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Or neither.
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Yeah.
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But it 's just two thing ways that you can say it.
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Mm - hmm.
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Right ?
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Sure.
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Oh.
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Um um ,
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that 's the only thought I have because if you t start talking about these , you know u tr She 's trying to get at natural groupings , but it there 's there 's nothing natural about reading numbers this way.
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Right.
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I mean if you saw a telephone number you would never see it this way.
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The the problem also is she did want to stick with digits. I mean I 'm speaking for her since she 's not here.
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Yeah.
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But , um , the other problem we were thinking about is if you just put the numerals , they might say forty - three instead of four three.
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Yeah.
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Mmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well , if there 's space , though , between them. I mean , you can With when you space them out they don't look like , uh , forty - three anymore.
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Yeah.
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Well , she and I were talking about it ,
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Yeah.
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and she felt that it 's very , very natural to do that sort of chunking.
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She 's right. It 's it it 's a different problem. I mean it 's a it 's a it 's an interesting problem I mean , we 've done stuff with numbers before , and yeah sometimes people If you say s " three nine eight one " sometimes people will say " thirty - nine eighty - one " or " three hundred three hundred eighty - nine one " , or I don't think they 'd say that ,
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but but th
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Not very frequently
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no
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but , they certainly could.
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But Yeah. Uh , th thirty - eight ninety - one is probably how they 'd do it.
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So. I mean , this is something that Liz and I spoke about
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But I see.
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and , since this was something that Liz asked for specifically , I think we need to defer to her.
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Mm - hmm.
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Yeah.
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OK. Well , we 're probably gonna be collecting meetings for a while and if we decide we still wanna do some digits later we might be able to do some different ver different versions ,
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Do something different ,
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but this is the next suggestion ,
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yeah.
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so. OK. OK , so uh e l I guess , let me , uh , get my my short thing out about the NSF. I sent this actually this is maybe a little side thing. Um , I I sent to what I thought we had , uh , in some previous mail , as the right joint thing to send to , which was " M MTG RCDR hyphen joint ".
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It was. Joint. Yep.
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But then I got some sort of funny mail saying that the moderator was going to
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It 's That 's because they set the one up at UW
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that 's not on our side , that 's on the U - dub side.
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Oh.
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And so U - UW set it up as a moderated list.
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Yeah.
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Oh , OK.
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And , I have no idea whether it actually ever goes to anyone so you might just wanna mail to Mari
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No no , th I got I got , uh , little excited notes from Mari and Jeff and so on ,
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and
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so it 's
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OK , good.
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Yeah.
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So the moderator actually did repost it.
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Yeah.
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Cuz I had sent one earlier Actually the same thing happened to me I had sent one earlier. The message says , " You 'll be informed " and then I was never informed but I got replies from people indicating that they had gotten it , so.
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Right.
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It 's just to prevent spam.
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I see. Yeah so O OK. Well , anyway , I guess everybody here Are y are you are on that list , right ? So you got the note ?
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Mm - hmm.
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Yeah ? OK.
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Yeah.
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Um , so this was , uh , a , uh , proposal that we put in before on on more more higher level , uh , issues in meetings , from I guess higher level from my point of view. Uh , and , uh , meeting mappings , and , uh so is i for it was a proposal for the ITR program , uh , Information Technology Research program 's part of National Science Foundation. It 's the second year of their doing , uh , these grants. They 're they 're a lot of them are some of them anyway , are larger larger grants than the usual , small NSF grants , and. So , they 're very competitive , and they have a first phase where you put in pre - proposals , and we we , uh , got through that. And so th the the next phase will be we 'll actually be doing a larger proposal. And I 'm I I hope to be doing very little of it. And uh , which was also true for the pre - proposal , so. Uh , there 'll be bunch of people working on it. So.
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When 's when 's the full proposal due ?
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Uh , I think April ninth , or something. So it 's about a month.
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p s
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Um
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Yep. And they said end of business day you could check on the reviewer forms ,
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is that
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Tomorrow.
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Tomorrow. March second , I said.
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Tomorrow ?
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I 've been a day off all week.
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Tomorrow.
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Yeah.
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I guess that 's a good thing cuz that way I got my papers done early.
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It would be interesting
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So that 's amazing you showed up at this meeting !
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It is. It is actually quite amazing.
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Yeah.
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It 'll be interesting to see the reviewer 's comments.
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Yeah. Yeah. My favorite is was when when when one reviewer says , uh , " you know , this should be far more detailed " , and the nex the next reviewer says , " you know , there 's way too much detail ".
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Yep. Or " this is way too general " , and the other reviewer says , " this is way too specific ".
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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" This is way too hard " , " way too easy ".
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We 'll see. Maybe there 'll be something useful. And and , uh
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Well it sounded like they they the first gate was pretty easy. Is that right ? That they didn't reject a lot of the pre - proposals ?
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Do you know anything about the numbers ?
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No. Just just th
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It 's just from his message it sounded like that.
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Yeah. Yeah. I said something , yeah.
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Gary Strong 's
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there was a sentence at the end of one of his paragraphs
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Yeah.
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