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Mm - hmm.
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I think with
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the to speech - nonspeech as
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That 's right. But I think Javier 's
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it 's only speech or it 's it 's it 's nonspeech.
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Ah. Yeah.
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Mm - hmm.
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I think Javier 's might be able to.
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So.
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N n
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It doesn't have the same Gaus - uh , H M M modeling ,
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Yeah.
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which is I think a drawback.
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OK.
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But , uh
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Well , it 's sort of has a simple one.
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Mmm , yeah.
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Does it ?
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Right ? It 's it 's just it 's just a isn't it just a Gaussian
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Yeah.
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for each ?
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Yeah. And then he ch you choose optimal splitting.
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Hmm.
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Mm - hmm.
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Yeah. Oh , it doesn't have it doesn't have any temporal , uh ?
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Maybe I 'm misremembering , but I did not think it had a Markov
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I thought it Yeah. I gues I guess I don't remember either. Uh. It 's been a while.
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Yeah. Uh , I could have a look at it.
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Javier
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Uh.
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So.
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You mean Ja - eh , eh , Javier program ?
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Mm - hmm.
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No , Javier di doesn't worked with , uh , a Markov
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Yeah , I didn't think so.
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He on only train
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Oh , OK. So he 's just he just computes a Gaussian over potential
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Yep.
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Yeah. It was only Gaussian.
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Oh , I see. I see.
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And so I I think it would work fine for detecting overlap.
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This is the idea.
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And and
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It 's just , uh , that i it he has the two - pass issue that What he does is , as a first pass he he p he does , um , a guess at where the divisions might be and he overestimates. And that 's just a data reduction step , so that you 're not trying at every time interval.
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OK.
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And so those are the putative places where he tries.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. OK.
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And right now he 's doing that with silence and that doesn't work with the Meeting Recorder. So if we used another method to get the first pass , I think it would probably work.
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Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah , OK.
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It 's a good method. As long as the len as long the segments are long enough.
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Yeah.
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That 's the other problem.
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So
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O - k OK. So let me go back to what you had , though.
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Yeah.
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Um.
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Mm - hmm.
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The other thing one could do is Couldn't I mean , it 's So you have two categories
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Yeah.
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and you have Markov models for each. Couldn't you have a third category ? So you have , uh you have , uh , nonspeech , single - person speech , and multiple - person speech ?
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He has this on his board actually. Don't you have , like those those several different categories on the board ?
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Right ? And then you have a Markov model for each ?
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Um I 'm not sure. I I thought about , uh , adding , uh , uh , another class too. But it 's not too easy , I think , the the transition between the different class , to model them in in the system I have now. But it it it could be possible , I think ,
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I see. I see.
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in principle.
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Yeah , I mean , I This is all pretty gross.
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Yeah.
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I mean , the th the reason why , uh , I was suggesting originally that we look at features is because I thought , well , we 're doing something we haven't done before ,
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Yeah.
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we should at least look at the space and understand
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It seems like if two people two or more people talk at once , it should get louder ,
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Yeah.
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uh , and , uh , uh , there should be some discontinuity in pitch contours ,
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I had the impression.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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and , uh , there should overall be a , um , smaller proportion of the total energy that is explained by any particular harmonic sequence in the spectrum.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So those are all things that should be there.
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Yeah.
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Mm - hmm.
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So far , um , uh , Jose has has been By the way , I was told I should be calling you Pepe , but
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Yeah.
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by your friends , but Anyway ,
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Yeah.
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um , uh , the has has , uh , been exploring , uh , e largely the energy issue and , um , as with a lot of things , it is not uh , like this , it 's not as simple as it sounds.
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Yeah.
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And then there 's , you know Is it energy ? Is it log energy ? Is it LPC residual energy ? Is it is it is it , uh , delta of those things ? Uh , what is it no Obviously , just a simple number absolute number isn't gonna work. So it should be with compared to what ? Should there be a long window for the normalizing factor and a short window for what you 're looking at ?
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Yeah.
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Or , you know , how b short should they be ? So ,
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Hmm.
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th he 's been playing around with a lot of these different things and and so far at least has not come up with any combination that really gave you an indicator.
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Yeah.
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So I I still have a hunch that there 's it 's in there some place , but it may be given that you have a limited time here , it it just may not be the best thing to to to focus on for the remaining of it.
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Yeah. To overrule , yeah.
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So pitch - related and harmonic - related , I 'm I 'm somewhat more hopeful for it.
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