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>Trump cutting off billions in ammo and weaponry is better than a cautious approach
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>Trump cutting off billions in ammo and weaponry is better than a cautious approach
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Europe being able to support Ukraine without restraints will lead to Ukrainian victory.
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Europe being able to support Ukraine without restraints will lead to Ukrainian victory.
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Europe is not yet ready to do so, and cutting off that aid this early will only demoralize and result in unnecessary Ukrainian casualties
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Europe is not yet ready to do so, and cutting off that aid this early will only demoralize and result in unnecessary Ukrainian casualties
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2024-17-06
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> What are you taking about? It's enraging. It's infuriating.
Things can be "fucking tragic" while also being "enraging" as well as "heartbreaking" and "infuriating" simultaneously. Anger and sadness over an event are not incompatible.
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> What are you taking about? It's enraging. It's infuriating.
Things can be "fucking tragic" while also being "enraging" as well as "heartbreaking" and "infuriating" simultaneously. Anger and sadness over an event are not incompatible.
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2024-17-06
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For Russia to lose Crimea we would likely need to see a widespread collapse of their front line which would probably coincide with a societal or government collapse in Russia as well. I won't say that that's out of the picture entirely but it doesn't seem likely in the short term.
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For Russia to lose Crimea we would likely need to see a widespread collapse of their front line which would probably coincide with a societal or government collapse in Russia as well. I won't say that that's out of the picture entirely but it doesn't seem likely in the short term.
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2024-17-06
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Why do people always always do this on these reddits as if to invalidate the poster above.
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Why do people always always do this on these reddits as if to invalidate the poster above.
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2024-17-06
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Don't expect Russian lines to break or Ukraine to gain air superiority. Russia still has a lot of air defense and Ukraine won't have that many western fighter jets or long range missiles. Instead expect Russia to spread their air defense thin over larger and larger ground which will make it easier for Ukraine to pick off valuable targets like command HQs, air bases logistics hubs, oil refineries, other air defense systems or warships. This will drive up the cost of the war and make Russian advances harder and more costly. Over a prolonged period the balance of power on the ground will gradually move more towards Ukraine.
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Don't expect Russian lines to break or Ukraine to gain air superiority. Russia still has a lot of air defense and Ukraine won't have that many western fighter jets or long range missiles. Instead expect Russia to spread their air defense thin over larger and larger ground which will make it easier for Ukraine to pick off valuable targets like command HQs, air bases logistics hubs, oil refineries, other air defense systems or warships. This will drive up the cost of the war and make Russian advances harder and more costly. Over a prolonged period the balance of power on the ground will gradually move more towards Ukraine.
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2024-17-06
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Can you show me examples of heavy equipment that's missed by Oryx? Jakub & the team would appreciate it.
Andrew said that we shouldn't use his counts to study loss ratios, because he isn't trying to sample evenly. He's looking for data that's interesting for mapping. He does get bigger numbers because he includes civilian vans etc, but I think attrition of actual military equipment is more important so I'm posting those.
Warspotting is stricter and has better search/geolocation tools than Oryx, but it only reports russian losses.
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Can you show me examples of heavy equipment that's missed by Oryx? Jakub & the team would appreciate it.
Andrew said that we shouldn't use his counts to study loss ratios, because he isn't trying to sample evenly. He's looking for data that's interesting for mapping. He does get bigger numbers because he includes civilian vans etc, but I think attrition of actual military equipment is more important so I'm posting those.
Warspotting is stricter and has better search/geolocation tools than Oryx, but it only reports russian losses.
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2024-17-06
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Regarding who records more losses, I know Andrew records certain things like Starlink terminals and dirt bikes and golf carts (and even humorously records trees and decoys that get hit when drones miss) that Oryx doesn't count because they aren't major pieces of equipment. So his overall numbers will be higher just because of that.
Also, historically (and this may have changed) Andrew said that he specifically looked for videos that were geolocatable so that he could update his map. In other words, his goal was to determine lines of control on a map, not necessarily to find every single piece of lost equipment. Whereas Oryx is solely focused on tracking equipment. I would also say Oryx is very dutiful about finding every piece of equipment lost they can, regardless of who lost it.
Another reason for using Oryx is that he has a single data set collected in a consistent manner for the entire duration of the war. So it's a lot easier to make comparisons over time than it is with Andrew's data, just because Andrew hasn't collected it for as long.
None of this should be taken to minimize or criticize the work Andrew Perpetua is doing, it's really good work. But I think for the purposes of tracking losses and comparing Russian and Ukrainian losses, Oryx has a better data set (and you can't use WarSpotting for that because they don't track Ukrainian losses).
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Regarding who records more losses, I know Andrew records certain things like Starlink terminals and dirt bikes and golf carts (and even humorously records trees and decoys that get hit when drones miss) that Oryx doesn't count because they aren't major pieces of equipment. So his overall numbers will be higher just because of that.
Also, historically (and this may have changed) Andrew said that he specifically looked for videos that were geolocatable so that he could update his map. In other words, his goal was to determine lines of control on a map, not necessarily to find every single piece of lost equipment. Whereas Oryx is solely focused on tracking equipment. I would also say Oryx is very dutiful about finding every piece of equipment lost they can, regardless of who lost it.
Another reason for using Oryx is that he has a single data set collected in a consistent manner for the entire duration of the war. So it's a lot easier to make comparisons over time than it is with Andrew's data, just because Andrew hasn't collected it for as long.
None of this should be taken to minimize or criticize the work Andrew Perpetua is doing, it's really good work. But I think for the purposes of tracking losses and comparing Russian and Ukrainian losses, Oryx has a better data set (and you can't use WarSpotting for that because they don't track Ukrainian losses).
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2024-17-06
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Great to hear that things have improved for you
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Great to hear that things have improved for you
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> At the Global Peace Summit, we made the first tangible step towards peace in unprecedented unity with nations worldwide.
> This is a historic success for Ukraine, with numerous leaders and countries gathered for our cause and peace. I extend my gratitude to all participants.
> However, peace is a journey, requiring continuous effort. We are already preparing the next steps, particularly the inclusion of more states in the Summit's final communiqué and organizing working groups on the Peace Formula to unite nations around concrete, actionable plans that will restore security.
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1802743293043765404
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> At the Global Peace Summit, we made the first tangible step towards peace in unprecedented unity with nations worldwide.
> This is a historic success for Ukraine, with numerous leaders and countries gathered for our cause and peace. I extend my gratitude to all participants.
> However, peace is a journey, requiring continuous effort. We are already preparing the next steps, particularly the inclusion of more states in the Summit's final communiqué and organizing working groups on the Peace Formula to unite nations around concrete, actionable plans that will restore security.
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1802743293043765404
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2024-17-06
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It’s always good to hear from you mate!
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It’s always good to hear from you mate!
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-nato-chiefs-nuclear-weapons-remarks-are-an-escalation-2024-06-17/
Stoltenberg clarified his comments were about modernization, which has been a NATO discussion point for years. Another representative said there's no change in deterrence posture. The original interview article also used the word "standby" instead of "alert." Nuclear weapons are always on standby, that's their entire purpose.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-nato-chiefs-nuclear-weapons-remarks-are-an-escalation-2024-06-17/
Stoltenberg clarified his comments were about modernization, which has been a NATO discussion point for years. Another representative said there's no change in deterrence posture. The original interview article also used the word "standby" instead of "alert." Nuclear weapons are always on standby, that's their entire purpose.
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2024-18-06
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So is US vs Russia. I'm just highlighting the absurdity of Russia losing so many men for such an underwhelming result.
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So is US vs Russia. I'm just highlighting the absurdity of Russia losing so many men for such an underwhelming result.
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2024-18-06
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[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/1dihn2m/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
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[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/1dihn2m/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/)
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The French goverment that is fueling this is so hypocrite and so out of touch, Istead of helping get the hostages back and end the war Israel didnt ask for they just fuel hatered, racism and dont help end the war in any way.
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The French goverment that is fueling this is so hypocrite and so out of touch, Istead of helping get the hostages back and end the war Israel didnt ask for they just fuel hatered, racism and dont help end the war in any way.
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2024-17-06
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Exactly!
Macron is delusional if he thinks it's going to help him politically.
Also forr those who are not aware, the expo's focus this year is TERRORISM !
Chinese weapons were used by the 9/11 terrorists.
...China has 10 exhibits....
Israel, which has been fighting terrorists as we speak, and for the last 70 years,is banned by Macron.
Does Macron even understand how DUMB his decision is , or why the right is winning ?
Or is he caving in the French defense industry by eliminating Israeli competition ?
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Exactly!
Macron is delusional if he thinks it's going to help him politically.
Also forr those who are not aware, the expo's focus this year is TERRORISM !
Chinese weapons were used by the 9/11 terrorists.
...China has 10 exhibits....
Israel, which has been fighting terrorists as we speak, and for the last 70 years,is banned by Macron.
Does Macron even understand how DUMB his decision is , or why the right is winning ?
Or is he caving in the French defense industry by eliminating Israeli competition ?
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2024-17-06
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Idk if box cutters count as “Chinese-made weapons” all things considered. The implication that China had anything to do with 9/11 is also odd.
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Idk if box cutters count as “Chinese-made weapons” all things considered. The implication that China had anything to do with 9/11 is also odd.
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2024-17-06
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Shameful disgraceful behavior by the French.
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Shameful disgraceful behavior by the French.
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2024-17-06
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Except of course this happens in every conflict between Israel and Gaza. After the war ends people will move on to the next thing & forget about it until the next round starts in a few years.
Hamas has been doing this for almost 20 years & the Palestinians for decades more. Bad PR won’t destroy Israel.
Also more importantly is Israel has made great strides with its neighbors & is in the process of normalizing relations. This is far more important to Israel than what some European countries think as those Middle Eastern countries are the ones who can actually threaten Israel with military force (like they have done since its creation). After the war this process will continue.
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Except of course this happens in every conflict between Israel and Gaza. After the war ends people will move on to the next thing & forget about it until the next round starts in a few years.
Hamas has been doing this for almost 20 years & the Palestinians for decades more. Bad PR won’t destroy Israel.
Also more importantly is Israel has made great strides with its neighbors & is in the process of normalizing relations. This is far more important to Israel than what some European countries think as those Middle Eastern countries are the ones who can actually threaten Israel with military force (like they have done since its creation). After the war this process will continue.
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2024-17-06
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Sure it all started when the Soviet union and usa used the middle east as a proxy warzone for resources.
Iran in the 70's was not the extremist religious sect as it is now but the british and usa couldn't stand another country being the owner of their own resources so they toppled the government and let an extremist old fashion islamic group take over and now look at iran. Ask any persian how they feel about the current authority and how they came to power.
if you want to blaim the current situation on religious extremists sure go ahead but don't pretend all of them are like that. The root cause of all this is the dirty games played by global superpowers like usa, nato and russia and they made the environment that now makes extremists flourish.
The pattern is this:
country from the middle east would rather sell resources by the gold standard - > usa takes offence and wants them to sell by the dollar - > usa looks for a bullshit reason to invade - > destroys the infrastructure and kills many innocent civilians - > topples the government who wanted to sell by gold standard - > puts puppet state that sells by dollar standard and doesnt care about their corruption - > corruption grows bigger and resentment becomes extremism - > people who already had nothing and saw people getting killed for oil become angry and are recruited by piece of shit clerics - > new wave of terrorism
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Sure it all started when the Soviet union and usa used the middle east as a proxy warzone for resources.
Iran in the 70's was not the extremist religious sect as it is now but the british and usa couldn't stand another country being the owner of their own resources so they toppled the government and let an extremist old fashion islamic group take over and now look at iran. Ask any persian how they feel about the current authority and how they came to power.
if you want to blaim the current situation on religious extremists sure go ahead but don't pretend all of them are like that. The root cause of all this is the dirty games played by global superpowers like usa, nato and russia and they made the environment that now makes extremists flourish.
The pattern is this:
country from the middle east would rather sell resources by the gold standard - > usa takes offence and wants them to sell by the dollar - > usa looks for a bullshit reason to invade - > destroys the infrastructure and kills many innocent civilians - > topples the government who wanted to sell by gold standard - > puts puppet state that sells by dollar standard and doesnt care about their corruption - > corruption grows bigger and resentment becomes extremism - > people who already had nothing and saw people getting killed for oil become angry and are recruited by piece of shit clerics - > new wave of terrorism
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2024-17-06
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> There is no way for a developed nation to win a war while they kill civilians.
Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki say hello.
It's funny that the last time Western nations were actually faced with an existential threat and an enemy that would target civilians, we had absolutely no qualms with dropping millions of tonnes of incendiaries and napalm on major cities.
Not to mention the two nukes.
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> There is no way for a developed nation to win a war while they kill civilians.
Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki say hello.
It's funny that the last time Western nations were actually faced with an existential threat and an enemy that would target civilians, we had absolutely no qualms with dropping millions of tonnes of incendiaries and napalm on major cities.
Not to mention the two nukes.
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2024-17-06
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So, you ban Israeli nationals from attending the whole expo because it may cause “significant reputational damage“, yet you let China and the Saudis attend? What kind of thought process is this lol
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So, you ban Israeli nationals from attending the whole expo because it may cause “significant reputational damage“, yet you let China and the Saudis attend? What kind of thought process is this lol
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2024-17-06
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Ah yes, the defense industry and their famous lack of awareness of Yemen and the war(s) going on there /s
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Ah yes, the defense industry and their famous lack of awareness of Yemen and the war(s) going on there /s
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2024-17-06
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Absolutely dumb idea indeed.
Which is why, in spite of Macro's gov idiotic move, sane countries, know where the value and experience is:
https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/hkybavph0
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Absolutely dumb idea indeed.
Which is why, in spite of Macro's gov idiotic move, sane countries, know where the value and experience is:
https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/hkybavph0
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2024-17-06
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“We don’t mind the world thinking we’re child killers… but man when we stop receiving arms shipments we are gonna look really bad.”
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“We don’t mind the world thinking we’re child killers… but man when we stop receiving arms shipments we are gonna look really bad.”
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2024-17-06
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A European thought process with 2000 years of history.
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A European thought process with 2000 years of history.
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2024-17-06
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They seemed to be celebrating the houthis on USA college campuses though
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They seemed to be celebrating the houthis on USA college campuses though
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2024-17-06
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Israel approved the sale of advanced anti-drone electronic warfare systems to Ukraine three months ago. And this while Israel is being bombarded daily by literally thousands of Hezbollah rockets and drones, so it's not like these aren't useful to keep on the home front.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-israel-said-to-authorize-sale-of-defensive-military-equipment-to-ukraine/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-israel-said-to-authorize-sale-of-defensive-military-equipment-to-ukraine/)
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Israel approved the sale of advanced anti-drone electronic warfare systems to Ukraine three months ago. And this while Israel is being bombarded daily by literally thousands of Hezbollah rockets and drones, so it's not like these aren't useful to keep on the home front.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-israel-said-to-authorize-sale-of-defensive-military-equipment-to-ukraine/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-israel-said-to-authorize-sale-of-defensive-military-equipment-to-ukraine/)
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2024-17-06
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I think they’re taking issue with the “most” of the “most people” part of the statement. SA has been the focus for campaigners, but that effort has been a blip on the radar with pretty much no penetration of the wider public consciousness.
Comparing it to the engagement from Israel - Gaza does show a huge difference in attention, though I suspect most people still don’t passionately care.
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I think they’re taking issue with the “most” of the “most people” part of the statement. SA has been the focus for campaigners, but that effort has been a blip on the radar with pretty much no penetration of the wider public consciousness.
Comparing it to the engagement from Israel - Gaza does show a huge difference in attention, though I suspect most people still don’t passionately care.
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2024-18-06
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The pastors example is irrelevant, I've specifically emphasized actions based on holy scripture. A strict society will always breed these things, you can also see a higher percentage of pedophilia in Orthodox Jews circles. That doesn't mean the old testament promotes pedophilia.
There are many shitty scriptures in all religions, but the difference is that other religions have modern non-violent interpretations to these scriptures in order to avoid violence. Most religions have evolved past certain shitty scriptures. Islam is still stuck in believing that you should execute the shitty scriptures. Do you see Christianity or Judaism systematically call for murdering others and promising a place in heaven for those who do?
And yes, there may be "Muslims just living their lives", but you're trying to use it as an excuse to ignore the vast infrastructure of Islam to indoctrinate people into extremist activities. A vast infrastructure that doesn't exist in other religions. You're basically saying that 30% is equal to 1%, because both aren't 100%.
There's an easy way to end this debate and move it past opinions and feelings. Just look at the statistics on the number of religion-based attacks and see which religion is responsible for most terrorist attacks in the past 50 years. Spoiler alert: it's Islam. By a huge margin.
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The pastors example is irrelevant, I've specifically emphasized actions based on holy scripture. A strict society will always breed these things, you can also see a higher percentage of pedophilia in Orthodox Jews circles. That doesn't mean the old testament promotes pedophilia.
There are many shitty scriptures in all religions, but the difference is that other religions have modern non-violent interpretations to these scriptures in order to avoid violence. Most religions have evolved past certain shitty scriptures. Islam is still stuck in believing that you should execute the shitty scriptures. Do you see Christianity or Judaism systematically call for murdering others and promising a place in heaven for those who do?
And yes, there may be "Muslims just living their lives", but you're trying to use it as an excuse to ignore the vast infrastructure of Islam to indoctrinate people into extremist activities. A vast infrastructure that doesn't exist in other religions. You're basically saying that 30% is equal to 1%, because both aren't 100%.
There's an easy way to end this debate and move it past opinions and feelings. Just look at the statistics on the number of religion-based attacks and see which religion is responsible for most terrorist attacks in the past 50 years. Spoiler alert: it's Islam. By a huge margin.
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2024-18-06
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Isnt he team Russia?
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Isnt he team Russia?
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2024-17-06
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Serbia is interesting. They are team "whoever benefits me most right now". At times they sidle up to the EU, they also rub shoulders with Russia and China. It literally comes down to what they want or need at any given time.
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Serbia is interesting. They are team "whoever benefits me most right now". At times they sidle up to the EU, they also rub shoulders with Russia and China. It literally comes down to what they want or need at any given time.
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2024-17-06
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Where do I find the claim you make in the title in the content you have linked, OP?
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Where do I find the claim you make in the title in the content you have linked, OP?
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2024-17-06
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He stated it in the interview. It‘s a rather long one but the claims he makes about china, russia and europe are rather interesting.
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He stated it in the interview. It‘s a rather long one but the claims he makes about china, russia and europe are rather interesting.
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2024-17-06
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ok go on..
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ok go on..
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Well I don't they would like the IDF...
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Well I don't they would like the IDF...
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PA hasn't held elections for a reason...
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PA hasn't held elections for a reason...
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It is impossible to get an accurate poll result on a population that is under duress (starvation, disorder, active violent conflict, authoritarian rule: consider the whole point of authoritarian rule is to subvert democracy). I'd even argue that this has been the case with Palestinians since 1967.
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It is impossible to get an accurate poll result on a population that is under duress (starvation, disorder, active violent conflict, authoritarian rule: consider the whole point of authoritarian rule is to subvert democracy). I'd even argue that this has been the case with Palestinians since 1967.
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They like Hamas, they support Hamas, they help Hamas, they are effectively Hamas and are not innocents, they need to take responsibility for whats happening in Gaza, if they want to end the war and suffering Hamas must go and all hostages must be released, otherwise war goes on.
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They like Hamas, they support Hamas, they help Hamas, they are effectively Hamas and are not innocents, they need to take responsibility for whats happening in Gaza, if they want to end the war and suffering Hamas must go and all hostages must be released, otherwise war goes on.
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2024-17-06
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>It is impossible to get an accurate poll result
You mean impossible to get the result you would like
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>It is impossible to get an accurate poll result
You mean impossible to get the result you would like
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2024-17-06
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You do know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza right?
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You do know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza right?
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2024-17-06
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Oh, what a surprise.
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Oh, what a surprise.
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2024-17-06
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The question is... why? The answer is... imagine multiple generations of hatred for your "occupiers" and daily harassment from an armed force plus 100% conviction rates in courts. I too, would support whoever resisted in however way if I lost a father, mother, sibling in an unjustified way. It's a grim reality, not to mention Netanyahu's involvement in the rise of the terrorist group Hamas. They wanted this (7th attack) to happen all along, I wouldn't be surprised if they even let it happen. Bc now they can be justified in the eyes of the world through media in doing whatever atrocities they do bc "the terrorists did it first"
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The question is... why? The answer is... imagine multiple generations of hatred for your "occupiers" and daily harassment from an armed force plus 100% conviction rates in courts. I too, would support whoever resisted in however way if I lost a father, mother, sibling in an unjustified way. It's a grim reality, not to mention Netanyahu's involvement in the rise of the terrorist group Hamas. They wanted this (7th attack) to happen all along, I wouldn't be surprised if they even let it happen. Bc now they can be justified in the eyes of the world through media in doing whatever atrocities they do bc "the terrorists did it first"
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2024-17-06
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>America regularly does atrocities including torturing people and killing children in drone strikes
And Americans don't support those actions. Nor do those actions compare to October 7th. Try to keep up.
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>America regularly does atrocities including torturing people and killing children in drone strikes
And Americans don't support those actions. Nor do those actions compare to October 7th. Try to keep up.
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2024-17-06
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You sound OK with stealing people. You are a slavery apologist.
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You sound OK with stealing people. You are a slavery apologist.
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2024-17-06
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Support for Hamas was even higher before the invasion even started, there is no valid explanation for that besides the good old "palestinians like to murder jews".
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Support for Hamas was even higher before the invasion even started, there is no valid explanation for that besides the good old "palestinians like to murder jews".
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2024-17-06
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Which sub is it? The parent comment has been removed.
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2024-17-06
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It’s inconvenient for western values but the saddest part is the absence of any other tangible alternative for palestinians. Hamas doesn’t fight for democracy, equality or liberation. It’s about muslim supremacy.
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It’s inconvenient for western values but the saddest part is the absence of any other tangible alternative for palestinians. Hamas doesn’t fight for democracy, equality or liberation. It’s about muslim supremacy.
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2024-17-06
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I don’t think you can absolve the people of the government they put in place. The Palestinians chose to keep Hamas in power and largely support them even to this day. That doesn’t sound innocent to me. Blaming Hamas for Oct 7 is like blaming the Iraq war on Republicans.
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I don’t think you can absolve the people of the government they put in place. The Palestinians chose to keep Hamas in power and largely support them even to this day. That doesn’t sound innocent to me. Blaming Hamas for Oct 7 is like blaming the Iraq war on Republicans.
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2024-17-06
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>I find it odd that no one conciders this same radicalization effect applying to Israelis.
That would be because Israel is the aggressor in this situation. You don't get to complain about how the people whose land you're occupying have been desperately trying to fight back and stop your government from murdering innocent civilians.
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>I find it odd that no one conciders this same radicalization effect applying to Israelis.
That would be because Israel is the aggressor in this situation. You don't get to complain about how the people whose land you're occupying have been desperately trying to fight back and stop your government from murdering innocent civilians.
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2024-17-06
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I support hamas too
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I support hamas too
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2024-17-06
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And the Poles supported the Warsaw Uprising. What's the point lol
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And the Poles supported the Warsaw Uprising. What's the point lol
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2024-17-06
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I mean I believe the polls to be showing what was said, I just don't think that a poll taken during shelling, bombing and massive amounts of death and destruction is ever going to be massively relevant, especially when for a good time it seemed like most of the entire world had turned their back on Palestinian people and still we are struggling enough to get aid to these people.
[https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah)
It's been quite clear to me for a good time that the majority of palestinians are largely peaceful and are held under an authoritarian regime who treats their lives with about as much contempt as Israel does.
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I mean I believe the polls to be showing what was said, I just don't think that a poll taken during shelling, bombing and massive amounts of death and destruction is ever going to be massively relevant, especially when for a good time it seemed like most of the entire world had turned their back on Palestinian people and still we are struggling enough to get aid to these people.
[https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah](https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah)
It's been quite clear to me for a good time that the majority of palestinians are largely peaceful and are held under an authoritarian regime who treats their lives with about as much contempt as Israel does.
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2024-17-06
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The problem in a nutshell. You don't care about how they think, so you can't possibly change it and thus how they act. And in turn your dehumanising of them gives you justification for acting in kind (indeed, considerably worse by scale). Most of a century and you're all still at it.
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The problem in a nutshell. You don't care about how they think, so you can't possibly change it and thus how they act. And in turn your dehumanising of them gives you justification for acting in kind (indeed, considerably worse by scale). Most of a century and you're all still at it.
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2024-17-06
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The only thing that stops the Palestinians killing each other is the shared hatred of Jews, this argument can be further extended to the other Arab nations in the region if it wasn’t for Israel they’d be at war with each other.
A lot of the hostages were taken by non Hamas militia groups who if there was no Israel would be vying for power.
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The only thing that stops the Palestinians killing each other is the shared hatred of Jews, this argument can be further extended to the other Arab nations in the region if it wasn’t for Israel they’d be at war with each other.
A lot of the hostages were taken by non Hamas militia groups who if there was no Israel would be vying for power.
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2024-17-06
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The unbrainwashed masses already knew this. But again this whole conflict is he said she said, there is no “right” side. They’re both taking lives they have no right to.
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The unbrainwashed masses already knew this. But again this whole conflict is he said she said, there is no “right” side. They’re both taking lives they have no right to.
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2024-17-06
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In their defense, I'm not sure many maps exist currently that have Palestine listed. However, I do think a lot of liberals would have a radically different opinion on Israel's defensive war if liberals had to deal with rockets getting launched over their head each day by their neighbors.
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In their defense, I'm not sure many maps exist currently that have Palestine listed. However, I do think a lot of liberals would have a radically different opinion on Israel's defensive war if liberals had to deal with rockets getting launched over their head each day by their neighbors.
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2024-17-06
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Israel, the agressor? You do realize why this conflict escalated so much last year, right?
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Israel, the agressor? You do realize why this conflict escalated so much last year, right?
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2024-17-06
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I swear I'm not making this up, the other day on r/Tiktok someone said Israel should stop or else the Arab nations will start hating Israel.
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I swear I'm not making this up, the other day on r/Tiktok someone said Israel should stop or else the Arab nations will start hating Israel.
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2024-17-06
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as I said both sides have a serious case of lacking nuance and it is dangerous, we are debating over the lives of largely innocent people who are brought in to violence on both sides.
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as I said both sides have a serious case of lacking nuance and it is dangerous, we are debating over the lives of largely innocent people who are brought in to violence on both sides.
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2024-17-06
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And we can probably go back hundreds of years at a time, tit for tat, through various atrocities and invasions. Someday, perhaps, we might find out who “started it.”
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And we can probably go back hundreds of years at a time, tit for tat, through various atrocities and invasions. Someday, perhaps, we might find out who “started it.”
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2024-17-06
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Israel(conservatives in Israel who have been in charge) supported Hamas when the party formed because they didn't want Palestine to continue supporting the party that wanted a two state solution.
Israel would rather deal with the guys who say, "kill all Jews" because they want to kill them back rather than work towards a peaceful solution.
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Israel(conservatives in Israel who have been in charge) supported Hamas when the party formed because they didn't want Palestine to continue supporting the party that wanted a two state solution.
Israel would rather deal with the guys who say, "kill all Jews" because they want to kill them back rather than work towards a peaceful solution.
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2024-17-06
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Clearly, you dont know much about protests in Russia.
Really interested what you would do to fix a country, If you were Russian now
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Clearly, you dont know much about protests in Russia.
Really interested what you would do to fix a country, If you were Russian now
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2024-17-06
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There is [decades ](https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/ACLURM018927.pdf)of literature about the radicalization of Israelis. Israeli culture is extremely radicalized, the videos of genocidal chants are out in the open and not really denied (but mostly ignored by those primarily advocating for Israel). So to say that no one considers the same effect is mostly ignorance.
Most people advocating for the Palestinian cause however sympathise this radicalization as much as they would to the radicalization of a bully when the bullied punch back, as this is the power dynamic they perceive in this conflict. They understand this radicalization as a means towards motivating and exerting greater violence upon the Palestinians towards their stated goal of total subjugation of the indigenous population.
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There is [decades ](https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/ACLURM018927.pdf)of literature about the radicalization of Israelis. Israeli culture is extremely radicalized, the videos of genocidal chants are out in the open and not really denied (but mostly ignored by those primarily advocating for Israel). So to say that no one considers the same effect is mostly ignorance.
Most people advocating for the Palestinian cause however sympathise this radicalization as much as they would to the radicalization of a bully when the bullied punch back, as this is the power dynamic they perceive in this conflict. They understand this radicalization as a means towards motivating and exerting greater violence upon the Palestinians towards their stated goal of total subjugation of the indigenous population.
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2024-17-06
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The majority of those in Gaza have never had an opportunity to choose anything.
Glad to see you're just being fully out there with your racism though. Means we don't have to pretend you have a point beyond pure bigotry and ignorance.
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The majority of those in Gaza have never had an opportunity to choose anything.
Glad to see you're just being fully out there with your racism though. Means we don't have to pretend you have a point beyond pure bigotry and ignorance.
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2024-17-06
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No one, not Hamas or Fatah, had any real interest in liberal democracy. Just like most Arab nations.
It's just that for the Palestinians Fatah isn't 'instant death' but 'death by a thousand cuts', with Israeli settlers salami slicing their way through the West Bank. Do Palestinians want to go out with a bang, or death as a historical footnote? That's the politics of despair, as they're ultimately doomed.
Why you might ask? That's because the Arab World has abandoned them in return for US weapons and protection. If the Arab nations start using force against Israel, the US will disable their weapon systems, and that will open themselves for Israeli retaliation.
Across much of the Western-aligned Arab world, any popular dissent for the Palestinian cause means arrest, or worse. In other words fear is creating a chilling effect for anyone who wants to show support for the Palestinian cause. And the Palestinians know it.
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No one, not Hamas or Fatah, had any real interest in liberal democracy. Just like most Arab nations.
It's just that for the Palestinians Fatah isn't 'instant death' but 'death by a thousand cuts', with Israeli settlers salami slicing their way through the West Bank. Do Palestinians want to go out with a bang, or death as a historical footnote? That's the politics of despair, as they're ultimately doomed.
Why you might ask? That's because the Arab World has abandoned them in return for US weapons and protection. If the Arab nations start using force against Israel, the US will disable their weapon systems, and that will open themselves for Israeli retaliation.
Across much of the Western-aligned Arab world, any popular dissent for the Palestinian cause means arrest, or worse. In other words fear is creating a chilling effect for anyone who wants to show support for the Palestinian cause. And the Palestinians know it.
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2024-17-06
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Dehumanising? How? By giving you a history lesson? Those are facts. Hamas wants to kill Jews. Majority of Palestinians support Hamas. Did you see the celebrations in the streets of Gaza and Social Media on 7.10?
What in the victim blaming is this crap? You literally say it's our fault for Hamas wanting to kill Jews. How on earth is it my job to change their mind? Are you going to tell an African-American it's their job to talk to the KKK and change their minds? No? Why are Jews the only ones treated by you this way?
And the "considerably worse" response? Yes, sorry that the Israeli government actually works to protect its civilians while Hamas does everything to put civilians in harm's way because they gain politically from it. Or did you fail to notice Sinwar's comments on Palestinian deaths being "[necessary sacrifices](https://nypost.com/2024/06/11/world-news/hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-believes-palestinian-deaths-are-necessary-sacrifices/)"?
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Dehumanising? How? By giving you a history lesson? Those are facts. Hamas wants to kill Jews. Majority of Palestinians support Hamas. Did you see the celebrations in the streets of Gaza and Social Media on 7.10?
What in the victim blaming is this crap? You literally say it's our fault for Hamas wanting to kill Jews. How on earth is it my job to change their mind? Are you going to tell an African-American it's their job to talk to the KKK and change their minds? No? Why are Jews the only ones treated by you this way?
And the "considerably worse" response? Yes, sorry that the Israeli government actually works to protect its civilians while Hamas does everything to put civilians in harm's way because they gain politically from it. Or did you fail to notice Sinwar's comments on Palestinian deaths being "[necessary sacrifices](https://nypost.com/2024/06/11/world-news/hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-believes-palestinian-deaths-are-necessary-sacrifices/)"?
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2024-17-06
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I see that thrown around a lot. I've requested more substantial backing for that claim several times, what I've gotten amounts to this:
1. Israel cooperated with Hamas in its infancy, when it was a charity run by a blind dude and the least violent political actor.
2. Bibi allowed Qatari aid into Palestine. Even though it was all tracked and ended up to aid humanitarian causes, detractors frame this as "support for Hamas" because it freed up their resources for militant purposes.
3. Opinion pieces from Israeli right wing nutters that Bibi was too lenient, and shouldn't have allowed stuff like letting Gazans into Israel for work, or the aid mentioned anove.
I think that's pretty weak sauce. If you have anything more than that, I'd love to see it.
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I see that thrown around a lot. I've requested more substantial backing for that claim several times, what I've gotten amounts to this:
1. Israel cooperated with Hamas in its infancy, when it was a charity run by a blind dude and the least violent political actor.
2. Bibi allowed Qatari aid into Palestine. Even though it was all tracked and ended up to aid humanitarian causes, detractors frame this as "support for Hamas" because it freed up their resources for militant purposes.
3. Opinion pieces from Israeli right wing nutters that Bibi was too lenient, and shouldn't have allowed stuff like letting Gazans into Israel for work, or the aid mentioned anove.
I think that's pretty weak sauce. If you have anything more than that, I'd love to see it.
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2024-17-06
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Yes so hammas would win no?
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Yes so hammas would win no?
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2024-17-06
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Got suggestions?
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Got suggestions?
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2024-17-06
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Glad to see that. At time of reply, it was only in the teens, and I had to literally scroll to the bottom of the thread to find it. And that was after spending about 10 minutes trying to find a link in the linked article.
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Glad to see that. At time of reply, it was only in the teens, and I had to literally scroll to the bottom of the thread to find it. And that was after spending about 10 minutes trying to find a link in the linked article.
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2024-17-06
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Useless small rare "protests" that end in them watching the police arrest people from a safe distance and not do anything about it. Real protests are what happened in Ukraine, where people had standoffs with the cops and threw molotovs at them. Russian "protests" are a literal joke to people in Eastern Europe, they know russians too well.
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Useless small rare "protests" that end in them watching the police arrest people from a safe distance and not do anything about it. Real protests are what happened in Ukraine, where people had standoffs with the cops and threw molotovs at them. Russian "protests" are a literal joke to people in Eastern Europe, they know russians too well.
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2024-17-06
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Well it's not a bunch of Semites in the Arabian peninsula, Palestinians are Arabs outside their homeland sooooo yeah logically we can determine who started it.
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Well it's not a bunch of Semites in the Arabian peninsula, Palestinians are Arabs outside their homeland sooooo yeah logically we can determine who started it.
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2024-17-06
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And you do realize this conflict didn't start last year, right?
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And you do realize this conflict didn't start last year, right?
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2024-17-06
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The fucking Romans.
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The fucking Romans.
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2024-17-06
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They celebrated in the streets after 9/11, many years ago. They celebrated 10/3.
Hate fostering society. Terms and conditions do not apply. Haters just going to hate.
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They celebrated in the streets after 9/11, many years ago. They celebrated 10/3.
Hate fostering society. Terms and conditions do not apply. Haters just going to hate.
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2024-17-06
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I think it's more than fair to question how brutal the Israeli government has been in this war and how Bibi and his hard-right coalition have handled this issue over the years. The problem is that Hamas is an ISIS level terrorist group and they will always be a group that wants to wipe Israel off the planet, there isn't a simple resolution here.
The horrors of the second intifada (after the 00 camp David accords failed miserably) and the election of Hamas after Israel unilaterally left Gaza with no deal has all but killed the political left in Israel (and therefore a 2 state solution). Hamas being left in power will just lead to another Oct 7.
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I think it's more than fair to question how brutal the Israeli government has been in this war and how Bibi and his hard-right coalition have handled this issue over the years. The problem is that Hamas is an ISIS level terrorist group and they will always be a group that wants to wipe Israel off the planet, there isn't a simple resolution here.
The horrors of the second intifada (after the 00 camp David accords failed miserably) and the election of Hamas after Israel unilaterally left Gaza with no deal has all but killed the political left in Israel (and therefore a 2 state solution). Hamas being left in power will just lead to another Oct 7.
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2024-17-06
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It's definitely inorganic. Check the main posters profiles and notice they actually never stop posting, and sometimes will pop up with a new account that posts identical content nonstop.
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It's definitely inorganic. Check the main posters profiles and notice they actually never stop posting, and sometimes will pop up with a new account that posts identical content nonstop.
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2024-17-06
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> Hamas won the last election 2006 and promptly absolved all democratic elections. WTF are you talking about?
It isn't that simple. Abbas unilaterally changed the electoral laws in 2007. Then in 2010 PA cancelled elections they had called. Next in 2012 Abbas didn't call the election when he should've done so. It's also to be noted that the Battle for Gaza happened in June 2007, almost one and a half years after the 2006 election and a long period of back-and-forth of political violence and assassination attempts from both sides.
So what I am saying, it's not only Hamas who are against democratic elections in Palestine.
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> Hamas won the last election 2006 and promptly absolved all democratic elections. WTF are you talking about?
It isn't that simple. Abbas unilaterally changed the electoral laws in 2007. Then in 2010 PA cancelled elections they had called. Next in 2012 Abbas didn't call the election when he should've done so. It's also to be noted that the Battle for Gaza happened in June 2007, almost one and a half years after the 2006 election and a long period of back-and-forth of political violence and assassination attempts from both sides.
So what I am saying, it's not only Hamas who are against democratic elections in Palestine.
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2024-17-06
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Okay mr psychologist. Here is some news for you. I had some discussion with people with the encampments at universities and I disagreed with them because it’s not the way either. And since you read everything than you also read that I’m against war. Any kind of war.
But yeah of course you know me so well.
But why so hateful? I didn’t do anything wrong. So why are you so defensive about what I said?
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Okay mr psychologist. Here is some news for you. I had some discussion with people with the encampments at universities and I disagreed with them because it’s not the way either. And since you read everything than you also read that I’m against war. Any kind of war.
But yeah of course you know me so well.
But why so hateful? I didn’t do anything wrong. So why are you so defensive about what I said?
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2024-17-06
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"IF Palestine has weapons THEN they would wipe out Israel"
That's like, definition hypothetical.
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"IF Palestine has weapons THEN they would wipe out Israel"
That's like, definition hypothetical.
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2024-17-06
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You did something very wrong, you excused Hamas' horrific actions and you condemned Israel's 10000% justified action to destroy Hamas.
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You did something very wrong, you excused Hamas' horrific actions and you condemned Israel's 10000% justified action to destroy Hamas.
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2024-17-06
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Glad to see this is at least acknowledged in academia, if not in general discourse. Many Palestinian supporters seem to demand immediate halt to israeli military actions, despite palestinian representatives' implicit wows to continue their military actions against israelis, thus further radicalizing future generations of idf recruits and hardline told-you-so politicians.
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Glad to see this is at least acknowledged in academia, if not in general discourse. Many Palestinian supporters seem to demand immediate halt to israeli military actions, despite palestinian representatives' implicit wows to continue their military actions against israelis, thus further radicalizing future generations of idf recruits and hardline told-you-so politicians.
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2024-17-06
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See this is the problem. Israel doesn't control everything but rather they have to. Hamas ruined the water purifier station that Israel had built in Gaza. The blockade on Gaza wasn't built on 2005 when Israel withdrew, it was done 2 years later in 2007 when Israel built the wall after constant suicide bombing and attacks. Why do you think Egypt built a wall on Rafah border, when they controlled Gaza for 20 years till 1967? Why do you think Anwar Sadat was assassinated by Palestinian terrorists? I'm not both siding this, you're the one who's removing all context from an extremely complicated geopolitical situation to collapse it into a false oppressor-oppressed narrative when it is anything but.
>There is no equivalence on the other side.
Oh yeah pretend Oct 7 didn't happen, pretend intifadas weren't called, pretend 1967 war didn't happen.
https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-805288
His assertion that “Palestine depends on the destruction of Israel” is a stark reminder of the zero-sum perspective held by many within the Palestinian leadership.
https://www.jns.org/son-of-hamas-joins-israeli-public-diplomacy-campaign/
Referring to Hamas’s Charter calling for the genocide of Jews, he said, “The people that wrote the Hamas Covenant are a bunch of lunatics,” adding, “The Arab world needs to pay attention to the dangers within.”
Hamas, he said, “does not care about people. In effect, they are sacrificing the lives of children and non-combatants in order to achieve cheap political goals. The concept of jihad must be stopped, and it must be stopped now.”
If Yousef is not an authority on activities of Hamas, then nobody else is.
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See this is the problem. Israel doesn't control everything but rather they have to. Hamas ruined the water purifier station that Israel had built in Gaza. The blockade on Gaza wasn't built on 2005 when Israel withdrew, it was done 2 years later in 2007 when Israel built the wall after constant suicide bombing and attacks. Why do you think Egypt built a wall on Rafah border, when they controlled Gaza for 20 years till 1967? Why do you think Anwar Sadat was assassinated by Palestinian terrorists? I'm not both siding this, you're the one who's removing all context from an extremely complicated geopolitical situation to collapse it into a false oppressor-oppressed narrative when it is anything but.
>There is no equivalence on the other side.
Oh yeah pretend Oct 7 didn't happen, pretend intifadas weren't called, pretend 1967 war didn't happen.
https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-805288
His assertion that “Palestine depends on the destruction of Israel” is a stark reminder of the zero-sum perspective held by many within the Palestinian leadership.
https://www.jns.org/son-of-hamas-joins-israeli-public-diplomacy-campaign/
Referring to Hamas’s Charter calling for the genocide of Jews, he said, “The people that wrote the Hamas Covenant are a bunch of lunatics,” adding, “The Arab world needs to pay attention to the dangers within.”
Hamas, he said, “does not care about people. In effect, they are sacrificing the lives of children and non-combatants in order to achieve cheap political goals. The concept of jihad must be stopped, and it must be stopped now.”
If Yousef is not an authority on activities of Hamas, then nobody else is.
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2024-17-06
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> but Israel started a war
Which one? Because most wars involving Israel have been started by the surrounding Arab countries and Israel taking territory has been because of them losing those wars they started.
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> but Israel started a war
Which one? Because most wars involving Israel have been started by the surrounding Arab countries and Israel taking territory has been because of them losing those wars they started.
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Only weeks ago, the IDF hid inside of aid trucks like a Trojan horse only to bomb starving refugee camps in Rafah. That is terrorism. The IDF has killed over 35,000 Palestinians and maimed so many more. The population of amputee children in Palestine is now the highest in the world. That is terrorism. The IDF is absolutely terrorizing Palestinian civilians, they are just using Hamas as a cover to do it.
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Only weeks ago, the IDF hid inside of aid trucks like a Trojan horse only to bomb starving refugee camps in Rafah. That is terrorism. The IDF has killed over 35,000 Palestinians and maimed so many more. The population of amputee children in Palestine is now the highest in the world. That is terrorism. The IDF is absolutely terrorizing Palestinian civilians, they are just using Hamas as a cover to do it.
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“peaceful protests” you might wanna recheck what happened in 2018 lol
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“peaceful protests” you might wanna recheck what happened in 2018 lol
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Except your contention that Israel is oppressing Palestine is simply wrong. Arabs have been oppressing Israel since its creation and jews for thousands of years before that.
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Except your contention that Israel is oppressing Palestine is simply wrong. Arabs have been oppressing Israel since its creation and jews for thousands of years before that.
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Except it turned out that Arafat wanted nothing but a base to launch the second intifada out of to kill more jews. If he genuinely wanted the best for the Palestinians, he would’ve struck an actual deal instead of getting the people all worked up about “Right of Return” which will never happen.
The 2018 March of Return was NOT peaceful. You are not allowed to simply march across an international border. That is illegal. You will be shot.
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Except it turned out that Arafat wanted nothing but a base to launch the second intifada out of to kill more jews. If he genuinely wanted the best for the Palestinians, he would’ve struck an actual deal instead of getting the people all worked up about “Right of Return” which will never happen.
The 2018 March of Return was NOT peaceful. You are not allowed to simply march across an international border. That is illegal. You will be shot.
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dude relax, i'm trying to be super neutral.
i'm saying that IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE many people who are pro gaza are aware that Palestinians like and support Hamas but they still support Gaza/Palestine.
So it's not an inconvient truth because people are already aware.
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dude relax, i'm trying to be super neutral.
i'm saying that IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE many people who are pro gaza are aware that Palestinians like and support Hamas but they still support Gaza/Palestine.
So it's not an inconvient truth because people are already aware.
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Do you really think the PLO wants a peaceful solution? They did Oslo solely to kill more Jews during the second intifada. A new governing body is needed before you start accusing Israeli government ministers of supporting terrorism by simply allowing Qatar to send humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.
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Do you really think the PLO wants a peaceful solution? They did Oslo solely to kill more Jews during the second intifada. A new governing body is needed before you start accusing Israeli government ministers of supporting terrorism by simply allowing Qatar to send humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.
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Except all of those actions happened as a result of Arab aggression. And you can’t be saying that Arab aggression is what caused Arab aggression.
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Except all of those actions happened as a result of Arab aggression. And you can’t be saying that Arab aggression is what caused Arab aggression.
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I don’t think you have a very good understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
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I don’t think you have a very good understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
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