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Well, police have cast a wide net to identify the men who were behind the attacks. They've been searching for days for a 26-year-old French national who has been living in Belgium. His name is Saleh Abdeslam, and there's an international arrest warrant out for him. You know, ironically, he was stopped by police near the Belgian border hours after the attack. But at the time, they hadn't yet identified the attackers or put together that in fact his brother had been one of the suicide bombers who detonated a vest inside a cafe in Paris.
well police, have cast a wide net to identify the men who were behind the attacks they've been searching for days for a 26-year-old french, national who has been living in belgium his, name is saleh abdeslam and there's an international arrest. warrant, out for; him you know ironically he, was stopped. by, police near the belgian border hours after the attack but at, the time they hadn't yet identified the attackers or put together, that in fact his brother had been one of the. suicide bombers who detonated a vest inside a cafe in,
Well police have cast a wide, net to identify, the men who were behind the attacks They've been searching for days for a 26-year-old French national who has been living in Belgium His name, is Saleh Abdeslam and there's an international arrest warrant. out for him You know ironically he was stopped by police near the Belgian border hours after the attack But at the time they hadn't yet identified, the attackers or put together that in fact his. brother had been one of the suicide bombers who detonated a vest inside a cafe in
well, police have cast a wide net to identify the men who were behind the attacks. they've been searching for days for a 26-year-old french national who has been living in belgium. his name is saleh abdeslam, and there's an international arrest warrant out for him. you know, ironically, he was stopped by police near the belgian border hours after the attack. but at the time, they hadn't yet identified the attackers or put together that in fact his brother had been one of the suicide bombers who detonated a vest inside a cafe in paris.
Now, earlier today, police said that they had a new suspect they're searching for. Do we have any idea how big this plot really is?
now earlier today police said that they had a new suspect they're. searching for do we have; any idea how big this plot really
Now earlier today police said that they had a new suspect they're searching for Do we have any idea how big this plot really
now, earlier today, police said that they had a new suspect they're searching for. do we have any idea how big this plot really is?
Well, so far, this has involved the seven attackers who died, Abdeslam, this other suspect - that's nine so far. And then sources told NPR that they believe the plot is wider than that. It could involve more than a dozen people. But again, this is early days and they're still piecing this all together.
well so far this has involved the seven attackers who died abdeslam this other suspect - that's nine so far and then sources, told npr that. they believe the plot is wider than that, it. could involve more than a dozen people but again this is. early days and they're still piecing this all
Well so far this has involved the seven attackers who died Abdeslam this other. suspect - that's nine so far And then sources told NPR that they. believe. the; plot is wider than that It could involve more than a dozen people But again this is early days and they're still piecing this all
well, so far, this has involved the seven attackers who died, abdeslam, this other suspect - that's nine so far. and then sources told npr that they believe the plot is wider than that. it could involve more than a dozen people. but again, this is early days and they're still piecing this all together.
Dina, let's talk about this Belgian connection. This neighborhood of Molenbeek, it's come up in terrorism cases before, hasn't it?
dina let's talk about this belgian connection, this neighborhood of molenbeek it's come up in terrorism cases before hasn't;
Dina let's talk about, this Belgian connection This. neighborhood of Molenbeek it's, come up in terrorism cases before hasn't
dina, let's talk about this belgian connection. this neighborhood of molenbeek, it's come up in terrorism cases before, hasn't it?
Molenbeek is a well-known haven for extremists in Europe. It has a huge North African population and the unemployment there is very high. Now, the area has been linked to at least four terrorist attacks in just the past two years. Back in January, the gunmen who murdered shoppers in a kosher supermarket just two days after the attacks on the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine, he bought his weapons in Molenbeek. In 2014, the man who shot up a Jewish museum in Belgium, he bought his guns there, too. And then if you remember that shooting on the high-speed train this summer in August, the man who was tackled by some Americans when his gun jammed, he was from Molenbeek, too. So a source close to the investigation told me that it's well-known throughout Europe that if you're looking for a gun or you're looking for explosives, Molenbeek is one of the places you go.
molenbeek is a well-known haven for extremists in, europe it has a; huge, north african population and the unemployment there; is very high now the area has been linked to at; least four terrorist attacks in just the past; two. years back. in january, the gunmen, who murdered shoppers in a kosher supermarket just two days after the attacks on the charlie hebdo satirical magazine he bought his weapons in molenbeek. in 2014, the man, who shot. up a jewish museum in belgium he bought his guns there too and then if you remember that shooting on the high-speed train this summer in. august the man who was tackled by some americans when his gun jammed, he was from molenbeek too so a source close to the investigation told, me that. it's well-known throughout europe that if you're looking for a gun or you're looking for explosives molenbeek is one. of the places you
Molenbeek is a well-known haven for extremists in Europe It has a huge, North African population and the unemployment there is very high Now the area has been linked to at; least four. terrorist attacks in just the past two years, Back in January the gunmen. who murdered shoppers in a kosher supermarket just two days after the attacks on the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine he bought. his weapons. in Molenbeek, In 2014, the man, who. shot up a. Jewish museum in. Belgium he bought his guns there too And then if you remember that shooting on the high-speed train this summer in August the man who was tackled by. some Americans when his gun jammed he was from Molenbeek too So a source close to the investigation told me that it's well-known throughout Europe that if, you're looking for a gun, or you're; looking for explosives Molenbeek is one of the places you
molenbeek is a well-known haven for extremists in europe. it has a huge north african population and the unemployment there is very high. now, the area has been linked to at least four terrorist attacks in just the past two years. back in january, the gunmen who murdered shoppers in a kosher supermarket just two days after the attacks on the charlie hebdo satirical magazine, he bought his weapons in molenbeek. in 2014, the man who shot up a jewish museum in belgium, he bought his guns there, too. and then if you remember that shooting on the high-speed train this summer in august, the man who was tackled by some americans when his gun jammed, he was from molenbeek, too. so a source close to the investigation told me that it's well-known throughout europe that if you're looking for a gun or you're looking for explosives, molenbeek is one of the places you go.
Dina, France has been on a heightened security footing since January. And yet, the attackers clearly were able to get lots of guns and explosives into France. What went wrong?
dina france has been on. a heightened security footing since, january and yet the attackers clearly were, able to get lots of guns and explosives into france what went
Dina France has been on a heightened, security footing since January And yet the attackers clearly were able to get lots. of guns; and explosives into France What, went
dina, france has been on a heightened security footing since january. and yet, the attackers clearly were able to get lots of guns and explosives into france. what went wrong?
Well, from a distance, this may seem like a massive intelligence failure until you realize that with the open borders in Europe, driving weapons from Brussels to Paris is a little like driving illegal guns from Virginia to, like, New York. People don't have to go through border crossings anymore. I mean, we do that when we fly into airports and we see the people with EU passports standing in those much shorter lines. But if you're driving, the way you'd know you passed into France from Belgium is a big sign that says Bienvenue a la France, welcome to France, not some border guard. And criminals and terrorists are taking advantage of that.
well from a distance, this may seem like a massive intelligence failure until you realize that with the open borders in europe driving weapons from brussels to paris is a little like driving illegal guns from, virginia to like; new york people don't have to go, through, border crossings anymore i. mean. we do that when we, fly into airports and we, see the people with eu passports. standing in those much shorter lines but if you're driving the way you'd know you passed into france, from belgium is a. big sign. that says; bienvenue a la france welcome to france not some border guard and criminals and terrorists are taking advantage of
Well from a distance this may seem like a massive intelligence failure; until you realize that with the open borders in Europe, driving weapons from Brussels to Paris is a little like driving illegal guns. from Virginia to like New York People don't have to go through border crossings anymore I mean we do that when we fly into airports and, we see the people with EU passports standing in those much shorter lines But if, you're, driving the way you'd know you passed into, France from Belgium is a. big sign that says, Bienvenue a la, France welcome to France not some border guard And criminals and terrorists are taking advantage of
well, from a distance, this may seem like a massive intelligence failure until you realize that with the open borders in europe, driving weapons from brussels to paris is a little like driving illegal guns from virginia to, like, new york. people don't have to go through border crossings anymore. i mean, we do that when we fly into airports and we see the people with eu passports standing in those much shorter lines. but if you're driving, the way you'd know you passed into france from belgium is a big sign that says bienvenue a la france, welcome to france, not some border guard. and criminals and terrorists are taking advantage of that.
Just in the last few weeks, we've seen ISIS take responsibility for the downing of a Russian civilian plane near Sharm el-Sheikh, then the twin bombings in Lebanon, then a day later these attacks in Paris. President Obama said before this Paris attack that ISIS was contained in Syria and Iraq. How did ISIS get here?
just in the last few weeks we've seen isis take responsibility for, the downing of a russian civilian plane near sharm el-sheikh then the. twin bombings in lebanon then, a day later, these attacks in paris president obama, said before this paris attack that isis was contained in syria and, iraq how did isis get.
Just in the last few weeks we've seen ISIS take responsibility for the downing of a Russian civilian. plane near Sharm el-Sheikh then the twin bombings in Lebanon then. a day later these attacks in Paris President Obama said before this Paris attack that ISIS was contained in Syria and Iraq How; did ISIS get
just in the last few weeks, we've seen isis take responsibility for the downing of a russian civilian plane near sharm el-sheikh, then the twin bombings in lebanon, then a day later these attacks in paris. president obama said before this paris attack that isis was contained in syria and iraq. how did isis get here?
Well, I know this seems like something unpredictable, but what we're actually seeing is the progression of a terrorist organization. They almost all start out with a regional focus. Al-Qaida had the Russians in Afghanistan, Al Shabaab was focused on getting Ethiopians out of Somalia, and ISIS was focused on Syria and Iraq. But as they get more powerful, they look outward to take on other challenges. It's almost as if there are successive graduations. Elementary-level terrorist organizations focus on small, local problems. They graduate to more complicated regional issues and then they begin to have broader aspirations. So it's almost a natural progression. That's why counterterrorism officials say they're always concerned about regional terrorist organizations because inevitably, as they develop, they turn their sights on the West.
well i know this seems like. something, unpredictable but what we're actually. seeing is the progression of a terrorist organization they almost all start out with a regional, focus. al-qaida had the russians in afghanistan al shabaab was focused. on getting ethiopians out of somalia and. isis was focused on, syria and iraq but as they get more powerful they look, outward to take on other challenges it's almost as if there are successive graduations elementary-level terrorist organizations focus on small local problems, they graduate to more complicated regional issues and then they begin to have. broader, aspirations so it's almost, a natural, progression that's why. counterterrorism officials say they're always concerned about regional terrorist organizations because inevitably as they develop they turn. their sights on the
Well I know this seems like, something unpredictable. but what we're actually seeing is the progression, of a terrorist. organization They almost all. start out with a, regional focus Al-Qaida had the Russians in Afghanistan Al Shabaab was focused on getting Ethiopians out of Somalia, and ISIS was focused on Syria and Iraq But as they get more powerful they look, outward to. take on other challenges It's almost as, if there are successive graduations. Elementary-level terrorist organizations focus on small. local problems They graduate to more complicated, regional issues and then they begin to. have broader aspirations So it's almost a natural progression That's why counterterrorism officials say they're always concerned about regional terrorist organizations because inevitably as they develop they. turn, their sights on the
well, i know this seems like something unpredictable, but what we're actually seeing is the progression of a terrorist organization. they almost all start out with a regional focus. al-qaida had the russians in afghanistan, al shabaab was focused on getting ethiopians out of somalia, and isis was focused on syria and iraq. but as they get more powerful, they look outward to take on other challenges. it's almost as if there are successive graduations. elementary-level terrorist organizations focus on small, local problems. they graduate to more complicated regional issues and then they begin to have broader aspirations. so it's almost a natural progression. that's why counterterrorism officials say they're always concerned about regional terrorist organizations because inevitably, as they develop, they turn their sights on the west.
Dispensary owners and patients have filed more than 20 lawsuits against the city, arguing the ordinance is unconstitutional because it prohibits access to their medicine. So far, their attempts at temporary restraining orders have been turned down in court.
dispensary owners and patients have. filed more than 20 lawsuits against the city arguing the ordinance is unconstitutional because it prohibits access to their medicine so far their attempts at temporary restraining orders have; been, turned down in
Dispensary owners and patients have filed more than 20 lawsuits against the city arguing the. ordinance is unconstitutional because, it prohibits access to their medicine So far their attempts at temporary restraining orders have been turned down in
dispensary owners and patients have filed more than 20 lawsuits against the city, arguing the ordinance is unconstitutional because it prohibits access to their medicine. so far, their attempts at temporary restraining orders have been turned down in court.
It's like treating us like drug dealers. It's not right.
it's like treating us like drug dealers it's not
It's like treating, us like drug dealers It's not
it's like treating us like drug dealers. it's not right.
Darcy Hughes was manager of a medical marijuana dispensary called B Green, which is now closed because of the new law. Hughes agrees there were far too many unregulated dispensaries in L.A., but now she and her patients don't know where they'll get their medicine.
darcy hughes, was manager of a medical marijuana dispensary called b green which is now. closed because of the new law hughes agrees there were far too many unregulated dispensaries in l.a., but now she and her patients don't know. where they'll get their
Darcy Hughes, was manager of a medical marijuana dispensary called, B Green which is now closed because of the new law. Hughes agrees there were far too, many unregulated dispensaries in L.A., but now she and her patients don't know where they'll; get their
darcy hughes was manager of a medical marijuana dispensary called b green, which is now closed because of the new law. hughes agrees there were far too many unregulated dispensaries in l.a., but now she and her patients don't know where they'll get their medicine.
I think the city is a little embarrassed about what happened, and this is what they're trying to do to fix the situation. I think they got a little harsh. Unfortunately, I'll see a rise probably in more street, and back to the way it kind of was before the dispensaries.
i think the city; is a little embarrassed about what happened and this is what they're trying to do to fix the situation i think they got a little harsh unfortunately i'll see a rise probably in more street and back to the, way it kind of was before the
I think the city is. a little. embarrassed about what. happened and this is what they're trying. to do to fix the situation I think they got a little, harsh Unfortunately I'll see a rise probably. in more street and back to the way it kind of was before the
i think the city is a little embarrassed about what happened, and this is what they're trying to do to fix the situation. i think they got a little harsh. unfortunately, i'll see a rise probably in more street, and back to the way it kind of was before the dispensaries.
Street sales?
street,
Street
street sales?
Yeah. Street sales, unfortunately.
yeah street sales
Yeah Street sales
yeah. street sales, unfortunately.
Under the new ordinance, those who illegally sell medical marijuana in Los Angeles could face daily fines, a $1,000 penalty and six months in jail.
under the new ordinance those who illegally sell medical marijuana in los angeles could face daily fines. a $1,000 penalty and six months. in
Under the new ordinance those. who illegally sell medical. marijuana, in Los Angeles could. face daily fines. a $1,000 penalty and six months in
under the new ordinance, those who illegally sell medical marijuana in los angeles could face daily fines, a $1,000 penalty and six months in jail.
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Now, that al-Qaida leader killed this week, Anwar al-Awlaki, he was born in New Mexico. And a decade ago, he was already branding himself as a kind of spokesman for Muslim Americans. Here he is as a guest on NPR's TALK OF THE NATION back in 2001, two months after 9/11.
now that al-qaida leader killed this week anwar al-awlaki he was born in new mexico and a decade ago he was already branding himself as a kind of spokesman for muslim americans here he is as a guest on npr's talk of; the nation back in 2001, two months after
Now that al-Qaida leader killed. this. week Anwar al-Awlaki he, was born in New Mexico. And a decade ago he was already branding himself as a kind of spokesman for, Muslim Americans Here, he is as a; guest on NPR's TALK OF THE NATION back in 2001, two months after
now, that al-qaida leader killed this week, anwar al-awlaki, he was born in new mexico. and a decade ago, he was already branding himself as a kind of spokesman for muslim americans. here he is as a guest on npr's talk of the nation back in 2001, two months after 9/11.
There's a bombing going on over a Muslim country, Afghanistan. So, there are some reasons that make the Muslims feel that, well, it is true that the statement was made, that this is not a war against Islam. But for all practical reasons, it is the Muslims who are being hurt.
there's a. bombing going on, over, a muslim country afghanistan; so, there are some; reasons that, make the muslims feel that well it is true that the statement was made, that this is not a war against. islam but for all, practical reasons it is the muslims who are being
There's a bombing going; on over a Muslim country Afghanistan So there, are some reasons that make the. Muslims feel that well it is true that the statement was made that this is not. a war against Islam But for all practical reasons it is the Muslims who are being
there's a bombing going on over a muslim country, afghanistan. so, there are some reasons that make the muslims feel that, well, it is true that the statement was made, that this is not a war against islam. but for all practical reasons, it is the muslims who are being hurt.
Over the years, Awlaki's message got a lot more radical. And he started using YouTube to inspire new recruits from the West. Michael Leiter has been following Awlaki for years. He just stepped down as head of the National Counterterrorism Center.
over the years awlaki's message got a lot more radical and he, started using youtube to inspire new recruits from, the west michael leiter has been following awlaki for years he just stepped down as head. of the national counterterrorism
Over the years Awlaki's, message got a lot more radical And he started using YouTube to inspire new recruits from the West Michael Leiter has been, following Awlaki for years He just stepped. down as head of the, National Counterterrorism
over the years, awlaki's message got a lot more radical. and he started using youtube to inspire new recruits from the west. michael leiter has been following awlaki for years. he just stepped down as head of the national counterterrorism center.
Awlaki was more focused on the West and other people who may have been killed in the strike, were more focused on the West than others within AQAP. Given the instability, the ongoing instability in Yemen, it is very possible that they will refocus their efforts on the Arabian Peninsula.
awlaki was more focused on the west and other people who may have been killed in the. strike were more focused on the. west than, others within aqap given the instability the ongoing instability in yemen it is very possible that they will refocus. their efforts on the arabian
Awlaki was more focused on the West and other people who may have been killed in the strike were more focused on the West than others within AQAP Given the instability, the ongoing instability in Yemen it is very possible that they will refocus their efforts, on the Arabian
awlaki was more focused on the west and other people who may have been killed in the strike, were more focused on the west than others within aqap. given the instability, the ongoing instability in yemen, it is very possible that they will refocus their efforts on the arabian peninsula.
He wasn't just someone who inspired others to carry out these plots. He was operationally involved.
he wasn't just. someone who inspired others to carry out these plots he was operationally
He, wasn't just someone who inspired others to carry out these plots He was operationally
he wasn't just someone who inspired others to carry out these plots. he was operationally involved.
He really was, and that was made him, I think, different from a lot of other al-Qaida leaders. He was, first and foremost over the past two years, an operational commander. He was the guy who had the ideas, who was training some of the operatives, who was guiding them in their path. This wasn't about him being a so-called cleric. This was him commanding, directing plots to attack the United States and the West.
he. really was and that; was made him i think different from a lot of other al-qaida leaders he was first and foremost over the past two years an operational commander he was the guy who had the ideas who was training some of the operatives. who; was guiding them in their; path this wasn't about him being a so-called cleric this. was him commanding directing plots to attack the united states and the
He; really was and, that, was made him I think different from a lot of other al-Qaida leaders He was first and foremost over the past two years an operational commander He was the. guy who had. the ideas who was, training some of the operatives who was guiding them in their path This wasn't about him being a so-called. cleric. This, was him commanding directing plots to attack the United States. and; the
he really was, and that was made him, i think, different from a lot of other al-qaida leaders. he was, first and foremost over the past two years, an operational commander. he was the guy who had the ideas, who was training some of the operatives, who was guiding them in their path. this wasn't about him being a so-called cleric. this was him commanding, directing plots to attack the united states and the west.
I want to ask you about another American killed in the strike, Samir Khan, who was the editor of an online magazine called Inspire. What is the significance of him being removed from the battlefield?
i want to ask you about another american killed in the strike samir; khan who was. the editor of an online magazine called inspire what is the significance of him being removed from the
I want to ask you about another American killed, in, the strike Samir Khan who was, the editor, of an; online magazine, called Inspire What is the significance of him being removed from, the
i want to ask you about another american killed in the strike, samir khan, who was the editor of an online magazine called inspire. what is the significance of him being removed from the battlefield?
Well, the magazine to which you refer is the glossiest and fanciest of al-Qaida's propaganda. And it's very much written with an eye towards appealing to the Western audience and the disenchanted young people, either in the United States or Great Britain or elsewhere. Eliminating him will probably at least temporarily reduce their ability to produce that sort of propaganda.
well the, magazine to which you refer is the glossiest and fanciest. of al-qaida's propaganda and it's very much written with an eye towards appealing to the western audience and the disenchanted young people either in the united states or great britain or elsewhere, eliminating him will probably at least temporarily reduce their ability to produce that sort of
Well the magazine to, which you refer is the glossiest and fanciest of al-Qaida's propaganda And, it's, very much written with an eye towards appealing to the Western audience; and the disenchanted young people either in the United States or, Great Britain or, elsewhere Eliminating him will probably at least temporarily reduce their ability to produce that sort of
well, the magazine to which you refer is the glossiest and fanciest of al-qaida's propaganda. and it's very much written with an eye towards appealing to the western audience and the disenchanted young people, either in the united states or great britain or elsewhere. eliminating him will probably at least temporarily reduce their ability to produce that sort of propaganda.
But there's no doubt that some of their messages are going to continue. In my time in government, we rarely had an investigation involving a homegrown terrorist that did not, at some point or another, touch upon Anwar Awlaki and how he inspired them or inspire in Samir Khan as being an ideologue to which these individuals turned. And that message is going to continue to be out there.
but there's no doubt that, some of, their. messages are going to continue in my time in government we rarely had, an investigation involving a homegrown terrorist that did not at some point or another, touch upon anwar awlaki and. how he inspired them. or inspire in samir khan as being, an ideologue to which these individuals turned and that message is going to; continue to be out
But there's no doubt that some of their messages are going to continue In my time in, government we rarely had an investigation involving a homegrown. terrorist that did not at some, point or another touch upon, Anwar Awlaki and how he inspired them. or inspire in Samir Khan as being an ideologue to which these individuals turned And, that message is going to continue to be out
but there's no doubt that some of their messages are going to continue. in my time in government, we rarely had an investigation involving a homegrown terrorist that did not, at some point or another, touch upon anwar awlaki and how he inspired them or inspire in samir khan as being an ideologue to which these individuals turned. and that message is going to continue to be out there.
I want to ask you about the structure of al-Qaida. It has spawned affiliates over the years. How has the structure, though, evolved over the past decade beyond just affiliates spinning off?
i want to ask you about the structure of al-qaida it has, spawned affiliates over the years how has the structure though evolved over the past decade beyond just affiliates spinning
I want to ask you about; the structure of al-Qaida It has spawned affiliates over the, years How has the structure though. evolved over, the past decade beyond just affiliates spinning
i want to ask you about the structure of al-qaida. it has spawned affiliates over the years. how has the structure, though, evolved over the past decade beyond just affiliates spinning off?
Of course, on 9/11 when we're struck, al-Qaida was a very hierarchical organization with a defined leader in bin Laden and a number two in Zawahiri. As you've said, over the past 10 years, we've seen affiliates be spawned in Iraq, in Yemen, of course, affiliates also in Somalia and North Africa.
of course. on 9/11 when we're struck al-qaida was a very hierarchical organization, with a defined leader in bin laden and a number two in zawahiri as you've said over the past 10 years we've seen. affiliates be spawned in iraq in yemen of course, affiliates also in somalia and north
Of course on 9/11 when we're struck al-Qaida was a very hierarchical organization with a defined leader in bin Laden and. a number two in. Zawahiri As you've said over. the past 10 years we've seen affiliates be. spawned in Iraq in Yemen of course affiliates also in Somalia and North
of course, on 9/11 when we're struck, al-qaida was a very hierarchical organization with a defined leader in bin laden and a number two in zawahiri. as you've said, over the past 10 years, we've seen affiliates be spawned in iraq, in yemen, of course, affiliates also in somalia and north africa.
Usually, when a leader is eliminated, it is the affiliates' responsibility to find a replacement. And I think, especially with the death of bin Laden, the relationship between the affiliates and al-Qaida in Pakistan is less important today than it has been in the past.
usually when a leader, is eliminated it is the. affiliates' responsibility to find a replacement and i think especially with the death of bin laden the relationship between the affiliates and al-qaida in pakistan is less important; today. than it has been in the
Usually when a leader is eliminated it is the affiliates' responsibility to find a replacement, And I think especially with the death of bin Laden. the. relationship between the affiliates and al-Qaida in Pakistan is less important. today than it has been in the
usually, when a leader is eliminated, it is the affiliates' responsibility to find a replacement. and i think, especially with the death of bin laden, the relationship between the affiliates and al-qaida in pakistan is less important today than it has been in the past.
There have been a string of these high profile strikes against key al-Qaida targets, the strike that killed Osama bin Laden in May. But after that, the U.S. government says nine al-Qaida senior operatives have been killed in U.S. strikes. Can you explain - does one strike generate intelligence that leads to another?
there have been a string of these high profile strikes against key al-qaida targets, the strike that killed osama bin laden in may but after that the u.s government says nine al-qaida senior operatives have been; killed in u.s strikes can you explain - does one strike generate intelligence that leads to
There have been a, string of these high profile strikes against key al-Qaida targets the strike. that killed Osama bin Laden in May But after that the U.S government says nine al-Qaida senior operatives have been killed. in U.S strikes, Can you explain - does one strike generate intelligence that leads to
there have been a string of these high profile strikes against key al-qaida targets, the strike that killed osama bin laden in may. but after that, the u.s. government says nine al-qaida senior operatives have been killed in u.s. strikes. can you explain - does one strike generate intelligence that leads to another?
Well, without going into any sensitive sources and methods, they often do. You see the network of operatives react to the death of one leader, and that reaction can often lead to further opportunities. But I think more importantly, in a way, strategically, it is the pressure on all parts of the network that weaken the whole.
well, without going into any sensitive sources, and methods they often do you see the network of operatives react. to the death of one leader and that reaction can often lead to further opportunities but, i think more importantly in a way strategically it is the pressure on all parts of the, network that weaken, the
Well without going into any sensitive, sources and. methods they often do You see the network of operatives react to the death of one leader and that reaction can often lead to further opportunities. But I, think more importantly in a way strategically it is the pressure on all parts of, the network that weaken the
well, without going into any sensitive sources and methods, they often do. you see the network of operatives react to the death of one leader, and that reaction can often lead to further opportunities. but i think more importantly, in a way, strategically, it is the pressure on all parts of the network that weaken the whole.
Michael Leiter recently left his post as the director of the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center. Michael, thanks so much for coming in.
michael leiter recently left his post as the director of the u.s national counterterrorism center michael thanks so much for. coming
Michael Leiter recently left his post as the director of the; U.S, National Counterterrorism Center Michael, thanks so much for coming
michael leiter recently left his post as the director of the u.s. national counterterrorism center. michael, thanks so much for coming in.
My pleasure. Thanks very much, Rachel.
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American officials are becoming more confident in their belief that a Taliban leader is dead. President Obama's National Security Advisor General James Jones spoke yesterday on Fox News Sunday, and you can listen to the way that he changes verb tense when he discusses the Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud.
american officials are becoming more confident in their belief that a taliban leader is dead president obama's national security advisor general james jones. spoke. yesterday on fox news, sunday and you can listen to the way that, he changes verb tense when he discusses the taliban leader baitullah,
American officials are becoming more, confident in their belief that a. Taliban leader is dead President. Obama's National, Security Advisor, General James Jones spoke. yesterday on Fox News Sunday and you can listen to the; way that. he changes verb tense when he discusses the. Taliban leader Baitullah,
american officials are becoming more confident in their belief that a taliban leader is dead. president obama's national security advisor general james jones spoke yesterday on fox news sunday, and you can listen to the way that he changes verb tense when he discusses the taliban leader baitullah mehsud.
Mehsud is a - was a very bad individual, a real thug responsible for a lot of violence, a lot of innocent people losing their lives. And I think that if there's dissention in the ranks and if, in fact, he is - as we think - dead, this is a positive indication that in Pakistan, things are turning for the better.
mehsud. is a, - was, a very bad individual a real thug responsible for a lot of violence a lot of innocent. people losing their lives and i think that if there's dissention in the ranks. and if in fact he is - as we think - dead this is a positive indication that in pakistan things are turning, for the
Mehsud is a - was a very bad individual a real thug responsible for a lot of violence, a lot of innocent people, losing their lives And I think that if there's dissention in. the ranks and. if in fact he is - as we think, - dead this is, a positive indication that in Pakistan things are turning for the
mehsud is a - was a very bad individual, a real thug responsible for a lot of violence, a lot of innocent people losing their lives. and i think that if there's dissention in the ranks and if, in fact, he is - as we think - dead, this is a positive indication that in pakistan, things are turning for the better.
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The abortion debate has sat on the front burner of American politics since the Roe vs. Wade decision more than 30 years ago. But Sandra Day O'Connor's recent resignation from the Supreme Court promises to bring the issue back to a boil. Both pro-life and pro-choice forces see the Supreme Court vacancy as an opportunity that must be seized. Money is pouring into activist coffers, protesters have hit the streets, ads from both sides are already on the airwaves.
the abortion debate. has, sat on the. front. burner of american politics, since the roe vs wade decision more than 30 years ago but sandra day o'connor's recent resignation from, the supreme court promises to bring the issue back to a boil both pro-life and pro-choice forces see the supreme court vacancy as. an, opportunity that must be seized money is pouring into activist coffers protesters have hit the streets ads from both sides are already on the
The abortion debate has sat on the front burner of American politics since the Roe vs Wade decision more than, 30 years ago But Sandra Day O'Connor's recent, resignation from the Supreme Court promises to bring the issue back to, a boil Both pro-life. and pro-choice forces see the Supreme, Court vacancy as an opportunity that must, be seized Money is pouring into activist coffers protesters have hit the streets ads from both sides are already on the
the abortion debate has sat on the front burner of american politics since the roe vs. wade decision more than 30 years ago. but sandra day o'connor's recent resignation from the supreme court promises to bring the issue back to a boil. both pro-life and pro-choice forces see the supreme court vacancy as an opportunity that must be seized. money is pouring into activist coffers, protesters have hit the streets, ads from both sides are already on the airwaves.
But after three decades of arguing over abortion, the terms of the debate have hardly changed. Both sides seem to overlook the fact that a majority of Americans say they want the Supreme Court to uphold Roe v. Wade, but also support some restrictions on abortion. In other words, there are a lot of gray areas in a debate that is usually framed in terms of black and white.
but after three decades of arguing over abortion the terms of the debate have hardly changed both sides. seem to overlook the fact that a majority of americans say they want the supreme court to uphold, roe v wade but, also support some restrictions on abortion in other words there are a lot of gray areas in a debate that is usually. framed in terms of. black and
But after three decades, of arguing over abortion. the terms of, the debate have hardly changed Both. sides seem to overlook the fact that a majority of Americans say they want the Supreme Court to uphold Roe v Wade but also support some restrictions. on abortion In other words there are a lot of. gray areas in a debate that is usually framed in terms of black and
but after three decades of arguing over abortion, the terms of the debate have hardly changed. both sides seem to overlook the fact that a majority of americans say they want the supreme court to uphold roe v. wade, but also support some restrictions on abortion. in other words, there are a lot of gray areas in a debate that is usually framed in terms of black and white.
Later in the program, the Olympic impact on east London and fashion under the Golden Arches.
later in the program the olympic impact on east london and fashion under the golden
Later in. the program the Olympic impact on east London and fashion under the Golden
later in the program, the olympic impact on east london and fashion under the golden arches.
But first, common ground in the abortion debate. We'll take a look at the current legal landscape surrounding abortion, and we'll ask the heads of Republicans For Choice and Democrats for Life about how to find the common ground. Whatever your views on abortion, do you believe the two sides can work together on shared goals? Is there a common ground? Our number here in Washington is (800) 989-8255. That's (800) 989-TALK. And our e-mail address is [email protected].
but first common ground in the abortion debate we'll take a look at the current legal landscape surrounding abortion and we'll ask the heads of, republicans for choice and democrats. for life. about how to find, the common ground whatever your views on abortion do you believe; the two sides can work together on shared goals? is there, a, common ground? our number here in washington is (800) 989-8255. that's (800) 989-talk and our e-mail address is
But first, common ground in the abortion debate We'll take a. look at the current legal landscape surrounding abortion and we'll, ask the heads of Republicans. For Choice and Democrats for Life about how to find the common. ground Whatever your views on abortion do you believe the two sides can work together on shared goals? Is there a common ground? Our number here in Washington is (800) 989-8255. That's (800) 989-TALK And our e-mail address is;
but first, common ground in the abortion debate. we'll take a look at the current legal landscape surrounding abortion, and we'll ask the heads of republicans for choice and democrats for life about how to find the common ground. whatever your views on abortion, do you believe the two sides can work together on shared goals? is there a common ground? our number here in washington is (800) 989-8255. that's (800) 989-talk. and our e-mail address is [email protected].
With us now in Studio 3A to get the conversation going is NPR's health policy correspondent Julie Rovner.
with. us now in studio 3a to get the conversation going is npr's health policy correspondent julie
With us now. in Studio 3A to get the conversation. going is NPR's health. policy correspondent Julie
with us now in studio 3a to get the conversation going is npr's health policy correspondent julie rovner.
Julie, great to have you here.
julie great to have you,
Julie great to have you
julie, great to have you here.
Nice to be here.
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Well, Sandra Day O'Connor, of course, was considered a conservative, and yet many of her votes were seen as supportive of abortion rights, so what impact might her replacement have on this abortion issue?
well sandra. day o'connor of. course was. considered a. conservative and yet many of her votes were seen as supportive of abortion, rights so what impact might her replacement have on this abortion
Well Sandra Day O'Connor of course was considered a conservative. and yet many of her votes were seen as, supportive of abortion rights; so what impact might her replacement have on. this abortion
well, sandra day o'connor, of course, was considered a conservative, and yet many of her votes were seen as supportive of abortion rights, so what impact might her replacement have on this abortion issue?
Well, you're gonna hear both sides in the coming debate argue that she's gonna--that this will be a pivotal change, that the pro-choice side are gonna say that, you know, `We could have--we could see a real turn back.' Pro-life side is gonna say, `But Roe vs. Wade isn't in danger.' And in some ways they're both right. What we've seen with Justice O'Connor is that in 1992, she wrote what was considered the controlling decision in a key case that actually reframed Roe. Said that, `There is a right to abortion. We're not gonna overturn that. But it's not gonna be quite as broad as it had been before.' So she basically signaled that, like most of the country, she is for a right to abortion, but with restrictions.
well you're gonna hear both sides in the coming debate argue that she's gonna--that this will be a pivotal change that, the pro-choice side are gonna say that you know `we, could have--we could see, a real turn back' pro-life side is gonna say. `but roe vs wade isn't in danger' and in some ways they're both right what we've seen with justice o'connor is that in 1992, she wrote what was considered the controlling decision in a key case that actually reframed roe said that. `there is a right, to abortion we're not gonna overturn that but it's not gonna be quite as broad as it, had been before' so she basically signaled that like most of the country she is for a right to abortion but with
Well you're gonna hear; both sides, in, the coming debate argue that she's gonna--that this will be a pivotal change that the pro-choice side are gonna say that you, know `We could have--we could see a real turn back' Pro-life side is gonna say `But Roe vs Wade isn't in danger' And in some ways, they're both, right What we've seen. with Justice O'Connor is that in 1992, she wrote, what was considered. the controlling decision in a key case that actually. reframed Roe Said that `There. is, a right to, abortion We're not gonna overturn that But it's not gonna be quite as broad as it had been before' So she basically signaled that like most of the country she is for a right to abortion but with
well, you're gonna hear both sides in the coming debate argue that she's gonna--that this will be a pivotal change, that the pro-choice side are gonna say that, you know, `we could have--we could see a real turn back.' pro-life side is gonna say, `but roe vs. wade isn't in danger.' and in some ways they're both right. what we've seen with justice o'connor is that in 1992, she wrote what was considered the controlling decision in a key case that actually reframed roe. said that, `there is a right to abortion. we're not gonna overturn that. but it's not gonna be quite as broad as it had been before.' so she basically signaled that, like most of the country, she is for a right to abortion, but with restrictions.
Now having said that, in ensuing cases she's actually been more on the pro-choice side than the pro-life side, which was not the case before that. She had actually--when she came to the court, she actually was--voted with the bloc that tended to be for more restrictions and a little bit against Roe vs. Wade. So what we can see is that some of these cases where there was a 5-to-4 decision, the most, I think, important one being the 2000 case where this court struck down a Nebraska law outlawing the procedure that's known as partial-birth abortion, there's a federal law in that that's now working its way through the courts. That was a 5-to-4 decision. She was on the 5 side that struck the law down. There would be a possibility that her successor could reverse that, be a 5-to-4 ruling to uphold that.
now having said that in ensuing. cases she's actually, been more on the pro-choice side than. the pro-life side which was not. the case before that she had actually--when she came to. the court she actually was--voted with the bloc. that tended to be for more restrictions and a little bit against roe. vs wade. so what we can see is that some of these cases where there was a 5-to-4 decision, the most i think important. one being the 2000 case where this court struck down, a nebraska law outlawing the procedure that's known. as partial-birth abortion there's; a federal law in that that's. now working its way through the courts that was a 5-to-4 decision she was on the 5 side that struck the law down there, would be a possibility that her successor, could reverse that be a 5-to-4 ruling to uphold
Now having said that in ensuing cases she's actually been more on the pro-choice side than. the pro-life side which was not the, case before that She had actually--when she came to the court she actually was--voted with the. bloc that tended to be for more restrictions, and a little bit against Roe vs Wade So what we can see is that some of these cases where. there was a 5-to-4 decision, the most I think important one being the 2000 case, where this, court struck down a Nebraska law outlawing, the procedure that's known as partial-birth, abortion there's a federal law in that that's now. working its way through the courts That was a 5-to-4 decision She was on the 5 side that struck the law down There would be a possibility that her successor could reverse that, be a 5-to-4 ruling to uphold
now having said that, in ensuing cases she's actually been more on the pro-choice side than the pro-life side, which was not the case before that. she had actually--when she came to the court, she actually was--voted with the bloc that tended to be for more restrictions and a little bit against roe vs. wade. so what we can see is that some of these cases where there was a 5-to-4 decision, the most, i think, important one being the 2000 case where this court struck down a nebraska law outlawing the procedure that's known as partial-birth abortion, there's a federal law in that that's now working its way through the courts. that was a 5-to-4 decision. she was on the 5 side that struck the law down. there would be a possibility that her successor could reverse that, be a 5-to-4 ruling to uphold that.
OK. Now Sandra Day O'Connor, as I understand it, sort of created the idea of--that there can be no undue burden. Let's talk about what that means, that idea of undue burden in terms of getting an abortion.
ok now sandra day o'connor as i understand it sort of created the idea of--that, there can be no undue burden let's talk about what that means that idea of, undue burden in terms of getting an
OK Now Sandra Day O'Connor as I understand it sort of, created the idea of--that there can be no undue burden. Let's talk about what that. means that idea of undue burden in terms of. getting an
ok. now sandra day o'connor, as i understand it, sort of created the idea of--that there can be no undue burden. let's talk about what that means, that idea of undue burden in terms of getting an abortion.
Well, this goes back to--it goes back originally to Roe vs. Wade, which established abortion as a fundamental right that could only be regulated with a test that passed strict scrutiny, and what Sandra Day O'Connor had advocated for several years and finally sort of wrote into legal jurisprudence in 1992 was the idea that maybe the right shouldn't be that broad, that it shouldn't be considered a fundamental right; rather, the state does have an interest in regulating abortion. They simply cannot have a regulation that would be considered an undue burden on that right. So she established the idea of maybe it's a little bit easier to have some regulation to--in fact, in that case in 1992, the court upheld certain regulations that it had struck down previously: a 24-hour waiting period and what they call informed consent where women have to listen to a speech about how abortion actually works. Those are things that had been considered not constitutional under the original Roe framework but OK under this sort of new undue burden test.
well this goes back to--it goes back, originally to roe vs wade which established abortion as a fundamental right that. could only be regulated. with a test that passed strict scrutiny and. what sandra day o'connor had advocated for, several years and finally sort of wrote into legal jurisprudence in 1992 was the idea that, maybe, the right shouldn't be that broad that it shouldn't be considered a, fundamental right rather the state does have an interest in regulating abortion they simply cannot have a regulation that. would be considered an undue burden, on that right. so she established the idea of maybe it's a little bit easier to have some regulation to--in fact in that case in 1992, the court, upheld certain. regulations that it had struck down previously: a 24-hour waiting period and what they call informed consent where women have to listen to a speech about how abortion actually works those are things that had been considered not constitutional under the original roe framework but ok under this sort of, new undue burden
Well this. goes back to--it goes back originally to Roe vs Wade which. established abortion as a, fundamental; right that could only be, regulated with a. test. that. passed strict scrutiny and, what Sandra Day O'Connor had advocated for several years and; finally sort of, wrote into, legal jurisprudence in 1992 was the idea that maybe the right, shouldn't, be that broad that it shouldn't be considered a fundamental right rather the state does have an, interest in regulating abortion They simply cannot, have a regulation, that would be considered an undue burden on that. right So she. established the idea of maybe it's a little bit easier to, have some regulation, to--in fact in that case in 1992, the court upheld certain; regulations that it had struck down previously: a 24-hour waiting period and what they. call. informed consent, where women have to listen to a speech about how abortion actually. works Those are things that had been. considered not constitutional under the. original Roe framework but OK under this sort of new undue burden
well, this goes back to--it goes back originally to roe vs. wade, which established abortion as a fundamental right that could only be regulated with a test that passed strict scrutiny, and what sandra day o'connor had advocated for several years and finally sort of wrote into legal jurisprudence in 1992 was the idea that maybe the right shouldn't be that broad, that it shouldn't be considered a fundamental right; rather, the state does have an interest in regulating abortion. they simply cannot have a regulation that would be considered an undue burden on that right. so she established the idea of maybe it's a little bit easier to have some regulation to--in fact, in that case in 1992, the court upheld certain regulations that it had struck down previously: a 24-hour waiting period and what they call informed consent where women have to listen to a speech about how abortion actually works. those are things that had been considered not constitutional under the original roe framework but ok under this sort of new undue burden test.
But there's no real specific definition for what that undue burden means, right?
but. there's no real specific, definition for what that undue burden means
But there's no real specific definition for what that undue burden. means
but there's no real specific definition for what that undue burden means, right?
No.
no.
I mean, it has to be tested every single time?
i mean it has to be tested every single
I mean it has to be tested every single
i mean, it has to be tested every single time?
It has to be tested every single time, and that's been sort of one of the complaints about it is that it's hard to--you don't really know what an undue burden is until it gets to the Supreme Court.
it has to be tested every single time and that's been sort of one of the complaints about it. is, that it's hard to--you don't really know what an undue burden. is until. it gets to the supreme
It has to be tested every single, time and that's been, sort of one of the complaints. about it is that it's hard to--you. don't really know what an; undue burden is until it gets to the Supreme.
it has to be tested every single time, and that's been sort of one of the complaints about it is that it's hard to--you don't really know what an undue burden is until it gets to the supreme court.
Yeah. So we have coming up--now what are some of the cases that we have coming up immediately that are gonna affect--that we need to look at in terms of abortion?
yeah so we have coming up--now what are some of the cases that we have coming up; immediately that are gonna affect--that we need to look at in terms of
Yeah So we have coming up--now what are some of the, cases that we have coming up immediately that are gonna affect--that we need to, look at in terms of
yeah. so we have coming up--now what are some of the cases that we have coming up immediately that are gonna affect--that we need to look at in terms of abortion?
In the next term, the court has taken a case from New Hampshire on a New Hampshire parental notification law, although interestingly the issue is not so much parental notification, which the court has upheld many times in many cases. Basically they've said that it is legal to require that a parent be notified before a teen-ager can have an abortion; however, there must be a judicial bypass if there are situations in which the teen does not want to approach a parent, usually in the case of incest, some sort of abuse, but also other cases, if the teen is mature enough to go to a judge. What's at issue in this New Hampshire case, however, is that there is an exception that can be made to that notification if the life of the teen-ager is in danger, but not if her health is in danger. This is the case--this is the issue on which the last partial-birth abortion turned, and the issue on which the federal one may turn, also, because the court has said repeatedly that there must be an exception for a woman's health as--in addition to her life. Pro-life forces have said that renders legislation meaningless, because health has been interpreted to mean mental health, and obviously any woman who is pregnant against her desires is going to be stressed and have some mental duress, so that that could make--it would make the exception the rule.
in the next term the court has taken a case from new hampshire on a new hampshire parental notification law although interestingly the issue is not so much parental notification. which the court has upheld. many times in many cases basically they've said that it is legal to require that a parent be notified before a teen-ager can have an abortion however there must be a, judicial bypass if there are situations in which the teen does not want to approach a parent usually in the case of incest some sort of abuse but also other cases. if the teen is mature enough to. go to a judge what's, at issue in this new hampshire case however is that there is an exception that can be made to that notification if the life of the, teen-ager is in danger but not if her health is in danger this is the case--this is the issue on which the last partial-birth abortion turned and the issue on which. the federal one, may turn also because the court, has, said repeatedly that there, must be an exception for a woman's health; as--in addition to her life, pro-life forces have said that renders legislation meaningless because health has been, interpreted to mean, mental health and obviously any woman who is pregnant against her, desires; is going to be stressed and have some mental duress so that that could make--it would make the exception the
In the next term the court has taken a, case from New Hampshire. on a New Hampshire parental notification law although interestingly the issue is not so much parental notification which the court has upheld many times in many cases Basically they've said that it, is legal to require that a parent be notified before a teen-ager can have an abortion however there must be a. judicial bypass if there are situations in which the teen does not want to approach a parent usually in the case of incest. some sort of abuse but also other cases if the teen. is mature enough to go to a judge What's at issue in this New Hampshire. case however, is that there is an exception that can be made to that notification if the life of the teen-ager is in danger but not if her health is in danger; This is the case--this is the issue on which the last partial-birth abortion, turned and the issue, on which the federal one may, turn also because the court has said repeatedly that. there must be an exception for a woman's health as--in, addition to her life Pro-life forces have said that renders legislation meaningless because health has; been interpreted to mean mental health and obviously any woman who is pregnant against. her desires is. going to be stressed and have some mental duress so that that could make--it would make the exception the
in the next term, the court has taken a case from new hampshire on a new hampshire parental notification law, although interestingly the issue is not so much parental notification, which the court has upheld many times in many cases. basically they've said that it is legal to require that a parent be notified before a teen-ager can have an abortion; however, there must be a judicial bypass if there are situations in which the teen does not want to approach a parent, usually in the case of incest, some sort of abuse, but also other cases, if the teen is mature enough to go to a judge. what's at issue in this new hampshire case, however, is that there is an exception that can be made to that notification if the life of the teen-ager is in danger, but not if her health is in danger. this is the case--this is the issue on which the last partial-birth abortion turned, and the issue on which the federal one may turn, also, because the court has said repeatedly that there must be an exception for a woman's health as--in addition to her life. pro-life forces have said that renders legislation meaningless, because health has been interpreted to mean mental health, and obviously any woman who is pregnant against her desires is going to be stressed and have some mental duress, so that that could make--it would make the exception the rule.
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What do all these incremental decisions mean really, ultimately, in terms of Roe v. Wade? The way you're describing it, as you're sitting here talking about it, I'm starting to think, you know, this seems like just endless court cases, endless court cases.
what do all these incremental. decisions mean really ultimately in terms of roe v wade? the way you're describing it. as you're sitting here talking about it i'm starting to think; you know this seems like just endless court cases endless court
What do all. these incremental. decisions mean really ultimately in. terms, of Roe. v Wade? The way you're describing it as you're sitting. here, talking about it I'm starting to think you; know this seems like just, endless court cases endless court
what do all these incremental decisions mean really, ultimately, in terms of roe v. wade? the way you're describing it, as you're sitting here talking about it, i'm starting to think, you know, this seems like just endless court cases, endless court cases.
It feels--on the one hand it feels like endless court cases; on the other hand there is something to say about a right to abortion that is not available. There's an issue of access. I think that's what the pro-choicers have been saying over the years. Now there's something to--there are fewer and fewer people actually providing abortion services. Abortion has been marginalized, if you will, sort of out of hospitals, into free-standing surgical centers, and it's easier to then target those if you're a protester. So there are many more counties in which abortion is not available, and I think that's the concern about some of these regulations, is that while the public may support the idea of many of these regulations; in fact, you may get to a point where there's so many regulations, that it's a right without any ability to exercise it.
it feels--on the one hand it feels like endless court cases on the other hand; there is something to say about a right to abortion that. is not available there's an; issue of access i think. that's. what the pro-choicers have been saying over the years now there's something to--there are fewer and fewer people actually providing, abortion services abortion has been marginalized if you will sort of out of hospitals. into free-standing surgical centers and it's easier to then target those if you're a protester, so there are many more counties in which abortion is not available and; i think that's the concern about some of these regulations is that while the public may. support the idea of many of these regulations in fact you may get to a point where there's so many regulations that it's a right without any ability to exercise
It feels--on the one hand it feels. like endless court cases, on the other hand there is something, to say. about a right to abortion that is not available There's an, issue of access, I think that's what, the pro-choicers have been saying over the; years Now, there's something to--there are fewer and fewer people actually providing abortion. services Abortion has been marginalized if you will sort of out of hospitals into free-standing surgical centers and it's easier to then target those if you're a protester So there are many more counties. in which abortion is not available and I think that's the concern, about. some of these regulations is that while the, public may support the idea of many of these regulations in fact you may get to a point. where there's so many. regulations that it's a right without any ability. to exercise
it feels--on the one hand it feels like endless court cases; on the other hand there is something to say about a right to abortion that is not available. there's an issue of access. i think that's what the pro-choicers have been saying over the years. now there's something to--there are fewer and fewer people actually providing abortion services. abortion has been marginalized, if you will, sort of out of hospitals, into free-standing surgical centers, and it's easier to then target those if you're a protester. so there are many more counties in which abortion is not available, and i think that's the concern about some of these regulations, is that while the public may support the idea of many of these regulations; in fact, you may get to a point where there's so many regulations, that it's a right without any ability to exercise it.
Yeah. We're talking about middle ground here on the show. And if there is any middle ground on abortion, what is that middle ground? How do we reach that middle ground so that this debate is not as divisive as it has been over the many years? If you'd like to join our discussion, our number is 1 (800) 989-8255.
yeah we're. talking about middle ground here on the show and if there is any middle ground; on abortion what is, that middle ground? how do we reach that middle ground so that this debate is not as divisive as it has been over the many years? if you'd like to join our discussion our number is
Yeah We're talking about middle ground here on, the show And if there is any middle. ground. on abortion what is that. middle ground? How do we reach that middle ground so that this debate is not as divisive as it has been over the many years? If you'd like to join our discussion our number is
yeah. we're talking about middle ground here on the show. and if there is any middle ground on abortion, what is that middle ground? how do we reach that middle ground so that this debate is not as divisive as it has been over the many years? if you'd like to join our discussion, our number is 1 (800) 989-8255.
And let's talk about that middle ground a little bit, Julie. I'm just wondering, you know, how do the two sides, pro-life, pro-choice--not talking about their being middle ground right now, but the two sides, how do they view these battles around these restrictions? Do they--does a pro-life, for instance, see it as a way to get at abortion or--I mean, how do they view it?
and let's talk about. that middle ground a, little bit julie. i'm just wondering you, know how do the two sides pro-life pro-choice--not talking about their being middle, ground right now but the two sides how do they view these battles around these restrictions? do they--does a pro-life for instance see it, as a way to get at abortion or--i mean how do they view
And let's talk, about. that middle ground a little bit Julie I'm just wondering. you know how. do the two sides pro-life pro-choice--not talking about their being middle ground right now but the two sides how do they view, these battles around these restrictions? Do they--does a pro-life for instance see it as a way to get, at abortion, or--I mean how do they view
and let's talk about that middle ground a little bit, julie. i'm just wondering, you know, how do the two sides, pro-life, pro-choice--not talking about their being middle ground right now, but the two sides, how do they view these battles around these restrictions? do they--does a pro-life, for instance, see it as a way to get at abortion or--i mean, how do they view it?
Well, basically what happens is that each side advocates the issues that are sort of--that they have the biggest majority on. So what you end up seeing is the debate become polarized rather than brought to the middle. In the case of the pro-lifers, they know that people--that the public supports abortion more strongly, very early in pregnancy, and as you go further into pregnancy, they support it less. So they take something that they dub partial-birth abortion, which happens in the late second, early third trimester, there's something where the public can mobilize in favor of that.
well basically what happens. is that each, side advocates the issues that are sort of--that they have the biggest majority on so, what you end up seeing is the debate become polarized rather than brought to the middle in the case of the pro-lifers they know that, people--that the public supports abortion more strongly very early in pregnancy and as, you go further into pregnancy they support it less so they take something that they dub partial-birth abortion which happens in the late second early third trimester there's something where the public can mobilize in. favor of
Well, basically what, happens, is that each side advocates the issues that are sort of--that they have, the biggest majority on So what you end up seeing is the. debate become polarized rather than brought to the middle In the. case of the pro-lifers they know that people--that the public supports abortion more, strongly very early in pregnancy. and as you go further, into pregnancy they support it less So they take something that they dub partial-birth abortion which happens in the late second early third trimester there's something where the public can, mobilize. in favor. of
well, basically what happens is that each side advocates the issues that are sort of--that they have the biggest majority on. so what you end up seeing is the debate become polarized rather than brought to the middle. in the case of the pro-lifers, they know that people--that the public supports abortion more strongly, very early in pregnancy, and as you go further into pregnancy, they support it less. so they take something that they dub partial-birth abortion, which happens in the late second, early third trimester, there's something where the public can mobilize in favor of that.
On the other hand, the other side will talk about the morning-after pill, birth control, even RU-486, which actually is an abortion pill, which the morning-after pill--another debate. But they'll go to the beginning of pregnancy...
on the other hand the; other side will talk about the morning-after pill birth control even ru-486, which. actually is an abortion pill, which the morning-after pill--another. debate but they'll go. to, the beginning of
On the other hand the, other side. will talk about the, morning-after pill birth control even. RU-486, which actually is an abortion pill which the. morning-after pill--another debate. But they'll go to the beginning of
on the other hand, the other side will talk about the morning-after pill, birth control, even ru-486, which actually is an abortion pill, which the morning-after pill--another debate. but they'll go to the beginning of pregnancy...
Right.
right.
...where abortion is much more accepted, and they'll look at that. They'll talk about sex education, they'll talk about preventing pregnancy. So it's a matter of each side retreating to its corners of the boxing ring, if you will, and yet sort of never get to that middle ground.
...where abortion is much more accepted and they'll look at. that they'll talk about sex education they'll talk about preventing pregnancy so it's a matter of each side retreating to its corners of the boxing ring if you will and yet sort of never get to. that middle
...where, abortion is much, more accepted and they'll look, at that They'll talk about sex; education. they'll talk about preventing pregnancy So, it's a matter; of, each side retreating to its corners of the, boxing ring if you will and yet sort of never get to that middle
...where abortion is much more accepted, and they'll look at that. they'll talk about sex education, they'll talk about preventing pregnancy. so it's a matter of each side retreating to its corners of the boxing ring, if you will, and yet sort of never get to that middle ground.
All right. Let's see if we can take a call now. There's Woody in Miami, Florida.
all right let's see. if we can take a call; now there's woody in miami
All right Let's see if we, can take a call now There's Woody in Miami
all right. let's see if we can take a call now. there's woody in miami, florida.
Hi, Woody.
hi
Hi
hi, woody.
Hi. How are you doing?
hi how are you
Hi How are you
hi. how are you doing?
I'm good. Go ahead.
i'm good go
I'm good Go
i'm good. go ahead.
OK. I don't think there should be--is going to be a compromise. I'm not for compromise. It's either--I am for abortion, and I think it's a woman's choice.
ok i don't think, there should be--is going to be a compromise. i'm not for compromise. it's either--i am for abortion and i think, it's a woman's
OK I don't, think, there should be--is going, to be a compromise I'm not for compromise It's either--I am for abortion and I think it's a, woman's
ok. i don't think there should be--is going to be a compromise. i'm not for compromise. it's either--i am for abortion, and i think it's a woman's choice.
It's a woman's choice, but do you...
it's a woman's choice but do
It's a woman's choice but do
it's a woman's choice, but do you...
It's a woman's call--no compromise.
it's a woman's call--no
It's. a woman's call--no
it's a woman's call--no compromise.
Do you believe in the possibility that there can be some restrictions on abortion? That there's some cases in which abortion should be restricted?
do you believe in the possibility that there can be some restrictions on abortion? that. there's some cases. in which abortion should; be
Do you believe in the possibility that there can be some restrictions on abortion? That there's; some cases. in which, abortion should be
do you believe in the possibility that there can be some restrictions on abortion? that there's some cases in which abortion should be restricted?
I don't think so. And first of all, it's a woman's choice--call on that, also, and I think it's a religious matter, church--separation of church and state thing, and I don't think there'll ever be or there should be a compromise, and this will go on endlessly forever.
i don't think so and first of all it's a woman's choice--call on that. also and i think it's a religious matter church--separation of church and state thing and i don't think there'll, ever be or there should be a compromise and this will go on endlessly
I don't think so And first of all it's a woman's choice--call on that also and I think it's, a religious, matter church--separation of church and state thing and I. don't think there'll ever be or there should be a compromise and. this will go on endlessly
i don't think so. and first of all, it's a woman's choice--call on that, also, and i think it's a religious matter, church--separation of church and state thing, and i don't think there'll ever be or there should be a compromise, and this will go on endlessly forever.
You think it's gonna go on endlessly forever?
you think it's gonna go on endlessly
You think it's gonna go, on endlessly
you think it's gonna go on endlessly forever?
Endlessly forever and ever.
endlessly, forever and
Endlessly forever and
endlessly forever and ever.
There's nowhere where you can see compromise at all?
there's nowhere where you can see compromise at
There's nowhere where, you can see compromise at
there's nowhere where you can see compromise at all?
No.
no.
OK. All right. Well, there you go. There's the--thanks for your call, Woody...
ok all right well there you go there's the--thanks for your call
OK. All right Well there you go There's the--thanks for your call
ok. all right. well, there you go. there's the--thanks for your call, woody...
My pleasure.
my
My
my pleasure.
...and for certainly articulating what I think we know is out there, which is really incredibly strong feelings on this subject. Julie.
...and, for certainly articulating. what, i think we know is out there which is really incredibly strong feelings on this subject
...and. for certainly articulating what I think we know is out there which is really incredibly strong feelings on this subject
...and for certainly articulating what i think we know is out there, which is really incredibly strong feelings on this subject. julie.
Although if you actually look at the polling, you have the very--the people on this side, that it should absolutely be the woman's choice, no regulation, that's a very small minority. The people on the other side, it should absolutely be illegal under all circumstances, although that's a very small minority, also. That's...
although if you actually look at the polling you have the very--the people on this side that it should absolutely, be the woman's choice no regulation that's a very small minority the. people on the other side it should absolutely be illegal under all circumstances although that's a very small minority, also
Although if you actually look at the polling you have. the very--the people on this side that it should; absolutely be the woman's, choice. no. regulation that's, a very small minority The people on the other side it should absolutely be illegal under all circumstances although that's a very small minority also
although if you actually look at the polling, you have the very--the people on this side, that it should absolutely be the woman's choice, no regulation, that's a very small minority. the people on the other side, it should absolutely be illegal under all circumstances, although that's a very small minority, also. that's...
Why do they control the debate then?
why, do they control. the, debate
Why do they control the, debate
why do they control the debate then?
Because of the groups. You said that--this at the beginning, that this is an issue that is really mobilized, and now groups--they're spending money. They're also raising money. It's a way for groups on both sides to actually, you know, key into a very emotional issue, and so it's better for the groups themselves to keep things polarized because they can, you know, keep their grass roots motivated, keep everybody excited, than it is to come to the middle. And boy, when elected lawmakers try to come to the middle, then they tend to get hammered by both sides. I remember back in the--guess it was the early 1990s, Nancy Landon Kassebaum, then a senator, tried to do a middle-ground parental notification law, and she just got hammered by both sides. There's just no winning this.
because of the groups you said that--this at the beginning that this is an issue that is really mobilized and now. groups--they're spending money they're also raising money it's a way for. groups on both sides, to actually you know key into a very emotional issue and so it's better for the groups themselves to keep. things polarized because they can, you know keep their grass roots motivated keep, everybody excited than it is to come to the middle, and boy, when elected lawmakers try to come to the middle. then they tend to get hammered by both sides i remember back in the--guess it was, the. early 1990s nancy landon kassebaum, then a senator tried to do a middle-ground, parental notification law and she just got hammered by both sides there's just no winning
Because of the groups You said that--this at the beginning that this is an issue; that is really mobilized and now groups--they're spending money They're also raising money It's a way for groups. on both sides to, actually you know key into a very emotional, issue; and so it's better for the groups themselves to keep things polarized because they can you know keep their grass roots motivated keep everybody excited than it is to come to the. middle, And boy when elected lawmakers try, to come to, the middle then they tend to. get hammered by both. sides I remember back in the--guess it was the early 1990s; Nancy Landon Kassebaum then a senator tried to do a middle-ground parental notification law and she just got. hammered by both sides There's, just no winning
because of the groups. you said that--this at the beginning, that this is an issue that is really mobilized, and now groups--they're spending money. they're also raising money. it's a way for groups on both sides to actually, you know, key into a very emotional issue, and so it's better for the groups themselves to keep things polarized because they can, you know, keep their grass roots motivated, keep everybody excited, than it is to come to the middle. and boy, when elected lawmakers try to come to the middle, then they tend to get hammered by both sides. i remember back in the--guess it was the early 1990s, nancy landon kassebaum, then a senator, tried to do a middle-ground parental notification law, and she just got hammered by both sides. there's just no winning this.
Well, you know something--a very interesting development right now is that President Bush has reacted very strongly to being pushed hard by the right, and particularly on this issue, and according to a front-page article in The New York Times today, Republican congressional leaders and the White House are both pushing back and saying, `Don't push so hard on this.' How do you interpret what's going on there?
well you know something--a very interesting development right now is that president bush has reacted very strongly, to being pushed hard by the right and, particularly on this issue. and according to a front-page article in the new york times today republican congressional leaders and the. white house are both pushing back and saying `don't push so hard on this' how do you. interpret what's going on
Well you know something--a very interesting development, right now is that President Bush has reacted very strongly to being pushed. hard by the right and particularly, on, this issue; and according to a front-page article in The New York Times today Republican congressional leaders and the White House are both pushing back and saying `Don't push so hard on this' How, do you interpret what's going on
well, you know something--a very interesting development right now is that president bush has reacted very strongly to being pushed hard by the right, and particularly on this issue, and according to a front-page article in the new york times today, republican congressional leaders and the white house are both pushing back and saying, `don't push so hard on this.' how do you interpret what's going on there?
I interpret that--and there's a quote to this effect in this story, as saying, `Let's let the left be the ones that look like they're foaming at the mouth. If we're very quiet and well-behaved, we'll let--we'll paint them as the extremists and them as doing the blocking.' I mean, I think that that asking them to back off is part of the strategy rather than part of the actual process.
i interpret that--and there's a quote to this effect in this story as; saying `let's let the left be the ones that look like they're foaming at the, mouth if we're very quiet and well-behaved we'll let--we'll paint them as the extremists and them as, doing the blocking' i mean, i think. that that asking them to back off is part of the strategy rather. than part of the actual
I; interpret that--and there's a quote to this effect in this story as saying `Let's let the left be, the ones that look like they're foaming at, the mouth If we're very quiet and well-behaved we'll; let--we'll paint them as the extremists and them as; doing the blocking' I mean I think. that that asking them to back off is part of the strategy rather than part of the actual
i interpret that--and there's a quote to this effect in this story, as saying, `let's let the left be the ones that look like they're foaming at the mouth. if we're very quiet and well-behaved, we'll let--we'll paint them as the extremists and them as doing the blocking.' i mean, i think that that asking them to back off is part of the strategy rather than part of the actual process.
Well, it's hard to imagine that whoever is nominated there won't be a huge fight. As we said at the beginning, the stakes--in fact, even though Roe itself, or a--let's not call it Roe--a right to abortion is not likely at issue, even with this change, there are still really only three justices on the court now who would vote to overturn Roe, so if there were to be a fourth it would still be 5-to-4. Notwithstanding, there are a lot of these key issues that could, in fact, go the other way just with the replacement of Justice O'Connor. So it is, in fact, a big deal. And...
well it's, hard to imagine. that whoever is nominated. there won't be a huge, fight as we said at the beginning the stakes--in fact even though roe itself or a--let's; not call it roe--a right to abortion is not likely at issue even with this change there are still really only three justices, on the court now who would vote to overturn roe so if there were to be a fourth it would still, be 5-to-4. notwithstanding there are a lot of these key issues that could in fact go, the other way just with the replacement of justice o'connor so it is in fact a big deal
Well it's hard to imagine that whoever is nominated there, won't be, a huge fight As; we said at the beginning the stakes--in fact. even though, Roe itself or a--let's not call it Roe--a right to abortion is not, likely at issue even with this change there are, still, really only three justices; on the court. now who would vote to overturn Roe so if there were to be a, fourth it would still be 5-to-4. Notwithstanding there are a lot of these key issues that could, in fact go the other way just, with the replacement of Justice O'Connor So it is, in fact a big deal
well, it's hard to imagine that whoever is nominated there won't be a huge fight. as we said at the beginning, the stakes--in fact, even though roe itself, or a--let's not call it roe--a right to abortion is not likely at issue, even with this change, there are still really only three justices on the court now who would vote to overturn roe, so if there were to be a fourth it would still be 5-to-4. notwithstanding, there are a lot of these key issues that could, in fact, go the other way just with the replacement of justice o'connor. so it is, in fact, a big deal. and...
And even if Rehnquist resigns, that's not gonna upset that balance?
and, even if rehnquist resigns. that's not gonna upset, that
And even. if Rehnquist resigns that's not, gonna upset that
and even if rehnquist resigns, that's not gonna upset that balance?
No, because he's one of the three.
no because he's one of the
No because he's one of the
no, because he's one of the three.
Right.
right.
So there would need to be somebody--it would have to be one of the Breyer, Ginsburg, Stevens or Souter who would have to go to really tip the balance for fundamental--for change in the actual right to abortion. But because of many of these restrictions in play, it's gonna be a big fight.
so there would need to be somebody--it would have to be one of, the breyer ginsburg stevens or souter who would have to go to really tip. the balance for fundamental--for, change in, the actual. right to abortion but because of many of these restrictions in play it's gonna be a big
So, there would need to be somebody--it would have to be one of, the Breyer Ginsburg Stevens or Souter who would have to go to really tip the balance for fundamental--for change in the actual, right to abortion But because of many of these restrictions in play it's gonna be a big
so there would need to be somebody--it would have to be one of the breyer, ginsburg, stevens or souter who would have to go to really tip the balance for fundamental--for change in the actual right to abortion. but because of many of these restrictions in play, it's gonna be a big fight.
Julie Rovner, thanks so much for being with you.
julie rovner thanks, so much for. being with
Julie Rovner thanks so much for being with
julie rovner, thanks so much for being with you.
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We're talking this hour about the abortion debate in America as the opposing camps gear up for the Supreme Court nomination battle. We're in search of a middle ground. A recent CNN-USA Today poll found that a majority of Americans say they think abortion should be legal under certain circumstances. Is finding agreed-upon limitations the solution to the abortion debate? Would moving the process to the legislatures do it? Or is there no civil middle ground? What do you think? Whatever your views, is there a compromise you can live with if it means an end to this debate? If you talk with people who disagree with you on this issue, how do you keep the conversation civil? Give us a call at (800) 989-TALK, and our e-mail address is [email protected].
we're talking this hour about the abortion debate in america as the. opposing camps gear up for. the supreme court nomination. battle we're in search of a middle ground a recent cnn-usa today, poll found that, a; majority of americans say they think abortion should be legal under certain circumstances is finding. agreed-upon limitations the solution to the abortion debate? would moving the process to the, legislatures do. it? or is. there no civil middle ground? what do you think? whatever your views is there a compromise you can live with if it means, an end to this debate? if you talk with people who; disagree with you on this issue how do you keep the conversation civil? give us a call at (800) 989-talk and our e-mail address is
We're talking this hour about the abortion debate in America as the opposing camps gear up. for the Supreme Court, nomination battle We're in search of a middle ground A recent CNN-USA, Today poll found that a majority of, Americans say. they think abortion should be legal under certain circumstances Is finding agreed-upon limitations the solution, to the abortion, debate? Would moving the process to the legislatures do it? Or is there no civil middle, ground? What do you think? Whatever, your views is there a compromise you can live with if it. means an end to this debate? If you talk with people who disagree with you on this issue how do you keep the conversation civil? Give us a call at (800) 989-TALK and our e-mail address is
we're talking this hour about the abortion debate in america as the opposing camps gear up for the supreme court nomination battle. we're in search of a middle ground. a recent cnn-usa today poll found that a majority of americans say they think abortion should be legal under certain circumstances. is finding agreed-upon limitations the solution to the abortion debate? would moving the process to the legislatures do it? or is there no civil middle ground? what do you think? whatever your views, is there a compromise you can live with if it means an end to this debate? if you talk with people who disagree with you on this issue, how do you keep the conversation civil? give us a call at (800) 989-talk, and our e-mail address is [email protected].
And joining us now in Studio 3A are Ann Stone, and she is the national chair of Republicans For Choice, and Kristen Day, executive director of Democrats for Life. And, yes, you heard me right on both counts. Let's...
and joining us now in studio. 3a are ann stone and she is the national chair of republicans for choice and, kristen day executive director of democrats for life and yes, you heard me right on both counts
And joining us now in Studio 3A are Ann Stone and she, is the national chair of Republicans For Choice and Kristen Day executive director. of Democrats for Life And yes you heard me right on both counts
and joining us now in studio 3a are ann stone, and she is the national chair of republicans for choice, and kristen day, executive director of democrats for life. and, yes, you heard me right on both counts. let's...
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You've never had, two oxymorons in this studio, at once have
you've never had two oxymorons in this studio at once, have you?