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So , there 's there 's ICSI , Xerox ,
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and
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And there 's You should l look under , like , intelligent environments ,
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And Xerox. Yeah.
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smart rooms ,
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Um , the " Georgia Tech Classroom Two Thousand " is a good one.
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CMU ,
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Right. And then Right. J There 's th That 's where I thought you would want to eventually be able to have a board or a camera ,
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Mm - hmm.
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because of all these classroom
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Well , Georgia Tech did a very elaborate instrumented room.
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Mm - hmm.
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Yeah.
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And I want to try to stay away from that. So
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OK. Great. That solves that problem. One less action item. Um OK. I think that 's good enou that 's that 's pretty much all I can think of.
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Can I ask , uh , one thing ? It relates to data data collection and I and I 'd and we mentioned earlier today , this question of um , so , um , I s I know that from with the near - field mikes some of the problems that come with overlapping speech , uh , are lessened. But I wonder if Uh , is that sufficient or should we consider maybe getting some data gathered in such a way that , um , u w we would c uh , p have a meeting with less overlap than would otherwise be the case ? So either by rules of participation , or whatever.
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Oh , yeah.
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Now , I mean , you know , it 's true , I mean , we were discussing this earlier , that depending on the task so if you 've got someone giving a report you 're not gonna have as much overlap.
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Adam !
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But , um , i i uh , so we 're gonna have s you know , non - overlapping samples anyway. But , um , in a meeting which would otherwise be highly overlapping , is the near - field mike enough or should we have some rules of participation for some of our samples to lessen the overlap ?
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Hmm.
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I don't think we should have rules of participation , but I think we should try to get a variety of meetings. That 's something that if we get the the meeting stuff going at UW , that I probably can do more than you guys ,
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OK.
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cuz you guys are probably mostly going to get ICSI people here. But we can get anybody in EE , uh , over
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Mm - hmm.
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and and possibly also some CS people , uh , over at UW. So , I think that that there 's a good chance we could get more variety.
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OK. Just want to be sure there 's enough data to
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Um ,
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They 're still gonna overlap ,
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OK , good.
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but Mark and others have said that there 's quite a lot of found data from the discourse community that has this characteristic and also the political Y you know , anything that was televised for a third party has the characteristic of not very much overlap.
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Mm - hmm.
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Mm - hmm.
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Wasn - but w I think we were saying before also that the natural language group here had less overlap.
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Mm - hmm.
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So.
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So it also depends on the style of the group of people.
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Right.
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Like the , um , dominance relations of the people in the meeting.
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Mm - hmm. On the task , and the task.
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Mm - hmm.
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It 's just I just wanted to uh ,
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Yeah.
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because you know , it is true people can modify the amount of overlap that they do if if they 're asked to.
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Yeah.
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Not not entirely modify it , but lessen it if if it 's desired. But if if that 's sufficient data I just wanted to be sure that we will not be having a lot of data which can't be processed.
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OK. So I 'm just writing here , we 're not gonna try to specify rules of interaction but we 're gonna try to get more variety by i using different groups of people
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Time.
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and different sizes.
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Fine. And I you know , I I know that the near f near - field mikes will take care of also the problems to s to a certain degree.
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e e Yeah. And then the other thing might be , um , uh , technical versus administrative.
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I just wanted to be sure.
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Cuz if I recorded some administrative meetings then that may have less overlap , because you might have more overlap when you 're doing something technical and disagreeing or whatever.
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Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. Well , I just as as as a contributary eh , so I I know that in l in legal depositions people are pr are prevented from overlapping. They 'll just say , you know you know , " wait till each person is finished before you say something ". So it is possible to lessen if we wanted to. But but these other factors are fine. I just wanted to raise the issue.
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Well , the reason why I didn't want to is be why I personally didn't want to is because I wanted it to be as , uh , unintrusive as possi
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Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.
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as you could be with these things hanging on you.
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Oh , yeah. Yeah , I think that 's always desired. I just want to be sure we don't that we 're able to process , i u uh , you know , as much data as we can. Yeah.
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Yeah. Did they discuss any of that in the the meeting they had with L Liberman ?
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Mm - hmm.
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What
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And there was a big division ,
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What what do they
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so Liberman and others were interested in a lot of found data.
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Yeah.
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So there 's lots of recordings that They 're not close - talk mike ,
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Yeah.
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but And and there 's lots of television , you know , stuff on , um , political debates and things like that , congre congressional hearings. Boring stuff like that. Um , and then the CMU folks and I were sort of on the other side in cuz they had collected a lot of meetings that were sort of like this and said that those are nothing like these meetings. Um , so there 're really two different kinds of data. And , I guess we just left it as @ @ that if there 's found data that can be transformed for use in speech recognition easily , then of course we would do it ,
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Mm - hmm.
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but newly collected data would would be natural meetings. So.
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Actually , th @ @ the CMU folk have collected a lot of data. Is that is that going to be publicly available ,
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As far as I know , they h have not.
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or ?
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Um , but e
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OK.
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It 's also it 's not it 's not near - far , right ?
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I 'm not sure. Um , if people were interested they could talk to them , but I I got the feeling there was some politics involved.
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I think @ @ gonna add that to one of my action items.
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No.
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Just to check.
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I I don't know.
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Yeah. W we should know what 's out there certainly.
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Yeah.
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I mean , the
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Yeah.
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Cuz I had thought they 'd only done far - field ,
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I think you need to talk to Waibel and
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intelligent - room sorts of things.
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Oh , really ? It 's those guys.
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I hadn't known that then they 'd done any more than that.
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Oh , they only did the far - field ? I see.
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Yeah.
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But they had multiple mikes and they did do recognition , and they did do real conversations. But as far as I know they didn't offer that data to the community at this meeting.
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Mm - hmm.
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But that could change cuz Mark you know , Mark 's really into this. We should keep in touch with him.
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Yeah. Well , once we send out
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Yeah , I think
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I mean , we still haven't sent out the first note saying " hey , this list exists ". But but , uh , once we do that
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