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User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Slayer706 (Slayer706): "Tell them your total compensation is $X. That includes several things that won't be on your pay stubs, like 401k matching, medical premiums, bonuses, etc." dotified (dotified): "This. If you must answer the question:\n\n"My total annual cash compensation was/is $X" where X=base plus bonus. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Um every time I see that advice it's attached to a clause of "be prepared to wall away"."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "This is how the game is played. You took the risk; it didn't work out this time. This is why it's a risk - but you played your cards well and you accepted the repercussions. Don't dwell on it too much. Fortune favours the bold and if this were poker I'd say you played very well but unfortunately luck was not on your side. But look, you will be dealt a new hand - just know when to hold em "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I've got to be honest it doesn't matter how good an employee is, if they give me an ultimatum, they're out. Bosses don't like threats, even if they're well intended. My dad is a chief officer for a major international corporation and we've had this same conversation. Just don't do it. There are much better ways to ask for a raise, like talking to your boss about your accomplishments and how much time and dedication you've put into the job. Chances are, your boss got to that position because they've put in a lot of blood, sweat and tears. No one likes someone who comes across like they're entitled - even if they don't mean it that way. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You made a bet and lost. It happens. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" zhentarim_agent (zhentarim_agent): "Because bills to pay?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Feel free to turn down the other offer and find something else."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" User (wheezyFpuppy): "Yeah I don't actually want to keep it - but the answer to my problems was not allowing someone else to force my hand and get into a situation that's probably worse. " Salty_Caroline (Salty_Caroline): "At least the pay is better, and you may actually end up liking it. Might have better coworkers/boss, or a better atmosphere. It might be more hours/more stress, but maybe they might treat their employees better in other ways to make up for it?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Congrats on the new job OP!"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." jstef (jstef): "Government jobs use pay stubs from previous employers as part of their salary negotiations." SerJorahTheExplorah (SerJorahTheExplorah): "Government jobs that have non-negotiable pay scales?" jstef (jstef): "The negotiation process is "what pay grade do you want, why do you think you deserve it, and give us a pay stub."\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." lasagnaman (lasagnaman): "Google did."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." rreiter01 (rreiter01): "Besides if they think you're good enough for the position at that price, why would they care what you were paid before?" anon445 (anon445): "Helps trim fat"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " Woodshadow (Woodshadow): "I'm starting to worry that my constant changing of jobs isn't working for me. Longest I have been at one is 3 years. Right now I have been at my current job for 6 months and last job at 16 months. No one has asked about it but I am having trouble just getting interviews" far2common (far2common): "If you'd only been on the job six months and you're sending out resumes again, something is wrong. If it's a pattern on your resume, as a hiring manager I'd assume the problem is you. \n\nApologies if that seems rough, but, at least in the industry I work in, that's barely enough time to get properly up to speed. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" coworker (coworker): "Even in tech you'll eventually get to a point where doors start closing, especially now that VC money is starting to dry up. The job market will not be the same forever."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "So what company was it? I'd like to avoid companies that outsource where I can."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Trust me, they won't stay with India for long"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." yes_its_him (yes_its_him): "From what I've seen, I think you're mischaracterizing how "leverage" is used here. It's more typically the case that it's used to help someone know what they are worth in the market. \n\nAdvice here is more typically to find a new job to get a raise, or to at least get a new offer as a guide to asking for a raise. It's rare to see advice here say to get an offer, then go to your current job and say you have another offer, as OP did. It's far more common to see the opposite advice, in my experience, which is: don't mention other offers. " Self: "If used correctly... yes, you are correct. But in fairness, anytime a job topic comes up here someone invariably brings up the leverage thing as a way of getting a raise at their current job. Infact, OP posting this topic kinda shows they read and took that advice.\n\nReally I'm just telling people to be cautious and understand what you're doing. If it were just as simple as walking into your bosses office and telling him you have another job offer, and expecting him to throw you a blank check, you'll be sadly disappointed and I wish it wasn't such a "go to" reply to employment threads." User (wheezyFpuppy): "If you sort this sub by top all time - literally the third post is someone explaining how they went from 58k to 85k.... by getting another job offer - you're right that it totally comes up here ALOT. " Rirere (Rirere): "It does, but I also see the cautionary side of it just as often. Personally it may just be that I'm a bit later to these threads but usually by the time I get here people have pointed out that all advice on the internet needs a sanity check. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Why didn't you ask for a raise and say its a comparable rate around this area and if no raise then make a decision? 15-20% more is a big deal i mean if he gave u a 10% raise and you thought it would have been better you could have had more options. However if no raise was on the way it was better to leave anyway..."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "This only works if you're a top performer who was likely to get the raise at some point in the future. If you just showed up to work and did the minimum - a offer letter isn't going to get you any more. They would rather fire and hire someone who will actually perform at that rate. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." dontwanttopayforwifi (dontwanttopayforwifi): "Pay stubs just don't seem like a 100% secure way to prove salary. \n\nCouldn't a 'bad' person just pay themselves their desired monthly salary and use a similarly named company and create a pay stub out of that?" Rirere (Rirere): "Particularly if you are trying to leverage experience at a large firm that uses a payroll vendor, this may be harder than you'd think. \n\nMore pertinently though, this is the point of background checks and the firm that handled mine dug up my old salaries via third party reporting. " dontwanttopayforwifi (dontwanttopayforwifi): "I'm trying to understand. Are you saying that if you're trying to say that:\n\n"I've had 10 years experience with BIG FIRM" would be difficult to prove because the big firm usually uses a payroll vendor that can be accessed by the company interviewing you?\n\nThird party reporting is an interesting subject. Who's the third party that reported your salary? Boss, Payroll vendor, your actual company? Also, what's in it for them for reporting it?" Rirere (Rirere): "No, it's in regard to your question of faking your pay stub by using a similar sounding name on a stub generated by another firm. If you work for a company that uses ADP for example, there's a risk reward calculation involved in trying to fake an ADP stub that I don't think is in your favor. \n\nCan't disclose because it could be collated with other info. It's done by companies because they recognize having an effectively crowdsourced way to check base salaries are legit helps them in hiring. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I got a job offer a few days ago to make more with less hours and better benefits, although ill be taking a step backwards.\n\nI wanted to use this to get a raise, but rather Im much more comfortable switching so I called my DM (an impersonal businessman, to be generous) and asked him where he saw my career going in the near future after referencing this new offer. His response was simply "you just got a promotion" so I didnt bother negotiating.\n\nI will have my two weeks written up by Monday, wish me luck! Ive been told to never ask for a raise (or reference other options) without being ready to leave.\n\nGood luck!"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" ew73 (ew73): "Indeed, it depends heavily on the industry. In tech, if you're with an employer for more than a couple years without significant growth, you're doing the career thing wrong. \n\nThat said, if you find an employer that you're happy at and you can grow and learn with for 5 or 10 or even rest-of-career time periods, by all means, stick around. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You didn't lose, OP. You won. Make the best of it. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Hey bud. It's gonna be ok.\n\nYou've already decided to hate your job, that's not going to change no matter how much they counter-offer you.\n\nI quit my last job that i loved for one that paid more. I didn't like it at all. 6 months later, was promoted, another 6 months later, I was promoted to my dream job making 200% more in 1 year, than I was at my last job. Things happen for a reason.\n\nYou hated your last job, that wasn't going to change. So enjoy the higher pay ceiling and move on. " gosutag (gosutag): "This is exactly the idea. Once you figure out you hate your job and it really sinks in then there's nothing that can help keeping that job. Either you'll get let go or you'll quit eventually so better now than later because you can control now!"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I am a little confused. What did you tell your boss exactly? Why did they immediately assume you're quitting?\n\n>Two - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun.\n\nLooks like they might have already been looking at firing you."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "A lot of employers won't counter, or will counter but hold a grudge, because they feel betrayed. Lesson learned"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "> I have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job (...) I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India.\n\nAnd\n\n\n> a position that paid 15-20% more (...) new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress.\n\n\nSounds like you were going to be replaced soon, anyway. And the new job seems like it's less easy to replace by outsourcing. Plus you won't be bored anymore. It's not your ideal job, so from day 1 there you should start looking for better job options again."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." hithazel (hithazel): "If you want a raise, and you think you deserve it, just ask for it. If they say no, ask them to help you make a plan and goals that would lead to a raise. Your only real leverage with your employer is your value to them. If they don't value you enough to give you a raise, then another job offer changes nothing."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Welp, you learned a lesson here. Never use a new job offer as leverage. Either take it and just give your notice or use the NUMBER from that offer to write up a business case why you are worth more money to your current employer.\n\nJust saying "Please give me more money" without justification rarely works." hithazel (hithazel): "Yeah. The time you tell you boss you got another job offer is after you have accepted that offer. If you want more money it's just as easy to say, "person X in Y competing company did a certain dollar amount of work and got paid 25% more than me for doing it. I'd like you to pay me a similar amount of money""
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Don't feel too bad. It's catch-22. \n \nIf you found a job you really did want, there is less of a chance you would consider a counter offer."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." jstef (jstef): "Government jobs use pay stubs from previous employers as part of their salary negotiations." SerJorahTheExplorah (SerJorahTheExplorah): "Government jobs that have non-negotiable pay scales?" lrssrx (lrssrx): "Which countries are you talking about? Most American governments have grades/ranges and then steps. Grades are non-negotiable but steps are. Fed executive jobs can vary $50k+ even within the same classification. Also, even classifications are negotiable at executive level. I got my position re-classed through negotiation before, at state level."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Sorry, but I'm not sure how much real world experience is in this thread.\n\nI have used offers to leverage more money on several occasions. FOR SURE you should be prepared to leave your position if things don't go your way.\n\nAs for multiple job changes & gaps in employment, I have been asked questions and never once have I received feedback that was negative. As long as you have a reason (NOT an excuse) for it, employers do not care. Period. Hell, I quit a job I had for 7 years without giving notice and they spent 4 years chasing me trying to get me back.\n\nAs someone who has been working for about 20 years now, I have had more jobs than I could count. Never once has the person interviewing me thought that was a bad thing. It is called accumulating experience. It's sort of what life is all about."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Not to be rude, but if that was your boss's response it sounds like he didn't really like you and that there might be some soft skills that you could work on. If you were somebody that your boss at least wanted to work with, I feel like they would have had a softer response than to merely ask you when you're quitting" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Speaking of needing to work on soft skills."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" JoeTony6 (JoeTony6): "Not tech - total opposite for much of my career (non-profit), still hopped jobs on average every 18 months since graduating in May 2011. \n\nIn my last round of job interviews, it finally came up in conversations. I had an easy answer though: all my previous gigs were dead end jobs in departments/positions I didn't care for (office manager, admin, data entry/database, etc.). Only my most recent position besides my current one is in my ideal career path that lines up with what I'm getting my second degree in. \n\nI landed at a pretty solid growing company though and plan to stay quite a while this time. At the very least, I'm going to work and take advantage of their tuition reimbursement plan through 2018. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "There are Fortune 500 companies that do this, actually. I've worked at 2 of them. Both claimed it is Policy and can't make an offer until they have it. The first time it happened, I called their bluff. It wasn't a bluff." phl_fc (phl_fc): "A lot of big companies like that salary isn't really negotiable either because they have assigned salaries for every job title. What you have to do there is either negotiate for a different job title (one that pays better) or go after intangibles like more vacation or bigger discretionary bonuses." redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "For hourly or entry level, a lot of times, yes. At more senior roles, compensation is almost always negotiable."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." relax_its_fine (relax_its_fine): "> If you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away.\n\npeople don't understand that that's the only way the new job offer can be leverage.\n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "People dont like it when you give them classical argument."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "That's the main problem you already identified, you could of been replaced. That's why I loved working as a sysadmin and I keep certain things to myself that are critical just in case. \n\nI did that same thing to the job I have now but they really liked me where I worked at but they didn't counter right away. I was actually hesitant about leaving and switching jobs even though the pay was better at the other place. So last minute I told HR, "Hey, I will stay but only if you can match their base pay offer" and they did.\n\nMaybe for you, the job move was a good thing and who knows, maybe it will work out better in the end. You will learn new things at the new job. Also, who knows what would happen to you anyways. Maybe the boss was relieved that he didn't want to fire you as you were a great employee but maybe he would eventually have to because of cut-backs. Never know. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " RedditTidder12345 (RedditTidder12345): "Easy unless you have young children and a mortgage to provide for... thats what scares most people out of taking thise risks. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "At least you have a new job and a little more money." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yeah, but totally dreading it" Thatlawnguy (Thatlawnguy): "What type of work is it?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Did you actually ask for the raise? Or did you just tell them about the offer and hoped they'd offer on their own accord? "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well you got this new job so you can probably get another. If not now, at least in a year or 2. Is there any way you can push out your last day long enough to get the bonus?" User (wheezyFpuppy): "Nah I have a friend in accounting who saw I got taken off the bonus list :(" Thatlawnguy (Thatlawnguy): "You don't have to take the other job unless you have turned in your notice. Depending on where you live, they would have to pay you severance unless you willingly quit."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " Woodshadow (Woodshadow): "I'm starting to worry that my constant changing of jobs isn't working for me. Longest I have been at one is 3 years. Right now I have been at my current job for 6 months and last job at 16 months. No one has asked about it but I am having trouble just getting interviews" epiwssa (epiwssa): "Stop sending out resumes looking for interviews right now. Hold on until about 2-3 years of time at your current job. Your resume is going to look like a job-hopper resume, which will cause you problems. \n\nI used to do hiring at a third-party call center, and even there, in the land of low standards - if you turned over three jobs in under two years and you didn't have a damn good reason? We'd toss your file riiiiight in the shredder."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Having read your edit about how old employer was ready to replace you with an outsourced overseas worker: If they're ready to do that now, then the deals were already in place to do that to you anyway, sooner or later. Move on, don't look back. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Employers don't like to be held for ransom. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." nemec (nemec): "Just get a cert somewhere. "I was taking time off to familiarize myself with the current state of X field and gain additional skills to make myself more competitive."" Hahahahahahai (Hahahahahahai): "If it helps; there are plenty of fields where there's not really such a thing."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." 4Sken (4Sken): ">Your loyalty\n\nThis makes me kind of pissed just thinking about it. You're supposed to be loyal to them, but they'll fire you and replace you today with literally anyone if you overstep some boundary. \n\nShitty managers think they're doing you a favour hiring you. If your employee isn't 100% earning what you're giving him, you're a shitty manager. If he is, you're not doing him any favours.\n" Self: "When you put it like that... nope it's not fair. But it is how it is."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "my words when leveraging are almost exactly "i am currently having x,y,z problems daily(weekly) this is making me reconsider my job here. I want to continue working here, but one of the biggest problems is my pay. i feel under paid because [talk about why here]. " wait for response. If your boss sounds receptive then you are done. If boss is unrecptive continue below \n\n"I am currently fielding offers from multiple companies including [talk generally about one company that gave you an interview]. They are willing to pay [talk generally about increase such as "$5,000 above my current pay level"]. " At this point you have the benefits route or the money route. NOT BOTH!!!!!!!\n\nbenefits: "I would be willing to forgo an increase this year in exchange for x,y,z benefits (note: if new benefit start small and ask for increase next year). This would boost my productivity and recharge my drive for this company."\n\nMoney: "I really like that at this company there is x, that the other company doesn't have. A small raise of [split the difference($2,500)] would be what i would what, but i would be willing to negotiate." let boss respond. Play back and forth. do not go less than 25%($1250) otherwise your boss might take this as a yearly raise(if you get a consistent raise each year).\n\nAt all points be willing to walk, "unfortunately that won't cut it for i will have a letter of resignation for you tomorrow(give time to let boss mull you quitting)" . spending an 30 mins to an hour negotiating for $50 more a year isn't worth it and gives you an indication of the resistance you will encounter when you really need a raise. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Seriously.. how is this not common sense. \n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " CubedRoot (CubedRoot): "This is the proper answer. It's polite, understandable and totally honest. If i were hiring someone and they told me this I would respect them and it would give me a much better impression of them. Mostly because everyone ALWAYS overstates what their current employer is paying them, and the hiring manager knows your shooting a line of shit anyways when you spout off a number."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bplboston17 (bplboston17): "Well why did you only stay at your last two positions for 1.5-2 years?? Because you didn't like the pay? or the work? or because you just wanted more money and had better offers?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " owellohwell (owellohwell): "Who knows, it could end up being something you enjoy, if only because it's a new and fresh environment! "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " bblv (bblv): "That made zero sense"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I was deeply surprised to learn that anyone thinks that using this kind of "leverage" is a good idea. But there are some good ideas mixed up in this cautionary tale:\n\n1. Looking around for other jobs. Great idea at all times. At the very least, this will give you an hint when you are being underpaid.\n\n2. Using the security of having somewhere to go to improve your position.\n\n3. Talking directly to your employer about a raise.\n\nThose three things are all good. What is unbelievable self-destructive (and it seems you had to learn this the hard way, so the rest of us can learn by example) is to directly say: "I have an offer at another company." Even if you do not directly add the ultimatum or threat, it is blatantly obvious what you are doing. Instead, just go in and say that some things have been really bothering you and you would like to talk about it. Give your best argumentation with the strength that comes from knowing you are not about to become unemployed.\n\nOnce you tell a company that you have another offer, you have just tendered your resignation.\n\nI actually have an opposite story: I got another job and when I told my boss, he offered me more money to stay. I actually liked where I was at the time, but I had made my decision before telling my boss. I had to politely refuse his offer. I did everything I could to make my departure easy for him and I even had the chance a year or two later to save him tens of thousands of Euros from an overzealous government employee (long story, but basically they hoped that we were no longer in contact, so they threw some insurance related stuff at his company that was clearly an incorrect interpretation of the law. I was able to provide the needed proof to make them back off)\n\nNeedless to say, I am still very welcome to return to that old company any time I like; the boss became a friend of mine; my reputation increased because of my clear decision (and clear lack of blackmail).\n\nAnd of course you never know: even if your boss throws more money at you, they may start the machinery to replace you right away. After all, you just became a flight risk.\n\nTo end on a happy note: I think you made the right call in changing jobs. It's the best way to get more money and experience today. You also learned some valuable lessons in negotiating tactics, and that's some great hard currency for you in the future."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Sorry you had this happen to you, but yeah, you're right - don't just go get an offer to try and generate a counter. Only present it if you are legitimately interested in the other job, because they might call your bluff. \n\nThere's a stat that HR people are fond of that says something like most employees who accept a counteroffer end up leaving within 6-9 months anyway. So, unless you're absolutely critical in the short term and countering would let them have time to train up someone else to replace you when you eventually leave, they may be reluctant to counter. You've also just put yourself at the top of the list should a layoff happen - why fight to save the guy who was ready to bail out 3 months ago? Better to cut him and save someone who seems like they're happy and wants to stick around.\n\nHopefully the new role will be interesting and lead to other opportunities. Good luck!"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "There are Fortune 500 companies that do this, actually. I've worked at 2 of them. Both claimed it is Policy and can't make an offer until they have it. The first time it happened, I called their bluff. It wasn't a bluff." jldugger (jldugger): "> The first time it happened, I called their bluff. It wasn't a bluff.\n\nMore like they called your bluff."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." jstef (jstef): "Government jobs use pay stubs from previous employers as part of their salary negotiations." left_handed_violist (left_handed_violist): "My salary is public record where I work."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "For this to work you have to make yourself appear as vital to your employer. If you are replaceable they won't bother keeping you."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "At least you have a new job and a little more money." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yeah, but totally dreading it" itsthebrod (itsthebrod): "Then start looking again, using your higher pay as your new starting point for salary negotiations." redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "That's not really how it works.\n\nEdit: I should have specified you can parlay higher pay jobs into higher pay jobs, but not a few weeks or months into one. Most HR departments and hiring managers will just put that resume in the trash." bremidon (bremidon): "Not sure why you are getting such a negative response. I've done my fair share of hiring, and someone who came to me after only working at another company for a few months was definitely at the end of the line. I don't think I ever hired anyone like that, and I cannot imagine what explanation would change my mind.\n\nI don't want to invest in someone just to be another link in their salary chain. I expect to get a return on my investment. If I doubt someone is going to stay in the position for less than 2 years, than it's just not worth the time and effort to train them or (as the terrible current term says) "onboard" them. (I hate that word)"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" Niku-Man (Niku-Man): "I love my job and I think I am well paid for my experience. It's not all bad news out there "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Hey, this outcome is a lot better than the typical outcome.\n\nAccept the higher wage negotiations, start immediately looking for a replacement. Terminate the employ as soon as a replacement is found. \n\nIn this one, they convince you you won the negotiations, so you decline the job. By the end of the month you don't have a job anymore. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Unless Boss thinks you aren't talent they want to keep on and more than glad to let you go instead of firing you, therefore not having to pay your severance package (if you had one) since you voluntary left... i guess? "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Word to the wise: a job offer is good leverage against a competing job offer (I've done this to successfully create a bidding war and a sense of urgency in securing me that resulted in a 33% raise and a fat signing bonus compared with my previous job) but it's a TERRIBLE tactic to use for a raise/bonus/promotion at your current job.\n\nBest case scenario: you get the raise/bonus/promotion but your boss and co-workers now know you're only here for the money, that you're actively pursuing other offers, and that you're likely to bail at the first opportunity to make a buck. The rational response for your boss is to start hunting for your replacement immediately, or even to allow you to leave to save them the trouble of firing you and having to pay severance. Regardless, the end result is short term gains at the cost of burning bridges with all your coworkers and adding an expiration date to your current job."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "@OP, if you were unhappy at your last gig, and you're pretty sure that you're going to be unhappy at this new gig, then now might be a good time time to make some more changes in your life. \n\n- Work this new job but set yourself a time limit. Studies have shown that people can endure stressful situations far longer if they simply have a deadline for how long they have to put up with it, as opposed to indefinitely. \n\n- You can then use that time to look for another position (maybe in another city as sometimes working conditions even across competitors can be indicative of limited options within a given area).\n\n- See if there are related fields you could transfer your skill set and experience to that you may not have considered before. I'd recommend this before making a change to a completely new field of study. Sometimes you just need to take a training course or obtain a certification. \n\n- Talk to your new employer about career advancement within their ranks. You may not be happy with the position you started off with there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you'd be unhappy with a supervisory/training/more technical role within the new company.\n\nHope this helps. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Correct me if I am incorrect assumption... But did you even ask them to counter? From how I'm reading your post, you merely said that you got another offer. As an employer, I may take that as "okay, guess you don't want to even be here, good luck." People are idiots, especially managers. \n\nReading your edit, I see this would not work for you if you're getting replaced anyways. But for anyone else in this position: Managers need to be told everything specifically. Tell them you want a raise because you are worth more. If you leave it as is, they could just accept the fact that you don't even want to be here and move on. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "This is not the situation that people suggest though. You discussed with a boss you don't want to stay with a job opportunity you don't want to take. It's like two times zero. The suggestion is that you have a job you want to STAY with and put a second offer on the table that you are willing to TAKE. Then you have two times one and thereby increase your bargaining value.\n\nIn your situation the whole discussion should not be about increase your income but about finding a new job you are willing to do. E.g. what did you not like about your current job? In which area can you provide a value to your company? What other requirements you have? And when you are looking for the new job you can possibly use your current pay as an argument when the payment discussion starts. But the argument won't be "give me more or I stay at my current job" but "that's what I got, should be reasonable to get a little more, right?"\n\nApplying the wrong solution to a problem will of course not solve the problem and may make it worse. Every engineer, doctor, consultant or police man could tell you that."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" fruit-based (fruit-based): "Lots of people give a shit - remember you only ever get the jobs where people dont"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away\n\nYeah.. that is pretty much common sense." erikb85 (erikb85): "Nope, actually not. If both your current boss and the offered job really are a match, nobody will send you away for talking with the other company. Having to walk away only happens if you find out that your current boss actually doesn't want you to stay on board.\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " flimspringfield (flimspringfield): "You can call that a "sabbatical" and a lot of employers are ok with that."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " snowbunnie678 (snowbunnie678): "So people who needed to spend some time in a mental hospital should never get the chance to work again? Not trying to be confrontational just playing devil's advocate. " markman1231 (markman1231): "Pft, mental hospitals aren't a thing anymore. Nowadays they hospitalize you for a day (in hospital ER) then release you to skid row. In fact, tons of programmers burn-out and end up on skid row unable to get back on their feet. That's why balance is important and you need to be able to set your foot down with your employer." flimspringfield (flimspringfield): "What proof do you have that programmers end up on skid row?\n\nWhat you are saying is that there is a ton of smart people that are homeless people that Silicon Valley could tap."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I had a similar experience a little over a year ago and I couldn't be happier with the change. I was really apprehensive and worried about the new job and it ended up being way better and I am way happier.\nGood luck with the new job."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." Rirere (Rirere): "A note that part of getting a qualified mortgage with more favorable rates involves you verifying two years of work history with a documented explanation for gaps in employment of or longer than thirty days. Your loan officer may well be giving you side eye if you don't have something. " syro23 (syro23): "My office used to be opposite our underwriters and I have heard this very thing. If you don't have steady reliable income you are gonna have a harder time getting a loan and you will be paying more for it."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "When I've been a manager, I've done exactly as your boss did. I never ever counter offer. \n\nNow, if you had come to me 6mos ago and talked to me about being unsatisfied with the work or the pay etc, then it would be different. " winndixie (winndixie): "Different as in you'd start looking for a cheaper replacement?\n\nI'm happy that I'm fluent in power talk." Self: "Certainly not. If you have someone that comes in good (and assuming they are an upstanding employee otherwise), you work with them to find new opportunities, new training, new tasks, perhaps in-company transfers (if that's an option), etc. And eventually you either help that person advance their career, or mentor them to understand they have no options in your company, and then you try to help, advise, recommend them to advance to other companies. " PokemonGoNowhere (PokemonGoNowhere): "Two jobs ago, I had a boss who is compassionate like you. Very nice boss and did a lot for me through the years. But, came time to when another job offered me more money for same work, he said he couldn't counter. He had a gun to his head from CEO demanding a 10% budget cut across all departments. What do you do then to keep the employee?\n\nAs nice and caring my boss was, taking care of my professional development and financial stability is more important. He knew it to. What would've you done? " Self: "What would I have done as you, or the boss? Really the answer is the same. If it really is a better opportunity (money, commute, culture, learning etc), then you go, or let go. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " garbeth (garbeth): "Couldn't agree more. Times have changed. People take time off. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "probably should have waited until after the review to drop that bomb."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You say you are underpaid, but then go to explain that the company has figured out your job could be done at half the cost....so really you are being over paid?\n\nYou also say the other offer is 15-20% higher but the job is more stressful/longer hours etc which may not make it worth it. This says to me that perhaps they aren't directly equivalent, again suggesting that this says nothing about your current jobs pay.\n\nDo you just perhaps want a different job?" damnatio_memoriae (damnatio_memoriae): "just because they can outsource it to india doesn't mean they will get the same quality. they most certainly will not. they probably are not paying OP what he is worth but that doesn't mean they care about having that level of quality. most likely, they were getting a good deal so they went with it, and now they're opting to cheap out going forward."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I don't understand. If they replaced you by outsourcing, then isn't a good thing that you are leaving? If you are easily replaced by outsourcing, better to know that now with a new offer in hand, then to have a bombshell dropped on you later when they might just let you go with no warning." damnatio_memoriae (damnatio_memoriae): "just because OP was easily replaced via outsourcing doesn't mean they especially wanted to outsource the position. it's more likely that they were willing to do it but also appreciated/took advantage of having a quality resource at a low salary while they could."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." redhustle (redhustle): "Hahaha\n\n>I can replace you literally today. btw I expect complete loyalty.\n\nHow could you have respect for a boss like that?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " mynameisblanked (mynameisblanked): "Boring repetitive tasks that take time that need doing yesterday. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " Nailbomb85 (Nailbomb85): "20% more and more hours. That's gonna be a hefty increase."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Why can't you stay where you are? Just say you messed up and were wrong... Don't tell the potential employer that you changed your mind until after you know what your current employer will say."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well that was pretty dumb of you. They called your bluff, I don't know what you were expecting. If you're not willing to leave then don't threaten to leave."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " Slotos (Slotos): "I took 30% cut just to flee my last job. I now travel and save simply because I'm not stressed out on a permanent basis.\n\nBut damn, did it take some heavy abuse to overcome the fear of not being employable due to having a very specific job experience. If not for a panic fit from my social life crumbling rapidly, I'd probably still work there. To "just move on" is far from the easiest thing for an overworked person to do. Learned helplessness might bar that path."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "From my wife, who has an encyclopedic knowledge of Dilbert:\n[Monday January 31, 2000](http://dilbert.com/strip/2000-01-31)"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "In other words, be prepared to leave your job if you want to do this."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " radarksu (radarksu): "Wow, so tell me I'm crazy but I graduated college in 2005 with an engineering degree. I still work for the same company, 11 years single employer. I like my job, I make a decent wage, and I basically do what I want. \n\nCould I make more by "job hopping"?, yeah probably. But I also might be the 1st person to be laid off when the nest recession hits. \n\nI'll say this, in my 11 years I've seen many people leave my company only to come back. I only hope that they didn't get a significant raise for doing that move. I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money. " JorgJorgJorg (JorgJorgJorg): "> I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more\n\nIf you work for a mid to large company then chances are they indeed are paying the boomerang emloyees more"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." markman1231 (markman1231): "I'm in tech. Today alone I had 3 recruiters contact me. If I quit, I would finally have the time to try new software stacks or work on some of the ideas I've had for personal start-up projects. Being able to show I've worked with those new technologies and have experience using them for projects would put me even more in demand for the next job offers. \n\nAnd frankly, I have two years of savings to survive on if I quit. I would be in no rush to take a new job. If I really wanted, I could just tell them I went on a 3 month vacation and that's all they need to know. I work in tech, I get paid a lot, I get long vacations. And if I don't see a project worth my time, I don't work there anymore. \n\n"Why haven't you been working?"\n\n "I've been vetting offers and projects, but I haven't seen anything worth my time or commitment. You can feel proud that you have my attention with something worthwhile."\n\nAnd frankly, I don't fucking care if they hire me. I can make the same/more freelancing from home with no commute. Or I can work on my own projects and at this point launch a start-up that accepts payments within 30-60 days and probably build a more successful business model than most employers in my city have." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Are you hiring?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " snowbunnie678 (snowbunnie678): "So people who needed to spend some time in a mental hospital should never get the chance to work again? Not trying to be confrontational just playing devil's advocate. " markman1231 (markman1231): "Pft, mental hospitals aren't a thing anymore. Nowadays they hospitalize you for a day (in hospital ER) then release you to skid row. In fact, tons of programmers burn-out and end up on skid row unable to get back on their feet. That's why balance is important and you need to be able to set your foot down with your employer." snowbunnie678 (snowbunnie678): "I googled skid row as I wasnt sure what you meant..but you probably didnt mean Skid Row, CA with a population of 117,00? " nephelokokkygia (nephelokokkygia): "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skid_row" gl00pp (gl00pp): "I love telling people that the term 'skid row' comes from Seattle. (I live here)"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I know its going to be more stressful, but think of the opportunities. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " radarksu (radarksu): "Wow, so tell me I'm crazy but I graduated college in 2005 with an engineering degree. I still work for the same company, 11 years single employer. I like my job, I make a decent wage, and I basically do what I want. \n\nCould I make more by "job hopping"?, yeah probably. But I also might be the 1st person to be laid off when the nest recession hits. \n\nI'll say this, in my 11 years I've seen many people leave my company only to come back. I only hope that they didn't get a significant raise for doing that move. I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money. " cleardyne (cleardyne): "The reality is that different careers have different standards and expectations for tenure.\n\nUtility careers like civil and electrical engineering are long tenure because there are relatively few employers and as a result the employers are large and have room for mobility within the company, the job itself rewards persistence and patience, these are not industries for people who want to 'just do it live' - you cannot build a bridge and wait to see if it falls down.\n\nIn the middle are jobs where the training is specific to the job but doesn't require a related degree, that's pretty much all generic 'office stuff', middle management, clerical work etc.\n\nOn the low side are jobs where the field is advancing rapidly or where the experience is directly transferable from one company to another (IT, skilled manual work like plumbing or electrical contracting) or where the work moves around. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." jstef (jstef): "Government jobs use pay stubs from previous employers as part of their salary negotiations." SerJorahTheExplorah (SerJorahTheExplorah): "Government jobs that have non-negotiable pay scales?" Speakinintungs (Speakinintungs): "The pay scales are non-negotiable but the decision on the gs level they bring you in on can be a little (and I mean a little) more flexible. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "As a recruitment consultant we get this a lot, remember why you chose to leave, you were bored and underpaid. Make the move as it's obvious you're not happy where you are."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " Its_me_not_caring (Its_me_not_caring): "Boring, tedious work that is urgent and important."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Actually, this is exactly what I did, and it absolutely worked. I wasn't wanting to leave at all. I finally got a raise that I was looking for. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "> A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job\n\nCautionary tale? You executed it poorly. You weren't even prepared to take the job in the first place. \n\n> As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nYou used a prospective position that you were not confident about as leverage. \nThe whole point of 'leverage' is to be in a position where you are better off in any case, walking in to your employee review ready to hand in your resignation and requiring them to persuade you otherwise.\n\n> if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away.\n\nThat's the fucking point!\n\nEssentially, if you couldn't answer the question:\n> 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'\n\nthen you had nothing. \n\nIt seems like your approach was more "as long as I can get some arbitrary figure on a nice piece of paper, my current employer should freak out and drop to the ground."\n\nI'm probably going to get down voted for my tone here, but you have insulted what should be a logical process by blaming your failure on 'leverage doesn't work'\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You ate doing the right thing.\n\nObviously there is no future in your current job.\n\nMore money means more free time in the end of the day. \n\nMore hours is not necessarily a bad thing if you are getting paid, commuting less, having fun, working with good people. \n\nIt is natural to worry. It would be unnatural to not worry \n\nBut you are doing the right thing. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" Not_the_brightest (Not_the_brightest): "I felt the same.\n\nI wanted to keep the job because I was comfortable, and change is fucking scary. I left, and I'm glad I did. I have challenges ahead, but that is how you grow. But it really takes a lot to move on from comfort." ashinator (ashinator): "When you are young you should look to change jobs every now and then. When you get up in the age it is probably easier to stay at one job. But getting new experience is important. \n\nBeing stressed, underpaid, overworked and not feeling you get paid or challenged in the job is not a good thing. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." BeforeYouLeave (BeforeYouLeave): "Yes. My last employer (municipality) requested from previous employer (State) dates and amount of salary,subsequent raises. \n\nOf course they recvd info cause its public info. \n\nI think they wanted this info for their uses to justify the amount I was to be paid. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " UF8FF (UF8FF): "Customer Service is boring and stressful. You get a lot of angry people (stressful) but all their issues are more or less bullshit (boring). " crystaljae (crystaljae): "I've been in customer service almost my whole like and do not find it boring. Like literally everyday you think you've heard it all and then another crazy comes in and you realize you have not heard it all. " Spenny120 (Spenny120): "Maybe boring is not the right word, but monotonous definitely applies to customer service. I started my career as a claims adjuster which I found to be a very monotonous, stressful job that was eventually going to kill me."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." yes_its_him (yes_its_him): "From what I've seen, I think you're mischaracterizing how "leverage" is used here. It's more typically the case that it's used to help someone know what they are worth in the market. \n\nAdvice here is more typically to find a new job to get a raise, or to at least get a new offer as a guide to asking for a raise. It's rare to see advice here say to get an offer, then go to your current job and say you have another offer, as OP did. It's far more common to see the opposite advice, in my experience, which is: don't mention other offers. " Self: "If used correctly... yes, you are correct. But in fairness, anytime a job topic comes up here someone invariably brings up the leverage thing as a way of getting a raise at their current job. Infact, OP posting this topic kinda shows they read and took that advice.\n\nReally I'm just telling people to be cautious and understand what you're doing. If it were just as simple as walking into your bosses office and telling him you have another job offer, and expecting him to throw you a blank check, you'll be sadly disappointed and I wish it wasn't such a "go to" reply to employment threads." User (wheezyFpuppy): "If you sort this sub by top all time - literally the third post is someone explaining how they went from 58k to 85k.... by getting another job offer - you're right that it totally comes up here ALOT. " yes_its_him (yes_its_him): "And that guy was happy to take the other job offer. Don't use that post as a rationale to bring up offers you don't want to take. "

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