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I personally don’t think any asylum system that is currently in place is sustainable for the future. Climate change will create more refugees which will mean more asylum seekers. I’ve been traveling around Europe for the past month, and every single city has a migrant problem. My interpretation is that people that live in each country are assuming that it’s an isolated issue, but it’s not. It’s happening everywhere and it’s only going to get worse.
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I personally don’t think any asylum system that is currently in place is sustainable for the future. Climate change will create more refugees which will mean more asylum seekers. I’ve been traveling around Europe for the past month, and every single city has a migrant problem. My interpretation is that people that live in each country are assuming that it’s an isolated issue, but it’s not. It’s happening everywhere and it’s only going to get worse.
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2024-17-06
And you just said you want to imitate them.
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And you just said you want to imitate them.
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2024-17-06
Oh damn. Who would have thought moving to a new country with nothing to your name would mean starting from zero. Who could have seen that? I guess that gives them the right to commit crimes. You are perfectly right. Those damn racist swedish people, with their inclusivity and all migrants welcome banners. Wait , what? Did they start having prejudices AFTER the bombings, rapes, gang fights started taking place? No. That is definitely not right. For sure is their own fault.
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Oh damn. Who would have thought moving to a new country with nothing to your name would mean starting from zero. Who could have seen that? I guess that gives them the right to commit crimes. You are perfectly right. Those damn racist swedish people, with their inclusivity and all migrants welcome banners. Wait , what? Did they start having prejudices AFTER the bombings, rapes, gang fights started taking place? No. That is definitely not right. For sure is their own fault.
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2024-17-06
Wtf happened to BBC
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Wtf happened to BBC
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2024-17-06
Invaders. They are invaders, not civilians.
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Invaders. They are invaders, not civilians.
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2024-17-06
It's a lie. But the gullible will see what they want. I don't hold that against you tho champ
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It's a lie. But the gullible will see what they want. I don't hold that against you tho champ
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2024-17-06
Ok, next time there is a dangerous person around stabbing people, the Police will just let them keep their hands free...
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Ok, next time there is a dangerous person around stabbing people, the Police will just let them keep their hands free...
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2024-17-06
Okay, you decided it's definitely a lie because it fits your world view and makes you nice and comfortable. Well done 👍
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Okay, you decided it's definitely a lie because it fits your world view and makes you nice and comfortable. Well done 👍
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2024-17-06
And the vast majority of immigrants doesn‘t become criminal either. So what‘s your point? There is no „organized, armed invasion“, just a few people becoming criminals.
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And the vast majority of immigrants doesn‘t become criminal either. So what‘s your point? There is no „organized, armed invasion“, just a few people becoming criminals.
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2024-17-06
yeah it's been like 10 years of non stop flood idk how it hasnt been stopped with a largescale effort yet pretty crazy how nothing is being done
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yeah it's been like 10 years of non stop flood idk how it hasnt been stopped with a largescale effort yet pretty crazy how nothing is being done
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2024-17-06
"The middle of the sea" obviously doesn't mean the mid-point between the two coasts (which are about 200 km apart), but "on open sea", meaning out of sight of land. The latter is doable. Other than that, I have no idea if the story is true or not, and I don't care to pick sides. Just pointing out that "the middle of the sea" is often used colloquially for "on open sea".
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"The middle of the sea" obviously doesn't mean the mid-point between the two coasts (which are about 200 km apart), but "on open sea", meaning out of sight of land. The latter is doable. Other than that, I have no idea if the story is true or not, and I don't care to pick sides. Just pointing out that "the middle of the sea" is often used colloquially for "on open sea".
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2024-17-06
Like I said, it’s only going to get worse. Several countries around the Mediterranean have had to close schools and public buildings because of the heat. There are reports of a few people dying from the heat. What happens when Greece has a month of heat like that?
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Like I said, it’s only going to get worse. Several countries around the Mediterranean have had to close schools and public buildings because of the heat. There are reports of a few people dying from the heat. What happens when Greece has a month of heat like that?
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2024-17-06
classic "it's the Turks" trope. They are literally millions of refugees in Turkey, if anything Turkey is keeping them away. Of course some will find a way to illegally cross borders. Not all your problems are coming from Turkey or Russia, this level is victimhood is unhealthy.
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classic "it's the Turks" trope. They are literally millions of refugees in Turkey, if anything Turkey is keeping them away. Of course some will find a way to illegally cross borders. Not all your problems are coming from Turkey or Russia, this level is victimhood is unhealthy.
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2024-17-06
They are their people and their problem, not ours. They are not refuges they are economic migrants that kill, rape, kill soldiers, stab police officers and behead teachers. They can go do that in their own countries.
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They are their people and their problem, not ours. They are not refuges they are economic migrants that kill, rape, kill soldiers, stab police officers and behead teachers. They can go do that in their own countries.
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2024-17-06
It fits pretty pretty perfectly to my informed world view. Well done, you've finally got something right. Peace x
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It fits pretty pretty perfectly to my informed world view. Well done, you've finally got something right. Peace x
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2024-17-06
Yall are literal fascists lmao, I’d rather live with refugees as neighbours than you neckbeards.
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Yall are literal fascists lmao, I’d rather live with refugees as neighbours than you neckbeards.
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2024-17-06
Another BBC propaganda hit-piece. Let me guess, this means we should be extra kind to them?
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Another BBC propaganda hit-piece. Let me guess, this means we should be extra kind to them?
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2024-17-06
After seven months of the BBC 'verifying' and then promptly parroting literal terrorist propaganda straight from Hamas, their 'verification', nay their reporting of anything at all, is worth dogshit.
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After seven months of the BBC 'verifying' and then promptly parroting literal terrorist propaganda straight from Hamas, their 'verification', nay their reporting of anything at all, is worth dogshit.
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2024-17-06
*'BBC showed footage of them dumping people on a raft in the middle of the sea and greek head of service was caught on a hot mike admitting it'* seems like some solid evidence of people being dumped. Some witnesses verifying that some of those people died and some of them were zip-tied together, is just building on top of that evidence.
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*'BBC showed footage of them dumping people on a raft in the middle of the sea and greek head of service was caught on a hot mike admitting it'* seems like some solid evidence of people being dumped. Some witnesses verifying that some of those people died and some of them were zip-tied together, is just building on top of that evidence.
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2024-17-06
You realise that all evidence for things humans have done to other humans is anecdotal? And very "scientifically minded" of you to refuse to "take into account" a report from someone who knows more about this than you because you don't agree with the information (spoiler alert: that's the opposite of science)
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You realise that all evidence for things humans have done to other humans is anecdotal? And very "scientifically minded" of you to refuse to "take into account" a report from someone who knows more about this than you because you don't agree with the information (spoiler alert: that's the opposite of science)
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2024-17-06
I don't have a dog in this fight, but there's room for more than one bad guy in a fight 🤣
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but there's room for more than one bad guy in a fight 🤣
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2024-17-06
I personally know someone, my sisters ex-partner from Sierra Leone, whose brother was murdered by the Greek coastguard last year while trying to cross illegally from Turkey to Greece. Sister’s ex-partner had to fly out to Greece from the UK to identify his brothers body. He was told by others he knows that he coast guard put women and children on a boat to Greece and then threw all the men overboard with no life jackets. Not that you should just take my word for it if you don’t wish to but I can only say that this did happen.
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I personally know someone, my sisters ex-partner from Sierra Leone, whose brother was murdered by the Greek coastguard last year while trying to cross illegally from Turkey to Greece. Sister’s ex-partner had to fly out to Greece from the UK to identify his brothers body. He was told by others he knows that he coast guard put women and children on a boat to Greece and then threw all the men overboard with no life jackets. Not that you should just take my word for it if you don’t wish to but I can only say that this did happen.
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2024-17-06
There's multiple accounts, this random reply on Reddit is one more
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There's multiple accounts, this random reply on Reddit is one more
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2024-17-06
How far do you think the distance between Chios and Turkey is?
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How far do you think the distance between Chios and Turkey is?
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2024-17-06
I prefer not ignoring verified facts to preserve close minded political views, but you do you.
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I prefer not ignoring verified facts to preserve close minded political views, but you do you.
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2024-17-06
I love that you’re not smart enough to realize you fall for all of the propaganda that Israel puts out.
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I love that you’re not smart enough to realize you fall for all of the propaganda that Israel puts out.
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2024-17-06
Do they want to take immigrants? No is it the closest way to the eu yes are greek costal guard known to be inhumane yes (Destroying rafts etc)
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Do they want to take immigrants? No is it the closest way to the eu yes are greek costal guard known to be inhumane yes (Destroying rafts etc)
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2024-17-06
Here's the thing, they have to trust whatever the sources on the ground says. In this case, they have footage, so they don't even have to confirm who is saying it. They only need to verify that the persons that appear on the footage are who they say they are, they don't need to verify anything else.
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Here's the thing, they have to trust whatever the sources on the ground says. In this case, they have footage, so they don't even have to confirm who is saying it. They only need to verify that the persons that appear on the footage are who they say they are, they don't need to verify anything else.
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2024-17-06
This took some parcing :"...witnesses say, including nine who were deliberately thrown into the water. The nine are among more than 40 people alleged to have died..." 
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This took some parcing :"...witnesses say, including nine who were deliberately thrown into the water. The nine are among more than 40 people alleged to have died..." 
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2024-17-06
In this case given that the bbc has a history of posting stories, that turned out to have been false, without fact checking if it falls along the authors bias. Hell two months ago they out right ran a story claiming israel had bombed a hospital that one of hamas's associates had. Everything should be taken with a bucket of salt if its from the bbc, especially on hot button topics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosion
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In this case given that the bbc has a history of posting stories, that turned out to have been false, without fact checking if it falls along the authors bias. Hell two months ago they out right ran a story claiming israel had bombed a hospital that one of hamas's associates had. Everything should be taken with a bucket of salt if its from the bbc, especially on hot button topics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosion
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2024-17-06
So the middle point would only be 2.5km. People have swam far far longer distances to survive.
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So the middle point would only be 2.5km. People have swam far far longer distances to survive.
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2024-17-06
So you think no one has traveled one mile on choppy waters? How are you so stupid?
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So you think no one has traveled one mile on choppy waters? How are you so stupid?
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2024-17-06
I personally know someone whose brother was murdered by the Greek coast guard last year. Obviously me telling you this is simply an anecdote from your perspective but from mine, this absolutely did happen
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I personally know someone whose brother was murdered by the Greek coast guard last year. Obviously me telling you this is simply an anecdote from your perspective but from mine, this absolutely did happen
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2024-17-06
Nothing has been verified at all, BBC has lost all credibility at this point.
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Nothing has been verified at all, BBC has lost all credibility at this point.
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2024-17-06
Have you seen a map before?
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Have you seen a map before?
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2024-17-06
The irony of your comment is deeply depressing
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The irony of your comment is deeply depressing
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2024-17-06
Then you can enjoy living in your fictional world where only the sources that reinforce your political views are reliable. The rest of us will engage with the reality wherein the BBC has documented evidence of the claims they put forth.
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Then you can enjoy living in your fictional world where only the sources that reinforce your political views are reliable. The rest of us will engage with the reality wherein the BBC has documented evidence of the claims they put forth.
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2024-17-06
Okay, I’ve been to nearly a dozen cities across Europe in the past month, and they all had some quantity of migrants. It may not be *ALL* cities in Europe, and it may not be *ALL* major cities, but it’s a lot of them. The issue that there are an ever increasing number of migrants and refugees the globe over is a major problem. They may not yet be in *YOUR* city, but they will be at some point. If your city doesn’t prepare the infrastructure to accommodate them, that’s when it becomes difficult.
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Okay, I’ve been to nearly a dozen cities across Europe in the past month, and they all had some quantity of migrants. It may not be *ALL* cities in Europe, and it may not be *ALL* major cities, but it’s a lot of them. The issue that there are an ever increasing number of migrants and refugees the globe over is a major problem. They may not yet be in *YOUR* city, but they will be at some point. If your city doesn’t prepare the infrastructure to accommodate them, that’s when it becomes difficult.
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2024-17-06
I do not care about your tangent "but this one time, in Palestine". That does not counter any of the evidence put forth or verified by the BBC.
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I do not care about your tangent "but this one time, in Palestine". That does not counter any of the evidence put forth or verified by the BBC.
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2024-17-06
So we can stop ignoring all of the negative things illegal immigrants say about the US border patrol? FINALLY.
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So we can stop ignoring all of the negative things illegal immigrants say about the US border patrol? FINALLY.
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2024-17-06
This comment section is just insane.
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This comment section is just insane.
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2024-17-06
Says the guy whose opinions are clearly dictated by propaganda.
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Says the guy whose opinions are clearly dictated by propaganda.
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2024-17-06
Your average human can barely even open a small zip tie on a bag or a box without scissors lol
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Your average human can barely even open a small zip tie on a bag or a box without scissors lol
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2024-17-06
not sure what you're getting at. * guy that i replied to said people have swum further to survive (further than 2.5km) * i agree with this, saying that channel is perhaps 40km or thereabouts. (where channel refers to the most well known channel: the english channel), also commonly known fact: the channel has been crossed via swimming, unassissted by quite some people. although not a survival scenario, the point being that it is humanly possible. ergo, 2.5km is not an unbelievable distance for people to have survived. * nowhere do i suggest england and greece share a land border.
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not sure what you're getting at. * guy that i replied to said people have swum further to survive (further than 2.5km) * i agree with this, saying that channel is perhaps 40km or thereabouts. (where channel refers to the most well known channel: the english channel), also commonly known fact: the channel has been crossed via swimming, unassissted by quite some people. although not a survival scenario, the point being that it is humanly possible. ergo, 2.5km is not an unbelievable distance for people to have survived. * nowhere do i suggest england and greece share a land border.
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2024-17-06
>if you said exactly what you think is going on it would sound crazy and even you realize that. There it is. Guy uses a couple anglicisms and you think the whole thing is fake. Surely you know how much of a reach that is. He's currently doing a graduate degree in the UK. Most likely, he picked those turns of phrases by being exposed to a lot more English.
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>if you said exactly what you think is going on it would sound crazy and even you realize that. There it is. Guy uses a couple anglicisms and you think the whole thing is fake. Surely you know how much of a reach that is. He's currently doing a graduate degree in the UK. Most likely, he picked those turns of phrases by being exposed to a lot more English.
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2024-17-06
Sounds like they watched how whatever Hamas/Palestine reported got received and decided to emulate it.
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Sounds like they watched how whatever Hamas/Palestine reported got received and decided to emulate it.
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2024-17-06
Ah well, misunderstood you then, my bad. Didn't catch why the English channel would be relevant to the discussion here. But that way, it makes sense.
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Ah well, misunderstood you then, my bad. Didn't catch why the English channel would be relevant to the discussion here. But that way, it makes sense.
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2024-17-06
Damn, so when independent journalists make an error, they get distrust. But parroting IDF propoganda is 100% trustworthy huh?
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Damn, so when independent journalists make an error, they get distrust. But parroting IDF propoganda is 100% trustworthy huh?
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2024-17-06
However it's only reporting one aspect, so you're only getting a half truth in all of this. The Turkish authorities are known to equipment refugees minimally and are kind of giving Sadaqa to enable dangerous crossings with pisspoor equipment that needs humanist intervention - they don't care if they live or die. Despite having been given billions to help deal with it, they keep wrapping their hands in and demanding more. I've been onboard a Type 45 as we've seen the radar signatures of Turkish coastguards escorting refugees out into international waters from Turkish territorial waters and towards Greece - knowing full well that what they're using might reach the destination if they're lucky. The waters tend to have a shallower draft, which causes issues for anything that isn't a cutter. If you haven't got a local pilot on board, getting into those areas is dangerous to the ship due to uncharted wrecks. This is why Turkey does it. Greece are no angels in this, but don't give Turkey a free pass. They're just as culpable.
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However it's only reporting one aspect, so you're only getting a half truth in all of this. The Turkish authorities are known to equipment refugees minimally and are kind of giving Sadaqa to enable dangerous crossings with pisspoor equipment that needs humanist intervention - they don't care if they live or die. Despite having been given billions to help deal with it, they keep wrapping their hands in and demanding more. I've been onboard a Type 45 as we've seen the radar signatures of Turkish coastguards escorting refugees out into international waters from Turkish territorial waters and towards Greece - knowing full well that what they're using might reach the destination if they're lucky. The waters tend to have a shallower draft, which causes issues for anything that isn't a cutter. If you haven't got a local pilot on board, getting into those areas is dangerous to the ship due to uncharted wrecks. This is why Turkey does it. Greece are no angels in this, but don't give Turkey a free pass. They're just as culpable.
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2024-17-06
There have been dozens of reports of Greek coast guard actively hurting migrants attempting to cross via the aegian over the last 3 years. There is no denying that they are doing this, the people on this post spewing nonsense are just coping. NYT, Telegraph, BBC are just some of the news organizations that have confirmed separate incidents in the last 2 years.
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There have been dozens of reports of Greek coast guard actively hurting migrants attempting to cross via the aegian over the last 3 years. There is no denying that they are doing this, the people on this post spewing nonsense are just coping. NYT, Telegraph, BBC are just some of the news organizations that have confirmed separate incidents in the last 2 years.
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2024-17-06
Lol. Rescuing these ~~rapidly-reproducing illegasl~~ "refugees" would be gross neglect of our own taxpayers, not to mention actively harmful to our societies, considering the number of headaches we've already imported since 2015.
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Lol. Rescuing these ~~rapidly-reproducing illegasl~~ "refugees" would be gross neglect of our own taxpayers, not to mention actively harmful to our societies, considering the number of headaches we've already imported since 2015.
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2024-17-06
Er, yes. You should automatically throw out singular claims from unverifiable accounts with no evidence. I could make 100s of throwaway accounts to push a dialogue.
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Er, yes. You should automatically throw out singular claims from unverifiable accounts with no evidence. I could make 100s of throwaway accounts to push a dialogue.
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2024-17-06
I’ve been hearing about the migrant situation over there in Greece for a few years now. Hope this isn’t true though
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I’ve been hearing about the migrant situation over there in Greece for a few years now. Hope this isn’t true though
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2024-17-06
If the coast guard were trying to kill you and had a lot to lose by trying and *failing* to kill you, you don’t think the *coast guard* would know the minimum distance to throw you overboard to guarantee you don’t survive? I’d have thought they would by far be the best versed in that exact topic.
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If the coast guard were trying to kill you and had a lot to lose by trying and *failing* to kill you, you don’t think the *coast guard* would know the minimum distance to throw you overboard to guarantee you don’t survive? I’d have thought they would by far be the best versed in that exact topic.
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2024-17-06
> if only they were taught the float on your back until you reach land technique. Let's not discount the actions of those brave men here. Those navy seals very likely would have survived if they had ziptied hands, training only goes so far.
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> if only they were taught the float on your back until you reach land technique. Let's not discount the actions of those brave men here. Those navy seals very likely would have survived if they had ziptied hands, training only goes so far.
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2024-17-06
Of zip tying a human and throwing them overboard? Need 1 of the hundreds.
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Of zip tying a human and throwing them overboard? Need 1 of the hundreds.
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2024-17-06
Yeah I was pushing things a little there. But the issue is boring. For half a century there's been a push for neoliberalism, to the point that it's now TINA - there is no alternative. Any time we suggest anything actually helpful it's all "sweet summer child" and "but who will pay?" So here we have some more underpaid under educated under trained over influenced workers who I believe believe that the migrants are a threat to their economy because https://img.ifunny.co/images/915e3e5c263cb3d39bc69c4359bf380f7ffdf99473086087c25a2463f2b6046b_1.jpg It's the same with Mexican migrants in cages or mothers with their tubes tied, it's the same with stories from the UK about government schools closing on Fridays for Islamic prayer, it's the same with stories of violent gangs in Sweden, it's the same with stories of African gangs in Australia. It's the same when they tell us renewables won't work, or that the plastic is our fault (I own neither a plastic farm nor a plastic mine), or that we should just choose not to buy the drugs they offer us as copium. It's the same when they tell us there's no alternative to prison, or the 40 hour week, or high house prices, or salty sugary chemical food, or PFAS, or the internet, or mass surveillance. It's all arbitrary, it's all a choice, it's all harmful to our health, our psychology and our democracy - but yeah it's probably all the fault of the lying migrants who made up the stories because turkey paid them, or the vicious violent golden dawn this who should be jailed. So the issue is boring, it's just like global warming - we've said everything there is to be said, we all know about it, we all knew thirty years ago, it's BORING
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Yeah I was pushing things a little there. But the issue is boring. For half a century there's been a push for neoliberalism, to the point that it's now TINA - there is no alternative. Any time we suggest anything actually helpful it's all "sweet summer child" and "but who will pay?" So here we have some more underpaid under educated under trained over influenced workers who I believe believe that the migrants are a threat to their economy because https://img.ifunny.co/images/915e3e5c263cb3d39bc69c4359bf380f7ffdf99473086087c25a2463f2b6046b_1.jpg It's the same with Mexican migrants in cages or mothers with their tubes tied, it's the same with stories from the UK about government schools closing on Fridays for Islamic prayer, it's the same with stories of violent gangs in Sweden, it's the same with stories of African gangs in Australia. It's the same when they tell us renewables won't work, or that the plastic is our fault (I own neither a plastic farm nor a plastic mine), or that we should just choose not to buy the drugs they offer us as copium. It's the same when they tell us there's no alternative to prison, or the 40 hour week, or high house prices, or salty sugary chemical food, or PFAS, or the internet, or mass surveillance. It's all arbitrary, it's all a choice, it's all harmful to our health, our psychology and our democracy - but yeah it's probably all the fault of the lying migrants who made up the stories because turkey paid them, or the vicious violent golden dawn this who should be jailed. So the issue is boring, it's just like global warming - we've said everything there is to be said, we all know about it, we all knew thirty years ago, it's BORING
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2024-17-06
I'm sorry, but no, when you say invasion to refer to this, I won't ignore the dog whistle and assume you mean invasion in that good faith, metaphorical way. That is not THE dictionary definition, it's an accepted use. Asylum seeking is not illegal immigration. You need to process the people at the border. And no, I will absolutely not consider killing people crossing the border, even if it is illegally. That's bleak and inhumane. Do you think people immigrate on a whim? Most immigrants would rather not be in this position either. Border guards carry guns because they need to protect the borders from armies or to APPREHEND people, not to kill them. Or is due process and justice not something we care about all of a sudden, because these people are not from the same country as us?
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I'm sorry, but no, when you say invasion to refer to this, I won't ignore the dog whistle and assume you mean invasion in that good faith, metaphorical way. That is not THE dictionary definition, it's an accepted use. Asylum seeking is not illegal immigration. You need to process the people at the border. And no, I will absolutely not consider killing people crossing the border, even if it is illegally. That's bleak and inhumane. Do you think people immigrate on a whim? Most immigrants would rather not be in this position either. Border guards carry guns because they need to protect the borders from armies or to APPREHEND people, not to kill them. Or is due process and justice not something we care about all of a sudden, because these people are not from the same country as us?
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2024-18-06
How does that solve anything? People are already willing to risk their lives to get into rich countries.
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How does that solve anything? People are already willing to risk their lives to get into rich countries.
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2024-18-06
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2024-17-06
Russia has passed away?? Fuck yesss
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Russia has passed away?? Fuck yesss
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2024-17-06
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2024-17-06
Even russia as well lmaaao
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Even russia as well lmaaao
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2024-17-06
China is literally supporting the rebels after the junta didn't do anything to stop the scammers operating in Myanmar from targeting and kidnapping Chinese people.
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China is literally supporting the rebels after the junta didn't do anything to stop the scammers operating in Myanmar from targeting and kidnapping Chinese people.
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2024-17-06
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2024-17-06
I’m being sarcastic. About the ppl who blame Israel but see this and don’t care.
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I’m being sarcastic. About the ppl who blame Israel but see this and don’t care.
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2024-17-06
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2024-17-06
He stated he isn't lol
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He stated he isn't lol
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2024-17-06
Lotta liars out there nowadays
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Lotta liars out there nowadays
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2024-17-06
Al Jazeera has been variously banned in Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Sudan, Yemen, UAE, Egypt, Algeria, India, Bahrain, iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Libya, and probably some I've missed. The West is sleep walking.
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Al Jazeera has been variously banned in Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Sudan, Yemen, UAE, Egypt, Algeria, India, Bahrain, iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Libya, and probably some I've missed. The West is sleep walking.
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2024-17-06
Mmm they might have but they didn't tell them to give them billions of dollars and do propaganda on Al Jazeera full throttle.
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Mmm they might have but they didn't tell them to give them billions of dollars and do propaganda on Al Jazeera full throttle.
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2024-17-06
Sounds like we need more reporters in the world.
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Sounds like we need more reporters in the world.
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2024-17-06
I never said they did I only said they requested them to be hosted in Qatar so facilitate easier communication between them and the US government
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I never said they did I only said they requested them to be hosted in Qatar so facilitate easier communication between them and the US government
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2024-17-06
Here are some links to the videos mentioned in the article. [An elderly woman in Gaza has accused Hamas of stealing aid which was meant for refugees forced to leave their homes during Israel's offensive. In an interview this week, the unnamed woman told Al-Jazeera: "All the aid goes [to the tunnels] underground." The reporter responds "It seems that the situation is unclear" ](https://youtu.be/NBjvYkNzuAA?si=cxe6gWQkntxoPkmz) [An Al-Jazeera TV reporter is interviewing a Palestinian man in a hospital in the Gaza Strip. When the reporter hears the man criticizing "the resistance" - a Palestinian euphemism for terror and the terror organizations - he moves away from the man, who tries to follow him to continue the interview. Palestinian man: "Regarding the resistance hiding among the people - why is it hiding among the people? Let it go hide in Hell."](https://youtu.be/PnCuYAGX-Mk?si=JE7Y1WYQkPwVQG7P) I'm sure there's a longer video for the second clip but I can't find it at the moment.
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Here are some links to the videos mentioned in the article. [An elderly woman in Gaza has accused Hamas of stealing aid which was meant for refugees forced to leave their homes during Israel's offensive. In an interview this week, the unnamed woman told Al-Jazeera: "All the aid goes [to the tunnels] underground." The reporter responds "It seems that the situation is unclear" ](https://youtu.be/NBjvYkNzuAA?si=cxe6gWQkntxoPkmz) [An Al-Jazeera TV reporter is interviewing a Palestinian man in a hospital in the Gaza Strip. When the reporter hears the man criticizing "the resistance" - a Palestinian euphemism for terror and the terror organizations - he moves away from the man, who tries to follow him to continue the interview. Palestinian man: "Regarding the resistance hiding among the people - why is it hiding among the people? Let it go hide in Hell."](https://youtu.be/PnCuYAGX-Mk?si=JE7Y1WYQkPwVQG7P) I'm sure there's a longer video for the second clip but I can't find it at the moment.
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Maybe hamas ARE the civilians!? There are many kids, and regular looking people in the videos from Oct 7th side by side with armed guys.
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Maybe hamas ARE the civilians!? There are many kids, and regular looking people in the videos from Oct 7th side by side with armed guys.
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2024-17-06
And not one civilian lifting a finger to stop it from happening. But when the retaliatory strikes happen they’ll be the first ones crying the blues about it.
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And not one civilian lifting a finger to stop it from happening. But when the retaliatory strikes happen they’ll be the first ones crying the blues about it.
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2024-17-06
What exactly is the point of your comment?
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What exactly is the point of your comment?
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2024-17-06
Its both a common and smart tactic, however dubious as long as your enemy cares about civilian life. Israel doesn't care and neither did Russia
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Its both a common and smart tactic, however dubious as long as your enemy cares about civilian life. Israel doesn't care and neither did Russia
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2024-17-06
I’m told they would be justified in murdering all of Hamas’ members’ children in their sleep as part of an oppressed people’s justified resistance. 
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I’m told they would be justified in murdering all of Hamas’ members’ children in their sleep as part of an oppressed people’s justified resistance. 
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2024-17-06
Sticks and stones will break their bones. Cave in a head or two also. A brick dropped from 10 feet high landing on someone’s cranium works wonders at nullifying a problem.
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Sticks and stones will break their bones. Cave in a head or two also. A brick dropped from 10 feet high landing on someone’s cranium works wonders at nullifying a problem.
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2024-17-06
Vote???? Don’t naked me laugh.
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Vote???? Don’t naked me laugh.
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2024-17-06
Are there any military areas?
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Are there any military areas?
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2024-17-06
“Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.” [Hamas Charter](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp), Article Eight Hamas psychopaths and reality are so far detached that when Hamas nuts get civilians killed, they gaslight themselves into thinking the dead civilians should thankful.
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“Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.” [Hamas Charter](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp), Article Eight Hamas psychopaths and reality are so far detached that when Hamas nuts get civilians killed, they gaslight themselves into thinking the dead civilians should thankful.
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2024-17-06
Not colonizing Palestinian land would be a good start. It’s foolish to think you can just waltz in and steal someone’s property and not expect some type of retaliation.
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Not colonizing Palestinian land would be a good start. It’s foolish to think you can just waltz in and steal someone’s property and not expect some type of retaliation.
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2024-17-06
To have my entire family butchered as a result? Pass. I’m taking my kids and getting the fuck of there if at all possible
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To have my entire family butchered as a result? Pass. I’m taking my kids and getting the fuck of there if at all possible
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2024-17-06
It's common in urban warfare yes; the difference is Ukrainians didn't start the war and adjusted their strategy as the war progressed. On the other hand, Hamas uses this tactic as a primary strategy and will continue to do so.
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It's common in urban warfare yes; the difference is Ukrainians didn't start the war and adjusted their strategy as the war progressed. On the other hand, Hamas uses this tactic as a primary strategy and will continue to do so.
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2024-17-06
They kinda did when they rescued those hostages the other day.. Then Hamas started blasting RPGs into residential buildings and cried that Israel killed over 200 people.
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They kinda did when they rescued those hostages the other day.. Then Hamas started blasting RPGs into residential buildings and cried that Israel killed over 200 people.
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2024-17-06
I'm not arguing against that. In fact at the start Ukraine openly called for and showed their civilians attacking the Russian army which justified or not made them valid targets for the Russians to attack. You can't throw a molotov at a soldier and then scream civilian when they shoot back etc.
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I'm not arguing against that. In fact at the start Ukraine openly called for and showed their civilians attacking the Russian army which justified or not made them valid targets for the Russians to attack. You can't throw a molotov at a soldier and then scream civilian when they shoot back etc.
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2024-17-06
People have to be reminded, because they keep acting like Israel is target civilians.
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People have to be reminded, because they keep acting like Israel is target civilians.
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2024-17-06
The survivors of two million people are packed into an area smaller than Manhattan. Where are the non-civilian parts of that?
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The survivors of two million people are packed into an area smaller than Manhattan. Where are the non-civilian parts of that?
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2024-17-06
Neat idea. Where?
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Neat idea. Where?
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2024-17-06
That's largely due to Hamas, though. They don't allow birth control and women under Hamas rule are encouraged to have babies in order to breed more soldiers to join their holy war. In 2009, in Gaza the average woman had 8 kids. To put it in perspective, in 2024 the world's current highest is the country of Niger at 6.6 births per woman. Oh and that whole waging an unending and unceasing holy war and using their population as shields, thing.
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That's largely due to Hamas, though. They don't allow birth control and women under Hamas rule are encouraged to have babies in order to breed more soldiers to join their holy war. In 2009, in Gaza the average woman had 8 kids. To put it in perspective, in 2024 the world's current highest is the country of Niger at 6.6 births per woman. Oh and that whole waging an unending and unceasing holy war and using their population as shields, thing.
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2024-17-06
One side has "obliterate the State of Israel and kill Jews" in its mission statement. One side marched into Israel in a surprise attack and did unspeakable things to civilians. When Hamas has flat out said "we are not going to stop, ever", they put Israel in a position of needing to eliminate Hamas by any means necessary. And if Hamas is more than happy to put civilians in harm's way, then we should hang the responsibility for those civilians dying on Hamas. > what matters is finding a way forward where people stop killing each other Hamas can surrender and face the consequences of their actions any time. This isn't like a salary negotiation where both sides have legitimate interests and a happy medium needs to be found. Hamas has placed themselves in a position where they *must* be held accountable, otherwise Israel opens itself to attack again.
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One side has "obliterate the State of Israel and kill Jews" in its mission statement. One side marched into Israel in a surprise attack and did unspeakable things to civilians. When Hamas has flat out said "we are not going to stop, ever", they put Israel in a position of needing to eliminate Hamas by any means necessary. And if Hamas is more than happy to put civilians in harm's way, then we should hang the responsibility for those civilians dying on Hamas. > what matters is finding a way forward where people stop killing each other Hamas can surrender and face the consequences of their actions any time. This isn't like a salary negotiation where both sides have legitimate interests and a happy medium needs to be found. Hamas has placed themselves in a position where they *must* be held accountable, otherwise Israel opens itself to attack again.
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