SouthernCrossAI/Reddit-posts · Datasets at Hugging Face

Assuming things work as they should, start with the community liaison officer.

Lol just try it. You already know how it's gonna go..

Isn't there Neighbourhood Watch meetings for folks of your ilk?

Just to clarify, police will not give you legal advice. They will tell you to go see a lawyer.

Do what I do, walk into the back when the gates open, and just wait for a cop to open the door for you... Then sit in the offices waiting for someone to realise your not meant to be there... And when that fails.. Yell "boom" while carrying your backpack.

Worked for me at Cairns Police station. Got a tresspass note, didn't get shot.

I call that a win

Ah definitely not a cooker/sov citizen!

Does sound a little like OP is doing some dodgy shot and doesn’t want the cops hanging around

They’re trying to get the plod to leave their bush doof alone.

Hi - yes, of course I'd be giving more specific information to the police.

I did not want to go into the specifics about the particular field/community/scene being impacted here, because I'm just after general advice & experiences re: walking into police stations with an issue.

I'm not looking to discuss my issue here, and I wouldn't come to Reddit for specific advice, that's the point :-)

haha not to sound daft but what do you mean !!

Man, I agree, don't get me wrong, completely agree. But there comes a time when you have to try and open the lines of communication and work together - even if just an earnest attempt, hey, we tried, guys. We tried.

Haha that's certainly my advice to clients when the police want to talk to them.

But in this instance, we're trying to be proactive and establish open & mutually beneficial communication between members of a particular community and the police, in a context of recent heavy police activity.

So it is a reasonably rare situation where we actually want to take the first step and talk to the police.

I have tried communicating with individual LACs, with limited success. I'm trying to get in touch via the Police Assistance Line - playing phone tag. I agree, it'd be preferable to just rocking up.

We're working with MPs who've recently got in touch on our behalf with the ministerial department ... again, hopefully some forewarning will be of benefit.

haha that's alright - I'm optimistic as ever. Have never had a negative experience with cops firsthand, for which I count myself lucky.

Maybe I'm naive, or maybe I've got too much of a Dutch approach to cops rather than Aussie, but I'm hopeful for a positive reception & line of communication. We've contacted the minister via some MPs on side so shouldn't come as a complete surprise.

Cool, that's good advice: thank you.

Community liaison is ultimately what this is about.

I mean, I'm optimistic. I've never had a negative firsthand experience with cops, for which I count myself lucky. Maybe I'm naive/a bit too western European, but I'm hopeful. We've got in touch with the minister via some MPs who are on side, so it would hopefully not be completely out of the blue.

Wish me luck! :-)

I don't think so - always took NW as more for my grandparents' "ilk" - but I'll look into it re: community engagement.

Thanks, and yeah, for sure. I am a solicitor myself - not seeking legal advice.

For what it's worth, I had some success yesterday talking to police and getting some further insight - they actually did provide some advice in terms of licensing. Not hugely helpful but professional & courteous.

If that achieved your goals then ah ... sounds good ?!

For what it's worth, I did walk into a police station on the weekend and did have a courteous & professional - if not wholly useful - conversation with an officer there.

They are, of course, open to the enquiring public at all times no different than a public hospital.

I mean, more or less haha.

The idea is to develop a more open communication with the police in order to better understand their concerns, and therefore aim to prevent unwanted police interactions.

Would be a win/win in terms of resource allocation, crime prevention, etc., which is why I'm hoping for a receptive response.

Yep, clear as MUD!

Each station has it's own personality & will treat you accordingly.

Some will be very supportive (assuming your cause warrants it) & others will treat you like someone taking up their time.

Are you talking about overly zealous HWP policing on Old Pacific Highway?

So all data is searchable right.

Your account is now associated with a suss question about NSW Police.

Your entire account history is also searchable.

Anyone wanting to find out WTF you are talking about any time from now until this data is deleted can use it to figure out pretty quickly what you mean.

Nothing good will ever come from this. The police will use you to gain intelligence on the community you represent. What you don't say is just as important as what you do say in any interview that you would have with police.

All you will do is bring further attention the group you are speaking for.

This is a bad plan. Never engage with them. Ever.

I'd be careful, personally

Those who are causing chaos in the community might call what you are doing a "dog" act

Or in Sopranos terms, a "rat"

I hope you have the ability to use more colloquial language when explaining yourself to the criminal community

If you speak like your writing style, the police may able to cut through your confusing language style, but the crims may not

It's the type of writing style where it feels like you are trying to sound intelligent, but there is little substance in your words

Goals?

Are you really a solicitor? If so how do you not have experience interacting with police?

Ok thanks! Any experiences in facilitating/encouraging the more supportive reception? What worked/didn't work for you?

Sorry for not being clearer - keeping it vague as I don't want to discuss the substance of the issue here. Just want general info re: dealing with police :-)

I am not haha, but if that's what's riling you then hopefully we get some decent pointers here on how to efficaciously raise community issues.

Ok all g.

I'm an active member/board member of a number of advocacy, law reform & activism groups (yes, some involving drugs!) that both work with and come up against police & other agencies - I've got nothing to hide on that front :-)

Thanks :-)

Yeah, see this is important stuff to consider for sure and I appreciate your perspective on it.

MPs and CCL are already involved. They're already in contact with the ministerial department.

I just want to get some direct police involvement on the issue - see what their concerns are.

It'd be letting the police do the talking, ideally. We wouldn't be saying much at all. We just want to understand what their biggest issues are so that we may work to assuage them and avoid them from arising.

Thanks again

Yeah, I get this stance, I really do.

Have already engaged with the police minister and MPs who are on side on this issue .... just want to establish some direct communication with the police who are actually on the ground.

Thanks for the feedback, I suppose!

There is deliberately very little substance in my words, because I'm trying to keep things vague and general - don't want to debate the relevant issue here; just want broad feedback about police interactions :-)

I'm not a dog, although I do fight for the underdog - and those causing chaos in the community are my mates :-)

Also, the criminal community are a damn site more literate than you seem to give them credit for - certainly more so than the cops, in my experience ;-)

So many possibilities. He might have been practicing in any of the multitude of areas of practice other than criminal law or criminal-adjacent, such as commercial litigation, civil, property, etc.

I've never had experience interacting with police in this way - i.e. as a member of the public/member of a community, walking in to discuss an issue!

Hence my interest in others' experiences in doing so :-)

Maybe review your profile and then say that again?

With respect, what is the point of this post if you're being intentionally vague?

There is a difference between street & book smarts

You describe a low socio economic, crime filled scene which does not speak to a well educated community

If all your mates are literate, why do you not employ them yourself or encourage them to further their education & get a real job?

Do you think acting as a conduit with the crims & cops will actually help, or is it to further your own sense of self importance & fulfil some kind of saviour complex?

I appreciate you my man, it'll be either the antibiotics I'm on rn or my lack of knowledge about reddit, but all I can see on my profile is my brief bio and all my old posts and I'm ok with that being linked to me and/or this post...

If someone wants to try and piece together what I might be chatting to the cops about then that's all g ... - I just didn't want to make it the focal point of this post that's all. I'm already working with multiple MPs and CCL about it ... just wanted to get some direct police involvement too :-)

I never described them as low socio economic or crime filled :-)

The community I'm involved with is neither of those things - but they ARE heavily targeted by cops, hence the current situation.

The point of being intentionally vague is that I just want general advice about walking into police stations in NSW to raise an issue. I did not want to be specific and get into a debate about the issue in this forum.

I don't know why you're making so many assumptions, and I'm sorry you've taken a dislike to me/my approach. Can't win 'em all!

Take care my man :) I wish you well.

My advice is to just not do it

Quite frankly you sound rather delusional & full of naive self importance

If you want to help the community then focus on fixing issues within the community itself to make change from within

If there has been heavy handed policing in the area, I would think it's for a reason & the police are trying in difficult circumstances to break up the crime occurring

They won't always get it right, but they have to go on a balance of probabilities

If there is heavy police involvement in the community it will likely be for a reason

Generally if everyone you speak of had honest employment, going about their legitimate business, dressed respectably, focusing on their families & living a law abiding life the police will leave them alone

Unfortunately if people in your community are acting badly & making that community as a whole a target for police, that is not the police's fault.

That's the fault of the bad apples giving your community a bad reputation

If people in your community cared about this problem then they would come down hard on the criminals themselves & ostracise them from the community

I've dealt with my fair share of bad police but the problem as you describe it is criminality, not the cops