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4udb9r | legaladvice_train | 0.79 | [MI] Am I liable if my neighbor comes in my yard uninvited and my dog bites him? I have an annoying neighbor. He runs his VERY loud generator at all hours (I have no idea why); mows his lawn at 7 AM; claps to his dog constantly and sings loudly. He also likes to trim the trees that overhang his yard, but throw the branches back in mine. His backyard and my backyard touch. When he first moved in, he put up an 8 ft tall bamboo screen directly against our fence "to keep his puppy from distractions". He only put it up along our fence, and stopped it where his other backyard neighbors fences meet. I assume it's because we have a dog. He plays very loud games with his middle school kids, and many times these result in balls and frisbees and nerf toys winding up in my yard. Three times so far this year, I've caught this guy climbing one neighbor's fence so he can hop into my yard (and my very expansive garden) to fetch his stuff. He doesn't ask. I'm not comfortable with this. Here's the rub: In the last year, we adopted a dog who bites. We've worked with her on it, but have been informed she can never be alone with a stranger because she WILL bite them. If she bites this guy, are we legally liable? And, yes, I'm trying to get my husband to go talk to the guy. The fence makes it impossible to have a neighborly chat, so we have to walk two blocks to get to the front of his house. I'm so annoyed with him (since I'm home more and have to deal with his crazy) that I'm afraid I'll come across more aggressive than would be helpful. | d5pf3ez | d5osk7l | 1,469,410,345 | 1,469,373,709 | 5 | 4 | Maybe emphasize to your husband potential drama and trouble that could result if this guy gets bitten (or his kids if they decide to start hopping the fence) and send him over with a plate of brownies and instructions not to mention the 8 zillion ways they're annoying. | States vary depending on liability for trespassers who are bitten by dogs. You should have signs at all points of entrance notifying people that there is an aggressive dog, regardless. Check your state's laws for a decent answer. /u/postaccount322 is right, animals with known dangerous tendencies are sometimes treated differently. | 1 | 36,636 | 1.25 |
4udb9r | legaladvice_train | 0.79 | [MI] Am I liable if my neighbor comes in my yard uninvited and my dog bites him? I have an annoying neighbor. He runs his VERY loud generator at all hours (I have no idea why); mows his lawn at 7 AM; claps to his dog constantly and sings loudly. He also likes to trim the trees that overhang his yard, but throw the branches back in mine. His backyard and my backyard touch. When he first moved in, he put up an 8 ft tall bamboo screen directly against our fence "to keep his puppy from distractions". He only put it up along our fence, and stopped it where his other backyard neighbors fences meet. I assume it's because we have a dog. He plays very loud games with his middle school kids, and many times these result in balls and frisbees and nerf toys winding up in my yard. Three times so far this year, I've caught this guy climbing one neighbor's fence so he can hop into my yard (and my very expansive garden) to fetch his stuff. He doesn't ask. I'm not comfortable with this. Here's the rub: In the last year, we adopted a dog who bites. We've worked with her on it, but have been informed she can never be alone with a stranger because she WILL bite them. If she bites this guy, are we legally liable? And, yes, I'm trying to get my husband to go talk to the guy. The fence makes it impossible to have a neighborly chat, so we have to walk two blocks to get to the front of his house. I'm so annoyed with him (since I'm home more and have to deal with his crazy) that I'm afraid I'll come across more aggressive than would be helpful. | d5pf3ez | d5pai5o | 1,469,410,345 | 1,469,402,927 | 5 | 3 | Maybe emphasize to your husband potential drama and trouble that could result if this guy gets bitten (or his kids if they decide to start hopping the fence) and send him over with a plate of brownies and instructions not to mention the 8 zillion ways they're annoying. | Whatever you decide to do, get security cameras regardless. | 1 | 7,418 | 1.666667 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7andc | dm7ahth | 1,503,860,645 | 1,503,860,443 | 490 | 300 | They can go after the previous owner. See the Alberta Line Fence Act. I don't think they can go after you. They would have two years from the time the fence was built to sue the previous owner. Relations with neighbours are always difficult and if they had asked nicely I might consider paying them. But jerks aren't likely to be less jerky; might make them more jerky if you pay them. | Ethically and legally, I would tell them to pound sand. | 1 | 202 | 1.633333 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7atos | dm7bth2 | 1,503,860,878 | 1,503,862,180 | 50 | 184 | Not your fence, not your issue. | Sometimes it is useful to review a dispute from the perspective of the other party. In this case, they erected a fence, and expected to be reimbursed for half, under the Line Fence Act. They are out a good sum, and they want it. And as far as they are concerned, you are now the person on the other side of their good sum of money. Line Fence Act states that a landowner's obligations to reimburse a landowner for the costs of the fence commence >...as soon as that owner or occupier receives any benefit or advantage from the line or boundary fence by the enclosure of that owner’s or occupier’s land or any portion of it or otherwise It occurs to me that if you made an offer on the house, and in that offer placed any value on the pre-existing fence, then the previous landowner received a benefit, and at that time became liable to your neighbors. However, you did not. Furthermore, the statute cannot be read that every time a plot of land is purchased the new owners owe half of the value of the surrounding fences to anyone who erected them. So it does not seem reasonable that an obligation to reimburse your neighbor should apply to you. Therefore, in the spirit of mending metaphorical fences, I might recommend you explain to your neighbor that the fence was part of the purchased property and that their dispute is with the previous owner, and that you are willing to co-operate with them to bring about a mediated solution. But stress that their issue is with the vendor, and not with you. | 0 | 1,302 | 3.68 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7b8hb | dm7bth2 | 1,503,861,417 | 1,503,862,180 | 27 | 184 | >We live in Alberta, Canada. I don't know the laws of Alberta, Canada. So I will speak only in broad generalities. >We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. If it were me, I would tell the neighbor that I wasn't sure what the law said about the requirement for a neighbor to share the cost of a fence, but that I was willing to presume for discussion that that this was required. And therefore I wished him luck with the process of collecting it from the previous owner whose house it was when the fence was put in. (I had, I would explain if necessary, purchased the house, but not the previous owner's debts.) The truth is that I WOULDN'T wish the neighbor well in the pursuit of this undocumented and un-negotiated debt, but it isn't polite to say so and besides, I have to live near this ass, so there's no reason to antagonize him further. I would also mention that I was willing to share all costs for ongoing maintenance of the fence *SO LONG AS* those maintenance costs were discussed and agreed on beforehand (and ONLY if agreed on beforehand). In general, my goal here is to AVOID arguing the law with this neighbor (because it isn't likely to be productive), but to deflect by using my neighbor's idea of the law to send him after some other party. Preferably one who doesn't have to live near him. Edit: if the developer owned the property before you did, that's great! I would use all the above arguments to tell the neighbor to go bother the developer instead. | Sometimes it is useful to review a dispute from the perspective of the other party. In this case, they erected a fence, and expected to be reimbursed for half, under the Line Fence Act. They are out a good sum, and they want it. And as far as they are concerned, you are now the person on the other side of their good sum of money. Line Fence Act states that a landowner's obligations to reimburse a landowner for the costs of the fence commence >...as soon as that owner or occupier receives any benefit or advantage from the line or boundary fence by the enclosure of that owner’s or occupier’s land or any portion of it or otherwise It occurs to me that if you made an offer on the house, and in that offer placed any value on the pre-existing fence, then the previous landowner received a benefit, and at that time became liable to your neighbors. However, you did not. Furthermore, the statute cannot be read that every time a plot of land is purchased the new owners owe half of the value of the surrounding fences to anyone who erected them. So it does not seem reasonable that an obligation to reimburse your neighbor should apply to you. Therefore, in the spirit of mending metaphorical fences, I might recommend you explain to your neighbor that the fence was part of the purchased property and that their dispute is with the previous owner, and that you are willing to co-operate with them to bring about a mediated solution. But stress that their issue is with the vendor, and not with you. | 0 | 763 | 6.814815 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lpjj | dm7min1 | 1,503,875,257 | 1,503,876,383 | 50 | 93 | Ethically speaking you shouldn't pay them a penny. | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | 0 | 1,126 | 1.86 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7min1 | dm7atos | 1,503,876,383 | 1,503,860,878 | 93 | 50 | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | Not your fence, not your issue. | 1 | 15,505 | 1.86 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7hm52 | dm7min1 | 1,503,869,751 | 1,503,876,383 | 53 | 93 | >Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost You have zero obligation, not even the one mentioned above. Your neighbors are assholes and conceding will only make them more demanding in the future. They wanted a fence so they built one - let them pay for it. | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | 0 | 6,632 | 1.754717 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7b8hb | dm7min1 | 1,503,861,417 | 1,503,876,383 | 27 | 93 | >We live in Alberta, Canada. I don't know the laws of Alberta, Canada. So I will speak only in broad generalities. >We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. If it were me, I would tell the neighbor that I wasn't sure what the law said about the requirement for a neighbor to share the cost of a fence, but that I was willing to presume for discussion that that this was required. And therefore I wished him luck with the process of collecting it from the previous owner whose house it was when the fence was put in. (I had, I would explain if necessary, purchased the house, but not the previous owner's debts.) The truth is that I WOULDN'T wish the neighbor well in the pursuit of this undocumented and un-negotiated debt, but it isn't polite to say so and besides, I have to live near this ass, so there's no reason to antagonize him further. I would also mention that I was willing to share all costs for ongoing maintenance of the fence *SO LONG AS* those maintenance costs were discussed and agreed on beforehand (and ONLY if agreed on beforehand). In general, my goal here is to AVOID arguing the law with this neighbor (because it isn't likely to be productive), but to deflect by using my neighbor's idea of the law to send him after some other party. Preferably one who doesn't have to live near him. Edit: if the developer owned the property before you did, that's great! I would use all the above arguments to tell the neighbor to go bother the developer instead. | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | 0 | 14,966 | 3.444444 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7k95z | dm7min1 | 1,503,873,250 | 1,503,876,383 | 23 | 93 | Check with the lawyer you used for you home purchase. They will give you the best way to proceed. | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | 0 | 3,133 | 4.043478 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7min1 | dm7kj45 | 1,503,876,383 | 1,503,873,632 | 93 | 24 | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | Alberta Line Fence Act would state they have to go after the previous owner or the developer. You yourself are not liable for that. You would be within your right as the new owner to build a new fence and split those costs with them, but a preexisting fence is not your responsibility to pay for, only to maintain. You could consult a lawyer about this but be prepared to pay a fee for their time and consideration. Realistically, it would likely cost more for them to sue you than they could ever receive in the battle, so it's probable they're just trying to intimidate you into paying and won't actually go after you for it. I think most likely that they also know it isn't your debt to pay and ate just trying to get the money. I would inform them that they need to work that out with the developer/previous owner. Source: I live in AB and have looked into this before. | 1 | 2,751 | 3.875 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lnx1 | dm7min1 | 1,503,875,194 | 1,503,876,383 | 16 | 93 | The only thing I keep thinking is that with neighbors like that, you NEED a fence! | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | 0 | 1,189 | 5.8125 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7kmab | dm7min1 | 1,503,873,750 | 1,503,876,383 | 13 | 93 | I would think that the first order of business would be to get a survey so that you know whether it's actually a shared fence. | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | 0 | 2,633 | 7.153846 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7k20a | dm7min1 | 1,503,872,973 | 1,503,876,383 | 10 | 93 | Tbh I'd just tell them to fuck right off and sue me. | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | 0 | 3,410 | 9.3 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7min1 | dm7fpm0 | 1,503,876,383 | 1,503,867,260 | 93 | 10 | How do you know that they weren't already reimbursed? Call the developers and see. Ethically you don't owe them shit. 1000 bucks is a nice chunk. They are harassing you and making you uncomfortable in your own yard. Tell them to piss off. | Tell them that without a legitimate receipt or statement that shows you the exact amount you would need to pay I would tell them to piss off. You're not going to pay an amount verbally told to you by people who were too rude to even introduce themselves before demanding you pay them money. | 1 | 9,123 | 9.3 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lpjj | dm7b8hb | 1,503,875,257 | 1,503,861,417 | 50 | 27 | Ethically speaking you shouldn't pay them a penny. | >We live in Alberta, Canada. I don't know the laws of Alberta, Canada. So I will speak only in broad generalities. >We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. If it were me, I would tell the neighbor that I wasn't sure what the law said about the requirement for a neighbor to share the cost of a fence, but that I was willing to presume for discussion that that this was required. And therefore I wished him luck with the process of collecting it from the previous owner whose house it was when the fence was put in. (I had, I would explain if necessary, purchased the house, but not the previous owner's debts.) The truth is that I WOULDN'T wish the neighbor well in the pursuit of this undocumented and un-negotiated debt, but it isn't polite to say so and besides, I have to live near this ass, so there's no reason to antagonize him further. I would also mention that I was willing to share all costs for ongoing maintenance of the fence *SO LONG AS* those maintenance costs were discussed and agreed on beforehand (and ONLY if agreed on beforehand). In general, my goal here is to AVOID arguing the law with this neighbor (because it isn't likely to be productive), but to deflect by using my neighbor's idea of the law to send him after some other party. Preferably one who doesn't have to live near him. Edit: if the developer owned the property before you did, that's great! I would use all the above arguments to tell the neighbor to go bother the developer instead. | 1 | 13,840 | 1.851852 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lpjj | dm7k95z | 1,503,875,257 | 1,503,873,250 | 50 | 23 | Ethically speaking you shouldn't pay them a penny. | Check with the lawyer you used for you home purchase. They will give you the best way to proceed. | 1 | 2,007 | 2.173913 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7kj45 | dm7lpjj | 1,503,873,632 | 1,503,875,257 | 24 | 50 | Alberta Line Fence Act would state they have to go after the previous owner or the developer. You yourself are not liable for that. You would be within your right as the new owner to build a new fence and split those costs with them, but a preexisting fence is not your responsibility to pay for, only to maintain. You could consult a lawyer about this but be prepared to pay a fee for their time and consideration. Realistically, it would likely cost more for them to sue you than they could ever receive in the battle, so it's probable they're just trying to intimidate you into paying and won't actually go after you for it. I think most likely that they also know it isn't your debt to pay and ate just trying to get the money. I would inform them that they need to work that out with the developer/previous owner. Source: I live in AB and have looked into this before. | Ethically speaking you shouldn't pay them a penny. | 0 | 1,625 | 2.083333 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lpjj | dm7lnx1 | 1,503,875,257 | 1,503,875,194 | 50 | 16 | Ethically speaking you shouldn't pay them a penny. | The only thing I keep thinking is that with neighbors like that, you NEED a fence! | 1 | 63 | 3.125 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lpjj | dm7kmab | 1,503,875,257 | 1,503,873,750 | 50 | 13 | Ethically speaking you shouldn't pay them a penny. | I would think that the first order of business would be to get a survey so that you know whether it's actually a shared fence. | 1 | 1,507 | 3.846154 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lpjj | dm7k20a | 1,503,875,257 | 1,503,872,973 | 50 | 10 | Ethically speaking you shouldn't pay them a penny. | Tbh I'd just tell them to fuck right off and sue me. | 1 | 2,284 | 5 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lpjj | dm7fpm0 | 1,503,875,257 | 1,503,867,260 | 50 | 10 | Ethically speaking you shouldn't pay them a penny. | Tell them that without a legitimate receipt or statement that shows you the exact amount you would need to pay I would tell them to piss off. You're not going to pay an amount verbally told to you by people who were too rude to even introduce themselves before demanding you pay them money. | 1 | 7,997 | 5 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7atos | dm7hm52 | 1,503,860,878 | 1,503,869,751 | 50 | 53 | Not your fence, not your issue. | >Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost You have zero obligation, not even the one mentioned above. Your neighbors are assholes and conceding will only make them more demanding in the future. They wanted a fence so they built one - let them pay for it. | 0 | 8,873 | 1.06 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7b8hb | dm7hm52 | 1,503,861,417 | 1,503,869,751 | 27 | 53 | >We live in Alberta, Canada. I don't know the laws of Alberta, Canada. So I will speak only in broad generalities. >We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. If it were me, I would tell the neighbor that I wasn't sure what the law said about the requirement for a neighbor to share the cost of a fence, but that I was willing to presume for discussion that that this was required. And therefore I wished him luck with the process of collecting it from the previous owner whose house it was when the fence was put in. (I had, I would explain if necessary, purchased the house, but not the previous owner's debts.) The truth is that I WOULDN'T wish the neighbor well in the pursuit of this undocumented and un-negotiated debt, but it isn't polite to say so and besides, I have to live near this ass, so there's no reason to antagonize him further. I would also mention that I was willing to share all costs for ongoing maintenance of the fence *SO LONG AS* those maintenance costs were discussed and agreed on beforehand (and ONLY if agreed on beforehand). In general, my goal here is to AVOID arguing the law with this neighbor (because it isn't likely to be productive), but to deflect by using my neighbor's idea of the law to send him after some other party. Preferably one who doesn't have to live near him. Edit: if the developer owned the property before you did, that's great! I would use all the above arguments to tell the neighbor to go bother the developer instead. | >Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost You have zero obligation, not even the one mentioned above. Your neighbors are assholes and conceding will only make them more demanding in the future. They wanted a fence so they built one - let them pay for it. | 0 | 8,334 | 1.962963 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7fpm0 | dm7hm52 | 1,503,867,260 | 1,503,869,751 | 10 | 53 | Tell them that without a legitimate receipt or statement that shows you the exact amount you would need to pay I would tell them to piss off. You're not going to pay an amount verbally told to you by people who were too rude to even introduce themselves before demanding you pay them money. | >Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost You have zero obligation, not even the one mentioned above. Your neighbors are assholes and conceding will only make them more demanding in the future. They wanted a fence so they built one - let them pay for it. | 0 | 2,491 | 5.3 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7kj45 | dm7k95z | 1,503,873,632 | 1,503,873,250 | 24 | 23 | Alberta Line Fence Act would state they have to go after the previous owner or the developer. You yourself are not liable for that. You would be within your right as the new owner to build a new fence and split those costs with them, but a preexisting fence is not your responsibility to pay for, only to maintain. You could consult a lawyer about this but be prepared to pay a fee for their time and consideration. Realistically, it would likely cost more for them to sue you than they could ever receive in the battle, so it's probable they're just trying to intimidate you into paying and won't actually go after you for it. I think most likely that they also know it isn't your debt to pay and ate just trying to get the money. I would inform them that they need to work that out with the developer/previous owner. Source: I live in AB and have looked into this before. | Check with the lawyer you used for you home purchase. They will give you the best way to proceed. | 1 | 382 | 1.043478 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7k95z | dm7k20a | 1,503,873,250 | 1,503,872,973 | 23 | 10 | Check with the lawyer you used for you home purchase. They will give you the best way to proceed. | Tbh I'd just tell them to fuck right off and sue me. | 1 | 277 | 2.3 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7k95z | dm7fpm0 | 1,503,873,250 | 1,503,867,260 | 23 | 10 | Check with the lawyer you used for you home purchase. They will give you the best way to proceed. | Tell them that without a legitimate receipt or statement that shows you the exact amount you would need to pay I would tell them to piss off. You're not going to pay an amount verbally told to you by people who were too rude to even introduce themselves before demanding you pay them money. | 1 | 5,990 | 2.3 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7kj45 | dm7k20a | 1,503,873,632 | 1,503,872,973 | 24 | 10 | Alberta Line Fence Act would state they have to go after the previous owner or the developer. You yourself are not liable for that. You would be within your right as the new owner to build a new fence and split those costs with them, but a preexisting fence is not your responsibility to pay for, only to maintain. You could consult a lawyer about this but be prepared to pay a fee for their time and consideration. Realistically, it would likely cost more for them to sue you than they could ever receive in the battle, so it's probable they're just trying to intimidate you into paying and won't actually go after you for it. I think most likely that they also know it isn't your debt to pay and ate just trying to get the money. I would inform them that they need to work that out with the developer/previous owner. Source: I live in AB and have looked into this before. | Tbh I'd just tell them to fuck right off and sue me. | 1 | 659 | 2.4 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7kj45 | dm7fpm0 | 1,503,873,632 | 1,503,867,260 | 24 | 10 | Alberta Line Fence Act would state they have to go after the previous owner or the developer. You yourself are not liable for that. You would be within your right as the new owner to build a new fence and split those costs with them, but a preexisting fence is not your responsibility to pay for, only to maintain. You could consult a lawyer about this but be prepared to pay a fee for their time and consideration. Realistically, it would likely cost more for them to sue you than they could ever receive in the battle, so it's probable they're just trying to intimidate you into paying and won't actually go after you for it. I think most likely that they also know it isn't your debt to pay and ate just trying to get the money. I would inform them that they need to work that out with the developer/previous owner. Source: I live in AB and have looked into this before. | Tell them that without a legitimate receipt or statement that shows you the exact amount you would need to pay I would tell them to piss off. You're not going to pay an amount verbally told to you by people who were too rude to even introduce themselves before demanding you pay them money. | 1 | 6,372 | 2.4 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lnx1 | dm7vzmm | 1,503,875,194 | 1,503,888,893 | 16 | 19 | The only thing I keep thinking is that with neighbors like that, you NEED a fence! | I think the most ethical thing to do would be to use the money that they claim you owe, and use it to get a land survey if you haven't had one yet. Who knows, maybe they vandalized your property with their fence. | 0 | 13,699 | 1.1875 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7vzmm | dm7kmab | 1,503,888,893 | 1,503,873,750 | 19 | 13 | I think the most ethical thing to do would be to use the money that they claim you owe, and use it to get a land survey if you haven't had one yet. Who knows, maybe they vandalized your property with their fence. | I would think that the first order of business would be to get a survey so that you know whether it's actually a shared fence. | 1 | 15,143 | 1.461538 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7vzmm | dm7k20a | 1,503,888,893 | 1,503,872,973 | 19 | 10 | I think the most ethical thing to do would be to use the money that they claim you owe, and use it to get a land survey if you haven't had one yet. Who knows, maybe they vandalized your property with their fence. | Tbh I'd just tell them to fuck right off and sue me. | 1 | 15,920 | 1.9 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7nket | dm7vzmm | 1,503,877,854 | 1,503,888,893 | 10 | 19 | You could do some legwork for them. Call the developer and say that you are thinking about building a fence and want to understand who would be responsible for paying half since the neighboring house is still developer-owned. They would deal with that all the time. If they say "no problem, just fill out this form and we'll pay you," then you're set to pass some good info to the neighbor. If they say "there's a clause in your purchase contract that says it's all your responsibility," then you have some bad info to pass on. | I think the most ethical thing to do would be to use the money that they claim you owe, and use it to get a land survey if you haven't had one yet. Who knows, maybe they vandalized your property with their fence. | 0 | 11,039 | 1.9 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7vzmm | dm7fpm0 | 1,503,888,893 | 1,503,867,260 | 19 | 10 | I think the most ethical thing to do would be to use the money that they claim you owe, and use it to get a land survey if you haven't had one yet. Who knows, maybe they vandalized your property with their fence. | Tell them that without a legitimate receipt or statement that shows you the exact amount you would need to pay I would tell them to piss off. You're not going to pay an amount verbally told to you by people who were too rude to even introduce themselves before demanding you pay them money. | 1 | 21,633 | 1.9 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7uljx | dm7vzmm | 1,503,887,421 | 1,503,888,893 | 9 | 19 | Have you spoken with the previous owner? Maybe they are trying to double-dip after already having shared the cost. | I think the most ethical thing to do would be to use the money that they claim you owe, and use it to get a land survey if you haven't had one yet. Who knows, maybe they vandalized your property with their fence. | 0 | 1,472 | 2.111111 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7kmab | dm7lnx1 | 1,503,873,750 | 1,503,875,194 | 13 | 16 | I would think that the first order of business would be to get a survey so that you know whether it's actually a shared fence. | The only thing I keep thinking is that with neighbors like that, you NEED a fence! | 0 | 1,444 | 1.230769 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7lnx1 | dm7k20a | 1,503,875,194 | 1,503,872,973 | 16 | 10 | The only thing I keep thinking is that with neighbors like that, you NEED a fence! | Tbh I'd just tell them to fuck right off and sue me. | 1 | 2,221 | 1.6 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7fpm0 | dm7lnx1 | 1,503,867,260 | 1,503,875,194 | 10 | 16 | Tell them that without a legitimate receipt or statement that shows you the exact amount you would need to pay I would tell them to piss off. You're not going to pay an amount verbally told to you by people who were too rude to even introduce themselves before demanding you pay them money. | The only thing I keep thinking is that with neighbors like that, you NEED a fence! | 0 | 7,934 | 1.6 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7kmab | dm7k20a | 1,503,873,750 | 1,503,872,973 | 13 | 10 | I would think that the first order of business would be to get a survey so that you know whether it's actually a shared fence. | Tbh I'd just tell them to fuck right off and sue me. | 1 | 777 | 1.3 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm7kmab | dm7fpm0 | 1,503,873,750 | 1,503,867,260 | 13 | 10 | I would think that the first order of business would be to get a survey so that you know whether it's actually a shared fence. | Tell them that without a legitimate receipt or statement that shows you the exact amount you would need to pay I would tell them to piss off. You're not going to pay an amount verbally told to you by people who were too rude to even introduce themselves before demanding you pay them money. | 1 | 6,490 | 1.3 |
6wdzzx | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | (AB, Canada). Neighbors built a fence before we bought our house. Now they want 50 percent. We live in Alberta, Canada. We took possession of our new house in August 2016. The fence separating our yard with the neighbors behind us had already been built sometime before we moved in. This summer we started working on our yard and our neighbors behind us have started harassing us for money for the fence they built before we moved in. Basically every time we go into the yard they ask us if we have a cheque for them. We've discussed the issue with them. They have no bill or receipt for the fence, so they've verbally given us a $ amount of what they say they paid (33/linear foot) and told us to measure the back fence and pay 50 percent of 33/linear foot. They confirmed the fence was completed months before we took possession, but don't feel that matters. It's a decent amount of $ (about 1000) and they're quite rude... They've never even introduced themselves or spoken to us other than rudely demanding money. Ethically speaking I know we should probably just pay them the cost (this all started a month ago so we haven't done anything yet... We haven't even finished building the fence on the sides of the house in conjunction with our other neighbors yet because the one house is still being built and the other guy just moved in so we want him to have time to get settled). But they're being really, really rude (the wife yelled at me today with my 18 month old son and I playing in the yard). When they first approached us (literally didn't even say hi, just asked us when we would be paying for the fence as we owe them 33/linear foot, and I actually just learned their names today because they are so short with us) I told them my husband and I needed a few weeks to discuss as this is a lot of money and we weren't expecting it. And that we'd follow up with them in a few weeks as we had company over at the time. Since then they've made comments every time we step into the yard. I'm getting frustrated and don't just want to blindly write a cheque simply to have them leave us alone as I think that's the tactic they're hoping for. Legally speaking, what is my obligation given they have no receipts and did the fence months before we bought the property? Do we just write then a cheque based off their word? | dm861ma | dm86od1 | 1,503,906,716 | 1,503,908,491 | 7 | 9 | Have you checked to make sure the fence is on the property line and not three (or more) feet into your yard? Since they are that rude, I would not put it past them. | Ethically speaking you don't owe them shit. They built it before you bought the house. They can ask the previous owner for it. If they didn't want to pay 100%, then they shouldn't have bought it. | 0 | 1,775 | 1.285714 |
uzdshm | legaladvice_train | 0.84 | [Georgia] Neighbor firing gun off his porch to intimidate us because he’s upset every time my dog barks - it’s definitely threatening toward us Is this legal? If it is illegal what’s the law he’s breaking? My dog really doesn’t bark unless somebody is coming into the yard it’s weird he’s taking this so extremely, we’re way out in the country, people have dogs out here. | iacg1bz | iaa3mld | 1,653,766,050 | 1,653,713,404 | 35 | 15 | Georgia LEO here depending on jurisdiction could be county ordinance violations. Depending on how he is firing the weapon, ie. In the air, state law reckless conduct Olga 16-5-60. Unless his intent is to intimidate you, pointing weapon at you or has made statements of wanting to harm you, your feelings don’t matter. Call local law enforcement. Most counties and cities have ordinances of firing within a certain distance of another residence. | What did your local police say when you called them? Reddit is the wrong place for this question if you have not called local law enforcement if you claim you are being threatened with a gun/shots fired. | 1 | 52,646 | 2.333333 |
uzdshm | legaladvice_train | 0.84 | [Georgia] Neighbor firing gun off his porch to intimidate us because he’s upset every time my dog barks - it’s definitely threatening toward us Is this legal? If it is illegal what’s the law he’s breaking? My dog really doesn’t bark unless somebody is coming into the yard it’s weird he’s taking this so extremely, we’re way out in the country, people have dogs out here. | iacg1bz | iaayf1h | 1,653,766,050 | 1,653,739,126 | 35 | 10 | Georgia LEO here depending on jurisdiction could be county ordinance violations. Depending on how he is firing the weapon, ie. In the air, state law reckless conduct Olga 16-5-60. Unless his intent is to intimidate you, pointing weapon at you or has made statements of wanting to harm you, your feelings don’t matter. Call local law enforcement. Most counties and cities have ordinances of firing within a certain distance of another residence. | Is he within 50 yards of a road when he does that? | 1 | 26,924 | 3.5 |
uzdshm | legaladvice_train | 0.84 | [Georgia] Neighbor firing gun off his porch to intimidate us because he’s upset every time my dog barks - it’s definitely threatening toward us Is this legal? If it is illegal what’s the law he’s breaking? My dog really doesn’t bark unless somebody is coming into the yard it’s weird he’s taking this so extremely, we’re way out in the country, people have dogs out here. | iaairi3 | iacg1bz | 1,653,725,822 | 1,653,766,050 | 8 | 35 | Illegally discharging a weapon Brandishing of a firearm depending on if the state prohibits that Intimidation/terroristic threat possibly Call the cops, it has been escalated enough to warrant their presence. | Georgia LEO here depending on jurisdiction could be county ordinance violations. Depending on how he is firing the weapon, ie. In the air, state law reckless conduct Olga 16-5-60. Unless his intent is to intimidate you, pointing weapon at you or has made statements of wanting to harm you, your feelings don’t matter. Call local law enforcement. Most counties and cities have ordinances of firing within a certain distance of another residence. | 0 | 40,228 | 4.375 |
uzdshm | legaladvice_train | 0.84 | [Georgia] Neighbor firing gun off his porch to intimidate us because he’s upset every time my dog barks - it’s definitely threatening toward us Is this legal? If it is illegal what’s the law he’s breaking? My dog really doesn’t bark unless somebody is coming into the yard it’s weird he’s taking this so extremely, we’re way out in the country, people have dogs out here. | iaayf1h | iaairi3 | 1,653,739,126 | 1,653,725,822 | 10 | 8 | Is he within 50 yards of a road when he does that? | Illegally discharging a weapon Brandishing of a firearm depending on if the state prohibits that Intimidation/terroristic threat possibly Call the cops, it has been escalated enough to warrant their presence. | 1 | 13,304 | 1.25 |
3ghabg | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [Ontario] Neighbor's kids stole some of my pepper plants. They ate them, got hurt, now they want to sue. Facebook friend told me to post here for advice. Almost a year ago, I had moved out of the city and into a rural community. By rural, I have 3 neighbors within half a kilometre. With the land I had access to (and own), I started my own garden as a fun project in early spring. I have 2 neighbors beside my propery, one of them are an elderly couple who are the nicest people I've ever met. The other are a family with 2 little boys. They're 6 to 11. Not sure about their exact age. I planted a lot of stuff like green onion, tomatoes, watermelon, peppers and a lot more. But, I was given a few pepper seeds from a friend of mine a few weeks prior. They were the Carolina Reaper, the hottest pepper in the world, like literally pepper spray in your mouth. My intentions were not really to eat them as they are, but to have them dried and minced and added to things because why the hell not? The land around my yard isn't fenced. The borders of land are marked by skinny trees. My garden was atleast 80 metres from the trees. Alright, time to begin. My garden had started to flower about a month ago, so I decided I would share some of my yield of tomatoes, strawberries, bell peppers with my neighbor. The little boys who noticed my garden would come by often to watch me move dirt or water my garden, and I would sometimes let them pick strawberries to eat, and their parents had full knowledge of this. But then, I began to notice that even unripe fruits would go missing from plants after a plant with 3 tomatoes just went naked. So, while I was washing dishes I saw the boys run into my garden and pick a few fruits and run back to their house. No big deal, I'll just tell them to stop. The mother thanked me and said they won't be doing it anymore. They still came by when I was working on the garden, and I let them take fruits/veg then. Then, last week, my Carolina Reaper peppers grew. They were had a sharp curled tip, looked awesome and scary. 3 days ago, I got a bang on my door from the father of the boys saying I poisoned their sons. I asked him what he meant, and he said that after I gave them stuff from my garden, they came home with burned hands, a headache, extreme mouth pain and distress. I explained to him that all I gave him were strawberries and other things that were safe to eat, and that I've been doing it for weeks. He said that he would sue me, or I would have to pay physical cash for their stress. He left my property and I run out back and see that some of my carolina reaper peppers were on the ground, one with a bite mark on it. I went over to their house right away and explained to them what they ate and they went full apeshit saying their boys wouldn't steal after they were told not to. He shows me video of the boys crying with bright red faces and kept blaming me. I told him that I never gave them the peppers, and that they were the ones who stole them without asking. The next day, I come home from work to see my carolina reaper plants (I have 3), and my small containers with chocolate tomato plants, gone. I went over to their house and saw my broken pots in their yard, I asked them what the fuck did they to my garden. The mother told me his husband seized the plants legally because they were a threat to the safety of their kids. I told them they came on private property illegally, and damaged my property and pots. She denied that she broke any pots, but I ran to the back and pick a shard of my pot and showed it to her. She told me that is was hers, bullshit. So, now, the father dropped a letter saying they will sue me in court and get damages because of what I did to their kids, or I can pay $3500 straight up. I don't want to call the police in case I have to, because I don't want to spend money on a lawyer to defend myself in a lawsuit. what the fuck should I do from here? the deadline to pay him is on friday. | cty3664 | cty370s | 1,439,224,098 | 1,439,224,134 | 161 | 701 | Police immediately. Do not pay him. | File a police report about the vandalism and stolen property. Take pictures. Put up a No Trespassing sign. WAIT for him to actually file suit in court against you. Because guess what, he totally won't. Ignore his letter completely. The only thing you could possibly (and very very remotely) be on the hook for is actual medical bills. "Stress" doesn't count. You probably don't even need a lawyer for small claims court (I don't know the laws in your state: I am not a lawyer). If you notice the kids in your yard again after you post your sign and file the report, you should invest in some security cameras. | 0 | 36 | 4.354037 |
3ghabg | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [Ontario] Neighbor's kids stole some of my pepper plants. They ate them, got hurt, now they want to sue. Facebook friend told me to post here for advice. Almost a year ago, I had moved out of the city and into a rural community. By rural, I have 3 neighbors within half a kilometre. With the land I had access to (and own), I started my own garden as a fun project in early spring. I have 2 neighbors beside my propery, one of them are an elderly couple who are the nicest people I've ever met. The other are a family with 2 little boys. They're 6 to 11. Not sure about their exact age. I planted a lot of stuff like green onion, tomatoes, watermelon, peppers and a lot more. But, I was given a few pepper seeds from a friend of mine a few weeks prior. They were the Carolina Reaper, the hottest pepper in the world, like literally pepper spray in your mouth. My intentions were not really to eat them as they are, but to have them dried and minced and added to things because why the hell not? The land around my yard isn't fenced. The borders of land are marked by skinny trees. My garden was atleast 80 metres from the trees. Alright, time to begin. My garden had started to flower about a month ago, so I decided I would share some of my yield of tomatoes, strawberries, bell peppers with my neighbor. The little boys who noticed my garden would come by often to watch me move dirt or water my garden, and I would sometimes let them pick strawberries to eat, and their parents had full knowledge of this. But then, I began to notice that even unripe fruits would go missing from plants after a plant with 3 tomatoes just went naked. So, while I was washing dishes I saw the boys run into my garden and pick a few fruits and run back to their house. No big deal, I'll just tell them to stop. The mother thanked me and said they won't be doing it anymore. They still came by when I was working on the garden, and I let them take fruits/veg then. Then, last week, my Carolina Reaper peppers grew. They were had a sharp curled tip, looked awesome and scary. 3 days ago, I got a bang on my door from the father of the boys saying I poisoned their sons. I asked him what he meant, and he said that after I gave them stuff from my garden, they came home with burned hands, a headache, extreme mouth pain and distress. I explained to him that all I gave him were strawberries and other things that were safe to eat, and that I've been doing it for weeks. He said that he would sue me, or I would have to pay physical cash for their stress. He left my property and I run out back and see that some of my carolina reaper peppers were on the ground, one with a bite mark on it. I went over to their house right away and explained to them what they ate and they went full apeshit saying their boys wouldn't steal after they were told not to. He shows me video of the boys crying with bright red faces and kept blaming me. I told him that I never gave them the peppers, and that they were the ones who stole them without asking. The next day, I come home from work to see my carolina reaper plants (I have 3), and my small containers with chocolate tomato plants, gone. I went over to their house and saw my broken pots in their yard, I asked them what the fuck did they to my garden. The mother told me his husband seized the plants legally because they were a threat to the safety of their kids. I told them they came on private property illegally, and damaged my property and pots. She denied that she broke any pots, but I ran to the back and pick a shard of my pot and showed it to her. She told me that is was hers, bullshit. So, now, the father dropped a letter saying they will sue me in court and get damages because of what I did to their kids, or I can pay $3500 straight up. I don't want to call the police in case I have to, because I don't want to spend money on a lawyer to defend myself in a lawsuit. what the fuck should I do from here? the deadline to pay him is on friday. | cty370s | cty32n0 | 1,439,224,134 | 1,439,223,952 | 701 | 103 | File a police report about the vandalism and stolen property. Take pictures. Put up a No Trespassing sign. WAIT for him to actually file suit in court against you. Because guess what, he totally won't. Ignore his letter completely. The only thing you could possibly (and very very remotely) be on the hook for is actual medical bills. "Stress" doesn't count. You probably don't even need a lawyer for small claims court (I don't know the laws in your state: I am not a lawyer). If you notice the kids in your yard again after you post your sign and file the report, you should invest in some security cameras. | You need to report this to the police your property was trespassed on. | 1 | 182 | 6.805825 |
3ghabg | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [Ontario] Neighbor's kids stole some of my pepper plants. They ate them, got hurt, now they want to sue. Facebook friend told me to post here for advice. Almost a year ago, I had moved out of the city and into a rural community. By rural, I have 3 neighbors within half a kilometre. With the land I had access to (and own), I started my own garden as a fun project in early spring. I have 2 neighbors beside my propery, one of them are an elderly couple who are the nicest people I've ever met. The other are a family with 2 little boys. They're 6 to 11. Not sure about their exact age. I planted a lot of stuff like green onion, tomatoes, watermelon, peppers and a lot more. But, I was given a few pepper seeds from a friend of mine a few weeks prior. They were the Carolina Reaper, the hottest pepper in the world, like literally pepper spray in your mouth. My intentions were not really to eat them as they are, but to have them dried and minced and added to things because why the hell not? The land around my yard isn't fenced. The borders of land are marked by skinny trees. My garden was atleast 80 metres from the trees. Alright, time to begin. My garden had started to flower about a month ago, so I decided I would share some of my yield of tomatoes, strawberries, bell peppers with my neighbor. The little boys who noticed my garden would come by often to watch me move dirt or water my garden, and I would sometimes let them pick strawberries to eat, and their parents had full knowledge of this. But then, I began to notice that even unripe fruits would go missing from plants after a plant with 3 tomatoes just went naked. So, while I was washing dishes I saw the boys run into my garden and pick a few fruits and run back to their house. No big deal, I'll just tell them to stop. The mother thanked me and said they won't be doing it anymore. They still came by when I was working on the garden, and I let them take fruits/veg then. Then, last week, my Carolina Reaper peppers grew. They were had a sharp curled tip, looked awesome and scary. 3 days ago, I got a bang on my door from the father of the boys saying I poisoned their sons. I asked him what he meant, and he said that after I gave them stuff from my garden, they came home with burned hands, a headache, extreme mouth pain and distress. I explained to him that all I gave him were strawberries and other things that were safe to eat, and that I've been doing it for weeks. He said that he would sue me, or I would have to pay physical cash for their stress. He left my property and I run out back and see that some of my carolina reaper peppers were on the ground, one with a bite mark on it. I went over to their house right away and explained to them what they ate and they went full apeshit saying their boys wouldn't steal after they were told not to. He shows me video of the boys crying with bright red faces and kept blaming me. I told him that I never gave them the peppers, and that they were the ones who stole them without asking. The next day, I come home from work to see my carolina reaper plants (I have 3), and my small containers with chocolate tomato plants, gone. I went over to their house and saw my broken pots in their yard, I asked them what the fuck did they to my garden. The mother told me his husband seized the plants legally because they were a threat to the safety of their kids. I told them they came on private property illegally, and damaged my property and pots. She denied that she broke any pots, but I ran to the back and pick a shard of my pot and showed it to her. She told me that is was hers, bullshit. So, now, the father dropped a letter saying they will sue me in court and get damages because of what I did to their kids, or I can pay $3500 straight up. I don't want to call the police in case I have to, because I don't want to spend money on a lawyer to defend myself in a lawsuit. what the fuck should I do from here? the deadline to pay him is on friday. | cty3664 | cty32n0 | 1,439,224,098 | 1,439,223,952 | 161 | 103 | Police immediately. Do not pay him. | You need to report this to the police your property was trespassed on. | 1 | 146 | 1.563107 |
3ghabg | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [Ontario] Neighbor's kids stole some of my pepper plants. They ate them, got hurt, now they want to sue. Facebook friend told me to post here for advice. Almost a year ago, I had moved out of the city and into a rural community. By rural, I have 3 neighbors within half a kilometre. With the land I had access to (and own), I started my own garden as a fun project in early spring. I have 2 neighbors beside my propery, one of them are an elderly couple who are the nicest people I've ever met. The other are a family with 2 little boys. They're 6 to 11. Not sure about their exact age. I planted a lot of stuff like green onion, tomatoes, watermelon, peppers and a lot more. But, I was given a few pepper seeds from a friend of mine a few weeks prior. They were the Carolina Reaper, the hottest pepper in the world, like literally pepper spray in your mouth. My intentions were not really to eat them as they are, but to have them dried and minced and added to things because why the hell not? The land around my yard isn't fenced. The borders of land are marked by skinny trees. My garden was atleast 80 metres from the trees. Alright, time to begin. My garden had started to flower about a month ago, so I decided I would share some of my yield of tomatoes, strawberries, bell peppers with my neighbor. The little boys who noticed my garden would come by often to watch me move dirt or water my garden, and I would sometimes let them pick strawberries to eat, and their parents had full knowledge of this. But then, I began to notice that even unripe fruits would go missing from plants after a plant with 3 tomatoes just went naked. So, while I was washing dishes I saw the boys run into my garden and pick a few fruits and run back to their house. No big deal, I'll just tell them to stop. The mother thanked me and said they won't be doing it anymore. They still came by when I was working on the garden, and I let them take fruits/veg then. Then, last week, my Carolina Reaper peppers grew. They were had a sharp curled tip, looked awesome and scary. 3 days ago, I got a bang on my door from the father of the boys saying I poisoned their sons. I asked him what he meant, and he said that after I gave them stuff from my garden, they came home with burned hands, a headache, extreme mouth pain and distress. I explained to him that all I gave him were strawberries and other things that were safe to eat, and that I've been doing it for weeks. He said that he would sue me, or I would have to pay physical cash for their stress. He left my property and I run out back and see that some of my carolina reaper peppers were on the ground, one with a bite mark on it. I went over to their house right away and explained to them what they ate and they went full apeshit saying their boys wouldn't steal after they were told not to. He shows me video of the boys crying with bright red faces and kept blaming me. I told him that I never gave them the peppers, and that they were the ones who stole them without asking. The next day, I come home from work to see my carolina reaper plants (I have 3), and my small containers with chocolate tomato plants, gone. I went over to their house and saw my broken pots in their yard, I asked them what the fuck did they to my garden. The mother told me his husband seized the plants legally because they were a threat to the safety of their kids. I told them they came on private property illegally, and damaged my property and pots. She denied that she broke any pots, but I ran to the back and pick a shard of my pot and showed it to her. She told me that is was hers, bullshit. So, now, the father dropped a letter saying they will sue me in court and get damages because of what I did to their kids, or I can pay $3500 straight up. I don't want to call the police in case I have to, because I don't want to spend money on a lawyer to defend myself in a lawsuit. what the fuck should I do from here? the deadline to pay him is on friday. | ctyakd4 | cty7ccq | 1,439,235,013 | 1,439,230,296 | 69 | 50 | I would point out that peppers don't actually do any harm. Capsaicin activates the nerve receptors resposible for feeling heat, so you avoid things that burn you. But there is no actual heat. No damage is occuring. It's nature's Gom Jabbar pain box. Police report. Trespassing by father. Property damage by father. I'd leave the kids out of it. If they haven't learned to not steal and eat strange things after a carolina reaper, well... Good thing Canada provides excellent social services 'cause they'll need it in a few years :p | For what it's worth, OP, I've been looking it up and it appears the "attractive nuisance" doctrine everyone is mentioning here is exclusive to U.S. law. At the very least, there's no equivalent in Canada that I can find. Best of luck to you. | 1 | 4,717 | 1.38 |
3ghabg | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [Ontario] Neighbor's kids stole some of my pepper plants. They ate them, got hurt, now they want to sue. Facebook friend told me to post here for advice. Almost a year ago, I had moved out of the city and into a rural community. By rural, I have 3 neighbors within half a kilometre. With the land I had access to (and own), I started my own garden as a fun project in early spring. I have 2 neighbors beside my propery, one of them are an elderly couple who are the nicest people I've ever met. The other are a family with 2 little boys. They're 6 to 11. Not sure about their exact age. I planted a lot of stuff like green onion, tomatoes, watermelon, peppers and a lot more. But, I was given a few pepper seeds from a friend of mine a few weeks prior. They were the Carolina Reaper, the hottest pepper in the world, like literally pepper spray in your mouth. My intentions were not really to eat them as they are, but to have them dried and minced and added to things because why the hell not? The land around my yard isn't fenced. The borders of land are marked by skinny trees. My garden was atleast 80 metres from the trees. Alright, time to begin. My garden had started to flower about a month ago, so I decided I would share some of my yield of tomatoes, strawberries, bell peppers with my neighbor. The little boys who noticed my garden would come by often to watch me move dirt or water my garden, and I would sometimes let them pick strawberries to eat, and their parents had full knowledge of this. But then, I began to notice that even unripe fruits would go missing from plants after a plant with 3 tomatoes just went naked. So, while I was washing dishes I saw the boys run into my garden and pick a few fruits and run back to their house. No big deal, I'll just tell them to stop. The mother thanked me and said they won't be doing it anymore. They still came by when I was working on the garden, and I let them take fruits/veg then. Then, last week, my Carolina Reaper peppers grew. They were had a sharp curled tip, looked awesome and scary. 3 days ago, I got a bang on my door from the father of the boys saying I poisoned their sons. I asked him what he meant, and he said that after I gave them stuff from my garden, they came home with burned hands, a headache, extreme mouth pain and distress. I explained to him that all I gave him were strawberries and other things that were safe to eat, and that I've been doing it for weeks. He said that he would sue me, or I would have to pay physical cash for their stress. He left my property and I run out back and see that some of my carolina reaper peppers were on the ground, one with a bite mark on it. I went over to their house right away and explained to them what they ate and they went full apeshit saying their boys wouldn't steal after they were told not to. He shows me video of the boys crying with bright red faces and kept blaming me. I told him that I never gave them the peppers, and that they were the ones who stole them without asking. The next day, I come home from work to see my carolina reaper plants (I have 3), and my small containers with chocolate tomato plants, gone. I went over to their house and saw my broken pots in their yard, I asked them what the fuck did they to my garden. The mother told me his husband seized the plants legally because they were a threat to the safety of their kids. I told them they came on private property illegally, and damaged my property and pots. She denied that she broke any pots, but I ran to the back and pick a shard of my pot and showed it to her. She told me that is was hers, bullshit. So, now, the father dropped a letter saying they will sue me in court and get damages because of what I did to their kids, or I can pay $3500 straight up. I don't want to call the police in case I have to, because I don't want to spend money on a lawyer to defend myself in a lawsuit. what the fuck should I do from here? the deadline to pay him is on friday. | ctyakd4 | cty4nds | 1,439,235,013 | 1,439,226,333 | 69 | 25 | I would point out that peppers don't actually do any harm. Capsaicin activates the nerve receptors resposible for feeling heat, so you avoid things that burn you. But there is no actual heat. No damage is occuring. It's nature's Gom Jabbar pain box. Police report. Trespassing by father. Property damage by father. I'd leave the kids out of it. If they haven't learned to not steal and eat strange things after a carolina reaper, well... Good thing Canada provides excellent social services 'cause they'll need it in a few years :p | I would take pictures of the broken pots, the area that was dug up and the pepper that was bitten on. Just in case it does go to court. Tell the police that she admitted that her husband took the plants. Make sure you get a copy of the police report. If you see the kids (or the parents) on your property again, take a picture. | 1 | 8,680 | 2.76 |
3ghabg | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | [Ontario] Neighbor's kids stole some of my pepper plants. They ate them, got hurt, now they want to sue. Facebook friend told me to post here for advice. Almost a year ago, I had moved out of the city and into a rural community. By rural, I have 3 neighbors within half a kilometre. With the land I had access to (and own), I started my own garden as a fun project in early spring. I have 2 neighbors beside my propery, one of them are an elderly couple who are the nicest people I've ever met. The other are a family with 2 little boys. They're 6 to 11. Not sure about their exact age. I planted a lot of stuff like green onion, tomatoes, watermelon, peppers and a lot more. But, I was given a few pepper seeds from a friend of mine a few weeks prior. They were the Carolina Reaper, the hottest pepper in the world, like literally pepper spray in your mouth. My intentions were not really to eat them as they are, but to have them dried and minced and added to things because why the hell not? The land around my yard isn't fenced. The borders of land are marked by skinny trees. My garden was atleast 80 metres from the trees. Alright, time to begin. My garden had started to flower about a month ago, so I decided I would share some of my yield of tomatoes, strawberries, bell peppers with my neighbor. The little boys who noticed my garden would come by often to watch me move dirt or water my garden, and I would sometimes let them pick strawberries to eat, and their parents had full knowledge of this. But then, I began to notice that even unripe fruits would go missing from plants after a plant with 3 tomatoes just went naked. So, while I was washing dishes I saw the boys run into my garden and pick a few fruits and run back to their house. No big deal, I'll just tell them to stop. The mother thanked me and said they won't be doing it anymore. They still came by when I was working on the garden, and I let them take fruits/veg then. Then, last week, my Carolina Reaper peppers grew. They were had a sharp curled tip, looked awesome and scary. 3 days ago, I got a bang on my door from the father of the boys saying I poisoned their sons. I asked him what he meant, and he said that after I gave them stuff from my garden, they came home with burned hands, a headache, extreme mouth pain and distress. I explained to him that all I gave him were strawberries and other things that were safe to eat, and that I've been doing it for weeks. He said that he would sue me, or I would have to pay physical cash for their stress. He left my property and I run out back and see that some of my carolina reaper peppers were on the ground, one with a bite mark on it. I went over to their house right away and explained to them what they ate and they went full apeshit saying their boys wouldn't steal after they were told not to. He shows me video of the boys crying with bright red faces and kept blaming me. I told him that I never gave them the peppers, and that they were the ones who stole them without asking. The next day, I come home from work to see my carolina reaper plants (I have 3), and my small containers with chocolate tomato plants, gone. I went over to their house and saw my broken pots in their yard, I asked them what the fuck did they to my garden. The mother told me his husband seized the plants legally because they were a threat to the safety of their kids. I told them they came on private property illegally, and damaged my property and pots. She denied that she broke any pots, but I ran to the back and pick a shard of my pot and showed it to her. She told me that is was hers, bullshit. So, now, the father dropped a letter saying they will sue me in court and get damages because of what I did to their kids, or I can pay $3500 straight up. I don't want to call the police in case I have to, because I don't want to spend money on a lawyer to defend myself in a lawsuit. what the fuck should I do from here? the deadline to pay him is on friday. | cty7ccq | cty4nds | 1,439,230,296 | 1,439,226,333 | 50 | 25 | For what it's worth, OP, I've been looking it up and it appears the "attractive nuisance" doctrine everyone is mentioning here is exclusive to U.S. law. At the very least, there's no equivalent in Canada that I can find. Best of luck to you. | I would take pictures of the broken pots, the area that was dug up and the pepper that was bitten on. Just in case it does go to court. Tell the police that she admitted that her husband took the plants. Make sure you get a copy of the police report. If you see the kids (or the parents) on your property again, take a picture. | 1 | 3,963 | 2 |
8js0ub | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Neighbor is poisoning plants on my side of the fence Neighbor is poisoning trees and shrubs on our side of the fence. Years back, she actually admitted to doing this to the neighbors on the west side of her to me, directly. She laughed when she told me that she didn't want even the shadow of a tree on her side of the fence so she had been digging up the roots that were on her side of the fence, cutting them and pouring poison in the hole, and spraying poison over the fence on the tree. Fortunately the tree was so large and healthy she did not kill it. Now all my small trees and shrubs that shadow her yard are mysteriously getting dead spots or just all going dead within a week. We have a 5 foot fence between the yards. Along this fence is where my shrubs die as soon as they peak over the height of the fence - typically a quick death within a week- and it is directly across the fence from her pot garden. Now she is going after a larger tree that is further from the fence but is now shading her yard and pot garden. I don't want to lose any more shrubs and I don't want to lose a tree I planted and cared for for five years. We are now just getting the privacy and sense of sanctuary I crave (I have pretty bad PTSD from multiple assaults as a child). We cannot put up a higher fence due to city rules. I desperately want my privacy. What can I do? Do I have to catch her spraying? I don't want to purchase cameras or confront her- she has a proven track record of being mentally unstable and has threatened us in the past. Can I legally put up a big canvas tarp to block our view/her spray and give us privacy? Is a "trellis" with an opaque backing legal when fence is not? Do I have to get a lawyer? Test the soil for poison? I don't really want to do that- it is costly and is likely to just piss her off. Any advice? Edit: Eugene, Oregon | dz21e96 | dz23472 | 1,526,443,283 | 1,526,445,610 | 6 | 261 | ---
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> Neighbor is poisoning trees and shrubs on our side of the fence. Years back, she actually admitted to doing this to the neighbors on the west side of her to me, directly. She laughed when she told me that she didn't want even the shadow of a tree on her side of the fence so she had been digging up the roots that were on her side of the fence, cutting them and pouring poison in the hole, and spraying poison over the fence on the tree. Fortunately the tree was so large and healthy she did not kill it. Now all my small trees and shrubs that shadow her yard are mysteriously getting dead spots or just all going dead within a week. We have a 5 foot fence between the yards. Along this fence is where my shrubs die as soon as they peak over the height of the fence - typically a quick death within a week- and it is directly across the fence from her pot garden. Now she is going after a larger tree that is further from the fence but is now shading her yard and pot garden. I don't want to lose any more shrubs and I don't want to lose a tree I planted and cared for for five years. We are now just getting the privacy and sense of sanctuary I crave (I have pretty bad PTSD from multiple assaults as a child). We cannot put up a higher fence due to city rules. I desperately want my privacy. What can I do? Do I have to catch her spraying? I don't want to purchase cameras or confront her- she has a proven track record of being mentally unstable and has threatened us in the past. Can I legally put up a big canvas tarp to block our view/her spray and give us privacy? Is a "trellis" with an opaque backing legal when fence is not? Do I have to get a lawyer? Test the soil for poison? I don't really want to do that- it is costly and is likely to just piss her off. Any advice?
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LocationBot 4.0 | GitHub (Coming Soon) | Statistics | Report Issues | You can buy inexpensive cameras that're pretty discreet these days, with nightvision to boot. The key is, yes, like you suspect, you *do* have to catch her. It's best to catch her on video doing it, or otherwise you don't really have any solid evidence of her actions. "The shrubs against my fence are all mysteriously dying!" Police will say, and what do you want us to do about that? "My trees have been poisoned!" Yes, but where's the evidence as to who is doing it? They have easier crimes to solve, ones with evidence trails pointing right to the culprit, drunk drivers, breaking up domestic violence... they're not going to want to put in the work to save someone's trees, when they all they have to go on is your word and dying trees. For all they know, you're a vindictive jerk who's poisoning your own trees to frame your neighbor until she can't stand you and has to move out. But then try this one: "My neighbor is poisoning my trees and shrubs. Here's *video proof* of her spraying weed killer on my apple trees and raspberry bushes. Please come collect some leaves to test it for what looks, from the footage, to be X brand defoliant." ....and they've just been handed what's basically a pre-solved case. They don't need to do a whole lot more than a little paperwork and then pass it on to the prosecutors. But you know what the best part is? *Tree law*. Do you know how expensive older trees and shrubs are? I bet you don't realize just how expensive they are, despite having trees that've been growing on your property for a long time, enough to cast shade on her yard from a ways away. Do you know what happens when you bring a nice big cut-and-dry case of malicious tree-killing to a lawyer who deals with that sort of thing? Because I'm willing to bet that your neighbor *won't like the answer*. :D . **Edit** because I realize OP probably isn't already in on the joke, and rereading my reply, I should be clearer: OP, if you can get an arborist in to assess the damages to your plants, you'll probably be *shocked* at how much older trees and bushes are worth. Even past a criminal conviction on her record for destruction of property (which should make the civil suit a *piece of cake*), you'll want to bring civil suit against her for what she destroyed. The law says you're entitled to be made whole - which means that she's going to owe you the value of those trees. In fact, it looks like she'll be owing you treble damages, or *three times* the value of assessed damages. If the cost is high enough, you may be able to go after her house over this. Please talk to an attorney (many give free consultations!) Also, it appears that Oregon is a single-party-consent recording state, meaning that if you can catch audio of her admitting to pulling these shenanigans on the other neighbor, or whatever else helps your case, all the better. You don't need her permission to record your conversations with her. | 0 | 2,327 | 43.5 |
8js0ub | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Neighbor is poisoning plants on my side of the fence Neighbor is poisoning trees and shrubs on our side of the fence. Years back, she actually admitted to doing this to the neighbors on the west side of her to me, directly. She laughed when she told me that she didn't want even the shadow of a tree on her side of the fence so she had been digging up the roots that were on her side of the fence, cutting them and pouring poison in the hole, and spraying poison over the fence on the tree. Fortunately the tree was so large and healthy she did not kill it. Now all my small trees and shrubs that shadow her yard are mysteriously getting dead spots or just all going dead within a week. We have a 5 foot fence between the yards. Along this fence is where my shrubs die as soon as they peak over the height of the fence - typically a quick death within a week- and it is directly across the fence from her pot garden. Now she is going after a larger tree that is further from the fence but is now shading her yard and pot garden. I don't want to lose any more shrubs and I don't want to lose a tree I planted and cared for for five years. We are now just getting the privacy and sense of sanctuary I crave (I have pretty bad PTSD from multiple assaults as a child). We cannot put up a higher fence due to city rules. I desperately want my privacy. What can I do? Do I have to catch her spraying? I don't want to purchase cameras or confront her- she has a proven track record of being mentally unstable and has threatened us in the past. Can I legally put up a big canvas tarp to block our view/her spray and give us privacy? Is a "trellis" with an opaque backing legal when fence is not? Do I have to get a lawyer? Test the soil for poison? I don't really want to do that- it is costly and is likely to just piss her off. Any advice? Edit: Eugene, Oregon | dz238t0 | dz21e96 | 1,526,445,800 | 1,526,443,283 | 75 | 6 | If you want a fast growing barrier, plant bamboo. The biggest, most prolific variety you can find. Make sure to fertilize and water it well. Maybe some blackberries for good measure - a mature rootball could get started fast. Many are somewhat resistant to pesticides. You may wish to sink steel plates ~12" deep between the fence line and the rest of your yard to keep it from spreading too much. You could file an complaint with the EPA - they would pay for the testing. Or file a police report. | ---
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Title: **Neighbor is poisoning plants on my side of the fence**
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> Neighbor is poisoning trees and shrubs on our side of the fence. Years back, she actually admitted to doing this to the neighbors on the west side of her to me, directly. She laughed when she told me that she didn't want even the shadow of a tree on her side of the fence so she had been digging up the roots that were on her side of the fence, cutting them and pouring poison in the hole, and spraying poison over the fence on the tree. Fortunately the tree was so large and healthy she did not kill it. Now all my small trees and shrubs that shadow her yard are mysteriously getting dead spots or just all going dead within a week. We have a 5 foot fence between the yards. Along this fence is where my shrubs die as soon as they peak over the height of the fence - typically a quick death within a week- and it is directly across the fence from her pot garden. Now she is going after a larger tree that is further from the fence but is now shading her yard and pot garden. I don't want to lose any more shrubs and I don't want to lose a tree I planted and cared for for five years. We are now just getting the privacy and sense of sanctuary I crave (I have pretty bad PTSD from multiple assaults as a child). We cannot put up a higher fence due to city rules. I desperately want my privacy. What can I do? Do I have to catch her spraying? I don't want to purchase cameras or confront her- she has a proven track record of being mentally unstable and has threatened us in the past. Can I legally put up a big canvas tarp to block our view/her spray and give us privacy? Is a "trellis" with an opaque backing legal when fence is not? Do I have to get a lawyer? Test the soil for poison? I don't really want to do that- it is costly and is likely to just piss her off. Any advice?
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73ivy1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (Canada ab) my neighbor is losing her mind Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. My neighbor, a previously sweet lady, is going crazy. I am not sure if it is dementia or mental illness. Today she came with a crate and screamed at me that my dogs keep chasing my cats into her yard and she will "call the government" on me. The thing is I don't own any dogs. I don't own a cat either. So I hesitantly look into this crate and see a distressed squirrel. I don't know how she caught this poor thing. From previous talks when she was normal I know she is the only living member of her family, no real friends and no family. So what I am wondering is what will happen to her if I contact adult social services? I am really concerned because she obviously needs help but I don't want her sent away to a dingy institution. This is a woman who made us a lovely casserole when we moved in. Now she is calling a squirrel a cat and blaming it on my non existent dogs. I am not sure what to do. She seems functional (clean, proper clothing, well fed, etc) could adult services even do something about this? | dnqsd15 | dnqznwx | 1,506,830,337 | 1,506,846,642 | 84 | 135 | So this is actually quite tricky. Adult mental health services do not accept third-party referrals. Source So you can't just make her attend treatment. You can phone the police and ask them to do a welfare check, but police can only compel someone to be seen by a mental health professional if they are suffering from a mental illness *and* are a danger to themselves or others (you need **both**). She may be willing to go voluntarily with police, but unlikely. If police find evidence that this person is living in squalor they can phone Alberta Health to have a home inspection done which may, down the line, result in a mandatory assessment. You may be able to make a report to her primary care physician if you know who that is. They have the power to Form an individual and compel them to see a psychiatrist. Unfortunately I don't see the grounds being present here. She may be delusional, but there are no laws against simply having a mental illness. You don't know her circumstances, perhaps she has been on medication for years but it stopped working / she stopped talking it. Unless you have reason to believe she is a danger to herself or others (which includes an inability to care for herself) then there isn't much you can do. Your community may have Child and Family Support Services who deal a lot with the elderly. That might be a good resource for you to look into. | She might have a uti. We learned that seniors with utis can act out of their norm and seem crazy. She needs a welfare check. Utis in seniors can cause sepsis a life threatening condition that can accelerate very quickly, less than 24 hrs. | 0 | 16,305 | 1.607143 |
73ivy1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (Canada ab) my neighbor is losing her mind Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. My neighbor, a previously sweet lady, is going crazy. I am not sure if it is dementia or mental illness. Today she came with a crate and screamed at me that my dogs keep chasing my cats into her yard and she will "call the government" on me. The thing is I don't own any dogs. I don't own a cat either. So I hesitantly look into this crate and see a distressed squirrel. I don't know how she caught this poor thing. From previous talks when she was normal I know she is the only living member of her family, no real friends and no family. So what I am wondering is what will happen to her if I contact adult social services? I am really concerned because she obviously needs help but I don't want her sent away to a dingy institution. This is a woman who made us a lovely casserole when we moved in. Now she is calling a squirrel a cat and blaming it on my non existent dogs. I am not sure what to do. She seems functional (clean, proper clothing, well fed, etc) could adult services even do something about this? | dnqsx8s | dnqznwx | 1,506,831,235 | 1,506,846,642 | 38 | 135 | She isn't functional, poor thing. When my mother had dementia her delusions/hallucinations were more real to her than actual reality. There was no way to convince her that there wasn't a snake in the corner, for instance. Please call adult services for this person before she manages to hurt herself somehow, or before some criminal takes terrible advantage of her. It may even be that she would get a bit better in a facility where she would get balanced meals and regular medications. You could go and see her once in a while and take her something tasty like McDonald's pie. | She might have a uti. We learned that seniors with utis can act out of their norm and seem crazy. She needs a welfare check. Utis in seniors can cause sepsis a life threatening condition that can accelerate very quickly, less than 24 hrs. | 0 | 15,407 | 3.552632 |
73ivy1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (Canada ab) my neighbor is losing her mind Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. My neighbor, a previously sweet lady, is going crazy. I am not sure if it is dementia or mental illness. Today she came with a crate and screamed at me that my dogs keep chasing my cats into her yard and she will "call the government" on me. The thing is I don't own any dogs. I don't own a cat either. So I hesitantly look into this crate and see a distressed squirrel. I don't know how she caught this poor thing. From previous talks when she was normal I know she is the only living member of her family, no real friends and no family. So what I am wondering is what will happen to her if I contact adult social services? I am really concerned because she obviously needs help but I don't want her sent away to a dingy institution. This is a woman who made us a lovely casserole when we moved in. Now she is calling a squirrel a cat and blaming it on my non existent dogs. I am not sure what to do. She seems functional (clean, proper clothing, well fed, etc) could adult services even do something about this? | dnrath0 | dnqsx8s | 1,506,871,257 | 1,506,831,235 | 72 | 38 | Your best option would be to call the police for a welfare check. I've been in a very similar situation before. I'm in a condo and the person in the unit beneath me is a woman in her 90's. We were renovating our place before we moved in and after being away for a few days we would always come back to angry notes on our door from her accusing us of "making noise 24/7". This was impossible since we would only spend 3-4 hours there on weekdays. One evening around 6pm I was sweeping the floor before we left for the night. We had been painting, so not doing anything loud, no power tools. And I hear a knock at the door. When I answer it's this woman, spitting, kicking and screaming at me. Saying she is going to call 911. She tries to push her way into our unit but I blocked her way. In the fray she scratches her arm against the door. It's a scrape, no blood. She says she is going to call the police and tell them I broke her arm. I tell her to go the hell ahead. My SO and I packed up and left right after. We found of from the super a few days later that she DID call 911. When they showed up they found a furious woman complaining about noise coming from an empty unit and when she told them I broke her arm they started examining her. Her arm was fine but given that she called EMS to report an empty unit they fined her for misuse of EMS and the super called her family. She was diagnosed a short time later with a brain tumor. She's had surgery since and recovered and amazingly thinks my SO and I are the greatest people in the world. But if she hadn't called 911 on us I can't imagine how long that would have gone on for. Institutionalization is not going to be the first step, so don't worry about that. But the sooner you do something the sooner she'll get help. | She isn't functional, poor thing. When my mother had dementia her delusions/hallucinations were more real to her than actual reality. There was no way to convince her that there wasn't a snake in the corner, for instance. Please call adult services for this person before she manages to hurt herself somehow, or before some criminal takes terrible advantage of her. It may even be that she would get a bit better in a facility where she would get balanced meals and regular medications. You could go and see her once in a while and take her something tasty like McDonald's pie. | 1 | 40,022 | 1.894737 |
73ivy1 | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (Canada ab) my neighbor is losing her mind Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. My neighbor, a previously sweet lady, is going crazy. I am not sure if it is dementia or mental illness. Today she came with a crate and screamed at me that my dogs keep chasing my cats into her yard and she will "call the government" on me. The thing is I don't own any dogs. I don't own a cat either. So I hesitantly look into this crate and see a distressed squirrel. I don't know how she caught this poor thing. From previous talks when she was normal I know she is the only living member of her family, no real friends and no family. So what I am wondering is what will happen to her if I contact adult social services? I am really concerned because she obviously needs help but I don't want her sent away to a dingy institution. This is a woman who made us a lovely casserole when we moved in. Now she is calling a squirrel a cat and blaming it on my non existent dogs. I am not sure what to do. She seems functional (clean, proper clothing, well fed, etc) could adult services even do something about this? | dnr7eyt | dnrath0 | 1,506,866,340 | 1,506,871,257 | 20 | 72 | I know you mean well and don't want to get this woman in trouble, but keep in mind that calling authorities whenever there's a problem will actually help her in the long term. It will establish a track record of behavior which will be helpful whenever her family or APS eventually goes to court to get guardianship or whatever. My mom was a great neighbor until she went nuts and started chopping down the neighbors bushes. Edit: spelling | Your best option would be to call the police for a welfare check. I've been in a very similar situation before. I'm in a condo and the person in the unit beneath me is a woman in her 90's. We were renovating our place before we moved in and after being away for a few days we would always come back to angry notes on our door from her accusing us of "making noise 24/7". This was impossible since we would only spend 3-4 hours there on weekdays. One evening around 6pm I was sweeping the floor before we left for the night. We had been painting, so not doing anything loud, no power tools. And I hear a knock at the door. When I answer it's this woman, spitting, kicking and screaming at me. Saying she is going to call 911. She tries to push her way into our unit but I blocked her way. In the fray she scratches her arm against the door. It's a scrape, no blood. She says she is going to call the police and tell them I broke her arm. I tell her to go the hell ahead. My SO and I packed up and left right after. We found of from the super a few days later that she DID call 911. When they showed up they found a furious woman complaining about noise coming from an empty unit and when she told them I broke her arm they started examining her. Her arm was fine but given that she called EMS to report an empty unit they fined her for misuse of EMS and the super called her family. She was diagnosed a short time later with a brain tumor. She's had surgery since and recovered and amazingly thinks my SO and I are the greatest people in the world. But if she hadn't called 911 on us I can't imagine how long that would have gone on for. Institutionalization is not going to be the first step, so don't worry about that. But the sooner you do something the sooner she'll get help. | 0 | 4,917 | 3.6 |
ytnntk | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Neighbor’s dog attacked friend’s dog and now they’re wanting friend to cover vet bills. A friend of mines dog was attacked by the neighbors. Neighbors dog broke down friends fence and a dog fight ensued. Friends dog needed an expensive vet visit including sutures. The other dog also needed a vet visit but no sutures or injuries. Plus the broken fence. Now the neighbor is texting my friend saying they’re going to sue for the cost of the vet visit. What legal recourse does my friend have? By the way, we are in Oregon. | iw7x1b4 | iw6mr17 | 1,668,360,398 | 1,668,335,333 | 35 | 26 | Sounds like your friend is the one who should be suing. Neighbor's dog broke down a fence and attacked friend's dog, on friend's property? Yeah... neighbor is liable for vet bills and damage to the fence. | Why does the neighbor think your friend should cover their expenses? Like, what’s their argument? | 1 | 25,065 | 1.346154 |
ytnntk | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Neighbor’s dog attacked friend’s dog and now they’re wanting friend to cover vet bills. A friend of mines dog was attacked by the neighbors. Neighbors dog broke down friends fence and a dog fight ensued. Friends dog needed an expensive vet visit including sutures. The other dog also needed a vet visit but no sutures or injuries. Plus the broken fence. Now the neighbor is texting my friend saying they’re going to sue for the cost of the vet visit. What legal recourse does my friend have? By the way, we are in Oregon. | iw5hlkm | iw7x1b4 | 1,668,307,653 | 1,668,360,398 | 21 | 35 | Tell your friend to ignore them until they are sued. If they are served with a lawsuit, then they should inform their homeowner's insurance company. | Sounds like your friend is the one who should be suing. Neighbor's dog broke down a fence and attacked friend's dog, on friend's property? Yeah... neighbor is liable for vet bills and damage to the fence. | 0 | 52,745 | 1.666667 |
ytnntk | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Neighbor’s dog attacked friend’s dog and now they’re wanting friend to cover vet bills. A friend of mines dog was attacked by the neighbors. Neighbors dog broke down friends fence and a dog fight ensued. Friends dog needed an expensive vet visit including sutures. The other dog also needed a vet visit but no sutures or injuries. Plus the broken fence. Now the neighbor is texting my friend saying they’re going to sue for the cost of the vet visit. What legal recourse does my friend have? By the way, we are in Oregon. | iw5hlkm | iw6mr17 | 1,668,307,653 | 1,668,335,333 | 21 | 26 | Tell your friend to ignore them until they are sued. If they are served with a lawsuit, then they should inform their homeowner's insurance company. | Why does the neighbor think your friend should cover their expenses? Like, what’s their argument? | 0 | 27,680 | 1.238095 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vd3yb | d0vcj0i | 1,457,652,764 | 1,457,651,845 | 244 | 162 | * Sue neighbor for the value of the cat * Report veterinarian to the licensing board. | The cat is considered property so your friend could sue the neighbors for the value of the cat. | 1 | 919 | 1.506173 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vd3yb | d0vcpkb | 1,457,652,764 | 1,457,652,130 | 244 | 12 | * Sue neighbor for the value of the cat * Report veterinarian to the licensing board. | They may be able to file a complaint with the licensing board for vets in your state. | 1 | 634 | 20.333333 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vcj0i | d0vonip | 1,457,651,845 | 1,457,675,192 | 162 | 221 | The cat is considered property so your friend could sue the neighbors for the value of the cat. | They are lying. No vet puts down a healthy cat, and rabies is highly contagious so they would want to ensure their dog wasn't infected by a rabid cat. Find the vet and get the real story. | 0 | 23,347 | 1.364198 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vhfbk | d0vonip | 1,457,660,218 | 1,457,675,192 | 120 | 221 | >the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. ಠ_ಠ How possibly does someone not know their own cat? Even cats that look the same at first glance would be identified quickly by their owner. | They are lying. No vet puts down a healthy cat, and rabies is highly contagious so they would want to ensure their dog wasn't infected by a rabid cat. Find the vet and get the real story. | 0 | 14,974 | 1.841667 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vegwl | d0vonip | 1,457,655,219 | 1,457,675,192 | 16 | 221 | Sorry that happened to your friend. The neighbours are assholes and the vet was completely in the wrong for just believing them at face value without checking for a chip. | They are lying. No vet puts down a healthy cat, and rabies is highly contagious so they would want to ensure their dog wasn't infected by a rabid cat. Find the vet and get the real story. | 0 | 19,973 | 13.8125 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vonip | d0vcpkb | 1,457,675,192 | 1,457,652,130 | 221 | 12 | They are lying. No vet puts down a healthy cat, and rabies is highly contagious so they would want to ensure their dog wasn't infected by a rabid cat. Find the vet and get the real story. | They may be able to file a complaint with the licensing board for vets in your state. | 1 | 23,062 | 18.416667 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vded9 | d0vonip | 1,457,653,231 | 1,457,675,192 | 14 | 221 | Sue them for the value of the cat. | They are lying. No vet puts down a healthy cat, and rabies is highly contagious so they would want to ensure their dog wasn't infected by a rabid cat. Find the vet and get the real story. | 0 | 21,961 | 15.785714 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vegwl | d0vhfbk | 1,457,655,219 | 1,457,660,218 | 16 | 120 | Sorry that happened to your friend. The neighbours are assholes and the vet was completely in the wrong for just believing them at face value without checking for a chip. | >the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. ಠ_ಠ How possibly does someone not know their own cat? Even cats that look the same at first glance would be identified quickly by their owner. | 0 | 4,999 | 7.5 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vcpkb | d0vhfbk | 1,457,652,130 | 1,457,660,218 | 12 | 120 | They may be able to file a complaint with the licensing board for vets in your state. | >the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. ಠ_ಠ How possibly does someone not know their own cat? Even cats that look the same at first glance would be identified quickly by their owner. | 0 | 8,088 | 10 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vded9 | d0vhfbk | 1,457,653,231 | 1,457,660,218 | 14 | 120 | Sue them for the value of the cat. | >the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. ಠ_ಠ How possibly does someone not know their own cat? Even cats that look the same at first glance would be identified quickly by their owner. | 0 | 6,987 | 8.571429 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0w2vk1 | d0vegwl | 1,457,712,688 | 1,457,655,219 | 17 | 16 | Their story is BS. I'd bet their dog or their kid killed the cat and they're trying to cover it up. | Sorry that happened to your friend. The neighbours are assholes and the vet was completely in the wrong for just believing them at face value without checking for a chip. | 1 | 57,469 | 1.0625 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0w2vk1 | d0vcpkb | 1,457,712,688 | 1,457,652,130 | 17 | 12 | Their story is BS. I'd bet their dog or their kid killed the cat and they're trying to cover it up. | They may be able to file a complaint with the licensing board for vets in your state. | 1 | 60,558 | 1.416667 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0w2vk1 | d0vded9 | 1,457,712,688 | 1,457,653,231 | 17 | 14 | Their story is BS. I'd bet their dog or their kid killed the cat and they're trying to cover it up. | Sue them for the value of the cat. | 1 | 59,457 | 1.214286 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vegwl | d0vcpkb | 1,457,655,219 | 1,457,652,130 | 16 | 12 | Sorry that happened to your friend. The neighbours are assholes and the vet was completely in the wrong for just believing them at face value without checking for a chip. | They may be able to file a complaint with the licensing board for vets in your state. | 1 | 3,089 | 1.333333 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vded9 | d0vegwl | 1,457,653,231 | 1,457,655,219 | 14 | 16 | Sue them for the value of the cat. | Sorry that happened to your friend. The neighbours are assholes and the vet was completely in the wrong for just believing them at face value without checking for a chip. | 0 | 1,988 | 1.142857 |
49w0hw | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | (MA) my cat got out last night and the neighbors took him in. When he attacked their dog today they had my cat put down. (posting on behalf of a friend). The cat got out last night and the neighbors claim they thought he was their cat. He doesn't get along with dogs and never had. He attacked their dog so they just assumed he was rabid and the vet didn't check the micro chip until AFTER killing the cat. | d0vcpkb | d0vded9 | 1,457,652,130 | 1,457,653,231 | 12 | 14 | They may be able to file a complaint with the licensing board for vets in your state. | Sue them for the value of the cat. | 0 | 1,101 | 1.166667 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j07gzd3 | j07dcmz | 1,671,037,137 | 1,671,035,743 | 380 | 80 | NCGS 68-17 allows you to impound the trespassing livestock until you've been fairly compensated for the damage caused (plus the cost of maintaining the livestock). | Hiring an attorney is the best way to go about this. There may be liability for the damage due to the livestock escape (your lawyer will be aware of the laws in your area.) The dilapidated barns are unlikely to be fixable; part of living in the country... there's not really a whole lot of rules against unsightly things. Did the buyers actually purchase the property, or is this a rent-to-own sort of situation? If they purchased the property, and just got a mortgage from the seller, then you don't have the right to enforce an insurance requirement. | 1 | 1,394 | 4.75 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j07gzd3 | j07ewtj | 1,671,037,137 | 1,671,036,347 | 380 | 20 | NCGS 68-17 allows you to impound the trespassing livestock until you've been fairly compensated for the damage caused (plus the cost of maintaining the livestock). | I echo what u/Sirwired said, but also there is no direct liability toward the lien holder but you should verify that that is how this was financed and not a rent to own sort of deal, i.e. who is actually on the deed currently. Additionally, you should inform the lien/mortgage holder that they do not have insurance. | 1 | 790 | 19 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j07rmz2 | j07dcmz | 1,671,041,194 | 1,671,035,743 | 164 | 80 | Contact the lien holder and say something like "i know you are have sold the land but if there's an opportunity for me to buy it in the future, we are ready to purchase. And by the way, the buyers are awful." If the land purchase was seller-financed then maybe you will get lucky down the road. | Hiring an attorney is the best way to go about this. There may be liability for the damage due to the livestock escape (your lawyer will be aware of the laws in your area.) The dilapidated barns are unlikely to be fixable; part of living in the country... there's not really a whole lot of rules against unsightly things. Did the buyers actually purchase the property, or is this a rent-to-own sort of situation? If they purchased the property, and just got a mortgage from the seller, then you don't have the right to enforce an insurance requirement. | 1 | 5,451 | 2.05 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j07ewtj | j07rmz2 | 1,671,036,347 | 1,671,041,194 | 20 | 164 | I echo what u/Sirwired said, but also there is no direct liability toward the lien holder but you should verify that that is how this was financed and not a rent to own sort of deal, i.e. who is actually on the deed currently. Additionally, you should inform the lien/mortgage holder that they do not have insurance. | Contact the lien holder and say something like "i know you are have sold the land but if there's an opportunity for me to buy it in the future, we are ready to purchase. And by the way, the buyers are awful." If the land purchase was seller-financed then maybe you will get lucky down the road. | 0 | 4,847 | 8.2 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j07ewtj | j08dhww | 1,671,036,347 | 1,671,049,435 | 20 | 31 | I echo what u/Sirwired said, but also there is no direct liability toward the lien holder but you should verify that that is how this was financed and not a rent to own sort of deal, i.e. who is actually on the deed currently. Additionally, you should inform the lien/mortgage holder that they do not have insurance. | I cannot give you any legal input, but I can give you a warning: be careful with pissed off rural farmers. I do a ton of GIS 911 dispatch work in a very rural county in VA and I can tell you from time to time zoning is contacted about such and such damaging the property or diminishing its value, but they live in A1 (our version of nearly anything goes zoning). It rarely ends well for the complaining party in the long term. We had one family farm switch over from goats to swine. That entire hollow that live at now has the omnipresent smell of pigshit all because one neighbor got upset about the goats escaping once in a blue moon and ate some of the landscaping. Again, this isn't to dissuade you from your small claim court case; totally do that. Just do it respectfully. | 0 | 13,088 | 1.55 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j082m5c | j08dhww | 1,671,045,389 | 1,671,049,435 | 10 | 31 | Look into Small Claims Court. You won't need a lawyer, but you'll have to convince the judge that the damage was real, the neighbors are responsible for it, and provide proof of damage value. Do this each time and they may eventually fix the problems. | I cannot give you any legal input, but I can give you a warning: be careful with pissed off rural farmers. I do a ton of GIS 911 dispatch work in a very rural county in VA and I can tell you from time to time zoning is contacted about such and such damaging the property or diminishing its value, but they live in A1 (our version of nearly anything goes zoning). It rarely ends well for the complaining party in the long term. We had one family farm switch over from goats to swine. That entire hollow that live at now has the omnipresent smell of pigshit all because one neighbor got upset about the goats escaping once in a blue moon and ate some of the landscaping. Again, this isn't to dissuade you from your small claim court case; totally do that. Just do it respectfully. | 0 | 4,046 | 3.1 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j08ojpf | j07ewtj | 1,671,053,579 | 1,671,036,347 | 21 | 20 | The only way to prevent this from happening is to fence in your property. Country folk live by a different set of rules. They could care less about the threat of court and fines. That said, they can make your life more miserable than they already have. | I echo what u/Sirwired said, but also there is no direct liability toward the lien holder but you should verify that that is how this was financed and not a rent to own sort of deal, i.e. who is actually on the deed currently. Additionally, you should inform the lien/mortgage holder that they do not have insurance. | 1 | 17,232 | 1.05 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j082m5c | j08ojpf | 1,671,045,389 | 1,671,053,579 | 10 | 21 | Look into Small Claims Court. You won't need a lawyer, but you'll have to convince the judge that the damage was real, the neighbors are responsible for it, and provide proof of damage value. Do this each time and they may eventually fix the problems. | The only way to prevent this from happening is to fence in your property. Country folk live by a different set of rules. They could care less about the threat of court and fines. That said, they can make your life more miserable than they already have. | 0 | 8,190 | 2.1 |
zlu3et | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | Neighbor's cows keep escaping/damaging property NC A little backstory - In 2019, my wife and I decided to capitalize on the housing market and sell our house to move out of the suburbs, and build our dream home out in the country. We purchased a 6 acre lot, built our home, and started living a peaceful and private life out in the country. Based on the slope of the landscape, and where the septic system perc'd, we had to build along the border of our property, which was very close to the adjoining property. We didn't see this as an issue though, because that land had been condemned and had no suitable place to install a septic system, so we knew nobody would ever be able to live over there. There are 2 old pole barns located on the property that housed some farm equipment owned by the owner of the land. It was a charming addition to the landscape, so we never had any problem with their look, or their age. The owner of the land had asked us if we wanted to purchase that land to add it to our 6 acre parcel, but at the time we couldn't afford it after building the house. Additionally, he was asking for fair market value, which was about 15k per acre. We told him we would think about it, and maybe we would make him an offer in a year or so, once we could secure the funds. We were not in a hurry to make the offer though, because we figured nobody would buy a condemned piece of land, and that it only had value to one party - us. Well fast forward, and wouldn't you know he found some suckers who didn't do any due diligence to find that the land was condemned and they ended up paying fair market value for it. (it also never went on the market, so we had no idea the owner was shopping it around after we told him we needed some time to secure the funds to purchase it ourselves). No big deal. The new owners were going to turn it into a small farm with cows, chickens, and goats. Cool. We both grew up on farms, so it added to the charm of living out in the country. They can't live there, so we knew we would only really see them when they would come tend to the animals. Well shortly after we noticed goats were getting out pretty regularly and eating up our lawn and some flowers we had. There wasn't much in the way of landscaping since we had just moved in and hadn't gotten far enough to put in anything substantial yet, so not a big deal at that point. We have tried speaking with them, but they don't speak english and seem to have no interest in being friendly neighbors. As time has gone on, they have really junked up the barns to the point now where we would not be able to sell our home (at least not at fair market value) because nobody would live next to such a junked up landscape. They closed in one of the barns to house junked cars to work on, which they do at all hours creating a lot of noise, and an eyesore to boot. It is zoned Rural Agricultural, so unfortunately the county doesn't have any ordinances that enforce "no ugly". The county did issue a couple violations for the junk cars on the property, but he told us that the fines were minimal and there was really no penalty for not paying them. Well fast forward again and now the cows get out regularly. This past weekend, the entire herd escaped in the middle of the night during a big rain storm, so the ground was very soft and their hooves left damage all over our property. I'm talking 4-6 inch holes punched into the ground, enough to really twist your ankle if you stepped in one that you didn't see. Not to mention all of the wonderful "meadow muffins" the cows left all across the lawn. We got 2 separate quotes to see how much it would cost to repair everything, averaging out to about 5k in damages. Home owners insurance does not cover damage done by animals, so we hired an attorney to go after them for the repair costs. Additionally, we're requesting them to put in proper fencing to prevent this from continuing to happen. **Questions: are we going about this the right way?** **Also, is there any angle we can go after regarding the diminished value of our property, or inability to enjoy our property as we intended when we made this move?** **The new owners are paying for the land through seller financing, and the seller requires them to have insurance, but they do not. Is the lien holder also liable in this situation?** Any help or insight is greatly appreciated! We just want to live a peaceful life out here without having to worry about cows or bulls getting out and hurting our children when they're outside playing. | j09sbv8 | j09nuxi | 1,671,070,690 | 1,671,068,721 | 4 | 3 | It sounds like you have experienced a number of frustrating issues with your new neighbors. Unfortunately, when it comes to property damage, homeowners insurance typically does not cover damage caused by animals. However, the owner of the animals may be liable for the damage and you may be able to recover the repair costs from them. It is worth speaking with an attorney about your options for pursuing compensation for the damages. In terms of preventing future damage, it may be worthwhile to speak with the owner of the animals about the situation and request that they take steps to keep their animals contained on their property. This could include installing proper fencing or taking other measures to prevent the animals from escaping. If they continue to allow their animals to cause damage to your property, you may be able to seek a court order requiring them to take action to prevent further damage. | You're not going to like this, and I don't mean this to sound offensive, but it sounds like y'all would be much happier in an HOA. Might be time to pack up and head back to the suburbs... | 1 | 1,969 | 1.333333 |
eqm9yk | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | Is recording my neighbors dog on their own property illegal? AR I am building a case against my neighbors who have a dog that chases our livestock. It's been a tricky thing, because they only let the dog loose when they are there, and it's usually on the weekends when Animal Control is closed. I have been starting to record any time I see the dog loose in their yard, because the fence between our properties is not adequate to keep the dog in. It only takes a second for him to duck the fence and speed towards our livestock, so I want to be rolling already. This morning I recorded the dog walking the fence line on their side in anticipation of it coming through, which it did later on, but was not captured in that particular video. Is there any law against recording this, since it's technically their property? Im in rural area and we have barbed wire, so it's not like I'm standing on something and putting my camera over their fence, I am recording from a fair distance while standing in my own yard. Im just curious if my recording can be used at all or if it will be dismissed, and if I should only start recording the second the dog comes across the fence. Because of the layout of our property, it's impossible to be recording ours and not theirs at the same time as it's a very open area and we are on the top of a hill. This is Arkansas btw. Thanks! | feu0cp1 | fetzufp | 1,579,381,857 | 1,579,381,703 | 18 | 3 | You would legally be able to record the dog, yes. You may want to make sure your neighbors are aware of their liability towards you IRT the dog attacking your livestock. Per AR § 20-19-102 you can also destroy a dog attacking your livestock. | Check your local laws regarding dogs "worrying" cattle. Here in CA farmers have the legal right to use terminal force (ie shoot) then in certain rural locations. Check with your dept of agriculture, they can guide you on appropriate animal control measures for things that are affecting livestock. Yes you can film your neighbors dog in their yard, assuming you don't need to do anything to see them. (IE climb on your roof, climb a ladder to point down in their yard. If you can see it plainly, you can film it. Be careful with capturing audio though. That's a separate issue. More info - this is general info. AR law does allow for the destruction of the dogs interfering with livestock. If done under the law you'd be immune from prosecution and your neighbor couldn't sue you. Plus if the animal causes damage to the livestock they are liable for that as well. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/dog-book/chapter11-12.html | 1 | 154 | 6 |
eqm9yk | legaladvice_train | 0.78 | Is recording my neighbors dog on their own property illegal? AR I am building a case against my neighbors who have a dog that chases our livestock. It's been a tricky thing, because they only let the dog loose when they are there, and it's usually on the weekends when Animal Control is closed. I have been starting to record any time I see the dog loose in their yard, because the fence between our properties is not adequate to keep the dog in. It only takes a second for him to duck the fence and speed towards our livestock, so I want to be rolling already. This morning I recorded the dog walking the fence line on their side in anticipation of it coming through, which it did later on, but was not captured in that particular video. Is there any law against recording this, since it's technically their property? Im in rural area and we have barbed wire, so it's not like I'm standing on something and putting my camera over their fence, I am recording from a fair distance while standing in my own yard. Im just curious if my recording can be used at all or if it will be dismissed, and if I should only start recording the second the dog comes across the fence. Because of the layout of our property, it's impossible to be recording ours and not theirs at the same time as it's a very open area and we are on the top of a hill. This is Arkansas btw. Thanks! | feu0cp1 | feu03kp | 1,579,381,857 | 1,579,381,795 | 18 | 3 | You would legally be able to record the dog, yes. You may want to make sure your neighbors are aware of their liability towards you IRT the dog attacking your livestock. Per AR § 20-19-102 you can also destroy a dog attacking your livestock. | I am not a lawyer but I am a photographer, and I know you can record anything you can see from public view. If you were trying to film what is happening in their house, then you could be in trouble. As long as you are filming a wide area, and it is for purposes of securing your property and animals, you should be fine. Talk to a lawyer if you have any doubts. | 1 | 62 | 6 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqoe1k | cwqoqsg | 1,446,821,889 | 1,446,822,489 | 148 | 160 | Are they done with the investigation? If they come back around or want anything else, go hire an attorney. | I wonder if race is an element here. You mentioned in your earlier post that you're dark-skinned (you said you didn't need sunscreen), but apparently your kids are light-skinned. And you get this worker asking these utterly inappropriate questions about the biological mother. Don't hesitate to play the race card if you think it might fit. | 0 | 600 | 1.081081 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqom5w | cwqoqsg | 1,446,822,272 | 1,446,822,489 | 112 | 160 | Assuming this is real, you got good advice in the other thread: contact the principal, school superintendent (the principal's boss), and school board trustee (elected official for the school board) about this woman's harassment of you. Write letters so there's a paper trail. Write a letter to CPS recounting this woman's harassment and requesting that they (CPS) stop listening to her. Contact an attorney if these efforts are not successful. | I wonder if race is an element here. You mentioned in your earlier post that you're dark-skinned (you said you didn't need sunscreen), but apparently your kids are light-skinned. And you get this worker asking these utterly inappropriate questions about the biological mother. Don't hesitate to play the race card if you think it might fit. | 0 | 217 | 1.428571 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqz2u3 | cwr1ajv | 1,446,837,681 | 1,446,840,823 | 19 | 37 | It seems like the secretary has formed a grudge against you. Did you ever have any encounters before where you were rude to her or where she could have perceived you as rude (not that this justifies in anyway her behavior)? Also is the secretary connected in any shape or form to the bio mom or her family? You mention that the bio mom is not interested in raising her kids, but does her family support her decision? It might be family members bringing a campaign against you. Another posted had problems with a neighbor filling false claims with cps and she was allowed to sue/file a restraining order against them after cps investigated 3 separate times and found no probable cause (she was not in Texas though), that might be something you could look into. | GET A LAWYER!!! THIS happened in Texas too! It has been extremely painful and disruptive to the family. Don't wait until they come back and take your kids. Act now. | 0 | 3,142 | 1.947368 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqws0i | cwr1ajv | 1,446,834,404 | 1,446,840,823 | 17 | 37 | Is switching schools an option? | GET A LAWYER!!! THIS happened in Texas too! It has been extremely painful and disruptive to the family. Don't wait until they come back and take your kids. Act now. | 0 | 6,419 | 2.176471 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwr23t4 | cwr1vn8 | 1,446,841,976 | 1,446,841,654 | 28 | 26 | CPS can fuck your life up. I'd lawyer up yesterday. | I think this is weird. You have written about how you see this situation (on the internet) and 100% of the people who have read your posts agree with you, and I would count myself in that group. But apparently 100% of people who have SEEN the situation seem to think continued investigations are warranted. I gotta' ask - has anybody else besides the CPS worker ever asked you if you're anorexic? Ever? Because I've never been asked that by anybody. | 1 | 322 | 1.076923 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqz2u3 | cwr23t4 | 1,446,837,681 | 1,446,841,976 | 19 | 28 | It seems like the secretary has formed a grudge against you. Did you ever have any encounters before where you were rude to her or where she could have perceived you as rude (not that this justifies in anyway her behavior)? Also is the secretary connected in any shape or form to the bio mom or her family? You mention that the bio mom is not interested in raising her kids, but does her family support her decision? It might be family members bringing a campaign against you. Another posted had problems with a neighbor filling false claims with cps and she was allowed to sue/file a restraining order against them after cps investigated 3 separate times and found no probable cause (she was not in Texas though), that might be something you could look into. | CPS can fuck your life up. I'd lawyer up yesterday. | 0 | 4,295 | 1.473684 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqws0i | cwr23t4 | 1,446,834,404 | 1,446,841,976 | 17 | 28 | Is switching schools an option? | CPS can fuck your life up. I'd lawyer up yesterday. | 0 | 7,572 | 1.647059 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqz2u3 | cwr1vn8 | 1,446,837,681 | 1,446,841,654 | 19 | 26 | It seems like the secretary has formed a grudge against you. Did you ever have any encounters before where you were rude to her or where she could have perceived you as rude (not that this justifies in anyway her behavior)? Also is the secretary connected in any shape or form to the bio mom or her family? You mention that the bio mom is not interested in raising her kids, but does her family support her decision? It might be family members bringing a campaign against you. Another posted had problems with a neighbor filling false claims with cps and she was allowed to sue/file a restraining order against them after cps investigated 3 separate times and found no probable cause (she was not in Texas though), that might be something you could look into. | I think this is weird. You have written about how you see this situation (on the internet) and 100% of the people who have read your posts agree with you, and I would count myself in that group. But apparently 100% of people who have SEEN the situation seem to think continued investigations are warranted. I gotta' ask - has anybody else besides the CPS worker ever asked you if you're anorexic? Ever? Because I've never been asked that by anybody. | 0 | 3,973 | 1.368421 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqws0i | cwr1vn8 | 1,446,834,404 | 1,446,841,654 | 17 | 26 | Is switching schools an option? | I think this is weird. You have written about how you see this situation (on the internet) and 100% of the people who have read your posts agree with you, and I would count myself in that group. But apparently 100% of people who have SEEN the situation seem to think continued investigations are warranted. I gotta' ask - has anybody else besides the CPS worker ever asked you if you're anorexic? Ever? Because I've never been asked that by anybody. | 0 | 7,250 | 1.529412 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwr399r | cwqz2u3 | 1,446,843,595 | 1,446,837,681 | 21 | 19 | I am not a lawyer- but it sounds like you need a lawyer now. A CPS person should not be questioning your birth choices as they are not relevant to the case at hand. You may have gotten hit with the crazy bomb. | It seems like the secretary has formed a grudge against you. Did you ever have any encounters before where you were rude to her or where she could have perceived you as rude (not that this justifies in anyway her behavior)? Also is the secretary connected in any shape or form to the bio mom or her family? You mention that the bio mom is not interested in raising her kids, but does her family support her decision? It might be family members bringing a campaign against you. Another posted had problems with a neighbor filling false claims with cps and she was allowed to sue/file a restraining order against them after cps investigated 3 separate times and found no probable cause (she was not in Texas though), that might be something you could look into. | 1 | 5,914 | 1.105263 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwqws0i | cwr399r | 1,446,834,404 | 1,446,843,595 | 17 | 21 | Is switching schools an option? | I am not a lawyer- but it sounds like you need a lawyer now. A CPS person should not be questioning your birth choices as they are not relevant to the case at hand. You may have gotten hit with the crazy bomb. | 0 | 9,191 | 1.235294 |
3rrocn | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | UPDATE:(Tx) The secretary at my kids school keeps calling CPS on us claiming that we're starving them/not letting them wear sunscreen. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3rp23d/tx_the_secretary_at_my_kids_school_keeps_calling/ The investigator just left. She was beyond rude to me. She questioned why our son(6 months old) was born by c-section. And started asking invasive questions about my weight and if I'm anorexic and trying to force the kids to lose weight and asking why their biological mother isn't raising them. (Their biological mom didn't want to be a mother anymore so she divorced my husband and moved a few hours away, she sees them one weekend a month) | cwr9fqn | cwqws0i | 1,446,853,370 | 1,446,834,404 | 19 | 17 | "Your son was born via c-section, therefore, you are bad parents." Yeah, perfect logic. | Is switching schools an option? | 1 | 18,966 | 1.117647 |
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