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He tried and failed at a coup. We can't claim to be the land of the free and the home of the brave, if we let that stand.
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After that fucking atrociously anti-democratic Georgia call today, he needs to be more than impeached. He needs to brought up on charges the moment he leaves office. We need to set a precedent that no other presidents will be able to act like this again. He’s done permanent damage to our democracy and that cannot go overlooked.
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Yes, immediately. Just play his own words and vote. Send it to the Senate and let the Republicans vote to not remove him again. Put them on record as many times as you can as standing by this traitor.
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I agree... twice is nice for a 1 termer.
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Just like Al Capone got thrown in jail for mundane tax evasion, it would be sweet if trump got impeached twice for 2 stupid phone calls.
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Collins still wouldn't vote to convict. Fuck you, Susan.
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11 senators (to be) still want to overturn it. Republicans have no spine. The cabinet should be ashamed they haven’t invoked the 25th. So few of them will stay in politics, so what does it matter for their political future?
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Stop him from running for President again: "Under the Constitution, the possible punishments for an impeached official are limited to two: removal and [disqualification from ever holding office again](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/trump-s-pardons-are-worth-second-impeachment-inquiry-n1252456). No monetary fines, no jail time; political crimes are met with political repercussions." Just turn him off, Madame Speaker.
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Might as well, though once again it won't change anything. Republicans have no shame, no honor, no integrity, etc.
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The Republican Senate will just refuse to convict Trump again. Aside from a select few, the Republicans in Congress largely don't care what crimes he commits. I'm more interested if state prosecutors and federal prosecutors will go after Trump after he leaves office.
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Yes just do it, nothing to lose now. If McConnell can fasttrack a judge, democrats can impeach again. At least go on record as only twice impeached president.
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Step 1, flip Georgia for the Senate. Step 2, impeach in the House. Step 3, Democratic controlled Senate promises a full impeachment. Step 4, everyone realizes it can't be done in 11 days.
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Here's the thing. We still need to win those two Senate seats in Georgia. Election Day for those runoffs is Tuesday the 5th. And as we know, Biden's Inauguration is the 20th. So assuming that Pelosi doesn't want to risk alienating GA voters at the last minute, the earliest they could begin proceedings would be Wednesday the 6th. And I really don't know if they'd be able to even conduct another Impeachment, much less get to the Senate for a vote, in just 15 days. **but I'd sure like to see them try** O:-)
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Hey remember when - making some money off a shady real estate deal meant you should be impeached? - having an affair should be reason for impeachment - lying - about anything, sex, etc - reason for impeachment - having 4 people die from Ebola was cause for impeachment - remember 4 people dying in Bengazi was cause for impeachment? [And other reasons the GOP said Obama should be impeached](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Barack_Obama) So that means this calls for .....?
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25th Amendment now! Trump is clearly deranged. Who knows what he will do to try and stay in power. I know that most in the government will not obey orders that are against the constitution, but what happens if he shows up on TV and asks for his 70 million followers he thinks he has, because they voted for him, to literally fight in a civil war to keep him in power?
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And then drag this dumpster fire of a human out of the White House by his weird ass wig.
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Hey Georgia voters here's your chance to impeach and convict a sitting president.
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I am totally for it. They are only in session Wednesday, so play the full tape and have the vote and he is impeached again.
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No, we need the top dogs of the GOP to put on their grown up pants and tell him to resign, like Nixon was told. America, or Trump -- Time to choose.
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Wait until Jan 20, and put him behind bars.
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Nearly a quarter of Congress has lined up behind his false allegations of election fraud. They are currently engaging in a political coup. Sadly, We are well past impeachment. This appears to be far more serious.
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I wrote my Rep and Senators to call for this. This is unacceptable.
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I find it frustrating how many people say “only reason he was impeached is because the Democrats don’t like him,” especially because Republicans liking him was only the reason he was acquitted
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“He learned his lessons” - Susan Collins probably
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Abso-fucking-lutely. Tomorrow. Make it the first act of the new Congress. Leave no room for doubt in the annals of history that we did all we could to end this madness.
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The House needs to vote to impeach Trump TOMORROW. Bonus - the president cannot pardon in cases of impeachment.
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If we don't then it's probably going to be normalized.
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They guy just spouts off random crap he heard on OAN or whatever other news channel he watched that day, and when he’s told he’s wrong, he just insults the other side. A real winning strategy. I’ve said it a hundred times before, but the levels of just absolute conspiracy theory you would have to come to accept in order to buy into what this lunatic is saying is astounding. And what’s even more astounding (and sad and terrifying) is the number of people that still appear to support this guy and are even willing to object to the certification of the electoral college votes. I honestly lose more and more hope in the future of our democracy each day that people continue to support and enable this guy. Screw trump and his anti democratic bs.
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18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
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Treason trial 2021!
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Screw impeachment. Lock him the fuck up!
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Let’s be clear, we have Mitch McConnell and his cronies to thank for Trump. They had a chance to remove him from office and chose not to. If you don’t blame them, you aren’t paying attention.
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Si se puede
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Charges should be brought up. No president Democrat, Republican, or otherwise should ever undermine our democratic process. This is setting a horrible precedent
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not enough time for that. and without knowing wich way georga is gonna turn the senate could very well do the exact same thing as last time. i bet Dingleberry flees the country
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IMPEACH his dumbass!
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That takes too long. Declare him insane and remove him.
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I'm pretty sure Trump could make a televised speech detailing his various crimes, and how they're illegal, and that he did them intentionally with no remorse -- and conservative voters would still want to give him the "benefit of the doubt" and not believe he did anything wrong.
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> “Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted,” the group wrote. “The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived.” > > The comments were authored by Ashton Carter, Dick Cheney, William Cohen, Mark Esper, Robert Gates, Chuck Hagel, James Mattis, Leon Panetta, William Perry and Donald Rumsfeld. Two of those men, Esper and Mattis, served in the Trump administration. I feel very, very strange writing that I agree with Dick Cheney, Jams Mattis, and Donald Rumsfeld, but this op-ed is spot on. It's unacceptable to question the election results. Our election was free and fair. Joe Biden won. There's no more use in fighting or throwing a tantrum: it's time to accept the results and respect our system of government and its operation.
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Then impeach and remove so he can never hold office again. They can ram this through just like they filled that supreme court seat.
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If Trump expended as much energy trying to deal with the pandemic as he has trying to overturn the election, he would have a second term.
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The fact that not a single GOP voter interviewed believes that Biden won the election is beyond disheartening. It's not surprising, but still. Damn.
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Im just going to put this out there that after January 5th you will never again see Kelly Loeffler in a trucker hat, plaid shirt, and jeans. I mean, if I had my wishes we would never see her again at all, but she won’t be dressing like she works at Home Depot anymore for sure.
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Terrorists threats
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the republican party is a terrorist organization
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Hmmm.. this makes me nervous that the threats and even just the police presence will make some folks scared to even go to polls now..
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This is in America. This isnt being done in some foreign country, by some foreign terrorist group. No, this crazy ass shit is happening here. No pointing the finger at someone else on this one.
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> Since the series of email threats were uncovered, Cherokee County officials said they had learned of several other counties that had received the same email. The contents of the message have not been released and the source not yet identified. > >However, the emails have garnered the attention of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) and FBI which both acknowledged to 11Alive that they were aware of the threat in question. The GBI didn't say exactly how many or specifically which counties, other than Cherokee, received the ominous message. > >Meanwhile, the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office attempted to calm any fears surrounding the message - or voting in general - by assuring the public that arrangements had already been made before the threat to have deputies, marshals, and police at each of the county's 40 polling locations.
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When is the MAGA cult going to be acknowledged for what they are — a collection of terror cells.
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It’s called terrorism. Let’s not pretend it’s anything else.
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I could never imagine a time where I was on the same side of the table as fucking Cheney. I feel like I should shower.
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Another meaningless warning from a “former” this or that, who take no risk in stating the obvious. Can we get someone with power and a spine to stand up to Trump already?
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And their warning comes with all of the authority that ex-pentagon chiefs carry...
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Good so any fringe cooperation from the military in an attempted coup can lead to criminal punishment against those who direct or carry out the orders. That's probably a good thing to have high profile on record saying right about now.
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>Iran has vowed to avenge the killing, and U.S. officials said in recent days that they are on heightened alert for potential Iranian attack on U.S. forces or interests in the Middle East. I think we should turn Trump over to the Iranians as a show of peace.
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It's also a veiled warning to any military brass considering obeying his illegal orders. It's terrifying that it needs to be said.
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This is not out of the blue. Something happened.
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Lafayette Park was full of people non-violently protesting police brutality late Monday afternoon when U.S. Park Police and National Guard troops, used tear gas.
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This is extraordinary, and has never happened before. You have to ask yourself why they felt compelled to speak out ? Edit to add. Somebody must be ringing alarm bells behind the scenes.
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Suggests there have been extreme WH efforts and plans moving around lately. Not unexpected but there haven't been particular news reports so for me would have been guessing. The next 19 days cannot go by fast enough for my taste.
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It's time for the former presidents and the heads of the largest companies and banks to denounce, too.
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Cheney? Didn’t know lizards knew how to write. Still,k this is a good thing,
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All of the reasons they give to not do it are the reasons Trump would. Uncharted territory is chaos, and chaos is easy to manipulate and control when you have the power. Break it and use the pieces as you like., just like a hostile takeover.
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It’s too late. No quarter for the Republican traitors who have been lobbing Molotov cocktails at the Constitution for months and now expect us to respect them for “standing up” for the right thing. Fuck em. There’s no such thing as a part-time traitor, and a coup attempted in slow motion is still a coup.
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Not gonna lie...did not expect this guy to use common sense...
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Cotton's status has been upgraded to a POS
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Bold strategy cotton, let’s see if it pays off for him.
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Cotton warns their efforts *"...may establish 'unwise precedents'."* No shit Ollie.
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"Conservative colleagues" is a strange way of spelling seditionists.
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I never want to miss an opportunity to comment on the bobble throated slap dick from Arkansas. Even when I agree with him.
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When the party you’re at fills up with nutters and Nazis, it’s time to ask yourself why the fuck are you still at that party
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This guy didn't get the memo. The Republican Party is post-democracy, which is a necessity for a personality cult. Sad so many of them have nothing to offer their constituents beyond their slavish devotion to the Tremendous Orange God Emperor who should be president-for-life.
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Don't like being associated with the GOP? Here's an idea: change parties.
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He'll be as safe in jail as Epstein was.
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Dick Cheney is the protagonist of this article, and with good reason. I've seen enough. Someone please call the mothership and have them pick me up. I need to get back to Arcturus and stay there.
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If the intended audience for this letter is the military itself maybe the writers fear Trump has more support than we might think.
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Trump thinks he has the support of the military He's wrong
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How come this news story is repeatedly posted but every news story about donald’s corrupt call to the Georgia Secretary of State gets removed? Can’t find that news story on r/news either. Seems like a big deal.
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He would rather see this country burn than accept defeat or give up his power.
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Who would have thunk Trump would declare war on his own country to stroke his own ego? Oh, wait, shits tons of us did.
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“In an extraordinary rebuke of President Donald Trump, all 10 living former secretaries of defense cautioned Sunday against any move to involve the military in pursuing claims of election fraud, arguing that it would take the country into “dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory.” The 10 men, both Democrats and Republicans, signed on to an opinion article published in The Washington Post that implicitly questioned Trump's willingness to follow his Constitutional duty to peacefully relinquish power on Jan. 20. Following the Nov. 3 election and subsequent recounts in some states, as well as unsuccessful court challenges, the outcome is clear, they wrote, while not specifying Trump in the article. “The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived,” they wrote. The former Pentagon chiefs warned against use of the military in any effort to change the outcome. “Efforts to involve the U.S. armed forces in resolving election disputes would take us into dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory,” they wrote. “Civilian and military officials who direct or carry out such measures would be accountable, including potentially facing criminal penalties, for the grave consequences of their actions on our republic.” A number of senior military officers, including Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have said publicly in recent weeks that the military has no role in determining the outcome of U.S. elections and that their loyalty is to the Constitution, not to an individual leader or a political party.”
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So it's treason, then.
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Ted Cruz is not a good person.
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>Stop the Steal ... is just as big a branding lie as making America great. It seems trumps slogans are always a statement of the opposite.
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>" I just want to find 11,780 votes" So Georgia has lost 10,616 people to covid. Should be more than enough in a couple days.
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One of the tricks he uses is he will state a lie, the other side flat out refutes it, he immediately changes the subject, minutes later he's back with the same lie again. You could hear what he is looking for in this function when he pointed out that the lawyer was initially strong in his statement and after being battered by trumps confuso-beam sounded less sure. All of trumps tactics are built around wearing the opponents will to fight down. This is what he learned from Joseph Mccarthy's lawyer Roy Cohn. There is no such thing as going too low, you're not trying to win the case, you're trying to wear the opponent down to the point they no longer want to even be involved in the dispute and just walk away. In summary be disgusting and be relentless. This is all trump does ever.
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Is what trump does whenever he's about to do something wrong, says someone else is doing it, then hides behind everyones back and does it himself while they're too busy blaming someone else.
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I wonder how many red states Trump tried and succeeded in getting officials to "find votes." Republicans sure seem to love projection, why wouldn't they be doing it when screaming about a rigged election..
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I listened to the entire hour-long call and it is more shocking than you are imagining. Holy shit
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I highly recommend Timothy Snyder's "On Tyranny" - it's a 120-120-something page guide to how to keep from slipping into a dictatorship.
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Gee, I wonder who it was that put Trump in a position that made him feel empowered and enabled to do so.
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Ok what’s happening behind closed doors? Why are they making this statement and why are they doing it today?
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Cheney and Rumsfeld both signed this. You KNOW shit's fucked up when it's too much for them.
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Remember just like...two weeks ago, an article came out that said he personally called and lobbied 150 republicans? That's a lot of times that he's broken federal election laws! That's a lot of consecutive 5 year prison sentences! https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-throw-election-republicans-b1777377.html
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...they may condemn it publicly, but their actions over the last four years suggest that many are supportive in private.
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> Cruz responded to critics by urging lawmakers "to tone down the rhetoric," per Politico. >"This is already a volatile situation. It's like a tinder box and throwing lit matches into it and so I think the kind of hyperbole we're seeing, the kind of angry language." Trump's gaslighting has been bad the past 4 years, but jesus the audacity of Cruz to say this as he is pouring gasoline on this dumpster fire of an election year is dumbfounding
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> Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) warned opposing the certifying of votes as it could "establish unwise precedents" and "take away the power to choose the president from the people." Really surprised that [Tom "Send In The Troops" Cotton](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.html) is the voice of reason here.
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Guess who's not getting a Medal of Freedom
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The fact that it’s not all of them disgusts me.
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While, I guess, I can respect the 7 members of the Republican House who refused to come onboard for this, at the same time: it's such a little action in light of how far the GOP has gone and they still manage to attack things like mail-in ballots without cause. And, even worse, the fact that only 7 members are willing to sign up for not overturn a free and fair election really reflects poorly on the Republican party.
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