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It’s hard hide this when you’ve plastered your questions on various pages.
May as well just be direct and ask how to get away with it
The actual act is part of occupational health and safety , which in itself is open to interpretation basically do you have enough money to pay for permits ECT , if not you are fucked , my son does events starting years back with doofs
This is easily solved by having a few staff to clean the grounds after.
Very closely to 100%.
I don't generally go to bush gatherings; more like underpasses, clearances, etc, and of course the warehouse parties.
I don't think that's the issue that's going on right now, though I do appreciate your concerns.
They're not conducting any searches or making any arrests, so doesn't appear to be targeting any drugs, at least practically speaking.
They are shutting the events down.
Ah shit! Yeah, I'm into wayyyy smaller ones.
I understand areas become risky once they become hotspots - the cops are patrolling these areas from about 10 pm every Friday and Saturday night.
The why and on what basis are the smoking gun questions.
Thanks for sharing your experiences - appreciated to hear from a veteran!
I am not involved as an organiser, host, or with ticketing etc - I wouldn’t like to be any more involved on that side of the fence than I already am, which as I said, is just helping mates out eg a bit of promotion, marketing releases, creative ideas etc.
I think all that is a bit OTT for a lot of the kind of events I’m more talking about. 20 or 30 people in an open clearance near an industrial area - I just think it’s a bit much - and again, what I’m really trying to work out is why and on what legal basis police are patrolling proactively and coming after these events.
But I reckon you’ve been involved in much bigger events than than I am or I’m into, and that’s super cool, so keep that up for sure!
By the organisers. If any individuals there are buying or selling drugs that’s their prerogative.
Thank you very much, that is genuinely very useful as I have not made contact with PIAC. Appreciate it.
For what it’s worth, I’m not personally a host or looking to host any such events. I’m simply exhausted at having six police interactions in a month. I’m tired at seeing my community and my peers attacked and destroyed, and I’m over seeing my mates fall into depression.
The community I’m part of provides a safe space for young people, women, queer people etc who have often had negative experiences with licenced venues, security etc (just this week I’ve had reports of extreme racial attacks and inappropriate touching of young women, all by security staff). If this is taken away then there really is no hope for a lot of decent, hard working, fun loving people.
Thanks again!
Im not quite getting how that directly causes state police to patrol areas and shut places down, especially when we’re talking non residential locations, entirely BYO private invite events, but anyway what I’m getting is that a large part of the issue here is purely cultural/regulatory … we need to agitate for a better way forward coming from above. I’m happy to continue that work for the betterment of those that come after.
Haha cheers bro! Times do change aye!
As I've said before, being "pilloried" by dinosaurs upholding unjust institutions/actions is the highest praise a reformer can get. Cheers again! :-)
Aww, if you actually know the laws and just dont want to say that's kinda uncool, but hey I respect your choice haha
Haha why so pressed bro
If you think I've got an agenda - then if you don't agree with it, feel free to ignore; if you do, then feel free to contribute!
Either way, all is g!
>This is easily solved by having a few staff to clean the grounds after.
Yeah 100%, any doof I've been to the hosts have huge bags at the end to deal with any rubbish, of which there is minimal.
It's a respectful community.
Yes but I'm less concerned about the rubbish than by the possible environmental impacts of holding such a gathering in or near an environmentally sensitive area that serves as a native wildlife habitat or refuge. A doof held in actual bushland - say near a protected koala habitat - for instance.
In that situation it may not be the rubbish but rather the disturbance caused to any of the remaining animals in the area that would be the worst possible impact. Animals being scared away from homes and nesting sites by the noise and lights and presence of a great many people.
And just to be clear i feel the same way about any human activity big or small that takes place in ecologically important areas, it's just that the disturbance caused by a rave is a lot bigger than most of them. But raves held in warehouses and industrial areas or big empty paddocks would seem to pose much less of a problem that way.
Consider approaching a rural landholder. I've both lent my property to one, and been to one on a paddock as a guest.
And, for the love of all that's good and wonderful HAVE TWICE the number of toilets you think you need
Public land may need approval from local council and/or Parks & Wildlife? If it’s private land I don’t think they can do anything.
I’d ask why and if they can’t prove the law has been broken and they arrest people they are going to look very silly in front of a magistrate and in the media — as long as no law has been broken, of course.
Typically we just dont use that site again for a year or more.
These events are 300-500 people
So here's the crux of your question: at what point is it just some mates hanging out > an illegal rave.
Just some mates hanging out doesn't have Organisers, to which you keep referring. Therefore it's an illegal rave.
If there's no organisers and you're truly just a couple dozen mates hanging out, then you come up into loitering laws, or possibly still gathering, and the police will seek to move you along at the very least.
Also, the police aren't dumb. They know what you're doing. You'd be surprised at how many cops attend parties and festivals in their down time (or attended raves in their youth).
When some illegal shit goes down - someone sells drugs, someone gets assaulted, someone falls over and pokes their eye out on a random milk crate behind an underpass... Who is responsible? There has to be an organiser, who is liable, has permits, has insurance, has security, has medical staff, sanitation, fire plan, etc etc. Without an organiser who is responsible for all those things, you're just some people having a party, which is illegal gathering.
And that's ultimately the answer to your question. We all know you're just trying to come up with some clever loophole or logic to keep doing what you're doing, but the reality is, it's not legal and the cops will move you along even if they can't (or can't be bothered to) charge you with anything specific.
Sorry, I can't help explain further. Enjoy your raves.
If that’s what you think was happening, you should turn in your ticket now because you’re a danger to the public.
I have to agree. I let my rural property be used for a doof like gathering, and the ONLY rubbish found was a piece of cellphone and a cigarette butt. I was amazed at how respectful everyone was of our property.
The only problem we had was keeping people off a particular area of land. We have a bio-cycle septic wastewater treatment system and..well.. there's a reason you don't want to camp in the shit paddock.
The environmental impact on ecologically sensitive areas isn't an argument for keeping raves illegal; it's an argument for decriminalising them in empty paddocks and industrial areas.
I respect that you are super passionate about the well-being of the wildlife. It’s not an issue for almost any of the stuff I’m personally involved in, but I do note it’s a genuine concern for things like the big bush doofs.
In that respect, it’d be useful to consider the myriad reasons people feel safe and comfortable at these gatherings rather than in, say, licenced venues. Racial attacks and touching of young women both by security staff are two big concerns that have happened at events just this week. Many young people, esp women, and queer identifying etc just don’t feel safe in those environments.
Of course! They're just about smart enough to realise that, I think - they're not arresting anyone. But they are shutting down & giving move-on orders. Could go to the media about that I supppose.
A year or more is pretty wild!
Yeah, super different events. Not that I don’t love the big ones but my fave are the smaller intimate ones that you can just rock up to on a Friday night. Don’t understand why the cops are targeting these.
So organiser = illegal? Wild.
Loitering and gathering laws - wild. Cultural cringe. Welcome to Oz
Will do my brother, will do !!! Have a smashing weekend yourself :-)
Please just block me, bro, if you don't like my posts. It's not healthy that you come onto all my posts when it makes you so pressed.
You're just distracting from the genuine responses (both public and especially private), and it's getting embarrassing.
Thank you, really appreciate you sharing that and it’s definitely what I’ve found to be the case.
A lot of ravers and esp doofers are pretty in tune with the environment and would genuinely wish to avoid doing any harm to it.
That seems fair to me.
>It’s not an issue for almost any of the stuff I’m personally involved in,
It is an issue. And that's part of why it's illegal. People thinking it isn't an issue, and thinking a bunch of stuff isn't an issue, when it is.
Well it sounds like you have the choice of moving to a new set of locations, or go ask the cops/council what is required, and try to be compliant.
They will help you follow the rules - but you will have less freedom
It's illegal either way. But if there's an organiser there's a person who did something specific they can lay multiple charges on. If there's an organiser, and ticket sales, you can't pretend to be a bunch of mates having a car boot hangout or a late night barbecue.
If you want it to be not illegal, then the organiser has to have checked off all the abovementioned legal requirements, especially permits, taxes, and safety issues. But they'll do you for anything on that list, or everything. And if they're feeling bored or you annoyed them, they'll detain and search everyone present and start handing out drugs charges, and possibly confiscate your decks. Needs to be signed off for safe electrical as well.
Jesus Christ.
Yes or no: have you considered the professional conduct consequences of crowd sourcing legal advice from strangers, as a person purporting to be a solicitor?
Second question: do you understand the first question?
Third question: if you insist on crowsourcing the answer, why don’t you do the obvious thing and ask, I dunno, an event promoter or a local council who routinely deal with the many various and overlapping laws concerning planning and holding events like the type you describe instead of conducting yourself in a way online that brings the profession into disrepute.
Fourth question: does your principal solicitor know you’re doing this, and if so, why haven’t they stopped you?
I was responding to the specific concerns raised about wildlife and animals.
It’s literally not an issue for the stuff I’m personally involved in cos they’re eighty percent warehouse parties and twenty percent underpass doofs haha
See I’d just say Option 3 - move back to Berlin … but I genuinely want things to be better here for those who come after me.
Thanks again, genuinely do appreciate your feedback bro. Part of me wants to fight to improve Sydney for the next generation, but the other part of me wants to just go back to Berlin. Cultural cringe, livin on the fringe. Que sera sera and keep the party going.
You think underpasses don't have wildlife considerations when they're built?
Yeah 100% man / the difference is the regs and licensing. You can have a dece rave even at a licenced venue
That's slightly amusing to me, when I lived in Germany some years ago and was doing parties and festivals there, even with protests and illegal squats, we were always very conforming to the rules.
I replied privately, but so that's on the public record - the answers are yes; yes; of course I'm doing that and a hell lot more; and yes.
I've got a great deal of useful responses privately, and a few publicly. Also a hell of a lot of support from MPs and advocacy organisations this week.
Nonetheless, 2-3 redditors seem to follow my posts in different subreddits just to leave patronising commentary.
If my posts don't interest you, just don't click on them. Go further and block me, then you won't have to see them. Easy.
The habit of these 2-3 redditors of consistently going onto different posts of mine just to post condescending and unhelpful messages is beginning to become harassment.
I've asked you to ignore my posts, or to block me. Further communication and I'll just report you guys.
Cheers, and have a great weekend ahead.
Haha fk yea I appreciate that! I’m more of a fan of the underground scene, but ultimately whatever gets cunts on the d floor I’m happy !!!! Keep it going, yeah !!!
So sorry if not allowed. I'd post in rSydney but the sub is currently restricted. I haven't been able to get a straight answer through searching online resources. Any help at all would be very much appreciated
You will need to look at the strata rules. You should receive a copy when you buy your unit.
They changed the law recently, they can only ban on grounds of danger/being a nuisance to other residents. +1 look at the strata bylaws but it's not legal to generally ban pets anymore.
I thought this site was quite good
https://ohlaw.com.au/2021/10/01/pets-in-strata-nsw-laws/
Check the strata bylaws about dogs on any apartment that you want to buy. That should tell you the process as well
They can’t blanket ban . Check the bylaws , you’d have to advise the strata and see if yes or no is the majority vote. Present a strong case about them not being a nuisance, identify breed/gender/whether desexed and council registered or not as they’ll ask
Check if building under strata management or if it is company title. If strata, they can’t prohibit without reason under NSW law. If company title building they can prohibit entirely.
is it really a good idea to have a dog in an apartment?
dogs are social animals, and apartments generaly have the soundproofing of a rice cracker.

It’s hard hide this when you’ve plastered your questions on various pages.

May as well just be direct and ask how to get away with it

The actual act is part of occupational health and safety , which in itself is open to interpretation basically do you have enough money to pay for permits ECT , if not you are fucked , my son does events starting years back with doofs

This is easily solved by having a few staff to clean the grounds after.

Very closely to 100%.

I don't generally go to bush gatherings; more like underpasses, clearances, etc, and of course the warehouse parties.

I don't think that's the issue that's going on right now, though I do appreciate your concerns.

They're not conducting any searches or making any arrests, so doesn't appear to be targeting any drugs, at least practically speaking.

They are shutting the events down.

Ah shit! Yeah, I'm into wayyyy smaller ones.

I understand areas become risky once they become hotspots - the cops are patrolling these areas from about 10 pm every Friday and Saturday night.

The why and on what basis are the smoking gun questions.

Thanks for sharing your experiences - appreciated to hear from a veteran!

I am not involved as an organiser, host, or with ticketing etc - I wouldn’t like to be any more involved on that side of the fence than I already am, which as I said, is just helping mates out eg a bit of promotion, marketing releases, creative ideas etc.

I think all that is a bit OTT for a lot of the kind of events I’m more talking about. 20 or 30 people in an open clearance near an industrial area - I just think it’s a bit much - and again, what I’m really trying to work out is why and on what legal basis police are patrolling proactively and coming after these events.

But I reckon you’ve been involved in much bigger events than than I am or I’m into, and that’s super cool, so keep that up for sure!

By the organisers. If any individuals there are buying or selling drugs that’s their prerogative.

Thank you very much, that is genuinely very useful as I have not made contact with PIAC. Appreciate it.

For what it’s worth, I’m not personally a host or looking to host any such events. I’m simply exhausted at having six police interactions in a month. I’m tired at seeing my community and my peers attacked and destroyed, and I’m over seeing my mates fall into depression.

The community I’m part of provides a safe space for young people, women, queer people etc who have often had negative experiences with licenced venues, security etc (just this week I’ve had reports of extreme racial attacks and inappropriate touching of young women, all by security staff). If this is taken away then there really is no hope for a lot of decent, hard working, fun loving people.

Thanks again!

Im not quite getting how that directly causes state police to patrol areas and shut places down, especially when we’re talking non residential locations, entirely BYO private invite events, but anyway what I’m getting is that a large part of the issue here is purely cultural/regulatory … we need to agitate for a better way forward coming from above. I’m happy to continue that work for the betterment of those that come after.

Haha cheers bro! Times do change aye!

As I've said before, being "pilloried" by dinosaurs upholding unjust institutions/actions is the highest praise a reformer can get. Cheers again! :-)

Aww, if you actually know the laws and just dont want to say that's kinda uncool, but hey I respect your choice haha

Haha why so pressed bro

If you think I've got an agenda - then if you don't agree with it, feel free to ignore; if you do, then feel free to contribute!

Either way, all is g!

>This is easily solved by having a few staff to clean the grounds after.

Yeah 100%, any doof I've been to the hosts have huge bags at the end to deal with any rubbish, of which there is minimal.

It's a respectful community.

Yes but I'm less concerned about the rubbish than by the possible environmental impacts of holding such a gathering in or near an environmentally sensitive area that serves as a native wildlife habitat or refuge. A doof held in actual bushland - say near a protected koala habitat - for instance.

In that situation it may not be the rubbish but rather the *disturbance* caused to any of the remaining animals in the area that would be the worst possible impact. Animals being scared away from homes and nesting sites by the noise and lights and presence of a great many people.

And just to be clear i feel the same way about any human activity big or small that takes place in ecologically important areas, it's just that the disturbance caused by a rave is a lot bigger than most of them. But raves held in warehouses and industrial areas or big empty paddocks would seem to pose much less of a problem that way.

Consider approaching a rural landholder. I've both lent my property to one, and been to one on a paddock as a guest.

And, for the love of all that's good and wonderful HAVE TWICE the number of toilets you think you need

Public land may need approval from local council and/or Parks & Wildlife? If it’s private land I don’t think they can do anything.

I’d ask why and if they can’t prove the law has been broken and they arrest people they are going to look very silly in front of a magistrate and in the media — as long as no law has been broken, of course.

Typically we just dont use that site again for a year or more.

These events are 300-500 people

So here's the crux of your question: at what point is it just some mates hanging out > an illegal rave.

Just some mates hanging out doesn't have *Organisers*, to which you keep referring. Therefore it's an illegal rave.

If there's no organisers and you're truly just a couple dozen mates hanging out, then you come up into loitering laws, or possibly still gathering, and the police will seek to move you along at the very least.

Also, the police aren't dumb. They know what you're doing. You'd be surprised at how many cops attend parties and festivals in their down time (or attended raves in their youth).

When some illegal shit goes down - someone sells drugs, someone gets assaulted, someone falls over and pokes their eye out on a random milk crate behind an underpass... Who is responsible? There has to be an organiser, who is liable, has permits, has insurance, has security, has medical staff, sanitation, fire plan, etc etc. Without an organiser who is responsible for all those things, you're just some people having a party, which is illegal gathering.

And that's ultimately the answer to your question. We all know you're just trying to come up with some clever loophole or logic to keep doing what you're doing, but the reality is, it's not legal and the cops will move you along even if they can't (or can't be bothered to) charge you with anything specific.

Sorry, I can't help explain further. Enjoy your raves.

If that’s what you think was happening, you should turn in your ticket now because you’re a danger to the public.

I have to agree. I let my rural property be used for a doof like gathering, and the ONLY rubbish found was a piece of cellphone and a cigarette butt. I was amazed at how respectful everyone was of our property.

The only problem we had was keeping people off a particular area of land. We have a bio-cycle septic wastewater treatment system and..well.. there's a reason you don't want to camp in the shit paddock.

The environmental impact on ecologically sensitive areas isn't an argument for keeping raves illegal; it's an argument for decriminalising them in empty paddocks and industrial areas.

I respect that you are super passionate about the well-being of the wildlife. It’s not an issue for almost any of the stuff I’m personally involved in, but I do note it’s a genuine concern for things like the big bush doofs.

In that respect, it’d be useful to consider the myriad reasons people feel safe and comfortable at these gatherings rather than in, say, licenced venues. Racial attacks and touching of young women both by security staff are two big concerns that have happened at events just this week. Many young people, esp women, and queer identifying etc just don’t feel safe in those environments.

Of course! They're just about smart enough to realise that, I think - they're not arresting anyone. But they are shutting down & giving move-on orders. Could go to the media about that I supppose.

A year or more is pretty wild!

Yeah, super different events. Not that I don’t love the big ones but my fave are the smaller intimate ones that you can just rock up to on a Friday night. Don’t understand why the cops are targeting these.

So organiser = illegal? Wild.

Loitering and gathering laws - wild. Cultural cringe. Welcome to Oz

Will do my brother, will do !!! Have a smashing weekend yourself :-)

Please just block me, bro, if you don't like my posts. It's not healthy that you come onto all my posts when it makes you so pressed.

You're just distracting from the genuine responses (both public and especially private), and it's getting embarrassing.

Thank you, really appreciate you sharing that and it’s definitely what I’ve found to be the case.

A lot of ravers and esp doofers are pretty in tune with the environment and would genuinely wish to avoid doing any harm to it.

That seems fair to me.

>It’s not an issue for almost any of the stuff I’m personally involved in,

It is an issue. And that's part of why it's illegal. People thinking it isn't an issue, and thinking a bunch of stuff isn't an issue, when it is.

Well it sounds like you have the choice of moving to a new set of locations, or go ask the cops/council what is required, and try to be compliant.

They will help you follow the rules - but you will have less freedom

It's illegal either way. But if there's an organiser there's a person who did something specific they can lay multiple charges on. If there's an organiser, and ticket sales, you can't pretend to be a bunch of mates having a car boot hangout or a late night barbecue.

If you want it to be not illegal, then the organiser has to have checked off all the abovementioned legal requirements, especially permits, taxes, and safety issues. But they'll do you for anything on that list, or everything. And if they're feeling bored or you annoyed them, they'll detain and search everyone present and start handing out drugs charges, and possibly confiscate your decks. Needs to be signed off for safe electrical as well.

Jesus Christ.

Yes or no: have you considered the professional conduct consequences of crowd sourcing legal advice from strangers, as a person purporting to be a solicitor?

Second question: do you understand the first question?

Third question: if you insist on crowsourcing the answer, why don’t you do the obvious thing and ask, I dunno, an event promoter or a local council who routinely deal with the many various and overlapping laws concerning planning and holding events like the type you describe instead of conducting yourself in a way online that brings the profession into disrepute.

Fourth question: does your principal solicitor know you’re doing this, and if so, why haven’t they stopped you?

I was responding to the specific concerns raised about wildlife and animals.

It’s literally not an issue for the stuff I’m personally involved in cos they’re eighty percent warehouse parties and twenty percent underpass doofs haha

See I’d just say Option 3 - move back to Berlin … but I genuinely want things to be better here for those who come after me.

Thanks again, genuinely do appreciate your feedback bro. Part of me wants to fight to improve Sydney for the next generation, but the other part of me wants to just go back to Berlin. Cultural cringe, livin on the fringe. Que sera sera and keep the party going.

You think underpasses don't have wildlife considerations when they're built?

Yeah 100% man / the difference is the regs and licensing. You can have a dece rave even at a licenced venue

That's slightly amusing to me, when I lived in Germany some years ago and was doing parties and festivals there, even with protests and illegal squats, we were always very conforming to the rules.

I replied privately, but so that's on the public record - the answers are yes; yes; of course I'm doing that and a hell lot more; and yes.

I've got a great deal of useful responses privately, and a few publicly. Also a hell of a lot of support from MPs and advocacy organisations this week.

Nonetheless, 2-3 redditors seem to follow my posts in different subreddits just to leave patronising commentary.

If my posts don't interest you, just don't click on them. Go further and block me, then you won't have to see them. Easy.

The habit of these 2-3 redditors of consistently going onto different posts of mine just to post condescending and unhelpful messages is beginning to become harassment.

I've asked you to ignore my posts, or to block me. Further communication and I'll just report you guys.

Cheers, and have a great weekend ahead.

Haha fk yea I appreciate that! I’m more of a fan of the underground scene, but ultimately whatever gets cunts on the d floor I’m happy !!!! Keep it going, yeah !!!

So sorry if not allowed. I'd post in rSydney but the sub is currently restricted. I haven't been able to get a straight answer through searching online resources. Any help at all would be very much appreciated

You will need to look at the strata rules. You should receive a copy when you buy your unit.

They changed the law recently, they can only ban on grounds of danger/being a nuisance to other residents. +1 look at the strata bylaws but it's not legal to generally ban pets anymore.

I thought this site was quite good

https://ohlaw.com.au/2021/10/01/pets-in-strata-nsw-laws/

Check the strata bylaws about dogs on any apartment that you want to buy. That should tell you the process as well

They can’t blanket ban . Check the bylaws , you’d have to advise the strata and see if yes or no is the majority vote. Present a strong case about them not being a nuisance, identify breed/gender/whether desexed and council registered or not as they’ll ask

Check if building under strata management or if it is company title. If strata, they can’t prohibit without reason under NSW law. If company title building they can prohibit entirely.

is it really a good idea to have a dog in an apartment?

dogs are social animals, and apartments generaly have the soundproofing of a rice cracker.