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Rick Sautter was one of those officers from the Kirk. | rick sautter was one of. those officers. from the | Rick. Sautter was one of. those officers from the | rick sautter was one of those officers from the kirk. |
That was the last vestige of South Vietnam. And when those flags came down and the American flags went up, that was it, because a Navy ship is sovereign territory. And so that was the last sovereign territory of the Republic of Vietnam. | that was the last vestige of south vietnam and when those flags came down and the, american flags went up that was it because. a navy, ship is sovereign territory and, so that was the, last sovereign territory of the republic of | That was the last, vestige of South Vietnam And when those flags came; down and the American flags went up that was it because, a, Navy ship is sovereign territory And so that was the last sovereign, territory of the Republic of, | that was the last vestige of south vietnam. and when those flags came down and the american flags went up, that was it, because a navy ship is sovereign territory. and so that was the last sovereign territory of the republic of vietnam. |
Captain Kiem Do. | captain kiem | Captain Kiem | captain kiem do. |
Just like having your tuna phone home. | just like having your tuna phone | Just like having your tuna phone | just like having your tuna phone home. |
And also stand still to salute and raise up the American flag, which is - that's the flag that save our life. | and also, stand still to salute and raise up the american flag which is - that's the flag that save our | And also stand still to salute and raise, up the American flag which is - that's the flag. that save our | and also stand still to salute and raise up the american flag, which is - that's the flag that save our life. |
The Vietnamese military officers took off their hats, ripped the stripes off their uniforms, and threw them into the sea. On May 7th, the ships were allowed into Subic Bay. For the refugees, there'd still be a long ways to go. They'd take other ships to Guam. Eventually, most resettled in the United States. | the vietnamese military officers took off their. hats ripped the stripes off their uniforms and threw them into the sea on may 7th the ships were allowed into subic bay for the refugees there'd still be a long ways to go they'd take other ships, to guam eventually. most resettled in. the united | The Vietnamese military officers took; off their hats ripped the stripes off their uniforms and threw them into the sea, On May 7th the ships were allowed into Subic Bay For the refugees. there'd still be a long ways to go, They'd take other ships, to Guam Eventually most resettled in the United | the vietnamese military officers took off their hats, ripped the stripes off their uniforms, and threw them into the sea. on may 7th, the ships were allowed into subic bay. for the refugees, there'd still be a long ways to go. they'd take other ships to guam. eventually, most resettled in the united states. |
I dont know what youve been reading in the news. I dont know how much of a play this evacuation of the Vietnamese navy is getting. But sorry -the whole thing was kind of cool in the way we did it. | i. dont know what youve been reading in the news i dont know how much of. a, play this evacuation of the vietnamese; navy is getting. but sorry. -the whole thing, was kind of cool in, the way we did, | I dont know what youve been reading in the news I dont know how, much of a. play, this evacuation of the Vietnamese navy is getting But sorry -the whole thing was kind, of cool in; the way. we did | i dont know what youve been reading in the news. i dont know how much of a play this evacuation of the vietnamese navy is getting. but sorry -the whole thing was kind of cool in the way we did it. |
What Hugh Doyle and the men of the Kirk didn't know was that there'd been no coverage in the U.S. | what hugh doyle and the men of the kirk didn't know was that there'd been no coverage in the | What Hugh Doyle and the men. of the Kirk didn't. know was that there'd been no coverage in the | what hugh doyle and the men of the kirk didn't know was that there'd been no coverage in the u.s. |
I heard that there was a comment made by Radio Hanoi the other night about an American destroyer who flagrantly stole the Vietnamese navy. | i heard that. there was a comment made, by radio hanoi the other night, about. an american destroyer who flagrantly stole the vietnamese | I heard that there was a comment made by Radio Hanoi the other night about an American, destroyer who; flagrantly stole the Vietnamese | i heard that there was a comment made by radio hanoi the other night about an american destroyer who flagrantly stole the vietnamese navy. |
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If you saw that comment, that was USS Kirk. We were the ones that grabbed it. | if you saw that comment that was uss kirk. we were the ones that grabbed | If you saw. that comment that was USS Kirk We were. the ones. that grabbed | if you saw that comment, that was uss kirk. we were the ones that grabbed it. |
It was the USS Kirk that grabbed the South Vietnamese navy, and started the rescue of 20,000 to 30,000 refugees on a humanitarian mission that was forgotten - until now. Joseph Shapiro, NPR News. | it was; the uss kirk that grabbed the south vietnamese navy and started the rescue of, 20,000 to 30,000 refugees on a humanitarian mission that was forgotten - until now joseph shapiro npr | It was the USS Kirk that; grabbed. the South Vietnamese navy and started the rescue of 20,000 to 30,000 refugees on a humanitarian mission that was forgotten - until now Joseph Shapiro, NPR | it was the uss kirk that grabbed the south vietnamese navy, and started the rescue of 20,000 to 30,000 refugees on a humanitarian mission that was forgotten - until now. joseph shapiro, npr news. |
You can see video and photos of the Kirk, read a timeline of its mission, and hear more tales from the sailors and refugees, at npr.org. | you can see video. and. photos of, the kirk read a timeline of its mission and hear more tales from the sailors and refugees at, | You can see video and photos. of the Kirk read, a timeline of its mission and hear more tales; from the sailors and refugees at | you can see video and photos of the kirk, read a timeline of its mission, and hear more tales from the sailors and refugees, at npr.org. |
From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Melissa Block. | from npr news this, is. all things considered i'm melissa | From NPR, News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'm Melissa | from npr news, this is all things considered. i'm melissa block. |
And I'm Michele Norris. | and i'm michele | And I'm Michele | and i'm michele norris. |
The water cooler chat as the week began was all about that giant, silver balloon that drifted 50 miles across Colorado with no six-year-old boy trapped inside. America was chatting because they'd learned that it was all a hoax. A hoax cooked up by the Heene family. Their alleged goal: To land their own reality TV show. Instead, they landed in the middle of a federal investigation. That episode got us wondering. How do reality shows select their stars? How do they find folks like Jon and Kate Gosselin of the TLC show, �Jon & Kate Plus 8.� | the water cooler chat as the week began was all about that giant silver balloon that drifted; 50 miles across colorado with no six-year-old boy, trapped inside america was chatting because they'd learned that it was. all a hoax a, hoax cooked up by the heene family their alleged goal: to land their own reality tv show instead they. landed in the middle of a federal investigation that episode got us wondering. how do reality shows select their stars? how do they find folks like jon. and kate gosselin of the tlc show �jon & kate plus | The water cooler chat as the; week began was all about that giant silver, balloon that drifted 50 miles, across Colorado with no six-year-old boy trapped; inside America was chatting because they'd learned that it was all a hoax A. hoax cooked up by the Heene family Their, alleged goal: To land, their own reality TV show Instead, they landed in the middle of a federal investigation That, episode got us wondering How, do reality shows select their; stars? How do they find folks like Jon and Kate Gosselin of the TLC show �Jon & Kate Plus, | the water cooler chat as the week began was all about that giant, silver balloon that drifted 50 miles across colorado with no six-year-old boy trapped inside. america was chatting because they'd learned that it was all a hoax. a hoax cooked up by the heene family. their alleged goal: to land their own reality tv show. instead, they landed in the middle of a federal investigation. that episode got us wondering. how do reality shows select their stars? how do they find folks like jon and kate gosselin of the tlc show, �jon & kate plus 8.� |
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It all started with the two of us. | it all started with the two of | It all started with the two of | it all started with the two of us. |
Then we had our beautiful twin girls. | then we had our. beautiful twin, | Then we had our, beautiful twin | then we had our beautiful twin girls. |
Cara and Madelyn. | cara and | Cara and | cara and madelyn. |
Or the prodigious Duggar family of the show �18 Kids and Counting.� | or the prodigious duggar family of the show �18 kids and | Or the prodigious Duggar family of the show �18 Kids and | or the prodigious duggar family of the show �18 kids and counting.� |
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And our children, Josh, Jana, John-David, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna... | and, our children josh jana john-david jill jessa jinger joseph josiah | And our children Josh Jana John-David Jill Jessa Jinger Joseph Josiah | and our children, josh, jana, john-david, jill, jessa, jinger, joseph, josiah, joy-anna... |
To find out, let's go straight to the source. Bill Hayes is the founder and president of Figure 8 Films. He's developed both those shows as well as several others and he joins us now. Welcome to the program. | to find out let's go straight to the source bill hayes is the founder and president of figure 8 films he's developed both, those shows as well as several others and he joins us; now welcome to the | To find out let's go straight to the source Bill Hayes is, the, founder and president of Figure 8 Films He's developed both those shows as well, as several others and he, joins us, now Welcome to the | to find out, let's go straight to the source. bill hayes is the founder and president of figure 8 films. he's developed both those shows as well as several others and he joins us now. welcome to the program. |
Thank you very much for having me. | thank you very much for having | Thank you very much for having | thank you very much for having me. |
As auditions go, what do you make of that balloon stunt? Is that the right way to go about getting your own reality TV show? | as auditions go what do, you. make of that balloon stunt? is that, the right way to go about getting your own reality tv | As auditions go what. do you make of that balloon stunt? Is, that the, right way to go about getting your own reality TV | as auditions go, what do you make of that balloon stunt? is that the right way to go about getting your own reality tv show? |
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No, and I find it very sad. It's a sort of a reflection of what lengths people will try to go to, to actually be on television, which is a bit of a crazy thing. We would never select somebody like that. One, because of their motivation, and, two, the network requires us to do a background check on everybody, and this family wouldn't have made it very far in that process. | no and i find it very sad. it's a sort of a reflection of what lengths, people will try to go to to actually be on television which is a. bit of, a crazy thing we would never select somebody like that one because of their motivation and two the network requires us to do a background; check. on everybody and this family wouldn't have made it very far in that | No and I find it very sad It's a sort of a reflection of what lengths people will try to go to to actually be on television which is a bit of a crazy thing We. would, never select somebody like that One because of their motivation and. two the network requires us to do, a background check on everybody and this family wouldn't have made it very far in that | no, and i find it very sad. it's a sort of a reflection of what lengths people will try to go to, to actually be on television, which is a bit of a crazy thing. we would never select somebody like that. one, because of their motivation, and, two, the network requires us to do a background check on everybody, and this family wouldn't have made it very far in that process. |
Well, it sounds like you're looking for regular families but to some degree there has to be something outstanding about them, or in some cases even unusual in the case of these shows because they have really big families. So, how do you balance that? | well it sounds like you're looking for regular families but to some degree there has to be something outstanding about them or in some cases, even unusual in the case, of these shows, because they have really big, families so; how do you balance | Well it sounds like you're looking for regular families but to some degree. there has to be something outstanding, about them or in some cases, even unusual in the case of these shows because they have really big, families So. how do you balance | well, it sounds like you're looking for regular families but to some degree there has to be something outstanding about them, or in some cases even unusual in the case of these shows because they have really big families. so, how do you balance that? |
Well, the word actually we use is not regular, it's relatable. We look for people that our audience can relate to. And then you have to find something that that's extraordinary about their lives so that people will say wow. That's - our job is to create or tell stories with our subjects and we're very much about having our subjects be participants in their own storytelling. And a lot of the subjects who are great for television are typically people who don't want to even be on television. | well the word actually we use is not regular it's relatable we look for people that our audience can relate to and then you have, to find something that that's extraordinary; about their lives so that people will say wow that's - our job is, to create or tell stories with our subjects and we're very much about having our subjects be participants. in their own storytelling and a lot of the subjects who are great for television are, typically people, who. don't want to even be on | Well the word actually we use is not regular it's, relatable We look. for people; that our audience can relate to And then you have. to find something that that's extraordinary. about their lives so that people will say wow That's - our job is to; create or tell stories with our subjects and we're very much about having our, subjects. be participants in. their own, storytelling And, a lot of. the subjects who are great for television are typically people who. don't want to, even be on | well, the word actually we use is not regular, it's relatable. we look for people that our audience can relate to. and then you have to find something that that's extraordinary about their lives so that people will say wow. that's - our job is to create or tell stories with our subjects and we're very much about having our subjects be participants in their own storytelling. and a lot of the subjects who are great for television are typically people who don't want to even be on television. |
So, do you find them or do they find you? I mean, is this a case where you don't really want anyone in the club who actually wants to be there? | so do you find them or do they find. you? i mean is this a case where you don't really want anyone in the club who actually. wants to be | So do you find them or do they find you? I mean is. this a case where you don't really want anyone, in the club, who actually wants to be | so, do you find them or do they find you? i mean, is this a case where you don't really want anyone in the club who actually wants to be there? |
You know, I don't want to discourage anyone from reaching out to us with their story. We, a lot - I get submissions every day and I get some crazy ones quite often. The truth is we typically find the stories as opposed to them finding us. | you know i, don't want to discourage anyone from reaching out to us. with their story we, a lot - i get submissions, every day and i get. some crazy ones quite often the truth is we typically find the stories as opposed to them finding | You know I don't want to, discourage anyone from reaching out to us with their story We a lot - I get. submissions every day and, I get some crazy ones quite often The, truth is we typically find the stories as opposed to them finding | you know, i don't want to discourage anyone from reaching out to us with their story. we, a lot - i get submissions every day and i get some crazy ones quite often. the truth is we typically find the stories as opposed to them finding us. |
You get submissions. What do people send in? | you get, submissions what do people send | You get submissions What do people send | you get submissions. what do people send in? |
Oh, goodness. One of my favorites was an optician had sent me a package, and they had this really nice thing to clean your glasses with, which I'm always losing the things to clean my glasses with, so I thought that was great. I couldn't really see doing a television show but at least I got something out of the submission. | oh goodness one of; my, favorites, was an optician had sent me. a package, and, they had this really. nice. thing to. clean your glasses with which i'm. always losing the things to clean my glasses with so i thought that was great i couldn't really see doing a television show but at least. i got something out of the | Oh. goodness One of my favorites was. an optician had, sent me a package and they had this really nice thing to clean your glasses with which I'm always losing the things to clean my glasses with so I thought that was great I couldn't really see doing a television; show but at least. I got something out of the | oh, goodness. one of my favorites was an optician had sent me a package, and they had this really nice thing to clean your glasses with, which i'm always losing the things to clean my glasses with, so i thought that was great. i couldn't really see doing a television show but at least i got something out of the submission. |
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But, you know, it's submissions about adopted families, a few weeks ago a guy in prison reached out and wanted to tell his story and wanted to change his life, could be single dads, it could be large, adopted families with way too many animals, just a variety of different people who, God bless them, think they have a story to tell. And those are great stories to tell. I have to tell them look it's - what we're doing is very specific to this particular network, TLC, and their demographic and the types of programs they want. | but you know it's submissions about adopted families a few weeks ago a. guy in prison reached out and wanted to tell his story and wanted. to change his life could be single; dads it could be large adopted families with way too many animals just. a variety of different people who god bless them think they, have. a story to tell; and those are great stories to tell i have to tell them look it's - what we're doing is very specific to this particular, network tlc and their demographic and the, types. of programs they | But you know it's submissions about adopted families a few weeks ago a guy in, prison reached out and wanted to tell his story and wanted to, change his life could be single dads it could be large adopted families with way; too many animals just a variety of different people who God bless them think they have a story to tell And those are great stories. to tell I have to tell them look it's - what we're. doing is very specific to this particular network TLC and, their demographic and, the. types of programs they | but, you know, it's submissions about adopted families, a few weeks ago a guy in prison reached out and wanted to tell his story and wanted to change his life, could be single dads, it could be large, adopted families with way too many animals, just a variety of different people who, god bless them, think they have a story to tell. and those are great stories to tell. i have to tell them look it's - what we're doing is very specific to this particular network, tlc, and their demographic and the types of programs they want. |
You know, there is something perplexing about this because, you know, many of us get hives when we have to prepare for company coming over, you know, does the house look good, do I even have... | you know there is something perplexing about this, because you know many of us get hives when we have to prepare for company coming over you know does the house look good do i even | You know there is something perplexing about this because you know many of us get. hives when we have to prepare for company, coming over you know does. the house look good do I. even. | you know, there is something perplexing about this because, you know, many of us get hives when we have to prepare for company coming over, you know, does the house look good, do i even have... |
I'm with you. Trust me, I... | i'm with you trust me | I'm with you Trust me | i'm with you. trust me, i... |
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...food in the refrigerator. In this case, you know, inviting multiple cameras and lights and, you know, everything else that comes along with a major TV production. It makes me wonder why would anyone do this? | ...food in the refrigerator in this case you know. inviting multiple cameras and lights and you know everything else that comes along, with a major tv production it makes me wonder why would anyone do | ...food in the refrigerator In this case; you know inviting multiple cameras. and lights and you know everything else that comes, along with a major, TV production It makes me wonder why would anyone do | ...food in the refrigerator. in this case, you know, inviting multiple cameras and lights and, you know, everything else that comes along with a major tv production. it makes me wonder why would anyone do this? |
Yes, that's clearly a Fed goal here. I mean, what's happened in this economy is people have run away from risk. Nobody wants to take risk. Well, if nobody takes risk, you don't have much of an economy. So clearly one of the things they're trying to do is say, look, if you want to stay in cash, on short-term accounts, great. But you're going to earn next to nothing on those and, in fact, on very short-term Treasury bills, you are earning virtually zero. | yes that's clearly a fed, goal here, i mean what's happened in this economy is people have run away from risk nobody wants to take risk well if nobody takes risk you don't have much of an, economy so. clearly one of, the things they're trying to do is say look if you want to stay in cash on short-term accounts great but you're going to earn next to. nothing on, those and in fact on. very short-term treasury bills you are earning virtually | Yes that's clearly a Fed goal. here. I mean what's happened in this economy is people have run away from risk Nobody wants to take risk Well if nobody takes risk you don't have much of, an economy So clearly one of, the things they're. trying to do is say look if, you want to stay in cash on short-term accounts great But you're going to earn next to nothing on. those, and in fact on very short-term Treasury bills you are earning virtually | yes, that's clearly a fed goal here. i mean, what's happened in this economy is people have run away from risk. nobody wants to take risk. well, if nobody takes risk, you don't have much of an economy. so clearly one of the things they're trying to do is say, look, if you want to stay in cash, on short-term accounts, great. but you're going to earn next to nothing on those and, in fact, on very short-term treasury bills, you are earning virtually zero. |
So what they're trying to say is if you want to earn any money on your capital, Mr. and Mrs. investor and corporations and venture capitals et cetera, you've got to take more risks. You've got to put money into the stock market, you've got to start buying corporate bonds as opposed to just hiding in Treasuries. They're definitely trying to force people out there. Now, you can make the argument that people who have been sitting on cash this year made the right decision because virtually everyone else has lost incredible amounts of money, except those in Treasuries. So, you know, yes, they want you to take more risks, but a lot of people obviously don't want to take risks, and if you stay in those short-term accounts, you're going to earn very little or nothing. | so what. they're trying to say, is. if you want to earn any money on your capital mr and mrs investor. and corporations and venture capitals, et cetera you've got, to take more risks you've got to put money into the stock market. you've got to start, buying. corporate bonds as opposed to just hiding in treasuries they're definitely trying to force people out there now you can make the argument that people who have, been sitting on cash this year made the right decision because virtually everyone else has lost, incredible amounts, of money except those in treasuries, so you know yes they want you to take more risks but a lot of, people obviously don't want to take risks; and if you stay in those short-term accounts you're going to, earn very little or | So what they're trying to say is if you want. to earn any money on your capital Mr and Mrs investor and corporations and venture capitals et cetera you've got to take more risks You've got to put, money, into, the. stock market you've got to start buying corporate bonds as opposed to just hiding in Treasuries They're definitely trying to force people out there Now you can make the argument that people who have been sitting. on. cash this year made the right decision because virtually everyone else has; lost. incredible amounts of money. except those in Treasuries So you know yes they want you to take more risks but a lot of people obviously don't want to take risks and if you stay. in those short-term accounts you're going to earn. very little or | so what they're trying to say is if you want to earn any money on your capital, mr. and mrs. investor and corporations and venture capitals et cetera, you've got to take more risks. you've got to put money into the stock market, you've got to start buying corporate bonds as opposed to just hiding in treasuries. they're definitely trying to force people out there. now, you can make the argument that people who have been sitting on cash this year made the right decision because virtually everyone else has lost incredible amounts of money, except those in treasuries. so, you know, yes, they want you to take more risks, but a lot of people obviously don't want to take risks, and if you stay in those short-term accounts, you're going to earn very little or nothing. |
We're talking with Tom Petruno, a financial writer for the Los Angeles Times about the shock and awe move by the Federal Reserve yesterday, and if you'd like to get in on the conversation, give us a call, 800-989-8255. Email us, [email protected]. And let's start with Tammy. Tammy's with us from Newark in Delaware. | we're talking with. tom, petruno a financial writer for the. los angeles times about the shock and awe move by the federal reserve yesterday and if you'd like to get in on the conversation give us a call 800-989-8255. email us [email protected] and let's start with, tammy tammy's with us from newark in | We're talking with Tom. Petruno a financial writer for the Los Angeles Times about the shock and awe move by the Federal Reserve yesterday and if you'd like to get in on the conversation give us a call 800-989-8255. Email us [email protected] And let's start with Tammy Tammy's with us from Newark in | we're talking with tom petruno, a financial writer for the los angeles times about the shock and awe move by the federal reserve yesterday, and if you'd like to get in on the conversation, give us a call, 800-989-8255. email us, [email protected]. and let's start with tammy. tammy's with us from newark in delaware. |
Hi. I would just like to know when it would be a good time to refinance my house. | hi i would just like to know when it would. be a good time to refinance my | Hi I would just like to. know when it would be. a. good time to refinance my | hi. i would just like to know when it would be a good time to refinance my house. |
I would say, you definitely want to start looking at refinancing. Some mortgage brokers are quoting rates of under 5 percent now on 30-year loans. The Fed is trying very hard and has emphasized they really want to try to get mortgage rates down more. One thing, one issue, of course, here is banks are not going to give mortgage loans anymore to people with bad credit. So your credit's going to have to be very good. The other issue is that if you're underwater with your mortgage in your house, in other words you have no equity in your house, you're not going to be able to refinance, obviously. So - but for those who can, you got equity in the house, let's say you're paying, you've got a mortgage at 6 percent or 6 and a half, definitely start shopping around now, and one other thing to keep in mind is the mortgage industry has shrunk dramatically in this country, obviously, over the last two years, and somebody said to me yesterday, this is not a business that they can handle a crush of refinancing. So the better - the sooner you get in the pipeline, I think, the better off you are. And you don't have to necessarily lock in a rate now, in case you think rates are going lower. But absolutely, if you have equity in the house and you're paying 6 percent or more on a mortgage, it is time to start looking at refinancing. | i would say you definitely want to start, looking at refinancing some mortgage, brokers are quoting rates of under 5 percent now on 30-year loans the fed is trying very hard and has emphasized they really want to try to get mortgage rates down more one thing one issue of course here is banks are not going to give mortgage loans anymore to people, with bad credit so your credit's going to. have to be very good the other issue is, that if you're underwater, with your mortgage in your house in other words you have no equity in your house you're, not going to be able to refinance obviously so - but. for those who can you got equity in. the house let's say you're paying you've got a mortgage at 6 percent. or 6 and a half definitely start shopping, around now and one other thing to keep. in mind is the mortgage industry has, shrunk dramatically in this country obviously over the last two years and, somebody said to me yesterday this is not a business that they can, handle a crush of refinancing so the better - the sooner you get in the pipeline i think the better off you, are and you don't have to, necessarily lock in. a rate now in case you think. rates are, going lower but absolutely if you have equity in the house and you're paying 6 percent or more on a mortgage it is time to start looking at | I would say. you definitely want to start looking at refinancing Some mortgage brokers are, quoting rates of under 5 percent now on 30-year, loans The Fed is trying very hard and has emphasized they. really want to try to get mortgage rates down more One thing one. issue of course here is, banks are not going to give mortgage loans anymore to people with bad, credit So your credit's going to have to be very good The other issue is that. if you're underwater with your mortgage in your house in other words you have no. equity in your house you're not going to; be able to refinance; obviously; So - but, for those who. can you got equity in the house. let's say you're paying you've got a mortgage at 6 percent. or 6 and a half definitely start shopping around, now and one other thing to keep in mind is the mortgage industry, has shrunk dramatically in this country obviously over the last two years and somebody said to me. yesterday this is not a business that they can handle a crush of refinancing So the better - the sooner you get in the pipeline I think the better off you are And you don't have to necessarily lock in. a rate now in case you think rates are going. lower But absolutely. if you have, equity in the house and, you're paying 6 percent or more on, a, mortgage it is time to start, looking at | i would say, you definitely want to start looking at refinancing. some mortgage brokers are quoting rates of under 5 percent now on 30-year loans. the fed is trying very hard and has emphasized they really want to try to get mortgage rates down more. one thing, one issue, of course, here is banks are not going to give mortgage loans anymore to people with bad credit. so your credit's going to have to be very good. the other issue is that if you're underwater with your mortgage in your house, in other words you have no equity in your house, you're not going to be able to refinance, obviously. so - but for those who can, you got equity in the house, let's say you're paying, you've got a mortgage at 6 percent or 6 and a half, definitely start shopping around now, and one other thing to keep in mind is the mortgage industry has shrunk dramatically in this country, obviously, over the last two years, and somebody said to me yesterday, this is not a business that they can handle a crush of refinancing. so the better - the sooner you get in the pipeline, i think, the better off you are. and you don't have to necessarily lock in a rate now, in case you think rates are going lower. but absolutely, if you have equity in the house and you're paying 6 percent or more on a mortgage, it is time to start looking at refinancing. |
Thank you. Thank you so much. | thank you, thank you so | Thank you Thank you so | thank you. thank you so much. |
You're welcome. | you're | You're | you're welcome. |
I should - it shouldn't behoove me - I was going to wait for them to drop lower but... | i should; - it shouldn't, behoove. me - i was going to. wait for them to drop lower | I should - it shouldn't behoove me - I was going to wait for them to drop lower, | i should - it shouldn't behoove me - i was going to wait for them to drop lower but... |
Well, yeah, and you know what? You can wait. I mean, but at least get - start shopping around with lenders. See what they can offer you. You don't necessarily need to lock in a rate. We don't know how low mortgage rates can go but - and the number of people have been just telling me in the last couple of days, at least, you know, get people into the pipeline. Start asking the questions, shopping around, seeing what lenders can do for you. You don't want to wait, because if we have some massive crush beginning early next year you may find it tough to even get somebody to answer the phone. | well yeah and you know what? you can wait i mean but, at least get - start. shopping around with lenders see what they can offer you you don't necessarily need to lock in a rate we don't know. how low mortgage rates can go, but - and the number of people have been just telling me in the last couple of, days at, least you know get people into the pipeline; start asking the questions shopping around seeing what lenders can do for you you, don't want, to wait because if we have some massive crush. beginning early next year you may; find it tough to even get somebody to. answer the | Well yeah and you know what? You can wait. I mean but. at least, get - start shopping around with lenders See, what they can offer you. You don't necessarily need to. lock in a rate We don't know how; low mortgage rates can go but - and the number of people have been just telling me in the last, couple of days at. least you know get people into the pipeline Start asking the questions shopping around seeing what lenders can do for you You don't want to wait because if we have some massive crush beginning. early next year you may; find it. tough to even get somebody, to answer the; | well, yeah, and you know what? you can wait. i mean, but at least get - start shopping around with lenders. see what they can offer you. you don't necessarily need to lock in a rate. we don't know how low mortgage rates can go but - and the number of people have been just telling me in the last couple of days, at least, you know, get people into the pipeline. start asking the questions, shopping around, seeing what lenders can do for you. you don't want to wait, because if we have some massive crush beginning early next year you may find it tough to even get somebody to answer the phone. |
Thank you so much. Thank you again. | thank you so much thank you | Thank you so much Thank you | thank you so much. thank you again. |
Good luck, Tammy. | good luck | Good luck | good luck, tammy. |
OK, thank you. Bye-bye. | ok thank you | OK thank you | ok, thank you. bye-bye. |
And let's see if we can go next to Phil. Phil is with us from Ithica, New York. | and let's, see if, we can go next to phil phil is with us. from ithica new | And let's see if we can go next to Phil Phil is with us from Ithica New | and let's see if we can go next to phil. phil is with us from ithica, new york. |
Hi. How you doing? | hi how you | Hi How you | hi. how you doing? |
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I just wanted to comment on how bad this federal reserve policy is for the value of the dollar. I mean, just over the past couple of days since the announcement came out yesterday and the dollar index has dropped by six points since then and the price of gold has shot up. And I mean, the policy just penalizes people who want to save money in dollars. And if you look at some of the statements that the Federal Reserve has made and that Bernanke has made over the past several years, it's clear that the way they're fighting deflation is to devalue the dollar and effectively penalize people who save in dollars and they even have talked in some of their papers about charging negative interest rates, eventually maybe even putting taxes on people who save money in dollars. So I think it's really going to discourage economic growth that would come about through savings and investment, and they just encourage more credit bubbles. | i just wanted to comment on how bad this, federal reserve policy. is for the value of the dollar i mean just over the past couple of days since the announcement came out yesterday and the dollar index has dropped by six points since then and the price of gold has shot up and i mean the policy just penalizes people who want to. save money in dollars and. if you look at some of the statements that the federal reserve has made and, that bernanke has made over the past several years it's clear that the way they're fighting deflation is to devalue, the dollar and effectively penalize people who save in dollars and they even have talked in some of their papers about charging negative interest rates eventually maybe even putting taxes on people who. save money in dollars so i think it's really going to discourage. economic growth that would come about through savings and, investment and they just encourage more. credit, | I just wanted to comment on how bad this federal reserve policy is for the value of the dollar I mean just over the. past couple of days since the announcement came out yesterday and the dollar index has dropped by six points since then and the price, of gold has shot up And I mean the policy just penalizes people who want to save money in dollars And if you look at some of the statements that the Federal Reserve has made and that Bernanke has made over the past several years it's clear that the way they're fighting deflation is to devalue the, dollar and effectively penalize, people who save. in dollars and, they even have talked in, some of, their papers about charging negative interest rates eventually maybe even putting taxes on people who save money in dollars So I think it's really going, to discourage economic growth that would. come about through savings and investment and they just encourage more credit | i just wanted to comment on how bad this federal reserve policy is for the value of the dollar. i mean, just over the past couple of days since the announcement came out yesterday and the dollar index has dropped by six points since then and the price of gold has shot up. and i mean, the policy just penalizes people who want to save money in dollars. and if you look at some of the statements that the federal reserve has made and that bernanke has made over the past several years, it's clear that the way they're fighting deflation is to devalue the dollar and effectively penalize people who save in dollars and they even have talked in some of their papers about charging negative interest rates, eventually maybe even putting taxes on people who save money in dollars. so i think it's really going to discourage economic growth that would come about through savings and investment, and they just encourage more credit bubbles. |
A lower dollar also hurts those who export to other countries, and there may be two or three of those left. Tom Petruno? | a lower dollar also hurts those, who export to other countries and there may. be two or three, of those. left. tom | A lower dollar also. hurts those who export, to other countries and there may be two or three of those left Tom | a lower dollar also hurts those who export to other countries, and there may be two or three of those left. tom petruno? |
Well, there's no question. The dollar is the sacrificial lamb here. And what the Fed has decided is, yes, we know this is likely to hurt the dollar, but they don't care at this point. I mean, that's the bottom line. If you give them the choice of you can have a strong dollar and you can have an economy that instead of contracting at a, you know, pick a number, 5 percent rate contracts at a 10 percent rate or something that would just be a total catastrophe. They don't care about the dollar. They're letting it go. He's absolutely right. The dollar has tanked in the last few days. | well there's no question the, dollar is the sacrificial lamb here and what the fed has decided is yes we know this is likely to hurt the dollar but they don't care at this point i mean that's the bottom line if you give. them the choice of you can have a strong dollar and you can have an economy that instead of contracting at a you know pick a, number 5 percent, rate contracts, at a. 10 percent rate or something that would just be a total catastrophe they don't. care about. the dollar they're letting it go he's absolutely right the dollar, has tanked in the last. few. | Well there's, no, question The; dollar is the sacrificial lamb here And, what the Fed has decided is yes we know this is likely to hurt the dollar but they don't care at this point, I mean. that's the bottom line. If you give them the. choice of you can have a strong dollar and you can have an economy that instead of contracting at, a. you know pick a number 5 percent rate contracts at a 10 percent rate or something that would just be a total; catastrophe They don't care about the dollar They're letting it go He's absolutely right The dollar has tanked in, the last few | well, there's no question. the dollar is the sacrificial lamb here. and what the fed has decided is, yes, we know this is likely to hurt the dollar, but they don't care at this point. i mean, that's the bottom line. if you give them the choice of you can have a strong dollar and you can have an economy that instead of contracting at a, you know, pick a number, 5 percent rate contracts at a 10 percent rate or something that would just be a total catastrophe. they don't care about the dollar. they're letting it go. he's absolutely right. the dollar has tanked in the last few days. |
But you know, there's some irony here. Yes, people are buying the Euro, investors and traders, are buying the euro rather than the dollar. Well, it's not as if Europe is in a better economics shape and, frankly, they may be in worse shape if their central bank doesn't get on with the mission of cutting interest rates as well. So, are we debasing the currency? Yes. But again, a weak dollar is going to help our exporters, and that's a big part of this, too, I think. You know, the administration - every administration, you know, from time immemorial, professes to want a strong dollar. Well, the manufacturing part of this economy, which is not all that huge but it's big enough, loves a weak dollar. I mean, it's more opportunities for them to sell abroad. So yes, they're sacrificing the dollar. No question about that. I would also note, it's the end of the year, trading's a little thin. I think some of these currency moves are exaggerated. But the Fed is debasing the currency. The gold bugs are going nuts. Everyone is buying gold here. But you know, it's rather, you know, interesting to look at this and say, well, buy the euro, why? Is the European economy in better shape? It's really not. They're going down almost as fast as we are. | but you know there's some irony here yes people are buying the euro investors and traders are buying the euro rather than the dollar well it's not. as if europe is in a better economics shape and frankly they may be in. worse shape, if; their, central bank doesn't get on with the mission, of cutting interest rates as well; so are we debasing the currency? yes but again a weak dollar is going to help our exporters and that's a big part of. this too i think you, know the administration - every administration you. know from time immemorial professes to want a strong dollar well the manufacturing part of this economy which is not all that huge but it's big enough loves a. weak dollar, i mean, it's more opportunities for them, to sell abroad so yes they're sacrificing the dollar no question about; that i would also note it's, the end of the; year trading's a little, thin i think some of these currency moves, are exaggerated, but the fed is debasing the currency the gold bugs are going nuts everyone is buying gold here but you know it's; rather you know, interesting to look at this. and say well buy the. euro why? is the european economy. in better shape? it's really not they're going down almost. as. fast as we | But you know there's some irony here Yes people are, buying the Euro investors and traders, are buying the euro rather than the dollar Well it's not as if, Europe, is in a better economics shape and. frankly, they. may be in. worse shape if their central bank doesn't get on with the mission of cutting interest rates as well So are we debasing the currency? Yes But again a weak dollar is, going, to help our. exporters and that's a big part of this too I think You know the administration - every administration you know from. time immemorial professes to want a strong dollar Well the manufacturing part of this economy which is not all. that huge but, it's big enough loves a weak dollar, I mean it's, more. opportunities for them to, sell. abroad So yes they're sacrificing. the dollar No question about that I would, also note it's; the end of the year trading's a little, thin I think some of. these currency moves are exaggerated But the Fed. is debasing the currency The gold bugs are going nuts Everyone is buying gold here But you know it's rather you know interesting to. look at this and say well buy the euro why? Is the European economy, in better shape? It's really, not They're going down almost as fast as we | but you know, there's some irony here. yes, people are buying the euro, investors and traders, are buying the euro rather than the dollar. well, it's not as if europe is in a better economics shape and, frankly, they may be in worse shape if their central bank doesn't get on with the mission of cutting interest rates as well. so, are we debasing the currency? yes. but again, a weak dollar is going to help our exporters, and that's a big part of this, too, i think. you know, the administration - every administration, you know, from time immemorial, professes to want a strong dollar. well, the manufacturing part of this economy, which is not all that huge but it's big enough, loves a weak dollar. i mean, it's more opportunities for them to sell abroad. so yes, they're sacrificing the dollar. no question about that. i would also note, it's the end of the year, trading's a little thin. i think some of these currency moves are exaggerated. but the fed is debasing the currency. the gold bugs are going nuts. everyone is buying gold here. but you know, it's rather, you know, interesting to look at this and say, well, buy the euro, why? is the european economy in better shape? it's really not. they're going down almost as fast as we are. |
Mm hmm. Do you think it's possible that when the economy does come out of recovery, that the Fed will - so, mop up after the excess liquidity or... | mm hmm do you. think it's possible that when the economy does come. out of recovery that the fed, will - so mop up after the excess liquidity | Mm hmm Do you think it's possible, that; when the economy does come out of recovery that the Fed will - so mop. up after the excess liquidity | mm hmm. do you think it's possible that when the economy does come out of recovery, that the fed will - so, mop up after the excess liquidity or... |
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You know, yes, absolutely. I mean, they have tried to stress that. That yes, we will - you know, their point is, look, yes, we may be creating an inflation problem down the road, right? By the debasing the currency, by pumping all this money in the credit system, but you know what? As a central banker, we know what to do about inflation. We can take the money away, we can raise interest rates, we can do whatever we needed to do to combat inflation. The problem with deflation, as we saw with the Japanese situation in the 1990s, is deflation becomes very difficult to battle. Once the mentality gets in there that people think, well, why buy something today? It'll only be cheaper tomorrow. That's how economies collapse. | you know yes absolutely i mean they have tried to stress that that yes we will - you know their point is look yes we may be creating an inflation problem down; the road right? by the debasing the currency by pumping all this money in the credit system but you know what? as a central banker we know what to do about inflation we can take the money away, we. can raise interest rates we can do whatever we needed to do to, combat inflation. the problem with, deflation as we saw with. the, japanese situation in the 1990s is deflation becomes very, difficult to battle once the. mentality gets in there, that, people, think well why buy something today? it'll only be cheaper. tomorrow that's how economies | You know yes absolutely I mean they have tried to stress that That yes we will - you, know their point is look. yes we may be creating an inflation problem down the road right? By the debasing the currency, by pumping, all this money in the credit system but you know what? As a central banker we know what to. do about inflation, We can take the money away we can raise interest rates we can do whatever, we needed to do to; combat inflation The problem with deflation as we saw with the Japanese situation in the 1990s is deflation, becomes very difficult to battle. Once the mentality gets in there that, people think well why buy something today? It'll only be cheaper tomorrow That's how economies | you know, yes, absolutely. i mean, they have tried to stress that. that yes, we will - you know, their point is, look, yes, we may be creating an inflation problem down the road, right? by the debasing the currency, by pumping all this money in the credit system, but you know what? as a central banker, we know what to do about inflation. we can take the money away, we can raise interest rates, we can do whatever we needed to do to combat inflation. the problem with deflation, as we saw with the japanese situation in the 1990s, is deflation becomes very difficult to battle. once the mentality gets in there that people think, well, why buy something today? it'll only be cheaper tomorrow. that's how economies collapse. |
So what they're doing is they're throwing the dollar (unintelligible) to say, we may have an inflation problem down the road. We'll deal it then. And the bond market, frankly, believes them. The bond market is not worried about this, and if the stock market was really worried about, you know, the U.S. turning into Zimbabwe with inflation, the market wouldn't be, you know, trying to hold up as well as it has since late November. So, yes, indeed. They're pledged, I think, to take away that liquidity, when in fact the time comes that they have to worry about inflation. But right now, that's a luxury. They're not worried about inflation, they're worried about deflation. That mentality taking hold and the U.S. repeating the Japanese situation. | so, what they're doing, is they're throwing the dollar (unintelligible) to. say we may have an inflation problem down the road we'll deal it then and the bond market frankly. believes them the bond market is not worried about this and if the stock market was really worried about, you know the u.s turning into zimbabwe with inflation the market wouldn't. be you know trying to hold up as well as it has since late november so yes indeed they're pledged i think. to take. away that liquidity when in fact the time comes that they have to worry about inflation but right now that's a luxury they're not worried about inflation they're worried about deflation that mentality taking hold and the u.s repeating, the. japanese | So what they're doing is they're; throwing the dollar (unintelligible) to say we may have an inflation. problem down the road We'll deal it then And the bond market frankly believes them The bond market is not worried about this and. if the stock market was really worried about you know the U.S turning into Zimbabwe with inflation the market wouldn't, be you, know trying to hold up as well as it has since late, November So yes indeed They're pledged I, think to take, away that liquidity when in fact the time comes that they have to worry about inflation, But right now that's a. luxury They're not worried about inflation they're worried about deflation, That mentality taking hold and the U.S repeating the, Japanese | so what they're doing is they're throwing the dollar (unintelligible) to say, we may have an inflation problem down the road. we'll deal it then. and the bond market, frankly, believes them. the bond market is not worried about this, and if the stock market was really worried about, you know, the u.s. turning into zimbabwe with inflation, the market wouldn't be, you know, trying to hold up as well as it has since late november. so, yes, indeed. they're pledged, i think, to take away that liquidity, when in fact the time comes that they have to worry about inflation. but right now, that's a luxury. they're not worried about inflation, they're worried about deflation. that mentality taking hold and the u.s. repeating the japanese situation. |
Phil, thanks very much. | phil thanks very | Phil thanks very | phil, thanks very much. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
We're talking with Tom Petruno of the Los Angeles Times, and you're listening to Talk of the Nation from NPR News. Let's get Bill on the line, Bill with us from St. Joseph's in Missouri. | we're talking, with tom petruno of the los angeles times and you're listening to talk. of. the nation. from npr news let's get bill on the, line bill with us from st, joseph's in | We're. talking with Tom, Petruno of. the Los Angeles Times and you're listening to Talk of the Nation from NPR News Let's get Bill, on, the line Bill with us from St Joseph's in | we're talking with tom petruno of the los angeles times, and you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. let's get bill on the line, bill with us from st. joseph's in missouri. |
Yo, good afternoon. | yo good | Yo good | yo, good afternoon. |
Hi. | hi. |
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And Merry Christmas to you all. | and merry. christmas to you | And Merry Christmas to you, | and merry christmas to you all. |
Merry Christmas to you. | merry christmas to, | Merry, Christmas to | merry christmas to you. |
My question was, number one, I tend to think that we are in a deflationary spiral, personally. I've been talking to my brokers about it for a very long time, and I don't think there's any way we're going to get out of it right away. But that's just my own opinion in the middle of the country. My question is on the spread. What is - what do they mean when they're trying to get the spread down? What are they talking about specifically? | my question was number one i tend to think that we are in. a deflationary spiral personally i've been talking to my brokers, about it for a. very long time and i don't think there's. any way we're going to get out of it right away but that's just my own opinion in the middle of the country my question is on the spread what is - what do they mean when they're, trying to get the, spread down? what are they talking about | My question was number one I tend to think that we are in a deflationary spiral personally I've been talking. to my. brokers about it, for a very long time and I don't think there's any way we're going to get out of it right away But that's just my, own opinion, in the middle of the country My question is on the spread What is, - what do they mean when they're trying to get the spread down? What are they talking about | my question was, number one, i tend to think that we are in a deflationary spiral, personally. i've been talking to my brokers about it for a very long time, and i don't think there's any way we're going to get out of it right away. but that's just my own opinion in the middle of the country. my question is on the spread. what is - what do they mean when they're trying to get the spread down? what are they talking about specifically? |
What they're talking about is, for example, right now - call this up on my computer here. High-yield corporate bonds, the average yield on high-yield corporate bonds, junk bonds in other words, is 17.35 percent - 17.35 percent, that's a cost of financing that no company can really afford. When they say they're talking about spreads, they're trying to bring down - yields, rates on corporate bonds, municipal bonds et cetera relative to the yields on Treasury securities, which hit a rock bottom here. | what they're talking about is for example right now - call this up on my computer here high-yield corporate bonds the average yield on high-yield corporate bonds junk bonds in other, words is 17.35 percent - 17.35 percent. that's a cost of financing that no company can really afford when they say they're talking about spreads they're trying to bring down - yields rates on corporate bonds municipal bonds et cetera relative to the yields on treasury securities which hit a rock, bottom | What they're talking, about is for example right, now - call this up on my computer here High-yield corporate bonds the average. yield on high-yield corporate bonds junk. bonds in other words is 17.35 percent - 17.35 percent. that's a cost of financing that no company can really afford When they say they're talking; about; spreads they're trying to bring down, - yields rates on, corporate bonds municipal bonds et cetera relative to the yields on Treasury securities which hit a rock bottom | what they're talking about is, for example, right now - call this up on my computer here. high-yield corporate bonds, the average yield on high-yield corporate bonds, junk bonds in other words, is 17.35 percent - 17.35 percent, that's a cost of financing that no company can really afford. when they say they're talking about spreads, they're trying to bring down - yields, rates on corporate bonds, municipal bonds et cetera relative to the yields on treasury securities, which hit a rock bottom here. |
That's what they're trying to do because that's the way you get credit back into the economy, is you make is more affordable or affordable period for companies to borrow again in municipalities. That's what they're working on. That's why, for example, they're saying, yes we may, you know we're buying mortgage-backed securities to try to bring down mortgage spreads. And some people think that before this is over, they will do something to extend financing to the corporate bond market and the municipal bond market because those yields, as I say, are still really out of whack, seemingly out of whack with where Treasury yields are. Now, you could make the argument that the reason the yields are so high, is the market says, the economy is going to be a disaster next year, bond default rates are going to soar, Certainly they're going to go up. Many, many people have told me in the last couple of weeks on Wall Street, they just think it's ridiculous what has happened to the corporate bond market. That's where the true bargains are for investors, is not in stocks at this point, but in corporate bonds because those yields are so rich. Now, again if you believe in Armageddon next year, if you think there's not going to be anything left of the financial system, and if you do think that they we're in a very serious deflation spiral, maybe yields are going to go even higher because the worst thing to have in a deflationary environment is debt. That's the killer. | that's what they're trying to do because that's the way. you get, credit. back into the economy is you make is more affordable or affordable period for companies to borrow again in municipalities that's what they're working on that's why for example they're saying yes we may you know we're buying mortgage-backed securities; to. try to bring, down mortgage spreads and some people think that before this is over they will do something to extend financing to the corporate bond market and the municipal bond market because. those yields as i say are still really out of whack seemingly. out of whack with where treasury yields are now you could make the argument that the reason the yields are so; high is the market says the economy is going to be a disaster next year bond default rates are going to soar certainly they're going to, go up many many people; have told me in the last couple of weeks on wall. street, they just think it's ridiculous. what has happened, to the, corporate, bond market that's where, the true bargains are for investors is not. in stocks at this point but in corporate bonds because those yields are so rich now, again if you believe in armageddon. next year if; you think there's not going to be anything left of the financial system and if you, do think that they we're in a very, serious, deflation spiral maybe yields are. going to go even higher because the worst, thing to have in a, deflationary environment is debt that's the | That's. what, they're trying to do because that's the way you get credit back into the economy is you make is more affordable or. affordable period, for companies to borrow again in municipalities That's what they're. working on That's why for example they're saying yes we may, you know we're buying mortgage-backed securities to try to bring down mortgage spreads And some people think that before this, is over they will do something to extend financing to the corporate bond market and the municipal bond market because those. yields as I say are still really out of whack seemingly out of whack with where Treasury yields are Now you, could make the argument that. the reason. the yields are so high is the market says the economy is going to, be a disaster next year bond default rates are, going to soar Certainly they're, going to go; up Many many. people have told me in the last couple, of weeks, on Wall Street they just, think it's ridiculous what has happened to the corporate bond market That's where the true bargains are for. investors is not in stocks at this point but. in corporate bonds, because those yields are so rich Now again if you believe, in Armageddon next year if you. think there's, not going to be anything left of, the financial system and if you do think that they we're in a very serious deflation spiral maybe yields are; going to go even higher because the worst thing to have in a deflationary, environment is debt That's the, | that's what they're trying to do because that's the way you get credit back into the economy, is you make is more affordable or affordable period for companies to borrow again in municipalities. that's what they're working on. that's why, for example, they're saying, yes we may, you know we're buying mortgage-backed securities to try to bring down mortgage spreads. and some people think that before this is over, they will do something to extend financing to the corporate bond market and the municipal bond market because those yields, as i say, are still really out of whack, seemingly out of whack with where treasury yields are. now, you could make the argument that the reason the yields are so high, is the market says, the economy is going to be a disaster next year, bond default rates are going to soar, certainly they're going to go up. many, many people have told me in the last couple of weeks on wall street, they just think it's ridiculous what has happened to the corporate bond market. that's where the true bargains are for investors, is not in stocks at this point, but in corporate bonds because those yields are so rich. now, again if you believe in armageddon next year, if you think there's not going to be anything left of the financial system, and if you do think that they we're in a very serious deflation spiral, maybe yields are going to go even higher because the worst thing to have in a deflationary environment is debt. that's the killer. |
And please help me with this. If we're still trying to do supply-side the economics, and think we can pour this water in at the top of the funnel when the blockage is at the bottom of the funnel without clearing the bottom which is the consumer, which is jobs - how do we continue to figure out how people are going to stimulate when most corporations are going to retrench and protect themselves only. I don't understand this upside-down logic. Why are they trying to prune the tree from the roots, especially... | and please help me with this if, we're still trying to do supply-side the economics and think we can pour this water in at the top of the funnel when the blockage is at the bottom of the funnel without clearing the bottom which is the consumer which is jobs. - how do we continue to figure out how people are going to stimulate when most corporations are going to retrench and protect, themselves only i don't understand this upside-down logic. why are they trying to prune the tree from the roots | And please help me with this If we're still trying, to do supply-side the economics. and think we can pour this water in at the top of the funnel when the blockage is at, the bottom. of the funnel without, clearing the bottom which, is the consumer which is. jobs - how do, we continue to figure out how people are going to; stimulate when most corporations are going, to retrench and protect. themselves only I don't understand this upside-down logic Why are they trying to prune the tree, from the roots | and please help me with this. if we're still trying to do supply-side the economics, and think we can pour this water in at the top of the funnel when the blockage is at the bottom of the funnel without clearing the bottom which is the consumer, which is jobs - how do we continue to figure out how people are going to stimulate when most corporations are going to retrench and protect themselves only. i don't understand this upside-down logic. why are they trying to prune the tree from the roots, especially... |
The Fed is trying to do what it can with monetary policy and that includes, as we talked about it here, this idea of, you know, cutting interest rates to zero. But going out their potentially buying bonds. The other side of the equation is fiscal stimulus. That's what Obama has to do and has pledged to do, and the federal government is going to have to spend an enormous amount of money to put capital in the economy to create jobs, essentially, to take the place of the private sector which is not there and to try to jump-start the economy. | the fed is trying to do what it can with monetary policy and that includes as we talked, about it. here this idea of you know cutting interest, rates to zero, but going; out their potentially buying bonds the other, side of, the equation is fiscal stimulus that's what obama has to do and has. pledged to do and the, federal government is going to have to spend an enormous amount of money to put capital in the economy to create jobs essentially to take. the place of the private sector which is not there. and to try to jump-start the | The, Fed is trying to, do what it can with monetary policy and that includes as we talked about it here, this idea of you know cutting interest rates to zero But going out their potentially. buying bonds The other side of the equation is fiscal stimulus That's what Obama has to. do and has pledged to do and the federal government is going to have, to spend an enormous amount of money to. put capital in, the; economy to. create jobs essentially to take the place of the private sector which is not there and to try to jump-start the | the fed is trying to do what it can with monetary policy and that includes, as we talked about it here, this idea of, you know, cutting interest rates to zero. but going out their potentially buying bonds. the other side of the equation is fiscal stimulus. that's what obama has to do and has pledged to do, and the federal government is going to have to spend an enormous amount of money to put capital in the economy to create jobs, essentially, to take the place of the private sector which is not there and to try to jump-start the economy. |
Will it work? Who knows. But they don't have any choice at this point. I mean, government spending, I mean all governments, federal, state and local has in recent years been about 20 percent of GDP. The forecast I'm seeing is that it's going to have to go to about 25 percent of GDP over the next year or two years - virtually all of that increase being federal spending to - just to get the economy back to even. Not even to get it growing again but to stop the contraction. But this is what fiscal policy is all about. This is what governments are supposed to do in these situations, because businesses either don't have the wherewithall or you're right, they're trying to protect themselves. So it's a natural situation here. Businesses are hunkering down, consumers are hunkering down. What the government has to do at this point is try to step up, fill in the gap as much as they can and then just hope that what they can do is bring confidence back and, at some point here, certainly not in the first half of next year in my opinion, but in the second half of next year, if not, then certainly by 2010 we hope confidence returns. Businesses that survive this will start saying, you know it's time to make investments again. You're trying to get over the valley here, that's really what this is about and the government helps you get - hopefully get over the valley. That's why all this money is being thrown in the system the way it is. That's why Obama's pledging fiscal stimulus. That's all they can do at this point. And people say, well, it's not going to work, well maybe not. But would you rather have them just sit there and do nothing, that was Hoover, right, in the early '30s. But this is not for the government to do, you know, anything about. We saw where that led. So they're trying what they can because standing idly by would be a worse catastrophe at this point. | will it work? who knows but they don't have any choice at this point i mean government spending i mean all governments federal state and. local has in recent years been about 20 percent of gdp the forecast i'm seeing is that it's going to have to go to about 25 percent of gdp over the next year or two years - virtually all of that increase being federal spending. to - just to get the; economy back to even not even to get it growing again, but, to stop the contraction but this is what fiscal; policy is all about this is what governments are. supposed, to do in these, situations because businesses either don't have the wherewithall or you're right they're, trying to protect themselves so it's a natural situation, here businesses are hunkering down consumers are hunkering down what the government has to do; at this, point, is try to step up fill in the gap as much as they can; and then just hope that what. they, can do is bring confidence back and at. some, point. here certainly not in the first half of next year in my opinion but in the, second half of, next year if not, then certainly by 2010 we. hope confidence returns businesses that survive this, will start. saying you know it's time to make investments again you're trying to get over the valley, here, that's really what this is about and the government. helps you, get - hopefully get over the valley that's why all this money is being thrown in the system. the way it is that's why obama's pledging fiscal stimulus. that's all they can do at, this point and people say well it's not going to, work well maybe not, but would you rather have them just sit there and do nothing that was hoover right in the early '30s but this is not for the government to do, you know anything about we saw where that led so they're trying what they can because standing idly by would be a worse catastrophe at this | Will it work? Who knows. But they don't have any choice at this point I mean government spending I mean all governments federal state and local has in recent years been about 20 percent of. GDP The forecast, I'm seeing is that. it's going to have to go to about 25 percent of GDP over the next year or two years - virtually all of that increase being federal spending to - just to get the economy back to even Not even to get it growing again but to stop the contraction But this is what fiscal policy is all about This is what governments are supposed to do in these situations because businesses either don't have the wherewithall or you're right they're, trying to protect themselves So it's a natural situation here Businesses are hunkering down consumers are hunkering down What the government has to do at this point is try to step up. fill in the gap as much as they can and then just hope that what they; can do is bring confidence back and, at, some point here. certainly not in the first half of next year in my opinion but. in the second half, of next year if not then certainly by 2010 we hope confidence returns Businesses that survive this will start saying you know. it's time to make investments again. You're trying to get over the valley here that's really; what this is about and the government helps you; get - hopefully get over the valley That's why all. this money is being thrown, in the system the. way it is That's why Obama's pledging fiscal stimulus That's all they can do at this point And people say well it's not going to work well. maybe not But would you rather have them just sit there and do nothing that was Hoover right in the early '30s But this is not for the government, to do you know anything about We saw where that led So; they're. trying what they can because. standing idly by would be a worse catastrophe at this | will it work? who knows. but they don't have any choice at this point. i mean, government spending, i mean all governments, federal, state and local has in recent years been about 20 percent of gdp. the forecast i'm seeing is that it's going to have to go to about 25 percent of gdp over the next year or two years - virtually all of that increase being federal spending to - just to get the economy back to even. not even to get it growing again but to stop the contraction. but this is what fiscal policy is all about. this is what governments are supposed to do in these situations, because businesses either don't have the wherewithall or you're right, they're trying to protect themselves. so it's a natural situation here. businesses are hunkering down, consumers are hunkering down. what the government has to do at this point is try to step up, fill in the gap as much as they can and then just hope that what they can do is bring confidence back and, at some point here, certainly not in the first half of next year in my opinion, but in the second half of next year, if not, then certainly by 2010 we hope confidence returns. businesses that survive this will start saying, you know it's time to make investments again. you're trying to get over the valley here, that's really what this is about and the government helps you get - hopefully get over the valley. that's why all this money is being thrown in the system the way it is. that's why obama's pledging fiscal stimulus. that's all they can do at this point. and people say, well, it's not going to work, well maybe not. but would you rather have them just sit there and do nothing, that was hoover, right, in the early '30s. but this is not for the government to do, you know, anything about. we saw where that led. so they're trying what they can because standing idly by would be a worse catastrophe at this point. |
Bill, thanks very much and good luck. | bill thanks very much. and good | Bill thanks very, much and good | bill, thanks very much and good luck. |
Thank you very much. | thank you very | Thank you, very | thank you very much. |
Tom Petruno, financial writer for the Los Angeles Times. Again, his piece today was titled, "How The Feds 'Shock-and-Awe' Move Could Affect You," published, of course, in the Los Angeles Times. Tomorrow, we'll talk about President-elect Barack Obama and the politics of biracial. Join us then. This is Talk of the Nation from NPR News. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. | tom petruno, financial writer for the los angeles times again his piece today. was titled "how the feds 'shock-and-awe' move could affect you" published of course. in the los angeles times tomorrow we'll talk about president-elect barack obama and the politics of biracial join us then this is talk of the nation from npr news i'm neal conan in | Tom Petruno financial. writer for the. Los, Angeles Times Again his piece today was titled "How The, Feds, 'Shock-and-Awe' Move Could Affect You" published of course in the Los Angeles Times Tomorrow we'll, talk about President-elect Barack Obama and the politics of biracial Join us then. This is Talk of the Nation from NPR News I'm Neal Conan in | tom petruno, financial writer for the los angeles times. again, his piece today was titled, "how the feds 'shock-and-awe' move could affect you," published, of course, in the los angeles times. tomorrow, we'll talk about president-elect barack obama and the politics of biracial. join us then. this is talk of the nation from npr news. i'm neal conan in washington. |
As we've just discussed, this lame duck session of Congress has been marked by arguments over tax cuts, unemployment benefits, arms limitation treaties and don't ask, don't tell, that seem to fall along partisan lines. But this week, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat wrote that there's some other significant issues on that which the partisan divide maybe has begun to change a bit. | as we've just discussed this lame duck session of congress has been; marked, by arguments over tax, cuts. unemployment benefits arms limitation treaties and don't ask, don't, tell that seem to fall along partisan lines but this week new york times columnist ross, douthat wrote that there's some other significant, issues on, that which the partisan divide maybe has begun, to change a | As we've just discussed this lame duck session of Congress has been marked by arguments over tax cuts unemployment benefits arms limitation treaties and don't ask don't tell that seem. to fall along partisan lines But this week New York Times columnist Ross Douthat wrote that there's some other significant issues on that which the partisan divide maybe has begun to; change a | as we've just discussed, this lame duck session of congress has been marked by arguments over tax cuts, unemployment benefits, arms limitation treaties and don't ask, don't tell, that seem to fall along partisan lines. but this week, new york times columnist ross douthat wrote that there's some other significant issues on that which the partisan divide maybe has begun to change a bit. |
He joins us in our studios. Thanks so much for being with us. | he joins us in our studios thanks so much for being with, | He joins us, in our studios Thanks so much for being with | he joins us in our studios. thanks so much for being with us. |
Thanks so much for having me. | thanks so much for having | Thanks so. much for having | thanks so much for having me. |
And you begin with the recent scene of people being patted down to go through airport security and increased security alerts. | and you begin. with the recent scene of people being patted down to go through airport security and increased security. | And you. begin with, the recent scene of people being patted down to go through airport security and increased security | and you begin with the recent scene of people being patted down to go through airport security and increased security alerts. |
Right. And suddenly this potential, arguable violation of American civil liberties inspired all kinds of conservative outrage that was largely missing, I would say, in the Bush era whenever any kind of similar violation of civil liberties was contemplated. And you had a raft of liberal pundits rising to the defense of the pat-downs, saying, you know, Americans needed to group up and let their junk be touched and all the rest of it. | right and suddenly this potential arguable violation of american civil liberties inspired all kinds of conservative outrage that was largely, missing i would. say in. the bush era whenever any kind of similar violation of civil liberties was contemplated and. you had a raft of liberal pundits rising to the defense of the pat-downs saying you know americans needed to group up and let, their junk be touched and all the rest of. | Right And suddenly, this potential arguable violation of American civil liberties inspired all kinds of conservative outrage that was largely missing I would say in the Bush era whenever any. kind of similar violation of civil; liberties, was, contemplated And you had a raft of, liberal pundits, rising to the, defense of the pat-downs saying you know Americans needed to group up and let their junk be touched and all the rest of | right. and suddenly this potential, arguable violation of american civil liberties inspired all kinds of conservative outrage that was largely missing, i would say, in the bush era whenever any kind of similar violation of civil liberties was contemplated. and you had a raft of liberal pundits rising to the defense of the pat-downs, saying, you know, americans needed to group up and let their junk be touched and all the rest of it. |
I was interested in this part of your analysis in your column, which is that a lot of people would simply say, well, this is hypocrisy. Democrats who decried the Patriot Act now seem to accept the fact that many features of the Patriot Act aren't been rolled back now that there's a Democratic administration. Republicans, who seem to be comfortable with aspects of the Patriot Act, are now saying that the federal government is getting far too intrusive in American life. | i was interested in this part of your analysis in your column which is that a lot of people would simply say well this is hypocrisy democrats. who decried the. patriot act. now seem to accept the fact that many features of the patriot act aren't been rolled back now that there's a democratic administration republicans who seem. to be comfortable with aspects, of the patriot act are now saying that the federal government is; getting far too intrusive in; american | I was interested. in. this part of your analysis, in your column which is, that a lot of people. would simply say well this is hypocrisy Democrats who decried the Patriot. Act now seem, to accept the fact, that many features of, the Patriot Act aren't been rolled back now that there's a Democratic administration Republicans who seem to be comfortable with aspects of the. Patriot, Act are now saying. that the federal government is getting far too intrusive in American | i was interested in this part of your analysis in your column, which is that a lot of people would simply say, well, this is hypocrisy. democrats who decried the patriot act now seem to accept the fact that many features of the patriot act aren't been rolled back now that there's a democratic administration. republicans, who seem to be comfortable with aspects of the patriot act, are now saying that the federal government is getting far too intrusive in american life. |
Rather than label that as hypocrisy, you seem to think that there might actually be some strength in there, that both parties are getting exposure in government and in opposition that the changes they're thinking. | rather than label that as hypocrisy you seem to. think that; there might actually be some strength in there that, both parties are getting exposure in government and in opposition that the changes they're | Rather than label that, as hypocrisy you seem to think that there might actually be some strength in there. that both parties are getting exposure in government and in opposition that the changes they're | rather than label that as hypocrisy, you seem to think that there might actually be some strength in there, that both parties are getting exposure in government and in opposition that the changes they're thinking. |
Well, I guess what I'd say is, you can sort of pick apart the intellectual inconsistencies of partisans, but it isnt a bad thing that just as Democrats sort of say, well, our guys are in power now so we don't need to worry about civil liberties as much, Republicans start worrying about civil liberties a little more. I mean that is part of sort of the way democratic system functions. | well i guess what i'd. say is you; can. sort, of pick apart the intellectual inconsistencies of partisans but it isnt a bad, thing that just as democrats sort of say well our guys are in power now so we don't need to worry about civil liberties as much republicans start worrying about civil. liberties a little more i mean that is part. of sort of the way democratic system | Well I guess what I'd say is you can, sort of. pick apart the intellectual inconsistencies of partisans but it isnt a bad thing. that just as Democrats sort of say well our guys are in power now so we don't need to worry about civil liberties as much Republicans start worrying about civil liberties a little more I mean that is part of sort of the way democratic system | well, i guess what i'd say is, you can sort of pick apart the intellectual inconsistencies of partisans, but it isnt a bad thing that just as democrats sort of say, well, our guys are in power now so we don't need to worry about civil liberties as much, republicans start worrying about civil liberties a little more. i mean that is part of sort of the way democratic system functions. |
But it's also true that debates move around a lot, depending on which party is in power. And the psychology of partisanship - there's all kinds of really interesting research showing how powerful that psychology is and how it affects the way people filter in information, the way people understand the state of the economy. Theyll think differently about it if a Democrat is president or a Republican is president, and so on. So it's very interesting terrain. | but it's also true that, debates move. around a lot depending on which party is in power and the psychology of partisanship - there's all kinds of really interesting, research showing how powerful that psychology is and how it affects the way people filter in information the way people understand, the state of the, economy theyll think differently about it if a. democrat is president or a republican is, president and, so on so it's very interesting | But it's also true, that debates move around a, lot depending on. which party is in power And the psychology, of partisanship - there's all. kinds of really interesting research showing how powerful that psychology is and how it affects the way people filter in information the way. people understand the state of the economy Theyll think differently about it if a Democrat is president or a Republican is president and so on So it's very interesting. | but it's also true that debates move around a lot, depending on which party is in power. and the psychology of partisanship - there's all kinds of really interesting research showing how powerful that psychology is and how it affects the way people filter in information, the way people understand the state of the economy. theyll think differently about it if a democrat is president or a republican is president, and so on. so it's very interesting terrain. |
I remember thinking in November if there'd be increased security alerts right before election. I remember what we in the press, and for that matter, Democratic partisans used to suggest. | i remember thinking in november. if. there'd be increased security alerts right before election i remember what we in the press and for that matter democratic partisans used to | I remember thinking in November if there'd be increased security alerts right, before election I remember. what we in the press and for that, matter Democratic partisans used to | i remember thinking in november if there'd be increased security alerts right before election. i remember what we in the press, and for that matter, democratic partisans used to suggest. |
Right, that these were attempts to scare the country into voting for the Republicans. But what's interesting is then if you go back to the Clinton era and look at the way debates over civil liberties and national security and foreign military adventures played out, you often had Republicans - especially House Republicans - striking the kind of notes that then Democrats struck in the Bush era. So there are always wrinkles. But it's also true that things swing back and forth, depending on who's in power. | right that these were attempts to scare the country into voting for. the republicans but, what's, interesting is then if you go back to the clinton era and look at the way debates over civil liberties and national security and foreign military adventures played out you often had republicans - especially house republicans - striking the kind of. notes that then democrats struck in the bush era so there are always wrinkles but it's, also, true that things swing back and forth depending. on who's. in | Right that these were. attempts to, scare the country into voting for the Republicans But. what's interesting is then if you go back to the Clinton era and look, at the way debates over, civil liberties and national security and foreign military adventures played, out you often had Republicans - especially; House Republicans - striking the kind of notes that then Democrats struck in the Bush era So there are always wrinkles But it's also true that things swing back and forth depending on who's in | right, that these were attempts to scare the country into voting for the republicans. but what's interesting is then if you go back to the clinton era and look at the way debates over civil liberties and national security and foreign military adventures played out, you often had republicans - especially house republicans - striking the kind of notes that then democrats struck in the bush era. so there are always wrinkles. but it's also true that things swing back and forth, depending on who's in power. |
All the polls suggest that the American public doesn't like partisanship and doesn't like the sniping and doesn't like the bitterness. And as a generalization, all the election results suggest that they like it just fine. Where's the disconnect there? | all the polls suggest, that the american public doesn't like partisanship and doesn't like the. sniping. and doesn't like the bitterness and as a. generalization all the election results suggest that they like it just fine where's the disconnect | All the polls suggest that the American. public doesn't like partisanship and doesn't like the sniping and doesn't like the bitterness And as a generalization all the election results suggest; that they like it just fine Where's the disconnect | all the polls suggest that the american public doesn't like partisanship and doesn't like the sniping and doesn't like the bitterness. and as a generalization, all the election results suggest that they like it just fine. where's the disconnect there? |
The public, as a whole, doesnt have sort of deep ideological consistency on a lot of issues. And so if you don't think about politics that much, you don't follow it that closely, a pollster says should people compromise in Washington, you'll say of course they should compromise in Washington, without sort of digging into the nitty-gritty. | the public as a whole doesnt have sort of deep ideological consistency on a lot of issues and so if you don't think about politics that much you don't follow it that closely a pollster says should people compromise in washington you'll say of course they should compromise in, washington without sort of digging into the | The public as a whole doesnt have sort of deep ideological, consistency on a lot of issues And so if you don't think about politics that much you don't; follow it that closely a pollster, says should people compromise in Washington you'll say of course they should compromise in Washington. without sort of digging into the | the public, as a whole, doesnt have sort of deep ideological consistency on a lot of issues. and so if you don't think about politics that much, you don't follow it that closely, a pollster says should people compromise in washington, you'll say of course they should compromise in washington, without sort of digging into the nitty-gritty. |
But then if the pollster comes back to you and says, well, but should they compromise on whether they're going to raise your taxes or cut your benefits, well, then, people suddenly start to see the utility of partisanship. | but then if the pollster comes, back to, you and says well but should they compromise on whether they're going to raise your taxes or cut your benefits, well then people suddenly start to see the utility of | But then if the pollster comes back to you and says well but should, they compromise on whether they're going to raise your taxes or cut your benefits well then people suddenly start, to see the utility of | but then if the pollster comes back to you and says, well, but should they compromise on whether they're going to raise your taxes or cut your benefits, well, then, people suddenly start to see the utility of partisanship. |
Maybe we need to ask this question every now and then: What exactly is wrong or destructive about partisanship? | maybe we. need to ask this question every now and then: what exactly is wrong or destructive about | Maybe we need to ask this, question every now and then: What exactly is wrong or destructive about. | maybe we need to ask this question every now and then: what exactly is wrong or destructive about partisanship? |
Well, what's destructive about partisanship is that it just leads to pure intellectual dishonesty. There are moments when ultimately the two parties have to compromise. And the trouble with partisanship is if you're a Republican who's spent the last two years either telling Americans, or more importantly, convincing yourselves that Barack Obama is an imminent threat to the republic, how do you then turn around and compromise with that guy, right? | well, what's destructive about partisanship is that it just leads. to pure intellectual dishonesty there. are moments when ultimately the two parties have to compromise and the, trouble with partisanship. is if. you're a republican who's spent, the last two years either telling americans or more importantly convincing yourselves that barack obama is an imminent, threat to the republic how do you then turn around and compromise, with that guy | Well what's. destructive about partisanship is that it just leads to pure intellectual dishonesty. There are moments when ultimately the two parties have; to compromise And the trouble with partisanship is if you're a Republican who's spent the last two years either telling, Americans. or more importantly convincing yourselves that, Barack Obama is an imminent threat to the republic how do you then turn around and compromise with that guy | well, what's destructive about partisanship is that it just leads to pure intellectual dishonesty. there are moments when ultimately the two parties have to compromise. and the trouble with partisanship is if you're a republican who's spent the last two years either telling americans, or more importantly, convincing yourselves that barack obama is an imminent threat to the republic, how do you then turn around and compromise with that guy, right? |
And I think it was the same problem for Democrats in the Bush era. The more unpopular Bush became, it became harder and harder for Democrats to work with him, whether the issue is - you know, on Social Security they just decided to turn their backs; on immigration reform they sort of tried and failed to make a deal. | and i think it was the same problem for democrats in the bush era the more unpopular bush became it became harder and harder for, democrats to work. with him whether the issue is - you know. on social security they just decided to turn. their backs on immigration reform they sort of tried and failed, to make a | And I think it was the. same, problem for, Democrats in the Bush era The more unpopular. Bush became it became harder, and harder for Democrats to work with him. whether the, issue. is, - you know on Social Security they, just decided to turn, their backs on immigration reform they sort. of tried and failed to make a | and i think it was the same problem for democrats in the bush era. the more unpopular bush became, it became harder and harder for democrats to work with him, whether the issue is - you know, on social security they just decided to turn their backs; on immigration reform they sort of tried and failed to make a deal. |
But so I think in an ideal world, everybody would believe the truth about things, right? They wouldnt be deluding themselves. And partisanship can make people delude themselves pretty easily. | but so i think in an ideal world, everybody would believe the truth about things right? they wouldnt be deluding themselves and partisanship can make people delude themselves. pretty | But so I think in; an ideal, world everybody would believe the truth about things right? They wouldnt be deluding themselves And partisanship can make people delude; themselves pretty | but so i think in an ideal world, everybody would believe the truth about things, right? they wouldnt be deluding themselves. and partisanship can make people delude themselves pretty easily. |
New York Times columnist Russ Douthat, thanks so much. | new york times columnist russ douthat thanks so | New York Times columnist Russ Douthat thanks, so | new york times columnist russ douthat, thanks so much. |
Thanks so much for having me. | thanks so much for having | Thanks so much, for, having | thanks so much for having me. |
Science Friday. I'm Ira Flatow and for the rest of the hour we're going to be talking tuna. But not Charlie the tuna, not the kind you'll find in the can or in your tuna sandwich. We're going to be talking about the giant bluefin tuna. | science. friday i'm ira flatow and for the rest of the hour. we're going to be talking tuna but not charlie the tuna not the kind you'll find in the can or in your tuna sandwich we're going to be talking, about the giant bluefin | Science Friday I'm Ira Flatow and for the rest of the hour we're going to be talking tuna But not Charlie the tuna not the. kind you'll find in the; can or in, your, tuna sandwich. We're going to be talking about the giant bluefin | science friday. i'm ira flatow and for the rest of the hour we're going to be talking tuna. but not charlie the tuna, not the kind you'll find in the can or in your tuna sandwich. we're going to be talking about the giant bluefin tuna. |
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