the road is about personal behaviour and responsibility.
The Albany is the worst, this is a major road, too many changes of lanes and speed limits. And too many kooks and deranged driving behaviour. Fix it.
People in regional are volunteers and usually farmers and such. So if you cash 40km out of town, the people coming might live 30km the other side of town, so they gotta drive into town, get dressed and then fuck off. So you might be an hour or so waiting. I know vechile rescue is a two town call but still waiting awhile
Why not do those things AND stop fuckwits from being on their phones while driving?
relative from the States stayed with me for a few weeks and I drove him up to Karajini and down the coast.
he was amazed at how bad our roads are, but the biggest thing he mentioned, again and again, was how close to the edge of the road various things are that would kill you if you hit them.
in his state, he said long roads to other cities had as easy lane and half of cleared land on either side. even if you fell asleep and went right off the road you'd wake up from bouncing along the dirt before you hit a tree.
The rise of large SUVs/4WDs as regular use vehicles seems to be behind the trend reversal:
* Larger & heavier
* Poorer all-around visibility
* Marketed to people less likely to be safe/aware drivers
* Worse handling charcteristics/higher roll-over risk
* Less pedestrian safety in their design - more likely to be run-over than run-under (especially with bull-bars fitted)
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Ideally I think you would measure incidents per total distance travelled by all vehicles.
That would account for increased population as well as any behaviour changes. It would also make cities with less average distance comparable with higher distance cities.
Trouble is it’s probably really hard to obtain an accurate number.
It's quite easy to calculate. You start by multiplying the number of drivers, by the number of accidents. Then dividing that figure by the average age of those drivers, minus, the number of spanners in a sidchrome tool kit.
I would have thought accidents per KM driven would be a good metric.
As our suburbs continue to expand more people are going to be driving longer distances. So I would expect the number of accidents to increase per population as people have more opportunities to screw up.
Oh man. I'm moving to Perth in a few months and don't feel prepared for the road shenanigans. I'm used to chill, easy Darwin. This sounds like it could get stressful, and likely for me to get lost.
Possibly because it's necessary to tackle the aspects that are readily addressable. Once a road has been built, the layout and lighting can't be easily changed without time and money; poor vehicle maintenance is hard to address without random roadside inspections or an MOT style mandatory yearly inspection, both of which people would hate; lack of driver skill should absolutely be addressed but would require a lot of education and culture shift (most people seem to think they are excellent drivers despite evidence to the contrary); speed and phone use are instantly addressable- the driver just needs to look at the speedo or use cruise control and put the phone down. If you want to reduce accidents,these are the two most practical aspects as they are within the driver's immediate control.
Urgh, that roundabout at Bunnings.
Reducing speed limits does not add congestion, it reduces it. People drive better and more cars can travel per minute at lower speeds.
It's almost as if the govt need to do something actually effective, such as increased mandatory training / driver education, and highway patrol presence (catches far more than just speeding and phone use)
I bet it's old man Jenkins!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_Australia_by_year
Yeah dude, so people see the amber light, slow down, then resume speeding.
The idea is that you don't know where the speed traps are so you don't speed anywhere.
You know there's one simple bulletproof trick to stop the nasty government getting revenue from their sneaky cameras? Don't speed.
Speed limit is 70 and there's a nasty sneaky camera behind a tree hiding? Go 65kph, or 68kph if you're confident in your speedo's accuracy.
Don't speed.
Literally just don't go over the speed limit.
well they're working so far. 10% worse. so in fact, you are the one killing more people.
Going by the absolute shambles of a response the average person has to a emergency services vehicle with sirens and lights on, I'm not sure that would help all that much.
A full re-education campaign to make bad drivers recognise themselves and their habits, to encourage awareness and understanding of road conditions and to overall not be a tremendous, selfish dickhead on the roads would be better.
Having considered that, when did you last see a disco-lit roadside attitude test and shitbox appraisal? Can you even recall... because I honestly can't.
No road fatality was avoided by looking at the speedo.
Cops on the road used to identify risky driving behaviour and work from the highest risk downwards. Now I sometimes wonder for how long you could drive like an absolute lunatic, avoiding cameras as part of the process.
Never mind that a lot of people look at their GPS speed not their speedo
Most fatalities are occurring regionally though, according to the data - [https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/road-fatalities-year-date-and-annual-statistics](https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/road-fatalities-year-date-and-annual-statistics)
And that's also where the biggest rise has been this year.
The unlimited speed limits have nothing to do with it to be honest. Simply put - driver education and vehicle inspections along with decent safety standards make a difference.
Exactly my point:
- Proper driving schools
- Regular roadworthiness inspections
- Right attitude
The remarks about fines being lower and not having a speed limit were just to
- highlight increasing fines don’t work
- even in a perceived ‘riskier’ environment they have fewer crashes thanks to the two points above.
And now, get off your mobile phones and be sensible
Then you will never use it in your car. Great.
There are extraordinary licences for people who need to drive for work, but I assume in this case you'd just need to buy a new phone.
You could make the same argument about the cops confiscating your passport or birth certificate or house keys. Yes it can be replaced if lost or stolen, but that doesn't mean it should be used as a punishment for crime.
Imagine supporting blatant government over-reach.
"people are dying on the streets" hahahahah 'wont someone think of the children?!?'
hopefully they'll see sense in that confiscating the vehicle is the way to go. ianal but might be an easy add to existing legislation
US and China are worse.
I went to school. And stayed long enough to learn that maybe questioning shit headlines from shit sources can be a good thing.
If there's 10 in 100k deaths in a population of 1 million. Then the population doubles to 2 million and the number of deaths goes to 15 and the headlines read "50% increase in road deaths", is it misleading?
Because it will always go up unless something drastic like covid happens so the cops can justify more ways to revenue raise off drivers
Isn’t the fine almost the cost of a new high end phone already?
This is cope
Cheap phones to use in the car - simple.
If ppl are so fkn stupid to use their phone in the car whilst driving, they'll be fkn stupid enough to just get another cheapy.
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Or carry a Decoy. I have about 5 old phones.
Or carry a Deco. I have about 5 old phones.
Free new car for everyone.
^^And ^^a ^^million ^^dollars ^^for ^^DAFFP.
Vote DAFFP 2025.
No I’m implying that it doesn’t make a difference.
Button input.
But are you also Outraged?! 🤔
*Freeway worker
And the twenty supervisors.
They just did that to William St heading down the the bus station. The city planner needs a good spanking.
You’re bang on. I’d like to see a breakdown of those numbers region by region and road by road.
Actually, here it is - https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/regional-western-australia-road-statistics
By far the largest number is Southwest, followed by Great Southern and Midwest.
The greatest number of accidents is people hitting an object (35%) at high speeds on 110km stretches of road (56%). 25% of those crashes are down to speed, and 20% had fatigue as a contributing factor, ie: road design on both counts. Frequent rest stops, rumble strips, proper lighting (!!), wider roads with double lanes etc etc.
I agree with you, the Albany Highway and Indian Ocean drive are both death traps. At the very least they should be double lane the whole way.
The crash in the Midwest last week, travel time was nearly two hours from the local ambulance station to accident site.
I don’t think people who live only in the Perth metropolitan area, understand that all fire brigades and ambulances outside 100km radius from Perth are all volunteers. With some paid paramedics at some sites. Most smaller towns only have one ambulance, with crash victims, from my understanding multiple ambulances from different towns had to respond.
IF there is an ED at the local hospital, nurses from the hospital often travel with volunteer ambulance crews, to the nearest RFDS landing area.
Most regional hospitals are just aged care hostels..these days.
Geraldton has been asking for a rescue chopper to be based in Midwest for the last year, all requests have been turned down.
In the US there seems to be correlation to what you’re saying but it’s hard to know here.
That is not supported by the new tech in vehicles that prevent what you are assuming
Anti skid, anti roll, lane assist etc
That article doesn’t mention the percentage of drivers on their phone to how many went through the cameras. 66k sounds high, but if 15 million went through the cameras in that period it’s minuscule.
To me the problem is government hyperbole, old school thinking and a lack of any action other than on speeding for decades.
You forgot Angle of the Tip Squared.
Yeah it's the north and south bound roads that used to be 90kmh that do my head in especially if you use them regularly like myself
Well it didn't have this effect where I live. Maybe in theory but not in practice, now everyone just sits right up each other's bumper instead

Two of the last three were overloaded cars with people occupying a seat or space without a seatbelt

This is common for some demographics however I know this will never be addressed. Likewise for tourists on Indian Ocean drive.

It’s easier to blanket the whole population knowing that they are unlikely to be at fault

You can have as many knee jerk reactions and meetings however until there is an honest discussion what’s the point.

In the early 2020’s I did a lot of driving between Esperance & Perth, Esperance to Albany, Perth to Albany. These journeys included a wide range of roads & conditions. Far too many drivers just don’t give a shit about the speed limit, road conditions, or fellow drivers. The crazy risky driving behaviour, the near misses, so fucking mad. The craziest?

Driving to Perth I had to detour via Kulin-Lake Grace Road following a heavy rain event. I’m towing a trailer, the speed limit is reduced, sings warning about a soft shoulder. Then there is ute driver kook trying to bully me, fuck off. Im not risking my life. The only time I drove on the shoulder was on a hill. It’s a single lane road, on a hill obviously the shoulder is not water logged. And a vehicle appeared over the hill. Not far to go to the T-junction I looked in the rear view mirror? No ute? Looked in the side mirror, the fuckwit was doing circle work in the road reserve. Fucking nuts. Following a left turn at the junction. Ute driver puts the foot down. Dying or killing on the road is about personal behaviour and responsibility.

The Albany is the worst, this is a major road, too many changes of lanes and speed limits. And too many kooks and deranged driving behaviour. Fix it.

People in regional are volunteers and usually farmers and such. So if you cash 40km out of town, the people coming might live 30km the other side of town, so they gotta drive into town, get dressed and then fuck off. So you might be an hour or so waiting. I know vechile rescue is a two town call but still waiting awhile

Why not do those things AND stop fuckwits from being on their phones while driving?

relative from the States stayed with me for a few weeks and I drove him up to Karajini and down the coast.

he was amazed at how bad our roads are, but the biggest thing he mentioned, again and again, was how close to the edge of the road various things are that would kill you if you hit them.

in his state, he said long roads to other cities had as easy lane and half of cleared land on either side. even if you fell asleep and went right off the road you'd wake up from bouncing along the dirt before you hit a tree.

The rise of large SUVs/4WDs as regular use vehicles seems to be behind the trend reversal:

* Larger & heavier

* Poorer all-around visibility

* Marketed to people less likely to be safe/aware drivers

* Worse handling charcteristics/higher roll-over risk

* Less pedestrian safety in their design - more likely to be run-over than run-under (especially with bull-bars fitted)

[deleted]

Ideally I think you would measure incidents per total distance travelled by all vehicles.

That would account for increased population as well as any behaviour changes. It would also make cities with less average distance comparable with higher distance cities.

Trouble is it’s probably really hard to obtain an accurate number.

It's quite easy to calculate. You start by multiplying the number of drivers, by the number of accidents. Then dividing that figure by the average age of those drivers, minus, the number of spanners in a sidchrome tool kit.

I would have thought accidents per KM driven would be a good metric.

As our suburbs continue to expand more people are going to be driving longer distances. So I would expect the number of accidents to increase per population as people have more opportunities to screw up.

Oh man. I'm moving to Perth in a few months and don't feel prepared for the road shenanigans. I'm used to chill, easy Darwin. This sounds like it could get stressful, and likely for me to get lost.

Possibly because it's necessary to tackle the aspects that are readily addressable. Once a road has been built, the layout and lighting can't be easily changed without time and money; poor vehicle maintenance is hard to address without random roadside inspections or an MOT style mandatory yearly inspection, both of which people would hate; lack of driver skill should absolutely be addressed but would require a lot of education and culture shift (most people seem to think they are excellent drivers despite evidence to the contrary); speed and phone use are instantly addressable- the driver just needs to look at the speedo or use cruise control and put the phone down. If you want to reduce accidents,these are the two most practical aspects as they are within the driver's immediate control.

Urgh, that roundabout at Bunnings.

Reducing speed limits does not add congestion, it reduces it. People drive better and more cars can travel per minute at lower speeds.

It's almost as if the govt need to do something *actually effective*, such as increased mandatory training / driver education, and highway patrol presence (catches far more than *just* speeding and phone use)

I bet it's old man Jenkins!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_Australia_by_year

Yeah dude, so people see the amber light, slow down, then resume speeding.

The idea is that you don't know *where* the speed traps are so you don't speed *anywhere*.

You know there's one simple bulletproof trick to stop the nasty government getting revenue from their sneaky cameras? Don't speed.

Speed limit is 70 and there's a nasty sneaky camera behind a tree hiding? Go 65kph, or 68kph if you're confident in your speedo's accuracy.

Don't speed.

Literally just don't go over the speed limit.

well they're working so far. 10% worse. so in fact, **you** are the one killing more people.

Going by the absolute shambles of a response the average person has to a emergency services vehicle with sirens and lights on, I'm not sure that would help all that much.

A full re-education campaign to make bad drivers recognise themselves and their habits, to encourage awareness and understanding of road conditions and to overall not be a tremendous, selfish dickhead on the roads would be better.

Having considered that, when did you last see a disco-lit roadside attitude test and shitbox appraisal? Can you even recall... because I honestly can't.

No road fatality was avoided by looking at the speedo.

Cops on the road used to identify risky driving behaviour and work from the highest risk downwards. Now I sometimes wonder for how long you could drive like an absolute lunatic, avoiding cameras as part of the process.

Never mind that a lot of people look at their GPS speed not their speedo

Most fatalities are occurring regionally though, according to the data - [https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/road-fatalities-year-date-and-annual-statistics](https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/road-fatalities-year-date-and-annual-statistics)

And that's also where the biggest rise has been this year.

The unlimited speed limits have nothing to do with it to be honest. Simply put - driver education and vehicle inspections along with decent safety standards make a difference.

Exactly my point:

- Proper driving schools

- Regular roadworthiness inspections

- Right attitude

The remarks about fines being lower and not having a speed limit were just to

- highlight increasing fines don’t work

- even in a perceived ‘riskier’ environment they have fewer crashes thanks to the two points above.

And now, get off your mobile phones and be sensible

Then you will never use it in your car. Great.

There are extraordinary licences for people who need to drive for work, but I assume in this case you'd just need to buy a new phone.

You could make the same argument about the cops confiscating your passport or birth certificate or house keys. Yes it can be replaced if lost or stolen, but that doesn't mean it should be used as a punishment for crime.

Imagine supporting blatant government over-reach.

"people are dying on the streets" hahahahah 'wont someone think of the children?!?'

hopefully they'll see sense in that confiscating the vehicle is the way to go. ianal but might be an easy add to existing legislation

US and China are worse.

I went to school. And stayed long enough to learn that maybe questioning shit headlines from shit sources can be a good thing.

If there's 10 in 100k deaths in a population of 1 million. Then the population doubles to 2 million and the number of deaths goes to 15 and the headlines read "50% increase in road deaths", is it misleading?

Because it will always go up unless something drastic like covid happens so the cops can justify more ways to revenue raise off drivers

Isn’t the fine almost the cost of a new high end phone already?

This is cope

Cheap phones to use in the car - simple.

If ppl are so fkn stupid to use their phone in the car whilst driving, they'll be fkn stupid enough to just get another cheapy.

[deleted]

Or carry a Decoy. I have about 5 old phones.

Or carry a Deco. I have about 5 old phones.

Free new car for everyone.

^^And ^^a ^^million ^^dollars ^^for ^^DAFFP.

Vote DAFFP 2025.

No I’m implying that it doesn’t make a difference.

Button input.

But are you also Outraged?! 🤔

*Freeway worker

And the twenty supervisors.

They just did that to William St heading down the the bus station. The city planner needs a good spanking.

You’re bang on. I’d like to see a breakdown of those numbers region by region and road by road.

Actually, here it is - https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/road-safety-commission/regional-western-australia-road-statistics

By far the largest number is Southwest, followed by Great Southern and Midwest.

The greatest number of accidents is people hitting an object (35%) at high speeds on 110km stretches of road (56%). 25% of those crashes are down to speed, and 20% had fatigue as a contributing factor, ie: road design on both counts. Frequent rest stops, rumble strips, proper lighting (!!), wider roads with double lanes etc etc.

I agree with you, the Albany Highway and Indian Ocean drive are both death traps. At the very least they should be double lane the whole way.

The crash in the Midwest last week, travel time was nearly two hours from the local ambulance station to accident site.

I don’t think people who live only in the Perth metropolitan area, understand that all fire brigades and ambulances outside 100km radius from Perth are all volunteers. With some paid paramedics at some sites. Most smaller towns only have one ambulance, with crash victims, from my understanding multiple ambulances from different towns had to respond.

IF there is an ED at the local hospital, nurses from the hospital often travel with volunteer ambulance crews, to the nearest RFDS landing area.

Most regional hospitals are just aged care hostels..these days.

Geraldton has been asking for a rescue chopper to be based in Midwest for the last year, all requests have been turned down.

In the US there seems to be correlation to what you’re saying but it’s hard to know here.

That is not supported by the new tech in vehicles that prevent what you are assuming

Anti skid, anti roll, lane assist etc

That article doesn’t mention the percentage of drivers on their phone to how many went through the cameras. 66k sounds high, but if 15 million went through the cameras in that period it’s minuscule.

To me the problem is government hyperbole, old school thinking and a lack of any action other than on speeding for decades.

You forgot Angle of the Tip Squared.

Yeah it's the north and south bound roads that used to be 90kmh that do my head in especially if you use them regularly like myself

Well it didn't have this effect where I live. Maybe in theory but not in practice, now everyone just sits right up each other's bumper instead