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If public transport was better then there would be a lower death toll. There’s a whole train line that was closed last year which won’t open till next year and the news stories wonder why the death toll is so big? There’s been tons of roadworks on the south east of the city and Roe Highway has been blocked of traffic for over 5 years. For some reason Roe Highway is two lanes and it has the most trucks on it. Weird city planning compared to other areas.
They should trial this and see if it reduces deaths.
If it does, keep doing it, and vice versa.
What absolute bollocks is this?
Sure, people certainly shouldn't be using their phones while driving, but out biggest fatalities are on reginal roads, not in the metro area, plus from a quick look at the statistics it seems speed, and other factors are the causes of road fatalities rather than people using their phones.
If we look at the data provided by the road safety commission for 2023, and we look at the fatalities by behavioural factors suspected, we can see that alcohol and speed is much more the reason for fatalities year on year than inattention to the road, the 5 year average for speed is 48.2% the 5 year average for alcohol is 35.2% and inattention is 24.6%.
It only take one good long road trip to see the absolute idiocy of some drivers going regional, overtaking prime movers on blind corners, people towing at ridiculous speeds, drivers not taking adequate rest breaks and not driver swapping, it is simply that these people do not know how to drive, long distance driving is something most different from your peak hour crawl down the freeway.
I'd much rather take a snack and a nap at a rest stop then drive tired.
I'd prefer to see all accidents, or at least rear end accidents resulting in the driver at fault having their phone examined for use at time of accident.
$20k fine and 5 years loss of licence as the result.
What I don't understand is when I go to other countries where this is not enforced people literally hold their phone up to the wheel and text while driving. Is it safer because they are doing it up at the wheel where they can still see the road, where as when it's illegal people have it on their lap so eyes not on the road whatsoever? Or are they just having accidents and dying like fucking crazy but stats aren't reported on and their government doesn't really care?
You remember when you were a kid, and you did something bad, so your parents took your stuff away?
This is that.
Speed and unregistered vehicles. Third party property should be mandatory on all road vehicles.
Don't be surprised at sensationalist titles 🤣
Shit, this is what I get for not clicking the article but it is yahoo news so, no clicks. It goes the same for perfnow.
Anyway, it would be good to do this. Riding the bus every day makes it clear too many people use their phone while driving.
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Also, WA vehicle deaths and serious injuries are disproportionately regional - about twice as likely as metro. Perhaps the biggest improvements are more likely to be found in tackling drinking, tiredness and very high speeds.
Road deaths were decreasing from the 80s up until the mid 2010s which doesn’t correlate with population growth.
Is per population the right metric either though? Per vehicle maybe? Per private vehicle user (since I can't think of a time I heard of a fatal accident to a business passenger)?
This is the problem with stats, pinning down good metrics is hard, especially if you want to keep them explainable. We should still try, but every metric has flaws.
I am just back from midland and I am convinced half the people there don't have a licence. Seen one crash and three near misses in the town in the space of twenty minutes and when I was walking into the shopping centre someone almost ran me over on the zebra crossing .
This is what always shits me too. You can't compare the number of deaths unless you adjust for population increase. So why don't they do a % instead. Ah because that wouldn't be a good headline. Damn media and government. They know what they are doing, preying on the stupid.
you got to use those stats to justify more fines.
misleading with stats is the road safety commissions go to when trying to push stupid ideas.
Don’t confuse the issue with facts.
And how many seriously injured and sent to hospital??
This is fucking digusting just so some asshole can get somewhere faster.
I'm guessing most people using their phones are not doing it at likely fatality speeds, but rather property damage and minor whiplash speeds.
Yes - also worth noting that very few accidents have a single cause.
Yet we seem to hyper focus on certain aspects - such as speed or in this case mobile phones - whilst ignoring other factors such as poor lighting, bad road design, poor road or vehicle maintenance or lack of driver skill/awareness.
Yeah where I live in Mandurah all the major dual lane roads are now 70km. Not only does it literally take over 40 minutes to go from one end of town to the other but the added congestion also makes it more difficult to exit major non traffic light intersections
shhhh don't say that part out loud... we spent so long creating the bogey man we can't just take his mask off!!!
The death toll will always increase, because the population increases
I believe you are confusing safety with revenue raising
If they really wanted to reduce speeding they wouldn’t be sneaky and hide behind trees they would put an amber flashing light on every speed camera then every time you see flashing light on a excavator or mower or construction vehicle you would check your speed
We need more mobile cameras. People are dying and you guys are pushing your fucking narrative because you wanna speed more. Disgusting.
Bullshit. Your car brain is going into overdrive.
The old RTA. Highly visible and all the RTA did was traffic infringements.
100% I think a police presence in general would make a big difference
Laws + no police enforcing laws = dead laws
People understanding basic road rules and paying attention while they're driving would also go a long way.
Turns out sometimes the speed changes on roads and you need to speed up to account for it! What a shocking discovery!
Thinking on this before. I can go a week easy of 40-50 min commuting without seeing a traffic police car on the road. More and more cars running lights on the change from amber to red. More cars barely stopping (not rolling) through stop lights.
You can only fix this with an actual police presence.
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This. I can’t actually remeber the last time I saw police enforcing anything other than speeding and even then it’s rare… they certainly don’t enforce the keep left on roads posted 80ks and above…
This is because Germans know how to drive, because they are educated to drive properly.
The sections of Germany's Autobahns without speed limits are generally the inter-city sections. If you're comparing city driving where most accidents are occurring, you'd be dealing with similar speed limits.
Yes but vehicle safety and driver education is actually taken seriously there..
Exactly, I run my entire business from my phone, pay all bills from my phone, have proprietary information on my phone.
Such a brainless suggestion.
How is this different to anything else? Many people need to be able to drive for work for example, but that doesn't make them immune from road laws.
I don't necessarily support confiscating phones, but that's a pretty poor argument. What would you do if your phone was lost, stolen or broken? Do that. Problem solved.
Plenty of people get their professional and personal lives severely hampered when something happens to their car. Genuinely - I don't want my phone confiscated any less than you do, but - what's the difference?
Then you will never use it in the car then. Right??
Your work isn't more important than people's lives.
Just keep a cheap dummy phone in your car and hand that over to the police.
Wow, how would life continue for you? Meanwhile people are dying on the streets and you’re scared your boss can’t reach you? Disgusting.
I agree with you, but privacy (and civil liberties) advocates have never managed to stop police overreach in Australia before.
You been through the Australian border with a phone? Look into what they can do with your devices
Police seize cars every day, not sure there much difference.
Will say our whole lives revolve around internet access though so don’t think this will get through
Well I mean they take and crush cars in other states, they can Definitley take your phone haha
Did you go to school? More population means you need more control too. Are you trying to act like it’s normal? Ffs
I've never understood why we compare the death toll to prior years rather than the death rate. I've never heard the police refer to a "crime toll" rather than a "crime rate". It's about the only metric like this that isn't baaselined against population size.
I would imagine it would be for repeat offenders because the 1st fine and demerit points didn't get through their thick head
If they get a new phone and are caught again, ,confiscate the new phone.
'red light is the new amber'
What the fuck are you talking about?
'i spend too much time concentrating on my speed'
You glance at the speedo once every 10 seconds or so. Same with mirrors.
'no one can avoid an accident by using the brake'
What the fuck are you actually talking about?
As a motorcyclist, reading some of these comments in this thread is fucking terrifying. You people are a fucking menace, but will call someone like me who rides incredibly safely an 'organ donor'
I hate to break it to you, but warrantless search of a person and their vehicle already exists in WA and has done for quite a while.
If a fine isn't a deterrent, then neither will losing a mobile phone.
It's easy enough to get a replacement handset and SIM card, then restore your phone from backup. It's a minor inconvenience for sure, but not exactly complicated.
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Proof
Just so I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying speeding would stay the same or go down if they got rid of speed cameras entirely? Really?
I care to differ that speed cameras don’t deter speeding. You only need to watch traffic slow to 90 past fixed cameras to realise that their presence does cause a reduction in speed.
Plenty dickheads doing well over the speed limit don’t have the balls to continue past a camera at that rate.
Solution to that is place point-to-point cameras along the freeways! Oh and while they’re at it, have the cameras issue tickets for tailgating!
> Speeding cameras don’t deter speeding
How do people say this shit with a straight face?
Are you implying if WAPOL got rid of speed cameras altogether there would be less speeding overall?
How are you going to differentiate between physical use / voice commands / carplay / android auto etc?
I'm not surprised. I'm SHOCKED!!
"Experts" propose SHOCKING ideas to kerb road deaths! You WON'T BELIEVE number 9!
And how about we remove a lane from the freeway too. Single lane freeway means almost no actual traffic movement at all, so that will absolutely save lives.
And it will give the freeway workers who have been at it for the past 15 years something to do for the next 15 years as well.
Genius.
> by increasing the frequency of traffic jams.
Car drivers will do this themselves.
This idea is worthy of a Shovel exclusive.
Actually we can just cull the population, and then the total number will go down
And road maintenance. South coast highway and Albany highway are barely attached to the ground
I wonder how many deaths are out in regional communities where's there's 9 adults and 3 children in a 5 seater and not one person has a seatbelt on.

If public transport was better then there would be a lower death toll. There’s a whole train line that was closed last year which won’t open till next year and the news stories wonder why the death toll is so big? There’s been tons of roadworks on the south east of the city and Roe Highway has been blocked of traffic for over 5 years. For some reason Roe Highway is two lanes and it has the most trucks on it. Weird city planning compared to other areas.

They should trial this and see if it reduces deaths.

If it does, keep doing it, and vice versa.

What absolute bollocks is this?

Sure, people certainly shouldn't be using their phones while driving, but out biggest fatalities are on reginal roads, not in the metro area, plus from a quick look at the statistics it seems speed, and other factors are the causes of road fatalities rather than people using their phones.

If we look at the data provided by the road safety commission for 2023, and we look at the fatalities by behavioural factors suspected, we can see that alcohol and speed is much more the reason for fatalities year on year than inattention to the road, the 5 year average for speed is 48.2% the 5 year average for alcohol is 35.2% and inattention is 24.6%.

It only take one good long road trip to see the absolute idiocy of some drivers going regional, overtaking prime movers on blind corners, people towing at ridiculous speeds, drivers not taking adequate rest breaks and not driver swapping, it is simply that these people do not know how to drive, long distance driving is something most different from your peak hour crawl down the freeway.

I'd much rather take a snack and a nap at a rest stop then drive tired.

I'd prefer to see all accidents, or at least rear end accidents resulting in the driver at fault having their phone examined for use at time of accident.

$20k fine and 5 years loss of licence as the result.

What I don't understand is when I go to other countries where this is not enforced people literally hold their phone up to the wheel and text while driving. Is it safer because they are doing it up at the wheel where they can still see the road, where as when it's illegal people have it on their lap so eyes not on the road whatsoever? Or are they just having accidents and dying like fucking crazy but stats aren't reported on and their government doesn't really care?

You remember when you were a kid, and you did something bad, so your parents took your stuff away?

This is that.

Speed and unregistered vehicles. Third party property should be mandatory on all road vehicles.

Don't be surprised at sensationalist titles 🤣

Shit, this is what I get for not clicking the article but it is yahoo news so, no clicks. It goes the same for perfnow.

Anyway, it would be good to do this. Riding the bus every day makes it clear too many people use their phone while driving.

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Also, WA vehicle deaths and serious injuries are disproportionately regional - about twice as likely as metro. Perhaps the biggest improvements are more likely to be found in tackling drinking, tiredness and very high speeds.

Road deaths were decreasing from the 80s up until the mid 2010s which doesn’t correlate with population growth.

Is per population the right metric either though? Per vehicle maybe? Per private vehicle user (since I can't think of a time I heard of a fatal accident to a business passenger)?

This is the problem with stats, pinning down good metrics is hard, especially if you want to keep them explainable. We should still try, but every metric has flaws.

I am just back from midland and I am convinced half the people there don't have a licence. Seen one crash and three near misses in the town in the space of twenty minutes and when I was walking into the shopping centre someone almost ran me over on the zebra crossing .

This is what always shits me too. You can't compare the number of deaths unless you adjust for population increase. So why don't they do a % instead. Ah because that wouldn't be a good headline. Damn media and government. They know what they are doing, preying on the stupid.

you got to use those stats to justify more fines.

misleading with stats is the road safety commissions go to when trying to push stupid ideas.

Don’t confuse the issue with facts.

And how many seriously injured and sent to hospital??

This is fucking digusting just so some asshole can get somewhere faster.

I'm guessing most people using their phones are not doing it at likely fatality speeds, but rather property damage and minor whiplash speeds.

Yes - also worth noting that very few accidents have a single cause.

Yet we seem to hyper focus on certain aspects - such as speed or in this case mobile phones - whilst ignoring other factors such as poor lighting, bad road design, poor road or vehicle maintenance or lack of driver skill/awareness.

Yeah where I live in Mandurah all the major dual lane roads are now 70km. Not only does it literally take over 40 minutes to go from one end of town to the other but the added congestion also makes it more difficult to exit major non traffic light intersections

shhhh don't say that part out loud... we spent so long creating the bogey man we can't just take his mask off!!!

The death toll will always increase, because the population increases

I believe you are confusing safety with revenue raising

If they really wanted to reduce speeding they wouldn’t be sneaky and hide behind trees they would put an amber flashing light on every speed camera then every time you see flashing light on a excavator or mower or construction vehicle you would check your speed

We need more mobile cameras. People are dying and you guys are pushing your fucking narrative because you wanna speed more. Disgusting.

Bullshit. Your car brain is going into overdrive.

The old RTA. Highly visible and all the RTA did was traffic infringements.

100% I think a police presence in general would make a big difference

Laws + no police enforcing laws = dead laws

People understanding basic road rules and paying attention while they're driving would also go a long way.

Turns out sometimes the speed changes on roads and you need to speed up to account for it! What a shocking discovery!

Thinking on this before. I can go a week easy of 40-50 min commuting without seeing a traffic police car on the road. More and more cars running lights on the change from amber to red. More cars barely stopping (not rolling) through stop lights.

You can only fix this with an actual police presence.

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This. I can’t actually remeber the last time I saw police enforcing anything other than speeding and even then it’s rare… they certainly don’t enforce the keep left on roads posted 80ks and above…

This is because Germans know how to drive, because they are educated to drive properly.

The sections of Germany's Autobahns without speed limits are generally the inter-city sections. If you're comparing city driving where most accidents are occurring, you'd be dealing with similar speed limits.

Yes but vehicle safety and driver education is actually taken seriously there..

Exactly, I run my entire business from my phone, pay all bills from my phone, have proprietary information on my phone.

Such a brainless suggestion.

How is this different to anything else? Many people need to be able to drive for work for example, but that doesn't make them immune from road laws.

I don't necessarily support confiscating phones, but that's a pretty poor argument. What would you do if your phone was lost, stolen or broken? Do that. Problem solved.

Plenty of people get their professional and personal lives severely hampered when something happens to their car. Genuinely - I don't want my phone confiscated any less than you do, but - what's the difference?

Then you will never use it in the car then. Right??

Your work isn't more important than people's lives.

Just keep a cheap dummy phone in your car and hand that over to the police.

Wow, how would life continue for you? Meanwhile people are dying on the streets and you’re scared your boss can’t reach you? Disgusting.

I agree with you, but privacy (and civil liberties) advocates have never managed to stop police overreach in Australia before.

You been through the Australian border with a phone? Look into what they can do with your devices

Police seize cars every day, not sure there much difference.

Will say our whole lives revolve around internet access though so don’t think this will get through

Well I mean they take and crush cars in other states, they can Definitley take your phone haha

Did you go to school? More population means you need more control too. Are you trying to act like it’s normal? Ffs

I've never understood why we compare the death toll to prior years rather than the death rate. I've never heard the police refer to a "crime toll" rather than a "crime rate". It's about the only metric like this that isn't baaselined against population size.

I would imagine it would be for repeat offenders because the 1st fine and demerit points didn't get through their thick head

If they get a new phone and are caught again, ,confiscate the new phone.

'red light is the new amber'

What the fuck are you talking about?

'i spend too much time concentrating on my speed'

You glance at the speedo once every 10 seconds or so. Same with mirrors.

'no one can avoid an accident by using the brake'

What the *fuck* are you actually talking about?

As a motorcyclist, reading some of these comments in this thread is fucking terrifying. You people are a fucking menace, but will call someone like me who rides incredibly safely an 'organ donor'

I hate to break it to you, but warrantless search of a person and their vehicle already exists in WA and has done for quite a while.

If a fine isn't a deterrent, then neither will losing a mobile phone.

It's easy enough to get a replacement handset and SIM card, then restore your phone from backup. It's a minor inconvenience for sure, but not exactly complicated.

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Proof

Just so I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying speeding would stay the same or *go down* if they got rid of speed cameras entirely? Really?

I care to differ that speed cameras don’t deter speeding. You only need to watch traffic slow to 90 past fixed cameras to realise that their presence does cause a reduction in speed.

Plenty dickheads doing well over the speed limit don’t have the balls to continue past a camera at that rate.

Solution to that is place point-to-point cameras along the freeways! Oh and while they’re at it, have the cameras issue tickets for tailgating!

> Speeding cameras don’t deter speeding

How do people say this shit with a straight face?

Are you implying if WAPOL got rid of speed cameras altogether there would be *less* speeding overall?

How are you going to differentiate between physical use / voice commands / carplay / android auto etc?

I'm not surprised. I'm SHOCKED!!

"Experts" propose SHOCKING ideas to kerb road deaths! You WON'T BELIEVE number 9!

And how about we remove a lane from the freeway too. Single lane freeway means almost no actual traffic movement at all, so that will absolutely save lives.

And it will give the freeway workers who have been at it for the past 15 years something to do for the next 15 years as well.

Genius.

> by increasing the frequency of traffic jams.

Car drivers will do this themselves.

This idea is worthy of a Shovel exclusive.

Actually we can just cull the population, and then the total number will go down

And road maintenance. South coast highway and Albany highway are barely attached to the ground

I wonder how many deaths are out in regional communities where's there's 9 adults and 3 children in a 5 seater and not one person has a seatbelt on.