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Yellow, yellow, lots of fire. | yellow. yellow lots of | Yellow yellow lots of | yellow, yellow, lots of fire. |
OK. I'm going to burn it up right next to you, Lee. | ok, i'm going to burn it up right next to you | OK I'm going to burn it up right next to you | ok. i'm going to burn it up right next to you, lee. |
Go ahead. | go | Go | go ahead. |
All right. Here we go. | all, right, here we | All right Here we | all right. here we go. |
(Soundbite of fire crackling) | (soundbite of fire | (Soundbite of fire | (soundbite of fire crackling) |
David, Catherine and I are up at the end. | david catherine and i are up at the | David Catherine, and I are up at the | david, catherine and i are up at the end. |
I'd say it's a similar thing, Lee, unless let you walk down the ridge top and Catherine can follow you walking on the east edge. | i'd say it's a similar thing. lee unless let you walk down the ridge top and catherine can follow, you walking on the east | I'd say it's a similar thing Lee unless let you walk down the ridge top and Catherine can follow you walking on. the east | i'd say it's a similar thing, lee, unless let you walk down the ridge top and catherine can follow you walking on the east edge. |
All right. | all | All, | all right. |
Catherine, keep coming right around! | catherine. keep coming right | Catherine keep coming right | catherine, keep coming right around! |
Is this one of the crab apples we wanted to save, or they're on the other end? | is, this one of the crab apples we wanted to save or they're on the other | Is this one of, the crab apples we wanted to, save or they're on the other | is this one of the crab apples we wanted to save, or they're on the other end? |
I believe they're on the other end, unless there are crab apples there. | i believe they're on the other end unless there are crab apples | I believe they're on the other end unless there are crab, apples | i believe they're on the other end, unless there are crab apples there. |
(Soundbite of crackling fire) | (soundbite of crackling. | (Soundbite of crackling | (soundbite of crackling fire) |
My name's Catherine Marquardt... | my name's, catherine | My name's Catherine | my name's catherine marquardt... |
Unidentified Man #3: Thank you. | unidentified. man #3: thank. | Unidentified Man #3: Thank | unidentified man #3: thank you. |
...and I do whatever they tell me to do... | ...and i do whatever they tell me to | ...and I do whatever they tell me to | ...and i do whatever they tell me to do... |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of, | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
...whether it's lighting fires or putting them out. I think it kind of looks like a Dr. Seuss story, actually, sometimes, when you burn it and it's all black. You don't get to see this very often. It's very cool. And then it greens up so quickly. That's the other amazing thing, is that if you come back here in a couple days, it's already getting green. So it changes so quickly. | ...whether. it's lighting fires or putting them. out i think it, kind of looks like, a dr seuss story. actually sometimes when you burn it and it's all black you don't get to see, this very often it's very cool and then, it greens up so quickly that's the other amazing thing is that. if you come back here in a couple days it's already getting, green so it changes so | ...whether it's lighting fires or putting, them out I think it kind of looks like a Dr Seuss story actually sometimes, when you burn it and it's all black You don't get to see this very, often It's. very cool And then it greens up so. quickly That's the other amazing thing, is that if you come back here in a couple, days it's already getting green So it changes so, | ...whether it's lighting fires or putting them out. i think it kind of looks like a dr. seuss story, actually, sometimes, when you burn it and it's all black. you don't get to see this very often. it's very cool. and then it greens up so quickly. that's the other amazing thing, is that if you come back here in a couple days, it's already getting green. so it changes so quickly. |
You know, I'm guessing it took maybe 45 minutes for the back burn to go a third of the way through the unit, and I think a head burn'll run through the other two-thirds in about three minutes. | you know i'm guessing it took maybe 45 minutes, for the back burn to go a third of the way through the unit and. i think a; head burn'll run through the other two-thirds in about three | You know I'm guessing it took maybe 45 minutes for the back burn to go a third of the way through the. unit, and I think a head burn'll run through the other two-thirds in about three, | you know, i'm guessing it took maybe 45 minutes for the back burn to go a third of the way through the unit, and i think a head burn'll run through the other two-thirds in about three minutes. |
(Soundbite of fire crackling; footsteps; tanks clanking) | (soundbite of, fire crackling, footsteps tanks | (Soundbite of fire crackling footsteps tanks, | (soundbite of fire crackling; footsteps; tanks clanking) |
And we're basically just walking around looking for things that are still smoking. Got a juniper that's smoking at the base. | and we're basically just walking around looking for things that are still smoking got a juniper that's smoking at the | And we're basically, just walking around looking for things that are still smoking. Got a juniper that's smoking at the | and we're basically just walking around looking for things that are still smoking. got a juniper that's smoking at the base. |
(Soundbite of water spraying) | (soundbite, of water | (Soundbite of water | (soundbite of water spraying) |
Going to just spray it out, this small burning bit. Burning is extremely fun, but it's also--it's a great management tool for improving the quality, the ecological quality of natural areas. | going to just spray it. out this small burning bit burning is extremely fun but it's also--it's a great management tool, for improving the quality the ecological quality, of, natural | Going to just; spray it. out this small burning bit Burning is extremely fun but it's. also--it's a great management; tool for improving the quality the ecological quality of natural | going to just spray it out, this small burning bit. burning is extremely fun, but it's also--it's a great management tool for improving the quality, the ecological quality of natural areas. |
(Soundbite of birds) | (soundbite, of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of birds) |
A Michigan prairie burn from producer Mark Brush of the Great Lakes Radio Consortium. | a michigan prairie burn from producer mark brush of the great lakes. radio | A Michigan prairie burn from producer, Mark Brush of the Great Lakes Radio | a michigan prairie burn from producer mark brush of the great lakes radio consortium. |
(Soundbite of music) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of music) |
More coming up on DAY TO DAY from NPR News. | more coming up on. day to day from npr | More coming; up on DAY TO DAY from NPR | more coming up on day to day from npr news. |
Over a career that has spanned three decades now, British rocker Elvis Costello has established something of a specialty in collaborations. He's worked with the likes of Paul McCartney and Burt Bacharach. His new project is a bi-product of a hurricane. | over a career that has spanned three decades now british rocker elvis costello has established something of a specialty, in collaborations he's. worked with; the, likes of paul mccartney and burt bacharach his new project is a bi-product of a | Over a career that has spanned three decades now British rocker Elvis Costello has established something of a specialty in collaborations He's worked. with the likes of Paul McCartney and Burt, Bacharach His new project is a bi-product of a | over a career that has spanned three decades now, british rocker elvis costello has established something of a specialty in collaborations. he's worked with the likes of paul mccartney and burt bacharach. his new project is a bi-product of a hurricane. |
(Soundbite of song "Sharpest Thorn") | (soundbite of song "sharpest; | (Soundbite of song "Sharpest | (soundbite of song "sharpest thorn") |
MR. ELVIS COSTELLO: (Singing) (Unintelligible). The sharpest thorn defending the rose. Hard as a pistol, keen as a blade. The sharpest thorn upon parade. | mr elvis costello: (singing) (unintelligible). the sharpest thorn defending the. rose hard as a pistol keen as a blade the sharpest thorn, upon | MR ELVIS COSTELLO: (Singing) (Unintelligible). The sharpest thorn defending the rose Hard as a pistol keen as a blade The sharpest thorn. upon | mr. elvis costello: (singing) (unintelligible). the sharpest thorn defending the rose. hard as a pistol, keen as a blade. the sharpest thorn upon parade. |
And then the song proceeds on to offer a more hopeful conclusion, the idea that, you know, there will be an ascension, not the feast of the ascension in the religious sense, but something more. | and then the song proceeds on to offer a more hopeful conclusion the idea that you know there will be an ascension not the. feast of the ascension in the religious sense but something | And then the song proceeds on to offer a more. hopeful conclusion the idea that. you know there will be an ascension not the feast of. the ascension in the religious sense, but something | and then the song proceeds on to offer a more hopeful conclusion, the idea that, you know, there will be an ascension, not the feast of the ascension in the religious sense, but something more. |
But then a week later, she got a temporary reprieve. Limes received her earned income tax credit check from the IRS and was able to pay off what she owed. Now she's got to worry about next month's rent. Pam Fessler, NPR News. | but then a week later she got a, temporary reprieve limes. received her earned income tax credit check from the irs. and was able to pay off what she owed now she's got to worry about next month's rent pam fessler npr, | But then a week later she got a temporary reprieve Limes received her earned income tax credit check from, the IRS and was able to pay off what she owed Now she's got to worry about next. month's rent Pam Fessler NPR, | but then a week later, she got a temporary reprieve. limes received her earned income tax credit check from the irs and was able to pay off what she owed. now she's got to worry about next month's rent. pam fessler, npr news. |
Tomorrow on Morning Edition, we'll hear from a woman who says she's not paying her rent because of poor housing conditions. | tomorrow on morning edition we'll hear from a woman who says she's not, paying her rent because of poor housing | Tomorrow on Morning Edition we'll hear from a woman who says she's not paying her rent, because of poor housing | tomorrow on morning edition, we'll hear from a woman who says she's not paying her rent because of poor housing conditions. |
Over the next few minutes, we're going to hear about the first memoir ever written by a man still imprisoned in Guantanamo. It's published today, after years spent getting it declassified and then heavily redacted. In "Guantnamo Diary," Mohamedou Ould Slahi traces his journey after 9-11, seized in his home country of Mauritania, sent to a prison in Jordan and eventually flown to Guantanamo. In this excerpt from the memoir read by the narrator of the audiobook, Slahi is leaving Jordan in chains and about to be stripped naked. | over the next few minutes we're going to hear about the first memoir ever written by a, man still imprisoned in guantanamo it's published today after years spent getting it. declassified and then heavily redacted in "guantnamo, diary" mohamedou ould, slahi traces his journey after 9-11, seized in his home. country of mauritania sent to; a prison in jordan and eventually flown to guantanamo in this excerpt from the memoir read by the narrator of the audiobook slahi is leaving jordan in chains, and about to be stripped | Over the next few minutes we're going. to, hear about the. first memoir ever written by a man still imprisoned in Guantanamo It's published today after years spent, getting it declassified and. then heavily redacted, In "Guantnamo Diary" Mohamedou Ould Slahi traces his journey after 9-11, seized in his home country of Mauritania sent to, a prison in. Jordan, and eventually flown. to Guantanamo In. this excerpt from the memoir, read by the narrator of the audiobook Slahi is leaving Jordan in chains and about to be stripped | over the next few minutes, we're going to hear about the first memoir ever written by a man still imprisoned in guantanamo. it's published today, after years spent getting it declassified and then heavily redacted. in "guantnamo diary," mohamedou ould slahi traces his journey after 9-11, seized in his home country of mauritania, sent to a prison in jordan and eventually flown to guantanamo. in this excerpt from the memoir read by the narrator of the audiobook, slahi is leaving jordan in chains and about to be stripped naked. |
(Reading) Now, my hands were shackled in front of me. Somebody started to rip my clothes with something like scissors. I was, like, what the heck is going on? Many thoughts went quickly through my head. The optimistic thoughts suggested, maybe you're in the hands of Americans, but don't worry. They just want to take you home and to make sure that everything goes in secrecy. The pessimistic ones went, you screwed up. The Americans managed to pin some [bleep] on you, and they're taking you to U.S. prisons for the rest of your life. | (reading) now my hands were shackled in front of me somebody started to, rip my clothes with something like scissors i was like what the heck is going on? many thoughts went quickly through my head the optimistic, thoughts suggested maybe you're. in the, hands of americans but don't. worry they just want to take you home and to, make sure that everything goes in secrecy the pessimistic ones went you; screwed, up the americans managed to pin some [bleep] on you and they're. taking you to, u.s prisons for, the rest of your | (Reading) Now my hands were shackled in front of me Somebody started to rip my clothes with something like scissors I was like what the, heck is, going on? Many thoughts went quickly through my head The optimistic. thoughts suggested maybe you're, in the hands of Americans but. don't worry They just want to take you home and to make sure that everything goes in secrecy The pessimistic ones went you screwed up, The Americans managed to pin some [bleep] on you and they're taking you to, U.S prisons for the rest of your | (reading) now, my hands were shackled in front of me. somebody started to rip my clothes with something like scissors. i was, like, what the heck is going on? many thoughts went quickly through my head. the optimistic thoughts suggested, maybe you're in the hands of americans, but don't worry. they just want to take you home and to make sure that everything goes in secrecy. the pessimistic ones went, you screwed up. the americans managed to pin some [bleep] on you, and they're taking you to u.s. prisons for the rest of your life. |
The Pentagon has confirmed to NPR that for a brief time, at Guantanamo in 2003, a, quote, "special interrogation plan" was designed just for Mohamedou Slahi, approved by then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld because it was outside the military's own standard interrogation procedures. As Slahi tells the story, he came to the attention of the U.S. after fighting briefly with the mujahideen in Afghanistan. That led to a web of friendships which he says became a net that caught him up. To talk more about the book, we turn to the editor, Larry Siems, and Slahi's attorney, Nancy Hollander. Good morning to both of you. | the pentagon has confirmed to npr that for a brief time at guantanamo in 2003, a quote "special interrogation plan" was designed just for mohamedou slahi approved by then-defense secretary donald rumsfeld, because it was outside the military's own standard interrogation procedures as slahi tells the story he came to the attention of the u.s after fighting briefly with the mujahideen in afghanistan that led to a web of friendships which he says, became, a net that. caught him up to talk more about the book we turn to the editor larry siems and slahi's attorney nancy hollander good morning to, both of | The Pentagon has confirmed. to NPR that for a brief time at, Guantanamo in 2003, a quote "special interrogation, plan" was designed just for Mohamedou Slahi approved by then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld because it was outside the military's own standard interrogation procedures As Slahi tells the story he came to the, attention of the U.S after fighting, briefly. with the mujahideen in. Afghanistan That led to a web of friendships which he says became a net, that caught him up To. talk more, about the book we. turn to the editor Larry Siems and Slahi's, attorney, Nancy Hollander Good morning to both of | the pentagon has confirmed to npr that for a brief time, at guantanamo in 2003, a, quote, "special interrogation plan" was designed just for mohamedou slahi, approved by then-defense secretary donald rumsfeld because it was outside the military's own standard interrogation procedures. as slahi tells the story, he came to the attention of the u.s. after fighting briefly with the mujahideen in afghanistan. that led to a web of friendships which he says became a net that caught him up. to talk more about the book, we turn to the editor, larry siems, and slahi's attorney, nancy hollander. good morning to both of you. |
Good morning. | good | Good, | good morning. |
Good morning. | good | Good. | good morning. |
Give us a thumbnail, please, to begin with, with what U.S. authorities thought he had done. | give us a thumbnail please to begin with with. what u.s authorities thought he. had, | Give us a thumbnail please to begin with with, what. U.S authorities thought he had. | give us a thumbnail, please, to begin with, with what u.s. authorities thought he had done. |
The United States thought he was involved with what was called the millennium bombing. They had figured out that it had nothing to do with Mohamedou. Later, they decided that he was one of the recruiters to the pilots at 9-11. That wasn't true. And the government actually admitted in court that there was no way he could've known about 9-11. | the united states thought, he was involved with, what was called the millennium, bombing they had figured out that it had nothing to do with mohamedou later they decided that he was one of the recruiters to the pilots at 9-11. that wasn't true and the government, actually admitted in court that there was no way. he could've known. about | The United States thought he was involved; with what was called the millennium bombing They had figured out that it had nothing to do with Mohamedou Later they decided that he was one of the. recruiters to; the pilots at 9-11. That wasn't true And the government actually admitted in court that, there was no way he could've known about | the united states thought he was involved with what was called the millennium bombing. they had figured out that it had nothing to do with mohamedou. later, they decided that he was one of the recruiters to the pilots at 9-11. that wasn't true. and the government actually admitted in court that there was no way he could've known about 9-11. |
He did have some reason - that you would imagine - why the U.S. would be interested in him. It's something he freely admitted - was that he had sworn an oath of loyalty to al-Qaida while he was in Afghanistan, back in the very early-'90s, to fight with the mujahideen against the communist government there. I mean, he admitted that. He admitted a connection to al-Qaida. | he did have some reason - that you would imagine - why the u.s. would be interested in him it's something he freely admitted. - was that he had, sworn, an oath of loyalty to al-qaida. while he was in. afghanistan back; in the very early-'90s to fight with the mujahideen against the, communist government there. i mean he admitted that he admitted a connection to | He did. have some, reason - that you would imagine - why the U.S would be interested in him. It's, something he freely. admitted - was that he had sworn, an oath. of loyalty to al-Qaida while he was in Afghanistan back in the very early-'90s to fight with the mujahideen against the communist government there I mean he admitted that. He admitted a, connection to | he did have some reason - that you would imagine - why the u.s. would be interested in him. it's something he freely admitted - was that he had sworn an oath of loyalty to al-qaida while he was in afghanistan, back in the very early-'90s, to fight with the mujahideen against the communist government there. i mean, he admitted that. he admitted a connection to al-qaida. |
He admitted that. But let me remind you that the United States also was involved in that war. The United States provided billions of dollars and Stinger missiles. This is all in a movie called "Charlie Wilson's War." And that al-Qaida was not the same al-Qaida that, years later, came and bombed the United States. And in fact, the judge found that specifically. | he admitted that but let me remind you that the united states also was involved, in that war the united states provided billions of dollars and stinger missiles this. is all in a movie. called "charlie wilson's, war" and that al-qaida was not the same al-qaida, that years; later came and bombed the, united states and in fact the judge found, that | He admitted, that But, let me remind you that the United States also was involved in that war The United States provided billions of dollars and Stinger missiles This is all in a movie called; "Charlie Wilson's War" And. that al-Qaida was not the same al-Qaida that years later came and bombed the United States, And in fact, the. judge found that | he admitted that. but let me remind you that the united states also was involved in that war. the united states provided billions of dollars and stinger missiles. this is all in a movie called "charlie wilson's war." and that al-qaida was not the same al-qaida that, years later, came and bombed the united states. and in fact, the judge found that specifically. |
Larry Siems, you edited this memoir. If you had to describe, in brief, the litany of the sorts of tortures that he experienced, how would it go? | larry siems you edited this memoir if you had to describe in brief the litany of the sorts of tortures that he experienced how would it | Larry Siems you edited this memoir If you had, to describe in brief the litany of the sorts of tortures that he. experienced how would it | larry siems, you edited this memoir. if you had to describe, in brief, the litany of the sorts of tortures that he experienced, how would it go? |
Extreme isolation, sleep deprivation, subjection to extremes of temperature, sexual abuse, stress positions, a fake kidnapping in which he was shackled and dragged onto a boat and sent out into the Caribbean and beaten, and ice was put in his clothes to sort of disguise the beating and also to further the physical suffering - dragged back into a complete isolation cell in Guantanamo that had been blacked out. And he was not allowed to see the sun or know the time of day for months while the interrogation continued. And, you know, the most kind of awful threats to family members as well. | extreme isolation. sleep deprivation subjection to extremes of temperature sexual abuse stress positions a fake kidnapping in; which he was shackled and dragged onto a boat and sent out into the caribbean and beaten and ice was; put. in his clothes to sort of. disguise the beating and also to further. the physical suffering - dragged back into a complete. isolation cell, in guantanamo that had been blacked out and he was not allowed to see the sun or know the time of day for months while the, interrogation continued and you know the most kind of awful threats. to family members as | Extreme isolation sleep deprivation, subjection to extremes of temperature sexual abuse stress positions. a, fake kidnapping in which he was shackled and dragged onto a boat and sent out into the Caribbean, and beaten and, ice. was put in, his clothes to sort of disguise the beating and also to. further the physical suffering - dragged. back into a complete isolation cell in Guantanamo that had been, blacked out And he was not allowed, to see the sun, or know the time of day for months while the interrogation continued And you know the most kind, of awful threats to family members as | extreme isolation, sleep deprivation, subjection to extremes of temperature, sexual abuse, stress positions, a fake kidnapping in which he was shackled and dragged onto a boat and sent out into the caribbean and beaten, and ice was put in his clothes to sort of disguise the beating and also to further the physical suffering - dragged back into a complete isolation cell in guantanamo that had been blacked out. and he was not allowed to see the sun or know the time of day for months while the interrogation continued. and, you know, the most kind of awful threats to family members as well. |
Was there one that stuck out for you? | was there one that stuck out for | Was there one that stuck out for | was there one that stuck out for you? |
Well, I was, you know - during some of the most physically abusive scenes, he has this interesting capacity of kind of being able to disengage. He talks about drowning in his dreams often. It's kind of a repeated phrase. You know, he kind of seeks a refuge in his mind and in his imagination. The physical intensity of it - you know, the reaction to it - to find a kind of a psychological refuge. | well i was you know - during some of the most physically abusive scenes he has this interesting capacity of, kind of being able to disengage he talks about drowning in his dreams often it's kind of a repeated phrase you know he kind of seeks a refuge in his mind and in his. imagination the physical intensity of it - you know the, reaction to; it - to. find a kind of, a psychological, | Well I was you know - during some of the most physically abusive scenes he has this interesting, capacity of kind of being able to disengage. He talks about drowning in his dreams often It's kind of a repeated. phrase You know he kind of, seeks a refuge in his mind and in his imagination The physical intensity of it - you know the. reaction to it - to find a kind of a psychological. | well, i was, you know - during some of the most physically abusive scenes, he has this interesting capacity of kind of being able to disengage. he talks about drowning in his dreams often. it's kind of a repeated phrase. you know, he kind of seeks a refuge in his mind and in his imagination. the physical intensity of it - you know, the reaction to it - to find a kind of a psychological refuge. |
Well, there is one passage - and I think this suggests how he wrote - with a lot of black humor. He writes about, early on, when one of his guards was a kind of a nice guard after a really mean guard had been sort of working him over verbally. So this guard talked to him about American history and how in Puritan times, innocents used to be punished by drowning. And then when Mohamedou says, well, I'm innocent, the guard says - he's sympathetic - he says, well, that's really too bad. I mean, that's the shame. So why don't you, the guard suggests, just think about all of this like you have cancer. It's so dark, but it's - you start just to laugh. I mean, you actually kind of laugh. | well there is one passage - and i. think this suggests how he wrote - with a lot of black humor he writes about; early on when one of his guards was a kind of a nice guard after a really mean, guard had been sort, of working him over verbally so this. guard talked to him about american history and how in puritan times innocents used to be punished by drowning, and then when mohamedou says well i'm innocent the guard says - he's sympathetic - he says well that's; really too bad, i mean that's the shame so why don't, you the guard suggests just think about all of this like you have cancer it's so dark but it's - you start just to laugh i mean you actually kind of | Well there is one passage - and I think this suggests how he wrote - with a lot of black humor He writes, about early on when one of his guards was a kind of a nice, guard after a really; mean guard had been sort of working him over verbally So this guard talked to him about American history and how in Puritan times innocents used to be. punished by drowning, And then when Mohamedou says well I'm innocent. the guard says - he's sympathetic - he says well. that's really too bad I mean that's the shame So why don't you the guard, suggests just think about. all of this like you have cancer It's so dark but it's - you start just to laugh I mean. you actually kind. of | well, there is one passage - and i think this suggests how he wrote - with a lot of black humor. he writes about, early on, when one of his guards was a kind of a nice guard after a really mean guard had been sort of working him over verbally. so this guard talked to him about american history and how in puritan times, innocents used to be punished by drowning. and then when mohamedou says, well, i'm innocent, the guard says - he's sympathetic - he says, well, that's really too bad. i mean, that's the shame. so why don't you, the guard suggests, just think about all of this like you have cancer. it's so dark, but it's - you start just to laugh. i mean, you actually kind of laugh. |
Well, I think, you know - what I think one of the most amazing things about the book for me is how it opened up a world to me of the American servicemen and servicewomen and intelligence agents that we put in these situations. And that's a kind of an amazing example. Mohamedou, you know, his most impressive ethic as he wrote this book was that he treats every single person he writes about as an individual. | well, i think, you know - what i think one of the most amazing things, about the book for me is how it opened up, a world to me of; the american servicemen and, servicewomen and intelligence agents that we put in these situations and that's a kind of an amazing. example mohamedou you know his most impressive ethic as he wrote this. book was that he treats every single person he writes about as an | Well; I think you know - what I think, one of the most amazing things about the book for me is how it opened up, a world, to me of the American servicemen and servicewomen and intelligence agents that we put in these situations And, that's a kind of an amazing example Mohamedou you know his most impressive ethic as he wrote this book was that he treats every single person he writes about as an | well, i think, you know - what i think one of the most amazing things about the book for me is how it opened up a world to me of the american servicemen and servicewomen and intelligence agents that we put in these situations. and that's a kind of an amazing example. mohamedou, you know, his most impressive ethic as he wrote this book was that he treats every single person he writes about as an individual. |
He does apply his ability to describe things in a way that makes you stop and think. There was one passage where he talks about being tied up, restrained so tightly, that it hurt so bad, that it was a relief when someone kicked him. | he does apply his ability to describe things in a way that makes you; stop and think there. was one passage where he talks about. being tied up restrained so tightly that it hurt so bad that it was a relief, when someone kicked | He does apply his ability to describe things in a way that makes you stop and think There was one passage where he talks about being tied up restrained so tightly that it hurt so bad that it. was a relief when someone kicked | he does apply his ability to describe things in a way that makes you stop and think. there was one passage where he talks about being tied up, restrained so tightly, that it hurt so bad, that it was a relief when someone kicked him. |
And then he also describes the relief of sitting next to another prisoner on the way to the airplane - just the warmth of another body. | and then he also describes the relief of, sitting next to another prisoner on the way to the airplane - just the warmth. of another | And then he also describes the relief of sitting next to another prisoner on the way to the airplane - just the warmth of another | and then he also describes the relief of sitting next to another prisoner on the way to the airplane - just the warmth of another body. |
Yeah, I think that's very true. It's those little brushstrokes, you know. I mean, at this point, I think the American people should have a good idea about the kinds of things that have gone on in Guantanamo like the things that have gone on in the CIA black sites. But I think what we don't know, what we haven't thought about, what we haven't let ourselves think about is what it felt like to be in that place and to experience those things. And I think that's part of the narrative that's been, you know, systematically denied to the American people. We have been denied access to the voices of the people who have lived inside of Guantanamo - the prisoners and the jailers. | yeah i think that's very true it's those little brushstrokes you know i mean at this point i think the american people should have a good idea about the kinds of things that have gone on in guantanamo like. the things that have gone on in. the cia black sites. but i think what we don't know what we haven't thought about what we haven't let ourselves think about is what it felt like to be in that place and to experience those things and i think that's part of the narrative, that's been you know systematically denied to the american people we have been, denied access to the voices of the, people who have lived inside of guantanamo - the prisoners and the | Yeah I think that's very true It's those little brushstrokes you know I mean at this point I think the American people should have a good idea about the kinds of things that. have gone on in Guantanamo like, the things that have gone. on in the CIA black sites But. I think what we don't know what we haven't thought. about what we haven't let ourselves think about is what it. felt like to be, in that place and to experience those things And I think that's part of the. narrative that's been you know systematically denied to the American people We have been, denied access to the. voices of, the people who have lived inside of Guantanamo - the prisoners and the | yeah, i think that's very true. it's those little brushstrokes, you know. i mean, at this point, i think the american people should have a good idea about the kinds of things that have gone on in guantanamo like the things that have gone on in the cia black sites. but i think what we don't know, what we haven't thought about, what we haven't let ourselves think about is what it felt like to be in that place and to experience those things. and i think that's part of the narrative that's been, you know, systematically denied to the american people. we have been denied access to the voices of the people who have lived inside of guantanamo - the prisoners and the jailers. |
Thank you both for joining us. | thank you both for joining | Thank you both for joining | thank you both for joining us. |
Thank you very much, Renee. | thank you very much. | Thank you. very much | thank you very much, renee. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Thank you. Thank you very much for having me. | thank, you thank, you very much for having | Thank you Thank you very much for having | thank you. thank you very much for having me. |
Amongst collector items, certainly I get a number of stares when I pull out what is called a UCD. It's a yellow piece of rubber. And UCD stands for urine collection device. And it's the undergarment they wear during launch. | amongst collector items. certainly i get a number of stares when i pull out. what is called a ucd it's a yellow piece of rubber and ucd stands for urine collection device and it's the undergarment they wear during | Amongst collector items certainly I get a number of stares when I pull out what is called a UCD It's a; yellow piece of rubber And UCD. stands for urine collection device And it's the undergarment they wear during | amongst collector items, certainly i get a number of stares when i pull out what is called a ucd. it's a yellow piece of rubber. and ucd stands for urine collection device. and it's the undergarment they wear during launch. |
Are there are people out there who would actually want to collect this? | are there are, people out there who would actually, want to. collect | Are there are people out there who would; actually want to collect | are there are people out there who would actually want to collect this? |
I think so. Not used, obviously. But... | i think so not used obviously | I think so Not used obviously | i think so. not used, obviously. but... |
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Okay. | okay. |
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But if it was flown and unused. What it does, I think, is, we want to relate to what it's like to live in space. And so if we can find something that relates to our own lives - something that we have done ourselves but maybe in a different way - then I think it's something that's pursued by collectors. It's something you can understand without having a long explanation given. | but if it was flown and unused what it does. i think. is we want, to relate to what it's like to live in space. and so if we can find something that relates to our own lives - something that we have done, ourselves but maybe in a different way - then i think it's something that's pursued. by collectors it's something you can understand without having a long. explanation | But. if it was flown and unused What it does I think is we want to relate to. what it's like to live in, space And so if we can find something that relates to our own lives - something that we have done ourselves but maybe in a different way - then I think. it's something. that's. pursued by collectors It's something you can understand without having a long explanation. | but if it was flown and unused. what it does, i think, is, we want to relate to what it's like to live in space. and so if we can find something that relates to our own lives - something that we have done ourselves but maybe in a different way - then i think it's something that's pursued by collectors. it's something you can understand without having a long explanation given. |
How much are collectors prepared to spend? I mean, give me a range of how valuable some of these items are. | how much are collectors prepared to spend? i mean give me a range of how valuable some of these items | How much are. collectors prepared. to spend? I mean give me a range of how valuable some of; these items | how much are collectors prepared to spend? i mean, give me a range of how valuable some of these items are. |
They range in value. You can find items that flew in space for as little as $50. But there are rising prices. About five years ago you could buy an American flag that flew on the first space shuttle mission - of which there were 10,000 onboard for about $500. Today you're lucky if you can find it for less than $1,000. | they range in. value you can. find. items that flew. in space for as little as $50. but there are rising prices about five years ago you could buy an american flag that flew on the first space shuttle mission - of which there were 10,000 onboard for about $500. today you're lucky if you can. find it for less. than | They, range; in. value You can find items that flew in space for as little as $50. But there are rising prices About five years ago you could buy an American flag that flew on the first space shuttle mission - of which there were 10,000 onboard for about $500. Today you're lucky, if you; can find it for less than | they range in value. you can find items that flew in space for as little as $50. but there are rising prices. about five years ago you could buy an american flag that flew on the first space shuttle mission - of which there were 10,000 onboard for about $500. today you're lucky if you can find it for less than $1,000. |
It also competes against the earlier memorabilia from the early space program. And those prices have risen over $500,000 and more. | it also competes against the earlier memorabilia from, the early space program and those prices have risen, over $500,000 and | It, also competes; against. the earlier memorabilia from, the early space program And those, prices have risen over $500,000 and | it also competes against the earlier memorabilia from the early space program. and those prices have risen over $500,000 and more. |
Over 500,000 and more. What kind of item would fetch that? | over 500,000 and more what kind of item, would fetch | Over 500,000 and more What kind of item would fetch | over 500,000 and more. what kind of item would fetch that? |
Something that's been to the surface of the moon and has been coated in lunar dust and was obtained legally. Certainly... | something that's been to, the surface of the moon and has. been coated in lunar, dust and was obtained legally | Something that's been to the, surface of the moon. and has been coated in lunar dust and was obtained, legally | something that's been to the surface of the moon and has been coated in lunar dust and was obtained legally. certainly... |
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A key factor. Uh-huh. | a key factor | A key factor | a key factor. uh-huh. |
Yeah. Key in this, I mean if you're going to collect the artifacts from the program, key to it is making sure that you have the chain of ownership to show that it was released by the government through the proper channels and can be owned legally. Because NASA and the Office of the Inspector General do not care how much it sells on the market. If it's their property, they're going to come try to get it. | yeah key in this i mean if you're going to collect the artifacts from the program key to it is. making sure that you have the chain of ownership to show that it was released by the government through the proper, channels and can be owned legally because. nasa and the office of the inspector. general do not care how much it sells; on the market if it's their property they're going to come try to, get | Yeah Key in this I mean if you're going to collect the. artifacts from the program key to it is making sure that you have the chain of ownership to show that it was released by the government through, the, proper channels and can be owned legally Because NASA and the Office, of the Inspector. General, do not care how much it sells on the market If it's their property they're going to come try to get | yeah. key in this, i mean if you're going to collect the artifacts from the program, key to it is making sure that you have the chain of ownership to show that it was released by the government through the proper channels and can be owned legally. because nasa and the office of the inspector general do not care how much it sells on the market. if it's their property, they're going to come try to get it. |
Thanks very much for talking to us. | thanks very much for. talking to | Thanks very much for. talking to | thanks very much for talking to us. |
Oh, it was my pleasure. | oh it was my | Oh it was my | oh, it was my pleasure. |
That's Robert Pearlman. He's the founder of collectSPACE.com, an online source for space history and artifacts. | that's robert pearlman, he's. the founder, of collectspace.com an online source for space history and | That's Robert Pearlman He's the founder of collectSPACE.com. an online source for space history and | that's robert pearlman. he's the founder of collectspace.com, an online source for space history and artifacts. |
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And there's photos of some of the more popular collectibles on our website, NPR.org. This is NPR News. | and there's photos; of some of the more popular. collectibles on our website npr.org this is npr, | And there's photos of some of the more popular collectibles on our. website NPR.org This, is NPR | and there's photos of some of the more popular collectibles on our website, npr.org. this is npr news. |
NPR's Jon Hamilton reports. | npr's jon hamilton | NPR's Jon Hamilton | npr's jon hamilton reports. |
They look just like other mice, and Venkatesh Murthy, a neurobiologist at Harvard, says they act like other mice when something interesting reaches their nose. | they look just like other mice and venkatesh murthy a neurobiologist at harvard says they act like other mice when something interesting reaches their | They look, just; like, other mice and Venkatesh Murthy a neurobiologist at Harvard says they act like other mice when something interesting reaches their. | they look just like other mice, and venkatesh murthy, a neurobiologist at harvard, says they act like other mice when something interesting reaches their nose. |
When they encounter a new odor, like if they're just going about their business, something interesting or new comes along, they just sniff faster. They go (makes sniffing sound). | when they encounter a new odor like if they're just going; about their business something interesting or new comes along they just sniff faster they, go (makes sniffing | When they encounter a new odor like if they're just going about their business something interesting or new comes. along they, just sniff faster They go (makes; sniffing | when they encounter a new odor, like if they're just going about their business, something interesting or new comes along, they just sniff faster. they go (makes sniffing sound). |
So Murthy and a team from Harvard and Cold Spring Harbor Lab decided to use these unusual mice to explain one particular feature of our sense of smell. | so murthy and a team from harvard and cold spring harbor. lab decided to use these unusual mice to explain one particular feature of our sense of. | So Murthy and a team from Harvard and. Cold Spring Harbor Lab decided to use, these unusual mice to explain one particular feature of our sense of | so murthy and a team from harvard and cold spring harbor lab decided to use these unusual mice to explain one particular feature of our sense of smell. |
Let's say that there are three kinds of citrus fruits - you have an orange, lime and lemon. If you really are careful, you can distinguish each of those just from the smell. There's something slightly different about them. But you can also say that they are similar. | let's say that there are three kinds of citrus fruits - you have an orange lime and lemon. if you really are careful. you can. distinguish each of, those just from the smell there's something slightly different about them but, you can also, say that they are | Let's, say that there are three kinds of citrus fruits - you have, an orange lime and lemon If you really are careful you can distinguish each of those just from the smell There's something slightly different about them But you can also say that they are, | let's say that there are three kinds of citrus fruits - you have an orange, lime and lemon. if you really are careful, you can distinguish each of those just from the smell. there's something slightly different about them. but you can also say that they are similar. |
The scientists expected to find that this was because brain cells responding to orange were physically close to the ones responding to lime and lemon. But Murthy says experiments using light showed that where the neurons were wasn't he only important factor. It also mattered precisely when different neurons responded by emitting an electrical signal. | the scientists; expected to find that this was because brain cells responding to orange were physically close to the ones responding to lime and lemon but murthy says experiments using light showed that where, the neurons. were wasn't. he only important factor it. also mattered, precisely when different neurons responded by emitting an electrical | The scientists expected to find that this was because brain cells responding to orange were physically close to the ones responding to lime and lemon But Murthy. says experiments using light showed that where. the neurons. were wasn't he only important factor It also mattered precisely when different, neurons responded; by emitting an electrical | the scientists expected to find that this was because brain cells responding to orange were physically close to the ones responding to lime and lemon. but murthy says experiments using light showed that where the neurons were wasn't he only important factor. it also mattered precisely when different neurons responded by emitting an electrical signal. |
So you can find neurons that emit right at the onset of sniff. Another one will emit a little bit later. So I think even within a sniff, the timing of when the neuron decides to then do its thing carries information now. | so you can find neurons. that emit right at the onset of sniff another one will emit a little bit later. so i think, even. within a sniff the timing of when the neuron decides, to then do its thing carries information | So you can find neurons. that emit right at the onset of sniff Another one will emit a. little bit. later So I think even within. a sniff the timing of when, the neuron decides to then do its thing carries, information | so you can find neurons that emit right at the onset of sniff. another one will emit a little bit later. so i think even within a sniff, the timing of when the neuron decides to then do its thing carries information now. |
Information about stuff like whether you're smelling a lime or a lemon. Murthy says this sort of research should help solve other mysteries too, like how odors are connected to memories and emotions. And he says the new ability to put light-sensitive cells just about anywhere might help people who have diseases that affect the retina. | information about stuff like whether you're smelling a lime or a lemon; murthy says this sort of research should help solve other mysteries too like how odors are connected to memories and emotions and he says, the new ability to put light-sensitive cells. just about anywhere might help people who have diseases that affect the | Information about, stuff like whether, you're smelling a lime or a lemon Murthy says this sort. of research should help solve other mysteries too like how odors are connected to memories and emotions And he says the new. ability, to put light-sensitive cells just about anywhere might help people who have diseases that affect the | information about stuff like whether you're smelling a lime or a lemon. murthy says this sort of research should help solve other mysteries too, like how odors are connected to memories and emotions. and he says the new ability to put light-sensitive cells just about anywhere might help people who have diseases that affect the retina. |
Your photoreceptors are degenerated by your eye is perfectly fine otherwise - these people are blind. So people are working on putting this light-sensitive protein in those surviving cells. That will allow you to detect light. | your photoreceptors are degenerated by your eye is perfectly fine, otherwise. - these people are blind so. people are working on putting this light-sensitive, protein in those surviving cells that will allow, you to detect. | Your photoreceptors are degenerated by. your eye is perfectly fine otherwise - these people are blind So, people are working on putting this light-sensitive protein in those surviving. cells That will allow; you to, detect | your photoreceptors are degenerated by your eye is perfectly fine otherwise - these people are blind. so people are working on putting this light-sensitive protein in those surviving cells. that will allow you to detect light. |
And maybe even patterns of light. This is all part of one of the hottest fields in neuroscience right now. It's called optogenetics. Dylan Clyne is a researcher who was involved in some of the first optogenetic experiments at Yale. He says hundreds of labs are now using the technique because it lets scientists control a wide range of brain circuits with just a pulse of light. | and maybe; even patterns of, light; this is, all part of one of the hottest fields in neuroscience right now it's called optogenetics dylan clyne is a, researcher who was, involved in some of the first optogenetic experiments, at yale he says hundreds of labs are now using the. technique, because it lets scientists control a wide range of brain circuits with just a pulse of | And maybe even patterns of light, This is all part of one of the hottest. fields in neuroscience. right now It's called optogenetics Dylan Clyne is a researcher who was involved in some, of the first optogenetic experiments at. Yale He says. hundreds of labs are now using the technique because it lets scientists control; a. wide range of brain circuits, with just a pulse of | and maybe even patterns of light. this is all part of one of the hottest fields in neuroscience right now. it's called optogenetics. dylan clyne is a researcher who was involved in some of the first optogenetic experiments at yale. he says hundreds of labs are now using the technique because it lets scientists control a wide range of brain circuits with just a pulse of light. |
If you understand how different circuits work for memory or depression or motor problems, then you can get at how we can try and treat those circuits in a more sophisticated manner. | if you understand how different circuits work for, memory or depression or motor problems then you can get at how we can try and treat those circuits in a more sophisticated; | If you understand how different circuits work for memory or depression or motor problems then you can get, at how we can try. and treat those circuits in a more sophisticated | if you understand how different circuits work for memory or depression or motor problems, then you can get at how we can try and treat those circuits in a more sophisticated manner. |
Jon Hamilton, NPR News. | jon hamilton npr | Jon Hamilton, NPR | jon hamilton, npr news. |
Today in Los Angeles, police are expected to begin a crackdown on medical marijuana dispensaries. The city is home to hundreds of them. Concerns over their proliferation have provoked a backlash. NPR's Mandalit del Barco reports. | today. in. los angeles police are expected to begin a crackdown, on medical, marijuana dispensaries the city is home to hundreds of them concerns over their proliferation have provoked a backlash npr's mandalit del barco | Today in Los Angeles police are expected to begin a crackdown on medical marijuana dispensaries The city is home to hundreds of them Concerns over their proliferation have provoked a backlash NPR's, Mandalit del Barco | today in los angeles, police are expected to begin a crackdown on medical marijuana dispensaries. the city is home to hundreds of them. concerns over their proliferation have provoked a backlash. npr's mandalit del barco reports. |
A new city ordinance limits the number and locations of medical marijuana dispensaries allowed to operate in Los Angeles. Those that registered with the city before a 2007 moratorium may be able to remain in business. But they can't be near schools, libraries, parks or other sensitive areas. Today, L.A. police officers begin closing down 400 unregistered dispensaries now operating illegally. | a new city ordinance limits the. number. and locations of medical marijuana dispensaries allowed to operate in los. angeles those that registered with the city; before a 2007 moratorium may be able, to. remain in. business but they can't be near schools libraries parks or other sensitive areas today l.a police officers begin closing down 400 unregistered dispensaries now operating | A, new city ordinance limits the number and locations of medical marijuana dispensaries allowed to operate in Los Angeles Those that, registered with the city before a 2007 moratorium may be able to remain in. business But they can't, be near schools libraries parks or other sensitive areas Today L.A police officers begin. closing down 400 unregistered dispensaries now operating. | a new city ordinance limits the number and locations of medical marijuana dispensaries allowed to operate in los angeles. those that registered with the city before a 2007 moratorium may be able to remain in business. but they can't be near schools, libraries, parks or other sensitive areas. today, l.a. police officers begin closing down 400 unregistered dispensaries now operating illegally. |
The sky isn't going to fall down. And LAPD isn't going to go around kicking down doors, etc. Initially we're going to be doing information gathering. | the sky. isn't going, to fall down; and lapd, isn't going to go around kicking down doors etc initially we're going, to be; doing information | The sky isn't going to fall down. And LAPD isn't, going to go around kicking. down doors etc Initially we're going to be doing information | the sky isn't going to fall down. and lapd isn't going to go around kicking down doors, etc. initially we're going to be doing information gathering. |
Assistant City Attorney Asha Greenberg says LA's new ordinance makes it a misdemeanor to run dispensaries without city approval. | assistant city attorney asha greenberg says la's new. ordinance makes it a misdemeanor to run dispensaries, without city. | Assistant City Attorney Asha Greenberg says LA's new ordinance makes it, a misdemeanor to run dispensaries without city | assistant city attorney asha greenberg says la's new ordinance makes it a misdemeanor to run dispensaries without city approval. |
I envisioned an extremely long network of floating barriers. They're like curtains floating in the ocean. And because it's in a V shape, the plastic gets pushed towards the center. And that's the spot where we can efficiently extract it from the seawater and store it before shipping it to land for recycling. | i envisioned an extremely long network of floating. barriers they're like curtains floating in. the ocean and, because it's in a v. shape. the plastic gets pushed towards the center and that's the spot where we can efficiently extract it from the seawater. and store it before. shipping it to land for | I envisioned an extremely long, network of floating barriers They're like curtains floating in the ocean And because it's in a V shape the plastic gets pushed towards the center And that's. the spot where we can efficiently extract it from the seawater and store it. before shipping it to land, for | i envisioned an extremely long network of floating barriers. they're like curtains floating in the ocean. and because it's in a v shape, the plastic gets pushed towards the center. and that's the spot where we can efficiently extract it from the seawater and store it before shipping it to land for recycling. |
Well, as we know, Slat's idea didn't quite work as planned. | well as we know, slat's idea didn't quite work as | Well as we know Slat's idea, didn't quite work as | well, as we know, slat's idea didn't quite work as planned. |
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The path of progress wasn't exactly a straight line. And we began to refer to these issues that we had along the way as unscheduled learning opportunities, and we had quite a few. | the path of progress wasn't exactly a, straight line and we; began to refer to these issues that, we. had along the, way as unscheduled learning opportunities and we had quite a | The path of progress. wasn't exactly, a straight line And we began, to refer to. these issues that we had along. the way as unscheduled learning opportunities and we had quite; a | the path of progress wasn't exactly a straight line. and we began to refer to these issues that we had along the way as unscheduled learning opportunities, and we had quite a few. |
First, as Slat explained at the press conference, his device floated along with the ocean's current at the same speed as the debris it was meant to capture. | first; as slat explained at the press conference his device floated along, with the ocean's current at the same speed as the. debris it was meant, to | First as Slat explained at, the press conference. his device floated along with the ocean's current at the same speed as the debris it was meant to | first, as slat explained at the press conference, his device floated along with the ocean's current at the same speed as the debris it was meant to capture. |
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Causing the system to actually not collect any plastics. | causing the system to actually not collect; any | Causing the system to actually; not collect. any | causing the system to actually not collect any plastics. |
Then, late last year, part of the structure itself fell apart. | then late last year part of. the, structure itself fell | Then late, last year part of; the structure, itself. fell | then, late last year, part of the structure itself fell apart. |
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Forcing us to tow the system back to port. | forcing us to tow the system back. to | Forcing us to tow the system back to | forcing us to tow the system back to port. |
After six more months of tinkering, the modified prototype was redeployed to the floating garbage patch. And at this week's press briefing, Slat was at long last able to share pictures of what the system has captured - an enormous abandoned fishing net, hardhats, office chairs, plastic forks. | after six more months of tinkering the modified prototype was redeployed, to the floating garbage patch and. at this week's press briefing slat was at long last able to share pictures of what the system, has captured - an enormous abandoned fishing net hardhats office chairs, plastic | After, six. more months; of tinkering the modified prototype was redeployed to the floating garbage patch And at this week's press briefing Slat. was at long last able to share pictures of what the system has captured - an; enormous abandoned fishing net hardhats office chairs plastic | after six more months of tinkering, the modified prototype was redeployed to the floating garbage patch. and at this week's press briefing, slat was at long last able to share pictures of what the system has captured - an enormous abandoned fishing net, hardhats, office chairs, plastic forks. |
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