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From: [email protected] (Shash Chatterjee) Subject: xrolo/SPACRC/SunOS4.1.1/audio Organization: The Internet Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert%[email protected] Could some one please send me (or tell me where to ftp from) the patches required for xrolo so that I can compile-in the SPARCStation phone-dialing feature? I am using SunOS 4.1.1, and therefore don't have "multimedia/libaudio.h" or "multimedia/audio_device.h" and associated functions. Just in case, our mail gateway only accepts msgs < 45Kb. Thanks in advance, Shash. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Shash Chatterjee EMAIL: [email protected] + + EC Software PHONE: (817) 763-1495 + + Lockheed Fort Worth Company FAX: (817) 777-2115 + + P.O. Box 748, MZ1719 + + Ft. Worth, TX 76101 + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: [email protected] (Simon K Train) Subject: Help me please! Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Distribution: net Lines: 7 I am a PhD student. Can I get the sci.crypt group posted directly to me??? Also I would like some feed-back on the encryption schemes that my research in finite fields can be applied to. Any takers Reply to [email protected] Thanks yours Gavin.

Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: <[email protected]> Subject: Cripple Chip Lines: 19 How about this: The TelCo has your Clipper key. The TelCo has your intended partner's key, if he is using one. Whenever you call, the message gets decrypted and reencrypted wihtout y key exchange. I know it's a stupid system, but for the feds, it'd be great. The point of this isn;t to take over the crypto market, BTW. Clinton doen not want people to have any sort of crypto at all (just like Busch). But he needs some support for the "technology initiative" garbage he's pushing (industrial policy stuff) and a computer hip designed by the gov't is just the thing. Who's going to thing about the (literal) Billions of Dollars it took for a government agency to design? [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: insect impacts Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 36 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes: > > For those who have had problems with small birds what about the > large raptor types when they are swooping across the road after > smallish prey?? I had a hawk, Falcon what ever come within 5 > feet of me, lucky for him (or me for that matter) he noticed me > and my, and pulled up on his/her trajectory at the last moment. > Scared the shit outa me...nothing like a red tailed hawk in the > face, Talons and all....I wonder if riding a Nighthawk has > anything to do with it....hmmmm? > > Ryan > 0780 I got a male Mallard duck in the chest once. It was like being kicked by my karate instructor. No accident, but my eyes were tearing so hard, and I was wheezing so loudly, that it's quite remarkable that I was able to come to a stop with the rubber side up. The duck, BTW, lived, and seemed quite healthy, though we both sat by the roadside and shook our heads for a few minutes. The bruise went from my right collar bone all the way down to my belly button. Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person

From: [email protected] (Andrew Henry) Subject: Fujitsu and Seagate IDE Drive Compatibility Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK Lines: 17 I've been trying to get my Fujitsu M2611T 45mb hard disk (circa 1990) to share my IDE card with a new Seagate ST3283A 245mb one. I've tried fiddling the jumpers to set the master and slave drives without any success [without the table of hard drive specs from this newsgroup I couldn't have got that far]. Has anyone else got this combination to work. The place I got the new one muttered something like "Hmmm Fujitsu, nice drives, not very compatible." He'll let me swap the Seagate for another brand but he thought it was more a problem with the Fujitsu. So has anyone got a similar Fujitsu drive to work with another cheapish disk ... or want to buy a cute and cuddly little Fujitsu drive ? Andrew Henry [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Richard J. Loether) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 38 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John E. King) writes: : : [email protected] (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: : :::Didn't Christ tell his disciples to arm them selves, shortly :::before his crusifiction? (I believe the exact quote was along the :::lines of, "If you have [something] sell it and buy a sword.") : ::This from a guy who preached love, deference of power to God and ::renunciation of worldly life in exchange for a life of the spirit? If ::Jesus did in fact command his disciples to arm themselves, I would ::take that as yet another reason to reject Christian doctrine, for ::whatever it's worth. Like most religions, the doctrine has good and bad in it. I would certainly reject the current implementations of the doctrine. : :No. The above is a classic example of taking a scripture out of context. :It's taken from Luke 22:36. But note vs 37; "For I tell you that this :which is written must be accomplished in me, namely, 'and he will be reckoned :with lawless ones'...". He then stated that two swords were enough :for the group to carry to be counted as lawless. So having more than the politically correct number of weapons was cause to be arresed and killed even then, huh? :Jesus' overiding message was one of peace (turn other cheek; live by :sword die by sword; etc). Yes, of course, as in Matthew 10:34-35 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth; it is not peace I have come to bring but a sword..." : RJL -- Rich Loether Snail mail: University of Pittsburgh The Ideas: EMail: [email protected] Computing and Info Services Mine, Voice: (412) 624-6429 600 Epsilon Drive all FAX : (412) 624-6426 Pittsburgh, PA 15238 Mine.

From: [email protected] (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu Wasn't it Tricky Dick who issued stern warnings to Bush & Clinton not to 'Lose Russia'? (a la 'Who lost China?')

From: [email protected] (Thomas Wolf) Subject: Q: TIFF description Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: irz205.inf.tu-dresden.de Keywords: TIFF Sorry for wasting your time with a probably simple question, but I'm not an computer graphic expert. I want to read TIFF-Files with a PASCAL-program. The problem is, that the files I want to read are in compressed form ( code 1, e.g. Huffman ). All books & articles I found describe only the plain (uncompressed) format. I don't know where to get the original TIFF specification, furthermore I haven't any access to a realy complete library. Can anybody direct me to a good book or (even better) to an specification available via ftp ? Thanks in advance - Thomas Wolf ps: direct mail would be prefered

From: [email protected] (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: Branch Davidians info Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 40 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >From: [email protected] >Subject: Branch Davidians info >Date: 18 Mar 93 07:31:55 GMT >I am looking for any information on the Branch Davidians. Send info to Chad >Litton, ACS Dept. BGSU, Bowling Green OH 43403. Or e-mail to >[email protected] Thanks in advance. I don't claim to be an expert on the branch Davidians, but I might know more than most. The Branch Davidian group (led by Koresh) is actually one of two off-shoots of a group known as the Shephard's Rod. The Shephard's Rod (now defunct as far as I know)broke off from the SDA Church in the 30's. The Shephard's Rod broke away from the SDA Church because they felt that the SDA Church was becoming weak and falling into apostacy. They felt that they were the remnant spoken about in Revelation. About the Koresh group, Koresh gained control of it in 1987 or 1988. Once in control, he made himself the center of it. He proclaimed himself as Christ. Koresh himself came from an SDA background. He was excommunicated as a young adult by the local congregation for trying to exert too much control over the youth in the church. After this, he joined the Branch Davidians. They were/are a survivalist cult. This is why they had the stockpile of weapons, food, a bomb shelter, etc. They had no intent of raiding the US government or anything. They were preparing for Armaggedon and were putting themselves in a self defense position. In my opinion, if the ATF and the FBI had left well enough alone, we wouldn' t have the blood of 20+ children crying out from the ashes in Waco. If you want to know about The Shephard's Rod, you might want to visit the local SDA church and talk to some of the older people. They could give you some insight into where Koresh got his theology. Tammy

From: [email protected] (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 35 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Lois Christiansen) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] wrote: >You might visit some congregations of Christians, who happen to be homosexuals, >that are spirit-filled believers, Gifts of the Spirit should not be seen as an endorsement of ones behavior. A lot of people have suffered because of similar beliefs. Jesus said that people would come to Him saying "Lord, Lord," and proclaiming the miraculous works they had done in His name. Jesus would tell them that they were workers of iniquity that do not know Him, and to depart from Him. That is not to say that this will happen to everyone who commits a homosexual sin. If the Holy Spirit were only given to the morally perfect, He would not be given to me, or any of us. God can forgive any sin, if we repent. But people should be careful not to think, "God has given me a gift of the Spirit, it must be okay to be gay." That is dangerous (see also hebrews 6 about those who have partaken of the Holy Spirit and of the powers of the world to come.) >The Lord IS working in our community (the homosexual community, that is). He's >not asking us to change our sexual nature, Jesus doesn't ask us to change our own nature. We cannot lift ourselves out of our own sin- but we must submit to His hand as He changes our nature. Practicing homosexual acts and homosexual lusts violates the morality that God has set forth. If you don't believe that, and think those of us who do are just ignorant, then at least consider us weak in the faith and be celebate for our sake's. Is practicing homosexuality worth the cost of a soul, whether it be the homosexual's or the one considered "ignorant?" Link Hudson.

From: [email protected] (Joseph Paparella) Subject: Re: cica mirror? Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Lines: 2 I find that it's always (almost anyway) busy when I dial, but if I try repeatedly, usually only 5 to 15 tries, I always get connected.

From: [email protected] (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: sgi Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> [email protected] (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >I want to know how this omniscient being is going to perform |> >the feat of "definitely" terming actions right or wrong. |> |> If you were omniscient, you'd know who exactly did what, and with what |> purpose in mind. Then, with a particular goal in mind, you sould be |> able to methodically judge whether or not this action was in accordance |> with the general goal. But now you are contradicting yourself in a pretty massive way, and I don't think you've even noticed. In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the "goal" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some other species, either terrestrial or alien. Does that make it moral to do so? jon.

From: [email protected] (Kenneth Ng) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]: [email protected] (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: :Just a bit off, Phil. We don't reprocess nuclear fuel because what :you get from the reprocessing plant is bomb-grade plutonium. It is :also cheaper, given current prices of things, to simply fabricate new :fuel rods rather than reprocess the old ones, creating potentially :dangerous materials (from a national security point of view) and then :fabricate that back into fuel rods. Fabricating with reprocessed plutonium may result in something that may go kind of boom, but its hardly decent bomb grade plutonium. If you want bomb grade plutonium use a research reactor, not a power reactor. But if you want a bomb, don't use plutonium, use uranium. -- Kenneth Ng Please reply to [email protected] for now. "All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someone's table" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG

From: [email protected] (Mont Pierce) Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 31 In article <[email protected]> mcole@spock (COLE) writes: >I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out >there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, >etc.? Well, it's not an FTP site, but I got an 800 number for Signetics BBS. The Signetics BBS contain some pretty good items for the 8051. I am currently using the following files which I downloaded from them: ml-asm51.zip MetaLink's 8051 family macro assembler bootstrp.zip Hex file Load-and-Go using 8051 uart (allows you to download your program into a RAM and then execute from RAM. Works great. Tell me if you want more details). tutor51.zip TSR for 8051 feature help screens They have lots of coding examples, assemblers, and misc. tools. Signetics BBS numbers are: (800) 451-6644 (408) 991-2406 Have fun, -- Mont Pierce +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: [email protected] | | bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: [email protected] | | modes: cw,ssb,fm | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: [email protected] (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: [email protected] (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 [email protected] (Paul Crowley) writes: > As for the cleaners, I'll stick with my 850W Electrolux and damn the > carpet. Nah. Nothing sucks like a VAX :)... Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation

From: [email protected] (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 56 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bill Green) writes: > Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that > there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also > been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which > rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. "Widely reported", eh? Remember, this has had a news blackout since day 2. The FBI is the single, sole, source of these rumors. It may be the truth, but it may not be. We may never know. We MUST question it, though. Why no media coverare? What were they hiding? > > What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident. I > believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems > with some of the tactics. After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as > well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions. > > 1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at > some time before the Feb. 28th raid? > It would seem so. > 2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome. > They would still be alive, today. Another day is another chance. > 3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the "right" course of action? > I think it contributed to the outcome. Folks that are sleep deprived tend not to think clearly > And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in > general, were proper. But I still have some reservations. > I feel strongly they were NOT proper. > One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the > "balls" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy > had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. As expected. If it had come out well, he would not have hesitated to take full credit. Jim -- [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93 "If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777

From: [email protected] (Serdar Argic) Subject: DESTROYING ETHNIC IDENTITY: TURKS OF GREECE (& Macedonians...) Reply-To: [email protected] (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 145 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: >> Sure your memory is weak. >> Let me refresh your memory (if that's not to late): >> First of all: it is called ISTANBUL. >> Let me even spell it for you: I S T A N B U L > When my grandfather came in Greece, the official name of the city was > Constantinoupolis. Are you related to 'Arromdian' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? >Now, read carefully the following, and then speak: >The recent Helsinki Watch 78 page report, Broken Promises: Torture and Ditto. |1| HELSINKI WATCH: "PROBLEMS OF TURKS IN WESTERN THRACE CONTINUE" Ankara (A.A) In a 15-page report of the "Helsinki Watch" it is stated that the Turkish minority in Western Thrace is still faced with problems and stipulated that the discriminatory policy being implemented by the Greek Government be brought to an end. The report on Western Thrace emphasized that the Greek government should grant social and political rights to all the members of minorities that are equal to those enjoyed by Greek citizens and in addition they must recognize the existence of the "Turkish Minority" in Western Thrace and grant them the right to identify themselves as 'Turks'. NEWSPOT, May 1992 |2| GREECE ISOLATES WEST THRACE TURKS The Xanthi independent MP Ahmet Faikoglu said that the Greek state is trying to cut all contacts and relations of the Turkish minority with Turkey. Pointing out that while the Greek minority living in Istanbul is called "Greek" by ethnic definition, only the religion of the minority in Western Thrace is considered. In an interview with the Greek newspaper "Ethnos" he said: "I am a Greek citizen of Turkish origin. The individuals of the minority living in Western Trace are also Turkish." Emphasizing the education problem for the Turkish minority in Western Thrace Faikoglu said that according to an agreement signed in 1951 Greece must distribute textbooks printed in Turkey in Turkish minority schools in Western Thrace. Recalling his activities and those of Komotini independent MP Dr. SadIk Ahmet to defend the rights of the Turkish minority, Faikoglu said. "In fact we helped Greece. Because we prevented Greece, the cradle of democracy, from losing face before European countries by forcing the Greek government to recognize our legal rights." On Turco-Greek relations, he pointed out that both countries are predestined to live in peace for geographical and historical reasons and said that Turkey and Greece must resist the foreign powers who are trying to create a rift between them by cooperating, adding that in Turkey he observed that there was will to improve relations with Greece. NEWSPOT, January 1993 |3| MACEDONIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS TO FACE TRIAL IN GREECE. Two ethnic Macedonian human rights activists will face trial in Athens for alleged crimes against the Greek state, according to a Court Summons (No. 5445) obtained by MILS. Hristos Sideropoulos and Tashko Bulev (or Anastasios Bulis) have been charged under Greek criminal law for making comments in an Athenian magazine. Sideropoulos and Bulev gave an interview to the Greek weekly magazine "ENA" on March 11, 1992, and said that they as Macedonians were denied basic human rights in Greece and would field an ethnic Macedonian candidate for the up-coming Greek general election. Bulev said in the interview: "I am not Greek, I am Macedonian." Sideropoulos said in the article that "Greece should recognise Macedonia. The allegations regarding territorial aspirations against Greece are tales... We are in a panic to secure the border, at a time when the borders and barriers within the EEC are falling." The main charge against the two, according to the court summons, was that "they have spread...intentionally false information which might create unrest and fear among the citizens, and might affect the public security or harm the international interests of the country (Greece)." The Greek state does not recognise the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity. There are believed to be between 350,000 to 1,000,000 ethnic Macedonians living within Greece, largely concentrated in the north. It is a crime against the Greek state if anyone declares themselves Macedonian. In 1913 Greece, Serbia-Yugoslavia and Bulgaria partioned Macedonia into three pieces. In 1919 Albania took 50 Macedonian villages. The part under Serbo-Yugoslav occupation broke away in 1991 as the independent Republic of Macedonia. There are 1.5 million Macedonians in the Republic; 500,000 in Bulgaria; 150,000 in Albania; and 300,000 in Serbia proper. Sideropoulos has been a long time campaigner for Macedonian human rights in Greece, and lost his job as a forestry worker a few years ago. He was even exiled to an obscure Greek island in the mediteranean. Only pressure from Amnesty International forced the Greek government to allow him to return to his home town of Florina (Lerin) in Northern Greece (Aegean Macedonia), where the majority of ethnic Macedonians live. Balkan watchers see the Sideropoulos affair as a show trial in which Greece is desperate to clamp down on internal dissent, especially when it comes to the issue of recognition for its northern neighbour, the Republic of Macedonia. Last year the State Department of the United States condemned Greece for its bad treatment of ethnic Macedonians and Turks (who largely live in Western Thrace). But it remains to be seen if the US government will do anything until the Presidential elections are over. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)

From: [email protected] (Adriene Nazaretian) Subject: Re: win nt Nntp-Posting-Host: gorgon.cis.yale.edu Organization: Yale University; New Haven, Connecticut USA Lines: 22 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mark Raymaker) says: > >Is anyone aware of existing ipx/netx software for WindowsNT or >is attachment to Netware a FUTURE release? >please respond to internet mail: [email protected] >thanks > I believe the beta version of the service is available via ftp on ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/nt called something like nwnt.zip There is an INDEX ascii file there, which lists the programs in that directory and what they do. unfortunately this beta will also disable netbeui and tcp/ip over your primary nic, so if you really want to run it, get yourself an extra nic and bind it to that. Otherwise wait for next release, like I am. Adriene

From: [email protected] (David Rind) Subject: Re: centrifuge Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343) writes: >: Could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is >: used for? I vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes >: around really fast but I cant remember why youd want to do that? >Purely recreational. They get bored sitting in that >rack all the time. No, this is wrong. The purpose is to preserve the substances in the tubes longer by creating relativistic speeds and thus time dilatation. Of course, by slowing the subjective time of the test tubes they get less bored, which is probably what you were thinking of. -- David Rind [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Marc J. Stephenson) Subject: Re: Astros Are Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Distribution: usa Organization: IBM, Austin Lines: 63 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Schwam, David S.) writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Marc J. Stephenson) writes... >> 2) Astros relief corps holding together. If Doug Jones keeps his changeup >> effective and Xavier Hernandez can be effective, then it's passable. >> There's no reasonable left-handed help, and the middle relief is iffy. >> Tom Edens was expected to take over the Joe Boever setup man role, but >> he's been injured, and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway. >> Houston thought that Boever would demand too much money, so they let him >> go. Doug Jones can lose his touch - he went from Cleveland's all-star >> closer to the minors in a pretty short span. > > From what I understand, Boever and Murphy were considered expendable by the ^^^^^^ >club. Houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of >players.. Art Doug Jones is the key to Houston's success. He must have >another great year for Houston to challenge in the NL West. No argument at all with Murphy. He scared the hell out of me when he came in last year. On the other hand, the club though enough of Boever to put him into an awful lot of games (he may have led the league in appearances - he did at least at some point). He seemed to be a very viable setup guy - but I guess that's not considered that crucial by the club. I can just remember two years ago so well, though... ... > The unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the > club so far. Biggio and Finley just aren't doing their job of getting > on base. Instead of filling his role as an RBI man, Bagwell has had to > assume Biggio and Finley's job. Biggio concerns me, since he usually > starts the season very strong. I'm not that concerned. Those guys have been relatively consistent over the years and they have no good reasons to decline (no injuries, not old, ...). I expect them to come through just fine. It's those guys that have not been consistently good that are the worrisome part, even if they are coming through right now. > * * * * * * > > On a side note, are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning >next year's uniform? There is talk that their road uniform will be >(blech..) traditional grey, with the word "HOUSTON" written across the >chest. If I'm not mistaken, their home uniforms may totally eliminate >the color orange (shiver..). McLane's favorite color is red, so... This sounds like their old road unis. Pretty dull. Buttons or pullovers? I'll check through my uniform book to see if they've always had some orange. > I'm really upset.. the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound >horrible. I'd like to see the uniform of the mid-1980s return. They >may not have been pretty, but Houston had established a long precident of >wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball -- and I liked it. Well, we'll see. I've got a Astros pullover shirt with the "Astros stripes" across the shoulders and I have trouble making myself wear it in public. i can see why they might want that to change. Gee, if they eliminate the orange, will they reupholster the seats in the Astros stripes section (what used to be the gold and yellow levels - I don't know those numbers they use now). I saw a pinstripe version of an Astros cap and I actually thought it looked good! -- Marc Stephenson IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX) DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position. INTERNET->[email protected] VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ IBM T/L: 678-3189

From: [email protected] (Paul Valin) Subject: Re: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm4b8 Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 31 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Roger Maynard) wrote: > > In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard John Rauser) writes: > >>[email protected] (Dean Pereira) writes: > > >>> With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the >>>cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is >>>trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork. > >This is known as the Savard syndrome - and we are talking Denis, not Serge. >No team will ever win squat with the likes of Denis Savard in their lineup. > > >They could tell Savard to stay home and watch the games on TV. If life were so simple! Savard has not played in three of the last four games and they are still playing like crap. Montreal's problems run deeper than Savard (and Mouton) unfortunately; I hope they can get their act together before the playoffs. The line-up in their game coming up against PittsburgH is said to be the one they're likely to use for the playoffs. Let's hope they can forget about the nice weather we're having and play hockey. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Valin Tel: + 1 613 763 7394 Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Email: [email protected] P.O. Box 3511, Station C Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1Y 4H7 'only my opinions...'

From: [email protected] (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 30 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Segard) writes: > [email protected] (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) asks: > > What is the objection to celebration of Easter? > The objection naturally is in the way in which you phrase it. >Easter (or Eashtar or Ishtar or Ishtarti or other spellings) is the pagan >whore goddess of fertility. > > It is celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. > No, you are thinking perhaps of "Ressurection Sunday" I think. Tsk.tsk. Too much argument on non-issues ! I'm Roman Catholic and it seems to me that people celebrate Easter and Christmas for itself rather than how it relates to Jesus. I don't really care about some diety. If people have some other definition of Easter, then that's their business. Don't let it interfere with my Easter. "Resurrection Sunday" 8-) Where did that come from ? If people celebrate Easter for the Cadburry bunny, that's their business. > > So from this I infer that there are different rules for > > Christians of Jewish descent? What happened to "there is > > neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for > > all are one in Christ Jesus"? I've always been curious about this. Is Jesus important to Jews at all ? I thought He was thought of only as a prophet ? If that's true what do they celebrate Easter for ?

From: [email protected] (Bruce Barnett) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:35:46 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: grymoire.crd.ge.com Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY <[email protected]> <[email protected]> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Lanzo) writes: [Hint for Sun OS users: use /usr/5bin/echo instead of /bin/echo or Csh's built-in echo. Otherwise you'll have to embed literal ESC and BEL characters in the string instead of using convenient octal sequences.] Bad idea. using /usr/5bin/echo is slower than the built-in echo. This is what I do. It does execute `hostname` once per shell window, and does read in one extra file. But manipluating the titles does not require executing extra programs. Oh yes, it does execute some programs once per each system. But it stores them in a file for the next time... if ( ! $?HOSTNAME ) then setenv HOSTNAME `hostname` endif # figure how how to generate escape, bell, # and echo commands without a a line terminator # I may have done this before. If so, the variable E is set # have I executed this script before on this system? if ( $?E ) then # echo "already set the echo variables">/dev/tty else if ( -f ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} ) then source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} else if ( `echo -n |wc -l` == 0 ) then # echo "built in echo is bsd" >/dev/tty # then berkeley style echo echo 'set ech = "echo -n"' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo "set E = `echo a | tr a '\033'`" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo "set B = `echo a | tr a '\007'`" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo 'set N = ""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} else # echo "built in echo is sysV" >/dev/tty echo 'set ech = "echo"' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo 'set E = "\033"' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo 'set B = "\007"' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo 'set N = "\c"' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} endif # Are we using shelltool, cmdtool or xterm? # duplicate these aliases here to avoid problems if ( $term =~ sun* ) then # Sun Aliases alias Header '${ech} "${E}]l\!:1${E}\${N}"' alias IHeader '${ech} "${E}]L\!:1${E}\${N}"' else if ( $term =~ xterm ) then alias Header '${ech} "${E}]2;\!:1${B}${N}"' alias IHeader '${ech} "${E}]1;\!:1${B}${N}"' endif -- Bruce Barnett <[email protected]> uunet!crdgw1!barnett

From: [email protected] (David Croley) Subject: Re: new encryption Organization: MCC Experimental Systems Lab Lines: 48 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Haywood J. Blowme) writes: |> As promised, I spoke today with the company mentioned in a Washington |> Times article about the Clipper chip announcement. The name of the company |> is Secure Communications Technology (Information will be given at the end |> of this message on how to contact them). |> |> ... |> |> His belief is that AT&T was made known of the clipper well before the |> rest of the industry. This is for several reasons, several of which are: |> This is a very good point. AT&T obviously knew and participated in the development of the Clipper chip. This amounts to unfair business practice and gives AT&T an early monopoly on the market [hopefully a non-existant market]. Other companies that compete with AT&T in the cellular market (Motorola, NEC, etc) have grounds to file a complaint over this. |> |> Right now the company is afraid that the new clipper chip will put them out |> of business. This is a very real possibility. So they really need help in |> stopping the clipper chip from becoming a standard. If you want to contact |> them, they can be reached at.. |> |> Secure Communications Technology |> 8700 Georgia Ave. Suite 302 |> Silver Spring, MD |> |> (301) 588-2200 |> |> ... It would seem that the one fact that the government has overlooked in this whole fiasco is the economic standpoint. As others have mentioned, the most difficulty the Clipper chip faces is an economic one. Let's face it, the average consumer doesn't care or know that the Clipper is a bad idea. If there is a perceived need for cellular encryption, then the companies will provide one. Most likely, a standard will emerge. But if the Clipper is too expensive (and $25 a chip is way too much) then they will develope their own or buy a cheaper one. I give SCT my full support, and hope the Clipper chip goes the way of the Beta video tape format. Also hope they get sued over re-using the name Clipper. -- ---------------------------------------Cyberspace:-------------------------- | David T. Croley | MCC - Exp Sys Lab | A place not real, no stone, no steel.| | [email protected] | UT Austin, Texas | A ghost unseen...the world "between".| ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Eric W. Sink) Subject: Re: Looking for WMF Converter Keywords: WMF, windowsmetafile Reply-To: [email protected] Originator: [email protected] Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 [email protected] (David Buchholz x3252) writes: >I'm looking for any leads to the source of a good Windows >Meta File converter or interpreter. I need this for use >outside the Windows environment. PD sources preferred, but >not a requirement. Please reply to the address below. On a related topic, I have been searching (with no success) for a specification of the Enhanced Metafile format. I have the original WMF format (Graphics File Formats, Levine et al), but no info on the 32 bit version. Any pointers ? -- Eric W. Sink, Spyglass | "In all the earth, only humans have the ability 1800 Woodfield Drive | to be content in bad situations... Savoy, IL 61826 | and vice-versa." ---- [email protected] ---------|---------- 217-355-6000 -----------------------

From: [email protected] (Paul Johnson) Subject: Re: sore throat Reply-To: [email protected] (Paul Johnson) Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK Lines: 29 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Fiberman) writes: >I have had a sore throat for almost a week. When I look into >the mirror with the aid of a flash light, I see white plaques in >the very back of my throat (on the sides). I went to a health >center to have a throat culture taken. They said that I do not >have strep throat. Could a viral infection cause white plaques >on the sides of my throat? First, I am not a doctor. I know about this because I have been through it. It sounds like tonsilitis (lit. swollen tonsils). Feel under your jaw hinge for a swelling on each side. If you find them, its tonsilitis. I've had this a couple of times in the past. The doctor prescribed a weeks course of penicillin and that cleared it up. In my case it was associated with glandular fever, which is a viral infection which (from my point of view) resembled flu and tonsilitis that kept coming back for a year or so. There is a blood test for this. In conclusion, see a doctor (if you have not done so already). Paul. -- Paul Johnson ([email protected]). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions

From: [email protected] (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 32 Distribution: world Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article [email protected], [email protected] (Jeffrey Friedl) writes: >[email protected] (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >|> >|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the >|> thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it." > >I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving, >or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car >in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. An effort was made to remove the sticker. It came to pieces, leaving most of it firmly attached to the window. It was dark, and around 10:00 pm. The sticker (before being mangled in an ineffective attempt to be torn off) warned the car would be towed if not removed. A "reasonable person" would arguably have driven the car. Had an accident occured, I don't think my friend's attorney would have much trouble fixing blame on the apartment mangement. As a practical matter, even without a conviction, the cost and inconvenience of defending against the suit would be considerable. As a moral matter, it was a pretty fucking stupid thing to do for so paltry a violation as parking without an authorization sticker (BTW, it wasn't "somebody's" spot, it was resident-only, but unassigned, parking). --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, [email protected] |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...

From: [email protected] (Jon Pastor) Subject: Re: Another happy Gateway owner Nntp-Posting-Host: athansor Organization: not much... Lines: 30 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ken Putt) writes: |> Don't they always? Of course, they're so much more expensive than |> most other quality competitors, Like who, f'rinstance? When I bought my system (November), no first, second, or third tier vendor could touch the price for the hardware/software combination I got from GW2000. |> Another good thing I have read in the midst of all the Gateway horror |> stories: If you were selling as many systems as fast as GW2000, you'd end up with four or five pissed-off customers too. And four or five ecstatic ones. And lots of satisfied ones... |> they have an excellent return policy! Don't minimize this; if you buy mail order, it's a good thing to know that you'll get replacements parts, no questions asked, in a day or two, via FedEx. |> They're very impressive systems (when they work) Which they do in the vast majority of cases. Remember that it's only the people on the tails of the curve who are motivated to write -- the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it. You don't hear from the folks in the middle very often... They have rough edges, no doubt about it; but they give good value per dollar, and use almost all top-quality components.

From: [email protected] (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and Methodology Summary: Merely avoiding mistakes doesn't get you anywhere. Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 57 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael Holloway) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Lee Lady) writes: >>I would also like to point out that most of the arguments about science >>in sci.med, sci.psychology, etc. are not about cases where people are >>rejecting scientific argument/evidence/proof. They are about cases where >>no adequate scientific research has been done. (In some cases, there is >>quite a bit of evidence, but it isn't in a format to fit doctrinaire >>conceptions of what science is.) > >Here it is again. This indicates confusion between "proof" and the process >of doing science. You are making precisely one of the points I wanted to make. I fully agree with you that there is a big distinction between the *process* of science and the end result. As an end result of science, one wants to get results that are objectively verifiable. But there is nothing objective about the *process* of science. If good empirical research were done and showed that there is some merit to homeopathic remedies, this would certainly be valuable information. But it would still not mean that homeopathy qualifies as a science. This is where you and I disagree with Turpin. In order to have science, one must have a theoretical structure that makes sense, not a mere collection of empirically validated random hypotheses. Experiment and empirical studies are an important part of science, but they are merely the culmination of scientific research. The most important part of true scientific methodology is SCIENTIFIC THINKING. Without this, one does not have any hypotheses worth testing. (No, hypotheses do not just leap out at you after you look at enough data. Nor do they simply come to you in a flash one day while you're shaving or looking out the window. At least not unless you've done a lot of really good thinking beforehand.) The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. It depends on the quality of their THINKING. It really bothers me that so many graduate students seem to believe that they are doing science merely because they are conducting empirical studies. And it bothers me even more that there are many fields, such as certain parts of psychology, where there seems to be no thinking at all, but mere studies testing ad hoc hypotheses. And I'm especially offended by Russell Turpin's repeated assertion that science amounts to nothing more than avoiding mistakes. Simply avoiding mistakes doesn't get you anywhere. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. [email protected] [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Kenneth Dwayne Ray) Subject: Re: Car Stereo Stolen? Organization: Rice University Lines: 31 > I had the front panel of my car stereo stolen this weekend. > I need to buy the front panel of a Sony XR-U770 car stereo. > If by any chance anyone has had the body of a Sony XR-U770 > stolen and has an otherwise useless front panel I would > love to buy it from you. > If you know anyone who had a removeable-front-panel car stereo > stolen from them, could you please forward this message to them? > Thanks! > Kris I was my understanding that the purpose of those removeable-front-panels were to make the radio useless, and thus discourage theft (that is if the cover were removed by the owner and taken along whenever the car was left.) If those covers were sold for anything remarkably less than the radio originally costs, or even sold at all, then the above discouragement wouldn't be so great. I personally would be unhappy, if I bought a radio like that, thinking that removing the cover greatly depreciated the radio's value, and the covers were sold by the company (or other legitimate source) cheaply. -- --------8<-------If you cut here, you'd ruin your monitor------8<------- Kenneth D. Ray Expert: Someone who knows more and more CRC OCIS about less and less and finally Rice University knows everything about nothing.

From: [email protected] (Cliff Tomplait) Subject: Re: sex problem. Organization: Buster irby Lines: 34 [email protected] (larry silverberg) writes: >I have question that I hope is taken seriously, despite the subject content. >Problem: My long time girlfriend lately has not been initiating any sexual > activity. For the last four months things have changed dramatically. > ... > --to make this shorter-- Summary: nothing that I can think of has > changed.... > ... >She suggested we go to a sex counselor, but I really don't want to (just yet). >Any suggestions would be appreciated. >If you think you can help me, please contact me by e-mail for further info. >PLEASE serious replies only. >Thanks, Larry Larry: The subject content IS serious; as is the question. On one hand you state that "things have changed dramatically" but, at the same time nothing you "can think of has changed". Your girlfriend seems to want to see a counselor, but you don't. I'd recommend that you examine your hesitation to see a counselor. It's a very good environment to examine issues. The fact of the matter is: your girlfriend has a different perception than you. The TWO of you need to address the issue in order to resolve it. Please consider going to a counselor with your girlfriend. What could it possibly hurt? Cliff (the paramedic)

From: [email protected] (Terry Henning) Subject: Help with a Windows drum machine! Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 21 Hello, I'm trying to get a drum program to work that I downloaded from ftp.cica.indiana.edu in the pub/pc/win3/sounds directory. It's called drum.zip. I have an ATI Stereo FX card with the latest Windows drivers installed. When I try to run the drum program, it reports that a MIDI device is not installed, however the drivers utility in the control panel reports that it is installed. Anyone have any idea how to set up the MIDI device so that the drum program will work with my setup? What I'm trying to do is use my computer as a metronome. Someone suggested that I try one of the drum machines that are circulating around out there. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry [email protected]

From: [email protected] (David McAloon) Subject: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 234 ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! This paper BOTH describes how heavenly bodys can be stationary, ether sucking structures, AND why we observe "orbital" motion!! Ether, the theoretical propogation media of electro-magnetic waves, was concluded not to exist, based on the results of the Michelson-Moreley experiment conducted a century ago. I propose that those conclusions are flawed, based on the fact that the experiment was designed to look for a flow parallel to the earth's surface, not perpindicular. (Due to the prevailing assumption that the earth traveled through the ether as a ball through the wind) The reversal of the that conclusion, a pivotal keystone in the development of modern scientific thought, could have ramifications of BIBLICAL proportions through out the WORLD!! REMEMBER: Einstien said Imagination is greater than knowledge!! 1 I dream like this: ether based reality The ether is like a fluid out of phase with our reality. Creations start as a lattice placed into the ether. Given a spin, the lattices both drag the fluid, like a margarita blender, and ingest it, converting it, distilling localized mass, time and energy. (non-spinning lattice = "dark matter") The earth isn't exactly spinning, around the sun. Picture an image of a galaxy; we haven't any videos of them spinning. Picture us being stationary, and the sun's image being dragged across the sky by the spinning ether field. (Picture an onion, each layer of which is spinning a little faster than the next. A thread shot at the inner kernel would be stretched diagonally sideways, its head being in a faster shell than its tail, until it finally intersected the ground of the inner kernel, its direction vector being straight down, but its "foot print" being a line, not a point. [sunrise, sunset]) The moon isn't exactly orbiting us. It is a parasite, (non self spin sustaining ) being dragged in the earth's ether field, which is itself in the sun's much more powerful field. Our seasons are the wobble of earth's axis, like a top slowing down. The "orbit" of the earth around the sun is all of the stars' images being dragged around by the sun's ether feild. The earth, moon and sun are about the same size and "distance" apart. Its just that the time between them varies greatly, because the "path" is not the same. The moon's lattice in the ether is like sticking a fork in a plate of spaghetti and giving the plate a half turn. The sun's lattice has so much spin that its like the fork has got the whole plate of noodles wound up. The piece of light going to the moon can slide down the spaghetti and maybe make a "j" hook at the end. The piece of light going to the sun has to go around the whole plate, like a needle in a record, before it gets there. With a pencil, compass, and rule, draw a diagram of how the moon can be about as big as "earth's" shadow upon it, and at other times totally eclipse the sun. Look in the sky. except for your Knowledge, would you guess that they are about the same size, just because they look about the same size? O . - - E O O O S E / \ M | | OR M \ _ _ / S The full moon, quarter moon etc. is the difference between rate of ether spins. What we are looking at is a rotating "turntable view" of the moon, only half of which is facing the sun. ( I've seen a half moon within about 120 degrees (of sky) of the sun, during the day. Try and draw that "earth shadow.") Its only the moon's image which appears to orbit us. No matter where it is, the light part is the part facing the sun, and the dark part is the half facing away from the sun, even when it appears to be behind us. "Light-Years" between galaxies is a misnomer. The distance is closer to zero, as time and matter are characteristics of this phase of reality, which dissipates outward with each layer of the onion. (defining edge = 0 ether spin) What we are seeing could be essentially happening now. The "piece" of light may have experienced many years, but the trip could be very quick, our time. To time travel or warp space I might consider learning to de-spin myself. (phase out my mass) Good luck trying to design a propulsion system to drag around a space-time locality. (its like trying to move a balloon by shooting a squirt gun from within) To find out about all of this, I recommend studying history. I'd look in the book of life. (or holy grail etc.) Brain waves just might carry decipherable data. I'd start looking on some part of the spectra said to be unusable, due to all the background noise. (4+ billion humans?) I'd totally isolate myself, record me thinking DOG backwards, and learn to read what I got. (Microsoft Holy Grail card for Pentium!) Next, concluding that my thoughts were recorded on a non time-bound media, the ether, and that it is I who move forward (in time). I would try to temporarily locally reverse the flow, (of time, which I'd start looking for as flowing opposite magnetism, pole to pole. [Why not?]) perhaps by passing a LARGE, FLAT DC current through a two foot diameter. coil or choke or something, and seeing what I could get with my machine's receiver next to it. If you don't think you'll live to see it, consider this: QUIT PUTTING THE REPRODUCTIVE KEYS OF OTHER LIFE IN YOUR BODY! All of life's data could be written on the wind, (ether) not just our thoughts. DNA could be a little receiver or file access code. By eating SEEDS, we could be jamming our reception, or receiving plant instructions. Try eating seed bearing fruit. Maybe those Greek or biblical guys did live hundreds of years. I'm curios to see what they did and ate. Don't worry if your hair stops growing. (Maybe we don't need to eat at all, the cosmos are formed from nothing, and that is creating matter! I only need enough to bounce around. Where did the household concept 'immortal' come from? Wheat is a weed, it is programmed to pull from the soil, reproduce like hell, and then die) Warning about writing to the past: I had a little dream of being in a world, in the near parallel future, lying along a path of history which we have diverged from. There were; twelve telepathic, glowing beings, who looked like an Oscar award and who had always been, a dark one who looked like us, and then myself. The dark one was in the process of making the others into gods, (he had to teach them what that meant) by "advising" them in their past. Basically, he manipulated them into reproducing, and raising their children on his seed. He said that the little ones who looked different were a sub-species, meant to provide service. He carefully combed through history, rewriting it in his favor, pulling like a weed anything that compromised his control. He enticed recruits by sending them his visions, saying that there was immortality at the end of the road for only twelve souls: kill or be killed. The amount of control he could exert was finite, though, as at every change he made, a void would appear in our reality. The universe one day ended 100 meters from us: it seemed odd, but we couldn't remember how else it should be. Then some of the twelve were no more. Finally, when he could prune no more, and reality stopped just beyond his fingertips, he stepped through his portal to the past, to bask, over and over, in all that he had created. I made a few more changes, and lost my body, existing only on the wind. MORAL: Its very possible to eliminate from your reality the souls whose will's are not in harmony with yours (Golden Rule - treat others as you wish to be treated) I.E., you could end up along a lonely thread of time with murderers or flowery brown-nosers for playmates. (its not eternal, there's more than one way back) Accepting rides to the past: Once here, the one who looks like us sells rides, he can make you a Prince, or a Queen, or you can live as a god in ancient Greece. Go ahead, repeat the third grade as often as you like, Adam henry. I Hope you like inspecting your socks. Careful though, if he likes your work, but thinks you're getting wise, he can direct you to cross paths with your old self, and you'll vanish as you rewrite your own course of history, none the wiser. As we pass the point along the parallel line where he stepped back in time, his hierarchy will lose its direction. He can still make changes while he's here, its just that that is work, and with every 'adjustment', this becomes less the world he cultivated, which loosens his grip, and his organization is suddenly one branch less. But he can't see the change. The basic nature of man is good. He had to apply his hand to achieve his world. As he now tightens his hand to retain what he built, the more sand slips through his fingers. How about public computer access to the I.R.S. ? Its our country, our money, and they're spending it on us, RIGHT? Imagine this: Washington marks the next cost at 8, IRS collects 10, gives 5 to congress, and just absolutely buries 5. Congress borrows 2. The banks are making, what, a 30% margin (interest) on our government? Big corporations are ecstatic if they can do a 10% margin. What do the banks do with it? Hold some on a carrot to the world, sure, but mostly, bury it. WHY? Food production is 2% GNP?, construction 6% ? 14 hours to build your auto? The people are spending all of their time to buy back a tenth of what they produce. Have we been deceived? If we are more efficient, why is it getting harder to get by? What if the point is just to keep the people busy making widgets? In that other reality, I shouted to the twelve, "its chaos!" They said, "no, its order." He defined chaos as that which is he was not able to control. Rain forest: The problem could be that all the water in its canopy would hide the location of an indigenous people who have no language. (telepathic; and 'vanishing' the closest knowledge of death) (think of the spine as a transceiver, if it is on the ground and pointed up, you can locate it from above) These people are probably naive as children, but very, very tough to kill. Also, They should be able to tell you stories about the dark one that I talk about. They can hear him. I think that Ham and world band radio old timers might have a story to tell on this. These people would be on a different frequency than us as they aren't eating seeds. Famine relief: When I make my diet almost all whole wheat, I get a huge belly, lose muscle mass, sleep A LOT, and get sick. When I eat only fresh fruit, I get more energy, a Hollywood-flat belly, and need a lot less sleep. UN. Peace Keeping; There is fighting and killing all over. The troops go in when there is no bread on the shelf. (its OK to kill each other, just make sure there is enough to eat.) Somalia: What is disturbing is energetic, gun carrying, three foot tall sixteen year-olds, who eat nothing but some roots that they suck on. It is not so much that their growth is stunted, it is that they aren't dying at a rate of 50 of 60 years per life. Women with children, Babes in arms: Historical references to women and children as a single unit could mean that infants were not cut from the umbilical cord. (and hence, were not breast fed) I think that there may be some very interesting results to this, such as mother-child telepathy, and blue blooded infants. There are examples of this practice in the aquatic mammal kingdom to investigate. That guy is the master of illusion, and the ultimate liar. He tells it first, and then just follows the thread of time in which the people are willing to buy it. (in which he can make it so) He'll play a poker face up until he thinks he's cornered, and then he'll whine, beg and grovel. All it means to him is that you're willing to live on the ground work that he has laid, that is, that he was right, and he didn't over play his hand, and he won't need to go back and try another thread of time. You have ultimate control over your destiny, just don't live along a path that leads to a reality in which you don't want to be a part of. I don't claim to be the first to think these things, its just that the others could have been 'pruned' from our path. Maybe these thoughts given to me were laid down on the track of time, after him.

From: [email protected] (Tom Bruhns) Subject: Re: Trace size for a 15 Amp supply Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 34 [email protected] (Andy Collins) writes: >How thick do I need to make a PCB trace for 15 Amps of current? and >Does anybody have any other thoughts on the process (what kind of PCB >to use, materials, thickness of copper, any advice graciously accepted)? In four replies, I've seen no hard numbers, so here goes: For traces on the outside (not inner layers), expect, in 1 oz copper, at 15 amps, the following temperature rises versus width. This is from Sams' "Reference Data for Engineers," seventh edition, Pg 5-30, which claims in turn to be from MIL-STD-275C... width Temp rise inches degrees C ------ --------- .125 100 .15 75 .17 60 .20 45 .24 30 .33 20 At 10 amps, the rise for the .125 width is only about 30 degrees. Power goes as square of the current, plus the copper resistance goes up as temperature goes up... Certainly .20" (~5mm) traces should be ample for what you want to do. And 2 ounce copper almost cuts the required width in half. (I'd do 2 oz at about 0.08" width myself, I think...given that the _rated_ current is 10 amps and the 15 is a transient or fault condition.) (There's another question: will the voltage drop be low enough? But you should be able to figure this one out with wire tables or just the resistivity of copper. Keep traces short and use separate sensing traces where appropriate, as mentioned by another poster.)

From: [email protected] (Suraj Surendrakumar) Subject: !!!!!!!>> NEW STEREO SYSTEM FOR SALE <<!!!!!!!! Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department Distribution: usa Lines: 29 10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950 for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to [email protected]. Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer. Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty. Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer. Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections, 60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel Has all the standard features, and more. Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer. Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro. Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides. Has all standard features. Send E-mail with best offer to [email protected] -Suraj

From: [email protected] (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Organization: CSIRO ITS Lines: 41 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: |> |> That's your mistake. It would be better for the children if the mother |> raised the child. |> |> One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say "Mom", |> because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. |> Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my |> point. |> |> But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men |> stayed home and raised the child. That is something false made up by |> feminists that seek a status above men. You do not recognize the fact |> that men and women have natural differences. Not just physically, but |> mentally also. |> Bobby, there's a question here that I just HAVE to ask. If all of your posts aren't some sort of extended, elaborate hoax, why are you trying so hard to convince the entire civilised world that you're feeble minded? You have a talent for saying the most absurd things. Here's a little sign for you, print it, cut it out and put it on top of your computer/terminal. ENGAGE BRAIN PRIOR TO OPERATING KEYBOARD (Having said all that, I must admit we all get a laugh from your stuff.) -- | Graham Jenkins | [email protected] | | CSIRO | (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | | Canberra, AUSTRALIA | Research Organisation) |

From: [email protected] (David Nye) Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 19 [reply to [email protected] (MD)] >After many metabolic tests, body structure tests, and infection/virus >tests the doctors still do not know quite what type of siezures he is >having (although they do have alot of evidence that it is now pointing >to infantile spasms ). This is where we stand right now....As I know >now, these particular types of disorders are still not really well >understood by the medical community. Infantile spasms have been well understood for quite some time now. You are seeing a pediatric neurologist, aren't you? If not, I strongly recommend it. There is a new anticonvulsant about to be released called felbamate which may be particularly helpful for infantile spasms. As for learning more about seizures, ask your doctor or his nurse about a local support group. David Nye ([email protected]). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell

From: [email protected] (Victor P. Panlilio) Subject: Re: Whats this "Thermal Recalibration" on Quantum Drives ? Summary: Thermal recalibration on hard drives Article-I.D.: acs.93Apr06.172811.42754 Distribution: na Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >Whether the drive is hooked up to the computer or not, the LPS240 >makes a "disk seek noise" every 20 seconds. This is consistent >and will continue as lomg as the drive is powered up. Even if >I disconnect the drive from the computer, this "drive activity" >continues at 20 second intervals. > >Someone tried to tell me the drive was doing a "Thermal Recalibration". > >Not knowing beans about the internal physical workings of the lastest >disk drive technology.... I guess I might believe anything. > >Whats the scoop on this standalone "drive activity" every 20 sec? I can only comment on thermal recalibration in general. Some new drives perform it in order to increase overall integrity of data writes. Basically, the firmware instructs the actuator to perform a test to see if the data tracks are within a certain physical tolerance, since when the media heats up or cools down, *some* track drift is inevitable, and the drive has to monitor it. This becomes especially critical at very high recording densities, and so was used primarily on very large-capacity mechanisms, but it seems to be finding its way into more smaller drives as a way of boosting the drive's long-term reliability and MTBF ratings. I first became aware of thermal recalibration when it was pointed out that the technique conflicts with prolonged write times when digitizing, say, audio or video to hard disk. Some manufacturers explicitly state that drives with thermal recalibration are NOT to be used for applications that have prolonged disk writes. Hope this helps. Victor

From: [email protected] (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: I've found the secret! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 15 Why are the Red Sox in first place? Eight games into the season, they already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola. Clemens starts again tonight, on three days rest. What's up? Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation? Is this why Hesketh was used in relief last night? Hm. Cheers, -Valentine P.S. I was wrong. The Sox have already scored 18 runs in two games this week. They should reach 25 without trouble. I still think it's a fluke.

From: [email protected] (Grego Filippo) Subject: Info wanted on Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 9 Hi fellow netters, does anybody have any info on Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB card: price, speed, compatibility with existing and up-comming softwares, performance compared to others cards ( is it an S3 based card ?).... Thank you..

From: [email protected] (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: New Member Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 47 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Dave Fuller) writes: |> Hello. I just started reading this group today, and I think I am going |> to be a large participant in its daily postings. I liked the section of |> the FAQ about constructing logical arguments - well done. I am an atheist, |> but I do not try to turn other people into atheists. I only try to figure |> why people believe the way they do - I don't much care if they have a |> different view than I do. When it comes down to it . . . I could be wrong. |> I am willing to admit the possibility - something religious followers |> dont seem to have the capability to do. Welcome aboard! |> |> I notice alot of posts from Bobby. Why does anybody ever respond to |> his posts ? He always falls back on the same argument: (I think you just answered your own question, there) |> |> "If the religion is followed it will cause no bad" |> |> He is right. Just because an event was explained by a human to have been |> done "in the name of religion", does not mean that it actually followed |> the religion. He will always point to the "ideal" and say that it wasn't |> followed so it can't be the reason for the event. There really is no way |> to argue with him, so why bother. Sure, you may get upset because his |> answer is blind and not supported factually - but he will win every time |> with his little argument. I don't think there will be any postings from |> me in direct response to one of his. Most responses were against his postings that spouted the fact that all atheists are fools/evil for not seeing how peachy Islam is. I would leave the pro/con arguments of Islam to Fred Rice, who is more level headed and seems to know more on the subject, anyway. |> |> Happy to be aboard ! How did you know I was going to welcome you abord?!? |> |> Dave Fuller |> [email protected] |> |> Brian /-|-\

From: [email protected] (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Rex Wang ([email protected]) spews forth stupidly: > Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they > have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as > first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be > different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. > I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same > points with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people > actually put win as first in a tie breaker...... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that you don't actually ATTEND Rensselaer, and that you just work for ITS. Or that this was tounge-in-cheek. Does this mean that I should be cutting off my alumni contributions, or increasing them? -SG

From: [email protected] (Robert C Hite) Subject: Let's Talk Phillies Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 20 The Phillies salvaged their weekend series against the Chicago Cubs by beating them 11-10 in a wild one at Wrigley Field Sunday afternoon. It was the Phils only win in the three game series, and was the first time the Phillies have lost a series in the young season. The Phils jumped to a 6-0 lead in the game thanks to 2 John Kruk 2-run homers and two Wes Chamberlain homers. However Danny Jackson, and the Phillies middle relief was unable to hold the lead. Mitch Williams entered the game with the Phillies leading 8-4, however Candy Maldonado hit a ninth inning homerun to tie it. In the 11th, Dave Hollins hit a three-run shot, his first of the year to push the Phils ahead to stay. However, in a shaky bottom of the 11th the Cubs scored 2 runs and had the tying runner on base when the Cubs pinch hit Randy Myers for Bob Scanlan (they were out of position players) and Myers bunted into a double play to end the game. The Phils bring their league leading 9-3 record back to action Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday against the Padres.

From: [email protected] (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: VIPER Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper. I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge, and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket. Wierd dream, I wonder what it means.... Roy.

From: [email protected] (Tim Starr) Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith Organization: UDel: School of Life & Health Sciences Lines: 28 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Paul Prescod) writes: }In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Allan J. Heim) writes: }>Look, if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from }>bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be }>for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. } }Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. Japan did this. It required near-total isolation from the rest of the world for 2 centuries. }Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will }die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as }long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few }shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One }assumes they are moving!) Hunting weapons are great for extortionist sharpshooters. "Send me money or else I'll pick you off from 2 miles away." Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! Assistant Editor: Freedom Network News, the newsletter of ISIL, The International Society for Individual Liberty, 1800 Market St., San Francisco, CA 94102 (415) 864-0952; FAX: (415) 864-7506; [email protected] Think Universally, Act Selfishly - [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Randy Agee) Subject: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) Lines: 27 Several years back one of the radar detectors manufacturers, in defiance to Virginia's law against radar detectors, passed out thousands of fake cardboard radar detectors at truck stops near the Virginia State lines. At that time there were no radar detector Detectors! I am not sure of the impact but I would imagine that enforcement of the law by visually sighting a radar detector became difficult - if not impossible! As I said earlier, efforts to throw out or eliminate the VA law against radar detectors has been in vain. In fact, effective Jan. 1, 1993, the fine for possession of a radar detector accessable to the driver of a vehicle in VA is now $250.00. I have noted an interesting anomality with my Alinco DR-100 2 meter ham transceiver.... It will make a *cheap* radar detector scream! I am not sure of the range, but it is obvious by the brake lights that it can be at least 50 feet at 50 watts! :-) ============================================================================== Randy T. Agee - WB4BZX | At some point, you probably pondered The P.O. Box 2120 - 20th floor | Meaning of Life, and you came up with a Virginia Department of Education | satisfactory answer, which has or has not Richmond, VA 23216-2120 | stood the test of time, or you shrugged Phone (804) 225-2669 | mightily, muttered "Beats the heck out of [email protected] | me," and ordered a cheeseburger. =============================================================================

From: [email protected] (Renato Ghica) Subject: seek sedative information Originator: ghica@cyclops Organization: Citibank IBISM Lines: 11 has any one heard of a sedative called "Rhoepnol"? Made by LaRouche, I believe. Any info as to side effects or equivalent tranquillizers? thanks.... -- "This will just take a minute." "I'm 90% done." "It worked on my machine."

From: [email protected] (Paul Repacholi) Subject: Re: What is going on?... Lines: 27 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Distribution: inet In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Guy Thomas) writes: > [email protected] (Paul Repacholi) writes: > >>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Paul Repacholi) writes: >>... >>> If you can't be bothered reading, get the video "Manufacturing Consent". >>> > >>In reply to mail queries; I don't know if a video is available yet. I asked >>about a month ao and was told RSN. > > Yes it is. From the National Film Board of Canada. Ah, not in the USA. Thats a relief, thought 'reality' must be slipping for a second. :-) St Noam was on the radio tonight, he has just published a new book "501 years". Published by South End i guess. Could some bostonian confirm please? I would love to hear what he thinks of the Clipper scam. ~Paul PS The first posting I saw I thought was a joke in *VERY* bad taste. My appologies to the person who broke the news.

From: [email protected] (Kirk Membry) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry Organization: Private System Lines: 11 Read Issue #2 of Wired Magazine. It has a long article on the "hype" of 3DO. I've noticed that every article talks with the designers and how "great" it is, but never show any pictures of the output (or at least pictures that one can understand) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Kirk Membry "Our Age is the Age of Industry" rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

From: [email protected] (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Paul Harvey) writes: >In article <[email protected]> >[email protected] (Brian Kendig) writes: >>[email protected] (Robert Weiss) writes: >>> But if we walk in the light, >>> as he is in the light, >>> we have fellowship one with another, >>> and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son >>> cleanseth us from all sin. >> It can not be a light which cleanses >> if it is tainted with the blood >> of an innocent man. > >Human blood sacrifice! Martyrdom of an innocent virgin! "Nailed" to a >wooden pole! What is this obsession with male menstruation? Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb. Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull. If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not on the Endangered Species List. Thank you.

From: [email protected] (James B. Sheire) Subject: SCSI Ethernet Converter For Sale Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: usa Lines: 6 I have a strange piece of equipment to unload. It is a Ether+ SCSI interface. Apparently, it can be plugged into a SCSI port and from there to an ethernet. That way you save a slot. Nifty. Well, I assume you people know more about it, so, judging by the $350 price tag new, I'll ask, say, $75? Anybody interested?

From: [email protected] Subject: Porsche 928 (Bay Area) Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 20 Posting this for a friend Sunnyvale, California 1982 Porsche 928 GTS Package leather interior european handling package sunroof cruise control 88,000k miles new paint Immaculate in every way ********** DELIVERY POSSIBLE TO DESTINATION WITH DEPOSIT ******** $10,000 firm Low book is 11,500 High book is 16,000 Phone (408) 296-4444 Frank Rosqui As new this vehicle was $74,000 This posting does not reflect the opinions of my employer

From: [email protected] (Anthony Anello) Subject: HYPOGLYCEMIA Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: adcs01.fnal.gov Keywords: 40 BLOODCOUNT DANGEROUS? Can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is dangerous, i.e. indicates a possible pancreatic problem? One Dr. says no, the other (not his specialty) says the first is negligent and that another blood test should be done. Also, what is a good diet (what has worked) for a hypo- glycemic? TIA. Anthony Anello Fermilab Batavia, Illinois --

From: [email protected] (Jack Ritter) Subject: Help!! Article-I.D.: shograf.C531E6.7uo Distribution: usa Organization: SHOgraphics, Sunnyvale Lines: 9 I need a complete list of all the polygons that there are, in order. I'll summarize to the net. -------------------------------------------------------- "If only I had been compiled with the '-g' option." ---------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Howard P Marvel) Subject: Re: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310? Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr5.231721.1272 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu My wife has one of these. I have not had much chance to fiddle with it, but in comparison to our Laserwriters with Canon engines, she complains that the print is too light for her taste. The difference is quite apparent even when the print setting on the Select 310 is adjusted to the darkest possible level. I don't find it objectionable, and indeed rather like it, but be warned that some people don't care for it and it is considerably different. I recall that years ago there were lots of debates over write-black vs. write-white engines when dealing with TeX drivers. Is something like that going on here?

From: [email protected] (Richard Hoenes) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Temple University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >This was obviously a lot different than the ordinary FBI adventure. > >I believe that the Federal officers had a conflict of interests here. > >Throught out the whole affair, it seamed to me that they were chiefly >concerned with saving face rather than saving lifes. Its true that >The BD were resisting arrest and that they should have surrendered >when they first realized that these where federal officers. But they >didn`t. I'm not sure what you mean by 'saving face' unless you are confusing the FBI with the BATF who are the ones who were in charge of the original search warrant. >But when they didn`t, the FBI should not have treated as a hostage >situation, it wasn't. > >I think more discussions, possible independant negotiators, and >family intervention should have been used. > Independant Negotiators? What was there to negotiate? Any sort of plea bargin has to be brought to the court, the negotiators can't negotiate charges or sentences. FBI negotitators did make a deal for the Dividians to come out. Koresh showed he was not negotiating in good faith and there is no reason to believe independent negotiators would have done any better. Richard

Organization: University of Maine System From: Andrew T. Robinson <[email protected]> Subject: Reasons for hospitals to join Internet? Lines: 8 What resources and services are available on Internet/BITNET which would be of interest to hospitals and other medical care providers? I'm interested in anything relelvant, including institutions and businesses of interest to the medical profession on Internet, special services such as online access to libraries or diagnostic information, etc. etc. Please reply directly to [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Ethan Solomita) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: > >I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for >the border of a window or for the "user" window. Maybe other window managers >have similar options. >Another way to figure out the difference between the "user" window position >and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their >positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager >decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only >figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped >this way. > Another way would be to use GetGeometry to find out where you are relative to the frame, and TranslateCoordinates to find out where your window's upperleft corner really is. -- Ethan

From: [email protected] (Chad Toelle) Subject: Fax software for windows Organization: University of Evansville Distribution: usa Lines: 10 I would like to know about the current fax software available for Windows. Does it take a 9600 baud fax/modem or 14.4K ? Please respond with info. Thank you very much -- Chad Toelle [email protected] 4216 S. St. Philip Rd - or - Mt. Vernon, IN 47620 uunet!evansville.edu!toelle (812) 985-3222

From: [email protected] (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Distribution: na Lines: 19 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Josh Hopkins) writes: >I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in >connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don't >rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable. >Anyone else know anything on this angle? If by that you mean anything on the GD approach, there was an article on it in a recent Avation Week. I don't remember the exact date but it was recent. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!" | | W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." | +----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+

From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) Subject: Re: Representation of Territories? (Was: Re: The $11,250,000,000,000 lunch) Reply-To: [email protected] (John F. Haugh II) Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX Distribution: tx Lines: 17 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Chris Winemiller) writes: > Does anyone have knowledge about how this was handled in >the past, such as with the Louisiana Territory or the Northwest >Territory? Those areas became states. Puerto Rico has the population needed to become a state. But the ethnic mix there is such that Puerto Rico will probably never become a state. I say we cut them loose. If they don't want to become a state, we shouldn't continue to subsidize their existence. -- John F. Haugh II [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [ DoF #17 ] @'s: [email protected] Look up "Ponzi Scheme" in a good dictionary - it will have a picture of Joe Liberal Handout right next to it. Stop federal spending. Cut the deficit.

From: [email protected] Subject: Need phone number for Western Digital (ESDI problem) Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dirac.phys.washington.edu Keywords: Western Digital, ESDI I have WD1007-WA2 ESDI controller with ROM BIOS v.1.1. It has been working fine until I recently upgraded motherboard to 386-40MHz. Now, my Maxter drive goes crazy making lots of seeking sound even when the drive is not accessed. Of course, with numourous hard disk controller errors. These symptoms disappear when I switch to non-turbo mode (8 MHz). I suspect some timing dependent Rom Bios routines. (There's a newer version 2.x) Could anybody help me on this? By the way, my new mother board has AMI Bios, 128k Cache, 8 MHz bus, and works fine with my old MFM drives (I had to dig them up). :-( Also, I will appreciate it very much if somebody send me the phone numbers (tech support/BBS) for Western Digital. Many thanks in advance. Jay -- Physics, UW, Seattle, WA 98195 (206)543-7543 [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS. ( was :Israel: misisipi to ganges) Nntp-Posting-Host: next03wor.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 20 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: > |> > |> Hassan and some other seemed not to be a ware that Jews celebrating on > |> these days Thje Passover holliday the holidy of going a way from the > |> Nile. > |> So if one let his imagination freely work it seemed beter to write > |> that the Zionist drean is "from the misisipi to the Nile ". > > the question is by going East or West from the misisipi. on either choice > you would loose Palestine or Broklyn, N.Y. > > I thought you're gonna say fromn misisipi back to the misisipi ! > Nonononnononono....its "From the Nile to the Nile.....the Long way!" ;-)

From: [email protected] (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge Lines: 36 Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Bob Rahe) writes: |>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (A.J. Teel) writes: |> |>> Ed, they are losing their humor. Please take a break until they |>>get funny again (?), if that is even possible. I liked a few of these, |>>but that list is not even sarcastic, just insulting and definitely not |>>one of your best. I look forward to some better lists after a sabatical? |>>[email protected] |> |> No, they must be working, they are getting lots of these 'complaints' |>that they are not funny.... Keep 'em coming, it they weren't funny or |>bothering them they'd just ignore them.... If a six year old child does a funny trick and you say well done he will do it again and it may be funny. Then they may repeat it over and over again bu you still have to pretend its funny even though it isn't any more. Once they are older than six you expect them to realise that doing the same thing over and over again isn't funny any more. Basicaly Ed fails to be amusing because he is merely crass. He does not make jokes that have any political content beyond attempting to ridicule their target. Calling someone Slick Willie is not funny even if you put on a red nose while you say it, it was a good debating point used on the spur of the moment 12 months ago but now its use merely demonstrates that the user couldn't think of anything original to say. In the UK there is a tradition of old retired Colnels who bore the dinner guests rigid with their descriptions of old campagns. Ed is clearly one of this type of people who fails to see when a joke is spent. Phill Hallam-Baker

From: [email protected] (Timothy P. Henrion) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: susie.sbc.com In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] () writes: >> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (stephen) writes: >>>For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, >>>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, >> >> I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his >> sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. > >I assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths? Only my common sense. The fire was caused by either Koresh and his followers or by the FBI/ATF/CIA/KGB/and maybe the Harper Valley PTA. Since you are throwing around the evidence arguement, I'll throw it back. Can you prove any government agency did it? (Please don't resort to "they covered it up so that proves they did it" or any wild theories about how the government agencies intentionally started the fire. The key words are proof and evidence.) proves they did it" > >> All that "thou shalt not kill" stuff. > >I'd like to point out that the Bible says "Do not commit murder." The NKJ >translation mistranslates. Self-defense was never considered murder. The Please explain how Koresh was defending himself from those children who burned. -- Tim Henrion Southwestern Bell Technology Resources [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Esin Terzioglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Davidian) writes: >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES > Ermenistan kasiniyor... Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets into it : Armenia is getting itchy. Esin.

From: [email protected] (Bruce Schneier) Subject: ISSA '93 Conference Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Distribution: usa Lines: 4 If there is anyone attending the ISSA conference in Arlington, VA next week, I would appreciate them getting in touch with me. Bruce

From: [email protected] (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: RGV and posing!! Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 13 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Speedy Mercer) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Mydlak) writes: >>[Squid deleted] > 5. Helment laws vary from state to state. In my state (Louisiana) it is >the law. I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no >law. A helment will save your life. I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Tng Tai Hou) Subject: ADB and graphics tablet help! Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS Lines: 13 Help!!! I have an ADB graphicsd tablet which I want to connect to my Quadra 950. Unfortunately, the 950 has only one ADB port and it seems I would have to give up my mouse. Please, can someone help me? I want to use the tablet as well as the mouse (and the keyboard of course!!!). Thanks in advance. Tai Hou TNG Singapore

From: [email protected] (Gary The Burgermeister Huckabay) Subject: Bill James Player Rating Book 1993. Organization: Harold Brooks Duck L'Orange Club, Ltd. Lines: 26 (Dave 'This has never happened to me before' Kirsch) writes: > Correction: "Nied was the only player identified in this book as a grade A >prospect who was exposed to the draft..", according to Bill James in the >'Stop the Presses' section preceding his player evaluations. He valued Nied >at $21, and said that Nied's value does not increase significantly as a >result of his selection (although he did catch a break getting away from the >strongest rotation in baseball). I thought Bill James' latest book completely and totally sucked. I bought it, but will not purchase anything of his ever again without THOROUGHLY looking at it first. What tripe. The book is inconsistent, and filled with selective analysis. James claims to be looking forward, and then makes some absolutely bizarre statements of value. Not only that, but I got the impression he probably glanced at the book for about an hour before he put his name on it. To say I was disappointed is a grand understatement. -- * Gary Huckabay * Kevin Kerr: The Al Feldstein of the mid-90's! * * "A living argument for * If there's anything we love more than a huge * * existence of parallel * .sig, it's someone quoting 100 lines to add * * universes." * 3 or 4 new ones. And consecutive posts, too. *

From: [email protected] (Lynn R Grant) Subject: Another key registration body bites the dust (IMHO) Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 46 One of the candidates that has been suggested for a key registration body is the ACLU. I think this is poor choice. The ACLU is essentially a group of auditors: they audit how people's civil liberties are administered. Traditionally, auditors do not like to get involved in the design or operational aspects of things, and with good reason. When I was a systems programmer, it always infuriated me that the auditors would come in and tell us our implementation stunk from a security point of view, but wouldn't tell us how to fix it. I always figured they just liked to critcize, without doing the work to help fix the problem. Then I took a stint as an auditor, and I found out the real reason. Auditors don't like to recommend solutions, because it puts them in a bad position if they have to criticize the implementation later. The auditee can say, "Well, you told us this way would be OK." It compromises the independence that is a necessary part of the auditor's job. Taking the case at hand, suppose ACLU becomes a key half registrar. Suppose that, perhaps through some error on ACLU's part, a key half gets away that shouldn't, and is used to deprive someone of her civil liberties. The ACLU gets wind of this, and wants to take it to court. But they end up being at the same time on the side of the defendant and of the plaintiff, which is not an easy position to be in. There are exceptions to the complete independence of auditors: at one place where I worked, when payroll checks were printed, they were signed automatically by a signature drum on the bursting machine. This drum was kept by the auditors (who also kept the check stock), and was brought down to Data Processing when it was time to do the checks. I believe the difference between this situation and the key registration situation is that it is fairly obvious when it is time to do the payroll checks: if they were done yesterday, and someone wants to do them again today, he better be able to produce yesterday's checks so that they can be destroyed. Determining which of the many requests for key halves are legit is a trickier process, one much more prone to mistakes that could put the ACLU in a protecting-the-client versus protecting-the-ACLU conflict of interest. As always, my opinions are my own. Lynn Grant [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Sanjay Baldwa) Subject: X support for pressure sensitive tablet Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA, USA Distribution: comp Lines: 7 Are there any vendors supporting pressure sensitive tablet/pen with X? I will appreciate any pointers. Thanks, Sanjay -- [email protected] or ..!decwrl!adobe!baldwa

From: [email protected] (Marc VanHeyningen) Subject: RIPEM Frequently Noted Vulnerabilities Article-I.D.: usenet.C4qoH8.CHE Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Lines: 163 Content-Type: text/x-usenet-FAQ; version=1.0; title="RIPEM Attacks" Originator: [email protected] Supersedes: <[email protected]> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Archive-name: ripem/attacks Last-update: 31 Mar 93 21:00:00 -0500 SOME POSSIBLE ATTACKS ON RIPEM ------------------------------ This is a living list of potential weaknesses to keep your eyes open for when using RIPEM for secure electronic mail. It does not go into great detail, and is almost certainly not exhaustive. Obviously, many of the weaknesses are weaknesses of cryptographically secured mail in general, and will pertain to secure mail programs other than RIPEM. It is maintained by Marc VanHeyningen <[email protected]>. It is posted monthly to a variety of news groups; followups pertaining specifically to RIPEM should go to alt.security.ripem. CRYPTANALYSIS ATTACKS --------------------- - Breaking RSA would allow an attacker to find out your private key, in which case he could read any mail encrypted to you and sign messages with your private key. RSA is generally believed to be resistant to all standard cryptanalytic techniques. Even a standard key (about 516 bits with RIPEM) is long enough to render this impractical, barring a huge investment in hardware or a breakthrough in factoring. - Breaking DES would allow an attacker to read any given message, since the message itself is encrypted with DES. It would not allow an attacker to claim to be you. DES has only 56 bits in its key, and thus could conceivably be compromised by brute force with sufficient hardware, but few agencies have such money to devote to simply read one message. Since each message has a different DES key, the work for each message would remain high. KEY MANAGEMENT ATTACKS ---------------------- - Stealing your private key would allow the same benefits as breaking RSA. To safeguard it, it is encrypted with a DES key which is derived from a passphrase you type in. However, if an attacker can get a copy of your private keyfile and your passphrase (by snooping network packets, tapping lines, or whatever) he could break the whole scheme. The main risk is that of transferring either the passphrase or the private key file across an untrusted link. So don't do that. Run RIPEM on a trusted machine, preferably one sitting right in front of you. Ideally, your own machine in your own home (or maybe office) which nobody else has physical access to. - Fooling you into accepting a bogus public key for someone else could allow an opponent to deceive you into sending secret messages to him rather than to the real recipient. If the enemy can fool your intended recipient as well, he could re-encrypt the messages with the other bogus public key and pass them along. It is important to get the proper public keys of other people. The most common mechanism for this is finger; assuming the opponent has not compromised routers or daemons or such, finger can be given a fair amount of trust. The strongest method of key authentication is to exchange keys in person; however, this is not always practical. Having other people "vouch for you" by signing a statement containing your key is possible, although RIPEM doesn't have features for doing this as automatically as PGP. RIPEM does generate and check MD5 fingerprints of public keys in the key files; they may be exchanged via a separate channel for authentication. PLAYBACK ATTACKS ---------------- - Even if an opponent cannot break the cryptography, an opponent could still cause difficulties. For example, suppose you send a message with MIC-ONLY (a PEM mode which does not provide disclosure protection) to Alice which says "OK, let's do that." Your opponent intercepts it, and now resends it to Bob, who now has a message which is authenticated as from you telling him to do that. Of course, he may interpret it in an entirely different context. Or your opponent could transmit the same message to the same recipient much later, figuring it would be seen differently at a later time. Or the opponent could change the Originator-Name: to himself, register your public key as his, and send a message hoping the recipient will send him return mail indicating (perhaps even quoting!) the unknown message. To defeat playback attacks, the plaintext of each message should include some indication of the sender and recipient, and a unique identifier (typically the date). A good front-end script for RIPEM should do this automatically (IMHO). As a recipient, you should be sure that the Originator-Name: header and the sender indicated within the plaintext are the same, that you really are a recipient, and that the message is not an old one. Some this also can and should be automated. The author of this FAQ has made a modest attempt at automating the process of generating and checking encapsulated headers; the programs are included in the standard distribution in the utils directory. LOCAL ATTACKS ------------- - Clearly, the security of RIPEM cannot be greater than the security of the machine where the encryption is performed. For example, under UNIX, a super-user could manage to get at your encrypted mail, although it would take some planning and effort to do something like replace the RIPEM executable with a Trojan horse or to get a copy of the plaintext, depending how it's stored. In addition, the link between you and the machine running RIPEM is an extension of that. If you decrypt with RIPEM on a remote machine which you are connected to via network (or, worse yet, modem), an eavesdropper could see the plaintext (and probably also your passphrase.) RIPEM should only be executed on systems you trust, obviously. In the extreme case, RIPEM should only be used on your own machine, which you have total control over and which nobody else has access to, which has only carefully examined software known to be free of viruses, and so on. However, there's a very real trade-off between convenience and security here. A more moderately cautious user might use RIPEM on a UNIX workstation where other people have access (even root access), but increase security by keeping private keys and the (statically linked, of course) executable on a floppy disk. Some people will keep RIPEM on a multi-user system, but when dialing in over an insecure line, they will download the message to their own system and perform the RIPEM decryption there. However, the security provided by such a mechanism is somewhat illusory; since you presumably type your cleartext password to log in, you've just given away the store, since the attacker can now log in as you and install traps in your account to steal your private key next time you use it from a less insecure line. This will likely remain the situation as long as most systems use the rather quaint mechanism of cleartext password authentication. I find it nice to put a brief statement of how carefully I manage my security arrangement in my .plan next to my public key, so that potential correspondents can be aware what level of precautions are in place. Some people use two keys, a short one which is not carefully managed for ordinary use and a longer one which is treated with greater care for critical correspondence. UNTRUSTED PARTNER ATTACKS ------------------------- - RIPEM's encryption will ensure that only a person with the private key corresponding to the public key used to encrypt the data may read the traffic. However, once someone with that key gets the message, she may always make whatever kind of transformations she wishes. There exist no cryptographic barriers to a recipient, say, taking an ENCRYPTED message and converting it to a MIC-ONLY message, signed by you and readable by anyone, although RIPEM does not provide this functionality. Indeed, the latest PEM draft I have seen specifically states that such transformations should be possible to allow forwarding functions to work. Including the recipients in the plaintext, as mentioned above, will make it possible for recipients of a redistributed message to be aware of its original nature. Naturally, the security of the cryptography can never be greater than the security of the people using it.

From: [email protected] (Daniel Burstein) Subject: Re: (Q) CONNER HD specs Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 17 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Heikki Haldre) writes: >Can anybody send CONNER CP-321 harddisk specifications? >It has 612 Cyl, and 4 HD, but I am more intrested in its time-out values, >precomp, etc. >Heikki Haldre Internet: [email protected] conner peripherals has a 1-800 number with a touch-tone /voice response data bank giving all the info. if you call 1-800 directory assisatnce (1-800-555-1212) and ask for the phone number of "conner peripherals," you should get what you need. [email protected] all the usual disclaimers apply, whatever they may be.

From: [email protected] (L Clator Butler Jr) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: Clemson University Lines: 11 [email protected] (Michael Covington) writes: >(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the >Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so >(it would have discredited the Christians). It is told in the Gospels that the Pharisees (sp.?) and scribes bribed the Roman soldiers to say that the Diciples stole his body in the night. Good enough excuse for the Jewish and Roman objectives (of that day). --Clator [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Scott Mace) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 92 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wayne Smith) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Eric Smith) writes: >> >>SCSI is better because it has a better future, and it has a lot of >>minor advantages right now. IDE cards are cheaper right now, but will >>be obsolete in a few years. (In fact, IDE cards are so cheap, they >>might as well be free. The real cost is in the IDE drives.) SCSI >>cards cost more, but they are worth it. > >I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... >If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system >Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. Maybe my workstation doesn't understand what your vesa local bus IDE is Vesa local bus will be killed off by pcmi? whatever intels spec is. VLBUS it not good for much more than vga cards. To each his own. I'll laugh when you start crying over how much you spent for your 2 little ide drives and then finding out you need more space. > >>The biggest advantage of SCSI right now is that you can add more >>different kinds of devices, such as tapes, etc., easily, and can add >>bigger disks. The best and most cost effective hard disks available >>are SCSI. Here Here.... > >Only of you need drives larger then 500 meg. Oh yes, gotta have 10 megs/sec >transfer rate for those speedy tape backups and cd rom drives. don't stick your foot in your mouth when you make a statement you know nothing about. I'd rather wait a second compared to the 5 minutes and ide would take. (obviously exaggerated). Have you ever tried to backup 2 gigs of disk? Oh I forgot you can't because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. > >Basically, if a person *has* to ask which one is better for him/her, >then they will *probably* never see the EXPENSIVE benefits from SCSI. I guess you probably bought a 486sx too > >Also, all this arm-waving about SCSI expandability is a moot point if >the user only has one or two drives on it. And with SCSI those two >drives *may* be fast, but that speed is only due to the onboard memory >cache -> something I can duplicate with a caching IDE controller. What? The SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE spec has much more bandwidth than any stupid vlbus ide crap.... Stop this thread now, Its just cluttering up bandwidth. If you want to read about scsi vs ide just pay a visit to you local usenet archive. the best SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE,etc is clearly faster than any the best ide drive. All the response given are based upon personal experience with 1 or 2 drives. You can't judge such completely different interfaces. IDE has the low cost adavantage + a descent performance. SCSI has the ability for super high capacity expandibility and speed. neither one is better in all cases. If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa busmastering cards. send flames to /dev/null..... -- ********************************************************************* * Scott Mace internet: [email protected] * * [email protected] * *********************************************************************

From: [email protected] (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 43 [email protected] (Orin Roth) writes: > Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning > it was. Are they still, officially? > If so, why? and how did they receive this label? > > Unoffically, but without a doubt, America's Team is the Cubs. Why? > Well, my guess is because America loves underdogs. Every year, no matter > the Cubs' talent or the predictions, they never (as close to never as > possible) win anything. Over the years, as the losing has mounted, America > has fallen in love with these perennial losers. The Cubs have more fans > in Chicago then some teams do worldwide. The Cubs have more fans > worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined. > An aura of excitement surrounds the Cubs at the beginning of the season > like no one else. (including the WS champs) It must be that Eternal Hope. > "this is the year. they've got the talent. they're off to a good start. > they've got the pitching (or hitting, or whatever their strong point is > at the time)." It's that inevitability that the Cubs WILL eventually > win the WS again. When? Only God knows. Since it's been so long, it > could come at any time, or it could be another 85 years. But until they > do finally win, and start winning consistently, The Cubs will remain > America's Lovable Underdogs. The Cubs are...AMERICA'S TEAM. > Orin. > Bradley U> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, not the Cubs. I root for the Cubs, because I feel sorry for them, but basically they are dogs. The Pirates today are a great example of an underdog. If the Rockies and Marlins compete, they will be underdogs. The North Stars trip to the Stanley Cup finals was a good example of an underdog's journey. The Cubs have a good team this year, and play in a weak division, they are much less than America's Team. > >-- >I'm really a jester in disguise! -- Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: [email protected] ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*

From: [email protected] (Robin Kenny) Subject: Re: CMOS memory loss..Any idea why? Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 14 How is the CMOS backed-up? Dry cell batteries or ni-cad cell? Your batteries may be dead. [email protected] ([email protected]) wrote: : A friend's computer recently failed to recognize its hard drive. : On examination it was discovered that the CMOS had lost all data. : No other problems were discovered. When the CMOS was restored, : everything appeared to work as before. This all happened after : a long period of stable operation. The most recent change had : been the addition of a second hard drive as a slave. Qemm had : been installed along with DeskView for quite a while. Any ideas? : The computer is a 386dx with 8megs of ram, an ATI Wonder xl card, and is : about a year and a half old.

Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR From: [email protected] (David Grabiner) Organization: /etc/organization Nntp-Posting-Host: boucher.harvard.edu In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 16:19:23 GMT Lines: 41 In article <[email protected]>, David Robert Walker writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Neal Traven) writes: >>One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the >>split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%. > I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or > even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds > identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and > even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot > more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense, > Gordon). I wouldn't give baserunning that much value. The above effect is clear, but there are other effects as well. If Olerud hits a double, any runner on first will score; if Alomar legs an extra base onto a hit in the gap, the runner on first may need to hold at third. Thus Olerud's doubles have more advancement value than Alomar's. (Of course, Alomar is more likely to score after hitting a double.) Another reason not to give too much extra value to baserunning is that the runs created formulas work for very fast and very slow teams. No team in the 1950's ran much, but some teams certainly had faster players than others. Still, the current runs created formulas work just as well in the 1950's for all teams. Bill James gives the 1955-1958 Senators as an example. They used Harmon Killebrew regularly as a pinch runner, and in 1957, stole 13 bases with 38 times caught stealing. Yet they scored slightly more runs than predicted by Runs Created. -- David Grabiner, [email protected] "We are sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary." "Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again." Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 20 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) writes: >I like those lyrics, >since whenever I am approached by judgemental, pharisitical, >evangelical fundamentalists who throw the Bible at me because >I have long hair, wear a black leather jacket, and listen to Black >Sabbath, I have something to throw back.... >It just goes to show that there are more important evils in the >world to battle than rock lyrics........... It just goes to show that not all evangelical fundamentalists are pharisitical! I wear a black leather jacket, like classic rock, but no longer have the long locks I once had. However, I too rely upon the Bible as a basis for Christian ethics. a fundamentalistic evangelical, --Rex

From: [email protected] (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Fingernail "moons" Reply-To: [email protected] (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Prince) writes: >I only have lunulas on my thumbs. Is there any medical >significance to that finding? Thank you in advance for all >replies. > Try peeling the skin back at the base of your other fingernails (not too hard, now, don't want to hurt yourself). You'll find nice little lunulas there if you can peel it back enough. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and [email protected] | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN Lines: 50 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ken Arromdee) writes... >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >>>Are you aware that there is an arms embargo on all of what is/was >>>Yugoslavia, including Bosnia, which guarantees massive military >>>superiority of Serbian forces and does not allow the Bosnians to >>>try to defend themselves? >>Should we sell weapons to all sides, or just the losing one, then? > >Ending an embargo does not _we_ must sell anything at all. Right. We'll probably end up giving them weapons. >>If the Europeans want to sell weapons to one or both sides, they are welcome >>as far as I'm concerned. > >You seem to oppose ending the embargo. You know, it is difficult for Europeans >to sell weapons when there is an embargo in place. During WWII, the British managed to supply arms to the Yugoslavs despite German occupation. If the Europeans had the will to do anything besides sponsoring peace conferences, they would have no problem putting any kind of weapon they wanted into Bosnia. I guess I would favor ending the embargo if the Congress would pass a law forbidding export of US military supplies to Yugoslavia, including via third parties. Until then the risks of the US being drawn into a more active role would be too great. I do not see the arms embargo as a major factor in the outcome of the war. >>I do not automatically accept the argument that Bosnia is any worse than >>other recent civil wars, say Vietnam for instance. The difference is it is >>happening to white people inside Europe, with lots of TV coverage. > >But if this was the reason, and if furthermore both sides are equal, wouldn't >all us racist Americans be favoring the good Christians (Serbs) instead >of the non-Christians we really seem to favor? Both sides are certainly not equal in the eyes of the press. And that's about all we have to go on, isn't it? And I wish you'd quit hurling words like racist around. There are many levels at which people react to what they see. At the most fundamental level, you do not have to consciously recognize the racial element - you simply tend to empathize more with people who are like yourself. As far preferring Christian over Moslem, I am an atheist myself, and I think you'll agree that in the US, the majority of people do not typically discriminate on the basis of religion, nor give it a particularly important place in their world view. Dave

Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 From: [email protected] (Wim Van Holder) Distribution: world Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department Subject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Lines: 28 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes: |> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wim Van Holder) writes: |> >Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a |> >Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet |> >class error or something the like... |> |> How are you attempting to do that? |> |> Are you using the DIS_PKT9 program? This provides a packet driver on |> top of the NDIS driver. |> I tried to do so, but people told me that even if I used DISPKT, the packets would still be incompatible. Is this true ? |> -- |> Thomas Beagle | [email protected] Work: 64 4 233 8186 __o |> Technical Writer | [email protected] Home: 64 4 499 3832 _-\<, |> Wellington, NZ | Hound for hire. Will work for dog biscuits. (_)/(_) Wim Van Holder Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 Dekenstraat 2 B-3000 Leuven E-mail: [email protected] BELGIUM [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Richard A Chonak) Subject: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart...") Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: l'organisation, c'est moi Lines: 53 Eric ("Damien"?) was presenting his views on Christianity; I'll respond to a few of his points: In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Eric Molas) writes: |> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame |> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. |> |> <<****Strong opinions start here...****>> |> |> 1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced |> mental facilities, developed religion as a satisfiable solution to |> explain the unexplainable. (For example the ancient Greeks believed |> that Apollo drove his chariot across the sky each day was real. Due |> to the advancement of our technology, we know this to be false.) This is certainly a valid objection to religion-as-explanation-of- nature. Fortunately for the convenience of us believers, there is a class of questions that can never be reduced away by natural science. For example: why does the universe exist at all? After all, the time-space world didn't have to exist. Why does *anything* exist? And: is it possible for persons (e.g. man) to come into being out of a purely impersonal cosmos? These questions which look at the real mysteries of life -- the creation of the world and of persons -- provide a permanent indicator that the meaning of life in the material world can only be found *outside* that world, in its Source. |> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we |> die. |> |> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. |> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject |> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will. And one the requires a kind of "faith" too. By taking such a hard line in your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own. But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by reading Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity". From your remarks, it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian religion and not others. Even an atheist should have enough faith in Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and be animated by some enduring values. With best wishes, -- Richard Aquinas Chonak, [email protected], Usenet addict, INTP I have very exclusive and nuanced opinions. License info available on request.

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Reply-To: [email protected] Distribution: inet Organization: J. Stefan Institute, Lj, Slovenia Lines: 61 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (1016/2EF221) writes: > Andrew Molitor ([email protected]) wrote: > : > : 1) Monitor my phonecalls. > : 2) Monitor usenet. > : 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack. > : 4) etc etc. > : > : This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't > : know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost > : all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you', > : your claims about the NSA border on paranoia. > : > : Andrew ..... ..... ..... > > Or maybe the Germans should have been a little more 'paranoid' about > their Engima with respect to Turing and the British. > > How about the cracking of the Zimmerman telegram? Would a little > more paranoia have helped the Germans here? > > Maybe the NSA should have been a little more 'paranoid' about > Emma Woikin, or Joseph Sidney Petersen, Jr., or ... > > Maybe you want to talk about Macmillan publishers cooperation > with the CIA and NSA to suppress Yardley's Japanese Diplomatic > Secrets or even Kahn's The Codebreakers.. paranoia, right? > > The most popular cipher systems in captured soviet spies was > the one-time pad, even with the necessity of keeping incriminating > evidence about, is known to be the only proven unbreakable system. > Soviet paranoia, right? > > And what do you think the NSA does with its Wullenwebers? And > huge Rhombics pointed embassy row? And their sites near > satellite uplink and downlink sites? Duh. > ..... > -- > [email protected] 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F > One case of Slovenian paranoia. Once upon a time a tried to walk over the (famous) Marathon field, not far away from Athens. I could not do that mostly becouse the field is now a huge antenna farm. Probably a Greek COMINT installation, would you agree? -- Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic J. Stefan Institute | Internet:[email protected] University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199 SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request DOLGO SMOIS KALIS OVRAZ NIKEI NJIHK OCNOO DKRIL IVSEB IPIKA

From: [email protected] (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: <Political Atheists? Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 34 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (SCOTT D. SAUYET) writes: >In <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > >>> Chimpanzees fight wars over land. >> >> But chimps are almost human... >> >> keith > >Could it be? This is the last message from Mr. Schneider, and it's >more than three days old! > >Are these his final words? (And how many here would find that >appropriate?) Or is it just that finals got in the way? > No. The christians were leary of having an atheist spokesman (seems so clandestine, and all that), so they had him removed. Of course, Keith is busy explaining to his fellow captives how he isn't really being persecuted, since (after all) they *are* feeding him, and any resistance on his part would only be viewed as trouble making. I understand he did make a bit of a fuss when they tatooed "In God We Trust" on his forehead, though. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine [email protected] They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From: [email protected] (mack) Subject: Re: News briefs from KH # 1026 Organization: Stanford University Lines: 19 [email protected] (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes: >From: Kayhan Havai # 1026 >-------------------------- > > [...] > >o Dr. Malekzadeh, the minister of health mentioned that > the population growth rate in Iran at the end of 1371 > went below 2.7 I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period is so small (at the end of 1371)? Is it adequete to suggest a trend or is it just noise? > - Farzin Mokhtarian --mack

From: [email protected] (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Who be Conservative on this..... Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 17 In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kevin Darcy) writes: |Congress is NOT allowed to abrogate the constitutional rights and privileges |already enjoyed by persons, however, unless the abrogation has a "rational |reason" or a "compelling interest" to it, depending on which standard is |applied. This is relevant because granting a right to one class of persons |by definition ALWAYS impinges on the rights of another class or classes or |persons, to some degree. In the case of abortion, establishing rights for |the unborn impinges GREATLY on the rights of pregnant women. There has yet |to be presented a sufficient justification for such fetal rights. Not to your satisfaction. But the arguments have convinced me, and others. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. [email protected]

From: [email protected] Subject: Package for Fashion Designer? Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 1 This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.

From: [email protected] (Josh A. Goldfoot) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Yale University Lines: 21 Distribution: inet Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 Minerva PL9] Shaun P. Hughes ([email protected]) wrote: : In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: [deletion] : >Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it : >was posted encrypted? : > : >These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. : > : Now why would anyone "post" anything encrypted? Encryption is only of : use between persons who know how to decrypt the data. : And why should I care what other people look at? I was responding to another person (Tarl Neustaedter) who held that the EFF wasn't the best organization to fight for crytography rights since the EFF also supports the right to distribute pornography over the internet, something some Crypto people might object to. In other words, he's implying that there are people who will protect any speech, just as long as it is encrypted.

From: [email protected] (Stephen Pietrowicz) Subject: Surface normal orientations Article-I.D.: travis.1pscti$aqe Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: travis.csd.harris.com Some rendering programs require that all surface normals point in the same direction. (ie: On a closed cube, all normals point outwards). You can use the points on the faces to determine the direction of the normal, by making sure that all points are either in clockwise or counter-clockwise order. How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a set of points, edges and faces? Say that you had a cube with all faces that have their normals facing outwards, except for one face. What's the best way to realize that face is "flipped", and should have it's points re-ordered? I thought I had a good way of telling this, but then realized that the algorithm I had would only tell you if you had points in clockwise order for a 2d polygon. I'd like something for 3d data. Any hints, tips, references would be appreciated. Steve -- Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will. -- John Kenneth Galbraith ------- These opinions are my own.

From: [email protected]@nd.edu Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Organization: University of Notre Dame Lines: 64 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Kayman) writes: >From: [email protected] (Robert Kayman) >Subject: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... >Keywords: printer >Date: 18 Apr 93 04:17:41 GMT >Hello fellow 'netters. >I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I >should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I >thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from >relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest >potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls >better than any salesperson. >Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 >dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). >Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference, >particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75 >pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated >here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? >Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your >personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, >both good and bad. >Advance kudos and thanks for all your input. E-mail or news posting is >readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth). >-- >Sincerely, >Robert Kayman ---- [email protected] -or- [email protected] >"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not." >"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision > revised?!?!" All right. Not saying I know any more than the average salesguy, I'll give your question a shot. The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. You really have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear. The HP DeskJets need 10-15 seconds to completely dry. In both cases, however, do not get your pages wet. Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not toner. But that should go without saying. My PC has very little memory (only 2Meg RAM), so the BJ-200 takes a little while to print ----- but every application I use takes a while to run. Once the computer is solely printing, it purs like a kitten and puts pages out every 15-30 seconds, depending on how detailed your graphics are. The BJ-200 can do Windows soft fonts. I'm assuming that the DeskJet can, or HP wouldn't sell many...... Size is another factor. The BJ-200 is much smaller, but the HP is built like a tank. I bet the BJ-200 would get damaged first. Finally, the print quality. I LOVE the BJ-200's resolution. It looks like a good laser quality print. The HP's I've used.....they look like ink. Not as impressive. So, I chose the Canon. Any other opinions?

From: [email protected] (Kenneth Sidhu) Subject: Dimming Incand. Lamps Article-I.D.: kakwa.1993Apr6.221848.6569 Reply-To: [email protected] (Kenneth Sidhu) Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca What's the latest and greatest way to dim incandescent lamps ? March '93 Circuit Cellar has part one of an article about dimming 120VAC lamps, but it seems to lead into phase- control as the best method for controlling brightness. I've always hated phase-control for the RFI, buzzing filaments and non-linear adjustment range. I had heard that you can modulate the AC line on a cycle by cycle basis to get better results. To cut the lamp's power to 50% you would givemsay 20 cycles of AC, then nothing for another 20 cycles. I wonder if anyone has tried this or knows what the pro stuff is using. Any advice is appreciated! Ken email: [email protected]

From: Minh Lang <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.149.109.37 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXDate: Mon, 5 Apr 93 16:17:37 GMT In article <[email protected]> , [email protected] writes: > In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his > troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time > that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to > standards at least as moral as the military's. No, Lt Calley was later acquitted. His troops killed 400-500 people, including kids, elderly and women... I sure don't want to see the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to those "military standards"... If they did, we're all in big trouble...(The My Lai massacre was covered up by high-ranking officials and ALL who were involved were ACQUITTED). == Minh == +------------------------------------------------------------+ Minh Lang, Software Engineer - Jet Propulsion Laboratory Instrumentation Systems Group - Instrumentation section 375 Note: My employer has nothing to do with what I said here... +------------------------------------------------------------+

From: [email protected] (David Veal) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Lines: 40 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ron Miller) writes: >> From: [email protected] (Mark Urbin) >> >> >RM:Just a short thought: >> >When you ask the question of the "authorities" or sponsors of buyback >> >programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer >> >"no, it's total amnesty". > >> Please note that the $50 given for each firearm, in the Boston `buy >> back' will not be in cash, but money orders. How much `total amnesty" can >> you get if you leave paper trail behind? > >In the latest case in Denver, they were giving away tickets to a Denver >Nuggets basketball game. > >How traceable is a money order? (I don't know. Haven't used one in 20 years) Money orders operate pretty much like checks, with both parties being supposed to sign them. I assume you'd have to show the buy-back people an ID, and you'd then have a money order made out to that ID. As far as traceable as a practical matter, I don't know, it would depend on whether they bother to computerize who the recipient's name is on the money order and bother keying that sort of thing in. I'd say certainly the police and the buyback people would keep a record of who they gave money orders out to. >Is that even an issue if the weapons aren't checked for being stolen? There might be some questions asked, I suppose, if somebody brought in a number of weapons each time over a series of "buy back" programs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group [email protected] - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al"

From: [email protected] (Bruce Powell) Subject: Re: ESDI with IDE??? -- Yes it should be Possible, Organization: South East Queensland Electricity Board Lines: 27 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (G Chow) writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Guido Leenders) writes: >>Hi, >> >>Is it possible to use an ESDI-controller with HDD together with an >>IDE-harddisk + controller in one ISA-system? >> >>I've read stuff about secondary controllers. Does this trick work? >> >>Thanx in advance, >> >>Guido >>[email protected] > > I have the same question as Guido. It is possible to use the ESDI drive > as a master and the IDE drive as the slave ? I can definitily say that you can use an RLL as Master and IDE as slave, as I have just upgraded my machine with a 200Mb IDE ( And custom Controller Mdl CI-1010 Extended IDE Controller ) While maintaining my RLL'd Wren as master Drive. The trick is the controller which supports up to 4 IDE Drives while coexisting with existing Controllers ( MFM,RLL,ESDI,SCSI ). So according to the Documentation it should work with ESDI, and I can assure you it works with RLL. Bruce Powell email: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Paul M. Wexelblat) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. (the truth) Keywords: outlet Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept. Lines: 6 I suggest that misc.consumer.house is a better forum for this, several electricians, a huge FAQ that adresses ALL the issues raised here. -- ...Wex

From: [email protected] (jonathan david fields) Subject: Question???? Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? Thanks, Jonathan D. Fields [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Klaus Singvogel) Subject: xswarm enhancement? Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 8 Has anybody the xswarm enhacemened to use it with more than one wasp? Please E-Mail me, because I don't read this group any longer. Thanks in advance, Klaus. --- Klaus Singvogel --- E-Mail: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Pete Young) Subject: Re: For [email protected] (3) - Last Organization: British Telecom X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 23 Nick Pettefar ([email protected]) wrote: : Tsk, tsk, tsk. Another newbie bites the dust, eh? They'll learn. Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag. Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm, wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I assumed you were serious. Mea culpa. Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Pete Young [email protected] Phone +44 473 227151 "Most people prefer entertaining nonsense to unexciting reality"