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Not rocket science.
A non-Aussie reading OzBargain...?
Enough to take a sex worker from Town Hall to Orange
>$362
Wow that's upward of 80K in my local currency. given minimum wage over there approx 3 days of work. (locally 8 months of work) yikes
And double demerits for second offence. Instant loss of licence for 2 phone fines within 12 months.
On P plates if your phone is connected via Bluetooth it counts as phone use. My phone connected automatically (because I was often a passenger) and I didn't notice. Volume was off (because I was chatting with my passenger) and phone was in my pocket. Got the same 5 demerit points and fine as if I'd been texting while driving.
I agree that if someone's actively using their phone it should be an immediate suspension, but I think the rule for P platers should be a different (lower) punishment.
(This was several years ago, I'm on my fulls now)
Plus one of those phone holders that sits on your dash is what $20? Plus it's easier and safer (and legal) to use for navigation if it's on the dash rather than your lap - absolutely no excuse.
Agreed. Wonder how those cameras work tho, has to be computer vision based system right?
Why not take the car away as well? That'll solve all issues. I hope extremely high fines and demerit points sting you badly one day, like you wish it for everyone else.
there is a safety aspect tho. some people are obnoxious while using phones (even when walking on the road). But definitely fines are there for governments to earn money no doubt
When did everyone start following the rules?
I have a good mate who did this for a couple of years. He said it was a shit job and not worth the money. You get all manner of objects thrown at the car and you are not allowed to leave the vehicle under any circumstance. I can’t remember how long the shifts were but I think 6 hours rings a bell. If you need to go to the bathroom… tough luck. You’ve got to stick it out. There was one time in summer where the temp was in the high 30’s but the aircon on the vehicle wasn’t working. Had to stay in there and sweat it out. He’s since quit the job and gone back to driving trucks.
definitely. in the safety of others, i'm all in for fines. cant take chances
I do check it time to time to get deals. I buy stuff from there
Driving fines are expensive here. As much as the fine hurts, loss of your driving licence is more of a concern.
Ask me about motorway tolls. It costs me $47.00 a day to drive to work and back. That's $11,000 a year in after tax dollars just for the privilege of going to work plus petrol plus plus plus.
How did you get caught for 'distracted driving' if your phone was in your pocket? Presumably the phone detection cameras work on a visual basis - they're not detecting the Bluetooth signals and triangulating them.
That's a shit go...
whats a P plate? and yeah don't people connect the phone via bluetooth just for music. how is that a offence?
How did they catch you then ? This does not make sense. I’m on my Ps, you’re allowed to have music / directions playing as long as you’re not looking at / using your phone while driving.
Yep. They are equipped with a long-range cam to see if you're holding your phone up as you approach, and as you pass under the gantry there's a cam aimed straight down to see anything in your lap
Machine learning flags certain images for human review, then fines get printed
So not totally automated...yet
You okay, bud?
I do hate camera fines though. You are guilty till proven innocent and it is almost impossible to prove innocent as the camera only shows the moment not circumstances. Most of the time they are right though
That’s absolutely insane.
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Or even just the rubbish that is public transport. There was a post a day or so ago on r/Sydney about someone needing 5 1/2 hours to travel between 2 points that are 10 minutes apart by car.
[Edit] Found it, https://np.reddit.com/r/sydney/comments/y3biv4/9_minute_drive_1h_45min_walk_5_and_a_half_hours/
I got pulled over. I hadn't been pulled over before and was a bit flustered, left my ignition on. The cop leaned in my window and looked at the Bluetooth icon on the headunit, he pointed it out to me and then wrote me a ticket. This was pretty soon after the rule was introduced, so I'm guessing the police were extra vigilant for it.
I have no idea why he pulled me over. I'm from Sydney and I was several hours away in a rural area so maybe he just wanted to be a dick to the P plater from the city? Genuinely no clue, I wasn't driving badly.
A few months ago an alarm (which I forgot I'd set) went off on my phone while I was stuck in traffic on the eastern distributor. I discovered at that point that Google Assistant doesn't understand commands like "silence my alarm", despite me trying 5+ different phrases. My phone was in the centre console, (plugged in to Android Auto) it would've been easy to just tap the screen. But I don't ever touch my phone while I'm driving.
The soonest I could pull over was Kirribilli, but that was a long way away. Much like in the story of the Russian cosmonaut, I decided that the only way to save my sanity was to fall in love with the sound. Easier said than done, the alarm was infuriating to listen to. Thankfully it turns out that alarms on Android/OxygenOS will stop ringing after 10-15 minutes if you don't dismiss them.
I don't speed, I keep left, and I don't touch my phone. It really stung getting 5 demerits for what I (and everyone I've spoken to about it) consider to be an unfair reason.
In NSW when we learn to drive we have plates that we put on our cars. L plate represents a learner license (must be supervised by a qualified driver) and P plate represents a provisional license (has some restrictions). There are also two colours of P plate, first you get a red one then a green one. After green Ps you get your full license or "fulls".
A provisional license carries restrictions like a zero blood alcohol limit (as opposed to 0.05 for fulls) and not being able to have more than one passenger after 11pm.
The reasoning for no Bluetooth connection on Ps is to avoid "distracted driving", since you're a less experienced driver. But since you can still listen to radio/CDs/USB content on your car's in-built stereo, and you can still use a built-in GPS, it seems like a pretty arbitrary rule.
>I’m on my Ps, you’re allowed to have music / directions playing as long as you’re not looking at / using your phone while driving
No you aren't: https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/stayingsafe/mobilephones/know-the-rules.html
> Restricted licences holders including learner, P1 and P2 drivers and riders are not permitted to use their phone at all while driving or riding. This includes use of hands-free and Bluetooth functions.
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oh wow. it's a 2 cam setup, that makes sense. what happens when you have tinted windscreens? wouldn't that block the camera
Better ask that question yourself. You're advocating for destroying other people's life cause they touched their mobile.
You can only claim that on tax if its between two workplaces, not from home to work or vice versa
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Yeah that's incredibly unfair
Oh got it. we only have "L" plate where we live. and even that is not restrictive as much.
This is so fucking retarded. You can't use it for GPS. They'd rather prefer that someone use physical maps, that's legal.
I’m in Victoria, my bad (I actually didn’t realise this was the NSW subreddit if I’m honest it got recommended to me in my feed).
Our rules state
> You cannot use a mobile phone of any kind (not even a hands-free, or hand-held to message) including a GPS
Which is sounds extremely stupid, but I asked this specifically when i got my license, they said it’s fine as long as you never interact with it while you’re operating the car. So (at least in vic, maybe it’s different in NSW but the wording is similar) you can set it up and listen to audio instructions / music before you leave, but you can’t look at or touch your phone while driving the car.
Haha, me too. Happy cake day, homie!
Tinted windscreens are a different matter altogether. We allow the top 10% to be tinted with a darkness best described as "better than nothing"
The other 90% of the windshield needs to be clear
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Okay mate, best of luck to you [https://np.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/wq2r6u/in\_georgia\_theres\_a\_stray\_dog\_who\_has\_made\_it\_his/ikkuwhl/](https://np.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/wq2r6u/in_georgia_theres_a_stray_dog_who_has_made_it_his/ikkuwhl/)
Who did you ask exactly? In NSW since the rule change is recent, many people don't know about it still.
The rule you quoted pretty explicitly says you can't use your phone for GPS, even hands-free. If you happen to get caught, I don't think "but so-and-so said it was okay" will be an accepted excuse. (Unless maybe if you have it in writing from VicRoads)
oh right. i just thought maybe they had some IR camera or something to see through tinted glass. lol
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I asked the vicroads supervisor who conducted my test. Basically, it means that like looking at the GPS or pressing ur phone to do something with it is not an acceptable reason, and voice control isn’t allowed either. BUT it is pretty explicitly stated in the pamphlets they give you (alongside what the supervisor at vicroads said) that listening to music, etc is discouraged but allowed. You just cannot interact with ur phone in any capacity. AKA if it’s in ur pocket the whole time and you don’t use voice control, etc you’re ok.
I asked the vicroads supervisor who conducted my test. Basically, it means that like looking at the GPS or pressing ur phone to do something with it is not an acceptable reason, and voice control isn’t allowed either. BUT it is pretty explicitly stated in the pamphlets they give you (alongside what the supervisor at vicroads said) that listening to music, etc is discouraged but allowed. You just cannot interact with ur phone in any capacity. AKA if it’s in ur pocket the whole time and you don’t use voice control, etc you’re ok.
As long as it says it in the pamphlet (and you've got a copy of the pamphlet) then you've got it in writing, so I guess it's fine. Must be different from NSW.
Libs out of federal government was good, now we just need them out of the state
Then they can dissolve their outdated parties which will increasingly struggle because surely the upcoming generations are not as blind to their bullshit and motivated to vote against common interest as the older folks who for some reason vote liberal.
I suppose we were expecting something like this unfortunately.
Hope the NSW govt lose if it does happen
I thought the union for the ok from the courts to take this action? If so, aren't they protected legally?
If you are going to do something, do it. Don't announce it. Wake up one morning and press the wrong button on the machines. They'll get the message.
Hopefully the libs are gonna be irrelevant in a few elections time
oi nah nah but my dad he said he said the libs always supported da army n da farmers
As long as the ‘greater good’ is cast aside no. No. I’m afraid majority do look after their own interests regardless tge costs to others
Yeah I'm sure they're fine. The NSW government already gave a false threat to illegally terminate the enterprise agreement, I expect that this is also a baseless threat.
Fucken oath.
This is the dream.
Imagine, "times are better now, there used to be this thing called the liberal party..."
"Shush darl what are you bringing up those drongos for?"
Army and farmers need mental and health support. As do we all.
Why so bloody many of us though?
Maybe I only speak for myself here but it's been an unsettling first innings living with many policies and politicians I would never choose. I'm holding out hope in the second innings that the firmest process of change is generational.
They'll just have to keep squeezing us until we freakout then.
I'll be too old to participate but I'll be cheering when the revolution comes.
🤣
This is the exact reason people eventually disconnect
People go their own way cos the stress of dealing with the system that looks after the minority results in them having no options but to do things themselves which in turn creates even more resentment towards the system until they abandon it altogether or eventually some change happens enough to keep some smiling a while
Everyone is always ready to do something at different times but rarely together
These things only change when a collective bands together. My only hope is these generations realise that, the fact they’re paying for previous generations mistakes and that the ‘revolutionary movement’ they all crave for hasn’t actually been achieved with BLM or ME2 🤔
But tbh I’d say we will need to wait another 5yrs
Exactly right about many people ready but not at the right time.
But the more I age, the less I am a stakeholder in this society of ours.
That’s what I meant by the first part
It’s a natural progression. Sadly it’s too difficult to stay angry about everything. Ultimately when faced with sh*t results and never finding change desired we leave the system behind and simply kick along

Not rocket science.

A non-Aussie reading OzBargain...?

Enough to take a sex worker from Town Hall to Orange

>$362

Wow that's upward of 80K in my local currency. given minimum wage over there approx 3 days of work. (locally 8 months of work) yikes

And double demerits for second offence. Instant loss of licence for 2 phone fines within 12 months.

On P plates if your phone is connected via Bluetooth it counts as phone use. My phone connected automatically (because I was often a passenger) and I didn't notice. Volume was off (because I was chatting with my passenger) and phone was in my pocket. Got the same 5 demerit points and fine as if I'd been texting while driving.

I agree that if someone's actively using their phone it should be an immediate suspension, but I think the rule for P platers should be a different (lower) punishment.

(This was several years ago, I'm on my fulls now)

Plus one of those phone holders that sits on your dash is what $20? Plus it's easier and safer (and legal) to use for navigation if it's on the dash rather than your lap - absolutely no excuse.

Agreed. Wonder how those cameras work tho, has to be computer vision based system right?

Why not take the car away as well? That'll solve all issues. I hope extremely high fines and demerit points sting you badly one day, like you wish it for everyone else.

there is a safety aspect tho. some people are obnoxious while using phones (even when walking on the road). But definitely fines are there for governments to earn money no doubt

When did everyone start following the rules?

I have a good mate who did this for a couple of years. He said it was a shit job and not worth the money. You get all manner of objects thrown at the car and you are not allowed to leave the vehicle under any circumstance. I can’t remember how long the shifts were but I think 6 hours rings a bell. If you need to go to the bathroom… tough luck. You’ve got to stick it out. There was one time in summer where the temp was in the high 30’s but the aircon on the vehicle wasn’t working. Had to stay in there and sweat it out. He’s since quit the job and gone back to driving trucks.

definitely. in the safety of others, i'm all in for fines. cant take chances

I do check it time to time to get deals. I buy stuff from there

Driving fines are expensive here. As much as the fine hurts, loss of your driving licence is more of a concern.

Ask me about motorway tolls. It costs me $47.00 a day to drive to work and back. That's $11,000 a year in after tax dollars just for the privilege of going to work plus petrol plus plus plus.

How did you get caught for 'distracted driving' if your phone was in your pocket? Presumably the phone detection cameras work on a visual basis - they're not detecting the Bluetooth signals and triangulating them.

That's a shit go...

whats a P plate? and yeah don't people connect the phone via bluetooth just for music. how is that a offence?

How did they catch you then ? This does not make sense. I’m on my Ps, you’re allowed to have music / directions playing as long as you’re not looking at / using your phone while driving.

Yep. They are equipped with a long-range cam to see if you're holding your phone up as you approach, and as you pass under the gantry there's a cam aimed straight down to see anything in your lap

Machine learning flags certain images for human review, then fines get printed

So not totally automated...yet

You okay, bud?

I do hate camera fines though. You are guilty till proven innocent and it is almost impossible to prove innocent as the camera only shows the moment not circumstances. Most of the time they are right though

That’s absolutely insane.

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Or even just the rubbish that is public transport. There was a post a day or so ago on r/Sydney about someone needing 5 1/2 hours to travel between 2 points that are 10 minutes apart by car.

[Edit] Found it, https://np.reddit.com/r/sydney/comments/y3biv4/9_minute_drive_1h_45min_walk_5_and_a_half_hours/

I got pulled over. I hadn't been pulled over before and was a bit flustered, left my ignition on. The cop leaned in my window and looked at the Bluetooth icon on the headunit, he pointed it out to me and then wrote me a ticket. This was pretty soon after the rule was introduced, so I'm guessing the police were extra vigilant for it.

I have no idea why he pulled me over. I'm from Sydney and I was several hours away in a rural area so maybe he just wanted to be a dick to the P plater from the city? Genuinely no clue, I wasn't driving badly.

A few months ago an alarm (which I forgot I'd set) went off on my phone while I was stuck in traffic on the eastern distributor. I discovered at that point that Google Assistant doesn't understand commands like "silence my alarm", despite me trying 5+ different phrases. My phone was in the centre console, (plugged in to Android Auto) it would've been easy to just tap the screen. But I don't *ever* touch my phone while I'm driving.

The soonest I could pull over was Kirribilli, but that was a long way away. Much like in the story of the Russian cosmonaut, I decided that the only way to save my sanity was to fall in love with the sound. Easier said than done, the alarm was infuriating to listen to. Thankfully it turns out that alarms on Android/OxygenOS will stop ringing after 10-15 minutes if you don't dismiss them.

I don't speed, I keep left, and I don't touch my phone. It really stung getting 5 demerits for what I (and everyone I've spoken to about it) consider to be an unfair reason.

In NSW when we learn to drive we have plates that we put on our cars. L plate represents a learner license (must be supervised by a qualified driver) and P plate represents a provisional license (has some restrictions). There are also two colours of P plate, first you get a red one then a green one. After green Ps you get your full license or "fulls".

A provisional license carries restrictions like a zero blood alcohol limit (as opposed to 0.05 for fulls) and not being able to have more than one passenger after 11pm.

The reasoning for no Bluetooth connection on Ps is to avoid "distracted driving", since you're a less experienced driver. But since you can still listen to radio/CDs/USB content on your car's in-built stereo, and you can still use a built-in GPS, it seems like a pretty arbitrary rule.

>I’m on my Ps, you’re allowed to have music / directions playing as long as you’re not looking at / using your phone while driving

No you aren't: https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/stayingsafe/mobilephones/know-the-rules.html

> Restricted licences holders including learner, P1 and P2 drivers and riders are not permitted to use their phone at all while driving or riding. This includes use of hands-free and Bluetooth functions.

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oh wow. it's a 2 cam setup, that makes sense. what happens when you have tinted windscreens? wouldn't that block the camera

Better ask that question yourself. You're advocating for destroying other people's life cause they touched their mobile.

You can only claim that on tax if its between two workplaces, not from home to work or vice versa

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Yeah that's incredibly unfair

Oh got it. we only have "L" plate where we live. and even that is not restrictive as much.

This is so fucking retarded. You can't use it for GPS. They'd rather prefer that someone use physical maps, that's legal.

I’m in Victoria, my bad (I actually didn’t realise this was the NSW subreddit if I’m honest it got recommended to me in my feed).

Our rules state

> You cannot use a mobile phone of any kind (not even a hands-free, or hand-held to message) including a GPS

Which is sounds extremely stupid, but I asked this specifically when i got my license, they said it’s fine as long as you never interact with it while you’re operating the car. So (at least in vic, maybe it’s different in NSW but the wording is similar) you can set it up and listen to audio instructions / music *before* you leave, but you can’t look at or touch your phone while driving the car.

Haha, me too. Happy cake day, homie!

Tinted windscreens are a different matter altogether. We allow the top 10% to be tinted with a darkness best described as "better than nothing"

The other 90% of the windshield needs to be clear

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Who did you ask exactly? In NSW since the rule change is recent, many people don't know about it still.

The rule you quoted pretty explicitly says you can't use your phone for GPS, even hands-free. If you happen to get caught, I don't think "but so-and-so said it was okay" will be an accepted excuse. (Unless maybe if you have it in writing from VicRoads)

oh right. i just thought maybe they had some IR camera or something to see through tinted glass. lol

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I asked the vicroads supervisor who conducted my test. Basically, it means that like looking at the GPS or pressing ur phone to do something with it is not an acceptable reason, and voice control isn’t allowed either. BUT it is pretty explicitly stated in the pamphlets they give you (alongside what the supervisor at vicroads said) that listening to music, etc is discouraged but allowed. You just cannot interact with ur phone in any capacity. AKA if it’s in ur pocket the whole time and you don’t use voice control, etc you’re ok.

As long as it says it in the pamphlet (and you've got a copy of the pamphlet) then you've got it in writing, so I guess it's fine. Must be different from NSW.

Libs out of federal government was good, now we just need them out of the state

Then they can dissolve their outdated parties which will increasingly struggle because surely the upcoming generations are not as blind to their bullshit and motivated to vote against common interest as the older folks who for some reason vote liberal.

I suppose we were expecting something like this unfortunately.

Hope the NSW govt lose if it does happen

I thought the union for the ok from the courts to take this action? If so, aren't they protected legally?

If you are going to do something, do it. Don't announce it. Wake up one morning and press the wrong button on the machines. They'll get the message.

Hopefully the libs are gonna be irrelevant in a few elections time

oi nah nah but my dad he said he said the libs always supported da army n da farmers

As long as the ‘greater good’ is cast aside no. No. I’m afraid majority do look after their own interests regardless tge costs to others

Yeah I'm sure they're fine. The NSW government already gave a false threat to illegally terminate the enterprise agreement, I expect that this is also a baseless threat.

Fucken oath.

This is the dream.

Imagine, "times are better now, there used to be this thing called the liberal party..."

"Shush darl what are you bringing up those drongos for?"

Army and farmers need mental and health support. As do we all.

Why so bloody many of us though?

Maybe I only speak for myself here but it's been an unsettling first innings living with many policies and politicians I would never choose. I'm holding out hope in the second innings that the firmest process of change is generational.

They'll just have to keep squeezing us until we freakout then.

I'll be too old to participate but I'll be cheering when the revolution comes.

🤣

This is the exact reason people eventually disconnect

People go their own way cos the stress of dealing with the system that looks after the minority results in them having no options but to do things themselves which in turn creates even more resentment towards the system until they abandon it altogether or eventually some change happens enough to keep some smiling a while

Everyone is always ready to do something at different times but rarely together

These things only change when a collective bands together. My only hope is these generations realise that, the fact they’re paying for previous generations mistakes and that the ‘revolutionary movement’ they all crave for hasn’t actually been achieved with BLM or ME2 🤔

But tbh I’d say we will need to wait another 5yrs

Exactly right about many people ready but not at the right time.

But the more I age, the less I am a stakeholder in this society of ours.

That’s what I meant by the first part

It’s a natural progression. Sadly it’s too difficult to stay angry about everything. Ultimately when faced with sh*t results and never finding change desired we leave the system behind and simply kick along