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Beautiful. | beautiful. |
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And I just think it is marvelous looking, so from one perspective anyway, I love the bluefin tuna, but everybody else does too... | and i just think it is marvelous looking so from one perspective; anyway i love the bluefin. tuna, but everybody else does | And, I just think, it is marvelous looking so from one perspective anyway I love the bluefin tuna but everybody else does, | and i just think it is marvelous looking, so from one perspective anyway, i love the bluefin tuna, but everybody else does too... |
Mm-hm. | mm-hm. |
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Especially the Japanese who eat the fat-belly meat of the bluefin tuna to such a degree, that the fish itself is bordering on extinction. | especially the japanese who eat the fat-belly meat of the bluefin tuna to such a degree that the fish itself is bordering on | Especially the Japanese who eat the fat-belly meat of the bluefin. tuna to such a degree that, the, fish itself is bordering on | especially the japanese who eat the fat-belly meat of the bluefin tuna to such a degree, that the fish itself is bordering on extinction. |
Is that what we call Turo? That... | is that what we call | Is that what we call | is that what we call turo? that... |
It's called Turo or Magaro(ph) | it's, called turo or | It's called, Turo or | it's called turo or magaro(ph) |
Mm-hm. | mm-hm. |
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It is only a certain part of the fatty, belly meat of a bluefin tune. And as you said before, bluefin tuna can weigh a half ton or more. So when you recognize that what they're eating is a very small proportion of the entire fish, it's conceivable that most of this fish is being wasted. | it is only a certain part. of the fatty belly meat of a bluefin; tune and as you said before bluefin tuna can weigh a half ton or more so when you recognize that what they're eating is a very, small proportion of the entire fish it's. conceivable that most of this fish is being | It is only a certain part of the fatty belly meat of a bluefin tune And as you said. before bluefin tuna can weigh a half ton or more So. when you, recognize that what they're eating is a very small proportion of the entire fish it's conceivable that most, of this fish is being | it is only a certain part of the fatty, belly meat of a bluefin tune. and as you said before, bluefin tuna can weigh a half ton or more. so when you recognize that what they're eating is a very small proportion of the entire fish, it's conceivable that most of this fish is being wasted. |
Huh. They throw out the rest of the fish? | huh they throw out the rest of the | Huh They throw out the rest, of the | huh. they throw out the rest of the fish? |
They don't throw it out, but isn't the high level tuna that commands these bizarre prices. | they don't throw it out but, isn't the high level tuna that commands these bizarre | They don't throw it out but isn't the high. level tuna that commands these. bizarre | they don't throw it out, but isn't the high level tuna that commands these bizarre prices. |
Wow, wow. Tell us a little bit about this fish. You say the fish can heat up its body to 80 degrees in 40-degree water. | wow wow tell us a little bit about this fish you say the fish can heat up its body to 80 degrees in 40-degree | Wow wow Tell us. a, little bit about this fish You say the fish. can heat up. its body to 80 degrees in 40-degree | wow, wow. tell us a little bit about this fish. you say the fish can heat up its body to 80 degrees in 40-degree water. |
Well, most fish as everybody knows, are cold-blooded vertebrates. | well. most fish as everybody knows are cold-blooded | Well most fish as everybody knows are cold-blooded | well, most fish as everybody knows, are cold-blooded vertebrates. |
Right.. | right.. |
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That means that their body temperature is the same as the environment in which they live. A codfish, say living in - off the Grand Banks in 40 degree water, has a body temperature of 40 degrees. | that means that their body temperature is the, same as. the environment in which they live a codfish say, living in. - off the grand. banks, in 40 degree water has a body temperature of | That means that, their body temperature is the same as the environment in which. they live A codfish say living in - off the Grand Banks in 40 degree water has a. body temperature of, | that means that their body temperature is the same as the environment in which they live. a codfish, say living in - off the grand banks in 40 degree water, has a body temperature of 40 degrees. |
A butterfly fish living in the Caribbean next to a coral reef with a water temperature of 75 degrees, will have a body temperature of 75 degrees. A bluefin tuna, on the other hand, living in say 40-degree water, can raise its body temperature to 80 degrees. | a butterfly fish living in the caribbean next to a coral reef with a water temperature of 75 degrees will have a body temperature of 75 degrees a bluefin tuna on the other hand, living, in say 40-degree water can raise its body temperature to | A butterfly fish living in the Caribbean next to a coral reef with a water temperature of 75 degrees will have a body temperature of, 75 degrees A bluefin tuna on. the other hand living in say 40-degree water can raise, its body temperature. to | a butterfly fish living in the caribbean next to a coral reef with a water temperature of 75 degrees, will have a body temperature of 75 degrees. a bluefin tuna, on the other hand, living in say 40-degree water, can raise its body temperature to 80 degrees. |
Wow. | wow. |
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It has a complex series of counter current exchangers in its circulatory system that warm up its muscles. Just think of an athlete warming up, but a tuna, a bluefin tuna is always warmed-up. | it has a complex series of counter current exchangers in its circulatory, system that, warm up its muscles just think of an athlete warming up but a tuna a bluefin tuna is always | It has a complex series of counter current exchangers in its, circulatory system that warm up its muscles Just think of an athlete warming up but a. tuna a bluefin tuna is always | it has a complex series of counter current exchangers in its circulatory system that warm up its muscles. just think of an athlete warming up, but a tuna, a bluefin tuna is always warmed-up. |
Mm-hm. | mm-hm. |
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And so it is more competent than the fish it's chasing, it can swim faster than most things in the ocean. Tuna have been clocked at 55 miles an hour... | and so it is more competent than the fish it's chasing it can swim faster than. most things in the ocean tuna have been clocked at 55 miles an | And so it is more competent than, the fish it's chasing it. can swim faster than most things in the ocean Tuna have been clocked at 55 miles an | and so it is more competent than the fish it's chasing, it can swim faster than most things in the ocean. tuna have been clocked at 55 miles an hour... |
Gee whiz. | gee | Gee | gee whiz. |
They can catch anything that swims. | they can catch anything that | They can catch anything that. | they can catch anything that swims. |
Right. | right. |
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Except, perhaps, a sailfish, which can swim 68 miles an hour. But that's all spines and pointy bits, and you wouldn't want to eat those anyway. | except perhaps a sailfish which can swim 68 miles an hour but that's all spines and pointy, bits and you wouldn't want to eat those | Except perhaps a sailfish which can swim 68 miles an hour But that's, all spines and pointy bits. and you wouldn't. want to eat; those | except, perhaps, a sailfish, which can swim 68 miles an hour. but that's all spines and pointy bits, and you wouldn't want to eat those anyway. |
Right. So here's this creature that has all these marvelous modifications. Fins can be made flush with this body. | right so here's this creature that has all these marvelous modifications fins can be made flush with this | Right So. here's this creature that. has. all these marvelous modifications Fins can be made flush with this | right. so here's this creature that has all these marvelous modifications. fins can be made flush with this body. |
Wow. | wow. |
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They tuck in to slits, its eyes are flushed with its body. | they tuck, in to, slits its eyes, are flushed with its | They tuck in to, slits its eyes are flushed with its | they tuck in to slits, its eyes are flushed with its body. |
It's the perfect - not aerodynamically... | it's the perfect - not | It's the perfect - not | it's the perfect - not aerodynamically... |
Hydrodynamical. | hydrodynamical. |
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Hydry - hydrodynamic fish. | hydry - hydrodynamic | Hydry - hydrodynamic | hydry - hydrodynamic fish. |
At MIT, they decided to try and figure out whether or not they could power boats by some means other than the circulating propeller. And since the tuna - this hydrodynamic marvel - wags its tail to move, they built a robo-tuna, they built a fish that wag its tail. And they thought, well, maybe we can apply this to ships, maybe this is the best way to go. | at mit they decided to try and figure out. whether or, not they could power boats by some means other than the circulating propeller and, since the. tuna - this hydrodynamic marvel - wags its tail to move they built a robo-tuna they built a fish that wag its tail and, they thought well maybe we can apply this to ships maybe this is. the best way to | At. MIT, they decided to. try and figure, out whether or not they could power boats by some means other. than, the circulating propeller, And since the, tuna - this, hydrodynamic marvel - wags its. tail to move they built a robo-tuna they, built a fish. that wag its tail And they thought well maybe we can apply this to ships maybe this is the best, way to | at mit, they decided to try and figure out whether or not they could power boats by some means other than the circulating propeller. and since the tuna - this hydrodynamic marvel - wags its tail to move, they built a robo-tuna, they built a fish that wag its tail. and they thought, well, maybe we can apply this to ships, maybe this is the best way to go. |
Right. | right. |
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It turns out that they fail to replicate the speed or the hydrodynamic capabilities of the tuna, and they gave up. The tuna is better at what it does than MIT could possibly create. | it turns out that they fail to replicate the speed or the hydrodynamic capabilities of the tuna and they gave up the tuna is better at what it does than mit could possibly | It, turns out that they fail to. replicate the speed or the hydrodynamic capabilities of the tuna and; they gave up The tuna is better at what it does than MIT could possibly | it turns out that they fail to replicate the speed or the hydrodynamic capabilities of the tuna, and they gave up. the tuna is better at what it does than mit could possibly create. |
Wow. 1-800-989-8255. Talking tuna with Richard Ellis, author of "Tuna: A Love Story." Let's talk about the life cycle of a tuna. | wow 1-800-989-8255. talking tuna with richard ellis author of "tuna: a love story" let's talk about the life cycle of a | Wow 1-800-989-8255. Talking tuna with Richard Ellis author of, "Tuna: A Love Story" Let's talk about the life cycle of a | wow. 1-800-989-8255. talking tuna with richard ellis, author of "tuna: a love story." let's talk about the life cycle of a tuna. |
They don't get squosen(ph) down there by all that water pressure? | they don't get squosen(ph) down there by all that water | They don't get squosen(ph) down there by all that water | they don't get squosen(ph) down there by all that water pressure? |
Hmm. Must have been. Let's talk with Karen(ph). Karen calling from Washington, D.C. | hmm must have been let's, talk with karen(ph). karen calling from washington. | Hmm Must have been Let's. talk with Karen(ph). Karen calling from Washington | hmm. must have been. let's talk with karen(ph). karen calling from washington, d.c. |
Tuna - first of all, female tuna lay anywhere from a million to three million eggs. They need to be a certain age and a certain size before they spawn, and that too comes later in the story. A tuna when it's born is about the size of a grain of rice. It increases in size assuming it gets to its full size... | tuna - first of all female tuna. lay anywhere from a million to three million eggs they need to be a certain age and, a. certain size before they spawn and that too comes later in the story a tuna. when it's born is about the size of a, grain of rice. it increases in size assuming it, gets to its full | Tuna - first of; all female tuna lay anywhere from a. million to three million eggs They need to be a certain age and a certain size before, they spawn and that too comes later in the story A tuna when it's born is about the size of a grain of rice It increases in size assuming it gets. to its full | tuna - first of all, female tuna lay anywhere from a million to three million eggs. they need to be a certain age and a certain size before they spawn, and that too comes later in the story. a tuna when it's born is about the size of a grain of rice. it increases in size assuming it gets to its full size... |
Mm-hm. | mm-hm. |
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It increases in size a billion times. ,It goes through obvious growth stages... | it increases in size a billion times ,it goes through obvious. growth, | It increases in size a billion times ,It goes through obvious growth, | it increases in size a billion times. ,it goes through obvious growth stages... |
Mm-hm.. | mm-hm.. |
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There are smaller ones, until they get to be large ones, they feed on various things in the ocean. And for the most part, when a tuna is the size of a grain of rice or the size of say, your little finger, most things feed on them. | there are smaller ones until they get to be large ones, they feed on various things in the; ocean and for the most part when, a tuna is the size of a grain of, rice or the size of say, your little finger most things feed on | There are smaller ones until they get to be large ones they feed on various things in the ocean And for the most part when a. tuna is. the size of. a grain of rice or the size of say your little finger. most things feed on | there are smaller ones, until they get to be large ones, they feed on various things in the ocean. and for the most part, when a tuna is the size of a grain of rice or the size of say, your little finger, most things feed on them. |
Yeah. | yeah. |
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So laying a million eggs doesn't mean you're going to get a million tuna. | so laying a million eggs doesn't mean you're going to get a million | So laying a million eggs doesn't mean you're going to get a million | so laying a million eggs doesn't mean you're going to get a million tuna. |
Right. Right. | right | Right | right. right. |
It means that some very small percentage will survive. | it means that some very small percentage will | It means that some very small percentage will | it means that some very small percentage will survive. |
Yeah. I've seen wild kingdom, I know how that works. | yeah i've seen wild kingdom i know how that | Yeah I've seen wild. kingdom I know how that | yeah. i've seen wild kingdom, i know how that works. |
The little ones become part of the plankton. | the little ones; become part of the | The little; ones. become part of, the | the little ones become part of the plankton. |
Yeah. Right. | yeah | Yeah | yeah. right. |
And everything eats little tiny things in the ocean. | and. everything eats little tiny things in the | And everything eats little tiny, things in the | and everything eats little tiny things in the ocean. |
Mm-hm. | mm-hm. |
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They eventually get to be a full size, which can - in the bluefin tuna - can be anywhere from a thousand to 1,500 pounds. | they eventually get to be a full size which can - in. the bluefin tuna - can be anywhere from a thousand. to | They eventually get to be a full size which can - in the bluefin tuna - can, be anywhere from a thousand to | they eventually get to be a full size, which can - in the bluefin tuna - can be anywhere from a thousand to 1,500 pounds. |
And when we catch them out at sea, how were they caught? They were in this size range. | and when we catch them out at sea how were they caught? they were in this size | And when. we catch them out at sea how were they caught? They were in this size. | and when we catch them out at sea, how were they caught? they were in this size range. |
Well, they're caught in many, many different ways. Off New England, they are harpooned like... | well they're caught in many many different ways off new england they are harpooned; | Well they're; caught in many, many different ways, Off, New England they are harpooned | well, they're caught in many, many different ways. off new england, they are harpooned like... |
Really? | really? |
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That big you use a harpoon on it. | that, big, you use a harpoon on. | That big you use a harpoon on | that big you use a harpoon on it. |
Well, because it's illegal to catch them any other way off New England. | well because it's illegal to catch them any other way off new, | Well because it's illegal to catch them any other way off New | well, because it's illegal to catch them any other way off new england. |
I see, I see.. | i see i | I see I, | i see, i see.. |
In other parts of the world like the Mediterranean and Australia, they catch them in huge purse things. And they draw these purseins closed, and they catch thousands and thousands of fish at a time. But off New England, they - it looks kind of like a miniature whaling vessel. | in other parts of the world like the, mediterranean and, australia they catch them in huge purse things and they draw these purseins closed and they; catch thousands and thousands of fish at a time but off, new england they - it looks kind of like, a miniature whaling | In other parts, of the world, like the Mediterranean and Australia they catch them in huge purse things And they draw these purseins closed. and they catch, thousands and thousands of fish at a time, But off New England they - it looks kind of like a miniature whaling | in other parts of the world like the mediterranean and australia, they catch them in huge purse things. and they draw these purseins closed, and they catch thousands and thousands of fish at a time. but off new england, they - it looks kind of like a miniature whaling vessel. |
Right. Right. | right | Right | right. right. |
It has a big pulpit in the front. And a man is standing there with a harpoon. They spot a tuna and they drive after it, and the guy throws the harpoon. | it has a big pulpit in the front and. a man is standing there, with a harpoon they spot a tuna and they drive after. it and. the guy throws. the | It has a big pulpit in the front And a man is standing there with a harpoon They spot a tuna and they drive after it and the. guy throws the | it has a big pulpit in the front. and a man is standing there with a harpoon. they spot a tuna and they drive after it, and the guy throws the harpoon. |
Huh. | huh. |
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And they pull in one fish at a time. | and they pull in one fish at a | And, they pull in one fish at, a | and they pull in one fish at a time. |
And in the Mediterranean, how do they get them back here, when you purse... | and in the mediterranean how do they get; them back here when you | And in the Mediterranean how do they get them back here when you | and in the mediterranean, how do they get them back here, when you purse... |
Well, first we have to catch them in the Mediterranean... | well first we have to catch them in the | Well first, we have to catch them in the | well, first we have to catch them in the mediterranean... |
Yeah. | yeah. |
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And this is probably the major problem with tuna. First of all, the Mediterranean is the breeding ground for the Atlantic bluefin tuna. Second of all, for several thousand years people have been fishing for bluefin in the Mediterranean. Early on they fished for them in what was called the Metanza, where they had a series of ever-decreasing nets, where the fish would be guided into the final net, where they'd then be hauled up and stabbed. Of stabbed or hacked to death. | and this is probably the major problem with tuna first of all the mediterranean is the breeding ground for the atlantic bluefin tuna second of, all for several thousand years people have been fishing for bluefin in the mediterranean early on they. fished for them in what was called the metanza where, they had; a series of ever-decreasing nets where the fish would be guided into the final, net where they'd then be hauled up and stabbed of stabbed or hacked to | And this is probably the major problem. with tuna First of all the. Mediterranean is the breeding ground for the Atlantic bluefin; tuna Second of all for several thousand years people have been fishing for bluefin in the Mediterranean Early on they fished for, them in, what, was called the Metanza where they had a series of ever-decreasing, nets where the fish would be guided into. the final net where they'd then be hauled up and stabbed Of stabbed or hacked to | and this is probably the major problem with tuna. first of all, the mediterranean is the breeding ground for the atlantic bluefin tuna. second of all, for several thousand years people have been fishing for bluefin in the mediterranean. early on they fished for them in what was called the metanza, where they had a series of ever-decreasing nets, where the fish would be guided into the final net, where they'd then be hauled up and stabbed. of stabbed or hacked to death. |
This is virtually extinct now, this method of fishing been replaced by big purseins, where they spot them from the air, they spot huge schools from the air. They surround them in the pursein, they purse the net closed, they tow this whole net full of fish, there can be thousands of fish. They tow this whole net full of fish to a floating pin, they put the tuna in this pen, they feed them for six to eight... | this is virtually extinct. now this method of fishing been. replaced by big purseins where, they spot them from the, air they, spot huge schools from the air they surround them in the, pursein they purse the net closed they tow this whole net full of fish there can be thousands. of fish, they tow this whole net full of fish to a floating pin they. put the tuna in this pen they feed them for six to, | This is virtually extinct now this method of fishing been replaced, by big purseins where they spot them, from the air they spot huge schools from the air They surround them in the pursein they purse the net closed they tow. this whole, net full of fish there can be thousands of fish They tow this whole net full of fish to a floating pin they put the, tuna in this pen they feed them for six to | this is virtually extinct now, this method of fishing been replaced by big purseins, where they spot them from the air, they spot huge schools from the air. they surround them in the pursein, they purse the net closed, they tow this whole net full of fish, there can be thousands of fish. they tow this whole net full of fish to a floating pin, they put the tuna in this pen, they feed them for six to eight... |
How long a distance are they to them? | how long a, distance are they to | How long a distance are, they to | how long a distance are they to them? |
Well, in the Mediterranean, they could tow them five or 10 miles. | well in the mediterranean they could tow them five or | Well in, the Mediterranean they could tow them five or | well, in the mediterranean, they could tow them five or 10 miles. |
Uh-huh. | uh-huh. |
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Because they know where to fish for them. | because they know where to; fish for | Because. they. know where to fish for, | because they know where to fish for them. |
Right. Right. Right. | right right | Right Right | right. right. right. |
I mean, because they see them from the air, or they're spotted from the air. Then they put them in these pens and they fatten them up, they feed them fish. | i mean, because they see them from the air or they're spotted from the air then they put them in these pens and they fatten them up they feed them | I mean because they see them, from. the air or they're spotted from the air. Then they put them in these pens and they fatten them up they, feed; them | i mean, because they see them from the air, or they're spotted from the air. then they put them in these pens and they fatten them up, they feed them fish. |
Tuna don't eat fish food that you could buy in your pet store and sprinkle in the pen. So you have to have fish for the tuna, so in another words we're catching fish to feed the fish. And of course... | tuna don't eat fish food that you could buy in your pet store and sprinkle in the pen so you have to have fish for. the; tuna so. in another words; we're catching fish to feed. the fish and of | Tuna don't eat fish food. that you could. buy in your. pet store and sprinkle in. the pen. So you have to have fish for the tuna so in another words we're catching fish to feed. the fish And of | tuna don't eat fish food that you could buy in your pet store and sprinkle in the pen. so you have to have fish for the tuna, so in another words we're catching fish to feed the fish. and of course... |
It's like a tuna ranch. They're ranching tuna. | it's like a tuna ranch they're ranching | It's like a tuna ranch They're ranching | it's like a tuna ranch. they're ranching tuna. |
It is. It's a feed lot of - mentality, in fact. And they fatten them up, and then they kill them, and then they ship them all to Japan. Every single country in or on the Mediterranean, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Croatia, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya - they're all doing this. And because they're all doing it and because the controls of this fishery are lax, there is something called ICCAT, the International Convention for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas, and it puts out quotas and the Libyan fishermen and the Spanish fishermen and the French say thank you very much and they go right on fishing for tuna because the market in Japan is so intense. | it is it's a feed lot of - mentality in fact and, they fatten them up and then they kill them and then they ship them all to japan every single country in or on the mediterranean spain france. italy greece croatia morocco tunisia algeria libya - they're all; doing this and because they're all doing it and because the controls of this fishery are lax there is something called iccat the international convention for. the conservation of atlantic tunas and it puts out quotas and the libyan fishermen and the spanish fishermen and the french say thank you very much and they go right on fishing for tuna because the market in japan. is so | It is It's a feed lot, of - mentality in fact And they fatten them up and then they kill them and then they ship them all to Japan Every single. country in or on the Mediterranean Spain France; Italy Greece Croatia Morocco Tunisia Algeria Libya - they're all doing this And; because they're, all doing it and because the controls of. this fishery are lax there is something called ICCAT the International Convention for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas and it puts out quotas and the Libyan fishermen and the Spanish fishermen and the French say thank you very much, and they go. right on fishing for tuna because the market. in Japan is so; | it is. it's a feed lot of - mentality, in fact. and they fatten them up, and then they kill them, and then they ship them all to japan. every single country in or on the mediterranean, spain, france, italy, greece, croatia, morocco, tunisia, algeria, libya - they're all doing this. and because they're all doing it and because the controls of this fishery are lax, there is something called iccat, the international convention for the conservation of atlantic tunas, and it puts out quotas and the libyan fishermen and the spanish fishermen and the french say thank you very much and they go right on fishing for tuna because the market in japan is so intense. |
1-800-989-8255. Allan(ph) in Murrells Inlet, South Carolina. Hi, welcome to Science Friday. | 1-800-989-8255. allan(ph) in, murrells, inlet south carolina hi, welcome to science, | 1-800-989-8255. Allan(ph) in Murrells Inlet South Carolina Hi welcome to Science | 1-800-989-8255. allan(ph) in murrells inlet, south carolina. hi, welcome to science friday. |
Thank you. I had a question for the author about that very issue about other countries cheating on the international limits for blue fin tuna and what can be done to curb Japan's apparently insatiable appetite for this? | thank you i had a question for the author about that very issue about other, countries cheating on the international limits for blue fin tuna and what can be done to curb, japan's apparently insatiable appetite for | Thank you I had a question for the author about that very issue about other, countries cheating on the international limits for blue fin tuna and what can. be done to curb Japan's apparently. insatiable appetite for | thank you. i had a question for the author about that very issue about other countries cheating on the international limits for blue fin tuna and what can be done to curb japan's apparently insatiable appetite for this? |
And you learn - I can't believe 6,000 feet, a diving - I mean that, how does it - you know - they ask - it begs all those same questions we wonder about seals and other animals that can dive so deeply and not be affected by the bends and things like that. | and you learn - i can't believe 6,000 feet a diving - i mean that how does it - you know - they ask - it begs all those same questions we wonder about seals and, other. animals that can dive so deeply and not be affected by the bends. and things, like; | And. you learn - I can't believe 6,000 feet a diving - I mean that how does it - you know - they ask - it begs all those same questions we wonder about seals, and other animals that can dive so deeply and not be affected by the bends and things like | and you learn - i can't believe 6,000 feet, a diving - i mean that, how does it - you know - they ask - it begs all those same questions we wonder about seals and other animals that can dive so deeply and not be affected by the bends and things like that. |
Well, those are two different questions. The cheating problem is almost impossible to stop. The World Wildlife Fund has recently called for a cessation of all tuna fishing in the Mediterranean. Even with that, even having called for that doesn't make it happen. And so there's still fishing because, now, this gets us to the second part of your question, because the Japanese market still exists. And the Japanese have what actually amounts to nothing but a fad. I mean, they don't need this. It's not particularly nourishing. They think it's particularly delicious, and so they want as many blue fin tuna as they can get. | well those are two different questions the cheating, problem, is almost impossible to stop the world wildlife fund has recently called for a, cessation of all. tuna fishing in the mediterranean even with that even having called for that doesn't make it happen and so there's still fishing. because now this gets us to the second part of your question because, the japanese market still exists and the japanese have what actually amounts to; nothing but a fad, i mean. they don't need this it's not particularly. nourishing, they think it's particularly delicious and so they want as many blue, fin tuna as they can | Well those are two different questions The cheating problem is almost impossible to stop The World, Wildlife, Fund has recently called for a cessation of all tuna fishing in the Mediterranean Even with that even, having. called, for that doesn't make it happen And so there's still fishing, because now this gets us to the. second part of your question because, the Japanese market still exists And the Japanese have what actually amounts to nothing but a fad I mean they. don't need this It's not particularly nourishing They think it's particularly delicious and so they want as many blue fin tuna as they can | well, those are two different questions. the cheating problem is almost impossible to stop. the world wildlife fund has recently called for a cessation of all tuna fishing in the mediterranean. even with that, even having called for that doesn't make it happen. and so there's still fishing because, now, this gets us to the second part of your question, because the japanese market still exists. and the japanese have what actually amounts to nothing but a fad. i mean, they don't need this. it's not particularly nourishing. they think it's particularly delicious, and so they want as many blue fin tuna as they can get. |
In Tokyo, at the Tsukiji Fish Market, every single day, they bring in thousands and thousands of tuna and I've been there and I've photographed the fish market and as you look at this, it's not only tuna in this fish market, it's everything that ever swam in the ocean and as you look at it, you think to yourself, they must have vacuumed up the whole ocean. There can't be anything left and yet the next day, you go back and just like it was that day before, with thousands of tuna lined up in rows and these are the famous tuna auctions where one tuna was once auctioned off for 173,000 dollars. | in tokyo at the tsukiji fish market every single day they bring in thousands and thousands of tuna and i've been there and i've photographed the fish market and as you look; at this it's not only tuna in this fish market it's everything that ever swam in the ocean and as. you. look at it you think. to yourself they must have vacuumed up the whole ocean there can't be anything, left and yet the next day you go back and just like it was that day before, with thousands of tuna lined up in rows and. these are the famous tuna, auctions where one tuna was once auctioned off for | In Tokyo at the Tsukiji. Fish Market every single day, they bring in thousands and thousands of tuna and I've been there and. I've photographed the fish market and as you look at, this. it's not only, tuna in this fish market it's everything that ever swam in the ocean and as you. look at it you think to yourself they must, have vacuumed up the whole ocean There can't be anything left and yet the next day, you go back and just like it was that day before with thousands of tuna lined up in rows and these are the famous tuna auctions where, one tuna was once auctioned off for | in tokyo, at the tsukiji fish market, every single day, they bring in thousands and thousands of tuna and i've been there and i've photographed the fish market and as you look at this, it's not only tuna in this fish market, it's everything that ever swam in the ocean and as you look at it, you think to yourself, they must have vacuumed up the whole ocean. there can't be anything left and yet the next day, you go back and just like it was that day before, with thousands of tuna lined up in rows and these are the famous tuna auctions where one tuna was once auctioned off for 173,000 dollars. |
Just for the little part of that tuna. | just. for the little part of that | Just for the little part of that | just for the little part of that tuna. |
No, the whole fish. It was a 440-pound fish. And it was bought. | no the whole fish. it was a 440-pound, fish and it was. | No the whole fish It was a 440-pound fish, And it was | no, the whole fish. it was a 440-pound fish. and it was bought. |
But they were looking for that fatty part of the fish. | but they were looking, for that fatty part of the | But they were looking for that fatty, part of the | but they were looking for that fatty part of the fish. |
Well, what they do at these auctions is they walk around and there's a piece of skin peeled back and they feel the meat with their fingers to see what the fat content is, they smell it and since they're going to eat it raw, they taste it. And this fish, the 173,000-dollar fish, was so perfect from the standpoint of the buyer that he was willing, and this is an auction, so somebody bid 100,000 dollars, somebody bid 100 and a quarter. They're Japanese, so they're not really bidding in dollars. But the fact is that it ended up being sold for 173,000 dollars because this man believed that when it was cut up into bite size pieces as it were, people would spend 100 dollars a piece for one these pieces. So the fish that was sold for 173,000 dollars probably ended up being a half-a-million-dollar fish by the time it got to the table. | well what they do at these auctions is, they walk around and there's. a piece of skin peeled back and they feel the meat with their fingers. to see what the fat content is they smell it and since they're going to eat it raw they taste it and this fish the 173,000-dollar fish was so perfect from the standpoint of the buyer that he was willing and this is an auction, so somebody bid 100,000 dollars somebody bid 100 and a. quarter they're japanese so they're not really bidding, in dollars but the fact is that. it ended up being sold for 173,000 dollars, because this man believed that, when it was cut. up, into bite size pieces as it were people would spend. 100 dollars a piece for one. these pieces, so the, fish that was sold for 173,000 dollars probably, ended up being a half-a-million-dollar fish by the time it got to the | Well what they do at these auctions is they walk. around and there's a piece of skin peeled back and they feel the meat with their fingers to see what the fat content is they smell it. and since they're going to eat it raw they taste it And this fish the 173,000-dollar fish was so perfect from the standpoint of the buyer that he was willing, and this is an auction so somebody bid 100,000 dollars somebody bid 100 and. a quarter They're Japanese so they're not really bidding in; dollars But the fact is that it ended up being sold for 173,000 dollars because this man believed that. when it was cut. up into bite size pieces as it were people. would spend. 100 dollars a piece, for one these pieces So the, fish that was, sold. for 173,000 dollars probably ended up being a half-a-million-dollar fish by the time it, got to the | well, what they do at these auctions is they walk around and there's a piece of skin peeled back and they feel the meat with their fingers to see what the fat content is, they smell it and since they're going to eat it raw, they taste it. and this fish, the 173,000-dollar fish, was so perfect from the standpoint of the buyer that he was willing, and this is an auction, so somebody bid 100,000 dollars, somebody bid 100 and a quarter. they're japanese, so they're not really bidding in dollars. but the fact is that it ended up being sold for 173,000 dollars because this man believed that when it was cut up into bite size pieces as it were, people would spend 100 dollars a piece for one these pieces. so the fish that was sold for 173,000 dollars probably ended up being a half-a-million-dollar fish by the time it got to the table. |
It's a 5,000-dollar bite to taste that fish. Let's go to Judy in Portland, Oregon. Hi, Judy. | it's a 5,000-dollar bite to taste, that fish. let's go to judy in portland. oregon, hi | It's a 5,000-dollar bite to taste that fish Let's. go to Judy in Portland Oregon, Hi | it's a 5,000-dollar bite to taste that fish. let's go to judy in portland, oregon. hi, judy. |
Hi there. How are you? | hi there how are | Hi there How are | hi there. how are you? |
Fine. | fine. |
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Hey, I've been to that market. I was telling the gal when I called in. It is amazing to see the amount of fish that there is out there. That people - I mean, it's amazing to think that people have got to have the blue fin because I was born and raised in Japan, blond hair, blue-eyed but you know, and so I've eaten Japanese food my entire life and I rarely eat the toro or the magro because of the fact that there's clams to eat, etc. And on rare occasions, I do. The sushi guy that I go to, who's you know, from Japan, he'll go ahead, I've got in some bodhi which is also fatty belly or the toro, you ought to try some, it's really outstanding and it's this pale, pale pink. It almost looks like you're eating a piece of beef. And it is very buttery. I mean, granted, it is really really good. | hey i've been, to that market i was telling the gal when i called in it is amazing to see the amount of fish that, there, is out. there that people - i mean it's amazing to think that people have got to have the blue fin because i was born and raised in japan blond hair blue-eyed but. you know and so i've; eaten japanese. food. my entire, life and i rarely eat the toro or the magro because of the fact that there's clams to eat etc and on, rare occasions i do the sushi guy that i go to who's, you know, from japan he'll go ahead i've got in some bodhi which is also fatty belly or the toro you ought to try some; it's really. outstanding and it's this pale pale pink it, almost looks like you're eating, a piece of beef and it is very buttery i mean granted it is really, really | Hey I've been to that market I was telling the gal when I. called in It is amazing to; see the amount of fish that there is out there That people - I mean it's amazing to think that people have got to have, the, blue, fin because I was born and raised in Japan blond, hair blue-eyed but you know and so I've eaten Japanese food my entire life and I rarely eat the toro or the magro because of the fact that there's clams to eat etc And on rare occasions I do The, sushi guy. that I. go to who's you. know from Japan he'll go ahead I've got in some bodhi which is also fatty belly or the toro you ought to try some it's really outstanding and it's this. pale pale, pink It almost looks, like you're eating a piece of beef, And it is very buttery. I, mean granted it is really really | hey, i've been to that market. i was telling the gal when i called in. it is amazing to see the amount of fish that there is out there. that people - i mean, it's amazing to think that people have got to have the blue fin because i was born and raised in japan, blond hair, blue-eyed but you know, and so i've eaten japanese food my entire life and i rarely eat the toro or the magro because of the fact that there's clams to eat, etc. and on rare occasions, i do. the sushi guy that i go to, who's you know, from japan, he'll go ahead, i've got in some bodhi which is also fatty belly or the toro, you ought to try some, it's really outstanding and it's this pale, pale pink. it almost looks like you're eating a piece of beef. and it is very buttery. i mean, granted, it is really really good. |
But you know when there are other things out there that I think are just as good. I mean, the stuff that's like a halibut or the different clams like the Gooey Duck Clam, the midu(ph) guy and different clams, Akagai and all these different of clams that maybe Americans aren't necessarily aware of that they should try. And of course, there's always (unintelligible) and my kids are like in their 30s now, and they know about the gaijing roll, gaijing means foreigner in Japanese. And the gaijing roll is like the Philadelphia roll where you get the cream cheese and the... | but you; know when, there are other things out there that i think are, just as good i. mean the stuff that's like a halibut or the different clams like the gooey duck clam the midu(ph) guy and different clams akagai and all these different of clams that. maybe americans aren't necessarily, aware of that they should try and, of course there's always (unintelligible) and my kids are like in their 30s, now and they know about the gaijing roll gaijing means foreigner in japanese and the gaijing roll, is like the philadelphia roll where you get the. cream cheese and | But you know when there are other things out there that I think. are just. as good I mean the stuff that's like a halibut or the different clams like the. Gooey Duck Clam the midu(ph) guy and different clams Akagai and all these different, of clams that, maybe Americans aren't necessarily aware of that they should. try And of course there's, always (unintelligible) and my kids are like in their 30s now and they, know about the gaijing roll gaijing means foreigner in Japanese, And the gaijing roll is like the Philadelphia roll where you get the cream cheese and | but you know when there are other things out there that i think are just as good. i mean, the stuff that's like a halibut or the different clams like the gooey duck clam, the midu(ph) guy and different clams, akagai and all these different of clams that maybe americans aren't necessarily aware of that they should try. and of course, there's always (unintelligible) and my kids are like in their 30s now, and they know about the gaijing roll, gaijing means foreigner in japanese. and the gaijing roll is like the philadelphia roll where you get the cream cheese and the... |
All right, Judy, we get the point. Thanks for calling. Have a good weekend. | all right judy we get, the point thanks for calling have a good | All right Judy we get the point, Thanks for calling Have a good | all right, judy, we get the point. thanks for calling. have a good weekend. |
Bye. | bye. |
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1-800-989-8255. Talking with Richard Ellis, author of "Tuna: A Love Story," on Talk of the Nation Science Friday from NPR News. And lots to talk about. Why can't we just farm the fish? Why can't we make a pen if they're being taken to a pen, why can't we make big fish farms? | 1-800-989-8255. talking with richard ellis author of "tuna: a, love. story" on talk of the nation science friday from npr news and lots to talk about why, can't we just farm; the fish? why can't we make a. pen, if they're being taken to a pen why can't we make big fish | 1-800-989-8255. Talking with Richard Ellis author of "Tuna: A Love Story" on Talk of the Nation Science Friday from NPR News And lots to talk. about Why, can't we just farm, the fish? Why, can't we make a pen. if they're being taken, to a pen why can't we make big fish | 1-800-989-8255. talking with richard ellis, author of "tuna: a love story," on talk of the nation science friday from npr news. and lots to talk about. why can't we just farm the fish? why can't we make a pen if they're being taken to a pen, why can't we make big fish farms? |
We can. Well, it's been done. It's been done. The Japanese tried to do it for obvious reasons and they succeeded in raising a handful, literally, a handful of fish to market size. The European fishery is so intense that it isn't really necessary for the Japanese to do this. On the other hand, in Australia, in South Australia, there is a company called Clean Seas which is a fish farming organization. They have successfully raised yellow fin and another fish, I can't remember the name but they raise them in large tanks and they - this year in fact, in the calendar year of '08, they succeeded for the first time anywhere in getting blue fin tuna to breed in captivity. | we can well it's been done it's been done the; japanese tried to do, it for obvious reasons and they succeeded in raising a handful literally a handful of fish to market size. the european fishery is so intense that it isn't really necessary for the japanese to. do this on the other hand in australia in south, australia there is a company called clean seas which is a fish farming organization they have successfully raised yellow fin and another fish, i can't remember. the name but they raise them. in large tanks and they - this year in fact in the calendar year of '08, they succeeded for the first time anywhere in getting blue fin tuna to breed in | We can Well it's. been done It's been done The. Japanese, tried. to do it for obvious, reasons and they succeeded, in raising a handful literally a handful of fish to. market size The European fishery is so intense that, it isn't really necessary for the Japanese to do, this On the other hand, in Australia in South Australia there is a company called Clean Seas which is a fish farming organization They have successfully raised yellow fin and another; fish I can't remember the name but they. raise them in large tanks and they - this year in fact in the calendar year of '08, they. succeeded for the first time anywhere, in getting blue fin tuna to breed in | we can. well, it's been done. it's been done. the japanese tried to do it for obvious reasons and they succeeded in raising a handful, literally, a handful of fish to market size. the european fishery is so intense that it isn't really necessary for the japanese to do this. on the other hand, in australia, in south australia, there is a company called clean seas which is a fish farming organization. they have successfully raised yellow fin and another fish, i can't remember the name but they raise them in large tanks and they - this year in fact, in the calendar year of '08, they succeeded for the first time anywhere in getting blue fin tuna to breed in captivity. |
While I was in South Australia, I went to research this book. I went to South Australia last year and at that point, I saw the facility, I saw this giant tank that they built which they can control the temperature and the light level to fool the fish into thinking they're in Indonesian waters and at the right time of year, because Tuna breed only once a year, at the right time of year, the tuna were supposed to say, oh good, let's have some babies now, dear. But in fact, they failed last year and so I finished writing the book last year, except that this year, in March, they succeeded. And what they've done is they've fooled the tuna. In other words, the tuna spawned. They've got these little tiny fry and they're trying to raise them. | while i, was in south australia i went to, research this book i went to south australia last year and at that, point i. saw the facility i. saw this giant tank that they built which they, can control the temperature; and the, light level to fool the fish into thinking they're in indonesian waters and at the right time. of year because tuna. breed only once a year at the right time. of year. the tuna were. supposed to say oh good let's have. some babies now dear but in fact. they failed last year, and so i finished writing the book last year except. that this year in march, they succeeded and what they've done is they've fooled the tuna in other words the tuna spawned they've got. these little tiny fry and. they're; trying, to raise | While I was in South Australia I went to research. this book I went to South Australia, last year and at that point I saw the facility I saw this giant tank that they built which they can control the temperature; and the light level. to fool the fish into, thinking they're in Indonesian. waters and at the right time of year because Tuna breed only once a year at the right time of year; the tuna were, supposed to say oh good let's, have some babies now dear But in fact they failed last year and so I finished writing the book last year except that this year. in March they succeeded And what they've. done is they've fooled the. tuna In other words the tuna spawned They've got these little. tiny fry and they're trying to raise | while i was in south australia, i went to research this book. i went to south australia last year and at that point, i saw the facility, i saw this giant tank that they built which they can control the temperature and the light level to fool the fish into thinking they're in indonesian waters and at the right time of year, because tuna breed only once a year, at the right time of year, the tuna were supposed to say, oh good, let's have some babies now, dear. but in fact, they failed last year and so i finished writing the book last year, except that this year, in march, they succeeded. and what they've done is they've fooled the tuna. in other words, the tuna spawned. they've got these little tiny fry and they're trying to raise them. |
Now, it'll be years before these tuna can be raised to market-size so it's impossible to say that this experiment has succeeded but there's no reason why it shouldn't, because these people know what they're doing and they know how to raise these fish. And so therefore, it is possible that this event in South Australia, which occurred in March of '08 will change the equation completely. It might not change it for the better but it will change it completely, because there will be something that can compete with the European fishery and it's conceivable. These people didn't go into it to save the tuna. They went into it to make money, but if you can create a whole lot of saleable tuna without having to go fish for them and shoot them in the head and whatever else you have to do, then you change the balance completely and it's possible. | now it'll be years before these tuna can be raised. to market-size so it's impossible to say that this experiment has. succeeded but there's no reason why it, shouldn't because. these people know what they're doing and they know how to raise these fish and so, therefore it is possible that, this event in south australia which occurred in march of '08 will change, the equation completely it might not change it for the better but it will, change it completely because there will be something that. can compete with the european fishery and it's conceivable these people didn't go into it to save the; tuna they went into it to make money but if you can create a whole lot of saleable tuna, without having to go fish for them, and shoot them in the head and whatever else you have to do then you change the balance completely and it's | Now it'll be, years before these tuna can, be raised to. market-size so it's impossible to say that this experiment has succeeded but there's no. reason why it shouldn't because these people know, what they're doing and they know how to raise these, fish And so therefore. it is possible, that this event in South Australia which occurred in March of '08 will change the equation completely, It might not. change it for the better but it will change, it completely because there will be something that can compete with the European fishery and it's conceivable These people. didn't go into it to save the tuna, They went into it to make money but if you. can create, a whole lot of. saleable, tuna without having to go fish for them and shoot them in the head and whatever else you have to do, then you change the balance completely and it's, | now, it'll be years before these tuna can be raised to market-size so it's impossible to say that this experiment has succeeded but there's no reason why it shouldn't, because these people know what they're doing and they know how to raise these fish. and so therefore, it is possible that this event in south australia, which occurred in march of '08 will change the equation completely. it might not change it for the better but it will change it completely, because there will be something that can compete with the european fishery and it's conceivable. these people didn't go into it to save the tuna. they went into it to make money, but if you can create a whole lot of saleable tuna without having to go fish for them and shoot them in the head and whatever else you have to do, then you change the balance completely and it's possible. |
They've shown that you can do it. They probably have a trade secret, I imagine. | they've shown that you, can do it they probably have a trade secret i, | They've shown that you can do. it They probably. have a trade secret I | they've shown that you can do it. they probably have a trade secret, i imagine. |
Right. Well fish are breathing with gills so they're not taking a packet of air inside them such as in their lungs. In the story of the tunas, what's remarkable is they go down a... | right well fish are breathing with gills so they're not taking a packet of air inside them such as in. their lungs in, the story of. the tunas what's remarkable is they go down, | Right Well fish are; breathing with gills, so they're not taking a packet of air inside them such as in their lungs In the, story of the tunas what's remarkable is they go down | right. well fish are breathing with gills so they're not taking a packet of air inside them such as in their lungs. in the story of the tunas, what's remarkable is they go down a... |
Pressure. | pressure. |
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When I went there. They were very careful to tell me no photographs. I couldn't even photograph the place from outside. I don't know why that they thought maybe I was going to sell their technology to the Japanese or the Koreans but in fact, I saw it. I saw all these pumps. I had no idea what they did. I saw this huge tank and we fed the fish in this huge tank and they are giant fishes. They are 700-800 pound fish that they, in fact, have raised from wild fish that they caught in the ocean. | when i went there they were very careful to tell me no photographs i couldn't even photograph. the place from outside i don't know why that they thought. maybe, i; was going to. sell their technology to the, japanese or the koreans but in fact, i saw it i saw all these pumps i had no, idea what they did i saw this huge tank and we fed the, fish in this huge tank and they, are giant, fishes; they are 700-800 pound fish that they. in fact have raised from wild fish that they caught in the | When, I went there They were very careful to tell me no photographs, I couldn't even photograph the, place from outside I don't know why that they thought maybe I was going to sell their technology to the, Japanese or the Koreans but in fact I saw it I saw all these pumps I had no idea what they did I saw this, huge tank and we fed the fish in this huge tank and they are giant fishes They. are 700-800 pound fish that they in fact, have raised from wild fish that they caught, in, the | when i went there. they were very careful to tell me no photographs. i couldn't even photograph the place from outside. i don't know why that they thought maybe i was going to sell their technology to the japanese or the koreans but in fact, i saw it. i saw all these pumps. i had no idea what they did. i saw this huge tank and we fed the fish in this huge tank and they are giant fishes. they are 700-800 pound fish that they, in fact, have raised from wild fish that they caught in the ocean. |
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