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We're talking with Richard Ellis, author of 'Tuna: A Love Story.' We're going to have a take a short break. We'll come back and talk. I'll ask more with Richard and also talk about an attempt to track the tuna around the oceans and maybe find a way to save them from extinction that way. With our taste for sushi it's getting worse out there. Stay with us. We'll be right back after this break. I'm Ira Flatow. This is Talk of the Nation Science Friday from NPR News.	we're talking with richard ellis author of 'tuna: a love story' we're going to have a take a short break we'll; come back and talk i'll ask, more with richard and also talk about an attempt to track the tuna around the oceans and maybe find a way to save them from extinction that way with our taste. for sushi it's getting worse out, there, stay with; us we'll be right. back after this, break i'm ira flatow this is talk of the nation science. friday from npr	We're talking with Richard Ellis author of 'Tuna: A, Love Story' We're going to have a take a short break. We'll come back and talk I'll ask more with Richard and also talk about an attempt to track the tuna around the oceans and maybe find a way to save them from extinction. that, way With our taste for sushi it's getting worse out there Stay with, us We'll be right back after this break I'm Ira Flatow This is Talk of. the Nation Science Friday from; NPR	we're talking with richard ellis, author of 'tuna: a love story.' we're going to have a take a short break. we'll come back and talk. i'll ask more with richard and also talk about an attempt to track the tuna around the oceans and maybe find a way to save them from extinction that way. with our taste for sushi it's getting worse out there. stay with us. we'll be right back after this break. i'm ira flatow. this is talk of the nation science friday from npr news.
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You're listening to Talk of the Nation Science Friday. I'm Ira Flatow. We're talking about bluefin tuna. This is the fish, I think, most people have seen in the either a sushi or a sashimi in their local sushi bar. I'm talking with Richard Ellis, author of "Tuna: A Love Story." And our next guest has seen these massive tuna out at sea and she's tagged hundreds of them with small computers to track their movements around the world and hopefully, that research could help us in blue fin conservation efforts. And Barbara Block is the professor in Marine Sciences at Stanford University's Hopkins Marine Station in Pacific Grove, California. She's on the phone today from a conference where there are a hundred of scientists gathered to talk about tracking methods of all creatures - penguins, whales, elephant seals and of course, blue fin tuna. Welcome back to the program, Dr. Block.	you're listening to talk of, the nation science friday i'm ira flatow we're talking about bluefin tuna this is the fish i think most people have seen in the either a sushi or a sashimi in their local sushi bar. i'm talking with richard ellis author of "tuna: a love story" and our next guest has seen these; massive tuna out at sea and she's tagged hundreds, of them with small computers to track their movements around the world and, hopefully that, research could help us, in blue fin; conservation efforts and barbara block is, the professor in. marine sciences at stanford. university's hopkins marine, station in pacific grove california she's on the phone today from a conference where there are a hundred of scientists gathered to talk about tracking methods, of all creatures - penguins whales elephant seals and of; course blue fin tuna welcome back to the program dr	You're listening to; Talk of the Nation Science Friday I'm Ira Flatow We're, talking about bluefin tuna This is the fish I think most people have seen, in. the either, a sushi. or a sashimi. in their local sushi bar I'm talking with Richard Ellis. author of "Tuna: A Love Story" And our next guest has; seen these, massive tuna out at sea and she's tagged hundreds of them with small computers to track their movements around the world and hopefully. that research could help us in blue fin conservation efforts And Barbara Block is, the professor in Marine Sciences at Stanford University's Hopkins Marine Station in Pacific Grove California She's on the phone today from a conference where there are a hundred of scientists gathered to talk about tracking methods of all. creatures - penguins whales elephant, seals, and of. course blue fin tuna Welcome back to the program Dr	you're listening to talk of the nation science friday. i'm ira flatow. we're talking about bluefin tuna. this is the fish, i think, most people have seen in the either a sushi or a sashimi in their local sushi bar. i'm talking with richard ellis, author of "tuna: a love story." and our next guest has seen these massive tuna out at sea and she's tagged hundreds of them with small computers to track their movements around the world and hopefully, that research could help us in blue fin conservation efforts. and barbara block is the professor in marine sciences at stanford university's hopkins marine station in pacific grove, california. she's on the phone today from a conference where there are a hundred of scientists gathered to talk about tracking methods of all creatures - penguins, whales, elephant seals and of course, blue fin tuna. welcome back to the program, dr. block.
Hello. Glad to be here.	hello glad to be	Hello Glad, to be	hello. glad to be here.
How is tagging going help up conserve tuna?	how is tagging going help up conserve,	How is tagging going help up conserve	how is tagging going help up conserve tuna?
Well, our team has actually put over 2,000 tags in tunas in several oceans and the tags help us find out where tunas go when they're beneath the sea. So, for all of mankind or for all of time, we haven't been able to actually track tunas beneath the sea very well.	well our team has actually put over, 2,000 tags in tunas in. several oceans and the tags help us. find out where tunas go when they're beneath the sea so for, all of mankind or, for all of time we haven't been able to actually track tunas beneath the sea very	Well our team has actually put over 2,000 tags in tunas in several oceans and the tags help us find out where tunas go when they're beneath the sea So for all of mankind or for all of time we haven't been able to actually track tunas beneath. the. sea very	well, our team has actually put over 2,000 tags in tunas in several oceans and the tags help us find out where tunas go when they're beneath the sea. so, for all of mankind or for all of time, we haven't been able to actually track tunas beneath the sea very well.
We don't know where they come and go?	we don't know where they come and	We don't know where they come and	we don't know where they come and go?
Well, we did until recently and so what we've been doing is we have two types of archival or data or log or tags that are similar to taking, if you will, an IBM laptop, throwing it inside your local tuna and then letting them go again. So these tunas have been carrying around these tags and they're actually running a 17th century algorithm on 21st century tag. They're measuring sunrise and sunset and from sunrise and sunset, we can actually figure out the longitude and latitude of where the tuna is while they're beneath the sea.	well we did until recently and so what we've been; doing is we have two types of archival or data or log or tags, that are similar to taking if you will. an ibm laptop throwing it inside your local tuna and then letting them go again so these tunas have been carrying around these tags and, they're actually running, a 17th, century algorithm, on 21st century tag they're measuring sunrise and sunset and from sunrise and sunset we can actually figure out, the longitude and. latitude, of where the tuna is while they're beneath the	Well we did until recently and so what we've been doing is we have two types of archival or data or. log, or tags that are similar to taking if you will an IBM laptop throwing it inside your local tuna and then letting them go again So these tunas have been carrying around these tags and they're. actually running a. 17th; century algorithm on 21st century tag They're measuring sunrise; and sunset and from sunrise and sunset we can. actually figure out the longitude and latitude of where the, tuna is while they're beneath the	well, we did until recently and so what we've been doing is we have two types of archival or data or log or tags that are similar to taking, if you will, an ibm laptop, throwing it inside your local tuna and then letting them go again. so these tunas have been carrying around these tags and they're actually running a 17th century algorithm on 21st century tag. they're measuring sunrise and sunset and from sunrise and sunset, we can actually figure out the longitude and latitude of where the tuna is while they're beneath the sea.
How do you tag a tuna?	how do you tag a.	How do you tag a	how do you tag a tuna?
Well, what we do is we go out to places like the coast of North Carolina, down there at Morehead City. We're about to go up to Canada, and we work with fishers that are the best at finding out where the tunas are. But tuna, actually is caught on hook and line with a hook that's a special type of hook called a circle hook. We can pull a tuna as large as 1100-1200 pounds even into a boat, de-hook the tuna, put a hose in the mouth to keep the oxygen flowing over its gill and then we quickly either put an external tag on, that's called the pop up satellite archival tag, or we do a quick surgery with a local anesthetic where we were able to stick an archival tag, this little IBM-like computer, inside the tuna. I should say it's more like an iPhone in terms of its memory, and then the tag has external sensors, that sense the marine environment around the tuna. We let it go and then we tag the outside of the tuna with a simple spaghetti tag that says "if you find me," it's colored green, "we'll give you a big reward to get the tag back."	well what, we do is we go out to places. like the coast of, north carolina down there at morehead city we're about to go up to canada and, we work with. fishers that are the best at finding out where the tunas are but tuna. actually is caught on hook and line, with a hook that's a special type of hook called a, circle hook we can. pull, a tuna as. large as 1100-1200 pounds even into a boat de-hook the; tuna put a hose in the mouth to keep the oxygen flowing over its gill and then we quickly either put an external tag. on that's called the pop up satellite archival tag or we do a quick surgery with a local anesthetic where we, were able to stick an archival tag this little ibm-like computer inside the tuna i should say it's more like an iphone in, terms of. its memory and then the tag. has external sensors that sense the marine environment around, the tuna we let it go and then we tag the outside of the tuna with a simple spaghetti. tag that; says "if you find me" it's colored green. "we'll give you a big reward to get the tag	Well what we do is we go out to places like the. coast of North Carolina down there at Morehead City, We're about to go up to Canada and we. work with fishers that are the best at finding out where the tunas are But tuna actually is caught, on hook and line, with a hook that's a. special type of hook called a. circle hook, We can pull a. tuna as. large as 1100-1200 pounds even into a boat de-hook the. tuna put a hose. in the mouth to keep the oxygen flowing over its gill and then we quickly either put an external tag on that's called the pop up satellite archival tag or we do a quick surgery with a local anesthetic where we were able to stick an archival. tag this little IBM-like computer inside the tuna I should say it's, more like an. iPhone. in terms; of its memory and then the. tag. has external sensors that, sense the. marine environment around the tuna. We let it go. and. then. we tag the outside of the tuna with, a simple spaghetti tag that says "if, you find me" it's colored green. "we'll give you. a big reward to get the tag	well, what we do is we go out to places like the coast of north carolina, down there at morehead city. we're about to go up to canada, and we work with fishers that are the best at finding out where the tunas are. but tuna, actually is caught on hook and line with a hook that's a special type of hook called a circle hook. we can pull a tuna as large as 1100-1200 pounds even into a boat, de-hook the tuna, put a hose in the mouth to keep the oxygen flowing over its gill and then we quickly either put an external tag on, that's called the pop up satellite archival tag, or we do a quick surgery with a local anesthetic where we were able to stick an archival tag, this little ibm-like computer, inside the tuna. i should say it's more like an iphone in terms of its memory, and then the tag has external sensors, that sense the marine environment around the tuna. we let it go and then we tag the outside of the tuna with a simple spaghetti tag that says "if you find me," it's colored green, "we'll give you a big reward to get the tag back."
Richard Ellis, have you ever seen a tagged tuna?	richard ellis have you ever seen, a tagged,	Richard; Ellis; have you ever seen a tagged	richard ellis, have you ever seen a tagged tuna?
Sure. First of all, let me say hello to Barbara. I think what she has done and is doing is one of the most important biological experiments being done because it is giving us knowledge that we never had before, that we never could have before, and the ability to tag and follow tuna, and understand where they go. We also, this also clocks their depth. We know that tuna now can dive to 3,000 feet, at the same time with monitoring their body temperature. So I think what she's doing is great.	sure first of all let me say hello to barbara i think what she has done and is doing is. one of the most important. biological experiments being done because it is giving us knowledge; that we never had before that we never, could have before and the ability, to tag and follow tuna and understand where they go we also this also clocks their depth we know that tuna now can dive to 3,000 feet at the same time with monitoring their body temperature so i think what she's doing is	Sure First of all let me say hello to Barbara I think what she has done and is. doing is one of the. most important biological experiments being done because, it is giving us knowledge. that we never had before that we never could have before and the ability to tag and follow tuna. and; understand, where they go We also. this also clocks their depth We know that tuna now can dive to 3,000 feet at the same, time with monitoring their body temperature So I think what she's doing is	sure. first of all, let me say hello to barbara. i think what she has done and is doing is one of the most important biological experiments being done because it is giving us knowledge that we never had before, that we never could have before, and the ability to tag and follow tuna, and understand where they go. we also, this also clocks their depth. we know that tuna now can dive to 3,000 feet, at the same time with monitoring their body temperature. so i think what she's doing is great.
I think it's great. You're there and I'm glad you're on the show and thanks for welcoming me. It turns out they can dive to deeper than that depth - (unintelligible) is actually they've hit our limits of 2,000 meters or 6,000 feet and it's a remarkable story. And I've been at a conference this week. Of all the biologgers in the globe, we had 20 nations, about 90 species being discussed, and gadgets were being put on a whole lot of animals and were opening up the mystery of our undersea world with these same electronics that allow us to talk to satellites on our telephones, we're actually able to get lots of information.	i think it's. great you're there and i'm glad you're on the show, and thanks for welcoming me it turns out they can dive to deeper than that depth - (unintelligible) is. actually they've hit our limits of 2,000 meters or 6,000 feet and it's a remarkable story and i've been at a conference this week of all the biologgers in the globe we had 20 nations about 90 species being discussed and gadgets were being put on a whole lot of animals and were opening up, the mystery of our undersea world with these same, electronics that, allow us to talk to satellites on our telephones. we're actually able to get lots of	I think it's great You're there and I'm glad you're on the show and thanks for welcoming me It turns out they, can dive to deeper than that, depth - (unintelligible) is actually they've hit our limits of 2,000 meters or 6,000 feet and it's a remarkable, story And I've, been at a conference this week Of all the biologgers in the globe we had. 20 nations about 90 species being discussed and gadgets were being put. on a whole lot of animals and were opening. up the mystery of our, undersea world, with these same electronics that, allow us to, talk. to satellites on our telephones, we're actually able to get lots of	i think it's great. you're there and i'm glad you're on the show and thanks for welcoming me. it turns out they can dive to deeper than that depth - (unintelligible) is actually they've hit our limits of 2,000 meters or 6,000 feet and it's a remarkable story. and i've been at a conference this week. of all the biologgers in the globe, we had 20 nations, about 90 species being discussed, and gadgets were being put on a whole lot of animals and were opening up the mystery of our undersea world with these same electronics that allow us to talk to satellites on our telephones, we're actually able to get lots of information.
Does the tuna have to surface so that it hits the satellite?	does the tuna have. to surface so. that it hits the	Does the, tuna have to surface so that it hits the	does the tuna have to surface so that it hits the satellite?
Well, on the tunas, we're using two types of tags. So one tag is a recorder, or a data-logger. And it's actually just taking data, archiving it...	well on the tunas we're using two types of. tags, so one tag is a recorder or a data-logger and it's actually just taking data archiving	Well on the tunas we're using two types of tags So one; tag is a recorder or a data-logger And it's actually just; taking data archiving,	well, on the tunas, we're using two types of tags. so one tag is a recorder, or a data-logger. and it's actually just taking data, archiving it...
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And we don't get it back until a fisherman catches that same tuna a second time.	and. we don't get it back until a fisherman catches that same tuna a second	And we don't get it back until a fisherman, catches that same tuna a, second	and we don't get it back until a fisherman catches that same tuna a second time.
Does he get a bounty for catching that tuna?	does he get a bounty for catching that	Does he get a bounty for. catching that	does he get a bounty for catching that tuna?
They get a reward for catching the tuna and returning the tag. So we have lots of tags coming back to us in the Atlantic, probably at this point 30 nations have returned 20 percent of the tags we put in the ocean of the Archival type, in the Pacific a whopping 50 percent of the tunas we tag have had their archival tags returned by about three nations.	they get a reward for catching the tuna and returning the tag so we; have. lots of tags coming back to us in the atlantic probably at this point 30 nations have returned 20 percent of. the tags we put in the ocean of the archival, type in the pacific a whopping 50 percent of the tunas we tag; have had their archival tags returned by about three	They get a reward for catching, the tuna and returning the tag So we, have lots, of, tags coming back to us in the Atlantic probably at this, point 30 nations have returned 20 percent of the tags we put in the, ocean of the Archival type in the Pacific a whopping 50 percent of the tunas we tag have had their archival tags. returned by about three.	they get a reward for catching the tuna and returning the tag. so we have lots of tags coming back to us in the atlantic, probably at this point 30 nations have returned 20 percent of the tags we put in the ocean of the archival type, in the pacific a whopping 50 percent of the tunas we tag have had their archival tags returned by about three nations.
And what did you give - what, 500 dollars, something like?	and what did you give - what 500 dollars something	And what did you give - what 500 dollars something	and what did you give - what, 500 dollars, something like?
We give them back 500 dollars in the Pacific and actually a thousand dollars in Atlantic because they are rarer to find. The second type of tag we uses is as pop-up satellite tag, and it combines the brains, if you will, the controller of the archival tag that - it's put out on the outside of the fish. And on a given day, it could be your birthday, we program it to come up and what happens is a stainless steel pin, corrodes, through electrolysis. The tag floats to the surface with syntactic foam, comes up to the surface and then transmit its data to an earth-orbiting satellite.	we give. them back 500 dollars in the pacific and, actually a thousand dollars in atlantic. because they are rarer to find the, second type of tag we uses is as pop-up satellite tag and it combines the, brains if you will the controller of the archival tag that - it's put out on the outside of the fish and on a given day it could be your birthday, we program it to come up and what happens is a stainless steel pin corrodes through electrolysis the tag floats, to, the surface with syntactic foam comes up to the surface and then transmit its data to an earth-orbiting	We give them back 500 dollars, in the Pacific and actually a thousand dollars in Atlantic because, they are rarer to find The second type of tag we uses is as pop-up satellite tag and; it combines. the brains if you will the controller of the archival. tag that - it's put out on. the outside of the fish And on a given day it could be your birthday we program it to come up and what happens is a stainless. steel pin corrodes through electrolysis The tag floats to, the surface with. syntactic foam comes up to the surface and then, transmit its data, to an earth-orbiting	we give them back 500 dollars in the pacific and actually a thousand dollars in atlantic because they are rarer to find. the second type of tag we uses is as pop-up satellite tag, and it combines the brains, if you will, the controller of the archival tag that - it's put out on the outside of the fish. and on a given day, it could be your birthday, we program it to come up and what happens is a stainless steel pin, corrodes, through electrolysis. the tag floats to the surface with syntactic foam, comes up to the surface and then transmit its data to an earth-orbiting satellite.
Dr. BLOCK. No. Actually, they're sort of incompressible because they too are sort of a fluid, and without having lungs it isn't as much of a problem.	dr block no actually they're sort of incompressible because they too are sort of a fluid and without having lungs it isn't as much of a	Dr BLOCK No Actually they're sort of incompressible because they too are sort of a fluid and without having lungs it isn't as, much of a	dr. block. no. actually, they're sort of incompressible because they too are sort of a fluid, and without having lungs it isn't as much of a problem.
Wow.			wow.
So some of the big picture questions for blue fin is that their warm body, as Richard said, they get to be as warm as about 85 to 88 degrees inside. They actually have hearts that are exposed to the cold water, so the real conundrum of tuna biology, if you will, when we're trying to figure out how they work is that their hearts are actually delivering blood to a warm body, and the warm body screams for more oxygen and more energy. And the heart actually can function over a much wider temperature range than our mammal heart.	so some of the big picture questions for blue fin, is that their warm body as richard said they get to be as warm as about 85 to 88 degrees inside they actually have hearts that are exposed, to. the cold water so the, real conundrum of; tuna biology if you will when we're trying to figure out how they work, is that their hearts are actually delivering, blood to a warm body and the warm body screams, for more oxygen and more energy and the heart actually can function, over a much wider temperature range than our mammal	So some of the big picture questions for blue fin is. that their warm body as Richard said they get to. be as warm as about 85 to 88 degrees inside They actually have hearts that are exposed to the cold water, so the real conundrum of tuna biology if you will when we're trying to figure, out how they work is that their hearts are actually delivering blood to a, warm. body and the warm body screams for, more oxygen and more energy And the heart actually can function over a much wider temperature range than our mammal	so some of the big picture questions for blue fin is that their warm body, as richard said, they get to be as warm as about 85 to 88 degrees inside. they actually have hearts that are exposed to the cold water, so the real conundrum of tuna biology, if you will, when we're trying to figure out how they work is that their hearts are actually delivering blood to a warm body, and the warm body screams for more oxygen and more energy. and the heart actually can function over a much wider temperature range than our mammal heart.
Let's go to Jonah in Queen's, New York. Hi, Jonah.	let's go to jonah in queen's new york hi	Let's go to Jonah in Queen's, New York Hi	let's go to jonah in queen's, new york. hi, jonah.
Hi. Thanks for having me. Two-part question. How did tuna originally get to have the appeal that it does? And is it they're only expensive now because it's rare?	hi thanks for having me, two-part question how did tuna originally get to have the; appeal that it does? and is it they're only expensive now because it's	Hi Thanks. for having, me Two-part question How did tuna originally get to have the appeal that it does? And is it they're only expensive now because it's	hi. thanks for having me. two-part question. how did tuna originally get to have the appeal that it does? and is it they're only expensive now because it's rare?
Hmm. When did sushi first start? Has it been in the Japanese diet forever?	hmm when did sushi, first start? has, it been in. the japanese diet	Hmm When, did sushi first start? Has it been in the Japanese diet	hmm. when did sushi first start? has it been in the japanese diet forever?
Well, you would think so. But in fact, it's a relatively recent innovation. Because up until the Second World War there were no such things as home freezers or even much in the way of refrigerators in Japan. It was only after the war when refrigerators and freezers were introduced that the Japanese could freeze fish. Prior to that they smoke fish or they pickled it, or they dried it. But the introduction of the refrigerators in the 1960s enabled them to freeze it and therefore store it for time and then introduce sushi. So sushi - this whole thing that you tend to believe the Japanese have been eating forever only began around the 1960s. And just think of this for a moment.	well you would think so but in fact; it's a. relatively recent. innovation because up until the second world war; there were no. such. things as home freezers or even; much in the. way of refrigerators in japan, it was only after the war when refrigerators and freezers were. introduced that the japanese could freeze; fish prior to that they smoke fish or they pickled it or they; dried it but the introduction of the refrigerators in the 1960s enabled them to freeze it, and therefore store it. for, time and then introduce, sushi so; sushi - this whole thing that you tend. to believe the japanese have been eating forever only began. around the 1960s, and, just think of this for a	Well you would think so But in, fact it's a relatively recent innovation Because up until the Second World War there were no such things as home freezers or even much. in. the. way of, refrigerators in Japan It, was only after the war when refrigerators, and freezers were introduced that the Japanese. could freeze fish Prior to that they smoke fish or they. pickled, it, or they dried it But, the introduction of the refrigerators in the 1960s enabled them to freeze it and therefore store it for time and then, introduce sushi, So sushi - this whole thing that you tend to believe the Japanese have, been eating forever only began around the 1960s, And, just think. of this for a	well, you would think so. but in fact, it's a relatively recent innovation. because up until the second world war there were no such things as home freezers or even much in the way of refrigerators in japan. it was only after the war when refrigerators and freezers were introduced that the japanese could freeze fish. prior to that they smoke fish or they pickled it, or they dried it. but the introduction of the refrigerators in the 1960s enabled them to freeze it and therefore store it for time and then introduce sushi. so sushi - this whole thing that you tend to believe the japanese have been eating forever only began around the 1960s. and just think of this for a moment.
Now we can say that we're sushi and sashimi on the air here and everybody says, oh, yeah, I'd love that, my favorite Japanese restaurant is. But 40 years ago, even 30 years ago, most Americans - for most Americans the idea of eating a piece of raw fish was nigh on to disgusting, nobody wanted to eat raw fish. The Japanese started it, they exported the technology, they exported the menus. And all of a sudden it's become this enormously popular, enormously expensive thing.	now we can say that. we're sushi and sashimi on the air here and. everybody says oh yeah i'd love; that my favorite japanese restaurant is but 40 years ago even 30 years ago most americans - for most, americans, the idea of eating a piece of raw fish was nigh on to disgusting nobody wanted to eat raw fish the japanese started it they exported the technology they exported, the menus and all of a sudden; it's, become this enormously popular enormously expensive	Now we, can say that we're sushi and sashimi; on. the air here and everybody says oh yeah; I'd love, that my favorite Japanese restaurant is But, 40 years ago even 30 years ago most Americans - for most Americans the idea of, eating a piece of raw, fish was nigh on to disgusting nobody wanted to eat raw fish The Japanese started it. they exported. the technology they, exported the menus And all of a sudden it's become this enormously popular enormously expensive	now we can say that we're sushi and sashimi on the air here and everybody says, oh, yeah, i'd love that, my favorite japanese restaurant is. but 40 years ago, even 30 years ago, most americans - for most americans the idea of eating a piece of raw fish was nigh on to disgusting, nobody wanted to eat raw fish. the japanese started it, they exported the technology, they exported the menus. and all of a sudden it's become this enormously popular, enormously expensive thing.
And Barbara, what other kinds of research do you want to learn? I mean, you learned how deep this tuna can dive, what other things do you hope to learn from tagging this fish?	and barbara what other kinds of research do. you want. to, learn? i mean you learned how deep this tuna can dive what other things do you hope to. learn from tagging this	And Barbara what other kinds of research do you want to learn? I mean you learned how deep this tuna can dive what other things do you hope to learn from tagging this,	and barbara, what other kinds of research do you want to learn? i mean, you learned how deep this tuna can dive, what other things do you hope to learn from tagging this fish?
Well, yeah, here at Stanford and with the Monterey Bay Aquarium we have sort of two programs. One is that we actually keep tunas. I heard the discussion about clean seas where I have visited this year too. We actually have a land-based facility that's been operational since 1994, and we actually are learning about the tunas as Olympians in our land-based facility. They are one of the greatest athletes in the world. And from the tagging studies, what we've learned is a single tuna, no bigger than 30 pounds, can actually swim across the Pacific and back three times in the mission on its tag. Most of us would go into the cold water of Monterey Bay and not get very far, but the tunas in their warm bodied sort of missile shape are able to actually power themselves efficiently across the ocean. And we're learning where are their corridors, where are their forging grounds that might be equivalent to the watering holes of the African planes where are the Savannah's that they're feeding on. And for all of these areas that are sort of out of sight not in mind when they're - we're talking about the ocean. The tags are sort of giving us that view.	well yeah here at stanford and with the monterey bay aquarium we have sort of two programs one is. that we actually keep tunas i heard the, discussion about clean seas where i have visited, this year too we actually have a land-based facility that's been operational. since 1994, and we actually are learning about the. tunas as, olympians in our land-based facility they are. one of the greatest, athletes in the world and from the tagging studies what we've learned is a single tuna no bigger than 30 pounds can actually swim across the pacific and back three times in the mission on its tag most of us, would go into the cold water of, monterey bay and not get very far but the tunas in their warm bodied sort of missile shape are able to, actually power themselves, efficiently; across the ocean and we're learning where, are their corridors where, are their forging grounds that might. be equivalent to the watering holes. of the african planes where are the savannah's that they're feeding on, and for all of; these areas that are sort of out of sight not in mind, when they're - we're talking about the ocean the tags are sort, of giving. us that	Well yeah, here at Stanford, and with the Monterey Bay Aquarium we have sort of two programs One is that we actually keep tunas I heard the discussion about. clean seas where I have visited this year too We actually have a land-based; facility that's been operational since 1994, and we actually are, learning about the tunas as Olympians in our land-based facility They are one of the greatest athletes in the world And from the tagging studies what we've learned is a single tuna no bigger than 30 pounds can actually swim across the Pacific and back three times in the. mission. on its tag Most of us would go into, the. cold water of Monterey Bay and not get very far but the tunas in their warm bodied sort of missile shape are able to actually power themselves efficiently across the ocean And we're learning where are their corridors where are their forging grounds that might be equivalent to. the watering holes of. the African planes where, are the Savannah's that they're feeding on And for all of these, areas that are sort of out, of sight not in mind when they're - we're talking, about the ocean The, tags are sort of giving us that	well, yeah, here at stanford and with the monterey bay aquarium we have sort of two programs. one is that we actually keep tunas. i heard the discussion about clean seas where i have visited this year too. we actually have a land-based facility that's been operational since 1994, and we actually are learning about the tunas as olympians in our land-based facility. they are one of the greatest athletes in the world. and from the tagging studies, what we've learned is a single tuna, no bigger than 30 pounds, can actually swim across the pacific and back three times in the mission on its tag. most of us would go into the cold water of monterey bay and not get very far, but the tunas in their warm bodied sort of missile shape are able to actually power themselves efficiently across the ocean. and we're learning where are their corridors, where are their forging grounds that might be equivalent to the watering holes of the african planes where are the savannah's that they're feeding on. and for all of these areas that are sort of out of sight not in mind when they're - we're talking about the ocean. the tags are sort of giving us that view.
It's so bad you can't train a tuna. Because then you could put it in, you know, with one of these aquariums where they - they can't train a tuna.	it's so bad you can't train a tuna; because then, you could put it in you know with one of these aquariums, where they - they can't train a	It's so bad you can't train a tuna Because then you could put it in you know with one of these aquariums where they - they can't train a	it's so bad you can't train a tuna. because then you could put it in, you know, with one of these aquariums where they - they can't train a tuna.
Well, you can...	well you	Well you	well, you can...
Why would you eat something that's, you know, doing all kinds of flips and swirls and things like that...	why would, you eat something that's you know doing all kinds of flips and swirls and things like	Why would you eat something that's you know doing all kinds, of flips and swirls. and things, like	why would you eat something that's, you know, doing all kinds of flips and swirls and things like that...
Oh, people do that all the time. And there are people who watch horses and cows and things jumping around. But, one of the interesting things is while you don't necessarily train them very well, at the Monterey Bay Aquarium there's what's called the outer bay tank which is this giant tank, this million-gallon tank. It's bigger actually than the tank at Clean Seas where they're breeding them. At the Monterey Bay Aquarium they have blue fin and yellow fin tunas swimming around. And for me, at any rate, you asked me earlier why I loved the tuna. I can stand in front of that tank for hours at a time - that's in fact the tank where they're now, today - have the fourth young great white shark. And it draws great crowds to look at, you know, this mini jaws. But most of the fish in the tank are blue fin and yellow fin tuna. And it is breathtaking, for some of us anyway, to watch them in that tank. And I've stood there for hours and watch them. And you can see them circling relatively slowly, tuna have to keep moving. You've heard about sharks...	oh people do that all the time and there. are people who watch horses and cows and things jumping around but one of the interesting things is while you. don't necessarily train them. very well at the. monterey, bay, aquarium there's what's called the outer bay tank which is this giant, tank this million-gallon tank it's. bigger actually than the tank at clean seas where they're breeding them at, the monterey bay aquarium they have blue fin and yellow fin tunas swimming around and for me at any rate you asked me earlier why i loved the tuna i can stand in front, of that tank for hours; at a, time - that's, in fact the. tank where they're now today - have the, fourth young great white shark and it draws great. crowds; to look at you know this mini jaws but most of, the fish in the tank, are blue fin; and yellow. fin tuna and it is breathtaking for, some of us anyway to watch. them in that tank, and i've stood there, for hours and watch them and you can see, them circling relatively; slowly tuna have to keep. moving you've heard about	Oh people do that all the time, And there are people who. watch horses. and cows and things jumping around But one of the interesting things is while you don't necessarily train them very well at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. there's what's called. the outer bay tank which, is this giant tank this million-gallon tank It's bigger actually than the tank at Clean Seas where they're. breeding them At the Monterey Bay Aquarium, they have blue. fin and yellow fin tunas swimming around And for me at any rate you, asked me earlier why. I loved the tuna I can stand in front of that tank for hours at a time. - that's in fact the tank where, they're now today - have the fourth young great white shark And it draws great crowds to look at you know this mini jaws But most of the fish in the tank are blue fin and yellow fin tuna And it is; breathtaking. for some of us anyway to watch them, in that tank And, I've stood there for hours and watch them And you can see. them circling. relatively slowly tuna have to keep moving You've heard about;	oh, people do that all the time. and there are people who watch horses and cows and things jumping around. but, one of the interesting things is while you don't necessarily train them very well, at the monterey bay aquarium there's what's called the outer bay tank which is this giant tank, this million-gallon tank. it's bigger actually than the tank at clean seas where they're breeding them. at the monterey bay aquarium they have blue fin and yellow fin tunas swimming around. and for me, at any rate, you asked me earlier why i loved the tuna. i can stand in front of that tank for hours at a time - that's in fact the tank where they're now, today - have the fourth young great white shark. and it draws great crowds to look at, you know, this mini jaws. but most of the fish in the tank are blue fin and yellow fin tuna. and it is breathtaking, for some of us anyway, to watch them in that tank. and i've stood there for hours and watch them. and you can see them circling relatively slowly, tuna have to keep moving. you've heard about sharks...
Yeah, yeah.	yeah	Yeah	yeah, yeah.
But that doesn't always works for sharks but it certainly always works for tuna. If you trap a tuna in a net and it can't keep swimming, it will drown. But I will watch them - and Barbara has a much better opportunity when she's not at sea because she's a lot closer to the Monterey Bay Aquarium than I am - although I'm going to be there in October. The fact is that I watch them and I watch them circling and suddenly, bang, a fish that used to be there isn't there anymore because for reasons known only to this tuna, it accelerates instantaneously, and you think, wait a minute, this can't be happening. I was just looking at that fish, it's not here anymore. Because they are so powerful and so fast - I love the description of them being Olympic athletes because they are better at what they do than any other fish.	but that doesn't always works for sharks but. it certainly. always works for tuna. if you trap. a tuna in a net and it can't keep, swimming it will drown but i will watch them, - and barbara has a much better opportunity when she's not at sea because she's a lot, closer to the monterey bay aquarium. than i am - although i'm going to be there in october the fact is that i watch them and i watch them. circling and suddenly bang a fish that used to be there isn't there anymore because for, reasons known only to this tuna it accelerates instantaneously and you think wait a; minute this can't be happening i was; just looking at that fish it's not here anymore because, they are so powerful and so fast, - i love the description of. them being olympic athletes because they are better, at what they do than any other	But that doesn't always works for sharks. but it certainly always works for tuna If you trap a tuna in a net and, it can't keep swimming it will drown But I will watch them - and Barbara has a much better opportunity when she's not at sea. because she's a lot closer to the, Monterey Bay Aquarium than I am - although I'm going to, be there in October The fact is that I watch. them and I watch them circling. and suddenly bang a fish that used to be there isn't, there anymore because. for reasons known, only to, this tuna it accelerates instantaneously and you think wait a minute this can't be happening. I was just. looking at that fish it's not here anymore. Because they are so, powerful and so fast - I love the description of them being Olympic athletes because they are better at what, they; do than any other	but that doesn't always works for sharks but it certainly always works for tuna. if you trap a tuna in a net and it can't keep swimming, it will drown. but i will watch them - and barbara has a much better opportunity when she's not at sea because she's a lot closer to the monterey bay aquarium than i am - although i'm going to be there in october. the fact is that i watch them and i watch them circling and suddenly, bang, a fish that used to be there isn't there anymore because for reasons known only to this tuna, it accelerates instantaneously, and you think, wait a minute, this can't be happening. i was just looking at that fish, it's not here anymore. because they are so powerful and so fast - i love the description of them being olympic athletes because they are better at what they do than any other fish.
Barbara, are you as passionate about doing it as Richard is?	barbara. are you as passionate about, doing it as richard	Barbara are you as passionate about doing it as Richard	barbara, are you as passionate about doing it as richard is?
Well, I'm sure. I think that we'd be in the same ball park so - Stanford and Monterey Bay Aquarium working together has brought this view of blue fin as well as the white shark that we can see today at the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and there's life at the open sea. And now millions of people can come by and see the beauty of the color, the form, and the gorgeous way that they swim because we have this open-sea tank that we've helped with the science and the aquarium with their tremendous knowledge of animal husbandry together - put together.	well i'm sure i think that we'd be, in the same ball park so - stanford and, monterey bay aquarium working together has brought this view of, blue fin as well as the white shark that we can see, today at the monterey bay aquarium and there's. life at the open sea, and. now, millions of. people can come by and see the beauty of the color the, form; and the gorgeous way that they swim because we have this open-sea tank that we've helped with the science; and the aquarium with their tremendous knowledge of animal husbandry together - put	Well, I'm sure I think that we'd be in, the same ball park so - Stanford and Monterey Bay Aquarium working together has brought this view of blue fin as well as the white shark that we can see today at the Monterey Bay Aquarium and there's life at the open sea And now millions of people can come by and see the beauty, of the color the form and the gorgeous way that they swim because we have this open-sea tank, that we've helped with the science and the aquarium with their. tremendous knowledge of animal husbandry together - put	well, i'm sure. i think that we'd be in the same ball park so - stanford and monterey bay aquarium working together has brought this view of blue fin as well as the white shark that we can see today at the monterey bay aquarium, and there's life at the open sea. and now millions of people can come by and see the beauty of the color, the form, and the gorgeous way that they swim because we have this open-sea tank that we've helped with the science and the aquarium with their tremendous knowledge of animal husbandry together - put together.
Talking about tuna this hour on Talk of the Nation: Science Friday from NPR News. I am Ira Flatow talking with Richard Ellis, author of "Tuna: A Love Story" and also with Barbara Block. I will see if we can get a phone call or two in here. Let's go to Amy in Chandler, Arizona.	talking about tuna this hour on talk of the nation: science friday from npr news i am ira flatow. talking with richard ellis author of "tuna: a love story" and also with barbara block i will see if we can get a phone call or two in here let's go to amy, in chandler	Talking about tuna this hour on Talk of the Nation: Science Friday from NPR News I am, Ira Flatow talking with Richard Ellis author of "Tuna: A Love Story" and also with Barbara Block I, will see if; we can get a phone call or two in here Let's go to Amy in Chandler	talking about tuna this hour on talk of the nation: science friday from npr news. i am ira flatow talking with richard ellis, author of "tuna: a love story" and also with barbara block. i will see if we can get a phone call or two in here. let's go to amy in chandler, arizona.