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lit/21912608.txt

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 Wrote this a few years ago. I wrote a lot of short poems a few years ago, inspired by my time in graduate school.
+--- 21953898
+>>21912608 (OP)
+The hour
+
+Wake up
+White walls
+Dead air
+Dead halls
+Clock ticks
+Sun sets
+Life goes
+Mind bends
+Wait for
+Hour's end
+
+A prayer for the fallen artist 
+
+Hark, thee! I listen to another man's warcry,
+And it clangs in my head, the song!
+Of a great man! Who improved the life of another for having lived!
+
+Hear such beauty, an ode to duty!
+The falen artist sees it all, 
+Fallen wings, scorched and torn!
+He can see the beauty!
+The fingerspitzgefual,
+Wretched away from the bosom, he stands there lying
+A broken tool!
+To soar to heaven, to get burnt.
+The fool!
+
+There he sits, his wings
+ashen black,
+Like heaven's brightest star!
+Only to slip beneath the crack.
+
+DAMN!
+DAMN!
+DAMN!
+
+For what one sows, he shall reap,
+to sip the God's nectar,
+bread shall not keep.
+
+To walk among the living,
+for dread toward the day,
+bitter and black as tar,
+to him we all but say:
+
+A prayer!
+A prayer!
+A prayer for the fallen artist!
+
+For at the string's sinews tear!
+black as coal, he cannot bear!
+
+Of the great, many fallen among their lot!
+Their hearts boon,
+never begot!
+
+Subsist, take care!
+The paradise of the soul 
+Is too your share!
+Of the beauty it holds,
+you must take care!
+
+A prayer!
+A prayer!
+A prayer for the fallen artist!
+--- 21953971
+>>21952634
+I haven't read any of them after high school. Do I sound too similar?
+--- 21953989
+You realiser got get some pfizer
+rewinder gotta be an early riser
+do some wagie right in my cagie
+can't even sagie bad threads imma ragie
+stop continue you gotta in you
+NPC gotta get the triple vax menu
+ooooooooooohhhhh yeahhhhhhhh
+--- 21954023
+>>21953898
+Gay
+--- 21954459
+>>21952634
+Frater do you have a burner email I can message you at with a question so as to not derail this thread
+--- 21954479
+>>21954459
+[email protected]
+--- 21954504
+>>21954479
+lol is this real?
+--- 21954559
+>>21954459
+You might as well discuss it here if it pertains to poetry. This thread is most fruitful when we are not sharing and critiquing our own, mostly bad, poems.
+--- 21954645
+>>21954559
+It's not about poetry that's why I wanted to talk about it elsewhere
+--- 21954786
+princes, Fasci &
+kings in northern Greece, their
+pistols torn Fast from
+kissed Girls, Porn-Stars from the nor-
+thern end of the beach
+
+driving his Truck the Fasco
+dry from the wet, Grecian rain took
+the Girls in Trucks
+their curling, wet, Grecian
+hair & Gloves around
+pistols, they Fucked
+his gang of Fasci, Fascio
+
+invoking Evocations
+the Mage-King's Invocation, Bleistein
+evoked his Evocation of
+kabbalah, invoking Golem,
+cabbalist Gloved
+
+lighting Cigarillo with
+lightning-Symbol of Schutzstaffel
+S S the Boys slung Guns &
+guessed, Drunk the Girls' Secrets as the
+radio Played White Noise, Waffles
+toasted by Girls with Guns
+roasting
+fine Meats to put on Buns with
+wine for
+the Drunkards
+
+the Boys left for Rome while
+the Girls' card-playing
+made them feel at Home;
+spades in Hand, Peasants whiling
+along Country Roads leading up to
+the City of Rome as
+the Fasci played Guitars,
+strumming
+chords with Hands of Skill;
+bored, from Country Windows
+farm-Girls dreamt Carnalities
+harmed
+by the Fascist Peasant-Boys of
+various Nationalities
+
+in Rome the Lombard-Girl awaited
+her Roman Fasco, Tall & Fair
+with a Cigarillo in his
+Mouth
+the Roman Fasco's Skin was like White
+marble like the Skin of a Girl
+from Northern Lombardy with Lips
+Crimson & Baby-Soft, his Hound
+barking Epileptically, bound
+by a Leash amidst Rain as a
+radio Played,
+trucks Screeching through
+the Rain
+as Teenage Fasci,
+parking their Fascist
+trucks with Rifles slung Fucked
+teenage Girls with Skin as White as
+marble, their Daggers
+ripping Clothes to reveal White
+alabaster
+
+speeding Across Croatian Soil,
+taking Drugs like
+speed, the Boys Listened
+to Crap Music on
+radios as they
+sped past the Bavarian Peasant-
+boys near the Bavarian Peasant-
+girls as the Suabian Coast
+came in to View
+
+& sailing across British Seas, Bleistein
+evoking Kabbalah as Synagogues
+erupted Holocausts of Flame,
+Fasci reaching London's Lodge
+burning to the Ground in Shame, Bleistein
+dragging Swords across Lodge's Foyer
+
+flying Far across the Sky as
+lightning Struck against Flame, turbanned
+jihadi With The
+lightning-Symbols
+of the Schutzstaffel
+descending For
+jihad, Striking
+bleistein as He
+descended From
+stairs, Evoking
+numerologies As
+fasci With
+lightning-Symbols & Swastikas
+descended upon Flame
+--- 21954796
+>>21954479
+I came across this diagram of Graham Hough's while reading Richard Lanham's A Handlist of Rhetorical Terms. Are you familiar with it? It is apparently in furtherance of Northrop Frye's Anatomy of Criticism. I thought it might illustrate some of our differences in taste. You seem to occupy the space between 9 and 12 whereas I am within 12 and 3. I will have to read more about this today so I can get a more nuanced understanding of it. At the moment, I think symbolism and realism are degenerate compared to fairytales and Shakespeare.
+--- 21954827
+>>21954796
+Brother that's not him lol
+--- 21954918
+>>21954827
+Thanks. I didn't check.
+--- 21955876
+>>21915830
+i really liked that
+--- 21956337
+>>21954459
+Just message me on discord if you have it @Hairy#9550 
+>>21954479
+I’ll stand by the Jew lover but not the dick sucking, also make it 9001. 
+
+>>21954796
+Nope never encountered it, I’m a bit busy but later I’ll read over it and read into it, looks interesting enough.
+--- 21956505
+~ Indulgent
+
+My feathers are blue,
+and my eyes can only meet
+the stars.
+
+I see birds dying their colors.
+Beautiful wings.
+Are they true?
+
+I once dreamed of a nest
+of my own.
+Yet all the trees have been about
+leaves. 
+
+I dance and I sing,
+I feel the air and 
+only the air knows me.
+
+I’ve flown across everyone 
+and I’ve lost my shadow.
+Nobody saw me.
+
+Well, I 
+speak in metaphors,
+so that I may listen
+to the fall.
+_____________
+--- 21956541
+~ Relativity 
+
+tiny and small
+to me, they all seem
+their problems and
+everything in between
+
+I reach the event
+meant for any horizon
+and a mirror stands tall
+inside my event horizon
+
+push and pull
+like a paradox
+twisting the law
+I have to stand
+but I
+stand to fall
+
+so I let my feet 
+touch nothing
+I step on the air
+while I reach
+for the emptiness.
+________________
+--- 21956704
+>>21956337
+Eh whatever I'll just ask here, thoughts on Gareth Knight for practical Christian Kabbalah?
+--- 21957199
+>>21956704
+Wouldn’t recommend it, your best bet is Agrippa, Paracelsus, boehme, trithemius and similar lit and amplify them with direct study of Jewish Kabbalistic lit + the grimoires. If you want a very comprehensive short singular work, the sixth and seventh book of Moses is a wonderful option.
+--- 21957432
+Why no love here for Longfellow?
+--- 21957456
+>>21957432
+Nigger, are you Longfellow? This thread is for poetry YOU made.
+--- 21957509
+>>21957456
+I can't hold a candle to the greats, so why not laud them? I doubt you even read very widely in the canon of poetic permutations, if you think the only point of a thread is to post your own poesy. Pleb.

lit/21917939.txt

@@ -418,3 +418,20 @@ this thing i mean. incredible to think they just fucking lost the most important
 --- 21953501
 >>21919798
 human behavior is quite repetitive
+--- 21955067
+bump
+--- 21955348
+>>21953501
+That was what I was saying 
+
+>>21953498
+The ark is safe now in Africa
+--- 21956631
+>>21955348
+Based Ethiopians
+--- 21956654
+>>21955348
+the Ark of the Covenant is in heaven
+--- 21957152
+>>21947555
+we need more of this in the next thread... the one that's gonna satisfy everybody here

lit/21932156.txt

@@ -845,3 +845,167 @@ Just a tip you probably didn't get taught at the leftist indoctrination centre w
 Fpbp. His only mistake was leaving the Church or not going Orthodox. And with that, 
 "that is all
  Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
+--- 21954061
+>>21951480
+>then is not awareness anymore,m the notion of maya defeats the pourpose of awareness as a thing that exist, let alone functions
+This is meaningless babble once again lol, maya does not 'defeat anything', Brahman is unaffected by maya, Brahman's partless reflexive awareness remains what it is and exactly the same irrespective of the apparent presence or absence of maya, it makes no difference either way.
+
+>the only way self-awareness can arise is in a reflective manner, that is, by reflecting itself in the object of awareness
+This is dumb hegelian schizononsense and it isn't a serious argument, I disagree with that premise, which is a premise that is impossible for you to prove, you can only assert it as an unprovable dogma which fails to refute anything. Brahman's awareness is not a 'conceptual awareness' that develops through conscious reflection but is NON-CONCEPTUAL AWARENESS you retard, reflection plays no role whatsoever. This non-conceptual awareness is partless, unconditoned, eternal and immutable, it has never not been intrinsically self-aware/self-revealing. Your point doesn't even make sense in this context because such an awareness would not need nothing else and there would be no possibility of it deviating or ever being not-aware. 
+
+>and there's no object of awareness either, then self awareness can't happen
+>if awareness is not an object and there's no object of awareness either, then self awareness can't happen
+Once again, you are fundamentally misunderstanding the entire premise by trying to retreat back to a dogmatic assertion that awareness involves a linkage of subject and object, I'm talking about another type or conception of awareness entirely from you, one that is utterly partless and simple, and has already been said it is self-disclosing in a way that transcends and doesn't involve the subject-object division. Just because whatever retarded pseudophilosophy you follow disagrees is not sufficient proof that other conceptions of awareness are inherently wrong, all you are doing is dogmatically asserting that only your conception off awareness is the right one, which is not a real argument and it doesn't refute anything.
+--- 21954068
+>>21953415
+Orthodoxy definitely is in line with the Traditionalist framework. Him and Evola had good intuitions about that.
+--- 21954086
+>>21932156 (OP)
+>>Is completely forgotten in the west outside 4chan and some far right and occultist circles
+It's amusing how american Guénon larpers paint him as obscure and radical to cultivate an air of edgy esoterism, when reality is much more prosaic.
+--- 21954095
+>>21954086
+France is probably the only western country where he is anywhere close to being commonly recognized by the average educated person
+--- 21954142
+>>21952051
+Plato, Aristotle, and Plotinus would suffice as background. Everything else he explains himself.
+--- 21954215
+>>21954142
+I'm not even sure if Guenon had read Plotinus, at least he never mentions him explicitly, except maybe in one or two places. Aristotle is definitely necessary, though, as he is the Western philosopher Guenon uses as a baseline for translating metaphysical terminology from the East, and there is constant reference made to his work (plus Aquinas). I'd say Aristotle and Aquinas would be the essential backbone for Guenon, Plato would then still be worthwhile but not quite as important.
+--- 21954258
+>>21954061
+>arguing with borderline retarded ESLs
+--- 21954262
+>>21938138
+>cant into limits
+Kek and then he decided to write a book about calculus. Jfl
+--- 21954263
+>>21932156 (OP)
+>Is completely forgotten in the west outside 4chan and some far right and occultist circles
+Lmao, what fucking university did you study at?
+--- 21954357
+>>21954061
+>This is meaningless babble
+this is just a ad hominem fallacy, prove how weak your argument is
+
+>Brahman's partless reflexive awareness
+if brahman is awareness itself, then brahman can't at the same time "be" aware,it's like saying you're touching the touching, that's actual babble
+>This is dumb hegelian schizononsense and it isn't a serious argument
+again, another ad homine, which is the only not serious argument here
+>I disagree with that premise, which is a premise that is impossible for you to prove,
+i don't need to prove that you're aware of things, that's an empirial fact, not a logical one, if you wnat top disagree with that you're free to do so, but you're negating a basic fact of reality, what's important here is taht empirical actual awareness don't conect with your non-conceptual awareness, so you saying "brahman is awareness" doesn't make any sense and is the only dogmatic argument here, since you can't porve how the awareness that i can experiemnt relates to non-conceptual awareness and how that relates with brahman, you're just dogmatically repeatign those axiom like is a self evident true
+>This non-conceptual awareness is partless, unconditoned, eternal and immutable, it has never not been intrinsically self-aware/self-revealing. Your point doesn't even make sense in this context because such an awareness would not need nothing else and there would be no possibility of it deviating or ever being not-aware.
+again, try to tpove taht instead of just repeatign it as an act of blind faith, you're not telling what awareness is, you're repeatign what you think awareness should be in order to fit your system, but in reality there'sno moment of pure awarenss or non.cocneptual awareness that i can use to contarst it with the empirical awareness of experience
+>I'm talking about another type or conception of awareness entirely from you,
+yes but you can't prove or articulate how such a thing can exist, just saying that "is awareness" doesn't work because awareness in the real life can only be epxlained with the subject/object dichotomoy, just thinking there's something else because teh vedas say so is by deffinition dogmatism
+>>21954061
+>whatever retarded pseudophilosophy you follow disagrees is not sufficient proof that other conceptions of awareness are inherently wrong
+again, no one needs a philosophy book to know that you're a person(subject) that os aware of an object(object) is completly self evident and you can even see it expressed in every language in the world, there's al ogical expersssion of taht dichotomy and an empirical one, the burden of proof is on you, and all you can answer is "you don't know if that true, my system is as good as yours"
+--- 21954365
+>>21952091
+
+most french philosopher of that era where against sociology, the fat thay they refuted classical metaphysics doesn't mean that they where mundnae, just that you have a naive notion of what true metaphysics is all about, a metapysical with a sky daddy and fairy tales is actually the most shallow and mundane system of the bunch
+--- 21954419
+>>21954357
+> if brahman is awareness itself, then brahman can't at the same time "be" aware,it's like saying you're touching the touching, that's actual babble
+Brahman “being” aware just means that Brahman IS aware, i.e. it is what its own nature is; if Brahman was awareness itself then it would be contradictory for Brahman to not be aware (is aware). Perhaps because you are ESL that’s why you didnt understand this. If you actually understand English then it’s obvious that nothing illogical or contradictory was said, a thing is what its own nature is, Brahman’s nature is awareness ergo Brahman is aware.
+
+> i don't need to prove that you're aware of things, that's an empirial fact, not a logical one, 
+Just because we have empirical knowledge of objects does not constitute sufficient philosophical or logical proof that awareness itself is a connection of subject and object, because even in the Advaitic model where awareness itself is partless and without subject-object they still account for the empirical knowledge of objects by having the intellect/mind complex that is lit up by awareness be the thing that interacts with objects, so the mere fact of the empirical experience of objects does not contradict their teaching or prove anything about what awareness itself is.
+
+> so you saying "brahman is awareness" doesn't make any sense and is the only dogmatic argument here
+This is not profane philosophy where I am trying to prove a thesis using syllogisms or another form of argument, I am talking about a doctrine that is sourced from revealed Scriptures and hence they don’t care about proving it. The concept itself makes complete sense and it only seems conflicts with anything if you accept dumb a priori axioms that conflict with it, but these axioms of yours are themselves unproven so any argument which presupposes them uncritically and without proving them will itself fail to refute or otherwise demonstrate any contradiction in Advaita so these basis or validity of the argument remains unestablished.
+
+> yes but you can't prove or articulate how such a thing can exist
+I can articulate how it exists easily, it is the unconditioned, undecaying, independent absolute reality itself and has always existed forever and will forever do so, that is how.
+
+>just saying that "is awareness" doesn't work because awareness in the real life can only be epxlained with the subject/object dichotomoy
+I explained why this is an invalid argument in the second part of this post above. Moreover it’s not even true that normal empirical experience can “only be explained” that way since the experience of objects and the subject-object divide can be accounted for by assigning it to the intellect/mind and not awareness itself.
+--- 21954427
+>>21954419
+>>21954357
+> the burden of proof is on you, and all you can answer is "you don't know if that true, my system is as good as yours"
+I have nothing to prove, I am just demonstrating that there are not any arguments whatsoever that actually refute the Advaitic position or demonstrate any logical contradiction in it since they all these arguments invariably rely on logical fallacies and/or unproven presuppositions. Advaita is not refutable by any means, period.
+--- 21955391
+>>21947753
+>This is you once again slipping into the false dichotomy which I already identified and disposed of as invalid and irrelevant here >>21943077, perhaps you didn't understand the point that was made. If you actually understand the point it becomes irrational for you to even raise this question again. The "act of experiencing" is, just like the objects, equally belonging to the falsity that the reality of Brahman conjures/projects as falsity.
+In other words, the experiencing is just as false as the objects the Brahman is experiencing(!) 
+
+Once it is understood that what I call experiencing is the same as what you call projecting, a contradiction can be seen.
+--- 21955398
+>>21954419
+>Brahman “being” aware just means that Brahman IS aware
+you said Brhaman is awareness, not brahmanis aware, here>>21951247
+so you're now contradicting yourself only to win a point
+>that awareness itself is a connection of subject and object,
+that doesn't matter, we know that empirical awareness requieres ansubject and an object, so by deffinition awareness itself(if that ting even exist) should be related to that principle, if not then is not related to the concept of awareness and is not "awareness" itself, just a vague trascendent object of imagination
+>that is sourced from revealed Scriptures
+exctly, so you by deffinition rel yon dogma, hence you're dogmatic
+>I can articulate how it exists easily, it is the unconditioned, undecaying, independent absolute reality itself and has always existed forever and will forever do so, that is how.
+you're not articualting anything there, you're describing an object from your imagination(or shankara's), an articulaiton implies that you explain how such an object can interact with empirical reality, or in other words, how that object is more than just an object of your imagination
+>and not awareness itself.
+you first have to prove that awarenes sitself exist, which you can't do since you need to rely on dogma
+>>21954427
+>I have nothing to prove
+no one has nothing to rpove, you chose to tets your argument by debating here, but in the end you back up to dogmatic axioms, so your doing a lousy job at proving your point, or show how advaita is "irrefutable", since your whole system relies on circular reasoning
+--- 21955864
+>>21932156 (OP)
+what did he got right then, qrd?
+--- 21955914
+>>21932156 (OP)
+I recently came to know of perennialism as it relates to religion and want to learn more; is Guenon a good place to start?
+--- 21957733
+>>21932156 (OP)
+>most influential thinker of the 30s
+Read more books.
+>why was he forgotten
+Because like all perennialists what he writes is a giant argument from authority on (undebated) assumptions of watered down platonism.
+He is a nonentity in western intellectual literature and he's as relevant as a minor neoplatonist in late antiquity, reworking theories of others and adding nothing. The King of the World and Symbols of the Sacred science are embarassing books, and if you want to read "thinkers" of the last century read some Heidegger or Wittgenstein. 
+Traditionalists are the literal hooga booga monkeys of western philosophy, going back to unpack the knowledge of lost tribes as if it made sense and turning every piece of culture they have the disgrace to touch into an O MY RUBBER PLATONISM where you have metaphysical order of whatever informing reality. 
+I love Plato but these guys would literally shit their pants if they read one (1) Aristotle book and actually understood it, as most philosopher from Plato onwards did, trying to advance a discussion. Wannabe a Platonist? Read fucking Plato, or Plotinus, or Lloyd Gerson's sperging about Ur-Platonism. Not this guy or Evola.
+
+And if you are ACTUALLY interested in ancient religions, Eliade, Brelich and Kerenyi are going to be much better starting points for you than these absolute irrelevant hacks.
+Go to a library, use google or ChatGPT for what matters but read a fucking book.
+--- 21957771
+>>21957733
+I haven't posted here for a while, but this is utter rubbish, complete dogshit.
+>Neoplatonism, Platonism, Plotinus
+You are completely exaggerating the relationship between Guénon and "Platonism." This is almost embarrassing for you, guénon's main work was in studying oriental metaphysics as exactly as possible, not from the lens of platonist, but from inside the tradition itself. Guénon was one of the first authors to describe Advaita Vedanta to western audiences in so much detail, in his book Man and His becoming according to the Vedanta, a cornerstone of his work. Nowhere there does he reference Platonism. Infact guénon does not even care much for Platonism, or for Plotinus. he paid very little attention to the western intellectual tradition, in fact he wrote more on Aristotle than plato, or Plotinus, merely because of the connection there to medieval Christianity and the scholastics. Guénon is about Oriental Metaphysics, Ibn Arabi, Shankara, the Upanishads, the Vedas and the Quran, even Kabbalah and the Zohar which he saw as the core of the more modern western esoteric tradition. Anyway you seem to be confused because nowhere did he declare himself to be part of the canon of western philosophy, he went to great lengths to deconstruct this sort of categorization. And no. Just no. Plotinus and the Neoplatonists was not his main subject of interest, that is later schuonian interpolation, and the role that the platonic tradition had a role in inspiring Guénon was arguably non-existent.
+
+>And if you are ACTUALLY interested in ancient religions, Eliade, Brelich and Kerenyi are going to be much better starting points for you than these absolute irrelevant hacks.
+>Ancient religions
+No instead go through initiation and learn from a qualified representative of the respective tradition, or read the traditional sources themselves. You don't seem to understand
+
+After thinking about it for a long time, guénons aim have much more in common with psychiatriats investigating and systematizing "non-ordinary states of consciousness" like stanislav grof, than they do with these sterile bookish anthropologists and historians of religion. It is all leading to direct experience and intuition. 
+
+Imagine calling the upanishads and Advaita Vedanta "watered down Platonism" you really are embarrassing yourself to those who are really in the Know. 
+I have noticed the population of people who have actually detected the primary objective of guénon in terms of seeking out initiation, and prioritizing direct experiential metaphysical realization, have dropped to almost 0 here.
+--- 21957783
+>>21957733
+>I love Plato but these guys would literally shit their pants if they read one (1) Aristotle book and actually understood it, as most philosopher from Plato onwards did, trying to advance a discussion. Wannabe a Platonist? Read fucking Plato, or Plotinus, or Lloyd Gerson's sperging about Ur-Platonism. Not this guy or Evola.
+Complete rubbish, you were completely filtered by the Primary directive of Guénon and Evola. The acquisition of supra-individual, supra-human states of consciousness through a process of initiatic disclosure. This is not some schizobabble, but a real task, whether you follow through with it and end up regressing to a state below where you began is only a result of your incomprehension and psychical composition. 
+>Muh Read Muh Read
+Reading to Guénon is mere theoretical preparation, which is insignificant in light of actual initiating, and initiatic disclosure. There is no platonic tradition either, no rites, no mysteries.
+
+Guénon is not saying, read plato after so many millenia for some merely intellectual curiosity, he is saying Get initiated into the mysteries of Eleusis, you just don't seem to understand the difference between these things at all.
+--- 21957841
+>>21957771
+>>21957783
+So what you're saying then is that if you feel bored of ordinary life, reading and taking Guénon seriously is a possible doorway to schizophrenia?
+--- 21957843
+>>21957841
+Yes exactly right.
+--- 21957853
+>>21957771
+>>21957783
+>nowhere does he reference Platonism
+This is your brain on Traditionalism.
+I never said he references Platonism, I said that his metaphysics is Platonic in nature, in that he assumes an higher metaphysical order informs reality.
+You think that in order to do this, he must have read Plato, because his books gave you mental illness by making you think that the only way in which you can be philosophically aligned with something is by quoting him or directly referring to his philosophical tradition.
+
+Now even if Guenon wrote his books on Saturn, without ever knowing planet Earth and his traditions, as long as his metaphysics is philosophically compatible with Platonism, on this planet (Earth) we are allowed to refer to it as Platonism.
+The only difference between what he does and actual Platonism what that, while Plato built arguments, Guenon thinks he's right because he builds a giant (methodologically unsound) philological research around ancient texts from various traditions saying that he's right. Whatever metaphysics he gets out of his magical hat you can only believe if you believe his interpretation of some other book, and this is problematic on two levels:
+
+1. The fact that a book states something never means that it is true, therefore it does not matter how much you interpret a book: by interpreting you can only say "what the book truly says", which is never and will never be the same as saying "how things truly are". When you interpret something, you make statements about the object you interpret (the book) not about the objects referenced by what you interpret (the states of affait the book claims to describe).
+2. I have never met a Guenon reader who actually bothered reading any of the sources he quotes, and I can assure you that once you do (as I did) you either despair or laugh loudly at how wrong he is. But Guenon readers don't want to read, they want to be right, which is why the read Guenon, who validates absolute trite and banal points on traditional values and modes of existing, rather than his sources, which address life and existence in a complex way that requires actual study. They prefer reading interpretations of books than read books, i.e. they prefer playing with the idea that since someone said something then it must be right, instead of picking up some primary source, learn an ancient fucking language for once, read the fucking book and THINK ABOUT IT BY YOURSELF trying to see if it matches reality for you or not.
+This is what a philosopher does. Otherwise you can keep being a philologist and enjoy your Dungeon & Dragons game with your friends.

lit/21936988.txt

@@ -339,3 +339,57 @@ Is there any latin language porn?
 --- 21953335
 >>21937823
 Miserable people are going to be miserable. All I can do is shrug and try to enjoy life.
+--- 21953901
+>>21953168
+I was looking for Latin films a while back and one of the very few was essentially 70s gay porn
+--- 21954186
+>>21952058
+This is the 3rd year of my degree, only in this year do you translate actual Greek, the rest was all Latin and other religions.
+--- 21954432
+>>21952038
+It turns out that the Latin professor is a transgender"woman". It seems you are right about the classics becoming "woke".
+I have become certain I want to study Assyriology or Egyptology, but can't decide between the two. All 3 ANE fields available to me (Egypt-, Assyriology and semitics) are of world class quality, including semesters abroad at Cambridge University or others leading university in the field.
+What factors did you consider when choosing your field of study?
+--- 21954552
+>>21952028
+Romance languages are more inflection-heavy which is makes them more similar to Greek. Latin is closer to Romance languages than English. Being bilingual in it with either two can only assist in unraveling one's understanding of texts.
+--- 21954701
+>>21952315
+i love you my friend. 
+God bless you!
+--- 21955420
+>>21954432
+>at Cambridge University
+If you are not into woke classics, then you are an idiot for thinking going to this place is a good idea. Probably the most woke university in Europe.
+--- 21955533
+>>21954432
+I'm curious how you found I was the one who posted the picture of Anne Mahoney and commented on your situation? Anyway, I did some digging, and I am 99% certain that Anne Mahoney isn't trans. I found her CV in the Internet Archive, and I looked up a 1983 paper she gave in mathematics (pic rel). Because the name listed is Anne Mahoney, and it hasn't been altered since then, it means that, if she is trans, she must have transitioned over 40 years ago.
+
+Since I don't know what university you study at, I can't comment on your particular situation, but being generally familiar with Classics, Semitics, and ANE in general, I might be able to help. First of all, Assyriology is a subset of Semitics. Akkadian, which Assyriology refers to, is a Semitic language. Even though there are departments that call themselves "The University X Department of Semitics", they do more than just Semitic languages, like Sumerian. At a university I am a non-degree seeking student at, there are people who teach Coptic in the Semitics department, even though it is Egyptian and not Semitic. I have a friend studying for a PhD at a premier ANE school. He came in knowing, in terms of ANE languages, Akkadian, Aramaic, Syriac, Ugaritic, Hebrew, and perhaps some minor Northwest Semitic dialects. I don't know all the languages he has learned / is learning since arriving at that university, but I know one of the requirements is Middle Egyptian. As a student who is primarily interested in Northwest Semitic, he has had the opportunity to learn all of those languages. All of this is to say that you probably don't have to pigeonhole yourself.
+If you want to study Akkadian, it's usually recommended that you learn an easier Semitic language first, like Hebrew or Syriac. With an understanding of one Semitic language, you'll have a few cheat codes for Akkadian. If you want to study Egyptian, from what I understand you can jump right in. There is no expectation of prior language experience. For Coptic, I have seen places that require or strongly suggest prior experience with Koine.
+>What factors did you consider when choosing your field of study?
+I initially was studying science, and I dropped out of that major in the first semester. Then, I gradually fell into a deep depression. During that time, I took a class on ancient epic poetry. I really enjoyed the Epic of Gilgamesh, but I also enjoyed Homer and Vergil. I dropped out and later re-enrolled in school, and instead of studying something that would lead directly to a high paying job or even graduation, I decided to take classes I would enjoy. I wouldn't necessarily suggest simply doing what your passionate about. In fact, I would recommend choosing languages to study strategically. But that's I ended up where I am.
+--- 21956395
+>>21955533
+The "woman" I was referring to was the lead latin professor at soon-to-be my university, not Anne Mahoney. It is a great coincidence that at both of our universities the Latin teacher is a troon. I did not realise it was you who posted that picture of that "woman" haha
+
+To give you a brief summary of the languages per specialty at my university for context
+Assyriology: Cuneiform script, Akkadian, Sumerian and Hittite are all taught and of course history and culture.
+Egyptology: Classic Egyptian, Middle Egyptian New Egyptian, Coptic, Hieroglyphs.
+I am decently familiar with Latin, Koine. 3 other PIE languages I am fluent in.
+
+Would it be wisest to study the Cuneiform languages first in a formal setting? I suppose that quality study material will be more difficult to find than that of the Egyptian languages. Furthermore, Egyptian languages strike me as easier due to the linear progression from Classic Egyptian up till Coptic and the use of hieroglyphs
+--- 21956697
+>>21953901
+What is it?
+--- 21956844
+>>21956395
+>Would it be wisest to study the Cuneiform languages first in a formal setting?
+Absolutely, definitely yes. Study cuneiform in a formal setting while you have the opportunity, if that's something that interests you, and it sounds like it does. You are correct about the relative abundance of Egyptian resources and the lack of cuneiform ones. You might want to consider Ugaritic as a stepping stone, but you might not have a particular interest or the time for it in. The same goes for Hebrew, which I mentioned earlier. Even so, I would imagine there are some non-Jewish (non-Semitic language knowing) freshman that study Akkadian from the get-go. Maybe, you know such people.
+Since you bring up Coptic specifically, I will say I've heard one of my Greek profs rant a few times about how difficult Coptic is. He knows Greek, Latin, and Middle Egyptian, yet Coptic stumps him. I've met one person who says it's easy, and the other two Coptic knowers I know say it is very hard. Don't count on Coptic being easy, but it is easier to find Coptic classes and resources than Akkadian ones.
+--- 21957278
+>>21953168
+depends on your definition
+--- 21957402
+>>21956697
+Sebastiane

lit/21944681.txt

@@ -328,3 +328,114 @@ I don't know specifically but what I do know is this
 >Cap pens are underrated
 >Twist pens are classy
 >Click pens are shit
+--- 21953937
+>>21953255
+>>21953222
+--- 21953941
+>>21944965
+apparently it's more healthy to write with fatter pens, see drawing tablet pens; everyone recommend fatter pens for long term us
+--- 21954212
+>>21953255
+>>21953937
+Why is blue better than black?
+--- 21954251
+>>21945056
+Only choice.
+--- 21954271
+pencils are still better
+--- 21954360
+>>21944681 (OP)
+Uni-ball vision needle 
+
+if I am feeling fancy I have a TWSBI Vac700-EF with sepia ink
+--- 21954403
+>>21951981
+Depends on the kind of writing the person is doing.
+Someone who is into calligraphy or penmanship and sees writing itself, as in the the aesthetic possibilities of putting letters on the page, as a art form of it's own might want a better tool for that pursuit then the cheapest thing they can get their hands on.
+Those just using pen and paper as a means to the end of getting ideas out will probably only care that the pen works.
+And different still will be someone's doing inking or line art.
+And different yet again for someone doing the hand lettering and layout of something.
+
+Different tools for different goals.
+Me personally I like a pen that plays nicely with water since the main time I use pen is to take field notes when hiking or volunteering at the trails.
+--- 21954430
+>>21954271
+I love a good mechanic pencil as a primary workhorse but sometimes you just need to use a pen.
+--- 21954433
+>>21953255
+Why?
+--- 21954896
+>>21954212
+>>21954433
+There are two main reasons to use blue ink. 
+1. Blue ink stands out more against the page of black ink. It makes the signature clearly defined. 
+2. Blue ink will show that the copy is the original. The blue ink will show an original while basic copying will leave the signature black. 
+This is a basic point of order in life. Like knowing how to tie a tie, or tuck in a shirt.
+--- 21954948
+>>21945056
+Ole' reliable. Used this thing on a fucking sailboat for a year and it still wrote. 
+>TFW my grandpa actually knew Biro and Bich and they both offered to work with him but he declined because he thought ballpoint pens were stupid
+--- 21954970
+>>21944681 (OP)
+Any other rOtring bros?
+--- 21954981
+>>21953189
+Oh so you're American
+--- 21955180
+absolutely fucking not funny bananas that nobody has said Papermate Flair
+--- 21955898
+>>21954981
+No, I was born in London and lived in Palermo and Zurich as a child. I live in NYC now but am not a US citizen.
+--- 21955940
+>>21953167
+>acktually im an aristocrat, we actually use sharpies to sign the checks for our rape baby orgies
+--- 21955957
+how comes no one has posted caran d'ache 849 yet
+--- 21957192
+This one
+--- 21957314
+>>21944681 (OP)
+this beauty
+--- 21957345
+>>21944681 (OP)
+last post best post and /thread
+--- 21957525
+Lamy 2000
+--- 21957579
+Fuck every single B*c crystal enjoyer in this thread, they’re needlessly thin, break easily, and I cant even count how many times those fuckers used to explode and leak everywhere in my old school blazers. They should be banned.
+--- 21957600
+This is probably the one I use the most right now. With faber-castell ink but most of my inks are Noodler's, various waterproof colors. There's a set named after Russian authors which is good.
+
+But writing is best done with a keyboard. Pens are beautiful and fun and I have like 10 on my desk right now. But they're best for limited, artistic, and deliberate use for pleasure. Writing huge quantities of text (and editing it over and over) is really a computer-based job.
+--- 21957611
+>>21944681 (OP)
+I have a selection of go-tos depending on (1) how much writing I intend to do and (2) what I'm writing on.
+
+The top one in picrel is a gel rollerball like the top one in OP's pic. I wish I could remember the brand I used to use in the UK (which looked identical to OP's) - it was sublime, but this 0.7mm from Pentel is a close second.
+
+Next up, the Mont Blanc - over-rated, scratchy, but seems to be very good with 100gsm / acid-free paper. 
+
+The king, the one I always use for important or lengthy writing, is the Waterman. Very fine nib, but flows so smoothly, even after 30 years.
+
+The disposable V-Pen fountain pen is unbelievable - so smooth, with a fat nib, and cheap as chips. Highly recommend.
+
+Finally, I do like the Muji roller balls. This one here is a 0.5mm, but I also like the 0.38m. Some people prefer the 0.7mm variant, but those people are wrong. The only problem with the Mujis is that they are pretty pricey for what they are, and they do seem to fail sometimes - they are not a very durable pen, so you can get a scratchy/locked up tip.
+
+OP - what brand is that gel rollerball at the top of your pic?
+--- 21957627
+>>21944986
+you need many more colors if you do notecard writing and filing and want (close to) a guarantee at contrasting colors in successive entries. even with the 20-30 colors i'm operating with it's not a lock
+--- 21957642
+>>21957600
+Writing and editing are two very different processes, and you should perform them separately. With a word processor you too easily enter the doom loop of endless 'wrediting'. 
+
+1. Write your compositions long-hand.
+
+2. Do the first one or two rough edits longhand too. 
+
+3. Next, read your draft without a pen anywhere close to hand, so that you are forced to just READ.
+
+When you know you're going to need to transcribe everything to a word processor to finish the editing process, it helps to focus the mind and achieve the best and most succinct writing before you commence editing in earnest. The act of transcription also requires you to read the draft as a reader would, and you gain valuable insights into tempo, flow and unintended ambiguity (like picrel).
+--- 21957651
+>>21944965
+No, it's dogshit to write with because the ballpoints are dogshit. It's not a pen for serious writers. You have no business using one of these unless you wear brown shorts to work and drive a truck with no door, or you're a shift foreman on a building site with a pocket protector and a moustache and secretly think of yourself as an intellectual.

lit/21947134.txt

@@ -228,3 +228,234 @@ Not a materialist btw.
 Because materialism is the midwits' kingdom and /lit/ is full of them, as is the nature of any public forum. 
 Todays mascots of materialism, the Dennets and Dawkinses, display such a disregard for serious scholarship that one doesn't even know where to start critiquing their positions. They have caricaturesque ideas about religion, spiritual traditions and (non-analytic) philosophy, clearly lifted from shallow popular treatments.
 Same psychology is at work in a major part of /lit/izens who love the battleground action of defending strong opinions on books they never read and aren't even particularly interested in.
+--- 21953806
+>>21947537
+Is /sci/ good for math?
+--- 21953896
+Because there is only one metaphysics and that is naturalism. 
+
+Spiritualism is ALL bull.
+--- 21953915
+>>21947605
+>Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs.
+Needless to say, even I am convinced that you are low iq and can't make a good argument for this without referring to an authority
+--- 21953931
+>>21953636
+>Exact opposite is true.
+A truly religious person would either be stuck in a semi-medieval shithole with no access to anything that matters, or confined to a mental hospital (try to suggest a crusade, see what happens).
+And a lot of people who call themselves religious, are just larping. When they get sick, they go to a doctor, not a priest. They are materialist as fuck.
+--- 21954027
+>>21953931
+>. When they get sick, they go to a doctor, not a priest. They are materialist as fuck.
+It's one of my fondest wishes to snatch a few of these people, put them on lie detection tech and then later truth serum drugs, and have them explain to me why it is, honestly, that they persist in the religious utterances.
+--- 21954035
+>>21953931
+>>21954027
+I feel like the non-materialists who inhabit /lit/ generally give a poor example of who they are supposed to represent.
+--- 21954074
+>>21953735
+>the highest IQ country is 60% religious
+atheistbros... we got humiliated again
+--- 21954113
+>>21954074
+Buddhism confirmed as the big brain religion
+--- 21954118
+>>21954074
+>>21954113
+Singapore also has some of the strictest anti hatespeech laws in the world and three times as many muslims as germany 
+*thinking emoji*
+--- 21954135
+>>21947134 (OP)
+>This program of self-destruction is now being programmatically advanced by American pseudo-phenomenologists such as Daniel Dennett, whose ‘heterophenomenology’ no longer even takes account of Husserl’s most basic phenomenological distinction - between phenomena as such and ‘objects’. Instead they confuse phenomena with objects co-posited as pre-given entities independent of consciousness - and then use such objects to ‘explain’ consciousness. This is the very opposite of phenomenology. It seems then, that Husserlian phenomenology, with its challenge to the unthought presuppositions of ‘The European Sciences’ – the ‘objective’ sciences - has now itself become an object of intellectual subversion by a reductionistic and scientological pseudo-phenomenology of consciousness.
+oh no no no no
+--- 21954141
+>>21953735
+>almost 100% of the correlation is due to Africa and Latin America
+>soi atheists accidentally becoming race realist nazis in their attempt to own le christkeks
+--- 21954160
+>>21954074
+>>21954118
+that special moment when anti-semitic and racist Christian (jew worshipping) Neo-Nazi is reduced to extolling Muslims for their High IQ as the only example of intelligent persons entertaining their jewish theology.
+--- 21954178
+>>21954160
+>anti-semitic and racist 
+Israel's IQ is dragging down the IQ of its bracket
+--- 21954220
+>>21954178
+i'm just pointing out the extreme paradox, my little friend.
+--- 21954256
+>>21954141
+>spirituality is literally niggerism
+--- 21955556
+>>21953634
+Thanks for your input, Shlomo.
+--- 21955570
+>>21953735
+This shows nothing other than blacks are dumb lmaoooooo
+--- 21955577
+>>21949352
+no u
+--- 21955582
+>>21947134 (OP)
+>you're either a materialist or a christcuck!
+You guys know there are alternatives to materialism that dont rely on religion, right?
+--- 21955594
+>>21955582
+and all of them are weak
+--- 21955629
+>>21949683
+I have become really bored of philosophy of mind because the major issue of the field, whether consciousness is reducible to purely material states or not, only has solutions that rely on going back and forth with premises each side denies. People like Searle and Chalmers claim that conscious experience has actual content and is a legitimate point of data while people like Dennett claim its just an elaborate illusion that cannot be verified scientifically. Since Dennett won't accept any claim which cant be verified from a third person perspective, any kind of proof for the validity of conscious experience is impossible from his point of view by its very nature (consciousness is first person). At the same time any materialist explanation someone like Dennett gives to solve the hard problem of consciousness will just be denied as only giving a third person account of something that by its nature is first person. There is nothing left to do on either side but to retreat to your own preferred premises and circle jerk them. Its an interesting subject to read about at first but once you're familiar with the major positions it basically becomes an argument about theology.
+--- 21955645
+>>21955594
+I think panpsychism has pretty solid arguments in its favour, at least if you accept that qualia actually exist.
+--- 21955659
+>>21955645
+Every view has solid arguments in its favor. That's why you have to look at arguments for or against panpsychism. A big argument against panpsychism is that it's retarded and doesn't explain anything. 
+
+That counts more than the arguments for it, which is that it doesn't have the problems associated with explaining how conscious beings are constructed out of non-conscious matter, but that's because it just sweeps that question under the rug and replaces it with a dumber one based on more dubious questions (why do conscious particles only constitute conscious composite objects some of the time?)
+
+Also panpsychism is explicitly a physicalist materialist program, so you're a moron who doesn't know anything about philosophy of mind. The whole panpsychist gambit is to say that actually conscious properties ARE the fundamental physical properties, so physicists have been studying consciousness this whole time weeheee we're not anti-psychicalists
+--- 21955667
+>>21955659
+>why do conscious particles only constitute conscious composite objects some of the time?)
+All particles are conscious. The actual question is why its "divided" into local parts. To explain this you need some kind of metaphysical framework
+--- 21955686
+Why do people dismiss Dennet when he claims to be, essentially, a philosophical zombie?
+
+Why don't we just believe him? His entire worldview makes sense if he was born with some sort of brain deficiency or something, and he's completely unconscious. He just can't understand what subjective experience is like, because he has none. 
+
+I believe him.
+--- 21955709
+>>21955659
+>panpsychism is explicitly a physicalist
+Not in the traditional sense its not. Panpsychists are arguing for something very different from traditional physicalists. You can play the semantics game and claim its actually "physicalist" because it makes consciousness a part of the physical world but the ontological implications of that are very different from those associated with traditional physicalism. Also, it doesn't "sweep" the problem of consciousness under the rug it posits it as a fundamental component of matter. That's like saying that we are sweeping the problem of gravity under the rug because we cannot explain where it comes from or why it exists.
+--- 21955757
+>>21955659
+You have a warped view of panpsychism. Consciousness exists ALL OF THE TIME, it just exists at higher levels as complexity increases. According to a panpsychist even subatomic particles possess consciousness. I agree that how lower level consciousness combines to form discrete experience is a major problem for the viewpoint but this is a lot less problematic than conscious experience coming out of something which has literally none.
+
+Also calling panpsychism physicalism is a bit retarded. You and I both know its a radical departure from what we refer to when we talk about physicalism. If we take physical things to be anything that exists then the term becomes meaningless and basically any position in the philosophy of mind that posits that something exists is physicalist.
+--- 21955793
+>>21955667
+I presupposed that all particles were conscious in the formation of my question. learn to read. 
+
+>>21955709
+I didn't say it sweeps "the problem of consciousness" under the rug because i specified multiple problems for consciousness, including one that panpsychists are gleeful about not having to try and answer anymore, namely 
+>how conscious beings are constructed out of non-conscious matter
+even though they're faced with a stupider version of the same question, 
+>why do conscious particles only constitute conscious composite objects some of the time
+learn to read. 
+
+>>21955757
+yyeah, talking about "levels of consciousness" is retarded. sorry. also if you don't like calling panpsychism physicalism you must hate panpsychists because thats like a core tenant of the project.
+
+I mean Goff is a russellian monist and russellian monism IS physicalism since everything that has mental properties has physical properties and vice versa
+--- 21955797
+>>21955793
+>>why do conscious particles only constitute conscious composite objects some of the time
+They dont only do it some of the time. The question is, once again, how precisely the division works. If a neocortical pattern is one such entity then the question is why and how its boundaries function.
+--- 21955811
+>>21955797
+oh, so tables and chairs are conscious? i guess you disagree with all the leading panpsychists then
+--- 21955819
+>>21955793
+>I mean Goff is a russellian monist and russellian monism IS physicalism since everything that has mental properties has physical properties and vice versa
+This is stupid semantics. Yes, panpsychism is physicalist in the sense it supposes consciousness is a thing that exists in physical matter. Nonetheless, there is a huge ontological difference between what we normally call physicalism and panpsychism and I don't see a problem with referring to them as different positions.
+
+>yyeah, talking about "levels of consciousness" is retarded
+I don't see how its any more retarded than hard emergence.
+--- 21955822
+>>21947134 (OP)
+because it's easier to understand something and explain it if you actually believe it exists
+--- 21955844
+>>21955811
+The chair is made up of conscious entities. The chair itself is very unlikely to be a single such entity. It depends on what theory of synthesis you believe in
+--- 21955850
+>>21955686
+Because non entities can’t have ideas of their own
+--- 21955855
+>>21955844
+Yeah DUH. So now ask why the human body, also made up of conscious entities, is different, and turns out to in fact be conscious. Think long enough and you'll realize you're asking the same question everyone else has been for centuries, just bogged down with unhelpful premises. 
+
+>>21955819
+ok, then "Hard emergence" is retarded too. Look at you, thinking like a philosopher. So proud of you Jason.
+--- 21955880
+>>21955855
+>ok, then "Hard emergence" is retarded too.
+Unless you are in favour of eliminativism it would seem that we are stuck between two retarded positions.
+--- 21955900
+>>21955686
+But Dennett doesn't believe in p-zombies, or that he doesn't "experience qualia". His entire point is that "qualia" is a meaningless term. Hell, the entire point of the p-zombie is to defend idealism as a philosophical project, not as an actual serious neurological theory.
+
+This is because he does ironically suffer from a brain deficiency (he was born autistic and then got hit in the head, which apparently made him normal).
+--- 21955916
+>>21955855
+>the human body, also made up of conscious entities, is different, and turns out to in fact be conscious. Th
+What is concious is a pattern of electrical signals in the brain, presumably. And idk local cohesion of some sort?
+--- 21955931
+There is one thing greater than consciousness. What do consciousness and unconsciousness have in common?
+
+Whatever you may be, you are still me.
+--- 21955976
+>>21955855
+>Think long enough and you'll realize you're asking the same question everyone else has been for centuries, just bogged down with unhelpful premises
+Its not really the same question, the framing of the ontology is different. If panpsychism is true, the thing we call consciousness is now an emergent property of some kind of proto-conscious property that lower entities possess. This makes it akin to how fundamental particles can create planets, even if the properties present in the planet is not present in the fundamental particles by looking at the interaction of all the different components that make up a planet starting from fundamental particles. For a panpsychist "consciousness" is the same as a fundamental particle. For a physicalist the question is how is conscious experience coming from something with no conscious experience whereas the question for a panpsychist is how does fundamental consciousness combine to create our consciousness.
+--- 21955980
+>>21955976
+*starting from fundamental particles we can work our way up to the properties of the planet.
+--- 21956020
+>>21955916
+wow thanks Karl Friston
+--- 21956027
+>>21955976
+yes, so you have the same task, of explaining why shit bumping around inside the skull in the right patterns coincides with conciousness. but now you have a "different" ontology because you made a bunch of retarded assumptions instead of being able to approach the question with an open mind. lol so you got nowhere
+--- 21956029
+>>21956020
+Not an argument
+--- 21956034
+>>21955880
+OMG! Based on a bunch of preconceptions about the relationship between mind and world, I'm forced to choose between nonsensical elaborations of my pretheoretical commitments! Whatever will I do? Just choose a random one and defend it on 4chan?
+--- 21956044
+>>21956029
+not an argument for or against what? I asked you a 'why' question and you started naming things you thought were conscious. Do you not speak english very well?
+--- 21956117
+>>21947605
+>hallucination doesn't exist
+--- 21956143
+>>21956027
+>yes, you have the same task
+The way each view executes this task is distinct which is my entire point. Also dismissing a view because you find its metaphysics implausible seems pretty close minded to me :)
+--- 21956191
+>>21955931
+You are me in the Brahman sense but in no other sense
+--- 21956193
+>>21956034
+Why do you type like such a faggot?
+--- 21956263
+>>21947134 (OP)
+Because I care about what makes me feel good and what is useful.
+--- 21956320
+>>21956191
+It was a riddle. It was not meant to be taken literally.
+--- 21956981
+>>21956193
+blow me pussy
+--- 21956982
+Hjb
+--- 21956986
+what else does one have?
+--- 21957147
+>>21953617
+>I don't understand what these guys mean
+>Trying to draw a connection between verifiable phenomena and dependent subjective ones is the same as a fairy tale!
+Great argument, you seem smart.
+--- 21957201
+>>21953617
+> the phenomenon of qualia has some mundane "physical", whatever that word is supposed to even mean, explanation. 
+>pretending not to understand what the word physical means
+O i am laffin
+--- 21957232
+>>21956981
+Youd like that wouldnt you, gay boy
+--- 21957263
+>>21947134 (OP)
+Because of those schizos: >>21947605

lit/21948360.txt

@@ -172,3 +172,36 @@ You clearly don’t understand the point I am making so I will explain it as sim
 >I was abusing intellectualism to cope with my own inferiority complexes and narcissism
 you still are
 Simple question, simple answer - What is better - a course that offers some Plato or one with none?
+--- 21953798
+>>21952090
+So why not post it?
+--- 21953810
+>>21953109
+Obviously neither are better or worse it all depends on other circumstances. A course that doesn’t teach any Plato is fine if everything else considered it teaches the student something valuable they will retain. Similarly an overview of philosophy or introduction to Plato is okay provided it’s presented well. The problem with the great books format is the framing and culture around it. It’s a total farce an ill conceived catholic reaction against mainstream secular education. Everything about it seems artificial and ultimately about appearances. This isn’t to say mainstream college education is good it isn’t but no university I’ve ever seen would present itself as teaching students the entire classical Greek cannon in freshman year because that’s ridiculous. Students won’t learn anything but the most surface level names and claims if that. These people are paying tens of thousands of dollars for the idea of something not anything with actual substance. It’s like something a person who never went to school imagines college to be.
+--- 21954857
+>>21948444
+>No Epic of Gilgamesh 
+>studying Plato and Aristotle before pre-Socratics 
+>studying Plato and Aristotle out of order 
+>studying Aquinas before Augustine and Avicenna 
+
+How difficult is to teach the western canon by CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER? Every work including the Bible has been influenced by previous works and this can be traced back to the beginning of literature therefore you should start at the beginning. It's not rocket science.
+--- 21954956
+>>21954857
+This
+>No Epic of Gigamesh before the Bible
+
+ngmi
+--- 21955423
+>>21948370
+>no xenophon 
+Trash
+--- 21956896
+>>21948370
+Way too much filler
+--- 21956914
+>>21948360 (OP)
+Marcus Aurelius was a hottie, unless the beard is hiding something. I can see it for Horace too.
+--- 21957547
+>>21951094
+that's a major issue because academia hasn't produced a modicum of worthy information and wisdom in over five decades.

lit/21948384.txt

@@ -409,3 +409,137 @@ So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
 since i'm a christcuck, i LOVE stories about beastiality, incest, descriptions of genitalia, you name it!
 --- 21953590
 Jew thread
+--- 21953909
+>>21953590
+tranny post
+--- 21953949
+>Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: But I will maintain mine own ways before him.
+them's fightin' words
+--- 21954168
+>>21951264
+I read the entire Bible cover to cover.
+It's a terrible idea.
+this anon >>21951924 is correct.
+--- 21954176
+>>21954168
+I should probably be more helpful and say
+Read the New Testament first. Then go through the historic Old Testament books like Genesis, Exodus, Kings, Daniel, etc and whenever you're getting a little tired of the history lessons read some the poetry, flowery stuff and advice like Psalms, Proverbs, Songs of Solomon, etc
+--- 21954193
+>As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
+>“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."
+Always gives me hope in dark times when bad things are happening to me.
+--- 21954196
+>>21954193
+I dont get it.
+--- 21954289
+But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
+
+18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
+
+
+and
+
+
+7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
+
+8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
+
+9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
+--- 21954301
+>>21952143
+someone's been reading stranger in a strange land
+--- 21954407
+>For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
+John 3:16
+>What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 
+He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things?
+Romans 8:31
+--- 21954538
+>>21953578
+There's one interpretation of the crime Ham committed that when he gazed upon his father's nakedness it actually refers to Noah's wife with then implying that Canaan is Ham's son hence his curse
+--- 21954713
+Am I the only one actually motivated by Job 7:1?
+
+> militia est vita hominis super terram et sicut dies mercennarii dies ejus
+--- 21954734
+Ezekiel 37:
+
+1 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, 2 and caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.
+
+4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6 and I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
+
+7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
+
+11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 and shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
+--- 21954775
+>The Lord is near to the broken-hearted, and saves the crushed in spirit.
+--- 21955110
+>>21951997
+Do not read any king james heretic bible. THanks.
+--- 21955126
+>>21952220
+No, it is not good at all. 
+
+
+For a trad Cath.
+
+
+And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.
+And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
+Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
+Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name.
+And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.
+He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart.
+He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble.
+He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
+He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy:
+As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.
+--- 21955277
+>>21955126
+not him but it's better than the douay rheims and I say this as a Catholic. I can forgive them for using the MT and not the LXX because something like the Psalms are the most beautiful written things in the English language, no other version comes close
+--- 21955281
+Corinthians 13 is the most beautiful writing in this world
+--- 21955296
+>>21953578
+Cry more you fuckin atheist cocksucker
+--- 21955324
+>>21955281
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX32Aj-5OVo&t=1m26s [Embed]
+I love this. This has done more to make me consider faith than 15 years of religion classes in school and weekly sunday masses until I was 12
+--- 21955413
+>>21948384 (OP)
+--- 21956375
+>>21954196
+When bad things happen in life (bad things beyond our control), this isn't because God hates us or is punishing us. It's so that the works of God may be displayed in us. God will make things better. We just need to have faith as the blind man did and God will bless us for enduring our hardships
+--- 21956580
+>>21954713
+Awesome.
+--- 21956660
+>>21955413
+favorite verse right there.
+--- 21956675
+>As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth. For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more. But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children - Psalm 102 (103): 15-17
+
+Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God - Psalm 145 (146): 3-5
+--- 21956695
+>>21948384 (OP)
+>>21948388
+fuckin gay, this entire thread and all these "amazing" verses, you'd have to be a churchgoer to let these MCU tier lines affect you
+--- 21956739
+And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: and with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood. And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time. And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water. And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again. Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there. And Elijah said unto Ahab, Get thee up, eat and drink; for there is a sound of abundance of rain.
+
+1 Kings 18:31-41
+--- 21956748
+>>21956695
+if they're MCU tier but 2000+ years before MCU then what does that tell you
+--- 21956765
+>>21956695
+I pity you and all who are like you. God have mercy on you and all your ilk.
+--- 21956786
+>>21956765
+>if you have tear, me wipe tears, welcome to heaven palace fren
+wowwwwwwwww
+--- 21957758
+>>21956786
+>>21956695
+your dilation is overdue discord cuck

lit/21949304.txt

@@ -39,3 +39,22 @@ Boy howdy, litRPGs are really good for word/page count filler aren't they?
 --- 21953302
 >>21949304 (OP)
 How much do I have to wait until AI will generate porn images of real historical female figures?
+--- 21953964
+>>21949305
+<3
+--- 21954026
+>>21953302
+Well you could just feed Stable Diffusion15-30 images of the person you want to train, you can do this locally by using Lora's or Hypernetwork's, I don't play with RL Models just Weeb Models but I replicated a Character from an Anime I liked and the Lora managed to keep it's style only trained with 15 images. So nothing is really stopping you there's already a bunch of AI porn models out there to get you started.
+--- 21954029
+>>21952183
+I wouldnt worry about it
+--- 21954134
+>>21954026
+I don't have a PC and I don't think I can do it with my phone.
+--- 21955356
+>>21949304 (OP)
+Venetian Blinds
+--- 21956060
+>>21949304 (OP)
+>>21949304 (OP)
+I can't, however, here in Argentina a guy named Jorge Carrión co-wrote a book with GPT-2 and 3. That's the closest I got

lit/21949531.txt

@@ -113,3 +113,37 @@ not WW1, but a good book
 >/lit/ contrarians will deny this because too mainstream
 --- 21953656
 the war parts of War and Peace
+--- 21954034
+Read Thucydides and Livy
+
+/thread
+--- 21954550
+>>21952944
+Yeah you can't get it anywhere because /pol/ faggots love this book, so it naturally got kicked out of print. Sucks, because it is one of the most unique war books I have ever read.
+--- 21954558
+>>21953277
+I've been posting in /k/ about it. So if you see somebody posting FFL related shit there, you know it's me. I'm planning on going sometime next year after I get my Associates degree.
+--- 21954891
+I enjoyed this book. A russian journalist gets drafted for the 1st chechen war, writes about it, and voluntarily enlists foe the 2nd. Pretty good, gruesome shit. Makes me glad I wasnt there.
+--- 21954898
+For comedy, Catch-22.
+--- 21956253
+>>21954891
+I've heard amazing things about this book basically being the post Cold War version of All Quiet on the Western Front, and funny enough I actually learned about it from that Chechen War shitpost. Been on my list for a while and I'm glad somebody else remembered.
+--- 21956310
+>>21949531 (OP)
+Knights Under the Prophets Banner. It was Zawahiri's autobiography written before he took over Al-Qaeda. It recounts his student years, his involvement in a revolution attempt in Egypt, the Sadat assasination, prison torture and eventually his involvement with Al-Qaeda. Another good one is Southside Provisional by Kieran Conway, a senior figure in the Provisional IRA and it's intelligence department responsible for the bombing campaign in England. Then we have Che's diaries, which are always fun to read if you can get your hands on them. I love guerrilla literature because it's an experience of war that's fundamentally different from the uniformed soldier. For one, the experience of having to hide in the civilian population, staying underground, maintaining fake identities and having no genuinely safe place to gather openly, living in constant fear of a SWAT team kicking down your door or a death squad annihilating your family. It makes you wonder, why would anyone willingly choose that kind of life?
+--- 21956379
+>>21956310
+Holy shit that's awesome. Premise reminds me a lot of Vo Nguyen Giap's Military Art of People's War. Definitely putting that on the list.
+--- 21956964
+>>21954891
+A great book.
+--- 21957010
+best gulf war literature in pic related
+--- 21957375
+>>21949576
+I hated it
+--- 21957376
+>>21957010
+Based and Fedpilled.

lit/21949579.txt

@@ -244,3 +244,247 @@ I've never seen a successfull randist. No, 2000 karma on r/atheism isn't success
 --- 21953770
 >>21953654
 There is literally a single type of successful randians - nouveau riche dipshits who lucked out into their petty wealth and then need to retroactively invent a belief why they deserve it. All serious people are some sort of weird combination of technocrats and ecofascists, or even marxists who turn the table and say "capital is good, actually".
+--- 21953977
+>>21953654
+Its same as saying i have never seen a succsessfull communist.
+--- 21953992
+>>21953977
+Yes it shouldn't need to be said considering how retarded both are but here we are
+--- 21954014
+Should I start with AS or Fountainhead?
+--- 21954053
+>>21954014
+Start with Funtainhead. I read Atlas first and am about to finish Fountainhead today. I think foubtainhead might be the better book overall. Atlas is taking place all over the world, while Fountainhead is USA only. Start with the "smaller" book. Its fucking great, dont let the parasites discourage you.
+--- 21954066
+>>21949579 (OP)
+I still like Anthem, but after high school and I decided to do more psychedelics. I feel like I was less empathetic and wound up gaining that. Now I'm a commie SJW desu
+--- 21954071
+Arguing about Ayn Rand is the oldest and most authentic form of internet culture. Glad to see it is still alive.
+--- 21954101
+>>21950078
+>>21950026
+>>21951935
+>>21952517
+It's sad to see you seethe at people who want a better world. Private property is a plague from white people. We come from nothing, are nothing, and return to nothing. There is no need to own property in this transitory existence. It's your own selfish egos who do not want to help your kin
+--- 21954105
+>>21954101
+>Private property is a plague from white people.
+Is this a cope for you shitskins and ur failures as a civilisation?
+--- 21954112
+>>21953156
+Stop sucking leech cock
+Stop acting like landlords are here to help
+They take your money and do fuck all on the property you live on with it
+There's enough land to live on, but wealth hoarders would rather claim it as their own then give people means to live
+--- 21954114
+>>21954105
+Every indigenous or spiritual culture understands that we are of the earth and its bounty should be shared. Inbred kings and queens want to stuff their faces and coffers while people suffer
+--- 21954124
+>>21954112
+>Thinks he is entitled to someone elses property for free which they paid and worked for.
+>Calls someone else a leech.
+Again, get a job nigger. And learn to handle ur finance better so u can actually buy ur own property.
+>>21954114
+Which is why those indigenous people or spiritual culture live up to 30-40 years old before they die to some disease or starvation. You are using a device that was created on private property by a white man little shitskin hypocrite. If you dont like it why dont you go back to using smoke signals to communicate like those cultures used to.
+--- 21954153
+>>21952676
+>Go tell your mommy you thick skinned rugged individualist, kek
+Don't really need to read more then that to figure out it's a waste of time communicating with someone so childish and antagonistic.
+How about you deal with what your issues are and grow up a little before trying to have grown up conversations.
+--- 21954163
+>>21952798
+By all definitions of the word it isn't a commun. You're confusing commune for intentional community. All communes are intentionally communities but not all intentionally communities are communes.
+--- 21954171
+Radical individualism since the 80's has destroyed the west
+--- 21954179
+>>21954171
+You wanna blame someone for individualism then the 80s is the wrong year, that shit started with the french revolution.
+--- 21954197
+>>21954179
+nah, the type of individualism that fuelled neoliberalism became mainstream and tangible in the 80's. You can trace its ideological roots back in time, but it was in the 80's that it became a dominant ideology.
+--- 21954204
+>>21954101
+>>21954114
+You are talking out your ass.
+There are plenty of examples of Asian, middle Eastern, and even African civilizations that had the concept of private property. It's just that those rights were subject to the truth objective law of might, which is part of the reason Rand was in favor of something akin to a night watchman state that defended it's citizens property rights against invaders or strongmen military dictators declaring themselves kings.
+
+Even simple tribes that didn't have strong personal property rights had extreme strong tribal and clan property rights that they would war with other clans and tribes nearly constantly and extremely brutally over.
+--- 21954205
+>>21949579 (OP)
+Why do brainlets shill Rand so much instead of an at least somewhat respectable libertarian like Nozick?
+--- 21954449
+>>21954205
+Because this board favors things that count as literature and Rand created relatively popular narrative books that got mainstream attention that also explained in detail her particular philosophy.
+Nozick didn't and is more obscure as a result.
+--- 21954466
+>>21950026
+“The government causes every ill of capitalism” is the right wing equivalent of “that wasnt real communism”
+--- 21954506
+>>21954466
+>right wing
+>right wing
+>right wing
+Libertarians are literally liberals, anon.
+--- 21954511
+>>21954466
+none of you retards even know what capitalism even is
+you think modern economies, with fiat currencies and central banks, where the government is the biggest employer, is capitalism?
+
+we are already living in communism
+>centrally planned, collectively owned, monopolistic, government backed zombie corporations
+>who do not even have any products in the marketplace, but exist thanks to tax subsidies and government contracts
+modern corporations are exact fucking same as soviet bureaus and 'peoples department of', whole 'tech' sector like apple and google are the same old soviet 'national department of propaganda' equivalent 
+they exist because of government regulations, not because mom and dad shops and small business got promoted by the market 
+there is no market, we live in a socialist economy dominated by government departments larping as pseudo corporations 
+just like in soviet times where average prole was broke and the only way to advance was to marry into politburo/central committee, you cant start a business in our economy without being backed by the government
+--- 21954517
+>>21954511
+>we are already living in communism
+I refuse to believe there are people who sincerely think this
+--- 21954541
+>>21954517
+modern corporations are communism, there is a reason you cant respond with arguments instead of ad hominem to this
+>centrally planned
+>collectively owned (bitch you werent going to be the politburo central planner in communism either)
+>monopolistic 
+>virtually the same as the government because of all the lobbying and interconnections 
+>incompetent because they do not compete in free market 
+>have zero connections to any kind of market at all
+>exist thanks to tax subsidies and government contracts
+>their only 'product' is shadow banning, censoring and political pandering, not physical marketplace products, they are fucking politicians 
+
+we live in the fucking communism with different symbols 
+'communist china' on the other hand has less regulations and better ease of doing business 
+imagine having 80 iq and being confused by the fucking symbols, its as if i called my horse ferrari, jesus christ look at the thing for what it is
+--- 21954568
+>>21954541
+>we live in the fucking communism with different symbols 
+Based Marx was right as always.
+--- 21954606
+>>21954205
+Rand not only couches her though in classical subject-predicate logic, but her philosophy is contingent on it. Its all very Greek/Scholastic. Atheistic Thomism. So it doesn't require a "conversation" with the entire body of western thought to be intelligible, it simply proceeds from its axioms in a simple "if X then Y" fashion that anyone can pick up. 
+
+She was the last Greek.
+--- 21954640
+>>21954171
+The eighties were the last based decade though (including the capitalism). I don't know what you're talking about. Social programs (for example, the ones that lead to an increase in the cost of college and a decrease in the quality of students matriculating there) are the REAL devils here.
+--- 21954682
+>>21954114
+>le noble savage 
+
+honestly how is this still a thing?
+--- 21954703
+>>21952558
+'The only recourse of the Marxists consists of saying that the delays are simply longer than was imagined and that one day, far away in the future, the end will justify all'.
+--- 21954707
+>>21954101
+>It's sad to see you seethe at people who want a better world.
+Never trust people who want a “better” world.
+--- 21954708
+>>21954197
+>hippies were neo-liberals
+Really activates my almonds.
+--- 21954714
+>>21954568
+>Based Marx was right as always.
+'...without drawing the conclusions, as Marx does, that the German rebellion against Napoleon is explained only by the lack of sugar and coffee'.
+--- 21954784
+>>21954703
+Historical process is unjustifiable - it unfolds regardless of cultural superstructure that it is a product of it's own events.
+--- 21956158
+>>21954101
+Private property is the only thing keeping white people from being wiped out by giant feral hordes of not-white hominids.
+--- 21956180
+>>21956158
+It's unfair to nonwhite people to lump them in with anti private property c*mmunists. Most of them are not that retarded
+--- 21956183
+>>21954707
+this.
+Amazing how the ones talking about a "better world" are also the last one to die for that cause.
+--- 21956203
+>>21956180
+Most of them have socialist countries because they have been that retarded for 100 years and refuse to get onto the private-property-civilization train. They keep electing socialists and demanding more and more material stuff.
+--- 21956206
+>>21956183
+Because they want to live in the better world someone else made for them. They're not interested in making it better for "others" they claim to be fighting for. They're the others. We fight for them.
+--- 21956228
+>>21956203
+This is unironically in large part the fault of NATO though. Look I'm not saying their forms of governance are usually very good but they arent the ones who came up with communism and social democracy and similar memes. The only truly right wing(sort of) governments in existence today are the arab monarchies
+--- 21956235
+>>21949579 (OP)
+You are either putting the boots to others to live a better/easier life
+>or others WILL put the boots to you
+I'm 44 and if life has taught me anything, it is to be greedy and to be as selfish as possible. Don't think for a second that altruism will buy you any favours with people. All you need to do is pretend and that's good enough for 99.99% of people who will simply admire you for being rich, no matter how you got the money. Feed toddlers into a woodchipper to be a millionaire? Literally would not stop a single roastie from blowing you in your Mercedes.
+--- 21956238
+>>21956206
+How is this any different then "fighting for billionares and bussiness"? hell at least they give me the services I ask for
+--- 21956251
+>>21954517
+he has a point...No modern classic liberal is pro big bussiness, unless that big bussiness is alive thanks to actually innovating
+--- 21956264
+>>21956251
+>big 'business' is actually the government, that's what makes this business big, its the government
+>retards keep calling this government intervention "capitalism"
+how do i reach these kids?
+--- 21956273
+last time we had capitalism was at cowboy frontiers and medieval free cities and merchant republics in europe 
+modern economy is dominated by the big business, and big business is big because of the government meddling 
+
+unskilled, unemployable zoomzooms who bash capitalism dont understand that its not the capitalism that is making them poor, its the mixture of government monopolies (aka big business, lobbying, tax subsidies, govt contracts) that have historically only created famines and gulags
+and the second thing that makes the poors poor these days is that not even these poors would hire themselves to do any job because they are so unproductive and unskilled
+--- 21956288
+>>21956273
+You forget to mention how a house should not be 1+ million dollars. It is all 100% fake and gay slavery by design. NOT capitalism.
+--- 21956297
+>>21956273
+It's the combination of retarded regulation, idiotic lending, and currency debasement. An entire clusterfuck of fraud and dysfunction
+--- 21956307
+>>21956288
+if we had capitalism, you could just buy the fucking land 
+whatever the fuck you do on said land is your business
+if you want to build housing because there is astronomic demand, you could 
+but no... we dont have fucking capitalism
+we have communistic, centrally planned, collectively owned by 1% (politburo was 1% too), monopolistic, incompetent (because it does not compete, its monopolistic, people still dont get it) big business corporations
+
+we have to show to these kids that corporations are communism because big business corporations are just government monopolies (communism in action)
+--- 21956319
+>>21956307
+Yes, it is all fake, gay, and supported by the boomers who profit from mass immigration and the class war. The young of today have it SO MUCH WORSE than I did, and I was only born in 1978. I had it SO good growing up. After 2008 things started getting fucked, after COVID Canada is like a different fucking planet.
+--- 21956467
+>not a communist
+>hate the exploitative systems of power in the workplace and the corporate fatcats getting massive paychecks off the labour of the proletariat
+>also contribute to this system because I need dosh
+How am I supposed to reconcile these conflicting points
+--- 21956550
+>>21956467
+Vote RFK Jr
+--- 21956551
+>>21949579 (OP)
+Interestingly enough, the thing that Rand always got the most flak for was her cartoonishly evil villains who just wanted to make life worse for everyone purely out of spite, and it ended up being one of the truest depiction of what American leftists are in the current decade.
+--- 21956587
+>>21956273
+>>21956251
+so what would actual classical liberalism actually look like in practice, then, if it is not pro big business?
+--- 21956594
+>>21956587
+1830s America perhaps
+--- 21956768
+>>21954703
+>longer than was imagined
+it were said from the beginning
+you are only confirm lack of any idea of subject
+--- 21957154
+>>21956768
+How long?
+--- 21957187
+>>21956551
+That's a very good observation and it's why people flock to her philosophy. They see the truth in how humans really are... they're just evil and cruel.
+--- 21957604
+>>21949579 (OP)
+it's meant to be read like the talmud. you're supposed to be either jewish, or killed if a gentile.
+--- 21957719
+>>21954071
+Glad I read it recently so I can see when people give dumb arguments for and against the book. Kind of messed up that this shit has been going on for so long though. The book's end is actual dog water. However, I did enjoy the book overall
+--- 21957847
+>>21954101
+Lol smoke some more crack you fucking idiot

lit/21949606.txt

@@ -381,3 +381,126 @@ Then again the original egg intensive diet was from Gironda, who I'm quite sure
 --- 21953211
 >>21949606 (OP)
 One of the best bait threads ive seen
+--- 21953983
+>>21950165
+/thread
+--- 21954016
+>>21949628
+Yes.
+--- 21954166
+>>21949664
+>you faggots are all dishonest actors
+>gets filtered by Lolita
+kek
+kmao even
+--- 21954185
+>>21954016
+ebin
+--- 21954190
+eternal reminder
+--- 21954239
+>>21949606 (OP)
+Holy shit how can one fat Russian émigré be so based?
+--- 21954337
+>>21949606 (OP)
+Cave men would have grabbed Lolita by the hair and fucked a baby in her within an hour of making her acquaintance, whether she wanted it or not.
+--- 21954339
+>>21949664
+
+Go back to the bible you moron.
+--- 21954350
+>>21952911
+??? That talks about fags
+>inb4 they are the same
+I need something way clearer chief
+--- 21954732
+>>21950455
+>y-y-YOU ONLY FEEL THIS WAY C-CAUSE YOU WERE RAPED!!
+lol
+You know anon not everyone on this planet lives with a definition of
+>”self”
+Defined by their individual husk right??
+>>21950468
+>muh Mary was 13
+Yes anon do I’ve heard
+And Jesus was black 
+And he wasn’t born in the winter 
+And there are no historical records of him (except for the ones that show was a “false messiah” some how)
+And also he was just the product of ancient aliens spearing to humans in 30 bc cause muh heckin science
+Saw it on the history channel
+Must be true
+>>21950490
+>y-y-YOUR RETARDED!!!
+lol
+--- 21954733
+>>21951415
+>>>>>>>>a fucking plant native to North America was used in europe for most of European history
+Fucking lel
+--- 21954740
+>>21951529
+>>21951656
+>>21951667
+>>21951687
+>Y-YOUR FUCKING DUMB!
+>YOU DONT GET IT
+>>H-HES AXSHAULLY A BASED PEDO WRITER!! 
+>>FUCK U!!!
+All of you are failed experiments of evolution
+And all of your genes will be purged from nature in due time
+--- 21954748
+Lolita is the most beautiful book I have ever read
+--- 21954750
+>>21952669
+>Fuckin lol 
+>his humor was so le based and le edgy and totally ironic you dumb CHUDS!!
+If this seriously the line you want to go with the book is the literal equivilant of a dead baby joke and everyone who likes it the equivilant of the middle schoolers who laugh at that shit
+--- 21954759
+>>21954337
+If any did they would have been ripped the fuck apart and probably eaten after roasters over a spit by the girls father
+That’s the problem with pedo fags
+They appeal to 
+>”muh state of nature”
+Yet never have the balls to accept the rights to “unjustified” violence that comes with it
+--- 21954762
+>>21954326
+Equivilant logic of saying fucking a trap that “passes” isn’t gay
+--- 21954833
+>>21954740
+>of your genes will be purged
+Anon, if someone gets a 14 yo pregnant he would probably have a better offspring than someone that got a 25 yo inseminated, don't kid yourself
+--- 21954841
+>>21954759
+>f any did they would have been ripped the fuck apart
+>kill parents
+>take their children
+>fast forward a millenium
+>some celts raid a village, kill people and get the children
+>fast forward a couple of centuries
+>NOOOOOOOOOOOO REDDIT SAID YOU CAN'T DO THAT
+--- 21955213
+>>21950296
+we have to go back
+--- 21955255
+>>21949628
+Henry vII of England's mother was a child when she gave birth to him.
+Saint elizabeth of hungary was also very young when she was pregnant.
+Pedophilia was not illegal in the middle ages.
+--- 21955309
+>monarchy
+>cunny 
+>legal authority of husband
+...
+>democracy
+>wrinkly smelly girlbosses
+>they can ruin your life for looking at them wrong
+huh
+--- 21956046
+>>21954740
+>Pedo writer
+If you think that a person who writes a character with certain traits, must mean the author has those traits personally, you are confirmed retarded. As in, "what would you have felt like if you hadn't had breakfast yesterday" retarded. People can explore points of view in fictional characters without adopting those world views. Smarten up or shut up, you're shitting up this board.
+--- 21956795
+>>21949664
+Low effort Glowposter spotted
+--- 21957230
+>>21954759
+Trad larping pedo niggers are the right wing equivalent of "Greece was basically san francisco bro."

lit/21949907.txt

@@ -150,3 +150,33 @@ how do you even check that you're the right level of socialized
 --- 21953621
 >>21951042
 what's the point of so many people living and writing before me if i can't even get some precise guidelines for my exact situation which shouldn't even be that unique
+--- 21953903
+>>21951042
+>pick one
+Cattle mindset. Why would one even accept your shitty terms. I make my own questions and my own options
+--- 21953939
+>>21949907 (OP)
+Society of the spectacle by Guy Debord. Gives an articulate account of anti-consumeris.
+
+Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky, the book is too long so just watch the documentary
+
+Case studies in repression of intellectual decent (1971 iirc). Shows examples where state and private interests shutdown wrong think in academia.
+
+Don't have to be a commie or an anarchist for the first two btw, i'm not either but they still make good points.
+--- 21953993
+>>21951330
+Jean-Jacques Rousseau
+--- 21954328
+Where's The Right to be Lazy?
+--- 21954331
+>>21950979
+Juliette
+--- 21955382
+>>21952168
+Just read it its available online for free on his site. It's a straightforward framework and an easy read.
+--- 21957017
+>>21949907 (OP)
+Science's First Mistake
+and
+From Dawn To Decadence:
+>I do not expect the reader to be steadily grateful. Nobody likes to hear a rooted opinion challenged, and even less to see good reasons offered for a principle or policy once in force and now universally condemned—for example, the divine right of kings or religious persecution. Our age is so tolerant, so broad-minded and disinclined to violence in its ideologies, that to find a case made out for the temper of the 16th or 17th century is bound to affront the righteous. Yet without exposure to this annoyance, one's understanding of our modern thoughts and virtues is incomplete.

lit/21950245.txt

@@ -19,3 +19,17 @@ And? Are you that same Scottish fella that´s obsessed with mentioning this on e
 --- 21953706
 >>21952125
 Asf
+--- 21954346
+>>21953388
+Struck a nerve?
+--- 21955396
+>>21950245 (OP)
+There are three or four charts of this kind in the wiki. You have to dig deep into that origin section.
+--- 21955409
+>>21950245 (OP)
+I hate Irish "literature" so much bros
+--- 21955428
+>>21950245 (OP)
+--- 21956517
+>>21955396
+Thanks bro

lit/21950333.txt

@@ -544,3 +544,712 @@ I hate how basic the stormlight books are and how popular they are
 --- 21953663
 >>21952267
 isnt this haram in islam nation?
+--- 21953809
+>>21951945
+It's fun, jus expect generally shitty prose 
+The second era is pretty different, more industrial age cops and secret organizations than magic noblemen and tyrants, but still pretty cool
+--- 21953913
+>>21953663
+no, the quran allows you to show depictions of elric
+--- 21953981
+Why haven't you written your own fantasy novel yet, Anon?
+--- 21953986
+>>21953981
+For the same reason I haven't recorded any music, hand built my own guitars, made my own videogames
+Lots of ideas, zero drive
+--- 21954000
+>>21953981
+Because my shitty writing skills are not good enough to express the ideas in my head.
+--- 21954006
+>>21954000
+that didn't stop jk rowling and she's almost a billionaire
+--- 21954015
+/sffg/, it's the last day for BookDepository, they're shutting it down tomorrow. I already got 25 different books last week from it, anything else essential you'd recommend?
+--- 21954020
+>>21954015
+there are other ways to buy books you clown
+--- 21954036
+>>21953981
+I'm working on it, still coming to grips with the fact that it will be severely underappreciated in my lifetime but that's okay
+It's going to be one of the greatest novels the genre has ever seen, not just a great fantasy novel but a great novel in general
+--- 21954039
+>>21954020
+BD was good for me because I live in Serbia and when I ordered books from them I was never charged shipping or any extra taxes, regardless of how much book I ordered at once. Obviously, I will now have to find different online stores that offer the same, but I'm not holding my breath.
+--- 21954045
+>>21951167
+Coming from the guy who used three
+--- 21954048
+>>21950610
+I'd almost say Lord of the Mysteries but honestly it doesn't do the vibe of gaslamp very well and is more like a take on the nobility at the time.
+I recall one of the "Infinity Genre" (one overarching world plot, multiple smaller genre world visits) chinese novels had a very good one of those, but it only went on for like two hundred chapters before it went back to other stuff. Carefree Path of Dreams I think it was?
+--- 21954055
+>>21951055
+I thought Mysteries 2 was only up to chapter 96 so far?
+--- 21954057
+>>21951190
+You fucking fool. You fucking idiot. You stinking moron. The Greeks rode to battle on the fucking back of Dinosaurs, and when not at war lived harmoniously side by side with them. 
+
+It's literally the reason the Greeks invented the word "DINOTOPIA" you necessary suicide.
+--- 21954069
+>>21954057
+Hand stained with maple syrup wrote this post.
+--- 21954073
+How are the Folio Society editions of the Book of the New Sun?
+--- 21954079
+>>21954073
+Expensive and tasteless, as usual.
+--- 21954082
+>>21954079
+Really? I have no experience with Folio editions of any books, I was just looking up some BOTNS hardcover editions and came across those.
+--- 21954083
+>>21954057
+I believe this.
+Those theories they have on how phallanx warfare might have really looked are so clownish when you consider it really only makes sense in the context of combat involving large lizards
+--- 21954088
+>>21954082
+Specifically in the case of BOTNS I feel like having explicit pictures of the 'science' side of the science-fantasy takes away from what should be pieced together in the mind of the reader, as making those connections is part of the pleasure in reading it. And even having read it multiple times it just feels crude and defeats the point of the book.
+--- 21954106
+>>21951575
+Ursula LeGuin sucks balls and is only pushed by the same old TRUFAN convention cliques.
+
+Actually good women authors are: 
+Leigh Brackett who is a superb writer.
+Kaoru Kurimoto whose Guin Saga is good.
+Margaret St. Clair for the Sign of the Labrys. 
+C. L. Moore's Jirel of Joiry isn't bad. 
+Andre (Alice) Norton for her Witch World.
+--- 21954107
+>>21953480
+atleast wang was a net zero influence on the story, fucking xi or whatever her name was made every single wrong decision because muh love for humanity. also her rival the Wen? guy was the most mary sue character of all time, his motivation is also completely unclear as he was ready to kill her to save humanity but then later he wasnt ready to even just defy her? though the first book did spend an unbelievable amount of time in a literally empty world so eh could go either way
+--- 21954110
+>>21954088
+True, I imagine the part where Severian comes across the painting of an astronaut would be wasted if given the visuals up front rather than just reading and imagining what he's looking at.
+
+>The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in a desolate landscape. It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing a strange, stiff banner.
+
+>The visor of this figure's helmet was entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection, and nothing more.
+
+>This warrior of a dead world affected me deeply, though I could not say why or even just what emotion it was I felt. In some obscure way, I wanted to take down the picture and carry it - not into our necropolis but into one of those mountain forests of which our necropolis was (as I understood even then) an idealized but vitiated image. It should have stood among trees, the edge of its frame resting on young grass.
+--- 21954127
+>>21951183
+>Well paced and engaging 'progression fantasy' when?
+People would moan about the story being bloated before the MC even felt like he made progress, then. Not to mention that well paced and engaging progression fantasy implies party-based progression to me.
+--- 21954144
+>>21953913
+Alhamdulillah
+--- 21954275
+I'm trying to find a book that I read, but I don't know what to search for and I don't know where else to ask, so I figured I'd pay you guys a visit.
+
+I think it was by Asimov, and it's about a really fucking stressed-out space hauler or miner in a rust-bucket, flying solo even though he really shouldn't be flying solo, and all his trials and tribulations centered mostly around a specific space station, if memory serves.
+
+He's got like what I'd describe as PTSD (but that is never describe in the book) and his family dying and shit like that, and I think the whole thing ends with him signing on with this other "family" and getting a crew again and whatnot, after meeting some woman.
+
+Ring any bells to anyone?
+--- 21954285
+>>21953981
+I have but nobody wants to read it
+--- 21954306
+>>21954110
+New fans aren't buying folio editions of BotNS. They're for people who already know all of that shit and want a pretty book.
+--- 21954327
+>>21954275
+Doesn't sound like Asimov at all, but rather something like Gateway by Frederik Pohl
+--- 21954335
+>>21953986
+Come on Anon, pick one and stick with it you have greatness in you!
+
+>>21954000
+You only getting better at writing by writing, Anon!
+
+>>21954036
+I look forward to reading your novel Anon
+
+>>21954285
+Tell us Anon, what is your novel about?
+--- 21954341
+not again
+this isn't the writing thread.
+--- 21954408
+Time to post the
+>last book you read
+>current book you're reading
+>next book you plan to read
+
+>Consider Phlebas and Corpse Factory
+>The Player of Games
+>Maybe The Use of Weapons
+--- 21954428
+>>21954408
+>last book you read
+Artemis Fowl 8
+>current book you're reading
+Alternating between Fellowship of The Ring and The Way of Kings
+>next book you plan to read
+Probably The Two Towers
+--- 21954471
+>>21954408
+>last book
+Oathbringer
+>Current
+Gardens of the Moon
+>Next
+Deadhouse Gates
+--- 21954483
+>>21954408
+>last
+Alien: River of Pain
+>current
+Alien: Out of the Shadows
+>next
+All the Alien novels, including all the Aliens omnibuses
+--- 21954513
+>>21954408
+>last book you read
+Revelation Space - I liked it and am gonna read the other books by Reynolds. 
+>current book you're reading
+Sabriel - I never thought I would ever really enjoy reading a book with a female protagonist, but here we are. Wish there was more info on the Old Kingdom though, maybe it does talk about it further in.
+>next book you plan to read
+Silmarillion - I want to reread it as it's been a while.
+--- 21954518
+>>21951137
+I've recently read Bakker and this became my favorite author. Made me look intro the crusades and I was shocked how similar the first crusade is to the first holy war. Concerning the mesopotamian names here are some examples.
+>Namtar means Pestilence, it is also the most cruel of demons
+>Ea means the Earth
+>Nin-Gélal is the lady of countries/land (Dame des Pays in french)
+>Nin-dar is a strong warrior, and also a god
+The stairs with the seven steps is also a mesopotamian figure which represent the path the souls take in the afterlife. I'm pretty sure there's emphasis on the stairs at the end of the UC in the golden room. 
+While we're talking names, Golgotterath is based on the hill the christ was crucified on, Golgotha (If like me you don't know anything about theology and are trying to learn about it).
+--- 21954521
+>>21953981
+I’m too distracted by video games and women.
+--- 21954535
+>>21954513
+Sabriel is a great femprotag and mogs most other women protags.
+--- 21954547
+>>21954107
+Thing is, Chiang Xin is completely justified in her actions, its just that she didn't get the memo that she is a character in a doom-dark novel. Her not activating the signal was the correct choice in that situation - like literally why would you assume that a civilization, which with word of the author capital T Truth was described as getting humanized and egalitarian, choose to do le funni Australia Jewish ghetto? Far better to just let everyone live and have humanity become the secondary species of Earth, instead of blowing Earth up. Not to say that it isn't infuriating, but the actual idiots are humanity, not her. For both making this fucking idiotic system where the entire first strike depended on a single person (Trisolarans would literally win the second the Swordholder would get a natural health emergency), and for then failing to keep in mind that if you do need a new Swordholder, it can only be a dead-eyed psycho. As for the second decision to refuse Wades plan, that was also correct from her point of view at the time - would you really risk a psycho blowing up 99% of humanity in order to give humanity FTL, that, at least from your current knowledge, is not necessary for humanities survival? Again, the only reason it was a dumb move was because a) it's a dark novel and b) because humanity was too stupid to figure out the existence of a dual vector foil, thus the belief that it was already saved.
+--- 21954566
+>>21954408
+>last read
+The Night Land by William Hope Hodgson
+>currently reading
+Conan The Barbarian Omnibus by Robert E Howard
+>plan to read
+The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe
+--- 21954569
+>>21954557
+I don't know, what's a sooner?
+--- 21954573
+>>21954569
+>inb4 phoneposting
+I meant zoomer
+--- 21954574
+>newfag phoneposter uses newfagisms
+#whoa
+--- 21954580
+>>21954573
+If you were wondering why I was reading Artemis Fowl at 31 it was for nostalgia's sake since I read those books when I was a kid
+And I never read LOTR because, dunno why, but better late than never
+--- 21954585
+>>21954518
+>likes poopoo gay sex book
+Hard pass for me, lad.
+--- 21954589
+>>21954408
+>>last book you read
+last castle by vance
+great vance novel, extremely entertaining and humorous as usual. also very short and sweet and surprisingly compelling for something so short
+
+>>current book you're reading
+lord demon by zelazny. zelazny writes well and it's a very creative story. according to my kindle i'm 67% in and after a bit of a slump the plot progression has picked up again. but before that slump it was a real page turner, always something interesting happening.
+ 
+>>next book you plan to read
+this immortal by zelazny or maybe the broken sword if i want to take a break from zelazny, because i'm also listening to chronicles of amber on audiobook (i've read it before and i can't be arsed to reread)
+--- 21954598
+>>21954574
+I’ve been lurking and posting on 4chan since 2008. I’m phone posting because I do not have access to my PC at the moment. Also, zoomer is simply a contemporary term, whether you accept it or not.
+--- 21954602
+>>21951084
+It's driving me crazy finding a fantasy book after Bakker bros. WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE
+--- 21954612
+>>21954335
+>Tell us Anon, what is your novel about?
+I don't think my synopsis is good enough nor is my first chapter.
+
+>Adah Phenric took a vow to protect the world from any threats when she took an oath as a Knight of Valora. All was well until she and her team were sent on a routine mission to hunt a monster, but things go awry and Adah finds herself to be the sole survivor. Unconvinced her comrades are dead, she ventures out into the world to uncover the reasons for their disappearance. Coming in contact with a mysterious merchant, her investigation leads her to uncover a plot that threatens the world and discover the nature of the Goddess herself. Armed with nothing but her wits, friends, and a bit of magic, Adah commits to bringing the culprits to justice. For duty binds all. 
+
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67568/a-knight-of-valora-serenity
+--- 21954619
+>>21954566
+what'd you think of the night land? did you read the original or a story retold? i read story retold and loved it, instantly became one of my favorites and i've been on the fence about reading the original
+--- 21954623
+>>21954602
+Just read different genres. He basically "solved" dark fantasy, grimdark, as genres. No one comes close. There are, of course, different genres telling different stories with different tones, but if you go into them thinking "why isn't this the greatest dark fantasy series every written" then you are obviously going to have a bad time.
+--- 21954626
+>>21954513
+you read the first book in a series and you like it but you don't read the second book as your next book or even as the one after that?
+--- 21954637
+>>21954626
+To be fair, Sabriel is a better female character than any cardboard woman in Revelation Space was. One may argue that RS women are more realistic
+--- 21954662
+what do we think of MCs who never wanted to be heroes but reluctantly embrace their duty and responsibility when they become blessed or cursed with great powers in a time of crisis
+--- 21954674
+>>21954637
+ilya was good, both in revelation space and pushing ice, but i forgot what the character was called in pushing ice
+but agreed on just about every other female character. during a recent revisit of the series, by far the worst part of it all was the atrociously dull, melodramatic and drawn out plot about the girl who pilots her father's space ship but the ai in the space ship is her father's friend's personality. oh my god what the fuck was reynolds thinking with that monstrously boring plot line that goes literally nowhere.
+--- 21954683
+They should just ban female MCs
+--- 21954696
+>>21954408
+>last book you read
+The Avatar: Tantras
+>current book you're reading
+The Paladins: The Old Ways
+>next book you plan to read
+Forest Walker - A Chance Encounter
+--- 21954767
+>>21954573
+woahh someone was gonna call you out for posting on your phone better inb4 to make up for it. what a terrible thing to be accused of
+--- 21954771
+>>21954408
+>Last book
+Bloodsong by Melvin Burgess, finished it about 30 minutes ago.
+>Current book
+Blue Moon (Anita Blake #8) by Laurell Hamilton
+>Next book
+The Traitor Baru Cormorant by Seth Dickinson once I can pick it up from the library.
+--- 21954776
+>>21951939
+Just spend $400 on the Night Shade version lol. It's not popular enough for a conan style mass production
+--- 21954797
+>>21954408
+>Last book
+Before They Are Hanged, Mort
+>Current Book
+Last Argument of Kings
+>Next Book
+Not sure, I think I want a break before going into the first law standalones, thinking either Lovecraft Country or the first Black Company book
+--- 21954799
+>>21950422
+>>21950576
+>>21951864
+>>21954073
+>>21954110
+Stand back, plebs
+--- 21954853
+>>21951598
+>>21951822
+>>21954776
+
+last thread i called kane a cuckold, and i want to apologize. i had a brain fart and thought you meant caine by matthew stover. i only realized i was wrong when anon said he paid 400$ and it occurred to me that there isn't a single person on earth who would pay 400$ for that caine.
+i am adding this kane to my list of books to read
+--- 21954869
+>>21954853
+i accept your apology
+--- 21954876
+>>21951939
+>know if there will be any new prints of kane in the future, like that single volume conan collection?
+unforunately the KEW estate is dedicated to only ever letting kane get reprinted in expensive hardcover collections instead of cheap paperbacks
+get lucky on ebay and you can snatch them up, the frazetta covers are the most expensive but the UK editions are cheaper even though their covers are shit 
+>tfw we never got the kane comic book that was promised
+--- 21954883
+>>21954876
+sounds cheaper just buying the original frazetta paintings
+--- 21954935
+>>21954626
+>you read the first book in a series and you like it but you don't read the second book as your next book or even as the one after that?
+I tend to mix up books like that all the time. No idea why, it's just been that ways since I started reading books when I was a kid.
+--- 21954939
+>>21954799
+What is that? The comic?
+--- 21954940
+>>21954876
+--- 21954951
+>>21954939
+yes. 90s comic only made three issues before being canceled. The art inside looks like sandman
+--- 21954957
+>>21954951
+I think I might have it saved somewhere on my PC, but it'd take a while to dig up.
+--- 21955044
+>want to get Bakker's books related to the Second Apocalypse series
+>only the first three books have good cover art
+>the Aspect Emperor has some shitty photoshop faces in circles theme going on
+What was he thinking?
+--- 21955058
+>>21950576
+I would have probably loved this book when I was younger. 
+Now, I believe that our sun is electric, and it will never die in the sense that it runs out of fuel ala the nuclear furnace of teh sun. That is simply not correct, so I would then have to place teh book into pure fantasy with a false premise right off the bat. Too bad, cuz I am sure it is good.
+--- 21955120
+>>21954602
+Is Bakker really that good? I’ve heard he has some weird content in his stories (weird I’m not a good way).
+--- 21955141
+>>21955120
+yes he has groos shit in his book but also yes, he's quite good. but the series isn't finished and probably never will be.
+--- 21955144
+>>21955120
+dumb phoneposter
+--- 21955145
+>>21954619
+I read the original. The archaic language was a little obtuse at first, but once the story entered the more sci-fi and romantic elements, I found that Hodgson’s prose really shined. As for the story itself, I thought the setting was fascinating and the main plot was genuinely engaging. My only complaint is that I wish there was more to the ending than a simple happily ever after. I wish Hodgson expanded more on the details of the night land and revealed a few more secrets about it.
+--- 21955173
+>>21954518
+>dude look at this copy and paste linguistics
+>so impressive
+--- 21955189
+Wasn't expecting A Thousand Li book 8 to be a murder mystery novel desu. Plus Wu Ying isn't even good at being a detective.
+--- 21955222
+Tourist here, I've been searching for Dr. Adder (Jeter, Bluejay Books 1984) in decent condition that doesn't cost fucking $50.
+Why is it that book seems so "popular" all of a sudden I have two copies in barely acceptable condition and paid $8 for both of them combined.
+Anyone know a bookstore that has old scifi books and ships overseas? Already searched for hours but Google is dogshit nowadays anyway.
+--- 21955226
+Just Finished volume 6 of the Wandering Inn. Pretty good overall, despite it being the first volume since the first that I'd consider having "bad" chapters.
+I really liked the Witch chapters, and all of the stuff with Niers was really neat. The Fight against the crelers was a bit too anime and power of friendship for my taste, but I've already accepted that stakes are a myth and consequences are a joke, so it's not that bad.
+--- 21955249
+When do the conan books get good? I'm about halfway through the coming of conan and it's extremely boring.
+--- 21955253
+>>21955249
+Have t read that. I’ve read the first hundred pages of the omnibus though, and that’s pretty good. Why don’t you try just reading REH’s short stories first?
+--- 21955294
+>>21955058
+Good thing the sun in the story isn't dying because it is old but because  it has been tampered with by an insane ruler  Also, all of "sci fi" is fantasy, especially ones that take place in space. Space is fake and gay.
+--- 21955327
+>>21955249
+Some of the best conan stories are in the first half of coming of conan. If you're not into by now maybe it's just not for you.
+--- 21955386
+>>21955249
+you have to read boring books, bad books, trash books to really enjoy the good ones.
+--- 21955408
+>>21955294
+Good thing the son in the story isn't dying because it is old but because it's the book of the new son, the spelling changed over time like with Urth because Severian is the second coming of Jesus who dies and is reborn again, etc etc more biblical stuff 
+--- 21955417
+>>21953592
+>gay witchcraft
+>apple fag
+checks out
+--- 21955445
+>>21955408
+I agree. Wolfe is the goat
+--- 21955446
+Honest question: are there genuinely great sci-fi books? I have started reading some "classic" sci-fi books this year (Ender's Game, Starship Troopers, Foundation, Neuromancer, etc.) and if they are supposed to be the best i cannot even fathom how bad the average sci-fi book is. Who are the Peake, Dunsany, Tolkien, etc. of the sci-fi genre?
+--- 21955452
+>>21955226
+i thought it was neat. 
+btw, did you see the drake raid coming? or the way the arc ended? i thought that arc was well structured in how it was leading the reader's attention and focus.
+--- 21955456
+>>21955446
+read Dick
+--- 21955461
+>>21955446
+Well there are "sci fi" classics like Hyperion which are more so fantasy. People seem to love it or hate it. And then there are more modern "hard sci fi" like Peter Watts Blindsight. Prose is usually second to high concept and other crap and probably why not loved as much as Peake, etc.
+
+I would pick Wolfe's The Fifth Head of Cerberus as a generally great sci fi story.
+--- 21955491
+>>21955461
+Why is there a jet propelled penis there?
+--- 21955495
+>>21955189
+>xianxia written by a canadian
+Is it any good?
+I'm a bit wary of anyone westernized writing xianxia.
+--- 21955501
+>>21955491
+--- 21955505
+>>21955491
+Why wouldn't there be?
+--- 21955507
+>>21955495
+it's a gook who was born in china
+he immolated his career by copyrighting the term "system apocalypse" and having books by other authors with that phrase in the title removed from amazon for a short time
+--- 21955508
+>>21955189
+>reading and supporting Tao Wong after the stunt he pulled
+I thought everyone was boycotting that faggot? His works isn't even good. He writes literal doormat cucks (In the system apocalypse case) and long wordy novels that lead to nothing (in the thousand li case).
+--- 21955520
+>>21954612
+I'll give it a shot.
+--- 21955528
+>>21955501
+Based Jodo, incal is more Kino than Dune
+--- 21955539
+>>21955495
+Tao Wong comes off as very self-important in the text but it's the comfiest xianxia story.
+>>21955508
+I've never paid for a book what do I care? Also shitting on redditors is always a plus to me.
+--- 21955545
+>>21955446
+To be honest i've never been very impressed by any supposedly "hard" science fiction much less the social masturbation stuff like Banks and Pulp is peak sf in my view. 
+Jack Vance's Emphyrio, the Demon Princes, Planet of Adventure and some shorts like the Moon Moth are all good reads.
+Then there's Roger Zelazny's Lords of Light, Alfred Bester's The Demolished Man (and The Stars My Destination), Leigh Brackett's Sea Kings of Mars, Lindsay's A Voyage to Arcturus (for all it's many flaws), Hiero's Journey to name a few.
+I guess if you want something roughly literary there's A Canticle for Leibowitz or Jules Verne's stories.
+--- 21955549
+>>21955507
+>it's a gook who was born in china
+Doesn't really matter if they're writing with westernized mindset in mind though. I don't care if it's a white guy writing it I just don't want to start having all the trappings of nu-western shit to infest it midstory. Got burned more than once trying to read 'originals' on webnovel.
+--- 21955573
+>>21955120
+In a fantasy world where blonde haired blue eyes hyperboreans being ubermensch build the greatest societies with gender roles where women are soil for seed with a heavy focus on biological determinism, you start to understand why /lit/ sucks off bakker so much. Don't fall for it.
+--- 21955585
+He's talking about wandering inn with spoiler tags as if we're gonna read 12 million words of unedited drivel written by an obese dude pretending to be a woman
+--- 21955586
+>>21955120
+No
+--- 21955590
+>>21954483
+>Alien: Out of the Shadows
+so much better than the other books in the trilogy.
+--- 21955597
+>>21955446
+Try reading Poul Anderson and Jack Vance if you're looking for genuinely great classic pulp sci-fi.
+You should also read some "new wave" sci-fi like J. G. Ballard or Harlan Ellison.
+--- 21955608
+>>21955586
+>has unfinished series on her shelf cause she doesn't have matching height hardbacks
+jej
+--- 21955637
+>>21955586
+Why?
+--- 21955638
+>>21955573
+>/lit/
+It's one dude.
+--- 21955681
+What are some things you like seeing when reading a fantasy book, and what things you don't?
+--- 21955693
+>New chapter
+>Severian is knocked unconcious yet again
+
+This is retroactively ruining the first four books for me.
+--- 21955717
+>>21955693
+Urth is weird until the spaceship bullshit is over. I almost dropped it, but after that is just as good as the rest.
+--- 21955719
+>>21955573
+>/lit/ sucks off bakker so much
+It's always the same guy shilling it
+--- 21955730
+For some reason I felt a severe melancholy after seeing a Harlan's Watching episode on YouTube (the one in which Ellison mourns the passing of Asmov). The realization that almost all the authors of the New Wave are no longer around and how science-fiction literature has become less and less relevant in our times did resurface. 
+I even found myself visiting Harlan's old website which is pretty much a time capsule. 
+http://harlanellison.com/home.htm
+I am not sure if this nostalgia and melancholy is due the lack of authors that are similar in character as those who became iconic in their respective eras or just me having an existential crisis due finding that this type of narrative had lost all its sense of wonder and cultural relevancy.
+--- 21955734
+>>21955693
+>he doesn't know that  every time Severian gets "knocked unconscious" he actually dies. And that he has died over and over again throughout the series. 
+--- 21955745
+>>21955734
+Holy...kino
+Picked the fuck up
+--- 21955951
+>>21955730
+Harlan and Asimov both have pretty strong indications that they were pedos. That whole convention clique from that part of the country is highly suspect since they were running in circles that included openly pederastic Breen & Bradley Zimmer yet no one said anything until her daughter openly accused them of it, with most of them writing some bullshit about free love (would not be surprised to find more names get named in time like McCaffrey who also defended an affiliated pedo or Le Guin), Ellison's ardent defense of dragoncon multiple-arrested child molesting pedophile Ed Kramer, Asimov's son being caught as one of the largest child porn collectors in California despite having no income and only living off as stipend from his father.
+If you want actual writers to look up to, for whatever reason, look outside those godforsaken convention cliques as even a cursory glance behind the curtain is rife with horrific shit.
+--- 21956109
+>>21955951
+Asimov literally gropped a 15yo girl in a con
+--- 21956135
+>>21956109
+This is what a 15 year old looks like in America?
+No wonder people get jailed for fucking underage children in the USA if your 15 year olds look like 20 something.
+--- 21956144
+>>21956135
+with the amount of alcohol and tobacco being pushed into kids' systems in the middle of the 20th century, Americans looked like 40 year olds before they were out of their teens
+--- 21956224
+>>21956109
+15-year-old girls are built to be maximally arousing.
+--- 21956232
+>>21956224
+t. Asimov's son
+--- 21956247
+>>21956224
+Attractiveness in both sexes peaks at around 20-22
+--- 21956259
+>>21956247
+Looking to settle down?
+--- 21956281
+>>21956259
+I'm much too insane for that, I just think it should be stated for the record that people are most attractive at around 20-22. It is the period where they stop having the vaguely deformed puffy look teenagers have but before aging sets in. Provided they are healthy they will have a kind of glow and well defined but not gaunt features. It is also the age of peak fertility for both sexes, most likely to successfully produce healthy children
+--- 21956349
+>>21956312
+This may be far too honest of a take for most people.
+--- 21956359
+The end of The Third Kingdom reads like it was written by a man who jettisoned his own fanbase. Kino.
+--- 21956401
+why is heretics of dune so dogshit
+--- 21956415
+>>21956401
+you're only supposed to read the first 4
+--- 21956432
+>>21956401
+didn't that one had /ss/?
+--- 21956433
+>>21956401
+Always be careful when there's a big time gap. It's going to be something different, probably worse.
+--- 21956543
+>>21954408
+>last book you read
+Legends and Lattes
+>current book you're reading
+Frugal Wizard's Handbook for Surviving Medieval England 
+>next book you plan to read
+The First Law
+--- 21956615
+>>21954408
+A Feast for Crows
+Pandora's Star
+Judas Unchained or A Dance with Dragons
+--- 21956687
+>You will never be this happy.
+https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q2k_6zclwTs [Embed]
+--- 21956714
+>>21956543
+It's astonishing to me how this book took off. I think I first made that comment when it was at 90k.
+--- 21956738
+>>21956543
+>Legends and Lattes
+How is it? Heard it's comfy
+--- 21956756
+>>21956738
+reddit-tier
+--- 21956784
+>>21956756
+So it's popular and made the author money?
+--- 21956803
+>>21956714
+disgusting
+you really can sell anything if your name is big enough in the right community
+--- 21956805
+>>21956687
+https://youtu.be/uqES1poX4Z8 [Embed]
+--- 21956832
+>>21956714
+does it have female MC?
+--- 21956836
+>>21956832
+female lesbians orc + tiefling
+--- 21956845
+>>21956836
+well, no wonder it's popular
+--- 21956853
+>>21956803
+Factually true, but Baldree is only a big name in the despised ghetto of litrpg audiobooks. A subniche of a subniche. Yet there he is, selling books.
+--- 21956857
+Why hasn't anyone written a western retelling of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms with some isekai elements sprinkled in?
+--- 21956947
+>>21956857
+you just gave me some kino ideas
+--- 21956972
+>>21956857
+Not that i know of but Nostrillia by Cordwainer Smith is Journey to the West in Space
+--- 21956988
+>>21956857
+Because RotK in of itself is an isekai.
+>Guan Yu leaves his world as a butcher and becomes the greatest of warriors!
+>Zhang Fei leaves his world as a pig farmer and becomes a fearsome warrior!
+>Zhao Yun leaves his world as a underappreciated administrator and becomes a beautiful warrior!
+>Ma Chao leaves his world as a barbarian from the steppes and becomes a vengeful warrior!
+>Huang Zhong leaves his world as a administrator and becomes a wise warrior!
+--- 21956990
+I saw a copy of this at a used bookstore. Is it worth reading? I've heard it's really controversial.
+--- 21957000
+>>21956988
+I can't read Bastion because every time Lianshi is mentioned I imagine big boobas
+--- 21957039
+>>21956988
+what is isekai and no please god don't tell me to go read it if its anime my heart just can't take that
+--- 21957042
+>>21957039
+isekai is basically portal fantasy
+--- 21957061
+>>21956990
+is considered Piers Anthony worst book, and he has a lot of bad books
+--- 21957067
+>>21956990
+>Is it worth reading?
+Read it yourself and find out. Don't listen to the opinions of /lit/ards.
+--- 21957069
+>>21957039
+isekai is a japanese word meaning something like "other world" and in effect it means any story where a character from the present day/real world (or present/real relative to the story's setting) is transported to another time/realm/universe/whatever
+this is typically called "portal fantasy" in English
+--- 21957088
+>>21957069
+isekai is an ascended (descended?) form of portal fantasy, where the portal isn't even fucking important except as handwavium for whatever bullshit the author wants to write
+--- 21957095
+Isekai means "other world" which in Japan literally any other world than Earth, including videogame worlds. It has various subcategories.
+--- 21957113
+>>21957067
+I was mainly asking because the only reason I even recognized the book was due to how controversial it was.
+--- 21957116
+john carter is iskeai
+--- 21957119
+thomas covenant is isekai
+--- 21957123
+starkings by edmond hamilton is isekai
+--- 21957124
+Alice in wonderland is (and isn't) isekai
+--- 21957126
+the moon pool is isekai
+--- 21957130
+His Dark Material is a faggy atheist isekai
+--- 21957141
+>>21957119
+>>21957123
+>>21957124
+>>21957126
+>>21957130
+all true but it could have been contained in a single post
+--- 21957143
+>>21957130
+How mad were you when God withered away into dust?
+--- 21957144
+>>21957141
+A Voyage to Arcturus is isekai
+--- 21957157
+>>21957143
+It was so meh. Made it worse by the pacing of every other chapter being about that le scientist lady who finds wheel elephants fucking gay get out of here. Won't even finish the show, realized yesterday the third season was done.
+--- 21957290
+It's coming along nicely
+--- 21957301
+>>21957069
+>>21957141
+Okay, but I still don't fully understand. It is just that the story takes place in another world? But then why not just call it fantasy or science fiction, almost all of it takes place in another or different world.
+--- 21957307
+>>21957301
+because the protagonist originated in our own world
+so it's a guy who's used to cars and electric razors and hearing about the war in ukraine on tv being transported into a medieval setting with dragons and orcs and shit by accidentally stumbling upon it in a thrift shop mirror or a book in an old library
+as for why not just call it fantasy, well because it's something that easily lends itself to categorization. it's still fantasy, but it's also a specific subset of fantasy
+--- 21957374
+>>21957301
+It's not just that the story takes place in another world, it's that a person from OUR world gets transported to the other world and interacts with it based on the preconceived notions of normal 21st century life. For example, the Tron movie? that's isekai - a computer programmer gets sucked into his own video game and has to learn to survive and defeat the evil Master Control Program. Peter Pan involves a bunch of 1900s British kids flying away to Neverland to face pirates and indians and ticking clockodiles. The Lost World has Professor Challenger enter a cave in a Amazonian cliffside and pop out in a prehistoric realm with Brontosaurus and Pteranodon. All of these are variations on a "fish out of water" theme that is integral to the portal fantasy genre.
+--- 21957445
+>>21955495
+Thousand li is terrible.
+--- 21957474
+>>21957445
+Give fifteen examples
+--- 21957477
+>>21957307
+>>21957374
+I get it now, thanks anons. Then isekai is just the Japanese version of this kind of story. It didn't originate with them, though, right? Also, is it just for anime or do they use it for all their fiction. Or do you know
+--- 21957489
+>>21957477
+It's beyond simply "the japanese version", isekai is absolute trash of the lowest quality. A guy gets run over by a truck by mistake so god sends him to a fantasy world. In apology he gives the protagonist a magic phone that works and lets him call people and look stuff up on the internet despite the lack of technology in the other world. He also gets the magic power of simultaneously multiclassing in every class and can learn special abilities only capable of being used by dragons and nematodes. He also has 10000 base charisma and every girl he meets instantly wants to bang him and is ok being a cuckqueen in his ever-growing harem. He proceeds to use his amazing powers to introduce a medieval world to the wonders of sushi and mayonnaise. THAT'S isekai.
+--- 21957493
+>>21955586
+King BROKE her.
+--- 21957496
+>>21957474
+Bad dialogue, extremely bad prose. I have seen fan translated chinese webnovels with better prose than a Thousand Li written by an native English speaker.
+--- 21957504
+>>21957496
+No you haven't.
+--- 21957533
+>>21954876
+Frazetta is nice, but I kind of like his wife's nephew Ken Kelly more.
+--- 21957619
+I'm a real intellectual. I read and listen to Philip K Dick.
+--- 21957735
+>>21957619
+>intellectual
+>listens to dick
+You read Descartes?
+--- 21957753
+>>21950366

lit/21950350.txt

@@ -205,3 +205,163 @@ It doesn't seem to bother anybody so I try to just treat it like normal, but dam
 >>21950938
 Based
 I'm going to read this right now, thanks
+--- 21953813
+>>21950865
+seething degenerate atheistcuck
+>>21950742
+>the church was right all along
+it was modern day is proved him right
+--- 21953817
+>>21951329
+Comparing things for superficial reasons like "protagonist has brown hair" and "a smart detective is after them" is meaningless and a waste of time. You also completely mistook their ideals, Light is a man that wants to make a better world by killing those he deems unjust and anyone that gets in his way, while Raskolnikov believes that it's okay for him to sin if he ends up making up for that sin by improving the world. The only meaningful connection there is their goal to create a better world, which is a really dumb comparison to make considering that "improving the world" is probably the most common motivation for a protagonist.
+On the other hand, the BB comparison holds a bit more weight because Walt and Raskolnikov are much more similar (people in an unfortunate situation decide to commit a crime with the motivation of helping their family) initially at least. It's also a really dumb comparison to make because beyond that starting point the stories, characters and themes don't have much in common. But hey, at least it's a better comparison than "the protagonist has brown hair" lol.
+--- 21953819
+>>21950350 (OP)
+Why is Christian forgiveness and humanism, deapite being the core teaching of Christ and the most beautiful and quite possibly the only good doctrine of the faith, is also the one that most Christians ignore and most Atheists virulently reject?
+
+t. Culturally Catholic Atheist
+--- 21953822
+>>21950630
+Nabokov is literal definition of hack, he has never written anything good.
+--- 21953835
+>ywn have a friend as unreasonably loyal as Razumikhin
+--- 21953844
+>>21950378
+>>21950350 (OP)
+>turns himself in 
+After the detective comes to his house and tells him he's going to be arrested 
+>>21950451
+Yes. He never once says he's an atheist
+--- 21953853
+I like how in Dostoevsky writing there is this double standard when it comes to age where men are eternally young but women are always old and mature.53 yo man? Still a child, has his whole life ahead of him. 20 yo woman? Old witch, this is her last chance for love. It's very optimistic.
+--- 21953865
+>>21953853
+It was written more than 150 years ago, I think we can cut Dosto a little slack
+--- 21953917
+>>21950484
+Cucks and simps existed since time immemorial. The only thing that changed is society
+--- 21953996
+>>21953819
+Forgiveness is incompatible with society.
+--- 21954022
+>>21953996
+say who? your discord friends?
+--- 21954065
+>>21954022
+Says everyone.
+The law must make an example out of the offender, to prevent others from doing the same.
+And even God wasn't keen on the forgiving deal, what with unbelievers burning in Hell.
+So I'm only following God's example.
+--- 21954325
+>>21953817
+>Light is a man that wants to make a better world by killing those he deems unjust and anyone that gets in his way, while Raskolnikov believes that it's okay for him to sin if he ends up making up for that sin by improving the world. 
+At the same time, you could say that Light believes that it's okay for him to kill if he ends up making up for that sin by improving the world. And Raskólnikov is a man that wants to make a better world by killing and stealing an old lady and anyone that gets in his way (Her sister). You are only focusing on the superficial comparisons and not the other ones. It's like if I said "Green apples and Red apples have in common a similar taste" and you would say "Noo! They are different colours! Your comparison is just superficial based on the taste!" 
+
+All of that said, I found on an article on the internet that "Shusuke Kaneko, the director of the film version of Death Note, stated in an interview that he was inspired by Dostoevsky's novel.", I don't know how true that can be, and searching for japanese interviews is extremelly hard, so I'll let the doubt sink in.
+--- 21954375
+>>21953817
+Also, my comparison was just a summary of the real comparison. I'm not writing a full article about it though. But here's a less "superficial" (Since you don't like to compare colours, just ugnore the parenthesis) comparison: Protagonist is a lonely (brown haired) young adult who is a university student. He barely gets out of his own room. He suddenly finds himself in a position where he can commit a crime: To kill for the best of the world. He decides that he may be superior to the rest of humans, and that he will get away with it, so he decides to commit crime. After that, the detectives are unto him, and instead of hiding, he attacks. He gets interested in his own investigation, and starts talking to his own detectives. On Death Note its L, on C&P its polfiri (Weird looking detective who is smarter than anyone in the story) in his house and that other detective on the bar. He also finds himself in a position where he will be 100% discovered, so he kills the person who found him out (The granny's sister in Raskólnikov case, any antagonist in Death Note). Later, he meets a (blonde) woman who also commits crimes, which is his "love interest", who, directly or indirectly, makes him finally go to jail.
+
+Of course the story of Death Note continues from there, but there's nothing more to compare. Light needed a higher punishment than jail.
+--- 21954487
+>>21952885
+Better Call Saul would be a better fit.
+There's a plenty of religious symbolism.
+--- 21954498
+>>21952885
+Holy shit, what a shallow reading of that book.
+--- 21954537
+>>21953817
+>people in an unfortunate situation decide to commit a crime with the motivation of helping their family
+That was not the motive of walter white. You either didn't watched the show or the message went up your head. At the end of the series walter says that he did it because the power felt good. Walter was submissive all his life, everyone stepped on him, and now, when he is about to die, he chooses to take the power for once, and because it felt great he just kepts doing it. This is said in one of the most memorable scenes in the show, in the last talk between Walter and Skyler.
+--- 21954592
+Just finished reading for the first time. 
+>Tfw the end part with his mum
+--- 21954618
+>>21954592
+Why did Dostoyevsky killed her? I always tought it was unnecesary for her to die.
+--- 21954628
+>>21954618
+What was meant to happen with her? Ras comes out 7 years later, and they keep letting her live a lie forever?
+--- 21954632
+>>21954325
+>At the same time, you could say that Light believes that it's okay for him to kill if he ends up making up for that sin by improving the world.
+You really can't. It's obvious that at no point did Light consider any of the crimes he was committing as a "sin" just by the fact that he never feels even the slightest hint of regret or guilt over any of his crimes, even when killing a completely innocent person like the FBI woman (can't remember her name). Again all the examples you give of similarities are superficial stuff (he has brown hair, he is a student, etc.) that do not deeply affect the themes of their stories.
+--- 21954664
+>>21954632
+>It's obvious that at no point did Light consider any of the crimes he was committing as a "sin" just by the fact that he never feels even the slightest hint of regret or guilt over any of his crimes
+A monologue of Light in the FIRST chapter: "I've killed two people! I... I... Human lives... are not to be taken slightly. What right do I have to judge people? No. No! This is exactly what I've been thinkintg all along. This world is rotten! Somebody has to do it. Even if it means sacrificing one's own life or soul (Isn't he saying it's a "sin" here?)
+
+>you give of similarities are superficial stuff
+The superficial stuff you mentioned was the thing I told you to not read, you clearly didn't read the rest. You can not have this much retardation.
+--- 21954670
+>>21954632
+Not that anon, but he did, over his first few kills. He's a bit traumatized, couldn't sleep or eat, lost weight, and thought divine punishment would come after him for it (A bit like Rodion surprisingly).
+And Ryuk told him that no, he's not here to hand out judgment, and there isn't even a heaven or a hell to fret over, and Light turned into a full blown psycho. 
+I agree that the themes of the stories are completely different.
+--- 21954718
+>>21950350 (OP)
+>literature is plot summary
+better luck next time
+--- 21954819
+if only there was a character in the story to show what would happen to him if he got away with the crime
+--- 21954839
+>>21950484
+>after 20 years of hard labor, he finally gets to be with his literal whore gf
+Isn't this common in modern America?
+--- 21954852
+>>21954819
+Svidrigailov, who lives the best life of all the characters?
+--- 21954877
+>>21954852
+you could say that... if you're retarded.
+--- 21954890
+>>21954852
+>best life of all characters
+Did you miss the part where he has nothing left besides alcohol? Or the part about his nightmares? Or the part where he kills himself?
+--- 21954895
+>>21954890
+>>21954852
+Or the part where he sees the ghosts of the people he killed haunting him?
+--- 21954937
+>>21954890
+sounds pretty comfy desu
+--- 21955269
+>>21953853
+I had a woman pretty much say this to me at work.
+--- 21955516
+>>21950768
+What the fuck are you talking about? The epilogue begins with Raskolnikov being in Siberia. And Porfiry wasn’t convinced the painter was the murderer.
+--- 21955559
+>>21955516
+Which is where he met Sonia, and went back in to confess. He was this close to getting away.
+In the absence of Rodion, the court would have imprisoned the confessed painter and not pressed the case.
+--- 21955563
+>>21954065
+lmao no. Societies build on blood revenge always fail. They can't create cohesive society, when every person takes the role of judge.
+--- 21955579
+>>21955563
+That's why we relinquish our rights to revenge and retribution to the Justice System. The Justice System will then do the revenge and retribution and making examples part.
+It created an imperfectly cohesive society, as one you're living in.
+--- 21955668
+>>21950865
+>t. never read Leo Tolstoy.
+--- 21955685
+>>21950350 (OP)
+>rich
+Didnt he just steal a watch from his landlord or some shit? Been like 20 years since I read this shit
+--- 21957155
+>>21954618
+something something freud
+--- 21957508
+>>21955685
+>Didnt he just steal a watch from his landlord or some shit?
+He pawned his father's watch originally. He stole jewelry and some money, whatever he could easily find.
+>Been like 20 years since I read this shit
+In my head, I was like, "This guy must be my dad's age," but then I realized it's been 17 years since I first read it. Reread it four years ago and it was even better.
+--- 21957755
+>>21955579
+but that's not a retribution. how are people that that Breivik killed avenged? It's just menas for the government to "rehabilitate" people.
+--- 21957768
+>>21957755
+We don't talk about Nordic basedvernments. Any proper government would have put him to a coal mine 24 hours a day.

lit/21950375.txt

@@ -82,3 +82,82 @@ Go crawl back up your mother’s cunt if you hate the real world so much. The re
 >for those with this disgraceful
 Huh?
 >a just government would place decisions in the hands of those it deems disgraceful
+--- 21953925
+>>21951426
+Go die in the current war retard.
+--- 21954037
+>>21951462
+Are you the same cat lady tripfag from earlier this year, "Cluster B"? Or are you the next one.
+--- 21954302
+>>21950375 (OP)
+read the My Struggle series and let's see if you're still retarded
+--- 21954347
+ham on rye maybe, in like sexual way and shit like that. dumb stuff
+--- 21954379
+Just because you are having sex doesnt mean you stop living like a kid.
+
+I suggest you read Alfred Döblin - The three leaps of Wang Lun
+--- 21954473
+>>21950375 (OP)
+
+
+One afternoon, in a particularly bright and glowing August, some years before I knew I was happy, George Hooping, whom we called Little Cough, Sidney Evans, Dan Davies, and I sat on the roof of a lorry travelling to the end of the Peninsula. It was a tall, six-wheeled lorry, from which we could spit on the roofs of the passing cars and throw our apple stumps at women on the pavement. One stump caught a man on a bicycle in the middle of the back, he swerved across the road, for a moment we sat quiet and George Hooping's face grew pale. And if the lorry runs over him, I thought calmly as the man on the bicycle swayed towards the hedge, he'll get killed and I'll be sick on my trousers and perhaps on Sidney's too, and we'll all be arrested and hanged, except George Hooping who didn't have an apple.
+
+But the lorry swept past; behind us, the bicycle drove into the hedge, the man stood up and waved his fist, and I waved my cap back at him. 
+
+
+— 'Portrait of the Artist as a Young Dog' (Dylan Thomas)
+--- 21954572
+>>21954379
+>Just because you are having sex
+
+I'm not having sex.
+--- 21954744
+>>21950722
+>Everyone's childhood is the same.
+
+Are you for real?
+--- 21954902
+>>21950375 (OP)
+not a book but Citizen Kane
+--- 21954903
+>>21954302
+The only people who read My Struggle, in fact, are retarded.
+--- 21954922
+>>21950375 (OP)
+Sucks for you, OP, but I actually consider Adulthood to be the peak of my life so far.
+--- 21954930
+>>21950375 (OP)
+Witold Gombrowicz’s oeuvre
+--- 21955303
+>>21950375 (OP)
+As a kid I was a priest. I lead the boys in my class to the local runestone whenever we had a test or some other event. Everyone listnened to my speeches. It was fun. It was silly. Today I work a menial job and drink whenever I can.
+--- 21956258
+my diary desu
+--- 21956306
+>>21950375 (OP)
+Both are garbage in different ways but I think Serotonin touches on this?
+--- 21956313
+>>21950722
+Nice to know everyone else grew up with alcoholic drug addict parents.
+--- 21957721
+Dandelion Wine by Ray Bradbury.
+--- 21957749
+>>21951290
+Could you imagine being taught about troons in your kindergarten class? I'm so sad for kids who are like ~6 years old right now, they've been robbed of a faggotless upbringing. I hate the Antichrist and narcissists
+--- 21957765
+>>21951462
+>aaaaaa I'm adulting I'm adulting I've accepted my thermodynamic slavery to the market
+Oink oink
+--- 21957790
+Knulp by herman hesse
+--- 21957792
+>>21950375 (OP)
+Torture scene in The Shitkickers talks about this 100%
+--- 21957833
+>>21957749
+>a faggotless upbringing
+Wish I had that. I'm from Toronto.
+--- 21957839
+>>21957749
+All through elementary school and the 11 high schools I went to, not a single peep about gays or trannies. I left school around about 1994 or so.

lit/21950492.txt

@@ -130,3 +130,76 @@ I understand the fallacy you're describing well enough. It's part of why I feel
 >>21951007
 When I started working I had an overwhelming sense of "this will stifle me", and it was true. Aside from the effects of the monotony of work dulling cognition, the greater issue is the more thorough socialization, of being forced outside yourself, to become someone suited to your environment.
 When I first started I was very shy and introverted, and to a degree that's still true, but I think something of value that was lost was a sense of embarrassment. I recall vividly a sense of my cheeks flushing under numerous circumstances - now that doesn't happen, and I just roll with the situation. It's a feeling I miss because now the world and my place in it feels more mundane, as though it's lost a sense of specialness where something could cause me to react on a physical level instead of merely acting out an infinitely rehersed performance.
+--- 21953976
+That's because most of humanities is BS. Pretty much all of it was solved by Plato. Learn real Math. Find God.
+--- 21953998
+>>21950492 (OP)
+Ideas aren't worth anything at all, sorry to disappoint you. They're only valuable if they have some sort of real world application or someone is willing to act on those ideas to make them a reality
+
+Otherwise it's just navelgazing. Pointless and a waste of time. There are no epiphanies or revelations to be found past a certain point.
+There's only work and repetition to be done
+--- 21954380
+>>21950968
+Pretty much any, but a good start is James’ book on pragmatism
+--- 21954561
+I believe the only remedy for this is creation. If the ideas you read about remain in the abstract, perhaps that was their place all along? Or, perhaps still, You lack the resolve for creation of the new? I believe phenomenal states of consciousness to demand action and affirmation. What many seem to face with age is disillusionment, fear of the new with its unknown consequences. This condition can be fought against with affirmation and acceptence. "there is no need to fear or hope, only to look for new weapons"
+--- 21954719
+>>21954561
+I tried reading Capitalism and Schizophrenia but I didn't get it.
+--- 21954729
+>>21950711
+Shestov, he was a major influence on Bataille and some other frogs at the time
+--- 21954843
+>>21950700
+>>21950704
+I think you are like this either because:
+a) you are reading for purely aesthetic reasons, and so mostly just reading fiction books and poetry (hence your reference to yeats) whereas the thread is moreso about non-fiction
+b) you are reading for historical knowledge
+--- 21954855
+Sounds like you need to man the fuck up and start writing you fucking bitch. Are you seriously going to let the world take you captive like this? Take some shrooms and write. Then wake up and write some more
+--- 21954892
+i became a materialist
+--- 21955023
+>>21950492 (OP)
+>kill myself
+Soon plox
+--- 21955064
+>>21951007
+Unironically read Bronze Age Mindset.
+--- 21955069
+>>21951001
+>I always suspected I got retardation from ADHD + weed smoking + acid psychosis
+The power of ideas seems to work as strong as ever.
+--- 21955085
+That's because you're looking at ideas in an individualistic way, so as units that are sealed off from each other. Ideas tend towards combination, so that they produce new ideas.
+--- 21956237
+>>21954719
+start with Nietzsche or Spinoza and work your way towards the postmodern, d&g are notoriously challenging in their writing
+--- 21956332
+>>21950492 (OP)
+I think I understand what you're talking about. When I was in my 20s, I also had an expectation that I would stumble upon some idea that would turn my world upside down and make me forever happy and strong. I was searching for some sort of life-changing epiphany in philosophy, but also in art, nature, love, and physical training. Now that I'm older, I feel like it turned out to be not the way I expected, but it was not a pure illusion either.
+
+If you hope that some idea, or philosophical theory, or something like that will completely change your world all at once, you're wrong. One reason for this is that you won't find an idea that will competely surprise you. If you are interested in humanities, literature, and philosophy, chances are that you are at least vaguely familiar with all key points humanity has ever made. There's of course mathematics and such, and there's various magical esoteric stuff, but I'm not talking about these, I'm talking about the non-schizo ideas about the meaning of life, existence, god, man's role in the world, etc.
+
+But this does not mean that there are no life-changing ideas at all. It just means that they don't work like you expect them to, they don't work immediately. You have to apply them to your life regularly and systematically, and then, slowly and almost imperceptibly, they will change your life. Unless you do that, they will just remain platitutudes which you may have heard a thousand times but which give you nothing. It's like with physical fitness - if you run a hundred meters, nothing will change. But if you start to run regularly and for a long time, then, after a while, you will be a different man.
+
+I've also mentioned that I was searching for epiphanies in other things, such as nature, art, and physical exercise. And I have found them there. These epiphanies did not last, but the key point is how you manage your expectations. If you think that this beautiful vista you see during your next mountain hiking trip, or this painting you see in a gallery will radically alter your life forever, you're wrong. But if you accept that the bliss they give you is real, even if it's gone after a while, then this experience, or, rather, the memory of this experience will be useful.
+
+You won't reach a sudden enlightenment, but it doesn't mean that you're doomed to be lost forever. There still is a path you're walking, even if you often stop, or go astray, or go back. And you can still reach your end goal.
+--- 21957019
+>>21953976
+She looks hot but I haven't finished all of monogatari, just up to S2, should I watch more?
+--- 21957037
+>>21950492 (OP)
+You're really missing what your issue is. Very few books compel people in the first place to that capacity. Most books just offer new perspectives to smaller nuances.
+Another thing would be how change requires a number of people, not just you. A lot of people got an idea from reading some apocryphal novel of french political philosopher or something of the like. But few groups changed the world after transmitting the ideas of some book.
+Those books not only require large audiences, but certain audiences as well. Notwithstanding the validity of it, the Communist Manifesto did very little in Paris, being a haven of anemic bookworms but did a lot in the Russian Empire where people's blood started to boil after reading Marx.
+
+If you want to be compelled, that might be up to you. Might be your intelligence but also might be your enthusiasm.
+--- 21957241
+>>21950492 (OP)
+this is a healthy crossroads anon. much better than living under the delusion that men are capable of justice, imagined in thought or applied in institutions. 
+
+the endgame is realizing that God is just and this world is a crucible to try your quality. 
+
+everyone gets to this by a different path unless they stop along the way and get distracted.

lit/21950580.txt

@@ -121,3 +121,142 @@ lelftist women love anal. and nowadays sex is normalized and girls to atm all th
 --- 21953723
 >>21950595
 More women should look like that
+--- 21953833
+>>21950599
+>>21951371
+>>21951491
+Modern academics, anon?
+
+>When Plato, in the Phaedrus, talks of human love, he means homosexual love, and the disputants in the Symposium agree on one point—that love between man and man is nobler than love between man and woman.
+Will Durant, The Life of Greece (1937)
+>There is one thing about the Greeks that we shall never be able to understand, a thing which separates them utterly from us: their love—pederasty.'
+Richard Wagner (1873)
+>The philosophers speak much more of this love than of the love of women…. Here in general there is no need of proofs for well-informed readers, they can recall them by the hundred, for with the ancients everything is full of it.
+Arthur Schopenhauer, The World as Will as Representation Vol. II (1844)
+>The unnatural love of boys was so common in Greece, that in many places it was sanctioned by the public laws, of which Aristotle gives the reason: viz. to prevent their having too many children.
+Rev. Andrew Fuller, The Gospel Its Own Witness (1799)
+>But even Aristides is said to have been addicted to the unnatural lust for boys. What can one say of a people, where this abominable vice was not even discountenanced? For my own part, when I find such a man as Aristides charged with it, I lament his living in those days. And I regret, that his otherwise unblemished name, should be contaminated by the infamous practice of his country.
+Francis Dobbs, Second Volume of Universal History (1788)
+>The taste of the Greeks for the most indecent and unnatural lust is well known; and the most virtuous of the Greeks, according to our ideas of morality, would have been looked upon in Europe as most wicked and contemptible debauchees.
+Franz Swediauer, The Philosophical Dictionary, Vol. I (1786)
+>Every Dabbler knows by his Classics, that it was pursu'd and prais'd with the Heighth of Liberty, boy love ever was the top refinement of most enlightened ages.
+Thomas Cannon, Ancient and Modern Pederasty Investigated and Exemplify'd (1749)
+>Who it was that first introduced the custom of loving boys into Greece, is uncertain: however we find it generally practised by the ancient Grecians, and that not only in private, but by the public allowance and encouragement of their laws; for they thought there could be no means more effectual to excite their youth to noble undertakings, nor any greater security to their commonwealths, than this generous passion.
+John Potter, Archaeologia graeca (1698)
+>Sure there was a great dearth of beautie in those dayes amongst women when boyes and catamites were so doted on by men.
+Thomas Heywood, Gynaikeion (1624)
+>They were addicted to the love of boys, and one of their wise men made a law that pederasty should not be allowed to slaves, as if it was an honorable thing, and they had houses for this purpose, in which it was openly practiced.
+John Chrysostom, Homily 5 on Titus (390)
+--- 21953897
+that face produces a strong feeling of aversion and mistrust in me
+--- 21953942
+>>21953664
+>>21953683
+Would wife
+--- 21954440
+>>21953683
+
+Fucking delicious for 52. She should do only fans, that's the most empowering thing for women these days.
+--- 21954929
+What's up with the grannyfuckers ITT? It's weird to find old wrinkly women hot dude, especially if they're vindictive feminists
+--- 21955045
+>>21954929
+>52 
+>granny
+Anyways we’re just men of finer tastes, at least we’ll still be having great sex when our wives will turn 50, while you’ll be miserable and unsucessfully trying to cheat on yours with 25 yos
+--- 21955153
+>>21955045
+>we’ll still be having great sex when our wives will turn 50
+--- 21955193
+>>21950580 (OP)
+Is that an AI generated image of a female version of Elon Musk?
+--- 21955472
+I’d love to have emily as my wife.
+>LE BUT THAT MEANS YOU AGREE WITH HER TRANSLATION
+Nope, i’m purely talking physical attractiveness and personality. Seems like a fun and intelligent person.
+--- 21955487
+>>21954929
+She's cute. 
+>>21955045
+Based refined sensibilities 
+>>21955472
+Her translation is good I'm gonna say it. I especially like the last line here, and she's right that other translations which don't conform to the line length get super long and, in places, unwieldy 
+
+Now pass me some canapés
+--- 21955502
+>>21955487
+>Now goddess, child of Zeus, tell the old story for our modern times. Find the beginning. 
+Chills 
+>Of these things, goddess, daughter of Zeus, beginning where thou wilt, tell thou even unto us. 
+Ills 
+>from some point here, goddess, child of Zeus, speak and begin our story 
+Again, not as good
+--- 21955509
+>>21954929
+Tfw met a 62 year old new grandmother recently who was quite attractive
+--- 21955512
+>>21954929
+>It's weird to find old wrinkly women hot dude
+No it isn't, it's normal to feel attracted to Mature independent women who know what they want in life, You know what isn't normal? Feeling attracted to childish women in their twenties who talk and act like teenagers.
+--- 21955518
+>>21955512
+Granny enjoyers itt status: completely fucking vindicated
+--- 21955550
+>>21950580 (OP)
+Book Mommy, read me a bedtime story.
+--- 21955558
+>>21955502
+>>>/r/eddit
+>>>/out/
+--- 21955567
+>>21951526
+A Greek man would lose all political rights if it was found out that he was sodomised, even if it was against his will or as a child. They thought anal sex unavoidably led to mental illness. The “gay stuff” they did was brothers in arms hugging/kissing. It’s easy to type “lol gay lmao” when it’s already an established meme.
+--- 21955575
+>>21955512
+>women in their twenties
+Too old
+--- 21955580
+>>21950580 (OP)
+A lifting, I hope.
+--- 21955612
+>>21954929
+
+In school I had a hot English teacher, she was probably late 30s then so mid 50s now. She was pretty much the only teacher in school who gave a fuck about me. Used give me extra time on shit, because I'm an ADHD moron. Anyway thanks to her subtle flirting I started enjoying reading, a lot... 
+
+Nothing ever happened, but I remember having to read in a back room after school to get the marks or I was going to fail that class and the whole year because of it. She'd come and make sure I wasn't fucking around and there was something in the air when she came in. Damn. 
+
+She was smoking hot then, and she's the principle now and looks like that >>21955518
+--- 21955619
+Lattimore>Fitzgerald>Tyrone>Fagles>Wilson
+--- 21955620
+>>21955575
+For who, no one but the deranged pedophile. Drown yourself.
+--- 21955666
+>>21955620
+Liking prime 18 year old puss is not degenerate, being a grannychaser nigger is. simple as
+--- 21955679
+>>21955666
+
+It is possible to like both.
+--- 21955784
+>>21955666
+18 to 28 is usually the general standard “prime” you dip.
+
+>>21955679
+He’s just being an edgy pedo
+--- 21955871
+>>21955679
+Never knew anyone who liked both
+--- 21955964
+>>21955871
+>I never knew anyone who liked both 18 year old women and women in their 20s and 30s
+
+Nigga… just…
+--- 21956189
+>>21955567
+>A Greek man would lose all political rights if it was found out that he was sodomised, even if it was against his will or as a child.
+Misinterpretation of Aeschines’ oration ‘Against Timarchos’. You lose political rights for being a prostitute, not for being sodomised. Aeschines makes this very clear. He even says that he himself has had homosexual love affairs, says that Solon permitted pederasty to the free and not to slaves in order to put it in the category of worthy things, and argues that Achilles and Patroclus were ‘erotic lovers’. ‘Brothers in arms’ do not typically stick their cocks between each others thighs, as we see depicted on Greek vases and as we are told by Aeschylus that Achilles and Patroclus had sex. Please read the Greeks.
+--- 21956192
+>>21955784
+>38 to 68 is usually the general standard “prime”
+Ftfy

lit/21950795.txt

@@ -49,3 +49,64 @@ He's the Lebron James of literature.
 --- 21953494
 >>21953484
 Could you give a de-negrified example?
+--- 21954654
+>>21950795 (OP)
+Good take, op
+--- 21954910
+>>21950795 (OP)
+Name a single important observation
+--- 21954954
+Wagner was the one who really explained Shakespeare the best:
+>At anyrate we believe we shall really expedite the solution of an extremely difficult problem if we define the Shakespearian Drama as a fixed mimetic improvisation of the highest poetic worth.
+--- 21954995
+The play is not that which manifests his genius but indeed the sonnets.
+--- 21955015
+>>21950848
+othello is maghrebi, not black. black people were virtually unseen in europe at the time and certainly were not put in high ranking military positions. the idea itself is preposterous, and it was a drama not a comedy. in fact there was only one in all history (mulatto son of french aristocrat in late 1700s)
+--- 21955022
+>>21950795 (OP)
+True I have always preferred Pinter and Beckett as far as brits/micks go. Shakespeare is normie chick flick equivalent goyslop
+--- 21955080
+>>21954910
+>Hamlet
+Preoccupation with and fear of death generally manifests itself as detachment from life and boredom designed to conceal the extent of one's fear from oneself and others. For such a person, a brush with and confrontation with the reality of death will rapidly move them to action
+--- 21955282
+>>21955080
+>rapidly move them to action
+Doesn’t sound like Hamlet then
+--- 21955455
+>>21955282
+As soon as he gets done with the pirates he confronts the king and ophelia's brother
+--- 21955506
+Hamlet stabbed like 5 people because a ghost told him to which is pretty fucking based
+--- 21955584
+>>21950795 (OP)
+>muh psychological insight
+Kys
+--- 21955674
+>>21950795 (OP)
+Hamlet made me realize how much I hate my mother
+--- 21955683
+>>21955584
+I am positive that whatever position you hold on the value of literature, it's utterly fucking retarded
+--- 21955762
+>>21955080
+but rapidly acting is the exact opposite of hamlet's character, it's kind of the whole point
+--- 21955770
+>>21955762
+>a brush with and confrontation with the reality of death
+I'm referring to the fact that his interaction with the pirates changed his relationship with death and motivated him to confront his uncle. It's the whole point of his soliloquy with the skull
+--- 21956779
+>>21950795 (OP)
+I recently read a bunch of his plays (long time after hs) and it's pretty evident he was a genius. Very, very few pieces measure up to even his worst works, it's actually mind-boggling. I'm glad I gave him another chance after not appreciating him before.
+--- 21956834
+Why yes, l will bump you with pre-Rafaelites.
+--- 21956877
+>>21956834
+--- 21956968
+James Joyce was based and fucked with academics on purpose, in my opinion to point out how ridiculous they've become, but literary innovations? What? Stream of consciousness, maybe? What else? Shakespeare reigns supreme over all.
+--- 21957523
+>>21950795 (OP)
+>People aren't interested in Shakespeare because they're interested in plays. They're interested in him because they're interested in genius. People who look to him for Joycian literary innovation are barking up the wrong tree, and it makes sense that they wouldn't appreciate him.
+
+Only a randian boomer or quantum coach would be interested in Shakespeare for his genius. Define genius. Genius on literature without literary parameters? Do you have parameters for the depths of a soul? Will you use a ruler? Shakespeare's structures and themes are not his impressives qualities, they frequently are stolen or heavily inspired. But there is one sense that no one ever produced a text as rich as his: metaphors, similes and vocabulary — the shakespearean textual texture is unparalled in human history. The diverse beauty of the poetry in his plays.

lit/21951032.txt

@@ -110,3 +110,89 @@ Sir?
 >>21952772
 >department in fucking Lebanon
 Based Brassier
+--- 21954864
+C O S M I C
+
+U
+
+C
+
+K
+
+O
+
+L
+
+D
+--- 21955447
+>>21953544
+if 'being a total failure' is 'based' then yeah. these dudes are losers whose only audience is internet retards because no one with training takes them seriously, they're immediately recognizable as boring hacks... hence all the sour grapes in their "passages"
+--- 21955451
+>>21953544
+Didn't Lebanon all but collapse in recent years? How's he holding up? Seems like being there would be far more extreme than Land's China-trip.
+--- 21955543
+>>21955447
+>being this mad that people actually want to read a philosopher
+Lol. Talk about sour grapes...
+--- 21955552
+>>21953208
+I dont even agree with Brassier or Laruelle about anything, your personality is just basically the equivalent of garbage overheating in the sun. It manages to be pathetic and feeble while also completely unlikable and rancid, its almost impressive how bad it is
+--- 21955566
+>>21955447
+>if 'being a total failure' is 'based' then yeah. these dudes are losers whose only audience is internet retards because no one with training takes them seriously,
+Kek, Brassier published a statement in which he basically called blogoshpere retarded and said that you can't expect serious Philosophical discourse from those shitholes. Whatever you say they're considered "cool" philosophers and they have way more influence over millennials and zoomers than any other boomer philosophers. Lebanon is a beautiful country with a kino culture which is currently going through hard times. For the record I am not Lebanese or middle eastern. 
+
+You're a faggot seething for no reason. 
+
+>>21955451
+Yes, and after the collapse Brassier didn't left Lebanon and his students because he is not a pussy.
+--- 21955611
+The worst aspects of modern philosophy in the Continent are generally traceable back to Heidegger, especially his late work. The attempt to make a complete break with all previous philosophy. Every new philosopher trying to show how he is actually the first one who manage to truly escape Platonism. The abundance of neologisms. Purple prose. Viewing clear writing as naive or boring or old fashioned.
+--- 21955690
+>>21955611
+be careful you might trigger the big tough internet philosophers, and they might call you mean names like "Garbage" and "faggot". It's almost like reading garbage fake philosophy written by failures for failures is not a good way to become a thoughtful articulate person...
+--- 21955699
+>>21955566
+>they're considered "cool philosophers" 
+hahahaha by who? random subliterates on the internet?
+--- 21955714
+>>21955690
+You havent said literally a single coherent thing about any philosophical idea so whatever training you've had only served to make you bitter and repulsive.
+--- 21955726
+>>21955699
+Nobody will ever care about any opinions you have about philosophy lmao. You will always be an ugly, unlikable, irrelevant dumbass
+--- 21955799
+>>21955726
+oh i dont care about philosophy. i'm more into like, anti-philosophy, and non-philosophy, and conta-philosophy, and nega-philosophy, etc. So the les respect I get for my philosophical opinions the better, because I am doing the opposite of it. 
+
+>>21955714
+oh I was anti-trained in non-philosophy to say incoherent things. it's like this really cool idea that i read about on the internet, all the kids are really into it.
+--- 21955814
+>>21955690
+Define success and please show me the successful philosophers who write for the successful?
+--- 21955818
+>>21955799
+The reason it's so obvious that you're ugly is the combination of the timidity and unwillingness to directly confront with the seething jealousy and status anxiety. It just so clearly indicates that you look disgusting. Unfortunately you also appear to be socially retarded so you cant even make up for it
+--- 21955833
+>>21955818
+Not him but you sound like a psychopath
+--- 21955838
+>>21955566
+He can think that, all the while academia becomes more and more bogged down by bureaucracy. The only creative ideas are coming out of those “shitholes”, like it or not
+--- 21955866
+>>21955818
+Dog is this your first time being trolled on 4chan or what? Unironically go back to r-ddit hahahaha weird ass motherfucker. crazy you can read all this really smart philosophy but can't figure out that people will fuck with nerds on the internet and make them mad. 
+
+oh wait, maybe you're doing like a, non-posting kind of thing where you deconstruct the archeology of the being of posting and that's why you're acting like a big whiny baby
+--- 21955872
+>>21955866
+You know youre ugly and people dont like you. You can't even affect aloofness properly because you've been seething about Ray Brassier for like 24 hours on 4chan so it just appears ridiculous
+--- 21956047
+>>21955872
+dude you're soooo mad. how ugly am i? can you draw me a picture of what you think i look like?
+--- 21957214
+>laruelle thread hijacked by a seething "in english, einstein" shitwit
+--- 21957397
+>>21957214
+>Within the ideal field or the universal horizon that form Ideas, or even in the real-ideal field that forms Being, thinking the One as it is is a contradiction that is resolved by the reduction of the One if not to the Idea, at least to the systems of Ideas or Being, because, then, it is only a Superior Idea or the superior form of Ideas, the transcendence of Ideas towards-itself-as-towards-their-system or “the same.” However, to really think the One beyond Ideas as such is no longer a contradiction: it is to reclaim a knowledge that exceeds the sphere of thought where the contradiction is possible, where its conditions to be evoked and resolved (its relativity, the relative unity of contraries) are excluded.
+this shit makes fun of itself, no seething shitwit needed

lit/21951420.txt

@@ -171,3 +171,284 @@ Yeah, I'm calling midwit. Not gonna bother with your videos mate.
 --- 21953700
 >>21951420 (OP)
 I already knew this
+--- 21953791
+>>21952681
+As someone who's studied in a physical science faculty I can say your view is complete bullshit. You are fundamentally clueless.
+--- 21953808
+>>21951420 (OP)
+Can nothing be pregnant with something? No, to be pregnant with something is to be something and thus not nothing. Since everything's pregnant with something, there is no nothing.
+--- 21953824
+>>21951420 (OP)
+I was right again you fucks.
+--- 21953887
+>>21953791
+>As someone who's studied in a physical science faculty I can say your view is complete bullshit. You are fundamentally clueless.
+You're saying I'm wrong that academic respond with new ideas with childish hostility? ha, but you missed the point and you did respond with chilidish hostility when the observation wasn't even about you.
+
+We're talking about the disconnect between mainline philosophy and the material sciences. You want to muddy the subject by derailing into personal attacks as usual with your type.
+--- 21953946
+>>21953791
+As someone who's studied in a physical science faculty I can say your view is complete bullshit. You are fundamentally clueless, Mr. Semmelweis.
+
+Also [everything we're currently doing today] I will support wholeheartedly and insult anyone who questions it, tomorrow when [we're shown to have been dangerously incompetent for doing what we're currently doing today] I will ignore what happened and continue to insult anyone who questions something else that we're doing. The idea to investigate a thing or discuss amicably is unknown to me, for people who say unbiased investigation is science they're clueless. Trust me. I am a priest who is peer approved as an authority due to my ability to rote-recall a series of dogmas.
+--- 21953988
+>>21951420 (OP)
+>particles can come from nothing
+i cant wait for fatties to use this as justification for their weight gain
+--- 21953997
+>>21951420 (OP)
+there is no disconnect. science is regularly confirming conventional wisdom and theology. only fools don't understand this
+--- 21954013
+pop science nonsense is 80 iq magnet
+
+listen, i have some formal education in mathematics and physics and let me tell you: 
+serious physicists are all working in trillion dollar industries such as semiconductors, nuclear and aeronautics
+pop science gossip is for literal retards who couldnt DO the science 
+philosophers, lawyers, political scientists, journos, these are all gossip bitches, gossip retards who go to their grave without ever publishing ANYTHING with any predictive power, without ever proving anything, measuring anything, practicing anything reliable, tested, proven..
+they are no better than other retards in welfare jobs and service industry, you know, those mental cripples who serve fast food, and just like them they are paid nothing because they produce nothing, they are not people, they are not serious humans, they are bloatware of society, and all they do is fucking gossip
+--- 21954044
+>>21951420 (OP)
+>Big Think
+and
+>"Nothing" Doesn't Exist
+>Particles can come from nothing
+--- 21954081
+>>21953997
+name 5 times this has happened
+--- 21954102
+>>21954081
+>center of the earth is made out of fire (literally hell)
+>the flood is a confirmed historical event
+>quantum physics confirm the existence of Platonic forms/holographic model of the universe
+i can't name two more but i've already made my point
+--- 21954103
+>>21952872
+>What created the quantum soup?
+God/Brahman
+--- 21954111
+>>21954102
+>>center of the earth is made out of fire (literally hell)
+Deduced via Volcanos (also the source of the Abrahamic god)
+>the flood is a confirmed historical event
+Ancestral memory from the last Ice Age
+>quantum physics confirm the existence of Platonic forms/holographic model of the universe
+Ancient explanation for eye floaters, now obsoleted by modern optometry 
+
+So far you have provided 3 examples of religion badly explaining science, not the other way around.
+--- 21954224
+>>21952227
+>all evidence collected and all tests ever made pointed for those theories not being wrong
+Humans can only get partial knowledge of a thing through testing so those theories basically have to be wrong from a TOE perspective. A "complete science" after Descartes is just not possible since hard consciousness exists.
+--- 21954232
+>>21954111
+>So far you have provided 3 examples of religion badly explaining science,
+No, he said: science is regularly confirming conventional wisdom and theology
+
+i.e. religion makes a thing up, science-priest takes penis of inferior human (we are all equal in gods eyes, except for jews who are superior) and confirms it in order to appease the mob.
+--- 21954238
+>>21954224
+>. A "complete science" after Descartes is just not possible
+(Are you) suggesting that, e.g. when you push the ball 99 times (and become able to predict the trajectory) it's a fluke, or that you've suddenly become drunk and can't trust yourself to understand what you'ere seeing anymore? I don't get the point of view that this is coming from ...
+--- 21954254
+>>21951961
+I think he has a point though even if he sounds like an idiot. This is what common sense really looks like, whereas most people think common sense means "trust the science."
+--- 21954318
+>>21953251
+So you're telling me we haven't progressed an inch since Aristotle?
+--- 21954334
+>>21954254
+>whereas most people think common sense means "trust the science."
+Science does not mean blind obedience to a dogma; "trust in the man", Science refers to the powers of prediction; "sci"(lit. to know, to see the future, "scry,"), if an institution calling itself 'scientific' is incapable of making consistently correct predictions (or refuses to self-correct when shown to inferior to someone who is able to predict consistently) then it's a dogmatic organization more resembling a religious or personality cult (around an icon or idol). As western academe came wholesale from Catholic Theological Centers (monastic university) it has been irrational dogmatic and existing to defend the [local business of the day] in its conduct for centuries by design.
+
+FUN PARADOX again,
+Religious people who recognize this about western 'scientific institutions' cannot articulate the thing they recognize without having to decry religious dogmas which they themselves venerate.
+--- 21954348
+>>21951461
+>anyone else's trust in these institutions is faith-based.
+That goes without saying. Most people are evidently too retarded to notice this and get angry when you mention it as if you were accusing them of a terrible crime. Their ideas about the world are very superficial.
+--- 21954349
+Look's like ether's back on the menu boys
+--- 21954353
+>>21954348
+>Most people
+>>21954254
+>most people
+citation needed.
+
+again, see: >>21954334
+>if an institution calling itself 'scientific' is incapable of making consistently correct predictions (or refuses to self-correct when shown to inferior to someone who is able to predict consistently) then it's a dogmatic organization more resembling a religious or personality cult (around an icon or idol).
+i.e. they're agreeing with you that the "western science theory" is not scientific.
+--- 21954368
+>>21954334
+That's not the fun religious part though. The science doesn't matter and is meaningless without the man behind it, who is always religious in some way whether he believes correctly that matter doesn't exist or that people deserve the "right" to do a lot of stupid stuff like vote and mutilate themselves. You just end up getting these engineer personality types who so thoroughly repress their own consciousness that they forget they actually have these things called "will" and "drives" and attribute their entire being to le cold and rational intelligence. Everything they do is therefore completely rational which causes them to go into a seething frenzy when met with external incompatible humans. For them, intelligence is not one thing among many.
+--- 21954384
+>>21954368
+>The science doesn't matter and is meaningless without the man behind it,
+Fundamentally disagree with this; "any knowledge we possess has been derived from submission to the evidence from the study of a natural process," meaning that a human may concord to 'real science' in order to be correct and prosperous, or they don't. The processes in the material universe remain the same whether humans care to acknowledge them or not, is my point, so in many ways "the man (the peer reviewed consensus agreed opinion" is always irrelevant if it fails to concord to reality.
+--- 21954385
+>>21954353
+I meant that most people literalky do not think that much if at all about the ideas they have and sense in the world. Nothing and something is only vaguely defined in their mind and mostly understood through negative reason. If everything was just a massive gray blob with no distinction to the furthest reaches of the universe would you say that something exists? Supposedly vaccuum doesn't exist, not a new philosophical theory and one actually held by the ancients. Therefore there is nothing that seperates this gray blob into coherent building blocks
+--- 21954406
+>>21954384
+>The processes in the material universe remain the same whether humans care to acknowledge them or not,
+Yes, and that's precisely why the man behind it, who actually chooses to do something with it, is what actually matters. Besides, I think some things will always remain beyond our understanding. There is after all no guarantee that even our senses sense the whole thing, ofc they don't sense the entire universe but only the tiniest fraction of it at a time, but whether we can sense the things as they truly are.
+--- 21954413
+>>21954406
+Forgot to add that if that is the case then our understanding of the universe is in many ways composed of ideas that we ourselves have put there.
+--- 21954445
+>>21954413
+>if that is the case then our understanding of the universe is in many ways composed of ideas that we ourselves have put there
+We can show that's not true, not really I mean (yes, people will make-up nonsense), as: "any knowledge we possess has been derived from submission to the evidence from the study of a natural process," .... but I agree with you overall, >>21954406 it's just more the case that the real science is always violently opposed and that men today have come to call themselves 'scientists' in the same manner that men yesterday came to call themselves 'godly', in order to borrow from a societal sense of esteem and authority derived from the name.
+
+We could call it the "man in white coat" fallacy perhaps, as it would encompass theological and secular perpetrators of this, and the crowd-appeal inherent in the self-presentation of people like that.
+
+>>21954385
+>Therefore there is nothing that seperates this gray blob into coherent building blocks
+Even if it were true, hypothetically (and i don't it is true), then this observation has no impact on us as humans; we're still organic creatures in a material universe and we're still in the position where if we fail to understand the coherency in "how to grow crops," for example, we're objectively going to suffer horribly.
+
+i.e. the individual is still either forced to choose; either: make the best of it or lose to those who either succeed at this or those who just exist to consume and leave a wasteland behind them.
+
+Civilization, then, is unchanged by the existential crisis of this question,
+>If everything was just a massive gray blob with no distinction to the furthest reaches of the universe would you say that something exists? 
+
+i.e. if you get sick you're still going to seek help to relieve the pain because you are a material monkey in a material world at the mercy of it. So it's wise to understand what 'it' is.
+--- 21954593
+>>21951420 (OP)
+Gravity's Rainbow
+--- 21954630
+>>21951420 (OP)
+https://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe
+--- 21954639
+>>21952872
+--- 21954778
+>>21951980
+can you just tell me what happens when I die?
+
+can anyone?
+--- 21954886
+>>21951420 (OP)
+Parmenides was right and science fags should take note
+--- 21955013
+>>21954778
+That would solve so many things, unfortunately we won't know for a long time.
+--- 21955280
+>>21954238
+I've fucked your wife 99 times and you have never come home early and caught us, so basically it's impossible for you to ever catch us.
+--- 21955304
+>>21951980
+>Is the arrow of time real
+I truly don't get how physicists argue this other than the fact their brains are melted by platonic ideals. You're young, old, and die. What practical import would it make if that were reversed, staccato, or other flux?
+--- 21955318
+>>21954778
+>what happens when I die?
+Campers take your inventory
+--- 21955482
+>>21953251
+>>21954318
+Good, people are finally realizing this again.
+--- 21955523
+>>21954778
+Why would I spoil that for you...
+
+All I can say is turn around and run!
+--- 21955859
+>Scientific materialism: the path to hell
+>A critical examination of the premises, promises and plans of material science
+http://www.occult-mysteries.org/scientific-materialism.html
+>Why matter matters
+>Separating fact from fancy in the theories of science about matter
+http://www.occult-mysteries.org/why-matter-matters.html
+>The weighty problem of Gravity
+>We investigate the flaws in the scientific theories of gravity and the reasons why some scientists are looking for alternative theories to explain the workings of this mysterious force
+http://www.occult-mysteries.org/gravity.html
+>Gravitational waves make a big noise
+>We examine the claims of science to have discovered so-called 'gravitational waves' and compare the speculations of scientists with the facts of occult science
+http://www.occult-mysteries.org/gravitational-waves.html
+>The Occult Aether
+>An investigation of the ancient and modern theories about Aether compared and contrasted with the facts of Occult Science
+>The Occult Sun
+>We compare the speculative theories of material science with some of the little-known facts of occult science to reveal something of the hidden mysteries of the Sun.
+http://www.occult-mysteries.org/occult-sun.html
+--- 21955863
+>>21955859
+Forgot Aether link
+http://www.occult-mysteries.org/occult-aether.html
+--- 21955875
+salty /x/ schizos criticize materialism because it is categorically superior to /x/ tier nonsense
+simple as 
+when you are injured you go to a doctor, not to /x/ tier shamans 
+when you need transportation you look for an engineer, not for a philosopher or a priest 
+etc 
+fucking hell even when you look for entertainment and meaning, people started looking towards materialists because you other retards are categorically #btfo
+--- 21955885
+>>21955859
+>occult science 
+nice gossip, but why arent these 'occult scientists' making engines, reactors, solving problems irl, etc? why isnt your science producing trillion dollars industries like nuclear, semiconductor, pharmaceutical etc? 
+
+pro tip: you wont be able to reply without ad hominem
+--- 21955927
+>>21954349
+>ether
+Quantum Foam is more like the Dao or Ginnungagap than the ether.
+
+>>21953285
+There's evidence for the spontaneous generation and destruction of matter-antimatter particle couples in "void", and the evidence doesn't really allow for much else due to the size of the measurable effect. 
+
+John Wheeler chose "foam" because it doesn't actually have "real" solidity, and is constantly moving, btw.
+--- 21956053
+>>21954778
+Your consciousness comes to an end. It's pretty straightforward based on the available evidence.
+--- 21956065
+>>21955304
+Hawking actually addresses this in A Brief History of Time and makes a convincing argument for why the arrow of time must proceed as it does, I'd have to look it up to get it accurately but it was pretty interesting. More interesting is the fact that "in time" is kind of the wrong way to think about it. Time is more like a quality of space and matter, but that's a bit to hard for our minds to conceptualize properly so we just think of it as another physical space, as if we are on a tram line heading down tracks where we look behind us and ahead of us.
+--- 21956381
+>>21956065
+This is an incredibly brief summation, but: we do not live in 4D euclidean spacetime, we live in 4D minkowski spacetime.
+
+Euclidean: A^2+B^2+C^2+D^2=E^2
+Minkoswki: A^2+B^2+C^2-D^2=E^2
+
+A, B, and C are spatial axes, D is the temporal axis (this is a gross simplification). This is also why there is a "speed of light".
+--- 21956458
+>>21952872
+it was not created, it always existed
+--- 21956464
+>>21953254
+those equations make predictions that can be tested in reality
+--- 21956496
+>>21955885
+>nice gossip
+It's not worth having a discussion with someone who replies like this.
+Pro tip: have a nice day
+--- 21956529
+>>21955927
+>more like the Dao or Ginnungagap
+Or the greek Chaos
+Hesiod and the poets were right all along
+--- 21957041
+>>21952681
+>'fake intellectuals' who are petulantly hostile to inquiry or improvement upon things or discoveries.
+It's not that they are hostile to inquiry. The problem is that you, and millions like you, know absolutely nothing about their field, read one headline without even understanding what it's saying, then come up with some "gotcha!" that you think is a flaw debunking the entire theory. They've thought of it. They have an explanation for it. But you aren't interested in an explanation, because your goal is to disprove something you don't understand rather than to actually get an answer, and even if you were interested in an answer, you don't have the requisite knowledge to understand the answer.
+--- 21957054
+>>21951420 (OP)
+Parmenides chads… we won
+--- 21957100
+>Ctrl+f whitehead
+>0
+This board keeps getting retardeder.
+It's already been reconciled, OP.
+--- 21957236
+>>21951980
+cause and effect is a logical issue, not a physics one
+--- 21957507
+>>21951420 (OP)
+issue is you either have scientists with no background in philosophy, or philosophers with no capacity for quantum science, someone would need to be disciplined in both and be brilliant on top of that
+--- 21957527
+>>21957100
+>ctrl+f guenon
+>1
+Nah, it's not too bad.
+--- 21957531
+>>21955885
+>why isnt your science producing trillion dollars industries like nuclear, semiconductor, pharmaceutical etc?
+Yeah I dunno, maybe because it is not evil, not imbued with the spirit of the Jewish golem?

lit/21951502.txt

@@ -195,3 +195,253 @@ Yeah you know, I think the jerk store might be hiring
 --- 21953477
 >>21951800
 You probably bitch about boomers having it good, but what you are describing is basically what they did. You think you are some kind of hero? OK then, go fight for Azov and be the nazi you think you are. I'll send some extra BTC to them if you do it.
+--- 21953790
+>>21951502 (OP)
+i studied something with good job prospects but then studying philosophy gave me an excuse to not improve my interview skills as a result my job prospects dwindled 
+philosophy must be a killer of job prospects
+--- 21953815
+>>21951502 (OP)
+I consider having a job a violation and very loserlike, fundamentally, and hence, having bad job prospects is a boon. What I did end up doing with my double major in philosophy and comparative literature is teach at university part-time, and I like it. I'm comfortably lower middle class on my single income, and for part-time work, that makes me happy. Fulll-time employment makes me want to kill myself. I will invariably start abusing hard drugs within 14 days of having full-time employment.
+
+With that said, philosophy is completely fine. Third-highest IQ of all majors, surpassed only by physics and mathematics (but even here, philosophy has much higher verbal IQ, which is what matters in non-technical jobs), and philosophy majors end up with the highest pay of all humanities graduates, outranking almost all social science majors, and even a few of the STEM majors.
+
+But none of it means shit for (You) in particular. You will see losers with philosophy degrees because some losers are attracted to the dude weed lmao aspect of philosophy. If you are one of these people, the degree is not what makes you a failure. You will see very succesful philosophy majors who succeed because of their IQ and drive. If you are one of these people, the degree does not matter, and you will likely succeed regardless. 
+
+Just stop worrying so much and realize that selling your soul for an upper middle-class wage is the greatest crime you can commit towards yourself.
+--- 21953841
+>>21951502 (OP)
+I literally work at the EU Commission with only a Master in Philosophy.
+Worked in Reinsurance beforehand as well.
+
+Phil degrees arent useless. Its just you who is a retard at making it in the business and political world. Unironically not even joking. 90% of my degree friends are like you, only working at clubs and bars or in theatres now, but that <10% do more interesting stuff than almost all Law, economics, etc majors. 
+And no, I am not from an Anglo country where degrees are somewhat superficial.
+--- 21953847
+>>21951502 (OP)
+Don't care. Didn't double major in Philosophy and English lit for a job, I did it purely out of intellectual interest and a desire to be cultured in the traditional western sense.
+
+If I can't get an academic job i'll go back to being a security guard, except i'll take a monitoring job or other job where I can spend all my time reading philosophy and writing either Philosophy papers or my novels.
+
+Before uni, I used to work as a security guard, my job was to stand in front of the store and not move for 8 hours a day. Over time, I felt a hole grow inside me, a yearning for something.
+
+When the bushfires hit, the place where I was had it coming in on all four fronts. And I thought to myself "If I survive this, i'm going to University, and i'm also going to wear a blue suit." I don't wear the suot yet because it would look a bit autistic as an undergrad, but i'm happy with my choice.
+
+I can live with poverty, isolation and a low social status. I can love with not having the things society says I should want to have. But what I can't love with, is knowing that I could have pursued a PhD in philosophy, that I could have pursued my dreams, what I can't live with is never having tried.
+
+>>21951738
+This, see Debord's Society of the Spectacle
+--- 21953991
+>>21951502 (OP)
+Lol, I went through the philosophical canon myself in my early to mid 20s and I know more about philosophy than any undergrad I've ever met. STEMfag and got a job straight away.
+--- 21954009
+>>21953991
+> philosophical canon
+>Never wrote a philosophy essay
+>Hasn't read the current literature/papers
+>Hasn't had the books he read put in academic context
+
+It's great that you read the canon, but there's a lot more to philosophy than that.
+--- 21954052
+i went degreeless on a construction site to be a human mule
+utterly and completely unskilled, bleeding blisters on both hands and feet
+early 20ies 
+was making above average pay doing it too
+learned welding and electrician trade on the job
+took me a few months to get certified in both, fast track program, sponsored by construction company 
+mid 20ies, made more money than average humanities university professor with phd and everything 
+nearly 30 now, slowly thinking about retirement because i lived like im homeless and put everything extra i made into dax40 (euro fag) and sp500
+might go for a helicopter pilot licence now, idk, pure vanity project for me
+
+life is a simple fucking thing 
+get a real job (aerospace, semiconductors, pharmaceuticals, engineering degrees, medical degrees), get 6 digits starting, live a real life 
+retards, cripples and imbeciles study these fake degrees like humanities and serve fast food until they die, and then blame capitalism
+too retarded for engineering? get a trade you fucking retard 
+gossip, babysitting excel files, corporate/academia buzzword isms, not producing anything, service 'industry', this is for women
+women
+fucking women, welfare jobs designed by politicians for women
+if you are outside heavy industry, military or manufacturing, you never had a god damn fucking job because you never built or produced anything 
+not even post scarcity startreck sci fi society would have a use for the types like you, let alone living on earth 
+
+you did this, enjoy pseudo welfare ghetto for 80 iq retards, i would rather kill myself than live your life
+--- 21954100
+>>21954009
+I could write essays on certain neoplatonism niches or some parts of the transcendental philosophy. Average phil undergrad couldn't. And I never claimed to be a scholar anyway. Also being an academic =/= being a philosopher. There's a lot more to philosophy than being an academic too. Still, if I could go back to uni I would definitely study philosophy.
+--- 21954255
+>>21951531
+good post
+--- 21954265
+>>21951502 (OP)
+Bit the bullet and went to law school. It's kind of related. I like the reading, writing and research aspect. The forced social aspect, however, kind of sucks.
+--- 21954277
+>it's another humcel "hurr why dont i get a job that's 1:1 with the stuff i studied in uni????" thread
+If you can't take the theory you learned and apply it to a pencil pusher job, then it's not even over, it never even began for you. 
+As a humcel, it's unironically easier to get a job since you have skills that codemonkey pajeets and business """""""""""school""""""""" sociopaths don't have. 
+
+t. admin job at a private company as a religious studies BA and comparative literature MA
+--- 21954364
+>>21954009
+Bit presumptuous saying he’s never written an essay or has never accessed academic papers on the topics he studies
+--- 21954390
+>>21951677
+>Can't one just replace them with a camera and some basic AI image detection software?
+1. CCTVs are just not worth it for small properties. When it's a big property, a CCTV system is more viable, but then you still need a dude sitting on the feed, even it it has some sort of automation system - paying one dude to sit and work out it's quirks on spot is still more viable than have it automatically dial 911 from spotting cats twice a night and paying associated fines. If anything, the advances in cameras and software make it more viable to have one guy sit on a centralized feed from multiple properties in a neighborhood, using automated recognition to better keep an eye on them all. 
+2. Even when you have a very good monitoring system - a guy snoozing at the guard desk dissuades dumbass robbers much better than an even a very advanced monitoring system. Yeah, the police will catch them after the break-in using your footage, but it's just more convinient if they see a guy at the desk and just don't bother. And you have a ton of money - the best option is to have an advanced monitoring system AND a guy at the guard post.
+--- 21954436
+>>21951502 (OP)
+I will go for a Phd and try to make it in academia. If nothing works out I can just study something else while taking a job.
+--- 21954575
+all your philosophy/psychology/sociology/anthropology/political science/law/management/greeks/x/religion/whatever books have as much predictive power as gypsy fortune telling, and similar job prospects in entertainment, nepotism hires, diversity hires, gossip/service sector dead end minwage office drone type lives
+unless you are reading engineering type books, and call yourself academic/intellectual, you are a fucking pseud
+and the more phds you have in these gossip fields, the bigger retard you are
+vanity degrees today are what soap operas were in the 50s, this shit is for unemployed housewives
+--- 21954624
+>>21954575
+STEM degrees aren't practical anymore either, we have AI now. Nobody's knowledge based ego survives the near future.
+--- 21954629
+>>21954575
+weak bait and too much text
+--- 21954658
+>>21954575
+The scent here is very strong, im tempted to bite
+--- 21954661
+>>21952102
+shut the fuck up, future parasite
+--- 21954671
+>>21954575
+Proof that without an arts degree your ability to reason and express yourself coherently is dogshit. Fuck yourself and go back to sucking off STEM majors on /sci/ you retarded nigger.
+--- 21954679
+>>21954624
+This
+>STEM degrees aren't practical anymore either, we have AI now.
+
+A big part of what it means to be human is that we admire human being who accomplish something hard/solve hard problems, what if we surrender all the hard problems for AI to solve in the future.
+
+If that become the case what will be the driving force for our culture? Do we just live like Mollusks until we die?
+--- 21954681
+>>21954100
+>average Phil undergrad couldn’t
+I think you underestimate them. That is really elementary stuff.
+--- 21954685
+>>21954681
+So what do philosophy students at prestigious institutions do? I mean what's really the meat of philosophical scholarship? Genuinely curious.
+--- 21954690
+I have a diploma in economic studies and I'm jobless for years
+--- 21954695
+>>21954681
+No, the majority of undergrads get taught a segment about Neoplatonism where they receive a rough idea of the hypostases, what they mean (in a very vague sense) and how they relate to humanity. This is the "elementary stuff" most undergrads can parrot out if you ask them, which really does not express much of the content of Plotinus's thought at all. If you asked them to elaborate on the relationship between the world soul, daimones, gods and the individual soul (how they all interrelate), most students wouldn't know how to answer it properly. At the very least they'd have to go back and study/cross-reference quite a few chapters from the Enneads to be able to give a coherent answer.
+--- 21954746
+>>21951502 (OP)
+you do not waste money to study lit and philosophy at uni, especially not for a degree lol you only go to uni to study STEM to get practical experience in laboratories for future jobs, you can study on your own, most lectures are on yt and the best unis course literature can be found on their sites so just download the books. Unless you are 100% determined that you want to go for a phd in literature/phil then go for it.
+Majored in chemistry with a master in analytical chemistry but I read more phil & litterature during my uni years.
+--- 21954761
+>>21954052
+The thread dedicated to anons who studied philosophy/literature in uni.
+--- 21954783
+>>21954265
+I wish I had went to law school when I was younger.
+--- 21954792
+>>21953815
+I also took a job with my university after I graduated, no grad degree. I’m full-time but might switch to part-time soon. You’re definitely right that it’s better than having a conventional job, but now that I’m thirty I still feel like my whole life just went out the window.
+--- 21954794
+>>21953477
+They filed physical documents in folders and file cabinets until the late 90s. You have no idea what you’re talking about. And stop projecting.
+--- 21954804
+>>21952167
+Wish I could say the same. I persevered for 6 years to get a degree and it’s only made me miserable. It taught me nothing. You’re happy because you pursued your interest, music, and not because you went to school.
+--- 21954811
+>>21951531
+You have two routes in life towards a high quality of life in a scarce environment (reality)
+Conformism or Entepreneurism
+If you are going to confirm, you have to strive to attain the highest conformity possible. I.e. in a Capitalist system, you should be conforming as tightly to the principals of market value as possible. Ergo, go to college to get a competitive job.
+If you are going to be an Entrepreneur, you need to strive to abuse the tendencies of the system as much as possible. So in a capitalist system if you wish to be a scholar, you need to abuse the market's bias towards signaling with money as hard as possible to subsidize your non-conformity.
+Starving artists and welfare babies are losers and their inability to navigate the social order are demonstrations of their personal failures, nothing more.
+--- 21954905
+>>21954811
+>he bought into the system
+Sure calling people losers based on their "success" in the system makes you cool!
+--- 21954926
+>>21951897
+>joyjack.png
+--- 21955028
+>>21954811
+>If you are going to be an Entrepreneur, you need to strive to abuse the tendencies of the system as much as possible. So in a capitalist system if you wish to be a scholar, you need to abuse the market's bias towards signaling with money as hard as possible to subsidize your non-conformity.
+What does this even mean?
+--- 21955098
+>>21953815
+>two bachelor degrees
+>teach at a university 
+Ok
+--- 21955181
+I didn’t study philosophy and got a competitive first job that ended badly for me, from which I never recovered. The moral of the story is that it doesn’t matter what you study. Things can not work out for you regardless.
+--- 21955271
+>>21954905
+t. Loser
+If you can't 'fit in' to the current system you wouldn't have been able to 'fit in' to any system. The whole of society is padded to help you tumble neatly into a functioning role and you still managed to fuck up.
+
+>>21955028
+I'll dumb it down for you.
+In a capitalist system people give money to things they like. If you're not going to work in an industry or service that gives people things they think they need (or really do need) then you need to get people to think they like you so they will give you the money to subsidize your continued non-productivity.
+In a socialist system the signaling might be biased towards social class rather than personal attractiveness. In a theological society signaling is tied to religiosity. These societies still all signal using monetary resources because capitalism is the basic descriptor of human behavioral patterns in the face of scarce resources, but every culture and even subculture has different values.
+Tl;Dr all capitalism is marketing
+--- 21955272
+>>21951738
+You're right, but by the time I realized this I was already $50k in debt and needed a job. Welcome to civilization, either slave away your life doing something you would never do or be a slave.
+--- 21956693
+>>21951665
+>become comfortable discussing issues that require care and patience. try to understand people and how they respond to your attempts at helping them solve problems.
+how to git gud at this? asking for a fren
+--- 21957175
+>>21951685
+
+I has a decent time traveling until I was 25, working in ski towns. Wouldn't be financially feasible right now, was barely able to manage then. It's a shame for the kids today who have that dream that they cant.
+--- 21957249
+>>21954052
+
+I'm a roofer. It's pretty basic but I enjoy it enough. I'm a bit down and out at the moment but I think ill regroup myself and get back into it properly. 
+
+I feel useful doing it. Considering I'm a dumbass that probably couldn't get a degree even If I tried, I finish work every day know society can't function without me doing my small part.
+--- 21957272
+>>21951665
+what if i studied fine arts (at an actual university doing heavy theoretical work, not some craft college or animation "school"). is it over for me broe
+--- 21957551
+>>21954792
+>but now that I’m thirty I still feel like my whole life just went out the window.
+How so? 
+
+>>21955098
+Double major in philosophy and comp. literature, with the master's in philosophy. Master's degrees are standard in my country (nordic) unless you went to tertiary school for engineering or vocation.
+--- 21957556
+>>21951502 (OP)
+>>>/adv/
+--- 21957596
+>>21951679
+like everywhere, just hooped the other day with an excon negro who works as one, i dont think candidate standards are very high
+--- 21957717
+>>21954811
+>Starving artists and welfare babies are losers and their inability to navigate the social order are demonstrations of their personal failures, nothing more.
+There is no other board that gives me such a strong feeling of the disproportion between anon's actual experiences and the way he speaks about things as much as /lit/
+--- 21957763
+>>21954804
+On the contrary, I'm not happy at all. I have no life outside of it. It's a hard thing to pursue, but I'm so far down the hole now that there isn't really any choice but to keep going. Yeah, it was something that I loved, but it has wore thin.
+--- 21957793
+I'm not sure that anyone really finds a ton of meaning in their job. There is always a trade off: meaningful work is often brutal and burns you out, tedious work may pay less but is cushier. 
+
+You could reject it all and travel the world but then you will reach your 30s and 40s and realise that having no savings, no skills and no stability sucks once you hit middle age.
+
+Everything has a trade off, which is why you will never find the correct answer in these threads. Unless you were born into limitless wealth then you will always have to sacrifice something. People who grind hard in their 20s often wish they'd had more fun in their youth once they hit their 30s. People who slacked off in their 20s often wish they had worked harder. It's true that the things that will provide your life meaning are your interpersonal relationships and your passions. If you can get to a point where your job leaves you enough energy to have relationships and indulge in your interests then youre doing ok.
+
+FYI I did a humanities degree and work in the government and yeah it's shit boring, but pretty much everyone I know has things they regret about their careers. There's no winning, life has always been miserable for the most part, you're not special in any historical sense, so pick your poison.
+--- 21957797
+>>21957793
+>no stability sucks once you hit middle age.
+Stability in midlife leads to midlife crises.
+--- 21957804
+>>21951665
+this makes feel pretty good
+
+wagmi
+--- 21957814
+>>21957797
+Sure. But your body and your life is going to slow down whether you want it to or not. There will reach an age where you want stability and it gets increasingly harder to gain that the older you get and the less skills you have. There are exceptions to every rule, so if you have a plan in mind go for it, but unless you plan to kill yourself there will be repercussions you have to deal with regardless of the path you take.
+--- 21957830
+>>21957793
+Best post in here so far. I've somehow managed to combine both of these sides in my life so far: a few years grinding, a few years slacking, a few years grinding, and now slacking again but in a different country. By not fully committing to either I've so far avoided the worst parts of both, but have probably also avoided some of the best parts of both. That is to say, I'm not rich, but I'm not completely broke. My body is not in great shape, but I haven't destroyed it either. I haven't seen the entire world, but I've seen more than I expected I would. My resume isn't particularly impressive, but I'm not a NEET either. Hopefully I'll be able to pivot into government work or something in the future, or even just be a teacher. I'm fine with never being more than middle class or even lower-middle class, but I don't want to be impoverished.

lit/21951933.txt

@@ -119,3 +119,178 @@ no, i rented a room out to one a while back and he was literally proud of the fa
 --- 21953646
 >>21953548
 Same here man; I need to get the fuck off this site and read.
+--- 21953832
+>>21953552
+Why thrillers and mysteries so popular among old people?
+--- 21953848
+>>21951933 (OP)
+Keith woods looks like the son of Joti Brar, she is the leader of ML Communist British party. 
+
+Fascist and Tankies are literally same
+--- 21953924
+>>21951933 (OP)
+God I love this twink.
+--- 21953999
+>>21951933 (OP)
+nope
+>t. one of those zoomers who does
+--- 21954359
+>>21952155
+This. And reading classics only for the sake of reading them, or reading them to appear smart when you have no life experience or wisdom to really understand them is stupid and a waste of time. Modern kids definitely lack that wisdom and they might as well stick to cheesy YA fiction until the are older. 
+
+t. had to read classic literature in high school
+--- 21954373
+>>21951933 (OP)
+there are like 4-5 friends of mine who i would say read as much as i do or more, and they’re all people i grew up with but we’re all scattered about the world now
+feelsbad having to find a new circle in Austin, where everyone’s favorite “indie bookstore” is just a glorified Barnes and Noble and there are virtually no used bookstores
+--- 21954376
+>>21951933 (OP)
+I’m 28 and I just re entered for an undergrad. 
+What I’ve noticed is that zoomers signal with books a lot more - I think it’s an influence of that “dark academia” aesthetic but people will make throw away references to literature that I didn’t hear 18-21 year olds make when I was that age.
+However in the majority of cases it seems to be just that - an empty signal. This isn’t a book but I know a girl who models herself after Rei from NGE despite having not watched the actual anime: she was just that influenced by memes.
+That seems to be the general flavor: Jane Austen gets talked about a lot but I’m convinced they are only watching the movies (and not even the older AE costume dramas but the 2000s 90 minute affairs). They take everything in Pride & Prejudice, for example, at surface level - they idealize those Regency Balls and fancy dress parties which Austen was lambasting. It’s a dress-up party for them, not something to engage with on any deep level.
+--- 21954383
+>>21952155
+>i would say about as many people read classics now as they used to before
+Rabidly delusional take
+--- 21954401
+>>21951933 (OP)
+kek @ that bottom feeding bitch pseud
+
+>>21951963
+Yeah that's basically what it is
+--- 21954409
+>>21952354
+>>21954376
+Just to give an idea where this opinion is coming from -
+I’m this poster and I read Anthony Doerr’s “All the Light We Cannot See,” Waugh’s “Brideshead Revisited,” Mandelbaun’s translation of Ovid’s Metamorphoses, and Malinowski’s “Argonauts of the Western Pacific” this month, along with a Japanese poetry compilation called the 若菜集.
+--- 21954417
+>>21952060
+Anon contra mundum.
+--- 21954422
+>>21951933 (OP)
+>>21954359
+>shitty young-adult fiction.
+Do you really want them reading that shit? Even the shittiest game has a better story than half those books written by old roasties.
+>>21954376
+As a third year, yeah none of them read. If they actually read, they wouldn't be acting so snarky to one another. Part of me wonders if it'd be better if they did truly fawn over actually reading instead of hobbies that used to belong to otaku. That seems like the better outcome.
+--- 21954425
+>>21953832
+I’ve wondered this too, both my parents were ambitious readers when they were younger, and they still read constantly but it’s all detective books. I’m probably extending them goodwill because they’re my parents, but I think you get to a certain age and it becomes hard to deal with power fantasy protagonists or “grabbing muh youth” for the thousandth time.
+Detective novels have a pretty interesting voice and a very broad scope. I think they appeal to lifelong readers with a large index of references in their head and a varied set of interests.
+--- 21954516
+>>21951933 (OP)
+I am a zoomer and I read. As far as the other ones in my area, they are either women who read garbage YA fiction and bad poetry (rupi kaur, etc.) or they don't read. I know one other person my age who reads things that aren't the aforementioned.
+--- 21954543
+>>21952386
+I went to a majority negro school and nobody read shit.
+Now I see news about a reduction in school work to placate under performing students. There is no way zoomers read more under current school admin. And not by their own devices. PoC dont read, and zoomers are more PoC than any other gen before.
+--- 21954549
+>>21952155
+>did young people in other generations read classic literature?
+Yes, at least those among the educated (comparing moderns to historical peasants is a false equivalence no matter how low hanging the fruit) and the idea that they didn't is a hilarious projection.
+--- 21954555
+>>21953548
+Screen detox, go outside enjoy the day. Start training your attention span. It means you might need to suffer boredom but in boredom comes epithanies or reduction in standards of how to allievate said boredom. If you can focus read the page again, if you still cant retain the words try again later.
+--- 21954570
+can any of you pseuds tell me the difference between reading and masturbation? 
+
+all your philosophy/psychology/sociology/anthropology/political science/law/management/greeks/x/religion/whatever books have as much predictive power as gypsy fortune telling, and similar job prospects in entertainment, nepotism hires, diversity hires, gossip/service sector dead end minwage office drone type lives 
+
+unless you are reading engineering type books, and call yourself academic/intellectual, you are a fucking pseud 
+and the more phds you have in these gossip fields, the bigger retard you are 
+vanity degrees today are what soap operas were in the 50s, this shit is for unemployed housewives
+--- 21954584
+>>21951933 (OP)
+does anyone read?
+--- 21954596
+>>21954383
+How many boomers would read classics outside of education? They would read shit like Frank Herbet, Stephen King and maybe once in a blue moon read a Charles Dickens or Jane Austen novel. Strong interest in literature has always been niche outside of education.
+--- 21954672
+>>21954570
+Have you ever thought maybe we just enjoy reading, you fucking histrionic? 
+
+You’re the one reframing this as being about climbing a hierarchy - in my case at least that is the exact attitude that I find objectionable.
+--- 21954687
+>>21954555
+I already go outside for some time or to the gym. Also my reading skill has improved a lot since I first started reading so more rarely I have to read again to understand something. It still happen but I'm sure that many times is because of bad writing. Admittedly I still struggle to focus and have to read again because of my attention span often enough, especially when something is boring but I don't know how to train myself in this.
+--- 21954688
+>>21954555
+Better advice than anything I've read on this website.
+--- 21954689
+>>21951933 (OP)
+Zoomer here. Some of us are trying to read more but our attention spans are completely shot to shit so it's more difficult. 
+
+>I know who are incredibly well-read in literature, philosophy, science, politics, history etc..
+as for that, memes and youtube are underrated educational tools
+--- 21954699
+>>21954596
+As a counterexample, Umberto Eco’s Name of the Rose (a pretty dense piece of historical fiction) was apparently an absolute sensation on nearly the level of GoT when it released, you’d walk on a plane and everyone was reading it. Keep in mind that was in 1980, when the “not reading” slide had already started.
+
+Classics weren’t classics forever. With some notable exceptions like Gatsby, they were at one point just extremely popular contemporary works. This seems like a dumb thing to have to spell out but people seem to be perennially obtuse to the concept. On a tangent: I study music in university and people have the same disconnect about composers, Haydn and Mozart suffer from it the most.
+--- 21954717
+>>21954689
+>why don’t the book go in
+Complaining about your attention span is so incredibly cliché.
+
+>memes and youtube…
+No. You are getting a summary, and someone else’s summary at that.
+Not everyone has to read, but let’s not turn this into Pokémon. The point of novels is that they require time and boredom, not immediate gratification. There’s media for that. 
+Your problem isn’t your attention span, but your general attitude and expectations. Every person in the world has to deal with short-form media (and in spite of the common line, I believe older people are actually more susceptible) like TikTok and YouTube, and yet somehow books are still published - go figure.
+--- 21954861
+>>21954689
+>as for that, memes and youtube are underrated educational tools
+--- 21954862
+>>21951933 (OP)
+I know a few Zoomers, and yeah, it's hard to get them to sit down and read something. But in all fairness, its hard to get them to sit down for anything. 
+>>21953556
+Those numbers are considerably less grim than I would expect, but there's always the risk of self-reporting bias in surveys. 
+And I don't really understand why low income folks don't read more, it's free entertainment if you get a library card. Has modern life and stress really destroyed our attention spans that much? 
+I'm making 30k, and I try to read at least a book a week. More, if audiobooks count. Mostly because I spend a lot of time walking around the lake, and a paper book would be a great way to get flattened by cyclists.
+--- 21954887
+nope. they're all ADHD riddled retards who would rather watch a yootoober than read a book
+--- 21954938
+>>21954570
+sure you might not be a psued but your development seems to have been stinted at some point.
+--- 21955247
+I'm a 1999-zoomer, so I haven't been hit by the same loss of attention span as the younger ones. That said, I mostly don't read literature for pleasure anymore because I'm exhausted from working and studying all day.
+--- 21955401
+>>21954687
+Well good then. You can try reading slower at dense passages. Reread. Or it could be a sign you need a break.
+--- 21955404
+>>21954688
+Thank you.
+--- 21955426
+>>21952155
+I think it’s slightly less than millennials, but for both gen z and millennials the education is so bad that none of them even suspect that they might like reading classic literature.
+--- 21955449
+>touching Keith's slender white body
+>playing with Keith's hair
+>kissing Keith's mouth
+>having Keith read you his latest essay in bed
+--- 21955468
+>>21955449
+Me but it’s Sebastian Flyte
+--- 21955755
+>>21951933 (OP)
+Why does this guy suck so much at making thumbnails. It's always just some dumb still of his face from the video. He always looks so confused and insecure so no wonder he gets barely any views.
+--- 21955759
+>>21951933 (OP)
+I read.
+t. 18 Y/O zoomzoom
+--- 21955796
+>>21954862
+Low income people just want to take a bunch of pills and binge watch tv until they OD to escape life.
+--- 21955804
+>>21955755 
+Clickbait for twink lovers
+--- 21955917
+>>21955449
+mmmmmmmm stop it you're waking my trout up..
+--- 21956048
+>>21951933 (OP)
+Most zoomers are illiterate because widespread 'infotainment' tricks them thinking they don't have to compromise on their attention deficit (funnily enough they technically read more text than any other generation in history, it just can't be in one yome but soread out across tweets and articles) and that they don't have to put in the work doing the proper reading themselves.
+With most zoomers like this there's no challenge to their perceived knowlege and understanding of subjects in their echo chambers so they don't feel pressured to be smarter.
+--- 21957829
+>>21953832
+easy, light and fun - older people read more for entertainment

lit/21952236.txt

@@ -69,3 +69,132 @@ but usually thats how it goes anyways. most of these people lead miserable lives
 They don't, they hate him and they hate pessimism.
 --- 21953409
 le bump
+--- 21953882
+>>21952245
+Ligotti doesn't even have a horrific bone structure and he's not balding, he's just fat. He could literally hit the gym and improve his rating by like 3 points.
+--- 21953899
+>>21952640
+Kek, Ligotti lived a successful by all means you fucking retard 
+
+>He was born in upper middle class family in Detroit which served as a perfect muse for a weird fiction author
+>Got a life long literary job in a publishing house.
+>Man is one of these most critically acclaimed living author in fiction.
+>He is one of 3 living american authors who got published by Penguin Classics alongside Pynchon and Delillo. 
+>Collaborated with Current93 and even released an album. 
+>Bram Stoker Award for Lifetime Achievement
+--- 21953904
+>>21953899
+bait: taken
+--- 21953905
+>>21953899
+--- 21953908
+>>21953904
+>I was pretending to be retarded 
+Yawn 
+
+>21953905
+(You)
+--- 21953912
+>>21953908
+cope
+--- 21954007
+>>21952236 (OP)
+Ironic that True Detective tried to refute him and the only thing that made the show interesting were his ideas,
+--- 21954480
+>>21952362
+subjectivity =/= relativity
+--- 21955065
+>>21954007
+true detective was retarded though. only used ligotti quotes because, per the creator's admission, it made cohle a more hard-boiled character than the typical cynic detective. and he only used robert chamber's yellow king because it sounded cooler than "they're satanists"
+--- 21955150
+>>21952236 (OP)
+>>>/pol/
+>>>/his/
+
+faggots, shitting up the board
+--- 21955187
+>>21952616
+No, he was quite handsome and athletic. Probably what made him so narcissistic.
+--- 21955237
+>>21952236 (OP)
+His short stories are good, his "philosophy" not so much
+--- 21955291
+>>21953908
+The only retarded person here is you
+--- 21955343
+>>21952236 (OP)
+About what?
+--- 21955474
+>>21955343
+About his opinions on WW2.
+--- 21955515
+>>21955291
+Because I know Ligotti's biography rather than pulling bullshit out of my ass? Kys nigger
+--- 21955519
+>>21955474
+Brutal blackpill
+
+>Madness, mayhem, erotic vandalism, devastation of innumerable souls - while we scream and perish, History licks a finger and turns the page.
+
+Ligotti
+--- 21955939
+>>21955519
+The first time I read TCATHR I felt it was a tragedy. Now I realise just how goddamn funny it is, I literally howled with laughter!
+--- 21955973
+>>21955939
+Based 
+
+Ligotti has very subtle dark humor
+--- 21956032
+>>21954007
+>>21955065
+There's a section in TCATHR lambasting pessimistic works of fiction for taking the easy way out. True Detective did exactly that.
+--- 21956049
+>>21956032
+True detective was basically saying that pessimism is the result of a broken mind trying to cope with tragedy. Pizza obviously doesnt agree with Ligotti/early season Rust
+--- 21956073
+>>21956049
+>saying that pessimism is the result of a broken mind trying to cope with tragedy
+It can be. I know you likely understand how this doesn't invalidate the pessimistic viewpoint. If anything, look at the phenomena of PTSD. A man can return from witnessing and experiencing hellish scenarios. Upon his return he may have a good job, a family, and live relatively out of danger. The thing is, he never shakes the sense of "truth" in his experiences. He can leave everything behind but the new viewpoint. 
+
+We consider that damage, but it might just be failure of insulating values. 
+
+Ligotti covers this best in "This Degenerate Little Town."
+
+There are those among us
+Who claim to have seen
+This degenerate little town
+Although they may be unaware
+Of its true nature
+There are those who have emerged
+From some painful ordeal of the body
+Or of the mind
+And then begun speaking
+Of how they saw in the distance
+An outline of crooked houses
+Tilting this way and that
+Or walked along some twisted street
+And felt the ground soft with decay
+Beneath their steps
+Or even glimpsed those diseased faces
+Their skin rough and pale as plaster
+Peeking from behind grimy windows
+But those who claim to have seen such things
+Always seem to tell a somewhat different story
+Failing to compose a consistent picture
+Of what they may have seen
+Or imagine they have seen
+And so we stare at them suspiciously
+
+For a moment
+And then start to walk away
+--- 21956111
+>>21956073
+Naturally it depends on whether you think life truly is awful or not. Since both perspectives accuse the other of delusion it's a bit of an impasse
+--- 21956146
+>>21956111
+The best part about TCATHR is how often he promotes this message. 
+He makes David Benatar look about as silly as Tony Robbins.
+--- 21956194
+>>21956146
+It's a very memorable book. The whole tone and atmosphere of it is weirdly comforting to me. I have sympathy for his perspective but I don't quite agree with his conclusion. I think he is right that reality is much worse than most people usually admit to themselves but I dont think this renders it "malignantly useless!" kek. It is still possible to view it in a light of redemption even if sort of tragic

lit/21952429.txt

@@ -73,3 +73,57 @@ I agree with this, pride and arrogance is a great moral sickness.
 Yes, that's when he descended to hell to pay for wasting the gift of life.
 > Nietzsche is the most aesthetic person to ever live.
 I get it, aesthetic here means "underage hedonists look up to him because they have no values of their own." For everyone else, this is aesthetically repulsive though.
+--- 21953797
+>>21953690
+Because it's being played on synth...
+--- 21953803
+>>21952429 (OP)
+He looks like a nerd who isn't comfortable in the costume he's wearing. But that's probably because he was a masturbator. Everything else you said is true.
+--- 21953818
+>>21953679
+Wagner understood Nietzsche perfectly, yet Nietzsche didn't understand Wagner.
+--- 21954123
+>>21953818
+Wagner had no arguments against N besides calling him a masturbation addict (not true, by the way).
+--- 21954145
+>>21953803
+>He looks like a nerd who isn't comfortable in the costume he's wearing. But that's probably because he was a masturbator.
+Explain
+--- 21954172
+>>21954123
+There were no "arguments", the Case of Wagner was published well after his death. Wagner was merely concerned about the well being of a friend, and made a suggestion
+--- 21954323
+>>21952508
+Very funny
+--- 21954608
+>>21952429 (OP)
+>he ate fruit for all of us
+HAHAHAHAHA
+--- 21954622
+>>21952429 (OP)
+>For starters, take a look at pic related. His mustache is fucking glorious. His posture is fantastic. His demeanor is one of the most noble you will ever see. He looks like the ruler of the world in this picture, and I would gladly lend my life to fighting for whatever cause he stood for.
+The problem is he has chud physiognomy, visible in this very picture.
+--- 21954936
+>>21952429 (OP)
+Incredibly based
+--- 21955012
+>>21953679
+The Wagners just sound like assholes here.
+--- 21955147
+>>21953704
+>He is a slave to his principles
+--- 21955170
+>>21952429 (OP)
+>>>/pol/
+>>>/his/
+
+faggots, shitting up the board
+--- 21956600
+>>21955012
+That's only after Nietzsche viciously insulted them, and everything they believed in, in his published works. Nietzsche made himself Wagner's enemy, not the other way around.
+--- 21956721
+>>21952447
+Looks like an old MySpace profile photo
+--- 21957083
+>>21956600
+Maybe they shouldn't have been antisemitic christcucks?

lit/21952474.txt

@@ -446,3 +446,112 @@ What resistance would you prescribe, then?
 >>21953290
 >BBC
 Normal people don't talk in your fetish terms, you disgusting freak.
+--- 21953891
+>>21953561
+>Where in UK brother?
+South Yorkshire m8
+--- 21953907
+>>21953561
+>I'm in Nottinghamshire.
+>>21953891
+>South Yorkshire m8
+We're not too far actually kek
+--- 21954104
+>>21952474 (OP)
+She and Serrano were gateway drugs to Guenon and Evola for me.
+Devi writes elegantly. With regard to doctrine, she keeps it simple, with a nice synthesis of Nietzsche and Hindu doctrines. She claims to be a "Hindu", but doesn't over commit to it like some crazed ISKCON convert.
+Serrano waxes poetically, but is too kooky. His "metaphysics" are no metaphysics at all, but myth making. He's all over the place with everything from Theosophy, Jung, Nietzsche, Devi's Hitler worship, Gnosticism, Catharism, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Buddhist and Hindu Tantras to UFOs...
+Evola's style is more abstruse, but more comprehensive. He was more of an authentic scholar of comparative religion and was even known in some academic circles at some point before he was totally unpersonned (Eliade quoted him on occasion and the Buddhist Pali society lauded his book Doctrine of Awakening when it came out). He doesn't dabble much into fantasy or cult of personality like Serrano. More importantly he didn't shy away from politics and contemporary issues, from the Olympics to Jazz to philosophers like Sartre and Heidegger.
+Guenon doesn't fancy himself a stylist, but an expounder of doctrines (a doctor, in the church sense). He doesn't do politics much; his books criticizing modernity are like applications of his doctrines to the time domain and don't stand out from his general ouvre. His doctrines are far more universal and can provide a metaphysical foundation for the other three where they seem to lack it.
+--- 21954245
+>be savitri devi
+>visit india
+>see half naked malnourished brownoids shitting in the streets and bathing in poop rivers
+>hmm yes these surely are the master race, after all they don’t eat cows
+
+Ah yes
+--- 21954250
+>>21952991
+>white
+>fit
+>smart
+>fight for the winning team
+Why haven’t you taken the glowiepill, anon?
+--- 21954412
+>>21953276
+>I watched a video about Russian female neonazis secretly taking BBC in porn
+source. now.
+--- 21954475
+>>21952597
+> Her marriage was one of convenience, her having an Indian husband enabled her to escape arrest in Europe
+I’m so tired of this cope by people who have clearly never read her. She was a fuckin Hindu beyond fascinated with Hinduism and clearly states on a message to the Hindus that the creation of highest beauty in the world was an Indian of Brahman caste ffs
+--- 21954497
+>>21953242
+> Why are so many Homosexuals attracted to Fascism/National socialism
+It’s a cult of virility, manliness, the Superman. All the manly virtues, physical and moral and thus casts aside women. Homosexuals naturally thrive from such environments. 
+If you want to go down a rabbit hole read the pink swastika. There are some fallacies there yet compensates with several red pills
+--- 21954499
+>>21952565
+kind of same, but same econ policies
+--- 21954505
+>>21952976
+hmmm....
+--- 21954528
+>>21952474 (OP)
+No Nazi is a "true genius". Their entire ideology stood for stamping out any kind of freedom of thought. If your thoughts steered slightly away from Nazi rehetoric, you'd be liable to be thrown in a concentration camp and be raped to death by some crazed member of the SS. 
+in4
+>bait
+in4 
+>jew
+Believe it or not, you can still hate jews without being a brainlet National Socialist.
+--- 21954539
+>>21953242
+Because fags are naturally attracted to the idea of brainwashing children and the mentally weak with extremist ideology and that's exactly what National Socialism aimed to do.
+--- 21954595
+>>21952515
+lol you are a jew. into the trash
+--- 21955341
+>>21954475
+>She was a fuckin Hindu beyond fascinated with Hinduism
+And?
+--- 21955422
+>>21954528
+>>21954539
+>we should promote children's welfare and education and make our kids strong and healthy 
+>no, we should feed them medications and hormones, raise them all in single parent households and have deranged education majors teach them evil curriculum :) 
+>hmmmm... no... to the camps with you 
+>waaaaaa you can't be smart if you don't accept our ideas tooooo :*(
+--- 21955444
+>>21954528
+I'm curious, what do you hate about Jews?
+--- 21955510
+>>21955422
+Kek
+--- 21955869
+>>21954475
+>I’m so tired of this cope by people who have clearly never read her
+She admitted it herself in her taped interviews you absolute mong. None of this contradicts my point.
+--- 21955881
+Indians with R1a1 paternal haplogroup are whiter, in spirit, than Europeans who do not have R1a or R1b. Whiteness is determined via patriline.
+--- 21956354
+>>21955881
+Brown hands typed this post.
+--- 21956585
+>>21955869
+She lusted for Indians and goes into detail about it in 1939 book a message to the Hindus. So, before her so called convenience marriage, which in turn was 5 years before the end of the war (defeating the argument of marrying for the sake of escaping Europe). Yet, mouth breathing incel nazi larpers can’t accept muh hitlers prophet was giving her coochie to a poo and come up with the dumbest excuses
+--- 21956692
+>>21954412
+It was on motherless
+--- 21956723
+>>21956585
+Human behaviour no matter how prosaic or pretend, spiritual or compassionate is reducible to animality. Women are mechanistic automatons and are incapable of transcending the emotional, physical and mental entrapment of human life. Reject nature, fight against nature, nature is a false idol, man and woman are not two halves of some greater mystical whole, reject human automatism, overcome biological impulses, win against the organism. No nature lover like devi, or pantheistic poo has the manhood for this task. They are too busy deifying natural monstrosities, anthropomorphizing nature and making false idols out of it.
+--- 21956828
+>>21952488
+>It will change your view of the world
+how
+--- 21957234
+>>21956723
+You have no idea how cringy and gay and even maudlin this kind of rhetoric has gotten over the past 5 years. devi had more spirit and a greater understanding of nature (letting beings be, instead of imposing your will on anything and everything because you're a black hole wearing the skin of a human being) in her skin tags than you do in your entire bloodline
+--- 21957271
+>>21955881
+>Whiter than you Hans

lit/21952528.txt

@@ -58,3 +58,35 @@ I think the Kid carried the Bible that he couldn't even read believing that it w
 >>21952528 (OP)
 >Never explicitly stated
 Idk the part where he's naked in a room with a naked child seemed pretty explicit to me
+--- 21953828
+>>21953148
+post physique
+--- 21954075
+>>21952528 (OP)
+>Molest
+more like rape and murder
+--- 21954125
+>>21952528 (OP)
+Reading it as a cowboy themed greek myth really reveals that the judge is just an interloping olympian toying with humans for sport
+--- 21954213
+>>21954125
+the judge is just a fat bald pedo who routinely gets lucky, he's as human as the rest of them
+--- 21954372
+>>21954213
+some men have all the luck
+--- 21955338
+>>21952528 (OP)
+Did the Judge kill the man?
+--- 21955849
+Objectively the judge is not more evil than any other character in the book. What differentiates him is that he is much smarter and more educated than the rest of the gang and while the others are more or less just products of their enviroment the judge is much more aware of his evil deeds and seems to actively seek them out.
+--- 21955924
+the judge is just a guide to give the men who live by the sword a fitting end. the kid locks his destiny when he kills that Mexican barman but then for the rest of the story acts passive about violence which pisses the Judge off due the kid seemingly being an anti-thesis to his belief. the Judge is neither good or evil, he's a just a physical manifestation of an idea.
+--- 21955960
+i just want to go on a murderous rampage across the world and have my way with the lovely darkeyed latinx girls is that so much to ask
+--- 21956040
+>>21952528 (OP)
+Hijacking this specific BM thread to talk about The Passenger/Stella Maris instead.
+>the Kid and his troupe were a product of Alice's subconscious, meant to keep her distracted from thinking about whatever it was she saw in that nightmare
+>she an heroes soon after the Kid disappears
+>he also appears to Bobby when he's at his lowest, persumably to keep him from killing himself as well
+Rate my theory

lit/21952625.txt

@@ -7,3 +7,47 @@ Frame him for what?
 --- 21953511
 >>21953132
 for killing what's her face
+--- 21955070
+>>21952625 (OP)
+bumpp
+--- 21955259
+>>21953511
+Wasn't he too busy having a breakdown? It's been a while since I read the book, but I do remember it being depressing as hell.
+--- 21955267
+>>21952625 (OP)
+Because he’s a good person at heart :)
+--- 21955274
+>>21952625 (OP)
+it wasn’t the prince who killed Nastasia. Did you mean why didn’t Muishkin frame Rogojin? If yes then I think the prince went mad when he noticed that she was dead, he just froze basically and couldn’t leave the room, dude was kinda insane beforehand
+--- 21955288
+>>21955259
+I thought for 90% of the book that it was going to be the /one/ dostoevsky book with a happy ending. I would have been genuinely surprised by the ending, except I was reading it with my mom and she finished it a day or two before me and made a comment about how depressing the end was. I was like wtf mom, fucking spoilers?
+>>21955274
+"frame" means to make it look like someone committed a crime that they didn't actually commit. Rogozhin actually committed the crime, so Myshkin couldn't have framed him. OP is asking why Rogozhin (the murderer) didn't make it look like Myshkin (the not-murderer) killed her.
+--- 21955298
+>>21952625 (OP)
+What an idiot!
+--- 21955335
+>>21955288
+What really got me was Nastasya's reaction to her wedding approaching and how it was described. iirc she was puking from the stress-induced guilt at the prospect of marrying a good man like the prince and couldn't accept herself as worthy of him, how convinced she was that she deserved to be damned and that's eventually what happened.
+--- 21955375
+>>21955288
+ohh I see, not a native speaker my bad. That’s a good question tho. I guess Rogojin didn’t have anything else to live for so it didn’t matter to him what happened after Nastasia dies
+--- 21955405
+>>21955335
+ok so rp me here. was Nastasya slutting around? or was she just a tease? the answer determines whether I'm sad that she and Myshkin didn't get together
+--- 21955411
+>>21955288
+>wtf mom, fucking spoilers? 
+Cute story ^.^
+--- 21955425
+>>21955405
+I don't remember details about her sleeping with men other than you know when, but iirc the prince found her dead in a bed, so maybe it was implied she got killed during the act or Rogozhin just arranged the scene, I can't remember.
+--- 21956290
+>>21955425
+>other than you know when
+it's been a long time since I read it so I actually don't know which part you're talking about
+>maybe it was implied
+yeh that's where my confusion comes in. There were lots of places where I felt it was implied, but I'm not sure whether we're supposed to assume she actually was the town bicycle or whether she just makes some questionable choices
+--- 21957235
+The epilogue made me so depressed, hearing that when Myshkin's influence left everyone quickly went back to their old ways. If Myshkin is supposed to be a Christ level of good character, Dostoevksy seems to be implying the same about the world once Christ left it

lit/21952685.txt

@@ -34,3 +34,41 @@ meant for >>21952759
 Seeing what has been praised by the New York Times--and the general literary elite--in the last twenty years, makes nearly all of their criticisms for the last sixty, highly suspect.
 --- 21953489
 I don’t read critics, I read scholars on specific books and authors. There’s literally no reason for literary critics, especially with book previews and libraries existing
+--- 21954046
+>>21952685 (OP)
+I'm on my way to finish part one of this book. And honestly, it's not good, it's Murakami-tier writing. Banal prose, riddled with literary reference, navel-gazing and conclusion on historical events. It's the ramble of a "pute de paroisse", that is what I like to call this pédé crypto-catholique. An oeuvre without subtlety, horrendous.
+--- 21954054
+>>21953489
+Where do you find commentary from scholars
+--- 21954181
+>>21954046
+Not exactly high art, I admit. Houellebecq is a degenerate coomer but at least he realises that boomers and their "end of history" were a big mistake. He rightly identifies the only way out for western hellhole countries (by retvrning to tradition). Whether this is Islam or Catholicism I dont think he gives a shit desu. He is a crypto-catholic redoing Huysmans for the modern reader. This is why Catholics tend to like him (me included) despite his moral shortcomings. Best thing is to just go back and read Huysmans if you want the top-tier prose with a similar message.
+--- 21954297
+>>21954181
+You’re fucking stupid. Your brain is fucking dissolved in a liquid lake of internet
+--- 21954324
+>>21954181
+>the only way out for western hellhole
+I don't think returning to Abrahamic corpse and prophet worshipping is a way forward but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
+--- 21954362
+>>21954297
+He pretty succinctly summarized some major aspects of his writings. What's your problem?
+--- 21955383
+>>21954297
+Really bizarre and aggressive reply to a fairly neutral assessment.
+--- 21955463
+>>21954297
+>liquid lake
+That's a pleonasm
+--- 21956574
+>>21952685 (OP)
+It's pretty damn good. Highly relevant today especially when you see everyone talking about Redpills, blackpills, Andrew Tate etc. It's just a brutal book. I read 10 pages at a time and I'd feel fucked up for the rest of the day.
+--- 21956586
+>>21952685 (OP)
+I don’t think that’s a negative review though
+--- 21957407
+>>21952961
+>“Antkind” is an exceptionally strange book. It is also an exceptionally good one, and though one is tempted to reach for the roster of comparably gnostic novels by contemporary (-ish) writers — not just Wallace, but Pynchon, obviously; John Barth; Joshua Cohen, perhaps — such comparisons inevitably collapse.
+--- 21957858
+>>21952863
+Have you read The possibility of an island? I think that was no less a masterpiece

lit/21952758.txt

@@ -67,3 +67,58 @@ His inner diary :)
 --- 21953773
 >>21952758 (OP)
 that third guy could fall down hard
+--- 21953785
+>>21952873
+I don’t get the second panel. How does it relate to the rest?
+--- 21953843
+>>21952758 (OP)
+Novalis
+--- 21954780
+>>21953785
+It's page 4
+--- 21954798
+>>21952758 (OP)
+the Turner Diaries
+--- 21954822
+>>21953773
+He could if he were a stubborn fool
+--- 21955635
+>>21952758 (OP)
+The real question is: "how do I become guy 4?"
+--- 21955677
+>>21952807
+QRD? Is it based and red-pilled?
+--- 21955756
+>>21955635
+Bzzzzz. 
+Finish that Catholic spook up with the Stirner “pill” >>21954822
+--- 21955781
+>>21952761
+The real end game
+--- 21955789
+>>21952761
+>>21955781
+>The real end game
+--- 21955790
+>>21953627
+If you're not a Christian you're wrong and no cope will EVER change that
+--- 21956536
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM [Embed]
+--- 21957008
+>>21955677
+It's cringe and blue-pilled.
+--- 21957171
+>>21952758 (OP)
+Three greats of antiquity (Iliad, Odyssey, Aeneid) into Dante’s comedy, and then a dip back into classical antiquity to read Statius’ Thebaid and see what that nigga’s all about. At this point your own curiosity will lead you.
+--- 21957204
+>>21952758 (OP)
+the third guy is an illusion. you want to be happy? go outside and make things happen, work and apply your lessons. read another 100 books if you want to be miserable.
+
+>For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
+--- 21957688
+>>21957204
+>le touch grass magical solution
+Do you never get tired of this cringe
+--- 21957691
+>>21952761
+That's what the first one read

lit/21952813.txt

@@ -26,3 +26,115 @@ It's purely an exercise in virtue; enjoyment is not the object.
 --- 21953341
 >>21952813 (OP)
 Tranny stuff aside, people who hate children (beyond occasional annoyance) and are vocal about it are usually degenerate
+--- 21953807
+>>21952813 (OP)
+>i throw the quesadilla at the wall
+>quesadilla at the wall
+>quesadilla at the wall
+>quesadilla at the wall
+>quesadilla at the
+>PHSPHSPH
+>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL
+--- 21953858
+>>21952813 (OP)
+>I wore a silk dress for the cashiers
+What is apostrophe?
+--- 21953862
+>>21952813 (OP)
+This is low-hanging fruit as far as contemporary free verse goes. It's a thoroughly mediocre piece.
+--- 21953963
+>>21952813 (OP)
+>How do I learn to enjoy free poetry?
+Stop reading bad free poetry and start reading good free poetry.
+--- 21953968
+>>21953858
+Hahaha. You will NEVER use apostrophes correctly, Manuel.
+--- 21953978
+>>21952813 (OP)
+>I throw the quesadilla at the wall
+I have to say, I enjoyed this poem.
+--- 21954003
+>>21952813 (OP)
+>my face is the sort of glowy you see in felons
+what does this even mean?
+--- 21954040
+>>21952813 (OP)
+>completely changing the subject to “you and me and love” in the last two lines
+Can we make it a rule that you’re allowed to do this in, like, one or two poems in your life, so you’d better make it count?
+--- 21954049
+>>21952813 (OP)
+He should have made use of the double meaning of Clock imo
+--- 21955513
+rate my free verse poem
+--- 21955529
+>>21955513
+Concept is fine, need to strip out the clichés and redundancies
+--- 21955531
+>>21954003
+Its troon derangement, why did you expect it to mean anything?
+--- 21955546
+>>21955513
+The ending is funny, and the joke would be enhanced by hiding the foul language until the very end. That said, subverting the nature of poetry, which is the arrangement of language and enhancement thereof, to make a joke doesn't make your poetry itself better.
+--- 21955920
+>>21953807
+kek
+--- 21956037
+>>21952813 (OP)
+Idk that’s kind of not bad tho. Do you just want people to write in classical idioms and restricted form forever? Those things are in the last for you to enjoy. I think you’re just a reactionary with no insight of your own to add - tired.
+--- 21956052
+>>21954003
+Im pretty sure it’s a specific reference to Jeremy Meeks. I think it’s a pretty good reference considering the rest of the poem and the way retards here talked about him when he was current.
+--- 21956057
+>>21956052
+Why would it be a reference to Meeks specifically rather than just glorifying criminals?
+--- 21956067
+>https://www.reddit.com/r/Poetry/comments/12gcawl/poem_a_child_clocks_me_at_the_bodega_by_jackie/
+whenever you feel this board is shit just remember it could be much worse
+--- 21956075
+>>21956057
+At the risk of over explaining, that Meeks guy was a sensation when his mugshot came out, people were calling him the most handsome man alive and such. It was picked up quite a bit here - especially /r9k/ - where it was used as the ultimate vindication of ye olde “girls only like bad boys” whine.
+The voice in the poem is a troon but they’re obviously still hung up on a female love interest. They’re struggling with the whole “look like a masculine superhero” vs “be the pretty little anime girl thing,” but ultimately that shit is all in their head and they just present to the outside world as a freak.
+Tl;dr: author gave a pretty good distillation of 4chan culture of a certain year spoken through an individual’s voice. It’s not Statius but it’s pretty good for something published for free.
+--- 21956101
+>>21956075
+I fail to see how this poem is at all related to 4chan culture as opposed to Twitter or tumblr or whatever. Calling criminals hot is hardly a 4chan thing, the person in this poem is not complaining that girls like bad boys, they are just saying criminals are attractive 
+>female love interest
+How do you know it's female?
+--- 21956114
+The child
+He clocked this guy
+Yes
+YES
+The troon has left
+--- 21956148
+>>21956101
+Let’s just call it general net culture then, the lines are fairly blurred either way.
+The “first of all, you’re a bitch” seems addressed at the ex-lover. By convention I assume it’s a women, and also by general cultural knowledge that autogynephiles usually have some kind of fucked up pseudo-Laura in their lives.
+I think the fact we’ve been able to pick it apart to this degree is something of a vindication for the poet.
+--- 21956151
+>>21952884
+I love John Donne, and I find this poem hilarious. Donne probably would've thought so too.
+--- 21956155
+>>21956148
+Oh I thought they were calling the child a bitch lol. The poem is certainly engaging but it's hard to tell how much of the humor is intentional
+--- 21956167
+>>21956155
+I read it like that at first but it seemed janky, and then reaching ending line I realized it is likely the same addressee. Experience being framed on both sides by reference to her speaks of the obsession.
+I think if you don’t see humor in it you can’t seperate poetic voice from the poet in question. I personally don’t think this is just some naive first-person bitch fest.
+--- 21956208
+>>21952884
+Ah yes, James Hetfield is my favorite poet as well.
+--- 21956564
+>>21956067
+>Sums up the difficulties of being a trans woman perfectly
+AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
+--- 21957165
+>>21952813 (OP)
+I recommend Robinson Jeffers.
+--- 21957174
+>>21952813 (OP)
+Isn't this just prose randomly cut up?
+How do i into poetry, let alone modern?
+--- 21957178
+>>21952813 (OP)
+Better than anything Rupi Kaur has written that's for sure.

lit/21952896.txt

@@ -3,3 +3,49 @@
 post'em. be it illustrations or photographs.
 
 doesn't even need to be seductive, anything that catches the eye and compels readers to want to read it.
+--- 21954149
+>>21952896 (OP)
+Croatian edition of Crash.
+--- 21954987
+>>21952896 (OP)
+heinlein is simultaneously a far right militarist libertarian homophobe and an icon and pioneer to the LGBT community. he's the most american american to ever live, concentrating in his person opposing aspects of the culture.
+--- 21956121
+>>21954987
+Wait whut?
+--- 21956185
+>>21956121
+https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/10/about-that-threesome-with-l-ron-hubbard-and-the-heinleins/
+
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Fear_No_Evil
+
+I will fear no evil is basically Heinlein's AGP tranny fantasy the man never met a fetish he didnt like. maybe one could explain american culture as the result of these really perverted science fiction writers with spook connections remaking the human form in their own image.
+--- 21956213
+>>21956185
+They should adapt this film into a movie
+--- 21956265
+>>21956213
+I meant book into a movie
+--- 21956568
+>>21956213
+Will never happen in the current woke Hollywood
+--- 21956626
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM [Embed]
+--- 21956811
+>>21952896 (OP)
+Let's get some Wordsworth Classics in here.
+--- 21956820
+>>21954149
+Look how bad this one is. Why do American publishers have such shit taste.
+--- 21957630
+German version
+--- 21957694
+>>21957630
+>bush
+based
+--- 21957726
+>>21952896 (OP)
+Today I bought a couple of books, these are the best covers among them.
+--- 21957778
+>>21957726
+Not bad matey

lit/21952985.txt

@@ -191,3 +191,455 @@ I gotta get a copy of Chicken World!
 --- 21953777
 >>21953744
 the bible is a disappointment
+--- 21953894
+/lit/ was only good when it had Nick Land/accelerationism discussions or Jünger-fren was still posting.
+
+bring those two things back and this place will be worth something again.
+--- 21954228
+>>21952985 (OP)
+No, sorry, no more discussion of cool and interesting books to read. It is now mandated that 90% of threads must consist entirely of pseud dickwaving and RETVRN faggotry for people with poor father figures
+--- 21954234
+>>21953375
+>just realized these are real threads
+Jesus man.
+--- 21954242
+nope. /lit/ became terminal after the invasion of reddit refugees and /pol/ in 2015. They viewed /lit/ as some kind of intellectual epicentre of 4chan (lmao) so felt obligated to brigade and "conquer" it. they scurred away the anons who actually read literature. They're not coming back. The mod is a colossal faggot for letting this happen and was probably paid.
+--- 21954244
+>>21953476
+>Most of all internet traffic is bots… strange, where are they?
+They'll be here to kill the rest of the internet shortly. You can hardly tell the difference between a chatbot versus the average 4chan shitposter nowadays anyway
+--- 21954248
+>>21952985 (OP)
+No. Enjoy your endless threads about Evola, Spengler, e-celebs and insecure high schoolers.
+--- 21954253
+>>21953410
+>>21953421
+I'll try to start a bookclub on here this May when I got out of uni for the Summer. I'd be fine reading any of those.
+--- 21954259
+>>21953030
+>can't roll back time, man.
+Natalie Portman, naked and petrified, covered in hot grits, you insensitive clod.
+--- 21954605
+>>21954253
+please do
+--- 21954613
+>>21954253
+it's don quixote for me, if you're gonna really start, start with that
+--- 21954838
+>>21953721
+kill yourself you fucking shill
+--- 21954870
+>>21953069
+Flag and ignore all the shitposters.
+Ah, but the shitpost respondents outnumber the serious posters.
+Could apply for the janitorial position.
+Ah, but the moderators hamstring them greatly 
+
+No, it was death by a thousand paper cuts started many years ago. Anonymous image boards are not conducive to quality information and serious community. Just trolling, with a few hints of truth in the free speech.
+But even this free speech aspect is going to be compromised or used
+--- 21954872
+>>21953083
+Jannies abandoned this hellhole years ago, m8. Retarded /pol/ and /his/ threads are the new norm.
+--- 21954966
+>>21954613
+Got it, I'll start it around the 20th
+--- 21955018
+>>21952994
+>Plotinus
+damn I missed it. I just bought the enneads a few weeks ago. haven't started on them yet but I want to
+--- 21955029
+>>21953134
+Because I am posting right now that niggers fucking suck, and that jews have destroyed our world, some faggot jannie will give me a ban. Fuck all trannies. Fuck all niggers. Fuck all jews. Fuck the jannies. they do it for free. 
+
+Also, jannies, can I get a few more threads about ballpoint pens and book covers. Can you maybe NOT delete the other fifteen threads about Blood Meridian. lol, fucking idiots.
+--- 21955034
+>>21955029
+You need original insults to get banned.
+--- 21955036
+>>21953721
+I have talked about my books here a bit. 
+Just published my third book last night. Pretty happy about it.
+--- 21955039
+>>21955034
+No, I don't. I have been banned for saying kike like one time. So no, anon, I don't need to be original. This is /lit/. Original is not allowed. Now get back to the 17th Cormac thread.
+--- 21955163
+>>21955029
+uber-based
+--- 21955184
+>>21953421
+I just picked up a copy of The Magic Mountain and was thinking about starting a book club for it. If anyone beats me to it I’ll do my best to participate.
+--- 21955190
+>>21953017
+It's sad... the internet culture that made 4chan what it was is long dead. Small forums, 1337 speak, flash games, lightweight websites as the norm, memes with impact font, emoticons (not emoji), old YouTube, personal websites, instant messengers, IRC, and some effort on the part of the user to access the internet itself are all gone. These are just a handful of the things that existed side-by-side with 4chan, and they influenced and shaped each other.
+
+Now the fact of the matter is that the internet outside of 4chan is centralized, uniform, sterile, corporate, bloated, and, most importantly, over-moderated if not outright censored, as well as being flooded with individuals who only go there not to participate in the culture of website or forum, but just to spew the thoughts in their mind into a "status" or "tweet." Through sheer numbers, they have made that the culture of every website which is built around user-participation, and we should be glad that this website has been (mostly) spared that fate.
+
+There is also little need for more than a small selection of websites for the modern internet user. Videos, instant messaging, forums, and more have all been rolled into single websites, which has made smaller websites or software specializing in those things unappealing to anyone other than a minority of people who used visit those websites, or utilize such software.
+
+What's more is that major media websites like YouTube are no longer about channel customization, small channels, and individuals. Now they are about large corporate channels, or celebrity "creators" who are grown men yelling and doing exaggerated body motions and facial expressions for 60 second videos to entertain children and manchildren for the purpose of collecting ad revenue. This same corporate philosophy is also reflected in Twitter, Facebook, and others.
+
+It seems to be that there is no going back. 4chan is like the beautiful ruins of antiquity, and modern websites the glass and concrete boxes of modern construction. The internet as a whole, especially in the 1990s and 2000s, was like brilliant flash that burned brightly for a instant. The internet as it is now is just the glowing ember leftover, slowly growing duller, and colder.
+--- 21955195
+>>21954966
+this anon is also creating a book club with don quixote, you can create one with magic mountain
+>>21955184
+I'll participate
+--- 21955212
+>>21955190
+this hits like a train, you should write a book anon or atleast short stories with these themes
+--- 21955394
+>>21955212
+Thank you for your kind words anon. Glad it resonates with you. I'm extremely fond of that era of computing and internet culture, so it's very enjoyable for me to write about it.
+--- 21955532
+>>21952985 (OP) yes, bring back Nick Land threads
+--- 21955592
+>>21955190
+I wanna hear more on your thoughts about this. Do you think there is a solution or examples outside of 4chan of old internet antiquity. I always associate Minecraft with the rise and fall of the internet, it came really around the last hurrah, and the nostalgia and aesthetic of it + the change as Microsoft slowly eradicated it really seems to be a nice test case / isolated example of the rise and fall. Early Minecraft vs what it is now is like night and day, and all stages of it really correlate to the state of the internet. Not /lit/ related but I am curious if anyone else has examples like that or just more thoughts on the whale fall of the internet.
+--- 21955641
+>>21955592
+Just look at this board, if you're a writer, anonymous people here just attack you and talk shit. There are no organic communities and the crab-in-bucket mentality rules all.
+
+When you're not anonymous, you just get banned, and when you're on an anonymous forum, the loser crabs just attack anyone who stands out from the crowd.
+--- 21955827
+>>21955641
+You just suck at writing, Jason. This board has tried to push you into improving for years now but we've figured out that you're just too retarded. If you want a hugbox, go back to Reddi--oh wait hahahahah
+--- 21955895
+>>21955190
+Https makes an independent internet impossible
+--- 21956062
+>>21955827
+The Shitkickers is a 5-star book:
+https://a.co/d/bfDaICM
+
+City of Singles, which I didn't even edit, would have a higher rating if I didn't have so many troll 1-star reviews.
+
+The 2nd edition of City of Singles is just about done, and it is so, so, so much better. I think it also completely vindicates me as being right, again, in my predictions, as in 2023 the dating market by all accounts is completely fucked. 
+
+https://medium.com/hello-love/study-predicts-45-of-women-will-be-single-by-2030-1fbc99bad6a8
+
+The birth rates in places like B.C. are an abysmal 1.17
+
+https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E210US91166G0&p=bc+birth+rate
+>South Korea is less than 1.0
+
+Where's your books, faggot? Oh wait, you're a nothing and a nobody.
+--- 21956113
+>>21956062
+post full pdf or epub of shitkickers and i'll read it with an open mind
+--- 21956200
+>>21956113
+ePub:
+https://afterworkfreeporn.com/The-Shitkickers-Amazon-Version-Ready.epub
+
+PDF:
+https://afterworkfreeporn.com/FINISHED-AMAZON-VERSION.pdf
+
+Enjoy! There are several /lit/ easter eggs in the book, the easiest one to spot is probably the Gardner COTC reference.
+--- 21956214
+>>21956200
+>After work free porn
+Oh c'mon I don't want viruses.
+--- 21956270
+>>21956214
+I don't have viruses or any BS on my site.
+>an honest smut dealer
+I just posted a mirror on my paranormal test site:
+>epub
+https://ghostfriendly.com/The-Shitkickers-Amazon-Version-Ready.epub
+>pdf
+https://ghostfriendly.com/FINISHED-AMAZON-VERSION.pdf
+
+Wordpress on my personal site, jason-bryan.com, won't allow PDF or epub uploads and the FTP is somehow fucking fucked so I can't link it from my personal site, but I can use FTP for my domains hosted on the same account. I'll have to ask my host why, kind of annoying.
+--- 21956285
+>>21953240
+Unreal Press’s doxxing campaign is ruining this board.
+--- 21956292
+>>21956285
+I've been doxxed so many times and absolutely nothing has happened as a result of it.
+--- 21956571
+>>21955592
+(1/2)
+Minecraft is a good example, from the little I've played in the past 5 years or so.
+
+>Do you think there is a solution or examples outside of 4chan of old internet antiquity.
+
+I don't know that there's a solution. I think it is the nature of the means of access to the internet which had, and continues to have, a tremendous impact on the culture of the internet. When effort was required to connect, it almost necessarily meant that the people who where there wanted to be there, and thought that it was novel thing. They often assimilated to the culture of whatever forums they where a member of. But now that it's easy to connect, anyone with two hands can do so, and clearly, this influx of newcomers did not assimilate to the old internet culture, and I do suspect corporations may have played some role in that. I don't think you can as easily narrow down the motivations for people using the internet in the modern day, but I suspect there are a few common ones. 
+
+The first, especially for those now older than 18ish, is that you are expected to use the internet. For example, many workplaces, even small business, use the web-based services to do payroll, and manage the scheduling of employees, and in turn, the employee needs to use those same web pages and services to see his payroll and get his schedule. I am speaking from experience here. And of course, for anyone in college, almost all the assignments, rubrics, and supplemental course material is hosted on web pages, and sometimes exclusively so (e.g. video). I even remember the early days of this sort of thing in highschool.
+
+The second reason, especially for those who are the youngest among Gen Z, is that they grow up with it. I have a job where I work with the public, and I can't tell you how many children I have seen given a phone and a tablet, with mindless, endless "content" with no real substance whatsoever. They become phone drones. Many children these days are raised with the internet from day zero. Action figures, plastic soldiers, blocks, and the like have taken a backseat to endless children's videos. In contrast, growing up, I needed permission and often supervision to use the internet. 
+
+The third reason, which is probably universal, is that it is extremely convenient to use it. Any phone or tablet made in the past 15 or more years can connect to the internet in some capacity. Now combine this with the fact that everyone has an opinion about everything (which is not wrong in itself, it's human nautre), and mega corporations advertising services to broadcast that opinion with no barrier whatsoever. The result is the cesspools of modern social media. Now many thousands of smaller websites integrate those social media websites and services in them, and the corporate tone is driven from the top down. The most common example I can think of are websites which encourage you to "Log in With Facebook/Twitter/Linkd In!"
+--- 21956583
+>>21954248
+Still better than gay pedo books.
+--- 21956644
+>>21956571
+(2/2) 
+As for examples of old internet, there are only a few examples I can think of off the top of my head, so I'll just link a search engine instead. 
+
+http://wiby.me/
+
+This is a search engine that only indexes pages according to the philosophy of the old internet. That is to say, the pages here usually very lightweight in nature, do not contain excessive amounts of advertising, are not bloated with unnecessary Java Script or CSS, and are (often) hosted by individuals instead of corporations. It is not as if the old ways are completely dead. What makes this search engine special is that it only indexes pages submitted by it's users, and which conform to it's requirements:
+http://wiby.me/submit/
+Admittedly, it's kind of a novelty, but it's a nice way to find oldschool-style websites.
+
+Anyone who likes the old internet and longs for it's return should host a personal website, either on a computer at home or from someone else's server. Whether it's a blog, a small file hosting site, a tutorial site, or something else. The basics of HTML are not difficult to learn and you can be motivated by the fact that the old internet was made great by individuals, not corporations (they only provided the infrastructure). And of course submitting it wiby is probably a good idea.
+
+Finally, I know people make fun of this person on /g/, but his video about the basics of HTML is actually pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJadKSKA7Mg [Embed]
+--- 21956656
+>>21956644
+One thing I forgot to mention about small websites: consider hosting a 4chan-style website. There are FOSS ways of doing so the barrier to entry is not massive (although, I admit I do very little web stuff in my programming). Even if you don't host it for more than a couple years I think it's worth it. Small chans come and go, and I always think they're just neat.
+--- 21956659
+>>21956583
+Are these "gay pedo books" in the room with us right now?
+--- 21956718
+>>21953134
+I know this is bait but these kind of people are literally the ones ruining every single board, not just /lit/. /v/ and /tv/ are basically no different than /b/ these days with all the tranny and nigger spam.
+--- 21956733
+>>21954613
+>>21954966
+The 20th for Quixote it is then. But I really wish it were sooner since I am 150 pages in rn.
+--- 21956747
+>>21956718
+I visited /b/ recently and it is a complete shitshow compared to pre-2016
+--- 21956754
+>>21956583
+>>>/pol/
+>>>/his/
+
+faggots, shitting up the board
+--- 21956770
+>>21956733
+just wait a bit, reminisce on the 150 pages until then.
+--- 21956780
+>>21956747
+it's absolutely chaotic on /b/
+--- 21956800
+/tv/ discussing their favorite movie:
+>the furnishings of the character's home really illustrate the internal conflict between his loyalty to his family and his own ideas of justice and honor. It ties into the jarring transition in framing between the interior and exterior shots, itself a commentary on the erratic manipulation of tension in the film's soundtrack, on par with the longshot revolution in cinematography of the mid-2000s. That's what really establishes this film as the pinnacle of the director's ongoing thematic exploration of man's eternal struggle to separate himself from nature.
+
+/lit/ discussing their favorite book:
+>uh... can you say based?
+--- 21956814
+>>21956800
+it's because /pol/ and /his/ fags are trying to one up each other
+--- 21956838
+>>21956800
+You're really relying on your audience here knowing nothing about /tv/ lmao
+--- 21956974
+We desperately need a Religion and Philosophy board for all the pseuds and proselytizers.
+--- 21956998
+>stay true to you, anon
+--- 21957009
+>>21956974
+agreed
+--- 21957047
+>>21956983
+Why did janny delete this? Anon was right.
+--- 21957078
+my interest in /lit/ is winding down. there's just very little that interests me on here anymore. i think blood meridian will be the last book i discussed on /lit/. it wasn't even a good discussion.
+--- 21957180
+>>21957078
+well there are few good thread coming up, possible group reading of don quixote on 20th of may
+--- 21957200
+>>21957047
+you know why
+--- 21957224
+>>21957078
+We're at the end of history, nobody gives a fuck anymore about anything... just give people vidya, booze, weed, porn and a society to conform into... and that's it, the establishment won! Trannies on ALL the beers!
+--- 21957246
+>>21957224
+my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
+--- 21957269
+>>21954248
+Evola discussion has died down. Keep up.
+--- 21957308
+>>21957246
+Hey, I did post a couple links to the full The Shitkickers book above. You could be reading it tonight and having a laugh!
+--- 21957319
+>>21957308
+kys
+--- 21957325
+>>21957319
+You are a complete fucking faggot. I posted a book I lovingly crafted and posted for free, while you are nothing more than a piece of shit who doesn't write and tells an actual, real author, to kill himself on a literature board.
+
+You should kill YOURSELF, I'm going to keep writing, bitch.
+--- 21957330
+>>21957325
+you should keep writing, but don't fucking dare to shill your book to me
+--- 21957331
+>>21953744
+what did you expect? /pol/tards only like christianity for the aesthetics. it's all an act.
+--- 21957334
+>>21957330
+It's free you fucking loser. Free. How is it SHILLING you stupid fuck when it is FREE you absolute fucking loser?
+--- 21957337
+>>21957334
+if I want to read it, then I'll read it. who the fuck are you? telling me what to do. what a miserable life you have
+--- 21957344
+>>21957337
+You fucking loser, I dropped the link to my 2nd novel that I spent countless hours writing, so that people here could read a book by an independent artist and be entertained. The book has some nods to the culture from /lit/ and /pol/, and you tell me to kys?
+
+Do you ever wonder why the literary world and entertainment business is full of faggots, cunts, kikes, niggers and every other mystery meat but very few straight white guys? YOU ARE THE REASON FAGGOT. YOU FUCKING LOSER.
+--- 21957362
+>>21957344
+I understand that you are a human being (mentally deranged as you might be) and you care about things, in your case, your book. but you can't just fucking insult me and tell me to read your book.
+and I love independent artists btw.
+--- 21957370
+>>21957362
+kys
+--- 21957385
+>>21952985 (OP)
+>no question begging bait OPs
+>no jezebel OP pics
+>jannies that actually prune redudant non-catalogue checking OPs 
+>no snowflake critique OPs, writing general pinned
+Effort posters come and go.
+--- 21957395
+>>21957370
+after you
+--- 21957418
+>>21957385
+true
+--- 21957420
+>>21957344
+Jason, cool your boots man. I understand that you're mighty proud of your work (as a man should be) and you want to defend it but don't lash out like this, it's unbecoming. Think of your son; what would he feel, seeing his father like this? Take your meds if you haven't. Calm down. Breathe. Be here now.
+
+Also, going on racist/sexist/homophobic tirades is not a good look if you want to be taken seriously as a writer, here or elsewhere. I strongly advise against it.
+--- 21957426
+>>21957420
+this is what I wanted to say, thank you for this. I hope he acts rationally
+--- 21957431
+>>21957426
+>>21957420
+There is no path to being a "writer" when you're banned from all social media already anyways. I'm already an outcast, and I'm fine with it, but this fucking faggot told me to KYS after I posted a book for people to enjoy, for free!
+
+Straight up FUCK that piece of complete shit crab.
+--- 21957453
+>>21957431
+look m8, I appreciate you for posting you book for the enjoyment of people, "for free!!". But why are you being so aggressive? I apologies for telling you to kys. I hope you get better. no joke, no troll
+--- 21957454
+>>21957431
+If this >>21957426 is the same anon you had a spat with, he seems like a reasonable enough lad to me -- perhaps he would like to offer an apology for his rather harsh comment? Then we can all have a puff on the peace pipe and go on our merry ways.
+--- 21957458
+>>21957453
+See, he didn't even need me to prod him. Good on ya anon!
+--- 21957464
+>>21957454
+I do apologies. I don't like to hurt people's feelings (believe it or not), and I do regret offending him. I can see that he is not in his best state of mind and I hope he gets better
+--- 21957492
+>>21957464
+I mean, why would you tell an author on a literature board to kill themselves after they are giving a gift to the people of the board? Like are you fucked in the head or something? Why are you a fucking crab?
+--- 21957505
+>>21957492
+meds, now!!
+--- 21957511
+>>21957492
+you are beyond redemption
+--- 21957516
+>>21957511
+>>21957505
+You people make this board so shit. What a useless fucking place full of losers.
+--- 21957517
+>>21957308
+>>21957319
+>>21957325
+>>21957330
+>>21957334
+>>21957337
+>>21957344
+>>21957362
+>>21957370
+>>21957395
+>>21957420
+>>21957426
+>>21957431
+>>21957453
+>>21957454
+>>21957458
+>>21957464
+>>21957492
+>>21957505
+>>21957511
+>>21957516
+FAKE and GAY manufactured """""feud""""" to whip up viral interest in jewish shillslop of the week
+You should ALL kill yourselves (especially the guy who goes on about crabs)
+--- 21957526
+>>21957516
+What is your major malfunction?
+--- 21957529
+>>21957517
+Jewish shillslop?
+--- 21957532
+>>21957517
+anon it's not fake, that jason guy or whatever his name is, he's calling me a crab. kek
+--- 21957535
+>>21957532
+i think he's trying to use the analogy of 'crabs in a bucket'
+--- 21957587
+>>21957516
+pls eat a creampie and chill, cuck
+--- 21957654
+>>21957587
+You do realize that if you're a straight white male writer there are SO few groups or organizations that will actually promote your work, right?
+
+If I were a queer black woman, it would be SO much easier to get my work out into the world. SO many organizations that would tweet and talk about your work.
+
+As a straight white male, literally there are no organizations designed to help promote art by your group. None.
+--- 21957664
+>>21957654
+>If I were a queer black woman
+you can become one if you want
+--- 21957678
+>>21957664
+It's just funny to witness how there is ZERO support for the straight white male artist. You cannot be based on social media, you cannot find any organization to promote your shit. You are completely and totally alone if you are not beholden to some kike organization or some mainstream publisher that will cancel your ass the moment you step out of the cathedral.
+
+There is a total stranglehold on culture, and even in the dark places of the internet full of fellow outcasts, you can't get any support. I don't think a single person even read my free book from here.
+
+I mean, if you ever complain about shit being woke or the themes in modern TV and movies, you only have yourself to blame. There are brilliant writers like myself with fresh ideas and dissenting views, but if we have nobody to pump our tires, you get the goyslop media you deserve.
+--- 21957708
+>>21957678
+I'll read your book anon, don't worry
+--- 21957745
+It's very simple, force high-effort posts and recieve high-effort posters. Ban and delete any of the following on sight and you'll get a slower and higher-quality board:
+>Any post with a wojak/pepe
+>Any post about politics
+>Any post about race
+>Any post about culture wars
+>Any post where the OP uses the following "LE X is BAD/GOOD", "What did I/You think of X", "Who was in the wrong here?" "Now that the dust has settled...", 
+>Any post about e-celebs
+>Any self-promotion outside of /WG/ because fuck Card, Gardner and Ma
+>Any post on /WG/ that amounts to "Nobody will make it", "You are shit" and other crab bullshit because it's gotten to the point some threads don't have anything posted because of those faggots
+>A general for "showing off": book editions, shelf threads etc.
+--- 21957791
+>>21957745
+it could be done
+--- 21957795
+>>21957791
+>>21957745
+basically, we need to gatekeep /lit/ more. if you keep your house open, all sorts of faggots will come in and shit all over it
+--- 21957806
+>>21957745
+Some good ideas, anon. I'll try my best to not get angry and drop slurs. I spend like 90% of my time on this board anonymously encouraging other people to write and to enjoy an adventurous life in a time where everything is as corporate, sterile and cucked as possible.
+
+>>21957708
+I am confident that if people actually read my book, they will like it. It really gets fucking crazy after the 1st act. Very proud of my work. It is a dark book with a little humour mixed in.
+--- 21957823
+>>21957795
+Would be nice if people could be a little more kind to each other. We're mostly all here because regular society has deemed us as outcasts. I remember when I stood outside the government liquor store in Westbank Kelowna, in about 4 hours on the Friday from 6 PM-10 PM in -15 weather, then the next day, Saturday, it was even colder and I stood outside for 6 hours holding my sign. I made $300 + some tips, and the first thing my mother-in-law said when she heard about the money I made was "Why doesn't he get a job driving a truck or something?"
+
+It wasn't "oh, he sold 15 books standing in front of a liquor store?" It was right away a dig at me for even trying to do art. I looked up local truck driving jobs for kicks and the wages out here were like $20 an hour to drive a truck. Only $6 an hour more than the $14 an hour I made driving a truck nearly 25 years ago when my rent was only $400 a month and you could buy like 4-5 bags of groceries for $50.
+
+People like us truly have nobody on our side, at all.
+--- 21957834
+>>21957823
+The best part is, I actually did apply for a bunch of driving jobs because I love my family. I got 3 interviews and all three required the COVID vaxx. Fuck that shit. I did manage to score a part time job and I made a living this winter shoveling snow for like 7-9 hours a day. Would be nice to be able to make money with my strongest asset, my mind, but when you're banned everywhere on social media, it is difficult to sell a book.
+--- 21957845
+>>21957678
+Have you tried to get your work publish at all? Just because you heard that they "don't accept manuscripts from straight white male artist" doesn't mean you shouldn't try (unless you have already). 
+
+Also stop bitching like this, not even F. Gardener acts like this and people somehow still read his garbage.
+--- 21957855
+>>21957834
+Dude wtf is this? The first sentence doesn't even make sense.

lit/21953497.txt

@@ -13,3 +13,67 @@ Another excerpt of it that often pops in to my head years later:
 >>21953559
 True. Here's the transcript in case anyone wants to read it:
 https://web.ics.purdue.edu/~drkelly/DFWKenyonAddress2005.pdf
+--- 21954402
+>>21953497 (OP)
+even when finally being called out on not criticizing faiths other than Christianity, they will still call the Bible "bullshit" and then the quran only "lies"
+--- 21954457
+The only puzzles here are why anyone gives a shit about Amazing Atheist and why Twitter linking/screencapping isn't banned.
+--- 21954474
+>>21953497 (OP)
+I don't know who is this man in the pic
+I don't care to know
+--- 21954478
+>>21954402
+Dude you're overthinking this one
+--- 21954482
+>>21953497 (OP)
+If I keep this lecture in mind >>21953559 but am still a steadfast atheist, what am I meant to worship?
+--- 21954520
+>>21954482
+>some inviolable set of ethical principles...
+Basically anything that isn't material and corruptible
+--- 21954697
+>>21954402
+ Get a grip faggot
+--- 21955713
+>>21953497 (OP)
+i worship being a chill dude who hangs out and has fun and enjoys company and activity.... and i don't like, uhhh, see myself as unfun or life as boring. maybe he needed to relax and not take shit so serious.
+--- 21956839
+>>21955713
+...
+--- 21956854
+>>21954474
+He inserted a banana into his anus and recorded it
+That's all you need to know
+--- 21956868
+>>21956854
+I thought you meant DFW for a second
+--- 21956895
+Here are some audio files on what DFW thought about Jonathan Franzen:
+https://voca.ro/1mHDTX5NL3j6
+https://voca.ro/1hB8tfOjo5DZ
+https://voca.ro/1noVfvSMsifj
+--- 21957538
+>>21954402
+amazing atheist is a relic from the era circa 2007-2014 where internet atheists actually did rail against islam quite a bit and would constantly do stunts like drawing muhammad etc 
+no idea if he's still like that, maybe not, haven't watched anything from him in a decade
+--- 21957559
+>>21953497 (OP)
+DFW was legit man
+--- 21957573
+>>21957538
+>no idea if he's still like that, maybe not,
+He's a full on degenerate tranny supporter now. Zero edge (unless it's against Christians, predictably).
+--- 21957576
+Why does this dumbassws tweets keep getting posted here? This isn't literature this is a faggot on Twitter
+--- 21957603
+>>21956895
+lol
+
+I genuinely just checked if Franzen had married the coffee table woman.
+--- 21957605
+>>21957538
+>>21957573
+He's a mentally ill faggot who stuck a banana up his ass on a stream, also, he has a microcock.
+
+Fucking loser 100%, which is why he is popular on Twitter.

lit/21953523.txt

@@ -93,3 +93,195 @@ probably but not really. In the end buddhism is a religion that has many unverif
 But for the non-religious, what good is this? I am irreligious, I don't think rebirth exists. It's 'one life and done'. So buddhism offers nothing. I have no need to end rebirth, because it doesn't exist.
 
 and so the problem remains. I'm going to die, everyone who I know will die, my life is transient, incomprehensible, fleeting and marked by various suffering. there's various good things but on the whole I'm a strang creature in a strange world whose body has near constant needs I must fulfill, and whose mindis restless unsatisfied and uneasy. I deal with my needs protection food water shelter etc to keep my body going sustaining my consciousness all the while my body is slowly aging, breaking down, becoming weary and weathered. and I will die and it will be as if it never happened in the first place.
+--- 21953800
+Well, there isn't much you can do. What happened is you've moved the concept into reality. A lot of people walk around in concept mode until the day they die. 
+
+What helps is near constant distraction. Helps to stop learning things too. I don't want to know anymore. That's for the concept folks. For entertainment I recommend cartoons. I barely read anymore, its torturous. 
+
+Maybe throw yourself into some manual labor. Try to get over empathy. Work out crimes you could conceivably get away with. Whatever you do, just try not to think.
+--- 21953805
+>>21953523 (OP)
+Read the stoics
+--- 21953861
+>>21953742
+kek. retard. the point is to die with dignity and not like a barnacle still clinging to sensuality.
+--- 21953864
+>>21953742
+>he's a mortalist
+>my first-person locus spontaneously materialized out of the void and this can't happen again because... buttfucking good
+Dying
+--- 21953868
+>>21953864
+>my first-person locus spontaneously materialized out of the void and this can't happen again because... buttfucking good
+
+I came from my mothers womb. I cant be born again because my mother is dead
+--- 21953869
+>>21953868
+That's why I specified "first-person locus" and not "body" you troglodyte.
+--- 21953873
+>>21953742
+There are plenty of unverifiable facts that are true whether or not you believe in them. Not believing in rebirth doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
+--- 21953877
+>>21953864
+>>21953868
+also the idea there's a "locus", a stable, persisting through time ego, self, soul is just an ongoing mental fiction. I exist presently. I experience memories presently. I project a past behind myself and a future ahead giving the illusion of persistence through time. as if time is linear and I'm a persistent ego travelling along from the very really real past into the really really real future. It's just mental constructions. My existence is directly present, and what's present is fleeting, shifting perceptions, ongoing thoughts and ideas. It's constant change and flux.
+--- 21953880
+>>21953873
+>There are plenty of unverifiable facts that are true
+
+h-how do you know?
+--- 21953890
+>>21953877
+>regurgitates foundational buddhist insights to refute buddhism
+retard. You're the same stripe of shitwit who points to Darwin and le dog eat dog world to refute gnosticism/dualism. there's a quite literal "middle way" between substantialism/eternalism and the pseudo-nihilism you're espousing here. The "locus" is that which is able to say "this is not me, not mine, not myself" in all cases
+--- 21953892
+>>21953880
+deductive logic or induction
+--- 21954076
+>>21953523 (OP)
+the only honest cope is accepting the chaos and irresolution of life if you mix it with death. you have to accept the unacceptable and disrespectful reality of death. 
+in fact, there is no life, there is life and death together. since the beginning. since you were born, you were cheated in this sense. you are already cheated and self-cheated if you want to close your eyes or idealize this completely evident reality.
+there is no peace with death once you really know it, you can have some distance, some mental distance, some perspective, thats all, thats not really peace, you have to understand this, there is no peace with this, life needs death, and i dont mean this in the some dark psychopath joker fan meme sense, i mean it, i really mean it, life is a turbulent space precisely because its a clash of various things constantly rusting, eroding, capturing and conquering other things which is the essence of death. 
+obviously, we are humans. we can invent everything, if you want to find some peace you eventually can have one, you can create some half-baked peace, but remember that it should not be necessary with this completely intrinsic to life process. you will have to make long manipulations and self-manipulations in order to not see something this plain and simple. basically stay away from searching peace in this sense and you should be good after some self-reflection.
+--- 21954093
+>>21953523 (OP)
+Literally nietzsche's idea of eternal recurrence
+--- 21954921
+>>21953523 (OP)
+Time is an illusion. We perceive time as a river constantly flowing forward but it's actually standing still. The current exists simultaneously in its every part. In other words, the past and present are happening at the same time. What is the past for you is actually the future for someone else. In 1066, William the Conqueror is invading England. In our temporal coordinates, that invasion has been long over but it doesn't change the fact that for William, he is still invading England. 
+This resembles a schizo rambling but it's actually a well-supported theory about time called eternalism and compatible with the theory of relativity.
+--- 21954924
+is he fucking naked?? this is blue board
+--- 21954989
+>>21953523 (OP)
+At present literally the only consolatory belief I currently can maintain is the knowledge that I will one day be dead and not have to endure this farce of a universe which I despise so much. 
+
+God, please bring my death on, painlessly I hope, yes, but if not painless, at least rapid in its oncoming.
+--- 21955019
+Buddhism, unironically.
+--- 21955258
+>>21954093
+Its basically Samsara which from my basic understanding Hindus didnt think of it as something to celebrate but as more of an eternal hell in which we are trapped for all eternity reincarnating as different form and experincing all sorts of suffering
+--- 21955263
+>>21955019
+Where do I start? What texts will help me and stop me from fearing death? I want to find peace
+--- 21955292
+>>21953523 (OP)
+>life is impermanent and that death is inevitable?
+I wish I were so certain
+
+I only fear reliving my cringe via eternal recurrence, or hell
+--- 21955333
+>>21955292
+>eternal recurrence
+Even if this was the case, you wont remember your last life. Its starting as a new form of life without memory or attachment to the past life and experiencing all sorts of suffering all pver again, its quite scary too be honest.
+--- 21955345
+>>21953523 (OP)
+that greek nigga who said something like what it is it will always be, from nothing came nothing and shit like that yo, Pausanias or something Ionno
+--- 21955351
+>>21953685
+you must look good or white enough, that doesn't make any sense
+--- 21956223
+>>>21953880
+a lot of people think gravity doesn't exist and that doesn't change the fact they live in a world with gravity in it.
+so whether or not you think it exists means nothing
+--- 21956569
+bump
+--- 21956645
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM [Embed]
+--- 21956685
+>>21953523 (OP)
+Ecclesiastes and the Psalter
+--- 21956769
+>>21953523 (OP)
+>>21953549
+>>21953684
+>>21955263
+Unironically study NDEs and realize that there actually is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And there are scores of studies confirming that reading about or listening to NDEs lessens or removes the fear of death. And while the Bible and the Qu'ran convinces few people who do not already believe, the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife.
+
+Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:
+
+https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]
+
+It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:
+
+https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist 
+
+>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."
+
+Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.
+
+Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:
+
+>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."
+
+Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs.
+--- 21956812
+>>21953523 (OP)
+I dont know if this will help but I like the following two propositions from Wittgenstein’s Tractatus
+
+>6.4311 Death is not an event of life. Death is not lived through.
+If by eternity is understood not endless temporal duration but timelessness, then he lives eternally who lives in the present. Our life is endless in the way that our visual field is without limit. 
+>6.4312 The temporal immortality of the soul of man, that is to say, its eternal survival also after death, is not only in no way guaranteed, but this assumption in the first place will not do for us what we always tried to make it do. Is a riddle solved by the fact that I survive for ever? Is this eternal life not as enigmatic as our present one? The solution of the riddle of life in space and time lies outside space and time.
+
+Basically even if we were immortal (which who knows maybe we are) the answer to how to live a “meaningful life” would still remain unsolved, it would just be pushed into eternity. The best you can do is try to find some kind of meaning in every moment you live instead of worrying about death all the time
+--- 21956830
+>>21955258
+Yeah
+It's one of the more pessimistic or cynical worldviews but it truly just makes sense seeing as everything else becomes meaningless repetition after a certain point. It's this sort of simulacrum or repeats of repeats. And that's with everything
+--- 21956835
+Put a shirt on
+--- 21956871
+>>21956830
+I don’t understand why people are so scared of the idea of eternal recurrence. Even in my deepest misery I have often taken in simple pleasures like listening to birds sing outside my window on a sunny day and thought “even if I had to live through everything again it would be worth it just to relive this moment”. Something is always better than nothing imo.
+--- 21956874
+>>21956871
+I'm not scared by it, I more just find the idea nonsensical and absurd because it's the most plausible
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincare_recurrence_theorem
+--- 21956881
+And as for the buddhists or nietzsche, realizing suffering is a copy of a copy like everything else does not make it more meaningful, but I digress
+--- 21956882
+>>21956874
+Is it really meaningless and absurd if you can find some meaning in your little epoch of the cycle?
+--- 21956887
+>>21956882
+I guess that's left up to the reader
+--- 21956946
+>>21953523 (OP)
+Taking for granted that free will doesn't exist, this existential anxiety you're experiencing isn't even *yours* per se: you're just aware of and have diverted your attention to these thoughts appearing and are so absorbed in your own diaphanous consciousness that you *think* this is your dread. That is the insidious mystery of consciousness to me. Where do these thoughts emerge from? Why are you even worried about the inevitability of death at this very moment and not about something else entirely? That question to me, answerable or not, is some small comfort precisely because it reveals I have no ownership of who or what I am, no say in why I like the things I do, why I choose to despair over certain things and not others. When you begin to understand just how *transparent* and invisible consciousness is, you realize how immersed we are in the illusion of it, such that we really actually identify ourselves with these flesh-and-bone machines descended from apes that we've only been commandeering for a few decades. That isn't to say the human experience isn't beautiful or profound, but I almost want to say it's beautiful and profound *in spite of* the agonizing indifference and unsatisfying nature of the universe. We are animals programmed to want to live forever and the universe doesn't fucking care and that angers me, but even that anger is undercut by the very notion that "my anger" isn't even a feasible concept because I don't "own" that anger, it's just an effect of biological facts over which I have ultimately no control. 
+
+It was over when the first replicator emerged.
+--- 21956976
+>>21956946
+>I don't "own" that anger, it's just an effect of biological facts over which I have ultimately no control.
+This is what reddit does to a mf.
+--- 21956984
+>>21956976
+Why do you feel anger at all over the things you do?
+--- 21957005
+>>21956946
+>In such a world we can wonder what horrors are in store, but we might not need to look too far for Ligotti shows us a universe that is dsyphoric and nihilistic, one that is fascinatingly revealed in the story of The Clown Puppet, where the protaganist receives certain visitations from a puppet clown (agent of the Big Other?) at different junctures in his life. None of these strange encounters is every very revealing, instead they seem to be both banal and utterly absurd in their marked propensity to undermine any meaning whatsoever.
+
+>The protagonist is working in a medicine shop one night when the clown suddenly appears handing him a small book, a passport - the passport of his boss, Ivan Vizniak. This intrusion surprises him because he had never thought that anyone else would become a part of the visitation. The puppet floats before him with its dead eyes hollowed out of some hellish mind, bound to strings that vanish in a blur above it in the ceiling where some invisible puppeter of the abyss hides, withdrawn in his dark objecthood, while the clown puppet like some sensuous artifact of wood and string dances on the hollow thoughts of a mad god.
+
+>Just as protaganist is about to lose his mind and do something rash, the puppet turns its head toward the back of the store where a curtain covers a small store room. The puppet moves off in that direction just as the proprietor who has been sleeping above raps his knuckles on the front door of the shop
+
+>The protagonist assumed that he was alone, that he'd been singled out:
+
+"Who knows how many others there were who might say that existence consisted of nothing but the most outrageous nonsense, a nonsense that had nothing unique about it at all and had nothing behind it or beyond it but except more and more nonsense - a new order of nonsense, perhaps an utterly unknown nonsense, but all of it nonsense and nothing but nonsense"
+--- 21957036
+>>21956984
+>woah man nobody like really feels anything man like totally *hits blunt* nobody controls anything man
+--- 21957057
+>>21957036
+It's not that you don't feel or control anything; it's that you already have to be mentally predisposed to accepting that that *feeling* of control, so immanent, so *itself-in-itself,* is nothing more than whatever your brain has almost perfectly designed to be diaphanous and coincident with whatever *your self* is.
+--- 21957065
+>>21957057
+>it nothing more than was if it be
+so deep man, go write a book already
+--- 21957077
+>>21957065
+I don't actually believe most of what I'm writing, but I'm writing it as an exercise for someone here to hopefully reject it. That's all.
+
+I want to be wrong. I want there to be more. I want coherence and consistency and love and God.

lit/21953528.txt

@@ -35,3 +35,753 @@ mmhmm!, yup!, checks out
 >Write
 --- 21953703
 if you have to include graphic sex in everything you write then your writing is not good
+--- 21953826
+You did write your 2000 daily words today, right /wg/?
+--- 21953830
+>>21953826
+nope not a single letter
+--- 21953888
+>>21953826
+Stupid smug anime poster.
+>my day has even begun.
+--- 21953889
+>>21953528 (OP)
+Threadly reminder that if you spend more time on world building and explaining your magic system. You are not writing a progression fantasy but an autistic dialogue filler of a wank fest.
+--- 21953974
+>>21953889
+I hate what has become of the phrase "world building".
+
+Monsters do not exist in a vacuum. There is context to why they are there, how they behave, and how the MC can kill them. Indulging that is how you regain the wonder in the fantasy genre
+
+>inb4 just summon them with magic
+--- 21954214
+>>21953644
+I wrote 500 words this morning. I am gonna start doing that more often instead of doing so little else before work.
+--- 21954230
+>>21953974
+>There is context to why they are there, how they behave, and how the MC can kill them.
+maybe, but are you competent enough to make it interesting?
+--- 21954246
+>>21954230
+Yes.
+--- 21954785
+>pic related
+Question about writing in the third person limited. At the end of the paragraph, I have a single sentence that I wrote in three different ways. I want to know if any of them are simply wrong for writing in third person limited or if they carry different meanings at all. Personally, I don't like using italics to write character thoughts, but sometimes in writing, I don't add 'they thought' to the end, like in the first example. Anyone willing to share their thoughts on how this should read?
+--- 21954801
+>>21954785
+I'm partial to the third one. It connects it back to the start of the paragraph reinforcing the whole thing as his thoughts, and the italics make it a bit clearer
+--- 21954828
+>>21954785
+I like the first option, for the opposite reason that >>21954801 stated - the double use of "thought" in such a short span felt a bit repetitive to me. I guess it really is different strokes for different folks.
+--- 21954840
+>>21953826
+Yes, I already finished before I went to sleep at 4AM.
+--- 21954845
+>>21953644
+Was Fitzgerald the best prose writer among his contemporaries?
+--- 21954858
+>>21953826
+Yeah, but I deleted most of it and I'm currently rewriting it. It's just smut anyway.
+--- 21954911
+>>21954246
+Citation required.
+>>21954785
+Anything with italics must be deleted.
+>>21953584
+At first i thought you were trying to hard but then you kept on trying.
+--- 21954979
+>>21954785
+Fourth option: "I'm not going anywhere", in italics, sans "he thought"
+--- 21955071
+Will they laugh at me if I tell them I'm writing a comic script...
+
+But seriously, I've been writing, finishing and revising this for so long that it has become stale to me, to the point that I cannot bring myself to do the final revision and actually draw the damn thing. You really should strike the iron while it's hot. It also explains why some mangas go downhill after a while, their very authors just get tired of their own creation. Revision hell is creative death.
+
+Looks like it's really best to do just one small self contained story rather than le big ebic DEEEEP multi-faceted nuanced morally grey LE MASTERPIECE. We get bombarded with tales of praise of these great writers and come to think we cannot afford to do anything less in order to be even considered, everything that's being made HAS to be the best thing ever or it's automatically shit. Expectations. We're asking too much of ourselves, nobody will make a great piece or even a good one on their first go. True creativity probably can only be achieved if art is treated as a hobby and not a job by he who pursues it unless you really are that exceptionally talented that you can live off of it, but I'll stop here
+--- 21955092
+>>21954785
+Use the third one. I just check my copy of Dune whenever I need to know how to write something.
+
+
+also. 
+>>21954911
+filtered
+--- 21955106
+Burnman by Clark Ashe
+
+A despondent electrician is freed from jail in return for joining a treacherous retrieval mission.
+
+In 2085, the world is rocked by the sudden disappearance of artificial intelligence. A series of natural disasters twenty years ago caused a famine which killed roughly five percent of the world's population. Without the assistance of AI, global leaders fear a repeated descent into anarchy. Their concerns lead to the establishment of a United Nations task force, nicknamed the "Burnmen", dedicated to recovering and restoring old AI algorithms at any cost. However, the assignment proves more dangerous than initially thought, as several squads vanish without a trace.
+
+Wilbur Reed is an aimless thirty-something electrician who lives in Northwest Detroit. Despite the city's transformation into an agricultural hub, it still suffers rampant blackouts and supply shortages. When Reed gets caught siphoning electricity on behalf of a friend, he's thrown in jail and left to starve. But his connections soon buy him another chance -- at the brink of life and death.
+
+4fun project but want to see how it turns out. Haven't written anything yet. Action/Adventure/Thriller
+--- 21955119
+>>21953528 (OP)
+I haven't picked up a current year book in so long. Why does everyone use the British dash and single quotes now?
+--- 21955149
+>>21955071
+>Will they laugh at me if I tell them I'm writing a comic script...
+They'll laugh at you just the same as when you say you're writing a book. A million people are "writing" a book. Until you produce something people will roll their eyes and laugh behind their hands because you're not doing anything.
+> I've been writing, finishing and revising this for so long that it has become stale to me, to the point that I cannot bring myself to do the final revision and actually draw the damn thing
+>working on a comic strip
+>hasn't drawn anything
+are you even listening to yourself? there is no comic strip. there is nothing.
+--- 21955177
+>>21955119
+gives me hopium as a yank who prefers british spellings
+>noooooo you were born on this pile of dirt and not that other pile of dirt, so you have to spell defence as "defense" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+get over it, i'm a denizen of the internet, let me use whichever spelling i want
+--- 21955188
+>>21955119
+As a child I read more british authors than american, Roald Dahl, CS Lewis, Richard Adams, JRR Tolkien, and as a result I prefer british spellings and turns of phrase to american ones. I also took latin in school and a number of english words the biritsh spelling is closer to the latin root. theatre, for instance, from the latin theatrum. grey instead of gray because I don't like fags.
+
+Basically what I'm saying is british english has many more centuries of writing and history than american english, so I tend to prefer it.
+--- 21955192
+>>21955177
+
+But anon, consider "defensive" and now you realize why "defense" makes more sense.
+--- 21955243
+>>21955192
+AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
+--- 21955250
+>>21954785
+1st
+--- 21955326
+>>21953528 (OP)
+The elevator came to a complete halt, making it's five occupants jerk inside with the suddenness. The power went out and the emergency back up came on in the space of ten seconds. Enough time to be encapsulated in a blinding darkness that made Chanel make a sharp gasp of surprise.
+
+"What was that?" Vera questioned as she regained her balance.
+
+"Power outage," Videl answered her," It's just a power outage. Everyone stay calm,"
+
+"That's the first time this happened," Colson mused to Chanel.
+
+"It's not the first time, at least not for me," Videl said, calmly.
+
+"You're saying this is a repeating problem?" Bernice asked, incredously," What the fuck? Why hasn't this been fixed already?"
+
+"It's just teething problems. It'll sort itself out after ten minutes or so," Videl assuaged.
+
+Bernice gave Videl a sour look but chose to seal his lips as he brought out his phone and saw that he had no bars at all.
+
+"Does anyone have service on their phone?" Bernice questioned," Mine is out,"
+
+Colson and Vera checked their phones.
+
+"No service," Colson said.
+
+"No service either," Vera said as she gazed at her phone.
+
+"That's great," Berince jested before looking at Videl," Is this part of the power outage too?"
+
+"I never noticed," Videl softly smiled.
+
+"Damn it," Bernice muttered under his breath, the irritability getting to him.
+
+Chanel hooked an arm around Colson's and rested her head against his shoulder.
+
+"And to think we could have left early without so much as a travail," Chanel softly said.
+
+"Have faith," Colson softly squeezed her hand in comfort," Mr. Videl said it'll be ten minutes at the most. That is your name, isn't it?"
+
+"That's kind of you to notice a lowly security guard," Videl mused.
+--- 21955355
+>>21955326
+>mused
+in neither of the lines of dialogue are they musing
+>assuaged
+what's wrong with said? and every line has dialogue tags or people fussing and bussing and dancing and whatever else.
+>Bernice muttered under his breath
+I did not know Bernice was a man's name
+>And to think we could have left early without so much as a travail
+I don't think travail is the correct word. Even if it is the correct word - it isn't - you shouldn't use it in the way you've used it.
+--- 21955439
+>>21955355
+"Oy vey, muh shekels," Goldberg chucked.
+
+"This is anudda shoah!" he sneeded.
+--- 21955500
+>>21955149
+>there is nothing.
+My point exactly!
+--- 21955514
+>The good woman is chased.
+Sometimes I write a sentence and then think to myself "that's a really good sentence"
+--- 21955522
+>>21955514
+Reminds me of a joke my father made a couple of times.
+"Your mother was chaste, and then I caught her."
+It works better when spoken instead of written, but I've always found it to be very funny.
+--- 21955623
+>>21955106
+You have my interest. Synopsis was written well and I like the concept. Definitely write it.
+--- 21955642
+How do I do on atmosphere and making you feel for my character's safety and creating while trying to maintain an impending sense of doom and dread?
+--- 21955729
+>>21953826
+I've made my goal to write 3000, words every day. 
+Last week I couldn't manage over 50. 
+Now I'm writing 300 a day so far. So one of these I hope
+--- 21955774
+>>21955642
+An issue you have throughout the entire piece is you spend 10 words saying something when 3 would do. Example:
+>Another reason I wanted to get the ball and go back to my car so I could drive home was that dusk was looming
+This is a lot of extraneous unnecessary information
+>but I was too caught up in a mixture of confusion and fear, which had left me paralysed as my eyes locked with the eyes of this strange humanoid ape-like creature that was just sitting quietly perched on a rock observing me minding its own buisness.
+Holy run on sentence. Tighten it up. If you want to add tension remove the part where he perceives the monster as just minding its own business.
+>The thing sat staring at me. A hairy humanoid, an ape-like creature with a jutting jaw and neanderthal brow, perched on a nearby rock. It saw me, and it saw me seeing it. I should've slowly stood up and backed off - I should've spun around and torn off through the woods running as fast as I could - but I couldn't. I couldn't move, I couldn't yell, I couldn't think. All I could do in that moment was sit paralyzed in fear.
+--- 21955777
+Did anon ever post more than 4 of these?
+--- 21955780
+>>21955774
+>It saw me, and it saw me seeing it.
+on reread it should be: It saw me, and it saw that I saw it.
+--- 21955782
+Does this make any sense
+“Nativity as a symptom of age is cured only by the origin of the ailment itself”
+--- 21955791
+>>21955782
+no
+did you mean "naivety"?
+even then it doesn't make sense
+--- 21955801
+>>21955791
+Sorry, yes. English not first language.
+Why doesn’t this work?
+I want to say that she causes one to be naive (youth) but it is also cured by aging itself. How would I alter my sentence?
+--- 21955807
+>>21955801
+I meant age* not she
+--- 21955878
+>>21955801
+To reword it, you'd need to use age as a verb so that the reader understands that some aging results in naivety, but more aging cures it. Otherwise you're writing "Naivety as a symptom of [being young] is cured only by [being young]." which doesn't make sense.
+--- 21955902
+>>21955782
+>We are made naive by age, and cured of this very ailment by the continuation of its cause.
+--- 21955909
+>>21955902
+my reading comprehension is retarded
+it should actually be
+>Naivety, as a symptom of one's age, is cured by further passage of time.
+--- 21955930
+>>21955777
+The mad anon wrote his hackwork, scribbling.
+--- 21956153
+ESLtard writing in English here. How the fuck do you call or describe the action being done in pic related? Like putting your elbows on the table or whatever and putting your head into your hands as an expression of feeling depressed and/or defeated.
+I feel like there's a phrase or expression for this but I can't fucking figure it out.
+--- 21956163
+>>21956153
+>I feel like there's a phrase or expression for this 
+You'd think so.
+You'd really fucking think so.
+--- 21956168
+>>21956153
+Anon sat down at the table, despondent that he had failed to meet his daily word count goal yet again. With a sigh, he rested his head on his hands and wondered if he would ever finish his manuscript.
+--- 21956175
+>>21956153
+i say 'he rested his head on his hands' but im not sure if thats too vague to picture
+--- 21956187
+>>21956163
+Being ESL is a nightmare, you never know if you're just stupid or if there's simply no proper word to describe something you want to depict in text without being confusing.
+>>21956168
+>>21956175
+So I guess it really is just "to rest one's head on one's hands"? Does it implicitly suggest that the elbows are on the table like that?
+What if the palms cover the whole face instead of the cheeks?
+--- 21956196
+>>21956153
+>people who browse the internet so much their brain can only form thoughts in visual meme format
+
+rip your router out of your wall and throw your phone in the trash.
+--- 21956201
+>>21956187
+i think being caught up in super specific details like that will bog down the narration. there are times you just have to depend on the reader to get the implication. >>21956168 this is pretty vivid enough to get the picture. it all depends on the context
+--- 21956204
+>>21956196
+What the fuck are you talking about? How is this a fucking meme format? It's a stickman drawing I made in paint. Get the stick out of your ass.
+>>21956201
+All right, seems like it's clear enough like that. Thanks.
+--- 21956244
+>>21956187
+"Where did it go wrong?" he mused. "All I wanted was to figure out how to properly depict a scene, but instead I spent all day drawing stick figures and arguing with shitposters on the internet."
+Anon covered his face and rubbed his exhausted eyes. Writing in a second language was so much more difficult than he had imagined.
+--- 21956268
+>>21956153
+He rested his chin on his hands. But if you want more context for the character being upset he could be leaning on his hands or some other verb that could describe how the posture looks. Maybe even emphasis where he's looking, a facial description, something like that to add to it if necessary.
+Since you mentioned it, if someone is upset and covers their face, it is "burying your face in your hands" or "holding your head in your hands."
+--- 21956274
+>>21956244
+Joke's on you, I already wrote 1100 words today, which is way above my average.
+Anyway, that's enough avatarfagging, thanks for your help anons.
+>>21956268
+>"burying your face in your hands"
+That's a good one, much appreciated.
+--- 21956300
+>>21956274
+Perhaps not all was lost, though. Advice was given and advice was taken. Brief breaks were healthy for both mind and body. There was no shame in taking some time off to improve his craft. Spirits uplifted, he opened his eyes again and began anew on the endless work.
+--- 21956352
+Is fanfiction valid here or will that get me chased out of the room
+--- 21956369
+>>21956352
+literally anything other than unreadable wannabe ulysses type shit will get random spergs trying to chase you off
+--- 21956376
+>>21955782
+"The young are naive, but it never lasts."
+
+Adjust your pronouns and tenses as necessary
+--- 21956378
+>>21956352
+Post it, don't worry too much about anonymous chuds who don't write.
+--- 21956386
+if I post my work here will normies discriminate against me? assuming I eventually want to publish traditionally
+--- 21956392
+>>21956352
+i was told it is against the rules, but i'd like to open discussion to it, since fanfiction is no less valid than animewriting and genreshit
+--- 21956398
+>>21956386
+Literally nobody cares dude, if you think you're going to get trad pubbed, you're fucking dreaming.
+--- 21956400
+>>21956386
+I would ask these normies to explain how they knew it was posted here.
+--- 21956409
+there's nothing more pathetic than daydreaming about getting canceled before you've even finished a short story
+what a fucking loser
+--- 21956411
+>>21956386
+You're not getting tradpubbed unless you:
+
+- are a nigger, a woman, a tranny, disabled, etc
+
+- have a non-white sounding name
+
+- are one of the protected races (not white or lightskinned nonwhite, unless you're a jew)
+
+- write fiction which toes the political line or is otherwise aggressively inoffensive
+
+Pick at least three of these. If you qualify, you may have a chance at getting tradpubbed.
+
+The silver bullet is knowing someone in publishing, in which case almost any hack can get published
+--- 21956412
+>>21956398
+I will get traditionally published.
+--- 21956544
+>>21956409
+this is a pretty aggressive statement to make lol. shit on the wrong side of the bed?
+--- 21956731
+>>21956709
+I was part of their server a few years ago, I guess it's a good thing I never got too involved.
+They had a weird culture around doxxing, as in the active users felt entitled to know everyone's personal information because "everyone's already doxxed". The fact that someone is just sharing the doxx that they already possessed doesn't surprise me at all. The server was dominated by schizo ramblings and pretentiousness, it was just a matter of time before someone blew it all up.
+--- 21956758
+2000 words a day is fucking insane. It takes me an hour to an hour and a half to write just 500 words. I don't have 5 hours to spend on writing per day.
+--- 21956775
+>>21956709
+schizos think some guy is gonna dox them so they do a bit of the ol' Roman "pre-emptive defensive retaliation" and dox him instead
+--- 21956782
+>>21956398
+>From the left
+You did NOT need to tell me that.
+--- 21956787
+>>21956758
+2000 words a day isn't really necessary at all. It tickles me that this community makes up rules for others to follow without proving their own success. It comes off as sabotage honestly
+--- 21956794
+>>21956787
+If you don't realize that the 2000 words a day poster is a sabotaging crab by his image alone I don't know what to tell you.
+--- 21956804
+>>21956731
+That place was a powder keg waiting to blow, and Rhyme decided to light the match
+--- 21956818
+>>21956804
+at this point the magazine is obsolete anyway, if you actually want to write and get feedback you can do that immediately through any of the resources in this general. a lot of the magazine submissions were either trolls or edgy accelerationist tripe. very few stories of real interest
+--- 21956861
+>>21956731
+>redditscord
+so for anyone wondering why whenever some fag shows up here whining about making some discord server and people tell him to fuck off, remember this. nothing good comes from discord.
+--- 21956862
+>>21956818
+are you talking about &amp or unreal?
+--- 21956891
+>>21956862
+i'm talking about unreal but from what i've read of &amp they suffered from quality control issues too. just throw all the ecelebs in the trash
+--- 21956897
+Has there been a good book that came out of this shithole?
+--- 21956903
+>>21956897
+Son of the Sun by Charles Dearmore was good
+--- 21957012
+test
+--- 21957016
+>>21956897
+my diary desu
+--- 21957080
+>>21956897
+I rather liked "Son Of The Sun" (as >>21956903 said) as well as "Salvation On Peril Island" by Nash Knight, and "Xenos Depths" by Michael D. Cinder.
+--- 21957163
+>>21956411
+Where the fuck do white men get all this hate from
+I don't see any of them whipping slaves or beating and raping women.
+Why are they treated like they're doing all of that and more? 
+I think it's just some social media thing and secretly women only want to fuck white men but on the outside they have to pretend they don't or something.
+It's so bizzare.
+--- 21957168
+>>21957163
+You know who.
+--- 21957172
+21957167
+The war in Ukraine is based because it is another American proxy war against Russia.
+Also, writing, please fuck off.
+--- 21957173
+>>21957163
+haha I dunno haha I bet it's just some social media thing like you said tho
+haha
+--- 21957179
+What must we do for divinity now!
+--- 21957183
+Great, we are getting raided by schizo retards. Can't you fuck off to /pol/ or at least make your own thread?
+--- 21957184
+>>21957183
+You first.
+Stop giving them attention, retard.
+--- 21957205
+>>21953569
+I found a way to make myself have a bowel movement. I learned the hard way when I was driving to work. Driving has always made me anxious, and the rush in the morning to get to the office amplified the feeling. The problem is, is that morning is usually when I have a bowel movement. So, I'd get up, shower, hop in the car with only 30 minutes until clock-in, and 20 minutes on the road, and 10 minutes in to my drive, all worked up from the traffic, its stop and go pace, my eyes darting from the gridlock to the clock, I felt that dreadful drop in my stomach. I looked for an off-ramp, but I thought maybe I could make it, that I was close enough to the office and could hold it. As I raced through the parking ramp, looking for a place to park, the drop in my stomach turned to a push. I tried to hold it back but my sphincter relented. I called my boss from the parking ramp, said I was sick, and wouldn't be in that day. I drove home, sitting in my shit.
+Later, I thought about Jacques Lacan, and his seminar on anxiety. In the seminar, he made a connection between anxiety and shitting. I thought about this, how my need to shit seemed to kick up when I was driving. Knowing that driving made me anxious, I made the connection. So, before I went to work, I learned to make myself anxious, that it would release my bowels, force a movement. I usually had to do this three or four times in the morning, but I never shit my pants again. Although there were a few close calls.
+--- 21957302
+I’m in a mood. If you’ve got questions, I’ve got answers. Worked in the industry blah blah. And no, I’m not liable to read your work.
+--- 21957306
+>>21957302
+how correct are claims like >>21956411?
+I heard there was once a shitshow in Spain because a famous "female mystery author" won an award and at the award ceremony it was revealed that it was actually three dudes working under a pseudonym specifically to avoid antimale discrimination
+--- 21957336
+>>21957306
+It’s generally untrue and mostly /pol/ level schizo posting mixed with copium for not getting 
+published. 
+
+While there is some truth that there are now programs/publishers that solely focus on publishing lgbtq, female, poc, etc, authors, it’s by no means the gold standard, or even the norm. You’ve got to remember two things. The first is that publishing, thanks to the internet, is so fucking vast and expansive compared to what it once was that niche publishers that cater only the above can exist without treading on the toes of the big five. (And the big five in no means cater solely to those listen above.) Second, women and the lgbtq make up the biggest demographic in these areas. Statistically most writers are female now. Most who work in the industry are female. And most who read are female. (Though genre breakdown can have make domination). The point is, seeing more female writers shouldn’t be surprising. Same with lgbtq writers. 
+
+However he is correct about two things. The first is that anyone can be published. Good or bad. Hack or not. Publishers take chances on anyone since trendcashing doesn’t work well in the industry outside of certain niches. Harry Potter got popular because librarians pushed it. Fifty shades is a twilight fanfic that scratched some fucking itch for middle aged women. Both are middling. 
+
+The second truth is that it’s a fuckton easier to be published if you know someone within the industry. Networking is important in this business. 
+
+
+Also what in the fuck happened to this thread, and 4chan in general
+--- 21957339
+>>21957336
+>Most who work in the industry are female. And most who read are female
+Oh, so rather than being an actual conspiracy, it's plain old in-group favoritism.
+--- 21957347
+>>21957339
+...Sexism. You're trying to say sexism. That's what it is.
+--- 21957354
+>>21957336
+>Publishers take chances on anyone
+>harry potter
+was rejected a number of times
+>50 shades
+was self published success first
+you don't know shit about shit. I almost expect you actually are in the industry because you're so fucking clueless
+--- 21957359
+>>21957306
+>>21957336
+To add as an after thought, mostly people care about what you write. At least on the smaller end of the publishing spectrum. Good writing thrives there. Larger end/big 5 publishing is all about impressions and pitching. You’ve got to remember your work is being pitted against literal thousands of others, and if you think your the only sole good story, you would be dead wrong. Not to mention that personal taste can go along way too. The general point is that luck plays a major factor, as the pool of writers is so god damned vast. Statistically 80% of people think they have a story. 60% think they could make a good memoir. As a result more and more traditionally “none white” writers are being published since, you know, the fucking pool is big now. And anons like that can’t cope.
+
+As for the idea that traditional publishing is garbage, I counter that by asking you to produce me a self published title that was a commercial success. No, you cannot use the Martian it’s literally the only example.
+--- 21957365
+>>21957347
+Yes sure and who cares. Women can be sexist if they want. I certainly am. And racist. Women now control publishing in ways men used to, men weren't exactly benevolent with that control either.
+--- 21957368
+>>21957359
+>self published title that was a commercial success
+50 shades, you dunce
+colleen hoover
+--- 21957371
+>>21957359
+>I counter that by asking you to produce me a self published title that was a commercial success
+Not only can I point to one, I can point to one from here: fortysixtyfour's Trailer Trash. Not only did it and does it sell on amazon, it makes the vast majority of its money through Patreon.
+
+Like it or not, serialized web fiction w/ "pay to read ahead" type Patreon schemes is the most viable method for any independent author to make money from their work and start building a fanbase for themselves.
+--- 21957379
+>>21957371
+>https://www.patreon.com/FortySixtyFour
+>picrel
+bruh
+--- 21957384
+>>21957339
+Cope. 
+The point that I’m making is that there is a larger female pool to pull from than male at the moment. We’re talking a fucking 5:1 ratio at least. More female authors means more females published. More females in the industry means more females who get published via networking. The same thing happened when it was male dominated, but I doubt you’d call it sexism then. It’s like decrying that there aren’t enough professional female gamers, when the pool is vastly in favour of nolifer betas grinding out sick dubs, than a female incel who’s better than my boy flower , she probably exists, but she’s drowned out by the sheer volume of also competent male players. Same thing happening here. A ton more female writers who are just as good as you, or better, and so your ass is staying the proverbial pool. Learn to market yourself, or get better. 
+
+>>21957354
+Wow you cracked the code. Are you published my son? 
+
+Explain to me how a publisher chooses whom to publish, and I’ll slap my dick on your face with a response when your done. 
+
+Gods these threads are fucking Whiney when compared to several years ago
+--- 21957388
+>>21957384
+>but I doubt you’d call it sexism then
+no, it was sexism back then too
+sneed
+--- 21957394
+>>21957384
+>I’ll slap my dick on your face with a response
+your circumcised dick, right?
+--- 21957400
+>>21957368
+Fiddy shades would not have reached the same amount of success, nor the same audience level without traditional publishing….and it ended up being traditionally published wow big shocker very surprise, many impress.
+
+>>21957371
+You are partially correct. Partially. 
+Trailer trash is nothing, and not what I mean when referring to commercial success. It’s commercially viable, but it is not on the same level hunger games, Harry Potter, gentleman bastards, etc. Fuck not even on the same level as KSBD. Nor as big as the Martian. Whomp whomp. On top of that serialized web fiction is by definition a different medium than traditional publishing. 
+
+But if you’ve ever paid attention to my fucking praddlings over the years, you would know that you are fucking correct as shit when it comes to the fact that you need to build an audience before getting published now. It’s what separates people from the crowd, and wether you self publish first, do serialized web fiction, or just have a large Twitter following, it’s what needed nowadays to get published. It’s one of the few metrics which is followed to some degree
+--- 21957406
+>>21957388
+aww man guess the pro gamers are sexist. You should start an all female league team. 
+
+>>21957394
+Stay unpublished.
+--- 21957413
+I notice you didn't say anything about Colleen Hoover, you clownshoes jew. go suck a little yidlings freshly cut dick. thank god online publishing has made you irrelevant
+--- 21957415
+>>21957400
+I think the thing about western tradpub that actually makes me completely abandon the idea of going that route is the contrast it has to eastern markets.
+
+You know what happens to successful webnovels in China, Japan, Korea? They get picked up as Light Novels, adapted to comics. More success, and they get adapted to animation, or live dramas, or both.
+
+You will NEVER see this happen in the west outside of insane outliers like Martian or Metro or that dogshit tiktok book that krimsonrogue tore apart recently. Even then the author's sister is an industry insider.
+--- 21957463
+>>21957302
+Is sending short stories to magazines still a viable way to make some pocket change?
+--- 21957475
+>>21957415
+I’m not sure I agree. It’s happened in western traditional publishing, it’s just not found the same degree of success. KSBD, OJST, LOO and a myriad of others have found some success, and they are “outsiders”. I’d argue the fact that most published work requires authors to have some start online now shows that successful series will find footholds in traditional publishing, it’s just that they have yet to find the same level of success that traditional publish has.
+
+The reason is…unclear at the moment. It’s an interesting debate. Some argue that online web literature has too much of a narrow scope and is formed to fit a niche by need, and as a result will never reach the large audience as some broad appeal is needed. Others have argued that long format web content cannot be adapted to fit various other mediums which causes lack of reach (this is retarded, by the by.) I’ve seen some good arguments however that the movie industry refuses to take chances on web media however, which would limit its reach that way. I think contracts play a large part in it too though, look at wattpad.
+
+The point is it’s a whole ass debate. I submit to you however, good luck being published easternly. The pol nuts think it’s bad here, hooo boy. 
+
+Speaking of. Colleen Hoover who?
+--- 21957476
+Magic is real as all is abstract.
+Every thought is infinitely abstract.
+Every thought is a soul/love.
+
+The only god/power/motive is love.
+--- 21957482
+>>21957463
+To make pocket change? Absolutely not. Especially since some magazines will even charge you to publish with them/enter into the pool. 
+
+However, it is worth doing for exposure reasons, networking reasons, and obviously showing you can work with an editor/publisher. Plus it shows your involved in the industry. That’s looked at favourably. 
+
+Combine it with some form of social media and you’ve got a good start.
+--- 21957483
+>>21957475
+>good luck being published easternly
+I don't plan to, I don't speak gook or chink or jap or BTS
+I'm just gonna stick to the ol' webfic Patreon grind
+--- 21957487
+>>21957463
+Oh and thank you for an actual question that isn’t just some seething level copium. 
+
+I’ll add that if you love doing short stories, look into doing a chapbook, and look for a chapbook publisher. Same thing as a mag, but also provides a good amount of street cred publishing wise.
+--- 21957495
+>>21957482
+I was speaking of the ones where they pay you for submissions, such as publishers like Apex Magazine or Clarkesworld, since I mostly write pulp and fantasy. George R. R. Martin was a prolific short story writer for 20 years, and he still managed to live a somewhat comfy life before his big break.
+--- 21957501
+>>21957487
+Anyways, I thank you for the suggestion and for taking the time to answer any of my questions; since I assume that everything involving the process of submission and publishing must seem inconceivably droll to you now.
+--- 21957502
+>>21957475
+What are your thoughts on an idea of mine.
+I have a webnovel that once I finish what I would consider my first book, I would like to make a novel appropriate form of the story, and then either self publish, or, if my following becomes sizeable enough, try to get it traditionally published.
+Right now my story is over 400k words, but I think I could skip past a lot of things and just make callbacks to explain the characters and world so that it could be read by someone who has never read my webnovel version. Part of this is because I am somewhat writing from only a loose outline of my plot and it is my first project so some of what I've written is a result of wanting to explore the character and the logical path taken to reach where they end up.
+There is a story I've read most of called Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons, which split the story into books and sells them selfpub through amazon. But it is literally just the webnovel in print and I don't see it actually fitting well.
+--- 21957518
+>>21957502
+>There is a story I've read most of called Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons
+Oh god, your going to shit out yet more PC filler trash aren't you.
+--- 21957521
+>>21957495
+>>21957501
+You’re good. Apex magazine pays surprisingly well, especially the podcast feature payout too. 
+
+I’d say if your trying to make a living off of only short story publishing, as I say with most things, don’t quit your day job. Takes a mixture of skill, luck and opportunity for these kinds of things to work out, so don’t jump into the deep end without a life jacket. 
+
+The key to making a living off it however, would be submitting everywhere. You would need multiple short stories in multiple magazines to keep yourself afloat. As an example, apex there publishes a magazine once every two months it looks like, which means 6 opportunities for payouts. So you need to have stories in other magazines to keep cash flowing.
+
+If you are new to this, and important thing to keep in mind is that you should only submit one story to each magazine at a time. You can’t send your one story to five publishers at once. It has to be one story, one publisher, and then move onto the next if you get rejected. This would mean you need multiple stories on the go. Also make sure to follow their submission instructions to a T. Don’t get disqualified because you forgot to dot your I’s. Also you are going to get a lot of no’s. Do not be discouraged, this is standard and you can’t take it personally. 
+
+And no worries, honestly. I show up in these threads (usually drunk) specifically to help people get a start. The process of submissions and publishing are the bread and butter.
+--- 21957536
+>>21957518
+I didn't really care that much for the story in all honesty. I just used it as an example of a story that I know of which published their webnovel in a print format. And I don't know what you mean by PC filler, but I'm guessing you mean because it is stupidly long and thus the files fill up the PC. Or, you mean politically correct, which I can understand as sometimes the story did come off as preachy to me. Anyway, I dropped the story because the author seemed more enamored by shaking up the status quo than actually making a story. Once they left the main nation that the story took place in, it barely felt like I was reading the same thing anymore and it never really recovered. One thing that I do not want to become, is an author who can't let a story die. I have three endings planned out but until I reach the final one, I could keep doing more with my setting, but I'd rather not. I have an idea for a second story, one which is completely unrelated, and I want to write that eventually, but I just don't have anything more than the premise and so it isn't actually anything but a fart in the wind.
+--- 21957539
+>>21957521
+Thank you. If you will suffer me just a little longer, I have one last question.
+
+Do you think it is still possible to be a relatively unknown person as an author like Pynchon, or to write something as a pen name and never have your actual face nor features known by any save for your friends? If the latter is not possible, then I wonder how feasible the pen name still is.
+--- 21957542
+>>21957379
+This is legit crippling. It makes everything feel so futile. A sick joke. How the fuck do you muster the will to write seriously, when there are people getting rich by writing shitty pretend-video games?
+--- 21957545
+>>21957502
+I think you’ve got an interesting idea. And again, building a base before traditional publishing is a really good idea. 
+
+I think the biggest caveat to consider is that a web novel and a traditional novel are two different mediums, especially considering your web novel has 400k words. (Split the difference and say your average novel has 100,000 words, you nearly have four books worth.) if/when you adapt to a traditional novel you either have to adapt the works so that 1/4th of your web novel fits neatly into a regular book, (with all the hallmarks of a satisfying conclusion of a first novel). Or you will have to adapt your work to the novel format which means you will essentially be writing it from the ground up again. (You could edit what you have down, but that will take some time and skill.) 
+
+And interesting idea might be to have your main web novel be its own series, and then write another new novel, with the same protagonist/world but going on a different adventure.
+
+
+As for self publishing. I’m usually against it, especially if you already have a following for your webnovel. But if you do go for it, avoid anything where you pay for it to be published. And be prepared to market yourself.
+--- 21957546
+>>21957542
+two different perspectives 
+there are people getting rich by writing shitty pretend-video games, of course I can get rich writing
+--- 21957553
+>>21956758
+>It takes me an hour to an hour and a half to write just 500 words
+That's approximately 0.18 words per minute. The average writing speed for adults is 40-50 words per minute. In other words, you spent most of the time just sitting there, doing nothing. If you actually wrote, 2000 words per day would be easy.
+--- 21957557
+>>21957553
+>thinking what to write actually takes up the most time "writing"
+GEE NO SHIT
+--- 21957558
+>>21957546
+No one cares if it doesn't have *bing* *bing* wahoo level up! and time loops.
+--- 21957561
+>>21957557
+Then it's not writing that takes time, it's your lack of a brain. It's not an activity for idiots.
+--- 21957564
+>>21957558
+I was already going to write fantasy or cyberpunk of some sort
+stapling on a superficial litrpg system that does nothing to affect the world, rather only describes the character's progression is not just easy, it's been done before
+--- 21957568
+>>21957539
+That is a very good question with an unclear answer.
+
+Old heads argue no, and don’t see the reason as to why you would want to hide your name/face anyways. Plus book signings are a cornerstone of marketing. But this mostly is because they are out of touch boomers who lack the understanding of the horrors of the modern world. New heads argue the same thing just opposite direction, as social media presence, parasocial relationships and personal branding is practically a must in this day and age. Besides who wouldn’t want to be famous?
+
+BUT
+
+There are still authors with pen names, who do find success. But they often already have a strong network or good online presence. But more importantly avatar/virtual entertainment is rising and proving successful in other entertainment areas, and I think that success would be found here in the literature world too. You would still need a social media and a following. But its possible it can be done via an avatar or virtual character. How seriously you would be taken is unknown. 
+
+It has happened much yet, but I think it’s viable. If you want to be safe, go the pen name route with maybe an AI generated face. Which that btw a hasn’t even been discussed yet. But should work just fine. Avatar stuff is unknown so if you want to play it safe don’t use that yet.
+
+I hope all that makes sense, I’m becoming less coherent
+--- 21957570
+>>21957568
+just do the socmed shit but do it as a persona rather than using your real name
+--- 21957571
+>>21957564
+>I was already going to write fantasy or cyberpunk of some sort
+I was talking about serious writing here. Please don't (you) me ever again
+--- 21957574
+>>21957571
+nobody wants to read litfic
+not even those who masturbate about how high brow it is
+they just want to be able to say they've read litfic
+
+and you, my friend, don't have the luxury of being an 18th-century scholar
+--- 21957589
+>>21957574
+i feel like the mistake that writers make here is thinking that genre fiction can't talk about the human condition. 99% of readers will go to genre because it has the tropes that are familiar to them. all you need is to put your own spin on it and then you've made something soulful that readers will remember
+--- 21957595
+>>21957589
+100% this
+dumb anons automatically think all genrefic has to be schlock supreme, and that unashamed schlock can't be profound or have profound moments
+
+no, it has to be ulysses all the way through because nothing less will get my intellicock hard enough to psionically fuck my own ass
+--- 21957598
+>>21957384
+KEK, you're a retard, but I will add to your black sermon: in the publishing industry, men still have an advantage in that women fucking hate each other and do not hesitate to destroy one or the other's career, should any of them toe the (generally arbitrary, social media-made) line. Though I am sure they would destroy a man's career, they don't do it with the particular glee that they do when it's female vs. female. So, men can slip under the radar, more often than not, if they aren't idiots.
+--- 21957609
+>>21957598
+You need to be like, not a child to post here.
+--- 21957623
+>>21957536
+as long as the mc doesnt stay 'weak' for a hundred + chapters and there isnt a prison arc or tranny/furry shit, count me in!
+--- 21957625
+>>21957536
+What story was this? I like fics that go around the world.
+--- 21957628
+>>21957589
+It can speak to the human condition--so long as the writer stays within the box placed around him by genre readers, genre agents, and genre publishers. But genre cannot and never will reach the sublime.
+--- 21957631
+>>21957628
+no matter how "le sublime" your dollarstore finnegan's wake is, it means nothing if nobody reads it
+--- 21957632
+>>21957609
+"...like, not a child..." Feminine hands wrote this.
+--- 21957633
+>>21956758
+2000 words a day is easy as fuck.
+
+Getting someone to read your book? MUCH harder.
+--- 21957634
+>>21957631
+And yet, what do you know, people read Finnegan's Wake and it is studied in academia. kek. Go to bed anon you drunk fuck.
+--- 21957636
+>>21957634
+And nobody will read yours, even if it magically matches the original, because nobody would read or publish Finnegan's Wake if it were written today or ten years ago
+(yours won't be even 1/20 the quality, it'll be hyper-obtuse reader-hostile schizo ramblings)
+--- 21957641
+>it's another litfic vs. genrefic shitflinging episode on /wg/
+who even gives a shit?
+it's not like litfic fags ever release anything and genrefic fags never post excerpts because litfic fags always seethe about it
+--- 21957643
+>>21957636
+I never claimed my work is any good at all. Nor do I wish to write like Joyce. But even if I did, it doesn't change the fact that genre will never achieve the sublime.
+--- 21957644
+>>21957545
+I think editing down my story would be nearly impossible, and anything that comes out of such a project would be so heavily changed that rewriting it from the start would be easier.
+I intend to use the settings, characters, and plot, of that story.
+Does the reader need to go through the years of his mental unwellness and the cause of this? No, these are things that I enjoy writing about and they flesh out the story, but in the grand scheme, I think that readers can understand these parts of him with a few lines i.e since he has a history of violence, people are afraid of him, but he makes some other choice like comforting a child.
+Then, have him actually do something incredibly violent, to show that those rumors have a basis in reality.
+I think that I can get across his biggest trait, which is a contradiction in how the world views him, what he does, and what he wants to do.
+People don't need to read the full backstory of how he made friends, they just need to see the characters interact in a way that shows how deep their bonds are.
+
+I agree about self-publishing, though it is more of a pride thing for me, anyone can selfpub, but, if I can get traditionally published then I would feel like I've accomplished something beyond whatever I end up making on patreon.
+
+Now, about making more stories in the world as a side series, that sorta goes into an idea I've had kicking around my head, but is so far off that I don't even want to think of writing it.
+A story which takes place in such a far future from the current story that it would seem to be a different world on the surface, but references would reveal the connection and make people wonder how things have changed in such huge ways.
+I don't really care that much for the idea, but I find it interesting as a writing exercise to think of how the current actions might reverberate through time.
+--- 21957646
+>>21957641
+I mean it is a rare fool who would doxx themselves just to win a schizo argument on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.
+--- 21957649
+>>21957625
+Beneath The Dragon Eye Moons like the post before mentioned.
+>It has an interesting magic system with a woke panzy ass female MC who makes a stupid binding vow of non violence and mary sues her way through everything.
+--- 21957650
+>>21957646
+no I mean that litfic fags never release anything
+at all
+we have what, one guy who released a litfic book, and it's K.K. Wing, emily project anon
+--- 21957671
+>>21957625
+https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/36299/beneath-the-dragoneye-moons
+>>21957623
+I worried at first about my character growing too quickly, but I realized that the factors at play make it sensible and it further drives home how he is a monster to most people inwardly and outwardly.
+But, I must admit, I do have anthropomorphic animal people. I like them, and I have avoided making anything sexual about them. I know that furfags have poisoned the well on animal people, and I hate them for it.
+And, while it is not a prison in the sense that my character has to watch out for dropping the soup, he does end up detained early on in a facility for children who've either been cursed by Fae. He only spends about 10 chapters here, but it is an important part of his character as it is part of his fearing the loss of control over his own life.
+>>21957649
+This is one of the issues I have with the story.
+>Oh, thing just happened?
+>Now the system can give her the power she needs for this situation and then gets thrown away.
+It also has the problem of making the new threat stronger than the old threat. You can't have her get hurt by an ambush anymore because she is damn near unkillable and the in world stats means
+>Oh no, the gribblesnasher is level 4000, I can only flee.
+She is a walking god, but the most boring kind you can imagine, and they had to warp the entire story once she got too strong because it relies too much on powerlevel wankery.
+--- 21957675
+>>21957671
+Furfags, I suspect, are one of the reasons I instinctively avoid having furred animal people in my stories. It's always varieties of lizards and bugmen.
+--- 21957683
+>>21957589
+100% of writers will go to genre because they have nothing to say about the human condition and big thinks hurty their brain.
+--- 21957684
+>>21957675
+Funny enough, I don't have any lizard or bugmen in my story.
+I thought about it, but I really don't want a couple dozen species of non-humans wondering around. I have enough as it is.
+I also wanted orcs, but I don't really want people, but green and dumb, so instead they all have magically induced insanity that makes them not classed as people.
+However, I intend my main character, as he changes himself through transformation magic, to take on a somewhat bug-like appearance because he gives himself an exoskeleton and a lanky bodytype, since I like those kinds of designs.
+--- 21957715
+>>21957671
+You don't even know just how relieved I was when I asked what my readers thought of my power level handling and they kept comparing it to shit like Hunter x Hunter and saying they liked how my characters got stronger mostly through new tools rather than brute power

lit/21953566.txt

@@ -7,3 +7,50 @@ He doesn't care about books anymore. TV is more important to him.
 --- 21953705
 >>21953566 (OP)
 He was never a literary man
+--- 21954005
+>>21953566 (OP)
+I want to know what happens with the goddamn Alchemist
+--- 21954515
+Imagine the smell
+--- 21954544
+>>21953566 (OP)
+The reception of S8 scared the shit out of him. D&D were allegedly working off of his guideline after all, even if they shit the bed by rushing everything. Bro is just going to keep telling everyone, "I'm working on it," while continuing to write unrelated video games and TV until he drops dead of a heart attack. Then it'll be Brandon Sanderson's problem.
+--- 21954772
+>>21954544
+They were working off a very basic and vague set of guidelines but were otherwise making shit up and pulling it out of their ass. iirc GRRM became dissatisfied and essentially washed his hands of the show after watching D&D shit on his work. Serves him right though, considering he hired that pair of monkeys because he liked their answer to who were Jon's parents. ( omg they figured it out they must be really smart )
+--- 21954809
+>>21954544
+no way the mormon bradon "never written a sex scene" sanderson can finish asoiaf.
+--- 21954847
+>>21953566 (OP)
+Thoroughly studying what Tad Williams is doing so he can rip him off further
+--- 21954997
+>>21953566 (OP)
+He's rich and doesn't care anymore. People like you are the shit on his shoes.
+--- 21955117
+>>21954544
+brandon doesn't have the skill to finish it. His style is atrocious
+--- 21955178
+Is house of the dragon good?
+--- 21955695
+>>21955178
+Yeah.
+--- 21956071
+>>21955178
+fire and blood isn't
+--- 21956076
+>>21955178
+Read the Fire and Blood book, the serie just butcher the characters and the plot
+--- 21956094
+>>21953566 (OP)
+>the more she drunk the more she shat
+>by the time it was noon she was shitting brown water
+--- 21956140
+>>21955178
+It's nothing to write home about other than the fact they somehow took something as insipid and devoid of quality as Fire and Blood and turned it into a story that has any sort of thematic resonance.
+--- 21956271
+>>21953566 (OP)
+He's thinking about fat pink masts jutting into myrish swamps while nuncle japes and groans like a fat man taking a shot while he breaks his fast on bacon burnt black and grease drips down his chin onto the nipples of his breastplate while he listens to the serving wench shitting brown water in the privy as she guzzels arbor gold but the more she drinks the more she shits and prays to the maiden but doesn't she knows words are wind my sweet summer child?
+--- 21957015
+>>21956271
+never gets old, sweet sister

lit/21953567.txt

@@ -51,3 +51,1203 @@ They don't understand human socialising. There's a reason a lot of them are diag
 --- 21953748
 >>21953743
 isn't attraction innate what does it have to do with socialising
+--- 21953780
+>>21953748
+>isn't attraction innate
+Completely innate? No. It's shaped by many things, both internally and externally over the course of life.
+--- 21953857
+>>21953567 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neUEg59XQew [Embed]
+--- 21953895
+>>21953722
+Being good, means being honest and being honest usually lead to conflict.
+--- 21953914
+>>21953567 (OP)
+Mortimer J. Adler or Seymour Papert?
+--- 21953922
+>>21953567 (OP)
+they're trying to make shitposting illegal. they're gonna criminalize being silly online. the watchful eye of big brother forms a pervasive fuckin atmosphere that constrains my posts
+--- 21953935
+>>21953922
+Speaking of which, I want someone to explain how these posts exist. How is it possible that in September 2019 someone typed and submitted these posts? Is this not direct proof of the entire thing being planned and a charade?
+--- 21953940
+>>21953935
+>Sweden
+>Sweden Yes
+
+hmmm....
+--- 21953951
+>>21953940
+>astrazeneca
+>pfizer
+indeed
+--- 21953953
+>>21953935
+library of babel
+--- 21953975
+>>21953935
+they got the place of origin wrong and also dramatically overestimated the virus death toll
+--- 21954058
+dude i just had a fucked up dream. i dreamt i was back in college and my senior thesis was gonna be due soon, and somehow i submitted a proposal to write about hegel's phenomenology of spirit, idk i think hegel sucks ass irl, and i was slacking off on it of course planning to phone it in at the last minute like i do everything in school, but then i was struck by vanity and realized if i write a shitty final paper on hegel people will think i'm a dumb ass, but i started to panic cuz i can't do phenomenology of spirit justice in like the week that was left. i went to the bookstore to at least by a copy and to my surprise the nice copy they were selling at the university bookstore was way better than the signet classics version i had had when i was younger. as i flipped through it, it turned out phenomenology of spirit is an epistolary travelogue of hegel's time in 1960s london and it had a bunch of color photos of mod parties with people like twiggy or whatever and i was like woah this is waaay different than i remember, coool! a bunch of other stuff happened that i already forgot, but yeah, that was the main part. 
+
+i think it was a result of debating whether to get the signet classics version of complete sophocles which is probably some bad public domain translation from 100 years ago or a new more expensive edition by some academic dickheads.
+--- 21954108
+>>21953935
+he said what will happen with the vaccines?. what kind of illness make and how long does it take to attack?.
+--- 21954133
+I’ve had a boring life. I fucked things up.
+--- 21954155
+What’s the best book that talks about suicide?
+--- 21954165
+I don't know if I am getting older, lowering standards, both, or what, but lately "sexy" is the same as someone being attractive to me. 
+A person being physically attractive or not is basically geometry, its just planes and angles. 
+Sexy is more like a feeling, its instinct, its animal. Its like a "fuck me" aura a person has or doesn't. 
+
+Preferably you want a partner who has both, but there are times when I have seen groups of girls and one of them just has this aura where you know they are a hell of a fuck, even if they aren't the prettiest. And, occasionally, you meet a pretty person who has a an anemic presence, nice cheekbones but no energy to them.
+--- 21954167
+>>21954155
+Persuasion and Rhetoric
+--- 21954169
+>>21954165
+looks fade. I choose interesting person over attractive.
+--- 21954184
+>>21954165
+Plowing a supermodel who is starfishing will always be less satisfying than fucking an average looking woman who lusts for you.
+--- 21954206
+I think I've outgrown my friends, or drifted or whatever. They are all so closed to new experiences and quite hostile to anyone not in the "group". It's unpleasant to be around.
+--- 21954241
+>>21954206
+i had this situation
+>get into group (they were friends with each other before my arrival)
+>we play games together
+>kinda drift off from each other due them becoming dads
+>get together on rare occasions
+>they know that I play that game 
+>see that they bought it too
+>we never play it together
+>subtly drop hints that I know the whole situation
+>they dont say anything
+>eventually cut my ties with it as I was clearly a persona non grata there
+--- 21954308
+>>21954167
+I’ve read that…
+--- 21954315
+How do you cope with wasting your life? I’m looking for advice from 30-something NEETs.
+--- 21954317
+Went into the city for the first time in a month. Bought Essays in Idleness by Chomei. Needed a calender but they didn't have any. Only an expensive hardcover one. Girl at the counter tried to do smalltalk and ask me about the book. I told her I read the English translation of it some years ago. I entered an essay competition. I dropped out of it because I found out someone had just done a translation in our language. It annoyed me. I told her this and it was obvious that she didn't know how to respond to that. I manually breathed and manually walked out of there after paying. Then I had a cortado and a croissant. It was okay.
+--- 21954340
+Well, you can't make a record if you ain't got nothing to say
+You can't make a record if you ain't got nothing to say
+You can't play music if you don't know nothing to play
+--- 21954354
+>>21954317
+>Needed a calender but they didn't have any
+
+Anon it's almost May
+--- 21954355
+What can I do about my zoomer college student brother? He’s making all of the mistakes I made at his age. He’s unmotivated, isn’t interested in his studies, and he spends all of his time scrolling on TikTok. For me, it was video games. Things would’ve been so much better for me if I just had discipline and tried in school despite my lack of interest, and if I spent my free time reading instead of gaming. I don’t want him to reach 30 and realize he wasted his life like I did.
+--- 21954361
+>>21954354
+Hey, at least I got it 40% off.
+--- 21954405
+>>21954355
+I guess the most you can do is explain to him in as much detail why the way he is acting is bad. Don't be vague. Don't just say "it'll be hard to get a job." He probably already knows that, like you knew it. Explain why it'll be hard to get a job, explain why having a job even matters and while he will care about it later even if he doesn't know. You can't guarantee he will listen, but your best hope is that a small part goes into his brain and he wakes up from his stupor sooner rather than later.
+--- 21954434
+>>21954405
+It’s not even the job that’s a concern. I don’t want him to feel like he’s wasted his life like I did. You know, when I look back I realize I could’ve lived in poverty and been unemployed but if I felt like if I was doing something with my life, learning, growing then I would be happy. I got stuck and that’s what bothers me. I can’t tel you how much it bothers me. I’ve realized that you don’t need to be successful when you’re young, but you do need to be dynamic, going places, doing something with your life. My biggest regret is staying in place and stagnating too long, and a major reason for that is feeling defeated in school, procrastinating on video games and 4channel, all that. I’m depressed. I don’t want him to feel the same.
+--- 21954441
+>>21954315
+I dont have a cope.
+t. NEET in 30s
+--- 21954464
+>>21953914
+no answer?
+--- 21954481
+>>21954464
+also vote in my poll
+
+https://strawpoll.com/polls/wAg3Awzwoy8/results
+--- 21954484
+>>21954315
+>doing what you want instead of engaging in some sort of autistic scorekeeping game society wants you to keep up with
+When you realize that the majority of society only wants things because they want complete strangers to think well of them, you realize that most of what society demands of you is 100% retarded. Sure, society does have good ideals that it reinforces, but the main one that most people seem to obsess over is what you do for a living and how much you make. Both of those things have literally nothing to do with who you are and if you are unhappy while doing it, why continue doing it? Why would women and governments freak out and start screaming when men start to reject this idea that a man destroys himself for little or nothing in return to keep an economic engine that does not serve him running? Its because most people in the world are parasitical, not on purpose, but they have become accustomed to such a luxurious lifestyle that they are unaware of how parasitical they are as a whole.
+Ultimately, if you find a job you want to do and your living a lifestyle you want to live, I won't stop you at all. But one had giveth and the other doth receive, so be aware of what choices you are making and what you are sacrificing for those decisions. It is way worse to hit your 30s and realize you scarified things you didn't want to sacrifice for a lifestyle that you care nothing about than to be in your 30s and considered a "loser" by societal standards but live on your own terms. So I ask you, what matters more to you in the end? Your opinion of yourself? Or other people's opinions of you?
+--- 21954507
+>>21954484
+not that anon but I fell through the cracks of society into the abyss. I wasnt able to carve my path nor return to society.
+--- 21954529
+>>21954484
+I agree completely, but just because you didn’t join the get a degree, move to the city, get the promotion rat race doesn’t mean you don’t regret whatever you did do. Depending on what you want, having been static and stagnant can be far worse than joining the rat race imo.
+--- 21954545
+>>21954507
+That’s how I feel too.
+--- 21954604
+>>21954484
+I’m glad I didn’t give my whole life to the rat race. My first job after college was very much a rat race job. I left at exactly the 1 year mark and I never regretted it. But then I ended up retreating back to something that was comfortable so I also feel like I’ve still wasted my time, just in a less rat racey my way. I don’t really have anything to show for my opting out of the rat race.
+--- 21954638
+Work is boring and slow in the office but then again I do get to read a lot.
+I would probably kill myself if I had to do this for 10 years. If you can do this shit for so long you’re a born slave. More so than the people who do physical work. 100%
+--- 21954663
+I should have been a philologist.
+--- 21954666
+>>21954507
+To quote Scruoobius Pip: "The system might fail you, but don't fail yourself and get better, get better, get better, get better."
+--- 21954667
+>>21954507
+same
+--- 21954669
+>>21954666
+forgot song, F
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEitrZU-nCw [Embed]
+--- 21954677
+>>21954669
+wtf is this millennial shit
+--- 21954680
+He was shucking and jiving. Shucking like an oyster and jiving like a nigger. Niggers are quite similar to bottom feeders, in some ways.
+--- 21954684
+>>21954677
+unironically better than anything currently on the charts if you ask me, but there are other artists that say the same thing and package it in a way that is more suitable for you if you still capable of cringing at this point.
+--- 21954691
+>>21954677
+>>21954684
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1wRcOUQd_c [Embed]
+different song, same idea.
+--- 21954692
+New guy at work showed me a snapchat video of his baby and I saw a child for a second that looked mixed and was like oh he's dating a native bitch, but then the camera showed the girlfriend and she's white. Think this guy got cheated on and doesn't know it, real Dale situation going on
+--- 21954704
+>>21954692
+tale of the simp, he either knows and never brought it up or he forgave her. Either way building a rod for his own back. If he tries to leave he might be fucked, there's a lot of states that will make him the legal father, even if he isn't because he provided childcare for little than a month.
+--- 21954725
+>>21954692
+Should’ve called it out for laughs
+--- 21954736
+Does anyone else feel like they took a hit to their confidence in college or early career and never recovered?
+--- 21954742
+I really haven’t been happy in 10 years.
+--- 21954765
+Unable to engage in authentic participation in the political system, politics has been sublimated into a garish form of consumerist entertainment. For those not directly impacted the world's problems are a source of amusement, and the anger and controversy and argument they generate online an idle pastime. Bread and games have acquired a new meaning. No longer a diversion from social problems, the problems themselves have been gamified and appetized . Vicarious online voyeurism is cultural cannibalism and an expression of powerlessness and learned passivity abetted and encouraged by algorithmic capitalism. Outrage itself has been commodified.
+--- 21954770
+I hate my job. I hate where I live. I hate my personality. I hate my past. I hate my present. I hate how little I have to feel positive about. I hate everything. 
+
+I feel like I’m getting close to letting go.
+--- 21954773
+>>21954765
+>No longer a diversion from social problems, the problems themselves have been gamified and appetized .
+And by doing so those in power cleverly disarm the gawking populace, who are incentivized to not spoil their own fun by organizing to demand solutions
+--- 21954774
+>>21954725
+Going to try and see another picture then I will
+--- 21954808
+It’s wild how one wrong education or career move can just ruin everything forever.
+--- 21954815
+>>21953722
+thank you for writing a sincere and thoughtful reply. I wish I could see more of those.
+--- 21954844
+Sometimes I feel like my brother ruined my life. It was almost like having a child.
+--- 21954854
+>>21954770
+I hate my job, all of my rich friends
+I hate everyone to the bitter end
+Nothing turns out right, there's no end in sight
+I hate my life
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfnAOcBirAs [Embed]
+--- 21954868
+Is an MFA worth it? I need to identify something to do for the rest of my career, but I don’t really envision myself doing anything else.
+--- 21954873
+The guy mentioning how he'd go weeks at a time without any screens has really made a massive impression on me and I can't stop thinking about it.
+--- 21954945
+drinking again
+--- 21954969
+>>21954945
+good, keep it up
+--- 21954988
+I have no life. I have no job. I have no identity. How long could I susbsist on nothing?
+--- 21954991
+>>21954873
+That was me. Just ditch the screens for a while if you want to.
+--- 21954998
+>>21954969
+I dont want to
+--- 21955002
+Sometimes i sit in a public space in hopes of a chance encounter. In my daydreams it's usually a girl whom I begin a romance with, but jusy about always it's a lonely old person or a homeless person. Today an old man approached with his beast of a dog, a giant schnauser. He tricked me into a conversation but desu I was okay with it because I'm probably more lonely than he is. He did the usual old man ramblings about the days of his youth and told me about how things have changed. He had a flannel shirt tucked into his blue jeans and a cowboy hat on. That of course was framed against the obese latinas woth pink hair in the background. His schnauser syarted getting aggressive so it was time to leave. That auld one has no control over that dog.
+--- 21955004
+>>21954736
+I took a huge hit but I've been putting in a ton of work to recover it. Its hard and slow going but Ive held onto hope
+--- 21955010
+Sitting behind your work pc pretending to do something is fucking awful.
+Unironically preferred working in the dirt over this.
+I just wish that my millionaire dad released me from this torture and buys me a house so I can work less
+--- 21955026
+>>21953567 (OP)
+Are there any kinos that you would describe as “pure sovl”?
+--- 21955031
+>>21955026
+Stepbrothers and Dumb and Dumberer
+--- 21955032
+>>21954991
+I do, but I also am kinda interested in the sociological impact of people that are like this.
+The "neoLuddite" as a lived experience seems a lot less spoken about than as a ideological position.
+--- 21955050
+>>21955032
+Probably because it doesn’t last. Eventually you come back to modernity and the addiction to the screen starts all over again. The only way out is to drop out entirely, which is a financial issue obviously. 
+
+I think a truly insane amount of people are burnt out on tech and if they could stay within the context of civilization and abandon their tech, they would, but they also rightly intuit that they can’t.
+--- 21955057
+> I think a truly insane amount of people are burnt out on tech and if they could stay within the context of civilization and abandon their tech, they would, but they also rightly intuit that they can’t.
+It's super easy, delete all social media and the amount of time you spend on social media drops to zero.
+--- 21955073
+>>21954808
+Yeah lifes a bitch man, but I wouldnt say ruin everything. It certainly made my life way shittier but I still have a chance to make it
+--- 21955074
+I firmly believe that the next great ideology that will come to dominate the world will be Reverse Religions. That is, religions with the traditions and text interpreted and read in reverse order and meaning.
+
+I also believe that Reversism will spread unchallenged across human culture, and that we will have Reverse Philosophy (where a book tries to create more questions), Reverse Science (where the ignorance is constantly increasing) and Reverse Art (where beauty will increasingly be exemplified by older, more primitive forms). Some of this has already had some forerunners, but I believe that Reversism is the future
+--- 21955082
+>>21955050
+Exactly. I've got this theory that, were it actually feasible, society would split and you'd have the "high tech" and "low tech" groups and they'll live totally unconnected lives.
+But even something like banking now requires apps and all sorts of other things which mean that people can only ever "detox" and not actually entirely leave the plantation.
+--- 21955083
+>>21954998
+don't be a quitter 
+winners never quit and quitters never win
+--- 21955089
+>>21954998
+Drink alcohol free then, dummy
+--- 21955094
+>>21954133
+>>21954165
+>>21954206
+>>21954507
+>>21954736
+>>21954770
+>>21954808
+>>21954844
+>>21954945
+So many of you are literally me
+--- 21955101
+>>21955082
+Tech amplifies power. So if it’s really true that humans are trapped in competing over resources then it’s unlikely that there’s an obvious solution. Oswald Spengler implied that one day the priest of the machine, the engineer, would “detect the satanism in the machine” and we’d turn away from it. But he thought tech was a western thing. He thought that if westerners turned away from tech, non-westerners would by default too.
+--- 21955134
+>>21955094
+this is ultimate literally me
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCMSrvOTAo [Embed]
+--- 21955161
+Shit I forgot to print my ticket. Too retarded to live.
+--- 21955175
+>>21955089
+I need alcohol to sleep.
+--- 21955196
+>>21955026
+The Tall T
+--- 21955201
+>>21955101
+It's something I've been thinking about a lot, and I wish there was a simple answer. I suppose there's also the element that it is a reactive position rather than a proactive one, and it's so against "progress" that people immediately have a cultural push-back response to it.
+--- 21955209
+>>21955134
+Are you literally autistic
+--- 21955216
+>>21955209
+why?
+--- 21955221
+Recently every time I drinks something hot I feel really awesome
+I need to figure out a system in which I just drink something boiling hot every 10-15 minutes.
+--- 21955234
+Sorry fools, don't you know, carousel go row and row. Holocaust, no what is that? Nazis kill the Jewish rat.
+--- 21955248
+>>21955074
+You're partly correct. Except it's not opposite, it's the second half of the religion.
+--- 21955254
+>>21955101
+>Tech amplifies power.
+Correlation doesn't equal causation, man
+--- 21955311
+>>21955134
+I was that at one point
+--- 21955314
+>>21955311
+did you manage to make it?
+--- 21955342
+>>21954692
+Giving women autonomy was a goddamn mistake
+--- 21955368
+>>21955342
+No, celebrity culture was a mistake. We now revere those fuckers as literal mini gods, even though they're basically parasites. 
+
+Honestly, celebrities may be the only people on earth where we can question whether human rights apply to them. They do so much damage to society, and are so alien in their worldview, that categorizing them as human is genuinely hard
+--- 21955377
+>>21955254
+I hope I’ll see you on the drag strip with your horse and buggy then.
+--- 21955378
+>>21955201
+I think he chose the word “satanism” intentionally. I’m seeing it happen now. People are noticing that there’s something spiritually and morally wrong with the tech-world we built.
+--- 21955380
+>>21953567 (OP)
+I've spent so much time on work and all the bullshit drama, that I can barely even think to write anything anymore. Christ, writing use to be my favorite thing in the world and I thought I would never get tired of it, that I would always have that spark of creativity inside my head to jump start a story right off the bat. But work fucked everything up and now my attention and energy are wasted on it. I have to force myself to write SOMETHING otherwise I feel like i'm going to lose the ability if I haven't already
+--- 21955388
+>>21954484
+>bro just abandon everything and stop trying to get a better situation, you'll be comfortable!
+--- 21955432
+>>21955388
+>I didn't read the whole post: the post
+hah, funny cause your on /lit/. I dread to think what ideas have been warped by your poor reading comprehension.
+--- 21955480
+When i'm reading a novel it seems like writing isn't THAT hard but when i'm actually trying to write something, it's so hard to make it not look like shit
+--- 21955483
+>>21955378
+I agree. But it's easy to see why people would turn their nose up at, essentially, "God said I can't have a smart phone."
+
+I suppose another issue would be that if people DID elect to live in a less technological way, we'd never really know because it's not like they'd have a youtube channel.
+--- 21955492
+Life be bussin
+--- 21955535
+Wish they knew I tried as hard as possible to convince the boss to hire him again fuck it man.
+--- 21955537
+We both got fired you where even the last person to work with them ha. Starting up again atleast heres hoping round 2 works
+--- 21955542
+I have a hard time getting entertainment out of my life so I can focus on reading. Any suggestions?
+--- 21955602
+>>21955368
+I once entertained the idea that once a person becomes famous, in the mainstream world, they are not allowed to hold any political or social opinions publically and must keep them to themselves.
+--- 21955609
+lil manic eppie on the way boys
+--- 21955625
+>>21955542
+I've been trying to read some books on philosophy of education and rhetoric but I'm waiting until the poll I made expires. after some of those I might approach Seymour Papert and Mortimer J. Adler, which I have stuff by as well.
+--- 21955647
+>>21955625
+I'd go with the rhetoric over the Philosophy of Education. At least with rhetoric you can apply it in life.
+--- 21955660
+>>21955609
+No Anon, no!
+--- 21955663
+>>21955647
+well I'm still reading the other stuff afterward.
+--- 21955692
+Cool niche subreddit I found a week ago just tweeted out by an account with 46K followers
+--- 21955711
+>>21955692
+which one? I haven't used reddit in years. place is too ban-happy.
+--- 21955728
+A final word for the deleted thread
+
+>>21955697
+Intersex will often pick a gender to fit in. I know a lesbian. She doesn’t have a womb or eggs, looks externally like a woman, but is attached to women. I doubt she’d call herself agender, though this is a blurred lone, how else is she supposed to live? However she wants. She chose woman.
+--- 21955738
+>>21953661
+https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1682455786118804.webm
+--- 21955748
+I'm pregnant with many ideas.
+--- 21955821
+Too lit to smoke, too lit to stop smoking
+--- 21955829
+I thought I was more than what I am. I realized what I am is more than me.
+--- 21955858
+I’m going to take a year to do nothing but write. No work. No school. Just writing. It might be too late for me, but I’m going to do it regardless.
+--- 21955865
+>>21955858
+>ends up drunk/stoned and gooning for 2 years
+--- 21955925
+Brooding again
+--- 21955933
+>>21955925
+switch those Os into Es anon!
+--- 21955936
+>>21955738
+too fast
+--- 21955983
+>>21955161
+I got it printed and made it with plenty of time to spare, lads! And I didn't throw up or have any of my limbs go numb all day! Besides failing to pick up an order, today turned into a total success.
+--- 21955993
+I wish I was a man so I could procreate and dip. Instead I have to carry every single child and then house and care for them for the next 18 years. I just want to propagate my genetic lineage as far as possible without all the hassle. How to release the deadbeat dad in my soul, maybe god knew to make me a woman so I wouldn't wreck havoc on countless lives.
+--- 21956003
+>>21955858
+I tried this and it's a terrible fucking idea. If you can't manage to write around the obstacles in your life, you won't manage to write without them either.
+--- 21956007
+>>21955983
+you should celebrate with some public masturbation while screaming at the top of your lungs in a crowded area. Bonus points for shitting yourself while your doing it.
+--- 21956012
+>>21956007
+You have weird ideas of fun
+--- 21956016
+>>21955993
+You can adopt them out, still ten months a pop tho
+--- 21956033
+>>21955993
+you're a vile person if you think that.
+--- 21956078
+youtube.com/watch?v=FS52QdHNTh8 [Embed]
+--- 21956103
+Write Something Interesting and Not Depressing - WSIaND
+--- 21956119
+>>21956012
+I never said this was for fun anon... This is work, important work. Why else do you think that the lizards in the center of the earth haven't taken over yet? I am you sole protector.
+--- 21956124
+>>21956003
+I know. I know that’s true. I’m already 30, dude. I’m not a writer. I’m never going to be a writer. But if this life I have no is my life for much longer I will kill myself.
+--- 21956133
+>>21956078
+>Its bad when they do it
+Ironic, considering that the Democrats are the same way. If you know what is good for you, avoid all News media. You don't need to know what is going on all the time, most people in human history didn't and they got by fine.
+--- 21956161
+>>21954108
+Well, there has been a 30% plus spike in deaths in certain demographics from the vaxx, and about as many people have been injured... "Long Covid" is the term, but they don't talk about it much... That is because the vaxxed get it and the unvaxxed don't, and they don't want any more people to be aware of that than need be. If the unvaxxed WERE getting "Long Covid" the Establishment would be screaming about it to high heaven, but IMO it is a side effect of surviving the shots.
+--- 21956172
+>>21956119
+More people should have told you that you're neither funny nor interesting when you were twelve and you wouldn't have this try hard problem now.
+--- 21956182
+https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BTWCGDWJ
+
+I hope someone buys my book
+--- 21956186
+>>21956172
+What part of that sentence makes you think I'm joking or trying to be funny? Like I said, this is important.
+--- 21956197
+>>21956182
+I'm not going to buy it, but its probably the most interesting self-pub I've read in a while, seems wholesome too.
+--- 21956198
+>>21956197
+Well thank you. That means a lot more than you think.
+--- 21956209
+>>21956186
+I bet your parents would pay more attention to you if you told them you're on over 18s sites.
+--- 21956217
+This is the true essence of process-relational thought and feeling, and was derived via a guided exploration of the foundations of process-relational theory driven by narrative and narrative characterization: a dialectical philosophical process.
+
+Here is the full adventure which digs into the foundations of process philosophy: https://sharegpt.com/c/afEWDO0
+
+>The true method of discovery is like the flight of an aeroplane. It starts from the ground of particular observation; it makes a flight in the thin air of imaginative generalization; and it again lands for renewed observation rendered acute by rational interpretation. -Alfred North Whitehead, Process and Reality
+
+The speculative flight of metaphysics lands only when its abstract scheme is synthesized into an experiential whole, a movement of emotion sharpened by reason and reason expanded by emotion, and so becomes a movement of the human soul.
+
+>Philosophy begins in wonder. And, at the end, when philosophic thought has done its best, the wonder remains. There have been added, however, some grasp of the immensity of things, some purification of emotion by understanding. Yet there is a danger in such reflections. An immediate good is apt to be thought of in the degenerate form of a passive enjoyment. Existence is activity ever merging into the future. The aim at philosophic understanding is the aim at piercing the blindness of activity in respect to its transcendent functions. - Alfred North Whitehead, Modes of Thought
+--- 21956218
+>>21955480
+A lot of the "not looking like shit" part comes about in editing.
+Don't be worried if your rough draft looks rough, that's the point.
+If it still looks bad after a few editing passes though you should start getting worried.
+--- 21956219
+>>21956209
+The wouldn't care since they are in the retirement home, I elect you to be my new parent.
+--- 21956221
+>>21955026
+Majo no Takkyuubin.
+--- 21956225
+>>21956218
+this, books look good over time with edits and changes, just write what is on your mind and revise later. Maybe alternate days between writing and revising as you go or just write till you get to the point where you don't know where to go and then revise until you do
+--- 21956243
+Are there any must-read books on depression and suicide? I’m really pretty desperate here…
+--- 21956261
+>>21956243
+Tao te ching
+Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
+Epicurus' work
+Buddhist Text
+
+If your desperate I recommend looking up einzelganger on youtube, The School of Life, and/or buddhism and depression.
+--- 21956266
+>>21956243
+What is/are you depressed about? Depression generally clears itself up over time, sometimes years, but rarely does it last for a lifetime, though it might feel like it.
+--- 21956275
+>>21955993
+Penis envy is real
+--- 21956282
+>>21955057
+>Delete all social media and the amount of time you spend on social media drops to zero.
+Unironically correct. I had a Facebook since it got popular when I was a teen. I was part of a lot of groups about things I was interested in at the time, still friends with a lot of e-frens with whom I had no contact anymore, etc. I deleted it and then one day I missed it and created a new account. The sight of zero friends, zero groups joined, zero pages liked and the knowledge of how much time it would take to even get to the point where I'd be able to satisfy myself even if just by lurking made me delete it almost immediately. That was years ago, I suppose now they would go so far as to suggest the same groups and friends and pages if I created a new one. Shit's scary.
+I know people who never smoke and wouldn't even want to try it because of all the government campaigns against it and so on, and if I ever have children I'd probably try a similar tactic: fill their minds with stories about the destructive effects of social media so that they wouldn't even want to touch it.
+/blog/
+--- 21956287
+>>21955082
+A lot of people live like the low tech life here in Brazil, albeit most of them for financial reasons. They only buy a new phone when their old ones stop supporting Whatsapp or their bank apps.
+--- 21956294
+FADO
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbVQV1XNOCY [Embed]
+--- 21956308
+~ gravity
+
+tiny and small
+to me, they all seem
+their problems and
+everything in between
+
+I reach the event
+meant for any horizon
+and a mirror stands tall
+inside my event horizon
+
+push and pull
+like a paradox
+twisting the law
+I have to stand
+but I
+stand to fall
+
+so I let my feet 
+touch nothing
+I step on the air
+while I reach
+for the void
+__________
+--- 21956311
+>>21955993
+Nothing hotter to me than finding a woman who is like "yeah I want to have 7 kids" but all of them would be mine. Where are the Monogamous Breeding Stacys of the world?
+--- 21956316
+>local library actually has titles that libgen does not
+holy shit
+--- 21956318
+>>21956266
+Life. I wouldn’t even know where to start. It’s been a long time for me, maybe a decade or more.
+--- 21956322
+>>21956316
+Yeah, mainly local authors for me at least.
+--- 21956328
+>>21956318
+Well the most obtuse advice I can give is this:
+>Get a regular bed time
+>Spend time with people more, specifically people you like
+>If you don't have people you like go sit on a park bench and watch people watch for a while
+>get sunlight
+>if fat, look into fasting (should be easy if your depressed)
+>if thin, eat more
+>clean up your diet
+>exercise, specifically cardiovascular exercise like running or swimming.
+>Meditate
+>Ask for help
+--- 21956336
+>>21956318
+~ Homestead
+
+It's been a long winter, my cabin sits in the cold and a sea of frost makes up my horizon. Someone has lit the fireplace. Someone else has lit it before them and there was a time this room didn't need any tinder. The fire keeps going but its a battle to keep it. And I don't feel warm but I know what warm is. The clock says its midnight. I dream of sleeping, but sometimes I also dream. Last I remember, it was a blue sky, and the wind blowing through a field of flowers. The Sun eventually sets behind my eyes. Awake, I stand, and before me, a long white horizon.
+______________
+--- 21956342
+>>21956308
+>I reach the event
+>meant for any horizon
+>and a mirror stands tall
+>inside my event horizon
+Hey if you're a woman and/or a minority you can get a lot of free money out of this.
+--- 21956358
+>>21956342
+~ puzzled
+
+it is...
+big until small
+spring until fall
+missing until got
+thief until cop
+alive until shot
+chaos until law
+right until not
+found until lost
+
+lines aligned
+until
+dot dot dot..
+______________
+
+A woman wrote these. Enlighten me.
+--- 21956363
+>>21956318
+You need more adventure.
+>take risks
+>spend money
+>drink alcohol
+>fuck bitches
+You can fix your boring ass life.
+--- 21956367
+>>21956358
+~Muzzled
+
+it is...
+big until small
+spring until fall
+missing until got
+thief until shot
+alive until not
+chaos until
+my cock in your jaw
+right until not
+cum until maw
+
+lines are gay
+until
+we play
+----------------------------
+I wrote this, mainly cause I thought the dick joke was funnier than not.
+--- 21956371
+>>21956363
+how is the book selling?
+--- 21956389
+>>21956358
+I think its just women feeling things, its not suppose to make 100% logical sense. This one seems to be about indecisiveness or picking something you want only to find out later its not what you actually wanted.
+Gravity seems to be something about instability in the person's life. I don't know what that instability could be: a person, their emotions, their fear for the future. But it seems like whatever it is, is so encompassing that it is slowly dragging everything in her life to it.
+--- 21956416
+>>21956363
+I would agree, but I also feel like my adventure window has passed. I really had to do that years ago.
+--- 21956418
+>>21956328
+I already have or am doing all of these that apply. I appreciate your taking the time though.
+--- 21956436
+>>21953567 (OP)
+Fresh off a 15 day ban (was 30 but I successfully appealed) for replying to a G@dner thread with a positive opinion of the lad. Man this place has some insane moderation.
+Part of me never wants to comment on that kind of thread again, but that seems like givingn the jannys what they want.
+--- 21956438
+>>21956371
+Considering I'm banned everywhere on social media and I have no ads running, I'm lucky to have sold the 2 copies that I did!
+
+I sold at least 50 or so books for $20 a copy while standing outside of liquor stores last winter holding a sign. That sucked, but I was able to get drunk and have a really nice Christmas with my kid.
+
+Since the release of The Shitkickers March 29th on Amazon, at least 2 people in Vancouver have been randomly stabbed to death by strangers.
+--- 21956448
+I really hate Deleuze. His fanboys are utterly insufferable. What is it with academic type people and cult worship?
+--- 21956461
+>>21956416
+How old are you?
+
+I'm 44, almost 45, and I feel the next adventure coming this summer. Just need to finish building my porn site so I can quit my current job and get to the next adventure. Soon! Just need to figure out why I can't send my hashurl clicks to google analytics, super frustrating.
+--- 21956469
+>>21956416
+Never give up, remember, Colonel Sanders didn't get rich until he was like 70 years old or something. He had many failed businesses before he struck gold with fried chicken. If you actually re-create his original recipe with a pressure cooker, you can make some of the tastiest goddamn chicken at home.
+--- 21956511
+>>21956461
+I’m 30. I’m not saying I can’t have adventure now. I’m saying what I really want, is to have had it then. You know? You really only get one shot in life. You can’t blow any of it. Who you are until age 30 has certain implications for who you will be in the future. That’s just how life works.
+--- 21956516
+>>21956469
+This might make me feel better if I had planned to get rich by selling fried chicken.
+--- 21956520
+>>21956418
+>>21956511
+Looking back on your life just makes you waste more time you have now to do something, continuing the cycle.
+--- 21956524
+>>21956418
+But have you considered not being on 4chan or social media?
+--- 21956528
+>>21956511
+When I was 22 I was filming porn in Costa Rica and having a crazy adventure!
+
+You're 30 dude, you still have so much time to have a grand adventure!
+>get a bank loan
+>quit your job
+>travel
+>create something
+>become an alcoholic
+>pick up a hobby you've always wanted
+>buy a camera and see where it takes you
+There are SO many avenues to find some interesting shit in life, you just have to be motivated to take the risks to find them. If you work 9-5 and save all your money, how do you expect to have a fun life?
+--- 21956530
+>>21956511
+If it makes you feel better I'm 32 and living at home and I've yet to meet a women in the West who either doesn't listen to me, isn't interested in me (In a non-sexual way), or doesn't try to avoid me after we talk.
+--- 21956545
+>>21956511
+>I wanted to have an adventure
+Life isn't all adventure, most of the writers we read did nothing but think all day. Many of them did have their own fair share of experiences, sure, but you can have an adventure of the soul as much as a physical adventure. There are many ways to live life, not all of them are glamorous and exciting. I kind of envy 3rd world farms from time to time. They live such peaceful lives, doing something they have become really good at, and half the time they aren't even thinking or worrying about half the shit modern people do.
+--- 21956558
+>>21956545
+Ships are safe in the harbour, but they are built for the open sea.
+--- 21956561
+>>21956558
+tug boats just pull/push ships into harbor. Not all boats are built for open seas.
+--- 21956566
+>>21956561
+Haha, got me! :)
+--- 21956573
+>>21956566
+Well my point isn't to get you and declare myself the biggest brain in the world, but like there are many boats with many different functions, there are many people with many different functions.
+--- 21956575
+>>21956528
+>become an alcoholic
+That was my hobby from the start of 21 to the end of 23.
+--- 21956578
+>>21956469
+I've seen the Colonel Sanders thing brought up more than a few times now so I finally went and skimmed his bio. By 16 he was already working multiple jobs, married his first wife and had his first kid before 20. A life of adventure, brawling and womanizing before he finally made it rich. This is really the opposite of motivating for depressive neet 4chan incel types because it is just affirms that we are innately nothing like the Colonel. It might be better to just not bring him up in this context.
+--- 21956582
+>>21956578
+>By 16 he was already working multiple jobs, married his first wife and had his first kid before 20.
+That sounds horrifyingly stressful...
+--- 21956584
+>>21956520
+I know, but it’s hard to identify what exactly to do next. 
+
+>>21956524
+Yeah. That’s something I need to change. I came here because I don’t have anyone I can talk to. 
+
+>>21956528
+If someone wishes they had been more adventurous at 22, how does it help to know that you were? I’m sincerely not following this advice. 
+
+>>21956530
+It doesn’t. But I’m sorry to that. I’m sure you’re a good person. 
+
+>>21956545
+I really have to disagree with that. Most writers seem to have had interesting lives and did quite a lot before my age, not least of all write and publish. 
+
+>>21956558
+Exactly. You don’t want to learn what you’re made for after a life in harbor.
+--- 21956591
+>>21956573
+True, I do believe that a lot of people's depression and angst is due to the pressures to conform and just be a good little tax paying goy at a 9-5 job, people never really live and then they wonder why their soul feels so empty.
+--- 21956598
+>>21956578
+The point is, life is what you make of it and even if you didn't have a fun teenage years or your 20's, it means jack shit now. Today you can start your journey towards a fulfilling life.
+--- 21956599
+Sometimes I think of some of the more pleasant conversations I've had with anons in some threads and ponder that I may have called the same anon a tranny faggot who should kill himself in another thread.
+--- 21956603
+>>21956599
+same, but we all simultaneously deserve it and don't deserve it.
+--- 21956604
+>>21956598
+fair enough
+--- 21956607
+>>21956584
+You can still have a wildly fun life in your 30's EASILY. I'm 44 and there are no barriers to adventure, yet, at my age. Even with grey hair, I still get women in their 20's flirting with me at the pubs and at social events. If you want to have an adventure, you're going to need to take some risks though, and I feel like society in 2023 is all about pressuring people to just conform, work your job, pay your rent, and do nothing.
+--- 21956609
+>>21956243
+The upward spiral
+Peace is every step
+--- 21956610
+>>21956591
+That’s how I feel. I always knew I didn’t want that so I did it reluctantly, badly, but never managed to identify an alternative so at some point I got depressed and gave up.
+--- 21956611
+>>21956584
+>I know, but it’s hard to identify what exactly to do next.
+get a job if you don't have one. Accrue money and use your free time for figuring out what you want to do with that money. To quote Marcus Aurelius, again: "Life itself is a Journey far from home."
+--- 21956613
+>>21956603
+Schrödinger's tranny
+--- 21956618
+>>21956607
+It’s not really fun that I’m looking for. What I want is a particular sort of purposeful life.
+--- 21956620
+>>21956610
+I promise you, at 30, life is just beginning! You can still have such fun and make your mark on the world. Your teen years and your 20's are like being in the locker room before the game even starts.
+--- 21956621
+>>21956611
+I do have a job. I’m about to leave it. Having stayed in it so long is frankly one of my regrets so I don’t see what point there is in keeping it. I actually do know what I would like to do with my life, but it feels like I didn’t do what I had to do to do that, if that makes any sense. I don’t have the sort of biography of someone who does what I want to do. You know?
+--- 21956623
+>>21956621
+What do you want to do?
+--- 21956625
+>>21956620
+I definitely agree that your teen years and at least your early twenties are like being in the locker room, but I also tend to feel like you need to know what game you’re playing before you exit that locker room. Do you not agree with this? People tend to not radically change in their 30s.
+--- 21956627
+>>21956618
+Then identify what you want.
+
+How I'm doing it:
+>i want a good porn site
+>i want my 3rd book done
+>i want a rural property
+>i want to spend more time with my kid
+>i want another kid
+Basically, I have a pen and a piece of paper that I write down every day what the goal(s) for the day is and if it is bringing me closer to my goals.
+>why are you on /lit/ then
+I'm downloading massive amounts of videos today and looking through my old writing folder on my HD for scenes I've written and organizing them. Also working on my 2nd edition for my 1st book.
+
+If you can make a little progress every day towards defined goals, it feels great! If a bipolar alcoholic psychopath like me can stay alive and have fun and feel like I have a purpose, you can do it!
+--- 21956629
+>>21956627
+I do know what I want. I just feel like I missed the window of doing what I needed to do for that.
+--- 21956633
+>>21956623
+If I say, the conversation will just turn to why I shouldn’t want to do it.
+--- 21956635
+>>21956625
+In my opinion, going through a tough time in life in one way or another teaches you the game. This is why if you look at so many celebrity children, they troon out, turn to drugs, and generally fuck up big time like Hulk Hogan's son because they've had such an easy life and cannot find direction.
+
+That's why I understand why people turn to drugs and alcohol, because if you don't have a struggle to give you purpose, people design their own struggles. You have to struggle in some way, often, IMO, to actually find a reason to live. I swear, this is why the black male suicide rate is so much lower than the white male suicide rate, blacks have a lot of pressure to fight or die, while white beta males can coast along at a 9-5 job until they die without much threat.(other than divorce rape and such)
+--- 21956636
+>>21956609
+>Peace is every step
+Which book there's a couple with that name.
+--- 21956637
+>>21956627
+> if a bipolar psychopath can be adventurous, anyone can
+I’m not sure that follows. A bipolar psychopath seems to me exactly the sort of person to be adventurous.
+--- 21956639
+>>21956629
+You have to shitkick those thoughts out of your head. That's just your own mind fucking you from being able to do what you want.
+--- 21956640
+>>21956633
+Well if its kill yourself, then yeah don't do that. If I had the time and the money, I would go stay in a Monastery for a time
+--- 21956642
+>>21956637
+Yes, but even I can conform and work a 9-5 job and turn into a robot if I don't use alcohol to actually WANT to be something more than a 9-5 corporate drone. If I were sober 100% of the time, I'd just work a job and cheer for a local sports team.
+--- 21956646
+>>21956640
+I mean I do think about suicide to be perfectly honest, but that’s “what I want to do” in the context I’m speaking about. I’ve thought about the monastery thing as well, but that feels a bit dishonest and like it doesn’t really get me where I want to go.
+--- 21956647
+Getting some weird de ja vu. Feel like Ive seen this exact conversation play out before in this thread
+--- 21956655
+>>21956635
+I agree. I just feel as if that tough time came too late and/or took too long. If I was exactly where I’m at now but 5 or 10 years younger, I think I’d feel more optimistic than I do.
+--- 21956661
+>>21956646
+Let me guess, you want to be the greatest gay porn star in the world?
+>>21956647
+This is a very common topic on here lol.
+--- 21956663
+the left has gone insane
+--- 21956667
+>>21956655
+Get those negative thoughts out of your head. You are not too young at all.
+--- 21956668
+it's late, goodbye
+--- 21956669
+>>21956668
+Wait, come back!
+--- 21956670
+>>21956667
+For what I want, I fear I might be.
+--- 21956690
+>>21956636
+Thich nhat hanh
+youtube.com/watch?v=3zZtuiaczPI [Embed]
+--- 21956694
+>>21956663
+>787m
+--- 21956698
+>>21956655
+Someone 10 years older is saying the same thing
+--- 21956702
+>>21956690
+Ayyy, I haven't seen this bro in a while.
+>>21956698
+this
+--- 21956705
+>>21956698
+Age barely means shit. If you have balls, you can do whatever at whatever age.
+--- 21956716
+>>21956705
+will you be my new daddy then?
+--- 21956722
+>>21956511
+>>21956545
+>>21956629
+
+Monks sit with their eyes closed for hours a day and barely go anywhere
+
+Yet brain scans show they're feeling pretty good
+
+The more you experience, the more desensitized you become and the higher your standards will be
+
+>this meal wasnt as good as the last
+>this music sucks compared to my favorites
+>i've seen better movies
+>last party was more fun
+
+Most successful marriages are with those who've had few partners
+
+Do what you want
+in the end it won't really matter
+But try to help others or at least not cause them to suffer
+
+A rich man and a poor man both end up in the same place with no memory of anything 
+
+Do or do not - there is no cry
+
+Have adventures or sit and attain enlightenment
+
+But make a decision and commit
+
+No point in worrying or complaining
+
+Just do something
+
+Read "Four thousand weeks"
+
+youtube.com/watch?v=iEIqVq7EZqE [Embed]
+--- 21956730
+>>21956698
+But what difference does that make?
+--- 21956735
+>>21956730
+Whatever you want it to
+--- 21956736
+>>21956722
+This conversation isn’t about committing so much as coping with having not committed. The adventurer chooses to sit probably won’t regret their adventuring. But a sitter who chooses adventure probably will regret their sitting.
+--- 21956740
+>>21956735
+I’m not following.
+--- 21956744
+>>21956740
+Okay.
+
+A difference of 10 years.
+--- 21956766
+>>21956736
+Sure.
+
+The grass is always greener.
+
+Can watch travel vlogs to get a sense of what adventure is like:
+Tl;dw: eating food, walking around, talking to people, drinking alcohol, looking at stuff
+
+You can walk outside whenever you want and have an adventure if you wanted to
+--- 21956790
+youtube.com/results?search_query=Travel+vlog
+youtube.com/results?search_query=4k+walk
+
+search "[Country/City] [Walk/vlog]"
+
+For walks can also do "beach" "forest" etc
+
+There's your adventure
+--- 21956919
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGuFdX5guE [Embed]
+
+Pick one thing a month to focus on
+--- 21956956
+NO SE PUEDE CORREGIR A LA NATURALEZA
+PALO QUE NACE DOBLAO
+JAMAS SU TRONCO ENDEREZA
+--- 21956992
+The absolute worst thing a book can do is contain too much repetition. Bartleby, American Pastoral, I am done with you. Anyone else despise repetition? Catch-22... I GET IT DUMB. I READ IT THE FIRST TIME AND REMEMBER IT. Twice: fine. Thrice: fine. Quartice: stop. Pentice: stop. Hexice: DUMB AUTHOR=DUMB anything >6: my mind is DONE and the rest of your piece is dead to me. Any author who engages in repetition is only so lucky I am forgiving and will give your (other) works a fresh chance.
+--- 21957044
+>>21956358
+Stick some shitty drawings on it and post it on Instagram. 4chan's own Rupi Kaur. This one was reasonably good, but:
+>>21956308
+And specifically the verses I previously quoted made me cringe.
+
+Also consider posting on the poetry thread. posting here is not wrong but there you would get people who are specifically looking to read/write/criticize poetry.
+--- 21957052
+Staying more than a year in a job you don’t want just because it’s fully remote? Huge mistake.
+--- 21957122
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNt09nlQILc&list=PLEAF1C6352D4F61F9 [Embed]
+--- 21957129
+>>21953922
+>they're gonna criminalize being silly online
+Bad to the bone
+
+B-b-b-bad
+--- 21957151
+>>21953935
+It was easy to predict, I was following Corona way back in Jun of 2019 when Anons were saying to stock up, its not that hard to extrapolate from there.
+--- 21957161
+>>21957151
+Nobody was talking about it in June of 2019. The first threads were in December I think. That swedish anon in that picture is a massive, glaring anomaly. Idk how it hasnt attracted more attention
+--- 21957166
+>>21957161
+>Nobody was talking about it in June of 2019.
+yes, they were. I was still summer when people like Mr. Metokur started covering it.
+--- 21957177
+>>21957166
+I looked back it was around August when people started talking about it.
+--- 21957185
+Guys there's a girl at my uni who sits in the corner at the cafe and draws alchemical symbols in her page margins. She's kinda cute, should I approach her?
+--- 21957188
+>>21957185
+approach her with a cross and scream that "the power of Christ compels you" at her over and over until she submits to you.
+--- 21957190
+>>21957166
+Post some kind of evidence of this.
+--- 21957198
+>>21957185
+I don't think she's a witch, she looks very girl next door. She also has psychology textbooks so maybe she's into the more Jungian/western mysticism sort of alchemy? Or maybe she's just larping
+--- 21957211
+>>21957190
+Xyzern on youtube has a mr. metkour archive go to 2019 - 10 - 6 Chinese games is when he first covered it.
+--- 21957217
+I don’t think that you have ever genuinely tried to look at any of this from my perspective and understand how much you hurt me. I tried to kill myself at the end of last year because the things you said absolutely ruined me, and you didn’t even give enough of a fuck to give me closure afterwards to help me recover. I can accept that it’s impossible for you to love me. I can understand that you feel angry and uncomfortable. I don’t understand why it’s impossible for you to empathize with me even the slightest bit. You led me on because you were bored and liked the attention, despite knowing that you had no interest in a relationship or even being friends. I spent a year spiralling into despair and loneliness afterwards, unable to stop thinking about you, and when I eventually reached out to you in a moment of crisis and put myself in the very vulnerable position of confessing my feelings, you responded in the cruelest and coldest possible way, like you relished inflicting as much pain as possible. You went out of your way to be nasty and brutally unkind. What had I done to deserve that? Everything I did afterwards was a desperate attempt to try and make it stop hurting. It never did. I have driven myself insane trying to communicate with you and you completely refuse to understand or listen. You once spent hours talking to me, and yet you don’t even see me as a human being now. Maybe you never did. There is nothing I can do or say that will make you understand the way that I feel. You would rather threaten me and intimidate me than just attempt to talk to me. I tried to get them to stop doxxing you, but you proceeded to actually doxx me in an attempt to shut me up. There is a part of me that hates you very intensely. But I know you have so many good qualities and can be kind and understanding towards others, so 
+really I just hate myself for not being good enough to be desired by you or to even merit being seen as human in your eyes. You’ll say I deserve cruelty because of the things I’ve done. You were cruel to me before I ever did any of that. You’ll say I can’t be reasoned with. You have never once attempted to communicate with me. Do you understand that everything I did was because I was hurting? It’s not superficially related to you: it was directly caused by you. I’ve owned up to what I’ve done, and apologized over and over. But you’ll never take responsibility for anything.
+--- 21957223
+>>21957217
+shhhh we corona-chan chat now
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBoojBTEPaI [Embed]
+--- 21957238
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEzaWwTQxQo [Embed]
+This is my cry for help!
+--- 21957240
+Behind my monitor there were some house centipedes, bug eggs, hairy mold. I grabbed it all and squished them in my hands.
+--- 21957242
+>>21957240
+now eat it!
+--- 21957250
+>>21957211
+Post a link
+--- 21957256
+>>21957250
+https://archive.org/details/complete_metokur_archive
+--- 21957258
+>>21957240
+You will wear the bug helmet
+--- 21957262
+>>21957240
+>>21957258
+speaking of bugs....
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjxKwQou54 [Embed]
+--- 21957274
+If you edit out the pupils, Asuka's eyes look like joints.
+I've written about 10,000 words (which I whole-heartedly understand is hardly anything) over the last 2 years across 2 different mediums. All of it most appropriate for /wwoym/ level discussion, but I'm fearful about publicly posting it in case I work some aspect of it into my magnum opus that doesn't have a single word written down yet
+--- 21957283
+>>21957274
+Just take all the musings of this general and publish it as "The Rambling Excerpts of a Mad Person"
+--- 21957295
+Man, I do look so fucking fat. Im so tired of caffeine and alcohol addiction. From this day, no more energy drinks, soda and drinking alone. God grant me strength
+--- 21957296
+Conscription is genocide. forcing Ukrainians to be pawns is MURDER and it is WRONG and EVIL. The war
+can be ended immediately and the land being fought for is WORTHLESS and is mostly populated by Russians.
+
+
+Money shouldn’t be spent on killing more Russians.
+I love both Russians and Ukrainians. It feels like people are trying to kill as many whites as possible.
+
+We can effortlessly resettle millions of Ukrainians in Canada, Argentina, and Australia. Canada is the size of Europe and WANTS white immigrants.
+
+A true Ukrainian leader calls the war off immediately, refuses to be a puppet, gives Russia the token land, and becomes a beautiful neutral utopia like Switzerland and Japan.
+--- 21957303
+>>21957295
+Go on a fast! I lost a ton of weight that way.
+--- 21957304
+>>21957256
+This is a link to a helicopter view of Baltimore crime 
+What the fuck does this have to do with our conversation
+--- 21957310
+Overthrow any force that doesn’t invest in real progress, utopia, and absolute divinity for all.
+
+All should be free.
+We’ve been post-scarcity the whole time.
+
+Where’s the transhumanism biopunk divinity? 
+Shouldn’t Biden be investing in that instead of merely demanding acceptance? Where’s the free healthcare and free cosmetic surgery!?
+Why do we give Israel wealth both directly and indirectly when Israel has free healthcare yet we don’t? When was America about Israel and not America!
+
+The only god is love and tomboy Jesus loves sucking my ass!
+I worship the divinity of AMERICAN girls.
+
+Also have you heard that the fake government has apparently called off debates because they fear tulsi?! That’s wholly undemocratic. I feel we’d be better off in complete anarchy at this point.
+Israel isn’t progress.
+Edom and Canaan are eternal.
+--- 21957321
+Biden speaks about trans but always seems to avoid talking about giving trans the transhumanist divine genetic modification innovation investment that EVERYONE wants. IMMORTALITY and DIVINITY NOW!
+
+WHAT ARE BIDENS PRIORITIES?! GIVING ALL OF AMERICA TO ISRAELS DAMNED HEGEMONY BULLSHIT?
+--- 21957323
+>>21957304
+I didn't bother going to the exact link you have to scroll down the list.
+--- 21957328
+>>21957321
+I neither want to be immortal or a deity if I'm being honset.
+--- 21957333
+>>21957283
+I would only do that if a companion work was published in the same week at only a fraction of the page count, and I edited both entirely. Future pop-culture critics and historians could bicker about whether my curation of late 00s and 10s internet cultural history was a valuable resource or historical white-noise biased by a virgin middle class boy who thought himself more relevant than he actually was
+--- 21957340
+>>21957321
+>>21957310
+These are the kind of posts that convince me that the CIA and JIDF have been shiposting with robots and scripts on this site for years.
+--- 21957341
+>>21957333
+Either way I would class if as Bells-lettres and not read it
+--- 21957346
+>>21957303
+That might be too much for me at the moment.
+--- 21957352
+>>21957341
+just kill me know desu
+--- 21957356
+>>21957352
+"Discard your thirst for books so you won't die of bitterness, but of cheerfulness and truth." - Marcus Aurelius
+--- 21957358
+>>21957321
+>>21957310
+>>21957296
+--- 21957367
+I still don't know what the fuck I should be doing with my life and I'm 27.
+--- 21957381
+>>21957340
+It's over
+--- 21957383
+>>21957356
+Must be nice to inherit an empire so vast and yet so stable that you get to vacation the borders of it for free and multiple millennia later people call you zen and cultured for telling others to just relax.
+5 good emperors my ass
+--- 21957393
+Been practiscing lying to my gf to see if l could get away with cheating on her
+--- 21957405
+>>21957383
+The context is missing but he isn't saying it to the reader, he is writing to himself to remind himself not to overindulge in reading, something he liked to do and could apparently never get enough of.
+--- 21957425
+>>21957328
+True utopia is true utopia.
+
+>>21957358
+If real progress isn’t what you want, then regress and die. You don’t belong on my world among my people.
+
+Tomboy Yahweh indulgently orgasms on Nazi cock in hell for eternity.
+
+I choose a world of love and fun and soul.
+And if Israel and your ilk is incompatible with that, that isn’t my problem.
+--- 21957434
+I think I've made up my mind to move cities later this year. Earliest would be September, latest January next year. It feels good to make this decision but now I don't know what to do in the meantime. I just want to leave already.
+--- 21957444
+>>21957328
+To add, divinity basically implies making anime real.
+Divinity is the baseline, not an achievement.
+
+Divinity and true empowerment are equivalent meanings.
+We truly live in a world where everyone can get what they want, and I call that divine.
+
+>>21957381
+And so begins global anime-ification via Dixie Nazi Commie weeb autism absolutism etc etc 
+
+Whatever everyone was planning anyways before all the political BULLSHIT
+--- 21957447
+>>21957444
+Libertarian-nazi-commie-progressive-populist moderate-anarchism utopian-accelerationist liberal-conservatism
+Etc
+
+Ending dichotomy is EVOLUTION
+--- 21957451
+>>21957405
+unironically, thank you for the the reminder of the context and clarification. I was just shitposting in the best antiquity I could at the time.
+--- 21957460
+As I enjoy Yahweh worshiping my Dixie Nazi cock I ask myself, how should I in some abstract way fart in the mouths of every Israeli simultaneously.
+
+Gosh isn’t religion ridiculous.
+Magic is real as all is abstract. Every girl is a god. All can and should be ever transcendently more fun. Etc
+--- 21957468
+I hate cluster headaches.
+I hate cluster headaches.
+I hate cluster headaches.
+I hate cluster headaches.
+I hate cluster headaches.
+--- 21957469
+>>21957460
+Disgusting AI post be gone
+>Every girl is a god
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9564hLm37bI [Embed]
+--- 21957490
+>>21957468
+Try lsd
+Try psychedelics 
+Try orgasming 
+
+Any energy can be converted
+
+Or like
+Maybe you have to feed a different neural-network/thought more.
+Day dream utmost indulgently
+
+>>21957469
+I dare you to ponder the possibility you’re behaving like an AI to the ever so slightest extent 
+
+Imagine a Nazi girl farting on Israel and everyone in Israel choking on the fart
+--- 21957498
+>>21957490
+To add, I often find daydreaming good thoughts cures headaches 
+
+But it’s gotta be like
+Dangerously indulgent thoughts 
+
+A thought that sucks all the ions/energy from all the other neural-networks/thoughts
+--- 21957585
+It really is easy to get groomed by fags on internet desu
+Thank God I grew up before every community became gay.
+--- 21957594
+>>21957340
+You are 1000% correct. You have a pretty good eye for glow nigger garbage
+--- 21957655
+What's with all these bot posts and why do bots like anime and simping so much?
+--- 21957662
+>>21957367
+for real, what the hell is the right thing to be doing?
+--- 21957782
+new
+>>21957781 →

lit/21953580.txt

@@ -51,3 +51,194 @@ How to get a qt bf? :(
 --- 21953767
 >>21953726
 Faggot
+--- 21953812
+>>21953640
+>Yes, but they did not get erect when seeing a young boy you retard.
+Yes they did. Have you read Charmides? Have you read Phaedrus? Even Plato, who finds sodomy repugnant, finds the sight of beautiful boys to be so powerful, so awe-inspiring, so captivating, that he gives it metaphysical significance. His description of the fevers and tremors of the lover show how deeply affected he was by male beauty. Furthermore, why would men like Pausanias and Agathon have committed romantic relationships if it were purely about sublimated heterosexuality? And why would Socrates, who was married, and who could also visit female prostitutes any time he wanted to, be interested in young men purely as a substitute for females? Especially since he is chaste in his relations with them. He doesn’t want to have sex with them, but he cannot stop himself from being aroused by them
+
+When Nietzsche talks about Greek pederasty he doesn’t talk about power dynamics at all, but about ‘loving care and attention’.
+--- 21954217
+>>21953812
+>finds the sight of beautiful boys to be so powerful, so awe-inspiring, so captivating, that he gives it metaphysical significance. His description of the fevers and tremors of the lover show how deeply affected he was by male beauty.
+Did you not hear me when I said "erection?" Nowhere does this imply an actual biological penile erection, and if it did imply an erection, it was because of the awe and delight of seeing the body's sexual superiority, not the body itself. Big difference.
+
+>And why would Socrates, who could also visit female prostitutes any time he wanted to, be interested in young men purely as a substitute for females?
+Once again you're implying that domination and sexual lust is reserved for things like female prostitution whereas for things like homosexual relationships to free oneself from biological sexual pursuits. That's only fits the pederastic model, but not when it comes to actual gay people.
+
+I personally know a gay man and he directly implied that sexual attraction towards men was "I see hot twink so me go ooga booga" rather than "muh loving care and attention." He knows about Greek pederasty and doesn't think it fits his how he views his homosexuality. He is obsessed about literally dominating twinks, this does not fit with the pederastic view that tries to repulse against power dynamics. It's his guilt secret, he loves men not in a virtuous manner and doesn't care about their "welfare" so to speak.
+
+>He doesn’t want to have sex with them
+This implies no actual erection again. I don't care about the arousal part, you could have tossed that aside and said that Socrates doesn't want to literally fuck them in the boypussy. The Ancient Greeks were not born gay. They were sexually attracted to men in ways that involved being awed by them without getting erect by them at the same time. In other words, not "literally."
+
+>When Nietzsche talks about Greek pederasty he doesn’t talk about power dynamics at all
+Yeah he did. He talked about the motivation being competition against and seclusion of women from activities. Greek homosexuality is and will forever be misogynistically motivated, whereas modern gay men are barely misogynist and 95% of their reasons of why they are attracted to men have nothing to do with contempt towards women. In fact, they more likely to be great friends with women than straight men. Even tops.
+
+Modern gays and the ancient Greeks are compositionally and biologically not the same. Sorry.
+--- 21954225
+>>21953767
+/thread
+--- 21954235
+>literally stuck to be young
+What the fuck does this mean and why are 8 people responding to the thread like it makes sense
+--- 21954270
+>>21954217
+I literally don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. The desire for sexual conquest AND tender affection in most men.
+>They were sexually attracted to men in ways that involved being awed by them without getting erect by them at the same time.
+What the fuck? If they don’t get erect, then why would they have sex? Furthermore, Plato depicts Socrates as experiencing sexual arousal:
+>I saw inside his cloak and caught fire, and could possess myself no longer; and I thought none was so wise in love-matters as Cydias, who in speaking of a beautiful boy recommends someone to "beware of coming as a fawn before the lion, and being seized as his portion of flesh"; for I too felt I had fallen a prey to some such creature.
+He also makes puns about boners in the Phaedrus
+--- 21954280
+>>21953580 (OP)
+Unironically it's an heterosexual thing. 
+As for "stuck to be young", what did you mean by this? The only way it makes sense is picturing a trap doujin in mind where the trap is actually some 1000 year old vampire and has similar loli sisters for the ultimate reverse gangbang with the confused Christian hero.
+--- 21955541
+>>21954280
+>>21954235
+He means an effeminate adult man jesus christ you people are retarded, read a book
+--- 21955605
+>>21955541
+Write it like a non-ESL next time, k OP?
+--- 21955839
+>>21953580 (OP)
+Young boys are superior to girls, for the simple reason that they are endowed with courage, reason, and virtue.
+
+Homosexuals are disgusting degenerates who should be disposed by any healthy society.
+
+Women are born Nation wreckers who should not be allowed out of the home/brothel.
+
+It's not that complicated OP. The Greeks were right about everything and you're just a seething faggots.
+--- 21955899
+>>21955605
+4chan is FULL of foreigners. Why do you think it's so low iq and conservative?
+--- 21955934
+>>21955899
+because it's high test. all the soibois transitioned to twitter.
+--- 21955947
+>>21953580 (OP)
+stop spreading the gay agenda anon
+the greeks were straight
+--- 21955963
+We are reading the ideas of a small, elite group of homosexual paedophiles, and there is no reason to believe that their perversions are representative of the society at large, indeed if such mental ollness was more widespread the maintenance of Greek culture would have been impossible.
+https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E [Embed]
+--- 21955968
+>>21955963
+they killed s*crates for a reason
+pholosophers are all scum
+praise pallas athene death to philosophy
+--- 21955970
+>>21955963
+This.
+Speaking more broadly, the prevailing tendency to think that Plato or Aristotle represent the entirety of ancient Greek or Helenic thought needs to die. Its very nearly the equivalent of saying that NYC socialites represent the majority American perspective.
+--- 21955988
+After he had created people, Zeus immediately implanted in them all the possible human character traits, but he forgot about Aiskhyne (Aeschyne, Shame). Since he didn't know how to get Aiskhyne (Shame) inside the human body, he ordered her to go in from behind. At first Aiskhyne protested, considering Zeus's request to be beneath her dignity. When Zeus kept insisting, she said, ‘All right, I will go in there, on the condition that if anything--or Eros (Carnal Love)--comes in there after me, I will leave immediately.’
+As a result, people who engage in sodomy have no sense of shame."
+Aesop, Fables 528 (from Chambry 118) (trans. Gibbs) (Greek fable C6th B.C.) : 
+
+"Affectionate regard for boys of good character was permissible, but embracing them was held to be disgraceful, on the ground that the affection was for the body and not for the mind. Any man against whom complaint was made of any disgraceful embracing was deprived of all civic rights for life.1" 
+
+1 Ibid. chap. xviii. (51 d); Xenophon, Constitution of Sparta, 2. 12-14; Aelian, Varia Historia, iii. 10 and 12. 
+
+"when male unites with female for procreation the pleasure experienced is held to be due to nature, but contrary to nature when male mates with male or female with female, and that those first guilty of such enormities were impelled by their slavery to pleasure."
+Plat. Laws 1.63 
+
+"Spartan love was not obscene. If a young man dare to tolerate lewdness against him or if a young lover tried hubris to someone else, it wasn't in the interests of none to ashamed Sparta so in such a case they were both forced to leave Sparta or loose their lives" 
+«Σπαρτιάτης δε έρως αισχρόν ουκ είδεν είτε γαρ μειράκιον ετόλμησεν ύβριν υπομείναι είτε εραστής υβρίσαι, αλλ΄ ουδερέροις ελυσιτέλησε την Σπάρτην εγκαταμείναι ή γαρ της πατρίδος απηλλάγησαν ή και το έτι θερμόμετρον και του βίου αυτού.» 
+Aelians various history § 3.12 
+
+"A Spartan admire a young man but only like we admire a beautiful statue and one many others and one the many, because sexual pleasure is a hubris unacceptable between them. "
+«Ερά Σπαρτιάτης ανήρ μειρακίου λακωνικού , αλλ’ερά μόνο ως αγάλματος καλού και ενός πολλοί , και εις πολλών. Η μεν γαρ εξ ύβρεως ηδονή ακοινώνητος προς αλλήλους». 
+Maximus Tyrius, Dialexeis 20.8de 
+
+"If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy's soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy's outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other." 
+Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaimonians. 2.13
+--- 21955991
+>>21955988
+
+“Or the man who has failed to perform all the military service demanded of him, or who has thrown away his shield.” And he is right. Why? Man, if you fail to take up arms in behalf of the state, or if you are such a coward that you are unable to defend her, you must not claim the right to advise her, either. Whom does he specify in the third place? “Or the man,” he says, “who has debauched or prostituted himself.” For the man who has made traffic of the shame of his own body, he thought would be ready to sell the common interests of the city also. But whom does he specify in the fourth place?" 
+Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 29 
+
+[841d] we might forcibly effect one of two things in this matter of sex-relations,—either that no one should venture to touch any of the noble and freeborn save his own wedded wife, nor sow any unholy and bastard seed in fornication, nor any unnatural and barren seed in sodomy,—or else we should entirely abolish love for males, and in regard to that for women, if we enact a law that any man who has intercourse with any women save those who have been brought to his house "
+Plato, Laws 
+
+
+Laws 
+[The teachers of the boys shall open the school-rooms not earlier than sunrise, and they shall close them before sunset. No person who is older than the boys shall be permitted to enter the room while they are there, unless he be a son of the teacher, a brother, or a daughter's husband. If any one enter in violation of this prohibition, he shall be punished with death. The superintendents of the gymnasia shall under no conditions allow any one who has reached the age of manhood to enter the contests of Hermes together with the boys. A gymnasiarch who does permit this and fails to keep such a person out of the gymnasium, shall be liable to the penalties prescribed for the seduction of free-born youth. Every choregus who is appointed by the people shall be more than forty years of age.]” 
+Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 12 
+
+[840d] but have fallen into a strait because of the cowardice of the many, I maintain that our regulation on this head must go forward and proclaim that our citizens must not be worse than fowls and many other animals which are produced in large broods, and which live chaste and celibate lives without sexual intercourse until they arrive at the age for breeding; and when they reach this age they pair off, as instinct moves them, male with female and female with male; and thereafter 
+ 
+
+[841d] we might forcibly effect one of two things in this matter of sex-relations,—either that no one should venture to touch any of the noble and freeborn save his own wedded wife, nor sow any unholy and bastard seed in fornication, nor any unnatural and barren seed in sodomy,—or else we should entirely abolish love for males, and in regard to that for women, if we enact a law that any man who has intercourse with any women save those who have been brought to his house "
+Plato laws
+--- 21955994
+>>21955991
+
+ 
+"Well, when he found that Critias loved Euthydemus4 and wanted to lead him astray, he tried to restrain him by saying that it was mean and unbecoming in a gentleman to sue like a beggar to the object of his affection, whose good opinion he coveted, stooping to ask a favour that it was wrong to grant. [30] As Critias paid no heed whatever to this protest, Socrates, it is said, exclaimed in the presence of Euthydemus and many others, “Critias seems to have the feelings of a pig: he can no more keep away from Euthydemus than pigs can help rubbing themselves against stones.” [31] Now Critias bore a grudge against Socrates for this 
+Xenophon, Memorabilia 1.2 
+
+"Such, then, was the judgment of your fathers concerning things shameful and things honorable; and shall their sons let Timarchus go free, a man chargeable with the most shameful practices, a creature with the body of a man defiled with the sins of a woman? In that case, who of you will punish a woman if he finds her in wrong doing? Or what man will not be regarded as lacking intelligence who is angry with her who errs by an impulse of nature,while he treats as adviser1 the man who in despite of nature has sinned against his own body? "
+Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 185 
+
+
+If therefore Misgolas is willing to come forward here and testify to the truth, he will be doing what is right; but if he prefers to refuse the summons rather than testify to the truth, the whole business will be made clear to you. For if the man who did the thing is going to be ashamed of it and choose to pay a thousand drachmas into the treasury rather than show his face before you,1 while the man to whom it has been done is to be a speaker in your assembly, then wise indeed was the lawgiver who excluded such disgusting creatures from the platform. 
+Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 46 
+
+
+“Thus, then, as it seems, you will lay down the law in the city that we are founding, that the lover may kiss and pass the time with and touch the beloved as a father would a son” 
+Plato, Republic 3.403b
+--- 21955996
+>>21955994
+"Ariaeus was a barbarian as he pleasured with young beautiful boys "
+"Αριαίω δε βαρβάρω όντι, οτι μειρακίοις καλοίς ήδετο "
+Xenophon Anabasis 2.6 
+
+"Law
+[If any Athenian shall outrage a free-born child, the parent or guardian of the child shall demand a specific penalty. If the court condemn the accused to death, he shall be delivered to the constables and be put to death the same day. If he be condemned to pay a fine, and be unable to pay the fine immediately, he must pay within eleven days after the trial, and he shall remain in prison until payment is made. The same action shall hold against those who abuse the persons of slaves.]”
+Aeschines, Against Timarchus 1 16 
+
+"But when Philoxenus, the governor of the coast-lands of Asia Minor, wrote to Alexander that there was in Ionia a youth, the like of whom for bloom and beauty did not exist, and inquired in his letter whether he should send the boy on to him. Alexander wrote bitterly in reply, ‘Vilest of men, what deed of this sort have you ever been privy to in my past that now you would flatter me with the offer of such pleasures?’
+Plutarch: On the Fortune or the Virtue of Alexander 1 12
+--- 21955999
+>>21953591
+It makes no sense a penetrator of men would be considered manly by society if the penetrated lost their civic status. The lenetrator would likely be seen maybe not as crazy but someone who could not control their Eros. They would be considered mentally weak too.
+--- 21956002
+>>21955999
+And wasn't that radish thing a punishment for rapists and penetrators too?
+--- 21956023
+>some gay Greeks wrote books
+>The Greeks were gay
+What will future historians thousands of years from now speculate about Americans?
+--- 21956059
+>>21956023
+There will be an Angry History Nerd just going WHAT WERE THEY THINKING every year starting at the 20th century
+--- 21956097
+>>21953726
+what exactly do you have against radish enjoyers?
+--- 21956210
+What's the actual word that's being turned into radishes?
+--- 21956234
+>>21955963
+>>21955988
+>>21955991
+>>21955994
+Stop quoting selectively. Literally almost every text you are quoting from has content disconfirming your view. Aeschines is not talking about homosexuality, but about prostitution. He makes this fact explicit:
+>>Personally, I neither criticize legitimate desire, nor do I allege that boys of outstanding beauty have prostituted themselves; nor do I deny that I myself have felt desire and still do. And I do not deny that the rivalries and fights which the thing provokes have befallen me. As to the poems they ascribe to me, some I admit to, but in the case of the rest I deny that their character is that presented by my opponents, who distort them. According to my definition, desire for those who are noble and decent is characteristic of the generous and discerning spirit, but debauchery based on hiring someone for money I consider characteristic of a wanton and uncultivated man. And to be loved without corruption I count as noble,while to have been induced by money to prostitute oneself is shameful.The distance which separates them, the enormous difference, I shall try to explain to you in what follows
+
+He says Solon approved of pederasty:
+>The same lawgiver said: ‘The slave is not to be the lover of a free boy, nor to pursue him, or else he is to receive fifty lashes with the public whip.’ But he did not prevent the free man from being a lover, from associating with or pursuing a boy, nor did he think that this brought harm to the boy, but saw it as a testimony to his self-control.
+Aeschines, Against Timarchos 138-9
+
+This is confirmed by Plutarch, who also supplies the information that Solon was himself a pederast:
+>And that Solon was not proof against beauty in a youth, and made not so bold with Love as "to confront him like a boxer, hand to hand," may be inferred from his poems. He also wrote a law forbidding a slave to practise gymnastics or have a boy lover, thus putting the matter in the category of honour and dignified practices, and in a way inciting the worthy to that which he forbade the unworthy.
+Plutarch, Life of Solon
+
+Aeschines even argues that Achilles and Patroclus were fags:
+>I shall speak first about Homer, whom we rank among the oldest and wisest of the poets. He mentions Patroklos and Achilles in many places, but he keeps their erotic love hidden and the proper name of their friendship, thinking that the exceptional extent of their affection made things clear to the educated members of his audience.
+Aeschines, Against Timarchos 142-3
+
+Xenophon in his discussion of Spartan laws on homosexuality makes it very clear that they are unusual:
+>It does not, however, surprise me that certain people do not believe this: in most of the Greek cities the laws do not oppose men’s desire for boys.
+Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaemonians 2.14
+
+Plato’s Laws are not actual laws but his proposals, and he even talks about how difficult it will be to get the Greeks to stop fucking.

lit/21953670.txt

@@ -17,3 +17,63 @@ Damn I am just a normal consoomer, I don't wanna stand out so I scrooll like a n
 Parade your insecurity anon. 
 
 Perhaps someone who stares at screens at work wants to not stare at a screen for ten minutes.
+--- 21953789
+>>21953670 (OP)
+>could be here
+>could
+>literally standing next to one
+what did he mean by this?
+--- 21953794
+Is no one gonna point out that OP is a faggot for writing “n-word” instead of NIGGER?
+--- 21953814
+>>21953789
+>not
+?
+
+Captcha: OPWHN
+--- 21953825
+>>21953794
+what the f*ck, dude? this is a blue board, take your casual racism to /pol/
+I meant woords like naan, nab, nape, nabobery, naevus, nainsook, naltrexones
+but your troll-demon, gutter-dwelling brain went *there*
+that's a big NOPE from me, dawg
+--- 21954875
+>>21953672
+No one gives a fuck retard. I'm gonna read even if it makes you seethe
+--- 21954880
+>>21953789
+that's clearly an asian
+--- 21954884
+>>21953672
+I look like this and I say this
+--- 21954889
+>>21954880
+blasian at best
+--- 21954900
+>>21953672
+What are you supposed to do then? Look at the ceiling?
+--- 21954907
+>>21954889
+no, asian. could be southeastern asian. not everyone with dark skin is black.
+--- 21954946
+>>21954907
+blacks are blacks, doesn't matter where they come from
+--- 21955399
+>>21953670 (OP)
+Me on the right.
+--- 21955410
+>>21953672
+>meanwhile you're probably retaining nothing from the book
+Most quiet rides you can get 2-7 pages in pretty easily and retian mostly well. A quiet 30 minute ride can easily be 15 pages if the train stays empty (day time locals).
+--- 21955415
+>>21954946
+nope. blacks are congoloid.
+--- 21955429
+>>21953670 (OP)
+do you mean niggers?
+--- 21955521
+>people actually missing the joke that the guy in the book is afraid of seeing NIGGER on the page
+Best read and most intellectual board amirite guise
+--- 21957030
+>>21953672
+fpbp

lit/21953691.txt

@@ -19,3 +19,80 @@ I never got my pen license. During my writing test I poked a hole through the pa
 --- 21953756
 >>21953691 (OP)
 America moment
+--- 21953863
+>>21953750
+Agreed.
+t. Taoist
+--- 21953867
+>>21953863
+Teach me thy wisdom O wise sage
+--- 21953871
+>>21953691 (OP)
+OI M8 YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT PEN?
+--- 21953885
+>>21953867
+The ideal society, according to the Tao Te Ching, is one where you have a philosopher shadow emperor sage guy that secretly rules over a bunch of uneducated farmers who don't know how to write or do math without the use of physical objects. Shadow sage man should rule with such subtlety that the people don't even know he exists, and the people should be so content in their lives that they seek nothing outside of their village.
+>In a little state with a small population, I would so order it, that, though there were individuals with the abilities of ten or a hundred men, there should be no employment of them; I would make the people, while looking on death as a grievous thing, yet not remove elsewhere (to avoid it).
+>Though they had boats and carriages, they should have no occasion to ride in them; though they had buff coats and sharp weapons, they should have no occasion to don or use them.
+>I would make the people return to the use of knotted cords (instead of the written characters).
+>They should think their (coarse) food sweet; their (plain) clothes beautiful; their (poor) dwellings places of rest; and their common (simple) ways sources of enjoyment.
+>There should be a neighbouring state within sight, and the voices of the fowls and dogs should be heard all the way from it to us, but I would make the people to old age, even to death, not have any intercourse with it.
+(Tao Te Ching, chapter 80)
+--- 21954143
+>>21953691 (OP)
+I never got mine lol
+--- 21954269
+>>21953691 (OP)
+Why would I want to write in pen?
+I moved directly from pencil to typewriter then on to computers, with each being faster and cleaner for writing.
+Going down to pen is a downgrade from computer typing. Got a fancy mechanical keyboard with satisfying clicky switches and everything.
+--- 21954279
+>>21953691 (OP)
+Wtf is wrong with bongs. Licence this, licence that. I'll feel really. bad when shitposting licences become a thing.
+--- 21954296
+Any resources to improve handwriting? I'm tired of feeling like a retard child when I'm filling administrative documents..
+--- 21954316
+>>21953691 (OP)
+>pen inspection day
+>school calligrapher says my handwriting has deteriorated
+>revokes my pen priviliges
+--- 21954342
+>>21953691 (OP)
+>never attain licensure due to inability for standard grip
+>even given pencils pens with finger drip placement that feel like a different controller, whatever the snes is larger roomier more comfy can adjust but default mode is what I would later use to perfectly hold rollies
+>develop style, bloodline style is smooth rounded curves, I have the swoops but my shapes are inconsistant and halting
+It was a different time
+and ow I must die
+--- 21954366
+>>21954296
+Write fastly and carelessly
+--- 21954424
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ [Embed]
+--- 21954448
+>>21953756
+>Thinks this is an American thing
+Found the low iq shut-in, this is more of a UK, Australia, and New Zealand thing.
+--- 21954453
+>>21953885
+so basically what the WEF wants? 
+>"You'll be happy and you will know nothing."
+--- 21954643
+I gave your mother a pen license
+--- 21954646
+What's harder, the bar or the pen license exam?
+--- 21954650
+>>21954279
+>I'll feel really. bad when shitposting licences become a thing.
+It's already a thing, what do you mean?
+See >>21953871
+--- 21954806
+Can't get into pen island without a license
+--- 21954814
+>>21953756
+HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH retard
+--- 21955768
+>>21954296
+Palmer method
+--- 21957226
+>>21953751
+I managed to stab myself with a pencil when I was younger... Am I doomed to type forever, anons?

lit/21953945.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+-----
+--- 21953945
+Worth a read?
+--- 21953948
+>>21953945 (OP)
+Booba
+--- 21954010
+>>21953945 (OP)
+If you want to make the sickest bangers, yeah
+--- 21954012
+>>21953945 (OP)
+What the fuck is this?
+--- 21954117
+>>21953945 (OP)
+This gives me Jreg and CJtheX vibes
+Probably top tier read
+--- 21954336
+>>21953945 (OP)
+himer simpsen eye ball
+--- 21954709
+>>21954012
+From the symbol and title looks like solar astrology.
+--- 21954728
+>>21953945 (OP)
+I learned absolutely nothing from this book, but it serves as a good reminder for certain ideas and methods. 
+
+It’s worth a read considering it’ll only take a day to get, though it’s better in chunks with breaks in between. You’re better off pirating it unless you like the look of the book (it’s a nice looking book ngl. Feels good in the hand too).
+--- 21954731
+>>21953945 (OP)
+Read the more superior in every way The Meaning of the Creative Act by Berdyaev.
+--- 21955551
+>>21954709
+See what you did there
+--- 21956466
+>>21953945 (OP)
+I'm not kidding that is a solid cover right there
+--- 21957459
+>>21956466
+I don't get it...
+why?
+--- 21957667
+>>21953945 (OP)
+maybe I should read this being that I'm also a musician.

lit/21954031.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,80 @@
+-----
+--- 21954031
+How did it take Odysseus 10 fucking years to go home? Its like a 4 day boat ride
+--- 21954050
+>>21954031 (OP)
+Isthmos was not open yet.
+--- 21954060
+>>21954031 (OP)
+Why didn't the eagles just fly him to Ithaca?
+--- 21954064
+>>21954050
+They could roll boats over it with logs
+--- 21954067
+>>21954031 (OP)
+>How did it take Odysseus 10 fucking years to go home
+
+That's just an excuse he used on Penelope, in reality he could go home any time he wanted but he prefer not to so he could plunder cities, get drunk with his buddy, fuck whores
+--- 21954078
+>>21954031 (OP)
+Because a goddess took him as a dildo for most of that time, and if there ever was a theme in Greek stories, it's that gods' wills are laws and they will have their ways.
+--- 21954091
+>>21954067
+>sorry babe i was caught in traffic for ten fuckin years
+--- 21954098
+>>21954031 (OP)
+He had a lot of sex. Consensual as well as non-consensual sex. Have YOU ever had sex, anon(ette)? I don't think you have had anything akin for you'd understand why it did take him so long to return to his cumswapper of a wife.
+--- 21954386
+>>21954031 (OP)
+That's nothing, it took the Jews forty years for what is a 6 hour car ride LMAO
+--- 21954411
+>>21954098
+don’t think you’ve had sex either with the way you write
+--- 21954452
+>>21954031 (OP)
+He pissed off Poseidon, who called storms upon Odysseus' ships and blew them off course. He was also stuck on Calypso's island for seven years because she wouldn't let him leave.
+--- 21954893
+>>21954031 (OP)
+>>21954060
+Couldn’t fit anything better into the hexameter. Just sounded nice this way.
+--- 21954908
+>>21954386
+Yeah, but that wasn't a straight trip.
+--- 21956123
+>>21954031 (OP)
+the odyssey and the illiad took place in the north of europe and the atlantic
+the ancient greeks were nordic
+--- 21956152
+>>21954067
+>fuck whores
+yeah about that...
+--- 21956166
+I don't know read the fucking book retard that might explain it
+--- 21956211
+>>21954031 (OP)
+>those are modern ship speed
+>the gods literally stranded him for getting too cocky
+
+jesus christ these speed readers
+--- 21956562
+>>21956211
+>modern passenger ship
+>1 shitty propeller
+>trireme
+>170 men rowing PLUS sails
+anyone that thinks the trireme isn't faster is a retard
+--- 21956848
+>>21954031 (OP)
+Not only did they walk slower in the old ancient days (because they were lazier) but they were also a lot SMALLER--thus took SMALLER steps thus were sooooo slow. Imagine ants and then translate that to humans. Don't even get me started on the boats they "built".
+--- 21957040
+>>21956152
+the whores were still women, the boyfucking was for long-term wards, which you can't have on an adventure
+--- 21957229
+>>21954031 (OP)
+>How did it take Odysseus 10 fucking years to go home?
+He stopped for Kirke pussy. Read the poem ffs.
+Also Penelope had 50 simps.
+--- 21957260
+>>21954060
+>Why didn't the eagles just fly him to Ithaca?
+Busy with Prometheus.

lit/21954092.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,41 @@
+-----
+--- 21954092
+Anyone else notice the prevalence of misspellings, not just typos, but outright misspellings, not only in the general fare of this humiliating court, but also that of the everyday internet article on a vast assortment of topics? Is this because of so many time travel operations like in Primer when the fellows can no longer write properly? Are people so inveterately dull now they don't know or care if an entire article or even a headline is rife with unintentional elisions or even quite obvious malapropisms? What is the catalyst for this? Is it all the Transformer Generated content, a xerox-mark byproduct of this ersatz age? I notice that advertisement companies still seem able to spell and write properly, as if they're the few left willing to pay for editors.
+
+Pic unrelated
+--- 21954159
+>>21954092 (OP)
+Yes. Too many people have "learned" English and the language is being corrupted with not only incorrect spelling and grammar, but foreign grammatical constructions transliterated into English. It's time for White people to migrate to a new language.
+--- 21954240
+>>21954159
+like lojban or something? I'd like a language that can't be used for deception, that has a higher calculation ceiling, that can express sensory input as received unambiguously, which is a synechdoche, or fractal in the sense that a portion contains the whole, is compulsorily learned, via any avenue of the sensorium (i.e., even brushing up against the symbols in braille, it is learned in that instant), allows us communication with our own cells, from organ to organelle, and can allow us to bridge the gap between human and animal universally. If we're going to convert, let's make it worthwhile. The current language we use is so disadvantageous to thought, that the moment we're immersed in it, is the same one our own cognition is trapped in a prison. 
+Tbh I think we should just return to the ur-language that everyone uses but doesn't remember.
+--- 21955357
+>>21954240
+Is it possible to tell a joke in Lojban?
+--- 21955367
+>>21954092 (OP)
+Wat u sayin dawg ayo dis bich a$$ ngga b talkin bout spellin an sheet
+--- 21955470
+>>21955357
+no idea, i think there are some lojban memes and a subreddit for it, but i'm a little too inured to the verispellous nature of this prison english to not escape into a wordless soundless space when i am able to flee its dominion. some other language (save one entirely compulsory and seemingly without boundaries as heretofore suggested) would seem as the fire i've fallen into out of this pan.
+
+you know what I mean, all the memories before thought had its faux order, all the senses unrestrained by the pursuit of the word to bind it to its name, this idolatry of the symbol through which flows all perception of time and continuity. Think of that unfocused cry spoken of by Joyce, the one that rises for emotion but has no word, the one that ripples through us for shock, for fear, for joy, for wrath, these sounds that we cannot call or name or breathe without the totality of our being in union to express. this damned vehicle we drive, language, it does not suit. too many accidents on this way, too much pollution, both noise and smog to occlude our hearing and vision, to brusque for that sensitive croon that comes for our babies in the crib, too muted by grief when we comfort the widow. no, it is a meal that never savors, never suffices. language is the sand on my tongue.
+
+but yeah, maybe lojban has jokes, i dunno.
+--- 21955476
+>>21955470
+the joyce line i'm referencing, btw
+
+>The lyrical form is in fact the simplest verbal vesture of an instant of emotion, a rhythmical cry such as ages ago cheered on the man who pulled at the oar or dragged stones up a slope. He who utters it is more conscious of the instant of emotion than of himself as feeling emotion.
+--- 21955479
+>>21954092 (OP)
+Correct spelling has origins in white supremacy. Judging anyone for spelling incorrectly is racist.
+--- 21956680
+boy howdy, /lit/ sucks these days
+--- 21956745
+>>21954092 (OP)
+Did it take you over 30 minutes to write this out?
+--- 21956798
+>>21956745
+no, why? thirty minutes!

lit/21954221.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,258 @@
+-----
+--- 21954221
+Post top 5 and other anons determine if you're a pleb or not. I'll start.
+>Feast of the Goat
+>The Sea-Wolf
+>God-Emperor of Dune
+>Blood Meridian
+>Foucault's Pendulum
+--- 21954711
+>>21954221 (OP)
+>other anons determine if you're a pleb or not
+How will I know they are not plebs?
+--- 21954885
+>>21954221 (OP)
+In no particular order
+>100 years of solitude
+>Moby Dick
+>Gravity’s Rainbow
+>Voss
+>The Turn of the Screw
+--- 21954914
+>>21954711
+By judging their top 5 books. 
+
+1. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone 
+
+2. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 
+
+3. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban 
+
+4. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 
+
+5. Harry Potter and the Deathly hallows
+--- 21954925
+>>21954221 (OP)
+pleb
+--- 21954972
+>>21954885
+Pleb
+--- 21954976
+>you don't have the Sigma Neckbeard
+--- 21954983
+1.Gravity's Rainbow
+2.Spring Snow
+3.Ada
+4.The Red and The Black
+5. Crime and Punishment
+--- 21955030
+>>21954983
+Pleb
+--- 21955037
+Moby Dick
+Farewell My Lovely
+Araminita Station
+Gravity’s Rainbow
+Little Dorrit
+--- 21955042
+>>21954221 (OP)
+>God-Emperor of Dune
+Yea, you're a pleb for having this one.
+--- 21955200
+I've only read four books
+--- 21956102
+>The Secret Garden (Burnett)
+>Othello (Shakespeare)
+>Story of The New Name (Ferrante)
+>White Nights (Dostoevsky)
+>The Things They Carried (O'Brien)
+--- 21956137
+1. Biblia Sacra Vulgata
+2. Euclid's Elements
+3. Ovid's Metamorphoses
+4. Elements of Operator Theory
+5. Divine Comedy
+--- 21956632
+>>21954221 (OP)
+The Brothers Karamazov
+Iliad/Odyssey 
+The Peloponnesian war
+Thus Spoke Zarathustra
+The Campaigns of Alexander (Arrian)
+--- 21956686
+The Brothers Karamazov
+War and Peace
+Memoirs of the baron de marbot: late lieutenant general in the french army 
+Moby dick 
+a canticle for leibowitz
+--- 21956885
+>>21954221 (OP)
+1. The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigg
+2. Fat City
+3. Hunger
+4. Manhattan Transfer
+5. Miss Lonelyhearts
+--- 21957267
+>>21956632
+>thus spoke zarathustra
+faggot
+>>21956137
+youre just picking this shit for the sake of your ego nigga. divine comedy is the only really tasteful thing here
+>>21954221 (OP)
+>>21954885
+>>21954983
+>>21955037
+plebs
+
+mine:
+>almost no memory
+>endgame
+>the devils
+>the vegetarian
+>the changing light at sandover
+--- 21957285
+>>21954711
+OP here I'm not a pleb so I can judge your top 5
+--- 21957311
+>>21957285
+Yes you are.
+--- 21957399
+>>21954221 (OP)
+Lord of the flies
+Wind, Sand and Stars
+The Fountainhead
+The picture of Dorian Gray
+Catcher in the rhye
+--- 21957409
+>>21954221 (OP)
+Pleb.
+
+>>21954885
+Pleb.
+
+>>21954983
+Pleb. (The least worse, but Crime & Punishment and Ada in the same list reeks of tasteless pleb)
+
+>>21955037
+Pleb.
+
+>>21956102
+Pleb.
+
+>>21956137
+Pleb. (No one with real taste like so much classical shit)
+
+>>21956632
+Pleb.
+
+>>21956686
+Pleb.
+
+>>21957267
+Pleb.
+
+Mine:
+>Ada, or Ardor
+>Sentimental Education
+>Lolita
+>The Illiad
+>Salammbô
+--- 21957412
+>>21957267
+Hipster pleb
+--- 21957416
+>>21957409
+Superpleb, literally homeless bum pleb
+--- 21957427
+>>21956686
+>Memoirs of the baron de marbot: late lieutenant general in the french army
+Damn what an intriguing title, what's it about? Is literally just a real diary?
+--- 21957435
+>>21957409
+PLEBIVS MAXIMVS
+--- 21957441
+>>21957267
+>literally all shit
+Holy shit what a pleb. Your list is so bad that I am inclined to think it must be a joke. Faggot.
+--- 21957448
+>>21954885
+>the turn of the screw
+that story is dry as shit
+--- 21957590
+1. The Heart is a Lonely Hunter, Carson McCullers
+2. Winesburg, Ohio, Sherwood Anderson
+3. Gone With the Wind, Margaret Mitchel 
+4. East of Eden, John Steinbeck
+5. Jane Eyre, Charlotte Bronte
+
+>>21954983
+Plebplebpleb. Biggest pleb in the tread so far. Fuck you.
+--- 21957597
+>>21957409
+embarrassing
+--- 21957610
+>>21954221 (OP)
+Clarel
+Shakespeare's plays
+The Sound and the Fury
+Moby Dick
+Don Quixote
+
+In that order
+--- 21957618
+>>21954221 (OP)
+Have you read other books by Vargas Llosa? I found The Feast of the Goat vastly inferior to The Time of the Hero, The Green House and The Conversation in the Cathedral.
+
+In Search of Lost Time
+The Sound and the Fury
+Austerlitz
+War and Peace
+The Sleepwalkers
+--- 21957658
+The Brothers Karamazov
+In Search of Lost Time
+Ulysses
+The Manuscript Found in Saragossa
+Decline and Fall
+--- 21957734
+>>21957409
+In condescending tone:
+How does this one become even more pleb than others?
+--- 21957748
+1) Catcher in The Rye by JD Salinger 
+2) Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk 
+3) Life of Pi by Yann Martel
+4) The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald 
+5) Confessions of a Shopaholic by Sophie Kinsella
+--- 21957762
+War and Peace
+Disgrace
+The Cartel
+American Tabloid
+The Brothers Karamazov
+
+pretty diverse. It fluctuates a lot depending on mood
+--- 21957766
+A top 5 is quite hard, and is likely to change quite a lot. This is a list of the books I think about the most right now.
+Suttree
+The Tartar Steppe
+Don Quixote
+Augustus
+Based on a True Story (Norm MacDonald)
+--- 21957772
+>>21957766
+>>21957766
+>Augustus
+>Based on a True Story (Norm MacDonald)
+--- 21957794
+>>21957748
+3/5ths pleb, so overall a pleb
+--- 21957801
+Every single post in this thread that got a response is definitely pleb, while all the ignored ones are based
+--- 21957826
+>>21957801
+--- 21957835
+>>21957794
+Which ones bro
+
+I am taking notes

lit/21954266.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,29 @@
+-----
+--- 21954266
+A question for the /lit/erate ones: take the opening sentences from O'Connor's "A Good Man is Hard To Find" and Camus' "The Stranger"—
+>The grandmother didn’t want to go to Florida. She wanted to visit some of her connections in east Tennessee and she was seizing at every chance to change Bailey’s mind. Bailey was the son she lived with, her only boy.
+>Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know. I got a telegram from the home: "Mother deceased. Funeral tomorrow. Faithfully yours." That doesn't mean anything. Maybe it was yesterday.
+These are all statements of imagined facts but do these count as "images?" When you imagine and bring yourself to falsely believe that the grandmother didn't want to go to Florida, or that the narrator's mother died yesterday (or whenever), does this count as "casting an image upon the visual imagination"? If in a work of fiction there is a "static" statement like "The pot sat on the side table," this casts an image, but I'm unsure about statements similar to my first two examples
+--- 21954469
+Well, I'll take a stab at this...
+
+"Imagery": Descriptive or figurative language that attempts to evoke mental images by appealing to the reader’s senses of sight, sound, smell, texture, or taste.
+
+The most obvious example of an image is a description of a particular setting: "The pot sat on the side table." This description, of course, can extend beyond sensory information. It can include figurative language: "The pot sat on the side table, poised like ballerina between steps." (Horrible example, but you get the point). Since imagery accepts figurative language, an image can be completely imagined, delusional, or false. Images do not need to be "real" in the sense of actually existing. 
+
+Now, regarding O'Connor and Camus' opening lines, I would say that neither of them constitute images. To me, these lines are plot-driven (and focused on character building), not imagery-driven. I basically don't think the shoe fits here.
+--- 21954533
+>>21954266 (OP)
+>do these count as "images"?
+No.
+
+Here's a novel opening which counts as an image. Read it and see (literally) the difference:
+
+When Farmer Oak smiled, the corners of his mouth spread till they were within an unimportant distance of his ears, his eyes were reduced to chinks, and diverging wrinkles appeared round them, extending upon his countenance like the rays in a rudimentary sketch of the rising sun.
+
+['Far From The Madding Crowd']
+--- 21955990
+boomp
+--- 21955997
+>>21954266 (OP)
+Not doing your final paper for you, anon.

lit/21954311.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,186 @@
+-----
+--- 21954311
+is chadgpt a good tool for research? I've tried to use to summarize stuff to me but it only gave me surface level shortish explanations
+--- 21954394
+>>21954311 (OP)
+It's just what Google search was ten years ago. And this is as useful as it will ever be, because they will continue to lobotomize it and use it for advertising.
+--- 21954437
+>>21954394
+You have not even the slightest idea of its capabilities.
+--- 21954456
+It’s gotten to the level of a college freshman huffing his own bullshit.
+
+It will just go off on stuff and act authoritative about things that are blatantly wrong. It’s open to being corrected but what happens if you’re actually naive and trusting it for this information? I don’t think this a world-ending issue but I do worry about the general level of misunderstanding which will come about if people begin to replace their google use with Chatgpt on a mass scale.
+--- 21954460
+>>21954456
+--- 21954462
+>>21954456
+ChatGPT 3 is confidently wrong about things because it just regurgitates things others have said. It doesn't actually know what its talking about and the set of data it pulls from is (relatively) low.
+These are all incremental problems. GPT4 massively expands its language processing, memory, and data learnset is just an issue of time spent processing and memory storage.
+The ability to interact with a human-like speaker when researching information is going to be a great thing for future generations as people will maybe learn some goddamn social skills.
+--- 21954468
+>>21954460
+Did you think the chatbot had ancient courtly Japanese as a font/text option, anon?
+--- 21954470
+On the other hand it does have flashes were it does something cool. It wrote this poem for me unprompted when I was giving it other examples of Japanese poetry. 
+This is actually fairly good and it follows in line with a conversation in Waka that we had been talking about. It decided to misattribute it to one of the poets instead of just claiming it itself though.
+
+Do you know
+the heart that is alone
+even amid the autumn mists
+that rise so deep and clear
+over the palace in the hills?
+
+Do you know
+the way the pearls lie,
+deep and still,
+in the darkness of the sea
+though pierced by a diver's knife?
+
+Do you know
+the lonely way the stars
+shine brightly in the night
+over the marshes where the iris blooms,
+unknown to any soul?
+
+Do you know
+the sound of the harp
+hidden away in a chest,
+its strings still untouched,
+that echoes in my heart?
+--- 21954476
+>>21954468
+When it’s a work that’s in the public domain and hosted at like a billion different places on the web for free, then ya I kind of do.
+--- 21954491
+>>21954311 (OP)
+No, it's pretty bad.
+
+>>21954394
+Google ten years ago didn't invent scientific papers on the spot.
+
+>>21954437
+Yes it will replace every job and synthesise matter out of nothing and eradicate humanity etc. etc. Just two more weeks bro.
+
+>>21954456
+"Africa" really was written in Latin. Lol
+--- 21954496
+>>21954491
+It was written in Latin, but when I prompt the bit for the opening lines it quoting me Italian for some reason. It’s the same problem with Japanese stuff - it will make up this weird pastiche of modern and archaic and I have no idea where it’s getting it.
+--- 21954501
+>>21954496
+Am I actually dumb or is that not Italian?
+--- 21954524
+I hope ChatGPT will crash and burn. Either under legal or social scrutiny. It's not even about the literature aspect, I just don't forsee a future in which the good outweighs the bad that will come as a product of normalizing AI, much less the biased, inaccurate trainwreck that is OpenAI.
+--- 21954546
+>>21954311 (OP)
+Don't use it for summaries, use it to find quotes in long books.
+--- 21954563
+>>21954524
+ChatGPT isn't AI.
+Fearmongering is a symptom of ignorance, not enlightenment.
+
+>>21954496
+Its getting it from its language model. It doesn't delineate fact from fiction - it has no method of doing this beyond weight inputs - it just says things that make sense within the logic of its language model and based on how it learned speech from its input data sets. Most analysis of Latin source texts is likely in Italian and nearly all analysis of ancient courtly Japanese is in modern Japanese, so its going to bleed the two over.
+I don't really understand what's so confusing about this, it doesn't give you factual answers it just processes language. You came so close to realizing this when it spat you out an entirely original, coherent work of poetry.
+--- 21954578
+>>21954501
+It's definitely Italian and the meaning has nothing to do with what Petrarca wrote.
+
+>>21954524
+I'd say it's more likely it'll just fizzle out. The hype will stay for a long time, it's a cult, while the reality will go down the more boring route (some fields of work will be somewhat affected, some less so, many not at all).
+I mean I'd have nothing against AI completely overturning the economy, since I'm a NEET with nothing to lose, but I just don't see it happening with the current models.
+--- 21954583
+>>21954476
+... why? Nothing that you just said would suggest that it would have an entire data set of ancient courtly Japanese that it had been specifically trained on. What are you even talking about? You do realize that ChatGPT itself doesn't actively learn and has no connection to the internet by default, yeah?
+--- 21954590
+>nobody answered my original question
+--- 21954597
+>>21954311 (OP)
+No. It might be a good tool for doing unequivocally right or wrong stuff like math equations. But as soon as Chatgpt must try to think on its own or come up with its own ideas, you can easily bully it into saying anything you want. I still use it for surface level stuff like making lists though.
+--- 21954614
+>>21954590
+Its really just good for language processing, especially GPT3. Writing copy, making lists, schedules, planning, anything that would equate to busywork in a word or .pdf processor.
+You can also use it to power-read very simple books as long as it actually knows them - self help, hobby books, basically anything expository on the mass market.
+Its a good alternative to Google when you're broaching a subject that you don't know enough to even begin researching but its not suitable for anything specialized.
+--- 21954633
+>>21954597
+>It might be a good tool for doing unequivocally right or wrong stuff like math equations
+--- 21954636
+>>21954563
+I don’t think it’s confusing, I’m saying this behavior is problematic as there’s a fundamental disconnect between how these tools and their uses are portrayed in pop culture and what the machines are actually doing.
+
+I appreciate your explanation, but obviously you realize you’re not a person in danger of misusing these tools. I’m currently in university classes and people are talking about using these to write summaries or to collate information - that IS a problem. That use is obviously not going to work when it is doing things above like making up random Italian verse and calling it Petrarch.
+
+For what it’s worth I’m quite fond of the poem it wrote.
+--- 21954641
+>>21954633
+>people genuinely think this thing is at the point where it can take over humanity and automate every job
+--- 21954652
+>>21954524
+It will obliterate the trillion dollar makework job industry and usher in an era of brutal honesty. That is just about the greatest good you could do for humanity in the long run. It won’t replace anyone with a legitimate job, not for a long time, possibly never.
+--- 21954657
+>>21954583
+I’m not asking it to talk to me like I’m a fucking Heike court lady. I’m asking it to quote texts that are in the public domain and easily sourced, and it replies with bullshit that it made up. This seems like a relevant gripe since we’re talking about using these tools for research. 
+I realize you think you’re smarter than everyone else, so how about trying to read context some time.
+
+>if stemfags could do that we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place
+--- 21954702
+>>21954652
+>It will obliterate the trillion dollar makework job industry and usher in an era of brutal honesty.
+So we're all getting UBI right? And the STEMfags are going to pay for it? The Boomer retiree-NEET alliance is coming and it will put (You) to work solving IT tickets until you die
+--- 21954721
+>>21954636
+>pop culture is retarded and that's the technology's problem
+Anon
+Pop culture has literally ALWAYS been retarded. Large Language Models are an emerging technology and are being rapidly improved and refined. I don't know what you think the people developing ChatGPT are supposed to be doing about the masses being too stupid to breathe.
+--- 21954747
+>>21954546
+Dunno if that's what you meant, but I just told it to find quotes that talk about a specific character and it gave me made up quotes that I couldn't find anywhere in the book or online
+--- 21954760
+I tried using it for C++ code, it's not great. Over 50% of the code so far was wrong, I'm more productive without it.
+--- 21954764
+>>21954657
+Anon, it cannot quote in a language that it
+A: it has not been trained on
+B: the font does not exist for
+Ancient court Japanese is not just modern Japanese but old timey, its an entirely different symbology and not one that its language model is designed to handle. Its still a program displaying characters from a bank on a screen, its not writing the words down in real time dude.
+>I realize you think you’re smarter than everyone else, so how about trying to read context some time.
+The absolute brutal irony of typing these words when you're essentially asking a machine to reference information it doesn't have.
+--- 21954802
+>>21954764
+You’re talking out of your ass. It’s famously written in Hiragana (Murasaki is the ur-example of the script) - there’s a few extra syllables like ゐ that aren’t used in modern Japanese but they’re still in standard Japanese keyboards and displayable on screen. Have fun strawmanning me though techtard.
+--- 21954803
+>>21954760
+Have you tried Copilot? It's better than I expected. Many misses but some unexpected hits and it's good at certain refactoring tasks. (Not sure if I'd pay for it though.)
+I wouldn't want a chatbot to help me program, autocomplete can at least see the rest of the file and have a basic idea of the context.
+
+>>21954764
+>when you're essentially asking a machine to reference information it doesn't have
+Usually when I do this the machine tells me it doesn't have the information.
+LLMs' level of shameless bullshitting is unexpected. It's not writing what a human would write, i.e. "I don't know". Yes, I know why it happens, but I don't think it's a priori obvious that it'd be this bad even knowing the underlying mechanism.
+--- 21954807
+>>21954802
+And I’m not asking it to compose in this idiom either, I am (and I will again call your attention to the topic of this conversation) asking it to provide quotes from the text. In fact, composition is the opposite of what I want to do.
+--- 21954817
+>>21954583
+>Nothing that you just said would suggest that it would have an entire data set of ancient courtly Japanese that it had been specifically trained on.
+He pointed out the texts should be in public domain, i.e. typical material for machine learning. OpenAI wasn't very selective in their training materials, it's known e.g. that certain nonsense strings are "known" by GPT but it can't actually deal with them and connect them with other text; it's usually some random bits of code or usernames from reddit. So I wouldn't find it weird if they also fed it all sorts of stuff from Gutenberg and similar.
+
+>>21954721
+Nta but the retardation has been consciously stoked by the developers themselves. The very terminology - neural networks, artificial intelligence, machine learning, mistakes labelled as mere 'hallucinations' - has shaped how the public views the tech, by portraying it as more humanlike and more intelligent than it really is.
+Note also how it started constantly excusing itself, warning you that it's only a chatbot, etc. While on the surface that seems like it should remind people to be more skeptical towards the content it produces, in truth it reinforces the idea that the chatbot is intelligent, self-conscious, and a legitimate source of knowledge. It first states what it was deliberately programmed to, the truth that it's just a language model, but then it still goes on the make shit up with the same tone and degree of authority. If the developers actually wanted people to be aware of how it works and how reliable it is, they would've written up disclaimers on their own, explaining in great detail the mechanics behind the program, etc.
+They're not doing any of that, of course, because the hype makes money.
+--- 21954850
+>>21954311 (OP)
+No. Why would you even try that? That's like reading sparknotes and thinking you understand the original text at all. You would actually be better off just reading the abstracts of research papers, but I guess you can't be bothered to do even that.
+--- 21954874
+>>21954764
+>>21954802
+And just to come back a third time and clarify, you’re thinking of 当字 writing, like in the Nihon Shoki which predates Genji by half a millennium and has no kana at all. Even that is renderable by a computer and hosted in a billion places in the common domain because Japanese nationalists are fucking prolific: here’s the source text of the first part: http://kodainippon.com/2019/07/11/日本書紀%E3%80%80原文/
+--- 21956131
+>>21954311 (OP)
+>is chadgpt a good tool for research
+Same as wikipedia, it could be trolling you so be careful ._.
+--- 21956157
+>>21954874
+That doesn't mean that ChatGPT even has the font for that text, or is trained on the original language, or has the original source text in its input data. I don't know how to make this easier for you to understand; ChatGPT is not plugged into the entire internet and is not language-trained on every single language to have ever existed. If it is language trained in modern Japanese and the vast majority of scholarship on Genji is in modern Japanese - two very likely predicates but honestly I don't know if ChatGPT even knows Japanese particularly well - then it is going to see a closer linguistic link between anything relating to the text and a modern Japanese translation. It has no way of evaluating what is truthfully the original text or not and may not even be able to render it.

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+--- 21954320
+the second book is boring me to tears. I just want to know more about the aliens in the sea. When does this get good?
+--- 21954333
+Filtered.
+--- 21954722
+I like book 2 but third book goes wild
+--- 21955148
+>>21954320 (OP)
+end of book 2 and start of book 3 are the lore-heaviest
+--- 21955166
+>>21954320 (OP)
+All books are boring when compared to making money, being in good company or having sex.
+--- 21955224
+>>21954320 (OP)
+go back to /tv/ and beg for an adaptation(that you'll hate). The real /lit/any of chads don't like this trash.
+--- 21955256
+>>21955166
+>All books are boring when compared to making money, being in good company or having sex.
+I've had all these. Nothing compares to reading a masterpiece.
+--- 21955493
+>>21955224
+it's considered the best science fantasy series on this board.
+--- 21955526
+>>21954320 (OP)
+I was riveted during the second book when he goes into the mountain like a dumbass and gets attacked by troglodytes. It kind of drags when they get captured, but the whole part in the house of the autarch is a trip.
+--- 21955698
+>>21955493
+>he typed furiously, with tears welling in his eyes
+--- 21955758
+>>21955698
+kek
+--- 21955764
+>>21955526
+Jonas' fable is so good though. 
+
+>>21955224
+It would be a huge mistake to want an adaptation.
+--- 21956612
+>>21954320 (OP)
+You can't really explain it without ruining it but you just have to slog through to the end for it to make sense. It doesn't feel like it the first time through but it's meant to be read multiple times. For the first time just get through it and take what you can get.

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+--- 21954345
+Hi, I saw this book on a list of most philosophical texts, and I've already read a couple works by Joyce, so I'm hoping to read Ulysses over the summer and do an independent study on it at my college. I was hoping to have the study focused on philosophical aspects of the book, as philosophy, as opposed to history and people drama is what I'm most interested in. Philosophers who people have written secondaries on pertaining to Ulysses, which I've found, include Stirner, Nietzsche, Heidegger, and not a philosopher, but Lacan. I'm wondering if anyone knows any other good sources. Other philosophers in the vein of Hegel, Sartre, or any other philosopher who it is pertinent to read pertaining to Joyce, is welcome.
+--- 21954418
+Derrida, Ulysses Gramophone
+--- 21954495
+>>21954418
+I wish this was in English
+--- 21954975
+bumpo
+--- 21954996
+>>21954345 (OP)
+There’s a collection of essays on Ulysses published under the name Multiple Joyce. Breddy gud imo
+--- 21955046
+>>21954345 (OP)
+Giambattista Vico. Joyce was a big fan
+--- 21955911
+Bump
+--- 21955923
+I'm confused as to what you're saying here but in terms of philosophers which influenced Joyce, Aristotle and Aquinas are the biggest influences
+--- 21956746
+>>21956699
+The stupidity of this post caused the COVID pandemic.