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wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik2y3po | ik2mij9 | 1,660,358,555 | 1,660,353,129 | 53 | 23 | 30mph is extremely too fast for low visibility and heavy rain especially for a new driver…glad no one was seriously hurt, I suggest a defensive driving course, in low visibility and bad weather increase your space cushion to 200ft | How close were you to the car in front of you before you collided? | 1 | 5,426 | 2.304348 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik38h85 | ik2mij9 | 1,660,364,078 | 1,660,353,129 | 25 | 23 | Unfortunately, no judge will look favourably on this. The rules of the road require drivers to drive according to the conditions. You can get a speeding ticket going 30 in a 35 zone if it’s a blizzard outside and the cops think you’re going faster than one should safely travel given the weather. It may seem silly, but it’s because drivers need to keep control of their vehicle at all times. It’s a rough situation, but any judge will say that you should have driven according to the conditions, and you should have had your vehicle’s equipment in safe operating condition. | How close were you to the car in front of you before you collided? | 1 | 10,949 | 1.086957 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik3i103 | ik4b893 | 1,660,370,129 | 1,660,392,651 | 12 | 19 | I wouldn't mention the wipers unless asked. This will likely cost you some money both in a fine and increased insurance. You can go in yourself or look at getting a lawyer. A lawyer may be able to plead down to a lesser offense, but you will have the added expense of the lawyer. | Well you learned two valuable lessons out of this Leave room and slow down, ESPECIALLY in bad weather And you learned to never talk to a judge (and law enforcement) without a lawyer. It sucks but take the L and be happy you and the person you hit are okay | 0 | 22,522 | 1.583333 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik3ildv | ik4b893 | 1,660,370,524 | 1,660,392,651 | 9 | 19 | Unfortunately a rear end collision usually results in the fault being placed on the driver who rear ended. Just because you were going 5 under doesnt mean that you werent driving too fast for the conditions of the road. Where I'm from its not uncommon in the winter time or in inclement weather to get a "driving too fast for conditions" ticket. I know I'm not from NJ but I'd assume the same principal applies. Honestly I'd just take this as a lesson, especially as you are a very young driver. | Well you learned two valuable lessons out of this Leave room and slow down, ESPECIALLY in bad weather And you learned to never talk to a judge (and law enforcement) without a lawyer. It sucks but take the L and be happy you and the person you hit are okay | 0 | 22,127 | 2.111111 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik4b893 | ik39uas | 1,660,392,651 | 1,660,364,870 | 19 | 6 | Well you learned two valuable lessons out of this Leave room and slow down, ESPECIALLY in bad weather And you learned to never talk to a judge (and law enforcement) without a lawyer. It sucks but take the L and be happy you and the person you hit are okay | Pay it, learn from it, move on. Lawyer will be more expensive then the ticket | 1 | 27,781 | 3.166667 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik4b893 | ik47d8h | 1,660,392,651 | 1,660,390,144 | 19 | 7 | Well you learned two valuable lessons out of this Leave room and slow down, ESPECIALLY in bad weather And you learned to never talk to a judge (and law enforcement) without a lawyer. It sucks but take the L and be happy you and the person you hit are okay | Before you plead guilty, I suggest you research whether New Jersey Graduated Driver License program imposes harsher penalties on probationary drivers. Note: It appears that the NJ GDL program does not allow you to plea bargain a ticket that would get you points down to a ticket that does not have points (a common compromise for normal drivers is to agree with the prosecutor to plead guilty to an offense that does not carry points instead of going to trial over a speeding ticket) https://www.nj.gov/lps/hts/downloads/Teen_Driving_Fact_Sheet.pdf So it seems that this means you either plead guilty or plead not guilty and fight it. That decision will be influenced by whether the GDL program will kick your a$$ for getting a ticket at 17. I don't know about NJ, but some states will suspend a probationary driver's license for certain tickets, or make you go back to being supervised by a licensed drivers over 21 etc, etc. Inexperience is a common factor in crashes and is literally why younger drivers get in more crashes. Don't beat yourself up, it's part of life. "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards." - Vernon Sanders Law. Good luck. | 1 | 2,507 | 2.714286 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik3dqzf | ik4b893 | 1,660,367,290 | 1,660,392,651 | 6 | 19 | You double your stopping distance in wet/bad weather it is careless driving. I don't know what's on an American test but if you don't know that your driving instructor definitely failed you maybe get a refresher. Hope your ok though OP | Well you learned two valuable lessons out of this Leave room and slow down, ESPECIALLY in bad weather And you learned to never talk to a judge (and law enforcement) without a lawyer. It sucks but take the L and be happy you and the person you hit are okay | 0 | 25,361 | 3.166667 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik4a5ao | ik4b893 | 1,660,391,987 | 1,660,392,651 | 2 | 19 | Sorry man, you are fully at fault here. You need to keep 3 seconds between the cat in front of you (in dry conditions) and maintain your vehicle. You need to be in control of your vehicle at all times. * Edit- you stated you were driving without insurance. You will need a good lawyer. * | Well you learned two valuable lessons out of this Leave room and slow down, ESPECIALLY in bad weather And you learned to never talk to a judge (and law enforcement) without a lawyer. It sucks but take the L and be happy you and the person you hit are okay | 0 | 664 | 9.5 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik39uas | ik3i103 | 1,660,364,870 | 1,660,370,129 | 6 | 12 | Pay it, learn from it, move on. Lawyer will be more expensive then the ticket | I wouldn't mention the wipers unless asked. This will likely cost you some money both in a fine and increased insurance. You can go in yourself or look at getting a lawyer. A lawyer may be able to plead down to a lesser offense, but you will have the added expense of the lawyer. | 0 | 5,259 | 2 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik3dqzf | ik3i103 | 1,660,367,290 | 1,660,370,129 | 6 | 12 | You double your stopping distance in wet/bad weather it is careless driving. I don't know what's on an American test but if you don't know that your driving instructor definitely failed you maybe get a refresher. Hope your ok though OP | I wouldn't mention the wipers unless asked. This will likely cost you some money both in a fine and increased insurance. You can go in yourself or look at getting a lawyer. A lawyer may be able to plead down to a lesser offense, but you will have the added expense of the lawyer. | 0 | 2,839 | 2 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik39uas | ik3ildv | 1,660,364,870 | 1,660,370,524 | 6 | 9 | Pay it, learn from it, move on. Lawyer will be more expensive then the ticket | Unfortunately a rear end collision usually results in the fault being placed on the driver who rear ended. Just because you were going 5 under doesnt mean that you werent driving too fast for the conditions of the road. Where I'm from its not uncommon in the winter time or in inclement weather to get a "driving too fast for conditions" ticket. I know I'm not from NJ but I'd assume the same principal applies. Honestly I'd just take this as a lesson, especially as you are a very young driver. | 0 | 5,654 | 1.5 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik3dqzf | ik3ildv | 1,660,367,290 | 1,660,370,524 | 6 | 9 | You double your stopping distance in wet/bad weather it is careless driving. I don't know what's on an American test but if you don't know that your driving instructor definitely failed you maybe get a refresher. Hope your ok though OP | Unfortunately a rear end collision usually results in the fault being placed on the driver who rear ended. Just because you were going 5 under doesnt mean that you werent driving too fast for the conditions of the road. Where I'm from its not uncommon in the winter time or in inclement weather to get a "driving too fast for conditions" ticket. I know I'm not from NJ but I'd assume the same principal applies. Honestly I'd just take this as a lesson, especially as you are a very young driver. | 0 | 3,234 | 1.5 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik39uas | ik47d8h | 1,660,364,870 | 1,660,390,144 | 6 | 7 | Pay it, learn from it, move on. Lawyer will be more expensive then the ticket | Before you plead guilty, I suggest you research whether New Jersey Graduated Driver License program imposes harsher penalties on probationary drivers. Note: It appears that the NJ GDL program does not allow you to plea bargain a ticket that would get you points down to a ticket that does not have points (a common compromise for normal drivers is to agree with the prosecutor to plead guilty to an offense that does not carry points instead of going to trial over a speeding ticket) https://www.nj.gov/lps/hts/downloads/Teen_Driving_Fact_Sheet.pdf So it seems that this means you either plead guilty or plead not guilty and fight it. That decision will be influenced by whether the GDL program will kick your a$$ for getting a ticket at 17. I don't know about NJ, but some states will suspend a probationary driver's license for certain tickets, or make you go back to being supervised by a licensed drivers over 21 etc, etc. Inexperience is a common factor in crashes and is literally why younger drivers get in more crashes. Don't beat yourself up, it's part of life. "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards." - Vernon Sanders Law. Good luck. | 0 | 25,274 | 1.166667 |
wn1cfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | I was in an accident and given a careless driving ticket Hey, I’m in New Jersey and a 17 year old driver. Last month I was involved in an accident just after I bought my first car. But here’s why I am posting. Let me explain the story like I would explain it to the judge. I pulled my car on the lot after getting it insurance, I was on my way to Walmart to get a few things for my car. While I was driving it started to downpour. My wipers were on high, however the wipers did need to be replaced and I knew that when buying the car. I was in a 35 going 30 because of the severe weather. I wanted to pull over but had no where to go. After driving in the storm for a few minutes the car in front of my turns on their right signal and starts breaking, I started to break as soon as I saw their lights come on. I gradually pressed harder on the break pedal like normal but I did not slow down or stop. I pressed harder and expected to have a hard stop but again, I did not stop and next thing I know my airbags deployed and I was involved in an accident. When the officer calmed me down and asked me what happened I explained and he said “it honestly sounds like you hydroplaned, keep in mind the roads are the most slippery shortly after it starts to rain”. Should I consider getting a lawyer for this? I was told the judge in this township is super forgiving for first time offenders. One last question, is this something where I can plead guilty or not guilty and be free of charges? Thank you so much in helping work through this stressful situation. | ik47d8h | ik3dqzf | 1,660,390,144 | 1,660,367,290 | 7 | 6 | Before you plead guilty, I suggest you research whether New Jersey Graduated Driver License program imposes harsher penalties on probationary drivers. Note: It appears that the NJ GDL program does not allow you to plea bargain a ticket that would get you points down to a ticket that does not have points (a common compromise for normal drivers is to agree with the prosecutor to plead guilty to an offense that does not carry points instead of going to trial over a speeding ticket) https://www.nj.gov/lps/hts/downloads/Teen_Driving_Fact_Sheet.pdf So it seems that this means you either plead guilty or plead not guilty and fight it. That decision will be influenced by whether the GDL program will kick your a$$ for getting a ticket at 17. I don't know about NJ, but some states will suspend a probationary driver's license for certain tickets, or make you go back to being supervised by a licensed drivers over 21 etc, etc. Inexperience is a common factor in crashes and is literally why younger drivers get in more crashes. Don't beat yourself up, it's part of life. "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards." - Vernon Sanders Law. Good luck. | You double your stopping distance in wet/bad weather it is careless driving. I don't know what's on an American test but if you don't know that your driving instructor definitely failed you maybe get a refresher. Hope your ok though OP | 1 | 22,854 | 1.166667 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1nzgp4 | j1o22oy | 1,672,012,697 | 1,672,014,024 | 155 | 553 | Regular citizens are not legally required to be good samaritans. | So, distant cousin's boyfriend self administered a drug. When symptoms of OD became apparent, cousin tried to prevent others from seeking appropriate medical assistance. Now cousin is trying to blame a witness for boyfriend's condition because cousin thinks the witness MAY have had access to NARCAN. Nope. Witness being married to a police officer does not mean NARCAN was in the residence. Most departments have NARCAN in first aid kits, but those kits stay in the police vehicle. They aren't equipment an officer would take home, like a duty belt. Cousin is fishing and trying to blame someone else even though cousin tried to prevent others from seeking appropriate medical care in a timely manner. | 0 | 1,327 | 3.567742 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1o22oy | j1nwaxa | 1,672,014,024 | 1,672,011,106 | 553 | 28 | So, distant cousin's boyfriend self administered a drug. When symptoms of OD became apparent, cousin tried to prevent others from seeking appropriate medical assistance. Now cousin is trying to blame a witness for boyfriend's condition because cousin thinks the witness MAY have had access to NARCAN. Nope. Witness being married to a police officer does not mean NARCAN was in the residence. Most departments have NARCAN in first aid kits, but those kits stay in the police vehicle. They aren't equipment an officer would take home, like a duty belt. Cousin is fishing and trying to blame someone else even though cousin tried to prevent others from seeking appropriate medical care in a timely manner. | No, not unless you caused them to OD or have begun to render aid. If you begin rendering aid you assume a duty of care to act reasonably to save them. Okay I see this is not taken well by the non-lawyers | 1 | 2,918 | 19.75 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1nwaxa | j1nzgp4 | 1,672,011,106 | 1,672,012,697 | 28 | 155 | No, not unless you caused them to OD or have begun to render aid. If you begin rendering aid you assume a duty of care to act reasonably to save them. Okay I see this is not taken well by the non-lawyers | Regular citizens are not legally required to be good samaritans. | 0 | 1,591 | 5.535714 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1oa1ra | j1o91kc | 1,672,018,261 | 1,672,017,717 | 85 | 35 | No. There is generally NO affirmative duty to aid someone in danger (unless you have a special relationship with them and have assumed that duty, or you’re the one who endangered them in the first place). Technically, you can sit there and watch someone die or be attacked and do nothing. You can NOT do anything to make them worse off, including mislead people into thinking you are helping. But it gets even worse. Legally, sitting back and doing nothing is usually the safest thing to do (liability wise). Because if you try and fail to help someone, you can be held liable for your negligence. There are Good Samaritan laws that attempt (and fail) to protect people from being sued for lifesaving efforts. So if someone tried Narcaning him, and failed, or even injured him, he might sue them. And win. So while I’m not condoning this on moral grounds, legally speaking it’s ideal to only help people if you actually personally care about them or you know they’re unlikely to sue you. | No one there was an EMT/Paramedic on duty, so no one there was liable for providing nasal narcan. | 1 | 544 | 2.428571 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1oa1ra | j1nwaxa | 1,672,018,261 | 1,672,011,106 | 85 | 28 | No. There is generally NO affirmative duty to aid someone in danger (unless you have a special relationship with them and have assumed that duty, or you’re the one who endangered them in the first place). Technically, you can sit there and watch someone die or be attacked and do nothing. You can NOT do anything to make them worse off, including mislead people into thinking you are helping. But it gets even worse. Legally, sitting back and doing nothing is usually the safest thing to do (liability wise). Because if you try and fail to help someone, you can be held liable for your negligence. There are Good Samaritan laws that attempt (and fail) to protect people from being sued for lifesaving efforts. So if someone tried Narcaning him, and failed, or even injured him, he might sue them. And win. So while I’m not condoning this on moral grounds, legally speaking it’s ideal to only help people if you actually personally care about them or you know they’re unlikely to sue you. | No, not unless you caused them to OD or have begun to render aid. If you begin rendering aid you assume a duty of care to act reasonably to save them. Okay I see this is not taken well by the non-lawyers | 1 | 7,155 | 3.035714 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1oxquq | j1o91kc | 1,672,031,758 | 1,672,017,717 | 76 | 35 | You always call 911 even if you administer NARCAN. It’s effects are temporary (30 - 60 min +/-) | No one there was an EMT/Paramedic on duty, so no one there was liable for providing nasal narcan. | 1 | 14,041 | 2.171429 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1nwaxa | j1oxquq | 1,672,011,106 | 1,672,031,758 | 28 | 76 | No, not unless you caused them to OD or have begun to render aid. If you begin rendering aid you assume a duty of care to act reasonably to save them. Okay I see this is not taken well by the non-lawyers | You always call 911 even if you administer NARCAN. It’s effects are temporary (30 - 60 min +/-) | 0 | 20,652 | 2.714286 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1oxquq | j1oi7l9 | 1,672,031,758 | 1,672,022,735 | 76 | 10 | You always call 911 even if you administer NARCAN. It’s effects are temporary (30 - 60 min +/-) | FYI: American Red Cross offers training on Narcan administration as part of the CPR/Standard First Aid series for anyone willing to take the appropriate courses. Training is available both online and in-person, depending on location. Certification is valid for two years. This information is truly life saving, and I personally highly recommended it for all adults/teenagers. | 1 | 9,023 | 7.6 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1o91kc | j1nwaxa | 1,672,017,717 | 1,672,011,106 | 35 | 28 | No one there was an EMT/Paramedic on duty, so no one there was liable for providing nasal narcan. | No, not unless you caused them to OD or have begun to render aid. If you begin rendering aid you assume a duty of care to act reasonably to save them. Okay I see this is not taken well by the non-lawyers | 1 | 6,611 | 1.25 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1nwaxa | j1pb0ey | 1,672,011,106 | 1,672,041,918 | 28 | 33 | No, not unless you caused them to OD or have begun to render aid. If you begin rendering aid you assume a duty of care to act reasonably to save them. Okay I see this is not taken well by the non-lawyers | The hostess is not responsible for using narcan on anyone. 911 should have been immediately so at least someone didn’t listen to the cousin. | 0 | 30,812 | 1.178571 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1pb0ey | j1oi7l9 | 1,672,041,918 | 1,672,022,735 | 33 | 10 | The hostess is not responsible for using narcan on anyone. 911 should have been immediately so at least someone didn’t listen to the cousin. | FYI: American Red Cross offers training on Narcan administration as part of the CPR/Standard First Aid series for anyone willing to take the appropriate courses. Training is available both online and in-person, depending on location. Certification is valid for two years. This information is truly life saving, and I personally highly recommended it for all adults/teenagers. | 1 | 19,183 | 3.3 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1oi7l9 | j1qm96z | 1,672,022,735 | 1,672,073,763 | 10 | 14 | FYI: American Red Cross offers training on Narcan administration as part of the CPR/Standard First Aid series for anyone willing to take the appropriate courses. Training is available both online and in-person, depending on location. Certification is valid for two years. This information is truly life saving, and I personally highly recommended it for all adults/teenagers. | Her husbands NARCAN is not her NARCAN. Just because you are married to a LEO doesn’t extend their abilities to you | 0 | 51,028 | 1.4 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1qm96z | j1pg1hg | 1,672,073,763 | 1,672,046,545 | 14 | 9 | Her husbands NARCAN is not her NARCAN. Just because you are married to a LEO doesn’t extend their abilities to you | Not a lawyer - Your friend had no duty of care. Any duty that may (emphasis on may) have existed was met when 911 was called, especially with their cousin discouraging such a life-saving act. There are no grounds for a lawsuit here. That being said, anyone can sue anyone for any/no reason. If your friend is sued, they need to hire a lawyer who will file a motion to dismiss. | 1 | 27,218 | 1.555556 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1q6l4k | j1qm96z | 1,672,066,424 | 1,672,073,763 | 4 | 14 | Yes, they can sue you. In the US you can sue anyone for practically anything. Also, no, they will not win. And it is more likely that they will land in criminal trouble because of it. In order for them to file a suit, they are going to have to explain the situation and then sign the affidavit saying that everything is true. It is highly, highly, highly probable that they will not tell the whole story or that they will twist the facts. If they threaten to sue you just say "you know, that is probably a really bad idea because you probably don't want to be sitting in front of a judge trying to explain all this to them. You may put yourself in a position of having to choose between jail for perjury or jail for your friend on drug charges." I'm not a lawyer but I can tell you that a.) people can sue you for anything, b.) those types that threaten you rarely ever sue and, most importantly, c.) if they do try, they will typically have the case thrown out very quickly. Remember that to sue you they would need to pay a lawyer up front. The idea of a lawyer taking something like this is crazy and the thought of doing it on a contingency is even crazier. Your friend is blowing smoke. Block and ignore them. | Her husbands NARCAN is not her NARCAN. Just because you are married to a LEO doesn’t extend their abilities to you | 0 | 7,339 | 3.5 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1qq15a | j1qp4ot | 1,672,075,430 | 1,672,075,038 | 7 | 5 | Not a lawyer The host was not responsible for the actions of the boyfriend. It is not the hosts responsibility to monitor drug use and watch for signs of overdose. That is something you do in the hospital. Even then you only monitor for signs of od. I believe the gf was just trying to pin it on someone other than the bf for a coping mechanism. In the future I would not invites these 2 to any future parties because this will continue to happen over and over again. | There’s no legal liability here, particularly because you were not informed of what he was taking. It could’ve been an overdose of something not opioid related, or it could’ve been multiple drugs in his system. A lay person is never obligated to render medical aid | 1 | 392 | 1.4 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1qq15a | j1q6l4k | 1,672,075,430 | 1,672,066,424 | 7 | 4 | Not a lawyer The host was not responsible for the actions of the boyfriend. It is not the hosts responsibility to monitor drug use and watch for signs of overdose. That is something you do in the hospital. Even then you only monitor for signs of od. I believe the gf was just trying to pin it on someone other than the bf for a coping mechanism. In the future I would not invites these 2 to any future parties because this will continue to happen over and over again. | Yes, they can sue you. In the US you can sue anyone for practically anything. Also, no, they will not win. And it is more likely that they will land in criminal trouble because of it. In order for them to file a suit, they are going to have to explain the situation and then sign the affidavit saying that everything is true. It is highly, highly, highly probable that they will not tell the whole story or that they will twist the facts. If they threaten to sue you just say "you know, that is probably a really bad idea because you probably don't want to be sitting in front of a judge trying to explain all this to them. You may put yourself in a position of having to choose between jail for perjury or jail for your friend on drug charges." I'm not a lawyer but I can tell you that a.) people can sue you for anything, b.) those types that threaten you rarely ever sue and, most importantly, c.) if they do try, they will typically have the case thrown out very quickly. Remember that to sue you they would need to pay a lawyer up front. The idea of a lawyer taking something like this is crazy and the thought of doing it on a contingency is even crazier. Your friend is blowing smoke. Block and ignore them. | 1 | 9,006 | 1.75 |
zv954x | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | [TX] Do we as regular citizens have a duty to use NARCAN on someone ODing? I am posting this for a friend; I’m just adjacently involved by way of being there. We had a Christmas party yesterday, attended by several friends, family, and their significant others. A distant cousin came by with her boyfriend we had met before briefly but know nothing about. Turns out he is some sort of high functioning druggie. I think y’all see where this is going. Halfway through the party, this dude starts showing obvious symptoms of an overdose. We were all shocked because nobody in our family or friend group uses drugs, even marijuana. The cousin immediately knew what was going on by her reaction. She was also adamant that we do NOT call 911. A few minutes passed but then someone rightfully called 911. The ambulance arrived in about 15-20 mins, alongside police. They were shuttled to the hospital and the party was basically over. Today the cousin is frantically texting and emailing the host of the party claiming she is responsible for the condition her boyfriend is in because she didn’t use NARCAN on him. This host’s husband is a police officer and carries NARCAN. He was NOT present but the host (my friend) had access to his work gear and my cousin somehow knows about it or perhaps is fishing. The druggie is apparently in critical condition, unclear if he’ll make it. My friend was rightfully upset and told the cousin to get f**ked for bringing a druggie into her house and ruining the party. I already told her to stop communicating with this cousin; she has. Cousin is saying that the host had time (20mins) to grab the NARCAN but chose not to. What’s the play here? Does the cousin have any grounds to sue my friend for inaction or wrongful death if he dies? Sorry if this isn’t the right lingo. Thank you. | j1q6l4k | j1qp4ot | 1,672,066,424 | 1,672,075,038 | 4 | 5 | Yes, they can sue you. In the US you can sue anyone for practically anything. Also, no, they will not win. And it is more likely that they will land in criminal trouble because of it. In order for them to file a suit, they are going to have to explain the situation and then sign the affidavit saying that everything is true. It is highly, highly, highly probable that they will not tell the whole story or that they will twist the facts. If they threaten to sue you just say "you know, that is probably a really bad idea because you probably don't want to be sitting in front of a judge trying to explain all this to them. You may put yourself in a position of having to choose between jail for perjury or jail for your friend on drug charges." I'm not a lawyer but I can tell you that a.) people can sue you for anything, b.) those types that threaten you rarely ever sue and, most importantly, c.) if they do try, they will typically have the case thrown out very quickly. Remember that to sue you they would need to pay a lawyer up front. The idea of a lawyer taking something like this is crazy and the thought of doing it on a contingency is even crazier. Your friend is blowing smoke. Block and ignore them. | There’s no legal liability here, particularly because you were not informed of what he was taking. It could’ve been an overdose of something not opioid related, or it could’ve been multiple drugs in his system. A lay person is never obligated to render medical aid | 0 | 8,614 | 1.25 |
91fcda | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Friend forks over ~$3,000 to move into a house. Turns out the girl she paid was actually a tenant who posed as the owner of the residence. She disappeared. My friend has to move out of her current residence tomorrow. The title says it all. The first payment was for a security deposit and first few months' rent, made in person. The person has supposedly done the same thing to several other people in the area. My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. Most of the correspondence was done via text message. What should she do first? This is in Florida. | e2xnbri | e2xn15i | 1,532,420,556 | 1,532,419,989 | 353 | 35 | > My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. The police are mistaken. This is felony fraud. Ask for a police supervisor. | > What should she do first? File a small claims suit against the scammer. Or did your friend pay cash? | 1 | 567 | 10.085714 |
91fcda | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Friend forks over ~$3,000 to move into a house. Turns out the girl she paid was actually a tenant who posed as the owner of the residence. She disappeared. My friend has to move out of her current residence tomorrow. The title says it all. The first payment was for a security deposit and first few months' rent, made in person. The person has supposedly done the same thing to several other people in the area. My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. Most of the correspondence was done via text message. What should she do first? This is in Florida. | e2xnbri | e2xn8aj | 1,532,420,556 | 1,532,420,373 | 353 | 20 | > My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. The police are mistaken. This is felony fraud. Ask for a police supervisor. | Not a lawyer. First thing is to move out of the apartment; your friend does *not* want an eviction on her record. The next thing would be to sue the person she gave the money to in small claims court. If she wins, your friend gets the joy of tying to collect on the judgement. Hint: people who have scammed multiple people out of thousands of dollars each tend not to have in the way of money or assets. The good news is that generally judgements are good for ten years and can often be renewed. So if the previous tenant gets their act together or comes into some money, your friend may be able to recoup their losses. | 1 | 183 | 17.65 |
91fcda | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Friend forks over ~$3,000 to move into a house. Turns out the girl she paid was actually a tenant who posed as the owner of the residence. She disappeared. My friend has to move out of her current residence tomorrow. The title says it all. The first payment was for a security deposit and first few months' rent, made in person. The person has supposedly done the same thing to several other people in the area. My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. Most of the correspondence was done via text message. What should she do first? This is in Florida. | e2xnbri | e2xm05y | 1,532,420,556 | 1,532,418,025 | 353 | 3 | > My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. The police are mistaken. This is felony fraud. Ask for a police supervisor. | ---
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91fcda | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Friend forks over ~$3,000 to move into a house. Turns out the girl she paid was actually a tenant who posed as the owner of the residence. She disappeared. My friend has to move out of her current residence tomorrow. The title says it all. The first payment was for a security deposit and first few months' rent, made in person. The person has supposedly done the same thing to several other people in the area. My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. Most of the correspondence was done via text message. What should she do first? This is in Florida. | e2ycru0 | e2xn15i | 1,532,451,180 | 1,532,419,989 | 52 | 35 | If the scammer had been at some point a legitimate renter see if you can work with the real owner to get their information. If they ever paid rent by check they would have bank records (in the form of deposited checks...) Also, for $3,000 this doesn't sound like a dump... hope the owners at least required an application with a cursory background / credit / rental history check when they moved in.... you MAY have to file a lawsuit to force discovery of that information, but you can always just ask for it first. | > What should she do first? File a small claims suit against the scammer. Or did your friend pay cash? | 1 | 31,191 | 1.485714 |
91fcda | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Friend forks over ~$3,000 to move into a house. Turns out the girl she paid was actually a tenant who posed as the owner of the residence. She disappeared. My friend has to move out of her current residence tomorrow. The title says it all. The first payment was for a security deposit and first few months' rent, made in person. The person has supposedly done the same thing to several other people in the area. My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. Most of the correspondence was done via text message. What should she do first? This is in Florida. | e2xn8aj | e2ycru0 | 1,532,420,373 | 1,532,451,180 | 20 | 52 | Not a lawyer. First thing is to move out of the apartment; your friend does *not* want an eviction on her record. The next thing would be to sue the person she gave the money to in small claims court. If she wins, your friend gets the joy of tying to collect on the judgement. Hint: people who have scammed multiple people out of thousands of dollars each tend not to have in the way of money or assets. The good news is that generally judgements are good for ten years and can often be renewed. So if the previous tenant gets their act together or comes into some money, your friend may be able to recoup their losses. | If the scammer had been at some point a legitimate renter see if you can work with the real owner to get their information. If they ever paid rent by check they would have bank records (in the form of deposited checks...) Also, for $3,000 this doesn't sound like a dump... hope the owners at least required an application with a cursory background / credit / rental history check when they moved in.... you MAY have to file a lawsuit to force discovery of that information, but you can always just ask for it first. | 0 | 30,807 | 2.6 |
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Title: **Friend forks over ~$3,000 to move into a house. Turns out the girl she paid was actually a tenant who posed as the owner of the residence. She disappeared. My friend has to move out of her current residence tomorrow.**
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> The title says it all. The first payment was for a security deposit and first few months' rent, made in person. The person has supposedly done the same thing to several other people in the area. My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. Most of the correspondence was done via text message. What should she do first?
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91fcda | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Friend forks over ~$3,000 to move into a house. Turns out the girl she paid was actually a tenant who posed as the owner of the residence. She disappeared. My friend has to move out of her current residence tomorrow. The title says it all. The first payment was for a security deposit and first few months' rent, made in person. The person has supposedly done the same thing to several other people in the area. My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. Most of the correspondence was done via text message. What should she do first? This is in Florida. | e2xm05y | e2xn8aj | 1,532,418,025 | 1,532,420,373 | 3 | 20 | ---
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Title: **Friend forks over ~$3,000 to move into a house. Turns out the girl she paid was actually a tenant who posed as the owner of the residence. She disappeared. My friend has to move out of her current residence tomorrow.**
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> The title says it all. The first payment was for a security deposit and first few months' rent, made in person. The person has supposedly done the same thing to several other people in the area. My friend was told by police that this issue is a civil matter. Most of the correspondence was done via text message. What should she do first?
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LocationBot 4.0 | GitHub (Coming Soon) | Statistics | Report Issues | Not a lawyer. First thing is to move out of the apartment; your friend does *not* want an eviction on her record. The next thing would be to sue the person she gave the money to in small claims court. If she wins, your friend gets the joy of tying to collect on the judgement. Hint: people who have scammed multiple people out of thousands of dollars each tend not to have in the way of money or assets. The good news is that generally judgements are good for ten years and can often be renewed. So if the previous tenant gets their act together or comes into some money, your friend may be able to recoup their losses. | 0 | 2,348 | 6.666667 |
7c2xvs | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbor's kid got hurt jumping over my fence. My fence is in good order and so is the grass beneath it, the jump itself is what hurt him. Father is irate. Need specifics on what to do. I woke up at 5AM this morning to screaming. My neighbor's son, who is 13, tried to get over my 8 foot privacy fence. He used a ladder on the outside of the fence and then jumped the 8 feet down. He landed badly and broke his leg. His leg was visibly broken so I called an ambulance. I asked him to tell me his parents' phone number so I could call them but he refused to give it and I didn't want to leave him alone in my yard with a broken leg so I waited until they arrived. A police car showed up first and they did not want me to leave so one officer went to get his parents and the other stayed with us. The parents got over just as he was being put in the ambulance out front and the first officer was writing down what happened with me out back. His parents went in the ambulance with him and the police told me they would contact me if they needed anymore information. So I never spoke directly with the parents. The receptionist at my workplace said that he showed up looking for me this morning just after 8. She said he was visibly angry, swearing and implying that she was "hiding" me from him (I was just not there). He identified himself by name and told her to send me the message that I should man up and find him before he finds me. They said he also specifically brought up that he went to my house and I have locked my gate, so he can't get in to see where his son fell. They will be calling the police if he comes back. I am hoping for answers about the following questions that I have. 1. Based on the account from work, the father seemed extremely angry, even for the circumstances, and even a vague threat is still worrisome. I was planning to talk to the police this afternoon and inform them of what happened at my workplace. Unless there is any reason I should not do that? 2. I am intending to contact my homeowners insurance this afternoon and alert them to the situation. Also want to confirm that's the right move. 3. As I said he specifically brought up the fact that when I left my house after all this, I locked the gate. There was not a special reason for this, I just keep it locked all the time and saw no reason not to, the police had not mentioned anything about coming back for any reason. If the child's father does want to look inside my yard at the area where he fell, should I let him, or should I not? And on that note, should I talk to him in general or should I be going straight to have everything go through a lawyer? Thank you for any input you might have. I think there's a firm grip on this, I just want to make sure my plan is right and I'm not setting myself up for anything here. Edit: Florida | dpn5fbn | dpn6663 | 1,510,355,123 | 1,510,356,074 | 86 | 323 | I am not a lawyer but i am surprised no one else has mentioned so far that people trespassing on your property does not necessarily relieve you of any liability. It’s ridiculous and goes against all common sense, i know, so please don’t downvote me for that reason. Does anyone have links to law libraries that can reference rulings from cases of this type? | If I were you I’d call the police and tell that this man showed up to your work visibly angry and looking to fight with you. Then he went on your private property and attempted to access your yard without your permission. Lastly, if you can afford it, get a lawyer and discuss the possibility of a restraining order. You seem like a level headed person and I think you might be downplaying the seriousness of what this man is doing. Normal people don’t act like that. | 0 | 951 | 3.755814 |
7c2xvs | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbor's kid got hurt jumping over my fence. My fence is in good order and so is the grass beneath it, the jump itself is what hurt him. Father is irate. Need specifics on what to do. I woke up at 5AM this morning to screaming. My neighbor's son, who is 13, tried to get over my 8 foot privacy fence. He used a ladder on the outside of the fence and then jumped the 8 feet down. He landed badly and broke his leg. His leg was visibly broken so I called an ambulance. I asked him to tell me his parents' phone number so I could call them but he refused to give it and I didn't want to leave him alone in my yard with a broken leg so I waited until they arrived. A police car showed up first and they did not want me to leave so one officer went to get his parents and the other stayed with us. The parents got over just as he was being put in the ambulance out front and the first officer was writing down what happened with me out back. His parents went in the ambulance with him and the police told me they would contact me if they needed anymore information. So I never spoke directly with the parents. The receptionist at my workplace said that he showed up looking for me this morning just after 8. She said he was visibly angry, swearing and implying that she was "hiding" me from him (I was just not there). He identified himself by name and told her to send me the message that I should man up and find him before he finds me. They said he also specifically brought up that he went to my house and I have locked my gate, so he can't get in to see where his son fell. They will be calling the police if he comes back. I am hoping for answers about the following questions that I have. 1. Based on the account from work, the father seemed extremely angry, even for the circumstances, and even a vague threat is still worrisome. I was planning to talk to the police this afternoon and inform them of what happened at my workplace. Unless there is any reason I should not do that? 2. I am intending to contact my homeowners insurance this afternoon and alert them to the situation. Also want to confirm that's the right move. 3. As I said he specifically brought up the fact that when I left my house after all this, I locked the gate. There was not a special reason for this, I just keep it locked all the time and saw no reason not to, the police had not mentioned anything about coming back for any reason. If the child's father does want to look inside my yard at the area where he fell, should I let him, or should I not? And on that note, should I talk to him in general or should I be going straight to have everything go through a lawyer? Thank you for any input you might have. I think there's a firm grip on this, I just want to make sure my plan is right and I'm not setting myself up for anything here. Edit: Florida | dpn8bg6 | dpn5fbn | 1,510,358,879 | 1,510,355,123 | 306 | 86 | I'd call the police again. His son broke his leg while trying to trespass and he is now showing up to your work and acting hostile with the receptionist. | I am not a lawyer but i am surprised no one else has mentioned so far that people trespassing on your property does not necessarily relieve you of any liability. It’s ridiculous and goes against all common sense, i know, so please don’t downvote me for that reason. Does anyone have links to law libraries that can reference rulings from cases of this type? | 1 | 3,756 | 3.55814 |
7c2xvs | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbor's kid got hurt jumping over my fence. My fence is in good order and so is the grass beneath it, the jump itself is what hurt him. Father is irate. Need specifics on what to do. I woke up at 5AM this morning to screaming. My neighbor's son, who is 13, tried to get over my 8 foot privacy fence. He used a ladder on the outside of the fence and then jumped the 8 feet down. He landed badly and broke his leg. His leg was visibly broken so I called an ambulance. I asked him to tell me his parents' phone number so I could call them but he refused to give it and I didn't want to leave him alone in my yard with a broken leg so I waited until they arrived. A police car showed up first and they did not want me to leave so one officer went to get his parents and the other stayed with us. The parents got over just as he was being put in the ambulance out front and the first officer was writing down what happened with me out back. His parents went in the ambulance with him and the police told me they would contact me if they needed anymore information. So I never spoke directly with the parents. The receptionist at my workplace said that he showed up looking for me this morning just after 8. She said he was visibly angry, swearing and implying that she was "hiding" me from him (I was just not there). He identified himself by name and told her to send me the message that I should man up and find him before he finds me. They said he also specifically brought up that he went to my house and I have locked my gate, so he can't get in to see where his son fell. They will be calling the police if he comes back. I am hoping for answers about the following questions that I have. 1. Based on the account from work, the father seemed extremely angry, even for the circumstances, and even a vague threat is still worrisome. I was planning to talk to the police this afternoon and inform them of what happened at my workplace. Unless there is any reason I should not do that? 2. I am intending to contact my homeowners insurance this afternoon and alert them to the situation. Also want to confirm that's the right move. 3. As I said he specifically brought up the fact that when I left my house after all this, I locked the gate. There was not a special reason for this, I just keep it locked all the time and saw no reason not to, the police had not mentioned anything about coming back for any reason. If the child's father does want to look inside my yard at the area where he fell, should I let him, or should I not? And on that note, should I talk to him in general or should I be going straight to have everything go through a lawyer? Thank you for any input you might have. I think there's a firm grip on this, I just want to make sure my plan is right and I'm not setting myself up for anything here. Edit: Florida | dpnbl8n | dpnb6ty | 1,510,363,363 | 1,510,362,797 | 227 | 135 | If your fence is in good order- and you did not do anything to make it treacherous, or done anything out of the ordinary to make the fence dangerous, then you have not done anything wrong. That dad wants to look in your yard to see if your fence is out of the ordinary and to try to pin liability on you. Keep him out of it. | I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this especially since you're in Florida. What are the contents of your backyard? This is significant in Florida because the state has adopted the attractive nuisance doctrine for trespassing minors. | 1 | 566 | 1.681481 |
7c2xvs | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbor's kid got hurt jumping over my fence. My fence is in good order and so is the grass beneath it, the jump itself is what hurt him. Father is irate. Need specifics on what to do. I woke up at 5AM this morning to screaming. My neighbor's son, who is 13, tried to get over my 8 foot privacy fence. He used a ladder on the outside of the fence and then jumped the 8 feet down. He landed badly and broke his leg. His leg was visibly broken so I called an ambulance. I asked him to tell me his parents' phone number so I could call them but he refused to give it and I didn't want to leave him alone in my yard with a broken leg so I waited until they arrived. A police car showed up first and they did not want me to leave so one officer went to get his parents and the other stayed with us. The parents got over just as he was being put in the ambulance out front and the first officer was writing down what happened with me out back. His parents went in the ambulance with him and the police told me they would contact me if they needed anymore information. So I never spoke directly with the parents. The receptionist at my workplace said that he showed up looking for me this morning just after 8. She said he was visibly angry, swearing and implying that she was "hiding" me from him (I was just not there). He identified himself by name and told her to send me the message that I should man up and find him before he finds me. They said he also specifically brought up that he went to my house and I have locked my gate, so he can't get in to see where his son fell. They will be calling the police if he comes back. I am hoping for answers about the following questions that I have. 1. Based on the account from work, the father seemed extremely angry, even for the circumstances, and even a vague threat is still worrisome. I was planning to talk to the police this afternoon and inform them of what happened at my workplace. Unless there is any reason I should not do that? 2. I am intending to contact my homeowners insurance this afternoon and alert them to the situation. Also want to confirm that's the right move. 3. As I said he specifically brought up the fact that when I left my house after all this, I locked the gate. There was not a special reason for this, I just keep it locked all the time and saw no reason not to, the police had not mentioned anything about coming back for any reason. If the child's father does want to look inside my yard at the area where he fell, should I let him, or should I not? And on that note, should I talk to him in general or should I be going straight to have everything go through a lawyer? Thank you for any input you might have. I think there's a firm grip on this, I just want to make sure my plan is right and I'm not setting myself up for anything here. Edit: Florida | dpn5fbn | dpnbl8n | 1,510,355,123 | 1,510,363,363 | 86 | 227 | I am not a lawyer but i am surprised no one else has mentioned so far that people trespassing on your property does not necessarily relieve you of any liability. It’s ridiculous and goes against all common sense, i know, so please don’t downvote me for that reason. Does anyone have links to law libraries that can reference rulings from cases of this type? | If your fence is in good order- and you did not do anything to make it treacherous, or done anything out of the ordinary to make the fence dangerous, then you have not done anything wrong. That dad wants to look in your yard to see if your fence is out of the ordinary and to try to pin liability on you. Keep him out of it. | 0 | 8,240 | 2.639535 |
7c2xvs | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Neighbor's kid got hurt jumping over my fence. My fence is in good order and so is the grass beneath it, the jump itself is what hurt him. Father is irate. Need specifics on what to do. I woke up at 5AM this morning to screaming. My neighbor's son, who is 13, tried to get over my 8 foot privacy fence. He used a ladder on the outside of the fence and then jumped the 8 feet down. He landed badly and broke his leg. His leg was visibly broken so I called an ambulance. I asked him to tell me his parents' phone number so I could call them but he refused to give it and I didn't want to leave him alone in my yard with a broken leg so I waited until they arrived. A police car showed up first and they did not want me to leave so one officer went to get his parents and the other stayed with us. The parents got over just as he was being put in the ambulance out front and the first officer was writing down what happened with me out back. His parents went in the ambulance with him and the police told me they would contact me if they needed anymore information. So I never spoke directly with the parents. The receptionist at my workplace said that he showed up looking for me this morning just after 8. She said he was visibly angry, swearing and implying that she was "hiding" me from him (I was just not there). He identified himself by name and told her to send me the message that I should man up and find him before he finds me. They said he also specifically brought up that he went to my house and I have locked my gate, so he can't get in to see where his son fell. They will be calling the police if he comes back. I am hoping for answers about the following questions that I have. 1. Based on the account from work, the father seemed extremely angry, even for the circumstances, and even a vague threat is still worrisome. I was planning to talk to the police this afternoon and inform them of what happened at my workplace. Unless there is any reason I should not do that? 2. I am intending to contact my homeowners insurance this afternoon and alert them to the situation. Also want to confirm that's the right move. 3. As I said he specifically brought up the fact that when I left my house after all this, I locked the gate. There was not a special reason for this, I just keep it locked all the time and saw no reason not to, the police had not mentioned anything about coming back for any reason. If the child's father does want to look inside my yard at the area where he fell, should I let him, or should I not? And on that note, should I talk to him in general or should I be going straight to have everything go through a lawyer? Thank you for any input you might have. I think there's a firm grip on this, I just want to make sure my plan is right and I'm not setting myself up for anything here. Edit: Florida | dpn5fbn | dpnb6ty | 1,510,355,123 | 1,510,362,797 | 86 | 135 | I am not a lawyer but i am surprised no one else has mentioned so far that people trespassing on your property does not necessarily relieve you of any liability. It’s ridiculous and goes against all common sense, i know, so please don’t downvote me for that reason. Does anyone have links to law libraries that can reference rulings from cases of this type? | I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this especially since you're in Florida. What are the contents of your backyard? This is significant in Florida because the state has adopted the attractive nuisance doctrine for trespassing minors. | 0 | 7,674 | 1.569767 |
3j0ek2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | A neighbor's kid jumped over our fence and climbed a tree in my backyard. He fell from tree and broke his arm. Now parents are demanding that I should pay for medical expenses. Is it my fault that their child trespassed in my backyard and fell from tree? They're demanding $100,000 for injuries, my Homeowner's Insurance would only cover $50,000 for 3rd party injuries. I'm not sure If I should pay rest of $50,000 out of my pocket. Edit: Location, West Virginia. | cul88yb | cul8m1m | 1,440,976,038 | 1,440,976,714 | 22 | 132 | If you have $50,000 to pay out of pocket, you can afford to talk to a lawyer in person about this. There is nearly no way that the damages will exceed the 50k your insurance will cover. | Call the police and file a report for the trespass. Then call you homeowner's insurance. | 0 | 676 | 6 |
3j0ek2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | A neighbor's kid jumped over our fence and climbed a tree in my backyard. He fell from tree and broke his arm. Now parents are demanding that I should pay for medical expenses. Is it my fault that their child trespassed in my backyard and fell from tree? They're demanding $100,000 for injuries, my Homeowner's Insurance would only cover $50,000 for 3rd party injuries. I'm not sure If I should pay rest of $50,000 out of my pocket. Edit: Location, West Virginia. | cul88yb | cul9fwa | 1,440,976,038 | 1,440,978,341 | 22 | 90 | If you have $50,000 to pay out of pocket, you can afford to talk to a lawyer in person about this. There is nearly no way that the damages will exceed the 50k your insurance will cover. | The number they're quoting is absurd. Unless he required surgery, his medical bills should be a couple thousand dollars, not even tens of thousands, and certainly nowhere close to $100K. Even if he did need surgery, we'd be talking lowish tens (Source). Call your insurer, and let them handle this. | 0 | 2,303 | 4.090909 |
3j0ek2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | A neighbor's kid jumped over our fence and climbed a tree in my backyard. He fell from tree and broke his arm. Now parents are demanding that I should pay for medical expenses. Is it my fault that their child trespassed in my backyard and fell from tree? They're demanding $100,000 for injuries, my Homeowner's Insurance would only cover $50,000 for 3rd party injuries. I'm not sure If I should pay rest of $50,000 out of my pocket. Edit: Location, West Virginia. | cula4tr | cul88yb | 1,440,979,687 | 1,440,976,038 | 48 | 22 | The advice to notify your insurer is good advice. Partly because they will pay for a lawyer to defend you in the lawsuit, but also because failure to notify the insurer promptly could give them a basis for not defending you. Until then, don't talk to the neighbors or their lawyer about the case, don't admit anything, and don't pay them anything. As to whether there is a basis for a lawsuit against you: Maybe. I don't know the law in WV, but the traditional legal rule has been that a property owner may be liable for harm to a trespasser, especially a child, if a reasonable person would have taken precautions. Example: having a backyard pool without a fence. It depends on the facts of a specific case, and I would only be guessing. The good news is that you have insurance, and they will take care of it. That's what insurance is for! | If you have $50,000 to pay out of pocket, you can afford to talk to a lawyer in person about this. There is nearly no way that the damages will exceed the 50k your insurance will cover. | 1 | 3,649 | 2.181818 |
3j0ek2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | A neighbor's kid jumped over our fence and climbed a tree in my backyard. He fell from tree and broke his arm. Now parents are demanding that I should pay for medical expenses. Is it my fault that their child trespassed in my backyard and fell from tree? They're demanding $100,000 for injuries, my Homeowner's Insurance would only cover $50,000 for 3rd party injuries. I'm not sure If I should pay rest of $50,000 out of my pocket. Edit: Location, West Virginia. | culb9re | cul88yb | 1,440,981,989 | 1,440,976,038 | 34 | 22 | If you have not turned this into your homeowners insurance company do so immediately. They will provide a lawyer to defend you even if the demand exceeds policy limits. There are all sorts of things that happen when there is a policy limit demand and insurance lawyers know how to respond. I know. I am an insurance lawyer but not in West VA. Do not rely to your neighbors. Let the carrier or the lawyer do that. I am not in West VA. Each state differs on liability for this sort of thing. One question will be attractive nuisance, some outcomes depend on how old the kid is, whether he has done it before, whether you know it has been done before by others and whether you objected or stopped it before. But this is stuff a West VA insurance lawyer lives and breathes. You paid the premium. Use them. | If you have $50,000 to pay out of pocket, you can afford to talk to a lawyer in person about this. There is nearly no way that the damages will exceed the 50k your insurance will cover. | 1 | 5,951 | 1.545455 |
3j0ek2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | A neighbor's kid jumped over our fence and climbed a tree in my backyard. He fell from tree and broke his arm. Now parents are demanding that I should pay for medical expenses. Is it my fault that their child trespassed in my backyard and fell from tree? They're demanding $100,000 for injuries, my Homeowner's Insurance would only cover $50,000 for 3rd party injuries. I'm not sure If I should pay rest of $50,000 out of my pocket. Edit: Location, West Virginia. | culb9re | culaznf | 1,440,981,989 | 1,440,981,388 | 34 | 8 | If you have not turned this into your homeowners insurance company do so immediately. They will provide a lawyer to defend you even if the demand exceeds policy limits. There are all sorts of things that happen when there is a policy limit demand and insurance lawyers know how to respond. I know. I am an insurance lawyer but not in West VA. Do not rely to your neighbors. Let the carrier or the lawyer do that. I am not in West VA. Each state differs on liability for this sort of thing. One question will be attractive nuisance, some outcomes depend on how old the kid is, whether he has done it before, whether you know it has been done before by others and whether you objected or stopped it before. But this is stuff a West VA insurance lawyer lives and breathes. You paid the premium. Use them. | This seems like some sort of a scam. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they told him to go into your backyard and staged the injury. Tell them that you will pay them nothing, and that you will report him to the police for trespassing if they bother you about it. Then notify your homeowner's insurance. | 1 | 601 | 4.25 |
3j0ek2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | A neighbor's kid jumped over our fence and climbed a tree in my backyard. He fell from tree and broke his arm. Now parents are demanding that I should pay for medical expenses. Is it my fault that their child trespassed in my backyard and fell from tree? They're demanding $100,000 for injuries, my Homeowner's Insurance would only cover $50,000 for 3rd party injuries. I'm not sure If I should pay rest of $50,000 out of my pocket. Edit: Location, West Virginia. | culaznf | culdq26 | 1,440,981,388 | 1,440,986,415 | 8 | 15 | This seems like some sort of a scam. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they told him to go into your backyard and staged the injury. Tell them that you will pay them nothing, and that you will report him to the police for trespassing if they bother you about it. Then notify your homeowner's insurance. | As others have recommended contact your insurance, they will represent you. I can't believe how some people are. I would be ashamed of myself if my child ran away into aomeones yard and broke his/her arm. It shows a complete lack of parenting and to hold YOU responsible? My mind is boggled. | 0 | 5,027 | 1.875 |
3j0ek2 | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | A neighbor's kid jumped over our fence and climbed a tree in my backyard. He fell from tree and broke his arm. Now parents are demanding that I should pay for medical expenses. Is it my fault that their child trespassed in my backyard and fell from tree? They're demanding $100,000 for injuries, my Homeowner's Insurance would only cover $50,000 for 3rd party injuries. I'm not sure If I should pay rest of $50,000 out of my pocket. Edit: Location, West Virginia. | culdq26 | culco0g | 1,440,986,415 | 1,440,984,464 | 15 | 7 | As others have recommended contact your insurance, they will represent you. I can't believe how some people are. I would be ashamed of myself if my child ran away into aomeones yard and broke his/her arm. It shows a complete lack of parenting and to hold YOU responsible? My mind is boggled. | You might want to look into the Attractive Nuisance Doctrine.It deals with exactly with what you are talking about here (kids getting injured while trespassing on your property.) As far as I can tell you should be fine, it says that stuff like trampolines and pools could attract children and cause injury or death, in which case you could be held liable. I think you should be safe though since it was a tree. | 1 | 1,951 | 2.142857 |
dffwgw | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | How do I protect my dogs from the neighbor's harrassment. They encourage their kids to stick their hands through our fence and torment our dogs Thanks for reading. We have a 6' chain link fence around our yard. It's perimeter covers the corner of our half of a shared driveway. We have two mutts, 55 lbs and 40 lbs, very friendly and well socialized. The neighbor's two boys, age approx 5 and 3, had fun one day flinging their toys at our fence gate while our dogs were out. It drove our dogs crazy. The mom final put a stop to it, but it concerned me that they may harass our dogs. More concerning, what if they stick their fingers through our fence and their fingers get nipped. I have si celebration noticed the adults feeding our dogs milk bones and encouraging their kids to come to the gate and touch our dogs. They are not the kind of people I could have a rational conversation with about this. They do as they please regardless of others rights or basic courtesy. I don't want their children to be hurt by my dogs, I don't want my dogs to be injured or taken if the children are hurt. Are there any legal precautions I should take? We live in Cincinnati, Ohio. Thanks | f32wkgn | f32r7og | 1,570,627,579 | 1,570,623,377 | 55 | 40 | I would get a security cam that you can set up to monitor your property, this way you can have video evidence of the neighbors harassing your dogs. (And if your dogs do bite them, you have evidence of the neighbors harassing the dogs.) You may also want to look into maybe getting a taller / more secure fence so they can't see or touch the dogs. (Thus removing their incentive to pet / treat the dogs.) | If your dogs bite one of their kids, you would have the option of asserting a couple of defenses under Ohio’s dog bite law: 1. You wouldn’t be liable for an injury due to your dog biting them if they were teasing, tormenting, or abusing the dogs (sticking hands through a fence is arguably a good example of at least teasing). 2. You wouldn’t be liable if you weren’t aware of an occasion where your dog bit someone in the past, and you have never witnessed or have knowledge of your dog showing aggressive tendencies in the past. | 1 | 4,202 | 1.375 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy1vx8e | fy1v9jg | 1,594,745,336 | 1,594,745,019 | 4,633 | 1,120 | Tell the workers that if they don't get off your property you will call the cops. If they don't get off, call the cops. If your neighbor thinks they have the right to build there, they have to produce the survey saying so. Absent that, tell them any step onto the property will result in trespassing charges | go to tell the workers to get off your property | 1 | 317 | 4.136607 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy1v9jg | fy1y0k1 | 1,594,745,019 | 1,594,746,332 | 1,120 | 1,885 | go to tell the workers to get off your property | > My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. Yeah, don't give up. You don't need a lawyer. As others have said, tell the contractors to stop working. If they don't stop, call the cops. If the cops come, tell them they're on your property and you want them off, and they'll leave. Find out if you have an HOA and complain to the HOA about non-permitted work. Go to your local courthouse and pull the survey records that delineate your property lines. If the fence still goes up, send them a letter, by **registered mail**, stating that if the fence is not removed within 30/60/any reasonable amount of days, that you will remove the fence yourself (include a copy of the property survey). Then, after the time has elapsed and the fence isn't removed, go buy a crowbar and a sledgehammer and have an afternoon of fun taking down the fence on your property. You *do not* want to just let the fence be, because after 20 years they can claim adverse possession on your land. After a shorter amount of time, it could become essentially an easement. | 0 | 1,313 | 1.683036 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy2owi8 | fy25nqr | 1,594,759,066 | 1,594,749,934 | 687 | 154 | Excuse me worker have you seen the survey for the property line? I believe this is on my property and if you continue you and the owner foukd face both criminal and civil trespassing charges. I believe it is in your best interest to stop for now and check the survey before proceeding. Before you start again I would like to see the survey and have the chance to agree to said survey or at my expense have it surveyed again. If that doesn't work call the cops and tell them they are putting up a fence on your property and you have had it surveyed. They are trespassing and younwould like them removed. | Go out, and call the police in front of the workers so they can hear you doing it. Then when the police come explain that they are building on your property and refusing to leave when asked. | 1 | 9,132 | 4.461039 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy2owi8 | fy2o86q | 1,594,759,066 | 1,594,758,739 | 687 | 127 | Excuse me worker have you seen the survey for the property line? I believe this is on my property and if you continue you and the owner foukd face both criminal and civil trespassing charges. I believe it is in your best interest to stop for now and check the survey before proceeding. Before you start again I would like to see the survey and have the chance to agree to said survey or at my expense have it surveyed again. If that doesn't work call the cops and tell them they are putting up a fence on your property and you have had it surveyed. They are trespassing and younwould like them removed. | If your parents are willing to give up this fight, would they alternatively be willing to sell the area the fence is being built on? If they are contact someone who can write up some sort of agreement for you. | 1 | 327 | 5.409449 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy25nqr | fy34h93 | 1,594,749,934 | 1,594,766,827 | 154 | 363 | Go out, and call the police in front of the workers so they can hear you doing it. Then when the police come explain that they are building on your property and refusing to leave when asked. | Its actually simpler than you think Ask the contractor that you want to see the survey report where it says that the piece of land is theirs. Take a picture with your phone. Then go to your local housing authority match the record, if the record doesnt match. Go to your local sheriff office, explain them everything. They will send one of their officers to handle the matter police doesnt handle these type of matters. | 0 | 16,893 | 2.357143 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy34h93 | fy2o86q | 1,594,766,827 | 1,594,758,739 | 363 | 127 | Its actually simpler than you think Ask the contractor that you want to see the survey report where it says that the piece of land is theirs. Take a picture with your phone. Then go to your local housing authority match the record, if the record doesnt match. Go to your local sheriff office, explain them everything. They will send one of their officers to handle the matter police doesnt handle these type of matters. | If your parents are willing to give up this fight, would they alternatively be willing to sell the area the fence is being built on? If they are contact someone who can write up some sort of agreement for you. | 1 | 8,088 | 2.858268 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy34h93 | fy2ww2v | 1,594,766,827 | 1,594,762,961 | 363 | 62 | Its actually simpler than you think Ask the contractor that you want to see the survey report where it says that the piece of land is theirs. Take a picture with your phone. Then go to your local housing authority match the record, if the record doesnt match. Go to your local sheriff office, explain them everything. They will send one of their officers to handle the matter police doesnt handle these type of matters. | Call the cops. Have them remove the workers. Its your property. They have no leg to stand on | 1 | 3,866 | 5.854839 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy2zgc3 | fy34h93 | 1,594,764,223 | 1,594,766,827 | 53 | 363 | Advise them to leave your property and that they are trespassing. If that doesn't work. Call law enforcement to come take a statement that way it is documented. I also advise you to put up "no trespassing" signs | Its actually simpler than you think Ask the contractor that you want to see the survey report where it says that the piece of land is theirs. Take a picture with your phone. Then go to your local housing authority match the record, if the record doesnt match. Go to your local sheriff office, explain them everything. They will send one of their officers to handle the matter police doesnt handle these type of matters. | 0 | 2,604 | 6.849057 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy32n9x | fy34h93 | 1,594,765,856 | 1,594,766,827 | 39 | 363 | It shouldn't have to go to a lawyer! If it's your property. Go show him that and the survey pegs themselves. If that doesn't work, call the police, have them read the survey and tell him it's not HIS property to build on. Just don't go at him like a jerk. If it's the truth he can't argue. Is this the first talk have talked about that property. | Its actually simpler than you think Ask the contractor that you want to see the survey report where it says that the piece of land is theirs. Take a picture with your phone. Then go to your local housing authority match the record, if the record doesnt match. Go to your local sheriff office, explain them everything. They will send one of their officers to handle the matter police doesnt handle these type of matters. | 0 | 971 | 9.307692 |
hr4waz | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | As I'm writing this, my neighbors' workers are building a fence on our own property. [Wisconsin] I'm a college student on summer break, and I'm living with my parents near Lake Winnebago for the time being. They have surveyed on multiple occasions the area of land that the neighbor is currently building a fence on (he started building about 3-4 hours ago, in the morning), and the surveyor seemed to confirm that this was part of our property. My dad believes we must give up, believes we can't afford a lawyer to fight it and so on. It probably doesn't matter, but our property is on the lake, and that little land could be rather valuable if we ever sell the house and land. I'm just hoping to help my parents. | fy3583l | fy32n9x | 1,594,767,224 | 1,594,765,856 | 52 | 39 | The deeded owners of the property must contest to the encroachment to invalidate future adverse possession claims (check the duration, some states are 10 years of encroachment). You can also contact your title insurance to see if they will fight the legal battle for you, but you may need to get another survey done that shows the new fence. Regardless of how you proceed, you should not let this encroachment stand. It devalues the property and future buyers could sue the sellers if this is not disclosed. | It shouldn't have to go to a lawyer! If it's your property. Go show him that and the survey pegs themselves. If that doesn't work, call the police, have them read the survey and tell him it's not HIS property to build on. Just don't go at him like a jerk. If it's the truth he can't argue. Is this the first talk have talked about that property. | 1 | 1,368 | 1.333333 |
xbk21a | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | (WA) Neighbor building a fence on our property. We bought a house in Eastern Washington last October. The neighbor is a retired professional football player and has a very large house (6500sq/ft) on a small lot which left little room for a back yard. This is their summer home, they seem to be here June to October. The man that built the neighbor's house in 2008 had owned both our lots and wasn't super concerned about property lines when he installed the landscaping between them, so there is a large rock retaining wall that wraps their back yard and comes about 3-4 feet across the property line on to our yard. The neighbors have two large dogs and a small child so want to install a fence. They put up a temporary snow fence around the outside of the rock wall about 4 ft on to our property, I went and discussed with them that this was not acceptable. I wanted to be neighborly and not make enemies with them since we had just moved in, they said okay and wanted to discuss what would be a workable compromise. I said I would work with them for a couple inches to a foot so that it made sense with the landscaping. In November they committed to bringing in a lawyer and working together to figure out an easement that would keep things amicable. We never heard back from the neighbors or their lawyer. I left in April for a six month deployment to the middle east, so I'm not there to deal with this. My wife came home from work this week to find fence posts, sunk in concrete, in the original locations. She went and spoke with the neighbor's wife, who claimed that they had my go-ahead, that the contractor had said that there was too much rock in the neighbors yard so they put the posts in ours, and that the contractors were coming back on Monday to finish the work. We are looking for some more options. The neighbors want a fence, and seem to be refusing to take a hint or even listen when we say we are not going to donate 150 sq/ft of property to their back yard. I feel like we're being petty fighting over this, but I also feel like I should have to give up the back yard my kid plays in. Current plan of action is to call the contractor Monday morning and demand they stop work, then contact a lawyer to work a better plan. If they refuse to stop work then we call City Permitting and pitch a fit. MS Paint property line diagram! | io04ks2 | io0ui20 | 1,662,912,676 | 1,662,922,334 | 11 | 35 | Put up nk trespassing signs and call the police every time someone neighbor contractor etc comes on the property. | I’d call the neighbors or send your wife over one more time to reiterate that it is your property and the contractors will not be finishing anything Monday until this is resolved. Remind them that it will cost them more money in the long run to have it torn down and possibly deal with legal fees/court costs, and you don’t want them to have to deal with that when this can hopefully be solved amicably. But in the meantime, y’all aren’t going to allow trespassers to do work on your property. Hopefully your wife is off or can take off on Monday to make sure that contractors don’t trespass onto your property and possibly call the police if they don’t listen. | 0 | 9,658 | 3.181818 |
xbk21a | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | (WA) Neighbor building a fence on our property. We bought a house in Eastern Washington last October. The neighbor is a retired professional football player and has a very large house (6500sq/ft) on a small lot which left little room for a back yard. This is their summer home, they seem to be here June to October. The man that built the neighbor's house in 2008 had owned both our lots and wasn't super concerned about property lines when he installed the landscaping between them, so there is a large rock retaining wall that wraps their back yard and comes about 3-4 feet across the property line on to our yard. The neighbors have two large dogs and a small child so want to install a fence. They put up a temporary snow fence around the outside of the rock wall about 4 ft on to our property, I went and discussed with them that this was not acceptable. I wanted to be neighborly and not make enemies with them since we had just moved in, they said okay and wanted to discuss what would be a workable compromise. I said I would work with them for a couple inches to a foot so that it made sense with the landscaping. In November they committed to bringing in a lawyer and working together to figure out an easement that would keep things amicable. We never heard back from the neighbors or their lawyer. I left in April for a six month deployment to the middle east, so I'm not there to deal with this. My wife came home from work this week to find fence posts, sunk in concrete, in the original locations. She went and spoke with the neighbor's wife, who claimed that they had my go-ahead, that the contractor had said that there was too much rock in the neighbors yard so they put the posts in ours, and that the contractors were coming back on Monday to finish the work. We are looking for some more options. The neighbors want a fence, and seem to be refusing to take a hint or even listen when we say we are not going to donate 150 sq/ft of property to their back yard. I feel like we're being petty fighting over this, but I also feel like I should have to give up the back yard my kid plays in. Current plan of action is to call the contractor Monday morning and demand they stop work, then contact a lawyer to work a better plan. If they refuse to stop work then we call City Permitting and pitch a fit. MS Paint property line diagram! | io04ks2 | io24i8a | 1,662,912,676 | 1,662,940,012 | 11 | 31 | Put up nk trespassing signs and call the police every time someone neighbor contractor etc comes on the property. | Have your wife talk to your military legal assistance office: https://legalassistance.law.af.mil/ | 0 | 27,336 | 2.818182 |
xbk21a | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | (WA) Neighbor building a fence on our property. We bought a house in Eastern Washington last October. The neighbor is a retired professional football player and has a very large house (6500sq/ft) on a small lot which left little room for a back yard. This is their summer home, they seem to be here June to October. The man that built the neighbor's house in 2008 had owned both our lots and wasn't super concerned about property lines when he installed the landscaping between them, so there is a large rock retaining wall that wraps their back yard and comes about 3-4 feet across the property line on to our yard. The neighbors have two large dogs and a small child so want to install a fence. They put up a temporary snow fence around the outside of the rock wall about 4 ft on to our property, I went and discussed with them that this was not acceptable. I wanted to be neighborly and not make enemies with them since we had just moved in, they said okay and wanted to discuss what would be a workable compromise. I said I would work with them for a couple inches to a foot so that it made sense with the landscaping. In November they committed to bringing in a lawyer and working together to figure out an easement that would keep things amicable. We never heard back from the neighbors or their lawyer. I left in April for a six month deployment to the middle east, so I'm not there to deal with this. My wife came home from work this week to find fence posts, sunk in concrete, in the original locations. She went and spoke with the neighbor's wife, who claimed that they had my go-ahead, that the contractor had said that there was too much rock in the neighbors yard so they put the posts in ours, and that the contractors were coming back on Monday to finish the work. We are looking for some more options. The neighbors want a fence, and seem to be refusing to take a hint or even listen when we say we are not going to donate 150 sq/ft of property to their back yard. I feel like we're being petty fighting over this, but I also feel like I should have to give up the back yard my kid plays in. Current plan of action is to call the contractor Monday morning and demand they stop work, then contact a lawyer to work a better plan. If they refuse to stop work then we call City Permitting and pitch a fit. MS Paint property line diagram! | io24i8a | io1s8yv | 1,662,940,012 | 1,662,934,826 | 31 | 3 | Have your wife talk to your military legal assistance office: https://legalassistance.law.af.mil/ | Call permitting office when they open Monday morning and confirm that your neighbor has a permit. If they do, I'm sure the permit will show that the submitted plans did not include infringing on your property. The permitting office has the authority to shut down the job if necessary and to compel your neighbor and his contractor to honor property lines. If things get stinky you can pay the lawyers to get involved, but in most cases the municipal planning/permit office can get the involved parties to follow the rules. | 1 | 5,186 | 10.333333 |
xbk21a | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | (WA) Neighbor building a fence on our property. We bought a house in Eastern Washington last October. The neighbor is a retired professional football player and has a very large house (6500sq/ft) on a small lot which left little room for a back yard. This is their summer home, they seem to be here June to October. The man that built the neighbor's house in 2008 had owned both our lots and wasn't super concerned about property lines when he installed the landscaping between them, so there is a large rock retaining wall that wraps their back yard and comes about 3-4 feet across the property line on to our yard. The neighbors have two large dogs and a small child so want to install a fence. They put up a temporary snow fence around the outside of the rock wall about 4 ft on to our property, I went and discussed with them that this was not acceptable. I wanted to be neighborly and not make enemies with them since we had just moved in, they said okay and wanted to discuss what would be a workable compromise. I said I would work with them for a couple inches to a foot so that it made sense with the landscaping. In November they committed to bringing in a lawyer and working together to figure out an easement that would keep things amicable. We never heard back from the neighbors or their lawyer. I left in April for a six month deployment to the middle east, so I'm not there to deal with this. My wife came home from work this week to find fence posts, sunk in concrete, in the original locations. She went and spoke with the neighbor's wife, who claimed that they had my go-ahead, that the contractor had said that there was too much rock in the neighbors yard so they put the posts in ours, and that the contractors were coming back on Monday to finish the work. We are looking for some more options. The neighbors want a fence, and seem to be refusing to take a hint or even listen when we say we are not going to donate 150 sq/ft of property to their back yard. I feel like we're being petty fighting over this, but I also feel like I should have to give up the back yard my kid plays in. Current plan of action is to call the contractor Monday morning and demand they stop work, then contact a lawyer to work a better plan. If they refuse to stop work then we call City Permitting and pitch a fit. MS Paint property line diagram! | io04ks2 | io2srh0 | 1,662,912,676 | 1,662,951,358 | 11 | 21 | Put up nk trespassing signs and call the police every time someone neighbor contractor etc comes on the property. | Live in Washington too. Neighbor did the same thing. Just get a real estate attorney. Worth their weight in gold. Don't wait like I did. In ten years with adverse possession laws, that will be their property. | 0 | 38,682 | 1.909091 |
xbk21a | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | (WA) Neighbor building a fence on our property. We bought a house in Eastern Washington last October. The neighbor is a retired professional football player and has a very large house (6500sq/ft) on a small lot which left little room for a back yard. This is their summer home, they seem to be here June to October. The man that built the neighbor's house in 2008 had owned both our lots and wasn't super concerned about property lines when he installed the landscaping between them, so there is a large rock retaining wall that wraps their back yard and comes about 3-4 feet across the property line on to our yard. The neighbors have two large dogs and a small child so want to install a fence. They put up a temporary snow fence around the outside of the rock wall about 4 ft on to our property, I went and discussed with them that this was not acceptable. I wanted to be neighborly and not make enemies with them since we had just moved in, they said okay and wanted to discuss what would be a workable compromise. I said I would work with them for a couple inches to a foot so that it made sense with the landscaping. In November they committed to bringing in a lawyer and working together to figure out an easement that would keep things amicable. We never heard back from the neighbors or their lawyer. I left in April for a six month deployment to the middle east, so I'm not there to deal with this. My wife came home from work this week to find fence posts, sunk in concrete, in the original locations. She went and spoke with the neighbor's wife, who claimed that they had my go-ahead, that the contractor had said that there was too much rock in the neighbors yard so they put the posts in ours, and that the contractors were coming back on Monday to finish the work. We are looking for some more options. The neighbors want a fence, and seem to be refusing to take a hint or even listen when we say we are not going to donate 150 sq/ft of property to their back yard. I feel like we're being petty fighting over this, but I also feel like I should have to give up the back yard my kid plays in. Current plan of action is to call the contractor Monday morning and demand they stop work, then contact a lawyer to work a better plan. If they refuse to stop work then we call City Permitting and pitch a fit. MS Paint property line diagram! | io2srh0 | io1s8yv | 1,662,951,358 | 1,662,934,826 | 21 | 3 | Live in Washington too. Neighbor did the same thing. Just get a real estate attorney. Worth their weight in gold. Don't wait like I did. In ten years with adverse possession laws, that will be their property. | Call permitting office when they open Monday morning and confirm that your neighbor has a permit. If they do, I'm sure the permit will show that the submitted plans did not include infringing on your property. The permitting office has the authority to shut down the job if necessary and to compel your neighbor and his contractor to honor property lines. If things get stinky you can pay the lawyers to get involved, but in most cases the municipal planning/permit office can get the involved parties to follow the rules. | 1 | 16,532 | 7 |
xbk21a | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | (WA) Neighbor building a fence on our property. We bought a house in Eastern Washington last October. The neighbor is a retired professional football player and has a very large house (6500sq/ft) on a small lot which left little room for a back yard. This is their summer home, they seem to be here June to October. The man that built the neighbor's house in 2008 had owned both our lots and wasn't super concerned about property lines when he installed the landscaping between them, so there is a large rock retaining wall that wraps their back yard and comes about 3-4 feet across the property line on to our yard. The neighbors have two large dogs and a small child so want to install a fence. They put up a temporary snow fence around the outside of the rock wall about 4 ft on to our property, I went and discussed with them that this was not acceptable. I wanted to be neighborly and not make enemies with them since we had just moved in, they said okay and wanted to discuss what would be a workable compromise. I said I would work with them for a couple inches to a foot so that it made sense with the landscaping. In November they committed to bringing in a lawyer and working together to figure out an easement that would keep things amicable. We never heard back from the neighbors or their lawyer. I left in April for a six month deployment to the middle east, so I'm not there to deal with this. My wife came home from work this week to find fence posts, sunk in concrete, in the original locations. She went and spoke with the neighbor's wife, who claimed that they had my go-ahead, that the contractor had said that there was too much rock in the neighbors yard so they put the posts in ours, and that the contractors were coming back on Monday to finish the work. We are looking for some more options. The neighbors want a fence, and seem to be refusing to take a hint or even listen when we say we are not going to donate 150 sq/ft of property to their back yard. I feel like we're being petty fighting over this, but I also feel like I should have to give up the back yard my kid plays in. Current plan of action is to call the contractor Monday morning and demand they stop work, then contact a lawyer to work a better plan. If they refuse to stop work then we call City Permitting and pitch a fit. MS Paint property line diagram! | io04ks2 | io2v4kd | 1,662,912,676 | 1,662,952,543 | 11 | 13 | Put up nk trespassing signs and call the police every time someone neighbor contractor etc comes on the property. | A possible way of resolving this is *selling* them that little strip of land ~ something to consider if you haven’t already. (but definitely for getting a real estate attorney 👍) Edit/add - no, you’re not being petty. It’s a property *line,* not a property suggestion. Honestly they’re being kinda cocky blowing you off, I’d be annoyed too. Just remember, if you did decide to sell them the land, you can sell it for whatever it’s worth TO YOU. Personally I value my time and peace a lot and costing me those would reflect. 😁. | 0 | 39,867 | 1.181818 |
xbk21a | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | (WA) Neighbor building a fence on our property. We bought a house in Eastern Washington last October. The neighbor is a retired professional football player and has a very large house (6500sq/ft) on a small lot which left little room for a back yard. This is their summer home, they seem to be here June to October. The man that built the neighbor's house in 2008 had owned both our lots and wasn't super concerned about property lines when he installed the landscaping between them, so there is a large rock retaining wall that wraps their back yard and comes about 3-4 feet across the property line on to our yard. The neighbors have two large dogs and a small child so want to install a fence. They put up a temporary snow fence around the outside of the rock wall about 4 ft on to our property, I went and discussed with them that this was not acceptable. I wanted to be neighborly and not make enemies with them since we had just moved in, they said okay and wanted to discuss what would be a workable compromise. I said I would work with them for a couple inches to a foot so that it made sense with the landscaping. In November they committed to bringing in a lawyer and working together to figure out an easement that would keep things amicable. We never heard back from the neighbors or their lawyer. I left in April for a six month deployment to the middle east, so I'm not there to deal with this. My wife came home from work this week to find fence posts, sunk in concrete, in the original locations. She went and spoke with the neighbor's wife, who claimed that they had my go-ahead, that the contractor had said that there was too much rock in the neighbors yard so they put the posts in ours, and that the contractors were coming back on Monday to finish the work. We are looking for some more options. The neighbors want a fence, and seem to be refusing to take a hint or even listen when we say we are not going to donate 150 sq/ft of property to their back yard. I feel like we're being petty fighting over this, but I also feel like I should have to give up the back yard my kid plays in. Current plan of action is to call the contractor Monday morning and demand they stop work, then contact a lawyer to work a better plan. If they refuse to stop work then we call City Permitting and pitch a fit. MS Paint property line diagram! | io1s8yv | io2v4kd | 1,662,934,826 | 1,662,952,543 | 3 | 13 | Call permitting office when they open Monday morning and confirm that your neighbor has a permit. If they do, I'm sure the permit will show that the submitted plans did not include infringing on your property. The permitting office has the authority to shut down the job if necessary and to compel your neighbor and his contractor to honor property lines. If things get stinky you can pay the lawyers to get involved, but in most cases the municipal planning/permit office can get the involved parties to follow the rules. | A possible way of resolving this is *selling* them that little strip of land ~ something to consider if you haven’t already. (but definitely for getting a real estate attorney 👍) Edit/add - no, you’re not being petty. It’s a property *line,* not a property suggestion. Honestly they’re being kinda cocky blowing you off, I’d be annoyed too. Just remember, if you did decide to sell them the land, you can sell it for whatever it’s worth TO YOU. Personally I value my time and peace a lot and costing me those would reflect. 😁. | 0 | 17,717 | 4.333333 |
nyl2tp | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [NC] My neighbor is planting invasive and fast spreading plants on his property. Is there anything I can do legally to stop it? My house is in a small neighborhood surrounded mostly by woods. The neighborhood itself is quaint, with about .25 acre lots so we're all pretty close together. My direct neighbor has started planting Kudzu for ground cover in his tree beds that are only a few feet from the tree line. For those unaware Kudzu is a fast growing, invasive vine that spreads like wildfire here in the south. He has also planted Lily of the Valley, which I'm not sure is classified as invasive here but it sure as hell spreads like it is. Normally I don't meddle in the affairs of someone on their own property but in this case I'm worried my neighbor is going to let these plants loose on the neighborhood and they'll be tough if not impossible to get rid of. I've already spoken tomy HOA but they said since it's not a major landscaping change requiring approval there's nothing they can do. Is there any type of law that prevents people from planting stuff like this? Edit: Before I get the reply, yes I have already spoken to my neighbor and have tried to warn him but he's not having any of it | h1kqt7v | h1kqb7s | 1,623,547,978 | 1,623,547,661 | 275 | 100 | So I did some research here: http://nc-ipc.weebly.com/laws--policies.html And it seems while it is a class 3 misdemeanor to knowingly propagate invasive species, Kudzu and Lily of the Valley are NOT classified as invasive species (specifically "plant pest") so it would have to be settled between you two. | NC Department of Agriculture has a reporting hotline NC Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services: 1-800-206-WEED Here is the state noxious Weed list: http://www.ncagr.gov/plantindustry/plant/weed/weedprog.htm | 1 | 317 | 2.75 |
nyl2tp | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [NC] My neighbor is planting invasive and fast spreading plants on his property. Is there anything I can do legally to stop it? My house is in a small neighborhood surrounded mostly by woods. The neighborhood itself is quaint, with about .25 acre lots so we're all pretty close together. My direct neighbor has started planting Kudzu for ground cover in his tree beds that are only a few feet from the tree line. For those unaware Kudzu is a fast growing, invasive vine that spreads like wildfire here in the south. He has also planted Lily of the Valley, which I'm not sure is classified as invasive here but it sure as hell spreads like it is. Normally I don't meddle in the affairs of someone on their own property but in this case I'm worried my neighbor is going to let these plants loose on the neighborhood and they'll be tough if not impossible to get rid of. I've already spoken tomy HOA but they said since it's not a major landscaping change requiring approval there's nothing they can do. Is there any type of law that prevents people from planting stuff like this? Edit: Before I get the reply, yes I have already spoken to my neighbor and have tried to warn him but he's not having any of it | h1mcax3 | h1mofk2 | 1,623,591,153 | 1,623,597,748 | 20 | 23 | I work as a line clearance arborist in Austin, TX. I work Transmission out in the boonies and deal with vines and invasive species daily. We use a product called Garlind 4 on invasive vines and trees. It is a herbicide that will not allow cut vines to grow back. So, I suggest that you talk to him tell him that if any of it comes onto your property, you will call someone to cut and spray them. Also tell him if it gets to this point and you do this, it can potentially kill off his entire vine even in his yard. Thats what I would do. | Kudzu?! Call your state dept of agriculture or state plant department. My dad was an investigator for our state plant department (and later dept of agriculture) and would work to help prosecute people for this stuff. | 0 | 6,595 | 1.15 |
emxw27 | legaladvice_train | 0.74 | [California] Neighbor won't stop leafblowing onto our driveway State: California My neighbor keeps leafblowing all the leaves on his front yard onto our driveway, collecting it all there, then leafblowing it down the street. He claims he is doing us a "favor" because he'll pick up stuff from our driveway too and push them down the street. However, if he doesn't do a thorough job leafblowing everything down (he doesn't do a thorough job ever), pieces of debris and garbage get strewn onto our driveway, which our cars/shoes/wind, etc. pick up, and drag it further inside and into our home. We've repeatably told him to stop and use his driveway to collect the leaves instead and leave ours alone. He continually says he's doing us a favor and won't stop. We bring it up to him: If it's really a favor, and we don't want it, then why would you keep doing it? He says even then, the driveway and sidewalk it intersects is city property so he can do whatever he wants. Is this really true? I mean at some point, all the debris and gunk may collect onto the "city property" but it affects us because our cars and shoes will start dragging it into our property. We've had a shaky relationship, and the fact that he refuses to use his driveway to collect the leaves (there's literally no difference between using ours or his driveway) feels like he's just trying to provoke us. This issue is a bit minor, but bending over and letting him do whatever he wants to provoke us without any repercussions is ridiculous. This issue has escalated to cops coming over TWICE, and both times, they also agree the issue is dumb: it literally makes no difference for my neighbor to use his driveway to collect the leaves, but makes a world of difference for us - just use your own driveway! The police say to never call them again over this issue and for us to just talk it out. Knowing my neighbor though, he'll keep doing this and eventually force me to have to call the police again who will be upset with me for still being upset with this. Do I have any recourse here, or am I just going to be stuck dragging dirt and leaves and other gunk all over my shoes and car tires? Even if I do record him leafblowing onto the driveway: it does look like from afar that he is collecting it on our driveway, then leafblowing it all down onto the street, leaving my driveway clean. It's only when you actually observe the driveway closely that you start noticing all the gunk still everywhere, especially after a few days (he does this daily). For this reason, I'm not sure if recording him will even help? | fds460b | fds6ley | 1,578,693,983 | 1,578,695,514 | 8 | 28 | Blow em back. Establish your boundaries ! | It isn’t city property. You bought the house and own the drive away. If he’s blowing it and entering your driveway tell him he’s trespassing. | 0 | 1,531 | 3.5 |
emxw27 | legaladvice_train | 0.74 | [California] Neighbor won't stop leafblowing onto our driveway State: California My neighbor keeps leafblowing all the leaves on his front yard onto our driveway, collecting it all there, then leafblowing it down the street. He claims he is doing us a "favor" because he'll pick up stuff from our driveway too and push them down the street. However, if he doesn't do a thorough job leafblowing everything down (he doesn't do a thorough job ever), pieces of debris and garbage get strewn onto our driveway, which our cars/shoes/wind, etc. pick up, and drag it further inside and into our home. We've repeatably told him to stop and use his driveway to collect the leaves instead and leave ours alone. He continually says he's doing us a favor and won't stop. We bring it up to him: If it's really a favor, and we don't want it, then why would you keep doing it? He says even then, the driveway and sidewalk it intersects is city property so he can do whatever he wants. Is this really true? I mean at some point, all the debris and gunk may collect onto the "city property" but it affects us because our cars and shoes will start dragging it into our property. We've had a shaky relationship, and the fact that he refuses to use his driveway to collect the leaves (there's literally no difference between using ours or his driveway) feels like he's just trying to provoke us. This issue is a bit minor, but bending over and letting him do whatever he wants to provoke us without any repercussions is ridiculous. This issue has escalated to cops coming over TWICE, and both times, they also agree the issue is dumb: it literally makes no difference for my neighbor to use his driveway to collect the leaves, but makes a world of difference for us - just use your own driveway! The police say to never call them again over this issue and for us to just talk it out. Knowing my neighbor though, he'll keep doing this and eventually force me to have to call the police again who will be upset with me for still being upset with this. Do I have any recourse here, or am I just going to be stuck dragging dirt and leaves and other gunk all over my shoes and car tires? Even if I do record him leafblowing onto the driveway: it does look like from afar that he is collecting it on our driveway, then leafblowing it all down onto the street, leaving my driveway clean. It's only when you actually observe the driveway closely that you start noticing all the gunk still everywhere, especially after a few days (he does this daily). For this reason, I'm not sure if recording him will even help? | fdsijb5 | fdt4ys7 | 1,578,703,408 | 1,578,711,983 | 2 | 7 | I am not a lawyer, are they blowing the leaves down a stormwater drain? That’s probably not legal. Depending on city/county laws it’s worth looking into. Police wouldn’t know this, but local environment/protection government division would. Where are you located? | Can you turn a sprinkler system on if you have grass between your driveways? Can't really blow thru water. | 0 | 8,575 | 3.5 |
aad4sl | legaladvice_train | 0.55 | Neighbors have wall-shaking screaming fights, which wake up my kids, nearly every single night. Remedies? In Pennsylvania. My SO and I live in an apartment building. We have two small children. One is a little over two years old. The other is almost three months old. Our next-door neighbors have loud, screaming fights almost every night—typically between the hours of 10 PM - 2 AM (i.e., during the building quiet hours stipulated to in their lease, I expect). The fights are so loud that I can make out what they are about. A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. The building management has been completely apathetic to our and other tenants’ complaints about these people. I think management has warned them a few times, but to no avail. So management stopped trying to do anything. I guess they pay their rent. The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Given how they act, I worry that they might just become belligerent towards me and my family for having the temerity to ask. So I don’t plan on speaking to them. I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. My concern is that, while all this stuff is horrible, none of it rises to the level of a breach of my lease by management (not sure if the implied warranty of habitability is breached here—everything else about our living situation is fine). And I’m not party to their lease, so I can’t enforce their lease terms the way management should be doing. Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. But I don’t know any other way to get it to stop. | ecqyg1b | ecqyjd0 | 1,546,024,101 | 1,546,024,159 | 243 | 308 | Yes, call the cops when you have reason to believe DV is occurring. If they're merely loud but don't sound violent, make a noise complaint to the police non-emergency line. | > A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. There's a very good chance you're overhearing a domestic violence situation. The correct thing to do in these circumstances is to alert police. >The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Yeah, simply telling people who are in a bad relationship and experiencing domestic violence to "stop having screaming fights at all hours" usually doesn't work. Call the police. >I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. Yes, that's exactly what you should be doing. >Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? Unless you're making this shit up, no, you will not get into trouble for reporting what you reasonably believe could be domestic violence. >In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. In all candor, you should probably not say that publicly. | 0 | 58 | 1.26749 |
aad4sl | legaladvice_train | 0.55 | Neighbors have wall-shaking screaming fights, which wake up my kids, nearly every single night. Remedies? In Pennsylvania. My SO and I live in an apartment building. We have two small children. One is a little over two years old. The other is almost three months old. Our next-door neighbors have loud, screaming fights almost every night—typically between the hours of 10 PM - 2 AM (i.e., during the building quiet hours stipulated to in their lease, I expect). The fights are so loud that I can make out what they are about. A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. The building management has been completely apathetic to our and other tenants’ complaints about these people. I think management has warned them a few times, but to no avail. So management stopped trying to do anything. I guess they pay their rent. The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Given how they act, I worry that they might just become belligerent towards me and my family for having the temerity to ask. So I don’t plan on speaking to them. I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. My concern is that, while all this stuff is horrible, none of it rises to the level of a breach of my lease by management (not sure if the implied warranty of habitability is breached here—everything else about our living situation is fine). And I’m not party to their lease, so I can’t enforce their lease terms the way management should be doing. Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. But I don’t know any other way to get it to stop. | ecrwzr8 | ecqyto0 | 1,546,049,660 | 1,546,024,336 | 187 | 136 | Call the police every time it happens. Write down the nonemergency police number and hand it to your other neighbors to complain too. Be persistent with reporting to both police and land lord. Also, maybe stop being rude to people giving you advice you asked to receive? | If you're hearing loud screaming, things being thrown around, a person yelling at someone else not to touch them, you can be pretty positive that there's some level of domestic abuse occurring. It would be completely rational to call the police, I'm surprised you haven't already. You are allowed quiet enjoyment of your home. Definitely call the police when you hear this happening. If you'd like to protect yourself maybe record what you can hear from inside your apartment. | 1 | 25,324 | 1.375 |
aad4sl | legaladvice_train | 0.55 | Neighbors have wall-shaking screaming fights, which wake up my kids, nearly every single night. Remedies? In Pennsylvania. My SO and I live in an apartment building. We have two small children. One is a little over two years old. The other is almost three months old. Our next-door neighbors have loud, screaming fights almost every night—typically between the hours of 10 PM - 2 AM (i.e., during the building quiet hours stipulated to in their lease, I expect). The fights are so loud that I can make out what they are about. A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. The building management has been completely apathetic to our and other tenants’ complaints about these people. I think management has warned them a few times, but to no avail. So management stopped trying to do anything. I guess they pay their rent. The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Given how they act, I worry that they might just become belligerent towards me and my family for having the temerity to ask. So I don’t plan on speaking to them. I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. My concern is that, while all this stuff is horrible, none of it rises to the level of a breach of my lease by management (not sure if the implied warranty of habitability is breached here—everything else about our living situation is fine). And I’m not party to their lease, so I can’t enforce their lease terms the way management should be doing. Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. But I don’t know any other way to get it to stop. | ecr2u2b | ecrwzr8 | 1,546,026,798 | 1,546,049,660 | 30 | 187 | Call the police if you suspect DV occurring. You will not get in trouble for reporting something you suspect and have witnessed. When we lived in town, we lived in a house that was detached but still close to our neighbors'. Our neighbor would have screaming matches with his babymomma at all hours of the day and night, which would escalate into screaming matches with the neighbors across the street who were friends with babymomma (small town). We called the town police a few times for noise disturbances and wellness check. Our neighbor figured out who it was since we were friendly with him and his son. He thanked us because he was afraid to call himself since he was afraid he'd get in trouble since he was the man. Babymomma was charged with several things since she punched him in the face in front of their child while in their driveway. | Call the police every time it happens. Write down the nonemergency police number and hand it to your other neighbors to complain too. Be persistent with reporting to both police and land lord. Also, maybe stop being rude to people giving you advice you asked to receive? | 0 | 22,862 | 6.233333 |
aad4sl | legaladvice_train | 0.55 | Neighbors have wall-shaking screaming fights, which wake up my kids, nearly every single night. Remedies? In Pennsylvania. My SO and I live in an apartment building. We have two small children. One is a little over two years old. The other is almost three months old. Our next-door neighbors have loud, screaming fights almost every night—typically between the hours of 10 PM - 2 AM (i.e., during the building quiet hours stipulated to in their lease, I expect). The fights are so loud that I can make out what they are about. A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. The building management has been completely apathetic to our and other tenants’ complaints about these people. I think management has warned them a few times, but to no avail. So management stopped trying to do anything. I guess they pay their rent. The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Given how they act, I worry that they might just become belligerent towards me and my family for having the temerity to ask. So I don’t plan on speaking to them. I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. My concern is that, while all this stuff is horrible, none of it rises to the level of a breach of my lease by management (not sure if the implied warranty of habitability is breached here—everything else about our living situation is fine). And I’m not party to their lease, so I can’t enforce their lease terms the way management should be doing. Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. But I don’t know any other way to get it to stop. | ecr3957 | ecrwzr8 | 1,546,027,056 | 1,546,049,660 | 25 | 187 | Call the police every time they have a fight and report it to the apartment complex the next morning. If you are in communication with other neighbors that are also being annoyed by this, encourage them to do the same. The apartment complex will eventually get tired of it and address the situation more firmly. You are entitled to quiet enjoyment of your living space. The complex would rather evict one problem couple then risk 3-4 other renters moving out due to noise. | Call the police every time it happens. Write down the nonemergency police number and hand it to your other neighbors to complain too. Be persistent with reporting to both police and land lord. Also, maybe stop being rude to people giving you advice you asked to receive? | 0 | 22,604 | 7.48 |
aad4sl | legaladvice_train | 0.55 | Neighbors have wall-shaking screaming fights, which wake up my kids, nearly every single night. Remedies? In Pennsylvania. My SO and I live in an apartment building. We have two small children. One is a little over two years old. The other is almost three months old. Our next-door neighbors have loud, screaming fights almost every night—typically between the hours of 10 PM - 2 AM (i.e., during the building quiet hours stipulated to in their lease, I expect). The fights are so loud that I can make out what they are about. A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. The building management has been completely apathetic to our and other tenants’ complaints about these people. I think management has warned them a few times, but to no avail. So management stopped trying to do anything. I guess they pay their rent. The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Given how they act, I worry that they might just become belligerent towards me and my family for having the temerity to ask. So I don’t plan on speaking to them. I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. My concern is that, while all this stuff is horrible, none of it rises to the level of a breach of my lease by management (not sure if the implied warranty of habitability is breached here—everything else about our living situation is fine). And I’m not party to their lease, so I can’t enforce their lease terms the way management should be doing. Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. But I don’t know any other way to get it to stop. | ecrj3md | ecrwzr8 | 1,546,037,959 | 1,546,049,660 | 12 | 187 | Even aside from there being potential violence, you have the right to report unreasonable noise at such a time at night. Generally apartment buildings have a noise code, or however you want to call it, from about 9 or 10 pm to early morning. It's not right for neighbors to be waking your kids. If you're in an apartment, you have to be mindful of your neighbors. | Call the police every time it happens. Write down the nonemergency police number and hand it to your other neighbors to complain too. Be persistent with reporting to both police and land lord. Also, maybe stop being rude to people giving you advice you asked to receive? | 0 | 11,701 | 15.583333 |
aad4sl | legaladvice_train | 0.55 | Neighbors have wall-shaking screaming fights, which wake up my kids, nearly every single night. Remedies? In Pennsylvania. My SO and I live in an apartment building. We have two small children. One is a little over two years old. The other is almost three months old. Our next-door neighbors have loud, screaming fights almost every night—typically between the hours of 10 PM - 2 AM (i.e., during the building quiet hours stipulated to in their lease, I expect). The fights are so loud that I can make out what they are about. A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. The building management has been completely apathetic to our and other tenants’ complaints about these people. I think management has warned them a few times, but to no avail. So management stopped trying to do anything. I guess they pay their rent. The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Given how they act, I worry that they might just become belligerent towards me and my family for having the temerity to ask. So I don’t plan on speaking to them. I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. My concern is that, while all this stuff is horrible, none of it rises to the level of a breach of my lease by management (not sure if the implied warranty of habitability is breached here—everything else about our living situation is fine). And I’m not party to their lease, so I can’t enforce their lease terms the way management should be doing. Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. But I don’t know any other way to get it to stop. | ecr3957 | ecu9dln | 1,546,027,056 | 1,546,132,301 | 25 | 27 | Call the police every time they have a fight and report it to the apartment complex the next morning. If you are in communication with other neighbors that are also being annoyed by this, encourage them to do the same. The apartment complex will eventually get tired of it and address the situation more firmly. You are entitled to quiet enjoyment of your living space. The complex would rather evict one problem couple then risk 3-4 other renters moving out due to noise. | I was a 911 dispatcher. In the past, we’ve received emergency calls with much less to go on and it ended up being a really serious DV incident with injuries. This is 100% an appropriate situation to utilize 911 services. Call the police. Don’t be afraid of the police for stuff like this. | 0 | 105,245 | 1.08 |
aad4sl | legaladvice_train | 0.55 | Neighbors have wall-shaking screaming fights, which wake up my kids, nearly every single night. Remedies? In Pennsylvania. My SO and I live in an apartment building. We have two small children. One is a little over two years old. The other is almost three months old. Our next-door neighbors have loud, screaming fights almost every night—typically between the hours of 10 PM - 2 AM (i.e., during the building quiet hours stipulated to in their lease, I expect). The fights are so loud that I can make out what they are about. A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. The building management has been completely apathetic to our and other tenants’ complaints about these people. I think management has warned them a few times, but to no avail. So management stopped trying to do anything. I guess they pay their rent. The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Given how they act, I worry that they might just become belligerent towards me and my family for having the temerity to ask. So I don’t plan on speaking to them. I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. My concern is that, while all this stuff is horrible, none of it rises to the level of a breach of my lease by management (not sure if the implied warranty of habitability is breached here—everything else about our living situation is fine). And I’m not party to their lease, so I can’t enforce their lease terms the way management should be doing. Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. But I don’t know any other way to get it to stop. | ecu9dln | ecrj3md | 1,546,132,301 | 1,546,037,959 | 27 | 12 | I was a 911 dispatcher. In the past, we’ve received emergency calls with much less to go on and it ended up being a really serious DV incident with injuries. This is 100% an appropriate situation to utilize 911 services. Call the police. Don’t be afraid of the police for stuff like this. | Even aside from there being potential violence, you have the right to report unreasonable noise at such a time at night. Generally apartment buildings have a noise code, or however you want to call it, from about 9 or 10 pm to early morning. It's not right for neighbors to be waking your kids. If you're in an apartment, you have to be mindful of your neighbors. | 1 | 94,342 | 2.25 |
aad4sl | legaladvice_train | 0.55 | Neighbors have wall-shaking screaming fights, which wake up my kids, nearly every single night. Remedies? In Pennsylvania. My SO and I live in an apartment building. We have two small children. One is a little over two years old. The other is almost three months old. Our next-door neighbors have loud, screaming fights almost every night—typically between the hours of 10 PM - 2 AM (i.e., during the building quiet hours stipulated to in their lease, I expect). The fights are so loud that I can make out what they are about. A few times, I have heard the female tenant screaming and yelling for the male tenant to stop touching her. Furniture also sounds like it is being thrown around the apartment. I have a reasonable suspicion that domestic abuse is occurring—although, obviously, not being in the room, I can’t be positive. The building management has been completely apathetic to our and other tenants’ complaints about these people. I think management has warned them a few times, but to no avail. So management stopped trying to do anything. I guess they pay their rent. The issue is that their fighting wakes up my kids night after night. It’s that loud. They’re so trashy, I’m skeptical that telling them to stop having screaming fights at all hours will do anything. Given how they act, I worry that they might just become belligerent towards me and my family for having the temerity to ask. So I don’t plan on speaking to them. I’m considering whether, the next time I hear them screaming and what sounds like a physical altercation (e.g., furniture being thrown and words to the effect of “Don’t touch me”), calling 911 and reporting a domestic assault. My concern is that, while all this stuff is horrible, none of it rises to the level of a breach of my lease by management (not sure if the implied warranty of habitability is breached here—everything else about our living situation is fine). And I’m not party to their lease, so I can’t enforce their lease terms the way management should be doing. Is there any potential civil or criminal liability to me if I report my neighbors to the cops on the good-faith but mistaken belief that a violent crime is being committed by them in their domicile in that moment? In all candor, if they weren’t waking up my kids every night, I wouldn’t care. But I don’t know any other way to get it to stop. | ecu9dln | ectqtcc | 1,546,132,301 | 1,546,117,870 | 27 | 4 | I was a 911 dispatcher. In the past, we’ve received emergency calls with much less to go on and it ended up being a really serious DV incident with injuries. This is 100% an appropriate situation to utilize 911 services. Call the police. Don’t be afraid of the police for stuff like this. | Call in a noise complaint to both the police when it happens and the management the next morning, or kwitcherbitching. Cops and management will be able to do whatever from there. Edit: typo | 1 | 14,431 | 6.75 |
qo0y96 | legaladvice_train | 0.73 | Brothers girlfriend and mother of kids drained their bank accounts and won't stop spending money (MA) Looking for advice for a family member. The situation is that his live in girlfriend and mother of his 3 kids has spent all of their money. Collectively they make good money (200K/year where she probably makes 60% of that) but she never learned financial responsibility and has emptied their joint accounts and is taking money or charging accounts that belong solely to my brother through whatever access she might have to those cards. Now he's working 2 jobs and she's still spending money they don't have. He said she told him her expenses outweigh her income. I think at this point he wants out before she financially ruins him for good. Not sure if it's relevant but he does the majority of the household duties and seems to be the most involved in the kids lives. Almost everything is in his name.. house, utilities, cars. What direction should I steer him in? Who does he need to talk to? Lawyer, financial advisor..? He needs help and he needs an advocate. Shes a train wreck but I fear her parents will make every attempt to screw him out of assets and child custody. He states her father has already proposed buying the house from him but I fear he will buy it so his daughter can keep it with the kids and they will evict him. Thank you. | hjk9y0d | hjjw5s4 | 1,636,213,888 | 1,636,207,872 | 34 | 27 | This is a difficult situation but not impossible to fix. He can get a separate chequing account at another bank. Start having all of his paycheque deposited there and move autopay for whatever utilities are in his name to the new account. He needs to contact the credit card companies with the cards and either close the accounts (if he can afford to) or ask for new numbers because his cards are compromised. Her use of his credit cards is a problem, since it's technically financial fraud. Have him change all the passwords to accounts used for shopping at Amazon and Target, etc., and use a password manager (like Lastpass). Turn on two factor authentication to *all* online accounts where possible to keep her from accessing them. If the house is in his name only, he absolutely shouldn't sell the house or add her to the deed. Her father clearly is not interested in his wellbeing, only hers/the kids. He should speak with a financial advisor for a plan to mitigate her debt, as a start. Getting himself on stable ground is very important. If she's willing to have a financial plan or financial counseling, this may help the pair of them. If not, then he should consider his escape plans from the relationship if it's declining. Financial differences are one of the main reasons for a relationship ending. He will want to speak with a family law attorney since even unmarried couples have to work out visitation, custody, medical and educational rights, etc. He'll want to talk about these and how to secure his rights. | Step One is to open a bank account at a different bank (NOT just a different branch of the same bank) in his name only. Joint accounts can be emptied by either party and it is completely above board legal. | 1 | 6,016 | 1.259259 |
5qm1rz | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | (IL, NV) Paying child support to my ex, child now lives in different state with grandparents. Ex and IL CS enforcement uncooperative. HELP! I had a child more than a decade ago with my ex. I was too young and dumb to be her father. We separated and I agreed to pay child support. This is in Illinois. We both still live here. Fast forward 10 years I am in economic ruin during the recession. I fall behind on my payments. Illinois CS enforcement takes me back to court, I get amount lowered. Fast forward two years I get nearly caught up in CS payments and my ex casually mentions that our daughter has lived in Nevada for the last 8 years. WTF. Why didn't you tell me? Why am I still paying YOU child support? Why is the state of Illinois still going after me child support? "I need that money for my other son, you know I wanted a boy" Sooo the next court date I pull the state's attorney aside and I ask her the same questions. She tells me I can't duck my responsibilities and that's why we are in court". I ask the judge and he said that wasn't the issue at hand and I no longer had to return to court as I was now in compliance with my payments. I called SDU, DHS, HFS, Everyone I could think of with to no avail. Finally tracked down the grandparents in Nevada. They have the child and my ex owes them tens of thousands of dollars. Now I am an actual father to two other children that live with me. (Not really relevant to this). We are just over %125 poverty and improving, but practically no money for a lawyer How do I force the state and my ex to prove physical custody? Show me the body, if you will. I just want to money to go to my daughter....thats all I want. I have no illusions that I can ever be her father. | dd0eejd | dd0efh8 | 1,485,585,745 | 1,485,585,804 | 13 | 102 | Mom doesn't have to prove anything. *You* have to sue her to show that she does not have custody of the child. | The grandparents need to file. Child support is paid by court order, the custodial parent in most cases has the right to determine where the child lives. That change alone has no impact on your order. Once the grandparents go to court (they can easily prove custody via school records, etc) then the courts will order you and mom to pay the grandparents. In addition, depending on how your state calculates support, your payment *may* decrease bc you have another child. | 0 | 59 | 7.846154 |
5qm1rz | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | (IL, NV) Paying child support to my ex, child now lives in different state with grandparents. Ex and IL CS enforcement uncooperative. HELP! I had a child more than a decade ago with my ex. I was too young and dumb to be her father. We separated and I agreed to pay child support. This is in Illinois. We both still live here. Fast forward 10 years I am in economic ruin during the recession. I fall behind on my payments. Illinois CS enforcement takes me back to court, I get amount lowered. Fast forward two years I get nearly caught up in CS payments and my ex casually mentions that our daughter has lived in Nevada for the last 8 years. WTF. Why didn't you tell me? Why am I still paying YOU child support? Why is the state of Illinois still going after me child support? "I need that money for my other son, you know I wanted a boy" Sooo the next court date I pull the state's attorney aside and I ask her the same questions. She tells me I can't duck my responsibilities and that's why we are in court". I ask the judge and he said that wasn't the issue at hand and I no longer had to return to court as I was now in compliance with my payments. I called SDU, DHS, HFS, Everyone I could think of with to no avail. Finally tracked down the grandparents in Nevada. They have the child and my ex owes them tens of thousands of dollars. Now I am an actual father to two other children that live with me. (Not really relevant to this). We are just over %125 poverty and improving, but practically no money for a lawyer How do I force the state and my ex to prove physical custody? Show me the body, if you will. I just want to money to go to my daughter....thats all I want. I have no illusions that I can ever be her father. | dd0iuas | dd0eejd | 1,485,599,039 | 1,485,585,745 | 18 | 13 | I'm guessing the grandparents don't have any form of legal custody (it's an informal arrangement) which is why the courts are uninterested in the fact that the child is not residing with mom. The simplest way to resolve the matter would be to contact the grandparents and suggest they file for legal custody and then child support. The Illinois Department of Healthcare and Family Services, Division of Child Support Services includes seven Non-Custodial Parent Services Units that may offer some advice. You might also qualify for local legal aid services. Otherwise you could file for a modification of child support order, and show evidence that your child does not and has not lived with her mother for sometime. | Mom doesn't have to prove anything. *You* have to sue her to show that she does not have custody of the child. | 1 | 13,294 | 1.384615 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en6tdt2 | en7aytg | 1,557,640,247 | 1,557,655,753 | 629 | 1,979 | Call the alarm company and ask if they can contact the owners. After all, the alarm system is malfunctioning, making its efficiency suspect. If someone broke into the home now, would the alarm go off? They are apparently unaware that the alarm is sounding now. Do you know where they go? If they are in the US, you might be able to find them using FamilyTreeNow.com. I've used it to find a friend I hadn't seen in forty years and a woman who dropped her marriage license in a Pennsylvania courthouse parking lot. | I am not a lawyer but I install alarms You say the security company said you need the owner to contact them - have you tried searching for them on Facebook? Alternatively, the company should be trying to contact the owner THAT IS THEIR JOB. It is in my experience not a police issue but the issue of the security company. They have the ability to make it stop, which the police likely do not. Ask the security company to contact the owner (they will have emergency contact details depending on how it was set up) and simultaneously do anything to contact the owner to make them speak to the company. | 0 | 15,506 | 3.146264 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7aytg | en7ab4c | 1,557,655,753 | 1,557,655,178 | 1,979 | 401 | I am not a lawyer but I install alarms You say the security company said you need the owner to contact them - have you tried searching for them on Facebook? Alternatively, the company should be trying to contact the owner THAT IS THEIR JOB. It is in my experience not a police issue but the issue of the security company. They have the ability to make it stop, which the police likely do not. Ask the security company to contact the owner (they will have emergency contact details depending on how it was set up) and simultaneously do anything to contact the owner to make them speak to the company. | Do your bylaws include a clause that provides the HOA with the right to enter a property for emergency maintenance purposes? I would go back to them and start complaining, repeatedly. They most likely have the owner's up to date contact and just don't feel like getting off their butts to do anything. If they have a right to emergency access, they *may* have the right to enter the unit to address the alarm (depending on what's written). At the very least, I would put it on them to be responsible for running down the owner since it's "damaging" the common property. | 1 | 575 | 4.935162 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en6uusj | en7aytg | 1,557,641,415 | 1,557,655,753 | 77 | 1,979 | You may have an action for nuisance. They are interfering with the use and enjoyment of your home, after all. I mean it wont stop the alarm now... but you might try and consult an attorney. I mean a month straight of the alarm going off next door might entitle you to some compensation. Good luck. | I am not a lawyer but I install alarms You say the security company said you need the owner to contact them - have you tried searching for them on Facebook? Alternatively, the company should be trying to contact the owner THAT IS THEIR JOB. It is in my experience not a police issue but the issue of the security company. They have the ability to make it stop, which the police likely do not. Ask the security company to contact the owner (they will have emergency contact details depending on how it was set up) and simultaneously do anything to contact the owner to make them speak to the company. | 0 | 14,338 | 25.701299 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en77o9m | en7aytg | 1,557,652,785 | 1,557,655,753 | 33 | 1,979 | This would be a nice fine to pay reporting g many noice complaints and getting multiple tickets.. coming back in June with a months supply of fines | I am not a lawyer but I install alarms You say the security company said you need the owner to contact them - have you tried searching for them on Facebook? Alternatively, the company should be trying to contact the owner THAT IS THEIR JOB. It is in my experience not a police issue but the issue of the security company. They have the ability to make it stop, which the police likely do not. Ask the security company to contact the owner (they will have emergency contact details depending on how it was set up) and simultaneously do anything to contact the owner to make them speak to the company. | 0 | 2,968 | 59.969697 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7aytg | en6pne9 | 1,557,655,753 | 1,557,637,473 | 1,979 | 25 | I am not a lawyer but I install alarms You say the security company said you need the owner to contact them - have you tried searching for them on Facebook? Alternatively, the company should be trying to contact the owner THAT IS THEIR JOB. It is in my experience not a police issue but the issue of the security company. They have the ability to make it stop, which the police likely do not. Ask the security company to contact the owner (they will have emergency contact details depending on how it was set up) and simultaneously do anything to contact the owner to make them speak to the company. | have you tried finding where your neighbors are currently? do they have another house somewhere, or family? if you have a rough idea where you could look on the property appraiser (or if they are in canada whatever the equivalent would be if there is one) site for the area and maybe find their address and at least send a letter. i'd also try googling them and see if something turns up that gives a clue as to where they are/contact info. try looking them up on facebook too - maybe they would see a message you send them or maybe you'd get a clue as to where they are or their friends/family members, and you could try finding their contact info online. like, if your neighbors are older and don't work, maybe they have kids who do and you could find them online and their work contact info and call them. also, the alarm company must have their contact info - mine calls me when my alarm is triggered. can't they contact the home owner? how would your condo building handle things if there was a fire in the unit while the neighbors were out of town? they must have a procedure for emergencies... | 1 | 18,280 | 79.16 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7aytg | en70lrb | 1,557,655,753 | 1,557,646,218 | 1,979 | 18 | I am not a lawyer but I install alarms You say the security company said you need the owner to contact them - have you tried searching for them on Facebook? Alternatively, the company should be trying to contact the owner THAT IS THEIR JOB. It is in my experience not a police issue but the issue of the security company. They have the ability to make it stop, which the police likely do not. Ask the security company to contact the owner (they will have emergency contact details depending on how it was set up) and simultaneously do anything to contact the owner to make them speak to the company. | Do you have any sort of HOA? If the homes are attached there is usually some arrangement for common maintenance and they could have up to date contact information. Or are they receiving mail that's piling up? Is someone getting their mail? Depending on how long their gone they might have setup mail forwarding. You could try sending them a letter and hope it gets forwarded to them or someone picks it up and you mark it urgent. If you get really desperate you could hire a private investigator to track them down. There are people who find people for a living. With every thing you know they should be able to find them, it might just cost hundreds or a few thousand. You could even try suing them for that cost but I don't know if that would be very successful. And finally, I would contact bylaws to have then start ticketing them. They are causing a disturbance, and if they get some tickets in the mail, or if someone is checking their property and sees it, that will get more attention. | 1 | 9,535 | 109.944444 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en6tdt2 | en6pne9 | 1,557,640,247 | 1,557,637,473 | 629 | 25 | Call the alarm company and ask if they can contact the owners. After all, the alarm system is malfunctioning, making its efficiency suspect. If someone broke into the home now, would the alarm go off? They are apparently unaware that the alarm is sounding now. Do you know where they go? If they are in the US, you might be able to find them using FamilyTreeNow.com. I've used it to find a friend I hadn't seen in forty years and a woman who dropped her marriage license in a Pennsylvania courthouse parking lot. | have you tried finding where your neighbors are currently? do they have another house somewhere, or family? if you have a rough idea where you could look on the property appraiser (or if they are in canada whatever the equivalent would be if there is one) site for the area and maybe find their address and at least send a letter. i'd also try googling them and see if something turns up that gives a clue as to where they are/contact info. try looking them up on facebook too - maybe they would see a message you send them or maybe you'd get a clue as to where they are or their friends/family members, and you could try finding their contact info online. like, if your neighbors are older and don't work, maybe they have kids who do and you could find them online and their work contact info and call them. also, the alarm company must have their contact info - mine calls me when my alarm is triggered. can't they contact the home owner? how would your condo building handle things if there was a fire in the unit while the neighbors were out of town? they must have a procedure for emergencies... | 1 | 2,774 | 25.16 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7ab4c | en6uusj | 1,557,655,178 | 1,557,641,415 | 401 | 77 | Do your bylaws include a clause that provides the HOA with the right to enter a property for emergency maintenance purposes? I would go back to them and start complaining, repeatedly. They most likely have the owner's up to date contact and just don't feel like getting off their butts to do anything. If they have a right to emergency access, they *may* have the right to enter the unit to address the alarm (depending on what's written). At the very least, I would put it on them to be responsible for running down the owner since it's "damaging" the common property. | You may have an action for nuisance. They are interfering with the use and enjoyment of your home, after all. I mean it wont stop the alarm now... but you might try and consult an attorney. I mean a month straight of the alarm going off next door might entitle you to some compensation. Good luck. | 1 | 13,763 | 5.207792 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en77o9m | en7ab4c | 1,557,652,785 | 1,557,655,178 | 33 | 401 | This would be a nice fine to pay reporting g many noice complaints and getting multiple tickets.. coming back in June with a months supply of fines | Do your bylaws include a clause that provides the HOA with the right to enter a property for emergency maintenance purposes? I would go back to them and start complaining, repeatedly. They most likely have the owner's up to date contact and just don't feel like getting off their butts to do anything. If they have a right to emergency access, they *may* have the right to enter the unit to address the alarm (depending on what's written). At the very least, I would put it on them to be responsible for running down the owner since it's "damaging" the common property. | 0 | 2,393 | 12.151515 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7ab4c | en6pne9 | 1,557,655,178 | 1,557,637,473 | 401 | 25 | Do your bylaws include a clause that provides the HOA with the right to enter a property for emergency maintenance purposes? I would go back to them and start complaining, repeatedly. They most likely have the owner's up to date contact and just don't feel like getting off their butts to do anything. If they have a right to emergency access, they *may* have the right to enter the unit to address the alarm (depending on what's written). At the very least, I would put it on them to be responsible for running down the owner since it's "damaging" the common property. | have you tried finding where your neighbors are currently? do they have another house somewhere, or family? if you have a rough idea where you could look on the property appraiser (or if they are in canada whatever the equivalent would be if there is one) site for the area and maybe find their address and at least send a letter. i'd also try googling them and see if something turns up that gives a clue as to where they are/contact info. try looking them up on facebook too - maybe they would see a message you send them or maybe you'd get a clue as to where they are or their friends/family members, and you could try finding their contact info online. like, if your neighbors are older and don't work, maybe they have kids who do and you could find them online and their work contact info and call them. also, the alarm company must have their contact info - mine calls me when my alarm is triggered. can't they contact the home owner? how would your condo building handle things if there was a fire in the unit while the neighbors were out of town? they must have a procedure for emergencies... | 1 | 17,705 | 16.04 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en70lrb | en7ab4c | 1,557,646,218 | 1,557,655,178 | 18 | 401 | Do you have any sort of HOA? If the homes are attached there is usually some arrangement for common maintenance and they could have up to date contact information. Or are they receiving mail that's piling up? Is someone getting their mail? Depending on how long their gone they might have setup mail forwarding. You could try sending them a letter and hope it gets forwarded to them or someone picks it up and you mark it urgent. If you get really desperate you could hire a private investigator to track them down. There are people who find people for a living. With every thing you know they should be able to find them, it might just cost hundreds or a few thousand. You could even try suing them for that cost but I don't know if that would be very successful. And finally, I would contact bylaws to have then start ticketing them. They are causing a disturbance, and if they get some tickets in the mail, or if someone is checking their property and sees it, that will get more attention. | Do your bylaws include a clause that provides the HOA with the right to enter a property for emergency maintenance purposes? I would go back to them and start complaining, repeatedly. They most likely have the owner's up to date contact and just don't feel like getting off their butts to do anything. If they have a right to emergency access, they *may* have the right to enter the unit to address the alarm (depending on what's written). At the very least, I would put it on them to be responsible for running down the owner since it's "damaging" the common property. | 0 | 8,960 | 22.277778 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7bm8m | en7hfhh | 1,557,656,314 | 1,557,661,206 | 143 | 320 | Call the alarm company. Tell them you haven't seen your neighbor in awhile and the alarm is going off. You think something happened to them. Not sure how privacy laws work in CA but Google them, search all social media (Facebook, IG to start) and neighbourhood groups. Google should show you a list of who lives there- try to Facebook each person. How do you know they'll be out of town till June? | Call the security system and the police every single time it goes off. | 0 | 4,892 | 2.237762 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7h4vn | en7hfhh | 1,557,660,991 | 1,557,661,206 | 79 | 320 | So, as I understand, the security company that oversees the alarm system won't do anything about an alarm that keeps going off in one of their customers homes? Does that not raise a red flag to anyone!? Canada is different than WA State, but here...we can call the local Police and ask to have a welfare check done. Meaning they go to the residence and check it out. This is by no means actual legal advice, but my suggestion would be to call the police and ask them to go inside and see if your neighbors are safe...and not lying dead in the Conservatory by means of a Candlestick held by Col. Mustard! Either way, once they get inside, they can switch the breaker off! | Call the security system and the police every single time it goes off. | 0 | 215 | 4.050633 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7hfhh | en6uusj | 1,557,661,206 | 1,557,641,415 | 320 | 77 | Call the security system and the police every single time it goes off. | You may have an action for nuisance. They are interfering with the use and enjoyment of your home, after all. I mean it wont stop the alarm now... but you might try and consult an attorney. I mean a month straight of the alarm going off next door might entitle you to some compensation. Good luck. | 1 | 19,791 | 4.155844 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en7dizh | en7hfhh | 1,557,658,000 | 1,557,661,206 | 56 | 320 | If you know or can figure out who their property insurance company is, contact them and let them know what's up. They will probably be very unhappy that the house is apparently unoccupied for 6+ weeks and, on top of that, the security alarm is constantly going off so would there be any way to distinguish between a real alarm and what is apparently and endless series of false alarms? I suspect the security company might not want to be liable for the owners losing their insurance coverage. You could also look at land records to see if they have a mortgage and, if so, to whom. The mortgagee might also be quite interested in getting on top of this. | Call the security system and the police every single time it goes off. | 0 | 3,206 | 5.714286 |
bnl5n8 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | Neighbour's security alarm keeps going off non-stop. They are currently away and won't be back till end of June. Police say they cannot do anything, is there anything i can do to make it stop? Hi we own a town home in Toronto, Ontario it is attached to our neighbors unit. We aren't really close to our neighbors as they rarely seem to be around. Yesterday evening we had a power outage where the power went out for around 6 hours. When power was restored, our neighbors security system keeps randomly going off, and playing an extremely loud alarm for around \~30 seconds every \~15 minutes. We can hear it throughout our entire unit and the unit next to his (not attached) also has told us that it is driving them crazy. The problem is that our neighbors are gone until the end of June, and the contact information i have for them seems to be out of date (phone says number is not in service). We called bylaw this morning, who in turn basically told us to call the police because aside from writing him a ticket for noise he cannot do anything. We called the police and a police officer came to the house and did a perimeter check but said everything was fine. He suggested we contact the owner, when we explained he said there isn't anything he can do, but suggested we call his security alarm company. We called the security alarm company and explained our situation and they basically told us they cannot help us, and we need to get the owner to contact them. I cannot put up with this for 45+ days. How do i make this stop. | en77o9m | en7hfhh | 1,557,652,785 | 1,557,661,206 | 33 | 320 | This would be a nice fine to pay reporting g many noice complaints and getting multiple tickets.. coming back in June with a months supply of fines | Call the security system and the police every single time it goes off. | 0 | 8,421 | 9.69697 |
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