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zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ob9w0 | j1nsrab | 1,672,018,934 | 1,672,009,333 | 2 | 0 | I always found that if I retyped the entire thing I discovered ways to improve it in almost every paragraph. If I just read it I didn't recognize most of these potential improvements. | For first drafts of novels, it is highly unlikely that the only thing (or even the main thing) in need of improvement is prose. Structure, order of events, length, pacing, right number of characters -- if you think you got all of these right the first time, you're probably wrong. Although there's no such thing as an 'objective' best way to do something, I notice that it's typically amateur writers who say, "All I need to do for my second draft is tighten up the writing," while it's professional writers who say, "Time to take my first draft apart with a wrench and rearrange the nuts and bolts." All that to say, second drafts are often the hardest and most confusing. Moving around scenes and chapters, adding new characters, combining redundant characters... it gets messy. This is usually where the most significant changes happen, and the actual writing itself isn't of concern yet; why meticulously wordsmith a chapter that could be deleted? I'm of the opinion that "All that's left is to polish the prose" happens at the third draft stage or later. In practice, I think these stages of editing really tend to blur together, but the point is that it's best to work on the big picture before getting granular. For short stories, though, it might be even blurrier than usual. You’re juggling a lot less. The structural edits, if any, will probably be less unwieldy. | 1 | 9,601 | 2,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nvlad | j1ob9w0 | 1,672,010,754 | 1,672,018,934 | 0 | 2 | If your manuscript is a sculpture your first draft is the ball of clay. Then you add the more intricate details as you go. IMO My first drafts are absolutely feral. Then I go through and edit them down a chapter at a time. Add details, nuances, give depth to the characters etc. | I always found that if I retyped the entire thing I discovered ways to improve it in almost every paragraph. If I just read it I didn't recognize most of these potential improvements. | 0 | 8,180 | 2,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ob9w0 | j1nzxhe | 1,672,018,934 | 1,672,012,929 | 2 | 0 | I always found that if I retyped the entire thing I discovered ways to improve it in almost every paragraph. If I just read it I didn't recognize most of these potential improvements. | Read your work. Edit what doesn’t work. Rewrite what is really bad. When you finish, that’s your second draft. Do that until it doesn’t suck or you give up. | 1 | 6,005 | 2,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ob9w0 | j1o0iq2 | 1,672,018,934 | 1,672,013,228 | 2 | 0 | I always found that if I retyped the entire thing I discovered ways to improve it in almost every paragraph. If I just read it I didn't recognize most of these potential improvements. | going over the 1st draft and trimming the fat. Also adjusting the flow and tempo to your liking. | 1 | 5,706 | 2,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o2bsj | j1ob9w0 | 1,672,014,152 | 1,672,018,934 | 1 | 2 | Everyone has a different process. Also, everyone's 1st draft looks differently - some are more messy and incomplete, and some are closer to an actual novel / short story shape. The only reasonable approach I saw was go through changes from big to small. I.e. overarching story changes first, fixing commas last. A video that helped me with realizing that from big to small approach makes the most sense. | I always found that if I retyped the entire thing I discovered ways to improve it in almost every paragraph. If I just read it I didn't recognize most of these potential improvements. | 0 | 4,782 | 2 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ob9w0 | j1o6fv1 | 1,672,018,934 | 1,672,016,303 | 2 | 1 | I always found that if I retyped the entire thing I discovered ways to improve it in almost every paragraph. If I just read it I didn't recognize most of these potential improvements. | Personally, as much as it is a LOT more work, I think that rewriting from scratch (with the first draft either side by side or nearby for reference) is always going to make it stronger. You automatically polish, can fix structural stuff, and strengthen your prose which might have been rushed initially. | 1 | 2,631 | 2 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1n9jyq | j1n5xg7 | 1,672,000,035 | 1,671,998,341 | 1 | 0 | Depends on how you write, honestly. My second draft is typically a content pass. This means going through and moving, adding, removing or changing core plot elements. I'm a pantser and I write without outlines so my first draft is usually a bit messy in that respect. | Some people who whole rewrites. I suspect it's more common to do big edits and revise/restructure after the first draft. | 1 | 1,694 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1n5xg7 | j1o2bsj | 1,671,998,341 | 1,672,014,152 | 0 | 1 | Some people who whole rewrites. I suspect it's more common to do big edits and revise/restructure after the first draft. | Everyone has a different process. Also, everyone's 1st draft looks differently - some are more messy and incomplete, and some are closer to an actual novel / short story shape. The only reasonable approach I saw was go through changes from big to small. I.e. overarching story changes first, fixing commas last. A video that helped me with realizing that from big to small approach makes the most sense. | 0 | 15,811 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o6fv1 | j1n5xg7 | 1,672,016,303 | 1,671,998,341 | 1 | 0 | Personally, as much as it is a LOT more work, I think that rewriting from scratch (with the first draft either side by side or nearby for reference) is always going to make it stronger. You automatically polish, can fix structural stuff, and strengthen your prose which might have been rushed initially. | Some people who whole rewrites. I suspect it's more common to do big edits and revise/restructure after the first draft. | 1 | 17,962 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1oj5ee | j1n5xg7 | 1,672,023,246 | 1,671,998,341 | 1 | 0 | Everyone has their own definition of what a first and second draft means. IMO the second draft is dedicated to fleshing out the story properly. I'm making sure that all the scenes that are in there are appropriately written, the characters satisfy their character arcs, I am focusing a lot on the consistency of the story, checking for any literary elements that I may want to add or were missed, etc. I'm not looking to do any major edits honestly, unless absolutely necessary due to a sudden epiphany. After the 2nd draft, 3rd draft is mostly for grammar and basic edits. | Some people who whole rewrites. I suspect it's more common to do big edits and revise/restructure after the first draft. | 1 | 24,905 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ok3k0 | j1n5xg7 | 1,672,023,778 | 1,671,998,341 | 1 | 0 | For a short story usually it's line edits and small plot polishes for me. You're editing what is needed so it's different per story. For novels? Draft 1: Chaos. I don't plan. I just write. Draft 2. I add order to chaos. This is usually a do over where I drop in specific scenes and paragraphs that remain functional to the story that now has a timeline. The difference in an outline and a timeline is purely psychological. Draft 3. Refining draft 2z adding scenes I missed, removing scenes no one will miss. Draft 4. Line edits and grammar. Draft 5? Usually doesn't happen but is more of the draft 4 treatment if needed. | Some people who whole rewrites. I suspect it's more common to do big edits and revise/restructure after the first draft. | 1 | 25,437 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otr2q | j1n5xg7 | 1,672,029,292 | 1,671,998,341 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | Some people who whole rewrites. I suspect it's more common to do big edits and revise/restructure after the first draft. | 1 | 30,951 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otrg5 | j1n5xg7 | 1,672,029,298 | 1,671,998,341 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | Some people who whole rewrites. I suspect it's more common to do big edits and revise/restructure after the first draft. | 1 | 30,957 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1n5xg7 | j1ozhyl | 1,671,998,341 | 1,672,032,928 | 0 | 1 | Some people who whole rewrites. I suspect it's more common to do big edits and revise/restructure after the first draft. | One thing I do is line edit side by side for a new draft. I take the old doc and hold it up side to side with a fresh doc, and I write in the new doc, copying what's on the first and changing stuff as I go. I've found this to be very different for me compared to just editing an existing doc. My ideas flow more freely, my ability to evaluate language and improve it is stronger, and the end product is overall just better. | 0 | 34,587 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ncg34 | j1o2bsj | 1,672,001,384 | 1,672,014,152 | 0 | 1 | I am using The Fantasy Fiction Formula which has a 10 phase editing process. I edit in layers because trying to fix everything is daunting. So draft 2 I just fixed any plot holes. Another draft I made sure all my locations were described well. Etc. | Everyone has a different process. Also, everyone's 1st draft looks differently - some are more messy and incomplete, and some are closer to an actual novel / short story shape. The only reasonable approach I saw was go through changes from big to small. I.e. overarching story changes first, fixing commas last. A video that helped me with realizing that from big to small approach makes the most sense. | 0 | 12,768 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o6fv1 | j1ncg34 | 1,672,016,303 | 1,672,001,384 | 1 | 0 | Personally, as much as it is a LOT more work, I think that rewriting from scratch (with the first draft either side by side or nearby for reference) is always going to make it stronger. You automatically polish, can fix structural stuff, and strengthen your prose which might have been rushed initially. | I am using The Fantasy Fiction Formula which has a 10 phase editing process. I edit in layers because trying to fix everything is daunting. So draft 2 I just fixed any plot holes. Another draft I made sure all my locations were described well. Etc. | 1 | 14,919 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1oj5ee | j1ncg34 | 1,672,023,246 | 1,672,001,384 | 1 | 0 | Everyone has their own definition of what a first and second draft means. IMO the second draft is dedicated to fleshing out the story properly. I'm making sure that all the scenes that are in there are appropriately written, the characters satisfy their character arcs, I am focusing a lot on the consistency of the story, checking for any literary elements that I may want to add or were missed, etc. I'm not looking to do any major edits honestly, unless absolutely necessary due to a sudden epiphany. After the 2nd draft, 3rd draft is mostly for grammar and basic edits. | I am using The Fantasy Fiction Formula which has a 10 phase editing process. I edit in layers because trying to fix everything is daunting. So draft 2 I just fixed any plot holes. Another draft I made sure all my locations were described well. Etc. | 1 | 21,862 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ok3k0 | j1ncg34 | 1,672,023,778 | 1,672,001,384 | 1 | 0 | For a short story usually it's line edits and small plot polishes for me. You're editing what is needed so it's different per story. For novels? Draft 1: Chaos. I don't plan. I just write. Draft 2. I add order to chaos. This is usually a do over where I drop in specific scenes and paragraphs that remain functional to the story that now has a timeline. The difference in an outline and a timeline is purely psychological. Draft 3. Refining draft 2z adding scenes I missed, removing scenes no one will miss. Draft 4. Line edits and grammar. Draft 5? Usually doesn't happen but is more of the draft 4 treatment if needed. | I am using The Fantasy Fiction Formula which has a 10 phase editing process. I edit in layers because trying to fix everything is daunting. So draft 2 I just fixed any plot holes. Another draft I made sure all my locations were described well. Etc. | 1 | 22,394 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otr2q | j1ncg34 | 1,672,029,292 | 1,672,001,384 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | I am using The Fantasy Fiction Formula which has a 10 phase editing process. I edit in layers because trying to fix everything is daunting. So draft 2 I just fixed any plot holes. Another draft I made sure all my locations were described well. Etc. | 1 | 27,908 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otrg5 | j1ncg34 | 1,672,029,298 | 1,672,001,384 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | I am using The Fantasy Fiction Formula which has a 10 phase editing process. I edit in layers because trying to fix everything is daunting. So draft 2 I just fixed any plot holes. Another draft I made sure all my locations were described well. Etc. | 1 | 27,914 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ncg34 | j1ozhyl | 1,672,001,384 | 1,672,032,928 | 0 | 1 | I am using The Fantasy Fiction Formula which has a 10 phase editing process. I edit in layers because trying to fix everything is daunting. So draft 2 I just fixed any plot holes. Another draft I made sure all my locations were described well. Etc. | One thing I do is line edit side by side for a new draft. I take the old doc and hold it up side to side with a fresh doc, and I write in the new doc, copying what's on the first and changing stuff as I go. I've found this to be very different for me compared to just editing an existing doc. My ideas flow more freely, my ability to evaluate language and improve it is stronger, and the end product is overall just better. | 0 | 31,544 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o2bsj | j1nsrab | 1,672,014,152 | 1,672,009,333 | 1 | 0 | Everyone has a different process. Also, everyone's 1st draft looks differently - some are more messy and incomplete, and some are closer to an actual novel / short story shape. The only reasonable approach I saw was go through changes from big to small. I.e. overarching story changes first, fixing commas last. A video that helped me with realizing that from big to small approach makes the most sense. | For first drafts of novels, it is highly unlikely that the only thing (or even the main thing) in need of improvement is prose. Structure, order of events, length, pacing, right number of characters -- if you think you got all of these right the first time, you're probably wrong. Although there's no such thing as an 'objective' best way to do something, I notice that it's typically amateur writers who say, "All I need to do for my second draft is tighten up the writing," while it's professional writers who say, "Time to take my first draft apart with a wrench and rearrange the nuts and bolts." All that to say, second drafts are often the hardest and most confusing. Moving around scenes and chapters, adding new characters, combining redundant characters... it gets messy. This is usually where the most significant changes happen, and the actual writing itself isn't of concern yet; why meticulously wordsmith a chapter that could be deleted? I'm of the opinion that "All that's left is to polish the prose" happens at the third draft stage or later. In practice, I think these stages of editing really tend to blur together, but the point is that it's best to work on the big picture before getting granular. For short stories, though, it might be even blurrier than usual. You’re juggling a lot less. The structural edits, if any, will probably be less unwieldy. | 1 | 4,819 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nsrab | j1o6fv1 | 1,672,009,333 | 1,672,016,303 | 0 | 1 | For first drafts of novels, it is highly unlikely that the only thing (or even the main thing) in need of improvement is prose. Structure, order of events, length, pacing, right number of characters -- if you think you got all of these right the first time, you're probably wrong. Although there's no such thing as an 'objective' best way to do something, I notice that it's typically amateur writers who say, "All I need to do for my second draft is tighten up the writing," while it's professional writers who say, "Time to take my first draft apart with a wrench and rearrange the nuts and bolts." All that to say, second drafts are often the hardest and most confusing. Moving around scenes and chapters, adding new characters, combining redundant characters... it gets messy. This is usually where the most significant changes happen, and the actual writing itself isn't of concern yet; why meticulously wordsmith a chapter that could be deleted? I'm of the opinion that "All that's left is to polish the prose" happens at the third draft stage or later. In practice, I think these stages of editing really tend to blur together, but the point is that it's best to work on the big picture before getting granular. For short stories, though, it might be even blurrier than usual. You’re juggling a lot less. The structural edits, if any, will probably be less unwieldy. | Personally, as much as it is a LOT more work, I think that rewriting from scratch (with the first draft either side by side or nearby for reference) is always going to make it stronger. You automatically polish, can fix structural stuff, and strengthen your prose which might have been rushed initially. | 0 | 6,970 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nsrab | j1oj5ee | 1,672,009,333 | 1,672,023,246 | 0 | 1 | For first drafts of novels, it is highly unlikely that the only thing (or even the main thing) in need of improvement is prose. Structure, order of events, length, pacing, right number of characters -- if you think you got all of these right the first time, you're probably wrong. Although there's no such thing as an 'objective' best way to do something, I notice that it's typically amateur writers who say, "All I need to do for my second draft is tighten up the writing," while it's professional writers who say, "Time to take my first draft apart with a wrench and rearrange the nuts and bolts." All that to say, second drafts are often the hardest and most confusing. Moving around scenes and chapters, adding new characters, combining redundant characters... it gets messy. This is usually where the most significant changes happen, and the actual writing itself isn't of concern yet; why meticulously wordsmith a chapter that could be deleted? I'm of the opinion that "All that's left is to polish the prose" happens at the third draft stage or later. In practice, I think these stages of editing really tend to blur together, but the point is that it's best to work on the big picture before getting granular. For short stories, though, it might be even blurrier than usual. You’re juggling a lot less. The structural edits, if any, will probably be less unwieldy. | Everyone has their own definition of what a first and second draft means. IMO the second draft is dedicated to fleshing out the story properly. I'm making sure that all the scenes that are in there are appropriately written, the characters satisfy their character arcs, I am focusing a lot on the consistency of the story, checking for any literary elements that I may want to add or were missed, etc. I'm not looking to do any major edits honestly, unless absolutely necessary due to a sudden epiphany. After the 2nd draft, 3rd draft is mostly for grammar and basic edits. | 0 | 13,913 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nsrab | j1ok3k0 | 1,672,009,333 | 1,672,023,778 | 0 | 1 | For first drafts of novels, it is highly unlikely that the only thing (or even the main thing) in need of improvement is prose. Structure, order of events, length, pacing, right number of characters -- if you think you got all of these right the first time, you're probably wrong. Although there's no such thing as an 'objective' best way to do something, I notice that it's typically amateur writers who say, "All I need to do for my second draft is tighten up the writing," while it's professional writers who say, "Time to take my first draft apart with a wrench and rearrange the nuts and bolts." All that to say, second drafts are often the hardest and most confusing. Moving around scenes and chapters, adding new characters, combining redundant characters... it gets messy. This is usually where the most significant changes happen, and the actual writing itself isn't of concern yet; why meticulously wordsmith a chapter that could be deleted? I'm of the opinion that "All that's left is to polish the prose" happens at the third draft stage or later. In practice, I think these stages of editing really tend to blur together, but the point is that it's best to work on the big picture before getting granular. For short stories, though, it might be even blurrier than usual. You’re juggling a lot less. The structural edits, if any, will probably be less unwieldy. | For a short story usually it's line edits and small plot polishes for me. You're editing what is needed so it's different per story. For novels? Draft 1: Chaos. I don't plan. I just write. Draft 2. I add order to chaos. This is usually a do over where I drop in specific scenes and paragraphs that remain functional to the story that now has a timeline. The difference in an outline and a timeline is purely psychological. Draft 3. Refining draft 2z adding scenes I missed, removing scenes no one will miss. Draft 4. Line edits and grammar. Draft 5? Usually doesn't happen but is more of the draft 4 treatment if needed. | 0 | 14,445 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nsrab | j1otr2q | 1,672,009,333 | 1,672,029,292 | 0 | 1 | For first drafts of novels, it is highly unlikely that the only thing (or even the main thing) in need of improvement is prose. Structure, order of events, length, pacing, right number of characters -- if you think you got all of these right the first time, you're probably wrong. Although there's no such thing as an 'objective' best way to do something, I notice that it's typically amateur writers who say, "All I need to do for my second draft is tighten up the writing," while it's professional writers who say, "Time to take my first draft apart with a wrench and rearrange the nuts and bolts." All that to say, second drafts are often the hardest and most confusing. Moving around scenes and chapters, adding new characters, combining redundant characters... it gets messy. This is usually where the most significant changes happen, and the actual writing itself isn't of concern yet; why meticulously wordsmith a chapter that could be deleted? I'm of the opinion that "All that's left is to polish the prose" happens at the third draft stage or later. In practice, I think these stages of editing really tend to blur together, but the point is that it's best to work on the big picture before getting granular. For short stories, though, it might be even blurrier than usual. You’re juggling a lot less. The structural edits, if any, will probably be less unwieldy. | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | 0 | 19,959 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otrg5 | j1nsrab | 1,672,029,298 | 1,672,009,333 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | For first drafts of novels, it is highly unlikely that the only thing (or even the main thing) in need of improvement is prose. Structure, order of events, length, pacing, right number of characters -- if you think you got all of these right the first time, you're probably wrong. Although there's no such thing as an 'objective' best way to do something, I notice that it's typically amateur writers who say, "All I need to do for my second draft is tighten up the writing," while it's professional writers who say, "Time to take my first draft apart with a wrench and rearrange the nuts and bolts." All that to say, second drafts are often the hardest and most confusing. Moving around scenes and chapters, adding new characters, combining redundant characters... it gets messy. This is usually where the most significant changes happen, and the actual writing itself isn't of concern yet; why meticulously wordsmith a chapter that could be deleted? I'm of the opinion that "All that's left is to polish the prose" happens at the third draft stage or later. In practice, I think these stages of editing really tend to blur together, but the point is that it's best to work on the big picture before getting granular. For short stories, though, it might be even blurrier than usual. You’re juggling a lot less. The structural edits, if any, will probably be less unwieldy. | 1 | 19,965 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ozhyl | j1nsrab | 1,672,032,928 | 1,672,009,333 | 1 | 0 | One thing I do is line edit side by side for a new draft. I take the old doc and hold it up side to side with a fresh doc, and I write in the new doc, copying what's on the first and changing stuff as I go. I've found this to be very different for me compared to just editing an existing doc. My ideas flow more freely, my ability to evaluate language and improve it is stronger, and the end product is overall just better. | For first drafts of novels, it is highly unlikely that the only thing (or even the main thing) in need of improvement is prose. Structure, order of events, length, pacing, right number of characters -- if you think you got all of these right the first time, you're probably wrong. Although there's no such thing as an 'objective' best way to do something, I notice that it's typically amateur writers who say, "All I need to do for my second draft is tighten up the writing," while it's professional writers who say, "Time to take my first draft apart with a wrench and rearrange the nuts and bolts." All that to say, second drafts are often the hardest and most confusing. Moving around scenes and chapters, adding new characters, combining redundant characters... it gets messy. This is usually where the most significant changes happen, and the actual writing itself isn't of concern yet; why meticulously wordsmith a chapter that could be deleted? I'm of the opinion that "All that's left is to polish the prose" happens at the third draft stage or later. In practice, I think these stages of editing really tend to blur together, but the point is that it's best to work on the big picture before getting granular. For short stories, though, it might be even blurrier than usual. You’re juggling a lot less. The structural edits, if any, will probably be less unwieldy. | 1 | 23,595 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o2bsj | j1nvlad | 1,672,014,152 | 1,672,010,754 | 1 | 0 | Everyone has a different process. Also, everyone's 1st draft looks differently - some are more messy and incomplete, and some are closer to an actual novel / short story shape. The only reasonable approach I saw was go through changes from big to small. I.e. overarching story changes first, fixing commas last. A video that helped me with realizing that from big to small approach makes the most sense. | If your manuscript is a sculpture your first draft is the ball of clay. Then you add the more intricate details as you go. IMO My first drafts are absolutely feral. Then I go through and edit them down a chapter at a time. Add details, nuances, give depth to the characters etc. | 1 | 3,398 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o6fv1 | j1nvlad | 1,672,016,303 | 1,672,010,754 | 1 | 0 | Personally, as much as it is a LOT more work, I think that rewriting from scratch (with the first draft either side by side or nearby for reference) is always going to make it stronger. You automatically polish, can fix structural stuff, and strengthen your prose which might have been rushed initially. | If your manuscript is a sculpture your first draft is the ball of clay. Then you add the more intricate details as you go. IMO My first drafts are absolutely feral. Then I go through and edit them down a chapter at a time. Add details, nuances, give depth to the characters etc. | 1 | 5,549 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nvlad | j1oj5ee | 1,672,010,754 | 1,672,023,246 | 0 | 1 | If your manuscript is a sculpture your first draft is the ball of clay. Then you add the more intricate details as you go. IMO My first drafts are absolutely feral. Then I go through and edit them down a chapter at a time. Add details, nuances, give depth to the characters etc. | Everyone has their own definition of what a first and second draft means. IMO the second draft is dedicated to fleshing out the story properly. I'm making sure that all the scenes that are in there are appropriately written, the characters satisfy their character arcs, I am focusing a lot on the consistency of the story, checking for any literary elements that I may want to add or were missed, etc. I'm not looking to do any major edits honestly, unless absolutely necessary due to a sudden epiphany. After the 2nd draft, 3rd draft is mostly for grammar and basic edits. | 0 | 12,492 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nvlad | j1ok3k0 | 1,672,010,754 | 1,672,023,778 | 0 | 1 | If your manuscript is a sculpture your first draft is the ball of clay. Then you add the more intricate details as you go. IMO My first drafts are absolutely feral. Then I go through and edit them down a chapter at a time. Add details, nuances, give depth to the characters etc. | For a short story usually it's line edits and small plot polishes for me. You're editing what is needed so it's different per story. For novels? Draft 1: Chaos. I don't plan. I just write. Draft 2. I add order to chaos. This is usually a do over where I drop in specific scenes and paragraphs that remain functional to the story that now has a timeline. The difference in an outline and a timeline is purely psychological. Draft 3. Refining draft 2z adding scenes I missed, removing scenes no one will miss. Draft 4. Line edits and grammar. Draft 5? Usually doesn't happen but is more of the draft 4 treatment if needed. | 0 | 13,024 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nvlad | j1otr2q | 1,672,010,754 | 1,672,029,292 | 0 | 1 | If your manuscript is a sculpture your first draft is the ball of clay. Then you add the more intricate details as you go. IMO My first drafts are absolutely feral. Then I go through and edit them down a chapter at a time. Add details, nuances, give depth to the characters etc. | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | 0 | 18,538 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otrg5 | j1nvlad | 1,672,029,298 | 1,672,010,754 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | If your manuscript is a sculpture your first draft is the ball of clay. Then you add the more intricate details as you go. IMO My first drafts are absolutely feral. Then I go through and edit them down a chapter at a time. Add details, nuances, give depth to the characters etc. | 1 | 18,544 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1ozhyl | j1nvlad | 1,672,032,928 | 1,672,010,754 | 1 | 0 | One thing I do is line edit side by side for a new draft. I take the old doc and hold it up side to side with a fresh doc, and I write in the new doc, copying what's on the first and changing stuff as I go. I've found this to be very different for me compared to just editing an existing doc. My ideas flow more freely, my ability to evaluate language and improve it is stronger, and the end product is overall just better. | If your manuscript is a sculpture your first draft is the ball of clay. Then you add the more intricate details as you go. IMO My first drafts are absolutely feral. Then I go through and edit them down a chapter at a time. Add details, nuances, give depth to the characters etc. | 1 | 22,174 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o2bsj | j1nzxhe | 1,672,014,152 | 1,672,012,929 | 1 | 0 | Everyone has a different process. Also, everyone's 1st draft looks differently - some are more messy and incomplete, and some are closer to an actual novel / short story shape. The only reasonable approach I saw was go through changes from big to small. I.e. overarching story changes first, fixing commas last. A video that helped me with realizing that from big to small approach makes the most sense. | Read your work. Edit what doesn’t work. Rewrite what is really bad. When you finish, that’s your second draft. Do that until it doesn’t suck or you give up. | 1 | 1,223 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nzxhe | j1o6fv1 | 1,672,012,929 | 1,672,016,303 | 0 | 1 | Read your work. Edit what doesn’t work. Rewrite what is really bad. When you finish, that’s your second draft. Do that until it doesn’t suck or you give up. | Personally, as much as it is a LOT more work, I think that rewriting from scratch (with the first draft either side by side or nearby for reference) is always going to make it stronger. You automatically polish, can fix structural stuff, and strengthen your prose which might have been rushed initially. | 0 | 3,374 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1oj5ee | j1nzxhe | 1,672,023,246 | 1,672,012,929 | 1 | 0 | Everyone has their own definition of what a first and second draft means. IMO the second draft is dedicated to fleshing out the story properly. I'm making sure that all the scenes that are in there are appropriately written, the characters satisfy their character arcs, I am focusing a lot on the consistency of the story, checking for any literary elements that I may want to add or were missed, etc. I'm not looking to do any major edits honestly, unless absolutely necessary due to a sudden epiphany. After the 2nd draft, 3rd draft is mostly for grammar and basic edits. | Read your work. Edit what doesn’t work. Rewrite what is really bad. When you finish, that’s your second draft. Do that until it doesn’t suck or you give up. | 1 | 10,317 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nzxhe | j1ok3k0 | 1,672,012,929 | 1,672,023,778 | 0 | 1 | Read your work. Edit what doesn’t work. Rewrite what is really bad. When you finish, that’s your second draft. Do that until it doesn’t suck or you give up. | For a short story usually it's line edits and small plot polishes for me. You're editing what is needed so it's different per story. For novels? Draft 1: Chaos. I don't plan. I just write. Draft 2. I add order to chaos. This is usually a do over where I drop in specific scenes and paragraphs that remain functional to the story that now has a timeline. The difference in an outline and a timeline is purely psychological. Draft 3. Refining draft 2z adding scenes I missed, removing scenes no one will miss. Draft 4. Line edits and grammar. Draft 5? Usually doesn't happen but is more of the draft 4 treatment if needed. | 0 | 10,849 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otr2q | j1nzxhe | 1,672,029,292 | 1,672,012,929 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | Read your work. Edit what doesn’t work. Rewrite what is really bad. When you finish, that’s your second draft. Do that until it doesn’t suck or you give up. | 1 | 16,363 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otrg5 | j1nzxhe | 1,672,029,298 | 1,672,012,929 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | Read your work. Edit what doesn’t work. Rewrite what is really bad. When you finish, that’s your second draft. Do that until it doesn’t suck or you give up. | 1 | 16,369 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1nzxhe | j1ozhyl | 1,672,012,929 | 1,672,032,928 | 0 | 1 | Read your work. Edit what doesn’t work. Rewrite what is really bad. When you finish, that’s your second draft. Do that until it doesn’t suck or you give up. | One thing I do is line edit side by side for a new draft. I take the old doc and hold it up side to side with a fresh doc, and I write in the new doc, copying what's on the first and changing stuff as I go. I've found this to be very different for me compared to just editing an existing doc. My ideas flow more freely, my ability to evaluate language and improve it is stronger, and the end product is overall just better. | 0 | 19,999 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o0iq2 | j1o2bsj | 1,672,013,228 | 1,672,014,152 | 0 | 1 | going over the 1st draft and trimming the fat. Also adjusting the flow and tempo to your liking. | Everyone has a different process. Also, everyone's 1st draft looks differently - some are more messy and incomplete, and some are closer to an actual novel / short story shape. The only reasonable approach I saw was go through changes from big to small. I.e. overarching story changes first, fixing commas last. A video that helped me with realizing that from big to small approach makes the most sense. | 0 | 924 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o6fv1 | j1o0iq2 | 1,672,016,303 | 1,672,013,228 | 1 | 0 | Personally, as much as it is a LOT more work, I think that rewriting from scratch (with the first draft either side by side or nearby for reference) is always going to make it stronger. You automatically polish, can fix structural stuff, and strengthen your prose which might have been rushed initially. | going over the 1st draft and trimming the fat. Also adjusting the flow and tempo to your liking. | 1 | 3,075 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o0iq2 | j1oj5ee | 1,672,013,228 | 1,672,023,246 | 0 | 1 | going over the 1st draft and trimming the fat. Also adjusting the flow and tempo to your liking. | Everyone has their own definition of what a first and second draft means. IMO the second draft is dedicated to fleshing out the story properly. I'm making sure that all the scenes that are in there are appropriately written, the characters satisfy their character arcs, I am focusing a lot on the consistency of the story, checking for any literary elements that I may want to add or were missed, etc. I'm not looking to do any major edits honestly, unless absolutely necessary due to a sudden epiphany. After the 2nd draft, 3rd draft is mostly for grammar and basic edits. | 0 | 10,018 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o0iq2 | j1ok3k0 | 1,672,013,228 | 1,672,023,778 | 0 | 1 | going over the 1st draft and trimming the fat. Also adjusting the flow and tempo to your liking. | For a short story usually it's line edits and small plot polishes for me. You're editing what is needed so it's different per story. For novels? Draft 1: Chaos. I don't plan. I just write. Draft 2. I add order to chaos. This is usually a do over where I drop in specific scenes and paragraphs that remain functional to the story that now has a timeline. The difference in an outline and a timeline is purely psychological. Draft 3. Refining draft 2z adding scenes I missed, removing scenes no one will miss. Draft 4. Line edits and grammar. Draft 5? Usually doesn't happen but is more of the draft 4 treatment if needed. | 0 | 10,550 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1otr2q | j1o0iq2 | 1,672,029,292 | 1,672,013,228 | 1 | 0 | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | going over the 1st draft and trimming the fat. Also adjusting the flow and tempo to your liking. | 1 | 16,064 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o0iq2 | j1otrg5 | 1,672,013,228 | 1,672,029,298 | 0 | 1 | going over the 1st draft and trimming the fat. Also adjusting the flow and tempo to your liking. | I started by my second draft being my own edits. I print it off, mark it up, then put in my edits. I don't edit as I go. 3rd edit is Microsoft Word edits (you could also use Google or Grammarly, whatever suits you). Sometimes programs catch things I didn't. Very useful, but I always use my writing background first. I know the rules, I should in a sense be able to spot them. Then anything a computer suggests, I can debate based on my own knowledge. For one particular story, I didn't like the way I moved the plot. It was too quick. My writing style changed, etc. etc. I started from the beginning following the general idea of the first. 9 drafts later, and I started over twice during this process simply because I got advice on how to start a novel, and what I had during the first rewrite wasn't it. | 0 | 16,070 | 1,000 | ||
zv163s | writing_train | 0.78 | What does writing a second draft mean, exactly? Is this something most people do the same way, or is there, objectively a best way to go about it? My biggest question here is if you're supposed to start over completely after your first draft. Up until now I've just been editing my first drafts of short stories and maybe changing a paragraph here and there but nothing huge. What is you guys' method to writing second drafts? | j1o0iq2 | j1ozhyl | 1,672,013,228 | 1,672,032,928 | 0 | 1 | going over the 1st draft and trimming the fat. Also adjusting the flow and tempo to your liking. | One thing I do is line edit side by side for a new draft. I take the old doc and hold it up side to side with a fresh doc, and I write in the new doc, copying what's on the first and changing stuff as I go. I've found this to be very different for me compared to just editing an existing doc. My ideas flow more freely, my ability to evaluate language and improve it is stronger, and the end product is overall just better. | 0 | 19,700 | 1,000 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuo3db | ipugyqa | 1,664,120,899 | 1,664,117,839 | 224 | 31 | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | Duplicate manuscript. You can always erase what you don't like. | 1 | 3,060 | 7.225806 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuo3db | ipui37u | 1,664,120,899 | 1,664,118,326 | 224 | 29 | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | I always generate a fresh copy and just add "1D", "2D", "3D" to the file so I know which level of draft it is. By keeping the original, you can hack and slash to your heart's content without worrying that you'll delete something irreplaceable. Then it's just a matter of deleting and rewriting scenes / chapters you don't like, or just sticking to simple grammar / prose clean-up. Don't forget that data is cheap. A single $10 flash drive these days will hold more writing than you can ever produce in a lifetime, so don't be afraid to eat up its memory with duplicate files. You'll never run out of space. | 1 | 2,573 | 7.724138 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuf1bn | ipuo3db | 1,664,116,983 | 1,664,120,899 | 16 | 224 | I just spent the $50 to print it out and actually sat down with a red pen like a math teacher. I only started from scratch if a scene had to be started from scratch. Otherwise why make more work for myself? When I'm critiquing somebody else's thing I try to read through without taking notes, but I don't feel like there's any point with my own writing. Even though I try, it's not like I'm ever truly reading it with fresh eyes. | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | 0 | 3,916 | 14 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuiqy4 | ipuo3db | 1,664,118,610 | 1,664,120,899 | 13 | 224 | > I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. do they not teach this stuff in school? they used to teach us how to edit. it was 5 page papers for English or Science class, but still... most professionals do something like this: - print out the entire document on paper. you'll see things on paper you miss on the screen. read it, first for big-picture problems (narrative flow, plot holes, characterization, arrangement of chapters/scenes). second, read it page-by-page or line-by-line for style/grammar/typos. - take notes on this paper document ('cut this paragraph' or 'move this scene to nearer the climax'), and also notes on a legal pad or whatever. - duplicate the draft on your computer, rename it. the original file is called 'My Novel First Draft'. you just leave this one alone, archive it. the copy is re-named 'My Novel Second Draft'. you make changes/rewrites to this copy of the file. - repeat as needed. print out the second draft, make more edits, then duplicate and rename the file. | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | 0 | 2,289 | 17.230769 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuhygp | ipuo3db | 1,664,118,268 | 1,664,120,899 | 11 | 224 | There really is no right answer except to say "do whatever works for you". For me, my second draft looks like sitting down with my manuscript, running through it with a red pen (focusing on structural issues, not nitpicks like wording—that comes later), redoing my outline to match both the ways the story changed in drafting and the ways I want it to change for the next draft, and then rewriting the whole thing largely from scratch. Even sections that largely carry over, I do make myself retype them because in doing so, the prose and dialogue get better. Once I finish this draft, I'll let it sit for a month or so and then go back over it with a red pen again. I probably won't rewrite from scratch again unless for some reason I introduce new, more major issues that I feel can't be solved by piecemeal editing. (And, likewise, I'm only doing it this time because the changes I needed to make were significant enough that just rewriting it is actually the easier option.) | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | 0 | 2,631 | 20.363636 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipundur | ipuo3db | 1,664,120,596 | 1,664,120,899 | 8 | 224 | It varies from person to person, you'll need to figure out what works for you. When I edit, I come back after letting the story rest for awhile. I give it a full read without making any edits aside from minor grammar, spelling, or punctuation fixes. Then I start editing from page 1. The focus for me is to see how I can make the scenes stronger. Maybe I need to cut some parts out; maybe I need to add something; maybe an entire scene just needs removed or replaced. Often, I will need to add a bunch in for better foreshadowing, or to give a fuller sense of what was going on. It's not uncommon for me to add in new characters, or whole chapters. I'll also remove sections that didn't work, or don't work with the new additions. The goal of my 2nd draft is to strengthen the overall story. Drafts 3 & 4 will be to trim all the unnecessary and to polish what exists. Draft 5 is to make damn sure I cannot make it a better version of itself. I do all of this on the same computer file as the original manuscript, so I don't end up keeping the older drafts. Some people love having those originals, I see them as clutter. Then again, I have ADHD and *will* lose sentimental things. I do it all the time. | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | 0 | 303 | 28 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipufc1v | ipuo3db | 1,664,117,115 | 1,664,120,899 | 4 | 224 | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | 0 | 3,784 | 56 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuo3db | ipuids1 | 1,664,120,899 | 1,664,118,452 | 224 | 4 | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | Everybody does it differently, I don't think there's a correct way. A lot of writer peers I know do the discrete passes thing, with a fresh copy each time. They can be more exact about "I did eleven revisions." But a lot do continuous edits, kind of like option two in your list, but always save copies named with date/time as they go, and there were no discrete 'revisions' to number. I'm at an extreme in that I edit as I go, so when I get to THE END, it's usually ready to just get a copyedit pass and turn over to beta readers. | 1 | 2,447 | 56 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipunbar | ipuo3db | 1,664,120,567 | 1,664,120,899 | 2 | 224 | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | Look up 'types of editing' and learn this major level of writing craft. Many resources. Generally: Always work from a COPY of your previous draft. Always. And, ALWAYS back up your work, USB drive, somewhere online, somewhere separate from where you're working. Label every file accurately, and date them. Future you will thank you. The first editing pass needs to be the big picture stuff. Did you start it in the best place/time? Are the events in the best order? Are there any scenes that do too little? Does the timeline work? Are there any plot holes?? Fix any of those big things FIRST. There is no sense in line-editing something that should've been eliminated in this major edit. Once the big elements are in order, you recheck the timeline, the transitions between scenes, do any fact-checking required, figure out what else some scenes need to keep that emotional energy flowing. None of this needs to be pretty yet, but it needs to be there for the next edit pass. Be brutal with extraneous stuff that adds nothing to the story. Future you will thank you. Next, you work on each scene. There are whole craft books on this topic, check them out and use what makes sense to you. Ideally, each scene does several things for plot, character(s), emotional weight, rising tension, etc. This stage can be a lot of work, but it's critical. Spend a lot of time on this stage. When you are happy with your story, then you line-edit. This is sentence-level, paragraph-level up close and personal editing, what most new people think is all of editing. It includes doing searches of any word or phrase you notice you overuse, and any words commonly mistyped, that spellcheck won't find because they're real words. For instance, 'the' instead of 'he' is one I see pretty often when reading. Be very careful when editing, or you'll create more typos, the weeds of writing, sneaky and persistent, stealthy because you know what should be there, and your tired brain makes it appear to be. If you're going on submission (on sub), minimize typos. They're more common in the last third of novels due to tired edit-brain. My final edit starts with the last scene, working backward scene by scene to at least the middle. It'll drive your story-brain nuts, but it is effective. | 0 | 332 | 112 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuf1bn | ipugyqa | 1,664,116,983 | 1,664,117,839 | 16 | 31 | I just spent the $50 to print it out and actually sat down with a red pen like a math teacher. I only started from scratch if a scene had to be started from scratch. Otherwise why make more work for myself? When I'm critiquing somebody else's thing I try to read through without taking notes, but I don't feel like there's any point with my own writing. Even though I try, it's not like I'm ever truly reading it with fresh eyes. | Duplicate manuscript. You can always erase what you don't like. | 0 | 856 | 1.9375 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipufc1v | ipugyqa | 1,664,117,115 | 1,664,117,839 | 4 | 31 | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | Duplicate manuscript. You can always erase what you don't like. | 0 | 724 | 7.75 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuf1bn | ipui37u | 1,664,116,983 | 1,664,118,326 | 16 | 29 | I just spent the $50 to print it out and actually sat down with a red pen like a math teacher. I only started from scratch if a scene had to be started from scratch. Otherwise why make more work for myself? When I'm critiquing somebody else's thing I try to read through without taking notes, but I don't feel like there's any point with my own writing. Even though I try, it's not like I'm ever truly reading it with fresh eyes. | I always generate a fresh copy and just add "1D", "2D", "3D" to the file so I know which level of draft it is. By keeping the original, you can hack and slash to your heart's content without worrying that you'll delete something irreplaceable. Then it's just a matter of deleting and rewriting scenes / chapters you don't like, or just sticking to simple grammar / prose clean-up. Don't forget that data is cheap. A single $10 flash drive these days will hold more writing than you can ever produce in a lifetime, so don't be afraid to eat up its memory with duplicate files. You'll never run out of space. | 0 | 1,343 | 1.8125 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipui37u | ipuhygp | 1,664,118,326 | 1,664,118,268 | 29 | 11 | I always generate a fresh copy and just add "1D", "2D", "3D" to the file so I know which level of draft it is. By keeping the original, you can hack and slash to your heart's content without worrying that you'll delete something irreplaceable. Then it's just a matter of deleting and rewriting scenes / chapters you don't like, or just sticking to simple grammar / prose clean-up. Don't forget that data is cheap. A single $10 flash drive these days will hold more writing than you can ever produce in a lifetime, so don't be afraid to eat up its memory with duplicate files. You'll never run out of space. | There really is no right answer except to say "do whatever works for you". For me, my second draft looks like sitting down with my manuscript, running through it with a red pen (focusing on structural issues, not nitpicks like wording—that comes later), redoing my outline to match both the ways the story changed in drafting and the ways I want it to change for the next draft, and then rewriting the whole thing largely from scratch. Even sections that largely carry over, I do make myself retype them because in doing so, the prose and dialogue get better. Once I finish this draft, I'll let it sit for a month or so and then go back over it with a red pen again. I probably won't rewrite from scratch again unless for some reason I introduce new, more major issues that I feel can't be solved by piecemeal editing. (And, likewise, I'm only doing it this time because the changes I needed to make were significant enough that just rewriting it is actually the easier option.) | 1 | 58 | 2.636364 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipufc1v | ipui37u | 1,664,117,115 | 1,664,118,326 | 4 | 29 | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | I always generate a fresh copy and just add "1D", "2D", "3D" to the file so I know which level of draft it is. By keeping the original, you can hack and slash to your heart's content without worrying that you'll delete something irreplaceable. Then it's just a matter of deleting and rewriting scenes / chapters you don't like, or just sticking to simple grammar / prose clean-up. Don't forget that data is cheap. A single $10 flash drive these days will hold more writing than you can ever produce in a lifetime, so don't be afraid to eat up its memory with duplicate files. You'll never run out of space. | 0 | 1,211 | 7.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuhygp | ipuiqy4 | 1,664,118,268 | 1,664,118,610 | 11 | 13 | There really is no right answer except to say "do whatever works for you". For me, my second draft looks like sitting down with my manuscript, running through it with a red pen (focusing on structural issues, not nitpicks like wording—that comes later), redoing my outline to match both the ways the story changed in drafting and the ways I want it to change for the next draft, and then rewriting the whole thing largely from scratch. Even sections that largely carry over, I do make myself retype them because in doing so, the prose and dialogue get better. Once I finish this draft, I'll let it sit for a month or so and then go back over it with a red pen again. I probably won't rewrite from scratch again unless for some reason I introduce new, more major issues that I feel can't be solved by piecemeal editing. (And, likewise, I'm only doing it this time because the changes I needed to make were significant enough that just rewriting it is actually the easier option.) | > I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. do they not teach this stuff in school? they used to teach us how to edit. it was 5 page papers for English or Science class, but still... most professionals do something like this: - print out the entire document on paper. you'll see things on paper you miss on the screen. read it, first for big-picture problems (narrative flow, plot holes, characterization, arrangement of chapters/scenes). second, read it page-by-page or line-by-line for style/grammar/typos. - take notes on this paper document ('cut this paragraph' or 'move this scene to nearer the climax'), and also notes on a legal pad or whatever. - duplicate the draft on your computer, rename it. the original file is called 'My Novel First Draft'. you just leave this one alone, archive it. the copy is re-named 'My Novel Second Draft'. you make changes/rewrites to this copy of the file. - repeat as needed. print out the second draft, make more edits, then duplicate and rename the file. | 0 | 342 | 1.181818 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuiqy4 | ipufc1v | 1,664,118,610 | 1,664,117,115 | 13 | 4 | > I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. do they not teach this stuff in school? they used to teach us how to edit. it was 5 page papers for English or Science class, but still... most professionals do something like this: - print out the entire document on paper. you'll see things on paper you miss on the screen. read it, first for big-picture problems (narrative flow, plot holes, characterization, arrangement of chapters/scenes). second, read it page-by-page or line-by-line for style/grammar/typos. - take notes on this paper document ('cut this paragraph' or 'move this scene to nearer the climax'), and also notes on a legal pad or whatever. - duplicate the draft on your computer, rename it. the original file is called 'My Novel First Draft'. you just leave this one alone, archive it. the copy is re-named 'My Novel Second Draft'. you make changes/rewrites to this copy of the file. - repeat as needed. print out the second draft, make more edits, then duplicate and rename the file. | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | 1 | 1,495 | 3.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuids1 | ipuiqy4 | 1,664,118,452 | 1,664,118,610 | 4 | 13 | Everybody does it differently, I don't think there's a correct way. A lot of writer peers I know do the discrete passes thing, with a fresh copy each time. They can be more exact about "I did eleven revisions." But a lot do continuous edits, kind of like option two in your list, but always save copies named with date/time as they go, and there were no discrete 'revisions' to number. I'm at an extreme in that I edit as I go, so when I get to THE END, it's usually ready to just get a copyedit pass and turn over to beta readers. | > I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. do they not teach this stuff in school? they used to teach us how to edit. it was 5 page papers for English or Science class, but still... most professionals do something like this: - print out the entire document on paper. you'll see things on paper you miss on the screen. read it, first for big-picture problems (narrative flow, plot holes, characterization, arrangement of chapters/scenes). second, read it page-by-page or line-by-line for style/grammar/typos. - take notes on this paper document ('cut this paragraph' or 'move this scene to nearer the climax'), and also notes on a legal pad or whatever. - duplicate the draft on your computer, rename it. the original file is called 'My Novel First Draft'. you just leave this one alone, archive it. the copy is re-named 'My Novel Second Draft'. you make changes/rewrites to this copy of the file. - repeat as needed. print out the second draft, make more edits, then duplicate and rename the file. | 0 | 158 | 3.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipufc1v | ipuhygp | 1,664,117,115 | 1,664,118,268 | 4 | 11 | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | There really is no right answer except to say "do whatever works for you". For me, my second draft looks like sitting down with my manuscript, running through it with a red pen (focusing on structural issues, not nitpicks like wording—that comes later), redoing my outline to match both the ways the story changed in drafting and the ways I want it to change for the next draft, and then rewriting the whole thing largely from scratch. Even sections that largely carry over, I do make myself retype them because in doing so, the prose and dialogue get better. Once I finish this draft, I'll let it sit for a month or so and then go back over it with a red pen again. I probably won't rewrite from scratch again unless for some reason I introduce new, more major issues that I feel can't be solved by piecemeal editing. (And, likewise, I'm only doing it this time because the changes I needed to make were significant enough that just rewriting it is actually the easier option.) | 0 | 1,153 | 2.75 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipundur | ipufc1v | 1,664,120,596 | 1,664,117,115 | 8 | 4 | It varies from person to person, you'll need to figure out what works for you. When I edit, I come back after letting the story rest for awhile. I give it a full read without making any edits aside from minor grammar, spelling, or punctuation fixes. Then I start editing from page 1. The focus for me is to see how I can make the scenes stronger. Maybe I need to cut some parts out; maybe I need to add something; maybe an entire scene just needs removed or replaced. Often, I will need to add a bunch in for better foreshadowing, or to give a fuller sense of what was going on. It's not uncommon for me to add in new characters, or whole chapters. I'll also remove sections that didn't work, or don't work with the new additions. The goal of my 2nd draft is to strengthen the overall story. Drafts 3 & 4 will be to trim all the unnecessary and to polish what exists. Draft 5 is to make damn sure I cannot make it a better version of itself. I do all of this on the same computer file as the original manuscript, so I don't end up keeping the older drafts. Some people love having those originals, I see them as clutter. Then again, I have ADHD and *will* lose sentimental things. I do it all the time. | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | 1 | 3,481 | 2 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipundur | ipuids1 | 1,664,120,596 | 1,664,118,452 | 8 | 4 | It varies from person to person, you'll need to figure out what works for you. When I edit, I come back after letting the story rest for awhile. I give it a full read without making any edits aside from minor grammar, spelling, or punctuation fixes. Then I start editing from page 1. The focus for me is to see how I can make the scenes stronger. Maybe I need to cut some parts out; maybe I need to add something; maybe an entire scene just needs removed or replaced. Often, I will need to add a bunch in for better foreshadowing, or to give a fuller sense of what was going on. It's not uncommon for me to add in new characters, or whole chapters. I'll also remove sections that didn't work, or don't work with the new additions. The goal of my 2nd draft is to strengthen the overall story. Drafts 3 & 4 will be to trim all the unnecessary and to polish what exists. Draft 5 is to make damn sure I cannot make it a better version of itself. I do all of this on the same computer file as the original manuscript, so I don't end up keeping the older drafts. Some people love having those originals, I see them as clutter. Then again, I have ADHD and *will* lose sentimental things. I do it all the time. | Everybody does it differently, I don't think there's a correct way. A lot of writer peers I know do the discrete passes thing, with a fresh copy each time. They can be more exact about "I did eleven revisions." But a lot do continuous edits, kind of like option two in your list, but always save copies named with date/time as they go, and there were no discrete 'revisions' to number. I'm at an extreme in that I edit as I go, so when I get to THE END, it's usually ready to just get a copyedit pass and turn over to beta readers. | 1 | 2,144 | 2 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipundur | ipunbar | 1,664,120,596 | 1,664,120,567 | 8 | 2 | It varies from person to person, you'll need to figure out what works for you. When I edit, I come back after letting the story rest for awhile. I give it a full read without making any edits aside from minor grammar, spelling, or punctuation fixes. Then I start editing from page 1. The focus for me is to see how I can make the scenes stronger. Maybe I need to cut some parts out; maybe I need to add something; maybe an entire scene just needs removed or replaced. Often, I will need to add a bunch in for better foreshadowing, or to give a fuller sense of what was going on. It's not uncommon for me to add in new characters, or whole chapters. I'll also remove sections that didn't work, or don't work with the new additions. The goal of my 2nd draft is to strengthen the overall story. Drafts 3 & 4 will be to trim all the unnecessary and to polish what exists. Draft 5 is to make damn sure I cannot make it a better version of itself. I do all of this on the same computer file as the original manuscript, so I don't end up keeping the older drafts. Some people love having those originals, I see them as clutter. Then again, I have ADHD and *will* lose sentimental things. I do it all the time. | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | 1 | 29 | 4 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipufc1v | ipuooke | 1,664,117,115 | 1,664,121,144 | 4 | 5 | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | I don't know anything about a second draft. For me it is a process. I write as many pages as I can then read through what I've written, correcting and embellishing along the way. works for me. | 0 | 4,029 | 1.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuids1 | ipuooke | 1,664,118,452 | 1,664,121,144 | 4 | 5 | Everybody does it differently, I don't think there's a correct way. A lot of writer peers I know do the discrete passes thing, with a fresh copy each time. They can be more exact about "I did eleven revisions." But a lot do continuous edits, kind of like option two in your list, but always save copies named with date/time as they go, and there were no discrete 'revisions' to number. I'm at an extreme in that I edit as I go, so when I get to THE END, it's usually ready to just get a copyedit pass and turn over to beta readers. | I don't know anything about a second draft. For me it is a process. I write as many pages as I can then read through what I've written, correcting and embellishing along the way. works for me. | 0 | 2,692 | 1.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuooke | ipunbar | 1,664,121,144 | 1,664,120,567 | 5 | 2 | I don't know anything about a second draft. For me it is a process. I write as many pages as I can then read through what I've written, correcting and embellishing along the way. works for me. | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | 1 | 577 | 2.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipufc1v | ipusarn | 1,664,117,115 | 1,664,122,660 | 4 | 5 | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | For me the second draft is solving great big problems like pacing & plot holes. 😊 | 0 | 5,545 | 1.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuids1 | ipusarn | 1,664,118,452 | 1,664,122,660 | 4 | 5 | Everybody does it differently, I don't think there's a correct way. A lot of writer peers I know do the discrete passes thing, with a fresh copy each time. They can be more exact about "I did eleven revisions." But a lot do continuous edits, kind of like option two in your list, but always save copies named with date/time as they go, and there were no discrete 'revisions' to number. I'm at an extreme in that I edit as I go, so when I get to THE END, it's usually ready to just get a copyedit pass and turn over to beta readers. | For me the second draft is solving great big problems like pacing & plot holes. 😊 | 0 | 4,208 | 1.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipunbar | ipusarn | 1,664,120,567 | 1,664,122,660 | 2 | 5 | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | For me the second draft is solving great big problems like pacing & plot holes. 😊 | 0 | 2,093 | 2.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipw5nlu | ipufc1v | 1,664,141,548 | 1,664,117,115 | 5 | 4 | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | I’m quite new at this as well but I’ll describe what I’m doing for mine. I finished my first draft and am currently working through the second. I’m doing mine in google docs and I’m just rereading through it all now and basically spell checking, making minor sentence restructures and writing comments on pieces that need larger changes or continuity checks. When I finish reading it I’ll go back to all the comments I’ve made on it and complete them and once they are all fixed or changed I’ll consider that my second draft complete :) at that point I’ll let some close friends and maybe a few others read it and see if it needs anything bigger and that’ll be the third draft | 1 | 24,433 | 1.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipuids1 | ipw5nlu | 1,664,118,452 | 1,664,141,548 | 4 | 5 | Everybody does it differently, I don't think there's a correct way. A lot of writer peers I know do the discrete passes thing, with a fresh copy each time. They can be more exact about "I did eleven revisions." But a lot do continuous edits, kind of like option two in your list, but always save copies named with date/time as they go, and there were no discrete 'revisions' to number. I'm at an extreme in that I edit as I go, so when I get to THE END, it's usually ready to just get a copyedit pass and turn over to beta readers. | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | 0 | 23,096 | 1.25 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipv4ttz | ipw5nlu | 1,664,127,605 | 1,664,141,548 | 3 | 5 | I always make a new copy, unless I hated the first draft so much that I literally need to cannibalize it, which means writing down where each scene I actually liked should go and filling in the blanks. For me a second draft is usually for rewriting things I didn't like or think I could've done better from the first draft, which I do by reading the first draft over and flagging the bits I *didn't* like in a different color, while also listing them on a separate file so I can tackle them one at a time later (it also has the added benefit of making sure I don't accidentally make new plot holes) | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | 0 | 13,943 | 1.666667 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipver7x | ipw5nlu | 1,664,131,233 | 1,664,141,548 | 3 | 5 | Using the original make sure your sentences flow from and are connected from one to another without being a long running sentence re arrange as much sentences as necessary. make sure you don't jump back and forth between ideas in the same paragraph, and that the ideas are in a logical order for the reader to make sense of what you want to convey. See if the things that happen lead to the next action in a coherent way instead of writing something and then explaining why it's possible as if you were justifying yourself.(e.g. dont say "she stabbed him with a thread because she has a magic spell that allows her for hardening threads". but show the hardening spell before she stabs someone with the rigid thread) and fix anything you don't like, connect any ideas you think need connecting, and also remove any redundant or innecessary parts(or at least don't have them cutting the flow of the action in tense moments) I don't know if that's the right way of building your second draft, but that's what I focus on. | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | 0 | 10,315 | 1.666667 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipvhgaa | ipw5nlu | 1,664,132,248 | 1,664,141,548 | 3 | 5 | I like to go on lulu and print my manuscript in book form and edit it in the margins. It is inexpensive and fun. | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | 0 | 9,300 | 1.666667 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipw5nlu | ipw1l37 | 1,664,141,548 | 1,664,139,872 | 5 | 3 | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | Simple — a new-and-improved version of Draft One! BUT you still have a lot of work ahead of you in as many drafts and rewrites as you need to make! And each draft will be better than the previous ones! | 1 | 1,676 | 1.666667 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipunbar | ipw5nlu | 1,664,120,567 | 1,664,141,548 | 2 | 5 | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | 0 | 20,981 | 2.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipw5nlu | ipv7jt5 | 1,664,141,548 | 1,664,128,604 | 5 | 2 | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | I duplicate it and then read it carefully to cut out any unnecessary information I find! | 1 | 12,944 | 2.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipw5nlu | ipvtqav | 1,664,141,548 | 1,664,136,819 | 5 | 2 | Am I the only one that read the title in Samuel L. Jackson's voice? "What does a second draft LOOK like?" "W-w-what?" "Does it look like a bitch?" | Like your first draft, but a bit more cohesive and a little less rough around the edges. | 1 | 4,729 | 2.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipv4ttz | ipunbar | 1,664,127,605 | 1,664,120,567 | 3 | 2 | I always make a new copy, unless I hated the first draft so much that I literally need to cannibalize it, which means writing down where each scene I actually liked should go and filling in the blanks. For me a second draft is usually for rewriting things I didn't like or think I could've done better from the first draft, which I do by reading the first draft over and flagging the bits I *didn't* like in a different color, while also listing them on a separate file so I can tackle them one at a time later (it also has the added benefit of making sure I don't accidentally make new plot holes) | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | 1 | 7,038 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipunbar | ipver7x | 1,664,120,567 | 1,664,131,233 | 2 | 3 | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | Using the original make sure your sentences flow from and are connected from one to another without being a long running sentence re arrange as much sentences as necessary. make sure you don't jump back and forth between ideas in the same paragraph, and that the ideas are in a logical order for the reader to make sense of what you want to convey. See if the things that happen lead to the next action in a coherent way instead of writing something and then explaining why it's possible as if you were justifying yourself.(e.g. dont say "she stabbed him with a thread because she has a magic spell that allows her for hardening threads". but show the hardening spell before she stabs someone with the rigid thread) and fix anything you don't like, connect any ideas you think need connecting, and also remove any redundant or innecessary parts(or at least don't have them cutting the flow of the action in tense moments) I don't know if that's the right way of building your second draft, but that's what I focus on. | 0 | 10,666 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipver7x | ipv7jt5 | 1,664,131,233 | 1,664,128,604 | 3 | 2 | Using the original make sure your sentences flow from and are connected from one to another without being a long running sentence re arrange as much sentences as necessary. make sure you don't jump back and forth between ideas in the same paragraph, and that the ideas are in a logical order for the reader to make sense of what you want to convey. See if the things that happen lead to the next action in a coherent way instead of writing something and then explaining why it's possible as if you were justifying yourself.(e.g. dont say "she stabbed him with a thread because she has a magic spell that allows her for hardening threads". but show the hardening spell before she stabs someone with the rigid thread) and fix anything you don't like, connect any ideas you think need connecting, and also remove any redundant or innecessary parts(or at least don't have them cutting the flow of the action in tense moments) I don't know if that's the right way of building your second draft, but that's what I focus on. | I duplicate it and then read it carefully to cut out any unnecessary information I find! | 1 | 2,629 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipunbar | ipvhgaa | 1,664,120,567 | 1,664,132,248 | 2 | 3 | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | I like to go on lulu and print my manuscript in book form and edit it in the margins. It is inexpensive and fun. | 0 | 11,681 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipv7jt5 | ipvhgaa | 1,664,128,604 | 1,664,132,248 | 2 | 3 | I duplicate it and then read it carefully to cut out any unnecessary information I find! | I like to go on lulu and print my manuscript in book form and edit it in the margins. It is inexpensive and fun. | 0 | 3,644 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipunbar | ipw1l37 | 1,664,120,567 | 1,664,139,872 | 2 | 3 | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | Simple — a new-and-improved version of Draft One! BUT you still have a lot of work ahead of you in as many drafts and rewrites as you need to make! And each draft will be better than the previous ones! | 0 | 19,305 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipv7jt5 | ipw1l37 | 1,664,128,604 | 1,664,139,872 | 2 | 3 | I duplicate it and then read it carefully to cut out any unnecessary information I find! | Simple — a new-and-improved version of Draft One! BUT you still have a lot of work ahead of you in as many drafts and rewrites as you need to make! And each draft will be better than the previous ones! | 0 | 11,268 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipw1l37 | ipvtqav | 1,664,139,872 | 1,664,136,819 | 3 | 2 | Simple — a new-and-improved version of Draft One! BUT you still have a lot of work ahead of you in as many drafts and rewrites as you need to make! And each draft will be better than the previous ones! | Like your first draft, but a bit more cohesive and a little less rough around the edges. | 1 | 3,053 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipwgaup | ipunbar | 1,664,146,174 | 1,664,120,567 | 3 | 2 | My process: I go through from beginning to end on each draft, as though I was reading it. Because that is what your audience will do. 1st Draft - General ideas and flow. He did this. He said this. She responded this way. They went here because of this. 2nd Draft - Filling out details, fixing massive errors, changing, modifying, adding, deleting to improve flow and ideas. 3rd Draft - Grammar pass. Fix obvious errors via spell-check and find/replace, then comb through for structure error. 4th Draft - Final content pass. Writing should look basically complete. The last of the bad stuff will now stand out far better against the good stuff. This will either be the least intensive or the most intensive pass, depending on how well the first and second drafts went. Ready for Editor OR If Self-Publishing 5th Draft - Truth pass. Read this as someone who has just purchased your novel. Disband your love, affection, and feelings for your work. They are liars. Instead - consult the great works that inspired you, and reference THOSE as you comb through. Is this work true to what inspired you? Is this worthy of someone's time? Oh look, something you forgot to capitalize! This pass is to confront your personal bias. If you don't confront and try to sideline your personal connection to the material, you end up with just another vanity project that no one was there to tell you NO, for. This pass is best performed with a trusted colleague who knows how to give fair criticism. Not a friend or family member. It can be done alone, but requires being honest with yourself and confronting that some of even your most beloved ideas might well be bad. | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | 1 | 25,607 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipwgaup | ipv7jt5 | 1,664,146,174 | 1,664,128,604 | 3 | 2 | My process: I go through from beginning to end on each draft, as though I was reading it. Because that is what your audience will do. 1st Draft - General ideas and flow. He did this. He said this. She responded this way. They went here because of this. 2nd Draft - Filling out details, fixing massive errors, changing, modifying, adding, deleting to improve flow and ideas. 3rd Draft - Grammar pass. Fix obvious errors via spell-check and find/replace, then comb through for structure error. 4th Draft - Final content pass. Writing should look basically complete. The last of the bad stuff will now stand out far better against the good stuff. This will either be the least intensive or the most intensive pass, depending on how well the first and second drafts went. Ready for Editor OR If Self-Publishing 5th Draft - Truth pass. Read this as someone who has just purchased your novel. Disband your love, affection, and feelings for your work. They are liars. Instead - consult the great works that inspired you, and reference THOSE as you comb through. Is this work true to what inspired you? Is this worthy of someone's time? Oh look, something you forgot to capitalize! This pass is to confront your personal bias. If you don't confront and try to sideline your personal connection to the material, you end up with just another vanity project that no one was there to tell you NO, for. This pass is best performed with a trusted colleague who knows how to give fair criticism. Not a friend or family member. It can be done alone, but requires being honest with yourself and confronting that some of even your most beloved ideas might well be bad. | I duplicate it and then read it carefully to cut out any unnecessary information I find! | 1 | 17,570 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipwgaup | ipvtqav | 1,664,146,174 | 1,664,136,819 | 3 | 2 | My process: I go through from beginning to end on each draft, as though I was reading it. Because that is what your audience will do. 1st Draft - General ideas and flow. He did this. He said this. She responded this way. They went here because of this. 2nd Draft - Filling out details, fixing massive errors, changing, modifying, adding, deleting to improve flow and ideas. 3rd Draft - Grammar pass. Fix obvious errors via spell-check and find/replace, then comb through for structure error. 4th Draft - Final content pass. Writing should look basically complete. The last of the bad stuff will now stand out far better against the good stuff. This will either be the least intensive or the most intensive pass, depending on how well the first and second drafts went. Ready for Editor OR If Self-Publishing 5th Draft - Truth pass. Read this as someone who has just purchased your novel. Disband your love, affection, and feelings for your work. They are liars. Instead - consult the great works that inspired you, and reference THOSE as you comb through. Is this work true to what inspired you? Is this worthy of someone's time? Oh look, something you forgot to capitalize! This pass is to confront your personal bias. If you don't confront and try to sideline your personal connection to the material, you end up with just another vanity project that no one was there to tell you NO, for. This pass is best performed with a trusted colleague who knows how to give fair criticism. Not a friend or family member. It can be done alone, but requires being honest with yourself and confronting that some of even your most beloved ideas might well be bad. | Like your first draft, but a bit more cohesive and a little less rough around the edges. | 1 | 9,355 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipunbar | ipwsqaz | 1,664,120,567 | 1,664,151,948 | 2 | 3 | My technique is kinda of a slow grind to be honest. I take at least a minute to polish even just one sentence. And I won't move on to the next paragraph till I make sure everything's good and tight. | Stephen King's On Writing book as a full example of a story that is in rough draft form and second draft form. It gives you a good idea of what it looks like. | 0 | 31,381 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipwsqaz | ipv7jt5 | 1,664,151,948 | 1,664,128,604 | 3 | 2 | Stephen King's On Writing book as a full example of a story that is in rough draft form and second draft form. It gives you a good idea of what it looks like. | I duplicate it and then read it carefully to cut out any unnecessary information I find! | 1 | 23,344 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipwsqaz | ipvtqav | 1,664,151,948 | 1,664,136,819 | 3 | 2 | Stephen King's On Writing book as a full example of a story that is in rough draft form and second draft form. It gives you a good idea of what it looks like. | Like your first draft, but a bit more cohesive and a little less rough around the edges. | 1 | 15,129 | 1.5 | ||
xnopd7 | writing_train | 0.93 | what does a second draft LOOK like? curious about this, I’ve seen a bunch of advice about drafting after your manuscript is finished (let it stew, give it a read, take notes, edit) but I’m not sure what the actual editing process looks like. for example, do you read in one go (as any other reader would) without taking notes at all, THEN go back and comb through/add your notes in a separate margin or document? as far as the actual editing goes, do you… - duplicate your manuscript and start adjusting (deleting, rewriting paragraphs, adding in descriptions etc) or - brave the blank page, write new scenes and rewrite the rest - as in, literally retype anything you want from the old draft or - copy/paste whatever you like from the previous version as you go I’m sure there’s more options but those come to mind as jumping off points. any advice at all is welcome! | ipwrf2r | ipwsqaz | 1,664,151,333 | 1,664,151,948 | 2 | 3 | I think some people straight up rewrite it from scratch, but I do a lot of line editing and then address structure and setups Do revisions chapter by chapter. | Stephen King's On Writing book as a full example of a story that is in rough draft form and second draft form. It gives you a good idea of what it looks like. | 0 | 615 | 1.5 |
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