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From: [email protected] (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Playoff Hockey Pool: Game 1 standings Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard Lines: 224 Here are the standings after game 1 of each of the divisional semi-finals. (Hey, look who's #4!) I'll try to post the standings after "each game" (i.e. every two days). I managed to recover the email lost up to Saturday night, so all I'm missing is mail that arrived between early Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon. Many people re-sent their teams, so you may have received two replies back from me. If your team name is not on this list, please resend your team to me and I'll see what I can do. Any kind of "proof" you sent it on the weekend will help your case. :-) Seriously, this is only a fun pool and I trust each person to be honest. Again, sorry for any inconvenience, and I hope the pool is still fun for you. - Andrew USENET Hockey Playoff Draft Standings Posn Team Pts Rem Last Posn 1. Sneddon Scorers 43 25 (--) 2. The Borg 42 25 (--) Dave Wessels 42 25 (--) 4. Bruce's Rented Mules 41 25 (--) Great Expectations 41 25 (--) Hurricane Andrew 41 25 (--) Jerky Boys 41 24 (--) Homesick Hawaiian 41 25 (--) 9. give you money monday 40 25 (--) Einstien's Punk Band 40 25 (--) 11. Zipper Heads 39 25 (--) Tapio Repo 39 25 (--) Detroit Homeboy 39 25 (--) the dead ducks 39 25 (--) Mike Burger 39 25 (--) Test Department 39 25 (--) Team Elvis 39 25 (--) Craig team 39 25 (--) 19. Skate or Die 38 25 (--) Debbie Bowles 38 25 (--) Fuzzfaces Galore 38 25 (--) suds 38 25 (--) The Campi Machine 38 25 (--) zachmans wingers 38 25 (--) Sean Forbes 38 25 (--) Threepeat 38 25 (--) Flamming Senators 38 25 (--) Team Awesome 38 25 (--) A.P. BURY 38 25 (--) PURDUE RICKS PENS 38 25 (--) GB Flyers 38 25 (--) Seppo Kemppainen 38 25 (--) 33. Paige Faults 37 25 (--) weenies 37 25 (--) chris roney 37 25 (--) Rednecks from Hockey Hell 37 25 (--) Dog's Hog's 37 25 (--) Mind Sweepers 37 25 (--) Teem Kanada 37 25 (--) Northern Lights 37 25 (--) Fugazi 37 25 (--) Delaware Destroyers 37 25 (--) Mopar Muscle Men 37 25 (--) Lance Hill The Boston Bruins Fa 37 25 (--) garryola 37 25 (--) Oakville Brothers 37 25 (--) Sam & His Dogs 37 25 (--) Cluster Buster 37 24 (--) Jan Stein 37 25 (--) frank's little wankers 37 25 (--) Milton Keynes Kings 37 25 (--) The promise land 37 25 (--) Rangers Of Destiny 37 25 (--) 54. New Zealand Leafs 36 25 (--) Loaded Weapons 36 25 (--) Bloom County All-Stars 36 25 (--) Robarts Research Rebels 36 25 (--) Tiger Chung Lees 36 25 (--) goddess of fermentation 36 25 (--) make beliefs 36 25 (--) Rob Del Mundo 36 25 (--) Heikki Salmi 36 25 (--) The Underwriters 36 25 (--) Muller n Walker 36 25 (--) Controversy Warriors 36 25 (--) Bjorkloven 36 25 (--) Norway Killerwhales 36 25 (--) Holsteins SFB 36 25 (--) buffalo soldiers 36 25 (--) Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears 36 25 (--) FRACK ATTACK 36 25 (--) Houdini's Magicians 36 25 (--) The ^&#@$#$% Rangers of 1940 36 24 (--) Rangers Blow 36 25 (--) 75. Dave Hiebert 35 25 (--) Yan Loke 35 25 (--) Canadian Gladiators 35 25 (--) littlest giants 35 25 (--) Alf's All-Stars 35 25 (--) The Ice Kickers 35 25 (--) Beer Makes Me An Expert 35 25 (--) Force 25 35 25 (--) Mr Creosote 35 25 (--) The Goobmeister 35 25 (--) The Mulberry Maulers 35 25 (--) Rev's Rebels 35 25 (--) BOSSE 35 25 (--) Zippety Doodah 35 25 (--) Kramer George and Jerry 35 25 (--) DehraDun Maawalis 35 25 (--) Sludge 35 25 (--) j's rock'em sock'ems 35 25 (--) brians bloodletters 35 25 (--) Grant Marven 35 25 (--) Arctic Circles 35 25 (--) all the kane's men 35 25 (--) trevor's triumph 35 25 (--) Mark And Steve Dreaming Again 35 25 (--) Goaldingers 35 25 (--) Bjoern Leaguen 35 25 (--) Habs Playing Golf 35 25 (--) 102. Shigella 34 25 (--) New Jersey Rob 34 25 (--) Steves Superstars 34 25 (--) Big Bay Bombers 34 25 (--) Doug Bowles 34 25 (--) Neural Netters 34 25 (--) LIPPE 34 25 (--) Lets Go Pandas 34 25 (--) Les Raisins 34 25 (--) Daves knee jerk picks 34 25 (--) Monica Loke 34 25 (--) Jason team 34 25 (--) RENEB 34 25 (--) Schott Shooters 34 25 (--) Gilles Carmel 34 25 (--) Lewey's Lakers 34 25 (--) smithw 34 25 (--) East City Jokers 34 25 (--) Daryl Turner 34 25 (--) Doug Mraz 34 25 (--) Skriko Wolves 34 25 (--) IceMachine 34 25 (--) Lamp Lighters 34 25 (--) On Thin Ice 34 25 (--) JOE'S A CRAK HEAD 34 25 (--) 127. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 33 25 (--) Comfortably Numb 33 25 (--) Reksa fans of Oulu 33 25 (--) Gail Hiebert 33 25 (--) gee man 33 25 (--) But Wait Theres more 33 25 (--) marcs maulers 33 25 (--) Danielle Leblanc 33 25 (--) Bobby Schmautz Fan Club 33 25 (--) Ottawa Bearcats 33 25 (--) Boops Bets 33 25 (--) triple X 33 25 (--) Timo Ojala 33 25 (--) Flying pigs 33 25 (--) 141. The Eradicators 32 25 (--) Van Isle Colonists 32 25 (--) Commitments 32 25 (--) bure's blur 32 25 (--) Great Scott 32 25 (--) weasels 32 25 (--) Tequila Shooters 32 25 (--) Whiters 32 25 (--) Frasses Faceplants 32 25 (--) High Stickers 32 25 (--) Mak Paranjape 32 25 (--) Lord Stanley's Favourites 32 25 (--) San Jose Mahi Mahi 32 25 (--) Oz 32 25 (--) E.I.S 32 25 (--) Mann Mariners 32 24 (--) JFZ Dream Team 32 25 (--) Stacey Ross 32 25 (--) Louisiana Psycho Killers 32 25 (--) La Coupe Stainless 32 25 (--) 161. fighting amish 31 25 (--) Evan Pritchard 31 25 (--) Stanias Stars 31 25 (--) Pens Dynasty 31 25 (--) oceanweavers 31 25 (--) go go gagit 31 25 (--) Myllypuro Hedgehogs 31 25 (--) Arm & Hammer 31 25 (--) Legzryx 31 25 (--) Chapman Chaps 31 25 (--) Dean Martin 31 25 (--) Cherry Bombers 31 25 (--) 173. Sluggo's Hosers 30 25 (--) Anson Mak 30 25 (--) Knights on a Power Play 30 25 (--) 176. Canuck Force 29 25 (--) butt ends 29 25 (--) beam team 29 25 (--) JUKURIT 29 25 (--) Chapman Sticks 29 25 (--) Ken De Cruyenaere 29 25 (--) gax goons 29 25 (--) Tampere Salami 29 25 (--) Sparky's Select 29 25 (--) 185. Hillside Raiders 28 25 (--) Eldoret Elephants 28 25 (--) Jane's World 28 25 (--) the ALarmers 28 25 (--) 189. Rolaids Required 27 25 (--) Chip n Dale 27 25 (--) Brian Bergman 27 25 (--) 192. Killer Kings 26 25 (--) Montys Nords 26 25 (--) 194. Arsenal Maple Leafs 25 18 (--) Martin's Gag 25 25 (--) 196. Equipe Du Jour 24 25 (--) 197. lisa's luggers 23 25 (--) -- Andrew Scott | [email protected] HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...

Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals From: [email protected] (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 33 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Fred Rice) writes: >I propose >that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society >(and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are >linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot >provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis >seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it. > Damn right you can't provide any evidence for it. Rarely are any widespread social phenomenon reducible to such a simple premise. If they were, psychology would be a hard science with roughly the same mathematical soundness as physics. Your premise may well be right. It is much more likely, however, that it reflects your socialization and religious background, as well as your need to validate your religious beliefs. Were I to pretend to have all the answers (and I don't), I would say that the xenophobia, guilt, and intolerance brought about by adherence to fundamentalist religions play just as large a role in depressing the members of our society. Your mileage obviously varies. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine [email protected] They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From: [email protected] (Tommy Reingold) Subject: RFD: rec.autos.saab Article-I.D.: rodan.1psb8qINNbb2 Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION This is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup concerning Saab cars. It will allow participaants to exchange information on purchasing, maintaining, repairing, and outfitting Saabs. Group Name: rec.autos.saab Status: Unmoderated Rationale: There may be enough people with Saab cars or interested in buying a Saab or interested in knowing more about Saabs for any reason to justify such a new newsgroup. The recent growth of the net could improve the turnaround time between posing a question and receiving answers from the community. Discussion: Comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the USENET Newsgroup "news.groups". If the reader is not able to do so, comments may be e-mailed to the proposer, at the address below. Voting: If no problems arise, voting will start 1 month from the posting date of this RFD. Proposer: Tommy Reingold [email protected] -- Tommy Reingold AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ [email protected] or att!boole!tommy

From: [email protected] (wallace otis waggoner) Subject: 2 SMC 270E ARCNET cars for sale $50ea. Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 4 I have 2 new SMC 270E ARCNET cards for sale . They are brand new. $50 each [email protected] Wally Waggoner

From: [email protected] (Joseph Askew) Subject: Re: the call to space (was Re: Clueless Szaboisms ) Keywords: trumpet calls, infrastructure, public perception Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide Lines: 32 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Pat) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>It isn't feasible for Japan to try to stockpile the amount of oil they >>would need to run their industries if they did no use nuclear power. >Of course, Given they export 50 % of the GNP, What do they do. Well they don't export anywhere near 50% of their GNP. Mexico's perhaps but not their own. They actually export around the 9-10% mark. Similar to most developed countries actually. Australia exports a larger share of GNP as does the United States (14% I think off hand. Always likely to be out by a factor of 12 or more though) This would be immediately obvious if you thought about it. >Anything serious enough to disrupt the sea lanes for oil will >also hose their export routes. It is their import routes that count. They can do without exports but they couldn't live without imports for any longer than six months if that. >Given they import everything, oil is just one more critical commodity. Too true! But one that is unstable and hence a source of serious worry. Joseph Askew -- Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, [email protected] Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.

From: [email protected] (Rupin Dang) Subject: Panasonic answering machine forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 3 Auto Logic Panasonic answering machine with dual cassette system. I will include cassettes and AC power adaptor. Excellent condition. Asking $30 with accessories.

From: [email protected] (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: Trickle down (Was: 1937 was: Dan Quayle, genius Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 36 [email protected] writes: >[email protected] (Robert Nehls) writes... >>Jason K. Schechner ([email protected]) wrote: >>: In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >>: >What decade did you live in? Unemployment dropped during the 80's, >>: >inflation dropped during the 80's and interest rates dropped during >>: >the 80's. >>: This all may be true, but we're paying for it now, through the >>: nose. Our current recession (and some would argue the world's ^^^^^^^^^ >>First off, we're not in a recession. We've had a record number of months of >>straight economic growth. Even the democrats are admitting that the >>recession ofcicially ended in March of 1991. >This months's unemployment rate in California was 9.4% >Sure feels like a recession to me. Maybe we should ask the 83,103 people who were laid off this January whether or not we're in a recession. That was a figure that was reported in the New York Times. There is no official figure, because the Bureau of Labor Statistics stopped government tracking of layoffs eight months ago due to budget cuts. (The above information was published in Harper's Index, Harper's magazine.) ----- Eric Smith | The day Dan Quayle is our President is the day [email protected] | Shelley Winters runs with the bulls in Pamplona. [email protected] | - Dennis Miller CI$: 70262,3610 |

From: [email protected] (Max J. Rochlin) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Organization: QueerNet Lines: 10 Interesting. I'd fight the ticket. First off, there's a 50/50 chance the cop won't show up. Secondly, if he does show up, you should point out that he lied (purgered) on the ticket. Why 70+? I beleive that if yo're charged with going more than 15mph that the posted speed it's a more severe ticket. You couldn't have p[ossibly been going 70+, right?! -- | [email protected] | Max J. Rochlin | {uunet,sgi}!unpc!max | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Protect me from what I want... |

From: [email protected] (Drew Watson) Subject: Ethics vs. Freedom Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Lines: 70 Being a parent in need of some help, I ask that you bear with me while I describe the situation which plagues me... I am a divorced father. Chance would have it that "my weekend" with my daughter has fallen upon Easter Weekend this year. Although I am Presbyterian, I had married a Catholic woman. We decided that the Catholic moray of indoctrination of the spouse into the faith was too confining (and restrictive due to time as we had already set a date), and we were married in a Christian Church which was non-denominational. During the years of our marriage, we did not often attend church. When our daughter was born, some years later, my wife insisted that she be baptised as Catholic. This wasn't a problem with me. During a separation of five years, my ex-wife was taken ill with a disease that affected her mental capacities. She was confined to a mental ward for two months before it was diagnosed. It has since been treated "effectively". In other words, professionals have deemed her a functioning member of society. During the recuperation, my ex-wife has embraced Buddism. Her influence over my daughter has been substantial, and has primarily allowed me only Saturday visitation for a number of years. During this period I have read Bible study books to my daughter, and tried to keep her aware of her Christian heritage. Last fall, our divorce was finalized after a year of viscious divorce hearings. At that time I was awarded visitation rights every other weekend. At that time, I started taking my daughter to church quite often, although not every weekend. I did this to attempt to strengthen the Christian ethic and expose her to a religious community. Today, Easter Sunday, I took my daughter to church. When it came time for Communion, my daughter took the bread (The body of Christ) but left the wine (The blood of Christ) professing that she was too young for wine. She then balled the bread up in her hand and tried to descretely throw it under the pew in front of us. I feel this was a slap in the face to me, my religion, and an afront to her religious heritage. It can be construed as breaking several of the commandments if you try. I really felt dishonored by the action. My daughter is only nine years old, but I think she should have been old and mature enough to realize her actions. I have difficulty blaming her directly for religious teachings her mother swears to, but when I discussed this with my daughter she made it clear she believed in Buddhism and not Christianity. My initial response of anger (moderated) was to suggest if there is no faith in Christ then why does she celebrate Easter, or Christmas? I suggested I would never force her to practice my religious beliefs by celebrating holidays with her again. I do not want to "drive her from the fold", and would be willing to allow her to continue practicing Buddhism (as though I had a choice seeing her only for two days out of fourteen) but I want her to want to embrace Christianity. Any suggestions? If you have a response, please e-mail me a copy. (I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup.) (Naturally, feel free to post too!) Thanks, and I hope you've had a happy Easter. Drew -- Drew Watson Systems analysis Encore Computer Corp [email protected] (301)497-1800 || (703)691-3500 Customer services =============================================================================

From: [email protected] (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 23 [email protected] suggests using a common but restricted-distribution private key to allow public key system encrypted postings. In theory that will work fine as long as the privae key remains secure. In practice it would be a good idea to check to see if that would be a violation of some net rule, practice, custom, etc. I don't say it would be, just that it would be a good idea to check. This is not like rot13 where everybody can have the key trivially. It would also be a good idea to check to see if such posts would be forwarded by the sites needed to make the chain work. Of course there'd be no problem with a discussion group travelling over facilities entirely under the control of the members. Probably there would also be no problem with a mailing list approach. It might even be fun for some. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted.

From: [email protected] (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes: >Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 . > 66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at 200 MHz. >>680040 >>486 >As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 . But the 68040 is (or will soon be) available in 40 MHz version, making it "comparable" to a 486DX2-80 >Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola "equivalents" >although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance >is something that is highly debatable. I think you have that one turned around; they have faster clock cycles but less power behind each cycle. Not to mention that the Intel instruction stream is BYTE-oriented (longest Intel instruction is 15 bytes; what an odd number :-) which makes it hard to do any intelligent memory subsystem. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, [email protected], Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This article printed on 100% recycled electrons.

From: [email protected] (Scarecrow) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada Lines: 37 [email protected] (Mike Seningen) > 85 Mph speedos -- esp. the electronic ones. > > The digital dash of the 87 cougars with the large analog clock in > the middle of the dash -- everything was digital except the stinking clock? The funny thing about the digital dash (87 T-bird) with the 85mph speedo limit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would read all the way up to 187kph. At this point the stock anemic 302 would get short of breath. This of course was equivalent to about 116mph (hehe).I bet I really coulda confused this thing if I'd toyed with the engine and rolled the stupid thing (the digits were limited to 199). I've gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w/digital dash though. My girlfriend had a '85 TurboCoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges/radio. Go figure... [email protected] (Usenet Administrator) > I love the keyless entry on my T-Bird; it's great for those times that > I had to stop to put air in my tires. I could get out and lock the door > with the engine running while I ran around to air up the tire. It also I had a great feature on my T-bird.... I could pull the key out and leave the ignition on. This scared the hell out of me the first time it happened but I kinda grew to like it. Musta been a bad key copy or something. Mark Novakovic ----- "There is no god up in the sky tonight __ _ no sign of heaven anywhere in sight" -nin /_/\/\ "Jesus loves ya. Blow me." _ _ __ _ _ \_\ / -- In tribute to my former / \/ \ /||\ / \|\ / \\ / /_/ \ area supervisor Jim Bonneau \ / / || \__/ | \/ \\ / \_\/\ \ and the infamous Bonneau Math \\ /__||_/ \ |_/\ / \ / / \_\/ (demoted not departed) \_/ \_// || \__ \_/| \ \_/ \/ \/ Ministry

From: [email protected] (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 8 The only ether I see here is the stuff you must have been breathing before you posted... -- Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. [email protected]|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man

From: [email protected] (Howard Wai-Chun Yeung) Subject: need shading program example in X Organization: (Natl. Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD) Distribution: na Lines: 9 Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain? I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program. Appreciate the help. Howard.

From: [email protected] (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD! In-Reply-To: mathew's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14: 15:20 +0100 Organization: Compaq Computer Corp <[email protected]> Lines: 12 >>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:20 +0100, mathew <[email protected]> said: m> The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's m> finished writing a sequel to the Bible. Also, it's the 16th now. Can the Feds get him on tax evasion? I don't remember hearing about him running to the Post Office last night. -- Ed McCreary ,__o [email protected] _-\_<, "If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*)

From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Steve Holland) Subject: Re: Crohn's Disease Organization: UAB - Gastroenterology Lines: 32 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (David Watters) wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am a Crohn's Disease sufferer and I'm interested if anyone knows of any current research that is going on into the subject. I've done some investigation myself so you don't need to spare me any details. I've had the fistulas, the ileostomy, etc.. > > Is a "cure" on the horizon ? > > I am not in the medical profession so if you do reply I would appreciate plain speak. > > I'd prefer to be mailed direct as I don't always get a chance to read the news. > > Thank you in advance. > > Dave. The best group to keep you informed is the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. I do not know if the UK has a similar organization. The address of the CCFA is CCFA 444 Park Avenue South 11th Floor New York, NY 10016-7374 USA They have a lot of information available and have a number of newsletters. Good Luck. Steve

From: [email protected] (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: RE Aftermarket A/C units Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: usa Lines: 29 >Les Bartel's comments: >>>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to >>make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp >>(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with >>it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have >>an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't >>trust the quality and performance after this experience. >> - les > >Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not >work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups >identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same >result. Don't know if this is just a probable with Ford or what?? > > Ernie Smith i agree, *never* have the dealer add anything to your car. if you want a/c make sure it is factory installed(honda's maybe excluded, many can't be bought with a/c installed at the factory, but i think, maybe, they actually use all the needed parts for a true factory install when they put one in...as in bigger radiator etc...or are designed properly for this in the 1st place), anyway, my point is the dealer installed a/c won't be anywhere near as good as factory *and* the service bums will mess up your car when installing it... scratches, screwdriver holes in seats...parts not reinstalled correctly or with all the screws etc. i know a guy who has been service manager at a gm dealer for 18 years...he said never have a dealer add anything to your car... except, maybe, floormats...

From: [email protected] (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Distribution: na Lines: 30 >Something else to consider: >Alomar's H-R splits were .500-.363 SLG, .444-.369 OBP! Baerga's was .486-.424 >and .392-.318. Pretty clearly, Alomar got a HUGE boost from his home park. Not necessarily. It could mean that, or it could mean that he just hit a lot better at home than he did on the road (see Frank Thomas' home/road splits in '91 for an example). I would guess that some of Alomar's split is due to the Skydome, but most of it is probably due just to coincidence. There's no way to be sure, of course, but the only hitters the Skydome seems to regularly help a lot are right handed home run hitters, and Alomar is not a home run hitter. >I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P >rated Baerga higher, actually. Only because of t&P's bogus fielding stats, which rate Alomar as the worst defensive second baseman in the league. On a career basis, I think T&P's fielding stats may mean something, but on a seasonal basis it comes up with ridiculous results like this. Alomar may not be the god of fielding the media says he is, but he sure isn't the worst in baseball. Offensively, T&P rate Alomar much higher last year. Regarding the A vs. B argument, I'll just say they're both very good players with different strengths and a bright future. Greg

From: [email protected] Subject: Does God Love You? Lines: 5 I simply wish to thank Dave Mielke ([email protected]) for sharing the tract concerning God's love. It was most welcome to me and a great source of comfort. Carol Bocher

From: [email protected] (Keith Smith) Subject: win/NT file systems Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK. Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: trapdoor.spider.co.uk OK will some one out there tell me why / how DOS 5 can read (I havn't tried writing in case it breaks something) the Win/NT NTFS file system. I thought NTFS was supposed to be better than the FAT system keith

From: [email protected] (David Horton) Subject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC! Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.10.249.26 Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas Lines: 7 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Horton) writes: > >Tests suck! Post a real message! >:^) Presumably Erme Maula is testing the size limits of his email account. That's [email protected] for those who missed it.

From: [email protected] (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:48:15 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 44 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Aurag Hassan) writes: Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes: There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more. In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place. People die that is all. No one gets killed. Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all. Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No? What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so? Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it intelligently. Sincerely yours. Hassan Arab civilians did die at Dir yassin. But there was no massacre. First of all, the village housed many *armed* troops. Secondly, the Irgun and Stern fighters had absolutely no intentions of killing civilians. The village was attacked only for its military significance. In fact, a warning was given to the occupants of the village to leave before the attack was to begin. By all rational standards, Dir Yassin was not a massacre. The killing was unintentional. The village housed Arab snipers and Arab troops. Thus it was attacked for its military significance. It was not attacked with intentions of killing any civilians. To even compare Dir Yassin, in which some 120 or so Arabs died, to the Holocaust is absurd. The Irgun did not want to kill any civilians. The village had almost 1000 inhabitants, most of whom survived. Harry.

From: [email protected] (Dan Kelo) Subject: M-81 Supernova X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: [email protected] Distribution: sci Lines: 7 How 'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81? I might just break out the scope for this one. ____________________________________________________ "No sir, I don't like it! "-- Mr. Horse Dan Kelo [email protected] ____________________________________________________

From: [email protected] (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Re: LH car order delay Article-I.D.: shaman.3038 Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon Lines: 13 [] "I read an article in the 3/25 Chicago Tribune stating that Chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the 3.5L engine for it's LH cars. Can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told they'll have to wait??" Ordered mine December 30, got it nine weeks later. But the dealer said that *new* orders were being held up -- he didn't expect to see any more 3.5L-engine LHs for awhile. -=- Andrew Klossner ([email protected])

From: [email protected] (Steven B Syck) Subject: Re: Don't knock the Glock (was Re: My Gun is like my Am Ex Card) Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Lines: 61 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13 In article <[email protected]> Jason Kratz <[email protected]> writes: > >All very true. I'm going on what I have read and heard from friends. >Basically the Glock is great but I have heard/read that it is a lot harder to >learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has. I was >looking at a Glock .40S&W and the S&W 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the >safties on the guns were very different. The saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot >more "safe" (for lack of a better word) than the one on the Glock. Of course >this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody. You >would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off. Personally I >like the Glocks because they are very light and I think they look really cool >(guess that's why they use them in so many movies) but I wouldn't get one as >my first semi-auto because of the safety. I would prefer more training with >a "traditional" semi-auto (ala Colt .45) but of course that's just my opinion. > >Jason At the risk of starting the 'my gun is better than yours' flame war, I must disagree. There is no secret in handling a Glock. In fact, it is often chosen (besides its other merits) because it shoots like a revolver does basically. It can limit the training time (read budget $$$) due to the fact there are no 'external' safties other than the trigger, hence less training time required. Smith & Wesson (among other types) are chosen due to the fact taht they do have the external safties (hammer drop,as well as mag drop) which if properly used have saved many lives when 'Mr. Bad' snatched the gun from the officer and tried to shoot said officer the gun was on safe and would not fire. This point had been made in many articles in various gun magazines. If fact, one author (can't remember who) staged a little test where he had a revolver and a S&W on safe laying on a table and asked people with little firearms experience to on his signal, grab the gun and shoot a target. He timed the people using each gun. The revolver times were pretty close, but some of the times with the S&W were in minutes, or the person just gave up because they could not figure out the saftey. You don't often see Colt 45 autos issued due to the light trigger which can be accidentally fired in a stress situation, opening the issuing city,county, etc.. to lawsuits, bad press, etc.. Of course any problem can be overcome with enough training, but such training is not always available to budget crunched departments. I know if I were a Cop I would want something like a S&W just for the off chance of the gun getting taken away. The safety doesn't guarantee that 'Mr. Bad' won't figure it out and shoot me, but it could buy enough time to draw a second gun and shoot 'Mr. Bad' before it's too late. Don't think I am too biassed here just because I have had 3 Glocks in my possession at one time, because I have had a .45 as well. In fact, it was my first handgun. Remember, the ultimate 'safety' is YOU the operator, and no safety is going to stop an negligent discharge (note I don't say accidental) if you break the rules of gun handling. As per the part of being light weight and looking cool, I agree 100%. I wouldn't rule it out as a first purchase. -Just my $.02 + tax ------- Steve Syck [email protected] --------

From: [email protected] (Jason Austin) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 45 Distribution: usa <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:24:14 GMT In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Phil Ronzone) writes: -> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gadfly) writes: -> >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about -> >how people need to take personal responsibility for their -> >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals -> >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's -> >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor -> >people are just too dumb to think for themselves? -> > -> >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family -> >and support systems in general among this nation's poor. -> >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at -> >the top of any sane person's list. -> > -> >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural -> >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called -> >"relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good -> >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real -> >education first--I mean, we took that for granted. -> -> The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible. -> -> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their -> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of -> brats. -> -> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969. -> -> Apollo 11 and Woodstock. -> -> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and -> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.). -> -> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage, -> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems .... -> Wasn't Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in history? They rejected society and went back to nature in their parent's cars. -- Jason C. Austin [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Wm. L. Ranck) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Karen Black ([email protected]) wrote: : [email protected] (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: : >Nick Pettefar ([email protected]) wrote: : >: English cars:- : > : >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc. : > ^^^^^^ : > Talk about Harleys using old technology, these : >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology. : Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood) : frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)). : I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features. Hey! I wasn't picking on Morgan. They use old technology. That's all I said. There's nothing wrong with using old technology. People still use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements to dig holes with. -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 [email protected] * * Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * *******************************************************************************

From: [email protected] (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 14 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve Pope) writes: >The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of >a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving >the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the >most likely explanation for events. You forgot the smiley-face. I can't believe this is what they turn out at Berkeley. Tell me you're an aberration. -- Steve Dyer [email protected] aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

From: [email protected] (Brian Cherkauer) Subject: Re: IIvx -> C650 Upgrade Question Distribution: comp Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >If you get teh IIvx ->C650 upgrade, does it include a new sticker to >cover the IIvx identifier with a Centris 650 indetifier? I can't say for sure with the IIvx -> C650 upgrade, but I wondered the same thing when I ordered my LC -> LC III upgrade. Turns out the "upgrade" is actually an entire CPU minus any disk drives. You pull the floppy and hard drives out of the old one, stick them in the new one, and you've got an LC III. The IIvx -> C650 may be the same thing. It might be something to look into for those people who are unhappy that Apple only sells Macs pre-packaged with the drives. Of course, the price is quite a bit higher without the trade-in... (-Brian [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Marvin Batty) Subject: Re: Moon Colony Prize Race! $6 billion total? Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK Lines: 49 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >I think if there is to be a prize and such.. There should be "classes" >such as the following: > >Large Corp. >Small Corp/Company (based on reported earnings?) >Large Government (GNP and such) >Small Governemtn (or political clout or GNP?) >Large Organization (Planetary Society? and such?) >Small Organization (Alot of small orgs..) Whatabout, Schools, Universities, Rich Individuals (around 250 people in the UK have more than 10 million dollars each). I reecieved mail from people who claimed they might get a person into space for $500 per pound. Send a skinny person into space and split the rest of the money among the ground crew! > >The organization things would probably have to be non-profit or liek ?? > >Of course this means the prize might go up. Larger get more or ?? >Basically make the prize (total purse) $6 billion, divided amngst the class >winners.. >More fair? > >There would have to be a seperate organization set up to monitor the events, >umpire and such and watch for safety violations (or maybe not, if peopel want >to risk thier own lives let them do it?). > Agreed. I volunteer for any UK attempts. But one clause: No launch methods which are clearly dangerous to the environment (ours or someone else's). No usage of materials from areas of planetary importance. >Any other ideas?? Yes: We should *do* this rather than talk about it. Lobby people! The major problem with the space programmes is all talk/paperwork and no action! >== >Michael Adams, [email protected] -- I'm not high, just jacked > > -- **************************************************************************** Marvin Batty - [email protected] "And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base, that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"

From: [email protected] (Russ Sharp) Subject: Character missing in TTF Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.eng.deakin.oz.au Word 2.0c doesn't show the period-centred character to indicate spaces if I use the TTFonts from CorelDraw. Our editors need to be able to see how many spaces are in text but the character displayed is a large hollow box. They overlap each other and characters on each side, which is useless. I believe the character used by W4W is the period-centred (0183). This character shows up with the windows Charmap display as the hollow box which tends to confirm this. I have edited the corel font with Fontmonger and changing the font graphics for the 0183 character makes no difference to the font output in Charmap or W4W. Altering the paragraph (0182) or cedilla (0184) does alter their font graphics displayed however!! Is the W4W character used to indicate spaces the period-centred character? Has anyone been able to get this character displayed from a CorelDraw TTF? -- ____ Russ Sharp [email protected] ph (052)27 1141 fax (052)27 2015 \ / Deakin University, School of Engineering & Technology, Geelong, Australia \/

From: [email protected] (Jim Reeds) Subject: Re: Patents (was RC2 RC4) Summary: Pop patent law Article-I.D.: alice.25313 Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ Lines: 13 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Healy) writes: and > [email protected] (Vesselin Bontchev) wrote: and > > [email protected] (Andrew Haley) writes: about Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola and what they can teach us. Surely, if we must use pop patent law examples to discuss RC2 and RC4, it would make more sense to consider the case of RC Cola? Jim Reeds

From: (Phil Bowermaster) Subject: C. S. Lewis is OK (was Ancient Books) Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 49 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Bill Mayne) wrote: > > The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of > soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as > Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. The above also expresses a rather odd sense > of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were > mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people > today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the > cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in > the medieval period "knew the rules" it was a matter of uncritically > accepting what they were told. > > Bill Mayne > > [This may be unfair to Lewis. The most prominent fallacy attributed > to him is the "liar, lunatic, and lord". As quoted by many > Christians, this is a logical fallacy. In its original context, it > was not. --clh] Exactly. C. S. Lewis has taken a couple of pretty severe hits in this group lately. First somebody was accusing him of being self-righteous and unconvincing. Now we are told that we Christians should be embarrassed by him. (As well as by Josh McDowell, about whom I have no comment, having never read his work.) Anyone who thinks that C. S. Lewis was self-righteous ought to read his introduction to The Problem of Pain, which is his theodicy. In it, he explains that he wanted to publish the book anonymously. Why? Although he believed in the argument he was presenting, he did not want to seem to presume to tell others how brave they should be in the face of their own suffering. He did not want people to think that he was presenting himself as some kind of model of fortitude, or that he was anything other than what he considered himself to be -- "a great coward." OFM has adequately handled the question of whether we ought to be embarrassed by Lewis' liar/lunatic/lord argument (which, by the way, is part of a *much* bigger discourse.) I would just like to add that, far from being embarrassed by Lewis, I am in a state of continual amazement at the soundness and clarity of the arguments he presents. - Phil - Hey, we're talking about the PHONE COMPANY, here. The Phone Company doesn't have opinions on this kind of stuff. This is all me.

From: [email protected] (Jeff W. Hyche) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Reply-To: [email protected] <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Distribution: na X-Newsreader: Arn V1.01 Lines: 16 Organization: I'm Just Me. In article <[email protected]>, Al Donaldson writes: > Unrelated question...isn't the term "Clipper," as neat as it is, > already taken by Intergraph? > Yes, "Clipper" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used in some of thier workstations. I wonder what Intergraph is going to do to this infringement on thier name sake? -- // Jeff Hyche -There Can Be Only One- \\ // [email protected] \X/

From: [email protected] (Steven Kipling) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Reply-To: [email protected] (Steven Kipling) Distribution: world Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241 Lines: 54 -=> Quoting Cire Y. Trehguad to All <=- CYT> : Michael Collingridge writes: : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. CYT> ; CYT> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to CYT> : Pittsburgh? CYT> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens CYT> recently... CYT> Caleb CYT> And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded CYT> captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske CYT> Man I hated that trade! Well as for team captains being traded in there first year in the NHL the Edmonton Oilers traded their captain Ron Chiperfield to the Quebec Nordique right at the trading deadline for Goaltender Ron Lowe In their second year of existence The Edmonton Oilers again right at the trade deadline traded their captain, this time B.J. McDonald to the Vancouver Canucks along with the rights to winger Ken Berry for Garry Lariviere and the rights to Lars Gunner Petterson as for more captain trivia, the next Edmonton captain was Lee Fogilin who was later traded to the Buffalo Sabres, after him was Wayne Gretzky who was traded to L A, then came Kevin Low who only this year was traded to the N Y Rangers so that every captain the Edmonton Oilers have had has been traded. The present captain is Craig McTavish and we'll just have to wait and see. well talk to you later Steve ... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

From: [email protected] (Dave T Dorfman) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 33 [email protected] (Andy Woodward) writes: >Better still, reverse this sequence, then hit the bugger under accelleration >(to stabilise yourself). I hate things that attack me. >If the dog thinks you have run away, it has established dominance over >these funny noisy sheep things, and will attack every bike that comes >along for the fun of it. If you can hurt the bugger, it learns that it >is below bikes in the peck order, and you may have saved the life of a >future biker, whose evasive action to avoid the dog might otherwise put >him under a truck. Never avoid a dog for the dog's sake, only you're own. I hate to admit this but there does seem to be some sort of twisted logic to this approach. It's the bikers against the world and the dogs are just another worthless adversary. So remember to wear at least calf height leather boots, ( in case the dog gets lucky and sinks his teeth into your attacking foot) and go for the gusto, If that dog doesn't retreat from the street with his tail between his legs next time you see it then you really haven't done your bit for all your fellow bikers. >This also applies in cages. Sorry I can't go this far, A dog against and armored cage just doesn't seem like a fair fight. >If the dog is out of control, it is a menace to all road users, and no >compunction should be felt if ensuring your safety means the destruction of >it's. After all, it is forcing the game, not you. after all it is a dog eat dog world Dave

From: [email protected] (Nelson Lu) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 20 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes: >Coaching news: > > Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified), > Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara, > Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks > (assistant coach), > Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien) Wow. So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda hinted that he won't be back. Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov? =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu ([email protected]) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks

From: [email protected] (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 17 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (J. R. Laferriere) writes: | |Now now Keith, just calm down. What are you some prohibitionist prick? The |point of Andrew Infante's posting was obvious to solicit suggestions pertaining |to the cost of insurance and the like. I don't care if you are MADD or SADD or |whatever; keep it to yourself, we'd all appreciate that. Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent. Driving drunk is indefensable and unforgivable. There is a large differnece. But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon. I just hope you don't take a human being out with you. Dave Svoboda ([email protected]) | "I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn." AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

From: andy.bgsu.edu (Ryan ) Subject: What are you smoking? (wasRe: My Predictions of a classic playoff year!) Organization: BGSU Lines: 59 > Norris Division > > > TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense > (series to watch!) > > CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.) > > > Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP) > *This is what kills me: > STANLEY CUP FINALS > > Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens > (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true! > > Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime. > Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if > that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by > Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the > owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the > disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks). > Paul > Die hard Habs Fan living with > 3 Die hard Leafs fans! ******************************************************************************* Speaking of "die hard", that's what I did when I read this, died hard laughing! Toronto, to the Cup finals??? First of all, has anyone on the planet heard of the team from Detroit? Al Morgani (or however you spell the idiot's name) must be from Chicago, because on ESPN, he said "it's not even close--Chicago will definatly win the Norris Division in the Playoffs, no other team is close." Everyone is picking Chicago! I don't get it, he says it's an "easy choice"? God, Chicago was 1-4-1 against the Wings, and they won the division by a point or two, followed closely by Toronto, who is also a good team! As for the Leafs beating Detroit--doubt it, but even if they do, they aren't going to get by Chicago. If (even more amazingly) they get past the Hawks, they would probably face Vancouver, and lose. As for The Habs reaching the Finals, forget it. Even I, as a devoted Wings fan, will watch the Penguins easily three-peat as Cup winners. Lemieux, Jagr, Tocchet, Stevens, and Barrasso, its a done deal. Sorry Detroit, wait til next year. But hey, these were Paul's picks, and everyone has a right to their own opinnions, but the Leafs to the Finals??? Yeah. If they make it there, I'll walk to Toronto to get some tickets, and that's a 700 mile walk! --Ryan-- Detroit Red Wings--the forgotten team! Go Wings!! Let's hope the Penguins go out early!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: [email protected] (Kelly Gray) Subject: Re: Pinout needed for TIL311 Organization: Humber College Technology Dept. Lines: 29 According to my TI databook, the pinouts for the TIL311 display are as follows: Pin 1 - LED supply voltage Pin 2 - Latch data input B Pin 3 - Latch data input A Pin 4 - Left decimal point cathode Pin 5 - Latch strobe input Pin 6 - Omitted Pin 7 - Common ground Pin 8 - Blanking input Pin 9 - Omitted Pin 10 - Right decimal point cathode Pin 11 - Omitted Pin 12 - Latch data input D Pin 13 - Latch data input C Pin 14 - Logic supply voltage, Vcc The logic supply voltage is 5V @ 60-90mA. The LED supply is also 5V, but it need not be particularly well regulated. The LED drivers on the chip use a constant current source, so LED intensity is not affected by the supply voltage. -- <o_o> Kelly Gray [email protected] (preferred) [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Leo Lim) Subject: FAST DOS'VGA and 1024x768x256 windows video card info needed. Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison Lines: 24 ok, i have a 486dx50(ISA) w/ Diamond Stealth VRAM 1MB. I was really satisfied w/ its performance in windows. but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in DOS' VGA, especially this new Strike Commander. ;-) this stealth vram can only give me 17.5 fps. ;-( (i use 3dbench). my winmark was 6.35 million, i think. so right now i'm considering to replace it w/ a new card, which hopefully can perform approx same w/ my current VRAM in windows and also can perform DOS' VGA preferably >30fps. i also saw the 3dbench benchmark list from someone who compiled it in csipg and it looked that SpeedStar 24X and Orchid Prodesigner 2d-s ware the fastest for non local bus motherboard. both can give >30fps in DOS' VGA w/ 486dx2/66. Does anyone have a winmarks for both of those cards above with the processor type ? which one is the worthiest(not necessarily fastest)? any other card recommendation is welcomed too. also, if possible, where can i get 'this' card for the cheapest? ;-) thanks in advance, folks! ===Martin

From: [email protected] (David Charlap) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >Just maybe you won't be home. Then you can come home to something >like this: > > "Well, it's been a rough month," begins Johnnie Lawmaster. "I > just get laid off, and my divorce became final. But I just wasn't > ready for what happened this particular Monday." [horror story about FBI ruining a guy's life for the hell of it omitted] >So if you don't want your tea party to be held in awkward silence, make >sure your lawyer isn't there, there's a good chap. So, is this a real story or a work of fiction? How about some sources? When, where, and in what newspaper did you get all this from? Or is it all hypothetical? -- +------------------------+------------------------------------+ | David Charlap | "Apple II forever" - Steve Wozniac | | [email protected] | "I drank what?" - Socrates | +------------------------+------------------------------------+

From: [email protected] (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Hell-mets. Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 56 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Norman Hamer) writes: > > > Having talked to a couple people about helmets & dropping, I'm getting >about 20% "Don't sweat it", 78% "You might think about replacing it" and the >other 2% "DON'T RIDE WITH IT! GO WITHOUT A HELMET FIRST!" > > Is there any way to tell if a helmet is damaged structurally? I dropped it >about 2 1/2 feet to cement off my seat, chipped the paint. Didn't seem to >screw up the actual shell. I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet or higher, maybe not. > If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might >have some minor damage? I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged. > Also, what would you all reccomend as far as good helmets? I'm slightly >disappointed by how badly the shoei has scratched & etc from not being >bloody careful about it, and how little impact it took to chip the paint >(and arguably mess it up, period)... Looking at a really good full-face with >good venting & wind protection... I like the Shoei style, kinda like the >Norton one I saw awhile back too... But suspect I'm going to have to get a >much more expensive helmet if I want to not replace it every time I'm not >being careful where I set it down. Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap. > Christ, I don't treat my HEAD as carefully as I treated the shoei as far as >tossing it down, and I don't have any bruises on it. Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet... Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person

From: [email protected] (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: copy/move files in File Manager Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 25 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Scott Crittenden) writes: >My understanding is that, to copy files from one directory to another on >the same drive in File Manager (using a mouse), you hold down the CTRL key >while dragging the file from one directory's window to the other. This >works for me... about 98% of the time. The other 2%, the file gets >_moved_ rather than copied. Anybody else encountered this? ... I tried to respond by email, but all attempts bounced. The condition of the Ctrl key BEFORE you press the mouse button makes no difference whatsoever. You have to be holding the Ctrl key when you RELEASE the mouse button if you want to force a copy operation. Here's a simple experiment. Select a file and begin to drag it (no Ctrl key). Notice that the file's icon disappears from the listing window. Now watch what happens to that icon as you press and release the Ctrl key (keeping the mouse button pressed all the while). In addition, the icon that you are dragging will show a "+" while you are holding the Ctrl key, indicating that the file is being copied rather than moved. -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Gv Fragante) Subject: Winjet accelerator card Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Anyone familiar with this video card? What chipset does the winjet use - S3? As I am in the market for a VLG video card, what is the best chipset among S3, Cirrus Logic and Tseng Lab (ATI is out of the question - too expensive) ? Thanks.

From: [email protected] (Andreas Reto Disteli) Subject: S3 Nntp-Posting-Host: lillian-gw Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 40 Re: Problems with S3-initialization As described the manual the following steps must be done for th initialization of the S3 card. InitDisplay; (*BIOS-Call with AX-Reg = 4F02H with BX-Reg = 105H for 1024 x 768 x 256 resolution Interrupt 10H *) Unlock Register Lock 1 (CR38) (* For access to S3 Register Set *) Unlock Register Lock 2 (CR39) (* For access to Syst. Control and Syst. Extension Register *) Unlock Graphic Command Group (CR40) (* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Syst. Configuration Register *) Unlock Advanced Display Functions (* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Function Control Register *) After these operations the FIFO-stack of the S3 should be empty. When we watch the status (Graph. Proc. Status), we always get the value 0FH instead of 0H. Full would mean 0FFH (8 places occupied), empty would mean 0H (0 places occupied). It is possible to read this register in two different ways. Both times we get different results. Our machine is a 486 DX/2 with EISA bus and a S3 86C805 local bus. --> any ideas? Andreas Disteli Institut fuer Computersysteme, ETH Zuerich email: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Frank Kaefer) Subject: Re: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1 Organization: Stasys News Server, Starnberg, Germany Lines: 22 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: stasys.sta.sub.org [email protected] (Doug Acker) writes: |..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm... |gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw

From: [email protected] (Ravi or Deantha Menon) Subject: Re: eye dominance Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: beagle.colorado.edu [email protected] (David Nye) writes: >[reply to [email protected] (Richard Silver)] > >>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an overall >>right-handedness in the population? I mean do most people require less >>lens corrections for the one eye than the other? If so, what kinds of >>percentages can be attached to this? Thanks. > >There is an "eyedness" analogous to handedness but it has nothing to do >with refractive error. To see whether you are right or left eyed, roll >up a sheet of paper into a tube and hold it up to either eye like a >telescope. The eye that you feel more comfortable putting it up to is >your dominant eye. Refractive error is often different in the two eyes >but has no correlation with handedness. > >David Nye ([email protected]). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI >This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher >must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell What do you mean "more comfortable putting it up to." That seems a bit hard to evaluate. At least for me it is. Stare straight Point with both hands together and clasp so that only the pointer fingers are pointing straight forward to a a spot on the wall about eight feet away. First stare at the spot with both eyes open. Now close your left eye. Now open your left eye. Now close your right eye. now open your right eye. If the image jumped more when you closed your right eye, you are right eye dominant. If the image jumped more when you closed your left eye, you are left eye dominant. Deantha

From: [email protected] (Matt Madsen) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Nntp-Posting-Host: bonnie.ics.uci.edu Reply-To: [email protected] (Matt Madsen) Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept. Lines: 27 Robert G. Carpenter writes: >Hi Netters, > >I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle >some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. > >Can you please offer some recommendations? > >I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it. > >Thanks > >(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need) > >Bob Carpenter > I too would like a 3D graphics library! How much do C libraries cost anyway? Can you get the tools used by, say, RenderMan, and can you get them at a reasonable cost? Sorry that I don't have any answers, just questions... Matt Madsen [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: WINCO Lines: 45 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >>> I really don't want to waste time in >>> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >>> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! >> >> Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am >>not eager to make a fool of myself. > >Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about >and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you >wish. > >The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits >so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along >with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced >organized crime specifically; etc, etc Ahhh, the classic Truth By Blatant Assertion technique. Too bad it's so demonstrably false. Take a look at Great Britain sometime for a nice history on drug criminalization. The evidence there shows that during periods of time when drugs (such as heroin) were illegal, crime went up and people did die from bad drugs. During times when drugs were legalized, those trends were reversed. > >If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into >why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group >was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little >research. Now this is a great example of an ironclad proof. Gosh, I'm convinced. ( :-} for the humor impaired). First, assert something for which you have no evidence, then dodge requests for proof by claiming to know what this group was intended for. As to research, if you'd done any at all, you'd realize that there is plenty of reason to believe that legalizing drugs will have many benefits to society. There are some plausible arguments against it, too, but they aren't enough to convince me that criminalization of drugs is the answer. I'm willing to be convinced I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt the likes of you can do it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook "Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem." ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) --------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Marcus J Ranum) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com >>How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without >>being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an >>unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both >>keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and "draw a blank". > > I was thinking about this, also. It's quite possible the >system transmits, in clear, the serial number of the device being >used. That way they can start a tap, get the serial number, and use >the warrant for the first tap to get the key. > > If they tap someone who's apparently using encryption, but >don't find that prefix, then they'll assume it's an "un-authorized" >encryption scheme. This doesn't handle superencrypted traffic. If the clipper doesn't impose any unfortunate performance side-effects there's no reason not to use it to superencrypt a stream of triple-DES encrypted traffic. That way your traffic looks "normal" and perhaps anyone desiring to listen in won't even bother, since they know nobody's going to really trust crypto that has classified internals for important stuff. mjr.

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 15 In a message of <Apr 19 04:55>, [email protected] writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mark Brader) >writes: MB> So the MB> 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. JG>Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. Couldn't we just say periapsis or apoapsis? --- msged 2.07

From: [email protected] (Frank Ball) Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.) Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 22 VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG ([email protected]) wrote: & Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models & really mean. & Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L & and P in Suzuki VS750GLP Honda: a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin. "CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine. "R" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike. "CL" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes "CM" was a "custom" street bike "CR" is dirt only two strokes "XL" is dual purpose bike "XR" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has an "L" as a suffix. "GL" is a touring bike -- Frank Ball 1UR-M [email protected] (707) 794-4168 work, Hewlett Packard (707) 794-3844 fax, (707) 538-3693 home 1212 Valley House Drive IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510 Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999 KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.

Subject: Re: islamic authority over women From: [email protected] (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 46 In article <[email protected]) [email protected] (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: ) )That's your mistake. It would be better for the children if the mother )raised the child. ) )One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say "Mom", )because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. )Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my )point. ) )But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men )stayed home and raised the child. That is something false made up by )feminists that seek a status above men. You do not recognize the fact )that men and women have natural differences. Not just physically, but )mentally also. ) [...] )Your logic. I didn't say americans were the cause of worlds problems, I )said atheists. ) [...] )Becuase they have no code of ethics to follow, which means that atheists )can do whatever they want which they feel is right. Something totally )based on their feelings and those feelings cloud their rational )thinking. ) [...] )Yeah. I didn't say that all atheists are bad, but that they could be )bad or good, with nothing to define bad or good. ) Awright! Bobby's back, in all of his shit-for-brains glory. Just when I thought he'd turned the corner of progress, his Thorazine prescription runs out. I'd put him in my kill file, but man, this is good stuff. I wish I had his staying power. Fortunately, I learned not to take him too seriously long,long,long ago. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine [email protected] They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From: [email protected] (Bill Meyers) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: N/I Lines: 16 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Stephen Graham) writes: [ ... ] >It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction >of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun >was not a proper militia weapon. Therefore, US vs. Miller supports >limited government regulation of firearms. Then it also supports basing such regulations on ignorance. Miller had disappeared, and nobody bothered to present _his_ side to the Supreme Court -- in particular, that sawed-off shotguns were used in the World War I trenches, and in other tight spots ever since guns had been invented. Would _you_ turn one down if you had to "clean" an alley in E. St. Louis? -------- Vegetarians kill, too

From: Doug Ward Subject: Drivers for Stealth 24 Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 7 I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper drivers? The dstlth file at cica does not work with this video card. Please respond to [email protected] Thank you Doug Ward

From: [email protected] (Jim Wray) Subject: CNN for sale Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 32 Reply-To: [email protected] (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu W.K. Gorman: <3>> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band <3>> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast <3>> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two.. <3>I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't <3>think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening <3>until they break down HIS door. <3>BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a <3>minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made <3>viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is? :) <3>There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and <3>not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would <3>STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their <3>ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts. Any NRA headquarters weenies listening to this man. Any RTKBA organization honcho listening. It's time to stop fighting the Brady's and the Schumer's (now there's an interesting meaning to the acronynm BS) from the comfort of the office....we had better get serious with our time and money and get after it or we might just as well pack it in now. --- . OLX 2.2 . Gun control advocates must have had a sanity by-pass! ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: [email protected] (stephen t parker) Subject: DOS 5.0 Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 16 Posting for a friend. Reply to him, not to me. For Sale: Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0 Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0 Release date: 11/11/91 3 1/2" diskettes manual in perfect conditioni best offer accepted (I pay shippinig) Contact Randall at: [email protected] (801) 222-0834 (home) (801) 378-2722 (work)

From: [email protected] (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Govs. Florio, Wilder Hit Airwaves In Support of Brady Bill Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Nigel Allen) writes: > Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc. > "It is ironic that Jim and I are observing this March 30 in a > country that finds America's level of gun violence not only > unacceptable, but unbelievable," said Mrs. Brady, chair of Handgun > Control Inc. So where was she? And would she consider staying there? -- [email protected] --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR [email protected] write today for my special Investors' Packet...

From: [email protected] (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 49 [email protected] (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] >(Enzo Liguori) writes: >> hideous vision of the future. Observers were >>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >>pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the >This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*. >>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. >If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in >terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are, >selling every bit that promises to make money? I guess we really >deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. "Stupidity wins". I >guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers. > Another depressed planetary citizen, > hoover This isn't inherently bad. This isn't really light pollution since it will only be visible shortly before or after dusk (or during the day). (Of course, if night only lasts 2 hours for you, you're probably going to be inconvienenced. But you're inconvienenced anyway in that case). Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, and most of us aren't Indo European; those people speaking Indo-Eurpoean languages often have much non-indo-european ancestry and cultural background. So: please try to remember that there are more human activities than those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the Priesthood. And why act distressed that someone's found a way to do research that doesn't involve socialism? It certianly doesn't mean we deserve to die. -- Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. [email protected]|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man

From: [email protected] (Hovig Heghinian) Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 [email protected] (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes: >> Problem 1 >> >> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the >> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary >> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. >> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, >> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third >> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were >> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from >> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the > massacre. >> >Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 >Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all, > they are not as innocent as the asala network claims. Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to lose count around 1.5 million. Hovig

From: [email protected] (Andrew Bernstein) Subject: Re: GEICO mechanical breakdown insurance Organization: MOTOROLA Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.149.38 Lines: 36 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert J. Wade) writes: @>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Thad McCulloch) writes: @>> @>>Has anyone had any experience with GEICO's extended @>>warranty plan. It seems to be slightly less expensive than @>>the normal dealer-sponsored policy. @>> @>and once again....*never* buy extended warranties....they are a complete and @>total ripoff period!!!! you are better off taking your money and putting it @> in a bank and using that money for repairs. many extended warranties never @>pay or have co-payments etc. @> How many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the sole use of a automotive repair......maybe for people who have a hard time saving money or don't want the hassle of worrying about paying for everything the extended warranty is worth it.....for some people it is worth it...others not, and for some the peace of mind knowing you won't have too many unexpected expenses is enough.....if you drive a lot, your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than a year....how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs.... It may work for some people...... Andrew -- Andrew Bernstein Motorola Inc. "There's no such thing as sanity, 1299 E. Algonquin Road and that's the sanest fact" Schaumburg, IL 60196-1077 ---- Dire Straits [email protected] (NeXT mail OK)

From: [email protected] (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 95 In article <bontchev.735232729@fbihh> [email protected] writes: >[email protected] (Robert Ward) writes: > >> >and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >> >to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of > >> Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >> CONTEXT? > >Yes. BTW, the appropriate Amendments were posted here some time ago. > >> If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >> It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individual >> to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. > >It's OK, it's OK... Just a month ago I expressed my belief that the >right to have a means to shoot your neighbor is not that much >necessary to ensure a people's right to be free and got flamed by lots >of American gun supporters. So I thought that... > >Never mind. The new Cripple Chip is a purely American problem, so deal >with the mess yourselves. I just wanted to share with you a bit of my >experience of living 30 years under a totalitarian regime (I'm >Bulgarian) - because I thought that it might be useful to you. Oh >well. I think your experiences under the Bulgarian regime are highly relevant. We have too many people with their heads in the sand saying it cannot happen here, as our Constitutional Rights are being trashed every day because the government justifies doing some end-run around the protections by a 'crisis' requiring 'drastic action'. It is most likely that in the future possession of secure encryption tools will be regarded as possession of 'terrorist and drug dealers tools', and be some serious Fedaral Felony. Just like common tools are 'burgular tools' if the police say so, common computer programs (even computers themselves) are now 'hackers tools', and will become 'terrorist tools'. BET ON IT. The insights of someone who has lived throught this are very important. If the US goes the way of the old Soviet Union and its client states as far as individual rights, privacy and overall freedom are concerned, the rest of the world (remember 'New World Order'?) will not be far behind - only a few years. Please keep posting anything you find that is deficient or that threatens ones rights in this thing. For example, a conversation between a suspect and a lawyer will no longer be private from Big Brother eavesdropping. Political dissent allready is very dangerous in this country, all it takes is the government to decide that enough people will take one seriously, then one becomes guilty of 'plotting to overthrow the government by illegal means'. The phrase 'illegal means' is defined as whatever the government wants it to be defined as. Couple this with Clinton's pressing for a 'smart' National ID card (an 'Internal passport'?), with the added wrinkle that anything about you and your past can be put on it, and you can only take the government's word as to what is really on it (since they will be the only ones with the means to completely read and reprogram the thing). Isn't that nice? While the Feds can bust into one's safe without the keys, the owner knows his safe has been broken into. When they break into your 'secure' phone conversations (or other stored/transmitted data in the near future) you have no way of knowing, so accountability as to the legalities has gone out the window. Just like a safe, if they have a legal cause, they can get the keys from the suspect, just like they can get the keys to a safe or the combination from the suspect. Same with encryption: Record everything, get the warrants, THEN decode it with the keys obtained from the suspect. This Clinton Cripple, along with its natural extensions, will make any priviliged communications between client and lawyer, and any meaningful political dissent virtually impossible. Which is the general idea. Any propeganda about its being secure, and the safeguards, and all of that are just that - propeganda to reassure people so they will by into this monstrosity. DON'T BE SUCKERED. BIG BROTHER IS LISTENING!!! > >Regards, >Vesselin >-- >Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg >Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN >< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C >e-mail: [email protected] D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany -- [email protected] [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien

From: [email protected] (Homayoon Akhiani) Subject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: ricks Reply-To: [email protected] (Homayoon Akhiani) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-2 In article <[email protected]> you write: |>>After having used both Syqyest and Bernoulli's, I most enthuiastically |>>recommend |>>Bernoulli's. Syquests (although more popular) are much slower, prone to |>>cartridge |> |>What does your friends have? Buy it. |> |>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical and stop I bought a Bernoulli 90pro drive last year after comparing it with lots of diffrent storage solutions, OPTICAL drives are SLOW, very slow compared to 13 to 19ms access of Bernoulli. Since I needed additinol online storage (rather than just a backup or archiev e disk), I choosed Bernoulli drive. I use Adobe Preimere and Quicktime movies alot. you ran out of storage real fast. IMHO, the best buy currently is the Bernoulli 150Multidisk. 150MB per cartridge Homayoon Akhiani "Turning Ideas into ... Reality" Digital Equipment Corporation "Alpha, The New Beginning" 77 Reed Rd. Hudson, MA 01701 "All Rights Reserved. Copyright(c)1993" Email: [email protected] "The words are mine, and not my employer"

From: [email protected] (TERRI RIVKIN, TERRI RIVKIN) Subject: House for Sale in Mercerville, NJ News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute Lines: 22 I am posting this for a friend. Please do not respond to me. Thanks. House for Sale!!!!! 16 Brockton Road, Mercerville, New Jersey Description: Beautiful 3 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath cape cod located on a large tastefully landscaped corner with fenced in lot. This home features an eat-in kitchen with built-in corner china closet, a large living room, wall-to-wall carpeting, hardwood floors, new ceramic tile foyer, and freshly painted neutral tone decor. This home includes new central air and heating, new roof, new water heater, aluminum siding, storm windows and doors and Rockwell insulation in all exterior walls. Also features a new partially finished basement with an outside entrance and new Duro shed. Lots of storage space. Convenient to Rt. 295. Extras: Dishwasher, Washer and Dryer, Ceiling Fans, and Window Treatments Call for appointment at (609) 586-1946. *****Open House on Sunday, April 18th, 1:00 - 4:00. Call for Directions*****

From: [email protected] (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 32 Reply-To: [email protected] (Chun-Hung Wan) NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, [email protected] (Danny Phornprapha) says: >I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. > >What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models) > >Thanks, >Danny >-- > >=============================================================================== >= "Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = >= Please consider this: | [email protected] = >= | = >= Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = >= Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 = > For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports suspension (which is too stiff.) For a little more practicality and more comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy. And for a good dose of luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.) However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks, the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like. I don't particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car. -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. "The mind is the forerunner of all states."

From: [email protected] (Markku Savela) Subject: Raster and Text Widgets (View only!), Xew-1.3 version Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland Lines: 18 Distribution: comp Reply-To: [email protected] (Markku Savela) NNTP-Posting-Host: tel4.tel.vtt.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Version 1.3 of Xew widgets is available at export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.tar.Z export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.README For better details, check the README. (For extensive details, you have to with Xew-1.1.ps.Z, still haven't had time to update this one). No new functionality has been added since 1.2 version. Raster widget handles now expose events slightly more intelligently than before (really had to do this when I added a simple program that uses X11R5 Athena Porthole and Panner widgets). The program demo/viewer.c is very simple demonstration of panner/porthole usage (copied from'editres' actually :-) -- Markku Savela ([email protected]), Technical Research Centre of Finland Telecommunications Laboratory, Otakaari 7 B, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland

From: [email protected] (Eric H Seale) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Nntp-Posting-Host: pogo.den.mmc.com Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver Lines: 8 [email protected] (Ron Baalke) writes: >According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be >temporarily in orbit around Jupiter. The comet had apparently made a >close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the >comet. Ooooh -- who would have thought that Galileo would get the chance to check out a comet TOO?!?

From: [email protected] (Dave Steele) Subject: Whither QuickDraw Performance (across product line) Organization: Xetron Corp. Lines: 21 My company has developed an application for the Mac that emulates a chart recorder - virtual pen traces scroll smoothly across the screen. As we tested the application on a number of computers we discovered some surprising performance differences across products. The scroll performance of the IIsi and LCII was better than the IIfx. This led us to investigate Color Quickdraw performance across the Apple line. The results: The fastest QuickDraw color performing computer Apple makes is the (drumroll please) LCIII. And the Color Classic ranks right up there with the Quadra line. The Centris line pales in comparison. Does anybody know the differences in these computers that explains the disparity in graphics/processor performance? Dave Steele ([email protected]) (513)881-3330 Xetron Corp. 40 W. Crescentville Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45246

From: [email protected] (MILLER, JIMMY A.) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of 21 Apr 1993 12:25:23 GMT In <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > Thomas Parsli <[email protected]> writes: > >I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA...... > > In Texas, you cannot carry a handgun. Period. Either concealed or open. Currently, there is a bill before the Texas legislature that would make it legal for some ordinary folks to carry concealed weapons. I don't have the details, sorry. semper fi, Jammer Jim Miller Texas A&M University '89 and '91 ________________________________________________________________________________ I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. "Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System." "Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man." ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph

From: [email protected] (Robert A Holak) Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: [email protected] (Robert A Holak) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 3 A shareware graphics program called Pman has a filter that makes a picture look like a hand drawing. This picture could probably be converted into vector format much easier because it is all lines. (With Corel Trace, etc..)

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From: [email protected] (Mohamad Ebrahimi) Subject: PBS Frontline: Iran and the bomb Nntp-Posting-Host: ic17.ee.umanitoba.ca Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada Lines: 75 I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate points. 1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows: - It was alleged that:" Late Imam Khomeini objected to Shah's technological advancements as anti-Islamic, but now things have changed and the proof of change is that some Iranian merchants are now selling personal computers. "! These are the most ridiculous lies, one can make about the objectives of the Islamic Revolution in toppling the Shah and state of the technology in Iran after revolution. -Iran was equally accused of using chemical weapons against Iraqi aggressors while there has never been any proof in this regard, and nobody has seen Iraqi soldiers or civilians injured by Iranian chemical weapons, in contrary to what the whole world has seen about Iranian soldiers and civilians, injured by Iraqi chemical weapons. - While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million dead left from the war. - The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: " It hurts me to see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda." The translator says: " It hurts to see that Iran is doing unfriendly research."! 2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in near future and its current deficit in electrical power. 3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones in scientific and industrial efforts. 4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from Iran's different sites. They say: "We are not sure if the places visited by IAEA are the real ones or not" !, or " We can not rely on IAEA's reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear activities before" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build nuclear weapons! 5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs, William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking from the absolute knowledge! I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations. Mohammad [*] International Atomic Energy Agency

From: [email protected] (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 12 Distribution: world Reply-To: [email protected] (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Shaen Bernhardt) writes: > More than shocking. What this says to me is no less than that > government is very interested in monitoring the public. This does more > than scare me, it mortifies me. If this is any surprise to you, *I'm* shocked. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation

From: [email protected] (Hok-Chung Tsang) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr5.230808.581 Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept. Lines: 51 In article <[email protected]>, fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes: |> CarolinaFan@uiuc ([email protected]) wrote: |> : I have been active in defending Saturn lately on the net and would |> : like to state my full opinion on the subject, rather than just reply to others' |> : points. |> : |> : The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn |> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car. I think most will agree with me that the car is |> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced |> : compared to most cars in their class. I don't understand the point of |> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not? |> |> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either. |> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if |> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket |> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not |> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92. |> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was |> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I |> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but |> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important |> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT |> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit |> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has |> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money. |> |> Fred Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k. If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for the same car. So isn't that saving money? Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will: 1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY. 2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive. Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even the buyers for other cars will pay less. Isn't that saving money? $0.02, doug.

From: [email protected] (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Lines: 21 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (James R Ebright) writes: >In article [email protected] (Brad Templeton) writes: > >[...]> >>The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk, >>would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You >[...]> >>Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences >>of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse >>than the consequences of a secret backup. > >If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, you effectively have >secure crypto. If secret backups are kept...then you effectively have >no crypto. Thus, this poster is essentialy arguing no crypto is better >than secure crypto. No, the poster (me) has his brain in the wrong gear. As you can infer from the first sentence, I meant the consequences of no backup are *better* than the consequences of an easy to copy database. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr19.130922.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes: > Gene Wright ([email protected]) wrote: > : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation > : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. > : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin > : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! > > I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I > throw around the $1 billion figure for that "reward." I suggest that > you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. > > This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which > should be one of NASA's primary goals. > > -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office > [email protected] (713) 483-4368 > > "Better. Faster. Cheaper." -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator Also would maybe get the Russians Involved. After all they do have the resources to do it in part.. But they need the capital and the goal.. I wonder if renting the russians resources would be a disqualification? == Michael Adams, [email protected] -- I'm not high, just jacked

From: [email protected] (Mike Coe) Subject: window manager Organization: /users/student/coe/.organization Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: leopard.cs.uidaho.edu I currently use a window manager called ctwm which is very similar to hp's vuewm. (i.e. it has multiple workspaces). Is there a motif based window manager that has this same feature and is not a memory pig like vue? mike -- Michael L Coe | "A mind is a terrible thing." Laboratory of Applied Logic | University of Idaho | [email protected] | [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Brad Gibson) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: nukta.astro.ubc.ca In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > >In article [email protected], [email protected] (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes: > >>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from >>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than >>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a >>decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). > >Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style >player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive >responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his >ice time. > >Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a "me first" attitude. >This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time. > >Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than >Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty >sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When >you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident >that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one. > Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its "quality" (i.e., is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. Brad -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brad K. Gibson INTERNET: [email protected] Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy #129-2219 Main Mall PHONE: (604)822-6722 University of British Columbia FAX: (604)822-6047 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada V6T 1Z4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (David Wilson) Subject: COMPUTER/AUDIO/VIDEO/FURNITURE needed as of 4/18 Lines: 60 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 60 Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items. If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me: EMail [email protected] Phone (703)552-4381 USMail Michael Beck 1200 Progress Street #5500E Blacksburg, Virginia 24060 Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc) ~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~ COMPUTER EQUIP: 1 CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used) 1 Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used) 1 Macintosh computer 1 486 66mhz chip (New or Used) 1 COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used) 1 101 key-AT keyboard 1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive 1 Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series 1 Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET 1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL 1 Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used) 1 Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386 1 130 MB IDE Hard Drive 2 17" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital NON-COMPUTER EQUIP: 1 drum set mult. amps for a band 1 TV - 27" or bigger, stereo 1 VCR - 4 Heads, stereo 1 Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound capability 1 Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please 1 Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints

From: [email protected] (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Goalie mask poll Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Hrivnak) writes: >Current votes for favorite goalie masks (3pts - 1st, 2pts - 2nd, 1pt - 3rd) >Others receiving less than 4pts: Mike Vernon (Cal), Clint > Glenn Healy (NYI), Toy Espo (???), Gilles Gratton (???), ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is this Tony Esposito? If memory serves me correctly, Chicago. God I hope I am right, otherwise I will never hear the end of it. ;-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! [email protected] IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! "A cow is not a vegetarian dish." -- Keith Keller, 1993

From: [email protected] (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 74 >[I think you're talking about the "assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary". It says that "The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory." This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a >Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical >support. Note that Catholics do not believe in "sola scriptura". >That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of >Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little >Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe >that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also >that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet >another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us >the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh] In the Bible, there are a lot of instances where God speaks to people, where a person just "came to know" some piece of information, where a person walks off into the desert for "40 days", etc. With all of God's power He certainly can do whatever He wants when He wants it. The Bible "ends" with the book of Revelations. But does God's reign end there ? No. So who can say for sure that God's messages are either no longer happening or still happening ? I can now hear the clamor for proof. 8-) With the cold response I've gotten from the past from this group, it's very hard to get the point across. I'll only go over the physical stuff so that skeptics can look at documents stored somewhere. I've cited the uncorrupted bodies of saints before. They're still there. 8-) The apparitions at Fatima, Portugal culminated in a miracle specifically granted to show God's existence. That was the spinning/descending of the sun. It was seen in several countries. That event is "approved" by the Pope. Currently, images of Mary in Japan, Korea, Yugoslavia, Philippines, Africa are showing tears (natural or blood). These are still under investigation by the Church. But realize that investigations take decades to finish. And if the message is Christ will come in ten days, that's a bit too late, isn't it 8-). Other events under investigation are inner locutions ("coming to know"), stigmata (the person exhibits Christ's wounds. And they don't heal. And doctor's don't know why). Non-believers are welcome to pore through documents, I'm sure. This stuff is not like Koresh. Or Oral Roberts (give me $5M or God will call me home). It's free. Find out why they're happening (as we ourselves are studying why). If anybody can figure this out, tell us ! You can be of any religion. If you have the resources, go to one of the countries I mentioned. These are not "members only" events. God and Mary invites everybody. So in conclusion (finally) ... We RC's believe in the modern day manifestations of God and Mary. We are scared to death sometimes although we're told not to. There are more proofs and events. And that is why "not everything is in the Bible". Although in a lot of the apparitions, we are told to read the Bible. As far as the Protestant vs. Catholics issue is concerned... In the end, God's churches will unite. I'm not sure how. I have some idea. But the point is we shouldn't worry about the "versus" part. Just do God's work. That's all that matters. Unity will come. BTW, I'm just a plain person. I'm not the Pope's spokesperson. But I am RC. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' [email protected] | The Lost Los Angelino |

From: [email protected] (Steve Manes) Subject: 1988 BMW K75S For Sale Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 10 3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B' tires. Garaged and pampered. I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go. Best offer above $4500 takes it. -- Stephen Manes [email protected] Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o

From: [email protected] (Russell Schulz) Subject: Re: 16550 UARTs (was: uucico for windows) Reply-To: [email protected] (Russell Schulz) Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.03 Lines: 14 [email protected] (Fred Waller) writes: >> 16550s are _not_ stupid! > > Actually, they are, in the sense that hardware solutions to > a software problem are not proper. A programmer's function [much deleted] amazing. I could not find _one_ reference to waffle in all of this. followups redirected out. -- Russell Schulz [email protected] ersys!rschulz Shad 86c

From: [email protected] (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism) Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 41 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <[email protected]> >[email protected] (Fred Rice) writes: > >>>>"AND IT IS HE (GOD ALMIGHTY) WHO CREATED THE NIGHT AND THE >>>>DAY, AND THE SUN AND THE EARTH: ALL (THE CELETIAL BODIES) >>>>SWIM ALONG, EACH IN ITS ROUNDED COURSE." (Holy Quran 21:33) >> >>>Hmm. This agrees with the Ptolemic system of the earth at the centre, >>>with the planets orbitting round it. So Copernicus and Gallileo were >>>wrong after all! >> >>You haven't read very carefully -- if you look again, you will see that >>it doesn't say anything about what is circling what. > >Anyway, they are not moving in circles. Oops, sorry, my words, not the words of the Qur'an. >Nor is there any evidence that >everything goes around in a rounded course in a general sense. Wishy- >washy statements are not scientific. Note that "(the celestial bodies)" in the above verse is an interpolation (which is why it is in brackets) -- it is the translator's (incorrect, IMHO) interpretation. Here is Maurice Bucaille's translation (he studied Arabic for his research into the Qur'an and science) of this verse: "(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (Qur'an :33) The positive aspect of this verse noted by Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that while geocentrism was the commonly accepted notion at the time (and for a long time afterwards), there is no notion of geocentrism in this verse (or anywhere in the Qur'an). Fred Rice [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Joe Kellett) Subject: Re: Hell Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael Covington) writes: > >In a short poem ("God in His mercy made / the fixed pains of Hell"), >C. S. Lewis expresses an idea that I'm sure was current among others, >but I haven't be able to find its source: > >that even Hell is an expression of mercy, because God limits the amount >of separation from Him, and hence the amount of agony, that one can >achieve. > I have also heard it called an expression of mercy, because Heaven would be far more agonizing for those who had rejected God. -- Joe Kellett [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 34 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John E. King) wrote: > Not exactly. The prophesy clearly implies that people would > still be living in the area, but by the same token it would > never be "rebuilt". Obviously , if people are still there they > would live in houses, correct? Their "nets" implies a fishing > village. This is exactly what it has become -- a far cry from > its original position of stature . Let's see, if Alexander destroyed Tyre, and people move back, and they construct houses, and after a while 14000 people live there and still call it Tyre, it is not considered to be rebuilt. Instead it's considered to be 'just-some-people-that-got-together-for-fishing- and-they-needed-houses' place. > So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000. > Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards > we are talking about a one-horse town. Sigh, I was never born in a city then (my home town has 10.000 people). I have to consult my city and inform them that it's from now a fishing village. When this city (Kristinestad) was founded in the 17:th century about 1000 people lived there, so the norms were even more bizarre for dumb Swedish queens who founded cities along the coast of Finland. I would like to know why Paul thought is was worth mentioning the small fishing place of Tyre in Acts. Again, maybe he was a keen fisherman and wanted to visit the shores of Tyre? :-) Cheers, Kent --- [email protected]. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.

From: [email protected] (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: jiggers Originator: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 62 I may not be the world's greatest expert on chiggers (a type of mite indigenous to the south), but I certainly have spent a lot of time contemplating the little buggers over the past six years (since we moved to N.C.). Here are some observations gained from painful experience: 1. Reactions to chiggers vary greatly from person to person. Some people get tiny red bites. Others (like me) are more sensitive and get fairly large swollen sore-like affairs. 2. Chigger bites are the gift that keeps on giving. I swear that these things will itch for months. 3. There is a lot of folklore about chiggers. I think most of it is fiction. I have tried to do research on the critters, since they have such an effect on me. The only book I could find on the subject was a *single* book in UNC's special collections library. I have not yet gone through what is required to get it. 4. Based on my experience and that of my family members, the old folk remedy of fingernail polish simply doesn't work. I recall reading that the theory upon which it is based (that the chiggers burrow into your skin and continue to party there) is false. I think it is more likely that the reaction is to toxins of some sort the little pests release. But this is speculation. 5. The *best* approach is prevention. A couple of things work well. A good insect repellent (DEET) such as Deep Woods Off liberally applied to ankles, waistband, etc. is a good start. There is another preparation called "Chig Away" that is a combination of sulfur and some kind of cream (cortisone?) that originally was prepared for the Army and is not commercially available. In the summer I put this on my ankles every morning when I get up on weekends since I literally can't go outside where we live (in the country) without serious consequences. (They apparently don't like sulfur much at all. You can use sulfur as a dust on your body or clothing to repel them.) 6. No amount of prevention will be *completely* successful. Forget the fingernail polish. I have finally settled upon a treatment that involves topical application of a combination of cortisone creme (reduces the inflamation and swelling) and benzocaine (relieves the itch). I won't tell you all the things I've tried. Nor will I tell you some of the things my wife does since this counts as minor surgery and is best not mentioned (I also think it gains nothing). 7. The swelling and itching can also be significantly relieved by the application of hot packs, and this seems to speed recovery as well. Doctors seem not to care much about chiggers. The urban and suburban doctors apparently don't encounter them much. And the rural doctors seem to regard them as a force of nature that one must endure. I suspect that anyone who could come up with a good treatment for chiggers would make a *lot* of money. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 [email protected] ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm

From: [email protected] (Chris Brinton) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cache Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA Lines: 38 In article [email protected], [email protected] (Penio Penev) writes: >On 15 Apr 1993 20:14:20 GMT Divya Sundaram ([email protected]) wrote: > >| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. >| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. >| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work >| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). > >I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is >DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of >the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between >5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the >interface between the controller and the memory. > >My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. > >-- >Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: [email protected] > >Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. I also have a DX2/66 and a Maxtor 212. I have a local bus IDE controller (generic) and I get 985 KB/s. I tried swapping my local bus IDE controller for an ISA IDE controller and my transfer rate went to 830 KB/s. The specs for this drive show a maximum platter to controller transfer rate of 2.83 MB/s. I dont know how to get there from here. The local bus interface got me a little, but certainly not as much as I had hoped. I am also looking for a way to improve my disk performance, but Im not convinced that the controller is the bottleneck (although Im willing to entertain the possibility that it is). I am already running a big main memory disk cache, so Im not really interested in this solution either. --- Chris Brinton Teradyne, Inc. [email protected] "My opinions are my own, but you're welcome to them."

From: [email protected] (1016/2EF221) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 35 I guess the cryptowranglers read this group too. But of course I knew that because it is so easy to do. There is not a single doubt in my mind that every byte that passes every significant gateway or 'bone is captured for the colligation of data about __________? (Maybe your name is here). Maybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted posts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private key. For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private key corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out by a moderator. Minutes, followup comments to other participants, and so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use of the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for non-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key but otherwises not encrypted. Starting a alt.encrypted newsgroup rather than just maintaining mailing lists is better for several reasons. First, it would be easier to archive for people who might join a group "late" and who might like to easily read earlier posts; second, traffic analysis to know exactly to whom an affinity message is directed would be foiled; three, a newsgroup is much more public and would serve to publicize available privacy measures on the internet. And it would be fun to accumulate a secret keyring full of such keys -- it beats giving out t-shirts as a door prize. We could send a copy of alt.encrypted directly to Judge William Sessions or Admiral Studeman to save them the time of having it collected for them. -- [email protected] 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F

From: [email protected] (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: "clipper chip" Lines: 30 From: "dan mckinnon" <[email protected]> I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is unknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I found in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star: 'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy Politics is of course Dirty Pool, old man, and here we have a classic example: the NSA and the administration have been working on this for a *long* time, and in parallel with the announcement to us techies, we see they're hitting the press with propoganda. It's my bet the big magazines - Byte, Scientific American, et all - will be ready to run with a pre-written government-slanted story on this in the next issue. ('Just keep us some pages spare boys, we'll give you the copy in time for the presses') We *must* get big names in the industry to write well argued pieces against this proposal (can you call it that when it's a de facto announcement?) and get them into the big magazines before too much damage is done. It would be well worth folks archiving all the discussions from here since the day of the announcement to keep all the arguments at our fingertips. I think between us we could write quite a good piece. Now, who among us carries enough clout to guarantee publication? Phil? Don Parker? Mitch Kapor? G

From: [email protected] (Gilles KHOUZAM) Subject: Re: Workgroup Questions (conven. ram and licensing) Summary: Good Choice Keywords: W4WG Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 55 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >I would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few >questions about Windows for Workgroups. > >I currently have Novell Netware Lite which does not work with >Windows very well and is a conventional memory hog (ver. 1.1). >I am considering moving all our machines to W4WG. > >Q1: How much conventional ram does W4WG use over and above the > driver for the network card? I have just checked it and you have three files that are loaded: PROTMAN : 128 Bytes DRIVER : 9072 Bytes WORKGRP : 4416 Bytes > >Q2: If I have a Novell NE2000 card, are the LSL and IPX drivers > still needed? No W4WG uses it's own drivers. > >Q3: Does W4WG do a license check over the network to ensure each > machine is running its own licenced copy of W4WG? (Note: I do > not want to break the license agreement and I will buy a copy > of W4WG for each of our machines, it is just that I would like > to try it out first to see if it meets our needs. Returning one > opened copy is much easier than returning N opened copies.) Not that I know of, I bought two copies, had some problems with one installed both from the same copie, no problems. Do worry I just had a really old BIOS and that's the only problem I got. > >Q4: If you buy the upgrade to Windows 3.1 for W4WG does it replace > all of Win 3.1 as you install it or does it depend on current > Win 3.1 files? It will replace all older files (I think) and prompt you for the others. > >Q5: If I install Windows NT on my server when it comes out, will I have > any troubles with the W4WG machines? This I do not know... > >When I started this message, I was going to ask only 2 questions but I got carried >away. I'll stop now ;-). > >I look forward to your replies. > >Al Hope this helps GEL

From: Valentin E. Vulihman <[email protected]> Subject: Attractive drawing on the sphere Lines: 2 Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Inst. of Prec. Mech. & Comp. Equip., Moscow, Russia subscribe comp.graphics quit

From: Anna Matyas <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Joel Alvstad writes: >A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars, >or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of >5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted >two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to >play. This is very sad indeed. My condolences to the Minnesota fans who are losing their team. I fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team left in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers. We should always enjoy things when we can. You never know when they'll be taken away from us. Mom.

From: [email protected] (Heikki Haldre) Subject: (Q) CONNER HD specs Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Can anybody send CONNER CP-321 harddisk specifications? It has 612 Cyl, and 4 HD, but I am more intrested in its time-out values, precomp, etc. Heikki Haldre Internet: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: Space Debris Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 10 Distribution: world Reply-To: [email protected] (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov > Keesler, Loftus, Potter, Stansbery, Kubriek....? I gues it is Keesler. The others do not ring the bell but they might be involved as well. Sometime ago Keesler was here at Langley teaching a course on space debris and, if my memory does not fai,l I think there was even a reference to a book on the subject. [email protected] Claudio Oliveira Egalon

From: [email protected] (Shaun P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: San Francisco State University Distribution: inet Lines: 27 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >Tarl Neustaedter ([email protected]) wrote: > >: It means that the EFF's public stance is complicated with issues irrelevant >: to the encryption issue per se. There may well be people who care about >: the encryption issue who don't care to associate themselves with the >: network erotica issue (or may even disagree with the EFF's position). > >Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it >was posted encrypted? > >These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. > Now why would anyone "post" anything encrypted? Encryption is only of use between persons who know how to decrypt the data. And why should I care what other people look at? What does concern me is the continued erosion of my constitutional rights. ( Amendments I, II, IV, and V to note a few. ) -- Shaun P. Hughes "Facts are Stupid Things." [email protected] Ronald Reagan Republican National Finger for PGP 2.2 Public Key Convention 1988

From: [email protected] (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 32 }>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make }>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside }>of their group or level of understanding. There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash. The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify: Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards, anyway) because they have never held education above basic reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant. (They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage of any group). White trash: "White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell." -- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under- qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are mean as snakes. The "squeal like a pig" boys in _Deliverance_ may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell white trash. White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be. -- Curtis Jackson [email protected] '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" '92 Collie/Golden "George" "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

From: [email protected] (Chris Hudel) Subject: 4-plane Xterminal (Do I want one?) Keywords: plane, Xterminal Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 12 I've been offerred an old 4-bits/pixel greyscale Xterminal. Aside from the "real people have already upgraded to RISC architecture R5 servers", do I want this Xterminal? I'm concerned about the 4-planes...I've only ever heard of 1 (mono) and 8 (colour) planes -- will I have any concerns with this 4-plane unit? [Specifically related to 4-planes vs 1 or 8] Thanks! -C- PS: all R5 apps run on R4/R3 servers,right?

From: [email protected] (Clay Finley) Subject: Re: Carrying Arms Nntp-Posting-Host: rsd21.rsd.dl.nec.com Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept Distribution: usa Lines: 22 |> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dan White) writes: |> |> >However, haven't we already lost our right to bear arms? |> |> > It seems that in most states, like Texas, a citizen may own a |> >gun and carry while at his home or business. But a citizen is severely |> >restricted from bearing outside these areas. Here in Texas you cannot |> >carry in your car except when "traveling" which is usually defined as |> >"traveling across a county line." How did this come about? Are there |> >any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a |> >weapon outside the home? |> In Texas, it is legal to carry handguns while "traveling", and also to and from sporting activities. ^^^^^^^^ Chapter 46 of the Texas State Penal Code does NOT restrict long guns. Therefore, it is legal to carry and transport long guns any place in Texas. Regards, Clay