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User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away\n\nYeah.. that is pretty much common sense." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yupppp. I was stupid and grossly overestimated my worth to current place. " billytheid (billytheid): "You were about to be fired; if the outsourcing was already an option then that review was going to be about you 'transitioning' or some other HR-happy term.\n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away\n\nYeah.. that is pretty much common sense." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yupppp. I was stupid and grossly overestimated my worth to current place. " redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "It's not just about your worth. You basically told them you want to leave unless they pay you more. As an employer, I would do the same thing. Haven't had it happen because I think my directs know how I think about it. I will support you if you want to leave. If you want a raise, ask. Don't bring me a job offer and tell me you're leaving if I don't match. That tells me you want to leave, so why would I pay you more to stay?" billytheid (billytheid): "Yeah man, bad example: head hunting is common and you have to pay talented people what they're worth or they're going to work for the competition "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Yeaaaaa probably should've felt more confident you're employer couldn't lose you before you did that... I waited until I knew they couldn't lose me and strong armed a 15k bonus (We have an aging staff and I'm the youngest and most versatile bro they have but that's another story). It all felt very shady and scum-baggy but at the end of the day, most employers will always pay you as little as you let them."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." TakeMeToFatmandu (TakeMeToFatmandu): "As someone who has worked in recruitment and worked on some very high level roles, gaps in CVs don't matter as long as the person has the experience in the role, I will still look at someone who hasn't worked in a year if they have the relevant experience for the role. I will obviously ask why there is such a large gap but generally as long as it isn't something like being in prison for something which could make them a risk at the company I am recruiting for then I will still give them the time of day. Personality and experience matter more than gaps."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Slayer706 (Slayer706): "Tell them your total compensation is $X. That includes several things that won't be on your pay stubs, like 401k matching, medical premiums, bonuses, etc." 4GettableOne (4GettableOne): "A lot of the places want W2s because most of that info is there...."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Confucius say- Smooth seas do not make a skillful sailor."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You tried to bluff and weren't really ready to back it up. You got called on it."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." crystaljae (crystaljae): "Yeah, how are you bored and stressed? "Man there's nothing to do here today. Surfing Reddit is stressing me out" " Dopple_Deaner (Dopple_Deaner): "Lots of stressful jobs have lots of moving parts, where many of those parts may be boring but must be done on top of the other tasks."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "I'm bored, stressed, underpaid, overworked and constantly going away on business but the time off and the benefits are out of this world. If I typed them out for you, you would be flabbergasted. I have applied and interviewed for other jobs with 30% more pay, but I like only working 175 days a year. My time off is worth a lot more to me than what I make an hour. " dog_not_god (dog_not_god): "Go on then, gast my flabber.\n\nJust what are these "out of this world" benefits?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." pellpell4 (pellpell4): "Quick note on this: it's especially true if you're going to be looking into a mortgage any time soon. Don't just look at it as being hard to get hired...mortgage companies want exact details on how often and why you were unemployed."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." Rirere (Rirere): "A note that part of getting a qualified mortgage with more favorable rates involves you verifying two years of work history with a documented explanation for gaps in employment of or longer than thirty days. Your loan officer may well be giving you side eye if you don't have something. " pellpell4 (pellpell4): "Wow just read this after I posted my mortgage comment. Great minds."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I think in this situation you should just ask for a raise without mentioning being interested in another job. Tell them why you think you should be paid more and leave it at that. \n\nThen if they don't give you a raise it would be that much more satisfying leaving with them thinking it was because they didn't give you more money." erikb85 (erikb85): "Right, this is how you start. Talk about the raise first and if you have a serious offer mention it if the discussion doesn't progress." Self: "I'd say there's no need to mention a serious offer because there is a chance the current company does beat/match but they know your looking elsewhere and will be hiring a replacement. So then a few weeks go by and they can dump you without them losing too much.\n\nEither they give you the raise and you stay or they don't and you get a serious offer, now you can decide where you want to be. Leaves it all on you instead of employer. \n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." powermanphil (powermanphil): "Having blank time on your resume doesn't look bad, it's very, VERY common. As someone that hires a lot of highly compensated individuals, I see this all the time. \nSabbaticals, time to care for family, independent consulting ventures...there are so many good reasons that it's not even a factor anymore. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " radarksu (radarksu): "Wow, so tell me I'm crazy but I graduated college in 2005 with an engineering degree. I still work for the same company, 11 years single employer. I like my job, I make a decent wage, and I basically do what I want. \n\nCould I make more by "job hopping"?, yeah probably. But I also might be the 1st person to be laid off when the nest recession hits. \n\nI'll say this, in my 11 years I've seen many people leave my company only to come back. I only hope that they didn't get a significant raise for doing that move. I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money. " TacoExcellence (TacoExcellence): "You're holding yourself back in terms of money and probably experience, but hey if you're happy why change?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " radarksu (radarksu): "Wow, so tell me I'm crazy but I graduated college in 2005 with an engineering degree. I still work for the same company, 11 years single employer. I like my job, I make a decent wage, and I basically do what I want. \n\nCould I make more by "job hopping"?, yeah probably. But I also might be the 1st person to be laid off when the nest recession hits. \n\nI'll say this, in my 11 years I've seen many people leave my company only to come back. I only hope that they didn't get a significant raise for doing that move. I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money. " Sully800 (Sully800): "But if your boss believes you will never leave, why would he or she pay as much as someone of equal talent who is thinking about leaving for higher pay elsewhere?" pellpell4 (pellpell4): "In one word: experience. I have a similar situation to the above 11 year employee. I used to job hop almost every year, currently secured at my company and my boss takes care of me because I'm the only one that knows my job. If I left, he'd be left to do it and retrain someone. If you have a good company/good owner, they'll use the resources to keep you happy rather than hire outside help.\n\nIt's family owned so that certainly helps, but I'm not family. Just gotta find the right kind of company that takes care of their own."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " radarksu (radarksu): "Wow, so tell me I'm crazy but I graduated college in 2005 with an engineering degree. I still work for the same company, 11 years single employer. I like my job, I make a decent wage, and I basically do what I want. \n\nCould I make more by "job hopping"?, yeah probably. But I also might be the 1st person to be laid off when the nest recession hits. \n\nI'll say this, in my 11 years I've seen many people leave my company only to come back. I only hope that they didn't get a significant raise for doing that move. I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money. " Sully800 (Sully800): "But if your boss believes you will never leave, why would he or she pay as much as someone of equal talent who is thinking about leaving for higher pay elsewhere?" pellpell4 (pellpell4): "Sorry, just reread and I was a bit off topic in my last response. \n\nI understand your point, my only reservation is I don't believe you need to make your boss think you're going to leave, but rather keep a good relationship and be vocal about what you require to sustain your desired lifestyle. \n\nIt shouldn't be about getting more money than anybody, take care of your needs. The higher paid workers will be the first to be cut anyway."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Why would you ever do that right before christmas?\n\nAnyway, go to the new job, work there for 6 months, pop it on your resume, and find a new job again."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" bumblebritches57 (bumblebritches57): "Because he's scared. It's probably his first programming job."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Been there done that. Don't feel bad man. You're playing the game is all the matters."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You weren't dumb - as you said you were bored, mildly stressed and grossly underpaid. You took a chance, but ultimately what you need is a change of career. Seems like your current job will only take you so far. Better take the chance to start working on that change than to wait until all positions in your field have been replaced by indians."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" sizeablescars (sizeablescars): "People in hiring decided so and considering it's their job, they probably know better than you " bumblebritches57 (bumblebritches57): "That's horrible logic..." sizeablescars (sizeablescars): "It's bad logic to assume someone is better at their job than you would be?" bumblebritches57 (bumblebritches57): "It's the appeal to authority fallacy in action."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Sorry to hear this...but the normal advice has always been...when using a job offer to leverage a raise...it rarely works out as you have learned BUT...in your case I would say your job was going away any way. You made it easier on your employer as now you more or less "quit" and they have no worries about unemployment claims against them"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." rreiter01 (rreiter01): "Besides if they think you're good enough for the position at that price, why would they care what you were paid before?" Calamity_Jesus (Calamity_Jesus): "There is no MSRP, Kelly Blue Book, or True Car for HR. Salaries change constantly. How are companies supposed to know what people are generally paid for a specific type of work without direct access to actual current rates? Some companies under-pay out of pure ignorance of the going rate... fortunately for them, the employees are just as likely to be in the dark. \n\nThere's nothing confidential about pay. Your employers (and even your co-workers) have every right to shout your salary from the rooftop, and so do you. It's in HR's interest to make employees think that talking openly about salary numbers is a taboo." 4GettableOne (4GettableOne): "Actually worked at an awesome place until it was bought out.... The hourly guys pay was a set system, x years experience + these qualifications = this. And they had the same for salary the last 2 years I was there. So you pretty much knew what the others around you made. No issues, and very fair. Sadly though we were extremely profitable our parent companies were not, they sold us to a fortune 200 and they ran it into the ground so I left..." Calamity_Jesus (Calamity_Jesus): "I used to work in state government. My salary was public record. Experience and education allowed your salary to be bumped on an annual basis (so long as the budget could support it). Pay rates were all based on private industry adjusted for local cost of living. The only uncomfortableness came from the people I served being dreadfully underpaid as an industry (librarians) while I was in IT (which in my case, was overpaid). "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "My father did this when I was in high school and managed to secure a company car and a $30k/year raise. He was lucky enough to work for a local government that has more money than they know what to do with and they had a shitty experience with his predecessors. \n\nBottom line: be worth something to your employer, have a better job to fall back on, and have a good relationship with your current employer. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " radarksu (radarksu): "Wow, so tell me I'm crazy but I graduated college in 2005 with an engineering degree. I still work for the same company, 11 years single employer. I like my job, I make a decent wage, and I basically do what I want. \n\nCould I make more by "job hopping"?, yeah probably. But I also might be the 1st person to be laid off when the nest recession hits. \n\nI'll say this, in my 11 years I've seen many people leave my company only to come back. I only hope that they didn't get a significant raise for doing that move. I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money. " toasterchild (toasterchild): "I felt that way too until the recession hit my 10 year job and I was the first to go because they could lay me off and save the equivalent salaries of 2 new desperate people. You are always just a number in the end. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "LPT: you have to be somewhat genuinely interested in the other offer."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" TheStoryOfMankind (TheStoryOfMankind): "Tech is pretty notorious for having a really short tenure at jobs. You actually hurt your career by staying in a job too long here. It brings up questions about how easily you adapt to new technologies and keep informed about your field if you look like you were comfortably sitting in one position for 5+ years." Toast_Sapper (Toast_Sapper): "This.\n\nThis is what tech industry is like and long tenures definitely raise more questions in interviews than hopping jobs every few years." gl00pp (gl00pp): "IT Support Technician reporting in. Been 4 years at same place. Should I hop?" Diepolt17 (Diepolt17): "Yes"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" User (wheezyFpuppy): "Yeah I don't actually want to keep it - but the answer to my problems was not allowing someone else to force my hand and get into a situation that's probably worse. " Self: "You will inevitably find something worse, there's a reason they call it work,....But I've found my best satisfaction in life was finding a job where I feel I can make a difference. \n\nThis is something YOU need to find inside ypu.\n\nI'm an equipment engineer, after a variety of jobs I felt where wasting my life, I finally got this position. \n\nI hated my boss, my coworkers were knee biters, but the sense of accomplishment when I finished building the machine, and powered it up the first time made up for all of that.\n\nI can go to sleep at night knowing the machine i built was making products people need .\n\nI've talked to computer programmers (I work with hundreds of them), that feel the same way about programs they wrote.\n\nIn the end even though we are just cogs in the big wheel, and it's hard to see sometimes what our contribution means, everyone with a job is contributing to our economy.\n\nYOU have the responsibility as a member of our society to earn as much as you can.\n\nWhy? We are ALL as wealthy as our society is productive. \n\nIf you are a stocker, and feel you are underpaid too bad, a stocker is only worth a few dollars an hour. It is physically impossible to move fast enough to be worth 30 an hour, but if you find stocking patterns that make ALL the stockers more efficient you've increased the profitability of the store forever, and are worth much more to society as a stocking efficiency expert. You never would have seen the patterns if you hadn't worked as a stocker.\n\nYou need to find YOUR unique skills, and look through life for the best use of them. \n\nMoney will come.\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Now go tell the other company that your current company offered you a higher pay and see if it sticks."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "That seems a little too easy, replacing you with an offshore resource. My guess - they were planning to do it, maybe not so soon, and once you mentioned you had another offer they took the easy way out. No need to pay severance. \n\nDid you always have good reviews? Have they replaced any other jobs with offshore?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well you got this new job so you can probably get another. If not now, at least in a year or 2. Is there any way you can push out your last day long enough to get the bonus?" User (wheezyFpuppy): "Nah I have a friend in accounting who saw I got taken off the bonus list :(" domesticpig (domesticpig): "that's a hard lesson to learn but you always get the bonus in hand then talk new job, new pay. bonus season is also the bye-bye season."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." rreiter01 (rreiter01): "Besides if they think you're good enough for the position at that price, why would they care what you were paid before?" Calamity_Jesus (Calamity_Jesus): "There is no MSRP, Kelly Blue Book, or True Car for HR. Salaries change constantly. How are companies supposed to know what people are generally paid for a specific type of work without direct access to actual current rates? Some companies under-pay out of pure ignorance of the going rate... fortunately for them, the employees are just as likely to be in the dark. \n\nThere's nothing confidential about pay. Your employers (and even your co-workers) have every right to shout your salary from the rooftop, and so do you. It's in HR's interest to make employees think that talking openly about salary numbers is a taboo." NightGod (NightGod): "> How are companies supposed to know what people are generally paid for a specific type of work without direct access to actual current rates?\n\nThat information is REALLY easy to find online..."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I don't think this is a fuck up. You were miserable at a job that you found out they didn't want to invest in you at all. You also found a higher paying job and left before you boss found out he could outsource you. He probably would have realized that and axed you eventually. You left on your terms, and who knows, maybe this new job will be tougher but more fulfilling and you'll love the people you work with."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." dawgsjw (dawgsjw): "For the 'blank time' you could say you tried to pursue your own business and in the end it was just too stressful and is why you are looking for a regular steady job. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "5 stages of grief, the post."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Timing is everthuing....I worked at a company where a mediocre salesperson kept doing that and he kept getting raises...but the job market was hot....right now the job market is lackluster....but I give you kudos for trying and taking the risk....that's how you progress through life...start looking for another job"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" TheStoryOfMankind (TheStoryOfMankind): "Tech is pretty notorious for having a really short tenure at jobs. You actually hurt your career by staying in a job too long here. It brings up questions about how easily you adapt to new technologies and keep informed about your field if you look like you were comfortably sitting in one position for 5+ years." Toast_Sapper (Toast_Sapper): "This.\n\nThis is what tech industry is like and long tenures definitely raise more questions in interviews than hopping jobs every few years." throw-away-3456 (throw-away-3456): "I don't know... it's pretty simple: I was being paid well for what I was doing. 4.5 years in one position and almost 7 in the current. There's not a job on earth that could match my current salary to hard-stuff ratio outside of being independently wealthy. Lots of time to spin up on new stuff as well, but what I'm really interested in is automating arbitrages of various types and developing passive income streams and work my current job."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." throw-away-3456 (throw-away-3456): "> What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding?\n\nNo, I don't think you understand.\n\nSee, there's this company called ADP and they handle like 80% of monthly accounts payable for HR offices all over North America (and elsewhere). For just a little money, you can find out what someone was/is being paid. Not through ADP of course... that would be untoward, but there are plenty of data brokers who will sell you that info. based on ADP data."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The only time you should do this is if you're 100% certain your employer does not want to have to replace you. Most of the time your employer isn't going to bother because you've shown you're looking for a new job and it's easier for them to just find someone new instead of worrying about you leaving anyway in the future." BeeGravy (BeeGravy): "Depends on how much money or training they put into you as well, or what you've done above and beyond the scope of your job, like if you are able to get extra certifications in your job and you do, they might not want to lose a valuable employee, that they cannot easily and quickly replace. \n\nIf you're doing peasant work, or anything that doesn't require lots of training and experience, don't try to gun for a big raise, because they'll use it to get rid of you, especially if they're looking for a way to cut costs, and even worse if they were going to lay someone off anyways, because now they aren't on the hook for any sort of unemployment benefits. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "If he thinks they will get the same value and quality of work from an outsourcing company, you made the right choice, unfortunately\n\nThe reason companies outsource is for price. You just learned that you are valuable on the open market.."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Thanks for sharing. Lesson learned - just because you get an offer doesn't mean you have to use it. You're so right about changing jobs being scary. I was offered a 20% raise to leave too, and even with the new job being better, I was so sad about the possibility of leaving. Eventually, I decided not to leave because I enjoy the people I work with, and could use a longer amount of experience at a single company. Also, the company showed how much they value me as an asset to the team, both personally and professionally, which made me feel happy to be working with them. Lucky for me, my company matched with a counter offer twice and I ended up with a 30% raise to stay. But for a while there, I was very stressed at the idea of changing jobs. That said, I think new experiences make us better, and even if you're a little more limited at the new job, you can find another if you really don't enjoy it, and you can do it while making more money. You've got a good thing in your hands. Go for it."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." jstef (jstef): "Government jobs use pay stubs from previous employers as part of their salary negotiations." SerJorahTheExplorah (SerJorahTheExplorah): "Government jobs that have non-negotiable pay scales?" throw-away-3456 (throw-away-3456): "There are various junctures during which USA GS positions are "negotiable". Initial hire is one of them (but generally speaking their are guidelines that dictate what pay grade will be offered). Also, if they have a need somewhere you don't want to go, that becomes negotiable. Or, if you want to go somewhere specific, they may negotiate the pay grade down. I've seen it happen first hand."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ya know some stuff I've been told for over a decade now? \n\n- Negotiate down, not up\n- Present the raise in a compelling argument of your value \n\nAll that fun stuff.\n\nYou know what I wasn't told? \n\n- Realize that they may WANT you to leave\n\nOP is a prime example of this. He already stated that his heart hasn't been into the job. For all we know, he may have been a great employee that clearly is needed, but is replaceable, and his boss couldn't find a reason to get rid of him. Well, now he does. And now OP is hurt. And now real life kicks in.\n\nI'd just hope folks read what OP typed and not try to find fault (as folks clearly did) but instead realize there's always two sides to a story, and that boss probably went home like "WE'RE FINALLY GETTING RID OF OP!!!!"\n\nShoot, if I told my boss on Monday that I found a better job, she'd congratulate me and tell me she'd allow me to use her as a reference in life. Nothing against me, but my company doesn't play that game...IF YOU'VE ALREADY LOOKED FOR A NEW JOB, YOUR HEART AIN'T IN IT! "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I feel for you OP. I really do. It sucks trying to get a raise from an offer. My last employer only gave out raises if you went and got an offer. It was extremely irritating. While I loved my boss (best one in my opinion so far!) that wasn't enough to keep me satisfied as the work got boring, had less of it, and the people I was surrounded by didn't seem to want to be successful anymore besides a few. \n\nTo anyone here that needs the info you need to be certain that the company needs you, and you've got a boss that has your back. Only then will counter offers work in your favor. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" Schnort (Schnort): "I think that's incorrect to say "no one gives a shit".\n\nIt's definitely been a factor at the companies I've worked for when we're looking for new talent, but I do R&D in an ASIC company. There's a lot of institutional knowledge that needs to happen before you're productive.\n\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I recently had a similar situation with job offers and here is my advice on how to play the situation. I was offered a new job that would amount to about a 35-40% raise on a Friday. The following Monday I met with my manager at my current role, and told him that I received an offer I couldn't refuse, and would be putting my two weeks notice in at the end of the week. The purpose of this was not to leverage more money, but because I had a good relationship with my manager I didn't want to blindside him and it would give the company more time to transition my work. On Tuesday morning my boss called me and asked if I would consider staying if they matched the offer, and I said yes I would consider. After not hearing anything the rest of the day, I called to verbally accept the other offer - I couldn't afford to have them pull the offer due to my delayed response. Wednesday late afternoon my company offered me a 25% raise, and I ended up accepting that offer, then 100% burning a bridge at the other company when rescinding my acceptance. Ultimately, the lifestyle changes and work life balance were worth leaving money on the table. Ultimately I treated my company with respect and they returned the favor without any of the relationship damage leveraging financial figures can create. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away\n\nYeah.. that is pretty much common sense." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yupppp. I was stupid and grossly overestimated my worth to current place. " PrancingPeach (PrancingPeach): "I know you don't want to hear this, but that's why you were underpaid to begin with: you weren't worth that much to them.\n\nMaybe it's a bit counter-intuitive, but companies are much more likely to make counter-offers to employees who are already very highly paid than to employees who are grossly underpaid." mc_md (mc_md): ""Grossly underpaid"\n\n"You weren't worth that much to them"\n\nI don't think we agree on the definition of underpaid. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" barto5 (barto5): "I don't think anyone said it makes a shitty candidate.\n\nJust know that it will be an issue in interviews and be prepared to spell out your million reasons. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Best of luck to you in your new position. It could work out really well for you, so try to keep your mind open to that and don't let buyer's remorse get the best of you. If your employer was that fast to let you walk out the door, be glad you're going on your terms, not theirs. I did nearly the same thing many years ago, and landed in a great career. Yes, I have a longer commute, but I can afford to do things like spend the night in a hotel when I travel, which I couldn't afford on my old salary (not even a cheap, scary hotel). If I had stayed I'd still be living hand to mouth. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " BeforeYouLeave (BeforeYouLeave): "Boy I wish they were true. The gap is hard to explain. I don't think many employers want to hear that you've spent last six months traveling or relaxing. The want to hear that you were working. \n\nI've realized that future employers don't want to hear the truth. Even if they know that you are lying. It's a game and they really want to know if you can play your part. \n\nI know I'm being cynical. Yeah yeah. \n\nSo many clowns,not enough circuses. " FFF_in_WY (FFF_in_WY): "Depends on the job and the interviewer."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" TragicLeBronson (TragicLeBronson): "There's a club for those people. They meet at the bar"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" OnlyReadsLiterally (OnlyReadsLiterally): "Because that describes almost every job?" SolomonGrumpy (SolomonGrumpy): "Bored OR stressed. Not both. Usually." two_face (two_face): "I've been bored and stressed at the same time before. Bored because there wasn't much work to do. Stressed because that was making it look like I was slacking off. It's tough to look busy doing nothing."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." rreiter01 (rreiter01): "Besides if they think you're good enough for the position at that price, why would they care what you were paid before?" Calamity_Jesus (Calamity_Jesus): "There is no MSRP, Kelly Blue Book, or True Car for HR. Salaries change constantly. How are companies supposed to know what people are generally paid for a specific type of work without direct access to actual current rates? Some companies under-pay out of pure ignorance of the going rate... fortunately for them, the employees are just as likely to be in the dark. \n\nThere's nothing confidential about pay. Your employers (and even your co-workers) have every right to shout your salary from the rooftop, and so do you. It's in HR's interest to make employees think that talking openly about salary numbers is a taboo." M_Trois (M_Trois): "Well, there are salary surveys which are exactly that. To address the constant change, they are released annually with many having quarterly updates to address hot skills that may be moving quickly. \n\nAs far as pay being confidential, I see both sides of the argument. Unless you plan to pay everyone in the same jobs the same rate, you open yourself up to conversations about performance among you and your peers that aren't fun to have (and usually not handled well by managers)."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The whole point of using another offer as leverage is that it gives you leverage in the form of being able to negotiate because you have another option. This wasn't a calculated move that blew up in your face, this is gambling it all on a pair of 3s and being surprised when you lose... the fuck were you thinking using something you didn't value as leverage?\n"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You say your job is being outsourced to India. A bit irrelevant but just curious, are you in IT? "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "This is half unsolicited advice for you and half general advice for everyone.\n\nIf people like you, they will be more than willing to be on the same page with you. Once there, then put forth the effort to check to make sure they are doing what you want and you are doing what they want.\n\nRemember in the human system that we are expected to have working and competent emotional intelligence and logical intelligence. Also helps if you follow everything in How to Win Friends & Influence People.\n\nThat job wasn't for you anyway, but it's unfortunate you weren't fully willing to leave on all ends at least so soon. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." waffle_ss (waffle_ss): "I disagree vehemently in relation to my industry (programming). I took a few months off after a job, learned a new programming language and stack, and got a job where I was much happier and much better paid. One of the better decisions I made.\n\nWhen you're programming full-time, you often don't have the mental energy after a day of drudgery to put in a lot of effort to learning something really new to you enough to make a lot of headway. A short sabbatical can be just the ticket.\n\nAnd to your point, employers in this industry don't give a flip about gaps in a resume. They care about what skills you have now, and how well you're going to keep up-to-date with industry so that their software will also keep up-to-date (which requires a commitment to continual learning)." TorqueBuilder (TorqueBuilder): "Confirmed. After holding my first job in IT for five years I recognized it was time to move on and resigned without another job lined up. I was accurately confident finding another job would be easy given the demand for my skills and experience.\n\nI took 4 months to travel, decompress and learn new professional skills. During the interview for my next and current job, when the question of the work gap inevitably came up I pointed to the skills I'd learned in the interim and we moved on to the next question without pause."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" timmythedip (timmythedip): "It matters not one jot that it's absurd, if employers act like it's true then it's worth taking into account."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You should probably have a good gauge on your status with the company. In May a similar thing happened to me, I took the job and put in my two weeks. My boss told me to give her the weekend to counter. Monday was a long awkward day and she finally have me her counter which was about a 20% raise. \nThat was the first time I totally made it to "Step 3: Profit.""
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "LPT: Only use the leverage in win/win situation, when you can accept the deal no matter the outcome. If it isn't win/win then it's a gamble, not leverage."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." squid_actually (squid_actually): "Depending on the length of the gap. It may be better to leave it blank than put a short stint at a job, especially if you left them unhappy."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I manage a small group of ten. I think each one is a good person and valuable to the company. If they told me they got a new job, I'd congratulate them and wish them the best. No counter offer.\n\nWhy? I assume they're smart enough to choose what's best for them."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" squid_actually (squid_actually): "At anywhere but the most cutthroat businesses they aren't automatically disqualified for that. But if they are against an otherwise equal candidate, the gap is going to hurt their chances 9/10."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " tonguepunch (tonguepunch): "There is one MAJOR caveat to this: retirement savings. Job hopping can lead to lags in setting up, match, and vesting of retirement accounts, if you're company has them. If you do get in, you miss matches if they don't do so immediately or it leaves you with multiple accounts/fees (or always rolling them over to the new employer). \n\nThe match is salary you're not always accounting for, too. \n\nSo, if you do bounce, at least ensure you're saving in IRAs and any other retirement options you can. You're still likely missing out on match or vesting, but at least it's something. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Never try to leverage a raise, just take the new job."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " BeforeYouLeave (BeforeYouLeave): "Boy I wish they were true. The gap is hard to explain. I don't think many employers want to hear that you've spent last six months traveling or relaxing. The want to hear that you were working. \n\nI've realized that future employers don't want to hear the truth. Even if they know that you are lying. It's a game and they really want to know if you can play your part. \n\nI know I'm being cynical. Yeah yeah. \n\nSo many clowns,not enough circuses. " squid_actually (squid_actually): "How long is the gap and how have you tried explaining? Also what industry? There is no one size answer about gaps given all the variables."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Yea, you should only try this move if you're a valuable asset to your company."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Leaving your job is one of the best things you can do to your career, especially if you think you're undervalued. It may not seem like it now, but this will be a long term win. You'll get more experience, more money, more confidence in what you bring to the table. And who knows? Sometimes hard work can be very rewarding and pass the time quickly?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You can always tell them the other offer fell through. \n\nAt minimum you've learned that your current job does not appreciate you and will not fight to keep you. It's a sign that you need to move on, but not necessarily to the place that you just found."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." neandersthall (neandersthall): "Horse shit. Nobody cares about a blank time on your resume. I think it's great as long as it weren't in jail or a mental hospital. I took a whole year off to travel once then 6 months another time. Seriously prefer gaps in my employment as it means I am enjoying my life. " the3represents (the3represents): "Yeah, I agree--I don't know why people say a gap is so bad--unless your resume is comprised of many, many gaps. I've been part of the hiring decision a few times, and nobody cared if someone had a gap in between employment."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." norcalguy747 (norcalguy747): "Take the new job. Pour all of your effort into it. Give it six monthe and then if you hate it, look for a new job. \n\nHaving income trumps not having incone AND makes your application / resume stronger"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "LPT: you're not underpaid if the company can replace you with a cheaper option. if anything you're overpaid but you're just not satisfied with your pay. that's 2 different things.\n\nknow your value to the company before asking for a raise." isamura (isamura): "And this is how trump was elected..."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Could you elaborate on why you feel you are underpaid? Are there similarly skilled jobs around that pay more? Are your coworkers getting paid more than you? \n\nAnother interesting question...what do you do and what do you get paid?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "> this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees\n\nWhat do you mean? Are you implying you think they did something negative?" rawr__ (rawr__): "Boss does not value their employees, that's a horrible boss to work for. " Self: "Did you mean to say overvalue?"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " black-house-red-door (black-house-red-door): "This strategy has worked pretty well for me. However, I'd also caution to be mindful of not appearing to be a "job hopper." There's a delicate balance to be found between knowing when it's time to move on to greener pastures and giving the appearance to potential employers that you aren't interested in sticking with them for very long. This sort of thing probably varies a lot based on industry, but I've had to explain more than a couple of times during interviews why I only stayed at my last two positions for ~1.5-2 years each, even though my industry (advertising) is notorious for high turnover and switching agencies pretty regularly. " bizurkhate (bizurkhate): "Sorry but damn I hate when people say this. I've had dozens of jobs. Tech field. No one gives a shit. Now I run my department.\n\nAnd when I get bored or stop learning things, bye.\n\nEdit: this opinion of mine is just my opinion, from my experiences. It's not the word of jesus. Just giving you people another side. <3" TheStoryOfMankind (TheStoryOfMankind): "Tech is pretty notorious for having a really short tenure at jobs. You actually hurt your career by staying in a job too long here. It brings up questions about how easily you adapt to new technologies and keep informed about your field if you look like you were comfortably sitting in one position for 5+ years." pneuma8828 (pneuma8828): "Depends on what you do. Developers, perhaps. Infrastructure engineers, not so much. Those senior Web Logic admins and Oracle DBAs all know the salaries they can command, and seek quality of life in their positions. They are looking for the employer that will leave them alone to do their jobs and pay them through the nose for it. When you find one that fits you, sticking around is pretty common. I'm the junior member in our department and I've been there nine years."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away\n\nYeah.. that is pretty much common sense." User (wheezyFpuppy): "yupppp. I was stupid and grossly overestimated my worth to current place. " redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "It's not just about your worth. You basically told them you want to leave unless they pay you more. As an employer, I would do the same thing. Haven't had it happen because I think my directs know how I think about it. I will support you if you want to leave. If you want a raise, ask. Don't bring me a job offer and tell me you're leaving if I don't match. That tells me you want to leave, so why would I pay you more to stay?" panfist (panfist): "Doesn't it tell you that they want more money? "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." Rirere (Rirere): "I work at a Fortune 100 firm and I had to turn in pay stubs, such as they were. My salary also showed up in my background check. " 4GettableOne (4GettableOne): "Had a pretty serious set of interviews at large company, got to salary negotiations, and afterwards they wanted a copy of my W-2. I wrote them back and told them that as they weren't yet my employer there was nothing obligating them to protect that information, and I may one day need a job so bad I will provide that info, but today wasn't that day, thanks but no thanks.\n\nEnded up in a much better job with none of that BS..." Rirere (Rirere): "I did not have to provide W-2s.\n\nIn any event though, the point is only that it happens sometimes, and not just at small "shitty compan(ies)"."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." dontwanttopayforwifi (dontwanttopayforwifi): "Pay stubs just don't seem like a 100% secure way to prove salary. \n\nCouldn't a 'bad' person just pay themselves their desired monthly salary and use a similarly named company and create a pay stub out of that?" Rirere (Rirere): "Particularly if you are trying to leverage experience at a large firm that uses a payroll vendor, this may be harder than you'd think. \n\nMore pertinently though, this is the point of background checks and the firm that handled mine dug up my old salaries via third party reporting. " dontwanttopayforwifi (dontwanttopayforwifi): "I'm trying to understand. Are you saying that if you're trying to say that:\n\n"I've had 10 years experience with BIG FIRM" would be difficult to prove because the big firm usually uses a payroll vendor that can be accessed by the company interviewing you?\n\nThird party reporting is an interesting subject. Who's the third party that reported your salary? Boss, Payroll vendor, your actual company? Also, what's in it for them for reporting it?" ScrewedThePooch (ScrewedThePooch): "> Who's the third party that reported your salary?\n\nMany employers report your current salary to [The Work Number](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_Number). When you give your new prospective employer permission to do a background check when hiring you, they may use this to look up your previous salary.\n\nThe Work Number is owned by Equifax and is considered a consumer credit report under the Fair Credit Reporting Act, so you may request access to your info on there to see what future employers may discover."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "1. You were going to be laid off from shitty job sooner rather than later. The shittiness of your job was more than likely by design. Shitty work conditions are a great way to decrease your labor force by attrition and save the company money: no unemployment, severance, etc. \n\n2. Imagine for a moment that you had gotten the raise. Now you've got better pay but still have the shitty job and all of its shittiness. That wasn't going to change and a year from now you would have been looking anyway and would have spent your raise self-medicating to deal with the shittiness.\n\nYou'll be better off wherever you're going."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" FreeRadical5 (FreeRadical5): "Who do you think you are taking time off from your corporate rulers? We don't tolerate that kind of mindset around here. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I may not have a lot of experience but I believe you made the correct choice."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Well buddy, in hindsight I hope you realize this is a no brainer.\n\nIf you're gonna call your employer's bluff on your pay, you can't be bluffing too. It's a game, but it's not a game for you. Leveraging a job offer you're unwilling to take is... Well it lacks foresight."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." cos (cos): "Very much disagree. I guess it depends on your field and what type of job you're looking for? I'm not sure; what I know is that I don't expect the resumes I see to have a complete and continuous job history, and my last resume for the job I now have did not include a complete and continuous job history. Just some highlights. There's no way to tell the difference between time spent without a job, vs. jobs omitted from the list on the resume, and nobody cares in my experience."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "If you bored unhappy whatever +15% isn't going to make the difference "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "You're bored, stressed, and under paid, tell me again why you want to keep this job???" CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "I'm bored, stressed, underpaid, overworked and constantly going away on business but the time off and the benefits are out of this world. If I typed them out for you, you would be flabbergasted. I have applied and interviewed for other jobs with 30% more pay, but I like only working 175 days a year. My time off is worth a lot more to me than what I make an hour. " ShinyTile (ShinyTile): "In that case, it sounds like you've got an almost reverse opportunity cost thing going on. Sounds good to me! " CerwinVegas55 (CerwinVegas55): "It sounds good to a lot of people I talk to. But the job feels like torture. I always joke to the new guys that they don't pay you to work there, they pay you to stay. And it's true. I have looked around and I choose to stay. It's just extremely taxing. I could have nicer cars and a bigger house and probably have a lake cottage and a boat and all the toys I want, but then I'd never have time to enjoy them. I love this sub and almost all of it's advice, but I am of the opinion that if you can live comfortably and can provide for your family and have fun doing it, then you might not need or even want a raise/promotion. Mo money mo problems. " haltingpoint (haltingpoint): "What do you do? I'm also somewhere that spoils employees rotten and pays well. Not overworked and the few things I can gripe about are just growing pains that aren't worth switching over. Yet I still find myself tiring of it and wanting something new. I don't know what's wrong with me." nhocks (nhocks): "I want to say he/she is in mining. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: ">I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits.\n\nIf those Indians can do your job for half the price, I'd say it sounds like you're grossly overpaid OP."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " markman1231 (markman1231): "You could always just keep interviewing once you're hired. Or if you have money saved up, just quit and work on personal projects while you continue looking. Don't list the new job on your resume/linked in, and when you go to interview, say you're unemployed and working on personal projects at the moment." NABDad (NABDad): "I would never recommend quitting without another job lined up, even if you have enough savings. The blank time on your resume just looks bad unless you have one hell of a good explanation. A short time at a job is easier to explain as long as it doesn't appear to be part of a pattern." QuietLotus (QuietLotus): "I did this recently. I don't recommend it unless it's the only way. I explained in interviews that my company was going under so after laying off 1/2 my team I just quit to take some time off, relax and look for a new job (truth) and that served me well enough in interviews. It probably would not have been ok if I had done it a lot or had many gaps but as long as it doesn't appear to be a pattern it's not the end of the world. But no paychecks gets stressful quickly, so not recommended." gl00pp (gl00pp): "Why is a candidate shitty if he, in say the span of 10 years, has GASP 6-18 months without GASP working?!\n\nIt's absurd. There are a million reasons.\n\n" sizeablescars (sizeablescars): "People in hiring decided so and considering it's their job, they probably know better than you " Nixxuz (Nixxuz): "People in HR are generally good at making statement about how needed they are, as opposed to actually doing anything."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I guess that's the thing about leverage of pretty much any kind. You don't present it if you're not willing to use it.\n\nGood lesson, and thanks for sharing your experience so others can learn from it!"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Did the same thing two years ago. Didn't even get a counter offer, and I said I was willing to leave money on the table. This is less a lesson about caution when trying to leverage pay, rather, a lesson to never be loyal to a company. I was the youngest revenue manager in the company, my clients absolutely loved me, and my numbers were top 3 in the organization...all this and at the end of the day I was just another number, disposable. Always be with the organizations that value you and are willing to pay top dollar for your skills"
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "There are Fortune 500 companies that do this, actually. I've worked at 2 of them. Both claimed it is Policy and can't make an offer until they have it. The first time it happened, I called their bluff. It wasn't a bluff." verik (verik): "Most consider it part of the background check that when you sign consent for them to run your background you also consent for them to verify your previous employment and income. " whatiwishicouldsay (whatiwishicouldsay): "Yep the pay stub tells you a lot about the previous position."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Change is scary. Obviously they didn't value you very much at your old job. Time to move on. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." yes_its_him (yes_its_him): "From what I've seen, I think you're mischaracterizing how "leverage" is used here. It's more typically the case that it's used to help someone know what they are worth in the market. \n\nAdvice here is more typically to find a new job to get a raise, or to at least get a new offer as a guide to asking for a raise. It's rare to see advice here say to get an offer, then go to your current job and say you have another offer, as OP did. It's far more common to see the opposite advice, in my experience, which is: don't mention other offers. " Self: "If used correctly... yes, you are correct. But in fairness, anytime a job topic comes up here someone invariably brings up the leverage thing as a way of getting a raise at their current job. Infact, OP posting this topic kinda shows they read and took that advice.\n\nReally I'm just telling people to be cautious and understand what you're doing. If it were just as simple as walking into your bosses office and telling him you have another job offer, and expecting him to throw you a blank check, you'll be sadly disappointed and I wish it wasn't such a "go to" reply to employment threads." User (wheezyFpuppy): "If you sort this sub by top all time - literally the third post is someone explaining how they went from 58k to 85k.... by getting another job offer - you're right that it totally comes up here ALOT. " SugarPixel (SugarPixel): "Those posts are pure wish fulfilment fodder. Sure, it happens, but places are less likely to counter you these days, especially since this tactic became a trend of sorts." ARusskaya (ARusskaya): "It is also strategically a poor move on the employers part from my experience. If an employee is looking for other employment, the pay usually isn't the only issue. By countering, the employer is just delaying the inevitable. The employee will leave eventually. \n\nTo anyone who likes their job and wants to make more, here's my advice. Talk with your boss and come prepared with the old cliche list of accomplishments and market salary reports for your position. Always compare to your benefits, including time off to determine total comp to make a fair comparison. \n\nIf you want to increase your salary quickly, seek employment with a new employer. Unless you have a great boss who is invested in your career development. \n" SugarPixel (SugarPixel): "100%. People seem to forget that there is more to a job than just compensation. I recently got another job offer and my current workplace asked if I'd entertain a counter. I said no. I wouldn't be putting in my notice if my mind hadn't already been made. More money isn't going to change my mind about the environment, my coworkers, the actual work, etc etc."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "I'm going to offer an alternative viewpoint to yours and suggest that you didn't go wrong by leaving your current job. If your current employer could outsource, they were probably going to look to do that soon, and they definitely weren't going to be offering you a raise in the foreseeable future. Maybe the hours weren't bad and you had some flexibility, but that wasn't going to improve if they had other options on the table as well.\n\nMy advice: take a deep breath, work with what you have ahead of you, and understand that your first instinct was for a raise, even if the unintended consequences bring a bit of regret. As others have said, you might find an even better offer down the road. Don't get discouraged. This was the first necessary step to better employment."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " ttoilleynnek (ttoilleynnek): "Seconding this. Moving jobs generally moves you up in pay much quicker than yearly raises will. When the new guys ask what the old guys are paying, always tell them a little more than what you're actually making. This is on the honor system and can not actually be verified." Amairch (Amairch): "That's bad advice. It's better to say "my current employer considers that information confidential but I'm looking for at least x" where x is a number or range of what you would accept for a job. Getting caught in a lie could get your offer pulled, and also what you were making before is none of their business. Just because they ask the question doesn't mean you need to answer it. " awall222 (awall222): "I've heard of places that check pay stubs and catch people doing this, even for six-figure salaries." Babycarrot_hammock (Babycarrot_hammock): "What shitty company makes you turn-in pay stubs before onboarding? It's not as if previous pay is remotely relevant, either." redditaccountftw (redditaccountftw): "There are Fortune 500 companies that do this, actually. I've worked at 2 of them. Both claimed it is Policy and can't make an offer until they have it. The first time it happened, I called their bluff. It wasn't a bluff." Spenny120 (Spenny120): "I left my job at a Fortune 500 for 9 months to try doing something new for a smaller company. I absolutely hated it so I found a better job at my old company, but they did ask for every paystub or at least a bank statement to verify my salary during the gap." contrabandwidth (contrabandwidth): "Had trouble with the lack of organization?" Spenny120 (Spenny120): "It just wasn't a good fit, there are a lot of perks to working for a large organization that I naively thought I could get anywhere."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " User (wheezyFpuppy): "Thanks - going to try and make the best of it. Even if I dislike it as much as I expect, it will at least be a solid learning experience and resume builder. " Graie (Graie): "Remember alot of what you get out of anything is dependant on what you put into it, going into something expecting you'll hate what you're doing often has the outcome of ... Hating what you're doing!\n\nFind the positives in the new opportunity and focus on those, better pay, new atmosphere so on ... As someone who recently left a high stress low traffic sales position to take a higher stress/traffic position which comes with more payment opportunities, I found it was what I made of it.\n\nHead up, work hard and smart."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "> TL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\nIMO it's pointless to try and use an offer as leverage. Even if they meet your 'demands' you've signaled to them you are ready and willing to jump ship and they will likely lay you off within 6 months, IE they will keep you however long they feel it takes to onboard and train your replacement, but not longer. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "The "leverage" thing is something I see on this sub a lot and honestly I doubt most of those saying it have ever been in that position.\n\nThe truth of it is, they won't counter unless they see you as one of their seriously top people. Bottom line. For most managers, you're just a cog in the wheel. They got by before you and they'll get by after. You need to be in a position where losing you will really be a difficult situation for them. \n\nThis is especially important for jobs which are not highly skilled jobs. They can replace you literally today.\n\nPeople see things in black and white but here, it's not so simple. While leverage works for some people, don't bank on it. I'd say the odds are against you. I see people on here often saying the opposite and I think it's irresponsible.\n\nIf you are using an offer as leverage. You MUST be prepared to walk away. Do not make up some leverage and do not use leverage if you don't actually feel you're happy to walk away and into a better position. Sorry OP, don't mean to rag on you, it's more on the people on this sub who give this advice.\n\nOne last thing has to be mentioned too. Even if you're lucky enough to get a counter offer and it's acceptable to you... it's still sort of a black mark on you for a while for most managers, and it gets worse if word get's around. Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty for a while so if you get the raise, they expect you to earn it going forward. It'll wear off eventually once you've proved you're not the sort to pull this for no reason. They want to see that you are infact committed and dedicated to your current position and you were only thinking of accepting the other offer because it was justso much better financially, it wouldn't make sense to turn down... otherwise you'd never dream of leaving your current position.\n\nSince word easily gets around a workplace, co-workers can be somewhat resentful of it too because if you get a raise, it's at their expense. There's only so much money for bonuses and raises in any company and if it goes to the other guy, you won't be happy. They'll also question, like the manager, how much they can rely on you if it's some sort of project setup where they feel you might just up and leave any time leaving the burden on the workload on them to meet deadlines.\n\nThink about what you're doing and make sure you're doing the right thing." hotwingbias (hotwingbias): "> They can replace you literally today.\n\n> Managers will somewhat question your commitment and loyalty\n\nI agree with your post that using leverage (especially if it's fake--no!) is usually not in the best interest for all the reasons you stated. However, I would like to point out the shitty double standard that exists. Most of us know full-well that some managers/bosses do not care about us at all and could replace us tomorrow. How exactly is that type of relationship supposed to build any loyalty at all? If I know my boss doesn't care if I stay or go, then I will have zero loyalty, if not outright disdain for him/her. The best bosses I've had did not feel this way, and when I have managed people myself I have tried my best to make them feel valued and worthwhile. "
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "How can you be bored, stressed AND underpaid? I don't understand."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "FYI - They don't pay unemployment if you're in the US. That's an insurance that is paid into that doesn't cost them a dime because they had already paid into this benefit for you."
User (wheezyFpuppy): "A cautionary tale for all those who read that getting a new offer is a good way of leveraging a raise at your current job - if you do this be prepared that you may have to walk away. \n\nI have been bored, mildly stressed, and grossly underpaid at my current job. I had been looking around at other jobs and submitting resumes, and recently was asked to interview at a position that paid 15-20% more than I currently make. As I went along the interview process I realized this new job would be more hours, less flexibility, and more stress. I figured worst case scenario they would make me an offer, I could use it at my (then) upcoming employee review to try and get a raise.\n\nWelp, I went into my review and told them of the offer, and they didn't attempt to counter. Boss basically said 'okay, when is your last day going to be?'. Now I am suffering from job buyers remorse, and don't think the extra money from the new job will be worth everything else that goes along with it. \n\nAlso totally screwed myself out of a hefty bonus. Maybe I should x-post to TIFU.\n\n\n\n\n\nEdit: obligatory 'this got way more attention than I thought it would.' I just want to add some context. \n\nOne - I did not go to my employer demanding a raise 'BECAUSE OFFER' like many assume, I was very brief in my original post and the actual conversation was far more civil than I implied, and a lot of the acceptance regret came after I agreed that leaving was best. (Change is terrifying amirite?)\n\nTwo - I am getting replaced by a outsourcing company in India which will cost my employer probably half of what they currently pay me in salary and other benefits. My boss ultimately looked at their bottom line and realized they had an opportunity to get someone to do my job at half the cost of my salary and benefits, without having to lay me off and pay unemployment. The more I think about this the more I realize this is exactly why I wanted to leave because its indicative of how they view their employees, I was just reallyyyyy dumb in how I went about it and jumped the gun. \n\nTL/DR Summary - Don't give your notice and reference a new job offer unless you're 100% willing to take new job. Duhhhhh.\n\n\nTHIRD EDIT: I want to add that I have never not been a model and hardworking employee, and had a good relationship with my boss. I am an international account coordinator, part of my job is sales and another part is coordinating projects around the globe to ensure my clients get what they want when they want it. I was naive and thought that this was un-outsourceable. (In hindsight, the signs were there. Other people who left were never replaced, or new projects were sent to 3rd party companies etc...) I thought I was that employee that would be indispensable, but I failed to consider how 'penny wise pound foolish' my employer could be, and that they ultimately would always put their bottom line ahead of relationships. Again this is a legitimate reason to leave a business as well as a good thing for me to get out ahead of it. I just should have not jumped on the opportunity with a new offer I wasn't sure about.\n\n" Self: "Ive been through this one. If you are unhappy just move on. Dont sit around there. The 20% more that you will make will help you make the 20% more the next time around. You will learn more and experience more by moving on. Have lots of jobs, get lots of experience and you will be a more well rounded person because of it. " radarksu (radarksu): "Wow, so tell me I'm crazy but I graduated college in 2005 with an engineering degree. I still work for the same company, 11 years single employer. I like my job, I make a decent wage, and I basically do what I want. \n\nCould I make more by "job hopping"?, yeah probably. But I also might be the 1st person to be laid off when the nest recession hits. \n\nI'll say this, in my 11 years I've seen many people leave my company only to come back. I only hope that they didn't get a significant raise for doing that move. I trust my boss isn't witholding my raise/wage in order to give someone who once left more money. " NewSpaghettiMonster (NewSpaghettiMonster): "If you like being comfortable in a familiar job that you enjoy, there's nothing wrong with that.\n\nHowever, don't for a moment assume that your loyalty to the company will translate to company's loyalty to you. \n\nIn a big enough company, you're just a number in the end. Basically, the security of your position in lean times depends on how much you're underpaid (compared to your skills and value you bring). If you're performing well and being paid below market average, your position is relatively secure. If you're being paid well... your position is much more tenuous. "

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