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From: [email protected] (Victor Laking) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Keywords: video Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 35 [email protected] (Wayne Hooper) writes: > [email protected] (Victor Laking) writes: > > >You are experiencing what is called Macrovision. It is the protection > >that they use on the video tapes. There are two ways around this that I > >know of. First of all, you can try using a different VCR to copy onto. > >It is the input of the VCR that reacts to the protection so sometimes > >just switching the two VCRs around will take care of it. Some models > >just don't react to it. > > Does this also affect the viewing of tapes ? I have had problems with > a couple of rented tapes; they were virtually unviewable. I fiddled > with the tuning, tracking and vertical hold but it was no good. > It sounds like your TV is one of the ones that also reacts to the video protection. (Poor you!) The Macroscrubber from Radio Electronics removes the protection so you souldn't have any more problems. However, if you use the method of copying it from one VCR to another where the second VCR doesn't react to the protection, you will end up with a duplicate tape, including the protection. One thought comes to mind about your problem... When playing the tape for viewing, are you feeding the signal from the source VCR through an extra device before going to the TV? If you feed it through a second VCR first, that is your problem. As to other devices such as converters, I don't know if they would react or not. Just to be safe, you might want to make sure that you have NOTHING between the VCR and TV. [email protected] The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607

From: [email protected] (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 123 /(hudson) /Yes you do. Who is to say that it is immoral for onesself to experience /pain or to be hurt in some other way. Maybe unpleasant, but that doesn't /say anything about morality. It violates free will, Hudson. (me) >You can derive the immorality of hurting someone else entirely from selfish >motives. I can say, for example, that it is wrong to hurt other people >because that makes them less productive members of society. /(hudson) /Why is making someone a less productive member of society immoral? Hudson, you are screwing up again. Morality does not (I say again, DOES NOT) define only "right and wrong". It also defines "acceptable social behavior", without any overtones of good and evil. Picking up your trash is not really a right/wrong moral issue in the eternal sense of Good and Evil. Yet it is moral in the sense that it is acceptable social behavior". Your definition of the word "morality" is what is causing you to trip over yourself here. /(me) /And since />I, selfish being that I am, want to maximize my gains from society, I will />not do anything to another member of society if that action might cut down />on how much benefit I can derive from society. /(hudson) /Why is your benefit somehow related to morality. Again, your definition is causing you to shoot yourself in the foot. /(hudson) /What about if someone feels that their own personal benefit is enhanced /more than it would be damaged by depleting the overall resources of society? /Maybe something might hurt society, but it would help him immensly? That is irrational thinking. There may also be people out there who think that death by atomic destruction is a sublime and wonderful thing. I am not going to let them execute that idea just because they want to do it. Simply because I let people make up their minds about what morals they have doesn't prevent me from spotting and stopping a madman when I see one, Hudson. And even then, I will only stop him when he interferes with me and my life. That is the difference between me and you: you want to interfere in people's lives even when they aren't affecting you. /(hudson) /The central character in Dostoevsky's novel, Crime and Punishment, /(R something or other) reasoned that if killed this old Jewish woman and /stole her money to educate and establish himself financially, he could /make a great contribution to society. He reasoned that she was not of /much profit to society. She just collected rents, and hoarded money. One of the central points of any (that's ANY) moral system is that is has to be internally consistent. By killing her, the character had to accept the premise that the ends justify the means. If he accepted that premise, then (in order to be consistent), he must accept the idea that some day another person may apply the same standard to HIS life. Now, if he is unwilling to accept this premise (which he will not be willing to accept), then he has behaved inconsistently with his own moral standard. /(me) /[football example deleted] /(hudson) /Now suppose a freshman on the bench will only get to play if one of the /players in the field/on the court is injured (or killed.) This freshman /wants to play in the big game so a talent scout can see him. If he hurts /a player on the team, it might slightly lessen the chances of the team to /win, but he might gain great personal benefit. So, operating on purely /selfish (immorally selfish) motives, he arranges for a sniper to shoot a /team player in the leg. He gets to play in front of the talent scout. /Did that freshman behave morally? /Selfish intentions may sometimes generate (apparently) moral actions, but /not always. Two problems right off the bat: 1. The problem with your analogy is that it doesn't address the goal that I started with: winning the game. Playing in front of the talent scout != winning the game. Try creating the same analogy and keep the ultimate goal the same, will you? 2. The internal consistency question is also not addressed: if the freshman wants to do this to other people, then he has to accept the fact that it may happen to him one day. If he is unwilling, then he has violated his own moral standard.

From: [email protected] (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Nntp-Posting-Host: next03wor.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 37 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ilyess Bdira) writes: > > 1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many > of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more > than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? G-d has nothing to do with it. Some of the land was in fact given to the Jews by the United Nations, quite a bit of it was purchased from Arab absentee landlords. Present claims are based on prior ownership (purchase from aforementioned absentee landlords) award by the United Nations in the partition of the Palestine mandate territory, and as the result of defensive wars fought against the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, et al. *** > 2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of > the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? First, I should point out that many Jews do not in fact agree with the idea that the West Bank is theirs. Since, however, I agree with those who claim the West Bank, I think I can answer your question thusly: the West bank was what is called the spoils of war. Hussein ordered the Arab Legion to attack Israel, which was a poor move, seeing as how the Israelis promptly kicked his butt. The territory is therefore forefeit. Retaining possession of ALL of the West bank is not desirable, but it beats national suicide for the Israelis. Put another way, one could ask why it is that so many Palestinians seem to think that Tel-Aviv belongs to them and the future state of Palestine. As long as this state of affairs continues, it seems that to give the Palestinians a place from which they can launch attacks on Jews is a real poor idea. Giving up the entire West Bank would be idiotic froma security standpoint. In addition, there is the small matter of Jerusalem, which is considered to be part of the West Bank. The chances of the Israelis giving up Jerusalem are nil. Even leftists who think Yasser is a really cool dude, like Yossi Sarid, aren't going to propose giving up Jerusalem. If he did, he'd get run out of town on a rail. chag sameach! jeff

Subject: items 4sale, received from a award giving company From: [email protected] (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 23 I participated in a promotion by a company called Visual Images. I attempted to cancel my order before the package arrived. I was not able to stop them and now I have a package which I do not need. Nishika 3D camera, wide angle flesh, film, carring case, instruction tapes, and some jewelrys. 3 vacation vouchers to Bahama, Cancun, Las Vegas, Orlando. I paid $697 for the promotion package, and the vacation vouchers came as gift. I really want to sell them, so make me an offer for the whole package. If you are participating in a award, $697 is how much you would end up paying. And I strongly believe that you would get the same award as I do. If you are interested in those items, you could get them from me for a cheaper price. Let me know, and make me an offer. No flames please, I have got enough. You could reach me at [email protected] Douglas Kou Hiram College

From: [email protected] (Andrew Jacobs) Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1 Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Distribution: usa Lines: 7 Thanks for the info. I assume that this is for MFC 1.0. Does anyone know if this will work with MFC 2.0, or what else needs to be done? Thanks. -- * * - Andy Jacobs * \_____/

From: [email protected] (rathmann,janice e) Subject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy) Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Summary: Headaches and analgesics Lines: 95 I noticed several years ago that when I took analgesics fairly regularly, (motrin at the time), I seemed to get a lot of migraines. But had forgotten about that until I started reading some of the posts here. I generally don't take NSAIDS or Tylenol for headaches, because I've found them to be ineffective. However, I have two other pain sources that force me to take NSAIDS (currently Naprosyn). First, is some pelvic pain that I get at the beginning of my period, and then much worse at midcycle. I have had surgery for endometriosis in the past (~12 years ago), so the Drs. tell me that my pain is probably due to the endometriosis coming back. I've tried Synarel, it reduced the pain while I took it (3 mos), but the pain returned immediately after I stopped. Three doctors have suggested hysterectomy as the only "real solution" to my problem. Although I don't expect to have any more children, I don't like the idea of having my uterus and one remaining ovary removed (the first ovary was removed when I had the surgery for endometriosis). One of the Drs that suggested I get a hysterectomy is an expert in laser surgery, but perhaps thinks that type of procedure is only worthwhile on women who still plan to have children. So basically all I'm left with is toughing out the pain. This would be impossible without Naprosyn (or something similar - but not aspirin, that doesn't work, and Motrin gave me horrible gastritis a few years ago, so I'm through with it). In fact, Naprosyn works very well at eliminating the pain if I take it regularly as I did when I had severe back pain (and pain in both legs) as I'll discuss in a moment. Generally though, I wait until I have the pain before I take the Naprosyn, but then it takes several hours for it reduce the pain (it's actually quite effective at reducing the pain, it just takes quite a while). In the meantime I'm frequently in severe pain. The other pain source I have is chronic lower back pain resulting in bilateral radiculopathy. I've had MRIs, Xrays, CT scan, and EMGs (I've had 2 of them, and don't intend to ever do that again) with nerve conduction tests. The tests have not been conclusive as to what is causing my back and leg pain. The MRI reports both say I have several bulging, degeneratig disks, and from the Xrays (and MRI, I think) it is apparent that I have arthritis. The reading on the CT scan was that there are two herniations (L3-L4, and L4-L5), but others hav looked at the films and concluded that there are no herniations. The second EMG and nerve conduction studies shows significant denervation compared to the first EMG. Oh yeah, I had some other horrible test, called something like Somatic Evoked Response which showed that the "internal nerves" are working fine. Anyway, the bottom line is that I sometimes have severe pain in both legs and back pain. The back pain is there all the time, but I can live with it. When the leg pain is there, I need some analgesic/anti-inflammatory medication to reduce the pain to a level where I can work. So I took Naprosyn regulary for 6-9 months (every time I tried to stop the leg pain got worse, so I'd always resume). Since last November I have taken it much less frequently, and primarily for the pelvic pain. I have been going to physical therapy for the last 8 months (2-3 times a week). After the first month or so, my therapist put me on pelvic traction (she had tried it earlier, but it had caused a lot of pain in my back, this time she tried it at a lower weight). After a month or two, the pain in my legs began going away (but the traction aways caused discomfort in my lower back, which could be reduced with ultrasound and massage). So now, I don't have nearly as much pain in my legs, in fact my therapist took me off traction about 2 weeks ago. Getting back to my original reason for this post... Even if I can avoid taking analgesic for headaches, I really can't avoid them entirely because I have other pain sources, that "force" me to use them (Oh, I forgot to mention that it has been suggested to me that I have back surgery, but I'm avoiding that too). I find the migraines difficult to deal with, occassionally I have to take off work, but usually I can work, but at a reduced capacity (I'm a systems engineer and do a lot of reading and writing). When the pelvic pain is bad, I can't concentrate much, I usually end up jumping out of my chair every few minutes, because the pain is so bothersome. When the pain in my back is bad, it can cause severe burning in both legs, shooting pains in my legs, electric shock type of pain in my feet and toes, and basically when it gets bad I can't really sit at all. Then I end up spending most of my time home and in bed. So even if the analgesics contribute to the migraines, the migraines are more tolerable than the other pain sources. I get a lot of migraines, an average of 3 to 4 a month, which last 1-3 days. I've taken cafergot (the first time the caffiene really got to me so I reduced the dosage), but I don't like the side effects (if I take more than two I get diahrea). If I get a very bad headache, I will eventually take the cafergot. My neurologist wasn't very helpful when I told him my problems with cafergot, he said that when sumatriptan becomes available, I should try that. I've tried several other medications (fiornal, midrin, fiornal with codeine, tegretol, and inderal) but they either didn't work, or I couldn't tolerate them. So what can I do? My doctor's seem to be satisfied with me just trying to tolerate the pain, which I agree with most of the time, but not when I have a lot of pain. I've had some bad experiences with surgery (my heart stopped once from the anesthesia - I was told that it was likely the succinylcholine), and I've already had surgery several times. Anyway, the point of what I'm saying is that even if analgesics can contribute to migraines, some people NEED to take them to tolerate other pain. Janice Rathmann

From: [email protected] (Gary L Dare) Subject: Stan Fischler, 4/16 (Keenan stuff!) Summary: prior to Devils at Islanders Pregame Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: [email protected] (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 30 * The Keenan hiring is precipitated by the loss of an anticipated $5M in playoff revenue and fears of losing season ticket-holders (!), plus Paramount chief Stan Jaffe's chip against the Flyers over l'Affaire Lindros last autumn. Add to this that Neilsen might return as an assistant coach [Gerald, what'd I say earlier today??], and Roger conferred with Jaffe on the hiring. This hiring by Jaffe went over the head of MSG, Inc. (Par. subsidiary) head Bob Gutkowski and over the head and the protests of Pres./GM Neil Smith. * MSG is making the announcement on Saturday to get back at the Islanders for making the playoffs (i.e., steal the press). * Flyers owner Ed Snyder is livid and beside himself over this. * Keenan will make up to $900,000/yr. * Gary Bettman has appointed an independent consul to look at Gil Stein's admission into the Hall of Fame. * New crease colours, rather than blue? * The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > [email protected] GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > [email protected] Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley

From: [email protected] (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Life on Mars??? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 24 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Don Schiewer) writes: >What is the deal with life on Mars? I save the "face" and heard >associated theories. (which sound thin to me) The "face" is an accident of light and shadow. There are many "faces" in landforms on Earth; none is artificial (well, excluding Mount Rushmore and the like...). There is also a smiley face on Mars, and a Kermit The Frog. The question of life in a more mundane sense -- bacteria or the like -- is not quite closed, although the odds are against it, and the most that the more orthodox exobiologists are hoping for now is fossils. There are currently no particular plans to do any further searches for life. >Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian? Mars Observer, currently approaching Mars, will probably try to get a better image or two of the "face" at some point. It's not high priority; nobody takes it very seriously. The shadowed half of the face does not look very face-like, so all it will take is one shot at a different sun angle to ruin the illusion. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | [email protected] utzoo!henry

From: [email protected] (Joe A Noble) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: pogo.den.mmc.com [email protected] (Tim Ciceran) writes: >Chris Herringshaw ([email protected]) wrote: >: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of >: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading >: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 >: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts >: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum >: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? >: Just curious. >: Daemon >What he said... >-- Ditto here too... >TMC >([email protected]) -- __/ / _ __ Joe [email protected] /_ / /__ / /__ /__ / ... all the beauty of a dying vulture... _/ ____/ _/ _/ ___/ _/ _/ ...the smile of the truly stupid...

From: [email protected] (thomas galvin) Subject: Re: Re-Alignnment, Expansion Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey Lines: 33 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Andrew Scott) writes: >In article <[email protected]> nixdorf@etre (Eric Nixdorf) writes: >> >> Looking at the way the divisions were re-aligned, there are six teams each >>in the Central (Norris) and Pacific (Smyth) divisions, while there are seven >>teams each in the Northeast (Adams) and Atlantic (Patrick) divisions. The >>thought occurs to me that inherent in the realignment is expansion of one team >>in the Central division and one team in the Pacific division, although I've >>seen nothing published that indicates that. > >Actually, when the NHL expansion committee was formed a couple of years back >(before the Ottawa and Tampa Bay expansion), John Zeigler stated at the time >that it was the NHL's expansion plan to grow to 28 teams (7 per division) by >the turn of the century. > >-- >Andrew Scott | [email protected] >HP IDACOM Telecom Division | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 > >During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... Last night during a Sharks' broadcast, Commissioner Bettman was interviewed during the first intermission. He made no bones about it, the expansion to 28 is on permanent hold until he is satisfied that the current allotment of 26 are fully stable. This means that cities looking for a club in the foreseeable future will have to wait until one team in some location fails or looks to relocate. This is good, IMO. There's no sense in expanding if it only means more failing franchises are in the mold. -Tom Galvin [email protected]

From: taylor@mail (Tim Taylor) Subject: Re: PKUNZIP2.04g Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP Lines: 12 Organization: Loral Data Systems In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kenneth Palmertree) writes: Hey, Does anyone know of an ftp site where I can get pkunzip2.04g from. I tried using archie with no such luck. This version of pkunzip is suppose to correct some promblems when using pkunzip within windows. Thanks in advance! :-) you can get pk.... from ftp.cica.indiana.edu

From: [email protected] (David Veal) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Lines: 31 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <[email protected]> Thomas Parsli <[email protected]> writes: >NOTE!!! >My posting was in reply to those about FBI torching the plasce after >filling it with napalm, and arrested people dissapering. > >[...] > >About Waco >It looks to me as the BATF and FBI can't handle situations like this. >The way it went reminds me of 'stun' bomb beeing dropped on a house >in LA from a helicopter. (Whole block went up in flames, 5 died...) > >It doesn't HAVE to be a conspiracy, MAYBE they just screwed up ??? I don't think we've got a conspiracy on our hands, or anything vaugely similar. I do think that the Feds showed a distinct lack of both intelligence and disregard for others safety throughout this whole mess. I do think the FBI and the BATF screwed up big. What made me really concerned was FBI director William Sessions being on CNN engaging in what could only be called spin control before the place had even cooled down. Evertyhing had literally blown up in their faces and I felt there had to be something more important he should have been doing... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group [email protected] - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore." - "Weird Al"

From: [email protected] (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 17 [email protected] (Gerald McPherson) writes: > If you reject the claims of Jesus, and still go to > heaven, then the joke's on me. If you reject him and go to hell, > that's no joke, but it will be final. If this is God's attitude, then I'll think I'll go along with Terry Pratchett's religious philosophy: "Oh, I believe in God. I just don't actually _like_ the blighter." P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza

From: [email protected] (Bijan Mobasseri) Subject: Re: Renting from Alamo Organization: Villanova University Lines: 14 >> 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more >>insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he >>didn't rent it from Alamo. >> >>Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? >Unless you have an accident, you won't need more. > >Joe > ================== Let me see, "unless you have an accident, you won't need more", hmmmmmmm. Bijan

From: [email protected] (Steven B Syck) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Article-I.D.: uwm.1qkqdqINNjfk Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Neilson) writes: >[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ] > >> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves >> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is >> imminent. >> >> Steve Heracleous > >You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you >go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good >job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from >me - those kids are mean. As a stong self-defense advocate, you're 'statement', does littel but irk me. Of course shooting someone because they throw a rock at your car is out of the question, but what if they disabled your car with their rock and then wanted to come kill/rape/rob/beat/ or otherwise harm you, your wife, kids? I think you would like the power to defend yourself in this situation, wouldn't you? Or is it that you value the lives of such rock throwers more than your own or those of your family? Don't think it couldn't happen to you. From the sounds of it here it has happened to a few people. Please do not misunderstand. The only justification for using deadly force on someone, is that if you don't, it will mean your own death or grave bodily harm. I am far far away from supporting vilante justice or anything like that.. Oh, and if you mean to be funny, please add the appropriate :-) Followups to talk.politics.guns please... we're getting a bit off track here.... ------- Steve Syck [email protected] --------

From: [email protected] (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Yankee fears. Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu I would e-mail this to you, but my mailserver doesn't recognize you or something. Anyway, the worst pitcher on the Yanks. If you mean currently on the team, then I have to go with Scott "I'm a schizophrenic...No, I'm NOT!" Kamienicki. Sure, occasionally the guy can pitch well for 5 or 6 innings, but then he starts to go insane. A sure sign that he's losing his stuff (and his mind) is when he starts to stalk around the mound between batters and yell at himself. The worst all-time Yanks pitcher? Gotta go with Ed "New York? I have to pitch in [gulp] New York?" Whitson. 'Nuff said! --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan Sepinwall XVIII =========================================================================== | "What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | | too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | | they get too sexually frustrated." | | -Val Kilmer, "Real Genius" | ===========================================================================

Subject: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die From: [email protected] (Russell P. Hughes) Organization: HOG HEAVEN X-Posted-From: InterNews [email protected] Lines: 31 What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs, opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and all went well with my New Hampshire State Inspection (meaning all my lights worked OK) until the dude produces a decibel meter and tells me about the new NH law about MC noise.....huh? sez I....and he has me start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB, and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna be a whole lotta seriously pissed off bikers round here when they go for inspection. *&%^*$%*^*%*& But hey, its a new experience! I have never really felt like a menace to society before! I parked, dismounted and walked in to my building with a slight swagger to my step, and a narrow lidded look... I sensed my faculty colleagues unease with my new intimidating status...and women's glances seemed to linger just a little longer....or perhaps that was my imagination.......*sigh* Now I need to install my new BUB pipes and single fire ignition....I wonder how I will do after that!? Russ Hughes '92 FXSTC DoD# 6022(10E20) "Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something as much as your motorcycle." --Sonny Barger (as told to me by Ed Campbell, who has an old friend who was there at the time)

From: [email protected] (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Lines: 20 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >It seems that conservatives are putting a lot of effort into >showing up the 10% figure, but that really doesn't make a >difference. Like I said, who cares how many there are? Would >the fact that they're only 1% of the population justify >discrimination against them? I don't think so. Uh, well, Golly Gee Whiz. Let me see, when the new President, as his first big "policy act" tries to force homosexuals (acceptance thereof) on the military, despite polls showing a consistent 75%+ against it, and the minority is only 1%, well, gee, I sure think that is newsworthy. Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)

From: [email protected] (Gillian E Runcie CS92) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: fleming-07.cs.strath.ac.uk being a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly ooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and bend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped off near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to replace. gillian

From: [email protected] (Dan Church) Subject: *** Lots of CDs For Sale! *** Article-I.D.: nmt.1993Apr19.213217.15250 Distribution: na Organization: New Mexico Tech Lines: 43 I have a lot of CDs for sale. Prices are $7 per CD and $3 per CD Single. CDs are noted by (CD) and CD Singles by (CDS). Please include $1 extra per CD for s/h costs. IF you want to buy a lot of them, then we'll work out a deal with the shipping costs! Type Group Title --------------------------------------------- CDS Boys to Men Motown Philly CDS C & C Music Factory Keep it Comin' CDS Moby Go (Remixes) CDS Quadrophonia Schizophrenia CDS Swing Out Sister Not Gonna Change CDS Recoil Faith Healer CDS Seal The Beginning CDS Transvision Vamp Tranvision Vamp CDS C & C Music Factory Gonna Make U Sweat CDS Nitzer Ebb Godhead CDS Roxette How Do You Do! CDS B-52's Good Stuff CDS Duran Duran Violence of Summer CDS Nitzer Ebb AS IS CDS Vanessa Williams Running Back to You CD Seal SEAL CD LFO Frequencies CD Morissey Kill Uncle CD Underworld Change the Weather CD Jody Watley You Wanna Dance With Me? CD Dead or Alive Fan the Flame CD Transvision Vamp Velveteen CD Adam Ant Manners & Physique CD Fine Young Cannibals The Raw & the Remix CD Black Box Dreamland CD Civilles & Cole Greatest Remixes Vol. 1 CD Black Box Mixed Up! CD Scorpions The Best of Rockers & Ballads CD A & M Underground Dance Jam Harder -- Dan Church | Quote -> "Only God can make a tree, but it took a man Box 3268 CS | <- Mail to invent dwarf tossing!" Socorro, NM 87801 | Email -> [email protected] - E. Hobbs

From: [email protected] (Shazad Barlas) Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 5 I just wanted to know: To wheelspin in an auto, you keep the gear in N - gas it - then stick the gear in D... I've never tried this but am sure it works - but does this screw up the autobox? We're having a bit of a debate about it here...

From: [email protected] (David Nye) Subject: Re: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!! Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 21 [reply to [email protected] (Keith Stewart)] >My wife has become interested through an acquaintance in Post-Polio >Syndrome This apparently is not recognised in New Zealand and different >symptons ( eg chest complaints) are treated separately. Does anone have >any information on it It would help if you (and anyone else asking for medical information on some subject) could ask specific questions, as no one is likely to type in a textbook chapter covering all aspects of the subject. If you are looking for a comprehensive review, ask your local hospital librarian. Most are happy to help with a request of this sort. Briefly, this is a condition in which patients who have significant residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the weakness as they get older. One theory is that the remaining motor neurons have to work harder and so die sooner. David Nye ([email protected]). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell

Subject: Wanted restaurant equipment From: [email protected] (Shailesh M. Potnis) Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center Nntp-Posting-Host: cathedral.cerc.wvu.edu Lines: 17 Wanted restaurant equipment for starting a new restaurant 1) 4-6 Burner Stove 2) Hot Plate 3) Fryer 4) Stainless Steel tables, Shelves etc 5) Pots n Pans and a number of other items If interested, pl. email Shailesh -- Shailesh Potnis, Associate |Concurrent Engineering Research Member of Technical Staff |Center, West Virginia University

From: [email protected] (Orion Bernard Yurgionas) Subject: INDIANA JONES HINT BOOK WANTED Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Looking for hint book for indiana jones and the last crusade the game is for the ibm.e-mail me or call 481 3740 and ask for orion. if you don't have the hint book but know how to answer these questions plao. 1.how do you beat biff. 2.how do you open the valt door. 3.how do you knock out the security system.

Subject: Is it really apples to apples? (Lawful vs. unlawful use of guns) From: [email protected] (John Kim) Distribution: world Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 30 I have been convinced of the right of AMericans to an effective self-defense, but something strikes me as odd among the pro-RKBA arguments presented here. The numbers comparing hundreds of thousands (indeed, even a million) of instances of law abiding citizens deterring criminal activity, seem valid to me. Likewise the number of gun-caused homicides each year (about 11,000/year?). However, it is surprising that the "Evil AntiGun Empire " (Darth Vader breathing sound effect here) never tries to compare "All legitimate gun defenses" vs. "All gun crimes." Instead, it's always "All legitimate gun defenses," which includes cases in which the criminals are shot but not killed, and cases in which the criminal is not here, vs. just criminal gun homicides, which only includes case sin which the victim died. Why is this? Of course, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that in each crime already measured (involving guns), the consequnces are already known and it is safe to assume that a gun-based bank robbery last week will not suddenly turn into a gun-basd robbery+homicide. Whereas in the legitimate gun defenses, one may assume that all those criminals who were deterred would have committed more crime or more serious crimes had they not been deterred. -Case Kim [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Onur Yalcin) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 28 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Onur Yalcin) writes: >OY] ...[deleted]... >OY] >OY] If you are really interested, I can provide you with a number of references >OY] on the issue. Just send me EMail for that. > > You think I am that STUPID to ask you for REFERENCES ! NOT ! > I have many GREEK friends that I could ask for the INFO if I > needed. I have already read many articles and DO NOT need > your help. Boy, how generous !! > There is a very narrow margin of stupidity between accepting my references and those of the Greeks, and you just said you'd rather do the latter! That's fine with me. I was sincere in my offer, but this saves me the effort. It doesn't take a half-brained man to go to any library and check out a bunch of sources of decent objectivity. Just ask a good friend for help. !:-) "Stay on these roads," Onur Yalcin -- Onur Yalcin [email protected] "Un punto in piu`"

From: [email protected] (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Marc A Afifi) writes: |> Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the |> Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the |> hostile occupiers in WWII. Actually, this is incorrect. French resistance may have played some part in hindering the German war effort, however the crucial role was supplied on D-Day. |> Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the |> Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the |> only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving |> out the US) Interesting statement. Especially when you consider that Lebanon had claimed to have made progress in the peace talks, as well as Israel. Of course, one of the prime obstacles to Israel's complete withdrawal is the lack of governmental control that can be applied to the area as well as the large presence of Syrian forces which have not been asked to withdraw as well. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA |

From: [email protected] (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS) Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. Organization: The San Jose, California, Home for Perverted Hackers Lines: 10 [email protected] (Andrew Infante) writes: >Since the occurance, I've paid many >dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, >and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous >assholes like yourself that think your SO above the >rest of the world because you've never had your >own little DD suaree. "The devil made me do it!"

From: [email protected] (Doug Acker) Subject: Re: build X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (Aix 3.2.3e) Organization: western geophysical exploration products Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT >>>>> On 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Acker) said: Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com I am having a big problem trying to build MIT X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (the one bundled with AIX 3.2.3e). Its almost the linker is not working properly with shared libraries. I've built X11R5 with no problem before .. but now its all headaches. For example, the xset client complains that libXmu doesnt have a bunch of Xt routines and shr.o is missing (or something like that). The build of libXmu DOES link in libXt so I am really perplexed what is going on. ....following up on this, the specific error I get is: Could not load program ./xset Symbol XtVaSetValues in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtName in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtWindowOfObject in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtGetConstraintResourceList in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtDisplayToApplicationContext in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtAppSetTypeConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtScreenDatabase in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtResolvePathname in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtCvtStringToFont in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtCallConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtDisplayStringConversionWarning in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Could not load library libXmu.a[shr.o] Error was: Exec format error -- Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : [email protected] \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128

From: [email protected] (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 16 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >>I'd be inclined to make the prize somewhat larger, but $1G might be enough. > >this all sounds like that Indecent Proposal movie. wouldn't there be >a lot of people that would try this with little hope of working just >to get the dough? if you have a 1:100 chance and it costs you $10Mil, >then you might pay some stooge a few grand to be your lucky hero. >just send up a few dozen and 1 is bound to survive enough to make YOU >rich. Any prize like this is going to need to be worded carefully enough that you cannot get it without demonstrating sustained and reliable capability, rather than a lucky one-shot. It can be done. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | [email protected] utzoo!henry

From: [email protected] (john.r.miller) Subject: Humminbird Depth Sounder forsale Keywords: sale depth Article-I.D.: cbnews.1993Apr6.173100.11729 Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Lines: 34 Hi, I have a Humminbird HDR200 Depth Sounder for sale. It has been used for 1 season on my sailboat. All parts are included as well as the installation instructions. It is even packed in the original box it came in. There is no damage to the unit or the transducer. In fact, the transducer was mounted *inside* the hull in a piece of pipe glued to the hull. So it led a "sheltered" life. The transducer can be mounted either inside the hull as I did, or on the transom. It cannot be placed in a hole drilled into your hull. It is fully waterproof and fits into a 2" hole in a bulkhead (that's where I had it installed) or into a standard dashboard on a powerboat. It reads depth to 199' and has a backlit LCD display. It has an adjustable shallow water alarm built in. I am changing out my instruments to another manufacturer that outputs the NMEA 0183 information. This little depth sounder works fine and is very stable. It is usually priced as low as 130$ in some catalogs, I paid 150$. The first 80$ takes it, or best offer. John R. Miller Catalina 22, #4909 "Tinker Toy"

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: Macquarie University, Australia. Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Originator: [email protected] In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (ghhwang) writes: > >Dear friend, > The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has >small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >computer architecture for more information about RISC. hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not as orthogonal is CISC. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Some people say it's fun, but I think it's very serious. | | [email protected] | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: [email protected] (Ron Morris ) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In <[email protected].>, [email protected] (David Vergolini) writes... > The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs. All you Toronto fans have now seen the >power of the mighty Red Wing offense. Toronto's defense in no match for the >Wing offense. As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out >hitting hard. Toronto players were being thrown left and right. Not even >Wendell Clark was tough enough for the Wings tough guys. The Wings only gave >up three goals, a low total for what they say is a mediocre defense. > All you Leaf fans better speak up now. You team will probable have its >season ended soon. Wings fans, keep up the support. There's quite a few Wings fans lurking about here, they just tend to be low key and thoughtful rather than woofers. I suppose every family must have a Roger Clinton, though. But remember (to paraphrase one of my favorite Star Trek lines), "if we adopt the ways of the Leaf fans, we are as bad as the Leaf fans". Ron ********** "And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal with new problems." ... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93

From: [email protected] (Tim Rolfe) Subject: Re: What did Lazarus smell like? Lines: 15 In the discussion as to why Jesus spoke aloud the "Lazarus, come out", I'm surprised that no one has noticed the verse immediately preceeding. Jn 12:41 "Father, I thank you for listening to me, though I knew that you always listen to me. But I have said this for the sake of the people that are standing around me that they may believe that you have made my your messenger." (Goodspeed translation) My guess is that the "Lazarus, come out!" was also for the sake of the crowd. -- --- Tim Rolfe [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Darren Reiniger) Subject: MLB logos: Part 3 Summary: National League East posted Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 10 I have posted the logos of the NL East teams to alt.binaries.pictures.misc Hopefully, I'll finish the series up next week with the NL West. Darren -- Darren Reiniger [email protected] || [email protected] Centre For Marine Geology, Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., Canada | People who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves | | where it came from in the first place. |

From: [email protected] (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Free Moral Agency and Kent S. Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 19 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Tammy R Healy) wrote: > At the time Ezekiel was written, Israel was in apostacy again and if I'm not > mistaken, Tyre was about to make war on Israel. Like I said, the Prince of > Tyre was the human ruler of Tyre. He was a wicked man. By calling Satan > the King of Tyre, Ezekiel was saying that Satan is the real ruler over Tyre. Tammy, is this all explicitly stated in the bible, or do you assume that you know that Ezekiel indirectly mentioned? It could have been another metaphor, for instance Ezekiel was mad at his landlord, so he talked about him when he wrote about the prince of Tyre. Sorry, but my interpretation is more mundane, Ezekiel wrote about the prince of Tyre when we wrote about the prince of Tyre. Cheers, Kent --- [email protected]. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.

From: [email protected] (Free Radical) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: damon.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U Distribution: alt Lines: 21 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (douglas craig holland) writes: [...] > With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just >call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions >from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from >TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. I don't know about classified, but I do seem to remember that unless you're authorized by the Govt, it's illegal to TEMPEST-shield your equipment. Besides, effective TEMPEST-shielding is much more difficult than you might think (hi Jim!). RA [email protected] (Rogue Agent/SoD!) ----------------------------------- The NSA is now funding research not only in cryptography, but in all areas of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new research opportunities, just pick up your phone, call your mother, and ask for one.

From: [email protected] (Marida Ignacio) Subject: Refusing Divine Peace and Alive Prayer? (was Re: Question about Mary) Organization: trunking_fixed Lines: 147 It's like refusing 'God's kingdom come'. In one of Jesus' revelation in this century, "...same thing as in the old days. People refuse to believe my messengers. Even when I was alive here on earth, they refuse Me. What more when I am just talking through somebody else?" (paraphrased). With all the knowledge believers accumulated, He would think that we would be 'enlightened' enough to detect which ones are 'authentic and divine' as opposed to 'evil or man-made'. These signs, these miracles, are you afraid that they are not from God? That these are the signs we should not open our hearts and mind to for thinking they are evil? Well, is faith in God evil? Is true peace evil? Is true love that is divine and pure evil? Why can't someone accept that God can do what He wants in fulfillment of His generous love and Jesus' never ending forgiveness to those who turn back to Him for salvation? Why are we refusing God's messenger of this truth? The mother to all who are in Christ? What brings us these: fears of being shamed by what others will think or say about us? which, in contrary, could be pleasing to God? fears of being humbled? fears of being judged as wrong (wrt mainstream standard of what is right)? Why can't we tolerate non-believers' mockery or ridicule of us for the sake of peace, love and obedience to God? The humbling lessons left to us by martyrs and saints? We'd rather engage in never-ending bickering and disproof of each other's opinion - looking at each other's mistakes - for the sake of arguments, instead of having communion in one body with Christ. What makes us go blind to the truth that God is All Powerful and that He can not be binded by what people wrote and have written about Him in all ages? Why is our faith in God limited? By all the words and literature we muster? What prevents us from going *beyond* being saved and extend God's rich love to others who are not? Why are our eyes not wide open to see that He continuously sees our faith, hope and love which glorify Him and so He gives us indications of His acknowledgements with signs/miracles (ordinary/common or divinely inspired) everywhere? Isn't that like an atheist/agnostic's view that all these are just ordinary here on earth and not caused by anything supernatural? Why then does the Holy Mother comes back to remind us: "We must really __accept that prayer__ changes the course of things and that with prayers __even wars can be prevented__." but then she continues: "You often have an egotistic attitude. Dear children, in these days you have prayed very much, __but your hands have remained empty__." Why hesitate in proclaiming what needs to be done: "prayer, conversion, peace, penance, fasting, the Holy Mass, living life as what the Gospel brings."? Why not do so? How? To the world? To this, the Mother says: "Start in your family. Be a good example. Live the Word." Why worry if it is going to be of good use to many? Our Holy Mother says: "The fruits, __leave them to the Lord__, do not worry about anything or anyone but entrust yourself to the Lord." Although the Holy Mother does not insist because: "You are free; I bow before the freedom which God gives you." but she follows this with: "You are surprised because I say to you: Decide for God and yet, see how you have lived this day." Why does she constantly conveys: "Take this life toward God in the way as to __experience__ the Lord Himself in your __behavior__ and __not only__ when you pray" or one time when we decide that we are saved, or talk/write about God, etc. The Holy Mother warns: "Satan (the serpent) is always trying to dissuade you to turn you away from my peace plan and prayer." (Rev 12:17, the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offsprings, those who keep God's commandments, and bear witness to Jesus.) Do you have fear or hate for God's current messenger of true peace, love and our motherly protector from the anti-Christ? The one who is being apprehensive of communism, wars, famine and other evils that the serpent brings upon us? This obedient and blessed new Eve? The mother who warns us so we can be prepared and be strong against Satan? Haven't there been renewed faith, hope, love, peace and obedience wherever this messenger has shared her blessings and graces that God has given her in good purpose? Why do we choose to be blind? Why fear the truth that God has been giving us a chance and sharing Christ's ever-forgetting forgiveness to us through the obedient mother? The mother who has been consecrated the task __to reverse__ the disobedient harm and example done by the ancient Eve. She has been preparing the new Eden with her Immaculate Heart. The new Eden as sanctuary (the womb) for the next coming and judgement of the righteous by our Lord, Jesus Christ; when The Lamb marries His bride. Shouldn't we give her a hand in her exhaustive job of preparing us for the second coming of her Son as she has been conceived without sin to bear the Son of God in her womb? Why fear true peace, love and renewed faith and obedience to God that Mary faithfully brings to God's children? She has been protecting the flock (the rest of the offsprings) from the greedy dragon so as to present more righteous members for her Son's coming. Not all apparitions and miracles that resulted from them are worthy of belief. With prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit and, of course, approval of our Church authorities, we should be aware of the true and divinely inspired ones; specifically, the ones which aligns with the Scripture. Also, our Lady reminds us of recommendation of __silence__ in our prayers: "If you speak unceasingly in your prayers, how will you be able to hear God? Allow Him room to answer you, to speak to you." She encourages us (with motherly nurturing) to continue in exuberant faith, hope and love to Jesus, constantly. NOT with mere emotions, but with deep, constant obedience to Jesus, her Beloved Son and acknowledgement of our need to have Him as part of our lives. Let's not wait to the last minute to renew our faith and the life that God wants us to live; when there won't be enough time or when it will be late. Nowadays, Mary says, "Pray, pray, pray for peace...reconciliation, my children." Have peace within yourself first before you can promote peace to others. For without peace, you can not fully accept my Son." And you think she's just an ordinary lady. Not to me. She's our good Mother/messenger from God and she is so nice enough to share God's kingdom to us through her Son and experience it. With Mary, we are assured that The Lamb always succeeds. ----- Note: All enclosed in quotes are from "Latest News of Medjugorje" Number 10, June, 1991 by Fr. Rene' Laurentin. ----- O, new Mother of Eden, Most Pure Preparing the sanctuary for true christians Cleansing us with peace for God's kingdom come Bring us to your loving, protective and obedient Church That we may belong in one Body to your Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord And not go astray from His perfect completeness Pray that we ourselves pray with the Holy Spirit guiding us So that we may help you in strength to conquer the enemies of your Son while you prepare us for Him with your Immaculate Heart.

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From: [email protected] (Martin John Gregory) Subject: HELP: MC146818A Real Time Clock Standby Mode Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide) Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: flash.pax.tpa.com.au I am having trouble obtaining the specified standby current drain from a MC146818A Real Time Clock. Has anyone out there had some experience in doing this? The specs call for a few sequences to be met before standby mode is activated, and are a bit hard to decipher on that, but I thought that I had it worked out. However, with a 32kHz crystal the lowest current drain I can acheive at 3.7V Vcc is 150uA. This is three times the specified MAXIMUM under the conditions I am attempting to create. I have done the following things: 1) Made sure that RESET/ is asserted for Trlh after powerup, and AS is low during this time. 2) Made sure that there is a cycle on AS after the negation of RD/ or WR/ during which STBY/ was asserted. What am I doing wrong? Thanks very much, Martin.

From: [email protected] (Ken Banner) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 51 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Allen Koberg) writes: >.....................................................There is dis- >crepancy even among charismatic organizations as to the proper use >of tongues. Be it revelatory with interpretation, for prayer use, >or for signifying believers (which I doubt since any one can do it). >Pentecostals (Assembly of God, Church of Christ), seem to espouse all >three. Neo-pentecostals tend to view prayer use and as a sign as the >uses. Speaking in tongues during a service is not usually done by >neo-pentecostals because for the most part, they still attend Protestant >churches. Non-denominational churches seem to view the use as a sign >as merely optional, but recommended. Koberg, Just a couple of minor corrections here... 1) The Churches of Christ do not usually believe in speaking in tongues, in fact many of them are known for being strongly opposed to Pentecostal teaching. You are probably thinking of Church of God in Christ, the largest African-American Pentecostal denomination. 2) I'm not sure what you mean by "signifying believers" but it should be pointed out that the Assemblies of God does not now, nor has it ever, held that speaking in tongues is the sign that one is a Christian. The doctrine that traditional Pentecostals (including the A/G) maintain is that speaking in tongues is the sign of a second experience after becoming a Christian in which one is "Baptized in the Holy Spirit" That may be what you were referring to, but I point this out because Pentecostals are frequently labeled as believing that you have to speak in tongues in order to be a Christian. Such a position is only held by some groups and not the majority of Pentecostals. Many Pentecostals will quote the passage in Mark 16 about "these signs following them that believe" but they generally do not interpret this as meaning if you don't pactice the signs you aren't "saved". 3) I know it's hard to summarize the beliefs of a movement that has such diversity, but I think you've made some pretty big generalizations here. Do "Neo-Pentecostals" only believe in tongues as a sign and tongues as prayer but NOT tongues as revelatory with a message? I've never heard of that before. In fact I would have characterized them as believing the same as Pentecostals except less likely to see tongues as a sign of Spirit Baptism. Also, while neo-Pentecostals may not be inclined to speak in tongues in the non-Pentecostal churches they attend, they do have their own meetings and, in many cases, a whole church will be charismatic. Ken Banner Dept. of Religious Studies University of Pennsylvania [email protected]

From: [email protected] (The_Doge) Subject: What we can learn from the Waco wackos Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: usa Lines: 34 There are actually a few important things we can glean from this mess: 1) When they start getting desperate for an answer to the question: "What's it all about. Mr. Natural?", pinkboys will buy darn near *anything*, which means: 2) There's still plenty of $$$$ to be made in the False Jesus business by enterprising SubGenii. Just remember that: 3) Once you've separated the pinks from their green, don't blow it all on automatic weapons from Mexico. Put it in a Swiss bank account. Smile a lot. Have your flunkies hand out flowers in airports. The Con will just shrug you off as long as: 4) You never, never, NEVER start to believe your own bulldada! If "David Koresh" hand't started swallowing his own "apocalypso now" crap, he'd be working crossword puzzles in the Bahamas today instead of contributing to the mulch layer in Waco. This is because: 5) When you start shooting at cops, they're likely to shoot back. And most of 'em are better shots than you are. In short: - P.T. Barnum was right and - Stupidity is self-correcting Thus endeth the lesson. ************************************************************ * The_Doge of South St. Louis * * Dobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm) * * "One Step Beyond" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm * * 88.1 FM St. Louis Community Radio * * "You'll pay to know what you *really* think!" * * -- J.R. "Bob" Dobbs" * ************************************************************

From: [email protected] (Michael Antolovich) Subject: Re: Torx T-15 Screwdriver Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia Lines: 18 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: > >A while ago when I owned a Plus and wanted to upgrade its memory, I just ordered >the toolkit from Macwarehouse for something like $9. It included an anti-static >wrist strap, the clamp used to split the clamshell case, and the Torx >screwdriver. They might not be selling it anymore, but give 'em (and any other >company that sells memory upgrades suitable for a Plus-style box) a call. I'll >bet that they still offer the kit. Next day air is usually the shipping method >used, too! I'm told that some of these companies often sell a plastic, throw away after one use, version of the Torx driver, so ask before you buy... Michael -- ________________________________________________________________ \ Michael Antolovich in Wagga Wagga, a great place to be be... / \ [email protected] OR [email protected] / \__________________________________________________________/

From: [email protected] (Emile Woo) Subject: Help! - Disappearing Groups!!! Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Salutations! I don't usually subscribe to these newsgroups so I would really appreciate it if someone could possibly e-mail me the answer to my problem. I have been using Windows 3.1 since buying it last winter but I have just now come across an annoying bug. I now have about 8 different groups in program manager but it seems that everytime I install something new that makes a new group, it promptly disappears after I turn of windows! This happened when I installed Excel and WinFax Pro v.3. They both created their own groups but when I turned off windows and reran them, they were gone. I had to manually pull them up as new items and put them in a previously existing group as all new gropus disappear as soon as I turn off windows. my set up: precision 386dx-25 w/ 4 megs Trident 8900c with 1 meg Windows 3.1 running in 800x600 colour mode logitech mouseman Thank you in advance! Emile Woo [email protected] -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emile Woo, Student Representative to Senate | .sig unavailable. Holding Internet: [email protected] | referendum to decide politic- Tel: 822-6101 | ally correct witticism.

From: [email protected] (David Horton) Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.10.249.26 Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas Lines: 27 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Kantrowitz) writes: > >From: [email protected] (Pushpinder Singh) >Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 03:17:45 GMT > >> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, >> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines >> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open >> windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a >> window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away >> the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not >> observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple >> monitor with 256 colors is used. >> >> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has >> been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. > >etc. > >Has anyone NOT had these problems in the given configurations? >(that would help eliminate design flaw as the explanation) As a data point, I'm using a Centris 610 4/80 with the Apple 16" monitor and do NOT have these problems. DCH

From: [email protected] (stockman harlan w) Subject: hp2xx for DOS Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 3 Is there a precompiled version of hp2xx for DOS out there - prefereably for 386/486?

From: [email protected] (Steven N Gaudino) Subject: Hard Drive for sale! Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 6 I had posted this before, but the buyer fell through, so here goes again.... Western Digital Caviar 2200, 212 meg IDE HD, 3.5 inch drive. Has built in cache (I believe it's 64k, but I'm not positive). Still in unopened, original static bag. Asking $275, obo.

From: [email protected] (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Brent Irvine) writes: > >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day > >> in Texas. > >Do YOU eat all your food cold? > Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. > Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. And they work especially well when the Feds have cut off your utilities. -- [email protected] --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR [email protected] write today for my special Investors' Packet...

From: [email protected] (David A. Braun) Subject: Wrecked BMW Originator: dab@necs Nntp-Posting-Host: necs Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA Distribution: na Lines: 13 Do you or does anyone you know have a wrecked 1981 or later R80(anything) or R100(anything) that they are interested in getting rid of? I need a motor, but will buy a whole bike. email replies to: [email protected] or: [email protected] or phone: 303/223-5100 x9487 (voice mail) 303/229-0952 (home)

From: [email protected] (Francis Ho) Subject: 286 Laptop Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 18 MITSBISHI Laptop (MP 286L) -286/12 (12,8,6 MHz switchable) -2M RAM installed -Backlit CGA (Ext. CGA, MGA) -20M 3.5"HH HDD/1.44M 3.5" FDD -2 COM/1 LPT ports -complete manual set -Built like a tank -Excellent cosmetic cond. -dark gray -used very lightly Problems: (1)HDD stops working. (2)LCD sometimes doesn't work (ext. CAG/MGA works). Best Offer.

From: [email protected] (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 38 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) wrote: > Jeff Fenholt claims to have once been a roadie for Black Sabbath. > He was never ever a musician in the band. He was in St. Louis several > months back. The poster I saw at the Christian bookstore I frequent > really turned me off. It was addressed to all "Homosexuals, prostitutes, > drug addicts, alcoholics, and headbangers..." or something like that. > > Well, if I showed up with my long hair and black leather jacket I > would have felt a little pre-judged. I have seen Jeff Fenholt speak and I didn't find him judgemental. I think that the wording for that add was certainly inappropriate, but I think they were trying to say that headbangers would like the program. But I would NOT put headbangers in the same class as alcholics, etc. it is condescending. And I believe that Jeff was wearing black when I saw him. By the way, Fenholt played Jesus in Jesus Christ Superstar. Personally, I'm a headbanger at times too, but I have a hard time with what most of the secular metal groups promote. Free sex and drugs (my opinion that many promote these) aren't my thing. I HAVE found several good Christian metal groups that I like. Jon ------------------------------------------------ Jon Ogden - [email protected] Motorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division Voice: 708-632-2521 Data: 708-632-6086 ------------------------------------------------ They drew a circle and shut him out. Heretic, Rebel, a thing to flout. But Love and I had the wit to win; We drew a circle and took him in.

From: Sean McMains <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? X-Xxmessage-Id: <[email protected]> X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17: 49:34 GMT Organization: University of North Texas X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 23 In article <[email protected]> Ricardo Hernandez Muchado, [email protected] writes: > And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is >a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something >like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the 68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly dynamic material. ======================================================================== Sean McMains | Check out the Gopher | Phone:817.565.2039 University of North Texas | New Bands Info server | Fax :817.565.4060 P.O. Box 13495 | at seanmac.acs.unt.edu | E-Mail: Denton TX 76203 | | [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Malcusco) Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me. Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 56 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > Religious people are threatened by science because it has been systematically >removing the physical "proofs" of God's existence. As time goes on we have to >rely more and more on faith and the spiritual world to relate to God becuase >science is removing our props. I don't think this is a bad thing. > First of all, I resent your assumption that you know why I am threatened by science, or even that I am threatened at all, although I admit the latter. The reason I am threatened by Science has nothing to do with my need for proof of my Lord's existence-- God reveals Himself in many ways, including, to some degree, Science. My problem with Science is that often it allows us to assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us with the ability to produce life through sexual relations, for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone. Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power to decide who should and should not be able to have children? Should men be allowed to have babies, if that is made possible. People have always had the ability to end lives unnaturally, and soon may have the ability to bring lives into the world unnaturally. The closest thing to artificially created life is artificially created death, and as God has reserved judgement about when people should die to Himself, I believe we should rely on God's wisdom about how people should be brought in to the world. This is not to say that I reject all forms of medical treatment, however. Treatment that alleviates pain, or prevents pain from occuring, is perfectly acceptable, I believe, as it was acceptable for Jesus to cure the sick. However, treatment that merely prolongs life for no reason, or makes unnecessary alterations to the body for mere aesthetic purposes, go too far. Are we not happy with the beauty God gave us? I cannot draw a solid line regarding where I would approve of Scientific study, and where I would not, but I will say this: Before one experiments with the universe to find out all its secrets, one should ask why they want this knowledge. Before one alters the body they have been given, they should ask themseles why their body is not satisfactory too them as it is. I cannot make any general rules that will cover all the cases, but I will say that each person should pray for guidance when trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and should cease their unravelling if they have reason to believe their search is displeasing to God. ---Malcusco

From: [email protected] (Tim Channon) Subject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet? Reply-To: [email protected] Distribution: world X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $ Organization: null Lines: 53 Here is a different viewpoint. > FYI: The actual horizontal dot placement resoution of an HP > deskjet is 1/600th inch. The electronics and dynamics of the ink > cartridge, however, limit you to generating dots at 300 per inch. > On almost any paper, the ink wicks more than 1/300th inch anyway. > > The method of depositing and fusing toner of a laster printer > results in much less spread than ink drop technology. In practice there is little difference in quality but more care is needed with inkjet because smudges etc. can happen. > It doesn't take much investigation to see that the mechanical and > electronic complement of a laser printer is more complex than > inexpensive ink jet printers. Recall also that laser printers > offer a much higher throughput: 10 ppm for a laser versus about 1 > ppm for an ink jet printer. A cheap laser printer does not manage that sort of throughput and on top of that how long does the _first_ sheet take to print? Inkjets are faster than you say and in both cases the computer often has trouble keeping up with the printer. (I have a 486/33 and a lot of drivers cannot keep up with the printer) A sage said to me: "Do you want one copy or lots of copies?", "One", "Inkjet". > Something else to think about is the cost of consumables over the > life of the printer. A 3000 page yield toner cartridge is about > $US 75-80 at discount while HP high capacity (~500-1000 page yield) > cartridges are about $US 22 at discount. It could be that over the > life cycle of the printer that consumables for laser printers are > less than ink jet printers. It is getting progressively closer > between the two technologies. Laser printers are usually desinged > for higher duty cycles in pages per month and longer product > replacement cycles. Paper cost is the same and both can use refills. Long term the laserprinter will need some expensive replacement parts (consumables) and on top of that are the amortisation costs which favour the lowest purchase cost printer. HP inkjets understand PCL so in many cases a laserjet driver will work if the software package has no inkjet driver. There is one wild difference between the two printers: a laserprinter is a page printer whilst an inkjet is a line printer. This means that a laserprinter can rotate graphic images whilst an inkjet cannot. Few drivers actually use this facility. (there is also the matter of downloadable fonts and so on) TC. E-mail: [email protected] or [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: What's in a name?: the sequel Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 57 I've been thinking about the idea that was raised (by Michael Covington, I think) that words mean what we think they mean, regardless of etymology. I've been reflecting on what certain words meant in my childhood and tracing how this shaped some of my attitudes. I grew up in a home where Christ was a bad word. People who were very angry said it. The word Christian meant someone who was not a Jew. It carried connotations of otherness, of threat, of enemy. It took some time to figure out that there was a connection between `Christ' and `Christian'. When I accepted Jesus, I expected to be disowned. To become a Christian meant to join the enemy. I knew others would consider me a traitor. At some level, I agreed, but was still prepared to pay this price. Like Esau, I sold my birthright. However, I made a better bargain. He only got some stew, but I got the incomparable riches of knowing Christ. As it turned out, my parents did not disown me. I found out later that they were hoping it was a phase that I would grow out of. By the time they had decided it wasn't a phase, they were sort of used to it. They didn't disown me but they didn't completely accept the situation either. For example, they didn't come to my wedding because it was in a church. When I visited my grandmother in the hospital a few days before her death, she said to me, "As far as I'm concerned, you still are a Jew." What she meant was that she loved me and forgave me. But I am not a Jew. I am a Christian. (I'll concede, one that likes chicken soup with matzoh balls.:-)) I do not keep kosher. I do not celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday. My sons are not circumcised. But these things are true of some people who do consider themselves Jews. It is not these rules that make people Jews; it is the heritage from the past. I gave up the past. This is why I find it hard to relate to Messianic Jews. Their experience is unlike mine. They still consider themselves Jews while following Jesus. Some would even say that I *must* do so, too. I am at a stage of my life now where I would like to have a heritage. It was not something I valued very much when I gave it. But I did have a sense that I was giving it for God. It may have been a small sacrifice. It may have been an unnecessary sacrifice. But I gave it and do not want to ask for it back. And while I don't have the heritage I was born with, I do have another. I am an outcast from the house of Israel, but I am a member of the Church. One of the things I like about being a Catholic Christian is that it is rich in tradition. It gives me a feeling of, once again, being rooted in the past. This is probably one of the reasons why I don't like it when people mess around with Christian traditions (for example, changing the name of Easter). These traditions fill an important emotional need of mine. I suppose the point of all this is that people shouldn't assume that all believers of Jewish background are the same. For some `Jewish Christian' is a good name, for others it is an oxymoron. Jayne Kulikauskas/[email protected]

From: [email protected] (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the "lottery"...Clinton GST? Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 29 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: > >This country is hardly ruined. In fact, it is booming compared to after the >1980 election. > >This whole "USA has gone to hell and Reagan/Bush caused it", is not only lame, >pathetic, and old....... it's wrong. > >Under Reagan/Bush the economy grew by 1.1 trillion dollars. This is more than >the entire economy of Germany, a "kind, gentle" country, in many peoples' >books. What a joke. Drive down to Cincinnati and take a look. Not pretty, is it? Things were much better there in 1980. All that growth went into the hands of Ron and Georgie's pals, and I DIDN'T GET A SINGLE DIME OF IT, DAMMIT. And, now, I'm gonna be bled to death by tax leeches to pay for the damage. F***ing great. Oh, here's another thing. Seems like a lot of people in Columbus drive over to Marysville and make Japanese cars. Hm. I wonder how many American-owned companies employ those in Central Ohio? Other than Ohio State University. :) cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid of what he might grab hold of.

From: [email protected] (Mark E. Kilpela) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Nntp-Posting-Host: techmac10.tech.mtu.edu Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 32 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Russ Crisp) wrote: > > Hello > I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and > I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets > are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, > the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground > wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the > 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground > wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. > > SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the > same electrical circuit if I hooked the neutral[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Da jumper from the neutral > over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets. > What's wrong with my reasoning here? First, it will not pass a National Electrical code inspection. Secondly, The neutral wire is current carrying and the ground wire shouldn't be, or only during a fault condition. The reason the neutral and ground are tied together in the panel is the tranformer on the power pole has a grounded center-tap secondary, with the grounded center-tap the neutral. This gives 120v to neutral(ground) from each side of the transformer and 240v across the transformer. So in effect the neutral and ground should be at the same potential. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark E. Kilpela email [email protected] Michigan Technological University School of Technology ------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 54 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Center for Policy Research) writes: >The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. Another CPR Non-Fact. >The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >strip and seek work in Israel. Actually, they are free to leave and seek work in Egypt, except that the Egyptians don't want them, either. And who are you going to blame if/when Gazans establish their own state of Gaza/Palestine? >While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the >Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help >the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli >Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. Actually, one such Jew who did risk his life to help Gazan Arabs was hacked to death by Palestinean murderers just last week. It seems that the risk has been primarily from the Arabs "in need of help". This is also true for telephone repairmen, traders who seek to buy agricultural products from Gazans, Israeli soldiers who get involved in fighting between feuding Palestinean groups that are as determined to destroy each other as they are to destroy outsiders... >The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is >recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of >justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to >rise up against its tormentors. I just wanna see you try this here in the USA. You know what's going to happen. >As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of >Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are >considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops >and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in >Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for >the Master Race. Okay. That's enough. I'm not going to read this posting of yours any further. >Elias Davidsson Iceland -- Jake Livni [email protected] Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.

From: [email protected] (ALN - Go NY Giants!) Subject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it??? Nntp-Posting-Host: gorgon.cis.yale.edu Organization: Yale University; New Haven, Connecticut USA Lines: 72 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says: > >In a previous article, [email protected] (Alan Scott Olson) wrote: >>Two-part question: >> >>1) What is Windows NT - a 'real' windows OS? >> >>2) This past weekend, a local 'hacker' radio show metioned a new product >> from Microsoft called 'Chicago' if I recall. Anyone know what this is? >> >>That is it - >> >>Thanks a heap. >> >>- Alan > >Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not >run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true >multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 >programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is >primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be >economical for most users. It also runs OS/2 character based apps and POSIX apps. The DOS, 16bit and 32 bit windows apps run in a windows 32 bit subsystem. If you consider the fact that NT has: the Lanman redirectors, built in support for TCP/IP built in support for NETBEUI comes with TCP utils like ping and an ftp client, etc applications like schedule+ and a 32 bit version of msmail the storage argument isnt an issue. > Speaking of overhead, it requires at least a 386 with 16 megs of RAM. >It iwll run with 12, but that's like running OS/2 2.0 with 4 megs. And that's >just to run it. Also, I have heard that the system files take up 30-50 Megs, >and it is recommended that your drive be a half gig! The SKD is distributed >on CD-ROM. > I ran it on a 486 with 8MRAM and it did a ton of disk swapping, with a 19M virtual memory paging file. It functioned but it crawled. (this was the OCT build) I upgraded the machine to 16M and the performance is good, At that point I installed the March Build. Consider they are probably still working on the feature set, and havent done a lot of fine tuning to the code yet. >Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue >multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, >and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably >be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the >main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August. > The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense >competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will >arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the >client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, >partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). >(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't >scorn the concept.) > Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be >released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out >til '96. I have little info on Chicago so I cant make a comparison. Is it in Beta? Is there anyone out there who has tested both and cares to make a comparison? Just my $0.02 /ALN

From: [email protected] (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 50 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger ([email protected]) wrote: >> Khomenei was a jerk and so were plenty of >>British "leaders", so what? >>THE QUR'AN is the basis of judgement. Khomenei was clearly a heretic >>by the standards of the Qur'an. End of story. >Could you be a little more specific as to exactly why Khomanei was a >heretic and a jerk as judged by the Koran. I have no liking for the >guy, but as far as I know he has done nothing contrary to the teachings >of the Koran, or at least so I'm told by several Iranian research >students that I share an office with. >It is easy and convenient for you to denounce him. But I have the >feeling that your views are not as clear cut and widely accepted as you >suggest. I have made this clear elsewhere but will do so again. Khomeini put a price on the head of someone in another country, this makes him a jerk as well as an international outlaw. Khomeini advocates the view that there was a series of twelve Islamic leaders (the Twelve Imams) who are free of error or sin. This makes him a heretic. In the Qur'an Muhammad is chastised for error directly by God; the Qur'an says that Muhammad is the greatest example of proper Islamic behavior; thus no muslim is free from error. >As usual there seems to be almost as many Islamic viewpoints as there >are Muslims. Perhaps it seems so to you, but this is hardly the case. There is widespread agreement about matters of Islam. There certainly are many viewpoints on issues which are not particularly Islamic in and of themselves, but this is so for any large group of people under the same name. >It all comes back to the Koran being so imprecise in its wording. The Qur'an is not particularly imprecise in wording, though it is true that several interpretations are possible in the interpretations of many words. However, as an entire text the Qur'an makes its meanings precise enough for intelligent people free from power lust to come to agreement about them. Gregg

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From: B8HA000 <[email protected]> Subject: Zionism is Racism Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. Steve

From: [email protected] (Rocket) Subject: NHL Playoff leaders as of April 19, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Distribution: rec.sport.hockey Lines: 126 Playoff leaders as of April 19, 1993 Player Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM M.Lemieux PIT 1 2 2 4 0 0 Juneau BOS 1 1 3 4 0 0 Noonan CHI 1 3 0 3 0 0 Mogilny BUF 1 2 1 3 0 0 Neely BOS 1 2 1 3 0 0 Brown STL 1 1 2 3 0 0 Jagr PIT 1 1 2 3 0 0 Oates BOS 1 0 3 3 0 0 Carson LA 1 2 0 2 0 0 Hunter WAS 1 2 0 2 0 0 Stevens NJ 1 2 0 2 0 0 Cullen TOR 1 1 1 2 0 0 Hull STL 1 1 1 2 0 0 Khristich WAS 1 1 1 2 0 0 Linden VAN 1 1 1 2 0 0 Racine DET 1 1 1 2 0 0 Shanahan STL 1 1 1 2 0 0 Sydor LA 1 1 1 2 0 0 Yzerman DET 1 1 1 2 0 0 Bure VAN 1 0 2 2 0 0 Coffey DET 1 0 2 2 0 0 Drake DET 1 0 2 2 0 0 Emerson STL 1 0 2 2 0 0 G.Courtnall VAN 1 0 2 2 0 0 Johansson WAS 1 0 2 2 0 0 Lapointe QUE 1 0 2 2 0 0 Niedermayer NJ 1 0 2 2 0 0 Ramsey PIT 1 0 2 2 0 0 Sandstrom LA 1 0 2 2 0 0 Smehlik BUF 1 0 2 2 0 0 Stevens PIT 1 0 2 2 0 0 Adams VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Barr NJ 1 1 0 1 0 0 Bellows MON 1 1 0 1 0 0 Burr DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Chiasson DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Craven VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Dahlquist CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Dionne MON 1 1 0 1 0 0 Felsner STL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Ferraro NYI 1 1 0 1 0 0 Francis PIT 1 1 0 1 0 0 Gilmour TOR 1 1 0 1 0 0 Hannan BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Heinze BOS 1 1 0 1 0 0 Howe DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Huddy LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 King WIN 1 1 0 1 0 0 LaFontaine BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Lefebvre TOR 1 1 0 1 0 0 McSorley LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 Millen LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 Ronning VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Rucinsky QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sakic QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sheppard DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Steen WIN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Suter CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sweeney BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Tipett PIT 1 1 0 1 0 0 Yawney CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Young QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Barnes WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Borschevsky TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Brunet MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Chelios CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ciccarelli DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Clark TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Desjardins MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Dipietro MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Donnelly LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Driver NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Duchesne QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ellett TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Elynuik WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Flatley NYI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Fleury CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gallant DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gill TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Granato LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gretzky LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Guerin NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Hawerchuk BUF 1 0 1 1 0 0 Holik NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Housley WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Janney STL 1 0 1 1 0 0 K.Brown CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Khmylev BUF 1 0 1 1 0 0 Krygier WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Larmer CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 MacInnis CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Matteau CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 McEachern PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 McLean VAN 1 0 1 1 0 0 McRae STL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Mullen PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Muller MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Murphy PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Murzyn VAN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Otto CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Pearson TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Pivonka WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Primeau DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Probert DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Reichel CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ricci QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Robitaille LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Roenick CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Samuelsson PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Semak NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Shannon WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Shuchuk LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Sundin QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Sutter CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Taylor LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Tocchet PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Vaske NYI 1 0 1 1 0 0 -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Maurice Richard -

From: [email protected] (David Davidian) Subject: Ozal Died! Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 9 It was announced on NPR 4/17/93 10:00 am EDT, that Turkish President Ozal died of a heart attack in Ankara. -- David Davidian [email protected] | "How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992

From: [email protected] (Tom) Subject: Nasa (dis)incentives X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: [email protected] Distribution: sci Lines: 23 [questions and issues WRT congress raised and discussed} Dennis Replies; >Now black when it is white is just white. Except that when black is called >white money is put into the system in a study to find out just when it is >justified to call black, white. It is also apparant that when white is called >black, just the opposite occurs. Now white is a color, but when white is >called black, it calls into question the validity of the color spectrum. ... >It is a given however that NASA nor the military, whose competence in >differentating black from white is well known (remember the black and >white paint on the Saturn V rocket?) That nothing will occur here either. >When black and white are used by congress, who cares nothing for results, >just more money for pork barrel jobs brought about by the black/white >controversy.... Dennis, why must you always see things in black and white terms? :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, [email protected] 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. -------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 23 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael Covington) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Anderson) writes: >>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >>couple become "married" in God's eyes? > >Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony, >nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so. > >Let's distinguish _real_ logistical problems (like being stranded on a >desert island) from _excuses_ (such as waiting for so-and-so's brother >to come back from being in the army so he can be in the ceremony)... I disagree. People marry each other. When they commit fully to each other as life partners, they are married. The ceremony may assist in emphasizing the depth of such a commitment, but is of itself nothing. God knows our hearts. He knows when two have committed themselves to be one, he knows the fears and delusions we have that keep us from fully giving ourselves to another. The way I see it, you'd have to be living together in a marriage for somewhere between 10 and 100 years before anyone knew if a marriage really existed, but God knows. I don't think God keeps a scorebook. Joe Moore

From: [email protected] (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of Fri, 23 Apr 93 09: 06:09 BST Organization: Compaq Computer Corp <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Lines: 14 >>>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:06:09 BST, [email protected] (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) said: GS> How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is GS> able to accept donations to keep craft operational. I seem to remember NASA considering this for some of the Apollo equipment left on the moon, but that they decided against it. Or maybe not... -- Ed McCreary ,__o [email protected] _-\_<, "If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*)

From: [email protected] (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Christ references in OT Organization: Indiana University Lines: 11 Adam, I just finished a study on this, not only looking at the prophecies themselves, but where they were fulfilled. While going only through the OT, I found 508 references. After starting to show their fulfillment, I found out that I had missed some, so needless to say I cannot post them here. However, the study I did I intend to publish (I am in the process of organizing and showing the fulfillments, then I will be ready to write and send it to a publisher). With any luck (and/or free time) I should have it finally done sometime around September (I hope). Joe Fisher

From: [email protected] (Jeff W. Boote) Subject: Re: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE) Organization: NCAR/UCAR Lines: 24 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (S.Ramakrishnan) writes: > > Environment: > mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX) > OS : SunOS 4.1.3 > X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22) > Motif : 1.2.2 > > I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence > of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion > to X server lost): I had this problem as well - It had to do with the CG6 graphics card that comes with the IPX. What fixed the problem for me was to apply the "sunGX.uu" that was part of Patch #7. Patch #1 also used this file so perhaps you didn't apply the one that came with Patch #7. jeff - Jeff W. Boote <[email protected]> ********************************* Scientific Computing Division * There is nothing good or bad * National Center for Atmospheric Research * but thinking makes it so. * Boulder * Hamlet * *********************************

From: [email protected] (Dale Adams) Subject: Re: Q800 Video RAM Questions Distribution: na Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 45 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (joseph.a.brownlee) writes: > Could someone post a *definitive* answer about the VRAM configuration > for the > Q800 (and presumably the C610 and C650 as well). There seems to be a > lot of > confusion about this issue. I'd like to know: > > . What kind of SIMMs are the VRAM SIMMs (i.e. 30-pin, etc.)? There's only one physical size for VRAM SIMMs (unlike DRAM SIMMs which come in many, many sizes and pinouts), although they do come with differing amounts of VRAM on them. The ones you need are 256KB SIMMs, are organized as 128K x 16, and have two 128K x 8 VRAM chips on them. This is the only size which the Quadra and Centris machines can use. > . How many VRAM SIMM slots are there? Two. > . What rules (if any) must be followed in filling the slots (e.g in > pairs, sizes must match, etc.)? Both SIMM slots must be filled; putting a SIMM in only one slot does nothing for you. > . How fast must they be? 80 ns for the Q800 and C650, 100 ns for the C610. > . Is there any other relevant information? There are certain VRAM chip manufacturers whose parts are not compatible with the Quadra and Centris video hardware. Make sure that the source you get them from guarantees compatiblity. In general, if it works in a Q950, it will work in a Q800. > Please don't reply unless you have the *correct* information. Many > thanks in > advance for helping to eliminate some noise from this group. Trust me. ;-) - Dale Adams Apple Computer, Inc.

From: [email protected] (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: Good Jewish Arguments Lines: 90 [email protected] (Kevin W. Finkenbinder) wrote: >[email protected] wrote: >: >:[intro deleted...] >: >: 1) Jesus wasn't really descended from David as the Messiah was supposed >: to have been. Joseph was, but Christians say that Joseph wasn't related to >: Jesus truthfully. > > If you look at the geneology of Christ in Luke 3 and the one in >Matthew 1 you will notice that they trace different lines back to David. >I have been told that one traces Mary's line back to David and the other >traces Joseph's line back to David. (Both of them go beyond David in >history) Acording to some of my Jewish friends, "Jewishness" is passed >to a child by the mother and the legal rights of "Jewishness" are passed >through the father. If it is true that one of these geneologies is >Mary's, then Christ's bloodline is from David through His mother. This >also means that Christ had all of the legal rights of a decendant of >David as according to at least Roman law (and possibly Mosaic law as >well, but I am not sure) Joseph was Christ's LEGAL FATHER. The argument for Luke's genealogy being that of Mary is very weak. According to Luke 3:23 And when he began his ministry, Jesus himself was about thirty years of age, being supposedly the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, Aside from the fact that Mary is not mentioned, there are two possible interpretations: either Joseph was her father or he was her brother. Clearly this is not acceptable. A third would be that Joseph, the son of Eli, was her Father and just happened to have the name as the man to whom she was betrothed. But that would seem to be grasping at straws. The most straightforward interpretation is that Luke had no intention of tracing Mary's genealogy (in which case he would have named her) but that he traces her husband's, from David's son Nathan. The Matthew descendant list most definitely traces down from David's son, Solomon, to Joseph. Matthew 1:16 reads: And to Jacob was born Joseph, the husband of Mary, by whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. There are two apparent problems. The first is, how to reconcile the two paternal genealogies - which diverge with the sons of David, Solomon and Nathan. The second is, why is any genealogy of Joseph relavent at all, if Joseph had nothing to do with it. If Joseph was not Jesus's physical father, then the original poster is quite correct, that claims for Jesus's messianic heritage are not based on truth but only on appearances, whatever Jesus's divine nature was. The second problem is easy, in my mind. We assume that Joseph was not involved in the conception of Jesus in any way. However, a Holy Spirit capable of working a physical conception in Mary is also capable of employing the physical agency of Joseph's seed in this work. In our materialistic times we interpret viginity and its loss solely in terms of a physical act, whereas it is really a matter of purity on a much higher level as well. The important thing is that neither Mary nor Joseph was conscious of any union between them (they had not "known"each other). Thus the first gospel's dedication of half its opening chapter to the genealogy of Joseph is quite relevant to Jesus, the Virgin birth not- withstanding. To the first question there is an answer that creates, to begin with, more problems than it resolves. It is that the two evangelists are relating the births of two entirely different children of two entirely different sets of parents. Except for the names of the parents and the child, and the birthplace in Bethlehem there is no point in common between the two stories. Matthew and Luke converge in their accounts only thirty years later with the Baptism of Jesus in Jordan. Rudolf Steiner offered his explanation of how these accounts begin with two children and then converge with their accounts of the one Jesus of Nazareth. He did not derive his resolution from biblical study or speculation, or from other external documents, and the discussion of "how this could be" might bring us beyond the limits of appropriateness for this newsgroup. In any case, the details are described in Steiner's "The Spiritual Guidance of the Human Being and of Humanity", "The Gospel of St. Luke", and "The Gospel of St. Matthew". Whether or not Rudolf Steiner's methods and explanation are accepted as valid, at least this interpretation resolves the apparent contradictions of the two genealogies while leaving the text intact. As for the passing of one's Jewishness through the mother, this was never an issue with Jesus. No one ever questioned his or Mary's Jewishness. The issue of the genealogies has to do with his paternal line of descent from David, the king. Gerry Palo ([email protected])

From: [email protected] (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: Re: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310? Article-I.D.: usenet.1prg8a$psr Reply-To: [email protected] (Chun-Hung Wan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, [email protected] (JohnC) says: >This model is one of the two low-cost laser printers that Apple just >introduced. I'm thinking of getting one to use at home. Have any of you >had any experience with this printer? Does it have Level-2 PostScript? >If you've bought one, are you happy with it? > >-- >John Cavallino | EMail: [email protected] >University of Chicago Hospitals | [email protected] >Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953 >B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637 > Frankly, I think this model is a screwup. It does not have PostScriptlevel 2, only has 13 fonts, and does not even have fine print or photograde, or grayshare. Even the 300 model has this! I am shocked by the kind of features you get for this printer. I myself was hoping for some decent printer to replace the Personal Laser Writers. -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. "The mind is the forerunner of all states."

From: [email protected] (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Is car saftey important? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 [email protected] (John F Nielsen) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jim Frost) writes: >>[email protected] (Trevor Corkum) writes: >>I figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls aren't common enough >>for me to spend that much extra money for protection, but there are >>lots of low-speed collisions that do worry me. >Get into an 30+ mph accident and you may reconsider. I've been in one >and it is *really* scarey. My life is something I value more >than a car's looks or handeling. Consider it insurance, it may not >happen often but when it does, you'll sure be glad you got a safe car. >Granted the tests aren't perfect but I'd much rather be in a car that >did well in the test than a car that did horribly. You raise a valid point, but again it's a tradeoff -- how much money do you want to spend for that kind of protection? You could buy a Volvo, Saab, or 'Benz and get really good crash protection (and other luxuries) but you'll pay significantly more for it. In my case it's out of the question because *all* of those cars are beyond my budget. Even in high-speed head-on collisions the most beneficial item you can have is a good old 3-point seatbelt. Nowadays, at least in the US, you get an airbag if you get a 3-point belt so (presumably) you get an added safety benefit there as well. That's something I certainly look for and which can be had in inexpensive cars. My $.02, of course. jim frost [email protected]

From: [email protected] (kenneth steven simon) Subject: Re: Powerbook & Duo Batteries Summary: I goofed! Article-I.D.: usenet.C51so0.BDq Distribution: na Organization: Indiana University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu [email protected] (Ronald A. Wong) writes: ]In article <[email protected]>, ][email protected] (kenneth steven simon) wrote: > > The program PowerStrip2.0, which is freeware, has an option called > "Quick Discharge." You can find it on the Mac archives, probably > sumex-aim.stanford.edu or mac.archive.umich.edu. >>Is it a hidden option? I'm using PowerStrip 2.0 (by Mr. Caputo) right now >>and can't find any quick discharge option. It definitely is on >>mac.archive.umich.edu 'cause I submitted it! My apologies! I goofed. The "quick discharge" option is part of the Connectix PowerBook Utilities package (CPU). I installed it the same day as PowerStrip, and didn't pay enough attention. ;) Anyway, the option does exist for those of you who buy CPU. --------------- "Whadda goofball!" "Sheddap. You're not even the real signature file." --------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: [email protected] Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS -----------------------------------------------------------------

From: [email protected] (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA My comments about the Feingold Diet have no relevance to your daughter's purported FrostedFlakes-related seizures. I can't imagine why you included it. -- Steve Dyer [email protected] aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

From: [email protected] (Jiann-ming Su) Subject: Bonilla Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: usa Lines: 2 Bobby Bonilla supposedly use the word 'faggot' when he got mad at that author in the clubhouse. Should he be banned from baseball for a year like Schott?

From: [email protected] (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 25 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Allison) writes: >Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers >each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds >soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is >supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other >techniques. Rutin is a bioflavonoid, compounds found (among other places) in the rinds of citrus fruits. These have been popular, especially in Europe, to treat "capillary fragility", and seemingly in even more extreme cases-- a few months ago, a friend was visiting from Italy, and he said that he'd had hemorrhoids, but his pharmacist friend sold him some pills. Incredulously, I asked to look at them, and sure enough these contained rutin as the active ingredient. I probably destroyed the placebo effect from my skeptical sputtering. I have no idea how he's doing hemorrhoid-wise these days. The studies which attempted to look at the effect of these compounds in human disease and nutrition were never very well controlled, so the reports of positive results with them is mostly anecdotal. This stuff is pretty much non-toxic, and probably inexpensive, so there's little risk of trying it, but I wouldn't expect much of a result. -- Steve Dyer [email protected] aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

From: [email protected] (TV's Big Dealer) Subject: Re: Variants in the NT Text (cont.) Organization: Whatever Lines: 6 I wish to echo what D. Andrew Kille wrote. I know of no published form in English of the D-type recension of "Acts". Of course, Bezae is quite bizarre in the gospels as well. Only D-type texts share Bezae's strange readings. [By the way, "D" stands for Codex Claromontanus elsewhere.] Frank D

From: [email protected] (Steed Bell) Subject: [ NETWORKING ] How to get 10 Ma Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: The MacRocosm BBS, Lawrence, KS Lines: 10 Peter, I'm sure someone out there has a better/easier way to do what you want to do, but I'll tell you how we do it where I work. We have about 15 Macs networked together using Appletalk and PhoneNet connectors. To chat we use a program called 'Broadcast'. With it we can send brief messages to all or selected machines within the network. Hope that helps... Steed

From: [email protected] (Daniel Drucker) Subject: tape down selections Article-I.D.: hal.1r4cej$1jc8 Organization: dis Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu I just had an idea. I'm not sure if its been done and I'm just remembering it unconsiously, but I thought that in dialog boxes and whatever in windowing systems, there should be a way to intuitivly set some things checked or unchecked or filled in a certain way. My idea: tape. You know, like putting a piece of tape over a light switch? Just an idea, if you like it, use it. -- Daniel Drucker N2SXX | [email protected] Forever, forever, my Coda. | [email protected]

Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off From: [email protected] (Mary Shafer) t> <[email protected]><[email protected]> <[email protected]><[email protected]> Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:19:59 GMT Lines: 64 On Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:19:59 GMT, [email protected] (Phil G. Fraering) said: Phil> [email protected] (Mary Shafer) writes: >On 4 Apr 1993 20:31:10 -0400, [email protected] (Pat) said: >Pat> In article <[email protected]> Pat> >[email protected] writes: >Question is can someone give me 10 >examples of direct NASA/Space related >research that helped humanity >in general? It will be interesting to see.. >Pat> TANG :-) Mylar I think. I think they also pushed Hi Tech Pat> >Composites for airframes. Look at Fly by Wire. >Swept wings--if you fly in airliners you've reaped the benefits. Phil> Didn't one of the early jet fighters have these? I also think Phil> the germans did some work on these in WWII. The NACA came up with them before World War II. NASA is directly descended from the NACA, with space added in. You'll notice that I didn't mention sweep wings even though the X-5, tested at what's now Dryden, had them. We did steal that one dirctly from the Germans. The difference is that swept wings don't change their angle of sweep, sweep wings do. Perhaps the similarity of names has caused some confusion? 747s have swept wings, F-111s have sweep wings. >Winglets. Area ruling. Digital fly by wire. Ride smoothing. Phil> A lot of this was also done by the military... After NASA aerodynamicists proposed them and NASA test teams demonstrated them. Richard Whitcomb and R.T. Jones, at Langley Research Center, were giants in the field. Dryden was involved in the flight testing of winglets and area ruling (in the 70s and 50s, respectively). It's true that we used military aircraft as the testbeds (KC-135 and YF-102) but that had more to do with availability and need than with military involvement. The YF-102 was completely ours and the KC-135 was bailed to us. The Air Force, of course, was interested in our results and supportive of our efforts. Dryden flew the first digital fly by wire aircraft in the 70s. No mechnaical or analog backup, to show you how confident we were. General Dynamics decided to make the F-16 flyby-wire when they saw how successful we were. (Mind you, the Avro Arrow and the X-15 were both fly-by-wire aircraft much earlier, but analog.) Phil> Egad! I'm disagreeing with Mary Shafer! The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base can't do. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA [email protected] Of course I don't speak for NASA "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot

Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Jim De Arras) says: > >In article <[email protected]> Jason Kratz >[...] > >> It is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up >> the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on >the >> gang thing. Everyone else seemed to just skim by that part. >> >> Jason > > >I guess that just means "Everyone else" was mistaken? > >Jim > >[email protected] >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >- Actually not Jim. I just said that everyone else seemed to have skimmed by that part and not mentioned it. You can get whatever meaning you want from it. Jason

Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute Distribution: na From: <[email protected]> Subject: Van step... Van Accessory Help Lines: 13 Hello Netters, I would like to find out information about a device that is used on vans and trucks. This device is a step that hooks onto the tire and folds up for storage. I've seen this device on TNN's Shady Tree Mechanic. I would like to know if it is a good product and I would also like the price and address of where I can purchase this product. Thanks, George Chan Email: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Thomas Beagle) Subject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Organization: Datamark International Ltd. Lines: 14 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wim Van Holder) writes: >Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a >Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet >class error or something the like... How are you attempting to do that? Are you using the DIS_PKT9 program? This provides a packet driver on top of the NDIS driver. -- Thomas Beagle | [email protected] Work: 64 4 233 8186 __o Technical Writer | [email protected] Home: 64 4 499 3832 _-\<, Wellington, NZ | Hound for hire. Will work for dog biscuits. (_)/(_)

From: [email protected] (Bob Myers) Subject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 18 > Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology > paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the > TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the > maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th > of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd > or even scan lines) You are correct; the fastest "complete" image that could be presented on TV would be one field, which is 1/60 of a second (approximately). Of course, the phrase "TV screen" is often thrown around in reference to any CRT display, so perhaps this researcher wasn't using normal TV rates. Might even be a vector ("strokewriter") display, in which case the lower limit on image time is anyone's guess (and is probably phosphor-persistence limited). Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not Systems Technology Div. |those of my employer or any other [email protected] Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet.

From: [email protected] (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style "Internal Passport" Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 50 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes: >> (BTW - Which parts should be secure? Criminal >> records, ie convictions, are typically considered public information, >> so should that info be secure? Remember, the population includes >> parents checking prospective childcare worker.) > > Like I said, I'm not sure of the details. But it seems to me that you >could access medical information without giving out a name, or any other >information. Medical info without a name/body attached is completely useless for treatment. >The article I mentioned the the earlier post described a debit >card type transaction in which neither the store nor the BANK, knew who was >withdrawing the money. Thus making it as secure as cash, for some purposes, but far less secure for others. > Parent's checking a babysitter shouldn't need access to the information >stored in the card. Sure they do. The prospective sitter may have a nasty habit of molesting kids three or four months into the job. The references may not have known him long enough or may not have picked up on this yet. Remember, criminal conviction info is public, so if you're going to argue for an ID card, other people are going to have a strong argument that it disclose public info. >things. I think anything that you choose to keep unknown should be. Thus making it useless for negative information. >could have it so that only doctors can access medical information, police >criminal records etc etc. Yeah right. How are you going to keep doctors from spilling the beans? (We already know that you can't keep cops from disclosing info, but at least that info is typically supposed to be public anyway.) > Like I said, it's best if you read the article for yourself. The article discusses technology, not appropriate policy. It also fails to deal with "what happens if the folks with the secrets blab". -andy --

From: [email protected] (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: IBM value/point Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 acifuent ([email protected]) wrote: : Hi! : I will change my 286 soon, and i read something about the ibm ps : value-point... anyone have one? the video card is really a 24 bit card? : how much cost in U.S.? : And the last question... can the ps value point 486 sx 25mhz : upgrade to a 486 dx2 66mhz??? : : Thank you veeery much in advance! : : Alejandro Cifuentes H. : [email protected] These questions can be answered by any dealer of IBM Value Points, but, I will provide some unsolicited advice -- the most amusing kind of advice. Today (Tueday 4-6-93) IBM is supposed to officially announce the introduction of the VESA Local Bus Value Point systems. These systems still have on-board video and disk which are far better than the prior Value Point systems, and you get VESA Local Bus for (future?) upgrades. We are going to buy three of them with 17" monitors (also a newly available), and one of the three will immediately be upgraded to UltraStor 34F caching SCSI disk controller and either the ATI GUP or the Viper graphics board. Do not buy a 486SX sytem. My personal philosophy on upgrade policy is that it is not loss-free. When you earn money you pay taxes, when you spend money you pay taxes. (i.e. they get you coming and going). Translated this means take infrequent but large steps. You are far better off short term AND long term if you avoid the SX models and go straight to the DX or DX-2 models. Gordon

From: [email protected] (Dewey Henize) Subject: Re: sci.skeptic.religion (Was: Why ALT.atheism?) Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: thug.sps.mot.com In article <[email protected]> John A. Johnson <[email protected]> writes: > >Standard groups (sci, soc, talk) must conform to stricter rules when being >established and must show a certain volume of postings or else they will >cease to exist. These groups also reach more sites on USENET than alt >groups. I already posted my opinion to mathew's suggestion, which was that >alt.atheism is on the verge of having too many garbage postings from >fundies, and "elevating" its status to a standard group (and consequently, >the volume of such postings) could make it unreadable. I tend to agree. I came here when it first started and watched it grow from the roots on talk.religion.misc. It seemed to take a while for enough atheists to come forward to get past the "Let's trash Xians" and such. Now there's a stable core, and frankly there's a feeling that this is _our_ group. If we go mainstream, we're going to be in a lot more places. And every fucking fundy loonie freshman will be dumping on us to find Jeesus! and warn us that we're all going to Hell. Want to see what we'll get? Go real alt.fan.brother-jed and imagine that those imbecilic tirades will be here. All the time. Every other post. I'm being selfish. I find I really learn a lot here and the S/N isn't too bad. The Browns and the Boobys are a distraction, but they are few enough that they even bring in some of the leavening needed to offset them. But I greatly fear that mainstreaming would basically put us at the swamping level of the Conners of the world. Regards, Dew -- Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637

From: [email protected] (DIAMOND) Subject: Simple Windows question Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 15 Ok, here's a nice easy question for all you out there. When running DOS 5.0 under Windows 3.0, I lose the ability to do a print-screen. I have no problem with this when I'm running DOS not under Windows. If it's relavant, I'm using 'Quarterdeck 6.0' expanded memory manager for my 386. Please e-mail any responses, since I don't get to read the news too often. Thanks in advance. -- ||||||||||| ||||||||||| _|||||||||||_______________________|||||||||||_ [email protected] -|||||||||||-----------------------|||||||||||- [email protected] ||||||||||| GO HEAVY OR GO HOME |||||||||||

From: [email protected] (Matt Healy) Subject: Re: Illegal Wiretaps (was Nntp-Posting-Host: wardibm2.med.yale.edu Organization: Yale U. - Genetics Lines: 33 In article <[email protected]>, dick.zeitlin%[email protected] (Dick Zeitlin) wrote: > > PK> .Perhaps we need the telephony equivalent of an anonymous remailer for > > .the telephone network? Back in Prohibition days (alcohol, that is) I > > .understand a device called the "cheesebox" was a popular means to thwart > > .the tracing of telephone calls. It connected two phone lines in the back > > .room of an otherwise uninvolved business. It was the conceptual predecesso > > .of today's anonymous email remailer. > > The old "cheesebox" was the pre-Carterphone version of the "call > diverter." After the Carterphone decision there were several vendors > that sold call diverters. I've got a couple in my basement that > were used to redirect my office phone to my home number when I > didn't feel like going into the office. > > It'd be quite easy to generate an "anonymous redialer" version of the > call diverter. > About 18 months ago, I heard a report on NPR about a 900-number "1-900-STO-PPER" or some such, for placing untraceable calls. You call them, and on "bong" tone dial the number you want to call; they told the NPR interviewer that nothing short of a court order (which they'd fight) would make them release their records. Matt Healy "I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab net pretends to work" [email protected]

From: mb4008@cehp11 (Morgan J Bullard) Subject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 47 [email protected] (Aaron Lung) writes: >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Chris Best) writes: >>I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like >>you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway), >>there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is >>ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual >>condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal - >>the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but >>there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it >>takes a while). >> >>If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter, >>why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw >>things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC >>on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when >>you "need" it. >> >Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...I sounds to me, >your UPS takes in AC, rectifies it to DC to charge the batteries, and >then takes the battery DC and chops it to AC again, feeding your >equipment. This approach is the easiest and cleanest way to >switchover from the mains to battery once your power kicks out since, >as you mentioned, nothing will know about what happened down the line. >Another way to do the UPS scheme is to use the mains until you >lose power, and then kick in the battery backup with it's inverter to >replace the lost power. The problem here is the switchover time and >you've got to resync the AC in no time flat. That's a standby unit not a UPS, otherwise there would be no interuption. Many standby units are labled as UPS's though. Morgan Bullard [email protected] or [email protected] >Unfortunately, most everything is built around the assumption that >AC is available, so the UPS guys have to provide and AC output to >be usable...ya sorta have to make it work with what there already. >Similar story with our telephone system. It was first invented back >in the 1800's. We're still using the same damn system (media) as they >did back then. If I have a phone from back then, I can assure you >it'll work on today's phone system. It costs too much to overhaul >everyone to a new system, so they make it work with what is out there. >.

From: [email protected] (David Feustel) Subject: The Real Reason Politicians Want Guns Confiscated Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 12 Politicians want to eliminate private ownership of guns before the general public starts violently resisting the tax increases needed to fund the federal government as an ever higher percentage of tax revenue goes to pay interest on the national debt (currently 57 cents out of every tax dollar collected and rising). -- Dave Feustel N9MYI <[email protected]> I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.

From: [email protected] (eliot) Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon) Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 7 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4 this week's autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue. i wouldn't mind an audi s4 wagon (great stealth value) but you'll never catch me dead in a minivan! eliot

From: [email protected] (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI In-Reply-To: [email protected]'s message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:47 GMT Lines: 30 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wayne Smith) writes: > In article <[email protected]> [email protected]: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes: > > >> but I still want to know why it intrinsically better > >> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when > >> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. > > > >A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data > >from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data > >and moves it to memory. > > IDE also uses DMA techniques. I believe floppy controller also uses DMA, > and most A/D boards also use DMA. DMA is no big deal, and has nothing to > do directly with SCSI. IDE does not do DMA. This is because it's like te PC AT hard disk interface. The controller moves a sector to some buffer memory on the controller card, then the CPU moves the data from the buffer to main memory where it's needed. If IDE doesn't work this way, then it's not compatible. Heck, if IDE used DMA, then you'd hear all kinds of complaints about ISA bus systems with more than 16M RAM not working with their IDE drives. 16M is the DMA addressing limit of the ISA bus, and if IDE did DMA there would be trouble. (BTW, there are DMA-enabling signals in the IDE cable spec, but the last report I heard was that they are never implemented, because it would require a different kind of IDE adapter and different drivers.) -- Richard Krehbiel [email protected] OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...

From: [email protected] (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 24 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (D.S.C. Yap) writes: >[email protected] (Bryan Smale) writes: > >> Team Biggest Biggest >>Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik >>Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce > > ^^^^^^^^ > weren't these two > traded for each > other? Poetic justice. They were, and even if Washington might consider Patty a bust, I'd rework that trade in a minute. Druce has been a complete and utter bust here, only 5 goals. Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: [email protected] FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!

From: [email protected] (Ed Dougherty) Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates Summary: Good Baseball Keywords: mlb, 04.16 Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: gvlf4-a As a Philly fan as as a Penna. baseball fan, I'm anxious to see the Penna. series. Anyone know when it starts and where the first games will be played? This is (I think) always good baseball (to me); and the Pirates are also off to a good start. Ed Doc

From: sp1marse@kristin (Marco Seirio) Subject: Flat globe Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Does anybody have an algorithm for "flattening" out a globe, or any other parametric surface, that is definied parametrically. That is, I would like to take a sheet of paper and a knife and to be able to calculate how I must cut in the paper so I can fold it to a globe (or any other object). Marco Seirio - In real life [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Robert Grant) Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: [email protected] (Robert Grant) NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com Update on location!! Directory should be: public/virtual-worlds!! ^^^^^^ Sorry! :-) Robert. [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Biosphere II Reply-To: [email protected] Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Lines: 10 In <[email protected]> Pat writes: >The Work is privately funded, the DATA belongs to SBV. I don't see >either george or Fred, scoriating IBM research division for >not releasing data. We publish plenty kiddo,you just have to look. ----------------------------------------------------------------- .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one. Greg Nicholls ... [email protected] (business) or [email protected] (private)