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What are you are you are they keywords , or are they ?
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Keywords.
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OK. I see.
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Right ? And so and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything.
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I see.
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And then does it play something back or that 's something you 're having to program ?
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Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,
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Yeah.
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but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either So so that 's the other thing I wanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have already been written. Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,
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Mm - hmm.
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um , which I haven't used , haven't looked at. Dan says it 's pretty good
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Mm - hmm.
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but it does mean you need to be running a web server.
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Mm - hmm.
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And so it it 's pretty big and complex. Uh and it would be difficult to port to Windows because it means porting the web server to Windows.
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Mm - hmm.
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Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - end for Broadcast News
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Yeah.
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which I think looks great. I think that 's a nice demo. Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows. And so I think that 's the way we should go.
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I Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play.
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Mm - hmm.
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You can find a searched string and play. So e Are you So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they uh ?
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It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based So it 's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring.
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OK.
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Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing how far apart they have to be and things like that. So it it 's
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It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based
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i it 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that.
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OK.
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So i it uses So it pr produces an index ahead of time so you don't you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents. Cuz you can imagine if with if we have the sixty hours ' worth you do wouldn't wanna do a search.
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Hm - mmm. Good.
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Um you have to do preindexing and so that these tools do all that. And so the work to get the front - end to work would be porting it well uh to get it to work on the UNIX systems , our side is just rewriting them and modifying them to work for meetings.
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Mm - hmm.
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So that it understands that they 're different speakers and that it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that.
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Mm - hmm.
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Mm - hmm.
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So what does the user see as the result of the query ?
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On which tool ?
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THISL.
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The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TK
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Yeah.
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um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits and you can type on them and listen to them. Click on them rather with a mouse.
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Ah.
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Mmm
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So if you typed in " small heads " or something you could
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Right , you 'd get
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get back a uh uh something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurred
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something You you 'd get to listen to " beep ".
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or some
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That was a really good look. It 's too bad that that couldn't come into the
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You couldn't get a video.
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Guess who I practice on ?
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At some point we 're gonna have to say what that private joke is , that keeps coming up.
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Yeah. And then again , maybe not. So , uh Yeah , that soun that sounds reasonable. Yeah , it loo it my my recollection of it is it 's it 's a pretty reasonable uh demo sort of format.
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Right.
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Yeah that sounds good.
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And so I think there 'd be minimal effort to get it to work , minimally
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That sounds really neat.
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and then we 'd wanna add things like query by speaker and by meeting and all that sort of stuff. Um Dave Gelbart expressed some interest in working on that so I 'll work with him on it. And it it 's looking pretty good , you know , the fact that I got the query system working. So if we wanna just do a video - based one I think that 'll be easy.
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Mm - hmm.
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If we wanna get it to Windows it 's gonna be a little more work because the THISL IR , the information retrieval tool 's um , I had difficulty just compiling them on Solaris.
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Mm - hmm.
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So getting them to compile on Windows might be challenging.
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Mm - hmm.
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But you were saying that that the uh that there 's that set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that
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So. It certainly helps.
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Uh - huh.
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Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it.
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Mm - hmm.
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Yeah.
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But what those they what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,
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Mm - hmm.
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so that the normal UNIX function calls all work.
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Mm - hmm.
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And you have to have all the o
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Um , But the problem is that that the THISL tools didn't use anything like Autoconf and so you have the normal porting problems of different header files and th some things are defined and some things aren't and uh different compiler work - arounds and so on. So the fact that um it took me a day to get it c to compile under Solaris means it 's probably gonna take me s significantly more than that to get it to compile under Windows.
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How about having it run under free BSD ?
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Well what you need
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Free BSD would probably be easier.
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All you need to do is say to Dan " gee it would be nice if this worked under Autoconf " and it 'll be done in a day.
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That 's true.
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Uh
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Right ?
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Actually you know I should check because he did port it to SPRACHcore
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Right.
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so he might have done that already.
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I I I wouldn't be surprised.
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So
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I 'll check at that
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But it would what would serve would serve both purposes , is if you contact him and ask him if he 's already done it.
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What I
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How does it play ?
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Yeah , right.
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If he has then you learn , if he hasn't then he 'll do it.
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Right.
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Wow.
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I hope he never listens to these meetings.
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That 's right. So , and I 've been corresponding with Dan and also with uh uh , SoftSound guy , uh
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It 's amazing.
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Yeah.
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Blanking on his name.
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