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Horses more than anything. | horses more than, | Horses more than | horses more than anything. |
The horses constitute about 30 percent of the depictions. But the - according to the middens, the principal food item was reindeer, and they are almost nonexistent as paintings. So I had no idea what any of that any of that means, but I'm happy to no one else does either. | the horses constitute about 30 percent of the, depictions but the - according to the middens the principal food item was reindeer and they are almost nonexistent as paintings so. i had no idea what any of that any of that means but i'm happy to no one, else does | The horses constitute about 30 percent of the depictions But the - according to the middens the principal food item was reindeer and they are almost nonexistent as paintings So I had no idea what any. of that any of that means but I'm happy to no one. else does | the horses constitute about 30 percent of the depictions. but the - according to the middens, the principal food item was reindeer, and they are almost nonexistent as paintings. so i had no idea what any of that any of that means, but i'm happy to no one else does either. |
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Absolutely. And, unfortunately, you know, it's sad for me because let's say they don't - we don't find that Large Hadron Collider, that in some sense would be the most interesting finding... | absolutely and, unfortunately you; know it's sad for me because let's, say they, don't - we don't find that large hadron collider. that. in some; sense would be the. most interesting | Absolutely And unfortunately you know it's sad for me because let's say they don't - we don't find that Large Hadron. Collider that in some sense would be the most interesting. | absolutely. and, unfortunately, you know, it's sad for me because let's say they don't - we don't find that large hadron collider, that in some sense would be the most interesting finding... |
Well, you know, that's right. I mean, I think it's the sense I got from - what you just mentioned, is that these are fascinating questions. There are questions we may know - never know the answer to. But, you know, it's just - it fuels our speculation to wonder, what were their forgotten dreams as Werner's titled his film... | well you know that's right i mean i think it's, the, sense. i got from - what you just mentioned is that these are fascinating questions there are questions we may know, - never; know the answer to, but you know it's just - it fuels our speculation to wonder what were their forgotten dreams as werner's titled his | Well you know that's right I mean I think it's the sense I got from - what you just mentioned is that these are fascinating questions There are questions we may know - never know, the answer to But you. know it's just - it fuels our speculation to wonder what were their forgotten dreams as Werner's titled his | well, you know, that's right. i mean, i think it's the sense i got from - what you just mentioned, is that these are fascinating questions. there are questions we may know - never know the answer to. but, you know, it's just - it fuels our speculation to wonder, what were their forgotten dreams as werner's titled his film... |
Yeah. When you speak about forgotten dreams, you know, there's one stunning piece unearthed, a rock pendant. The only partial human depiction, the lower part of a female body, naked, the pubic area visible, and the bison somehow embracing the female. And 32,000 years later, you have Picasso drawing paintings and doing prints of the Minotaur and the female. | yeah when you speak about forgotten dreams you know there's one stunning piece unearthed a rock pendant the only partial human depiction the lower part of a. female body naked the. pubic area visible and the bison somehow embracing, the female and 32,000 years later. you have picasso, drawing paintings and doing prints of the minotaur and the | Yeah; When you speak about forgotten dreams you know there's one stunning piece unearthed a rock pendant The only partial human depiction the lower part of a female body naked the pubic area visible and the bison somehow embracing the female And; 32,000 years later you have, Picasso, drawing, paintings and doing prints of the Minotaur and. the | yeah. when you speak about forgotten dreams, you know, there's one stunning piece unearthed, a rock pendant. the only partial human depiction, the lower part of a female body, naked, the pubic area visible, and the bison somehow embracing the female. and 32,000 years later, you have picasso drawing paintings and doing prints of the minotaur and the female. |
You know what Picasso said when he came up out of Lascaux after the war? | you know what picasso said when he came up out of lascaux after the | You know what Picasso said when he came up out of Lascaux after the | you know what picasso said when he came up out of lascaux after the war? |
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He said, we've learned nothing. I think, well... | he said we've learned nothing i think | He said we've learned nothing I. think, | he said, we've learned nothing. i think, well... |
Exactly. I remember that... | exactly i remember | Exactly I remember | exactly. i remember that... |
I was taken when I looked at the images in your film at how modern they were in that sense, and how they reminded me of Picasso. | i, was taken when i looked at the images in. your film at how modern they were in. that sense, and how they reminded, me of | I was taken when I looked at the images in your film at how modern they were in that sense and; how, they reminded me of | i was taken when i looked at the images in your film at how modern they were in that sense, and how they reminded me of picasso. |
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At the same time, you know, I actually began one of my books with another piece of art in a cave, in a German cave, that figurine... | at the same time you know i actually, began one of my books with another piece of art in a cave in a german cave that | At the same time you know, I actually began one of my books with, another piece of art in a cave in a German cave that | at the same time, you know, i actually began one of my books with another piece of art in a cave, in a german cave, that figurine... |
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...that's even older, I think. | ...that's even older i | ...that's even older. I | ...that's even older, i think. |
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. The Venus of Willendorf. Yeah. | . the venus of willendorf | . The Venus of Willendorf | . the venus of willendorf. yeah. |
And - yeah. With the head of a lion and the body of a man. That's the one I'm thinking of. | and - yeah with the head of a lion and the body of a man that's the one i'm thinking | And - yeah With the. head of a lion and the body of a man That's the one I'm thinking | and - yeah. with the head of a lion and the body of a man. that's the one i'm thinking of. |
That's different. That's different. | that's different that's | That's different That's | that's different. that's different. |
I know that it's a different one. It's not Venus. It's actually a male, apparently a male, a lion head in the human body. | i know that it's a different one it's not venus it's actually a male, apparently a, male a lion head in the human | I know that it's a different one It's not Venus It's. actually a male apparently a male a, lion head in the human | i know that it's a different one. it's not venus. it's actually a male, apparently a male, a lion head in the human body. |
And I wonder what - why did they produce that? And it seemed to me that, at some point, it's - one of the possibilities is that it's a person saying, look, there are lions and there are people here. So maybe somewhere else - maybe somewhere over the rainbow, somewhere - is a place where there are lion people. And to me that's the kind of speculation that fuels science... | and i wonder what - why did; they produce that? and it seemed to me that at some point it's - one of the possibilities is that it's a person saying look there are lions and there are people here so maybe somewhere else - maybe somewhere over the rainbow. somewhere - is a place where. there are lion people, and to me that's the kind of speculation that fuels | And, I wonder what - why did they, produce that? And it seemed to me. that. at some point it's, - one of the possibilities is that it's a person saying look there are lions and there are people here So maybe somewhere. else - maybe somewhere over the rainbow. somewhere - is a place where there are lion people, And to me that's, the; kind of speculation that fuels | and i wonder what - why did they produce that? and it seemed to me that, at some point, it's - one of the possibilities is that it's a person saying, look, there are lions and there are people here. so maybe somewhere else - maybe somewhere over the rainbow, somewhere - is a place where there are lion people. and to me that's the kind of speculation that fuels science... |
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...which is to ask, what are the possibilities? | ...which is to ask what are the | ...which is to ask what are the | ...which is to ask, what are the possibilities? |
Some of the paintings overlap between animals and other figures. | some of the paintings overlap between animals and. other | Some of the paintings overlap between animals and other | some of the paintings overlap between animals and other figures. |
Well, I have to jump - gentlemen, I have to jump in here because we have to take a break. But we'll get back to this, talking with Werner Herzog, especially about his latest film, "Cave of Forgotten Dreams." That's what the images we're talking about there. Also with us is Cormac McCarthy and Lawrence Krauss. | well i have to jump - gentlemen, i have to, jump in here because we have to take a break but we'll get back to this talking with werner herzog especially about his latest film "cave of forgotten dreams" that's. what the images we're talking about there also with us is cormac, mccarthy and lawrence | Well, I have to jump - gentlemen I have to jump in here because we; have to take a break But we'll get, back to this talking with Werner Herzog especially, about his latest film. "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" That's what the images we're talking about there Also with us is Cormac McCarthy and Lawrence | well, i have to jump - gentlemen, i have to jump in here because we have to take a break. but we'll get back to this, talking with werner herzog, especially about his latest film, "cave of forgotten dreams." that's what the images we're talking about there. also with us is cormac mccarthy and lawrence krauss. |
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We're talking this hour about science, art and culture and the origins of it with my guests. Cormac McCarthy, novelist and playwright. His latest book is "The Road." He's won the Pulitzer Prize in 2007. Lawrence Krauss, a physicist and foundation professor and director of the Arizona State University Origins Project. And also Werner Herzog, who is a film director, producer and screenwriter. And we've been focusing in on his latest film, "Cave of Forgotten Dreams," which premieres this month. | we're talking this hour about science art and culture and the, origins of it with my guests cormac mccarthy novelist and playwright his latest book is "the road" he's won the pulitzer prize in 2007. lawrence krauss a physicist and foundation professor and director of, the, arizona state university, origins project and also, werner herzog who is a film director producer and screenwriter and we've been focusing in on his latest film "cave of forgotten dreams" which premieres this. | We're talking this hour, about science art and culture and the. origins, of it with, my guests Cormac McCarthy novelist and playwright. His latest book is "The Road" He's won, the Pulitzer Prize in 2007. Lawrence Krauss a physicist and foundation professor and director of, the Arizona State University Origins Project And also Werner Herzog who is a film director producer and screenwriter And we've been focusing in on his latest film "Cave. of Forgotten Dreams" which premieres this | we're talking this hour about science, art and culture and the origins of it with my guests. cormac mccarthy, novelist and playwright. his latest book is "the road." he's won the pulitzer prize in 2007. lawrence krauss, a physicist and foundation professor and director of the arizona state university origins project. and also werner herzog, who is a film director, producer and screenwriter. and we've been focusing in on his latest film, "cave of forgotten dreams," which premieres this month. |
And a synopsis of it, Werner, how would you - for people who are just tuning in, what would you say the film is? | and a synopsis of it werner how would you; - for people who are just tuning in what would you say the film, | And a synopsis of it Werner, how would. you - for people who are just. tuning in what would you say. the film | and a synopsis of it, werner, how would you - for people who are just tuning in, what would you say the film is? |
Well, it is looking into a deep abyss of time with a camera, going into the cave probably nobody will ever be allowed again because they - I think they will shut it down like Lascaux, the most famous so far because too many human beings in there left mold. The exhalation, the breath of humans, left a mold on the walls that cannot be controlled easily. So it's just a penetration into an abyss... | well it is looking into a deep abyss of time with a camera going into the cave probably nobody will ever be. allowed again because they - i think they will shut it down like lascaux the most famous so far because too many human beings in there left mold the exhalation the. breath, of humans left a mold on the walls that cannot be controlled easily so it's just a penetration into an | Well it is looking into a deep abyss of, time with a camera going into the cave. probably nobody will ever be allowed again because they - I think they will shut it down like Lascaux the most famous. so far because too many human beings in there left mold The exhalation the breath of humans left a mold on the walls that cannot, be controlled easily So it's. just a penetration into an | well, it is looking into a deep abyss of time with a camera, going into the cave probably nobody will ever be allowed again because they - i think they will shut it down like lascaux, the most famous so far because too many human beings in there left mold. the exhalation, the breath of humans, left a mold on the walls that cannot be controlled easily. so it's just a penetration into an abyss... |
You could visit them with naval rebreathers. | you could, visit, them with, naval | You could visit them with naval; | you could visit them with naval rebreathers. |
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And where is this - where are they located, the caves? | and where is this - where are they located the | And where is this - where are they located the | and where is this - where are they located, the caves? |
It's one cave with two branches. It is in the south of France, not very far from the Rhone River in the gorge of the Ardeche River. You have to check it out on a map... | it's one cave with two branches it is in the south of france not very far from the rhone river in the; gorge of the ardeche river you have, to check it out on a | It's one cave with two, branches It is in the south of France not very far, from the Rhone River in the gorge of the Ardeche River You have to, check it out on a | it's one cave with two branches. it is in the south of france, not very far from the rhone river in the gorge of the ardeche river. you have to check it out on a map... |
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...but it's Southern France. | ...but it's southern; | ...but it's Southern | ...but it's southern france. |
And they believe, from watching your film, that - they believe there may be more of these caves that are... | and they believe from. watching your film that - they believe there. may be more of these caves; that | And they believe from watching your film that - they believe there may be more of these caves that | and they believe, from watching your film, that - they believe there may be more of these caves that are... |
Well, we can speculate. Maybe, hopefully. It would be great. I don't know. | well we can speculate. maybe hopefully it would be great i don't | Well we can speculate Maybe hopefully It would be great I don't | well, we can speculate. maybe, hopefully. it would be great. i don't know. |
I want to play a little clip from your film. This clip is - describes the reaction of one of the scientists talking about his experience in this magnificent cave. | i, want to, play a little. clip from your film this clip is - describes the reaction of one of the scientists talking about his experience in this magnificent | I want to play a little clip from your film This clip is - describes the reaction, of one. of the scientists talking about his experience in this magnificent | i want to play a little clip from your film. this clip is - describes the reaction of one of the scientists talking about his experience in this magnificent cave. |
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It was the first time I entered to film a cave. It's a chance to get in during five days, and it was so powerful. Then every night, I was dreaming of lions, and every day was the same shock for me. It was an emotional shock. I mean, I'm a scientist, but a human too. And after five days, I decided not to go back in the cave because I needed time just to relax and take time to... | it was the first time i entered to film a cave it's a chance to get in during five days and it was so powerful then every night i was dreaming of lions and, every day was the same shock for me it was an emotional. shock i mean i'm. a scientist but a human too and after five days i decided not to go back in the cave because i needed time just to relax and take, time | It was the first time I entered to film a cave It's a chance to, get in during five days and it was so powerful Then every night I was, dreaming of lions and every day was the same shock for me It was an emotional shock I mean I'm a scientist. but, a human. too And after five days I decided not to go back in. the cave because I needed time just to relax and; take time | it was the first time i entered to film a cave. it's a chance to get in during five days, and it was so powerful. then every night, i was dreaming of lions, and every day was the same shock for me. it was an emotional shock. i mean, i'm a scientist, but a human too. and after five days, i decided not to go back in the cave because i needed time just to relax and take time to... |
To absorb it? | to absorb | To absorb | to absorb it? |
...to absorb it. Yeah. | ...to absorb it | ...to. absorb it | ...to absorb it. yeah. |
Wow. Werner, who was that scientist? | wow werner who was that | Wow Werner. who was. that | wow. werner, who was that scientist? |
It would be interesting indeed. | it would be interesting | It would be interesting | it would be interesting indeed. |
But the trouble is, to get the government to fund another accelerator, if we say, we did this and we found nothing, isn't that exciting? It might be a hard sell. | but the trouble is to get the government to fund. another accelerator, if we say we did this and we found nothing isn't that exciting? it; might. be a hard | But the trouble is to get the. government; to fund another accelerator if we say, we did this. and we found nothing isn't that exciting? It might be a hard | but the trouble is, to get the government to fund another accelerator, if we say, we did this and we found nothing, isn't that exciting? it might be a hard sell. |
Ailsa Chang, NPR News, the Capitol. | ailsa chang npr news the | Ailsa Chang, NPR News the, | ailsa chang, npr news, the capitol. |
Well, a younger generation archaeologist who was very fascinating because he started his career as a circus man. And I immediately asked him, a lion tamer? No. He was a juggler in a unicycle. But very, very fascinating people there. And what is so fascinating that it looks as if an entire world was articulated and almost invented because the animals, they look realistic and yet they looked like an invention, something - a figment of our own fantasies. | well a younger generation archaeologist who was very fascinating because he started his career as a; circus man and i immediately asked him a lion tamer? no he was a juggler in a unicycle but very very fascinating people there and what is so fascinating that it looks as if an entire world was articulated and almost invented because the animals they look realistic and yet they looked, like. an invention something - a figment of our own | Well a younger generation archaeologist who was very fascinating because he started; his career as a circus man And I immediately asked him a lion tamer? No He was a juggler in a unicycle But very very fascinating people there And what is, so fascinating that it, looks as if an entire world was articulated and almost invented because the animals they look realistic and yet they looked like an invention something - a figment of our own | well, a younger generation archaeologist who was very fascinating because he started his career as a circus man. and i immediately asked him, a lion tamer? no. he was a juggler in a unicycle. but very, very fascinating people there. and what is so fascinating that it looks as if an entire world was articulated and almost invented because the animals, they look realistic and yet they looked like an invention, something - a figment of our own fantasies. |
And the same thing - and I would like to shift a little bit to Cormac's work because he invents entire landscapes. He invents horses in a way we have never seen - heard them being described. By dint of declaration, Cormac McCarthy creates a whole landscape that has been unknown to all of us, even though it seems to exist like, let's say, Faulkner and others invented and described the Deep South; someone like Joseph Conrad describes the Congo and the jungle and the mysteries. | and the. same thing - and i would like to shift a little bit to cormac's work because, he invents entire landscapes he invents horses in a way we have never seen - heard them being described by dint of declaration cormac mccarthy creates a whole landscape that has been unknown to all of. us even though it seems, to exist, like let's say faulkner and others invented and described the deep south someone like joseph conrad describes the congo and. the jungle and the | And the same thing - and I, would, like to shift a, little bit to Cormac's work because he invents entire landscapes, He invents horses in a way we have never; seen - heard them being described By dint of declaration Cormac McCarthy creates a whole landscape that has been unknown to all of us even though it seems to exist like let's say Faulkner and others. invented and described, the, Deep South someone like Joseph Conrad describes the Congo and the, jungle and the | and the same thing - and i would like to shift a little bit to cormac's work because he invents entire landscapes. he invents horses in a way we have never seen - heard them being described. by dint of declaration, cormac mccarthy creates a whole landscape that has been unknown to all of us, even though it seems to exist like, let's say, faulkner and others invented and described the deep south; someone like joseph conrad describes the congo and the jungle and the mysteries. |
And so all of us suddenly have literature here, which is not unprecedented because we have something of the caliber of your writing. We see it, for example, in the last two pages of "Moby Dick," Melville. We see it in the best of Faulkner. We see it in the best of my great favorite writer of the 20th century who wrote, for example, "Typhoon," "The Nigger of the Narcissus." | and so all of us suddenly have literature here which is not unprecedented because we have something, of the caliber of your writing we see it for example in the last two pages of "moby dick" melville we see it in the best of faulkner we see it in. the best of my great favorite writer of the; 20th century who wrote for example "typhoon" "the nigger of the | And so all of us suddenly have literature here which is not unprecedented because we; have something of the caliber of your writing We see it for example in the last two pages of, "Moby Dick" Melville, We see it in the best of Faulkner We see it in the best of my great favorite writer of; the 20th. century, who wrote for example "Typhoon" "The Nigger of the. | and so all of us suddenly have literature here, which is not unprecedented because we have something of the caliber of your writing. we see it, for example, in the last two pages of "moby dick," melville. we see it in the best of faulkner. we see it in the best of my great favorite writer of the 20th century who wrote, for example, "typhoon," "the nigger of the narcissus." |
Conrad. | conrad. |
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Of course, Joseph Conrad, whose language, originally, wasn't even English, such a great stylist. And for decades, we have not seen literature and prose and style that you are writing, period. | of course joseph. conrad whose language originally wasn't even english such a, great, stylist and for decades. we, have. not seen. literature and prose and style that you are writing. | Of course Joseph Conrad whose language originally wasn't even English, such a great stylist And; for decades, we, have not seen literature and prose and style. that you are writing | of course, joseph conrad, whose language, originally, wasn't even english, such a great stylist. and for decades, we have not seen literature and prose and style that you are writing, period. |
Well, you're very complimentary. I don't know. I was thinking this morning about, I have to reread Faulkner's story, "Spotted Horses," because it occurs to me that what is so engaging about that tale is just the sheer exuberance and exaggeration of it. I mean, these mad, wild horses that have gotten loose from the barn and are running across the countryside and one crosses a bridge and it meets a wagon coming the other way. And I think he describes it as scrambling along the single tree like a squirrel. Well now, that's not really quite possible, but it's just very fetching. | well you're very complimentary i don't know. i was thinking this morning about i have to reread faulkner's story "spotted, horses" because it occurs to me that what is so engaging about that tale is, just the. sheer exuberance and exaggeration of it i mean these mad wild horses that have gotten loose from the barn, and are running across the countryside and one crosses a bridge and it meets a wagon coming the other way; and i think he describes it as scrambling along the single tree like a squirrel well, now that's not really. quite possible but it's just very | Well. you're very complimentary I don't know I was thinking this, morning about I have to reread Faulkner's story "Spotted Horses" because. it occurs to me that. what is so engaging about that tale is just, the sheer, exuberance and exaggeration of it I mean these mad, wild horses that have gotten loose, from the barn, and are, running. across the countryside and one crosses a bridge, and it meets a wagon coming the other way And I think he describes it as scrambling along the single tree like a squirrel Well now that's not really. quite; possible but it's, just very | well, you're very complimentary. i don't know. i was thinking this morning about, i have to reread faulkner's story, "spotted horses," because it occurs to me that what is so engaging about that tale is just the sheer exuberance and exaggeration of it. i mean, these mad, wild horses that have gotten loose from the barn and are running across the countryside and one crosses a bridge and it meets a wagon coming the other way. and i think he describes it as scrambling along the single tree like a squirrel. well now, that's not really quite possible, but it's just very fetching. |
Spotted horses, these were horses from the Southwest. I don't know how far back spotted horses go. I know that one of the famous depictions in the caves is at Pech Merle. There are two spotted horses and their - some of the spots are gray and some are red, but they're just extraordinary. And the strange thing about them, as you think about the hands-on experience of making these paintings, those dots, the spots on the horses were made with fingertips. | spotted horses these were horses from the southwest, i don't know, how far back spotted horses go i know that one of the famous. depictions in the. caves is, at pech. merle there are two spotted horses and their - some of the, spots are gray and, some are red but they're just extraordinary and the strange thing about, them as you think about the hands-on experience of. making. these paintings those dots the spots on the horses were made with | Spotted horses these were horses from the Southwest I don't know how far, back spotted horses go I know that one of the famous depictions. in the, caves is at Pech Merle There. are two spotted horses and their - some of the spots are gray and, some are red but they're just extraordinary And the strange thing about them as you think about the hands-on experience of making these paintings those dots the spots on the horses were made with | spotted horses, these were horses from the southwest. i don't know how far back spotted horses go. i know that one of the famous depictions in the caves is at pech merle. there are two spotted horses and their - some of the spots are gray and some are red, but they're just extraordinary. and the strange thing about them, as you think about the hands-on experience of making these paintings, those dots, the spots on the horses were made with fingertips. |
Yeah. Yes. | yeah | Yeah, | yeah. yes. |
You can see the whirls of the fingers in the paint. I don't know what that's about. That's - it's just very interesting. | you can see the. whirls of the fingers in the paint i don't know what that's about that's - it's just very | You can see the whirls of the fingers in the paint I don't know what that's about That's; - it's just very | you can see the whirls of the fingers in the paint. i don't know what that's about. that's - it's just very interesting. |
You know, as you try and speculate on this, the imaginary world that you create - the real world that you documented... | you know as you try. and speculate on this the imaginary world that you create, - the real world that you | You know as you try. and speculate on this the imaginary world that you create - the real world, that you | you know, as you try and speculate on this, the imaginary world that you create - the real world that you documented... |
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But it is related to a real world, but there's a force of declaration. | but it is related to a real world, but. there's a, force of | But, it is related to a real world but there's a force of | but it is related to a real world, but there's a force of declaration. |
But I can... | but i | But I | but i can... |
A dent of declaration. All of the sudden, it comes into existence as a piece of language. | a; dent, of declaration all of the, sudden it comes into existence as, a piece of | A dent of declaration All of the sudden it comes. into existence. as a piece of | a dent of declaration. all of the sudden, it comes into existence as a piece of language. |
But there is a similarity, and I really related to what that scientist was saying. In some sense, you know, he was - when one - what you don't realize is, sometimes, when you try and confront the real world, as a scientist, it's terrifying because it forces you to throw away a lot of things you believe. And sometimes, you have to go away from it. And I think - that's what I mean. I think the convergence of science and art in the sense that if -that what that science was saying is confronted with the reality of those caves (unintelligible). It was difficult for him to deal with. | but there is a similarity and i really related to what that scientist was saying in some sense you know he was - when one - what you, don't realize. is sometimes when. you try and confront the real world as a scientist it's. terrifying because it forces you to throw away a lot of things you believe and sometimes you have to go, away from it and i think - that's what i mean i think the convergence of science and art in the sense that if -that what that. science was saying is confronted with the reality of those caves (unintelligible). it was. difficult for him to deal | But there is a. similarity and I really related to what that scientist was saying In some sense you know he was - when one - what you don't realize is sometimes when you try and confront the real world as a scientist it's terrifying because, it forces you to throw away a lot of things you believe And sometimes you have to go away. from it And I think - that's what I mean I think the convergence of science and art in the sense. that if -that what that science was saying is confronted with the reality of those caves (unintelligible). It was difficult for him to deal | but there is a similarity, and i really related to what that scientist was saying. in some sense, you know, he was - when one - what you don't realize is, sometimes, when you try and confront the real world, as a scientist, it's terrifying because it forces you to throw away a lot of things you believe. and sometimes, you have to go away from it. and i think - that's what i mean. i think the convergence of science and art in the sense that if -that what that science was saying is confronted with the reality of those caves (unintelligible). it was difficult for him to deal with. |
And I - and even as a theoretical physicist, sometimes just alone at night, confronted with the possibility that the real universe might actually correspond to something you're thinking about is terrifying. And I think there's... | and i - and even as a theoretical physicist sometimes just, alone at night confronted with the possibility that the real universe might actually correspond to something you're thinking about is terrifying and i think | And I - and even as a theoretical physicist sometimes just alone at night confronted with. the possibility that the real universe might actually; correspond to something you're thinking about is terrifying And I; think | and i - and even as a theoretical physicist, sometimes just alone at night, confronted with the possibility that the real universe might actually correspond to something you're thinking about is terrifying. and i think there's... |
And, of course, it is, because it's not friendly just be - imagined to be being sucked into a black hole or even landing on the sun, which looks so benign and beautiful, and there's hundreds of thousands of atomic explosions boiling every second. | and of course, it is because it's not friendly just be - imagined to be being sucked into. a black hole or, even landing on, the sun which looks so benign and beautiful and there's hundreds of thousands of atomic explosions boiling every | And of course it is because it's not; friendly just be - imagined; to be being sucked into a black hole or even landing on the sun which looks so benign and beautiful and there's hundreds of thousands of atomic explosions boiling every | and, of course, it is, because it's not friendly just be - imagined to be being sucked into a black hole or even landing on the sun, which looks so benign and beautiful, and there's hundreds of thousands of atomic explosions boiling every second. |
And in some ways, we have to realize that, yet, once again, we have to confront our own, in some sense, an unfriendly universe potentially, but also our own insignificance in a cosmic sense, and what significance we make of ourselves. To me, part of it is our ability to - this amazing gift we have to appreciate the universe and imagine it not just as it is but as it might be in order to understand ourselves better. That's why I find this connection. | and in some ways, we have to realize that yet once again we have to confront our own in some sense an. unfriendly universe potentially but also; our own insignificance in a cosmic sense and what significance we, make of ourselves to me; part of. it is our ability to - this amazing gift we have to appreciate the universe and. imagine it not just. as it is but as it might be in order to understand ourselves better that's why. i find, this | And in some ways we. have to realize, that yet once again we have to confront our own in some, sense an unfriendly, universe potentially but also our own insignificance in a cosmic sense and what significance we make of ourselves To me. part of it is our ability to - this amazing gift we have to appreciate the universe and, imagine it not just as it is but as it might be in order, to understand ourselves better That's, why I find this | and in some ways, we have to realize that, yet, once again, we have to confront our own, in some sense, an unfriendly universe potentially, but also our own insignificance in a cosmic sense, and what significance we make of ourselves. to me, part of it is our ability to - this amazing gift we have to appreciate the universe and imagine it not just as it is but as it might be in order to understand ourselves better. that's why i find this connection. |
But Cormac gives the universe, and the universe that he describes, in this case, the border area between Texas and Mexico. And I'd like just to read one passage because - from "All the Pretty Horses." I can't help it because it's so beautiful. | but cormac gives the universe, and the. universe that he describes in this case the border area between texas and mexico and i'd like; just, to, read one passage because - from "all the pretty horses" i, can't help it because it's so | But Cormac, gives the universe and the universe that he describes in this case the border area between Texas and, Mexico, And I'd like just to, read one passage because - from "All; the, Pretty Horses" I can't help it because it's so | but cormac gives the universe, and the universe that he describes, in this case, the border area between texas and mexico. and i'd like just to read one passage because - from "all the pretty horses." i can't help it because it's so beautiful. |
Good idea. | good | Good | good idea. |
And the leading character, John Grady, at the end witnesses the funeral of his - of an old Mexican lady who raised the family. He stood hat in hand over the unmarked Earth, this woman who had worked for his family 50 years. She had cared for his mother as a baby, and she had worked for his family long before his mother was born. | and the leading character john, grady at the end witnesses the funeral of his - of. an, old mexican lady who raised the family he stood hat in hand over. the unmarked earth this woman who had worked for his family, 50 years she had cared for his mother as a baby and she had worked for his family long before his mother was | And the leading character John Grady at the end witnesses the. funeral of his - of an old Mexican lady who raised the family He stood hat in hand over the, unmarked Earth this, woman who had worked for his, family 50 years She had cared for his mother as a baby and she had worked for his family long before his mother was | and the leading character, john grady, at the end witnesses the funeral of his - of an old mexican lady who raised the family. he stood hat in hand over the unmarked earth, this woman who had worked for his family 50 years. she had cared for his mother as a baby, and she had worked for his family long before his mother was born. |
And she had known and cared for the wild Grady boys who were his mother's (unintelligible) and who had all died so long ago. And he stood holding his hat. And he called her his abuela, and he said goodbye to her in Spanish, and then turned and put his hat and turned his wet face to the wind. And for a moment, he held out his hands as if to steady himself, as if to bless the ground there or, perhaps, as if to slow the world that was rushing away and seemed to care nothing for the old and the young, or rich or poor, or dark or pale, or he or she, nothing for their struggles, nothing for their names, nothing for the living or the dead. | and, she had known and, cared for the wild grady boys who were his. mother's (unintelligible) and who had all died so long ago and he stood holding his hat and he called her his abuela and, he, said goodbye to her in spanish and then turned and put his hat and turned his wet face to the wind and for a moment he, held out his hands as if to steady himself as if to bless the ground there or perhaps as. if to, slow, the world that was. rushing away and seemed to care nothing. for the old and the. young or rich or. poor or dark or pale or he or she nothing for their struggles nothing. for their names nothing for. the living or the | And she. had known and cared for the wild Grady boys who were his mother's (unintelligible) and who had all died so long ago And he stood holding his. hat, And. he called her his abuela, and, he said goodbye. to her. in Spanish and then turned and put his hat, and turned his wet face, to the wind And for a moment he held out his hands as if to steady himself as if to bless the ground there or perhaps as if to slow the world that was, rushing away and seemed, to care nothing for the old and the young or rich or poor or dark or pale or he, or she nothing for their struggles nothing for their names nothing for the living or the | and she had known and cared for the wild grady boys who were his mother's (unintelligible) and who had all died so long ago. and he stood holding his hat. and he called her his abuela, and he said goodbye to her in spanish, and then turned and put his hat and turned his wet face to the wind. and for a moment, he held out his hands as if to steady himself, as if to bless the ground there or, perhaps, as if to slow the world that was rushing away and seemed to care nothing for the old and the young, or rich or poor, or dark or pale, or he or she, nothing for their struggles, nothing for their names, nothing for the living or the dead. |
In four days riding, he crossed the Pecos at Iraan, Texas, and rode up to the river breaks, where the pumpjacks in the Yates Field ranged against the skyline rows and dipped like mechanical birds, like great primitive birds welded up out of iron by hearsay, by hearsay - listen to that - by hearsay in a land, perhaps, where such birds once had been. | in four days riding he crossed the pecos at iraan texas and rode up to the river breaks where the, pumpjacks in the yates field ranged against the skyline rows and dipped like mechanical birds like great primitive birds welded up out of iron by hearsay by hearsay - listen to that - by hearsay. in a land. perhaps where such birds once, had | In four days riding he crossed the Pecos at Iraan Texas and rode up to the river breaks where the pumpjacks in the Yates Field ranged. against; the. skyline rows and dipped like mechanical birds like great primitive birds welded up out of iron by hearsay by, hearsay - listen to that - by hearsay in a land perhaps where such birds once had | in four days riding, he crossed the pecos at iraan, texas, and rode up to the river breaks, where the pumpjacks in the yates field ranged against the skyline rows and dipped like mechanical birds, like great primitive birds welded up out of iron by hearsay, by hearsay - listen to that - by hearsay in a land, perhaps, where such birds once had been. |
Good try, Matt. | good try. | Good try. | good try, matt. |
Thanks. | thanks. |
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It's just totally amazing. And then shortly - later, the desert he rode was red and red the dust he raised, the small dust that powered the legs of the horse he rode, the horse he led. In the evening, the wind came up and reddened all the sky before him. There were a few cattle in that country because it was barren country indeed. Yet he came at evening upon a solitary bull rolling in the dust against the blood-red sunset, like an animal in sacrificial torment. | it's just totally amazing and then shortly - later the desert he rode was red and red the dust, he raised the small dust that. powered the. legs of the horse he rode the horse he led in. the evening the wind came, up and reddened all, the sky before him there were a few cattle in that country because it was barren country indeed yet he came at evening, upon a solitary bull rolling in the dust against the blood-red sunset like an animal in sacrificial | It's just totally amazing And. then shortly - later the desert he rode was red and red the dust he raised the small dust that powered, the legs of, the horse he rode the horse he led In the evening the wind came, up, and. reddened all. the sky before him There, were a few cattle in that country because it was barren country indeed Yet. he came at evening upon a solitary bull rolling. in the dust against the blood-red sunset like, an animal in sacrificial | it's just totally amazing. and then shortly - later, the desert he rode was red and red the dust he raised, the small dust that powered the legs of the horse he rode, the horse he led. in the evening, the wind came up and reddened all the sky before him. there were a few cattle in that country because it was barren country indeed. yet he came at evening upon a solitary bull rolling in the dust against the blood-red sunset, like an animal in sacrificial torment. |
Well, I have to say... | well i have to, | Well I have to | well, i have to say... |
So... | so... |
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I have to say... | i; have to | I have to | i have to say... |
I think we've set a landmark here. Werner Herzog reading Corman(ph) McCarthy Cormac McCarthy. | i think we've set a landmark here werner herzog reading corman(ph) mccarthy cormac | I think we've set, a landmark here Werner Herzog reading Corman(ph) McCarthy Cormac | i think we've set a landmark here. werner herzog reading corman(ph) mccarthy cormac mccarthy. |
I just want to say that was the purpose of my event, was to bring Werner to read Cormac. It's amazing. | i just want to say that was the purpose. of my, event was to bring, werner to read cormac it's | I just. want to say that was the purpose of my event was to bring Werner to read, Cormac It's | i just want to say that was the purpose of my event, was to bring werner to read cormac. it's amazing. |
It cannot get any better and, for decades, we have not had this language in American literature. | it cannot get. any better and for, decades. we have not had this language in american | It cannot get any better and for decades we have not had this language in American | it cannot get any better and, for decades, we have not had this language in american literature. |
Well, thank you. You're very kind. I think we should pick on Lawrence, not just because it's his book. | well thank you you're very kind i think we should pick on lawrence not just because it's his, | Well thank you You're very; kind I think we. should pick on Lawrence. not just because it's his | well, thank you. you're very kind. i think we should pick on lawrence, not just because it's his book. |
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Well, let me... | well let | Well let | well, let me... |
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And I have to say, it's just very, very good. It's - what you -it's supposedly a biography of Richard Feynman, but it's not that at all. It's a story of Feynman's science, particularly QED. It picks up at the beginning in high school and takes you through not so much Feynman as what he did, and it's just very, very well done. | and i have to say it's just very very good it's - what you -it's supposedly a biography of richard feynman but it's not that at all it's a story of feynman's science particularly. qed it picks up. at the beginning in high school and takes you through not so much feynman as what he did; and it's just very, very well | And I have to say it's just, very very good It's; - what you -it's supposedly a biography of Richard Feynman but it's. not that at all, It's a story, of Feynman's science particularly QED It, picks up at the, beginning in. high. school and takes you through not. so much Feynman as what he did and it's just very very well | and i have to say, it's just very, very good. it's - what you -it's supposedly a biography of richard feynman, but it's not that at all. it's a story of feynman's science, particularly qed. it picks up at the beginning in high school and takes you through not so much feynman as what he did, and it's just very, very well done. |
Cormac, have you ever - being there at the Santa Fe Institute, do you ever, with your great facility with the English language, find yourself turning some of those research papers into better ones before they're published? | cormac have you ever - being there at the, santa fe institute. do you ever with your great facility with the, english. language find yourself turning some of those. research papers into better ones before they're | Cormac have you ever - being there at. the Santa Fe Institute do you ever, with your great facility with the English language find, yourself turning. some of those research papers. into better ones before they're | cormac, have you ever - being there at the santa fe institute, do you ever, with your great facility with the english language, find yourself turning some of those research papers into better ones before they're published? |
Oh, I do. I fight with them all the time. I say you have to you have to give rid of these exclamation points and these semicolons. I won't speak to you until you do. | oh i. do i fight with them all the time i say you have to, you have to give rid of these, exclamation, points and these semicolons i won't speak to you until you | Oh I do I fight with them all the time I say you have to you have to give rid, of these exclamation points and these semicolons I won't speak to you. until you | oh, i do. i fight with them all the time. i say you have to you have to give rid of these exclamation points and these semicolons. i won't speak to you until you do. |
I have to say that's Cormac - we have spoken in phone about my book and he said, I've got it and I - there are some suggestions I want to make for the next edition, but you have to get rid of all your exclamation marks. | i have to say that's, cormac - we have spoken in phone about my book and he said i've got it, and i - there are some suggestions i want to make for, the next edition, but you. have to get rid of all your exclamation. | I have to say that's Cormac - we have spoken in phone about, my book and he said I've got it and I - there are some suggestions, I want to make for the next edition but you have to get rid of all your exclamation | i have to say that's cormac - we have spoken in phone about my book and he said, i've got it and i - there are some suggestions i want to make for the next edition, but you have to get rid of all your exclamation marks. |
But Cormac... | but | But | but cormac... |
Let me just, let me just jump in and... | let me just let me just jump. in | Let me just let me just. jump in. | let me just, let me just jump in and... |
...I think from either side we go - we should go straight at Lawrence's jugular because... | ...i think. from either side we, go - we, should go straight at lawrence's jugular, | ...I think from either side we go, - we should go straight at Lawrence's jugular. | ...i think from either side we go - we should go straight at lawrence's jugular because... |
Oh, great. | oh | Oh | oh, great. |
...because only two days ago, a day ago, there was reports of a mysterious finding, possibly even a new form of force in the universe and we just want to know what do you think about it. | ...because only two days ago a day ago there was reports, of a mysterious finding possibly even a new form of force in the universe and we just want to know. what do you think about | ...because only two, days ago, a day ago, there was reports of a mysterious finding possibly even a new form of force in the universe and we just want to know what do you think about | ...because only two days ago, a day ago, there was reports of a mysterious finding, possibly even a new form of force in the universe and we just want to know what do you think about it. |
Well, can you describe it? | well can you describe | Well, can you describe | well, can you describe it? |
Lawrence, Lawrence, let me just jump in here and remind everybody that this is SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR. I'm Ira Flatow with Lawrence Krauss, Cormac McCarthy and Werner Herzog. | lawrence lawrence. let me just jump in here, and, remind everybody that this is science friday from npr i'm ira flatow with lawrence krauss cormac mccarthy and werner | Lawrence Lawrence let me just jump in here and remind everybody that this is SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR I'm Ira Flatow with Lawrence Krauss Cormac McCarthy and Werner | lawrence, lawrence, let me just jump in here and remind everybody that this is science friday from npr. i'm ira flatow with lawrence krauss, cormac mccarthy and werner herzog. |
Lawrence, do you want to fill us in on that? | lawrence do you want to fill us in on | Lawrence do you want to fill us in on | lawrence, do you want to fill us in on that? |
Well, it's a fascinating, a tantalizing bump seen at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory - a statistical bump... | well it's a fascinating a tantalizing, bump seen at the, fermi national. accelerator laboratory - a statistical | Well it's. a, fascinating a tantalizing bump, seen at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory - a statistical | well, it's a fascinating, a tantalizing bump seen at the fermi national accelerator laboratory - a statistical bump... |
Statistical bump. Yes. | statistical, bump | Statistical bump | statistical bump. yes. |
...and I suspect - and if it's true, it means much of what we think about the fundamental force of nature is wrong, which is probably not true, and we were just talking about that before. | ...and, i suspect - and if it's true it means much of what we think about the, fundamental force of nature is wrong which is. probably not true and we were just talking about that | ...and I, suspect - and if it's true it means much of what we think about the fundamental force of nature is wrong which is probably not true and we were just talking about that | ...and i suspect - and if it's true, it means much of what we think about the fundamental force of nature is wrong, which is probably not true, and we were just talking about that before. |
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